Community Connection May 8 2026 - Tina Cosby with Contributing Analyst James Patterson, Jauston JOK Huerta and Foxxy

In this episode of Community Connection, Tina Cosby and Contributing Analyst James Patterson discuss the Pendleton Two case with special guest Jauston "Jok" Huerta, a member of the Pendleton Two Defense Committee, Community Advocate w/New Afrikan Independence Movement. They delve into the story of John Cole and Christopher Trotter, two men who stood up against Ku Klux Klan members in 1985 and were sentenced to over 200 years in prison. The conversation touches on the injustices they faced, the lack of support from the community, and the ongoing efforts to secure their release. The episode also features music from Foxy Cayenne, who is on Jauston Huerta's album "Healium" which is inspired by the Pendleton Two story.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
To be reminded, but it bears repeating. I'll say it anyway.
As for the usual, just think about it. Restaurants, sit
down restaurants are expected to be booked in at capacity
for tomorrow and Sunday. You're not gonna have a problem
driving through McDonald's, Culver's, Wendy's or you're not gonna have
a problem doing that. But the sit down restaurants places

(00:22):
where you can take reservations. I know there's some that
on Mother's Day, Valentine's Day and stuff like that, they
don't even take risky well not at all, they won't
because that that slows down the money flow anyway. So
just be prepared and just think ahead. But they are
expected to be booked in at capacity for tomorrow, especially

(00:43):
and definitely on Sunday. And speaking of Sunday, if you
happen to have your special pew or special spot at church,
you'd better get there early, get there early enough to
claim it, because as we all know, churches are traditionally
packed on Mother's Day as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
What was that they called CME Christmas, Mother's Day.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
And Easter.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
The time, well, a lot of people are dubbed CMEs
because that's the only time you see them.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Many other time then yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
See ceme, I'm a cmeme. Christmas Mother's Day in Easter
is when they are you know, expected to be there.
But anyway, uh so, yeah, I just plan ahead for that,
plan to get to church early, just like on Eastern
Christmas Mother's Day. You got to get there early and
don't be upset and get your jaws all tight a
church of somebody sitting in your spot, in your place.

(01:39):
It was so funny. I was at church last week
and it was there was somebody that was sitting, you know,
kind of like way back in the day that series
Archie All in their family Archie Bunker Kid out of
my chair. Yeah, you'll get out of my spot. And
this one person looked at another and they said, oh
oh and they just had the look and yeah. Another

(02:01):
friend of mine and I were we just we just
cracked up and everybody left. It was all in good day,
you know, it was all in good spirit there. But
and finally, I'd like to wish my daughter a happy birthday.
Her birthday falls exactly on Mother's Day this year, Sunday,
May the tenth. She's an adult now, but I have

(02:21):
to tell you, Eric, it was rough when she was little,
she was younger, you know, her birthday was always either
on the day before, the day of or the day after.
On the day day before or the day of, so
it was either Saturday Monday or Saturday Sunday or Monday. Anyway,
it was always Mother's day. Mother's Day took up all

(02:42):
the air in the room. And much like those whose
birthdays are on holidays like Christmas New Year's Eve, they
have to share, uh, the attention, intend to get older,
and it's especially difficult for a child. I always felt
sorry for the kids, the youngsters whose birthdays fell on Christmas,
because families would tell them, well, here's your Christmas and
birthday and everything. I don't want to take it.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
I've got family members this happens every year and be
scrowing up it did.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, And I've also had family members say, well, what
do you want, because you know, Christmas or your birthday?
Which one? Pick one because I'm not given both? Well
why not they both exist? I don't know, but they
both exist, It's true, so why does it? But anyway,
we again, it's not so easy for a child, probably

(03:28):
not so easy for some adults maybe still to this
day because they don't like to share the holiday, but
that's true. We've always found a work around. Uh and again, U,
she's all grown up now, so thankfully that birthday, Mother's
Day drama days are over, older and over. Yeah. She
In fact, she kind of chuckles about it a little bit,
but she said, she told me yesterday, I'm used to it,

(03:50):
and you know, what do you want? I was like,
oh my, she thought, because I mean she used to
be so consumed with Mother's Day and her birthday. Sometimes
she forget. But so that's all good. On the show
today again our number three one seven four eight zero
thirteen ten. Three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten,
we have an update for you on the case of

(04:12):
the Pendleton two. In the case of the Pendleton two,
a case you've been hearing about right here on Community
Connection over the past few years. It's a case brought
to our attention largely due to the efforts of contributing
analyst James Patterson. James joins us now for this Friday
on Community Connection. James, welcome back.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Oh, thank you, Tina. Glad to be here today. Yeah, absolutely,
two days after I was here. I'm glad to be back.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
So the weather, the weather report, We'll just get straight.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
To that weather well yeah yeah, so yeah, wait for
Eric to play Astle Skinger there. But it's not a
bad forecast overall. We should see a fairly warn day
today with some chance, I think pretty favorable of scattered

(05:07):
showers pushing through the area late this afternoon and into
the evening. I'm looking at the ACI Weather Radar radar
picture right here on my screen, and it's already invaded

(05:29):
the border between Indiana and Illinois going east, so it's
coming from the west. So it looks like we'll get
some scattered you know. I'm not saying that everybody will
get it, but there's a good chance that we'll have
rain later today. I was just looking outside. We expect

(05:49):
a mixture of clouds and sun this afternoon, with of
course the rain coming in the clouds will eventually dominate
Tina as the precipitation reaches central Indiana. The rain drop
should be with us for the afternoon and evening. So
if you've got things you want to do this evening outside,

(06:13):
I would, you know, definitely plan for the rain coming down.
It was sixty four degrees as we come on the
air today and temperature should slide into the upper sixties.
Now that all depends. If the clouds really really push
in and you know, are dominating, then we may not

(06:37):
make it up to sixty seven or sixty eight, which
is where I think it should go. So we should
see rain later today with somewhat milder temperatures, and that
rain will get out here hopefully by tomorrow, which should
be a much much better day, sunnier and warmer.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Hey, James, can we do something for a moment? Sure,
just and we wish Tina a happy Mother's day.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yank you mother, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, it's it's always a happy one when I'm I'm
just here, so I appreciate it. Thank you all so much.
That's very Yeah, Oh it was well, I have to
give her around, give her a birthday. Yeah, the election
is eric.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
She is making me older.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
That's a good way to put it. Indeed, But you know,
I was just going to say that Mother's Day is
kind of you know, it's not you know, you don't
get it off. It's not like quote official official holiday,
but it is certainly uh honored and respected and celebrated

(07:56):
by just about everybody in this nation, and and and
deservingly so, because the mothers are really the lunchpin of
the family in my view, and they deserve to be honored.
They go above and beyond so that that you know,

(08:18):
celebratory sound that Eric played is less than appropriate for
what they do. It is.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yes, well, indeed, thank you so much, and James and Eric,
I'm sure I want to wish a happy Mother's Day
to all of the mothers and mother type figures in
your lives, because you know, as I say, anyone and
everyone that has stood in the gap. It doesn't necessarily
have to be just moms, and I don't I don't
like to leave them out either. But you know, certainly

(08:47):
your wives, your daughters, you know all. You know, everybody's
done something that's true worthy of Forget that an a cousin,
cousin uncle. You know sometimes uncles are down there right there,
all of them. So so you both are not going
to forget your your wife. Oh no, no, no, I

(09:12):
know y'all like to go back to the house, so I'm.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Sure I forget we like we like to sleep inside.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
All of a sudden the key doesn't work again.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Changed changed, indeed, So but yeah, so thank you all
so much for that. That's very kind and where I'm
really looking forward. And James can't thank you enough for
bringing the case of the penalty too to the show
because I had not you know, I had not heard
about it and other folks in the community. I think

(09:50):
the cause is I think it's the word is spreading.
The efforts continue. I think they're intensively. Anyway, I'm looking
forward to to having Jock and and a special guest
that he's bringing along, pardon Foxy, Foxy. Yeah, Jack and
Foxy his special guest, Foxy. I'm looking forward to them
both being here and it'll you know, and getting an

(10:14):
update and some other exciting news. So we're looking forward
to that.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Yeah, you know. And Dina, we cannot I just can't.
I can't rest. I mean, we cannot sleep as long
as these two men are incarcerated for basically standing up
for somebody else who was being abused by prison guards.
And no one was hurt, no one was hospitalized, you know,

(10:40):
no one certainly was killed, and then they're getting combined
two hundred years for standing up and the guards, I mean,
let's just put it out there, the white racist guards
who call themselves racist in their actions and deeds, and
and you know, literally nothing happened to them at all.

(11:06):
So I just can't rest when that much abuse, when
especially what we're seeing today trying to turn the clock
back to you know, a Jim Crow giving us no rights,
no votes, nothing, want to take everything from us that
we have fought so hard for. So these two men

(11:27):
deserve And you know, we'll tell you what's I'll leave it,
you know, as sort of a surprise, what's coming up
with them, But at least there's an opportunity, and we
you know, we want to tell people about that and
how they can help.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, and that's about fifteen twenty minutes away from now,
so please stay tuned for that update. Let's go, Let's
go back to the phone lines. Jeff, go ahead. How
are you.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
Happy Friday? Everybody?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Happy Friday? Happy Friday? Kah, it's a good one.

Speaker 6 (11:59):
Arrogant change the happy happy mother.

Speaker 7 (12:02):
They tina to my mother, a happy.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
Heavily mother's day and day doesn't know about we don't
think about you so and uh a special affair well
to my little buddy Coco. She's no alonger with us,
she's a shoot see and uh let me see and
she left us yesterday. So I'm a little bit bummed up,
but I'm okay, I will be fine, but I can

(12:26):
miss my little buddy.

Speaker 8 (12:27):
So anyway, but Tina and uh, you know and things.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
The mother is out there, Happy Mother's Day.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
But now I want to address your show yesterday.

Speaker 8 (12:38):
And uh, you know, Tina all Dia is a conserant
professional you.

Speaker 6 (12:42):
James and Eric, but it isn't regards to your guest yesterday,
Aftual and uh you know, yeah, after anybody knows you're smart,
you're brilliant, you got to the statistics. But at the
same time you're also a bit of a legend in
your own mind.

Speaker 7 (12:58):
The reason I bring that up because I was wondering
I even mentioned this to Eric yesterday is just the
Tina Gazi show or just after a Kim Shabas show,
And I don't know, you know, I thought he was
just very disrespectful, condescending. And you know, mister Russell one
of the most.

Speaker 8 (13:17):
Reasonable, level headed people in the world and he doesn't.

Speaker 7 (13:20):
Need me to speak up for him. But the way Abdul.

Speaker 9 (13:23):
Addressed him was just totally out of life, okay. And
I heard on those white guys stations, you don't talk
to those white guys. When he talked to your your
viewers and your listener set him. So you know that
that just really rough me the wrong way. I remember
having him from Amys Brown Day that Amy's used to
eat his lunch and he used to call me name

(13:45):
brother a.

Speaker 8 (13:46):
Most call him a bunch of names all the time.

Speaker 9 (13:48):
But you know, I view you're smart, but like I said,
you're a bit of a narciss statement a legend in
your own mind. And uh, and I just thought the
way he talked to mister Russell, I just they just
wrought me the wrong Like I said, mister Russell would
need me to speak up for and so you know,
he's a gentleman and a decent man.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
And the way I do was addressing everybody. You know,
he can go play with the alligators for all I care.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Well, can you refresh my memory because I I'm not
sure I heard did you Eric, did you hear anything?
I'm not quite sure I didn't catch it.

Speaker 9 (14:23):
I apologize, Yeah, well he said something about voting or something.
I agree that he told, uh, mister Russell to the
effect that you know what your factor just hang up
and call them to other time. I'm like, wait a minute,
he said to me. He goes, yeah, that was my
phone clicking because he when I get those text messis
there was a dollar sign. That's part of my job,

(14:43):
you know, when christ looking forward and GM these parts. Hey,
I got to answer that, okay, and uh, you know,
it was just mister was asked a legitimate question. Heyte
was just very dismissive.

Speaker 10 (14:57):
I mean, excuse me, you.

Speaker 7 (14:58):
Have he was very dismissive, and you know, hold down
to the man.

Speaker 8 (15:02):
And you know, you being a build a bully, you
know you're not bully material truck.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
You're not.

Speaker 8 (15:09):
You know you're not.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
I'm gonna have to pay closer attention because you know
the persona, his persona is that and I don't I
have not listened to him talked to callers on his
show on w i b C on Saturday afternoons. I
have to admit, I.

Speaker 8 (15:25):
Don't, you know, get your backs trade or something. It
was just out of line, you know, and mister exactly
what it was.

Speaker 9 (15:35):
But well, okay, you know, yeah, I remember had to
put him in check a few times because of that
was the.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
That was the the interest that a lot of folks,
and that's why they did a show together briefly because
you know, point counterpoints. So yeah, that was that was
the whole thing, was one all the time. Well there
you go, there you go.

Speaker 7 (16:01):
You know, I don't I don't have no political views.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
But it was just this, you know, it's just kind
of okay, I'll go back and listen to it, Jeff,
I'll go back and listen to it.

Speaker 8 (16:16):
Okay, Yeah, I think there was an audio trouble there
to catch a part.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
But yeah, and believe you me, there were some There
was a long stretch that no one and thank you,
thank you, Jeff. I appreciate a long stretch where the
listeners didn't know. But I couldn't hear anything. I couldn't
hear any on air audio through my headsets, remember Eric,
and the note is still right here on our chat.
And it went on for for quite a while, and

(16:39):
I think Eric talked well. So I was probably distracted
maybe during that time, because it is distracting, yeah, because
you have to have the headphones, yeah you do, but
mine were working and then you were coming in uh
to the studio to bring me another set. And in
the meantime in between that, either Eric was still talking,

(17:00):
or Abdual kept talking because he saw what was going on.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
He was still talking, Yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
He was still talking and I couldn't. So maybe that
was one of the periods when that happened. Robert, go ahead,
how are you.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
I'm doing fid heavy Mother's Day t all the mothers
be in the world.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Well, thank you, happy mother. Yeah we Happy Mother's Day
to all the mothers out there. I always say.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yes, every Mother's day in life without the only way
you can have life. It's still a woman every mother'sday.
Dog the women. In a way being a man, there's
no more fun than having women out there. I love him. Okay,

(17:45):
it's a bad boy, all them, but I love him.
I had but I called to say that you did
a spectacular job. Ah in this uh political Michael. He
was very particulate. There a lot of names stone at

(18:05):
you and a lot of issues done at you, and
you just staffed a good job.

Speaker 11 (18:12):
And that's what thank you.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
That's what I didn't. You know, I didn't get it
all exactly right every time, but I corrected as best
I could. So there's a lot to it. Yeah, there's
a lot to it.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
So the thing man is all those names. You know
what I'm saying. But you handled it. How about a book?
A book? What was it? It was like black soldiers
and the name. I opened the book and it wasn't
nothing but a bunch of names. And I'm not a

(18:45):
good reading like that. And I put that book. I
bought that book and put it on the ship because
I couldn't hand it to be names and I couldn't.
I'm not a real fast reader anyway. But you and
the y'all handled that very well because they're on the
name and the locations.

Speaker 12 (19:08):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Like I said, I work again for Washington, and it
was it was just terrible how they're how political. Some
people don't know what poplics is. They just don't know.
They shot up by office the pot. They just don't know.

(19:33):
You know, this is a dirty business. Uh, And it's
all about business to it.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, but uh it's not easy. No, I can't. I mean,
I have to admire politicians because there's a whole there's
a whole lot to it. There's a lot to it,
awful lot to it.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
I appreciate you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Enjoy
you too, thank you. Indeed, so yeah and speaking of politics,
it's we got how much time now, Eric and James?
How many months until November to start getting folks?

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Six months?

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Is six months, James?

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Or is it?

Speaker 5 (20:20):
Yeah, it'll be it's just over six months. Yeah. Wait
a minute. This is the fifth we go the eleventh,
so yeah, it's just right around it'll be. Let's see
in June it would be exactly five months to elections.
So it's under six months now, it's under six.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Months, less than six months.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
Yeah, yeah, I like this one. I like this one sign.
I was, you know, I was looking at the news
broadcasts and uh, one report had you know, they were
talking about the protesters. You guys, they're talking about the protesters,
and you know there's constant protesters. There's constant protests against
this government. And one sign I like to read the signs.

(21:03):
That one sign intrigued me. It said November is coming.
Three words November is coming, so it's counting down. And
another thing is they're not the Congress is not going
to be in session too many more days. I got
a little chart that shows how many days are going
to be in session. I mean out of all the

(21:26):
you know days in that in that five months coming
up on when we get to to June third, it'll
be exactly five months, I think, yeah, June third, it'll
be five months. And out of all of that, you guys,
they'll be in session probably less than forty five days.

(21:48):
That much time, No, but they've taken that time off
based on their calendar. And you know, they get paid
really well, uh to do that job, and so they
just you know, they they've got you know, before even
the summer break starts August in the first of August,

(22:09):
sometimes a whole little longer, but they are off the
whole month until after Labor Day, sometime after Labor Day,
and then you're into the election season and nothing gets passed,
nothing gets done. But before then they've got they've got
let me see, they've got Memorial Day holiday, They've got Juneteenth,
they've got July, uh, the fourth of July, I mean,

(22:30):
and then there's just there's just I mean when they're
in session. I saw the calendar, it's like two or
three days at a time, man, I mean, it's just nothing.
You know, they'll come back to pass what they want
to pass, like they're going to try to get this
this this bill through to fun ice through uh, this

(22:51):
process called reconciliation. You know, they'll come back for that
for two or threes, then they're off again. So it's
it's coming. It's coming, and that's what people should really be.
And by the way, Teama, you talked about the vote
not good enough. I think it was fifteen point eight
percent in the primary. But you know what, that's progress.

(23:13):
I'll take it. I'll take it because usually people less
than to the Indiana, which is not good at all.
But to double that, I'll take it. You know, people
are engaged and we need to do more. There was
a lady who came by my home to she does
my wife's hair and she cuts my hair. And she

(23:35):
was just so busy because she's trying to do something
because she's going on a trip. She was just so busy.
I said, have you voted yet? This was this was
on election day and she said no, no, what time
is it? I said, you got till six o'clock? It
was like four something. She's like, I can get over there,
I can get over there. But I don't even know
if she made it because she had one appointment after
the other. You see, we have that's the primary, but

(23:56):
we can't do that when the general election comes, we
need all hands on deck. We need everybody.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, I don't I don't know how to stress that anymore.
It made perfect sense, It made perfect and I just
have to refuel. That's all. That's all we just had.
We all have to refuel because you know, we put
you know, everything into getting the primary and and yes,
participation was up, but and that's and I was one

(24:24):
of the first to say, I'll take that. That's a victory.
That's a victory. But we cannot sit back and think
that that's okay, we've arrived and that's it, because it's
still it's still awful numbers. I mean when you consider,
you know, fifteen percent showed up, well, eighty five percent
stay don't so, I mean, there's there's a lot of
ways you can look at it. Now, did fifteen percent

(24:45):
beat eight point six four percent? Absolutely, and positively, But
we still have a long way to go, and and
I you know, I guess we can get our numbers
for what is it, midterm general elections? Uh, you know
we lets I'm going to dig some of those up
and see what numbers we have to beat, what we
have to top, uh, in order to make an impact.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
It would be nice to know just from those people
who stayed home, why why they didn't you know, why
they didn't both.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, yeah, just find out, Like.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
I would just give you an example, I do think,
but there are chances before then, and so we can't
just wait till the last minute because we might not
be able to do it. Then anything can happen. It
was raining that day, you know, at least, you know,
light rain on and off all day, and that's always
going to depress the turnout. But it shouldn't. It shouldn't
deter us from doing what we need to do. No,

(25:41):
because really the attacks are against this now, really they are.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
It may be a little bit more too. Of what
Representative Carson said early on in the you know, early
on this year, is that and maybe he said it
late last year. Anyway, he said it, we haven't felt
enough pain yet because a lot of the civil rights
movement and when and when voting was at its highest,
was the result of you know, we were we felt

(26:07):
the paint. You know, we were reacting to the absolute
onslaught of sustained painful existence that we no longer were
going to tolerate.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
And so, you know, I.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Agree with that.

Speaker 8 (26:24):
I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
I hope we don't get there.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Definitely.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
People came out to those rallies and stuff and marched
and stuff because they couldn't take it anymore.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, exactly, oh, exactly, that's true. It was just unsustained.
It was unbearable. It was unbearable. But do we have
to get there again? Do we have to go to
unbearable again?

Speaker 5 (26:47):
To gas? Gas? And they said this morning it's over
six dollars a gallon in California.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
I don't know what, you know, Well, I had to
pay the last time I went, which was day before yesterday,
it was five dollars and nine sense.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
It's still five something five and that was they haven't
lowered it from his little Uh.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
But everything is wonderful, Everything is beautiful, it's great. It's
never been better. This is the best in the history
of humankind. Earth has never seen anything any better than this.
So it's all good. Yeah, it's lovely, it's great. It's
you know, people are just being negative and that's not real.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
And you know, so those glasses are super dark.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Then now join me in my reality because I don't
exist in yours, So I guess I don't know.

Speaker 13 (27:34):
But.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
Because we care about the people. But then everything in
individual lives are looking at well. I'm good, yeah, but
when you start feeling that pain, indeed you will do
something to help yourself.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Pendleton too, the latest and some more coming up right
after this. Let's take a quick break.

Speaker 14 (28:03):
Let's get back to the conversation. It's Community Connection with
Tina Cosby, brought to you by Child Advocates, a champion
for justice, opportunity and well being for children on Praise
Am thirteen ten ninety five point one FM.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
And we're back with Community Connection. About to start our
segment regarding the Penulton two and the latest and the updates.
But before we get to that, have a very quick
call to get to that. We didn't we weren't able
to squeeze in before we went to break the last time.
Kim Boyd, Kim, how are you hey?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Good?

Speaker 15 (28:38):
And James how are you both good?

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Good?

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Happy Mother's Day to you and the same to you.
My sister, Thank you, my sister, I appreciate thank you.

Speaker 15 (28:48):
I just wanted to say I tried to get in
yesterday when a duel was on m but I wanted
to ask the question and more I'm talking about the
processes of hot these seeing Katha and like with Bobby Kern.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
You know, yes, yes, yes, that was puzzling to me.

Speaker 15 (29:05):
Yes, And so you know, I've had an initial conversation
with Carlo Lopez, you know about these things that occurring
whether people vote either you know, out of defiance to
the system in his memory or whatever. But a question
I had posed to Mirror Indy Arianna Beaunty about a

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month or so ago. I have a concern also, and
this goes to the processes and why I was trying
to get in on that duel yesterday. How is and
what are the qualifiers for a Secretary of State, which
is like the third most important position in the state
of Indiana that Ballard is running as an independent when

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he's a registered Republican. And so I'm looking at the
processes in the criteria again as to who are looking
at these processes as opposed to people just going to
a ballot and just arbitrarily picking out what's presented in
front of them without making an informed and acknowledgeable decision.

(30:14):
It's not to being former mayor ballot in any ways
to understand the process, because I'm sure it is initial
money is coming from the Republican Party, you know.

Speaker 8 (30:26):
Because Diego morality has had some issues. Again, I'm looking.

Speaker 15 (30:32):
At the processes because just like with the PCs through
the Democratic Party, that were all you know, just allowed
because they hadn't voted in the previous primary. Right, So
what are those processes that dictate that a man who
was a Republican elected and won in office? What are

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those processes looking like to qualify an individual to run
under a different party. So that was my question.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Well, I I certainly am going to have to get
an answer for you because I don't know. I know
that certain people leave parties and go to either other
parties or declare themselves independent. I don't know what that
process entails, and I don't know how that process impacts
how you run for office. So but I'd be happy
to research it for you and find a you know,

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talk to the name James, Eric, Do either of you
know the answer to Kim's question?

Speaker 5 (31:29):
James?

Speaker 1 (31:29):
You do, James?

Speaker 2 (31:30):
You know, James is still there? James, Okay, he's still connected?

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Is he still connected?

Speaker 15 (31:38):
And again, it's just.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
So that voters could be Kim, Yeah, Kim, I just
look it up while you're I don't know. I'm like
Tina and Eric, but it says here. I just look
it up. How to run as an independent Indiana U.
Let's see, all Indiana candidates including independence be a US citizen,

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be at least a minimum age of office twenty one
for House, twenty five for Senate, thirty for governor or
lieutenant governor. Have lived in Indiana for the required period
before the election. So you got to do the same
thing that a Republican or Democrat does. Let's see, Indiana
does not have a right in only option for most offices.

(32:23):
You must file a declaration of candidacy with the appropriate
election authority state federal offices. You know, it just says
I guess you can just let's see ballot access for independence.
Indiana uses a semi open primary system. Independents can run
in primaries and general elections, but they must meet the

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two and a half percent threshold for state federal offices
to appear on the general ballot.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
So let's see, for example, it's a petition.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
And honest, meaning not a Republican or Democrats must collect
two percent of the total volts cast for the Secretary
of State in the district in the last election. So
there's your answer, Kim. They've got to get uh.

Speaker 15 (33:11):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
They must collect two percent of the vote of the
total volts cast for Secretary of State in the district
in the last election. So I'm not sure how he qualifies.
He didn't run in the last election. But what I'm
thinking of is what's he on the ballot in the primary?

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I don't believe, so I don't think.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
So, Yeah, how is it signatures? Let's see must.

Speaker 15 (33:47):
I for researching that?

Speaker 5 (33:49):
Let's see?

Speaker 15 (33:50):
This is where as they say, the devils in the details. Yeah,
and people need to make informed decisions, not the name recognition,
but informed decisions of who they actually are voting for
and that they candidate is in good standing.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
They can make those informed decisions in explaining why they
didn't vote. Think about it. You ask somebody why didn't
you vote? Well, I looked it up and they're not
so and so on such and such. An I don't
like this, and I don't like that as opposed to
finding out if you're planning to vote. Uh, this is
what I want. And you know a lot of times
is whoever's at the top? I mean, because aren't the
ballot stacked alphabetically uh. And so if your name starts

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with the W and somebody else's name it starts with
an A or a B. You got to fight that
that aspect of it too. But people research and learn
what they want to learn, and explain and rationalize what
they want to explain and.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
Rast and it's confusing. Like y'all said, it's confusing. I'm
your speakeringess out now. I think what they got to
collect is this is my thoughts now of the two
percent signatures of the total votes cast for Secretary of
State in the district in the last election. So they
got to get signatures to get on the ballots. That's

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what I'm thinking of the total votes cast. And these
are people who cast votes.

Speaker 15 (35:13):
Well, we already know about the climates of kind of
redistrict and that the across the United States is being
set up, you know, for Republican favor and Democrats decline.
There was you know, a thing on Virginia.

Speaker 8 (35:32):
I think it was, you know that the.

Speaker 15 (35:34):
Court came in you know, returned that. Okay, So for
our state, we need to fully understand because.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
A lot of people do vote off.

Speaker 15 (35:44):
Of immerse emotional or personal endeavors and relations with a
candidate that's running, and there's nothing wrong with that, but
for the dilemmas that we are in in our community,
that housing, that's you know, that's our youth, that's the crime.

Speaker 9 (36:04):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (36:04):
We need qualified candidates that have an agenda. Like Linda
Humley is having something tonight at five o'clock. Okay, well,
I want to know who she is. I want to
hear what she's got to say to Garner. Not just
my vote, but anybody's vote. People need to make him
full decisions. And so that's why I bring the questions

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as a negative, because he seems were kicked out of
the Democratic Party because they couldn't they hadn't voted into
May primiery. So again, learning these processes and understanding these processes, we.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Got to do that. And I thank you all right,
thank you, Kim, and very good, very good advice, very
good information. And I do want to research that a
little further, as I'm sure you do as well, James.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
So yeah, I think I got it here. Another order
to run, I'll say real quick, he has to get
two percent of the total vot casts or signature in stead.
But he didn't run last time, so he has to
get signatures that work here, because it says for local offices,
petitions require very some some require a set number of

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signatures from registers.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
So he had to get those signatures. He had to
get them. Yeah, we're gonna yeah, I'll see if I can. Yeah, Okay,
well there it is all right. As I was saying
at the top of the show, if you've been following
Community Connection over the years, thanks to you, James Patterson,
as we said earlier, for bringing it to our attention.
You no doubt heard the story of the Pendleton too,

(37:39):
a story that started with the nineteen eighty five prison
uprising at what is now called the Pendleton Reformatory and
involves the excessive I think excessive is an understatement, the
excessive sentences given to inmates John Cole and Christopher Potter
for their roles in the riots back then. Now, since then,
there has been an ongoing effort to push for their

(38:02):
release and for more fairer treatment, and effort led by
Jostin Jacques Wertha. That would be me, that would be you.
He's here in the studio with us today, welcome back,
and he has brought a guest with him. We know
her as boxing is that it? Yeah, Okay, welcome, welcome, welcome,
thank you, thank you so so, Jock, we've talked about

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this and again James is on the line, and James
brought it to our attention. But for those who may
not have heard or may have missed a show somewhere
along the way, can you give us the background and
the backdrop to what we're talking about.

Speaker 16 (38:40):
Okay, the backdrop goes as as this. We have John
Cole and Christopher Trotter back in nineteen eighty five. Yeah,
that year, nineteen eighty five, they were scheduled close to
be released. One had within ninety days of that day
to be released and the other, John Cole, had less

(39:01):
than two years to be released. But they had guards
who were working at that time, who were car carrying
members of the Ku Klux Klan. They had decided that
they were going to target a black inmate. They felt
like he was inspiring too many black people and making
them hold their heads up while they were inside, so

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they wanted to get the problem at the head, in
their opinion, they made plans to hurt this brother. And
then these two gentlemen, John Cole and Christopher Trotter, who
were incarcerated at that time they stood up against those guards,
fought against them, only enough effort to keep that man
alive and stop them from attacking. For that, the state

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of Indiana gave them over two hundred years and they're
still there to this day. You know, it's a very
terrible injustice that has taken place. And now how do
you be in for over forty years with no loss
of life? You know that that's something that really needs
to be addressed. And when we have the Pendleton two

(40:09):
Defense Committee, the Pendleton two Defense Committee, which you can
access if you go to Pendleton two dot com and
all the information is there about this case. A documentary
that myself and two Black who was another member of
the Defense Committee directed and put this documentary together with
these brothers telling their own story in their own words

(40:31):
exactly what has happened to them.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Can I ask you a quick question, please do what
happened to the man that they were protecting or looking
to defense?

Speaker 16 (40:39):
You know, he had passed away unfortunately, Yeah, he passed
away back at the height of COVID in prison.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, he was still locked up. He was still so
did he get additional time put on.

Speaker 16 (40:54):
His No he no, he didn't get additional time for
that situation. But he had a very lengthy sentence to
do as well, but never got to carry it out.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (41:08):
Yeah, Locmar was his name, Lincoln Love, Yeah, Locmar. Yeah,
very very inspirational brother.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
Yeah, be a jailhouse lawyer, got a lot of prisoners
off early, absolutely legal help.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Absolutely he was. He made himself.

Speaker 16 (41:30):
A strong advocate behind the walls and helped a lot
of people, a lot of men who were suffering at
that time going through that type of brutality. Him finding
the injustices of their cases, and one after the other,
he was getting brothers back on the street, you know,
in early earlier, finishing their sentences and a lot of
times getting vacated.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
So, yeah, he was a problem for them.

Speaker 16 (41:52):
So they wanted to eliminate him, and they felt like
they can do it unjustly with the with the cell
group that they had within the penitentiary, the officers there
who were the car care members of the Klan, and yeah,
they they said that they were going to target him,
but these two brothers said that that was not going
to happen while they were there.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
So you say, Colon Trotter, are okay, They're doing all right?
I mean, are they in good health?

Speaker 2 (42:17):
And see, that's that's the thing.

Speaker 16 (42:19):
Now, I'm going to tell you I've been part of
the Defense Committee for about three years now, and in
that time I have you know, honestly, I've seen just
the not so vigorous communication that I used to have
h with with with these brothers early on, you know,

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so you can even hear that their health isn't what
it was just a few years ago. And also they
are both going to the hospital for you know, new
different medical reasons that are you know, on the table.
So now it becomes even more pressing to carry something
out and and and to push the effort to allow

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these brothers.

Speaker 10 (43:02):
To come home.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
How old are each.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Older?

Speaker 16 (43:06):
Each sixty six John Cole and sixty four Christopher Trotter,
you know, and they were in their mid twenties when
this happened. There were young men who stood up to
do the right thing in the moment. You know, they
knew it would be consequences because they knew the system
that they were up against, but they still did not
allow the system to kill a black man just for

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that purpose, you know. So I think they deserved the
same type of treatment from us, And I think that
we should have the same mindset of saying that we're
not going to allow the system to sacrifice these two
men when all they did was stand up for us.
They would have done that for me, you know. Yeah,
so it's very important that we expressed that, but we

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have to do it as a community.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Was there ever an explanation made for the excess and
what statute was this sentencing taken from? In excess of
two hundred years or what have you mean?

Speaker 15 (44:04):
What?

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Because all sentencing has guidelines. Yeah, so what was that
taken from?

Speaker 16 (44:11):
Well, okay, so you have to understand that as these
officers came with that malicious intent to do extreme harm,
they came with these big sticks and these guns with
these rubber bullets, and they had like these big, like
three to four foot sticks that they would use solid
to bash and beat people over the head. Actually assaulted

(44:33):
Lincoln Love over his head to where blood was just
leaking everywhere. That's what really inspired this situation because they
thought they had already killed them, you know, so they
had to act. But the statutes they went from is
when they had those sticks, you know, the men who
were defending him they had weapons as well, so they

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used those weapons against the weapons that were presented to them.
They fought, but just enough to win the moment and
to keep everybody at bay. They did not take life
from anyone, and they maintain life. They made sure nobody
else got hurt.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
You know.

Speaker 16 (45:12):
So then the court's looking at all that and saying
to themselves, hey, we really need to charge them individually
from every punch.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Every.

Speaker 16 (45:23):
Action, and charge them all like with eight attempted murders,
you know, when no one had lost life. And I
say that again over forty years and not one life
was lost, nothing but hurt, pride and hurt feelings back
in nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
So how long has the organization that you had, the
Pendleton two Defense Committee. How long has the Pendleton two
Defense Committee been at this.

Speaker 16 (45:47):
Well, it's about five years now, and just a constant
push to get this information now, you know, because and
then to take that information that people receive and then
accumulate a group, a collective that can move together, maintain that.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Group and allow other people to join it as well.

Speaker 16 (46:09):
It's a strong push that needs to be done over
and over and over again.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
You know.

Speaker 16 (46:16):
So sometimes people lose the momentum or or people get
distracted with other things. But right now, more than ever,
is the time for people to come together at this
moment because these brothers are in court right now.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I was going to say, yeah, yeah, the latest thing.

Speaker 16 (46:32):
Yeah, that's that's one of the probably the biggest update.
These brothers are in court right now, and all they're
trying to apply for is a sentence modification. A sentence
modification means, hey you, this is the this is the
sentence that you gave me. But for these reasons, can
this be Can this sentence be changed? Can it be
modified to something else for these reasons. So we have

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a very good position here, and the reason is because
to get this out and to put that out, yeah,
the oh, because all we're asking for is for them
to change the sentence from consecutive to concurrent.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
That's it.

Speaker 16 (47:19):
So they were given twenty years for each person individually
until it came to an astronomical figure, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Over two hundred years for both of them combined.

Speaker 16 (47:29):
All we're asking is that those consecutive sentences be combined
into a concurrent sentence.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
That's it.

Speaker 16 (47:36):
No numbers have to change, no anything, No guilty verdicts
have to change. Just run the sentence concurrent that would
allow these men to be released, come home surrounded by
the people that love them, honor them, surrounded by the
few family members that they actually have left, who have
been there since they won and always supported U. It's
just an important time for people to come together and

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to push this because without our community push, it won't happen.
We need these people adadmit about seeing these men not
ever see the other side of the fence, all because
they were trying to take care of us and and
and protect us from harm.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
They do their lives in the way, you know, and.

Speaker 16 (48:20):
Even to this day they tell me I would do
it all over again because we saved his life that day,
you know, we saved his life that day.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, So it's it's it's this is real things, this
is real people. When is the court day, Well, the.

Speaker 16 (48:34):
Court day hasn't been established yet, you know, so that's why.
But but it is up and coming.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Uh.

Speaker 16 (48:40):
They representing his representation is putting this stuff together to uh,
to make that happen kind of soon. So that's why
it's kind of urgent right now to get people to
go to Pendleton too. The word Pendleton, the number two
dot com on there.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
There is a.

Speaker 16 (48:58):
A statement saying, you know, from the public that they
can sign to say that it's time for these brothers
to come home, you know. And once we send those
letters and we collect and all that information were we
want to have over ten thousand, you know, to present
to them and to h and then have people to
come to the court date when we make that known,
so we can have our presence there and say, hey,

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it's time for these brothers to come home.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
What are you guys going to do about it? And
that's what we have to do.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
We've got a lot more to talk about and we're
going to do, so we got to squeeze in a
quick break. Foxy, We're going to hear from you as well,
and a whole lot more. So stay with us. We'll
be right back.

Speaker 14 (49:45):
WTLC A m W two three six C are Indianapolis
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Indy Forward. It's community Connection with Tina Cosby, brought to
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well being for children. On Praise AM thirteen ten ninety

(50:05):
five point on.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
FM and we're back with Community Connection talking about the
Pendleton two as promised the latest update and Jack Wuerta,
it sounds encouraging from what you've said in terms of
their impending release. They've served, each served, it's been what

(50:28):
forty years? Over forty years, yes, and they haven't had
any issues since.

Speaker 12 (50:35):
No.

Speaker 16 (50:35):
No, I mean, you know you get write ups and
conduct reports, and you know, initially coming out of all that,
after they were sentenced, you know, the system made it
a point to give them extra punishments, extra solitude, extra
years and solitary confinement. You know, so they had all
these different things to overcome, but they're still here and

(50:58):
holding strong.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
James, by all means, go ahead. I'm sure you have questions.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
Yeah, thanks Tina from the Josh. I have a question
because I heard during my research on this that there
was a guard during that time during the incident who
happened to be white fella, and he was willing to
testify on behalf of mister Cole and mister Trotter saying

(51:29):
what had gone down then the exact truth as he
saw it, and was he able to do that in court?

Speaker 16 (51:39):
And see that is a very good point to bring out.
But no, short answer, he was definitely not. There were
several different people who are parts of staff, who are
parts of.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
The guard pool, who just.

Speaker 16 (51:53):
Give different testimony to corroborate what the Penalton two were
saying about the abuse and the attacks and the blatant racism,
you know. So uh but no, they were never allowed
to uh and and the judge would always accept whatever
reason the prosecutor would give. But not one person was
able to testify on their behalf to corroborate their stories

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when many requested that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, Railroad, Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Also, it was another young man that we had on
last time we talked about this issue, and he said
that he helped to negotiate the standoff. I mean he
called he called WTLC and got it on the air
because he was afraid, you know, they were just gonna

(52:46):
kill him. The the the the inmates that the prisoners
who had had you know, taken a guard hostage I
believe it was, and did no harm to him, just
you know, we some eyes on this. So he picked
up the phone and called the radio station. And to

(53:08):
make a long story short, what came out of that
was he said that that the prison administrators signed an
agreement in order to end it that no one would
be charged. But we don't have that paper anywhere. But
that's what I mean. This is the kind of thing
that could be testified to and he's willing to do

(53:29):
it too. You know, should should they be able to
get this into open court and open it back up?

Speaker 16 (53:38):
Yeah, I think you're speaking to mister Minka Beg Timber, Yeah,
who happened to be there at the same time in
nineteen ninety five. He's released now, he's since been released,
but he suffered an underwent a lot as well, and
you know, solitary confinement and everything else that came along
with it. But yeah, he definitely And see that is

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what we're talking about here today, that community, community connection.
Look at the fact that he said, who can I call?
He couldn't call the police, you know, he couldn't call
any level of authority out there.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
He was afraid to call. And what news station do
you call?

Speaker 16 (54:20):
You know, right off the top of your head, but
where you listen to your favorite DJ talking to you
every day about things that matter to you, playing songs
that you love, creating a sense of community. He did
the only thing he could he called community and he said,
these people are gonna listen to our side, and they
definitely did, and they went independently of everybody else so

(54:43):
they can watch as well. But they contacted certain authorities
and giving them certain information so they.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Can go cover it.

Speaker 16 (54:50):
Because they just felt that as soon as they get
this thing back on their side, they're going to come
through and wipe us all down, you know, do away
with us.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
So they were acting try to.

Speaker 16 (55:00):
Save their lives and everybody else's because they understood that
if something happens, we are getting the blame for this,
you know, regardless of what it is.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
If somebody stubs their toe, it's our fault.

Speaker 16 (55:12):
So we're going to try to maintain order and maintain
life to the best of our abilities. And they did that,
you know, they did that, you know, and just briefly,
you can see all this at Pendleton two dot com.
The whole documentary is there, The Pendulton two They Stood Up.
You can google it on YouTube. You can look for
it on YouTube. The Pendulton two They Stood Up. The

(55:33):
whole account is documented.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
Yeah, and certainly that petition is there too, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (55:39):
Jo Absolutely, the petition is right there.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
You can read it over.

Speaker 16 (55:43):
You can sign right there, submit it right there, and
that will give us and then you can also become
a part of the email list to where you can
no have updates as they come and be a part
of this situation in case we do have to go
to the courthouse in Addison, Indiana, you know, and let
our presence be felt because it's.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Time for these brothers are elders, men who love us.
It's time for them to come home. It's just that's
that's all it is.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have a caller. Kevin has a
question for you. Kevin, Hi, how are you there?

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Hey?

Speaker 17 (56:16):
How you guys doing good?

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Good?

Speaker 5 (56:17):
Thank you?

Speaker 17 (56:19):
Hey, hey my brother man, I appreciate what you guys
are doing for those films to two up there.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
Man, that's that's commendim.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Man.

Speaker 17 (56:24):
I got a question a couple well, a question the
judge who will not allow for these testimonies to come
through the guards who were there back then?

Speaker 10 (56:33):
Do we know these people's names, where they at, what
they're doing now?

Speaker 17 (56:37):
What kind of capacity are they working in right now?

Speaker 16 (56:39):
And see that is a great another great question because
you got to remember this was right in nineteen eighty five,
eighty six, so vast majority of everybody directly related to
this case, a lot of them are passed away and
at the very minimum, you know, retired at this point.
So there's not a lot of people who are directly

(57:01):
related to the case that are still connected to it now.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
It's just that this new generation is holding.

Speaker 16 (57:08):
On to the legacy of white supremacy and injustice to
you know, people like us, and if we don't do
anything about it, then nothing will be done about it.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (57:22):
My other question, has this been taken up nationally like
a ban crump? Has anybody naturally wanted to pick us up?
Maybe getting like a roller morton, maybe get it naturally,
try to get some more eyes on there.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
You know.

Speaker 16 (57:34):
And you know, we've submitted for different things, and we've
tried to connect with different people. Our biggest platform that
we had was with two black connecting with Cornell West,
doctor Cornell West, and him speaking towards that in public settings,
you know, the Penalton too, so at least raising awareness.

(57:57):
We've spoken from New York to Californi and quite a
few places in between about what has happened. We've spoken
at all different types of universities and everything, talking about
what has happened here. So there are a lot of
people that do know about this, and there are a
lot of people who have decided to help us in

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this process.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
But we're still not exactly where we need to be.

Speaker 16 (58:22):
And until we get more of a pulse beating here
for this, then I don't expect to see anything. It's
going to take the people in and out in Indiana
and especially Indianapolis to pull.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Through and push through to get these brothers to home again.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
We're gonna switch gears here a little bit, not not really,
because we're talking about people. We're talking about community.

Speaker 13 (58:45):
Eric.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Can we hear a little of the sound we have
with this right now?

Speaker 18 (59:10):
One thing I pose.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
Is love.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
M hmm. Jumped out That guy was grown.

Speaker 10 (59:21):
Oh my mom.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
That's when I met you in more world. I didn't
catch you. Won't need to square up happened. I ain't
gonna lie.

Speaker 14 (59:31):
We'll let you.

Speaker 12 (59:33):
But I didn't let you, well, not that night anyway.
We didn't let no goot get in the way. We
just all kicked back. I get a play, but you
couldn't get away and go with your clothes and be
worrying crowd about get your cause I got into double angels. No,
I haven't house, but the funniest of things.

Speaker 15 (59:56):
Sound say is far.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
From you.

Speaker 18 (01:00:02):
Need to stay.

Speaker 19 (01:00:06):
That's what.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I wos.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Yeah, smooth group, smooth group.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
That was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Okay, okay, tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Can I give a little intro to that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Please?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
That's off my new album.

Speaker 16 (01:00:29):
Also, I'm a music producer, have been for quite some time,
and my music is associated with the struggles that we
go through and things like the Pendleton too. I have
a new album called Helium. The album is spelled h
e A l I U M with the with the

(01:00:50):
word heal inside of it, which means you have to
heal before you can rise. So this whole album is
addressing things that within our community needs to be, that
we need to look at and examine within ourselves, and
affirmations that can encourage us to go to a higher frequency.

(01:01:12):
You know, the same way that the music that we
come from, you know, the music that sounds good but
speaks to your soul. And I really wanted to come
back to that with hip hop and R and B,
with with with a new spind on it, but still
with those same same elements. So then I met Foxy.

(01:01:32):
This is Foxy right here, Foxy Cayenne. You know, because
she Foxy with like an amazing artist with a super
strong voice.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
As you just heard.

Speaker 16 (01:01:44):
She's on my album in several places. She's an amazing artist.
She was so willing and eager to work with me
when I first met her because I heard where she
was capable of and I really want you guys to
experience that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
But here she is Foxy Kyenne.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:02:00):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Give us a little bit more. What you know when
you when you first presented with the project, where did
you find mean, how did you how did you feel
doing it? So I was super excited.

Speaker 13 (01:02:13):
We met at the box out here in Indianapolis, and
we had a lot of friends.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
That like worked with each other m hm.

Speaker 13 (01:02:19):
So we got the opportunity of like meeting each other
and kind of talking a bit. And Jock's always just
been like really inspiring and pushing me, like even in
my own projects. He's such such support and it was
just like really easy to work with him. Like with
a lot of people, I go in the studio and
it takes like a hot minute for us to get

(01:02:40):
what we want in the sense of like what did
they want for that exact sound and they're trying to
figure out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
With Jock, he's got everything ready.

Speaker 13 (01:02:47):
I can come in and we can just get to
work and we can like focus on honing it into
its best instead of wasting time trying to figure out
parts and stuff. You know. So it's really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
So you the recording his music Helium all ties back
to the Pendleton to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
How well there are.

Speaker 16 (01:03:10):
There are definitely different songs within the album, especially one
called Reading Braille. Reading Braill is directly, you know, inspired
by the Pendleton too.

Speaker 15 (01:03:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
It's the face of you know, being able to.

Speaker 16 (01:03:26):
Present a picture of injustice, so crisp and clearly that
you're just faking blindness at this point, you know, So
you're reading Braill purposely. So yeah, the whole album speaks
to that struggle and other struggles like it, and and
and it also speaks to building our communities up those

(01:03:49):
daily reaffirmations that we need to hear and to feel
within ourselves to where we saying it back to ourselves,
you know, things that address certain pain and certain wounds
that we haven't been able to quite fully address.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
So this album gives you a way to address it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
And this album you Foxy, are going to be featured
at some of these community shows that you're going to
be putting forth, tell us about that and that connection
to the Pendleton.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Two.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Absolutely, So we will be performing.

Speaker 16 (01:04:21):
My artist's name and the name that you look up
on all platforms, Spotify, whatever the King, trill, t H E,
K I N G, t R I L L all
one word.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Look it up. You'll find the album Helium. All the
music is there.

Speaker 16 (01:04:38):
We're going to be performing everywhere over the summer, all
within the city, and every time we perform a portion
of those proceeds will go to the Pendleton to Defense Fund,
you know, So that'll be another way for us to
help pay for a lot of these things that have
to do with payment for lawyers and other things that

(01:04:58):
have to be done, making making information available with everybody,
and you know, we don't have too many sponsors out there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
So, so, Foxy, did you know about the effort to
free the penalty into before or after you did the
recording and what are your thoughts on it?

Speaker 13 (01:05:17):
Now? I had known a little bit about it. He
had brought it up a few times, and then he
recently I've heard more and more about it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Yeah, so to know that you as an artist are
contributing in some way to the Defense fund for this.
I mean, that's that's got to be a feeling. Yeah,
it's awesome.

Speaker 13 (01:05:37):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's great to support everyone around.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Us, like mm hmm. Indeed yeh love you know, like
we need to love each other and be there for
each other. So, James, the community efforts here, Uh, that's outstanding.
I mean, that's that's another that's another dimension to the battle.

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
Yeah, that's another dimension because everybody's not going to be
able to you know, go to the courthouse or you know,
keep updated constantly, although I hope they go to that
you know website, you know, uh Pendleton to u dot
com and check them out, check out the story. But however,

(01:06:16):
they can participate by checking out this Helium album and Jock,
you tell me if I'm wrong. It's on all platforms
right now. And just as as uh mister Jock just said,
all of the I mean, they've got shows booked up
and all of them will give a portion to the
Pendleton to Defense uh Liberation Fund, the Penalton to Defensive

(01:06:41):
Liberate Liberation Committee Liberation Fund, and that in that way
they can they can you know, listen to the music,
because I think, you know, not only is is mister Jock,
I think gifted in how he explains their polight, these
men who've been unjustly and God is against injustice, injustly

(01:07:07):
unjustly incarcerated. But he also is a gifted producer, writer, musician, performer.
So hopefully the Helium album will wrap, you know, help
to wrap the whole process, because you know, the Penalty

(01:07:28):
two to me deserved to be released as soon and
as quickly as possible, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Yeah, so yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Thank you, mister Patterson. I really do appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
So it's it's a realistic possibility, very realistic possibility. I
was asking you in the break that these two men, uh,
mister Trotter and mister Cole could very easily be back
home here in India. I guess they're both from Indianapolis.
They're both from Indiappa could be home by the end
of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Sons of the city.

Speaker 16 (01:08:02):
And if we did this thing the right way together, Yes,
it is very realistic and it's it's highly probable that
if we coming together as a community with all our
support systems and networks standing together and have our influence
felt and our presence felt at that courthouse to say, hey,

(01:08:23):
it's time for these men to come home. After forty years,
we think that they even do it enough for what
you have accused them of. You know, let's not even
fight the guilty verdict, and let's not even fight the
charges that are made. Let's just give them some honor
and dignity that they deserve at this point, and let's
modify their sentences strictly from consecutive to concurrent. That one

(01:08:44):
little word, and that will allow these men to come home.
You know, they don't want you know, no harm, no foul.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Let's get on with life and enjoy what life has
to offer at this stage.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
Yeah, people who commit murder, yes, convicted or they confess
to murder, don't get as many years as you know people.
And yet that's that this Helium album Real Quick is
also you know, intended to heal our communities. Heal our

(01:09:19):
community because right now we still have folks acting crazy
doing stuff that they would Mister John can tell you
that once you know, you make a mistake and they
just they want to lock you up as badly as
they can to keep themselves employed. And they lock you
up and then you're regretting it for five, ten, fifteen,
twenty years or whatever. So just that one of the mistakes.

(01:09:41):
So we need to heal as a people and love
one another. And Foxy said, love each other absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Yeah, And so the lesson from this particular case that
you're hoping our criminal justice system are, you know, are
everybody that has any spoke you know that's on this
tree in any way, shape or form. What are you
both hoping that the lessons learned if this comes to
the conclusion that you seem to think it will, that
we all hope it will if this comes to a conclusion,

(01:10:10):
because actually forty years function, you know, in all fairness
is a life sentence because they're you know, the presumptive
in Indiana's with forty to sixty five something like that,
So they've already served life. Yes, for the most part, absolutely,
you know.

Speaker 16 (01:10:26):
What I would want the most obviously, of course them
to come home number one, you know, as soon as possible,
release the penalty two, you know, but beyond that, what
I would want the most is for us as a
people to understand that these are not as isolated events

(01:10:47):
as you may think, you know, just because you're hearing
this story by me over the radio today. There's ten
thousand stories that we can catch just by making a
few passes, a few little neighborhoods out here, and we
can hear a story upon your story exactly. So these
things will continue to happen to us until we form

(01:11:09):
a collective group who says, hey, we are going to
stand together in the faces of injustice, and we will
all come together because it is not just against one
person or an isolated family, as much you would like
it would like to think, it is us, and we
will respond accordingly.

Speaker 5 (01:11:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Yeah, we have a caller, another caller that has a
question for you. Pierre, go ahead, you have a question.

Speaker 11 (01:11:36):
Oh, good afternoon, Good afternoon. You know, I've been following
the story while you guys have been bringing it on
Tina for the last couple of years. Thanks. Yeah. And
the thing what I want to know is there is
no person more prominent in the United States of America

(01:12:01):
for getting these types of cases out then the Reverend
now Sharpton, does he know about this case? Does he
have you guys approached him about this case?

Speaker 15 (01:12:15):
No?

Speaker 16 (01:12:16):
There, I mean that is one of the few people
that I don't know. Maybe before I got there, maybe
there might have been some type of attempt to contact,
but none that I'm aware of.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
And national action networks, Yeah, organization, okay, that you can contact.
And he makes it a point to share with the
community and people that they can't go anywhere unless they're invited.
They don't just storm in, to contrary to popular belief,
they don't just storm in and do whatever. But if

(01:12:48):
you let them know and share and invite them into
the situation, they typically investigated. If I have that correct,
I'm pretty sure I did.

Speaker 11 (01:12:59):
Yeah, that's that's the Reverend sharptons things because they don't
want The Reverend Sharpton doesn't want to mess up anybody's
chances that gets and so he wants people to invite
him in to their situation and then he'll work it

(01:13:21):
from there, because there's just nobody more prominent in the
United States of America. When our sharpings show them, that's
the last thing they want, just for him and the
in the documentary, Yeah, they don't want when our sharping comes,

(01:13:43):
the cameras come, the heat comes, you know, and and
and I'm sure this gentleman knows, Tina, there is a
whole different reality out there that we don't see. We
don't see how these judges act with these courts. I'm
dealing with it now. There's a whole lot of things

(01:14:06):
that the public just doesn't see. But the people who
are in it, the attorneys, the civil rights people who
are in it, this man right here sitting in your studio,
they see things that the general public don't see. They
don't understand. They think all judges are honest and fair

(01:14:29):
and all of that, and they agent and they think,
you know, they're more apt to believe the system and
the administrators before they'll believe the people who are being victimized.
I get off, I'm gonna get off the radio. But
you know, when you when somebody tells you something, people

(01:14:53):
are more apt to believe the authorities before you have to.
You have to really show them evidence before they will
believe you. And it is just an uphild battle. But
you get somebody like revernd now shopping behind you. He
brings the campus to bring the heat right. And I

(01:15:16):
just wanted to suggest that thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Thank you, Pierre, appreciate it. And yeah, it's hard to
believe that more. Pierre brought an interesting point heat that
more heat hasn't been applied to this particular case over
the years, because this is egregious. I mean just you know,
two hundred years.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Yeah, to see and you know, you got to give
credit where credit is due.

Speaker 16 (01:15:40):
Ideal C was very, very skillful and burying this case,
burying it like I did fifteen years inside Indiana prisons
and institutions, and I never heard of this case.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Until I got out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
You know, you were you at Pendleton.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
No, I wasn't that Pendleton.

Speaker 16 (01:16:02):
I was at Level two facilities, you know, Westville, the farm,
et cetera. But but I didn't even know about this
in there, you know, doing time. So that's how deeply
that this story was was was buried. So I see
a lot of people are just now finding out about
it now, so you know they're there. We any type

(01:16:25):
of uh uh, you know, notification to the people about
this case primarily mostly has come from us, the Defense Committee.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Yeah, you've done a fantastic job, and we want to
keep getting that message out there. Fox and you keep singing,
you got to you got a gift there and get
a real gift. Thank you for being a part of
this as well, and you've done a fantastic job of
pulling a lot of pieces together in what James clearly

(01:16:54):
is is a complicated case. I mean, there's no doubt
about it. It's complicated.

Speaker 16 (01:16:58):
Yeah, and you know that's complicated as it is, but
simple but simple because the state didn't even argue much
against the accusations of these guards being members of the
ku Klux Klan, where you know, they didn't even put
up a fight in these things, you know they you know,
and yeah, and you know, so they're trying to they're

(01:17:19):
trying to bury them. But like I said, and in closing,
please Pendleton two dot com you can find all the information.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
You can watch.

Speaker 16 (01:17:29):
Yes, the word it's the number two, not not the
not the numeral the number I mean like well, you
know the two the two lines like the number two.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Oh no, they don't have that on there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Okay, I'm sorry, I know I was asking serious, I
wasn't money.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're good.

Speaker 20 (01:17:49):
Good yeah, the number number number yeah, because when you
said that, what you're saying, it's not the let's.

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
Let's make it simple. The E N D L E
T O N two like one two the number two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
And at the website and then keep it simple.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
Kay, no, no, no, Eric, I want to hear you too.
But Helium is the album you know for the young people.
Go to Helium and you can find out, uh, you know,
how you can help the Pendleton too, to at least absolutely.
And yeah, so go ahead. Eric was going to say.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
Once, once you get to Pendleton two dot com, you
can take action. You can donate, you can sign the petition,
you can schedule the screening.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
You can even write to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Which they love and from the community. And letters.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Letters, that's the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
You've been there before. What are letters like when you're
behind bars.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
There is nothing?

Speaker 16 (01:18:48):
Yeah, yeah, that is their taste of freedom now, you know.
And that's what they really get inspired by us. When
you know, we go to Pennsylvania and then be maybe
twenty students from a university in Pennsylvania write them to
you know, tell them what they're what their sacrifice has
meant to them, and what they're learning from this. They

(01:19:10):
come back and they call me and say, hey, John, listen,
you know, and they really pour their hearts out, you know,
and you so you can really see how that affects them.
And and that is the shining lights in those moments
of darkness that really affected.

Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
Guess I'm signing the petition. I'm signing great, thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
We need that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
Yeah, we can do that. We can absolutely, That's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
That's what we want.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Thank you so so, Eric. I guess we could play
them off with a little bit more of us.

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
I'm gonna probably restart again.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Again, thank you in the website again, Pendleton number.

Speaker 10 (01:19:51):
Number to.

Speaker 16 (01:19:54):
The King Trill Helium. That's the album The King Trill
t H E K I and E t R I
l L. Listen to it with somebody you care about.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Yeah, thank you all the best with getting the Penalton
two released and back home after forty years. We certainly
applaud your efforts and wish you all the luck.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Thank you for being on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Thank you, Annapolis.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Thank you. And as we listen to a little bit more,
we will be back right after this lines are open
three one, seven, four, eight, zero, thirteen ten, we'll be
right back.

Speaker 12 (01:20:25):
I ain't gonna we'll let you well. I didn't let
you well, not that nine anyway. We didn't let no
mood get in the way. We just okay, back I
can plead, but you couldn't get away.

Speaker 14 (01:20:43):
Let's get back to the conversation. It's Community Connection with
Tina Cosby, brought to you by Child Advocates, a champion
for justice, opportunity and well being for children on phrase
Am thirteen ten ninety five point one FM.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
And we're back with Communit Connect. Lines are open three
one seven for eight zero thirteen ten, three one seven
for eight zero thirteen ten. What a what a good segment,
What a great segment. Absolutely well, pardon I'm sorry, James Well.

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
I was waiting for Eric to speak there, but what
a lovely Mother's Day segment. And I was gonna say,
when it done an a month or two ago out there,
bring them home for Mother's Day.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely they You know, these kinds of
campaigns and projects are not easy, and they're very taxing
on you emotionally what have you. And so I always
admire people that you know, that stay the course and
work until it's done, and you know, these two certainly are.

(01:21:46):
I cannot imagine. I can't imagine having to spend basically
a lifetime for something that you didn't do, you know,
your two hundred years. And the one thing I forgot
to ask him, how much time do they have left?
You know, if they had, they were already served forty
and they were sentenced to two hundred. So I'm assuming
they got what another forty or fifty.

Speaker 18 (01:22:05):
Years to go.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
It's a collective two hundred. I do know that much.
One of them got more than the other. Okay, so
they've already served forty both of them. Seen, I got
plenty of times. If they don't modify, they have the possibility.
I'm not going to claim it. I'm claiming them coming out,
but they have the possibility of staying there, you know.
But we're not going to claim there no no for

(01:22:28):
for for their life.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
No, we won't know. Let's go back to the phone lines.
Lines are open until we're until we're out of here
in about thirty minutes. Guess who's back. Lifestyles with Eric.
Go ahead, Lifestyles with Eric. How are you doing.

Speaker 11 (01:22:43):
I'm doing well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Happy Friday, folks, That.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Friday, that'd be Friday.

Speaker 19 (01:22:50):
I just wanted to give you my you know, I
try to call every now and then and give you
my street assessment.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
You know, That's what I do for a living.

Speaker 19 (01:22:59):
I'm off work now and i'm driving down.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
I just rode across the the thirty three bridge.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Actually, okay, don't ask me, because I'm gonna tell you too.

Speaker 19 (01:23:10):
When I said, I just want I love this town.
I love my home with the city the city tore up.
I mean it's from Pott's.

Speaker 10 (01:23:20):
Let me get my words together. It's it's depressing.

Speaker 14 (01:23:23):
It's it's.

Speaker 19 (01:23:25):
I'm just I'm disappointed. I'm tired of hearing we don't
have the revenue. I want to know what the heck happened.
Who let the streets go like this and the neighborhood
go like this? It looks I mean, I'm driving.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
I do this for a living.

Speaker 10 (01:23:44):
It doesn't look good.

Speaker 19 (01:23:46):
Our city is crumbling from the homes unless you live
on down On Delaware or New.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
Jersey a couple of those areas.

Speaker 19 (01:23:55):
Yes, those those homes are now worth a million dollars.
But besides that, this is a deplighted city.

Speaker 9 (01:24:02):
It's just it's it makes you want to cry.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
I love this place.

Speaker 19 (01:24:08):
Although I want some land and I want to move,
maybe to the country, I love this.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
I love this place. This is my home.

Speaker 10 (01:24:14):
This city looks like crap.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Go ahead, didn't they redo that bridge?

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Eric?

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Yes, project so so check this out.

Speaker 19 (01:24:27):
Bridge is done, but it's potholes all the way up,
all the way up the bridge.

Speaker 10 (01:24:32):
I mean the way up.

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
So they didn't so they didn't repay.

Speaker 19 (01:24:37):
Going up towards Derby Hill and the old Iron Skillet restaurant.
So as you go down south back to the bridge,
it's potholes and potholes.

Speaker 15 (01:24:47):
So it's just the five.

Speaker 8 (01:24:48):
Hundreds getting ready to be here in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 19 (01:24:51):
This is ridiculous.

Speaker 11 (01:24:52):
This is absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 10 (01:24:55):
The highway by downtown where you know they did that a.

Speaker 8 (01:24:58):
Couple of years ago.

Speaker 10 (01:24:59):
Heck, it's pot holes.

Speaker 19 (01:25:00):
And speed bumps on that butter They just did this stuff.
So my question is when they do do things, somebody
is putting the cheapest things they can put down so
that they get the job again. Something's going on, somebody's stilling.

Speaker 10 (01:25:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 19 (01:25:18):
I can't put my finger on it. I can't put
my and blame any name or anything. But I'm telling you,
as a citizen that's been here fifty three years, almost
fifty four, I'm riding through these neighborhoods. Something's going down.

Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 19 (01:25:32):
I can't put my finger right on it. But I'm
passionate about this because I'm tired of not being able
to just ride around like I used to and without
potentially I just got a rim fix today, three bends
I didn't put recorded to the City's I'm not gonna
do that.

Speaker 10 (01:25:50):
No, I'm not gonna get it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
I'm with you. I'm on my fifth tire right now.
I mean I'm riding on a donut right now until
I can get to a tire shop tomorrow because the
waight is just ridiculous. I can't do it before work,
I can't do it after work, so i have to
wait till the weekend. But I'm on tire number five.
But then the last year, in fact, one of my
when we hear that, well, one of our co workers,
he said, what is it with you entires? He said,

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do you drive bad?

Speaker 13 (01:26:15):
Or what?

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
I said? I don't know if I got a bad
set of tires. I've been driving for one hundred years,
and I don't think it had anything to do with
my driving.

Speaker 11 (01:26:23):
It's just here's the thing I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:26:25):
This is the thing.

Speaker 8 (01:26:26):
You're not at fault. Here's the thing.

Speaker 19 (01:26:28):
If you do not set up on your steering wheel
like you just started driving and you're scared you won't
you're going to hit a pothole.

Speaker 10 (01:26:37):
You can't look away from your car.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
I mean, that's your phone not turning down.

Speaker 19 (01:26:42):
You have to look straight ahead and down. I'm just
telling you that's the only way you can maybe get through.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
You know. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 19 (01:26:53):
I hope somebody has a solution. I don't want to
talk to the mayor ever again. He does not need
to run for re electing. In my opinion, please don't
because people are going to fall for it again and
vote for him again.

Speaker 11 (01:27:09):
We need we need new.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Leadership, period, period, dot.

Speaker 11 (01:27:14):
And that's it all forgiving me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
All right, thank you, thank you, thank you, and uh,
you know, I feel the pain.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
I feel it what you said. The fifth's my fifth tire.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
Number, tire number five. Now, thankfully this one will not,
necessarily I don't think, need to be replaced because it's
right smack dab in the middle. So that is technically
an area that can be repaired because on either of
the side panels, which typically tear up when you dip

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down into a pothole. You know, you either get one
or the other side panel. But they said this one
was probably a pothole too, you know, because of the
way it the way the cut is. I'm sorry you
were saying, James, I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
Well, you know, how much do you and Eric have
to harp on this? I mean, how much? What does
it take? I mean, I heard you saying the other
day about Roadaball Road. I mean, I've called the compliment
over there on my complement Colos Perkins. I don't get

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a call back, but I said I was gonna keep
calling them until I do. That road runs along from
sixty second to seventy first Street north and south. Two schools,
two great schools are there, and it's like an obstacle course.
You know what an obstacle course is?

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
And I don't know how the buses do it without
coming out every day and tires just totally dilapidate. I
don't know how the buses because they got they've got
elementary school to the to the north, and they've got
the middle school to the south, and from sixty second
Street all the way to seventy first Street, it is
nothing but an obstacle course on both sides. On both sides,

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that little bitty bridge right after you head off seventy
first Street if you're heading north, that has been repaved,
but that you know, like they were saying, leading up
to it and leading around it. And by the way,
I'm we I haven't gotten in and we need to
find out because we're getting ever so close to the
race the status of the sixteenth Street bridge and what's

(01:29:21):
going on with that project. No is stone cold silence,
radio silence.

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
So yeah, but you know, I mean speaking of the race,
you know, sixteenth Street before you get to Speedway, you know,
going from White River from that bridge site to you know,
the edge of Speedway. Nothing wrong with that, Nothing wrong
with those street lanes on each side, nothing nothing wrong
with the lanes going past the State House or downtown.

(01:29:49):
But but but like Lifestyle said, what gims in certain neighborhoods,
you know what what gives here?

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
James, I've reported Rotabaa as well, and uh yeah, I Carlos,
I'm going.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
Come election time next year.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
I mean, I'm remember it at all of them reported
everywhere you go you find them, and I'm just I
am sure that there have been collision, you know, not
that we hear about it too much, but collisions as
a result of people swerving to avoid potholes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
I know them.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Yeah, there, there has to be a number of those.

Speaker 5 (01:30:26):
Aren't there. I mean, I mean the money. The money
can go where the priorities are for the people in power.
And I understand the little people who call this show
all the time. They don't know what to do because
you know, they're not in power.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
No, no, they're not in power. And if you don't,
you know. Just and like I said, I was being
ridiculed in the parking lot today. Reverend Jim was laughing.
He was making fun. He said, what do you do? Girl?
I said, And I was out there throwing a fit
about something else anyway, because I slammed my hand down,

(01:31:00):
I said, Reverend you you pulled up just in time
because I'm calming down. But anyhow, let let's go back
to the one line. We got a lot of folks
that want to want to weigh in here. Let's see Frank.
Mister Frank, go ahead, how are you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
I'm happy Mother's Day to you and all the mothers.

Speaker 8 (01:31:20):
Yeah, thanky, mister Frank's right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Good to hear your boys.

Speaker 10 (01:31:25):
I just got a simple question to say about the
powtholes and and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Uh, here's what he deals. When Marion County gets white enough,
you don't have to worry about no powertholes, no more.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Okay, all right, well wow.

Speaker 5 (01:31:46):
Wow wow, Deacon Deacon used to be on the front.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Okay, all right, you know we know what that wow
means worth a thousand words. Okay, let's go back to
the phone lines. Mayhem, go ahead, how are you?

Speaker 8 (01:32:03):
Hey?

Speaker 10 (01:32:03):
How's it going?

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:32:06):
Hey, how's going? Good?

Speaker 10 (01:32:07):
Good show? Hey the merri din come on your show
and tell you he was running again. He did it
last Saturday on what's it called show?

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Who's come on?

Speaker 10 (01:32:19):
At twelve o'clock. Pastor the pastor.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Unity in the Community, Pastor Jackson, the mayor absolutely declared
his candidacy. That's news because that would have been big
news if he said he was running again.

Speaker 10 (01:32:33):
Yeah, he came on there with his I guess his
bodyguard or whoever they.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Did he say he was running or did he say
he would consider or he's considering a run? Because those
are two distinct and separate things. And my cast is
he said, Okay, I'm not saying you didn't hear.

Speaker 10 (01:32:52):
I just I just think no, No, I'm saying I'm
trying to I'm trying to remember I was dozing off
or whatever, but I'm pretty sure or he said he
was running running again. He got some he got some
new heavy hitters around him, insulating him he.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
You know, he might just get in again because he
got his position has been and what has made news
is that he was entertaining and considering a bit okay.
As of May twenty six, Indianapis Mayor Joe Hawk said
has not officially announced he is running for for his term,
but stated he is weighing a run for the twenty
twenty seven elections. So that, like I said, if he

(01:33:33):
had if he had declared it definitively on Pastor Jacksony show,
we would have known.

Speaker 10 (01:33:40):
If if I stard to be corrected, maybe somebody need
to go back and check it out.

Speaker 15 (01:33:44):
But I.

Speaker 10 (01:33:46):
Recalled he was, he was on. He interviewed him and
he ain't taking no phone calls or nothing. But I
think he said he was thinking.

Speaker 5 (01:33:53):
But running, mister man, before you go, Before you go,
mister Mayham, that that was a good point. You brought
up the fact that he went on that show and
said he was entertaining an idea of running. That in
itself is uh it's diametrically opposed to what he said

(01:34:15):
before the last election when he said this will be
my final time running.

Speaker 10 (01:34:23):
The last time he was on seniors show, she asked
him the questions and he got really indignant, and I
knew he wasn't coming back. H you asked him something
and he got really indignant about it, or said, yeah,
he's not coming back. I want to give advice to
the last caller. Uh, I forgot the b name.

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
No, not lifestyle lifestyle.

Speaker 10 (01:34:48):
Yeah, life lifestyle, lifestyle and other people. Do your own
investigation about the roads because nothing new was going down. Uh.
They take the stuff up, run it through a machine,
and put it back down there. That's why your roads
look raggedy. In the chair quick and also people buying
me I wonder, I don't know why people buy new

(01:35:10):
cars to put on put on these streets because the
roads are actually tearing your cars up.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
Good point, All right, Okay, I wonder.

Speaker 10 (01:35:21):
I wanted to ask you something. I don't know how
to go about this. Is anybody, any relatives or anybody
you can get on that. Uh, people to buy houses.
You only supposed to buy one house living in for
so many years, but people come about the shortest houses.
That's not as short as of houses. It's people that

(01:35:42):
got houses. I know on this uh where I used
to live at, two people, Uh it's only like ten
or twelve houses. But one person got four houses uh
on that block. The only live in one and the
other two were empty. Then the other one got maybe
four or five houses. They only live in one, but

(01:36:02):
the other houses are empty. I don't know. They thought
they was gonna hold out for them the bomb, wait
for people to bomb. But uh, these people got got
these houses and they got them sett them like somebody
live in them and they don't live them. On one
block you got two people, they got maybe eight or
nine houses.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Well, I don't know any okay, go ahead, no, thank
thank you, Mayhem A couple of me too. I don't
know of any particular rule where you can only buy
one you say, you're supposed to buy one house and
live in and people can buy as many houses as
they want is they can afford. I don't think that
there's anything wrong with that. As far as a housing shortage,

(01:36:43):
I don't think there is a shortage. There probably is
a shortage of affordable housing. But I think what you
might be referring to in the real estate market is
that there is a shortage of houses on the market.
Houses on the market, you know, a lot of people
are staying in their homes a lot longer and not selling,

(01:37:04):
moving and you know, doing what you know, just like
in the in the car industry, there's a shortage of
used cars, good reliable used cars, because folks just don't
want to, you know, they don't want to absorb that
expense of a brand new car with a sticker still
on it. So the inventory of new the inventory of
new houses or houses for sale is low. But it

(01:37:26):
doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't any houses in the
United States. It just means that the inventory, in terms
of the buying and selling space, the inventory of houses
for sale is low. There's not a whole lot to
choose from now. As far as the shortage, there has
long been a long standing shortage of affordable housing for average,

(01:37:47):
middle of the road income Americans. There's no doubt about
that that is a housing shortage. But to the point
you may where you're supposed to get at one house
and live in it, and some people eight eight and nine.
That's this capitalism, that's the American well, might you can
own as many as you want.

Speaker 4 (01:38:04):
Might be talking about I can't think of the proper
terminology these companies coming in buying up out of town
investor investors, investors and then renting them.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Renting them. Yeah, then you know, at ridiculous rates. That's
so much so that a number of home homeowners associations
have had to amend there. You know, they've had to
amend their rules, so to speak, to to limit the
percent the percentage of rentals that they allow and their
the covenants. I do believe that that's what. Yeah, so

(01:38:37):
I think I think I got what he was saying.
I think I think that's but there's no housing shortage,
particularly unless you're talking about in the affordable housing.

Speaker 4 (01:38:48):
The cost is ridiculous. It is to buy a house,
to buy a car. And they keep saying, well, we
can't sell callers or houses. Well, there's a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
There's a reason. You want way too much money, way
too much money, and the uh, you know, the costs
to build all the cost cost to build yourself. A
final call, final call, this is the name of a newspaper.
But then let's take our last call of the show.
Share you get the last call go ahead, how are.

Speaker 18 (01:39:14):
You eighteen nineteen? That Happy Mother's Day to you and.

Speaker 8 (01:39:20):
Listeners out there.

Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
Listen, there is no perfect city, Tina. We know that
there's no perfect city.

Speaker 18 (01:39:27):
I think that, you know, with all these potholes and
chuck holes and things like that, I mean, somebody's obviously
have to be pocketing some of that money that they're
supposedly getting or supposed to have.

Speaker 5 (01:39:38):
You know, the lottery was supposed to.

Speaker 18 (01:39:40):
Come through and help us with the schools and help
us with the roads and the casinos and off the
where's that money going?

Speaker 9 (01:39:47):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 18 (01:39:48):
Why do they have to use cheap materials and such
like that to fix our potholes and the and the
other thing is, you know, to the brother that called
in earlier, I mean we we again, we don't live
in a perfect but we can't bash where we live at.
And if we don't, you know, if we don't like
what we see going on, then let's try to be
part of the change. You know, maybe call down and

(01:40:09):
see if there's something that you can do to help,
or maybe.

Speaker 5 (01:40:11):
Run for the office if you think you can do better.

Speaker 18 (01:40:14):
I mean, I just don't think people should be bashing
their city, and what have you liked that?

Speaker 10 (01:40:18):
I mean, you know, and the mayor. You know, the mayor.

Speaker 18 (01:40:21):
He's not a perfect mayor, but yet I mean, I
don't know what he's doing down there, but you know,
there needs to be somebody needs to come along and
try to do better if we can. So, you know,
I think we should be trying to be part of
the situation versus part of the problem.

Speaker 10 (01:40:36):
I mean, I hit a chuck hole a couple of
a couple of weeks ago that I mean, I know,
I know, I sell in it, you know, just just
you know that it was just that deep.

Speaker 18 (01:40:46):
And I also want to remind drivers too, when you're driving,
be careful. You know, you almost got to hit that
chuck hole, because if you hit another car, that's the
more expensive.

Speaker 8 (01:40:57):
Than it is to hit that chuck hole.

Speaker 18 (01:40:59):
Said that, we got to hit a chuck hole, period,
but be careful with that, you know, go ahead and
hit the chuck hole versus hitting another car because a
lot of people swerve and they swerve right in front
of you trying to keep from hitting.

Speaker 5 (01:41:11):
That chuck hole.

Speaker 18 (01:41:11):
But hitting the chuck hole is less expensive than it
is with you hitting a car.

Speaker 5 (01:41:19):
To say, people don't think about that. Just think about that.
People don't think about that.

Speaker 18 (01:41:22):
So all right, thanks for taking a call.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
Thank you appreciated. Here and uh so here we are
at the end of a show, in the end of
another week. Uh oh, well a lot, but yeah, the
pothole thing is an emotional thing.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
And uh a lot of public tax dollars going into
the new hotel being built down here.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Yeah, that's what I thought they're they're directed. Yeah, and
where we got I don't know where it was ever,
but the lottery money was never going toward roads and schools.
The lottery money, uh is used for teacher and fireirefighter
pensions for the most part. That's the majority of the
teachers and firefighter pensions. Now maybe the teachers name and

(01:42:08):
there's something indicated that the lottery would be used for schools,
but I think that that was some of the planned
direction for it. But yeah, anyway, go ahead, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
Martine, and I just want to comment a little bit
about what Sherry said. I mean, I think she made
some good points. However, we live in representative government. We
picked up people we want to represent us, and then
we expect them to do what we ask them to do.
They're taking all our tax dollars, lots of them, so
we expect them to do that. And yeah, we you know,

(01:42:41):
we want to have a little bit of pride about
where we live. However, I would say that you get
the government that you that you tolerate, and you know,
if you if you if you want to tolerate these
kinds of conditions on our streets while they go and
build hotels or whatever, then that's what you get. If

(01:43:01):
that's what you tolerate. But you know, you don't have
to live in a city like that, you can. I've
been to plenty of cities where their roads are really
eight the The local government is the lowest form of government,
closest to the people. Okay, so you don't have to
put up with the people you elect to local government
if they don't. And mayor daily you know, uh mayor

(01:43:24):
of Washington, the first black mayor of Chicago, they will
tell you, I mean they can't tell you they're both gone,
but they would have told you that local things like streets,
fire protection, police protection, those basic things. I don't want
to get them on soapbox. Those things are very important
to people.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
Yeah, they are h And as you say, James, we.

Speaker 5 (01:43:46):
Pay for it, yeah, lots of Yes, this tire right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
No, yeah, the tire, fifth tire and hopefully this one
won't have to be replaced. It can just be plugged
and repaired.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
And I get all my way, but I'll just say this.
Our streets are on the cover of the New York Times.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Was it a couple of years ago?

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Oh really America?

Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
Yeah, New York Times, one of the of the New
York papers. Yeah, about our streets being so bad. That's
all I'll say.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Not good, Okay, we'll stay after that one.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
Not good.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
You know my you know my request. We need a podpoles?

Speaker 11 (01:44:21):
Are you said that? I agree?

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
But whoever does that is probably going to be elected
king of the world. Whoever decides to figure out a
way to do that, because that's that's what's needed, uh
more so than anything. Hey, thank you all as always
for listening our website. Praiseindie dot com. I'm hearing the
music that means we're out of time. Williemore Junior on
the radio is up next again. Happy Mother's Day to

(01:44:46):
everyone out there. Hope everyone has a great weekend. We'll
be back on Monday with a whole lot more for
James and Eric, thank you both as always, and we'll
be talking to y'all again in a couple of days.
You well, Thank you everybody, have a good weekend for
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