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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Ivery one. I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk
eleven ten, ninety ninety three WBT. Welcome to the show.
In case you don't know, this is a faith and
values program here on WBT that's been airing now for
over twenty five years. It's been a pleasure doing this
every weekend. I thank you for listening, and many thanks
to Perry's Find Jewelry for your sponsorship of the show.
(01:13):
Without you, I could not do this on a weekly basis. Well,
this is kind of a part two from last week.
If you listened to last week, you know my guest
was Bill Rose. Bill is a partial owner of the
New York Yankees. We had a fun time just talking
about his life, his experiences in sports, him also being
an agent who has other athletes he oversees in their
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sports endeavors. So we're following up that show last week
inviting now his wife, Vicki, to be a part of
the show. She's more of the spotlight this week, but
both are here in studio with me. Vicky has written
a book entitled Every Reason to Leave. It's a book
about her marriage to Bill. It's a very open, raw,
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candid experience of their lives together and one time when
they thought their marriage was over, and how the Lord
Jesus brought them back together. So for any marriage out
there that's struggling, I'm hoping that this show will be
a way for you to realize there's still hope in
your marriage, that the Lord can rekindle love within your
hearts and allow you to stay together for many, many years,
(02:19):
like Bill and Vickie have done so. Bill, first of all,
welcome back to the show. Good to have you here.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Thanks, David, good to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah. The world series. Wow, what a world series this
has been. I think many of us thought the Dodgers
might even sweep the Toronto Blue Jays.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, the Blue Jays have done to the Dodgers what
they did to the Yankees. They are Nickel and diamoning
them to death. Their managers are managing with their gut,
not through a computer, and it's sort of a pleasure
to see the difference. The Shavitz they let in for
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seven innings last night and on Wednesday night and snell
through one hundred and sixteen pitches, which is something you
just don't see normally.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah. Well, by the time this is aired, you folks
listening will know who the World Series champion is. But
right now Toronto's up three to two and it's an
amazing experience to watch that occurring. Bill's wife, Vicky, is
also in studio with me. Vicky, welcome. It's good to
have you here as well.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Thanks so much, David, I'm so glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Well, Vicky, let me start with you. How did you
and Bill meet and what caused you to fall in
love and get married and all of that.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, that's actually really his part of the story.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
How we met Bill, you want to jump in.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I was with a friend of mine and walking towards
my parents' apartment and I saw this girl come out,
and I thought she was really cute. And he happened
to know her name because he went to school up
in Boston and had seen her, and so I recognized
the last name, which was Gage. And I said to
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my mom, is any really to our friend? Your friend
Sue Gage? And it was her niece. But she said,
you know, don't don't bother calling because she's going out
with some guy down the village and and it's.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Just, you know, forget it.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So I forgot it for a year. A year later,
her aunt calls my mom and says, they broke up,
have them call.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And that's because I called my aunt when I broke
up with my college boyfriend, and I said, if that guy,
whomever he was, is still interested, I'm available.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So at that point, you didn't know who he was, nothing,
what he looked like, or anything like a clue. Okay,
So Bill, you call her and you guys start to date.
Is that correct? That is correct? Okay? And how long
did you date before the answer to the question became yes,
I want to marry you.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well, we met in October, the end of October, and
I knew nothing about baseball, and I knew nothing about
what lay ahead with someone who's passionate about baseball. And
so October, November, December, January, firbrue March spring training started,
and by then I knew that this is the guy
I wanted to marry. And then we met baseball. And
(05:11):
that first summer we dated, I went to seventy seven
zero New York Yankee home games.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Oh my goodness. And you really didn't care about baseball
at that point. You just cared about Bill.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I had never been to a game. I had never
been to a baseball game in my life.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, so she went to seventy eighty one home games,
to which I say, she really wanted the ring.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And to what she says, I say, it worked because
I'm still here.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And you're not talking about a World Series championship.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No, no, no, I know wedding ring you wanted.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So you and Bill meet and fall in love. And
if he didn't catch this last weekend, I don't know
if we mentioned it, but Bill is a partial owner
of the New York Yankees, and so that's why he
loves the Yankees so much, and that's why the Yankees
baseball games occurred. So what ear did you get married?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
We got married in nineteen seventy seven, February fourth, nineteen
seventy seven. So we've been married for forty eight years.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Wow, and you have how many children?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
We have two children, they are both married, and we
have six grandchildren.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Heay, grandchildren? Yes, love grand.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
What has brought us here to Charlotte, North Carolina?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, and you guys have again been married for these
forty eight years. But it's not always been a great road,
a smooth path that you've walked along.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
It has not. It has not been a great we
had some very major bumps, and in fact, we were
separated in nineteen eighty six after almost ten years of marriage.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Married ten years, separated, separated for how long?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Five and a half years?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So listen, everyone, five and a half years of separation,
and what I want to do in the next segment
is to get into how in the world did you
begin to overcome all of the barriers that caused the
separation and why did you move back toward one another
and indeed recover your marriage to the point now it
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is forty eight years and keep moving forward. So that's
what I want to talk about when we come back.
And Bill and Vicki Rose are my guest today. Vicky's
book is Every Reason to Leave, and she had every
reason to leave in the five and a half years
of their separation, but they chose to renew their vowels
to recover their marriage, and I want to talk about
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that today. What were the issues that caused you to
be able to come back together again? And maybe that's
something that someone here listening right now needs to hear
that you can, through God's help, recover the wedding vowels
that you made and have hope for your marriage I'm
David Chadwick. This as News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine
three WBT. We will be right back. Hi everyone, I'm
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David Chadwick and Bill Rose is my guest, the one
with his wife, Dicky Bill, a partial owner of the
New York Yankee. Bill, what in the world is that
song that's coming back right now?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
That song was like back from the sixties or seventies.
It was played on the radio and it's still played occasionally.
But it was one of our little jingles that was
on the air.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
But now the song still, isn't it? Frank Sinatra and
New York, New York played all the time?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It is? It is, so we used to only play Sinatra.
I don't know what we do now. We used to
only play Sinatra New York, New York after we won
a game, and they would play somebody else's version if
we lost.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, that's a good insight. I didn't know that well.
My guest today, Bill and Vicki Rose. Bill again is
a partial owner of the Yankees. He was my guest
last week talking about his sports agency and some of
the things he does there. The state of baseball today,
we talked about that as well. But I wanted Vicky
to come this week with him to talk about her
book that she wrote called Every Reason to Leave If
(10:22):
You're Just Joining Us. They were married after some ten
years of marriage, they separated for five and a half years.
And Bill, I'm going to come to you because my
understanding is you're kind of the one that understands why
that separation occurred. Would you explain to our listeners what happened?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, So I think it's important to know that Vicky
and I are both Jewish, but only we were only
culturally Jewish. And the only time I ever went a
Temple growing up was when my dad wanted to take
me to a World Series game. I think I was ten.
It was during the High Holy Days, and my mom said,
if you're taking him to take him out of school
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to go to World's game, he's going to go to
Temple that morning. So we went to Temple, I went
to the World Series game, and so that was really
the only time I had gone to Temple in nineteen
eighty six. In nineteen eighty four, I opened a restaurant
called The Sporting Club, which quickly became the number one
sports bar in not only New York but the country,
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and there were women all over the place, there were
drugs all over the place, and I quickly succumbed to both.
And I was getting home like at four or five,
six in the morning, and we didn't really have a
marriage anymore. I wasn't interested. I was doing copious amounts
of drugs, cocaine, drinking. And that's when Vicky said, you know,
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I want to separate. I went out and I was
actually relieved, because it's kind of I felt like I
had freedom again. And that started our separation in nineteen
eighty six.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And at this point we had a one and a
half and a four year old, and actually I said
to Bill, I can't live like this anymore, and so
if you would get clean and then we could try
to put our marriage back together. Yeah, but would you
no idea what lay ahead?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Was he an addict at this point? Totally, no question,
no question. All right, So you guys separate and you
didn't want to do this, I understand, but you felt
like you had to do this.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I couldn't. I did not want to separate. I could
not imagine how I would live life without the man
I loved, but who was in total denial over his addiction,
and I didn't know what to do. And I thought
about it for maybe two years, constantly, just in my head,
over and over and over. How am I going to
live like this? How what are we going to do?
And finally I had no I felt like I had
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no choice and we separated.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Wow, and you are the one who takes care of
the kids at this point, Yes.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I was home with the kids. Billy moved out and
when he insisted I go back to work, and I
took a year to do that, and I went back
to work at Rhac and Company as a corporate buyer.
I'd had a career in retail pre before we had children,
and it was really hard.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You're able to sustain yourself, but it's difficult in New
York City with two kids. Yes, and yes, So let
me ask this, Vicky coming to you. Was this final
in your mind? Did you think the marriage was over
or did you still hold out some hope? During those
five years of separation.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I didn't have good I mean I didn't know what
was going to happen. I couldn't imagine that it would
get fixed. Billy was not interested at all in reconciling
or working on what he had to deal with and
I knew we couldn't go back to the way it was.
So I didn't know. I mean, I knew nothing about addiction.
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I knew nothing about addiction. I knew nothing about my
role as a codependent, extremely codependent person. And the day
that after Billy left, his mother took me to a
twelve step meeting, and for the first time in my life,
I heard other people talk about the similar things that
I was going through, and so my thoughts had been
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so jumbled and scattered before that, but by going to
these meetings, I started to learn about my role in
the whole situation. Because it takes two in a marriage,
it takes two to put it together to take it apart,
and so that started me on wondering. They talked about
this higher power. And while I'm Jewish, I had complicated,
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but I had grown up in the church from the
age of ten, so I believed in God but didn't
really know anything more about God that he was up there.
I was down here and that was about.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
It, and you're just trying to live day to day.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I was just trying to live day to day, and
going back to work was extremely challenging. Leaving. I left Courtney,
who is one A have three by then crying hysterically
on the stairs as I walked down the subway steps
and just not knowing what to do. I mean, I
was just so lost.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, you know, someone described addiction like a three legged stool.
You have the persecutor, who to the addict, makes them
feel like, oh, I've got to overcome this thing. But
then the attic has also a codependent person who keeps
everything making sense and working. And the only way you
can ever deal with this is for the person who
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is the codependent person to remove themselves from the situation
and force the stool to fall down exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And that's what we did. That's what we did, having
no idea if I knew it was going to be
a five and a half year journey. It's good that
I didn't know. I just I don't know that I
would have persevered. But as I went to the twelve
step program and then eventually invited to a dinner party
that Missus DeMoss hosted in This was nineteen eighty seven.
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By then I heard the gospel message for the first
time that God loved me and had a plan for
my life. That was for good, and that I was
separated from God by what the Bible calls sin. And
I was like, what is that? And it was anything
like gossip or worry or fear, of which I had
plenty of all of it, but that god only path
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to forgiveness for my sins was through his son Jesus Christ.
And that night they offered us an opportunity to pray
and receive Christ.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
And I did what happened inside or.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
In my heart at that moment, I knew something had changed.
I remember getting my coat out of the coat room.
It was November nineteen eighty seven. It was cold out,
I remember, and I was just I felt a lightness.
But I don't think I could have told you that
that night. I just knew something was different. And the
friend who'd invited me to that dinner gave me a
little book called Leading Little Ones to God. So I
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started reading it to our two children, Douglas and Courtney,
at breakfast, just to calm things down. I was getting
dressed for work, they had to get to preschool. It
was chaos, and so I started reading it and I
was learning along with them who God is and his
forgiveness for us. And one morning. Douglas was six years
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old by this time. He said, Mommy, we need to
pray for daddy to know Jesus. And I thought, pray
for the guy. I'd rather kill him, but.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Thankfully Jesus, of course.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, well, thankfully I didn't say that, and I agreed,
and so we started to pray for Bill Rose to
come to know Jesus. We started to pray at breakfast
every morning and as I tucked them into bed every night.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
So back on the ranch, Bill Rose, you guys didn't
get a divorce. Is that what I'm hearing?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
We did not separate, We did not get a divorce,
but I had hired the most high profile divorce attorney
you could find in the country, and we met with
the attorneys in his I think it was in his office.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Every time though we would go to meet with the attorney,
the person in that attorney's office would have left and
we would have had to start all over. So it
kept getting delayed.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Interestingly, so there is a plan in heaven that God oversees.
Oh yes, so Bill, Bill, we only got a minute
before we need to take a break. But you're pursuing divorce.
Vicky's come to faith in the Lord. They're starting to
pray for you. Are you sensing anything in your heart
to restore the marriage?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah? I thought you joined a cult, and I really did.
And it was like, we're sitting at there was a
there was a restaurant called the Lanes, pretty famous restaurant
in New York's not there anymore. And who's in a
Billy Joel's song too. Anyway, We're sitting there and Vicki's
telling me about her newfound faith. How if my father
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doesn't believe in God, he's going to hell, My mother
he's going I'm going to Hell. And I'm thinking, my
God's a lot more bid eval to this. And I
wanted no part of this.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Huh. So you are alienated from your wife. Your wife
has come to faith in the Lord. You think she's
in a cult and gone crazy nuts. And so what
I want to do when we come back is talk
about Bill Rose. What happened through prayer, I'm sure, but
what happened to your heart? That begins the journey for
you guys to move toward one another and not away
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from one another. I'm David Shadwick, News Talk eleven ten WBT,
will be right back.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You're calling me over.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
You're pulling me clothes. We'll blow your surround me.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
You give me.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
John Jake, Well, there's always token, there's always new life
that can occur. And this show today is surposeful to
get all of your marriages out there and your individual's
lives great hope in the Lord. Howeveryone, I'm David Chadwick
and this is News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine three WBT.
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Welcome back to the show. In case you are just
joining us, Bill and Vicki Rose are my guests. Bill
is last week Guess, partial owner of the New York Yankees,
talked about baseball last week so much fun. But today Vicky,
his wife, is the star of the show. Really. She
has a book that she's written entitled Every Reason to Leave.
They have shared their lives and their marriage. How after
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some number of years together they separated, and they separated
for five years, never got a divorce. But Vicki during
that time period comes to faith in the Lord Jesus.
That changes her heart. Bill those still involved with sports
and sports bars that he owns in New York City. Bill,
Vicky's come to faith. You're having a party time of
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your life. How do you change what touches your heart.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Vicky kept inviting me to these dinners that were given
by Nancy DeMoss, and I went to one. There was
a classical guitarist there, and you know, if you know
anything about me, taking me to a classical guitarist was
just not a great idea. And so I'm out this
dinner and he's talking and playing, and I remember going
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into the bathroom doing another hit a coke and just
saying I'm out of here. And I left. But then
she invited me to a luncheon where Bobby Richardson was
speaking and for those who.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Don't know, former second baseman for the New York Yankees
back in the fifties and sixties and a great man
of God.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, and my hero growing up played second base War
number one, let off. I did all those things. Uh,
when I played, I switch hit the only difference. And
so I heard Bobby speak and he was he was great,
and I was introduced to him and we spoke for
a while. He actually came back with me to the
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Sporting Club to continue talking to me and prayed for me.
I still was not ready to pray with him, but
it was It was certainly a big time seed that
that God was.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Planning something is stirring in your heart.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Something.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah. Meanwhile, there's an army of the people at my
Bible study that I was now attending, praying for our marriage,
which is what started to change my heart.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Interesting, okay, Bill, what happened next?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
So you know, I I'd wake up on a Sunday
morning so totally hungover, you needing to I need. I
needed to do or hit a coke in the middle
of the night to feel normal and go back to sleep,
which sounds really counterintuitive.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But that's the way it was.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
And I I ordered watching a tele evangelist on TV
on Sunday mornings and I know who it was, and I.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Don't if you want me to say, well, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
It was Jerry Fowell.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
And I think God uses all kinds of different instruments
for his.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Purpose, absolutely, And he'd be walking up and down the stage,
speaking in tongues and everything, and it was kind of entertaining.
But I was listening to it. Something had me watch him,
and I got down on my knees next to my
bed and I just prayed, Lord God. I didn't know,
but I said, I need to do something different. This
is just this is not working. And so Vicky invited
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me to a Christmas dinner that Nancy DeMoss was giving
in December of ninety Is that right? And it was
at that dinner I just heard a testimony that really
struck my heart, brought me to tears, and that night
I prayed to receive Jesus.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Wow, and your life begins to change, Vicky. Behind the scenes,
people are praying for Bill. Do you start seeing this
change in him as you guys are interacting and are
you starting to move a little away from divorce but
toward one another?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Well, what happened before that is I had started to
read the Bible and God's word is so clear about
marriage and that He's put us together and he gives
us an out. And we had that out. But I
did not feel a piece about moving forward. And I
said to the Lord, Okay, I give this to you
whatever you want to. If you want me to stay
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single and separated from Bill for the rest of my life,
I'll do that. If you want to put us back together,
you'll have to do it. I'll do that. And so
my heart was changing along with Bill's heart changing, and
Bill when he started writing me, oh, I guess. He
had come one night over to see the kids, and
I gave him a Bible and he actually took it.
I remember that. And he started writing me these long,
(26:00):
long letters about he knew his life was in the
wrong place and he was starting to think that maybe
God could make a difference. And so I started. I
knew my heart was changing because God, through God's word,
he says he hates divorce, and he does because I
can testify now that we haven't been divorced, how amazingly
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amazing our marriage is now. But we had to walk
through all these hard things to get there. And so
knowing God's word and reading it and praying it made
the change for me and changed my heart toward back
towards Bill.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
So, Bill, you've come to faith in the Lord now,
and you're moving back toward VICKI what was it that
finally brought you two back together?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I just, I mean, I felt in my heart I
was ready and I wanted her back. But I also
knew I had to get rid of this cocaine deal
what was going through. So I went to this rehab
in New York named Gracie Square. I think it's still there.
I'm not even sure. And I used to go through
these terrible withdrawals when I tried to stop on my
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own and couldn't, and I was really scared about that
because they wouldn't go away. And so that first night
I start to go through these withdrawals and I just
got down on my knees next to my bed and
I said, Lord, you got to take this away from me.
I can't deal with this. And I am telling you, David,
that with an instant the withdrawals had left. It was gone.
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I felt incredible, and I remember going knocking on the
Councilor's door. This is the first day I was there,
and I said, I think I'm good. I think I
can go home, and he said, well, you may want
to stick the week out anyway. So I did and
haven't had haven't had issues with cocaine since.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Wow. So the Lord took away all of your cocaine
desires instantaneous.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Amazingly.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yes, there was an army of us praying, praying as well,
on our knees, on our face for him going into rehab,
knowing that he needed the Lord and that he needed
God's intervention.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Well, I do believe John three to three Jesus said,
you must be born again. But what that born again
experience is is you have now a heart and a
desire for God and not the things of this world
that destroy. So Vicky, how do you come back together?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So he went into rehab and we started sort of
dating and we went to church together every Sunday as
a fam.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Now you're five years of separation and all this stor.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
At this point, right, and we started seeing a counselor.
So it was so interesting. We were at church one
morning and there was a guest preacher and I had
briefly met this preacher and his wife, and I vaguely
remembered something about him. And I turned to Billy in
the middle of the sermon and I said, I think
this guy would talk to us and help would counsel us.
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And so Billy said, yeah, I would talk to him.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah. So it turned out he was actually the chaplain
for the New York Yankees.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I had no idea know that God just before us,
what step.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
By step he orders your steps is what the Bible says,
and he did, and all your ways honor him, and
he will make your path straight. And that's what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
So Suburbs three, five and six, trussed in the Lord
all your heart.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You come back together, and are you remarried? Is that
what happens? We never divorced, Oh, you never divorced. You
didn't go through another service of renewal or recommitment.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
We did not, which we did later.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Later, we did later, Yes, but at this point you
moved back list.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
So it took a year from when Bill prayed to
receive Christ. It was a year from he went to rehab,
and we spent some heavy counseling times and which we
desperately needed. And I can't tell any listener more that
counseling in marriage is a wonderful thing and so helpful
and we would not be sitting here today if we
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hadn't had godly wise counselors around us.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Right, But you need to find a Christian counselor because
you've got to be on the same page.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
And it counsels you from a spirit ual slash biblical.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Absolutely, Because you get a secular counselor, you know the
divorce is the norm.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Well, you are body, soul and spirit. And what makes
Christian marriage so unique as when that spirit is born again,
you then unite in the spirit. And I think that's
what Jesus meant when he said, what God has joined together,
no person can separate because God is spirit, he doesn't
have a flesh and blood body. And when he binds
people together, glues people together spiritually, no person can ever
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separate you. So you're back together and you're living together,
VICKI is that right? After a year after year after
a year?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Okay, And why don't you want to tell the story
about the suitcases?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
So, yes, it's a great way to Yes. Billy came home.
That next week or so. Douglas, who was then nine,
wrote a paper he was in fourth grade. It was
called the Best Day Ever. It was about coming home
from school one afternoon and finding front hall filled with
suitcase is because Daddy had come home.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Daddy'd come home.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And a week later we celebrated Courtney's birthday. We took
her to a show and as we were tucking her
into bed and praying, she said, you know, mommy, God
can do anything. She was seven years old. She said,
God can do anything. I said, well, you're right, but
what do you mean She said, if God could bring
Daddy home, which was never going to happen, he can
do anything.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Woo. The book is Every Reason to Ly by Vicki Rose.
When we come back, let's talk about some practical marriage
tips to people who might be in your situation. And
by the way, if you write a sequel, I've got
a title, Daddy Came Home. I'm David Chadwick will be
right back. And the place he's alive is in our
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hearts to believe in him and folks, he can do
anything and everything if you just believe. Hi, everyone, I'm
David Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven ten, nine
ninety three WBT. If you'd like to hear this show
in its entirety, go to WBT dot com, scroll down
to the weekend shows, look for the David Chadwick Show
and you can hear it from beginning to end. You'll
really want to because it's so powerful. Bill and Vicki
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Rose with me in studio. Vicki's book is entitled Every
Reason to Leave and Vicki. I assume people can get
this via Amazon and other places like that, so please
order it. It's a great story of how God can
redeem anything. So Bill and Vicki had separated for five years,
God worked in Bill's heart brought him to faith in Jesus,
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as he did you, VICKI, you come back together again
in a miraculous encounter where Bill's cocaine addiction was delivered
from him by the Lord. And were there any now
bumps that you're back together with your two children?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
VICKI, well, yes, it was. I'm not sure the timeline.
Maybe a year or so later we were Bill's dad
had gotten sick and we were on vacation, and I
was hurting for time alone with my husband. Inappropriately, I
was angry that we had to leave our vacation and
go home and take care of his dad, which was
the right to do. So we had to fly back.
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We were in Maine. We had to fly back to
New York City. We took care of his dad, and
then we flew back to Maine to get our car
and pick up our children in camp and Billy I
was driving at the time because he'd hurt his knee,
and he looked at me and he said, I just
don't think this thing's going to really work, meaning our marriage.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Oh a doubt came out.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I'm driving on a little back road. I swerved the car,
slammed on the break and I said, look, you know,
I thought we made a commitment that no matter what
we face, we are together till death do us part.
I said, I've made that commitment, but I don't think
you have. And there was a long pause. He said,
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you're right, but I want to make it now, and
he made that commitment now.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah. So I mean, I will tell everybody out there
that marriage is a commitment. It's not a feeling. Because
some days you feel like you're in love, other days
you feel like you're not so much in love. I mean,
it happens, it's normal day to day stuff, but it
is an absolute commitment to your wife that you will
never leave her forsakere.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Well, Billy, you and VICKI now have been married forty
eight years. Marylynd and I forty seven years, And I
tell families marriages all the time. The most important thing
you've got to realize in marriage is the back doors
locked from the outside. You can't get out. And if
you're willing to do that, then you'll find ways to
make it work. And Bill, you're so right. It's not
a feeling. They go up and down, they change all
the time. It is based on that covenant is really
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the biblical word. I'm not leaving, so let's figure this
thing out.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
And I thank God for his word that kept us
together because here we are married forty eight years. My
husband is the man of God, the leader of our family,
and the man that I knew was still stuck in there,
and we could have ended up divorced, But how awful
that would have been for our family, for our children.
Now is a family together. We got to celebrate two
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high school graduations all together, two college graduations staying there
all together to God honoring weddings. Both our children married
within three months of each other, all together, and now
we get to we got to be at the birth
of our grandchildren together instead of remarried or you know,
all the things that divorce brings. And we are both
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so grateful that we have each other, that we get
to be together, that we get to be here in
North Carolina with our whole family and experience God's chapter
of this part of our lives, which is so sweet,
It is so worth everything we walked through. I can
only encourage people in a hard marriage that God uses
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it to sanctify us. He taught me in the process
to seek first his Kingdom and his righteousness, and that
if I would do that, then God would do the rest.
He would provide everything that we needed. And God has
so faithfully kept his part of the promise, as I've
you know, humbly, feebly tried to seek Him first. And
again we are just so grateful that we are still together.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
So to those who are listening who might have marriage problems,
the first thing you would say to them is seek
first the Kingdom of God exactly, that is the most
important thing, and then trust God that he'll supply the
other stuff, Dicky.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
And then the next thing I would say is to
read God's Word every day. And Billy and I each
get a new one year Bible each year of some sort,
and we read through and we talk about it during
the day, like what did you hear? And now we
text each other every morning with something that we got
when we read our Bible that morning.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Well, sometimes people say, oh, marriages in America, one out
of two end up in divorce, but that's not true
for Christian marriages. Studies from secular places like Harvard and
other places as well, say that couples that pray together,
read God's Word together, worship together, and serve together. If
they'll do those four things, the divorce race like one
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out of over twelve hundred marriages. So you're developing the
spiritual side of your relationship. Again, we said last segment
that which God has joined together, no person can ever separate. Yea.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
So we we pray together every night before we go
to sleep, out loud to each other, not silently, out loud.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
And with each other to God, each with.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Each other to God. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Well that's the Matthew eighteen nineteen, when two are joined together,
and we.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Do the same thing every morning. Vicky usually gets up
before I do, but once she hears the bedroom door
open again, she'll come back in into bed and we'll
just hold each other and pray, pray to God again,
you know, for the for the day, and to just
thank them and give Him the day. And then we
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pray for healing for people. We pray together for salvation
for friends. But we do this twice a day every day.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And we pray with the full armor of God around
us every morning, and our morning prayers we have our
little hand motions.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
We pray from Ephesian six, verses ten through twenty.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yes, we cover ourselves with the belt of truth, in
the breastplate of righteousness.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Helmet of salvacious shoe, shout of the Gospel of peace,
take up.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Our shield of faith and the sword of the Spirit,
and choose. We choose with your help Lord, to stand firm.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, and you pray for all the Saints, all times,
for all things. And that just basically means keep praying,
and that joins you together spiritually, Bill, real quickly, you
mentioned it before, but let's say one more time. And
counselors who are biblically focused are really helpful in helping
you determine what you need to do to get healthy again.
They are.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
And I used to I used to hate going to counseling.
I mean it was because I was always wrong. But
I went. I stuck it out, and you know, it's
a place to really say what you're feeling and to
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let it out. It is hard, I mean, because they
make you look at your wife and she has to
look at me, and we say what we're fraid to
say at home. But my gosh, it works. I mean,
it's a big time deal.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
It really does, VICKI.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
And one other thing I really want to talk about
is forgiveness because Jesus tells us to forgive without limit.
And a close friend and prayer partner that I've had
for thirty years says, a good marriage is with two forgivers,
two good forgivers. And God's word has versus all of it.
Forgive one another as Jesus has forgiven us. And we
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can't not forgive because if you're in Christ, you have
to forgive, because that's what God's word says.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah, there are so many times that I don't feel
like I want to forgive, but I know Christ forgives
me a thousand times a day. So how do I
say no to that?
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Such a great point and alas remind all our listeners
as well. Forgiveness is a command, but it only takes one.
Reconciliation takes two. And you guys have not only forgiven
one another for the ways you've hurt each other, but
you have been reconciled in the Lord, and He has
given you this new life together. Vicki and Bill Rose
Vicky's book entitled Every Reason to Leave. It's on Amazon. Folks,
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get it and make sure your marriages are whole and
all that God wants them to be. Bill and Vickie
thank you for your time together today and everyone listening.
Please make sure you love the Lord with all your heart's, soul,
mind and mind, and you love your neighbor, especially your spouse,
as yourself. Again, do these two things. You have a
lifetime's worth of work to do. I'm David Chadwick. Talk
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with you all next week.
Ivery one. I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk
eleven ten, ninety ninety three WBT. Welcome to the show.
In case you don't know, this is a faith and
values program here on WBT that's been airing now for
over twenty five years. It's been a pleasure doing this
every weekend. I thank you for listening, and many thanks
to Perry's Find Jewelry for your sponsorship of the show.
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Without you, I could not do this on a weekly basis. Well,
this is kind of a part two from last week.
If you listened to last week, you know my guest
was Bill Rose. Bill is a partial owner of the
New York Yankees. We had a fun time just talking
about his life, his experiences in sports, him also being
an agent who has other athletes he oversees in their
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sports endeavors. So we're following up that show last week
inviting now his wife, Vicki, to be a part of
the show. She's more of the spotlight this week, but
both are here in studio with me. Vicky has written
a book entitled Every Reason to Leave. It's a book
about her marriage to Bill. It's a very open, raw,
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candid experience of their lives together and one time when
they thought their marriage was over, and how the Lord
Jesus brought them back together. So for any marriage out
there that's struggling, I'm hoping that this show will be
a way for you to realize there's still hope in
your marriage, that the Lord can rekindle love within your
hearts and allow you to stay together for many, many years,
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like Bill and Vickie have done so. Bill, first of all,
welcome back to the show. Good to have you here.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Thanks, David, good to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah. The world series. Wow, what a world series this
has been. I think many of us thought the Dodgers
might even sweep the Toronto Blue Jays.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, the Blue Jays have done to the Dodgers what
they did to the Yankees. They are Nickel and diamoning
them to death. Their managers are managing with their gut,
not through a computer, and it's sort of a pleasure
to see the difference. The Shavitz they let in for
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seven innings last night and on Wednesday night and snell
through one hundred and sixteen pitches, which is something you
just don't see normally.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah. Well, by the time this is aired, you folks
listening will know who the World Series champion is. But
right now Toronto's up three to two and it's an
amazing experience to watch that occurring. Bill's wife, Vicky, is
also in studio with me. Vicky, welcome. It's good to
have you here as well.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Thanks so much, David, I'm so glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Well, Vicky, let me start with you. How did you
and Bill meet and what caused you to fall in
love and get married and all of that.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, that's actually really his part of the story.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
How we met Bill, you want to jump in.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I was with a friend of mine and walking towards
my parents' apartment and I saw this girl come out,
and I thought she was really cute. And he happened
to know her name because he went to school up
in Boston and had seen her, and so I recognized
the last name, which was Gage. And I said to
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my mom, is any really to our friend? Your friend
Sue Gage? And it was her niece. But she said,
you know, don't don't bother calling because she's going out
with some guy down the village and and it's.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Just, you know, forget it.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So I forgot it for a year. A year later,
her aunt calls my mom and says, they broke up,
have them call.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And that's because I called my aunt when I broke
up with my college boyfriend, and I said, if that guy,
whomever he was, is still interested, I'm available.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So at that point, you didn't know who he was, nothing,
what he looked like, or anything like a clue. Okay,
So Bill, you call her and you guys start to date.
Is that correct? That is correct? Okay? And how long
did you date before the answer to the question became yes,
I want to marry you.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well, we met in October, the end of October, and
I knew nothing about baseball, and I knew nothing about
what lay ahead with someone who's passionate about baseball. And
so October, November, December, January, firbrue March spring training started,
and by then I knew that this is the guy
I wanted to marry. And then we met baseball. And
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that first summer we dated, I went to seventy seven
zero New York Yankee home games.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Oh my goodness. And you really didn't care about baseball
at that point. You just cared about Bill.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I had never been to a game. I had never
been to a baseball game in my life.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, so she went to seventy eighty one home games,
to which I say, she really wanted the ring.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And to what she says, I say, it worked because
I'm still here.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And you're not talking about a World Series championship.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No, no, no, I know wedding ring you wanted.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So you and Bill meet and fall in love. And
if he didn't catch this last weekend, I don't know
if we mentioned it, but Bill is a partial owner
of the New York Yankees, and so that's why he
loves the Yankees so much, and that's why the Yankees
baseball games occurred. So what ear did you get married?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
We got married in nineteen seventy seven, February fourth, nineteen
seventy seven. So we've been married for forty eight years.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Wow, and you have how many children?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
We have two children, they are both married, and we
have six grandchildren.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Heay, grandchildren? Yes, love grand.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
What has brought us here to Charlotte, North Carolina?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, and you guys have again been married for these
forty eight years. But it's not always been a great road,
a smooth path that you've walked along.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
It has not. It has not been a great we
had some very major bumps, and in fact, we were
separated in nineteen eighty six after almost ten years of marriage.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Married ten years, separated, separated for how long?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Five and a half years?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So listen, everyone, five and a half years of separation,
and what I want to do in the next segment
is to get into how in the world did you
begin to overcome all of the barriers that caused the
separation and why did you move back toward one another
and indeed recover your marriage to the point now it
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is forty eight years and keep moving forward. So that's
what I want to talk about when we come back.
And Bill and Vicki Rose are my guest today. Vicky's
book is Every Reason to Leave, and she had every
reason to leave in the five and a half years
of their separation, but they chose to renew their vowels
to recover their marriage, and I want to talk about
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that today. What were the issues that caused you to
be able to come back together again? And maybe that's
something that someone here listening right now needs to hear
that you can, through God's help, recover the wedding vowels
that you made and have hope for your marriage I'm
David Chadwick. This as News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine
three WBT. We will be right back. Hi everyone, I'm
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David Chadwick and Bill Rose is my guest, the one
with his wife, Dicky Bill, a partial owner of the
New York Yankee. Bill, what in the world is that
song that's coming back right now?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
That song was like back from the sixties or seventies.
It was played on the radio and it's still played occasionally.
But it was one of our little jingles that was
on the air.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
But now the song still, isn't it? Frank Sinatra and
New York, New York played all the time?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It is? It is, so we used to only play Sinatra.
I don't know what we do now. We used to
only play Sinatra New York, New York after we won
a game, and they would play somebody else's version if
we lost.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, that's a good insight. I didn't know that well.
My guest today, Bill and Vicki Rose. Bill again is
a partial owner of the Yankees. He was my guest
last week talking about his sports agency and some of
the things he does there. The state of baseball today,
we talked about that as well. But I wanted Vicky
to come this week with him to talk about her
book that she wrote called Every Reason to Leave If
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You're Just Joining Us. They were married after some ten
years of marriage, they separated for five and a half years.
And Bill, I'm going to come to you because my
understanding is you're kind of the one that understands why
that separation occurred. Would you explain to our listeners what happened?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, So I think it's important to know that Vicky
and I are both Jewish, but only we were only
culturally Jewish. And the only time I ever went a
Temple growing up was when my dad wanted to take
me to a World Series game. I think I was ten.
It was during the High Holy Days, and my mom said,
if you're taking him to take him out of school
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to go to World's game, he's going to go to
Temple that morning. So we went to Temple, I went
to the World Series game, and so that was really
the only time I had gone to Temple in nineteen
eighty six. In nineteen eighty four, I opened a restaurant
called The Sporting Club, which quickly became the number one
sports bar in not only New York but the country,
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and there were women all over the place, there were
drugs all over the place, and I quickly succumbed to both.
And I was getting home like at four or five,
six in the morning, and we didn't really have a
marriage anymore. I wasn't interested. I was doing copious amounts
of drugs, cocaine, drinking. And that's when Vicky said, you know,
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I want to separate. I went out and I was
actually relieved, because it's kind of I felt like I
had freedom again. And that started our separation in nineteen
eighty six.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And at this point we had a one and a
half and a four year old, and actually I said
to Bill, I can't live like this anymore, and so
if you would get clean and then we could try
to put our marriage back together. Yeah, but would you
no idea what lay ahead?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Was he an addict at this point? Totally, no question,
no question. All right, So you guys separate and you
didn't want to do this, I understand, but you felt
like you had to do this.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I couldn't. I did not want to separate. I could
not imagine how I would live life without the man
I loved, but who was in total denial over his addiction,
and I didn't know what to do. And I thought
about it for maybe two years, constantly, just in my head,
over and over and over. How am I going to
live like this? How what are we going to do?
And finally I had no I felt like I had
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no choice and we separated.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Wow, and you are the one who takes care of
the kids at this point, Yes.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I was home with the kids. Billy moved out and
when he insisted I go back to work, and I
took a year to do that, and I went back
to work at Rhac and Company as a corporate buyer.
I'd had a career in retail pre before we had children,
and it was really hard.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You're able to sustain yourself, but it's difficult in New
York City with two kids. Yes, and yes, So let
me ask this, Vicky coming to you. Was this final
in your mind? Did you think the marriage was over
or did you still hold out some hope? During those
five years of separation.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I didn't have good I mean I didn't know what
was going to happen. I couldn't imagine that it would
get fixed. Billy was not interested at all in reconciling
or working on what he had to deal with and
I knew we couldn't go back to the way it was.
So I didn't know. I mean, I knew nothing about addiction.
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I knew nothing about addiction. I knew nothing about my
role as a codependent, extremely codependent person. And the day
that after Billy left, his mother took me to a
twelve step meeting, and for the first time in my life,
I heard other people talk about the similar things that
I was going through, and so my thoughts had been
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so jumbled and scattered before that, but by going to
these meetings, I started to learn about my role in
the whole situation. Because it takes two in a marriage,
it takes two to put it together to take it apart,
and so that started me on wondering. They talked about
this higher power. And while I'm Jewish, I had complicated,
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but I had grown up in the church from the
age of ten, so I believed in God but didn't
really know anything more about God that he was up there.
I was down here and that was about.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
It, and you're just trying to live day to day.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I was just trying to live day to day, and
going back to work was extremely challenging. Leaving. I left Courtney,
who is one A have three by then crying hysterically
on the stairs as I walked down the subway steps
and just not knowing what to do. I mean, I
was just so lost.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, you know, someone described addiction like a three legged stool.
You have the persecutor, who to the addict, makes them
feel like, oh, I've got to overcome this thing. But
then the attic has also a codependent person who keeps
everything making sense and working. And the only way you
can ever deal with this is for the person who
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is the codependent person to remove themselves from the situation
and force the stool to fall down exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And that's what we did. That's what we did, having
no idea if I knew it was going to be
a five and a half year journey. It's good that
I didn't know. I just I don't know that I
would have persevered. But as I went to the twelve
step program and then eventually invited to a dinner party
that Missus DeMoss hosted in This was nineteen eighty seven.
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By then I heard the gospel message for the first
time that God loved me and had a plan for
my life. That was for good, and that I was
separated from God by what the Bible calls sin. And
I was like, what is that? And it was anything
like gossip or worry or fear, of which I had
plenty of all of it, but that god only path
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to forgiveness for my sins was through his son Jesus Christ.
And that night they offered us an opportunity to pray
and receive Christ.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
And I did what happened inside or.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
In my heart at that moment, I knew something had changed.
I remember getting my coat out of the coat room.
It was November nineteen eighty seven. It was cold out,
I remember, and I was just I felt a lightness.
But I don't think I could have told you that
that night. I just knew something was different. And the
friend who'd invited me to that dinner gave me a
little book called Leading Little Ones to God. So I
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started reading it to our two children, Douglas and Courtney,
at breakfast, just to calm things down. I was getting
dressed for work, they had to get to preschool. It
was chaos, and so I started reading it and I
was learning along with them who God is and his
forgiveness for us. And one morning. Douglas was six years
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old by this time. He said, Mommy, we need to
pray for daddy to know Jesus. And I thought, pray
for the guy. I'd rather kill him, but.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Thankfully Jesus, of course.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, well, thankfully I didn't say that, and I agreed,
and so we started to pray for Bill Rose to
come to know Jesus. We started to pray at breakfast
every morning and as I tucked them into bed every night.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
So back on the ranch, Bill Rose, you guys didn't
get a divorce. Is that what I'm hearing?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
We did not separate, We did not get a divorce,
but I had hired the most high profile divorce attorney
you could find in the country, and we met with
the attorneys in his I think it was in his office.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Every time though we would go to meet with the attorney,
the person in that attorney's office would have left and
we would have had to start all over. So it
kept getting delayed.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Interestingly, so there is a plan in heaven that God oversees.
Oh yes, so Bill, Bill, we only got a minute
before we need to take a break. But you're pursuing divorce.
Vicky's come to faith in the Lord. They're starting to
pray for you. Are you sensing anything in your heart
to restore the marriage?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah? I thought you joined a cult, and I really did.
And it was like, we're sitting at there was a
there was a restaurant called the Lanes, pretty famous restaurant
in New York's not there anymore. And who's in a
Billy Joel's song too. Anyway, We're sitting there and Vicki's
telling me about her newfound faith. How if my father
(18:52):
doesn't believe in God, he's going to hell, My mother
he's going I'm going to Hell. And I'm thinking, my
God's a lot more bid eval to this. And I
wanted no part of this.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Huh. So you are alienated from your wife. Your wife
has come to faith in the Lord. You think she's
in a cult and gone crazy nuts. And so what
I want to do when we come back is talk
about Bill Rose. What happened through prayer, I'm sure, but
what happened to your heart? That begins the journey for
you guys to move toward one another and not away
(19:23):
from one another. I'm David Shadwick, News Talk eleven ten WBT,
will be right back.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You're calling me over.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
You're pulling me clothes. We'll blow your surround me.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
You give me.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
John Jake, Well, there's always token, there's always new life
that can occur. And this show today is surposeful to
get all of your marriages out there and your individual's
lives great hope in the Lord. Howeveryone, I'm David Chadwick
and this is News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine three WBT.
(21:26):
Welcome back to the show. In case you are just
joining us, Bill and Vicki Rose are my guests. Bill
is last week Guess, partial owner of the New York Yankees,
talked about baseball last week so much fun. But today Vicky,
his wife, is the star of the show. Really. She
has a book that she's written entitled Every Reason to Leave.
They have shared their lives and their marriage. How after
(21:48):
some number of years together they separated, and they separated
for five years, never got a divorce. But Vicki during
that time period comes to faith in the Lord Jesus.
That changes her heart. Bill those still involved with sports
and sports bars that he owns in New York City. Bill,
Vicky's come to faith. You're having a party time of
(22:09):
your life. How do you change what touches your heart.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Vicky kept inviting me to these dinners that were given
by Nancy DeMoss, and I went to one. There was
a classical guitarist there, and you know, if you know
anything about me, taking me to a classical guitarist was
just not a great idea. And so I'm out this
dinner and he's talking and playing, and I remember going
(22:37):
into the bathroom doing another hit a coke and just
saying I'm out of here. And I left. But then
she invited me to a luncheon where Bobby Richardson was
speaking and for those who.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Don't know, former second baseman for the New York Yankees
back in the fifties and sixties and a great man
of God.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, and my hero growing up played second base War
number one, let off. I did all those things. Uh,
when I played, I switch hit the only difference. And
so I heard Bobby speak and he was he was great,
and I was introduced to him and we spoke for
a while. He actually came back with me to the
(23:14):
Sporting Club to continue talking to me and prayed for me.
I still was not ready to pray with him, but
it was It was certainly a big time seed that
that God was.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Planning something is stirring in your heart.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Something.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah. Meanwhile, there's an army of the people at my
Bible study that I was now attending, praying for our marriage,
which is what started to change my heart.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Interesting, okay, Bill, what happened next?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
So you know, I I'd wake up on a Sunday
morning so totally hungover, you needing to I need. I
needed to do or hit a coke in the middle
of the night to feel normal and go back to sleep,
which sounds really counterintuitive.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But that's the way it was.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
And I I ordered watching a tele evangelist on TV
on Sunday mornings and I know who it was, and I.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Don't if you want me to say, well, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
It was Jerry Fowell.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
And I think God uses all kinds of different instruments
for his.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Purpose, absolutely, And he'd be walking up and down the stage,
speaking in tongues and everything, and it was kind of entertaining.
But I was listening to it. Something had me watch him,
and I got down on my knees next to my
bed and I just prayed, Lord God. I didn't know,
but I said, I need to do something different. This
is just this is not working. And so Vicky invited
(24:43):
me to a Christmas dinner that Nancy DeMoss was giving
in December of ninety Is that right? And it was
at that dinner I just heard a testimony that really
struck my heart, brought me to tears, and that night
I prayed to receive Jesus.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Wow, and your life begins to change, Vicky. Behind the scenes,
people are praying for Bill. Do you start seeing this
change in him as you guys are interacting and are
you starting to move a little away from divorce but
toward one another?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Well, what happened before that is I had started to
read the Bible and God's word is so clear about
marriage and that He's put us together and he gives
us an out. And we had that out. But I
did not feel a piece about moving forward. And I
said to the Lord, Okay, I give this to you
whatever you want to. If you want me to stay
(25:35):
single and separated from Bill for the rest of my life,
I'll do that. If you want to put us back together,
you'll have to do it. I'll do that. And so
my heart was changing along with Bill's heart changing, and
Bill when he started writing me, oh, I guess. He
had come one night over to see the kids, and
I gave him a Bible and he actually took it.
I remember that. And he started writing me these long,
(26:00):
long letters about he knew his life was in the
wrong place and he was starting to think that maybe
God could make a difference. And so I started. I
knew my heart was changing because God, through God's word,
he says he hates divorce, and he does because I
can testify now that we haven't been divorced, how amazingly
(26:20):
amazing our marriage is now. But we had to walk
through all these hard things to get there. And so
knowing God's word and reading it and praying it made
the change for me and changed my heart toward back
towards Bill.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
So, Bill, you've come to faith in the Lord now,
and you're moving back toward VICKI what was it that
finally brought you two back together?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I just, I mean, I felt in my heart I
was ready and I wanted her back. But I also
knew I had to get rid of this cocaine deal
what was going through. So I went to this rehab
in New York named Gracie Square. I think it's still there.
I'm not even sure. And I used to go through
these terrible withdrawals when I tried to stop on my
(27:05):
own and couldn't, and I was really scared about that
because they wouldn't go away. And so that first night
I start to go through these withdrawals and I just
got down on my knees next to my bed and
I said, Lord, you got to take this away from me.
I can't deal with this. And I am telling you, David,
that with an instant the withdrawals had left. It was gone.
(27:30):
I felt incredible, and I remember going knocking on the
Councilor's door. This is the first day I was there,
and I said, I think I'm good. I think I
can go home, and he said, well, you may want
to stick the week out anyway. So I did and
haven't had haven't had issues with cocaine since.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Wow. So the Lord took away all of your cocaine
desires instantaneous.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Amazingly.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yes, there was an army of us praying, praying as well,
on our knees, on our face for him going into rehab,
knowing that he needed the Lord and that he needed
God's intervention.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Well, I do believe John three to three Jesus said,
you must be born again. But what that born again
experience is is you have now a heart and a
desire for God and not the things of this world
that destroy. So Vicky, how do you come back together?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So he went into rehab and we started sort of
dating and we went to church together every Sunday as
a fam.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Now you're five years of separation and all this stor.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
At this point, right, and we started seeing a counselor.
So it was so interesting. We were at church one
morning and there was a guest preacher and I had
briefly met this preacher and his wife, and I vaguely
remembered something about him. And I turned to Billy in
the middle of the sermon and I said, I think
this guy would talk to us and help would counsel us.
(28:53):
And so Billy said, yeah, I would talk to him.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah. So it turned out he was actually the chaplain
for the New York Yankees.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I had no idea know that God just before us,
what step.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
By step he orders your steps is what the Bible says,
and he did, and all your ways honor him, and
he will make your path straight. And that's what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
So Suburbs three, five and six, trussed in the Lord
all your heart.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You come back together, and are you remarried? Is that
what happens? We never divorced, Oh, you never divorced. You
didn't go through another service of renewal or recommitment.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
We did not, which we did later.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Later, we did later, Yes, but at this point you
moved back list.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
So it took a year from when Bill prayed to
receive Christ. It was a year from he went to rehab,
and we spent some heavy counseling times and which we
desperately needed. And I can't tell any listener more that
counseling in marriage is a wonderful thing and so helpful
and we would not be sitting here today if we
(29:52):
hadn't had godly wise counselors around us.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Right, But you need to find a Christian counselor because
you've got to be on the same page.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
And it counsels you from a spirit ual slash biblical.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Absolutely, Because you get a secular counselor, you know the
divorce is the norm.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Well, you are body, soul and spirit. And what makes
Christian marriage so unique as when that spirit is born again,
you then unite in the spirit. And I think that's
what Jesus meant when he said, what God has joined together,
no person can separate because God is spirit, he doesn't
have a flesh and blood body. And when he binds
people together, glues people together spiritually, no person can ever
(30:29):
separate you. So you're back together and you're living together,
VICKI is that right? After a year after year after
a year?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Okay, And why don't you want to tell the story
about the suitcases?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
So, yes, it's a great way to Yes. Billy came home.
That next week or so. Douglas, who was then nine,
wrote a paper he was in fourth grade. It was
called the Best Day Ever. It was about coming home
from school one afternoon and finding front hall filled with
suitcase is because Daddy had come home.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Daddy'd come home.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And a week later we celebrated Courtney's birthday. We took
her to a show and as we were tucking her
into bed and praying, she said, you know, mommy, God
can do anything. She was seven years old. She said,
God can do anything. I said, well, you're right, but
what do you mean She said, if God could bring
Daddy home, which was never going to happen, he can
do anything.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Woo. The book is Every Reason to Ly by Vicki Rose.
When we come back, let's talk about some practical marriage
tips to people who might be in your situation. And
by the way, if you write a sequel, I've got
a title, Daddy Came Home. I'm David Chadwick will be
right back. And the place he's alive is in our
(33:43):
hearts to believe in him and folks, he can do
anything and everything if you just believe. Hi, everyone, I'm
David Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven ten, nine
ninety three WBT. If you'd like to hear this show
in its entirety, go to WBT dot com, scroll down
to the weekend shows, look for the David Chadwick Show
and you can hear it from beginning to end. You'll
really want to because it's so powerful. Bill and Vicki
(34:06):
Rose with me in studio. Vicki's book is entitled Every
Reason to Leave and Vicki. I assume people can get
this via Amazon and other places like that, so please
order it. It's a great story of how God can
redeem anything. So Bill and Vicki had separated for five years,
God worked in Bill's heart brought him to faith in Jesus,
(34:27):
as he did you, VICKI, you come back together again
in a miraculous encounter where Bill's cocaine addiction was delivered
from him by the Lord. And were there any now
bumps that you're back together with your two children?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
VICKI, well, yes, it was. I'm not sure the timeline.
Maybe a year or so later we were Bill's dad
had gotten sick and we were on vacation, and I
was hurting for time alone with my husband. Inappropriately, I
was angry that we had to leave our vacation and
go home and take care of his dad, which was
the right to do. So we had to fly back.
(35:02):
We were in Maine. We had to fly back to
New York City. We took care of his dad, and
then we flew back to Maine to get our car
and pick up our children in camp and Billy I
was driving at the time because he'd hurt his knee,
and he looked at me and he said, I just
don't think this thing's going to really work, meaning our marriage.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Oh a doubt came out.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I'm driving on a little back road. I swerved the car,
slammed on the break and I said, look, you know,
I thought we made a commitment that no matter what
we face, we are together till death do us part.
I said, I've made that commitment, but I don't think
you have. And there was a long pause. He said,
(35:42):
you're right, but I want to make it now, and
he made that commitment now.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah. So I mean, I will tell everybody out there
that marriage is a commitment. It's not a feeling. Because
some days you feel like you're in love, other days
you feel like you're not so much in love. I mean,
it happens, it's normal day to day stuff, but it
is an absolute commitment to your wife that you will
never leave her forsakere.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Well, Billy, you and VICKI now have been married forty
eight years. Marylynd and I forty seven years, And I
tell families marriages all the time. The most important thing
you've got to realize in marriage is the back doors
locked from the outside. You can't get out. And if
you're willing to do that, then you'll find ways to
make it work. And Bill, you're so right. It's not
a feeling. They go up and down, they change all
the time. It is based on that covenant is really
(36:27):
the biblical word. I'm not leaving, so let's figure this
thing out.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
And I thank God for his word that kept us
together because here we are married forty eight years. My
husband is the man of God, the leader of our family,
and the man that I knew was still stuck in there,
and we could have ended up divorced, But how awful
that would have been for our family, for our children.
Now is a family together. We got to celebrate two
(36:54):
high school graduations all together, two college graduations staying there
all together to God honoring weddings. Both our children married
within three months of each other, all together, and now
we get to we got to be at the birth
of our grandchildren together instead of remarried or you know,
all the things that divorce brings. And we are both
(37:16):
so grateful that we have each other, that we get
to be together, that we get to be here in
North Carolina with our whole family and experience God's chapter
of this part of our lives, which is so sweet,
It is so worth everything we walked through. I can
only encourage people in a hard marriage that God uses
(37:38):
it to sanctify us. He taught me in the process
to seek first his Kingdom and his righteousness, and that
if I would do that, then God would do the rest.
He would provide everything that we needed. And God has
so faithfully kept his part of the promise, as I've
you know, humbly, feebly tried to seek Him first. And
again we are just so grateful that we are still together.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
So to those who are listening who might have marriage problems,
the first thing you would say to them is seek
first the Kingdom of God exactly, that is the most
important thing, and then trust God that he'll supply the
other stuff, Dicky.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
And then the next thing I would say is to
read God's Word every day. And Billy and I each
get a new one year Bible each year of some sort,
and we read through and we talk about it during
the day, like what did you hear? And now we
text each other every morning with something that we got
when we read our Bible that morning.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Well, sometimes people say, oh, marriages in America, one out
of two end up in divorce, but that's not true
for Christian marriages. Studies from secular places like Harvard and
other places as well, say that couples that pray together,
read God's Word together, worship together, and serve together. If
they'll do those four things, the divorce race like one
(38:54):
out of over twelve hundred marriages. So you're developing the
spiritual side of your relationship. Again, we said last segment
that which God has joined together, no person can ever separate. Yea.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
So we we pray together every night before we go
to sleep, out loud to each other, not silently, out loud.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
And with each other to God, each with.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Each other to God. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Well that's the Matthew eighteen nineteen, when two are joined together,
and we.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Do the same thing every morning. Vicky usually gets up
before I do, but once she hears the bedroom door
open again, she'll come back in into bed and we'll
just hold each other and pray, pray to God again,
you know, for the for the day, and to just
thank them and give Him the day. And then we
(39:44):
pray for healing for people. We pray together for salvation
for friends. But we do this twice a day every day.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And we pray with the full armor of God around
us every morning, and our morning prayers we have our
little hand motions.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
We pray from Ephesian six, verses ten through twenty.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yes, we cover ourselves with the belt of truth, in
the breastplate of righteousness.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Helmet of salvacious shoe, shout of the Gospel of peace,
take up.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Our shield of faith and the sword of the Spirit,
and choose. We choose with your help Lord, to stand firm.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, and you pray for all the Saints, all times,
for all things. And that just basically means keep praying,
and that joins you together spiritually, Bill, real quickly, you
mentioned it before, but let's say one more time. And
counselors who are biblically focused are really helpful in helping
you determine what you need to do to get healthy again.
They are.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
And I used to I used to hate going to counseling.
I mean it was because I was always wrong. But
I went. I stuck it out, and you know, it's
a place to really say what you're feeling and to
(40:58):
let it out. It is hard, I mean, because they
make you look at your wife and she has to
look at me, and we say what we're fraid to
say at home. But my gosh, it works. I mean,
it's a big time deal.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
It really does, VICKI.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
And one other thing I really want to talk about
is forgiveness because Jesus tells us to forgive without limit.
And a close friend and prayer partner that I've had
for thirty years says, a good marriage is with two forgivers,
two good forgivers. And God's word has versus all of it.
Forgive one another as Jesus has forgiven us. And we
(41:36):
can't not forgive because if you're in Christ, you have
to forgive, because that's what God's word says.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah, there are so many times that I don't feel
like I want to forgive, but I know Christ forgives
me a thousand times a day. So how do I
say no to that?
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Such a great point and alas remind all our listeners
as well. Forgiveness is a command, but it only takes one.
Reconciliation takes two. And you guys have not only forgiven
one another for the ways you've hurt each other, but
you have been reconciled in the Lord, and He has
given you this new life together. Vicki and Bill Rose
Vicky's book entitled Every Reason to Leave. It's on Amazon. Folks,
(42:13):
get it and make sure your marriages are whole and
all that God wants them to be. Bill and Vickie
thank you for your time together today and everyone listening.
Please make sure you love the Lord with all your heart's, soul,
mind and mind, and you love your neighbor, especially your spouse,
as yourself. Again, do these two things. You have a
lifetime's worth of work to do. I'm David Chadwick. Talk
(42:33):
with you all next week.
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