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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hi everyone, I'm David Chadwick. Welcome to the show. This
is News Talk eleven ten, ninety ninety three WBT, so
good to be with you again. You probably know that
my wife Marylyn and I took a few weeks off
this past July in order to rest and recover. Our
church recognize the fact that we've been going pretty strong
over the last six years since its formation, and graciously
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gave us a little time off to go away and
rest and reflect. Wanted to talk just a second as
we begin this show today with my wife Maryland, who's
with me along with my good friend Jim Houston. By
the way, we actually do a daily moment of hope.
Lasts about four to five minutes or so. Hey, listeners,
we'd love to have you come join us. You'll get
this moment of hope in your end box seven am
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in the morning. It's about again four to five minutes,
trying to give you a daily moment of hope. It's
free of charge. And Jen, would you mind telling all
our listeners how they could get this daily moment of
hope with you Me and Maryland talking about different subjects
that are really close to their hearts.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Sure they can simply go to our church website. It's
Moments of Hope Church dot org slash the word listen,
So Moments of Hope Church dot org slash listen. You
can subscribe there and get the podcast version, the written version,
and then your weekly Hopecast.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, I do a lot on looking at Israel updates.
We'll actually do some of that today on this show.
But it's a great chance for us to communicate with
you on a daily basis and then a weekly what
I call Hope cast or podcast, trying to deal with
what's going on in the world, especially as we center
in on Israel and look at the end times that
are in the Bible and how the Bible addresses what's
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going on in Israel today. But again, just coming back
from vacation, I am reminded that if you don't come apart,
you'll come apart, you know, or, as someone wants to joke,
if you burn the candle at both ends, you're not
as bright as you think you are. And you know,
God has called us to work. Work is good, it's
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a gift. When you accomplish something and look at a
task done, it makes you feel good. But on the
other hand, God never intended us to work, work, work,
work until we are exhausted. We are supposed to build
into our weekly and I would even say monthly, and
I would even say yearly schedules times to take off.
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In fact, when the leaders of the church I passedor
and almost Hope church spoke to me, they said, go
take a sabbatical. That's an interesting word, the word sabbath, Mariel,
and I'm going to come to you and ask you
to give us a definition of the word sabbath, David.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
The word sabbath in the Hebrew shabbat, it doesn't have
a very fancy definition. People think it's going to mean
something very you know, liturgical or whatever. And the only
definition that's really accurate is it means simply stop. When
God spoke the world into existence and he rested on
the seventh day and he blessed that day. If you
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go back and look what that word means, the rest shabbat,
it simply means to cease or to stop, and.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
That means on a weekly basis, correct that we should
have one day that's different than our work days. It
should be a day where we stop and just rest
and try to recover. And you and I have practiced
this for all of our forty seven years of marriage.
Has been the day we look forward to every week
when we can stop and just be together and do
what we want to do. And it's mostly revolving around rest.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
And you know, the Jewish people have been keeping Shabbat
for centuries really, and there are wonderful ways that they
can do that and people can learn from them. But
you and I both feel like for who we are
and we're not Jewish, we've learned some things from them,
but we really do like to create our own little
casual rhythm the you know, it might involve going out
and to get coffee and sit, you know, in a
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park under some trees and pray, but it's not weighed
down with a lot of rituals or expectations. Would you
agree with that.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I've always thought it's what you want to do that
gives your life reinvigorment.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well replenishes you.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yes, right now, I think that's what is the key.
And I've had people ask me, for example, on Sunday,
can I go to a Panthers game and I go,
Does that give you life? Does that invigorate you? I mean,
in the past it has probably been so depressing people. I
haven't wanted to do that. Hopefully this is going to
be a much better year. But if it invigorates you,
if it gives you life, if it blesses you, sure
there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And I think for the Jews and for us and
for people that like to take taking a day off seriously,
it's a wonderful time to replenish your family. I think
all of our three now grown kids and all the
slew of grandchildren that they've given us, they each practice
this day off in their own way. And we used
to have, you know, it was make your own pizza
and then family fun night, we'd have a family movie.
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I think they still talk about that. And I even
had a friend recently write me from another state and
she said, what were those favorite movies that you always
said y'all love to watch? So I made a list
for her of the ten that we said, we're our
top ten, but just something that you look forward to
and that it's replenishing.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, Jen, do you have that as a part of
your family's life.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, I can't say that we do in a really
like weekly rhythm or anything like that, but I will
say as I've learned from the both of you there
are certain things that we should cease from, I think
for healthy habits for our bodies, stopping work, stopping shopping,
and Marilyn, the most fascinating one that you've taught me
is we should cease from worrying. I don't know how
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we do that, but I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Well, you know, I took that. I was in graduate
school a couple of years ago and one of my
projects was on the Sabbath. And so that's what I've
found that the Orthodox Jew, I mean, the most religious
Jew of all did they stopped work, They stopped commerce,
which is shopping, and the stopping of the worry is
the one that really I walked away with and it
was challenged by.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, what I'm encouraged by is that I think this
practice and this ritual is something that God wanted the
Jewish people to start practicing because I think it parallels
the believer's rest that we have access to every minute
of every day because our salvation and eternity is secure.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Well, that means every day is a Sabbath experience as
we rest in the Lord and choose not to worry
but trust Him and everything Interestingly, the Sabbath commandment, one
of the Big Ten, is the only one that's accompanied
with the death penalty. Now, there is no evidence of
adam being used in the Bible. I need to state
that very clearly. But I would think that God thought
this was very serious.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It was very serious. In fact, I think the reason
it was so serious is it demonstrated their faith in Him,
and so even though they didn't enact that death penalty,
they took it very very seriously. And there are more
words about that commandment than any other one.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Well, let's talk more about this on the other side
of this break. I'm David Chadwick and we will be
right back.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Everyone, I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine to three. Welcome back to the show.
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ever know. Well, what we're talking about during this segment
is the whole idea of sabbatical. You know, I took
a few weeks off my leaders at the church, I
pastor moments I hope sure, said hey, go take a sabbatical.
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And Maryland, my wife is with me along with Jen
Houston and Maryland gave the definition of sabbath in the
first segment and again, Marylyn, it means.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
In the Hebrew, it simply means stop.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So God wants us to stop with a weekly rhythm
where we take one day and worship and rest and
just invigorate ourselves to be able to do the rest
of the work during the week. And I think, if
you'll do this and have God's strength and power re
enter your life during that sabbath, you'll be able to
work more and you'll be able to get more done
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throughout the rest of the week. But I also want
to point out not only is the idea of sabbath
once a week. The idea of sabbatical implies there are
times in our yearly life lives that we need to
take more than just one day off. And Marylyn, let's
talk just a little bit about the elders called our
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time away a sabbatical because they felt like we needed
more than just one day to rest and renew, and
we did really need those days, and they were wonderful
that God gave us, but sabbatical rest. Talk about the
several days, several weeks that people might need as well,
and I would equate that to our vacation times that
we're given from our work. What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, I think vacations are phenomenally wonderful. As speaking as
a mom raised that we raised three children together, vacations
were something we all look forward to and we would
try to at least get a week and sometimes more.
And I've noticed, and I'm reading this trend now towards
shorter and shorter vacations. People I read several reasons afraid
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to lose their momentum at work, afraid to load their
coworkers down with too much stuff, and just a little
bit of guilt. And I'm thinking what happened to the
long holidays? I mean, when we were growing up children
my dad didn't hesitate to take his vacation and it
was hard work that he did. But when he was
on vacation he did not. But we didn't have cell phones.
I think it's the phones. What do you think, Jim, I.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Do and I think it's fomo. I think our younger
audience will know the fear of missing out. You don't
want to miss out on what's happening at work.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You don't want to do that. If you ask me
and held a gun.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
To my head, thought, I define it.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Now I know again what is it?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
We're caught up defeat on fomo fear of missing out.
It's a real thrilling. You know, you could feel like
you're going to miss out on projects, on meetings, on
what whatnot. But you know what, I'm going to flip
the script and say, what if you miss out on
making significant memories with your family and with your children?
And Chris and I had the honor and privilege of
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being able to vacation a couple times this summer. I
am so grateful. And you know what, I come back
to work more creative, don't I have more bandwidth? So
there are so many more positives the negatives.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well, Marilyn. We've discovered this, Jen, I want if you
have as well, that we have in the past taken
two weeks at a time on our vacation because with
the stress of pastoral ministry, I mean, when you're dealing
with people's issues and problems. It took me. I can speak,
I know about you, but it took me a week
just unwind. And then at the end of that first week,
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I'd go, Okay, now I really enjoy the second week
because I feel like I have decompressed.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well, I'm going to go back to our wonderful iPhones here.
You know, love them, hate them, but I think they
make it a real challenge to decompress. And so I
found myself having to put boundaries around my screens so
that I would, you know, move out of that rhythm
that is relentless. And one of the ways I did
that was by reading wonderful nonfiction books.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And they were fun to read, they really were. We
both shared them together and then had something to talk
about as well. Over denter, Jen, I'm curious about this
with you because I know you think a lot about
the Jewish festivals and feasts. Well, you don't have anything
in the Bible that says take two weeks all three
times a year or whatever. But you do have feasts
and festivals built into the Jewish calendar, and they were
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not optional. God did say you must take these feasts
and festivals. And I've always wondered some of them a
few days, of them a week, some of them two weeks.
But they were times when you could not work. You
had to go to certain places, be with Jewish friends
and neighbors and just enjoy, just have fun. Almost like
the job description is to feast and party, but target here.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You're on target there. And I wish I actually knew more,
and I'm gonna I'm convicted myself and just wanting to learn.
But I do know people who still observe and practice them,
not in a religious kind of orthodox way, but just
in a way to honor what was on God's heart
and why because there are so many parallels. We've done
the Passover feast before the Sator meal, and there are
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so many parallels to everything in that meal that Jesus fulfilled.
And you know, the veil's still there for our Jewish
brothers and sisters, but our Messianic Jewish brothers and sisters,
know that everything's been fulfilled and it's all symbolics, So
there's just it's rich.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, I can't help but think, just in a practical way,
that those feasts and festivals were extended, elongated times given
by God to the people to be able to go
have some fun and not have to feel you're compelled
to work all the time merrily.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
One of the things I learned when I did so
much study on the Sabbath was that the Sabbath is
a space. And the Jewish people talk about this, it's
almost like in space and time. They call it the
Queen of the week. They don't think that you go
through your week and by the way, breathlessly go into
your Sabbath. They believe that the Sabbath starts the week
and then that gives birth to work and creativity and
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all that. But the thing, one thing that I really
took away from that is the making space for conversation
and for stories, and when do we have time for
storytelling and passing stories on to our children, and if
you're hanging out with friends, because I think community extends
beyond just your nuclear family, but stories and community and relationships,
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all these things that are suffering in our fast paced
world can flourish if we create a space for the Sabbath.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, gent, just like what you were saying, making memories
that you end up talking about when you're much later
on in life. Your kids are growing up, have their
own kids, but you remember your vacation times together.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So am I hearing you guys give us permission. You're
giving all the listeners who are hearing us permission to
take some time off.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, and just say that. In the scriptural understanding, there
were rhythms of work and rest that were built into
the natural Jewish calendar, not only weekly, but I think
like monthly, like yearly. And it's interesting that the fees
and festivals were different seasons of the year. It's almost
like God said, okay, they're three months now, you need
to take a break, marylynd.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Well, and let's not forget either that in the way
God set this up, the animals were supposed to be
given a rest and the land was given a rest.
And you know my dad, well, my dad's an agricultural guy.
You know, at ninety eight, has a lot of things
in his wheelhouse and you know, world, we're two air
eight years old.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Almost.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, he'll be on his next birthday.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
But in such a good mass.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
He has many things in his wheelhouse to talk about,
notwithstanding the World War two era submarine duty that he did.
But his family were all agricultural in nature, and he
said that that sabbath giving the land a sabbath rest
was so important, and those practices are not carried out today.
He said, some countries are smart and they'll still give
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the land a rest and those crops flourish. But we
just have all kinds of ways of getting around that,
and he says it's just not good for the land,
or the food or the people.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Well, historically and biblically, when the Jews entered into that
promised land, God had written into the law every seven years,
give that land a one year rest, and the Jews
never did it. Fascinatingly, as you move forward four hundred
and ninety years, the Jews were in the land and
when God put them into the Babylonian captivity because of
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their disobedience in many different areas, one of them was
the obedience to not giving the land rest. So Jeremiah
prophesied that they would be in the Babylonian captivity seventy
years and he says clearly every year that you did
not give the land rest. So those seventy years are
seventy times seven four hundred and ninety years they didn't
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give the land rest of God said, you don't give
my land rest, I'll give my land rest. I'm taking
you out of this place so that my land can
rest for the years that you did not give the
land rest.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Well, and their consequences, let's talk about not spiritual, but
just practical consequences. Daddy said that the dust bowls of
the nineteen thirties, you know, when the dust everything dried up.
And he said there in Virginia they found the dust,
you know, from Kentucky and the Midwest. He said, the
dust bowls are a direct result of not giving the
land rest over farming without a break. I mean, that's
kind of scary.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So our God is a god of creation, a god
of work, a god who values work. You know, he said, dress,
till and keep the land. He values mental labor, he
values manually or both are good in his side. At
the end of his work, he looked at creation and
said it's not just good, it's very good. So God
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loves work. He sees the value of work. We need
to work, but it's work that has rest built into it,
not only weekly, but throughout the year. Because we work better,
we produce better, we think better when we allow ourselves
to work and then allow ourselves to rest. And Marilyn,
I know you think this as well. Some of our
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best times of rest have seen God do miraculous things
because as we rest, he can then work and He
gets all the glory for what he has done. I'm
David Chadwick, This is News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine
three WBT. On the other side of the break, we'll
talk about what's going on in Israel. Be like that, hoveryone.
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I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven, ten
ninety ninety three WBT. Welcome back to the show, and
if you'd like to hear this program in its entirety,
as Marilyn Chadwick joins me and my friend Jim Houston
as well, looking in the first two segments at Sabbath
rest and the importance of taking time off. Now we're
going to get into the subject of Israel and looking
some at end times as well. If you'd like to
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hear the program in its entirety. Go to WBT dot com,
scroll down to the weekend shows, look for the David
Chadwick Show and you can hear it from beginning to end. So, Israel,
this little piece of land the size of the state
of New Jersey, where the Bible says will be the
center of all final conflict. And when God restores this
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world and makes it new, this place called Israel that
the Bible has it is the centerpiece of all of
its activity. As we look at the world today, what
is the centerpiece of land that everybody seems to be
wanting to talk about and have conflict over. It's the
nation of Israel. So I thought it'd be important today.
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Let's get caught up on what's going on in Israel
over the last several weeks since we've been gone. And
here are three areas that I think we need to
look at. First of all Hamas, secondly world wide views
of Israel, and thirdly the Temple mount if we have
enough time, So let's look first of all at Hamas.
We have seen that it is not going away. It
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still holds. The twenty five to thirty hostages taken over
on October the seventh, twenty twenty three when Hamas invaded Israel,
killed twelve hundred people, took these hostages two hundred and fifty.
All of them, we think, except these twenty five to
thirty are now dead. And now we find ourselves with
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Israel becoming increasingly frustrated with Gaza and Hamas making threats
to go in and completely try to eradicate Hamas with
a ground swell of soldiers from Israel. There are those
who think, with all the multiple tunnels in Gaza, this
is just impossible. Caamas is now giving an international pr campaign,
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if you will, that The New York Times swallowed showed
a picture of a young boy who was emaciated, supposedly
starved almost to death when it was found out he
has a genetic abnormality and disorder. It was completely bogus
by the leftist medium, but yet was shown to be
a starvation issue. Well. Then came another photo that was
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on social media of one of the hostages who was
completely emaciated but then supposedly was digging his own grave,
and it caused great consternation, I must admit, even among
those who are anti Israel, that caused a gulp in
their minds to see that picture come out, so we
know the hostages are there, we know they're emaciated. If
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they're being commanded to dig their own graves, that's completely
horrific in every possible way. So the Hamas is rarely
tension continues to move forward. We've had all kinds of
charges that the food that has been given to the
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Gozzen people who are hungry is being used by Hamas
to buy weapons, and there is evidence that that has
indeed taken place. And America, i know, has poured millions
of dollars worth of aid into trying to solve the
hunger problems there in Gaza, only to have the money
be used for the purchasing of weapons. So the problem
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is not going away. It is intensifying in every possible way.
And yet we know that part of the world's going
to have people who want Israel completely eradicated from the
face of the earth, and Hamas is one of those agencies.
It is not getting any better, it's getting worse. And
we can see not only with Hamas, but with the
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continued tension in Iran, with Iran saying it's going to
rebuild nuclear weapons capabilities and they want Israel eradicated from
the face of the earth. That again, this tension's not
going away. It continues to exacerbate, it continues to enlarge. Maryland,
your thoughts on the Hamas Israeli Iranian crisis that continues
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to enlarge.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
It's just amazing to me that it's gone on this long, David,
because you remember the avalanche of news that happened after
October seventh, and we had been in Israel what just
about three months before that didn't catch a clue of
any of this that was getting ready to happen, And
then October the seventh everything changed. So I think our
eyes are fixed on what will happen next. I would
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encourage all of us, all of us that are that
care for Israel and that care for God's purposes on Earth,
don't give up praying just because you think the hostages
are helpless. Now, how ma'ty been released? I know there
were two hundred and fifty to begin we have had
numerous hostages released, and you're saying they think they're about
twenty five thirty. Well, let's keep praying for the release
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and the safety of those hostages.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And you set your phone to eleven fifty nine every
dayd mine.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
At eleven fifty nine and I started doing that about
just a few weeks after October the seventh, and I
prayed this kind of specific prayer. I said, Lord, if
you really want me to pray for these hostages, give
me a clue. And wouldn't you know the names of
the of two hostages that were from America that were
over there popped up. Their names were Judah and Natalie.
And so I just started praying at eleven fifty nine
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every day, and a friend joined me remotely. She does
the same thing. And just days after we started praying,
Judith and Natalie were the first hostages released. So we
started then, you know, praying for whomever we could know
by name. There was a little girl named Abigail. It
was four and she was released. And I have to say,
I don't know names right now of any of the
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twenty five. I just pray for them as a group.
But maybe maybe I should do a little digging. I
don't know if we can find that.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, I'm sure people can find those names. And they're
continuing to be lifted up by so many people. And
let me shift real quickly here to the worldwide vision
of Israel. Interestingly, the Prime Ministers of Canada, Great Britain
and France, CARNEYE. Starmer and Macrone, have all come together
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and agreed that there needs to be a two state
solution in Israel. And interestingly, the United Nations in September
is going to take this up. Previews have said that
some one hundred and forty plus nations of the one
hundred and ninety plus have agreed that there needs to
be a two state solution. The problem is going to
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be that Gaza, obviously is still controlled by Hamas since
two thousand and five, when Israel gave control of Gaza
two Gazans, they elected Hamas by a seventy five to
eighty percent majority to oversee them governmentally, and Amas again
wants Israel completely destroyed in every possible way. Also, the
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problem is the West Bank that Arabs think they should
have as a part of the two state solution. That
area is called by Jews Judea and Samaria. Those are
biblical terms, they're still used by the Jews today. And
you also have a desire from some number of Arabs
for the return of Jerusalem, particularly East Jerusalem where the
Temple Mount exists, to be under their control. The problem
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with all of this. The illustration I've used so often
I'll use it again now is if a couple came
in for marriage counseling to me and the husband said,
you know what, the first thing I want to tell
you is I want to kill my wife and I'm
gonna do it the first chance I get. I don't
think there's much hope for me being able to reconcile
that couple if one wants the other did. The two
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state solution is a solution saying Israel and Gaza West
Bank people, you live peacefully among one another. When they've
let it be known not only Hamas but Hezbola and
also Iran and other nations surrounding Israel, we don't want
to live next to Israel. We want Israel completely eradicated
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from the face of the earth. How does that happen?
So you're going to have something fascinating that will happen
at the UN level in September when one hundred and
forty plus states, along with leaders like CARNEYE. Stormer and
Macrone from Canada, Great Britain and France pushing for the
two state solution, and Israel is going to say absolutely
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not the United States is going to say absolutely not,
because they know that the two state solution is impossible
when one of the state wants the other state absolutely
dead in every possible way. So that's the reality of
what's going on. Gen. Do you have any thoughts on this, Well.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
It's a big topic, that's for sure. I'm reminded and
picturing the days when I actually lived in Lebanon. I
lived in Beirut for a time at the turn of
two thousand when we thought the world was going to end.
I was actually over there at that New Year's Eve
when it went from ninety nine to two thousand.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It was white.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Why DK, that's what it was. That's right. We had
an extra bag of rice, I think in the pantry.
That's the extent we went. But just being over there
and talking with people on both sides of this, it
is a spiritual battle, and it's thousands of years in
the making, and I think you guys are both the
best at reminding people these are areas that are governed
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by principalities and generations of hatred, and I just think
that that's the only way to explain that the hatred
and the divisiveness that's going on.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Perhaps we'll do another Hope cast on this subject, maybe
even next week, on why this hatred worldwide against Israel.
I think it's spiritual. I think it comes from the
root of the devil himself, who hates those people, through
whom Messiah will come and ultimately come back again and
crush Satan's head. And that's why he hates those people.
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But until then, this kind of anger is going to exist,
and we're seeing it being lived out right in our presence.
So I wanted to give all of you this worldwide
hatred of Israel, this anti Semitism, which has no rationality
except it is motivated by Satan himself in the dark
recesses of his decrepit and polluted mind. Now, when we
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come back, I want to take a quick glance at
the Temple Mount what's going on there. And also, this
past Wednesday, August six, was the eightieth anniversary of Hiroshima
and Nagasaki bombs. I just want to take a moment
and think about that together. I'm David Chadwick, will be
right back. How everyone, I'm David Chadwick, and this is
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News Talk eleven ten, ninety ninety three WBT. Welcome back.
To the show coming off of a time of rest.
It's great to be back with you all, and I'm
trying to get you caught up with what's going on
in the world. We took a glimpse at Israel at
this past segment. Let's just finish that segment by taking
a glimpse at the Temple mount. Interestingly, if you don't
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know your Bibles, the first temple was built by Solomon
in the mid nine hundreds C was destroyed in five
eighty six BC by Nebuconezer and the Babylonians. The temple
was then rebuilt in around five sixteen BC by Zerubabul
and others. Then it existed for hundreds of years, and
Herod took a lot of his money during Jesus' day
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and expanded the temple, and it actually was glorious in
the days of Jesus. But it was destroyed completely taken
to the ground in seventy AD by the Romans and
has stayed without being rebuilt for now two thousand plus years.
Here's what's so fascinating. We know that in nineteen sixty seven,
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at the end of the Six Day War, East Jerusalem
was returned to the Jews. After that war. But they knew,
with all the international pressure upon them because the Alaska
Mosque and it being the third holiest site in all
of Islam, that if they tried to rebuild the Third Temple,
it would cause a huge international conflagration. So they gave
control of the Temple mount to the Jordanians and they
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have overseen it since nineteen sixty seven. But what's so
fascinating right now Israel is under pressure to rebuild the
Third Temple. From where is that coming? Mostly conservative and
Orthodox Jews, but really from Jews around the world who
say that's our site and we should have our temple
built there. In nineteen eighty seven there was the Temple
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Institute that was formed. Over the last several decades, they
have now all the utensils, everything that needs to be
implemented in order to recommence all of the sacrifices. They
have gone and recruited those who have the last name
Cohen Cohn, which implies the priesthood, and they've gotten the
necessary bloodlines to re establish the priestly order for the
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recommencement of the sacrifices. They supposedly have several red heifers.
One they discovered that was impure, so they actually went
through a practice of the sacrifice of the red Heifer,
which those ashes are needed for the purification of the
priests to do the temple sacrifices. So there are all
kinds of rumors as well that they have rediscovered the
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Ark of the Covenant and believe that or not. Oh my,
wouldn't that be an interesting movie. They have supposedly refounded
and are going to place that into the Holy of
Holies when the Third Temple is rebuilt. And what's most
fascinating is you're now seeing an aggressive reattempt of Jews
to go on the Temple Mount and pray. Now that's
not been allowed by the Jordanians over the past decades.
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But now Ben Gavie, who's one of the leading members
of the Kanestan, I think he's a defense minister, very conservative,
has gone up on the Temple Mount with different people
and has actually extended his arms and bent his knee
and prayed to the One God of Israel on the
Temple Mount, where Jordanians in the past have had with
their submachine guns, and Marilyn, we've seen them on the
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Temple Mount, escorted off the Temple Mount. Anyone who tries
to do that. They've allowed it to happen. And the
numbers of Jews who are worshiping now on the Temple
Mount exists, and they are the ones calling for the
reconstruction of the temple on that Temple Mount. How can
that happen with the Alaska Mosque and the other notable
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Muslim shrines there, I don't know, but that is what's
being talked about. That's what's going on. And I've always
said to people, if you want to know about end times,
just watch the Temple Mount, watch what's going to happen there.
That will give you some signs and signals because in
Second Thessalonians, chapter two, the Antichrist has to go into
the third rebuilt Temple where he will declare himself to
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be God. I just find this fascinating. What about you,
Marilyn Well David?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
You know, I was thinking that our first trip to
Israel was right around the year two thousand, just before
nine to eleven, and you know, we were allowed to
go into the Alaska Mosque. I found out later we
were one of the last people to be able to
go into that Muslim holy place, and now it's forbidden.
But I'm thinking to myself, how fascinating that you've got
the Muslim Holy Place and the Jewish Holy Place just
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yards from each other. I mean, how could you not
think this is going to be a place of conflict.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
And the Jews want this to happen. But Muslims throughout
the world are saying, if you lay one brick on
the foundation of building your temple, we're going to come
against Israel. We're going to come against Jerusalem and retake
that part of the world. So some think that could
be the light to the views of what will set
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off all of the final conflict in the end times.
I don't know, but it is fascinating to think about. Jin.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I think what's also fascinating is that the Temple mount
is the third holiest place for Islam. It's not the first,
not the second, but the third. And the Jews only
have this, it's.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
The only one they have. That's one of their arguments now,
just supposedly for Islams where Mohammad ascended to heaven. It's
so interesting how it seemed like so much of Islam
copies that which we believe as Christians. But anyway, that's
why it's so holy for them, but it's not their first,
nor their second. You're saying is their third. But before
the Jews, it is where they have the history of
their temple, and Arabs have always questioned whether that history
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is true or not, because if they can prove the
temple existed and that David through Solomon rebuilt that temple,
that proves that homeland was given to the Jews. They've
always existed there and the Arabs have no claim to
that part of the world.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Marylynd, Yeah, it's fascinating. I'm still reflecting on our experience
there because, as I said earlier, we were there just
three months before October seventh hit, and we felt that
the only place I felt any tension all throughout Israel
or any of the surrounding areas, was right there on
the Temple Mount. And watching I saw a little Jewish
family with a mom and a dad and three or
four little kids walking around the Temple Mount and that
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what would have been where the temple would be. But
there were the Jordanian guards with machine guns walking behind them,
very close, and I asked, our God, you know, what
are they going to do, you know, if something happens,
and he said, they are watching to make sure that
they not only don't pray verbally, but they're not even
allowed to look like they're praying silently. And I thought, well,
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how do you police that? But that's how it was
very tense, wasn't it, David?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
And that tension still exists to this day and is
what we're trying to address today. You want to know
what's going on with Israel and in times, look at
the Temple Mount. It's one of the key places to look.
And let me end today's program by just giving a
nod of remembrance. On August the sixth, nineteen forty five,
eighty years ago, this past Wednesday was the dropping of
the two atomic bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. It's interesting
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that America felt like that was the only way they
could stop the Pacific narrative that was going on after
the Germans had declared defeat in the Western Front in Europe,
but the Pacific War kept going on, and there were
estimates that the Japanese would be able to arm sixty
million of their civilians if America or the Allied forces
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ever tried to invade Japan itself. And when the leaders
of the world looked and said, how can we avoid
the millions upon millions of casualties that will happen if
we have to invade Japan, As when they decided to
take the step to drop the nuclear bomb from the
Andola Gay airplane on August sixth, nineteen forty five. I
just want to remember those two hundred thousand who lost
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their lives during that time period. But I also want
to remind ourselves that nuclear weaponry is a horrible reality,
and it is a way to cause humanity to be extinct.
And there's a lot of saber rattling going on in
the world right now, with nations threatening to use the
nuclear bomb against other nations, And I just think all
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of us need to pause as we pray for peace.
As Jesus said, blessed are the peacemakers. As Jesus has
called himself the Prince of Peace, might we not be
so quick to use the end word, the nuclear word,
which causes enormous devastation, enormous casualties, enormous hurt, ormous pain.
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And if you don't believe that, just look at Japan.
And although Nagasaki and hero Oshama have been rebuilt to
magnificent contemporary cities. We realize that it causes great devastation
and pain. Was it justified? Was it the right decision.
I'll leave that for people who do what just war
theory study, but it certainly is something we need to
contemplate eighty years later with not only just nuclear bombs,
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but thermonuclear bombs. Everyone, thank you for listening today, Marylyn,
thank you for being with me. Jim Houston as well.
I'm David Chadwick. This is News Talk eleven, ten ninety
nine to three WBT, and I'll talk with you all
next week
Hi everyone, I'm David Chadwick. Welcome to the show. This
is News Talk eleven ten, ninety ninety three WBT, so
good to be with you again. You probably know that
my wife Marylyn and I took a few weeks off
this past July in order to rest and recover. Our
church recognize the fact that we've been going pretty strong
over the last six years since its formation, and graciously
(00:38):
gave us a little time off to go away and
rest and reflect. Wanted to talk just a second as
we begin this show today with my wife Maryland, who's
with me along with my good friend Jim Houston. By
the way, we actually do a daily moment of hope.
Lasts about four to five minutes or so. Hey, listeners,
we'd love to have you come join us. You'll get
this moment of hope in your end box seven am
(01:01):
in the morning. It's about again four to five minutes,
trying to give you a daily moment of hope. It's
free of charge. And Jen, would you mind telling all
our listeners how they could get this daily moment of
hope with you Me and Maryland talking about different subjects
that are really close to their hearts.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Sure they can simply go to our church website. It's
Moments of Hope Church dot org slash the word listen,
So Moments of Hope Church dot org slash listen. You
can subscribe there and get the podcast version, the written version,
and then your weekly Hopecast.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, I do a lot on looking at Israel updates.
We'll actually do some of that today on this show.
But it's a great chance for us to communicate with
you on a daily basis and then a weekly what
I call Hope cast or podcast, trying to deal with
what's going on in the world, especially as we center
in on Israel and look at the end times that
are in the Bible and how the Bible addresses what's
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going on in Israel today. But again, just coming back
from vacation, I am reminded that if you don't come apart,
you'll come apart, you know, or, as someone wants to joke,
if you burn the candle at both ends, you're not
as bright as you think you are. And you know,
God has called us to work. Work is good, it's
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a gift. When you accomplish something and look at a
task done, it makes you feel good. But on the
other hand, God never intended us to work, work, work,
work until we are exhausted. We are supposed to build
into our weekly and I would even say monthly, and
I would even say yearly schedules times to take off.
(02:35):
In fact, when the leaders of the church I passedor
and almost Hope church spoke to me, they said, go
take a sabbatical. That's an interesting word, the word sabbath, Mariel,
and I'm going to come to you and ask you
to give us a definition of the word sabbath, David.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
The word sabbath in the Hebrew shabbat, it doesn't have
a very fancy definition. People think it's going to mean
something very you know, liturgical or whatever. And the only
definition that's really accurate is it means simply stop. When
God spoke the world into existence and he rested on
the seventh day and he blessed that day. If you
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go back and look what that word means, the rest shabbat,
it simply means to cease or to stop, and.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
That means on a weekly basis, correct that we should
have one day that's different than our work days. It
should be a day where we stop and just rest
and try to recover. And you and I have practiced
this for all of our forty seven years of marriage.
Has been the day we look forward to every week
when we can stop and just be together and do
what we want to do. And it's mostly revolving around rest.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
And you know, the Jewish people have been keeping Shabbat
for centuries really, and there are wonderful ways that they
can do that and people can learn from them. But
you and I both feel like for who we are
and we're not Jewish, we've learned some things from them,
but we really do like to create our own little
casual rhythm the you know, it might involve going out
and to get coffee and sit, you know, in a
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park under some trees and pray, but it's not weighed
down with a lot of rituals or expectations. Would you
agree with that.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I've always thought it's what you want to do that
gives your life reinvigorment.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well replenishes you.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yes, right now, I think that's what is the key.
And I've had people ask me, for example, on Sunday,
can I go to a Panthers game and I go,
Does that give you life? Does that invigorate you? I mean,
in the past it has probably been so depressing people. I
haven't wanted to do that. Hopefully this is going to
be a much better year. But if it invigorates you,
if it gives you life, if it blesses you, sure
there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And I think for the Jews and for us and
for people that like to take taking a day off seriously,
it's a wonderful time to replenish your family. I think
all of our three now grown kids and all the
slew of grandchildren that they've given us, they each practice
this day off in their own way. And we used
to have, you know, it was make your own pizza
and then family fun night, we'd have a family movie.
(05:00):
I think they still talk about that. And I even
had a friend recently write me from another state and
she said, what were those favorite movies that you always
said y'all love to watch? So I made a list
for her of the ten that we said, we're our
top ten, but just something that you look forward to
and that it's replenishing.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, Jen, do you have that as a part of
your family's life.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, I can't say that we do in a really
like weekly rhythm or anything like that, but I will
say as I've learned from the both of you there
are certain things that we should cease from, I think
for healthy habits for our bodies, stopping work, stopping shopping,
and Marilyn, the most fascinating one that you've taught me
is we should cease from worrying. I don't know how
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we do that, but I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Well, you know, I took that. I was in graduate
school a couple of years ago and one of my
projects was on the Sabbath. And so that's what I've
found that the Orthodox Jew, I mean, the most religious
Jew of all did they stopped work, They stopped commerce,
which is shopping, and the stopping of the worry is
the one that really I walked away with and it
was challenged by.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, what I'm encouraged by is that I think this
practice and this ritual is something that God wanted the
Jewish people to start practicing because I think it parallels
the believer's rest that we have access to every minute
of every day because our salvation and eternity is secure.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Well, that means every day is a Sabbath experience as
we rest in the Lord and choose not to worry
but trust Him and everything Interestingly, the Sabbath commandment, one
of the Big Ten, is the only one that's accompanied
with the death penalty. Now, there is no evidence of
adam being used in the Bible. I need to state
that very clearly. But I would think that God thought
this was very serious.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It was very serious. In fact, I think the reason
it was so serious is it demonstrated their faith in Him,
and so even though they didn't enact that death penalty,
they took it very very seriously. And there are more
words about that commandment than any other one.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Well, let's talk more about this on the other side
of this break. I'm David Chadwick and we will be
right back.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
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ever know. Well, what we're talking about during this segment
is the whole idea of sabbatical. You know, I took
a few weeks off my leaders at the church, I
pastor moments I hope sure, said hey, go take a sabbatical.
(08:16):
And Maryland, my wife is with me along with Jen
Houston and Maryland gave the definition of sabbath in the
first segment and again, Marylyn, it means.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
In the Hebrew, it simply means stop.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So God wants us to stop with a weekly rhythm
where we take one day and worship and rest and
just invigorate ourselves to be able to do the rest
of the work during the week. And I think, if
you'll do this and have God's strength and power re
enter your life during that sabbath, you'll be able to
work more and you'll be able to get more done
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throughout the rest of the week. But I also want
to point out not only is the idea of sabbath
once a week. The idea of sabbatical implies there are
times in our yearly life lives that we need to
take more than just one day off. And Marylyn, let's
talk just a little bit about the elders called our
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time away a sabbatical because they felt like we needed
more than just one day to rest and renew, and
we did really need those days, and they were wonderful
that God gave us, but sabbatical rest. Talk about the
several days, several weeks that people might need as well,
and I would equate that to our vacation times that
we're given from our work. What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, I think vacations are phenomenally wonderful. As speaking as
a mom raised that we raised three children together, vacations
were something we all look forward to and we would
try to at least get a week and sometimes more.
And I've noticed, and I'm reading this trend now towards
shorter and shorter vacations. People I read several reasons afraid
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to lose their momentum at work, afraid to load their
coworkers down with too much stuff, and just a little
bit of guilt. And I'm thinking what happened to the
long holidays? I mean, when we were growing up children
my dad didn't hesitate to take his vacation and it
was hard work that he did. But when he was
on vacation he did not. But we didn't have cell phones.
I think it's the phones. What do you think, Jim, I.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Do and I think it's fomo. I think our younger
audience will know the fear of missing out. You don't
want to miss out on what's happening at work.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You don't want to do that. If you ask me
and held a gun.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
To my head, thought, I define it.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Now I know again what is it?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
We're caught up defeat on fomo fear of missing out.
It's a real thrilling. You know, you could feel like
you're going to miss out on projects, on meetings, on
what whatnot. But you know what, I'm going to flip
the script and say, what if you miss out on
making significant memories with your family and with your children?
And Chris and I had the honor and privilege of
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being able to vacation a couple times this summer. I
am so grateful. And you know what, I come back
to work more creative, don't I have more bandwidth? So
there are so many more positives the negatives.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well, Marilyn. We've discovered this, Jen, I want if you
have as well, that we have in the past taken
two weeks at a time on our vacation because with
the stress of pastoral ministry, I mean, when you're dealing
with people's issues and problems. It took me. I can speak,
I know about you, but it took me a week
just unwind. And then at the end of that first week,
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I'd go, Okay, now I really enjoy the second week
because I feel like I have decompressed.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well, I'm going to go back to our wonderful iPhones here.
You know, love them, hate them, but I think they
make it a real challenge to decompress. And so I
found myself having to put boundaries around my screens so
that I would, you know, move out of that rhythm
that is relentless. And one of the ways I did
that was by reading wonderful nonfiction books.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And they were fun to read, they really were. We
both shared them together and then had something to talk
about as well. Over denter, Jen, I'm curious about this
with you because I know you think a lot about
the Jewish festivals and feasts. Well, you don't have anything
in the Bible that says take two weeks all three
times a year or whatever. But you do have feasts
and festivals built into the Jewish calendar, and they were
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not optional. God did say you must take these feasts
and festivals. And I've always wondered some of them a
few days, of them a week, some of them two weeks.
But they were times when you could not work. You
had to go to certain places, be with Jewish friends
and neighbors and just enjoy, just have fun. Almost like
the job description is to feast and party, but target here.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You're on target there. And I wish I actually knew more,
and I'm gonna I'm convicted myself and just wanting to learn.
But I do know people who still observe and practice them,
not in a religious kind of orthodox way, but just
in a way to honor what was on God's heart
and why because there are so many parallels. We've done
the Passover feast before the Sator meal, and there are
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so many parallels to everything in that meal that Jesus fulfilled.
And you know, the veil's still there for our Jewish
brothers and sisters, but our Messianic Jewish brothers and sisters,
know that everything's been fulfilled and it's all symbolics, So
there's just it's rich.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, I can't help but think, just in a practical way,
that those feasts and festivals were extended, elongated times given
by God to the people to be able to go
have some fun and not have to feel you're compelled
to work all the time merrily.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
One of the things I learned when I did so
much study on the Sabbath was that the Sabbath is
a space. And the Jewish people talk about this, it's
almost like in space and time. They call it the
Queen of the week. They don't think that you go
through your week and by the way, breathlessly go into
your Sabbath. They believe that the Sabbath starts the week
and then that gives birth to work and creativity and
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all that. But the thing, one thing that I really
took away from that is the making space for conversation
and for stories, and when do we have time for
storytelling and passing stories on to our children, and if
you're hanging out with friends, because I think community extends
beyond just your nuclear family, but stories and community and relationships,
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all these things that are suffering in our fast paced
world can flourish if we create a space for the Sabbath.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, gent, just like what you were saying, making memories
that you end up talking about when you're much later
on in life. Your kids are growing up, have their
own kids, but you remember your vacation times together.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So am I hearing you guys give us permission. You're
giving all the listeners who are hearing us permission to
take some time off.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, and just say that. In the scriptural understanding, there
were rhythms of work and rest that were built into
the natural Jewish calendar, not only weekly, but I think
like monthly, like yearly. And it's interesting that the fees
and festivals were different seasons of the year. It's almost
like God said, okay, they're three months now, you need
to take a break, marylynd.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Well, and let's not forget either that in the way
God set this up, the animals were supposed to be
given a rest and the land was given a rest.
And you know my dad, well, my dad's an agricultural guy.
You know, at ninety eight, has a lot of things
in his wheelhouse and you know, world, we're two air
eight years old.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Almost.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, he'll be on his next birthday.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
But in such a good mass.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
He has many things in his wheelhouse to talk about,
notwithstanding the World War two era submarine duty that he did.
But his family were all agricultural in nature, and he
said that that sabbath giving the land a sabbath rest
was so important, and those practices are not carried out today.
He said, some countries are smart and they'll still give
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the land a rest and those crops flourish. But we
just have all kinds of ways of getting around that,
and he says it's just not good for the land,
or the food or the people.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Well, historically and biblically, when the Jews entered into that
promised land, God had written into the law every seven years,
give that land a one year rest, and the Jews
never did it. Fascinatingly, as you move forward four hundred
and ninety years, the Jews were in the land and
when God put them into the Babylonian captivity because of
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their disobedience in many different areas, one of them was
the obedience to not giving the land rest. So Jeremiah
prophesied that they would be in the Babylonian captivity seventy
years and he says clearly every year that you did
not give the land rest. So those seventy years are
seventy times seven four hundred and ninety years they didn't
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give the land rest of God said, you don't give
my land rest, I'll give my land rest. I'm taking
you out of this place so that my land can
rest for the years that you did not give the
land rest.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Well, and their consequences, let's talk about not spiritual, but
just practical consequences. Daddy said that the dust bowls of
the nineteen thirties, you know, when the dust everything dried up.
And he said there in Virginia they found the dust,
you know, from Kentucky and the Midwest. He said, the
dust bowls are a direct result of not giving the
land rest over farming without a break. I mean, that's
kind of scary.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So our God is a god of creation, a god
of work, a god who values work. You know, he said, dress,
till and keep the land. He values mental labor, he
values manually or both are good in his side. At
the end of his work, he looked at creation and
said it's not just good, it's very good. So God
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loves work. He sees the value of work. We need
to work, but it's work that has rest built into it,
not only weekly, but throughout the year. Because we work better,
we produce better, we think better when we allow ourselves
to work and then allow ourselves to rest. And Marilyn,
I know you think this as well. Some of our
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best times of rest have seen God do miraculous things
because as we rest, he can then work and He
gets all the glory for what he has done. I'm
David Chadwick, This is News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine
three WBT. On the other side of the break, we'll
talk about what's going on in Israel. Be like that, hoveryone.
(18:19):
I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven, ten
ninety ninety three WBT. Welcome back to the show, and
if you'd like to hear this program in its entirety,
as Marilyn Chadwick joins me and my friend Jim Houston
as well, looking in the first two segments at Sabbath
rest and the importance of taking time off. Now we're
going to get into the subject of Israel and looking
some at end times as well. If you'd like to
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hear the program in its entirety. Go to WBT dot com,
scroll down to the weekend shows, look for the David
Chadwick Show and you can hear it from beginning to end. So, Israel,
this little piece of land the size of the state
of New Jersey, where the Bible says will be the
center of all final conflict. And when God restores this
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world and makes it new, this place called Israel that
the Bible has it is the centerpiece of all of
its activity. As we look at the world today, what
is the centerpiece of land that everybody seems to be
wanting to talk about and have conflict over. It's the
nation of Israel. So I thought it'd be important today.
(19:25):
Let's get caught up on what's going on in Israel
over the last several weeks since we've been gone. And
here are three areas that I think we need to
look at. First of all Hamas, secondly world wide views
of Israel, and thirdly the Temple mount if we have
enough time, So let's look first of all at Hamas.
We have seen that it is not going away. It
(19:48):
still holds. The twenty five to thirty hostages taken over
on October the seventh, twenty twenty three when Hamas invaded Israel,
killed twelve hundred people, took these hostages two hundred and fifty.
All of them, we think, except these twenty five to
thirty are now dead. And now we find ourselves with
(20:09):
Israel becoming increasingly frustrated with Gaza and Hamas making threats
to go in and completely try to eradicate Hamas with
a ground swell of soldiers from Israel. There are those
who think, with all the multiple tunnels in Gaza, this
is just impossible. Caamas is now giving an international pr campaign,
(20:32):
if you will, that The New York Times swallowed showed
a picture of a young boy who was emaciated, supposedly
starved almost to death when it was found out he
has a genetic abnormality and disorder. It was completely bogus
by the leftist medium, but yet was shown to be
a starvation issue. Well. Then came another photo that was
(20:53):
on social media of one of the hostages who was
completely emaciated but then supposedly was digging his own grave,
and it caused great consternation, I must admit, even among
those who are anti Israel, that caused a gulp in
their minds to see that picture come out, so we
know the hostages are there, we know they're emaciated. If
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they're being commanded to dig their own graves, that's completely
horrific in every possible way. So the Hamas is rarely
tension continues to move forward. We've had all kinds of
charges that the food that has been given to the
(21:36):
Gozzen people who are hungry is being used by Hamas
to buy weapons, and there is evidence that that has
indeed taken place. And America, i know, has poured millions
of dollars worth of aid into trying to solve the
hunger problems there in Gaza, only to have the money
be used for the purchasing of weapons. So the problem
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is not going away. It is intensifying in every possible way.
And yet we know that part of the world's going
to have people who want Israel completely eradicated from the
face of the earth, and Hamas is one of those agencies.
It is not getting any better, it's getting worse. And
we can see not only with Hamas, but with the
(22:21):
continued tension in Iran, with Iran saying it's going to
rebuild nuclear weapons capabilities and they want Israel eradicated from
the face of the earth. That again, this tension's not
going away. It continues to exacerbate, it continues to enlarge. Maryland,
your thoughts on the Hamas Israeli Iranian crisis that continues
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to enlarge.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
It's just amazing to me that it's gone on this long, David,
because you remember the avalanche of news that happened after
October seventh, and we had been in Israel what just
about three months before that didn't catch a clue of
any of this that was getting ready to happen, And
then October the seventh everything changed. So I think our
eyes are fixed on what will happen next. I would
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encourage all of us, all of us that are that
care for Israel and that care for God's purposes on Earth,
don't give up praying just because you think the hostages
are helpless. Now, how ma'ty been released? I know there
were two hundred and fifty to begin we have had
numerous hostages released, and you're saying they think they're about
twenty five thirty. Well, let's keep praying for the release
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and the safety of those hostages.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And you set your phone to eleven fifty nine every
dayd mine.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
At eleven fifty nine and I started doing that about
just a few weeks after October the seventh, and I
prayed this kind of specific prayer. I said, Lord, if
you really want me to pray for these hostages, give
me a clue. And wouldn't you know the names of
the of two hostages that were from America that were
over there popped up. Their names were Judah and Natalie.
And so I just started praying at eleven fifty nine
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every day, and a friend joined me remotely. She does
the same thing. And just days after we started praying,
Judith and Natalie were the first hostages released. So we
started then, you know, praying for whomever we could know
by name. There was a little girl named Abigail. It
was four and she was released. And I have to say,
I don't know names right now of any of the
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twenty five. I just pray for them as a group.
But maybe maybe I should do a little digging. I
don't know if we can find that.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, I'm sure people can find those names. And they're
continuing to be lifted up by so many people. And
let me shift real quickly here to the worldwide vision
of Israel. Interestingly, the Prime Ministers of Canada, Great Britain
and France, CARNEYE. Starmer and Macrone, have all come together
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and agreed that there needs to be a two state
solution in Israel. And interestingly, the United Nations in September
is going to take this up. Previews have said that
some one hundred and forty plus nations of the one
hundred and ninety plus have agreed that there needs to
be a two state solution. The problem is going to
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be that Gaza, obviously is still controlled by Hamas since
two thousand and five, when Israel gave control of Gaza
two Gazans, they elected Hamas by a seventy five to
eighty percent majority to oversee them governmentally, and Amas again
wants Israel completely destroyed in every possible way. Also, the
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problem is the West Bank that Arabs think they should
have as a part of the two state solution. That
area is called by Jews Judea and Samaria. Those are
biblical terms, they're still used by the Jews today. And
you also have a desire from some number of Arabs
for the return of Jerusalem, particularly East Jerusalem where the
Temple Mount exists, to be under their control. The problem
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with all of this. The illustration I've used so often
I'll use it again now is if a couple came
in for marriage counseling to me and the husband said,
you know what, the first thing I want to tell
you is I want to kill my wife and I'm
gonna do it the first chance I get. I don't
think there's much hope for me being able to reconcile
that couple if one wants the other did. The two
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state solution is a solution saying Israel and Gaza West
Bank people, you live peacefully among one another. When they've
let it be known not only Hamas but Hezbola and
also Iran and other nations surrounding Israel, we don't want
to live next to Israel. We want Israel completely eradicated
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from the face of the earth. How does that happen?
So you're going to have something fascinating that will happen
at the UN level in September when one hundred and
forty plus states, along with leaders like CARNEYE. Stormer and
Macrone from Canada, Great Britain and France pushing for the
two state solution, and Israel is going to say absolutely
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not the United States is going to say absolutely not,
because they know that the two state solution is impossible
when one of the state wants the other state absolutely
dead in every possible way. So that's the reality of
what's going on. Gen. Do you have any thoughts on this, Well.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
It's a big topic, that's for sure. I'm reminded and
picturing the days when I actually lived in Lebanon. I
lived in Beirut for a time at the turn of
two thousand when we thought the world was going to end.
I was actually over there at that New Year's Eve
when it went from ninety nine to two thousand.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It was white.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Why DK, that's what it was. That's right. We had
an extra bag of rice, I think in the pantry.
That's the extent we went. But just being over there
and talking with people on both sides of this, it
is a spiritual battle, and it's thousands of years in
the making, and I think you guys are both the
best at reminding people these are areas that are governed
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by principalities and generations of hatred, and I just think
that that's the only way to explain that the hatred
and the divisiveness that's going on.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Perhaps we'll do another Hope cast on this subject, maybe
even next week, on why this hatred worldwide against Israel.
I think it's spiritual. I think it comes from the
root of the devil himself, who hates those people, through
whom Messiah will come and ultimately come back again and
crush Satan's head. And that's why he hates those people.
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But until then, this kind of anger is going to exist,
and we're seeing it being lived out right in our presence.
So I wanted to give all of you this worldwide
hatred of Israel, this anti Semitism, which has no rationality
except it is motivated by Satan himself in the dark
recesses of his decrepit and polluted mind. Now, when we
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come back, I want to take a quick glance at
the Temple Mount what's going on there. And also, this
past Wednesday, August six, was the eightieth anniversary of Hiroshima
and Nagasaki bombs. I just want to take a moment
and think about that together. I'm David Chadwick, will be
right back. How everyone, I'm David Chadwick, and this is
(29:36):
News Talk eleven ten, ninety ninety three WBT. Welcome back.
To the show coming off of a time of rest.
It's great to be back with you all, and I'm
trying to get you caught up with what's going on
in the world. We took a glimpse at Israel at
this past segment. Let's just finish that segment by taking
a glimpse at the Temple mount. Interestingly, if you don't
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know your Bibles, the first temple was built by Solomon
in the mid nine hundreds C was destroyed in five
eighty six BC by Nebuconezer and the Babylonians. The temple
was then rebuilt in around five sixteen BC by Zerubabul
and others. Then it existed for hundreds of years, and
Herod took a lot of his money during Jesus' day
(30:19):
and expanded the temple, and it actually was glorious in
the days of Jesus. But it was destroyed completely taken
to the ground in seventy AD by the Romans and
has stayed without being rebuilt for now two thousand plus years.
Here's what's so fascinating. We know that in nineteen sixty seven,
(30:41):
at the end of the Six Day War, East Jerusalem
was returned to the Jews. After that war. But they knew,
with all the international pressure upon them because the Alaska
Mosque and it being the third holiest site in all
of Islam, that if they tried to rebuild the Third Temple,
it would cause a huge international conflagration. So they gave
control of the Temple mount to the Jordanians and they
(31:03):
have overseen it since nineteen sixty seven. But what's so
fascinating right now Israel is under pressure to rebuild the
Third Temple. From where is that coming? Mostly conservative and
Orthodox Jews, but really from Jews around the world who
say that's our site and we should have our temple
built there. In nineteen eighty seven there was the Temple
(31:25):
Institute that was formed. Over the last several decades, they
have now all the utensils, everything that needs to be
implemented in order to recommence all of the sacrifices. They
have gone and recruited those who have the last name
Cohen Cohn, which implies the priesthood, and they've gotten the
necessary bloodlines to re establish the priestly order for the
(31:49):
recommencement of the sacrifices. They supposedly have several red heifers.
One they discovered that was impure, so they actually went
through a practice of the sacrifice of the red Heifer,
which those ashes are needed for the purification of the
priests to do the temple sacrifices. So there are all
kinds of rumors as well that they have rediscovered the
(32:09):
Ark of the Covenant and believe that or not. Oh my,
wouldn't that be an interesting movie. They have supposedly refounded
and are going to place that into the Holy of
Holies when the Third Temple is rebuilt. And what's most
fascinating is you're now seeing an aggressive reattempt of Jews
to go on the Temple Mount and pray. Now that's
not been allowed by the Jordanians over the past decades.
(32:33):
But now Ben Gavie, who's one of the leading members
of the Kanestan, I think he's a defense minister, very conservative,
has gone up on the Temple Mount with different people
and has actually extended his arms and bent his knee
and prayed to the One God of Israel on the
Temple Mount, where Jordanians in the past have had with
their submachine guns, and Marilyn, we've seen them on the
(32:54):
Temple Mount, escorted off the Temple Mount. Anyone who tries
to do that. They've allowed it to happen. And the
numbers of Jews who are worshiping now on the Temple
Mount exists, and they are the ones calling for the
reconstruction of the temple on that Temple Mount. How can
that happen with the Alaska Mosque and the other notable
(33:15):
Muslim shrines there, I don't know, but that is what's
being talked about. That's what's going on. And I've always
said to people, if you want to know about end times,
just watch the Temple Mount, watch what's going to happen there.
That will give you some signs and signals because in
Second Thessalonians, chapter two, the Antichrist has to go into
the third rebuilt Temple where he will declare himself to
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be God. I just find this fascinating. What about you,
Marilyn Well David?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
You know, I was thinking that our first trip to
Israel was right around the year two thousand, just before
nine to eleven, and you know, we were allowed to
go into the Alaska Mosque. I found out later we
were one of the last people to be able to
go into that Muslim holy place, and now it's forbidden.
But I'm thinking to myself, how fascinating that you've got
the Muslim Holy Place and the Jewish Holy Place just
(34:01):
yards from each other. I mean, how could you not
think this is going to be a place of conflict.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
And the Jews want this to happen. But Muslims throughout
the world are saying, if you lay one brick on
the foundation of building your temple, we're going to come
against Israel. We're going to come against Jerusalem and retake
that part of the world. So some think that could
be the light to the views of what will set
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off all of the final conflict in the end times.
I don't know, but it is fascinating to think about. Jin.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I think what's also fascinating is that the Temple mount
is the third holiest place for Islam. It's not the first,
not the second, but the third. And the Jews only
have this, it's.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
The only one they have. That's one of their arguments now,
just supposedly for Islams where Mohammad ascended to heaven. It's
so interesting how it seemed like so much of Islam
copies that which we believe as Christians. But anyway, that's
why it's so holy for them, but it's not their first,
nor their second. You're saying is their third. But before
the Jews, it is where they have the history of
their temple, and Arabs have always questioned whether that history
(35:07):
is true or not, because if they can prove the
temple existed and that David through Solomon rebuilt that temple,
that proves that homeland was given to the Jews. They've
always existed there and the Arabs have no claim to
that part of the world.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Marylynd, Yeah, it's fascinating. I'm still reflecting on our experience
there because, as I said earlier, we were there just
three months before October seventh hit, and we felt that
the only place I felt any tension all throughout Israel
or any of the surrounding areas, was right there on
the Temple Mount. And watching I saw a little Jewish
family with a mom and a dad and three or
four little kids walking around the Temple Mount and that
(35:45):
what would have been where the temple would be. But
there were the Jordanian guards with machine guns walking behind them,
very close, and I asked, our God, you know, what
are they going to do, you know, if something happens,
and he said, they are watching to make sure that
they not only don't pray verbally, but they're not even
allowed to look like they're praying silently. And I thought, well,
(36:06):
how do you police that? But that's how it was
very tense, wasn't it, David?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
And that tension still exists to this day and is
what we're trying to address today. You want to know
what's going on with Israel and in times, look at
the Temple Mount. It's one of the key places to look.
And let me end today's program by just giving a
nod of remembrance. On August the sixth, nineteen forty five,
eighty years ago, this past Wednesday was the dropping of
the two atomic bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. It's interesting
(36:35):
that America felt like that was the only way they
could stop the Pacific narrative that was going on after
the Germans had declared defeat in the Western Front in Europe,
but the Pacific War kept going on, and there were
estimates that the Japanese would be able to arm sixty
million of their civilians if America or the Allied forces
(36:55):
ever tried to invade Japan itself. And when the leaders
of the world looked and said, how can we avoid
the millions upon millions of casualties that will happen if
we have to invade Japan, As when they decided to
take the step to drop the nuclear bomb from the
Andola Gay airplane on August sixth, nineteen forty five. I
just want to remember those two hundred thousand who lost
(37:17):
their lives during that time period. But I also want
to remind ourselves that nuclear weaponry is a horrible reality,
and it is a way to cause humanity to be extinct.
And there's a lot of saber rattling going on in
the world right now, with nations threatening to use the
nuclear bomb against other nations, And I just think all
(37:39):
of us need to pause as we pray for peace.
As Jesus said, blessed are the peacemakers. As Jesus has
called himself the Prince of Peace, might we not be
so quick to use the end word, the nuclear word,
which causes enormous devastation, enormous casualties, enormous hurt, ormous pain.
(38:00):
And if you don't believe that, just look at Japan.
And although Nagasaki and hero Oshama have been rebuilt to
magnificent contemporary cities. We realize that it causes great devastation
and pain. Was it justified? Was it the right decision.
I'll leave that for people who do what just war
theory study, but it certainly is something we need to
contemplate eighty years later with not only just nuclear bombs,
(38:24):
but thermonuclear bombs. Everyone, thank you for listening today, Marylyn,
thank you for being with me. Jim Houston as well.
I'm David Chadwick. This is News Talk eleven, ten ninety
nine to three WBT, and I'll talk with you all
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