March 16, 2025 • 19 mins
Dreaming of quitting your 9-5 to launch that business idea? Before you hand in your resignation, our BIZ career coaches Michelle Battersby and Soph Hirst reveal what it really takes to succeed on your own.
Join Em Vernem to discover if entrepreneurship is truly for you, or if you're better suited to thrive elsewhere. Plus Michelle will share her crucial practical 3-step framework to validate your business idea before risking your savings
Whether you're contemplating your first side hustle or seriously considering going all-in on your startup dream, this episode delivers the unfiltered advice you need to make smarter career decisions—minus the entrepreneurial fairy tales.
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- Here is the site that Michelle used to make her questionnaire
- Here is Sunroom’s early ideation survey from 2020 and Sunroom’s creator research and feedback form, plus here is the Tiktok content she posted.
- Here is the link to Tech Ready Women that Soph was discussing.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
So much you're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. We
have recorded this podcast on the Gatagoul people of the
Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their elders past
and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and
Torres Strait Islander cultures.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Hello m venom here. I am one of the hosts
of Mamma MIA's new podcast Biz, which gives you actual
career advice and strategies you'll be able to use straight away.
My co hosts are Michelle Battisby who launched Bumble in Australia,
and Sophurst, who worked at Google and now mentors gen
Z into fast tracking their careers without destroying their work
(01:02):
life balance. No more generic advice, just real strategies from
women who've been there, done that. In this episode, we
get into whether you should or shouldn't start your own business.
Maybe you already know what you want to do and
that's so fine. This episode is for both women who
want to start their own businusinesses and those who prefer
working for a company. I hope you enjoy this episode
(01:25):
and for more episodes of Biz you can listen wherever
you get your podcasts. Hello, and welcome to biz your
work life sorted. I'm m Vernon and today we're tackling
the question that's probably popped into your head during every
terrible meeting you've sat through. Should I just quit and
start my own thing? Look, whether you're dreaming of launching
(01:49):
the next big tech startup, I'm good for you, or
if you're perfectly happy building your career in a company,
and honestly both are completely valid, then this episode is
for you. There's so much pressure these days to be entrepreneurial,
and sometimes we forget to ask ourselves if that is
actually what we want Today, our career coaches Michelle Battersby
and soph Hurst break down the real talk about both
(02:11):
parts and when I say real, I actually mean real.
Michelle is an entrepreneur who launched Bumble in Australia and
now runs her own startup and the Leaf from Google
to launch a coaching program for people in their early
career era. So they both worked in some of the
biggest companies in the world and now they run their
own businesses. So they've literally lived both sides of this story. Plus,
(02:34):
as a little extra.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Bonus for you.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Michelle is going to share three practical steps to avoid
accidentally burning through your life savings guilty. Here are your
big questions and concerns.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Have this amazing business idea, but everyone keeps telling me
I need more corporate experience first. How much experience is
enough before you can actually back yourself.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Everyone talks about finding the right co founder, but how
do you actually know if someone's right? Like, do you
go of your gut or is there some kind of
friendship to business partner formula?
Speaker 6 (03:06):
I see all these perfect startup stories on TikTok, but
no one talks about the missing middle part. How do
you actually go from thinking of an idea to starting
the actual business without losing your mind?
Speaker 5 (03:17):
The whole cost of living thing actually terrifies me to
start my own business, but I can barely afford rent.
How do people actually make that leap without family money
backing them.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's something a lot of us dream about, you know,
quitting our job and starting a business, and there's so
much social pressure online to be entrepreneurial and breakaway from
the nine to five. But is working for yourself for you?
Michelle and I both currently own our own businesses. But
before that, we worked at companies, so Google PwC City Bumble.
(03:53):
In today's episode, we're going to break down the hard
truths of both situations so you can make smanta decisions
for your career, and Michelle's going to give you three
practical steps that are going to stop you wasting your
life savings. Michelle, you've worked for some pretty awesome companies
and now you work for yourself, So which is better?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I think working at a company is better, particularly at
the start of your career. So I think if you've
landed a job at an organization where you believe in
the mission, you love the product, and you feel like
you have autonomy in your role that is just chef's kiss,
that can feel really amazing, and it can also set
(04:36):
you up with some really incredible skills that you can
then transition into entrepreneurship if you do choose to go
down that route later. But I also think it's worth
noting that entrepreneurship isn't for everyone, and you don't have
to go and start a business, and working at a
company can serve you amazingly throughout your whole career. But
I do think there is a definite value there if
(04:59):
you work for a company first.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
There's so many different factors at play here, and I
think what this episode's going to do today is help
people answer that question. Is working for yourself for you?
And then if it is, how do you go into it? Michelle,
I'm actually pretty surprised you said that. You said it
(05:22):
is better to work for a company at the start
of your career, and I feel like it's a bit
of a business hot take, because you know, it's counter
to the narrative that you see online right now, which
is all this stuff around like being a baby CEO,
all these inspirational career stories of entrepreneurs, and it feels
like everyone has a Shopify store.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
There's also a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Of anti corporate, anti company talk. Sometimes it feels like,
am I lame to work at a company? Explain yourself.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, I see those same narratives online and I don't
agree with them.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
In my experience.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
There are three epic reasons to work for a company first,
and I think the first one is really about flipping
that narrative on its head, like you are not a
slave because you work for the man. You know, all
this stuff you see online that you know, it's almost
less than it's not as fulfilling if you work for
someone else.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
There are so many incredible benefits to working for someone else,
and flip that narrative and take from your employer. You're
working in these big companies with processors, policies in place,
and money to help you develop your skills. Do the course,
seek exec coaching, travel shadow people. Take as much knowledge
(06:41):
as you can from that environment and build yourself on
paper and you can then take that to the next
company and propel yourself forward, or you can take it
into entrepreneurship. So that's I think the first benefit for
working for an organization is just how much you can
acquire new skills and gain exposure to certain things. The
second benefit is it's stable. It's financially stable employment. It
(07:06):
also helps you build a network. Your network will pay
dividends if you do go on to start your own business.
It'll also help you if you want to progress in
a corporate environment. But an example of how my network
benefited man once I started my own company was my
app was about to launch and three days from launch,
it was rejected by Apple in the app store for
(07:28):
a way we'd applied a certain piece of technology and
all of our creators were on it, ready to use it.
All of our media, we'd done, all our interviews, all
of our press was about to go live and we
were panicking. But we had someone on our cap table,
so someone who'd invested in us that had an app
that made a hell of a lot of money for Apple,
(07:50):
and we tapped that person on the shoulder, someone from
our network, and they were able to contact Apple, which
is very hard to do if you've got a baby app,
and they were able to get.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
That up approved for us.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So building a network will help you loads if you
do go on to start your own company.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So you feel like if you were straight out of
UNI trying to do this, you wouldn't have had that
same connection.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Definitely not.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
And your network will help you in so many other ways,
like raising capital, hiring people.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I think something people don't.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Realize is it's very hard to hire people when you
start a company because they don't know that your idea
is going to work, they don't know that your money's
not going to run out. They might not be willing
to take a smaller salary and sacrifice where they're at
for your dream. So most of your first hires are
people that already trust and know you, people that you
(08:42):
have to pull from your network. You can't just post
a job at and get all these people applying to
this unknown company, So it also can help you in
that regard as well actually build a team. The third
thing that I think is really beneficial is if you
start your own company, you also automatically become a leader.
And not everyone has natural leadership capabilities. So being in
(09:06):
an organization, you're exposed to managers, to leaders, to execs,
to people with decades and decades more experienced than you,
and you will be exposed to good leaders and bad leaders,
and you'll know how it feels to be an employee,
and that is very very important because if you've had
a bad manager, you know how shit that feels, and
(09:29):
you never want to make someone feel that. So it
helps you grow into the kind of leader that you
want to be, to have experienced both good and bad.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I actually thought of another thing that doesn't fit into
my three.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
But you also get to make mistakes and it's not
at your expense, it's on someone else's dime, and that
is a freedom that you do not feel when you
have your own company.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So those are all my pros.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
As someone who now owns a business, and I'm just
bleeding money from software mistakes that I didn't need to buy.
Make mistakes on someone else's money.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Use it as a crash course if you are really entrepreneurial,
see how many projects you can get your hands on
and use them as a crash course to starting your
own company, Like what projects can you build from the
ground up?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Michaell. Those are some pretty good reasons to be an employee.
But most Australians still have some kind of desire to
start their own business. So I think the numbers around
seventy percent. It's actually higher for gen Z. It's like
eighty four percent of gen Z say they want to
start their own business. On the way next, Michelle breaks
down exactly what you need to know before you start.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Your own business.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
We're talking about the transition from being an employee to
owning a business. What do you want our listeners to
know and what is the scary shit that no one
really talks about.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
I think the first thing for anyone to be aware
of who's starting to work on a side project is
what is in your current employment contract. This may or
may not seem obvious, but a lot of employment contracts
actually don't allow secondary employment. Or if you come up
with an idea whilst you're working at the company, they
own that ip and they own that idea. So simple
(11:22):
things like using your personal laptop, using your personal email,
if you are starting to dabble in certain things, it's
a good idea to make sure you're not pursuing something
that's a conflict of interest. If something is a conflict
of interest, then that could end up in a pretty
big legal kerfuffle for you and potentially lost time and money.
(11:42):
I was mentoring someone who had spent a considerable amount
of money developing an app, and they'd then gone and
told their employer about that app and it was deemed
a conflict of interest and they've not been able to
continue to pursue that side hustle.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So thinking about.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Where you're at in your career, what your idea is,
and being aware of what's in your employment contract is
a good thing to look out for. Secondary to that
is the main thing that a founder is going to
have to sacrifice, a financial sacrifices and time, So you
really want to make sure that you're pursuing something that
has legs, and ultimately you want to figure out if
(12:24):
it has legs in the fastest, cheapest way possible before
you start to sacrifice too much time and money.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I think that is actually where a lot of people
get really stuck. So the person who's sitting there thinking like,
I have this amazing idea that's going to change the world,
or you know, you might have someone who's like, I
want to start a business, but I don't even know
where to start. How can you actually validate a business idea?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, I think this is what I want to make
super clear, because I'm sure you've seen this as well.
So where someone comes to you for mentoring and they've
already spent their whole life savings developing an app or
some kind of product that they've never actually asked anyone
if they want, or maybe they've asked their parents or
their friends. That is a good start, but they're not
(13:09):
necessarily going to tell you the truth. So three ways
you can validate your idea without spending too much money
is surveying. So I recommend using a site called type
form generates really easy to use and interpret surveys generates
a link and you can send it out to anyone.
You could start with your friends. You could ask your
(13:29):
friends to pass it on to friends of them. You
could share it on LinkedIn and ask your immediate network
to get around it, and then it kind of spreads
from there.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
You could share it on social media.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
That is a really good way to test you've actually
identified a problem people have. You want to be asking
open ended questions where possible. You want to be asking
questions that aren't just going to give you the answers
that you want really broad industry insights. You need to
just start researching the space. So surveying is a really
big one. The second one in that vein is you
(14:03):
could actually start to generate content and again you could
keep this really broad. Like you're at the very start
right now. So let's just say you think that all
the influencers in the world right now are currently having
a huge problem managing their DMS.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
You could literally create a video.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Post it on TikTok and say to all the creators
out there, if you could hire one person in your
team to do one thing that would make your life easier,
what would it be that's just going to tell you
is DMS actually something that's coming up? Or have they
got other problems, you know, just little things like that
that will start letting you know if you're actually onto something.
(14:40):
Then the third one, and I love this, is competition
is good. Competition indicates that there actually is a need
for the thing you're focusing on. So go and find
all the competitors, all the companies that may have come
and gone in this realm, and hit up the founders
(15:02):
or ex employees or current employees maybe at those companies
and talk to them a similar method to the surveying,
but you're not going directly to your potential consumers with
this one. You're going to people that have actually worked
in it and have lived and breathed it and potentially
made mistakes, and you're figuring out out like what are
the red flags of this idea, or like is my
(15:24):
idea innovative? Or have I iterated enough on what these
other people have done to make this successful? And that
last one is actually inspo from my co founder because
there's an idea that she had for a platform, which
was to build the next gen Facebook Events platform, and
(15:45):
she found many people had tried to build a product
that was going to be the next version of Facebook Events,
and she just hit up all these ex founders who
had tried, and she got on the phone with them,
and she very quickly realized that that wasn't an idea
that she wanted to pursue, and she moved on to
the next And so this method is tried and tested.
(16:08):
The surveying with type form is exactly what I did
with my business before I went all in. None of
those ideas actually cost a dollar exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
It really feels like you're going from this idea is
in my head to now I'm actually getting it into
the real world and getting real feedback. I think that
point around not just your friends, It has to be
people you don't know, friends or friends, because I think
your friends are probably gonna they're gonna be pretty nice
to you about your ideas, so you want to make
sure you're validating it with other people.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Another thing that can often come out of this surveying
approach as well. Something that happened with me and Sunroom
is as I started doing the surveying, consumers were starting
to say to me, I'll invest in this, and that
for me was the light bulb moment where I thought, oh, okay,
I think we might be onto something with this. These
people are telling me they'll use it, and they're also
(16:57):
telling me they'd give me their own money for me
to go and build it.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So, Michelle, you were talking about the survey questions. Do
you actually have the survey that you did for Sunroom
that you can show people.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
I do.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Let's put it in the show notes.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
I will share the original Sunroom validation survey, and I
also have a TikTok that I posted about another app
that we were developing at Sunroom, where I was trying
to check the power of parasocial relationship. So I'll show
an example of content that I posted to validate if
an idea was good or not.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Michelle, I actually wanted to add one more point, which
is around this idea of sort of proving or disproving
your idea. I went through a similar situation where I
was leaving my company job and I wanted to figure
out what my business idea was going to be. I
still feel like I just wanted a bit more handholding.
I did a really great program, sort of a founder
(17:51):
program for women, and I just want to share with
you guys. It was called tech Ready Women. It totally
fit into my life. I think it was like a
six or seven week program, super cost effective. I think
it only cost me seven hundred dollars and it's partly
subsized by the government. It's run by this amazing woman,
Christy Whitehill, so we'll put that in the show notes
as well. I definitely recommend if people just want a
(18:13):
bit more support and coaching, that's a program I did.
All right, let's close this out with some action points.
So Action point number one is you really have to
be willing to sacrifice. So what are you going to
sacrifice in terms of your pay and in terms of
your time. Something that I did was just writing a
list down of what those sacrifices would be, so you're
(18:35):
going into this with your eyes fully open. Number two,
if you have an idea for a business, you really
want to start with validation. So what's the cheapest and
fastest way to prove or disprove your idea? And hint,
that's probably not building out a full app. Again, Michelle's
really helpful steps are going to be in our newsletter.
And action point number three. I sort of wanted to
(18:58):
end the episode with something that I think summarizes this
really well. It's something I heard the other day, So
making money is your reward for putting value into the world,
So don't think of it in terms of what do
I want to build. Think of it in terms of
what people actually need.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
So my absolute favorite thing about this episode is being
assured that it's okay to love your corporate job. I'm
sure Mama Mia is very happy about that. Sometimes we
want to go boss, and sometimes we just don't. And
for anyone sitting there with the business idea burning a
hole in their brain, please please please check out our newsletter.
This week, Michelle's broken down exactly how to validate your
(19:45):
idea without spending assent. I'll chat to you in our
Inbox episode that drops this Thursday, where we answer all
of your career dilemmas and see you next time.
So much you're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. We
have recorded this podcast on the Gatagoul people of the
Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their elders past
and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and
Torres Strait Islander cultures.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Hello m venom here. I am one of the hosts
of Mamma MIA's new podcast Biz, which gives you actual
career advice and strategies you'll be able to use straight away.
My co hosts are Michelle Battisby who launched Bumble in Australia,
and Sophurst, who worked at Google and now mentors gen
Z into fast tracking their careers without destroying their work
(01:02):
life balance. No more generic advice, just real strategies from
women who've been there, done that. In this episode, we
get into whether you should or shouldn't start your own business.
Maybe you already know what you want to do and
that's so fine. This episode is for both women who
want to start their own businusinesses and those who prefer
working for a company. I hope you enjoy this episode
(01:25):
and for more episodes of Biz you can listen wherever
you get your podcasts. Hello, and welcome to biz your
work life sorted. I'm m Vernon and today we're tackling
the question that's probably popped into your head during every
terrible meeting you've sat through. Should I just quit and
start my own thing? Look, whether you're dreaming of launching
(01:49):
the next big tech startup, I'm good for you, or
if you're perfectly happy building your career in a company,
and honestly both are completely valid, then this episode is
for you. There's so much pressure these days to be entrepreneurial,
and sometimes we forget to ask ourselves if that is
actually what we want Today, our career coaches Michelle Battersby
and soph Hurst break down the real talk about both
(02:11):
parts and when I say real, I actually mean real.
Michelle is an entrepreneur who launched Bumble in Australia and
now runs her own startup and the Leaf from Google
to launch a coaching program for people in their early
career era. So they both worked in some of the
biggest companies in the world and now they run their
own businesses. So they've literally lived both sides of this story. Plus,
(02:34):
as a little extra.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Bonus for you.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Michelle is going to share three practical steps to avoid
accidentally burning through your life savings guilty. Here are your
big questions and concerns.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Have this amazing business idea, but everyone keeps telling me
I need more corporate experience first. How much experience is
enough before you can actually back yourself.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Everyone talks about finding the right co founder, but how
do you actually know if someone's right? Like, do you
go of your gut or is there some kind of
friendship to business partner formula?
Speaker 6 (03:06):
I see all these perfect startup stories on TikTok, but
no one talks about the missing middle part. How do
you actually go from thinking of an idea to starting
the actual business without losing your mind?
Speaker 5 (03:17):
The whole cost of living thing actually terrifies me to
start my own business, but I can barely afford rent.
How do people actually make that leap without family money
backing them.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's something a lot of us dream about, you know,
quitting our job and starting a business, and there's so
much social pressure online to be entrepreneurial and breakaway from
the nine to five. But is working for yourself for you?
Michelle and I both currently own our own businesses. But
before that, we worked at companies, so Google PwC City Bumble.
(03:53):
In today's episode, we're going to break down the hard
truths of both situations so you can make smanta decisions
for your career, and Michelle's going to give you three
practical steps that are going to stop you wasting your
life savings. Michelle, you've worked for some pretty awesome companies
and now you work for yourself, So which is better?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I think working at a company is better, particularly at
the start of your career. So I think if you've
landed a job at an organization where you believe in
the mission, you love the product, and you feel like
you have autonomy in your role that is just chef's kiss,
that can feel really amazing, and it can also set
(04:36):
you up with some really incredible skills that you can
then transition into entrepreneurship if you do choose to go
down that route later. But I also think it's worth
noting that entrepreneurship isn't for everyone, and you don't have
to go and start a business, and working at a
company can serve you amazingly throughout your whole career. But
I do think there is a definite value there if
(04:59):
you work for a company first.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
There's so many different factors at play here, and I
think what this episode's going to do today is help
people answer that question. Is working for yourself for you?
And then if it is, how do you go into it? Michelle,
I'm actually pretty surprised you said that. You said it
(05:22):
is better to work for a company at the start
of your career, and I feel like it's a bit
of a business hot take, because you know, it's counter
to the narrative that you see online right now, which
is all this stuff around like being a baby CEO,
all these inspirational career stories of entrepreneurs, and it feels
like everyone has a Shopify store.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
There's also a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Of anti corporate, anti company talk. Sometimes it feels like,
am I lame to work at a company? Explain yourself.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, I see those same narratives online and I don't
agree with them.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
In my experience.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
There are three epic reasons to work for a company first,
and I think the first one is really about flipping
that narrative on its head, like you are not a
slave because you work for the man. You know, all
this stuff you see online that you know, it's almost
less than it's not as fulfilling if you work for
someone else.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
There are so many incredible benefits to working for someone else,
and flip that narrative and take from your employer. You're
working in these big companies with processors, policies in place,
and money to help you develop your skills. Do the course,
seek exec coaching, travel shadow people. Take as much knowledge
(06:41):
as you can from that environment and build yourself on
paper and you can then take that to the next
company and propel yourself forward, or you can take it
into entrepreneurship. So that's I think the first benefit for
working for an organization is just how much you can
acquire new skills and gain exposure to certain things. The
second benefit is it's stable. It's financially stable employment. It
(07:06):
also helps you build a network. Your network will pay
dividends if you do go on to start your own business.
It'll also help you if you want to progress in
a corporate environment. But an example of how my network
benefited man once I started my own company was my
app was about to launch and three days from launch,
it was rejected by Apple in the app store for
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a way we'd applied a certain piece of technology and
all of our creators were on it, ready to use it.
All of our media, we'd done, all our interviews, all
of our press was about to go live and we
were panicking. But we had someone on our cap table,
so someone who'd invested in us that had an app
that made a hell of a lot of money for Apple,
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and we tapped that person on the shoulder, someone from
our network, and they were able to contact Apple, which
is very hard to do if you've got a baby app,
and they were able to get.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
That up approved for us.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So building a network will help you loads if you
do go on to start your own company.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So you feel like if you were straight out of
UNI trying to do this, you wouldn't have had that
same connection.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Definitely not.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
And your network will help you in so many other ways,
like raising capital, hiring people.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I think something people don't.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Realize is it's very hard to hire people when you
start a company because they don't know that your idea
is going to work, they don't know that your money's
not going to run out. They might not be willing
to take a smaller salary and sacrifice where they're at
for your dream. So most of your first hires are
people that already trust and know you, people that you
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have to pull from your network. You can't just post
a job at and get all these people applying to
this unknown company, So it also can help you in
that regard as well actually build a team. The third
thing that I think is really beneficial is if you
start your own company, you also automatically become a leader.
And not everyone has natural leadership capabilities. So being in
(09:06):
an organization, you're exposed to managers, to leaders, to execs,
to people with decades and decades more experienced than you,
and you will be exposed to good leaders and bad leaders,
and you'll know how it feels to be an employee,
and that is very very important because if you've had
a bad manager, you know how shit that feels, and
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you never want to make someone feel that. So it
helps you grow into the kind of leader that you
want to be, to have experienced both good and bad.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I actually thought of another thing that doesn't fit into
my three.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
But you also get to make mistakes and it's not
at your expense, it's on someone else's dime, and that
is a freedom that you do not feel when you
have your own company.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So those are all my pros.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
As someone who now owns a business, and I'm just
bleeding money from software mistakes that I didn't need to buy.
Make mistakes on someone else's money.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Use it as a crash course if you are really entrepreneurial,
see how many projects you can get your hands on
and use them as a crash course to starting your
own company, Like what projects can you build from the
ground up?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Michaell. Those are some pretty good reasons to be an employee.
But most Australians still have some kind of desire to
start their own business. So I think the numbers around
seventy percent. It's actually higher for gen Z. It's like
eighty four percent of gen Z say they want to
start their own business. On the way next, Michelle breaks
down exactly what you need to know before you start.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Your own business.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
We're talking about the transition from being an employee to
owning a business. What do you want our listeners to
know and what is the scary shit that no one
really talks about.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
I think the first thing for anyone to be aware
of who's starting to work on a side project is
what is in your current employment contract. This may or
may not seem obvious, but a lot of employment contracts
actually don't allow secondary employment. Or if you come up
with an idea whilst you're working at the company, they
own that ip and they own that idea. So simple
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things like using your personal laptop, using your personal email,
if you are starting to dabble in certain things, it's
a good idea to make sure you're not pursuing something
that's a conflict of interest. If something is a conflict
of interest, then that could end up in a pretty
big legal kerfuffle for you and potentially lost time and money.
(11:42):
I was mentoring someone who had spent a considerable amount
of money developing an app, and they'd then gone and
told their employer about that app and it was deemed
a conflict of interest and they've not been able to
continue to pursue that side hustle.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So thinking about.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Where you're at in your career, what your idea is,
and being aware of what's in your employment contract is
a good thing to look out for. Secondary to that
is the main thing that a founder is going to
have to sacrifice, a financial sacrifices and time, So you
really want to make sure that you're pursuing something that
has legs, and ultimately you want to figure out if
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it has legs in the fastest, cheapest way possible before
you start to sacrifice too much time and money.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I think that is actually where a lot of people
get really stuck. So the person who's sitting there thinking like,
I have this amazing idea that's going to change the world,
or you know, you might have someone who's like, I
want to start a business, but I don't even know
where to start. How can you actually validate a business idea?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, I think this is what I want to make
super clear, because I'm sure you've seen this as well.
So where someone comes to you for mentoring and they've
already spent their whole life savings developing an app or
some kind of product that they've never actually asked anyone
if they want, or maybe they've asked their parents or
their friends. That is a good start, but they're not
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necessarily going to tell you the truth. So three ways
you can validate your idea without spending too much money
is surveying. So I recommend using a site called type
form generates really easy to use and interpret surveys generates
a link and you can send it out to anyone.
You could start with your friends. You could ask your
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friends to pass it on to friends of them. You
could share it on LinkedIn and ask your immediate network
to get around it, and then it kind of spreads
from there.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
You could share it on social media.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
That is a really good way to test you've actually
identified a problem people have. You want to be asking
open ended questions where possible. You want to be asking
questions that aren't just going to give you the answers
that you want really broad industry insights. You need to
just start researching the space. So surveying is a really
big one. The second one in that vein is you
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could actually start to generate content and again you could
keep this really broad. Like you're at the very start
right now. So let's just say you think that all
the influencers in the world right now are currently having
a huge problem managing their DMS.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
You could literally create a video.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Post it on TikTok and say to all the creators
out there, if you could hire one person in your
team to do one thing that would make your life easier,
what would it be that's just going to tell you
is DMS actually something that's coming up? Or have they
got other problems, you know, just little things like that
that will start letting you know if you're actually onto something.
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Then the third one, and I love this, is competition
is good. Competition indicates that there actually is a need
for the thing you're focusing on. So go and find
all the competitors, all the companies that may have come
and gone in this realm, and hit up the founders
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or ex employees or current employees maybe at those companies
and talk to them a similar method to the surveying,
but you're not going directly to your potential consumers with
this one. You're going to people that have actually worked
in it and have lived and breathed it and potentially
made mistakes, and you're figuring out out like what are
the red flags of this idea, or like is my
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idea innovative? Or have I iterated enough on what these
other people have done to make this successful? And that
last one is actually inspo from my co founder because
there's an idea that she had for a platform, which
was to build the next gen Facebook Events platform, and
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she found many people had tried to build a product
that was going to be the next version of Facebook Events,
and she just hit up all these ex founders who
had tried, and she got on the phone with them,
and she very quickly realized that that wasn't an idea
that she wanted to pursue, and she moved on to
the next And so this method is tried and tested.
(16:08):
The surveying with type form is exactly what I did
with my business before I went all in. None of
those ideas actually cost a dollar exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
It really feels like you're going from this idea is
in my head to now I'm actually getting it into
the real world and getting real feedback. I think that
point around not just your friends, It has to be
people you don't know, friends or friends, because I think
your friends are probably gonna they're gonna be pretty nice
to you about your ideas, so you want to make
sure you're validating it with other people.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Another thing that can often come out of this surveying
approach as well. Something that happened with me and Sunroom
is as I started doing the surveying, consumers were starting
to say to me, I'll invest in this, and that
for me was the light bulb moment where I thought, oh, okay,
I think we might be onto something with this. These
people are telling me they'll use it, and they're also
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telling me they'd give me their own money for me
to go and build it.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So, Michelle, you were talking about the survey questions. Do
you actually have the survey that you did for Sunroom
that you can show people.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
I do.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Let's put it in the show notes.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
I will share the original Sunroom validation survey, and I
also have a TikTok that I posted about another app
that we were developing at Sunroom, where I was trying
to check the power of parasocial relationship. So I'll show
an example of content that I posted to validate if
an idea was good or not.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Michelle, I actually wanted to add one more point, which
is around this idea of sort of proving or disproving
your idea. I went through a similar situation where I
was leaving my company job and I wanted to figure
out what my business idea was going to be. I
still feel like I just wanted a bit more handholding.
I did a really great program, sort of a founder
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program for women, and I just want to share with
you guys. It was called tech Ready Women. It totally
fit into my life. I think it was like a
six or seven week program, super cost effective. I think
it only cost me seven hundred dollars and it's partly
subsized by the government. It's run by this amazing woman,
Christy Whitehill, so we'll put that in the show notes
as well. I definitely recommend if people just want a
(18:13):
bit more support and coaching, that's a program I did.
All right, let's close this out with some action points.
So Action point number one is you really have to
be willing to sacrifice. So what are you going to
sacrifice in terms of your pay and in terms of
your time. Something that I did was just writing a
list down of what those sacrifices would be, so you're
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going into this with your eyes fully open. Number two,
if you have an idea for a business, you really
want to start with validation. So what's the cheapest and
fastest way to prove or disprove your idea? And hint,
that's probably not building out a full app. Again, Michelle's
really helpful steps are going to be in our newsletter.
And action point number three. I sort of wanted to
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end the episode with something that I think summarizes this
really well. It's something I heard the other day, So
making money is your reward for putting value into the world,
So don't think of it in terms of what do
I want to build. Think of it in terms of
what people actually need.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
So my absolute favorite thing about this episode is being
assured that it's okay to love your corporate job. I'm
sure Mama Mia is very happy about that. Sometimes we
want to go boss, and sometimes we just don't. And
for anyone sitting there with the business idea burning a
hole in their brain, please please please check out our newsletter.
This week, Michelle's broken down exactly how to validate your
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idea without spending assent. I'll chat to you in our
Inbox episode that drops this Thursday, where we answer all
of your career dilemmas and see you next time.
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