April 6, 2025 • 16 mins
If you’ve been glued to The White Lotus this season, you’re not alone. In this exclusive episode, our Head of Entertainment Laura Brodnik sits down with two of the stars from Season 3: Natasha Rothwell and Leslie Bibb.
Natasha reflects on returning to White Lotus—what’s changed since Season 1, her character’s solo journey, and going after the career she truly wants.
Leslie unpacks the internet’s wild reaction to the “three women” storyline, why it resonates with both men and women, and the power of unapologetically owning your truth. And yes, they she spills behind-the-scenes details about that pool scene.
Plus, hear their gratitude for creator Mike White—who continues to write midlife women with nuance, humour, and heart.
This special drop is inspired by a story by Holly Wainwright on Mamamia
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a mother Mia podcast. Mamma Mere acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on Hello, they're friends. We're dropping something special
in your feed today. It's a conversation that our head
of Entertainment, Laura Brodnick, had this week with two of
the most watched women in the world right now, Natasha
(00:33):
Rothwell and Leslie Bibb. Yes, that's Belinda and Kate from
The White Lotus. These two great actresses were part of
the show's recent visit to Australia along with Patrick Schwarzenage.
You probably saw the pictures of them all over Sydney
and Laura was lucky enough to sit down with them
and ask them all the things that you might want
to know. Since this is Natasha's second White Lotus season,
(00:56):
how did it differ from the five star Hawaiian prison
vibe of the first? And what is it like Leslie
to be one third of the most talked about threesome
friendship on TV? A few weeks ago, I shared an
I'd written about these women in your midfeed because there
was a wonderful scene with them when they realized that
they'd just been both aide, shamed and thrown a glimpse
(01:16):
of their future by Paul in Thailand. Scroll back and
have a listen to that. Laura also asks about why
this friendship dynamic has hit such a nerve, what behind
the scenes gossip they're prepared to give us, and what
we can expect from the season FINALI tonight come and
chat with the White Loaders women and Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So I wanted to start by asking you both about
the filming process because White loatus very infamously as I'm
sure you already knew, very unique filming experiences with the
amount of content you have to shoot, but you're all
the way in this almost camp like environment, and the
cast of season two very infamously said that they were
the hardest partiers, that they were always off doing having adventures.
(01:54):
How did the season three casts stuck up to that?
Did we have any of those stories? I think we
rather adventures? Well, can we share one? What's the most memorable?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
My god, there were so many. There's a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
There was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
There was always a good boat trip happening.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yeah, and everyone be like, I'm going out, who wants
to snorkel?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
And like a lot of always karaoke.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, I was the ringleader.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, I went.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
To Japan with Amy Lou. A lot of us went
to Cambodia. Yeah, I feel like they really I had
heard there were very.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
They were big partiers.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Yeah, but I feel like the truth with all of
us is that we're all sort of we're all like
acting now that they're not actors actors, but like we're
such little nerves, like we would never hungover to be
prepared and be yes, I don't that's not my that's
not my jam.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That was like literally gives me anxiety.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Literally, you know when the Little Mermaid says, you know,
I want to be where the people are, that's not me.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I want to be where the people are. That's where
my people.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Yes, I.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Think out of all the casts, I think we were
probably very codependently.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
Well yeah, season one, we had to be right because
we were on lockdown.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
We weren't allowed to leave the hotel.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
It was very much like you know, it was beautiful,
but it was definitely like a five start prison.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
We could, you know, like we could leave.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
This season, he was gorgeous, relationious.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
They turned off our key cards, like I heard that.
Speaker 7 (03:27):
Story was yeah, and so you literally locked in.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah, because that.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Was it was COVID like pre vaccination. We didn't know
what it was going to become.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
So we're just like, Also, you couldn't if you got out,
if you left your cards, couldn't getting back in your
car stopped working, So they knew if you were being
a sneaky sneak.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
So now this time around, we could we could go everyone,
but we chose each other.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Ah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And speaking of that correlation from season one obviously with
seeing your character come back and complete her arc, which
fans is so excited about because you all felt very
protecting you know that she completed.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Did you do you know something that.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Maybe well no, I'm just even just seeing you come
back now and your sun and I mean, if you'd
like to tell me how to show listen to that.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
But I'm saying, being the second part of her story,
what was that like to come back and see this
character again? You know, she's still trying to build a
business and she's raising her son, and she's.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Like like almost in a crossroads at her life. Why she's
going to go next?
Speaker 6 (04:19):
I mean it's I mean, it's tantamounts is sort of
like you go in your closet and there's an outfit
that you had on before and you loved it, and
you get to put it on again, you know. And
I was just so excited to be able to continue
that story and having the world see that, you know, Tiny.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Didn't break her.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
You know, she found resilience and she found sort of
like the ability to.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Bring back joy in her life.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
You know, she chose to take herself on this solo
trip to Thailand at the beginning solo trip until her
son joins her. And as someone who travels solo in
real life, it's a really scary thing to do if
you haven't done before, and you're really kind of you're
being asked to sort of you know, show up for
yourself in ways that you don't you know, you hadn't.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Before, And so it's really wonderful to.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
See her in this new light.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
And you know, sometimes you know, I hear people saying, oh,
she's she's a different per you know this season. I'm like,
all of that existed before, but she never let it out.
So it's just nice to see her be able to
open herself in this way.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Also, she's a different person because of what happened, correct, Yes,
because changes you.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, it's traumatic.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
So you are seeing a woman changed from what I
mean and allowing herself to did.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Her dirty, did her so dirty?
Speaker 6 (05:32):
And I think you can take those bad things that
happen in life and you can decide to move differently.
And I think that's how it changed her.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
You know.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
I think who she is was there, but she's made
the decision to allow other people to see it and
give zero fs about you know.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And then we have been confronted with her past, with
meeting up with Greg and having to sort of and
she has Yeah, we're not loving him, we can. I know,
you can't give away too much. Are we going to
get some sort of seck satisfactory resolution as an audience.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
To I can't.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
I can't speak to other people's satisfaction. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
That we can't.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
But I do think that, like the finale will not disappoint.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
I remember reading it and I had to remind myself
to breathe while I was reading it because I was
just the tension page after page, just it's beautifully executed.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, it U.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
Leslie with your character.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I mean, there's so many crazy plots going on in
this season, we've got some murder and intrigue and love
stories and some light incests between bak matter as an
audience for all enjoying. But it's this dynamic between these
three friends that has really captured people's attention. That's been
the most think pieces, the most TikTok video is the
(06:53):
most Everything is really sent to.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Me, not to me.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I don't know how you knew.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Jump I said it to Dave. I was just like,
this story is powerful.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Oh, it's so cool.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
The three of us were like, oh gosh, we is
it even gonna like translate to people, like because will
it be like overshadowed because these other stories were so
so big and like.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
And what do you think it is about that time
that friendship?
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I think because it's relatable because you can put yourself
in that and you can see yourself in that, whether
it be a woman or a man, because I've had
both come up to me and say, oh, I sort
of is that how I relate to my friends?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, it's sort of like, well, it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
It's like a holding up a mirror, and mirrors are
a big theme this year, and in that imagery of
doppelgangers and you know and vulnerability and how to walk
through this life like.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Without apologizing for your truth.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Which I think is what Frank's doing in that monologue
that he has is like because I you know, the
girls we laughed, were like, God, if we just come
in with some Frank energy and just said.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Our truths, ye would be done. I would that you
wouldn't be anything.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
We'd just be drinking rose and having a good time
and doing a lot of yoga because we can't because
that's so scary to be vulnerable. I mean that's something
I think like even the vulnerability that you come into
this with porn chies really.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Beautiful and that for you. I love that Mike sort
of that's how he sort of went in.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
I just love that that theme and how it resonates.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Through your storyline is really and.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I will say this about the girl's storyline. I went
to school for theater nerd Alert and Tennessee Williams.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
He's known for subtext.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
And it's like plays before there was air conditioning, you
know what I mean, where it's just like people were
just saying the bare minimum, but you know they were
feeling the most, and so you have them doing this
sort of like like old school cat on a hot
tin roof where no one they're saying like past the salt.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
It's a nice but the subtext is.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Like deep and you feel it when you watch them
and when you want and that's the relatability because we
all know what it's like to move through the world
and not say the thing yeah, and just so see
these women move that way.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
It's just like you feel almost seen when.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
You watch it.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
You're like, oh wow, yeah yeah, and that's.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
One and I think like like for Kate like that,
like Mike said something to us, I've said this before,
but like we came in with our girls, were the
first ones to shoot our in Start in Thailand, and
we did our first villosine like literally like here's the.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Thailand, and we sort of motored through the scene. It's
like a five page scene, and then Mike came out.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
He's like whoha, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down, slow down,
slow down, which you don't often hear in television, and
it just sort of for me was like, oh, yeah,
it's not it's what we're not saying. He's like, I'm
okay with silences. It's just such a beautiful thing. And
for me. I think it.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Was the real churn point where everything sort of I.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Don't even know if I was aware consciously, but subconsciously
I was something shifted with the work i'd already started
to prepare for Kate. I know it changed not the course,
but it just it's like I got a couple extra paddles. Yeah,
you were my canoe, and I was like, okay, now
let's go up stay yeah, yeah, yeah, and all.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That relatability that you're both talking about again. There's a
very small scene that has gone quite viral. I don't
know if you've seen the stories around it. A writer
aund Our Network wrote a story that we've never had.
We've had thousands of comments from the pool scene where
the group of friends go to the pool and then
the Juckuline in particular looks around and says, wait a second,
is this how.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
The world sees us in this old category where we.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
See ourselves in this completely different life stage and you
see even kind of push against that. So what was
it like to feel that scene or was that a
conversation that you were having on set on that thing
of like being put into an age group.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
That you want.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Well, I think that we were I mean, first off,
Michelle Carey and I would never there would only be
one of us, right, they only like they'll cast like
more men in the same age, I find usually, but
if it's like it's one woman orient you are the
woman of color, or you're the woman with the blonde hair,
or you're this, or you're that, and you're one.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
So to be able to go work with two women.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
That I really admire and I would never get to
have this, I'd never be in the same playing field
with them, was really exciting. So also, Mike writes, great
women who are twenty two years old. Now you write
all they're great women who are twenty in their twenties
on the show, But there are a lot of women
(11:48):
who would be by Hollywood standards older, and Mike just
writes for us and it's must see.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
In particular, it's like to see the three of them
juxtaposed with like older women, and it's kind of the
intersection of like the how they're being perceived and how
perceive themselves. Yeah, and the tension of that of like
is this us and then bucking it and.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, like yeah, I mean I sometimes do that.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
I mean I look in the mirror, I mean, that's
the weirdest thing with aging, Like in my head, I
still think.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I'm an entren and I'm like, no.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Girl, I mean we older. I think we all know it.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
But I also don't want to believe the number that's
a sign.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
To me, because I think that you can't directly.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I remember my mom said something to me like she's like, well,
I'm in the twilight of my years and I.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Was like, Mom, you're sixty five.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
That's not a lot of life left.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Yeah, But I think the power of believing that is
how old would you be if you didn't know how
old you were?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (12:58):
And I think there is our minds are really powerful.
So I try not to think about that. So I
kind of love Jacqueline like lifting up and being like.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Where the world Yeah, and she's like let's go.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
And then there's something like I know she can be
Jacqueline can be a tricky friend sometimes like maybe you
don't want your men around her, but but she is
a good time and she does have like she's like,
let's do it.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
We're not dead, let's go.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
And so there's some part of I think all the women,
like all of us, have like things that are assets
and things.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That are maybe their achilles heel that they.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Can work on, and every kind of friendship group, each
person has their own sort of superpower.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
And Jacqueline's is like.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Let's go, and you're just like, we're not going to
wake up, you know, we have to.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, she's not going to let you make that bad
of a decision.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I'm surprised she didn't go, Like if she could have,
she would probably knocked on and like stop that.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I made a choice because I wasn't supposed to. But
I was like, Kate does not like Valentine's choice.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
You made it, yes, because.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
It wasn't supposed to. And I just suddenly I was like,
he is ruining our vacation.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
So I was like, every time he comes, Kate's always like,
oh Hill, yes.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And as we move towards the finale and I can
tell her careful, you've both been not to give anything
away because people are so desperate to know. How hard
does it mean to keep these secrets. I mean you're
saying that you're reading the script and you're nearly passing
out and you're having to keep your secrets, and also
and also with your partner coming in and having this
listen the other thing, vil character, what are the links
we go to?
Speaker 6 (14:47):
It is I've lied to like my mother's face, like
just I'm like, I won't tell anyone.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
And I was cast or not cast, but I.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Was announced as being returning when they thought we were
shooting the end of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
But the lives happened. Yes, So I was out on
a limb by.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Myself for a year before anyone else had to carry
the burden of like knowing.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
What was going to happen.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
And so I'm just I think it's going to be
such a cathartic experience to have the world finally, have you.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Been lying to your loved ones as well? How many lives?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I just don't, I just I just stop. I just
looked down.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah sure.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah. Also too, was there something that happened? Am I
making this up?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
That there once we all sort of read the scenes
that then they sent out like fake sides.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Oh yeah, you would have to.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
There's fakes rats on set.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Pages with different endings, and just to make sure.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
In case we could catch someone sharing.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
So you shut your mouth because they really will set
you up.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah. I love to do that.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Well, we can't wait to see the finale. And also
just this season has been so incredible.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Do you like the music?
Speaker 7 (16:09):
I actually did.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I thought each each the season should have its own
target song.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
I did love that.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Sorry, I probably go to It's really good.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
I feel like people are now catching on, like I
think christ of All was like it's don't worry, It's
gonna make sense.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, yes, no, I loved it. And again, thank you
both so much for your time, so much.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I thank you
You're listening to a mother Mia podcast. Mamma Mere acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on Hello, they're friends. We're dropping something special
in your feed today. It's a conversation that our head
of Entertainment, Laura Brodnick, had this week with two of
the most watched women in the world right now, Natasha
(00:33):
Rothwell and Leslie Bibb. Yes, that's Belinda and Kate from
The White Lotus. These two great actresses were part of
the show's recent visit to Australia along with Patrick Schwarzenage.
You probably saw the pictures of them all over Sydney
and Laura was lucky enough to sit down with them
and ask them all the things that you might want
to know. Since this is Natasha's second White Lotus season,
(00:56):
how did it differ from the five star Hawaiian prison
vibe of the first? And what is it like Leslie
to be one third of the most talked about threesome
friendship on TV? A few weeks ago, I shared an
I'd written about these women in your midfeed because there
was a wonderful scene with them when they realized that
they'd just been both aide, shamed and thrown a glimpse
(01:16):
of their future by Paul in Thailand. Scroll back and
have a listen to that. Laura also asks about why
this friendship dynamic has hit such a nerve, what behind
the scenes gossip they're prepared to give us, and what
we can expect from the season FINALI tonight come and
chat with the White Loaders women and Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So I wanted to start by asking you both about
the filming process because White loatus very infamously as I'm
sure you already knew, very unique filming experiences with the
amount of content you have to shoot, but you're all
the way in this almost camp like environment, and the
cast of season two very infamously said that they were
the hardest partiers, that they were always off doing having adventures.
(01:54):
How did the season three casts stuck up to that?
Did we have any of those stories? I think we
rather adventures? Well, can we share one? What's the most memorable?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
My god, there were so many. There's a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
There was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
There was always a good boat trip happening.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yeah, and everyone be like, I'm going out, who wants
to snorkel?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
And like a lot of always karaoke.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, I was the ringleader.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, I went.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
To Japan with Amy Lou. A lot of us went
to Cambodia. Yeah, I feel like they really I had
heard there were very.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
They were big partiers.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Yeah, but I feel like the truth with all of
us is that we're all sort of we're all like
acting now that they're not actors actors, but like we're
such little nerves, like we would never hungover to be
prepared and be yes, I don't that's not my that's
not my jam.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That was like literally gives me anxiety.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Literally, you know when the Little Mermaid says, you know,
I want to be where the people are, that's not me.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I want to be where the people are. That's where
my people.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Yes, I.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Think out of all the casts, I think we were
probably very codependently.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
Well yeah, season one, we had to be right because
we were on lockdown.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
We weren't allowed to leave the hotel.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
It was very much like you know, it was beautiful,
but it was definitely like a five start prison.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
We could, you know, like we could leave.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
This season, he was gorgeous, relationious.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
They turned off our key cards, like I heard that.
Speaker 7 (03:27):
Story was yeah, and so you literally locked in.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah, because that.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Was it was COVID like pre vaccination. We didn't know
what it was going to become.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
So we're just like, Also, you couldn't if you got out,
if you left your cards, couldn't getting back in your
car stopped working, So they knew if you were being
a sneaky sneak.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
So now this time around, we could we could go everyone,
but we chose each other.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Ah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And speaking of that correlation from season one obviously with
seeing your character come back and complete her arc, which
fans is so excited about because you all felt very
protecting you know that she completed.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Did you do you know something that.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Maybe well no, I'm just even just seeing you come
back now and your sun and I mean, if you'd
like to tell me how to show listen to that.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
But I'm saying, being the second part of her story,
what was that like to come back and see this
character again? You know, she's still trying to build a
business and she's raising her son, and she's.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Like like almost in a crossroads at her life. Why she's
going to go next?
Speaker 6 (04:19):
I mean it's I mean, it's tantamounts is sort of
like you go in your closet and there's an outfit
that you had on before and you loved it, and
you get to put it on again, you know. And
I was just so excited to be able to continue
that story and having the world see that, you know, Tiny.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Didn't break her.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
You know, she found resilience and she found sort of
like the ability to.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Bring back joy in her life.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
You know, she chose to take herself on this solo
trip to Thailand at the beginning solo trip until her
son joins her. And as someone who travels solo in
real life, it's a really scary thing to do if
you haven't done before, and you're really kind of you're
being asked to sort of you know, show up for
yourself in ways that you don't you know, you hadn't.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Before, And so it's really wonderful to.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
See her in this new light.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
And you know, sometimes you know, I hear people saying, oh,
she's she's a different per you know this season. I'm like,
all of that existed before, but she never let it out.
So it's just nice to see her be able to
open herself in this way.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Also, she's a different person because of what happened, correct, Yes,
because changes you.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, it's traumatic.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
So you are seeing a woman changed from what I
mean and allowing herself to did.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Her dirty, did her so dirty?
Speaker 6 (05:32):
And I think you can take those bad things that
happen in life and you can decide to move differently.
And I think that's how it changed her.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
You know.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
I think who she is was there, but she's made
the decision to allow other people to see it and
give zero fs about you know.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And then we have been confronted with her past, with
meeting up with Greg and having to sort of and
she has Yeah, we're not loving him, we can. I know,
you can't give away too much. Are we going to
get some sort of seck satisfactory resolution as an audience.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
To I can't.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
I can't speak to other people's satisfaction. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
That we can't.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
But I do think that, like the finale will not disappoint.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
I remember reading it and I had to remind myself
to breathe while I was reading it because I was
just the tension page after page, just it's beautifully executed.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, it U.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
Leslie with your character.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I mean, there's so many crazy plots going on in
this season, we've got some murder and intrigue and love
stories and some light incests between bak matter as an
audience for all enjoying. But it's this dynamic between these
three friends that has really captured people's attention. That's been
the most think pieces, the most TikTok video is the
(06:53):
most Everything is really sent to.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Me, not to me.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I don't know how you knew.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Jump I said it to Dave. I was just like,
this story is powerful.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Oh, it's so cool.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
The three of us were like, oh gosh, we is
it even gonna like translate to people, like because will
it be like overshadowed because these other stories were so
so big and like.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
And what do you think it is about that time
that friendship?
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I think because it's relatable because you can put yourself
in that and you can see yourself in that, whether
it be a woman or a man, because I've had
both come up to me and say, oh, I sort
of is that how I relate to my friends?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, it's sort of like, well, it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
It's like a holding up a mirror, and mirrors are
a big theme this year, and in that imagery of
doppelgangers and you know and vulnerability and how to walk
through this life like.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Without apologizing for your truth.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Which I think is what Frank's doing in that monologue
that he has is like because I you know, the
girls we laughed, were like, God, if we just come
in with some Frank energy and just said.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Our truths, ye would be done. I would that you
wouldn't be anything.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
We'd just be drinking rose and having a good time
and doing a lot of yoga because we can't because
that's so scary to be vulnerable. I mean that's something
I think like even the vulnerability that you come into
this with porn chies really.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Beautiful and that for you. I love that Mike sort
of that's how he sort of went in.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
I just love that that theme and how it resonates.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Through your storyline is really and.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I will say this about the girl's storyline. I went
to school for theater nerd Alert and Tennessee Williams.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
He's known for subtext.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
And it's like plays before there was air conditioning, you
know what I mean, where it's just like people were
just saying the bare minimum, but you know they were
feeling the most, and so you have them doing this
sort of like like old school cat on a hot
tin roof where no one they're saying like past the salt.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
It's a nice but the subtext is.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Like deep and you feel it when you watch them
and when you want and that's the relatability because we
all know what it's like to move through the world
and not say the thing yeah, and just so see
these women move that way.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
It's just like you feel almost seen when.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
You watch it.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
You're like, oh wow, yeah yeah, and that's.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
One and I think like like for Kate like that,
like Mike said something to us, I've said this before,
but like we came in with our girls, were the
first ones to shoot our in Start in Thailand, and
we did our first villosine like literally like here's the.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Thailand, and we sort of motored through the scene. It's
like a five page scene, and then Mike came out.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
He's like whoha, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down, slow down,
slow down, which you don't often hear in television, and
it just sort of for me was like, oh, yeah,
it's not it's what we're not saying. He's like, I'm
okay with silences. It's just such a beautiful thing. And
for me. I think it.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Was the real churn point where everything sort of I.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Don't even know if I was aware consciously, but subconsciously
I was something shifted with the work i'd already started
to prepare for Kate. I know it changed not the course,
but it just it's like I got a couple extra paddles. Yeah,
you were my canoe, and I was like, okay, now
let's go up stay yeah, yeah, yeah, and all.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That relatability that you're both talking about again. There's a
very small scene that has gone quite viral. I don't
know if you've seen the stories around it. A writer
aund Our Network wrote a story that we've never had.
We've had thousands of comments from the pool scene where
the group of friends go to the pool and then
the Juckuline in particular looks around and says, wait a second,
is this how.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
The world sees us in this old category where we.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
See ourselves in this completely different life stage and you
see even kind of push against that. So what was
it like to feel that scene or was that a
conversation that you were having on set on that thing
of like being put into an age group.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
That you want.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Well, I think that we were I mean, first off,
Michelle Carey and I would never there would only be
one of us, right, they only like they'll cast like
more men in the same age, I find usually, but
if it's like it's one woman orient you are the
woman of color, or you're the woman with the blonde hair,
or you're this, or you're that, and you're one.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
So to be able to go work with two women.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
That I really admire and I would never get to
have this, I'd never be in the same playing field
with them, was really exciting. So also, Mike writes, great
women who are twenty two years old. Now you write
all they're great women who are twenty in their twenties
on the show, But there are a lot of women
(11:48):
who would be by Hollywood standards older, and Mike just
writes for us and it's must see.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
In particular, it's like to see the three of them
juxtaposed with like older women, and it's kind of the
intersection of like the how they're being perceived and how
perceive themselves. Yeah, and the tension of that of like
is this us and then bucking it and.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, like yeah, I mean I sometimes do that.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
I mean I look in the mirror, I mean, that's
the weirdest thing with aging, Like in my head, I
still think.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I'm an entren and I'm like, no.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Girl, I mean we older. I think we all know it.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
But I also don't want to believe the number that's
a sign.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
To me, because I think that you can't directly.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I remember my mom said something to me like she's like, well,
I'm in the twilight of my years and I.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Was like, Mom, you're sixty five.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
That's not a lot of life left.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Yeah, But I think the power of believing that is
how old would you be if you didn't know how
old you were?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (12:58):
And I think there is our minds are really powerful.
So I try not to think about that. So I
kind of love Jacqueline like lifting up and being like.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Where the world Yeah, and she's like let's go.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
And then there's something like I know she can be
Jacqueline can be a tricky friend sometimes like maybe you
don't want your men around her, but but she is
a good time and she does have like she's like,
let's do it.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
We're not dead, let's go.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
And so there's some part of I think all the women,
like all of us, have like things that are assets
and things.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That are maybe their achilles heel that they.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Can work on, and every kind of friendship group, each
person has their own sort of superpower.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
And Jacqueline's is like.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Let's go, and you're just like, we're not going to
wake up, you know, we have to.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, she's not going to let you make that bad
of a decision.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I'm surprised she didn't go, Like if she could have,
she would probably knocked on and like stop that.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I made a choice because I wasn't supposed to. But
I was like, Kate does not like Valentine's choice.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
You made it, yes, because.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
It wasn't supposed to. And I just suddenly I was like,
he is ruining our vacation.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
So I was like, every time he comes, Kate's always like,
oh Hill, yes.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And as we move towards the finale and I can
tell her careful, you've both been not to give anything
away because people are so desperate to know. How hard
does it mean to keep these secrets. I mean you're
saying that you're reading the script and you're nearly passing
out and you're having to keep your secrets, and also
and also with your partner coming in and having this
listen the other thing, vil character, what are the links
we go to?
Speaker 6 (14:47):
It is I've lied to like my mother's face, like
just I'm like, I won't tell anyone.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
And I was cast or not cast, but I.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Was announced as being returning when they thought we were
shooting the end of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
But the lives happened. Yes, So I was out on
a limb by.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Myself for a year before anyone else had to carry
the burden of like knowing.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
What was going to happen.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
And so I'm just I think it's going to be
such a cathartic experience to have the world finally, have you.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Been lying to your loved ones as well? How many lives?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I just don't, I just I just stop. I just
looked down.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah sure.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah. Also too, was there something that happened? Am I
making this up?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
That there once we all sort of read the scenes
that then they sent out like fake sides.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Oh yeah, you would have to.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
There's fakes rats on set.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Pages with different endings, and just to make sure.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
In case we could catch someone sharing.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
So you shut your mouth because they really will set
you up.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah. I love to do that.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Well, we can't wait to see the finale. And also
just this season has been so incredible.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Do you like the music?
Speaker 7 (16:09):
I actually did.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I thought each each the season should have its own
target song.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
I did love that.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Sorry, I probably go to It's really good.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
I feel like people are now catching on, like I
think christ of All was like it's don't worry, It's
gonna make sense.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, yes, no, I loved it. And again, thank you
both so much for your time, so much.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I thank you
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