Attorney Malik Shabazz, Brother Obie & Dr. Brooks Robinson

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week
with us again the last Monday in October twenty twenty five.
Can you believe that later the founder of the Black
Lawyers for Justice, Attorney Malague Shabaz, will update us on
some of the cases that the group is working on.
Before Attorney Malik In, a national journalist, and DC activists
brother Obi will check in. But to get a started moment, Telly,

(00:20):
you're going to go to Hawaii where the founder of
a blackeconomics dot org, doctor Brooks Robinson, will join us.
But first let's get Kevin we Ope at the classroom
doors for us this week, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, my man, my man, it's
hard to believe October is almost over. It was an
interesting month, indeed for many of us. And I'm telling
you here we are today is the twenty seventh of October,
and it just seemed like only yesterday it was the
first of October.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
How are you feeling, Carl Nelson?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
How you feeling, my man?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'm still learning, Kevin. I'm still wide awake and ready
to go, ready to learn some more stuff this morning,
right eye of guests et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, that's because information is power. And then so it's
a perpetual gig to keep learning, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
So, but once you once you get that information, it
doesn't stop there. You've got to put it to use.
That's that's it. Because the more you know, the more
you grow. So you've got to got to implement what
you learn.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, yeah, how many of those quips and quotes can
we come up with? Like, applied knowledge is power.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
So the stuff you're learning, you apply it.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
So hopefully I'm sure you know what, and I'm sure
doctor Robinson will agree with us when he comes out momentarily.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
But I didn't realize he was. He's in Hawaii. Man,
he sounds so laid back. This That explains it. I
tell you, I can't wait to hear what he's gonna
share with us tonight. Is the Commanders, man, you know
all else, just put everything else aside. The Commanders are
playing tonight, and unfortunately, Jayden Daniels will miss his third

(02:01):
game in this twenty twenty five campaigns. All of that
talent and everything, but you know, he's got that hamstring injury,
and that puts Marcus Mariotta back on the field, and
he does pretty good. I mean, you know, not trying
to take anything away from him as an armchair quarterback,
I understand see. And he's going. But he's got more

(02:26):
weapons than Jaydon Daniels had lately. And that is Terry
McLaren is back and d BO Samuel returns into the
fold of things. And they're playing Kansas City Patrick's.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
That's that's the most important. They're playing Chiefs. We're looking
good recently, so that's the most important. That's the formul
opponent for the Commanders tonight. I don't know if you
can make the whole game, though, Kevin go. I think
after eight o'clock.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I know, I feel like writing a letter like these
Monday night games are they really necessary?

Speaker 4 (03:00):
You know?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I remember when it was only Monday night football. Now
it's Monday night Thursday night.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
That's the good thing about the doctor Robson's colub. He
lives in Hawaii. It does have those kinds of problems.
You know, what do you mean they don't watch football.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
The time and the games are played. Oh oh yeah, oh.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, that's right. That whole different time zone gives you
a luxury that and never mind, how nice Hawaii is anyway,
so you don't even need to watch the game. You
just go out and sit out on the beach or something. Right,
But the Patrick Mahomes, they're looking for him to really

(03:39):
do some things. But I think that the Commander's running
game is still part excellent, you know, not that I'm
some football you know, know it all or anything, know,
a little you know kind of thing, but uh, correct
me if I'm wrong. The Commander's running game is really

(04:00):
out notch, and the Chiefs defense is supposed to be
pretty good as well.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
So that's why that's gonna be a interesting game. But
you know, let's not forget our friends up the street
in Baltimore, the Ravens surprise, surprise the Chicago Bears thirty sixteen,
and it's gonna be a short week for the Baltimore team.
They're gonna play the Dolphins on Thursday and the Thursday
night football game, so he'll see, we'll see what happens there.

(04:25):
But hey, they really shocked the Bears because Chicago was
you know, picked to win that game.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, yeah, so the guys in Baltimore can hold their
head up again, you know, because I peaked at the
Ravens game for a minute. You know it was it
was pretty good and they really seem to have the
have it in control. But a short week, man, that
hurts most athletes. It seems that short week thing, man,

(04:55):
you know, you you really got to be on your
A game and the Ravens are going to bring their
A game. And speaking of a games, the President went
to China and they say the US China trade deal
is going to depend on the depending on how Trump
handles it. But they they came up with an agreement

(05:17):
and and so you got any thoughts on that.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, Usually those deals are already cut. It's just it's
just the announcements. You know, they're already cut. This is
what this is where Trump revels he likes these things
because you know, the deal was already done. So this
is just a photo op for them. You about the
TikTok issue? Yeah, yeah, right right.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
And if you look at the photo, neither one of
them are looking at each other as they shake hands.
They're looking, of course at the camera, but it just
looks like a weird handshake to me.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
But the bigger thing is he's got to get the
Chinese to start buying our soy beans. That's the problem
because they haven't bought. If you were here last week
and we had the Black Farmer's armors and was saying, yeah,
it was saying that the China's not buying any of us.
And the farmers and many of the farmers, most of
them my wife, are really really upset. And they were
talked about giving them subsidies, you know, paying them because

(06:08):
of the money they lost. But what Trump asked to
do was convinced she to to start importing American soy beans.
So we'll see how that is. That's what the farmers
are watching. This thing they don't care about, don't TikTok.
They talk about their survival. They talking about people committing
suicide and bankruptcies. Okay, that's how deep it's going out
there in farmland.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
That's why the president canceled the tariff on China, and
it's supposed to take effect by November first, after China
announced new export controls on their minerals. It's still about
it still seems like it's about the minerals game, and

(06:48):
it just continues as he's in China and people are
upset because the government is still shut down, and so
they are they feeling the pressure of that. And they
also posted that there's no federal food aid to go
out after November first your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, it's food stamps. Folks are going to get upset
because after November first, it's no money to pay the foods.
Folks who get they call it snap now, but it's
basically food stamps as we as we know it. And yeah,
so there's those folks won't be getting that on their
cards now. They used before they had those paper ones.
Some of you were old enough to remember those in

(07:32):
the neighborhood where people go to the stores and they
pay with the paper ones, And now it's sort of
like a debit card. They put money in a debit card,
money won't be there. So it's going to hurt a
lot of folks.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, the Senate had a long weekend there during Thursday,
and they do to come to work sometimes.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
The Repulican it has been out for quite quite a
bit now, they haven't been in town.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
The Democrats have been trying to get them back to
the table. Let's have a discussion. They refuse to have
the discussion until they get permission from from mister Trump.
He won't give the Republicans permission to have that have
a discussion. So, you know, so he's calling the shots,
and as usual, they're all, you know, everything they do
is for one person in all aspects of this government.

(08:15):
So they have to wait till he says they can
have a conversation. Then he's going to come back and
say I solve the problem. Obviously, the only one who
could solve the problem that shut down Sol. He's got
a lot of heat Kevin, because you know, he's gone
overseas and making deals and he's supposedly stopping wars. He
can't solve a problem in his own country. People are starving, so.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, uh, so he's out of town along with the
rest of the Republican crew. Yeah yeah, so then that
whole their own newspaper, their own press cords now is
supposed to reinforce the belief that the Trump administration is paranoid,
free speech defying and.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
So, yeah, are you referring to the one at the
US the Defense Department or what they call an army
war department. Now they've reclassified it as.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Well, according to newswe the news one website, they don't
say anything about that. They just say that the Yeah,
it is the Defense Department reinforced the belief that the
Trump administration is has an authoritarian regime and that the
reporters in mainstream journalism, uh can't they can't give an

(09:32):
honest story or something like that.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
So, yeah, because they've got to get they've got to
get Pete hex has got to sign off and everything
they report. You know, you said, General, you got to
get permission to be a reporter to report the news
because in case you say something that they may not like,
this is where we're this is where we're at, not
where we're heading. This is where we're at right now.
That's where many of those reporters walked off the job.
So they've got a small group of reporters so that

(09:54):
you know, who are going to basically just talt whatever
the government says and report that. But all the major
news including Fox, all the major news outlets, the fair
reporters just says, no, we're not doing that because that
goes against uh one of the canons of being a journalist,
you know, and not to forget about free speech the
First Amendment. So they walked off. So then they just

(10:15):
got the small core group of they were for smaller outlets,
So they're the ones now it's going to report whatever
goes down at the Pentagon, right.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
According to the Washington Post, the outlets that agreed to
the Defense Department's terms earning their way into the no
news but magnafied fake news echo chamber include The Gateway Pundit,
The Post, Millennial, Human Events, the National Polls, Turning Points,
USA Media Brand front Lines, and UH, something called tim

(10:45):
Cast called The Washington Reporter, and Lindell TV, a Trump
airline named Mike Lindell UH and the guy from the
Mike billow Right. I thought that name which strike of a
million note, that's right, and so I guess that's where

(11:05):
the news would come from from that side of the
aisle and H And that's.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
What before we go, before we go out there.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
It's just just across the wires here that the hurricane
now has moved up to a category five. If those
of you been following what's going on with a hurricane,
it's stepping on right on Jamaica's doorstep. Then it's going
to go through Jamaica to to Cuba and then to Haiti,
or through Haiti then Cuba probably by the same because
the same level and then through the Bahamas and then

(11:34):
it's online to hit Permuta. And if you're wondering why
we mentioned this, because you know, those are our brothers
and sisters down there, same trip, different ship. We could
be down in one of those islands and had our
ship when went a different way, So they're no different
from us. So we're just you know, those of you
who believe in prayer and all that, because this is
a category five, this is astronomonical. This this this hurricane

(11:57):
that's it's bearing down on Jamaica.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
It's just it's just Hurricane Melissa.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
And they're call yeah, they're expecting catastrophic danger for Jamaica,
Haiti in that area.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
So you're right.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
You know, our prayers go.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Up and I know we have some listeners down there.
I know we have listeners in Jamaica, barbade Us in Trinity,
that and Tobago. Those listeners call us all the time,
so or the email and textas So just family down there,
just stay strong and you know we got you in
our prayers at.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Least batting down the hatches. Hey, thanks for your time,
Carl on this Monday the twenty seventh, and we've got
doctor Robinson standing by and uh, we're going to say Aloha,
is it hello, Doctor Robinson.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Well, that's that's the uh, that's the phrase. That's the
welcome that they provide when you step off the plane
and see the blue skies and the blue water and
there's a whole special smell if you will to Hawaii. Yeah,
it's the cocon oil for those who are you know,

(13:05):
sun tanning on the beach, are protecting their skin from
from the bright sunshine. Anyway, good morning too, or for
me late night for me out here in honor Lulu.
But I appreciate the opportunity again to come and be
a part of the conversation the big school for all
of America and especially for Black America, the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yes, because with the time difference, and we were talking
about this with the football games. I don't know if
you're a football fan, but it doesn't nationally mean football,
but anything that's taking place stateside, how do you guys
reconcile it, because the difference is I know it's in
la It was great for football. You wake up in
the mornings, football all day, all night, the NFL season football.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, absolutely right, that is the late games you don't
have to worry about it because it's not too late.
You know, you're not teetering on taking a nap in
the middle of the game. But by the same token,
you know, I went to school in Big Ten Territory
up in the Midwest, and some of their games on
a Saturday, for example, are quite early, you know, eleven
or twelve o'clock a Central time, and so that means

(14:11):
what getting up here in Hawaii to watch them. I
don't do it anymore, but I used to. I have
to get up quite early to see at the beginning
of the game because it's five hours different from the Midwest,
six hours from where you all are on the East Coast.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh wow, I guess you get acclimated to it after
a while though, right, well.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah, I mean you're just also had this way. You know.
Hawaii is Oahu, the main island here as far as population,
About one point one of the one point four million
people in Hawaii reside on the island of Oahu, and
many of the people that work for the federal government,
which means having to wake up early and get to

(14:55):
work early so that they don't miss the entire day
where their colleagues back on on the east coast side,
so you know, you get acclimated, but it means being.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
An early riser.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
And by the same cokin, if there's something very important
going on night, you'll have to stay it late as well.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
All right, Hold up though, right there, let's step aside
for a few on as we come back, let's talk
some business though. Seventeen minutes half the Top family, I
guess he's doctor Brooks Robinson. He's you can find him
out of black economics dot org. You know he's written
a plan, a long term strategic plan for Black America.
Jump in on this conversation at eight hundred four five
zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone
calls and ground rising family. Thanks for waking up with us.

(15:34):
At twenty minutes after the Top, I guess doctor Brooks Robinson,
Doctor Robinson, you can find him. Is an economic plan
for Black America? Or is a strtigue plan for Black America?
Is all at black economics dot org. Dr Robinson. Let's
get permission from the ancestors first, so let's get into
what we're going to discuss this morning.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, we definitely want to say thanks to that power,
right that power that wakes us up and guess it's
going early every morning so that we can do what
we're what we're supposed to do. You know, sometimes we
get stuck doing things that we don't really want to
do or shouldn't do. But what we're doing, what we're

(16:12):
supposed to do, we can feel that force, that power
of the great power, the great Creator and our ancestors
pushing us from behind and making as they say, our
burdens easy, uh, you know, are real easy and the
burden night as they say. In anyway, yes, we always
like to recognize the Creator and our ancestors as we

(16:33):
talk to people about what Black America should be doing,
hopefully to improve our situation.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, and things are changed now with what we see
coming from the Trump administration. So this is this is
a very important discussion we're going to have this morning.
But you want to focus and start our focus on
the leadership Black America's leadership. So uh break it down
for us. And first of all, though, do we have
any black leaders?

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Well? Uh, I guess uh, well that's the perfect question,
do we have any black leaders? I think there's no
doubt that Black Americans use certain personalities as leadership. And
I will go take you from the flip side of
that and say, you have to recognize, we're almost recognize

(17:18):
that we really have four Black Americas if you really
want to look at it right, You've got the super rich,
and I guess the columnists from Washington Post wrote a
book about this back in twenty about the Middle twenty
teens Got twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. Eugene Robinson, he wrote
the book and he says, hey, there are four Black
Americans are super rich, and then you got the middle class,

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and then you got the black poor. That's three. And
then you have the black immigrants. You're talking about the
people from Katie, from Haiti and from Jamaica and so on.
They come up here. Well, you've got and from Africa.
Don't forget the motherland. But we have four Black Americas.
And then the question becomes who are the leaders for

(18:01):
those four different strait of black of Americas. And then
there are some leaders that are just so powerful that
they kind of represent all Black America.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
And who are those That's that's my question though those
are the ones you know, you said, of the divisions,
who do you who do you think represents Because represents
Black America as a whole.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
I don't think there's anyone today that represents I was
speaking more of historically. Of course, in the nineteen sixties
when you had people like Martin Luther Gain obviously he
was a leader of all of Black America. Jesse Jackson
for a while, you know, he played a very important role.
He was very successful as running as a presidential candidate.
I mean, he was surprisingly powerful. But coming up to today,

(18:49):
who are the leaders. Well, people look at some religious
leaders as being important, which might include some of the
important pastors of the mega churches who have a wide reach,
and you can on a rivaloffs some names there none
so really really powerful, but you do have the you know,
four or five major Christian denominations. And then on the
flip side of that, you have Minnison, little Swaraka a

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lot of people. Even though his his his his his
membership might not be so great in size his reach,
in terms of his voice and how he reaches people
with his ability to speak to their to their hearts
and their minds, some people will say that he's an
important leader even though he is, you know, getting much

(19:31):
older now. And then you have the political leaders U fourth,
Barack Obama represented black people. Some people say well, some
say not really, Well, they had Kamala Harris in the
last administration, and so it goes on and on, and
then people who are in the military. You know, Colin
Powell used to be a very important figure. I mean,

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the list goes on and on, and it just depends
on what aspect of socioeconomic life that you're concerned with.
That might elicit someone saying, oh, look, yeah, this person
or that person that Black American, they represent leadership.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
In that area.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
But right now, I concur with you that it might
be difficult to say there's one black leader that speaks
for all Black Americans. I don't think there's any such
person today.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Nor twenty five at the top of now. Is that
a good thing, though, you know, instead of having focused
on one person or one group or of one ideology.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Uh, yeah, I think that's I think that's good for
the following reason. And oh, by the way, we did
not mention Revenel in that earlier content. A lot of
people see him as an important voice for certain Black Americans.
You know, he came out of a certain tradition, and
he represents a voice that many black Americans like to hear.

(20:52):
But yes, it's important that we not focus all of
our energy and our attention on one person now, because
then you get locked in to a particular perspective, and
if something happens to that leader, then you got to
start all over again. And that's one of the biggest
problems with black leadership. When Martin Luthering was assassinated, it's

(21:13):
so long before it kind of got kind of shifted
out and a person's began to identify a new person
that represented the voice of a lot of Black Americans. So, yeah,
it's probably good that we don't have just one black leader.
Mister uh, you know Repersent Congress Jefferies. Right now today,

(21:33):
he's getting a lot of play, a lot of airplay
because of his role as an already Speaker of the House,
and he probably will be viewed pretty soon as an
important personality now, whether that's a good thing or not,
depending on what he does. In other words, the Congression
of Black Caucus can from time to time have leadership.
Think of Adam Clayton Powell and others who have been

(21:56):
in that kind of position, not as a minority speaker
or anything like that, but as an important congressman who
voice to the opinions of a lot of Black Americans.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
All right, let me ask you this question though. In
family just waking up, I guess it's doctor Brooks Rominson.
And doctor Brooks Romson you can find him at Black
Economics dot org. He's written a long term strategic plan
for Black America. And we're talking about black leadership this morning.
I mean, that's just can you clarify how Black American
leadershipship's different difference to our processes produced or reinforced our

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socioeconomic conditions.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Are they? Are they part of the problem?

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Whoever they these black leaders supposedly undefined black leaders are.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. This is a critical point. And
when we we were thinking about this program today, we
were talking about a piece that we released from Black
Economics dot org. Uh not this task weekend or this
week's past weekend, but weekend before last. We reached a
piece called Permission Granted. And what we met there in

(22:58):
that piece, and we're very less to prepare it is
that our leadership, for a variety of reasons, historically too
many of those leaders, to few of those leaders then
just say this is what we want to do we're
going to do it, irrespective of what the opposers say.
Most of the black leaders have been very much acquiescent

(23:20):
to the whims and the notions of the other side,
and they have accepted, we believe too often what the
other side, that is White America, brought forward the solutions
to our problems, and by so doing, they have deferred
to white leadership and become secondary, very much secondary and

(23:46):
putting forward good fresh ideas, good fresh, powerful and effective
policies that can address our problems. And really that rolled
us up into a situation where we're viewed quite negatively
in many respects, one being that we don't take ownership
enough of our own situation and then work to implement

(24:09):
solutions for ourselves, as opposed to having a handout sitting
at the you know, at Washington as the steps of
the Capitol Building, uh and at the White House saying oh,
we need resources for this and that and the other
as opposed to saying this is what we want to do.
We're going to do it, irrespective of whether you know
the people up on Capitol Hill or r in the

(24:31):
White House say that they're going to help us do it.
We're going to get it done anyway, and I think
the million Man March, and you know, twenty years or
thirty years ago, I was an example of that where
someone said we're going to do something, uh and we
it was done irrespective of what Washington wanted. But it
needs it needs to go further. And I don't think
we pushed forward on that part of what we could

(24:54):
be doing for ourselves hard enough. If we had, I
think we'd be much further along as far as our
socio econother status.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Twenty nine minutes at the top of the our family.
Thanks of waking up with us on this Monday morning
with I guess that the doctor Brooks Robinson economists and
black to Robinson is talking about. He has a long
term strategic plan for Black America. You can find him.
All this information is at black economic dot org. We
mentioned about black leadership and some people have criticized the
congratiate Black Caucus because some of the members of the
caucus are actinarians. I think that's how you say they're

(25:24):
in the eighties, and especially when thus in the news
in DC of the weekend, the DC Representative Elma Holmes
Norton and she got scammed out of some money, and
some people are telling her that she should step aside
because I think she's maybe eighty eight or something like that.
Your thoughts on that, Because and they are elderly white
congress and senators as well, I'm not sure if they'd

(25:45):
be nudge to get off the platform. But some people
think it's time for some of these older or elder
some of our elders to really step aside or pass
the baton on to some younger people. What are your
thoughts on that?

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Well, I think, you know, it makes sense and will
respect from a different perspective altogether. You know, we cannot
expect a government that represents three hundred and thirty some
million people and Black Americans representing about fifty million, a
relatively small fraction twelve thirteen, fourteen percent of the little

(26:20):
population to believe that the government is going to swing
everything our way just to help us become more effective
and successful. I don't think we should focus so much
on government at all, even though I concur with the
general opinion that it might be favorable to have some
younger people in some of those positions. What we're focusing on,

(26:42):
especially in the piece called Permission Granted, is kind of
stiff arming in some sense the government. Not being so
focused on the government and taking more focus on our
own selves as a people, ask communities or areas of

(27:04):
influence pockets in some of the major urban areas, and
beginning to plan and strategize and coming together and learn
the key fundamental features of togetherness and trust so that
we can make a plan. We can come to a decision.
First of all, get a mechanism that enables us to
come to a decision. Once we come to a decision,

(27:26):
have enough faith and trust in each other that we're
all going to do our part to implement that decision,
and then go forward with it and kind of push
to the side, not completely out of sight, but and
use what we're doing as tax payer of taxaying Americans,
but focus really on what we can do for ourselves.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
All right, twenty eight away from the tom Day. I
kind of like that, Dr Robinson, So break it down
for us, what can we do, What should be the
first steps should we be taken to do that to
help ourselves instead of worrying about other folks.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
The first thing that we need to do, and the
long term strategic plan for Black America, that volume which
is out there and people should go to the website
to see it. I did not write it, Alan, just
make that point. A group of grassroots people, great grassroots minds,
got together and put that volume together. The website is
just l T st SBA dot org. That's a long

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term strategic plan for Black America. Of course, the other
website that you mentioned today is our twenty year old
website called Black Economics with an SSPN dot org. But yeah,
what should we be doing? The first step is to
conceive in our minds and hearts what do we want
for ourselves? In other words, the most important First of all,

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the most important thing in the universe is knowledge. And
what you say as your tagline, you know for your program,
information is the dont world. Information is nothing but knowledge.
And then of course you all want further today to
say it's the implementation of the information that's power. Well,
knowledge is the most important thing, but the most the
most powerful instrument in the universe is the mind. So

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we have to reconfigure the black mind to get us
to realize that epigenetically we've been affected in so many
different ways. Adversely, let's get our mind straight first on
who we are, what we are what do we want
to accomplish and achieve, you know, in the foreseeable future.

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Get the mind right, focused on it and say yes,
if we put our mind to it, we can get
it done. And then you begin to sit down together,
agree to trust each other and form a strategic plan.
Use what is existing, or modify it, or create a
new plan. That is so powerful because people get together

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and agree on it, and then you proceed to implement it.
That's let's just you have to start with the mind.
If you don't get the mind right, everything else goes away.
Nothing else is possible. What do we say, you know,
just in plain simple colloquial expression, wherever the head goes,
the body follows. Correct.

Speaker 7 (30:11):
So correct.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
But having said that, at twenty five away from the
top of the host, Dr Robinson, what about the folks
who don't want you know, we've got a bunch of
folks who Dr Wilson say, they just they like the
where they are in the system of RACI and white supremacy.
They're just looking for a better spot. They're not trying
to overturn it. They're happy with what they are. They
don't see what the vision that what you're talking about?

(30:33):
How are you going to move those folk?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Folks?

Speaker 1 (30:35):
How you're gonna get them to understand because their mind
is locked into one way that this is it and
we can't do any better and this is all we have.
And I'm just trying to make a trying to you know,
get a bigger biscuit and everything else.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
I'm cool. How do you reach those folks?

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Well, first of all, you have to recognize that when
you begin a process, you know it's not you know,
it's not a snowball rolling down the side of a mountain. Right.
Oh no, it's not like that. It's like you get
who you can. One of our members, doctor Gil Frasier,
out of your gago, she said many times in our

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meetings and our discussion. She said, her big mother, her
great grandmother, I think it was you should to say
to her, you look around, you see what you got,
You get it together. You take what you got and
do what you can. But we get those people, I
mean Black Americans who are interested in seeing improvements in
our well being. We have to come together, even if

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it's just thirty or forty percent, starting off twenty thirty
forty percent, and then you start making cogress and then
others say, oh, by the way, yeah, I been reading address.
Let me look at that. Let me see if there's
some benefits to me. Look, political scientists all already know
that it's a very simple issue. People will not take

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any right.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
And doctor Robinson hold that though.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Right then we've got to start asund and caught up
with the latest news, trapped and with it a different scision.
We come back. I'll let you finish your thought in.
Cliff in Connecticut has a question for you family. You
two can join our conversation with doctor Brooks Robinson that
you you can find this information at blackeconomics dot org.
We're talking about black leaders this morning. What are your thoughts?
Eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six will
get you in. We'll take all your phone calls after

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the news. Trafficking weather that's next, and Grand Rising family,
thanks of waking up with us on this Monday morning.
We're seventeen minutes away from the top of the out
Shout out to all our teachers getting ready to go
to work this morning and take care of our young people.
Hopefully you'll hear something on the radio you can share
with our young people when you get to class this
morning anyway, I guess this doctor Brooks Robinson. Doctor Brooks
Robinson and his group, they've written a plan as a

(32:36):
long term strategic plan for Black America, and this morning
we're talking about black leadership eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight to seventy six is so I'm gonna
call you'd like to speak to you before we do that, then,
let me just remind you. Later this morning, we're gonna
speak with the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice.
I'll be Attorney Malik Shabaz. Before we hear from Attorney Meliku.
International journalist and activist Brother Obi will join us. And

(32:59):
later this week you're going to hear from futuristic researcher
brother Sadekia mccari. Also the President General of the Universal
African People's Organization, Brother Zaki Breuti, will be here.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
He's going to introduce us.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
To Cuban freedom fighters and also economist the doctor Julian
Malveau Jonas as well. So if you're in Baltimore, make
sure you keep your radio locked in real tight on
ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV, we're
on fourteen fifteen wol all right, doctor Robson, let me
let you finish your thought in Cliffin, Connecticut has a
question or a comment for you.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Yeah, the only thing I wanted to say was you
go back to the nineteen sixties and a pretty famous economist,
political scientist, Manager Oldson. He was at University of Maryland
right there, and he wrote a book, The Logic of
Collective Action. That book says simply this, political or economic

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agents will take no action that is collective action, will
not engage in such collective actions. And that's what we're
talking about here, Black people getting together and doing work
that will you know, benefits. All people will not do
that work unless they can be assured that's the return
that they receive, the benefits they receive, uh, that those

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benefits are going to be greater than the costs they're
going to incur to perform that work, which includes more
than just you know, the time and the energy and
the effort. You know, they may be putting themselves in
quite a position to take a strong stance which might
be antithetical to the status pro when it comes to
looking at lack America becoming more independent, because that's just

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not the way it's ever, hasn't ever been that way
except for a few cases, and we know what's happened
in those few cases where black people were independent, went
across against the brain, became very successful, talking about Wilmington,
talking about Tulsa, talking about Rosewood. In those cases, people
suffered because the opposition the other side say, you know,

(34:53):
we don't, we don't, we won't content, we won't countenance that,
We're not gonna let it happen. And so when people
engage in collective action, they face costs. They understand those costs,
and they're not going to engage unless they're sure the
benefits they're going to receive will exceed the costs that
they will that they will incur.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Got you fourteen away from the top. As I mentioned,
doctor Robinson, Cliff is calling some Connecticut is online too,
Grand Rising Cliff, you're on with doctor Robinson.

Speaker 8 (35:21):
Hey, grand prison brother Kylin. An excellent question in terms
of who is the black leadership? Maybe not pushed back disrespectful,
being disrespectful, but I want to say this is that
there is a leader amongst us that says given us
the blueprint to survival, you know, in terms of how

(35:44):
to eat, you know, how to live, what our political
agenda should be. Also to the point where he or
the organization even influence and instruct us not to take
the vast scene, you know. So I don't know whatever
individual or group has gone to that extent in order

(36:05):
to help black people to survive. So my question to you,
who would fit that category with the description I did.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
He gave you? Yeah, well, I know who you're talking about,
and I think people who are awake today know who
you're talking about.

Speaker 8 (36:22):
Who is that person? I'm asking you to name that person?

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Oh, that that is the honormal Minister Lewis Farakhan. That's
how he's referred to. Wait a minute, now, wait a minute,
wait an okay, but don't forget the history. Okay, don't
forget the history. The history is he's a student and
he's up front of the most honorable La Muhammet. He's
a man. In my view, the most important book for

(36:48):
Black America the twentieth century was the book that the
most Elijah Mohammad put together called Message to the Black Man.
He meant black man and woman, boy and girl. But yeah,
it was a very powerful book and he laid out
the framework Black Americas still don't yet recognize the power
of what he did. But those who preceded him, like

(37:09):
Nobles grew Ali and h and Marcus Garvey, they set
the framework for him.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
So it's a continuous.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Process of growth and development. But yeah, something it's North Farkhan,
but there are other factions or groups within the Islamic
tradition also doing important work too. You can't just you know,
highlight minis Rys Farkhan. He's very much Yeah, go ahead
right when I.

Speaker 8 (37:33):
And I understand that and thank you for sharing that.
But I'm simply saying that that we do have a leader,
you know, and brother Carl also having you included. But
we as black people do not want to recognize our
potential black leaders, and we would rather be Americanized and
value a political party, a party, or even Caucasian people

(37:56):
as our leaders. That's what we do as brass roots
black people. We don't have that. That's our culture. So
it's our fault we ignore our potential and very valuable leaders.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
In my opinion, the cliff, you didn't you didn't listen
and hear what we said. We said that, and as
mister Nelson said, well, how do we get this done?
How do we improve our situation. We said, well, the
political side of it, you know, we may have to
push that to the to the side, not pulling into
the background, because we are due the resources that come

(38:29):
from government and because we do pay to access. But
that what we're talking about is not ignoring what the
government is doing, but looking and instructing, creating an inventory
of our needs and seeing, you know, which needs are
not being met and not going to the government and say, oh,

(38:49):
if you've got to help us do this. But we're
looking when we look at that situation and say what
can we do for ourselves? And so we're not saying
that we got to look to only government and leadership
coming from government. We can't just look to a religious
leadership either, because even those who really believe in religion
know that there's no compulsion in religion. But everybody's not

(39:11):
religious in the same way. So we have to kind
of Malcolm used to say this, he said, you know,
put your religion aside, put your politics aside. The thing
that we need to worry about is black nationalism and
what can we do for ourselves to get the job done.
So that as we move further down the road, we
are increasingly improving better and better positions across the entire

(39:37):
socioeconomic spectrum. That's what we should be trying to do
in our view, and that's what the brassroots group that
I've been working with, the long term strategic Plans for
Black of Art, is trying to do. And this is
what we've been writing about, thankfully so and only so
for the last twenty years.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Ten minutes away from the top. The change America has changed?
Donald Trump?

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Right up?

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Donald Trump has changed America. Is this a great opportunity
for us now to change to respond to with these changes?
Do we need another Gary meeting? Doctor Robson, will you
come out and have a black agenda? Or how do
how do we formulate some of these ideas that you
have laid out in your plan? How do we how
do we make them put it into practice?

Speaker 4 (40:19):
No, that's a very important point, and and that convention
and Jerry was a powerful situation. But then you need
to look at it and say, well, why wasn't there
more follow up? Same question ask after a millionaire in
much why wasn't there more follow up? Or we're gonna
I'm just gonna say it this way, Misterdelle said we're

(40:40):
gonna have to have a kind of come to Jesus situation.
That's the way some people say it, you know, come
to Jesus meeting. Uh, That is, we're gonna have to
have a kind of Christ. It seems like we're gonna
have to have a kind of pleaser situation that's going
to force us to realize as one of the one
of one of my siblings that he says, we all
we got, you know, because in the end, Americans become

(41:02):
so fragmented every group, and there's so many now for themselves.
They're not worried about the other ethnic group, of the
other racial group now for themselves, and logically, so we
forget the fundamental first law of nature self reservation. And
so to even expect, you know, another group of people,
another ethnicity, another race, to look at us and favor us,

(41:25):
start writing checks to us and saying, oh, by the way,
I'm gonna give you half of what I got. That
it's not going to happen. So once conditions get worse.
You were talking about Andandelhammad, he said, hey, you got
to get people that are dissatisfied. People get dissatisfied, they'll

(41:47):
begin to take action in their own hands. And when
they do. If we come together in that situation, under
those circumstances, truly interested in writing the ship, truly interested
in writing a new history for ourselves going forward, then
we will come together in faith, will come together economically,
will come together religiously, We'll come together politically, we'll come

(42:11):
together educationally, in so many respects. And they all have
a plan, a Stratehitic plan. Work it, have faith in it,
and just stick with it until we get the job done.
But it may take you some force, some unforeseen force
right now that pushes us in that direction.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Sam manus away from the top of at doctor Brooks Robinson. So,
doctor Robinson that your thought on reparations. Should we eliminate
that from the calculations to moving forward to that we
need as an economic thrust, or should we just look
at some other place that we need to generate funds
to get our situation straight.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Well, we are due reparations. There's so many people in
the United States who've already gotten reparations. Okay, are there
people around the world who have got reparations? The people
who are bombing you know, Godza these days, you know
they're doing that because they got reparation stuff to get
a territory to start, you know, their own national government

(43:14):
and system. They got organized, they got reparations, and they
used it to build a nation. And now they're trying
to make sure they defend themselves in Sutuay that they're
never harmed again. And there's a certain logic to that,
and I'm saying that it's right. I'm just saying that
is a logic to it. The bottom line is we
should not exkew the idea of receiving reparations. We should

(43:36):
continue to pursue it. The question that people should be
asking is this, how in the world in twenty and
twenty four, during the run up to the election, all
we could hear all across the nation one reparation, reparation
up and once the political conventions began, you heard maybe
one or two words spoken about reparations in both conventions,

(44:00):
the one in chicagoan one in Milwaukee. The reality is, uh,
the political parties didn't give up, you know what about reparations.
It's not something they want to do have any interest
in providing to Black Americans. That doesn't mean that we
shouldn't still pursue it. And why is there so much
less noise, so much less talk about reparations after the election.

(44:22):
We we just don't have a strategic plan in place
that everybody agrees with, so that things that are important
we we you know, we go with the win. We're
the dust people. Uh and uh, we don't stick to
the issues that are important to us. So answer your question,
we should not, you know, just give up on reparations.
But we should not let it stop us from doing
what we need to do. You do what, as I

(44:45):
mentioned earlier, doctor Pagen said her grandmother or big grandmother
used to say, you take and look at you. Washington
said the same thing, missed up, reach down with your
with your buckets right where you are, and begin to
raise yourself up. And then if you're going to get
some icing on the cake, you know, so that's the
flow from somewhere else later on, then you just blend

(45:06):
it in and use it wisely. But don't let that
the absence of it right now, that is reparations stop
us from moving forward and making progress, the kind of
progress that we can make when we get our minds right,
get a plan, and get everybody on the same page.
Wanted to move forward, to improve our conditions.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
All right, Hold up, all right there, we got to
check the trafficing weather in our different cities when we
come back, though, because you mentioned the issue, the talk
of reparations that sort of fizzled out after the elections,
the presidential elections that we had last year. So the
question is we too invested in the Democratic Party? Should
we be looking to other parties as well of the

(45:45):
interest And I'm going to get to your thoughts when
we come back. Family YouTube can join our conversation at
doctor Brooks Robinson. Reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixty. We'll take
your phone calls after the trafficking weather together. That's next,
and Grand Rising Family are starting your Monday with us.
I guess this is doctor Brooks Robinson. Doctor Brooks Robinson
has part of a group that's put together a long
term strategic strategic plan for Black America. You can find

(46:09):
all that information at different websites. Said one is Blackconomics
blaconomics dot org, and he'll give you the other one
before he leaves. But my question to doctor Romson, because
we talked a lot about leadership and what we deserve
and how we should you know, craft our own plan
going forward. This is what his group has been doing.
If we made a mistake by putting our limiting ourselves

(46:30):
to one political party at doctor Robinson, should we spread
it out or should or so we just just shoot
politics and move on And it doesn't matter because it
seems like either way we get, you know, we get
the short end of the stick either either party.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
But your thoughts, well, there are any ways to answer
that question, but the all point to one to one thing,
and that is uh I saw with Malcolm next he said,
you know you've got dogs at wolves, you know, and
you got foxes. You remember that one, right he was

(47:05):
talking about Republicans and the Democrats. He says, no matter
how you look at it, they're all of the canine family.
So that answer right there is basically, you know, you're
going to deal with the same situation whether you're with
the Democrats of the Republicans. Then we should not forget
once upon a time we were not primarily Democratic as

(47:25):
a voting block. We were primarily Republican following Lincoln after
his successful presidency, unfortunately his assassination. So that's one way
of looking at it. That we should not put all
the eggs in one basket, that we should be more diverse,

(47:45):
just like in your investments, they say diversity is diversification
is important. I'll make the finally two points that I
think are important as well. In twenty fifteen, you wrote
a short paper. We were blessed to write that paper
on the Black Economics dot org. So I just called
why not a Black political Party? And I think it's
worth reading for those who might want to plot for

(48:07):
him what we're trying to say. But let me add
that let us also not forget there have been many
efforts to create our own black political party. For example,
the man who the billionaire who has been just torn
down in the courts. And I'm not an expert on

(48:27):
the legalities of what happened or why he was sentencing
and all of that the way he was. But sehn
Toty Combs, what did he do back in about twenty
sixteen or thereabouts. He gave, He gave money, He put
his money where his mouth was, and he started trying
to formulate what he called our own political party, our
own black party. And that may in part be one

(48:51):
of the reasons why he was attacked the way he
was not that he did or did not do wrong
or did wrong. That's not for me to even discuss.
The point is, when you start trying to oppose the
status quo, the system, you're gonna confront, you know, some opposition.

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But he put money into trying to start a new party,
a black political party, and if we use our vote
wisely strategically, we can optimize the outcome. The problem has
not then that we didn't have, you know, the ability
to do it. But go back to about twenty one
when the Democrats were in well, the Democrats were in

(49:34):
full rooms in both Houses of Congress and reparations was
coming up. But the Black caucus said, hey, no, we're
not going to force the issue because we want to
win the mid terms. As opposed to saying this is
what black American needs, let's push it forward. No, they said, no,
we'll go with the party leadership. So, yeah, we need

(49:54):
to think more independently. This is what we've been talking
about the whole program. Think more independently, do things for
ourselves the way we can. We cannot count on politics alone.
We have to get together at the grassroots level and
every other level and explore the resources all kinds of
resources that we have in a strategic plan that we
all agree to or most of us agree to and

(50:16):
are willing to work the plan to get things done
that need to be done to improve our situation. Our
politics is just one aspect of it. Economics very much
at the center of it, and maybe even more important
is the mental frame of mind, the mental frame of
reference where we feel empowered, where we feel that we

(50:37):
are do what we are do and we just ain't
gonna take it no more. And when we get to
that point people agree on that, then I think we
will make some real progress.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
All right.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Basically, you're saying that we should have our own black agenda,
and you've you've created a framework for a black agenda.
People listening right now, How can they help get because
I'm sure you're open to modifications because you know, things
change or people change. It's like a chessboard. You got
to keep moving stuff around. If people want to help you,
doctor Robson, how can they reach you?

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Well, you're talking about the Long Term Strategic Plan for
Black America once again. The website is l t SP
s b A. It is the acronym for Long Term
Strategic Plan for Black America. Then dot org dot org
and once you go to that website you'll see that
you'll see the process that we went through to arrive

(51:29):
at this plan. It is open to modification UH and
the grassroots organization we call it an implementation team, and
we are thankful to those who have worked, you know,
diligently and tirelessly in many respects to bring what is
there about UH. There, We're all sitting there waiting for
you while we're working to come aboard. And here the plan.

(51:53):
Look at the executive summary is nothing more. Consider it
design where you want to fit in. We're talking about
nine different areas of life that you know we need
to work in. And then just write to us. You'll
see the contact information on the contact us page. Write
to us, email us and say that I want to

(52:16):
volunteer help Black America go forward. A little bit. I
can do or you can. We all have to start
somewhere and decide we don't make progress no matter what.
We we get that mindset again, working on the mind
then we'll make progress.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Gotcha?

Speaker 1 (52:34):
So so DoD give us the email address, folks and
reach you again.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Well, you can reach me specifically, and I'm the I'm
the Rapper Tour. I'm serving as a rapper tour for
the for the Long Term Strategic Plan for Black America
Implementation Team. My email address is just L T. S P.

Speaker 9 (52:50):
S b A.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
That's Long Term Strategic Plan for Black America dot bb
R at gmail dot com. Otherwise, you can write to
us at our website as well, Black Economics at Black
Economics dot org, Black Economics one Word at Black Economics

(53:11):
dot org, and you'll find some of the same content
on both websites. The Plan for sure, on both websites
and other works that we share across websites. We're just
trying to get the information out so people can see
what they can do to make things better for Black Americans,
because if we don't do it, I can ensure it
ain't gonna get done.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
That is so true, and that's why we have you
on here to share their information with us this morning.
But we want to thank you because what time is
she out there in Honolulu?

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Well, you know, Elsa, you just just kind of extended
my night, you know, just a little bit. It's one
o'clock in the morning here, just after n in the morning,
after one I think it's h ten after seven your time.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Right right right?

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Oh wow, Okay, listen, we appreciate you getting up staying
up for us in Hawaii to share this information with
us and keep us in the loop though, because you've
got the plan. So what's next? If next time you
come on, tell us what's next? What you what are
the plan to implement the plan? If you will, because
I think that's the stage you're at, or you still

(54:16):
you still put in the finishing touches on the plan.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
No, the plan is there. We just need people. We
need people. We need people to come aboard and help
us get the work done. We're doing what we can,
but we need more people to help us move forward
on all aspects of the nine areas that we have
established as focus points for doing work. We already have

(54:40):
detailed expectations and detailed plans for all of those areas.
We just need people come on as responsible parties. We're
calling them responsible parties. Become our responsible party. Take on
the responsibility to work what you can and what you
can do orther. You're talking about economics or hell or

(55:00):
how can the community develop that? Our education, our repreation,
religion and culture, our social proctive whatever you want to
work on, find your niel, your expertise, come aboard and
help us get the job done. And we are thankful
for all of those people who have spent all their
their energy and time helping get this website and the
plan together. They're waiting for you to come aboard and help.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
All right, thank you, doctor Robinson, thank you for sharing
your thoughts, and thank you for putting this plan into
action for us. All Oh yes, ten minutes at the
top of this bringing brother Obie now into the conversation,
Grant rising, Brother Obi, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Good morning Africa.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I'm still learning, brother Obie. I'm still learning. How about yourself?

Speaker 3 (55:48):
You're good.

Speaker 9 (55:50):
And every day we wake up and get to embrace
our historical responsibility in the front line.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
It's a perfect day.

Speaker 9 (55:57):
And thank you for the opportunity to be on this morning.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
I understand you got some young people with you. You've
got a new program you're working with.

Speaker 9 (56:03):
Can you share that with us? What's different today? We
have with us the leadership of the Kwameterray Society at
Howard University. You have the president LaTrece Johnson, and you
have our sister Delaney Lennard, and we're on today to

(56:24):
talk about a historical tribute to the fallen warrior Asada
Olubaila Shakur that'll be taking place at Howard University tomorrow
evening from five to seven in the Black One Center.
So it is with honor that I present these two
young warriors once again, Latrees Johnson and Delaney Leonard, and

(56:45):
they're going to talk about the event that they have
coming up tomorrow and I'll answer questions in.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
The back end right twelve at the topic. How let's
start with LaTrece latrese granam rising, Welcome to the program.

Speaker 10 (56:56):
Good morning, Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Tell us how this was received, this idea that you wanted,
you guys wanted to present something on behalf of a
side of your court. How did this come about?

Speaker 10 (57:07):
Yeah, so when asadash Court passed, this is about a
month ago, we really started venerating her off the bat.
So the Quamate to Ray Society for Africana Studies is
a Pan African study group that meets on Howard's campus
once a week and when we're together, we engage in
study of our revolutionary ancestors as well as a current

(57:32):
events of course, and it's just a space to raise
our political consciousness. There were some of our members who
had never read her before, so we started reading her
autobiography the week that she passed. And the event kind
of came from a collective want to meet and gather
and venerate the ancestors. And we just know so many

(57:55):
people in our network that have been involved with the Sada,
either they met her directly or they were on her
legal team or things of that nature. So we just
kind of pulled everything together and we're like, we want
to make this a really special event to show our
love and our our again veneration or deep honoring of

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this ancestor.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
All right, fourteen at the top of our family, two
students from Howard University here and they having a program
for a Sada Chakoll. Let me speak to Delaney and
Delaney Grant Rising. Welcome to the program.

Speaker 11 (58:28):
Good morning, brother, how are you.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
We're still learning, Delaney, you're on college campus. We have learning,
but we're still learning even though those days are over
to many of us. But tell us what was the
reaction when you guys started talking about a Sada Shakur.
Was there any pushback where the students supportive of what
you guys are.

Speaker 11 (58:45):
Doing Yeah, So I would say that we have not
received any pushback in terms of kts's presence on campus.
There's been a lot of work done not only by
I KTS but also other radical organizations on campus to
really start building out a community of students that is

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far reaching. Obviously, the goal of you know, any political
organization is you know, to get our ideology in the
hands of our people so we can use that political
consciousness for further struggle. So that's been a big goal
that a lot of the organizers on campus have had
this year. And I think because of that work, and

(59:28):
we did drop the Asada event, we were really just
met with excitement and just sort of like an eagerness
to engage with her legacy understand more about you know,
what does it mean that you know, she was in
Cuba for the entire rest of her life, right, Like,
what is that? What does that mean politically? What does
that mean for us today? So I think definitely no

(59:50):
pushback at all. I would say like acceptance honestly in
terms of folks from the radical community wanting to venerate
this ancestor, but also just folks that are not you know,
on Howard's campus that are excited and ready to be
a part of this event.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, I'm glad to hear that because a few years ago,
for some time ago, actually, I know, there was a
president or of the Black studies about it at a
pow High school and he had a hard time getting
the black students a freshmen to come in to take
Black Studies even as elective. And he was saying, you know,
they were thinking about merging his department with the Hispanics
and all that and just have one giant minority department,

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but he couldn't get the younger black students to get in.
I mean, I mean, you guys are on Howard, so
it's a little different. But some of these students going
through these predominant white institutions, they don't feel like they
you know, they want to know about our history. But
you say, you don't have that particular problem with Howard, right,
But I to you, Oh, I'm looking at clock. Hold
second delayey, I'll let you respond to that when we
get back. We got take a quick break. Seventeen minutes

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after the top of the Our Family. You want to
jump in on this conversation with the assistans from the
coromittory to Ray Society at Howard University. They having an
event for a scholarship corps. Reach out to us at
eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy sixty. We'll
take your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising family, thanks
for starting your week with us. At twenty minutes after
the top there o brother Obie's got two sisters from
Howard University. They're part of the Kwame Tora Society putting

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on an event for Asana Shakur sister Latertian's sister, Delaney. So, Delaney,
the question I asked you before, did you have any
problems attracting students, because as I mentioned the story, I
told you that with the school there is a predominantly
wine institution. The head of the Africana Studies department, in fact,
I had this is way back because doctor Wilson had
Doctor Wilson calling and speak to the students and Tony

(01:01:34):
Browner as well, trying to get these students excited, you know,
and here's some of our great scholars. But I don't
know how much it did because because he still complained
that you couldn't get students to come to you know,
take black studies programs weren't. They weren't concerned about black issues.
But I guess it's different on your camps at Howard.

Speaker 11 (01:01:58):
Yeah, so I would say that, and I'm so sorry
about my voice. I am losing it a little bit.
But I would say that, you know, there are definitely
differences in the struggle that is present for Africana studies
on a PWI and an hbs TU campus. So I
would say that I wouldn't necessarily say that there's an

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issue of interest on Howard's campus because there are a
lot of folks in the Africanic department, there are a
lot of folks that come to KTS, there are a
lot of folks excuse me, there are a lot of
folks in the radical space in general. But I would
say that writ large, you know, the community that we've
been able to cultivate of conscious students, you know that

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are ready to go out there and fight for the community.
I would say it's still relatively small on Howard's campus
in comparison to the entire population. So while I would say,
you know, there isn't necessarily that struggle for like, are
students interested in Africana studies, But I would say that,
you know, there's always that battle for AFRICANMA studies that

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is president even on an HBCU campus, because the nature
of the study, you know, it threatens the nature of
the institution. So there's always going to be that battle
of you know, trying to promote Africana studies on a
campus that ultimately is not seeking to writ large. And
I'm talking about Howard University as an institution at this point,

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as a really as a corporation.

Speaker 9 (01:03:26):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:03:27):
That the ideology of AFRICANMA studies does stand in opposition
to that. So I would say that there's always that
struggle present, There's always that tension present between AFRICANMA studies
and the institution on campus. But I would say to
your question about student interests, I would say that, you know, overall,
the population of students interested in AFRICANMA studies and in

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the work that KTS is doing at Howard's campus, it
is small, but it is still quite large compared to
you know, me and the treat's freshman year. I mean,
we remember coming in in the radical community being very
very very small. So it has greatly expanded. But you know,
I don't want to frame it as like, oh, you know,
like Africana studies is so well protected just because we're

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at an HBCU or otherwise.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
All right, thanks for that explanation twenty three at the top.
Let's go switch over to other trees. So trace tell
us about this event for a Sada Shakur.

Speaker 10 (01:04:20):
So it will be in the Blackburn Center on Howard
University's campus in Room one four, and we'll start at
five pm. We'll have a performance by the mass Emphasis
Children's Theater and they'll be doing a drum performance for us.
After that, we plan to have a collective conversation with

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uncle brother James Early, who is a very excellent, excellent person.
He's a very like renowned Cuba expert, so I expect
him to talk about the country of Cuba and uh
it's connection with the Sada Shakur.

Speaker 11 (01:04:57):
Then we have.

Speaker 10 (01:04:59):
A catchy Tayso who is a human rights attorney and
she works with a SADA. And then we also have
doctor Kimsley Monroe who is an alum of Howard University.
She teaches Africana studies at Trinity College. We'll also have
the Cuba Zimbabwe Friendship Association and so that's obi she's
on here today. And we have HG Abolitionists, which is

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another student group along with the Commentary Society. So we
plan it to be kind of a more casual conversation
rather than like a lecturer or something like that, because
we want people who attend, both students and community members alike,
to feel like they're welcome to speak, ask questions, and
just be in a collective conversation with all of the

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invited guests.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
You know, you guys seem kind of young, so it's
not a not but you guys do really seem kind
of young. At what point did you become aware of
a son as your core?

Speaker 10 (01:05:57):
Yeah, I had heard Ada the invoked all the time,
just throughout my time organizing. I think I started organizing
at like sixteen. I joined the All African People's Revolutionary
Party at sixteen, so of course, like I had heard
her name be invoked all the time. But I won't lie.

(01:06:18):
I didn't read her autobiography until last summer while I
was doing study abroad in Nigeria. But it was a
very timely read for me because things were just kind
of aligning up in such a way that was very spiritual.
So I had heard about her, but I didn't really
interact with her in her work, her memory, her words.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Until last summer, right twenty five after the top of
our family and just checking in, I guess for two
students from Howard University there part of the kwame terracial
side of here, and they're putting on an event for
a side of Shakur. They just heard from Latresa and
sister Delany is also with us. So, Sister Delaney, when
you guys did your research about Aside of Shakur, is
there anything that stood out to you like, Wow, this sister,

(01:06:58):
this sister was really really on a different level than
most of the sisters of her time.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:07:06):
So I would say that for me, Asada has been
very foundational to my politic, just in terms of the
way that in her autobiography she writes about caring about humans,
caring about just existence, caring about people, particularly African people.

(01:07:26):
It was just I've never seen, at least up to
the point when I've read this, I've never seen that
level of care and spirituality really embedded in a radical politic,
a politic that ultimately was like I'm willing to take
up arms for my people, I'm willing to die for
my people. So I think that level of just dedication

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towards the African struggle is something that I've always looked
to emulate. It's something that I've always felt very close
to because I feel very similarly about African people, about
colonized people becoming So to see a woman really embody
that so unapologetically and be so demonized for it and

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never ever falter, I think it's just such a it's
it's like beyond inspiration. It's almost like she kind of
gave us the blueprint of, you know, how to really
embody struggle. But I would say, to answer your question
a little bit more specifically about anything that stood out
when just kind of researching her understanding her, I would

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definitely say her relationship to Cuba is something that we
should be really intentional about highlighting as you know, we
kind of move forward with, you know, assadas transition. I
think that it's so meaningful and so important that we
recognize that it was a socialist state, right, a socialist state,

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a state that is full of African people from the
Diaspa that are practicing African modes of being through religion
and through resistance right historically and currently. And I think
it's there's something to be said about that, the fact
that she was able to be in this state for
the remainder of her life without compromise, you know, considering

(01:09:10):
all that Cuba is battling itself, right I've been to
Cuba twice in the past year, and these folks are
struggling intensely, not only because of the blockade but also
because of other reasons. But we know that the blockade
is a huge, huge deal.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
And the fact that, you.

Speaker 11 (01:09:25):
Know, folks from the Cuban government were willing to say no,
we're not willing to give up Asada to you know,
get the blockade removed, this genocidal policy that is like
stripping you know, the people of medical aid, of food,
of all these different things. The fact that they were
still willing to, you know, essentially stand on business and
say no, we're not going to give up a soda,

(01:09:46):
We're not going to give up this. I think there's
something really important and meaningful about that, and I hope
that kind of with the Sada transition, more African people
will feel inclined to be in solidarity with the African
people that are on the island right now, because folks
are definitely struggling. But the work is still continuing even
on So that's I hope that kind of answered your question.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
He sure does.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
At thirty minutes out at the top, they are family
that the folks on the island are bracing for a
visit from Hurricane Melissa just on the doorsteps of Jamaica
as we speak right now, as a category five the
highest rating to us, there's going to be a lot
of destructions. It plows through Jamaica, going on the way
to southern Cuba around by the Guantanamo Bay with their
naval basis and moves on to the Turks and Caicus

(01:10:33):
and the Bahamas and probably Bermuda. So to keep those
family members in prayer for us, those brothers and sisters
down there, and had our ships it sailed differently, we'd
probably be down there as well. Having said that, they
move over to Latrese. And if you're just checking in
Latrese and you just heard from Delating to both of
these sisters from Howard University, they're part of the Kwami
to raise society and they putting down event for a

(01:10:54):
sad of court. That's how Cuba got in the picture,
and a sodas course, you know, as Delaying mentioned she
shoes exile on the island for quite some time, and
the Cubans refused to give her up. Even with all
the blockade they could have gotten federal terms of different
Cuban leaders. Even after Fidel left, they still steadfastly stock
by a side of shakur. But let Truch, let me

(01:11:15):
ask you this still it just what the program that
you have coming up on campus this week? Is it
a focus on that or does it focus because you
know many people, well the government would like us to
focus on what happened on the Jersey Turnpike and they
shootout and the escape and all of that. Did you
get into that or you just get into her ideology
when she moved to Cuba or before she moved to

(01:11:35):
Cuba as well, because she had the anology before she left.

Speaker 10 (01:11:38):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (01:11:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:11:40):
I think the conversation tomorrow, while we can't really predict
how it's going to go or what things people might
bring up, well definitely discussed it if it comes up.
But obviously assad as a corp, like her entire life,
doesn't boil down to just that moment. I understand like
it was a turning point in her life, so I
unders and if it does come up, but at the

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end of the day, like she lived for almost eighty years,
like that's so much to talk about, So I can
see it's definitely talking about her introduction into the radical
space because she was a student in college just like us.
We'll likely talk about her upbringing, her parents and all
of those who surrounded her and her family that kind

(01:12:23):
of made her the woman that she was. And of
course we'll talk about her time while she was incarcerated
and her time while.

Speaker 9 (01:12:33):
She was free.

Speaker 10 (01:12:34):
So I really see the conversation as kind of encompassing
her entire life, both things that might be considered to
be you know, the good parts, and then also the
things that were really difficult and you know, kind of
hard to talk about. I think it's important that we
remain you know, realistic and honest about everything that happened,
just so that people are you know, in a have awareness,

(01:12:56):
are conscious about her life and its entirety.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Well, this twenty eight away from the top of our
Family I mentioned, you can check it out this conversation
with Assistan Literrecia just heard her and sist At Delady
from Howard University and part of the Quame to Racist
Satday and they're doing a program for as Sadashi Corps
on Tuesday. Let me ask you this though, did you
think the Cuban government were they appreciative of a Solace Cord?
Did they align themselves with her philosophy or was it

(01:13:21):
just that they was it just to thumb their nose
at the United States? Was this something to get back
at America? Or was there really embracing Asata? What does
your research showed you?

Speaker 10 (01:13:33):
Yeah, I think we'd be doing anything speak to this
question a little bit more. But I really seek Kusa's
decision to accept her as an asilence seeker as a
stance of solidarity and understanding what she went through and
understanding the condition of black people in America. I see
it as a you know, kind of correct political analysis

(01:13:54):
to support such a woman and to use their relative
sovereignty and autonomy to protect somebody who was being persecuted
by an imperialist state.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Yeah, but did do you think that I'll let me
put it to delaneying, so it's just a Delaney twenty
seven away from the town. Do you think that same
question I was just a phrase of different ways. Do
you think that what made the Cubans stand behind a
statishy course, not because of a statishy court and what
she stood for the fact they wanted to, you know,
sort of thumb they noses in the US, trying to

(01:14:30):
get back at America.

Speaker 11 (01:14:34):
So I would say, and this is going to be
Delaney Leonards analysis, right, I would say the answer to
that question is no. And the reason why I don't
believe that this was a play to sort of get
back at the United States versus just a genuine show
of solidarity is because of the Cuban government's history of
demonstrating solidarity with other African nations historically.

Speaker 10 (01:14:56):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:14:56):
So I'll bring up the example particularly of Angola, and
Gola is about to be invaded by the South Africans.
They're struggling, they're trying to maintain their sovereignty, right, and
Cuba sends I believe it's three thousand soldiers with African descent,
men and women who volunteer willingly. They want to go

(01:15:17):
and support the angle and struggle because they see it
as their struggle one and the same. Right, So Fidell intentionally,
you know, he calls this eating in Cuba on a
malacon and he's like, yo, what are we going to do,
what do y'all want to do? And he intentionally calls
out to all the folks of African descent on the island, because,

(01:15:38):
like I said, it is a huge African population in Cuba.
A lot of folks don't really have that perception of
the island just because of the associations with like, you know,
white Miami Cubans. But I can attest to the fact
that it is truly like it is Africans everywhere. But
either way, these folks are like, yeah, we want to
go fight, we want to go support this struggle. We

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see this as our struggle. And so they did, and
they did this. The Cuban government sent these folks without
relying on the Chinese, without relying on you know, the
Soviet Union. It was just done because Fidel understood how
important Africa was to Cuba. He understood the contributions that
the African continent had made on the island purely because

(01:16:18):
of the fact of colonization. Right the island was built
up by enslaved Africans. And so when you go to
the island and when you talk to people, you talk
to African people, and you see they understand. And I
will say, you know, there's a different understanding of race
down there, but folks still understand that I am somebody
that is of African. Just said, I am still connected

(01:16:40):
to the continent, and you see this in the religious
back in the cultural practices, et ce. So to answer
your question on whether or not, you know, accepting Asato
was more so a political move to sort of get
back at the United States, I personally don't believe so,
just because of the other previous examples of Cuban solidity

(01:17:00):
with African struggle historically that I can kind of back
up that, you know, this is something similar to what
my sisters said. It's really not the This is something
that the Cuban government did because of you know, having
correct politics of you know, seeing the situation that our
sister was in and understanding that they had the ability
to take her in and productor. And so that's what

(01:17:23):
my analysis would be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
All right, holdor.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Brother Obie, hold on a secon We got to get
caught up on the latest traffic news, whether or not
different cities. I let you respond when we get back. Also, sisters,
I want to hear from you, what's your thoughts about
asatas the court did she interact with the Cuban people
or its just was she isolated when she was there?
And if so, do you talk about this? I let
you get in all that. We get back twenty three
minutes away for the top day. Our family. Brother Obie's

(01:17:50):
got two sisters from Howard University from the Kwame Terree
Society and they're putting on a package, a plan, a play.
If you're will for us sat as your court, it's
going to take place campus tomorrow. You want more information,
you want to join us, reach out to us at
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six
and we'll take your phone calls after the news. That's
next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week

(01:18:11):
with us. I guesst His brother Obi's brought two sisters
from Howard University. They're part of the kwameter Ray Society
and they're putting on a program for a Slaship cour
on Tuesday on campus and want all of us to attend.
So we'll give you more information about that in the moment.
Let me just remind you come up later this morning.
We're going to speak to the founder of the Black
Lawyers for Justice. That'll be Attorney Malik Shabbaz and later
this week, futuristic researcher brother Sideka Bakari will join us

(01:18:33):
gives an update on what's going on in the land
of artificial intelligence. Also, the President General of the Universal
Lamkin People's Organization, Brother Zaki Buruti, will be here and
economists that doctor Julian Malveaux will also join us. So
if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your
radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB or if
we're in the dmv R on fourteen fifty WL. All right,
brother Obi, I know you want to chime in with

(01:18:54):
some things that go ahead.

Speaker 9 (01:18:56):
Yeah, I'm just real quickly, Brother carl As you know
how people approached this question. First of all, the question,
I mean, the answer is emphatically known because Robert Williams,
after he dealt with the situation in Monroe, North Carolina
and defended our people militarily, he went to Cuba and

(01:19:19):
they protected him the whole time. Asada was down there,
she had a comrade who was right by his side
named Na Honda Obia Doom, so they were protecting her too.
So that and in nineteen sixty seven when Kwame Terray
went and spoke for he representing the Student Non Violent
Coordinating Committee for the Organization of Latin American Solidarity Comandante

(01:19:43):
Pidel Castro said that the United States touched one grain
on his head, they would retaliate, So they have a
track record. These are people who want to separate do
struggle in the United States from the struggle in Africa.
So when as Mtrees brought up Africa and Delaney brought
up Africa, these are people who will trying to say

(01:20:05):
that that is different. So we and there's a whole
list we can speak to now in relationship to how
Asada moved on the island for security reason, that is
something that we cannot and will not answer. But what
we can do is we will refer people to the
interview that she gave to Nissa Islam Muhammad, the Washington

(01:20:25):
Bureau chief of the Final Call, twenty two years ago,
that was published in all two hundred newspapers that make
up the National Newspaper Publishers Association. So people can go
to that archives and pull that view up that our
sister Nissa did that we helped arrange. And lastly, most
people's information reference is Carlos Moor's book. Castro the blacks

(01:20:49):
in Africa. They're questioning the authenticity of Cuba embracing the
African liberation struggling both in the diaspora and on the continent.
But if people look at the introduction of that book,
Carlos More thanks Ambassador Andrew Young for taking him to
the Ford Foundation to get the grant to write that
book in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
And let me ask you, yeah, brother Obi, did was
there any pushback by any of the Cubans on the island.
Did they ever say, well, I don't they just give
a sada so that they can end up blocking.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Life will be good?

Speaker 12 (01:21:26):
Never, never, never, just like there was no pushback when
Robert Williams was there, there was no pushback when Nihanda
Obia Don was there, and there's never been.

Speaker 9 (01:21:39):
Any pushback for any work they've done in African nations
or Caribbean nations. And this is the reason that we're
coming together tomorrow to give people updates on projects we
have in ASADA's honor, to bring up what we plan
to do in Africa, what we plan to do in
the Caribbean, which we won't talk about today because don't

(01:22:00):
want to let the cut out the bad So no, no, no, no, no, no,
that's nonsense and it shouldn't even be entertained anymore. We
didn't entertain it when she was alive. We're not going
to entertain it while she's passing. There's a trail of
service that Cuba has offered in a multitude of areas
that cannot be challenged and not be disputed by anyone.

(01:22:23):
And those who do it, they basically expose where their
point of references are coming from. That's why I wanted
to give it to you. It's a book called Castro
The Blacks in Africa that was paid for by the
Ford Foundation in case people did not.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
Know, well, thank you for sh that in relationship.

Speaker 9 (01:22:43):
Once again, nor Hold real quickly in relationship to her
secure her movement on the island. That is something that
the three of us are not equipped to answer and
will not attempt to answer. But she gave field questions.
When Nissa Islam Muhammad of the Final Call interviewed her,
she went into that a little bit. Best to let

(01:23:04):
her words capture the essence and magnitude of what that
meant to her. All we're doing is highlighting projects we're
doing moving forward in her name.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Because brother Obi just heard brother Obi, and also he
has two students from Howard University with us a family.
We have a sister Latrece's assistant Delaney, having a program
for the Satasha cour on campus tomorrow Tuesday, and we're
gonna give you more information about that. So let me
go back to the sisters. Then, I think we spoke
to Latrice to the last, so let's go to a

(01:23:36):
sister Delaney. So, Sister Delaney, of all the stuff that
you heard about a Satasha court, when you present it
to your group at Howard, were they receptive of doing
the program that Brother Obi is outlined.

Speaker 11 (01:23:51):
Oh yeah, absolutely. Just to touch on kind of a
little bit more on how the program came into being,
Brother Obi got connected with myself over the summer and
I further introduced him to the rest of the leadership
body as four of us, shady On, Julie, the Truth
and myself, and we really just kind of started working

(01:24:13):
with him and building with him. We knew that we
wanted to start integrating more community based organizations such as
His Mass Emphasis, Children's head and the Cuba Zimbabwe Friendship Association.
We wanted to bring these folks onto campus and start
integrating the like that Yeah, there's community organizing that it's
happening right bias that is internationally focused, and that's really

(01:24:37):
really important. So yeah, we kind of just I mean,
really the event came into beings from a conversation that
I had with Bobi on the phone following ASADA's passing,
and we understand the significance of Howard, and we understand
these significance of having an event to honor Asada at
a place like Howard. So it was it was it

(01:24:59):
was a pretty i would say, straightforward process in terms
of actually formulating the event. When I came back to
the rest of the group and told them about it,
kind of similar to what Lichisa has said, Like Asada
has been very foundational in all of our politics. We
all understand her significance very deeply, and so it was
kind of a no brainer to you know, bring her legacies,

(01:25:21):
bring veneration of her onto campus, and allow it to
be a space leffles from the community can also come
and engage with as it kind of collectively grieve but
also collectively think about what does her past and her
transition mean for us moving forward? What work do we
need to make sure that we are upholding and carrying
forward all right.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
And as said.

Speaker 9 (01:25:46):
No and as delaying brilliantly outlined and chronicles, we were
doing work around the Sada before her past, because when
we met, you had us on. On July thirtieth, launched
a project called the Assada Shakur Pauline Lamouonba Project, which
is to focus on assistant Cuba's medical efforts on the

(01:26:07):
African continent and then her presidential Capacityltrese Johnson was the
first speaker, so they reaffirmed their solidarity to that project,
and we did that in July, so that was our
first interaction with each other.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
So it was a no.

Speaker 9 (01:26:22):
Brainer that we were going to do this, and I
wanted to just highlight that because we've been collaborating on
doing things and the working tributes to Asada before her passion.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Let me go to La Tresa on this question Laterresa,
do you have any any of your professors and the
teachers the administrators at Howard who advised us and helping
you guys navigate putting on events like this or this
sort of just leave you guys to alone.

Speaker 10 (01:26:52):
Oh, yeah, for sure. So kame Terra Society has existed
for twenty five years, so this year actually makes it
twenty fifth cycle of KTS meeting. Officially, we have multiple
professors that teach in Africana Studies in the Afro American
Studies Department on campus that are KTS alumnis, so we

(01:27:14):
work very closely with them.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
I'll just learn them.

Speaker 10 (01:27:16):
That would be doctor Joshua Miles and doctor Schmise Thompson.
They both really keep they really keep in contact with
us and we're you know that we can ask any
type of questions. They're very supportive. Honestly, all of the
Afrikana Department is very supportive of KTS initiatives. And then

(01:27:37):
of course we have people like Obi, who I think
he's a great resource because he just knows so many people.

Speaker 11 (01:27:42):
So when it.

Speaker 10 (01:27:43):
Came to organizing this event, it was more of a yeah,
like we told like one person, Hey, we're trying to
put on this event, like is there anyone that you
think we should invite to come speak? And they're like yeah,
Like here's their contact information. We reach out to them
and they're like yeah, like I'll come. So it's just
a very communal thing and yeah, we have a lot
of support from the Alco American Studies Department.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
That's good to hear, because I know at some point
Cometary did have some contentious events at Howard. So it
seems like everything's forgiven now, or I guess time has
erased the memory of what some people who are on
campus at the time had disputes with him. So I'm
glad to hear that, you know, the brothers and sisters
coming together and honoring and keeping this.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
Go ahead, real, no, real, quickly.

Speaker 9 (01:28:32):
Howard University always considered, they told Kwame on numerous occasions,
and at his last conversation on campus in nineteen ninety
eight in the Ranking Chapel, the fires Chat Conversation, they said,
Howard University is his home away from home and one
of his biggest fundraisers. When he was bottling the cancer,

(01:28:53):
a thousand people came to crams. So, brother Kwame, he
had whoever had opposition to kume. Yeah, campus watch in
particular two Ray Archer and William King knowing in our
community as demanded. So I just wanted to tell you
that you, brother Climb, he had unconditional love on that campus.

(01:29:18):
And as a matter of fact, the All African People's
Revolutionary Party in the United States was launched in nineteen
seventy two on Howard's campus. So the support system for
the AAPRP at Howard University, it goes without saying. So
whoever had opposition to him, they had to whistle it,
and they had to be very careful what they said

(01:29:41):
and how they said it. I just wanted to share
that very important to.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Know and I'm glad you did. And I'm glad to
hear that as well. Four away from the top, dare
we got to step aside and get caught up in
the ladies trafficking weather in our different cities. When we
come back that we'll close out with our group. If
you just hear that's brother Obie. He's got two students
from Howard University with us, Sister Latresa's. They're putting on
a program for a Sadashi Corps. It's going to take
place on the Howard campus on Tuesday evening and you're

(01:30:06):
all invited. If you want more information, just reach out
to us right now at eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy six. We'll take your phone calls. After
the trafficking weather it's next and Grand Rising family, and
thanks for starting your week with us. So we're speaking
with brother Obi. He's got two sisters from Howard University,
a part of the Kwame Tore Society and they're having
a program for a Satishi Corps on Tuesday, and Brother Obi,

(01:30:30):
Sister Fahima has a question for you guys. She's on
Alligned seventy Grand Rising Sister for Hima. You're on with
Brother Obi and also Latrice and Delaney.

Speaker 13 (01:30:39):
Yes, good morning, thank you for taking my call, mister
Nelson and greening to my young fellow Addison sisters there
and two Brother Obi. First, I want to make a
comment and pose a question. When I was a student
my first semester at Howard University, I was invited by
sister Yahs to be on that planning committee for that

(01:31:00):
tribute that Brother Obi mentioned at Crampton Auditorium. I also
had the pleasure of being in Rank and Chapel when
the late ancestor Kwametory gave his historic presentation. And also
there were two how To lumns who made sure that

(01:31:21):
brother Kwamittoy got a posthumous doctorate degree from Howard University.
And I'll let Brother Obi elaborate on that, but my
question is will this event be live? Stream because unfortunately
I won't be able to physically be there.

Speaker 10 (01:31:42):
Yeah, that's a good question, and I know lots of
people have not question as well. We pysically don't live
stream our events or our meetings for one reason. Security
is concerned for us. Sometimes we don't really know who
is watching, and we value in person meetings and things

(01:32:03):
like that. So we will definitely be sharing photos from
the event and clips so you can if you have Instagram,
you can definitely tap in and truck that after the event.
But unfortunately know we won't.

Speaker 14 (01:32:15):
Be live streaming.

Speaker 13 (01:32:17):
I do understand and respect that. And a brother Obi
Kin briefly talk about the posthumous degree that was awarded
to our ancestor Kwametoray during a commencement a number of
years ago.

Speaker 9 (01:32:35):
Wow, my like mind function. Like mind function the way
they do before we closed out, I was going to
mention that in nineteen ninety nine, in its capacity as
the student the use of student representative to the Board
of Trustee, former Howard University Student Administration President Jonathan Hutson,

(01:32:56):
who's the first Houston president to go to Cuba, by
the way, went for the International Youth Festival. Shout out
to him as he's listening. He spearheaded Jane a brother
named Doc Randy Short twushed for James Farmer to get
a degree, and Jonathan pushed for Kwame Terray to get
an honorary degree from Howard University. So he got an

(01:33:18):
honorary degree. Brother Paul and listeners honorary PhD from Howard
University one year after his passing. And the very most
interesting thing about that is Colin Powell was on the
boarded trustees when that happened, and he moved out of

(01:33:38):
the way and had nothing and didn't do anything about that.
Because if you know their history, you know that they
grew up in the same neighborhood, attended the same elementary
school ps for thirty nine in the Bronx Colon Powell
four years ahead of Quanton. And the very first thing
we did with the Kwameterray Society twelve years ago was

(01:34:00):
our children's play, same neighborhood, different perspectives, a conversation between
General Colem Powell and Kwameterra. So he had that level
of support that Howard University. If you understand the bureaucracy,
if you understand the politics, there was no resistance whatsoever.
To brother Kwame getting an honorary degree, and his beautiful

(01:34:20):
mother May Charles as we affectionately call her the elder
of Mabel Carmichael, was brought in in person to be
involved in that process, and later on she was honored
as the National Council of Negro Women and doctor Dorothy
Heyde told the story of how when Kwame was freedom writing,

(01:34:41):
he had ran up a phone bill and he couldn't
get back into school, and the National Council of Negro
Women and Dorothy Heyde paid off the phone bill. Wow,
hope I didn't take up too much time responding.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
No, No, that's that's a beautiful story right there, b Obie,
and we got that attorney leak shack. But before we
go to attorney league, brother Saku's calling from Baltimore. Has
a question for you or comedies online one grand rising
brother sa Cou. You're only brother Obi, the sister Latrice
and the.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
Sister John Bo. What's up? What's up? Sircuse?

Speaker 14 (01:35:19):
Hey, brother Obie, did did you write the book Paying
African Leadership?

Speaker 9 (01:35:27):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:35:28):
No, sir, the only the only writer. Yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 9 (01:35:33):
Yeah, long long.

Speaker 14 (01:35:34):
Person, Okay, listen, we're where where the Kwame two wig
uh event. We're focused on his envolvement from integration doing
sittings to a revolutionary leader because you know I signed,
I signed a lot of people.

Speaker 9 (01:35:55):
No, no, brother, cool, hold on, hold on the event.
The event tomorrow night is to honor Assarde of Shakur.
It is being put on by the Kwame to raise society.

Speaker 14 (01:36:09):
Okay, I understanding that, But I think it's gonna be
hard not to talk about Quam correct because it will.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
Be it will be durn. But go ahead and ask
you because as the question, Okay.

Speaker 14 (01:36:25):
My question is will that event focus on the environment
of t the m and supporting the liberation movements in
Africa that came to power under doctor nette and doctor
Netteo's daughter boasting bragging about having become a billionaire. That

(01:36:48):
is not the adjective of revolution, and folk have to
be made to understand that that was a petty bourge
wild reformation, just like the movement in South Africa under
Nelson Man gently was a petty bourgeois reformation, which is
why he's still underwag domination. But his sister shot outside
of shot court. He is truly a revolutioner. And I

(01:37:11):
know they are people who identify with her now after
she's deceased, which they would not identify with her when
she was lifted.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
For your car.

Speaker 9 (01:37:25):
We yeah, we want to be generous with the time
we're running over because there's a response of the runover
and thank you, Brother Karl, for being so generous of
the time. So the answer is yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
we we will. We will put all of that in
context and in the time we're afforded, we will. We
will do that because our time will be short. The

(01:37:45):
young sisters want more of a conversation, but we promise
everybody we will. We will highlight those things. And Brother
Carl is a very crafty brother. He tries to get
us to do the program before the program. So we
still love them though, so we were purposely deliberately general today.

(01:38:06):
We were purposely a deliberate, deliberate and wanting the sisters
to be heard because of what they are doing to
show the cross generational harmony, which was necessary to do this,
and that's what we're doing. And Brother Carl, like he
always does, is going to post the flyer we sent
him on his Facebook page that thousands of people in

(01:38:27):
the DC metropolitan area always look at so we off
to see them tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
All right, give us again the details of tomorrow time
on campus where on campus.

Speaker 10 (01:38:42):
It'll be the room number in the Blackburn Center room
from five to seven pm plus tomorrow Tuesday, October twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
All right, and thanks.

Speaker 9 (01:38:54):
You got from five to seven and we got to
get out of there at seven o'clock too.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
So we're so.

Speaker 9 (01:38:59):
Thankful to the young sisters for making it happen. And
it's going to be an honor to share their time
with so many people. Long live a Sada, Long lived Cuba,
Long live the African fighting spirit.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
Thank you Carl as always.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
All right, thank you, Brother Obi, thank you Litrice, thank
you Delaney, Thank you guys, and keep up, keep up
the spirit of a sada on campus even when this
is over. Thank you guys for doing that. All right, family,
ten after the top there, I lets bring another bison
to the conversation here. That'll be a turning maleak Shabazz
Grahind Rising, Attorney Malik, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
Rising Brother Carl Nelson and students at Howard University kwame
to raise society and Brother Obie Booner, good morning to
you all.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
I know you you want to say something about his
sister Shata as well.

Speaker 4 (01:39:52):
Oh I co signed the appreciation for Sister Queen the
Sataship Corps. We mourned her passing and we remember, you know,
how she got to Cuba, why she got to Cuba,

(01:40:12):
and you know, in reviewing her history, we make no
pretensions about it. She was a she was a revolutionary.
She was a major leader of the of the Black
Liberation Army. She was a former black passer and honest
to also soon be out of Okolie and Zaide Shakur

(01:40:35):
comrades who fought it out on the New Jersey Turnpike.
And she was liberated. She was liberated from a United
States prison by other revolutionaries in nineteen seventy nine. And
that's how she got to Cuba. And and so Cuba
is to be lauded, like I guess, standing up for
somebody that stood up for us. And we have to

(01:40:57):
know that this sister here that we talk about us
out of Shakour, she's a She's a real live revolutionary
to put it all on the line for a suffering
and oppressed people. So I'll be at Howard University well
with the students that back in my Alma Mater and
I'm gonna be there with brother Obion and I'm honored

(01:41:17):
to participate in such activity.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
All right, twelve after the top hour, If we'll get
into the meat of your conversation, a couple of legal
updates you who you want to share with us from
as founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice.

Speaker 4 (01:41:33):
Yes, yes, sir as lead as league counselor for Black
Lawyers for Justice, and uh in my law practice here
in this area law officers of my leakship, buys. I
want to to say that we've reached a couple of
resolutions between cases I've talked about here before. I've spoke
on some music cases. I think the other week of

(01:41:55):
Collin Muhammad's a State and their actions towards Deaf Jam Records,
Universal Records and that put out classic albums Macavelly, The
Don Calluminati, the Seven Day Theory by Tupac's last album

(01:42:15):
which features Kali Muhammad and public enemies. Awesome, legendary album.
Talking about it takes a nation of millions to hold
us back. You know, it features Colin Muhammad and many
people don't know what Colin Muhammad is. That voice on
the Night of the Living Base head as well. We did.

(01:42:36):
We have litigation and court action against him in California
because we want doctor Colin Muhammad to receive his named
credit and his royalties from these projects so that they
can help his estate and the revolutionary work that is
a state is doing to keep his legacy alive. And

(01:42:58):
so I say all that to say that that we
did not and that we reached a resolution in one
of those matters. And that's what the brothers that were
not soothed. But we were able to reach a resolution, uh,
with the representatives of Pete Rock and Common, Pete Rock
and Common for their album that they released together joint

(01:43:22):
album last year on the Auditorium. It's called the Auditorium.
And on that song, so many people, uh, they used
the voice of Kylie and Mohammad and and and I
guess they didn't get it clear with his family or
with us. But we're pleased to announce that amicably that

(01:43:44):
we've we resolved this matter. We didn't have to go
into court with against our brothers and their representatives, that
we have resolved it and that Kali Muhammad will forever
have named credit on this album, The Auditorium by Pete
Rock and common he has named credit he he and

(01:44:06):
he and then for undisclosed royalties for past and future
that colin Muhammad's estate and his legacy, which is striving
to build a museum, training institutions and documentaries about College Muhammad.

(01:44:27):
That that it has been resolved and you will forever
see his name on that album. And we hope to
reach similar agreements if we can with these other record
labels and executives, and hopefully this will resolve it so
we don't have to enjoy put an injunction and stop
and shut all those labels down. We don't want to

(01:44:49):
do that, and so we we we want to purport
some progress in that area. Okay, Also locally on a
case I think I've talked about here Hawkins versus Prince
Jewe County.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
Right and hold, I thought right there a council, we
got to take a step aside for a few moments.
We come back. I don't want to break the turn.
I thought we'd come back. But also we had the
anniversary of the million man march MILLI and woman march.
But what about the million youth March. I want you
address that as well. And we get back and then
we talk about the court cases you're working on. Family,
you want to join our conversation with our guest is
Attorney Elik Shabbas. He's the founder of the Black Lawyers

(01:45:23):
for Justice. You can reach us an eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks
for starting your week with us. It's twenty minutes after
the top of they out with our guest, attorney Elique Shabbaz.
Attorney Milik is the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice.
He's their lead council. Before we left, though, he was
about to give us some information about the case he's
working on in Prince George's county. But before we do that, though,

(01:45:45):
because last week we talked about the anniversary of the
Million Man March or the Million Woman March, but no
talk about the Million Youth March. I know you were
involved with that with brother Colly, So what's going on
with that, Attorney Melik.

Speaker 4 (01:45:58):
Okay, we'll come right that Million Youth March again. But
I want to thank brothers Common and Pete Rock for
for being honorable and honoring black excellence and standing up
for college Muhammad and resolving that legal action. And I
do want to say that another case that I talked
about on here, which is against Prince George's County Police

(01:46:20):
officer Anthony Brooke. Anthony Brooke, you've read about him, heard
in the news with his with his text messages that
accused him of racism and the Prince George's County Police Department. Well,
I want to say that that matter has been respolved
in mister hawkins favor, has been resolved in mister hawkins

(01:46:42):
favor as his attorney, and mister Hawkins is a is
a happy man forgetting some justice and Officer Brooke was
held accountable. Okay, So I want to come here to
the Million Youth March. Yes, we've honored the Million Man
March very recently. Uh thirty year anniversary of the Million

(01:47:02):
Man March took place around the country and I was
wanted happy to be along with brother Obie, one of
the wrong organizers for that great effort of nineteen ninety
five and one of the children of the Million Men
March convened by doctor Khalied Mohammad, who also struggled for

(01:47:25):
that great march in ninety five. Well, the child of
the million Man March. One of its children, like the
Million Woman March, was the Million Youth March convened by
doctor Khalid Mohammad. I was in nineteen ninety eight Harlem,
New York. I was blessed to be his attorney and

(01:47:47):
his youth organizer, and after several court battles in federal court,
we were victorious over a New York City government won
those rights to march, won the rights to march, and
had convened this infamous rally in Harlem. And due to

(01:48:08):
the acrimony between Rudy Rudy Giuliani, y'all know Jiuliani on
a national level. We know him as a as a
Republican mayor of New York that powerted his strong strengths
against so called crime and his clash with doctor Khaleed

(01:48:29):
Muhammad around this led to the infamous events of the
September fifth, nineteen ninety eight Million Youth March. And it's
forever a great day in my life and Khaleed Muhammad's life.
And I'm happy to report to summarize. I'm happy to
report that in the spirit of continuation of why we

(01:48:54):
mobilize Million Man March, Million Youth March, say that that
your brother Malik Zulu Shabaz, a student of Khalid Muhammad,
and Lewis Farakhan, amongst many others, still organizing and building
and fighting in this liberation struggle, which is the objectives

(01:49:17):
of those marches, that we keep struggling and fighting on
a higher level. So I'm checking in and reporting in, Sir,
and I have a reporter.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
Well good.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
You know, some people didn't understand how the what happened
at the Million Youth March. Can you share that with us?

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
Okay? Well, what happened was again the build up of
tensions here. In nineteen ninety eight, which was probably doctor
Khalid Muhammad's greatest revolutionary year, James Bird was murdered in Jasper, Texas,
and a militant and radical Khaleed Mohammad, appeared as the

(01:49:55):
leader of the New Black Panther Party, the emerging New
Black Panther Party in honor of the legacy of the
notorious Black Panther Party, and so this made national news.
Was this put Collin Muhammad in a very strong political
position in nineteen ninety eight, and at the same time

(01:50:18):
we had moved on the James Bird situation and against
the Klan running the Klan out of Jasper, Texas, and
the New Black Panther Party came to light for that
armed demonstration and Muhammad at the center of it. The
same time, we were pressing for the Million Youth March

(01:50:41):
for September fifth, ninety eight in New York. At this time,
Colin Muhammad had been in limbo in his status with
the Nation of Islam, and as detailed in my book,
The Book of Colin, at this point in time nineteen
ninety eight, Aled Muhammad made a firm decision to advance

(01:51:04):
his leadership as best team knew how and so what
happened was a strong and fearless black man, Colin Mohammad
announced his event and a white man, Rudy Giuliani, who
was felt himself equally as strong as a white man,

(01:51:25):
and he controlled the city. They clashed, and Giuliani all
our negotiations with the city as the attorney. The negotiations collapsed.
We had to go into court. The court ruled in
our favor, but all along the way there was a
war of words between Mohammad and Giuliani, and Giuliani himself

(01:51:46):
admitted he had never heard rhetoric like this since the
nineteen sixties, as he had met his match with Kaled Mohammad,
and Kaled Muhammad rose to be a black hero. Was
already well revered in New York. But I mean he
was a hero by the time this March came, and nobody,

(01:52:07):
I mean, we couldn't go anywhere. He was a hero,
strongest black man in New York and because of everything
I said, considered to be one of the strongest black
men in America at that time. On our way, we
met the honorable Quality Terrey you know him some at
Stokely Carmichael. We met him in New York and sat
down and got his revolutionary blessings, wisdom and guidance, and

(01:52:33):
so up on the March where Giuliani gets his revenge.
Because he had lost in court, Colin Mahon had upbraided
him in the public. He had usurped all of Giuliani's
minions and blacks who had signed on to his payroll,
some of the Muslims, he wrote. Giuliani got his revenge.
He brought out five thousand police officers to police this

(01:52:58):
this Million Years March events, which in itself drew about
twenty thousand, well for every four persons there was a
police officer, There was five thousand cops. There was helicopters,
strimpers on the roofs foragers on the East River to
carry people away, armored vehicles all in the area. And

(01:53:22):
there was a situation that was set for a clash.
And and and it was a great program, revolutionary from
all across the country spoke, hip hop legends spoke. It
was a great program. It was a great day. But
it did clash. At the end of that day. It
did clash. And Colin Muhammad spoke a fiery speech at

(01:53:48):
the end of that march, and he criticized the police strongly,
and the court gave us a four o'clock deadline to end.
And and normally, you know, you have a grace period
or whatever. But at four to one exactly, Giuliani sent
the troops in with the with their shields and helmets,

(01:54:11):
and and they moved in like a battalion in a
in a close, tight battalion in on the Million Youth
March defenses. And it was a big clash. And seventeen
cops went to the hospital, and seven of our men
went to the hospital. And and I'll take a break
right now because I say it a lot, but that's

(01:54:32):
what happened. It was a real live throwdown and then
it was a real live throwdown with the police. Ive
Mohammad was the keynote speaker.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
Yeah, I remember that thirty minutes after the time the
brother Malik, What was what was the beef? What was
the fight about? It was because you guys were running
over time?

Speaker 4 (01:54:49):
Was that? Is? That? Was that? All the fight was about? This?
How there? And according to Giuliani, how dare collet Mohammad
challenged me, how dare him upbraid me? How dare him?
Uh call me the names that he's called going up

(01:55:13):
to this march? And so I'm gonna show him? And
so uh he had he set the stage. Giuliani set
the stage, uh for the confrontation by packing the march
and the sides of it with the police. And uh
it could be fair to say that our revolutionary Muhammad

(01:55:38):
uh was offended by that or even triggered by that,
because uh uh as we got up to the deadline hour,
first of all, I mean, it's it's it's it's an
intricate story. He told me, my my dear eld my
dead leader Colin Muhammad told me that he did not

(01:55:59):
intend to speak. And so when you watch the program,
you see DJ cool Herks, sister Erica Ford by all
of Plumbers Representative, you see any number of greats at
Lambe Brass. They all youth and rappers come into the mic,
and it doesn't even seem like Coylin Muhammad was gonna speak.

(01:56:21):
But what he tells us at the Oberia Dempsey Center,
at the Slave Theater, guest of Altonmatics rest his soul.
What he tells us is that the situation became so
intense and that he anticipated a police attack on the marchers.

(01:56:43):
And I agree with him. I agree with him that
they set the stage for attacks. So he it was
his march, so I guess he was gonna make a statement.
And his statement was a strong statement of intervention and
and warning to the police and condemnation to the police.

(01:57:05):
So you've heard him, some of you may have heard clips,
or you can google it if you want to refresher
the Midi Youth March called Muhammad because he said uh
uh uh, because he's known for his famous words. On
that day and speaking to Juliani, he says, Juliani, he
say uh uh uh you you stacked your police all

(01:57:30):
in the aisles and all in the churches. But but
if you attack us today, by the power of our God,
if you attack us today, we'll we'll take those guns.
This is Muhammad's words. We'll take those guns off of
your hips and use those guns on you. And and
made similar statements about the nightsticks that had been used

(01:57:51):
on Albert uh that had been used on Louima to
sandomize Louima. Well, well, at this speech, Muhammad promised that
those same night sticks would be used in the reverse
direction against the police. And and so brother karled, that's
what I guess, that's what triggered Giuliani also, And it

(01:58:13):
could be fairly said that these two warriors triggered each other.
And so at four one pm there Giuliani let his
troops and helicopters in and and it was a big
fight and and and as I said, uh, it was
a throwdown. And he took the stage by force, but
they didn't take it without a price. Seventeen of them

(01:58:36):
went to the hospitals. Uh. Few of our men, well,
two of our men were arrested.

Speaker 14 (01:58:43):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:58:43):
Muhammed was was Uh it was. It was a hell
of a melee. Muhammad was taken out under emergency circumstances,
and and and it was it was. It wasn't no
smooth end. And I gotta it. Can't lie to you
when they say a million man marched, but it was
not as much as a piece of paper. They'll say,

(01:59:03):
wasn't a piece of paper left on the ground, That
it wasn't a joint smoked on the mall, and that
it was the most peaceful day? Were They're right about it?
But this was different. This was college Muhammad. And it's
probably fitting to his career and his character that his march.

Speaker 1 (01:59:23):
Was this controversy twenty six away from the top of that.
Did he anticipate that things were going to go south?
Did he have contingency plans just in case the cops
were wilded out like they did? I, honestly speaking, when

(01:59:45):
I looked back at it, it.

Speaker 4 (01:59:46):
Was twenty seven sixties, seven years later. How many years
it is when I look back at it, I would
have to say, no, I would have to say Mohammed
was mostly our parading off of his his gut revolutionary
instincts in the decisions and the choices he made that day.

(02:00:09):
I can honestly praise. Remember her name, Sister Biola Plumber.
She came up and to me at some point asking
me what was the plan? What was the plan was it?
Was it fight or flight? She asking me, Well, she hill,
I don't know, I mean just just talking amongst each other.

(02:00:31):
I don't know what the plan was. All I know
is that Mohammed was in charge. And as the march
got closed to four o'clock deadline, and as the tension built,
you could see things changing on the stage. I mean
on the stage. We had honorable doctor Yusaf bin Yakan
on the stage and a host of of of revolutionaries

(02:00:58):
honest and sister Mowena who helped us one of Kame
Toure's AATRP reps in New York. So the whole stage
was packed during the program and everybody was fighting to speak.
But you notice kind of strange that when it got
there all around four o'clock and Muhammad was about to speak,

(02:01:18):
the stage is clear. I don't know what had We
gave no order, but somehow another doctor Ben was gone.
The stage was clear, and by the time Colib Muhammad spoke,
there was no chairs up there and it was myself
and brother TYLERB and one al X and some others
on security post, and I knew that I was in

(02:01:39):
the back trying to manage both ends. I was moderating
the program and I was in the back holding trying
to build the defensive line in the back with the
men we had in the back. I was remember getting
one man, some of the panthers from Dallas. Was there
another whole host of men Patrese Peterson, who I laid

(02:02:00):
offended in a criminal trial from the charge he caught there.
I remember myself in the back yelling at the police
to back up as they kept taking an inch step
forward every minute, or have them paced. They was coming
and at the same time mobilizing a line of men

(02:02:20):
in the back to cover the line in the back,
two lines of men. I think all week at Muster
about thirty about thirty five men, and I tried to
go back doing that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:34):
Bill, Thank you for sharing that those men, the million
youth marches or Attorney Malik Shabazi, he's talking about folks
already want to speak for them, and you two can
join our conversation. Just reach out to us at eight
hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to seventy
six and we'll take your phone calls next and grind
Rising family. Thanks for sticking with us on this Monday morning.
Thank you stawing your week with us. At nineteen minutes

(02:02:55):
away from the top of that with Attorney Melie Schabazi.
He's the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice. Before
go back to it, let me just remind you. Coming
up later this week, you're going to hear from futuristic
researcher brother Sidiki Bacari, also the President General of the
Universal of African People's Organization, Brother Zaki Breuty will be
here and economists doctor Julianne Malvol also join us. So
if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your

(02:03:16):
RADI locked and tight on ten ten WLB or if
you're in the DMV round fourteen fifteen WL. All right
at tournay Malik, how mut you finish your thought? Then
Charles has a question for you from Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (02:03:28):
I like to go to the microphone, but I just
want to say that all that you hear from the
legacy of Sister Queen A Saila Shakur formerly joe Ane
Chessama and Kalid Muhammad is just an inspiration to us
for our ancestors, of the sacrifices they made and the

(02:03:50):
fighting spirit that they have, and we can't let that
fighting spirit die. It has to live in us. I
go to the phone line, all.

Speaker 1 (02:03:58):
Right, Charles in Baltimore's online one, Kevin Grand Rising, Charles,
your own Shabbos.

Speaker 15 (02:04:04):
Yes, greetings, happy meetings, greetings, my brother. All right, all
right now, I gotta say, you know, my arms are
not broken, but it seems like we are powerless and
we have no tools for self defense. I mean, how

(02:04:25):
can we be disrespected, degraded, dehumanized. I mean, we have
been reclassified and obedient as you know, a superficial race.
I mean it's really no.

Speaker 4 (02:04:44):
I can't can't. My mind just can't wrap around how
we're so powerless. I mean, why don't we have a
word like anti semitic and somebody that can back it up.
This this whole thing about us having civil rights, I.

Speaker 14 (02:05:04):
Mean it's a joke.

Speaker 4 (02:05:05):
It hasn't meant anything, this affirmative action. We don't have
any lawyers to defend us, but all they have to
do is say the magic word, you know, oh, anti semitic,
and everybody comes to their defense. They start, presidents start
running to their defense. You got governments that have said,
oh dare you you know we're gonna hold you accountable.

(02:05:28):
Why isn't that happening when people disrespect us and do
what they do to us, and we are the original people,
were the first people. I mean, where are our lawyers?
Where's our defenses?

Speaker 3 (02:05:43):
The people are respond thanksobs.

Speaker 4 (02:05:47):
It's a great it's a great statement you've made, my brother.
But I don't want you to uh to let I
would say pessimism. I don't want pessimism to overtake you,
even though what you have said bears great truth. I
think what we must understand here is black men and
at this point in time, that that we have to

(02:06:10):
be conscious of where we are in time and in history,
and to know what our our goal and duty is
within this span of time called our lifetime, so that
you and I can make our contribution in this time
and we can, we can, we can ease that pessimism. I,

(02:06:30):
like you, my brother, want the ability to respond to
to the white man and white racism and imperialism and
zionism in just the terms that they've given it to us.
I like you, my brother, hurt and ache when I
when I when I read in history how the British
went up in the or what they call Nigeria, up

(02:06:51):
the rivers and shot out and shot down and burned
up kings and villages of our leaders from from uh
Nigeria took to to Zimbabwe and and everywhere else in between.
And I, like you, sir, I want I want artillery
and aircraft and aircraft carriers and and everything the enemy has.

(02:07:12):
I want that in the black possession and in my
black superpower, so I can answer them and we can
answer them the way they have they have done us,
and we can have that kind of power. However, we're
in a certain stage of history and and and where
we have hopefully understood many painful lessons of history. Failure

(02:07:33):
to to to to modernize, failure to militarize, failure to industrialize,
failure to technic, to advance technology. I mean, to a
certain extent, your anks represents the angst of our entire race.
But to summarize, my dear brother, what I want to
say is that you have you have to and I

(02:07:54):
have to, and we have to must make our mark
in advancement. And this limit, it's it's space and time
we have to begin the reversal of this. Now we
do have some bright spots. We may not have as
many black lawyers out there that we need. We may
not have Attorney Maddox no more, we may not have
Attorney Johnny Cochran anymore. But we do have some good

(02:08:19):
black lawyers on the singe. Some are fighting. I may
not mean much to many, but Attorney my league Zulusha
Baz thirty twenty some years after the Million Youth March,
or thirty years after the million Man March, you can
say that I'm on my post and I can tell
you I know other black lawyers that are respected around me.

(02:08:41):
Attorney Donald Temple, Attorney Greg Latimer, Attorney Jeanette Henry, my
partner's hearing. Black lawyers for Justice, Well, you may not
read about us, but they are helping out people in
need every day. And so the great son of obi
Egboona of the Daddy, well you just heard his son
Obik Booner here on the line of carrying out the

(02:09:03):
revolutionary work of his father's. So I don't want to say,
my dear brother, is that uh is that I'm here
for you as a brother, my league, resolution as I
feel and understand your pain. But if you want to,
if you want a constructive way to try to break
the cycle of the things you complained about, then I'll

(02:09:23):
give out my number and you just join in with us, brother,
so we can try to transfer us some pain into
some power from black power.

Speaker 1 (02:09:33):
Go the way from the top of what he's saying though,
is kind of correct, But does it take on a
new significance now because the political state of the country's
in right now.

Speaker 4 (02:09:43):
It takes on a strong political state because right now
where we're in, we're in a situation where well and
and and intensified attack from the right wing has intensified.
And as fascism has intensified, and the expected result of

(02:10:06):
Donald Trump and Maga's rise is supposed to be a
corollary rise for black empowerment, for self determination, for black
people being able to defend themselves against against slander, against ice,
against whatever's going on. We're supposed to be rising also,

(02:10:28):
So it does his statement does take significance and and
and some black people can be frustrated everybody's making their
move on the planet. For all they want thesionists, the American,
the Chinese, or the North Korean everybody's making their move, uh,

(02:10:48):
and and black people in America want to know what
our move is. And and we see some moves in
Africa that are positive, certainly with the shy El States.
But black people in African people are we human like
anybody else. We we we have worries and fears that
we'll never get out this condition. And we have worries

(02:11:08):
and fears that everybody is going to continue to pass
us by. I understand, I understand the questions.

Speaker 3 (02:11:16):
And the question is, so what do we do? What's
y'all move?

Speaker 4 (02:11:21):
Man? What I'm what I move is to is to
continue to struggle and to organize and to I guess,
in the in the general sense, I would say come together,
but the specifics, in the specific sense, everybody has to
meet their revolutionary obligation. Uh. I can't. I can't worry

(02:11:47):
about the hugeness of the elephant of the problem in
my day. My day is so full of responding for
calls to help black people. My day is so full
of of other black people needing my help that I
don't have time to lament on the hugeness of the problem,

(02:12:09):
because my day is filled with service towards my people,
my weake is filled, my mother is filled. You know. Now,
I want us to move in a stronger way. I
want us to unite, but I don't know if we're
gonna get over all that honestly. I mean, I have
to be honest. Now, the third light, for example, I
mean this might sound personally but it is. But it

(02:12:33):
personally is a part of this. Okay. So it's thirty
years after the Million Man March. Now now I'm here
in my city and I'm wanted the key organizers of
this in my city and around the country. I'm one
of the co conveners of the Million Man March Anniversary,

(02:12:53):
the Millions More Movement of two thousand and five with
Minister Lewis Farkhave, And I'm doing this justice work some
of the keep legal work and political work always have
around this country. I ain't getting not one call from
nobody in my city or area or nothing, not one call,

(02:13:18):
not one invite to nothing. And so what I'm saying
is that as a people, we not gonna get out
of this condition, and as leadership, We're not going to
get out of this condition until we get over some
of the the mental hang ups and the personal hang

(02:13:39):
ups and and to be honest, honest, to get over
the competition, rivalries, jealousy and envies that we have amongst
one another. Now, now I will say that if I
have to digress at all, I will say that I
would lamit, that I still would see that that the
key thing that that kwame wanting, and that the meal

(02:14:00):
in mad March wanting, and that all our leaders wont
it was a was better unity amongst each other. I
still don't see that easy. And I don't see Black
leaders willing to work with each other and to communicate
with each other and organize with each other. No way
near the way that they could to advance all levels

(02:14:23):
of our struggle, you know. And I can't lie to
you that I got some magic solution on this phone line,
but I say that my line is open. But there's
much more progress we could make to fulfill every complaint
that we have, if our people would be strong and
would work better together.

Speaker 3 (02:14:43):
How much of they ask you this?

Speaker 1 (02:14:44):
The Council is that deliberate to keep us fighting against
each other, keep it to each other's throat. So we
take our eye after the real problem, which is the oppressure.
Is it as simple as that we have some people
deliberately doing that and keeping us divided.

Speaker 4 (02:15:03):
Tell no lies and claim no easy victories. As I
was taught by either France or No or a mill
coocker ball. I can't recall right now, but I know
that that's the truth. Can't tell no lies and blame
this on the white man and say that that there's
some hid in hand that's keeping us divided, and and

(02:15:24):
that the white man is keeping us against each other.
I wouldn't want to say. I could say that it
was the white man's mind that has been put in us,
that that we're like on a plantation, and we are
out here competing to see who's gonna be the biggest
Negro on the plantation, who's gonna get the most likes
on the plantation?

Speaker 6 (02:15:44):
Who?

Speaker 4 (02:15:45):
Who? I mean, that's so trivial and so trite, but
that is part of our problem. But then you could
go back three four five hundred years and and you couldn't.
You couldn't necessarily say that it was the white man's
mind that that made us, that had some of us
collaborate with an invader and a slave trader. Well, the

(02:16:07):
white man wasn't there yet, and so we must take
some self responsibility, is what I'm saying that and recognize
that a key part of our problem is us ourselves,
our attitude towards ourselves as a people, our love, degree
of love and respect for ourselves. That has made us

(02:16:29):
fight ourselves more than fighting for ourselves shoes. I mean
we could, we could. We need to work on that.
So to that extent, I would just say that one
thing that I recommend. All I can do is make
a recommendation. I don't have a magic prescription, but my
recommendation is for it's for better communications, better communications and

(02:16:54):
conversations with each other, that instead of assuming things about
each other, harboring ideas about each other, it's best to
break bread and talk with each other. I ran and
the brother Obie on the yard. I'm gonna be with
brother Obie on Tuesday. But brother in Obie and I
guess something went on online. It was it was small,

(02:17:17):
it was lightweight, but we as soon as we talked
about it, as soon as we had a conversation about it,
we really knew how much we respected each other. And
that's why I'm gonna see him on Tuesday. But it
was done through communication. It's gone through talking. So so
all I can say is that as a people, and

(02:17:37):
that works with the family, that works with relationships, that
works with your children, conversation and honest communication amongst those
who really believe in this struggle will help us make
prop make some progress.

Speaker 1 (02:17:52):
I totally agree for a way from the top step.
Aside for some of my stations identifying themselves down the
line were come back. I've got a bunch of folks
want to talk to you a tena min week. Family,
you want to join this discussion, reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight is
seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next and
Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week with
us this final week of October twenty twenty five. I

(02:18:13):
guess is the founder of the Black Lawys for Justice,
Attorney Malague Shabaz. We've got some folks who want to
speak with Attorney Malik Shabaz. Let's go on line four
for Mike's calling from DC. Grand riseing Mike, he're on
with Attorney Malik. It's Mike there on line four.

Speaker 4 (02:18:27):
Yes, good morning, Grand Rise and mister Dolson, mister Kevin
and your guest spot on. Thank you for Charles respons
Let's spot on. I was gonna say thank you very
much for that was really good.

Speaker 9 (02:18:37):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (02:18:39):
You have a question or comment from attorneyment Shabbaz oh.
I think he must have hung up. All right, let's
go to I didn't hear what he said. Let's go
to line two. Elder Jabu is calling from Indianapolis, Grand Rising,
Elder Ajabu with Attorney Malik Shabaz.

Speaker 7 (02:18:53):
Grillion Rising, and thank you for the opportunity to speak.
And I just wanted to let Attorney Shabbas knows that
the rendition and the history that you gave of the
million youth in March was so inspiring, I mean, just rich.
And I wanted to actually ask you about some international

(02:19:19):
things going on. But there's one thing that I wanted
to also share about the times in which we live.
Now Here in America, there is a tyrannical government that
is ruling America right now. Any time that legal citizens

(02:19:40):
are arrested illegally, then that is an act of tyranny.
And the direct declaration of independence gives citizens the right,
if not the duty, to change that government by any

(02:20:01):
means necessary. And so the Black Panther movement is pushing
the governor of Chicago, our brother Johnson, and our sister
out in California, Karen Bass, to file something in court
to get a ruling against the government for being tyrannical,

(02:20:27):
so that now the legal use of force reverts from
the government into the hands of the people, and then
we can respond in the way necessary to respond in
order to stop that tyranny from advancing itself. I know
that we look at the local situation or the country situation,

(02:20:55):
and Brother Charles asked a very salient question which I
want you to expound on, Brother Malik.

Speaker 16 (02:21:03):
And that is.

Speaker 8 (02:21:05):
The move that.

Speaker 7 (02:21:09):
Was made recently here, I think yesterday in Mali, to
whereas Duck has taken the visa restrictions off of Mali
because Mali says that if you do that to us,
we're going to do that to you. And if you
could talk about how we are nurturing that relationship so

(02:21:32):
that type of attitude not only exists within the hell,
but we hook up in it exists right here to
whereas that we can respond in a way that if
people respond when somebody says something that somebody says this antasimitic,

(02:21:56):
that we can say, look, you can't talk about us
like that. We will respond and if you would also
give an update on the situation in Cameroons, we would
appreciate that so much.

Speaker 4 (02:22:10):
She appreciates all right, thank you, Elder, Yes, sir, thank
you brother elder Elder at Jabu one of the Pan
African representative of the Black Panther movement. And you know
also we've come off of the October fifteenth is also

(02:22:32):
the anniversary of the Panther Party founding and I think
ultimately the Panther, the Panther itself is going to be
a significant factor as we go forward. I was just
saying a word, bro, the Elder at Jabu, that I

(02:22:53):
do come in Mayor Brandon Johnson of Chicago. Mayor Johnson
of Chicago was uh in him standing up to to
Donald Trump UH and and his his military occupation of
the community is UH that it's admirable and I do
give him UH thumbs up for that. He has not

(02:23:18):
been able to stop ice. He has not been able
to stop ice. UH. And I and the honesty speaking,
I don't think that the federal courts or the Supreme
Court is going to stop the the immigration UH. The
militarization of the immigrations forces that that are currently going
rogue in Chicago and other areas. Yes, they're meeting resistance

(02:23:41):
on the streets. But and and in some instances, the
National Guard has been checked and its authority to arrest
people in different cities. But uh, I don't see the
Supreme Court uh or the federal courts effectively checking ice
in this hour. And uh uh that's just a reality

(02:24:02):
we got to deal with. You have aggressive president that's
operating by fiat, operating by decree or executive order, and
he's using that power to to his ability. Uh. Shifting
to the international scene, because it's all tied together. As
you mentioned about Molly, if you if you right now

(02:24:23):
you got the United States, is UH is preparing to
invade Venezuela. I mean this is this is not no,
this is not no bluff. This is not a uh
this is not a fake out game. They are going
to My my prediction is unfortunately, but I have to
deal with reality is that uh uh and it's tied

(02:24:44):
to this immigration question that that they are going to
go in and they are going to uh use some
kind of special operations to arrest uh. President Maduro, Nicholas Maduro,
it was likely to be arrested by American military forces,

(02:25:06):
claiming that because they got a fifty million dollar bounty
out on him, they got fifty million dollar reward out
on his head. So just if you're looking at what's
happening around the world, they're going to go in like
on Manuel Noriega, and they're going to go in on
Maduro and arrest him on the allegations of drug tracking.

(02:25:30):
And they're already just extra judicially murdering people out in
the Caribbean without trial or eviden it's just just outright
murdered them. So I foresee that happening soon. As soon
as there's some movement on Ukraine, I predict that they're
going to try to go in and grab Maduro and
bring him back to America, Okay, And so so I

(02:25:53):
will say that in terms of Africa and Mally, you
mentioned that Molly did a quid pro quote on the
United States wave because United States said that if you
come here, you got to put up as a fire
dollars to come to America if you're from that country. Uh.

(02:26:14):
And then Molly said, okay, well you got to put
up ten thousand to come over here. And I know,
I think we all like that because one of the
main things we like Elder about the Sahl, about all
of the Sahel States. We're talking about Ibraheim, Trejore, Bekuina

(02:26:34):
Fosso obdual rockmand To Johnny and Gota, Uh, President Assimi
Goiter of Bekina, Fossil, uh Uh and and Molly. Is
what we're saying is that they stand up and they
they purport to represent Uh equality and strength and and

(02:26:59):
and now what you do to us, We're going to
do to you over here in the Sahale States. That's
why we like them. I think what we have to
do right now is beyond guard. We have to be
on guard to make sure that that these nations in
Africa that we love Mali, uh and Thekina, Fossil in

(02:27:22):
the and Niger, that these three great nations that this
that this liberation and revolution is sustained. That that's the
main thing we look at right now, that that revolution
is sustained, and that what it represents for Pan africanness,
for all African people is sustained, and that the hope

(02:27:43):
for a Pan African remedy to our problem and the
part of it that those states play in it, that
that sustained and our hopes are not dashed. Uh. That's
one thing we got to be concerned about and a
part of to make sure that the people's hopes are

(02:28:03):
not dashed. Because on this radio line, there's any number
of persons whose hopes have been taken up about any
number of things, of promises in our community, any number
of marches ours included, any number of organizations. Their hopes
are up. And then when the people's hopes are steinmied

(02:28:28):
or they don't see the results, they can get frustrated.
So we want to let everybody know that's listening that
we are, that we are. We are in tight with
the government and our brothers of Bekina Fosso, the great
Ambassador Kula Ballet and the others here who are working
to unite broken nowadays around the America and to build

(02:28:54):
up where we hope to be a promise land for
black people, be Kina Fossil. They were all into that
process and we support the King of Fossil and their independence.
We're all in with them. But we want to also
let everybody know that we're in it for the Pan
African interest. And we're also saying that we will give

(02:29:17):
Africa everything. We will give Africa our lives, and we
also say that Africa stands up for us, that our
brothers in Africa the name of Pan Africanism, that they
stand up for us, our rights to return, our rights
for to live in Africa, our rights for citizenship, our

(02:29:41):
right to do business in Africa, our right to to Africa.
We got that right too. Here. We didn't ask to
be over here. We got over here. We were we were.
Some deal was made to get us over here. We're
not responsible for it. So I just summarize that to
say that every we are steadily working on the Pan

(02:30:02):
African front, but we're working for it on behalf of
Africans in the West. And we believe in a mutual
relationship of mutual respect and mutual progress, and so we're
working on some things. We want to hear President Ibraheim
Trejore live. We want to hear him live. We're tired

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of AI, artificial intelligence and memes telling us what he's saying,
and we see his AI. I mean, so we got
some serious Pan African work to do, and I want
to elaborate any further off but let it be known
that we're on the case and we expect some developments soon.
But we're working strong behind the scenes. And thank you
for your work, brother Elder.

Speaker 1 (02:30:45):
All right, thirteen half, that's fort on the Colonna. Go
back to Venezuela. As you mentioned, the US has put
a fifty million dollar bounty on Venezuelan's president's has Maduro.
And obviously it's not about drugs. It's not about the
fence that he says it's there. They're going after Venezuela.
It's not even about their oil because the Maduro offered

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gave it. He says, I'll give it the oil. He
offered that, and they rejected. It's about regime change. Why
does he want to change the regime in Venezuela. Do
you have any idea?

Speaker 4 (02:31:18):
Leak, I got some idea, I got Well, I think
we all will. We students of history, we're familiar with
the Monroe doctrine and President Monroe of eighteen twenty three
or started the declaration of the Western Hemisphere was to

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be policed by America. As America got stronger around nineteen
oh four, then you had Teddy Roosevelt. He came out
with the Roosevelt Corollary, which pertains the Caribbean and Latin
America and Roosevelt Corollary, which the corollary is a policy.

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And what it stated was that essentially that we are
the policemen and the judge of the affairs of Latin
America and the Caribbeans, and we will use military force
at our just at our wheel or discretion. And that's
been the US policy. And so we've seen it carried

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out against Maury's bishop in Grenada. UH. We've seen it
carried out obviously against Cuba over the years, or tried
to be carried out against Cuba over the over the years.
Or we see in the US invasion Dominican Republic. We
saw the UH the countries and and and ran Reagan

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and the intervention in Nicaragua and UH, and we saw
them go in. We saw Poland power with the b
one with the big bombas and go in. And they
went in and got Noriega and they just locked Noriega up.
So what we're saying is that America views Venezuela as
its property of his backyard. And and he's a he's

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a disciple of Hugo Chavez. UH is Maduro Is. So
we could say, you could theorize that because he's a
socialist and he's a disciple of Chavez, that that's why
they're going to get him. You could say that, Okay,
well he offered up I just that he offered up

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some of his oil and his minerals tom and his
rare earth minerals to America. That he's offered up some
of that, And well, they still got the warships on
them and the troops ready to go in, and and
so obviously they're not going to be satisfied until they
get him. Like Kadaffi, See, Kadafi was our brother, our

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most honorable president, Muamar Kadaffi.

Speaker 9 (02:33:53):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:33:53):
At one point he thought he could negotiate with with
the West, and and he had. They've came into the embassy's,
he had Condoleeza Rice and he was shaking hands with Obama.
I'm not knocking Kadashki. I love Kadassi, but I'm just
saying he tried to make a move to cut a
deal with the West, and I guess his terms was
nowhere good enough. The only term they wanted was complete

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control of the country. So that's what they want. Complete
control of the country, complete control of the count council.
And they claim they got evidence that he is a
drug trafficker and they have indicted him in America and
got a fifty million dollar bounty on his head.

Speaker 1 (02:34:32):
All right, hold, I thought, right then we got to
step aside real quick. I'll let you finish your thought
and get back. We got a bunch of folks want
to talk to you at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your
phone calls next and grand rising family, and thanks for
rolling with us on this Monday morning. Thanks for starting
your week with us. At twenty minutes after the top
that with I guess the turning Malik Shabasha covering a
lot of areas this morning with a tournament wik sobody,

(02:34:53):
how let you finish your thought? Then we got some
folks who want to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (02:34:57):
Well, we go straight to the phone lines. Let's go
straight to the phone line.

Speaker 1 (02:35:00):
All right, Line one, Money Mike's calling and I think
it's in Baltimore, Money Bike, your thoughts or your question
for Attorney Malik Shabbaz.

Speaker 4 (02:35:08):
Grand Rosen called Gran ros and mister Shabbaz, how you
doing Hello.

Speaker 3 (02:35:13):
Can you hear money?

Speaker 6 (02:35:15):
Mike?

Speaker 4 (02:35:15):
Oh? Sorry, grand Rise And it's a pleasure to be
on with you this morning. Same thing, sir, Same things. Look,
I want to first address Charles's question, and my suggestion
is to him and every other African American male and female,
is to do what uh Minister Farkoon talked about at
the million man March. Go home and first get your

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family on board. You know you can't. We can't get
that together, then we can't do anything. And I'm talking
about speak to the young people. I'm gonna give you
some suggestions. When you have a family reunion, speak and
address your family, tell them what's going on. Tell them
what radio station to listen to. Not everybody has a
wl or w l B in their town. Some people

(02:36:02):
aren't getting this information. We think it's it's it's here
because we get it every day, we don't really appreciate it.
The next thing, uh, misters Shabbaz, is that you talked
about Cardiffe. Cadiffe got murdered, murdered, assassinated because he wanted
Africa to unite and form one currency. You want to

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talk about Venezuela. Why why the Americans are going to
invave Venezuela. It's you said it.

Speaker 5 (02:36:29):
They're going after the rare earth metals and going after
all And the main thing for us is we can't
understand the power of the dollar. President Trump is in
China and in Asia trying to secure some some some
trade deals, and it's all about money, and we can't
seem to get that simple point through our heads. If

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we would control our own money. You talk about designers,
you talk about the Jews, they slander or they say
you won't talk about Jewish people, you would the Holocaust
because they're you, because they control the money. It's all
about money people. So if we can't get that through
our heads that we have to save, we have to invest,
we're doomed. And sometimes you got to hit people with

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it hurts, and you gotta hurt their feelings. But I'm
telling you, we won't get anywhere if we don't learn
how to unite and control our own economics. And that
starts with the family.

Speaker 3 (02:37:27):
All right, Thanks, Thanks Mike.

Speaker 4 (02:37:30):
Okay, Mike, I mean there's some truth in what you're saying.
There's a lot of truth in what you're saying. We
must we must unite the family, and we must we
must control our economy and politics without economics, it's symbol
with our sustance. We get what you're saying and and
we we appreciate you, brother.

Speaker 3 (02:37:52):
All right?

Speaker 1 (02:37:52):
Twenty three after the top down. Jean's in Pikesville, Maryland.
He's online. Five Jane grand rise you alway to turning
lash your boys?

Speaker 4 (02:38:00):
Yeah, grand robbing everybody.

Speaker 17 (02:38:02):
Okay, So my question the centate around OPEC and bricks
and also what Mike said in reference to when we
get our families together that we should come to a
common agreement.

Speaker 6 (02:38:14):
Is that agreement going to.

Speaker 18 (02:38:15):
Be assimilation or separation? We know when we get together
with our family, sir, what what position are we taking?

Speaker 4 (02:38:29):
I love I love you, your your innocence and your statement.
You know. But I do want to say this, my brother,
if in twenty twenty five, if our people still trying
to figure out what position they gonna they gonna, if
they were still trying to figure out, and then then
that I can say of our leadership that, okay, well,

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then I want to say that our leadership has failed
to educate, yes, maybe advocate the correct position. And then
I will and then all of them say, our people
as a whole we got to wake up. There's only
one position.

Speaker 6 (02:39:05):
When when Martin Luther King was assassinated, Roy ENnies and
Core moved in the direction of of integration and assimilation,
and and we've been moving in that past every since.

Speaker 4 (02:39:22):
Well we had well, we tried to move in that path.
Our position, we ain't. We don't have no other position
to take, brother because uh, the Magna and Donald Trump
and white people in America are telling you that there's
going to be severe curves on your integration. Your integration
is your integration. You're not You're you're not You're not accepted.

(02:39:44):
I mean, the handwriting has been on the wall and
it's on the wall in our face right now that
we're not accepted. We're not accepted here uh in in society.
And they're therefore self determination and the position of Malcolm
X and Marcus Garvey and and at his best Lewis

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Fara Khan, the almost silence Mohammad Colin Muhammad, those are
all those are the best positions. The only position to
be taken in this hour is for self determination, for
doing for self and in whatever form we can get it.
The highest form is in the complete liberation of Africa.
Self determination here is otherwise called black power. I mean,

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can you say black power? You want to know what
position to adopt? Throw your fists up right now in
this radio and say black power and live it out
every day because that's all you got left.

Speaker 1 (02:40:43):
But let me join me here at twenty six at
the top of the council. Let me ask you this
because you know, we had this discussion earlier with Black
Economics Dot Org, doctor Brooks Ramison callings from Hawaii and
they were talking about leadership. There's a third of black leadership.
Is this what we need we look looking for? You
mentioned you can mention Malcolm Marcus, Malcolm that the whole

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nine yards were there, even Jesse's an extented minister fire
Cohon that the whole But it seems like there's nobody
on the scene right now. Is this what you've seen?
Just is it just maybe something something that's illusionary or
temporary or are we still looking for that savior to
come and save us?

Speaker 4 (02:41:24):
Okay, Brolly boy, you come into some heavy questions. So
we want to say that we have to admit that
there is a leadership crisis. He is a leadership crisis,
and we're normally used to a minister Lewis far Khan
being robust and on the scene, but he's obviously in
his nineties and he hasn't been seen in public in

(02:41:47):
a while. We're normally used to seeing a strong Vislam
under his leadership in any number of ways. We were
normally used to on a civil rights level, seeing Jesse
Jackson very active and uh and uh, I guess Sharpton's
still around, but I'll leave him to the side for

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a minute. So I just say to the central part
of your question, where is the where is the black leadership?
Or they could we could say that there is a
black leadership vacuum, there is a black leadership desert in
this hour. But uh, I wouldn't spread too much, is

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what I'm saying, because unless there's a vacuum, unless there's
a boy, there's no chance for something new to come about.
And sometimes what you're looking for is right in your
face all the time. And so we have to look
within ourselves, sisters and brothers. We don't need to we're
not looking. We're not really looking for a new Jesus

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in this hour or a new type of Savior in
this hour. Uh. Beyond that power that is within ourselves
and there's going to be something new that comes about.
These situations shall produce new leadership, and uh I wouldn't

(02:43:15):
worry too much about having some strong leadership. Let me
push you another many There are many out there and
and you got one of them on this phone line.

Speaker 1 (02:43:27):
Yeah yeah, let me let me throw this at you.
At Toornament League. Some people say that the United States
is going down. You know, they said Rome fell, Greace
fell fell as well. So this is what's going to happen.
We're on the precipice or we're all sliding down that
hill towards that. Is there a pathway? Is there a
way for Black America or black people globally to to

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to to survive whatever's going to happen, because some people
think it's inevitable. You know, this is it. This is
you know people. Some people are cheering it on because
they said what they did to us answers as they
deserve whatever they get. And some people are having, you know,
second thoughts that they voted for Donald Trump and you
know it was out of the question that it's just
too late. So my question to you is what do

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we do as black people? What what what's our role,
What's what? What hand do we play?

Speaker 4 (02:44:19):
Once again, I think the answers have been have been
given to us.

Speaker 7 (02:44:24):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:44:24):
If I'm a black man in Washington, d C. And
I am uh, I think we must. I hate to
use things that have been repeated so much, but when
they say think globally and act locally, that's that's what
reminds That's what comes to my mind. I mean, right now,

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there's so much that we can be doing that we
don't need instructions for that relate to larger events. I mean,
there's no black man on this line, for example, right
here Washington, DC. I mean, now, I'll be embarrassed if
I'm a black man and the only way crime can

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be reduced in my city is if Donald Trump or
the white man sends the US military into my neighborhood
or into my city. That's the only way I can
see the murder ray drop. I mean, I mean, I'm
gonna be offended by that. I'm not going to be

(02:45:29):
acting like I don't have anything to do. I mean
that means I got a mission to do. If I
don't have an organization to get with, if I don't
have a messiah to follow, I do got some black
men and some activity in crime reduction and raising up
black youth and black people in my area, in my neighborhood. See,

(02:45:53):
so I can't say that any black man listening to
this conversation who knows of another black man, Black thank you,
Black area of Black project or Black territory that they
shouldn't be making a contribution to that would get me,
That would keep me busy already if I couldn't find
a my league Zulu or or some other leader or

(02:46:16):
organization to get with too. I know for a fact
that I know where there are some black youth, there
are some black women are in need. So what I'm
saying is we got an enormous social problem out here
that they stick the US military on. That's when you're
seeing what we're talking about Brandon Johnson and mury L.
Bowser and they trying to fight off Donald Trump, and

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then were they doing our job as black men? They
are getting involved in a problem that we as men
talking on this Million Man March anniversary of men have
long have solved, should have solved. We should have solved
this as men already and rendered the question moot. I mean,
nobody can come on here talking about is the anniversary

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of the Million Man March, Million Man March thirty year anniversary.
I mean, most of those objectives have not been fulfilled.
We were giving instructions to go back to our community
and to organize and to stop many of the wicked

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acts that we have been committing against each other. Have
we done that? Have we have black men driven down
the murder rate in our community? Have we have we mentored?
Have we raised up an army out here? Do black
women feel safer? I mean, we got man. You shouldn't
even be asking. Nobody should be frustrated from lack of work.

(02:47:45):
We should be frustrated from overwork. We're just working too
hard in the black community because there are too many
immediate social objectives. I mean, I'm still walking out here
every day. I see when I go into a local
store on it's either my Ethiopian brother or sister, or
it's Asiatic person from Asia running the store, or white people.

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They're not Black people from America. We're not serving food
in our community. I mean, if you in the real estate,
you should be all the way busy trying to combat gentrification.
If you're in the restaurant business or the economic business.
You should be triple time over time trying to get
back to black market. Hell, I'm fighting all of these

(02:48:33):
problems here and dealing politically here, but I'm on a
personal mission to take back the civil detrt market in
my community, the damn personal injury market. I'm looking around
here and Morgan and Morgan and Top Dog Law and
a bunch of outsiders have come in and taken billions

(02:48:54):
just in my area. Billions and injury claims suck the
blood right out of our community. So my schedule is
full because just part of mind jen is taking the
injury market back from outsiders and enemies that don't give
a damn about us. So I'm just capitalized. That to
say is that no one has the right to despair.

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No one has a right to despair. With as much
obvious work as it is to be done, as leadership,
we're supposed to weave it together and make it all
make sense. With some of our elders passing, we have challenges.
We could do better, but we can do better. With
the next generation. We can do better. We hope to

(02:49:41):
do better. We hope to do better with this generation
I'm in and the generation coming after. But no one
here can say that they don't have a social work
to do, an economic work to do in our community.
As we are under attack right now, there's lots of
work to do.

Speaker 1 (02:50:00):
Tenty five away from the tap of the out, let's
see twenty four. So let's take the break and we
come back. We got a bunch of folks want to
talk to you, Attorneyment League family. You two can join
our conversation. Reach out to us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls next and grind Rising family, thanks for
rolling with us on this Monday morning. Thanks for staring
your week with us. And this is the final week

(02:50:20):
of October twenty twenty five. I guess it is the
founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice Attorneyment League. Shabaz
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six.
Carls reaching out to us from Palm Beach County in Florida.
He's online one, Carl grand Rising your question for attorneyman
League Grand Rising Family.

Speaker 16 (02:50:39):
Malik, I kind of looked at things a little bit
differently when I think about the responsibility for us to
find a responsible leader, and all of the information that
I've been receiving, like from the Minister and the others,
is that we're supposed to develop the God within ourselves
and with us understanding that we've been miseducated, and even

(02:51:00):
with people like doctor Fox he have the addicted to
White to show us the process. We have a brother
that from the FBI who came to tell us about
the count in tail pro and the different things that
are the different tenets of improvement that we are very
we don't invest in. And that's the problem that I see.
We don't invest in education, and we don't invest in

(02:51:24):
a new education, not the same education, not giving our
scholarships like what we've been doing, but investing in getting
it proper information to us, because I think many times
the people that are leading us, supposedly leading us, they
never went into an introspection of themselves to see that
they was a knowledge but truly about the things that
impede our progress. And I was just wondering, how did

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you factor in the miseducation of the Negro, the count
in tail pro and looking at the fact that we
are all gods, children are the most high God, and
we need to look at the God within for that
kind of superior guidance. And I was just wondering what
you think of that.

Speaker 4 (02:52:01):
Yes, sir, I appreciate the intention and the science of
your question. Of course, were all taught to look for
the leader within, or to look for the God within ourselves.
That's very true. That's what the black man must do
right now, in order to be a man. So I

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do agree that there's divine power or within every person
that is listening to me in this hour and specifically
speaking to the black man. But I do want to
say that the white man have a leader. The white man,
he may be doing whatever he's doing in his spear

(02:52:46):
or his field or economics business, but they clearly got
a leader. They got an eighty year old leader named
Donald Trump, and that's who they have put their national
aspirations behind. To give effect to what their objectives for,

(02:53:07):
they give it in the form of a leader in
this case, and form of a government, a powerful government,
the United States Government of America. So we'll say that
it's unquestionable that we do need leadership that we can
get behind, and hopefully we'll stop being hard headed and

(02:53:27):
get behind leadership that has been given to us because
we really, my brother, can't say that we've been miseducated.
I mean we've had doctor Francis cresh Welson. We have
had doctor James Small, Professor James Small. We've had doctor
Yusef ben Yakunin. We've had doctor Khalib Mohammad honorible silence,

(02:53:47):
Mohammed Honoba Lewis Farakhan. I mean, this show right here
is just spreading out reams of education. I mean this
is all. This is a university in and of itself. Now,
our people are are not devoid for a lack of knowledge.
They have the knowledge, but they have they have. We

(02:54:10):
have not achieved the goal yet. So what I want
to say, my dear brother, is stay tuned. I guess
I should give out a number at a certain point.
I'm gonna start giving out a number at a certain point.
But we have to have leadership, brother, We have to
have leadership. But it's true that our leaders should come together,

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and the white man has maga they have. That's a coalition.
They have come together. But they do have a strong man,
a leader that carries out their objectives and from their perspective,
he's serving them well. Whether we like him or not.
We don't like him, so we cannot say that he's
not taking care of some business whether we like it

(02:54:55):
or not. So so hopefully we'll get wise up and
we want you know, we've had we had plenty of
leadership in front of us that we didn't obey. We
didn't obey Lewis for our time. We didn't obey the
Honorable Elijah Muhammed. We didn't obey Minister Malcolm X. We
didn't obey Minister I mean, we didn't obey the Honorable
Marcus Mozaiah GARDI. We left Huey Newton hanging out there

(02:55:17):
to a great extent, we left Kawame Tiray hanging out there.
So I believe that from the from divine guidance, we'll
be giving a few more chances. And uh and we
can't waste those chances. And uh so, let me give
a couple of numbers our brother for those for legal reasons.
If a person is seeking me for legal reasons, you

(02:55:40):
can text two for zero fixate eight zero seven three
five two four oh six eight eight zero seven three five. Again,
we have been, we have been taking on a certain
amount of false arrest and police cases dealing with the
police at least crack down in Washington, d C. And

(02:56:02):
in other areas. That's two four oh six eight eight
zero seven three five. If you have those reports and videos,
will take them. And as I said before at two
four oh six eight eight oh seven three five, that's
also the personal injury line of Attorning Malik. I make

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no mistake about it. As a businessman, I'm trying to
take our share of this personal injury market back. So
it comes back to the liberation struggle. Two four oh
six eight eight oh seven three five for legal causes
including personal injuries and police cases. But now if you

(02:56:44):
are a brother like the gentleman who's here and other activists,
and you just want to reach us because you want hope,
political hope, and you want support and you don't want
to feel like it's over for black folks, you can
text two O two three six nine nine nine eight

(02:57:07):
six three six nine nine nine eighty six and many
of the great organizers that you hear on this station,
brother Elder Ajabu, brother Obi ek boone, the Mississippi candidate,
Sister Priscilla Till if you want to help black people
and text two O two three six nine nine, nine

(02:57:31):
eighty six. And whether it's Bekina, Fossil, Mississippi, or somewhere else,
we'll get you plugged in so you can make your
contribution towards our rise.

Speaker 1 (02:57:43):
Right turn away from that, Brother Williams calling you from Memphis, Tennessee.
Attorney Shabaz wants to speak with their grand rising brother
William The attorney Malik Shabbaz.

Speaker 9 (02:57:54):
Frand rising a Malakum family.

Speaker 14 (02:57:57):
Thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 19 (02:57:59):
I have a question and a comment. I am very
fool and I know our time is short, so I'll
try to condense it as much as I can. One
of the best ways that a teacher and a leader
measures his teachings is the way the student takes to

(02:58:23):
those teachings. When they take that information that's given to
them and then they take it and run with it
and turn it into themselves or create their own cipher,
then that teacher is proud.

Speaker 4 (02:58:39):
They know that they.

Speaker 20 (02:58:41):
Did their job because we took what they gave us
and we made it. So so all of the leaders
that came before us, all of them that contributed, just
like brother Attorney said, we you know, we we failed
a little bit, or we failed a lot. We just

(02:59:04):
passed the thirtieth anniversary of the Million Man March as
well the twentieth anniversary of the Minions More Movement. All
of our answers were in that lecture that the Minister
day on the Nine Ministries and the Millions More Movement.

(02:59:28):
That would have freed us over night. We have not
picked up that that that torch to carry it like
we hear it. It needs to be rebusiness chick quickly
because this door is about to close. I don't know

(02:59:50):
what happened to the co conveners of the Minions More Movement,
But brother Karl, the Minister, the mini he put that
movement in the hands of the people. He put it
in the hands up the people. I gave you the
ideal take it now and run with it, and we

(03:00:15):
didn't do it. We have to stop looking at the Minister.
We love him, we respect to me. Is our guide,
but we have to stop looking at him and take
what he said and make it so.

Speaker 3 (03:00:30):
Right in the question for him, respond.

Speaker 20 (03:00:36):
Yes, sir, yes, My question is what happened, brother Malie.
Why did we not move through? Why did we not
take up that manner of the megas morbully that was
the greatest decision for us that would have freed us overnight.

Speaker 4 (03:00:54):
Thank you brother. What is your brother you have made?
First of all, what is your name? In what city
you're calling from? My name is brother William Mohammed out
of Memphis, Tennessee. I'm in see miles fifty five. Okay,
my dear brother. I want to say, I want to
say honestly that that God speaks to you and God

(03:01:17):
speaks through you. Because as much as we hear about
the Million Man March, sometimes I ask myself, well, why
doesn't the Nation of Islam remember the Millions More Movement
of two thousand and five or or their other anniversaries,

(03:01:38):
because that in some of those other anniversaries, specifically the
one you cite, the Millions More Movement of two thousand
and five, there's a process there, and there's a foundation
there that is that is very, very important and bears
witness to what you're saying. The nine Ministries proposed by

(03:02:05):
the Nation of Islam and Minister Lewis farchived as was
believable at that time, because not only were there nine
ministries with his power of organizing or attraction, there was
the personnel at the table to fulfill those ministries at

(03:02:29):
least substantively or a foundationally. I mean, you had doctor
Julianne Malveaux, she's great in education. You had black nationalists
at my table, we had attorneys, and you had any
number of specialists, and you had a platform. And so
a question would be what happened. It's too long to

(03:02:52):
get into. I was one of the co convenience for
that movement, and it could be too long to get
into other than to say that that all of that
could have and should have been followed up on stronger
and better. It could have and should have been strong

(03:03:13):
followed up on stronger and better by by a number
of parties, by a number of parties. And I agree
with your assessment that the door is closing to fulfill
some of these objectives. You know, brother, all I will
say to you is that again I've given my numbers

(03:03:34):
out and uh, I'm willing to talk. We're willing to
talk with with the leadership of the Nation of Islama
at any time. We feel like what the honorable Elijah
Muhammad offered before he passed, in terms of what he
accumulated and accomplished, it was a real remedy. I'm talking

(03:03:55):
about black banks, farm land, fisheries, opertise. I mean, all
of that is a remedy to poverty, gentrification. And we
feel like the Honorable Lize Muhammad solution is is probably
the best solution that's ever been given to us. And
to that extent, that makes the nation of Islam Lam
very important, and it makes some of these revelations that

(03:04:19):
you spoke on these ministry is very important. And so
again our text here for political causes, for political reasons
are two oh two three six nine nine eight six
two o two three six eighty six. Uh. And we

(03:04:39):
must say that that the program of the Honorabilize Muhammad
and carried out intelligently absolutely will keep us busy and
well and will really help us get out this condition.
And I thank you for your words, Sir.

Speaker 1 (03:04:54):
All right, and I thank you Brother Malik, thank you
for sharing your thoughts with us this morning.

Speaker 4 (03:05:02):
Yes, Sir, I just want to say again for legal
reasons and legal purposes only you can either text two
two four oh six eight eight zero seven three five
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That's the law Office of Malik Shabbazz and Black Lawyers

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for Justice. That's for civil litigation, police litigation, and personal injuries,
personal injuries and even accidents. But for political reasons. If
you want to help bring about black unity and you
want to be able to carry out some dialogue between

(03:05:46):
all of these fractured organizations and causes and try to
make some sense out of this, you can text us
text us at two O two three six nine nine
nine eight six, and Black Lawyers for Justice, the Black
Panther Movement, friends of President Ibraheim Trail, and all forces

(03:06:08):
that I'm associated with. We make ourselves available to all leaders,
to all the public, to all other tribes that are
out there listening. Whatever you were, our arms are open
regardless to whatever happened in the past. As you hear
on this line, our people are suffering. They want some hope.

Speaker 1 (03:06:29):
We're here and that's about so we're just done for
the day, you said, coming on, Kevin's getting ready to
get us out of the studio. But thank you, Attorney Leak,
thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning. Hey,
family clashes dismissed. School's over for the day. Stay strong,
stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning,
six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB,

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