Attorney Nkechi Taifa, Coffee Wright, Haki Ammi & Authors Panel on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And grand Rising family, and thanks for checking in with
us on this Tuesday morning. Later, Attorney and Kichi Taifa
will take over our classroom. Attorney Taifa will provide a
reparations update. But before Attorney Taifa, a panel of authors
will unveil their groundbreaking book crafted to provide solutions for
African American man and boys. Before the panel, Saint Louis

(00:20):
activists and Coffee Right will reveal her plans to honor
African American soldiers from the Civil War era. Momentarily Baltimore's
doctor Hockey, I Mean and Bernard Simms will join us.
But first we got Kevin to open up the classroom
doors on this Chili Tuesday morning. Chili Monday too, Kevin right.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
And it's Veterans Day, yes, indeed, man, and we thanking
all the veteran for this service and those who are
currently active as well. You know, thank you for your service,
whether you are you know, in whichever branch you see,
it's all about providing that service. Have a servant's heart. Therefore,

(01:01):
you deserve a salute from a fellow servant.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
How's that pretty good? Pretty good? The fight for those
for most of the country means the federal government is closer.
No no mail, no bills today, so you've got to
break on that. And the goverment works. If you do
have a job, you get to stay home legally, and
that's the other end.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
And ironically the government is closed right after they finally
agreed on reopening the government.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Till today it's closed.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
It's officially closed, and everybody's chumping at the bits, I
think to get back to work. But you've got a holiday.
You just wait just a little bit longer. How are
you feeling today, Carl Nelson?

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm feeling good, but I think most of those folks
are chomping out the bit to get get the checks.
You know, we're working with.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I got some bills to pay it, man, Yeah, forget
about the work, just pay me right, just yeah, I
did the work, double check and cut the check exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
I see.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
So that's so you're right, that is probably a very
real concern at these times, and looking at many of
the things that are going on. There are places providing
free food and free beverages for veterans today on Veterans
Day twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
I don't know if that'll help at all.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
But you know, there's a long list of places, including
places like Starbucks and Red Lobster if you can find
one that's still open, Applebee's and Chipotle, a lot of
your favorite places, including Krispy Kreme of providing you know,
free stuff. If you like that kind of stuff, we

(02:43):
should call Yeah, we should call doctor Baruk remind him to,
you know, do that for the veterans today as well,
you see, and even Cracker Barrel, you know, as controversial
as they have been lately, they're providing a free thing
called a Sunrise Pancakes Special. You get two eggs and

(03:05):
two pancakes. So there you go. FYI, don't say I
didn't tell you, all right. In other news, the seven
Democrats and one independent voted with the Republicans to end
the shutdown without extending health care subsidies. So these eight senators,

(03:26):
none of whom are up for reelection in twenty twenty six,
likely believe they're achieving the greater good by not letting stubborn,
unyielding Republicans continue to hurt the American people, including federal
workers and those who rely on food assistance. But many people,
including their party members, like the Democrats, think they're simply

(03:47):
giving in and getting virtually nothing in return outside of
a Republican promise to circle back to the healthcare subsidies
issue at a later date. You think they're going to
give up on trying to cancel the affordable health.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Of course this, you know, all this is just theory.
All this is just planned, you know. And those Democrats
they call him now dinos Democrats in name only.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, people like, right, where do you get these acrid news?

Speaker 1 (04:16):
That is really what they call him, Dinos ten coats
to democracy, Democrats in name only. But I was gonna say.
Tim cann is not up for election until twenty thirty one,
so he thinks he's pretty safe, and he thinks people
have a short memory. Many of them are Jacqueline rose
In from Nevada's up Tim Cannock Virginia, of course, but
many of them, you know, twenty nine, twenty seven, the

(04:40):
Angus King, the independent from Maine. He's up for his
terments in twenty five, so he's but he's an independent,
so he says he's not a really Democratic, even though
he caucusus with the Democrats. But it's gonna be interesting
see if if people, the American people have a short memory,
and remember what happened. What they did well.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
The compromise measure that passed by sixty to forty vote
came with the pledge from Senator John Thune, the Republiclan
of South Dakota and majority leader. He said they're going
to allow a vote in December on the democrats key
demand extending healthcare subsidies that are due to expire at
the end of the year. And so many of the

(05:17):
Democrats have said for weeks that such a measure would
be unacceptable because it was unlikely to pass in the
Republican led Congress. So, like you said, this is one
of those wait and see type things, right.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Oh, yeah, we'll see for sure. As you know, Democrats
are upset, man, they're upset with that they called the
Gang of eight. So we'll see if there are any retributions.
And the Gang of eight, Yeah, the Gang of eight.
They got all kind of names for them.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
So I see. Wow.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
So you know, it just depends on who you're looking
at or how you feel about it. They're either a
Dino or they're part of the Gang of eight.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Wow. All they need is a music bed hip hop.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
So hey, look, Trump has a mortgage proposal now The
new proposal from Donald Trump suggests a fifty year mortgage,
which could impact home bias.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
A fifty year mortgage, What do you think of that?

Speaker 1 (06:16):
I want to be tied to a bill for fifty years?

Speaker 6 (06:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Right?

Speaker 1 (06:20):
And shouldt's pay word for fifty years?

Speaker 7 (06:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Doesn't the word mortgage mean something about death?

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Anyway?

Speaker 2 (06:26):
So now you're tied in for fifty years. So what
I guess as soon as you, you know, as soon
as you hit twenty one, go buy that crib? Is
that how that works?

Speaker 1 (06:36):
And you may finish paying for it if you by
the time you get ready to retire. Yeah, but ridicule
in that. Already, I time you're seventy five or something,
you've paid for it. I coming from a person who
probably never had a mortgage, you know what I'm saying.
You just bacially still don't have mortgage.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
But anyway, well, except on the sales side, he has
the mortgage on that side, opposed to actually having to
be the person purchasing. He's the one selling those mortgages, right,
which is probably why he wants to stretch it out
to a fifty year mortgage. Imagine that much how much
money you make on that but wouldn't that But would

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that bring the interest right down if it's longer.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
It doesn't know, the interest rate doesn't have anything to
do with mortgages lower that more people can qualify it.
But the way the economy is going, you know, sometimes
it goes up, sometimes it goes down, and you gotta
snatch it when it goes down.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Okay, right now it's up. Oh paradoxical there, that's what
that is.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Hey. Look the airline cancelation.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Air travelers continue to face frustration as the FAA is
mandating further flight cancelations at major airports, with more expected.
So you've definitely got to call the airlines if you're
about to travel.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
That's right. There's still some residual effects and it's still
going on because the the shutdown hasn't been you know,
completed yet, it hasn't been stopped. So you know, air
traffic controls they have to eat too, They got to work,
so many of them calling in sick and they're doing
whober jobs and you know, because they got to feed
their families.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Wow, I tell you.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
So that's what's happening here on this particular Veterans Day,
the eleventh of November and it's twenty twenty five. So
thank you for your time, Carl. I could go on
and on, but we've got your illustrious guests waiting and
standing by.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I'll let you do the introductions.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
All right, Thank you, Kevin, and force some introduce somebody
who doesn't need an introduction. Baltimore activist doctor Hackey, Amani
Grand Rising, Doctor Hackey, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
Yes, sir, Grand Rising, brother Carl, it's great to be back.
Good to hear my brother Kevin. Happy veterans day two
who have served, if I may, including myself. So uh yeah,
I'm gonna try to get me some free food today, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Me too, why not?

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yeah, let doctor know that I'll drive down with us.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Grand Rising Bernard grand Rising by the call by the
High kake good in the hand. It's going to be
on your show this morning.

Speaker 8 (09:24):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Tell us are doing something real good for the brothers
in Baltimore. Tell us about it, doctor Hokey.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
But let me let brother Bernard, you know, open up
with this. He has been you know, working with Associated
Black Charities, and I'm proud to be a supporting cast
on this and I think it's you know, this is
the second third year. So I'll let him open up
and you know, really even expand on what you know,

(09:54):
Associated Black Charities is you've had uh the CEO Christy
thought on some while ago, maybe have to have her back.
I mean she's you know, amazing and their team is amazing.
But Bernard, brother, Bernard Sims is you know, truly handling
this Men's Night Out. And so I'll allow him to
open and I'll just kind of you know, add or

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sprinkle in there.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
So thank you, all right, thank you at the top, Bernard.
How did this come about? The Man's Night Out?

Speaker 4 (10:26):
So thank you, brother carn Thanks by Hokey. So Men's
Night Out was born about three years ago at Associated
Black Charities. Well, I'm proud to serve as a senior
director of Culture and Communities. And so for those who
may not know about Associated Black Charities, we are a
racial equity organization and we work as an educator and advocating,

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supporter and convening to address some of the barriers that
are created by institutional structured racism by providing long term
solutions and opportunities for black people to thrive. But that's
kind of who we are. We a year old organization
that was founded right here in Baltimore by a group
of area of faith leaders and businessmen and women who

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started this great organization and today we're still leading the
charge to do things to help black families and our
black community. And so Men's Night Out is one of
those empowerment programs where we come together with the brothers.
This is our third year and we're really excited about it.

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The theme this year's Iron Shoppin's onn Some of our
listeners may know that title from the Bible, but we
also are looking at this from a perspective when black
men come together to lead, lift and learn from one another.
So that's the overarching theme. And so we're really excited
to have some dynamic speakers for a panel and a

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dynamic keynoteer here from Baltimore, mister Dante Winslow. We're just
really excited. So doctor Hockey is one of our pants
along with Robert Guinyard and with one of our other panelists,
doctor I mean d Watkins. A lot of folks know
d Watkins from his work with some advocacy in the

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city and we own this city. He was wanted to
writers on that as Dante was also one of the
gentlemen who worked on the musical score. And Robert Ginyard
is an ambassador for prostate cancer. He goes all over
the world in the country and talking about that. And
we have a really great moderator, Kurt Sykes, who runs

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the Seed School. So we got a fantastic panel. It's
going to be a great night. We have a class
ict cater and Jimmy Brinton. During the food we'll have
some great resource vendres there. So it's going to be
an exciting time for man And it is this Friday,
November fourteenth, at File thirty at the Regimen ref Lewis Museum.
So if folks are interested in registering, they can go

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to our website www. Associated Black Chess Aties dot org
forward slash Men's Night and they can register and be
into place on front of there all right.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Sixteen other topic I found that's been on SIMS along
with doctor Hakey. I mean, they have a men's night
out in Baltimore. So, fellas, what are some of the
major problems that you guys see that's facing black men today?

Speaker 4 (13:21):
So I'll take that again into Brother Paul.

Speaker 9 (13:23):
So when we first.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Started out Men's Night Out. We focused on three areas
that was health, wealth, and self. And we saw that
from a perspective where these are three major areas that
men should focus on, but also three major areas that
men really talk about. And so we were able to
open up kind of the gap for men to express

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themselves and really be authentic, and they were in a
safe space to talk about their health, to talk about finances,
and talk about their self their mental health. So we
had great professionals in the room on the panel also
or address in these three areas. So those are some
of the items I think that men are also facing.
And then we moved to the power brotherhood just coming together.

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We see that it sometimes it's really hard for black
men to come together, to trust one another and work together,
and we have to, you know, we have to do
away with that. We have to be able to collaborate,
work together. So I'm so happy to be working with
doctor Hockey and brothers like him around the city. And
then you know, iron shopping Iron. We got to be
willing to lead, and we got to be willing to

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lift one another up, especially our young brothers out there,
and we have to be willing to learn from one another.
So those are kind of the some of the things
that I think black men are facing these days.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
All right, hold up, all right? Then we askedtep aside
for a few moments and again back tell us how
young these young brothers that you're trying to reach and
how are you you know, how are you trying to
achieve that family? You just waking up with us. It's
seventeen minutes after the top of that, with our guess,
doctor Hockey, I mean it, also Bernadd Sim from Baltimore
and having the men Night Out. They're going to discuss
some of the problems facing our brothers in Baltimore. What

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are your thoughts? Eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six will get you in and we'll take
your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for
waking up with us on this Tuesday morning. Twenty one
minutes after the top they with our guess from Baltimore,
Dotor Hokey, I'm in it, and also Bernard Sims, they're
having a men's night out and they're inviting all brothers
in Baltimore to attend this event. And before we left

(15:24):
for the breakouts, my question to Bernard was what age
a group are you looking at and what are you using?
What sort of techniques are you using to attract young
men to this meeting.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
So we're looking for a young man between the ages
of twelve and seventeen. For the past couple of years,
we have worked with the Baltimore Collegiate School for Young
Boys and that's one of our partners, and so we
look to invite these young men and others from around
the city to come to this event and to also

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hear from some of the brothers on the panel. We've
had pretty good success of having young men come out
to this event every year. We also tap into some
of the other strong male organizations around Baltimore, like Black
Professional Men having their young men come out. We've reached
out to Kappa Alpha Psida this year to bring young
men from their God Right program. So we're reaching out

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to the various organizations male organizations to also bring the
chapters of their young men to this event as well.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Got You twenty two at the top of the mark
is Baltimore. He's online six Grand Rising Marketing on with
doctor Hackeyama and Bernard sims.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
Hees.

Speaker 10 (16:33):
A good morning, gentlemen, by by wish you and all
your listen as a meaningful Wednesday observance today. This sounds
a very good idea and it's imported to get our
young people together a positive way to learn about the culture,
the African American culture and how to be good men
and good leaders in our families and our communities. So

(16:56):
my question is if you've fort about maybe it's there
be some issues that you know you can't just I mean,
it's good to have a social night out and to
meet one another, but have you thought about some sort
of retreat maybe next year or maybe a year after.
We're in addition to socializing and all, but maybe get together,
have workshop or speakers to help just you know, learn

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how the strength of the family, the communities together to
talk about a different issues. And have you thought some
sort of retreat either in addition to an annual night
out or or expanding from it, or what do you think?

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Thank you? If I may, Hey, but thank you brother Mark,
it's along to you always get to see you out
in the community. Well, Carl, and let me just say
how they mentioned So I'm actually here in Massive not
in Virginia, and I'm actually at a retreat this is

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more unisex, it's more women that men. Here. We got
three brothers here, uh, you know, instructors and you know,
but you know that that has been part of my
vision for quite some time. And let me just share.
You know, many people know I've I got my name
from Haki Meta Buddy and one of the things one

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of one of his books, Black Men, Single, Dangerous Obsolete,
where he one of his chapters is called corners that
were made for Black men to stand on. And I
always talk with brother David Miller, well not always, but
you know, we we we I mean I always raised
this as a sense of purpose or goal. At Hacky Metabuddy,

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he theorized about how many black men in urban environments,
you know, they need time away or you know, they
need like a type of training, like a boot camp
type of training. And that's been part of my analysis
for I always talked to doctor Bunley you know about it,

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and you know, and it has taken years to you know,
cultivate this, I mean and not the way able to
get like everyone you know every time. And actually I
was just at another brunch and shout out to brother
Ray Davis and h Richard Row but Olamina and David Miller,
who was We had a lunch at Collins Black Restaurant

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just this past Saturday, I'm sorry Sunday, which kind of
lead leading up into this. And so, I mean, Mark
is certainly on point, and you know, I appreciate that
question and coincidence that I'm here in Messadutton, Virginia right
now on a retrieved seven day but I'll be back Wednesday.
But I mean that's the part of what you know,

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Brother Haig Key Meta buddy theorized me to happening. He
suggested having some drill sergeants and coaching is and from
a military, retired retired police, retired professors, retired teachers, you know,
all all types of people to come together to enhance
these you know, one time things that we do. But

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hopefully something at this particular event on Friday can spark
like a curiosity and this is the key how we
communicate to young people like we. I mean, I still
recall experiences that I've had that you know, thirty twenty,
thirty forty years ago where somebody said something to me

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that that changed my life, that changed my consciousness in
terms of which direction I need to go. And so
we have to find a delicate balance between you know,
the one time, you know, speaking and meeting young people
where they are, and then you know, getting young people
outside of Baltimore and out in the community, out side

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of the communities. So good question. Thank you for the Carl,
I love Burnard. If you want to.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Add in, yeah, I mean I think it's a great idea.
It's something that we had I'll be honest, we had
not thought about at Associated Black Charities, But I definitely
think it's a great idea. But to that point, to
Hockey's point, I mean, there are brothers like Hockey, David Miller,
some of the other giants that he named around Baltimore

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who have done these type of events around Maryland and
around other states. So I think the exposure for young
black men is great for them to you know, get
out of the city and see other things. Explore nature,
maybe fishing, you know, whatever those things may be, just
to be able to enjoy other sceneries besides what we

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see and here in Baltimore all the time, sirens and
and blants and police cars. I mean, there are other
opportunities that young black men definitely need to see. So
retreat I think it's a great idea. But you know,
I would definitely you can see how we could, you know,
maybe partnering with some other organizations that might be currently
doing these type of retreats and maybe funnel young people

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towards that, right.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
And I was just ad a real quick call and
brother David appreciate his work and I know y y'all
are tight, brother, and he actually spoke last year. You know,
he was one of the panel speakers last year at
this men's Night out, and so you know, it was
kind of good, you know, to really watch you know,

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and scholars like himself, and you know, it was just
a good bonding that you know, I was there with
them this this weekend and so but but yeah, man,
no thanks you to think.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
But all right, thirty minutes at the top half family
just waking up. I guess the doctor Hockey, I mean
he from Baltimore, along with Brennard Sims there having a
man's night out in Baltimore on Friday. Bro, when you
first decide to do this, did you get me pushed
back from the sisters and the women wondering why black
men need to have these solo events and will not

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include them?

Speaker 11 (23:06):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Absolutely not, and I'll be honest, I did not get
any pushback because I was advocating for this event when
we first started it, because we also offer Women on
a Move. That's an event that we also host angrily
for the Sisters here in Baltimore with great panelists and speakers.

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So for many years leading up, and this was prior
to the former administration, you know, I'd ask, you know,
how can we do something for men? How can we
start a mail and pommers series for men? So we
tested something that really went well. It was on a
very small scale, and then when new leadership came in

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under Christy Thornton, she loved the idea and we just
went forward. So it's just been nothing but great support
from the Sisters because again they also have a really
great event that we do every year that's coming up
on December the fifth Women on a Move, and that
also will be at the Regal f Lewis.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
We stand, beautiful.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
And let me ask both of your brothers and how
the brothers who hang out on the street corners. We
know who they are, you know, how are you inviting
them in or how are you going to reach them?
Because those brothers probably need this information more than the
other ones.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
You know, that's a that's a that's a great idea.
I don't I can't say how we could actually reach.
So some of the organizations that we do partner with
do work where they do work with some of the
brothers on the street. We have a lot of partners
that Associated Black Charity works with that works with young

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men who may been in and out of the system.
So we kind of lean on them to you know,
funnel that information to those young brothers to try to
get to an event like Men's Night Out.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
I just and you know, if brother Mark the other
markets listening, I thought, that's who that was, Brother Mark.
See if you know that we are us and doctor Bunley,
brother Cat and Andrew, you know they have, you know,
be perhaps the strongest. You know, they out there every day.
Doctor Bully runs the City Men's program and we are

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us stay out there every Monday. I catch him when
I can. But you know, just knowing who the people
that are out there right now who may be influences.
And let me tell you brother car and bred Bernard.
I was at this breakfast. I was sitting next to
rick Height. Now Ricky many people know him he was

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like high and like the policing, but he was the
one that was instrumental, and I so appreciate fitting next
to him. Was instrumental in the violence interrupter you know programs,
and you know, really he was like mental to and
maybe we say arrested in peace to Brother Boxdale in Baltimore,

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Brother call he was like a deputy mayor. He just
transitioned at age fifty three years old and actually as
trineral is tomorrow. But he, I mean Brother Boxdale was.
I mean, I ain't gonna say who absolutely is responsible
for the reduction in crime, but butter Rick Heights by

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the Buckdale, he is the one that is responsible. I
know it's a team effort, of course, but but and
so we lost a giant just recently in Baltimore. But
you know, just knowing who the people are, and I
appreciate having that conversation. But heina he might be someone
that we have to really talk to because he was

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actually was supposed to have that position, or if he
was offered that position with Man Scott, you know, he
lives may in retirement, et cetera, et cetera. So I
just mentioned those people and if anybody has butter Monk
or any young shop brothers, because we want to get leaders.

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I believe, you know, we we you know, senior brothers,
older brothers. We may not be out there every day
in the streets. But some of the young leaders that
are out there that these brothers are working with, and
I've seen some of them, they bring them up to
different events. So if any of them are listening, you know,

(27:41):
please bring one or two or three. Let me know
however I can help, you know, to facilitate that. But please,
if we could get some of the strong leaders that
have a testimony right, have a testimony of transformation in
their life that other people can begin to mimic and say, look,

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if that person can do it, that person can change.
I know that I can change. So that's my outreach
here to community brothers that are out here. So thank you,
thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
For the car all right twenty six away from the
top of the family. That's doctor Haki a Mini and
also Bernard Sims with us from Baltimore to have the
Men's Night out that's coming up with this on this Friday.
You'd like to speak of them, reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero, seventy eight, seventy six, Brenda,
I want to go back to the outreach again because
we talked about the brothers on the corner, Because my
concern is that you're preaching to the choir, the folks

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are going to show up the ones who are already committed.
If you went into some of these high schools in
Baltimore and talk to some of these young brothers or
got the schools involved so you can go in and
have and address some because that's where it usually starts.
A lot of these brothers, I say say a lot,
but some of them don't have enough from two family homes,
if they don't have a man in their home to

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rear them and tell and you know what things that
men should be doing in that aspect. Have you reached
out to any of the schools in Baltimore to get
some of these young brothers, because we see the results
of what happens on the streets when schools will let
out in Baltimore City. So my question again is if
you made any overtures to the schools.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yes, we have reached out to some of the schools
in Baltimore City and also Baltimore County. We do have
a number of educators that do come to the event.
And I'm not gonna you know, I won't fully agree
to say this just preaching to the choir, because there
are new men and new young men who come to

(29:37):
the event every year to hear and to learn and
to go on. So I think it's really a great
opportunity to reach out to those young brothers. But yes,
we do reach out to our high school and even
our middle school young men to come to Men's Night Out.
We also run a program at Associated Black Charities called

(29:58):
Young Leaders Program where we have young people between the
ages of sixteen and twenty four who learn about serving
on a nonprofit board.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
So that's also a resource for us to recruit.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Young men to come to our Men's Night Out as well.
On top of that, when Hockey was speaking about some
of these leaders, yes we know that there are many leaders.
I know Rick Ye very well when I work for
the Mayor's Office of Children in the Families many years ago.
And so it's brothers like you know, Rick, that we
reach out to. Brothers like as you said, David Miller,

(30:32):
and the list goes on and on, and even doctor
Bummy running the blackmail initiative through the Mayor's office. So
it's really important for us at Associated Black Charities to
stay in contact with these organizations that are actually out
there reaching the young brothers in the community on the
streets and try to get them to event like Men's
Night Out events that our hockeys may be sponsoring. So

(30:55):
it's just really important for us to keep that communication
through it all.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Right from the top, they have family. We gotta take
a short right, we gotta check the news and traffic
and weather in our different cities. When we come back, though, fellas,
can we talk about the fact that doctor David Miller
you mentioned him quite a bit and he has the
Rights of Passage program in Baltimore for young men. Are
you going to take parts of the rights of passes
and use it at this event when you have this
meeting at the REGINALD Luisa Center on Friday, And I'll

(31:22):
let you respond that when we get back. Family, you
two can get in on this conversation. This is not
a solo thing. Reach out to us at eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and
we'll take your phone calls. After the news, traffic and
weather it's next and Grand Rising family in Facts are
waking up with us on this Tuesday morning at sixteen
minutes away from the top. They are with our guest,
doctor Hockey, a Meanie, and Bernard Simmons from Baltimore. They're

(31:43):
having a men's night out take place on Friday. Before
we go back there, let me just remind you come
up later this morning. We're gonna hear from Attorney and
ki Chi Taifa get a reparations update. Also before Attorney Taifa,
I'm going to meet a group of panels, actually of men.
They're discussing a ground breaking book that they wrote designed
to help African American man and boys, kind of like

(32:04):
what brother Hacky and Bernard are doing. Before we go
to that panel that we're going to speak with Cuffee
right out of Saint Louis. She's an activist in Saint
Louis and she's the wants to dedicate a plan to
honor African American soldiers from the Civil War era. Later
this week, you're going to hear from author and clinissioned
doctor Jerremy Fox. Also industrial psychologists doctor Edwin Nichols would
join it. So if you are in Baltimore. Make sure

(32:25):
you keep your radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB,
or if you're in the DMV family, or on fourteen
fifteen WL. All right, fellas, But you know before the
break I was asking you about the rights of Passages
that David Miller. David Miller is well known in Baltimore,
Doctor David Miller. You can give him his props and
he has the rights of Passage program for brothers of
the young man in Baltimore. Are you going to take

(32:45):
any elements from that rights of passage to share with
the young men that you guys are going to be
meeting this weekend.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Well, how I'll answer that, brother call, is when I
think about rights of passage really from birth to ancestorship,
I think some of the things that men will talk
about on Friday will kind of embrace all of those
elements of what who and what men are. One of

(33:15):
the things that I want your listeners to know this
is a multi generational event. Will have you know, young
men as young as twelve, will have some of our
elders as well as sixty and up that will be
at this event. But this, you know, this event is
about defining the stereotypes that you know, men can't love

(33:35):
one another, and they can be the solution to their
own issues by working together. Fellowship and joy are tools
of resistance in this current political environment. And too often
we think that people on the streets are the only
ones that need growth, But there are other men who
also need growth as well. So Men's might out brings

(33:55):
out people, you know, across socio economic standing and accomplishments titles.
So I think it not to say that it will
embrace rights and passes, but I think that some of
the things that we'll we talked about will probably embrace
some of those things. And to be honest, I mean,
we Hockey and I we both love and respect brother

(34:16):
David Melon. Him and I have been friends since we
were teenagers, and so we're looking to do some things
next year around black men and health that we're going
to partner on. So it's just going to be a
really great opportunity to hear from some really powerful leaders
from around Baltimore and really you know, try to drop
some serious knowledge on some some young brothers as well

(34:38):
as some older brothers. So I think it'll be a
really good event that will embrace probably some of those
rights of passes initiatives to.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Go ahead, doctor Hackett, certainly, thank you.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
And you know, coincidentally, you know when you mentioned the
rights a few years ago there, you know, Quint, you're
having this at the Regi Refluence Museum, but you know,
this is where a major, major rights of passage conference
was held and many brothers mostly brothers, uh came from

(35:16):
all over the country to the regular Influence Museum. I'm
including by the Paul Hill and actually his son is here,
but a phenon and a sister of Vasha. They're doing
phenomenal work in the Cherry Hill area, so let me
just mention them as well. But here's a thing called

(35:37):
you know, there's a lot of ideas and you know,
I'm sort of like a strategic glue, if you will,
connecting some of these dots, you know, in around the
Baltimore area. For instance, one of the things, you know,
when we bring black men up, you know, to you know,
hearing from these brothers a lot, the question becomes, all right,

(35:58):
what's next, and ultimately, you know, skill development, life skills,
career skills, all of these things have to come into play.
And so for instance, Senator Corey McCrae, he has a
book out now you know where he's talking about, you know,
the the the trade, the career that changed my life

(36:18):
and are not getting. But but he talked talking about
vocational skills and apprenticeships, you know, and so understanding that
young brother, people people are hungry, people need opportunities, people
need life skills.

Speaker 12 (36:34):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
You know, those are some of the conversations that that
that rights and then initially but you know, these conversations
bring out of dependent upon the audience where the direction
we have to go. And I must also add, I
mean pushing people into community service work. You know, I

(36:57):
still work with my local community of the association that
I that I grew up in. You know, although I'm
you know, traveling all over you know Africa, I'm still
in the community given giving out food once a month,
you know, doing being service, being productive, serving the people.
This is what the Panthers were teaching as well. So

(37:20):
that's all I'll just say.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
All right, ten away from the top, let me share
this with you, with the family, and especially with you
two brothers. TSU Tennessee State University of Maahia Medical College.
They're teaming up and they're offering scholarships where a student
would go to t SU for three years and then
on to Mahariy and finish it up to become a
medical doctor or a dentist in seven years instead of
the traditional eight years. Now check this out, fellas. They

(37:43):
have enough females already signed up for the program and
know n o black males. So if you know any
black male who are high school seniors that want to
become a medical doctor or a dentist and they have
twenty eight on the ACT and a three point five GPA,
it's possible for them to get a free ride to
Tennessee State University and onto Mahary. So and I left

(38:07):
the information with Kevin. So those of you who are
listening and you got friends and students thinking about going
to Red school or dental school, there's possibly to go
to TSU and then on to Mahary and just call
Kevin at at the number of number and then he'll
give you all the information how to get in touch
with that. Because it's surprising me too, because no males really,

(38:29):
you know, taken up on this. The sisters and we
see this quite a bit, fellows. So the sisters when
it comes to professional schools, we talked about what was
going on at Howard, the more women like they almost
ten to one brothers. When it gets worse, when it
goes into the masters and professional schools, it's even worse.
So is that an issue that you guys think that

(38:50):
needs to be discussed Because we're gonna have these systems,
we're all professional jobs. Nigga be looking for mates and
hopefully they'll find a mate who is equal, you know, educationally,
or is you know, earn has the ability to earn
the same income. Some of them may have to quote Unquan,
I know this is sort of controversial. Married down if

(39:10):
you will, but he's out of consideration when you guys,
when you put this together, because this is a serious
concerning the black community.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Yeah, it's most definitely our concerned, brother Paul. We definitely
promote higher education for our young black men. I think
the last time I looked at some rapes, they might
have been around some statistic it might have been around
about forty percent of black men are completing for your
college degrees. So we definitely want to try to keep

(39:39):
young black men in that pipeline of going to college.
But we also realize that every young man is not
going to go to college. So are there great apprenticeship
programs out there? So we're seeing the apprenticeship programs really
come to fruition now where they're able to offer a
substantial living wage for young black men to be able

(40:01):
to throw out that. So we wanted to make sure
we get young black men in the pipelines of either
or either college educational apprenticeship and really just you know,
list them up to their fullest potential so that they
can be successful.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
You know on screen point right there, some seven minutes
away from the top, because you know, occasionally we do
we interview brothers that are inside the joint brothers they say,
in captivity, and they figured a way how to listen
to this program. I'm not going to mention how, but
they got busted once and the apparatus was taken by
the prison officials. But out there in California and they

(40:36):
listened to the program and occasionally want to get out.
We have them on. One of them told me that
struck me. He says he didn't know the people worked
where he grew up. You know, people went went to
I had a nine to five. Because he had never
seen that, he had never thrown us young man everybody
was in a gang. His parents are in a gang,
scrand bears in a gang. So you know, that was

(40:56):
what he wanted to do. You know, what he saw
on TV was fanas. He didn't believe that happened in
the black community. And that's truely, Like, wow, my young
brothers need to have, you know, people that they can
see that having these jobs that can compete professionally on
any level with anybody in the world. So that's why
I'm happy that you guys are doing this.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Sure, but to that.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Point, start the call. I'll just raise something that has
happened at Associated Black Charities. Just recently, there has been
a young man who has started to send part of
his money he's earned from prison. He's learned about Associated
Black Charities. His mother called the office and she said,

(41:40):
you know, my son has heard about your program. You know,
he's lived a certain life, but he's you know, turned
his life over. He wants to change. So he is
actually sending a portion of the money that he's making
to Associated Black Charities because he believes in what we're doing.
But not only that, he got two of his other friends.

(42:00):
He educated them about Associated Black Charities and now they
are also sending dollars to associated black charities to make
sure that we can continue doing the work that we're doing.
I just think that is so powerful. So we had
a brother who was incarcerated for many years, and I
know what he did and didn't get behind those walls,

(42:23):
and that he was ill equipped when he came out.
So I think the brothers today have more access to
information they wanted to, you know, make a difference, connect
with certain organizations. They want to change their lives. So
these are also great opportunities to connect with men on
the other side as well.

Speaker 13 (42:41):
I know you want to say something well in terms
of which you were saying about the esteate and I
think and I did meet the last year, I believe
not Edwin, but perhaps the president of Baltimore.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Collegiate School, so they would would certainly be the most
plugged in, you know, in terms of that taking young
people having a high level of college acceptance rates, and
so it was pleasing that the bottom of collegiate were
there last year and they certainly will be participating this year.

(43:22):
So good to hear that from brother Bernard.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Family. I've got to get caught up on the ladies trafficking, weather,
before we do that again. If you know a young
man who's interested in going to med school or dental school,
or you know TSU has a program with Maharry two
Black colleges, and if they have a twenty eight on
act and a three point five GPA, it's possibly they
get a free ride. Just think about it, a free ride.

(43:46):
They they have enough sisters in the program, but they
have no brothers yet, So just passes along. Just and
if you want more information, just called Kevin at eight
hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.
I messure we've got to step asund get caught up
in the ladies' trafficking weather this morning. After that, we'll
take some calls for doctor Hakey and Bernard Sims right
here at the track of this next Monday, Tuesday morning,

(44:06):
I guess doctor Hakey Amani and also Bernard Sims from Baltimore.
They're having a man snight out. This doesn't take place
this Friday at the Regional Aflute New Lewis Museum in Baltimore.
So before we go, though, I got to ask Bernard
about some of the other players who are going to
all the other speakers. I actould say we are going
to be there because we know doctor Hackey is going
to be speaking, what about the other folks are going

(44:27):
to be speaking there.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
As well, So we have our keynote speaker will be
Dante Winslow. Dante Winslow is from Baltimore. Dante is an
acclaim musician, author, composer, and trumpeter. He has worked with
many folks in the industry, the likes of you know,

(44:47):
Chris Stapleton, Alicia Keys, jay Z. He's worked with a
number of folks, so he's going to be our keynote
speaker for the event. We also have again Robert Yard,
who is a prostate cancer survivor but an ambassador as well.
Robert goes all across the country talking about men's health,

(45:08):
but talking about the importance for men to you know,
get their exams and to make sure they are staying
on top of their help. We also have excuse me,
d Watkins, who is a world renowned author. He's a
professor here at Hopkins. He has worked on numerous films
around the country and also written many books. So we

(45:31):
have a very solid panel in which will be moderated
by Kurt Sykes. Who runs another powerful school here in
Baltimore called the Seed School that is producing great scholars
that are going on to four year colleges and apprenticeship program.
So we a't want to leave that out. So it's
going to be a well rounded panel with a great

(45:52):
keynote and great fellowship again, resources, great food.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
So it will be a.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Really great time for young men and older man to
common scholarship and connecting here for some great leaders.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
All right, before we let you fellows go, doctor Hockey,
give us the information again, where's going to be, what time?
And is there a phone number or an email address?

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Sure, well, I'll let Bernard do part, but I have
the fly in front of it. On the fourteenth, it's Friday.
Our doors open at five thirty. We started six at
the Reginue of Lewis Museum in Baltimore, and hopefully everybody
knows where the Regine F. Lewis Museum is by now, certainly,

(46:35):
but Associated Black Charities website. I let him give that out,
you know, if they want to give out the phone
number as well, but I'll let him give out that information.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
Sure, you can go to www. Associated Black Charities dot org.
Forward Slash Men's night and again that will be held
at the Regine Lewis Museum is Friday, which is located
at thirty East Pratt Street in Baltimore, Maryland, and we
will begin at five thirty pm. So we're really looking

(47:06):
forward to seeing the men in the place on Friday.
And brother call, thank you so much for this opportunity
by the Hockey.

Speaker 8 (47:13):
You know, I love you.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
And uh so we're just really excited to have men
and to see men and watch men and growth.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
So thank you and thank you fellas for doing that,
because you guys are looking at for the younger brothers
and that's great to see. We don't see that happening
too much. People just pass each other like ships at sea.
Where we have to, you know, stop mean mugging each
other and get together because this is a different world
than when we grew up in. So thank you fellows,
Bernard and brother Hockey for doing that for us.

Speaker 14 (47:41):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
All right, all right, welcome, I'm going up to this
mountain here and mass and check the views out. So
got to come come on back to Maryland.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Call real sir, all right right, thanks for the invitation,
Doctor Hockey, thank you, Bernard.

Speaker 13 (47:55):
Thank you, thank you thank four.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Minutes after the time I was bringing sister coffee, right Coffee, right,
Grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 15 (48:06):
Thank you very much, Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
And coffee is an activist in Saint Louis family. She's
been here before. And coffee. But you have a plan now.
You want to celebrate some of the African American soldiers
from from the Civil War era. Tell us why you
decided to do this?

Speaker 15 (48:24):
Well, I decided to celebrate and honor our Color troops
as well as our Buffalo soldiers because it seems that
just clean out that a lot of especially blacks, are
not aware of that part of our history. And so
I think that not only do we need to continue
to create the awareness, but it gives us something to

(48:48):
be proud of. It gives us something to to fight
for and to understand our right of being here in America.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
You know, it's ironic that we have you on today
because this is a Veterans Day, and sometimes, you know,
a lot of times they don't even think about the veterans.
When they think about veterans, they think about you know,
probably Korea that the most are going back to, or people,
but they never think about the Civil rights there. They
never think about the Buffalo soldiers. They never think about
the so called colored soldiers and what they had to

(49:21):
endure fighting for this country and when they came back,
So they never think about those those Yeah, I think
for doing that, can you address that for us coffee?

Speaker 15 (49:29):
Yes? Well, last last year, when I came up to
DC and I was reciting the Juneteenth National Anthem at
the White House, and the group of us we went
to the Black History Museum and it was so beautiful
and I enjoyed it, but some just kept edging me,
and it was to the point where I became annoying.

(49:51):
In my mind. It's like, you need to go to
the Civil War Museum. And I remember that a geologist
had told me that my grandmother grandparents name was in
the Civil War Museum. So I left the history museum.
I called up a gentleman who happens to be a

(50:11):
historian in DC by the name of my egg Gin,
and he said, he told me, if you need to
know anything or want to go anywhere, you need some transportation,
feel free to call me. So I said, I'm gonna
go ahead and call him on that. I called him up.
I asked him, do you know where the African American
Civil War Museum? He said, sure, you're not far from
it at all. He said, as a matter of fact,

(50:33):
I'm in the area if you want to write or
I'll take you. So he took me there and I
got to look the thirty eight regiment. When I saw
my grandmother's both of her grandfather's name etched in steel
on that wall, it just made me feel like throwing
a cape on. I said, wow. I looked around and

(50:53):
not only did I see their names, but I saw
two hundred and twenty nine thousand black men's name And
that's when it really hit me that I black men
freed us. When people asked how did you get free,
the first thing most people say, well, Abraham Lincoln freed us.
Abraham Lincoln gave us the opportunity to free ourselves when

(51:18):
the North was losing the Civil War against the South
and they really didn't have a choice, and Abraham Lincoln
wanted to win that war, of course, and he was
from the North. And so after Harry Tubb and Frederick Douglass,
their journal Truth, even John Brown, the white guy, you know,
when all of them were Martin Delaney they continued to

(51:41):
pressure Abraham Lincoln and try to convince him to let
the soak paul colored folks, you know, the enslaved black
man as well as the free black man. Why don't
you let them in the war and help you win.
But when he finally realized he had no chance of
winning that war, and he gave us the opportunity, our

(52:02):
black men stepped up.

Speaker 9 (52:04):
They stepped up.

Speaker 15 (52:05):
They could have said no, mass no, we're gonna keep working,
We're gonna keep picking that cotton and let you keep
waiting our women and children and hanging us. And no,
they said, I'm going for it.

Speaker 9 (52:17):
I'm going for what I know.

Speaker 15 (52:18):
And they went for what they know. Two hundred and
twenty nine thousands, being over four hundred black women pretended
to be black men, and they joined them, said, Mama
watched the kids. I'm going with him. And so for
our people to have that kind of strength and took
advantage of that opportunity, so we can be free. So

(52:39):
we didn't have to do what they did and endure
the hardship and the pain and the disrespect, and you know,
so we didn't have to. That's how we got free.
So we have to see that we are not each
other's enemies. As you say, we can't be mean mugging
each other because we all. You know, they say black
folks can't get can't come together. Hey, we came together.

(53:01):
And not only did we come together, we came together,
showed up and showed out. So when I got back
to Saint Louis, I realized I had some land, been
having it since the nineties, and I said, you know what,
I'm gonna bring that monument. I'm gonna bring that, maybe
not that particular monument, but that history back to Saint

(53:22):
Louis because they didn't teach us that in the public schools.
They decided the curriculum, and it never told us that
our ancestors freedom. So I said, I'm taking my land,
and I'm turned into the Color troops because that's what
they called the black men and women, the colored troops,
because black people couldn't join the arms before, so these

(53:43):
troops were colored because they called us color folks. I'm
gonna turn into the Color troops. But then I read
up and I remember the baddest of the Color troops,
the toughest, the best for the Buffalo soldiers, those are
the ones that became the Buffalo Soldiers.

Speaker 14 (53:58):
So I said, it's.

Speaker 15 (53:58):
Gonna be the color Troup Buffalo Soldiers, Thirteenth Amendment park
and I had to throw that thirteen amenen in because
that was the nail in the coffin. That really, you
know why Lincoln was assassinated, And that's horrible. But also
the thirteenth Amendment when it ratified December sixth, eighteen sixty five,

(54:20):
that said no slavery has to be abolished throughout the
entire United States, never again, only in prison, which is unfortunate,
but it could legally be a slave in prison, and
I hate that. But the thirteen Amendment abandoned and abolished
slavery everywhere in the United States. And we understand, mister Nelson,

(54:41):
that this is America. It was not the United States
of America. It was America. And what made it become
the United States was when our black men won the war,
When we helped them to win the war changed the
entire trajectory. Then that is how the state America became
united And that was what Lincoln wanted, was to put

(55:06):
all the states, make all the territories part of America,
which became the United States.

Speaker 12 (55:14):
And so and.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Coffee. Right, let me say this, doctor coffee right, you're
teaching this morning, sister. You are absolutely teaching the stuff
that you just said. They haven't taught this in school.
You don't go through school. They didn't tell us about
the Colored Soldiers or the Buffalo Soldiers. When we heard
about the Buffalo soldiers were grown. We're probably hearing a
song by Bob Marley. What's he talking about Buffalo soldiers?
And he's a reggae saying what does he know about

(55:37):
Buffalo soldiers? Then we started doing some research. They start
had our folks. You know, the Buffalo soldiers is served
in the army after the Civil War. But let me
case DoD to coffee, right, did you investigate why these
brothers went to fight for America? And knowing how they
were treated. You mentioned that we're still you know, straight

(55:59):
out discrimination and some of them some areas still enslaved
and Jim Crowz going on and all those things that
are against us hit they went and fought for this country.
Did you ever figure that out? Why they did it?

Speaker 15 (56:12):
You know after the Civil War you speaking of right, Well,
you know a lot of them they thought it was
an opportunity. You know, we didn't. We sure didn't. When
they freaked us, they didn't give us. They didn't give
us anything. Some of them even took some of the
masters took the clothes off our back. Some people were
free and had to give up the shoes and the

(56:34):
clothes that they owned. So, you know, after the Civil War,
when they freed us, or when we freed ourselves, should
I say, after that happened, they gave this home when
the Homestead Act came. And remember they gave one hundred
and twenty seven acres to everybody. That's what was so
appealing to the Germans and everyone else. Come to the
United States of America. Get one hundred and twenty seven

(56:55):
acres free land, just build on it. But if you're black,
you can't have none. Everybody but the color folks, you know,
just like the song they had out, everybody have a
flag but the coons number one hit songs in the country.
And Marcus Garby said, yeah, they right, but we got
to do something about that. So then he created the
Pan African flag and said, we don't have our own red,

(57:17):
black and green. So we've always been mistreated, neglected, left out,
and we built this country, but our brothers they go
in to the military. Our sisters going to the military
thinking a better opportunity, and most of them find that
there's so much discrimination in there. When you come back
to America, you don't get the same benefit. They couldn't

(57:38):
get the GI bill when they come back from Vietnam.
They have to go back to the projects where they
came from, or wherever you live in And the white
boys they come back from Vietnam and they get brand
new homes, built, brand new community, all the benefits, but
no GI Bill, no.

Speaker 16 (57:55):
DA loan.

Speaker 15 (57:57):
Basically didn't give you a lung. So you know, we've
never been treated fast. So I said, this is not
gonna be the Coffee Right Park. It's not even gonna
be named after my ancestors. But it's gonna be the
Color Troops Buffalo Soldier thirteen Amendment Park because we're naming
it after all the black men. And let me tell
you something, everybody, if you have a lick of black

(58:18):
blood in your body, one of those two hundred and
twenty nine thousand Color Troops, I can guarantee you they
related to you, if not more than one, because if
that's nine, I'm sixty. And if you're in my age range.
It would probably be your grandparents, grandparents, and most of
those kids was that fought the war. They were kids,

(58:40):
they were fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old. When we talk
about our black boys, I heard killing up and going crazy,
shooting up everybody. They're warriors, their hero and it's in
their blood and nature. The only problem is they have
to realize we are not each other's enemies. Stop killing
up each other. Say that strength energy for the real enemy,

(59:01):
because one day you just might have to face them,
and we don't need everybody on the right side of
the thing.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
So that I left aught right there, sister coffee right
tot to coffee right a sister, coffee right sister, you
preaching right now. I just want to thank you because
some of the stuff that you're talking this morning, folks
are hearing it for the first time. And ironically again,
the memorial, the plaques that are commemorating African American soldiers
fighting against the Nazis in Europe have been removed by
the US military. This is the Trump Administration's a group

(59:32):
of folks. They've remove those plaques. It's good that you're
going to set something up so our people can know
that he's gonna be saying Louis, so we'll have to
go there and just, you know, honor our brothers and
sisters who fought for this country. But I'll tell you what.
Let's talk about that when we get back, because I've
got to step aside. Right now at sixteen minutes after
the top of our family, you want to join this
conversation with doctor Coffee right, she's an activist out of
Saint Louis. Reach out to us at eight hundred four

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or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for
staying with us on this Tuesday morning, a Veteran's Day holiday,
federal holiday, and we have our guest from Saint Lucie's
an activist, doctor Coffee Wright, and she's got me hyped up.
She tell us about her plans to honor the brothers
who were in the Civil War where they call them

(01:00:14):
the Colored Soldiers back then all members of the Buffalo Soldiers.
This is the stuff that they want to take out
of the history books. This is the stuff they don't
teach us. You know, before they started taking it out
in high school, they never told us that we thought
were the history stories they told us. We thought, well,
some of them us, but all the pictures were all
she sees white boys in there. So but we know
our folks were there because we were here, so we

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know we were part of the fight. And the thing
is that doctor right, and we did me ask you
this though, dude. One of the issues I heard with
the brothers and this is what I thank the brother
who tell me that the Trump administration is taking those
plaques out that honored our elders who fought for this
country when they went overseas to fight against the Nazis
and the Nazis and they came back and the Nazis came.

(01:00:56):
Some of them came back to the Nazis were treated
better than the brothers who are fighting against them. How
do they deal with that kind of you know, in
their break like, hey, we're trying to say if you
you come over here and now you're honoring white because
you're white, it's all about the color of my skin
and you getting more breaks than I did. And they still,

(01:01:18):
I don't want to use the word, they're still peeing
on me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Come, how did those brothers that deal with that doctor Wright.

Speaker 15 (01:01:26):
Oh, they just called so much, so much felt hatred
actually because here, you know, they're over there, you know,
our black men and you know, risking their lives, and
many of them lost their lives. And then they come
back and treated as nothing. You know, they went on drugs,
they start turning on themselves and broke up the families

(01:01:50):
and stopped our families from even being able to advance.
They thought, well, hey, I'm over there fighting. You know,
I come back. You know, this country's done love me.
But they come back and they're still discriminated. Even when
they're over there fighting, they're discriminated by their so called military.

Speaker 9 (01:02:03):
Brothers, you know.

Speaker 15 (01:02:05):
So uh, we have to we have to figure out
does that even does these wars concern us? You know,
I always felt like maybe the presidents of these countries
should fight each other. Why are you putting all these
people out there to fight? You know these causes, But
none of these battles really have been our concern. We
haven't had a problem. Like Muhammad Alis said that, you know,
they ever done nothing to me. It's the people over

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her that's discriminating. And I have to, you know, salute
him for not for standing up and rather go to jail,
go to prison than to fight in these wars. But
the Civil War we had a we had a dog
in a fight for that we had, we had something
to fight for, and the incentive was our freedom. And
so not only is the color true part honoring our

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black men who fought in the Civil War and the
four hundred black women, which the most famous one was
Kathay Williams. She pretend her name was william Cat. They
until she got hurt and they you know, went to
the hospital and she found out that he had a
little more upfront at top and less at the battle.
But we're also it's dedicated to all black veterans up

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even up to this day and point this park is
dedicated to all black vetters because none of them had
to join, and none of them had to get in
any war. You know, they made a choice, even if
even if the option was going to prison as Muhammad
Ali did, they did not have to join. So it's
dedicated to all of them. And as Trump is closing
down and taking names and pulling people black people out

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of these museums, he can't touch up. Because we are
for the people, by the people. We only take donations
and fundraisers. We will not take a government grant for
this spot. And Johnson Lancaster is partnering with me with this.

Speaker 10 (01:03:47):
And he did.

Speaker 15 (01:03:48):
He's he's more of the i'll call him. He's a journalist,
which also he has a lot of uh, he just
does a lot of you know, research. And he brought
to my attention that the grounds that I owned was
actually once named Benson Barns. I mean, how that that that?

Speaker 17 (01:04:10):
You know, no way in the world.

Speaker 15 (01:04:11):
I didn't know that that was Benon Barris. And Benson
Barris is where Missouri was one of the battlegrounds during
the Civil War, and Benson Barris is the spot where
the Color Truth lived eight left and was medicated. And
so that it was just it was just God, That's all.

Speaker 17 (01:04:29):
It was God, you know.

Speaker 15 (01:04:31):
And I'm not. I'm not. I don't claim any religion
as a matter of fact, whether I speak in church
or a club, I'll tell him, I've been baptized four
times and disappointed all four But I believe in God.
I believed in the Higher Power whatever people want to
call him. Everybody got different names for him, but I
believed in him. And so it was meant for that
to happen. That part is for everybody. If you have

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a liquor black blood in your body, know that your
ancestors freed you. And how we how we found that
part is we have bricks. We have a roll of
bricks and it's called the Moses Dixon Path to Liberty.
And if people don't know who Moses Dixon is, because
when you said, mister Nelson, that they didn't teach us
that in school. On the other side of the park, Okay,

(01:05:16):
we're located on the north side of the park on
the first street that borders the park, Fairgrounds Park, and
that park was one's named Benson Barry, and I happened
to have the property directly across the street. Well, Lancaster
and I started doing some research and he's more of
a historian, but we found out that Fairgrounds Park was

(01:05:38):
double the side. So where this new park is the
Color Troops Buffalo Soldiers, Thirteenth Amendment Park. We were actually
in the heart of Fairgrounds Park, which was Bitting Barry,
So this ground is sacred. And on the other side
of Fairgrounds Park was the high school that I attended,

(01:05:59):
and they never taught us any of this, and it's
right across the street. We walked through that park every day.
Even as children. We played in that park. My grandfather
fished in that park and bought home the food for
us to eat. Our candy store was where I am now.
And so everybody have to know that our ancestors freed us.
Our black men stood up because a lot of times

(01:06:20):
we look at our black men flyways and said, if
I was back there doing slavery, I don't know if
I could even been with those men. They have them?
Why was there? Women said they having babies and them
men was weak? They wasn't weak. Plenty of them tried
to escape and got killed. Plenty of them did what
they had to do. But when it was time where
they really could do what they needed to do, they
stepped up. They stepped up, showed up, and showed out.

(01:06:41):
And so Moses Dixon, I just please let me tell
you short, real quick of Moses Dixon, because that's what
the path that our bricks are on. These bricks are
personalizing grave bricks. Anybody in the world, as matter of fact,
much loved to Baltimore. They when we were up there
last week in d C. Baltimore, and when we went
to battle. More in Baltimore Community bar Bricks they allowed

(01:07:03):
us to speak of. They rented an auditorium, or one
of the brothers I think owned the auditorium and Pike's Auditorium.
I believe that was the name of it. But anyway,
Bay Barbricks. But Moses Dixon was the brother he's He
was born in Ohio, but he lived in Saint Louis.
Long story short, before slavery was overturned, before slavery was abolished.

(01:07:26):
This brother trained almost fifty thousand black men to overthrow slavery.
He trained him how to fight, how to shoot guns
and everything. So I salute him. And he has a
cemetery right here in Saint Louis. They have his own
cemetery called the Father Dixon Cemetery. So would anybody come
from any part of the country. People buying bricks from DC,

(01:07:48):
They're buying bricks from California, Laos, Vegas, all over. This
ain't a Saint Louis thing, Family, This is a black thing, Okay,
this is the all of our thing. It's even a
white thing. It's a word thing because it's to let
everybody know the roles that our black men played as
well as our black women that stood up in freeing
ourselves where they say, go back to Africa. Hey, baby,

(01:08:10):
this was once called Turtle Island before they before they
colonized it and named it America, and before it was
the United States. Our black men, predominantly black men, made
it become the United States by helping to win that
Civil War. So we have to teach that. And I
think when our young folks realize how powerful their ancestors are,

(01:08:32):
understanding what's in their DNA, I think that could maybe
possibly allow us to love on each other a little
better than to think. Because somebody stepped in your tennis shoes,
it's time for their life to end. So I wanted
to share that. You know, and anybody listening, you can
get a brick, a personalized brick with your name on it.
You can even sponsor, have sponsor the buffalo. We have

(01:08:54):
a seven foot long statue of a buffalo that we bought.
We just paid for it. Finally this stumbled across it
crossed it in April and then I paid it off
in August. We have an eagle with a ten feet
wingspan and it's silver. Well guess what the Color troops
made their old flag and it happened to have a

(01:09:15):
silver ego on it, And so what was the chances
of me finding these two items at the same place,
and they were made from out the country, and I
just so happened stumbled on them, stumbled across a They
the only ones they have, but we have both of them.
The eagle's gonna go twenty feet in the air. We
haven't installed yet. People follow my Facebook page, they'll see
everything I'm telling them about constantly. The eagle in the

(01:09:37):
buffalo is still at the store we bought it from
because we're trying to raise funds to buy a fence,
the eight foot fence as well as a stone wall
to go around the Color Troops Park because we don't
want anyone's fells it. You know, the White boys throw
Baby Jesus and that's where on this from a church
on the south side. So if they were still Baby

(01:09:58):
Jesus from the church in the south that I don't
put anything past anybody else from trying to steal our
buffalo for our eagle. So that's why we have the fundraisers,
you know, but we refuse to take any type of
government funding.

Speaker 12 (01:10:11):
We're not going to do it.

Speaker 15 (01:10:12):
If we can't we don't have enough grassroots organizations to
chip in to try to raise the fifteen thousand dollars
we need to buy this fence and these bricks, these
stone walls, and then you know the stone blocks. I
don't know if you ever seen those large stone construction blocks,
but they go for about one hundred and twenty dollars each.
We need fifty four. So if anybody listening and want

(01:10:33):
to donate some blocks, we need them because we're making
a wall with them. We double stacking them four feet high,
and we want to put that eagle on. We want
them triple stack for the eagle so he can start
at six feet high and he stands six feet tall.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
I mean this family hall of thought right there, Doctor Coffee, Right,
you got folks all fired up already. Some people want
to talk you twenty nine minutes away from the top.
Then family just checking in and voice you hear it's
doctor Coffee, right. She's an activist in Saint Louis and
she's donating land that she owns in the Saint Louis
area to honor our African American soldiers. They were called

(01:11:09):
colored soldiers back then, or some of them we know
as the Buffalo soldiers after the Civil War, these men
that fought for this country and got nothing in return.
You mentioned too at this point because again this is
not this is not in the history books. When the
brothers came back, they didn't get anything of a gi bill.
You know when the first ot of brothers, the white
boys got all everything. They got their housing, you know,

(01:11:31):
you know the bill Oh's houses out in Long isrond Levittown,
and they got the educational you know, free college. But yeah, brothers,
they got nothing. But before I take a call for you,
how many sisters do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
You know, when as brothers to fight for this country,
there were a lot of assisters who did that.

Speaker 15 (01:11:49):
Yes, it was over four hundred black women. They pretend
to be black men. They said, Mama washed the keys,
I'm going with dad, Mama washed the kids. I'm going
with my man, I'm going with my brother over. And
they were the nurses. You know, they fought, even Harry Submon,
you know, they fought, They fixed wounds, they cooked for them,

(01:12:10):
they made them close because you know, when they let
the black men in the war, half of them didn't
even have shoes, didn't have coats gave him the worst guns.
Some of them didn't have weapons. They put them in
the front row and they worked to de tear the
enemy while the white boys did the shoot. So a
lot of them didn't even have weapons, just standing there
and so they can get shot up to protect the

(01:12:31):
white boys so they can have time to shoot. Because
you know those guns they had back then, this was
only one shot. You know, you stand and it wasn't
like you see the wars now where you're had in
the tree or down in the ditch. For the most part,
they were standing in line. Remember those were the pictures
that we see where everybody standing in line and you
face the face with your enemy, you shoot him or
he shoot you, and then you fall down and the

(01:12:53):
next person shoot and so it's the last man standing
type of deal.

Speaker 6 (01:12:57):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Oh, I thought that twenty sticks away from the time
I mentioned that some folks want to talk to you. Ready,
Jean's up first, he's calling from Pikesville in Marylton. He's
online one Grand Rising Gin with doctor Coffee Wright.

Speaker 8 (01:13:09):
H come doctor, right, thank you, thank you very much.
I'm ex military. Uh and uh, I'm sorry called. I
forget what your phrase is. The top of the morning
to everybody. Yeah, Sergeant Rutledge of the I think he
was either the ninth Cavalry or a tenth Cabaret. There

(01:13:31):
were the original Buffalo Soldiers who served in the Civil
War won the Congressional Medal of Honor. Are you familiar
with Rutledge In the movie Buffalo Soldiers, they portray him.

Speaker 15 (01:13:44):
Well, I'll be honest, I don't claim to be a historian,
you know, so I'm not that. I mean you were
to make hut up. Lancaster is our historian, and I
wish he was on this car because Lancaster. But the
ninth and I'll tell you about the nineteen ten Cavalry.
That was a common nation of a lot of different
that wasn't just when when they were colored troops. What

(01:14:06):
they did was to spout of the regiment and put
them together and made the cavalry. Yeah, so yes, I
know that included to thirty eight.

Speaker 8 (01:14:16):
Yeah, right, so you know, but again I'm just saying
that that's who they were. But after the Civil War,
they served in the Southwest and they used to turn
you know, the American government used the term pacifying the Indians, right,
So of course the the Apache where the the warriors
in the in the Southwest who were kicking you know,

(01:14:39):
hour behind. But it was the Buffalo soldiers who really
gained their dignity and respect from the Apache.

Speaker 14 (01:14:49):
Uh in that war.

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
Because again we referred.

Speaker 8 (01:14:52):
To each other as veterans, but we are warriors.

Speaker 14 (01:14:55):
That's what we are.

Speaker 8 (01:14:56):
We are warrior class of people. And so we carry
on it to the African tradition of the warrior class.
And that's in our DNA and and and you know,
and basically that that's you know, that that's basically whatever,
it's thank you for what you're doing and illuminating, you know,
the the role that we played, uh, you know in

(01:15:17):
the United States military because it was essential and basically
sad to say the United States would not be as
powerful as it as it became after the Civil War
because of.

Speaker 15 (01:15:29):
US absolutions of the North.

Speaker 8 (01:15:33):
That's the same time again, you know, I just want
to thank you as a veteran. You know what you're
doing right now, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
And doctor hold on sag We got to check that
in another check of the news trafficking right on different cities.
I come back. Carl in Northern Virginia wants to speak
to you family. You two can join this conversation with
Doctor Coffee right out of Saint Lucian's an activist. She's
put together a memorial for our brothers assistants who served
in the armed forces back then. Some of them would
called the Colored Troops or buff soldiers. What are your thoughts?

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Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six as the conduit to Doctor Wright, and we'll take
a calls after the news trafficking weather, it's next and
Grand Rising Family factual rolling with us on this Tuesday morning.
I guess is Doctor Coffee right out of Saint Louis
and Doctor Coffee right is donating part of the land
that she owns in the Saint Louis here to create
a memorial for our African American soldiers. They were known

(01:16:24):
as the Colored Troops back then or the Buffalo soldiers.
And this is what we're discussing this morning. Before we
go back to the lemons, remind you TSU Tennessee State
University and Maharred have created a program where you could
go to TSU you know Tsue for and then to
Mahara to finished to become a medical doctor. A dentist
and then in seven years, you can do that in
seven years instead of the traditional eight years. They have

(01:16:46):
enough females signed up for the program. No black males.
You know in a lot of our professional schools that
people who don't look like cause they take advantage. So
if you know any black males, any young brothers and
sisters who are high school brothers who are high school
seniors and they wanted to be I'm a medical doctor
or a dentist. So they have a twenty eight on
act and a three point five that'surely have three point

(01:17:06):
five gpat as. Possibly they get a free ride at
Tennessee State University, then they can go on to Maharry.
So just call Kevin at eight hundred and four or
five is there are seventy eight seventy six and Kevin
has all the information on that for you. And coming
up later this morning, we're going to speak with Attorney
an Kischi Taifa and we're going to talk get a
reparations up there. And before we speak with attorney and

(01:17:29):
Kichi though we have a panel three brothers are gonna
they're going to talk about actually they're going to veil
their groundbreaking book that's crafted to provide solutions for African
American men and boys. Later this week, coming up on
this program, we're going to have author and clinician doctor
Jeromy Fox, and also industrial psychologist doctor Edwin Nicholson. They're
all going to be here this week. So if you

(01:17:50):
are in Baltimore, keep you radio locked in tight on
ten ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV family
around fourteen fifty WL. So I mentioned before the break,
Carl's calling us for Northern Virginia is online too. Once
you speak to doctor right cars, you're wrong with doctor.

Speaker 9 (01:18:05):
Coffee, right, Grand Rising, Grand Rising?

Speaker 18 (01:18:08):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 15 (01:18:09):
Sure, yes, yes, we can hear you.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Okay, hey listen.

Speaker 5 (01:18:14):
I know you're talking about basically the Buffalo Soldiers and
the Civil War era.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
I'm a retired military veteran myself, and I noticed that
for most black veterans on Veterans Days, people come up
and say thank you for your service. But you know,
I say to them, particularly to the non millenated people,
before you sent me for my service, you need to
tell my story. And you're telling a story about the

(01:18:40):
Buffalo Soldiers. That's an untold story or whatever. But what
came to mind to me this morning was the story
of Isaac Woodard, who was a World War Two veteran
who was blinded by the police after World War Two
when he was going home wearing his military uniform because
he spoke up like a black, like a man to

(01:19:03):
the bus driver, and the police blinded this man and
he died. Poor uh and Joe Lewis I believe, had
to take up his his story or what had to
take up his case, and he was never able to
get in justice. Okay, nobody knows, they never And I
noticed today on the History Canel when I got up
this morning, I flipped that on Afotter film the news.

(01:19:24):
They were talking about the Teschke German and all of that,
and they have that hype up story, but they don't
have the story of Isaac Woodard, who was also a
World War Two veteran, you know, or they don't have
a story about the Month of Fort Marines. You know,
out there were the black the first black joined the
Marine Corps. Couldn't train in Paris Island. They had to
train at this place called Month of Point, North Carolina,

(01:19:45):
and the Month of Point Marines trained harder than the
Marines at Paris Island. Okay, they don't tell that story.
And I was, I went through all of TC, I
was gonna be an officer, and I wanted to be
an officer in the Marine Corps.

Speaker 6 (01:19:58):
Never heard that story, Okay.

Speaker 14 (01:20:00):
Never heard that story.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Last one, that's one more, well do you want? I
never heard the thing about dignity and pride, right that
came out of the Vietnam era, when the black soldiers,
officers and millers and the enlisted they had to get
together and.

Speaker 19 (01:20:14):
To know who was who, Who was who in missou,
who was on your team?

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
You give us when you get a handshake. That's where
dap dignity and pride, that's where that comes from giving
up death.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
Okay, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
And even with the tuest Gigit airman like when they
were telling their story, they never tell the story about
how they had a contest after World War Two between
the Tuskegit airmen and the White Navy aviators, and the
Tuskee airmen beat them in the first top gun competition.
And that's where that phrase top gun comes from. The

(01:20:52):
brothers won that competition. They took that the air Force
took that trophy, boxed it up and hit it for
fifty years and didn't bring it out until after the
George Floyd things. Okay, I was in the military twenty
years as served as an officer and didn't learn one
damn thing about my own history until I had to
go and find it all out after the fact. And

(01:21:15):
that hurts me that I stand on these brothers shoulders
from the Buffalo Soldiers to the brothers that's fault in Vietnam,
and we don't know a darn thing about them, and
most of us around here a former military and we
don't know the story.

Speaker 8 (01:21:29):
We don't know the story.

Speaker 15 (01:21:31):
Can I brother say over that card, I want you to.
I want to say this. I thank you for sharing
that with me. But that another reason why we have
the color truth. Buffalo Soldiers, thirteen Dimni Parks. We are
opening a gift shop. We have a small building. They
look a math right now, but again we're trying to
raise funds a gift shop as well as an education center.

(01:21:51):
When you say they didn't tell us this, they poor
for they we are they We have to tell our
own stories because it ain't gonna be the truth anyway
when it comes from them. You have the knowledge, you
just shared some more information with the world, and so
see what you know. Then you shared not only every
opportunity you get, as you call it in on the
radio station, put it in a book, make a little book,

(01:22:13):
make a little pamphlet. All the military people around you,
make sure they get it. We have to share the information.
We have to each one, teach one. And I want
that book in the Color Troops Park. We're gonna have
any you know, we're gonna have small items on consignment.
So if you wrote that book, we'll have that book.

Speaker 12 (01:22:31):
There.

Speaker 15 (01:22:32):
They talking about burning all the books, trying to keep
all the knowledge of month. We got to burn books. Okay,
we want to pass information on This part is not
just a park. It's not even that huge. Although we're
trying to get more ground around us. But before we
can even buy more land around us, what we're trying
to do is get the doors open. So when you

(01:22:53):
all come right now, you can come and see the park.
You go on my Facebook page, the Color Troops Buffalo
Soldier thirteen Amendment Park, the Faithbook page. You will see
the park exist. You'll see the signs. You can google us.
We are googlebles. You can google the Color Troops Buffalo Soldiers,
thirteen Amendment Park. It's a long name, but if you
just say Color Troops Park or Saint Louis Park.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
We have we.

Speaker 15 (01:23:16):
We are there, we are landmarks. We're the first, but
we hopefully we're not going to be the last. Okay,
but the thing we got some more.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Folks want to talk to you. So you started a
fire this morning. Oh you don't have to apologize. We
need to hear this information. And thank you calling in
northern Virginia for calling it. Not away from the top.
Let's go to Charlotte though, Brother Gregor's checking in this
online one, Brother Gregory, we thought the coffee right? Yes?

Speaker 15 (01:23:46):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (01:23:47):
Gren Rising brother call grend Rising, doctor Wright, thank you
Grand Rising.

Speaker 19 (01:23:53):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 11 (01:23:53):
And half the Veterans Day. And as a veteran, I
can say you're making this day of Veris Veterans Day
for all veterans in this nation. I was just drimming
down the road on the way to work, and your
story is so inspirational I had to pull over and
call into the showy brother called those I usually call

(01:24:15):
on Friday, but just hearing this story of your hard work,
your dedication to represent the veterans especially those from the
Civil War. This is outstanding. And my first question, well,
it's ma'am, my first question. And I know you just
mentioned Google, and I.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
Would ask the people to google a movie called Glory
with Denzel Washington, which represents the fifty fourth Massachusetts Troops
colored troops who fought in the Civil War.

Speaker 11 (01:24:46):
And I wanted to ask you, have you seen that
movie and what is.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
Your opinion of that depiction of those troops. And they
have this one quick follow up after you answer.

Speaker 15 (01:24:55):
That, you know, I did see the movie and it's
been a while and that was really an eye opening
for me. I'd like to if it's okay, I'd like
to let my partner Lancaster answer that question because he's
the historian and he's I don't claim to be a historian.

(01:25:16):
I just when I found out, Like I said, when
I found when I learned the history, I'm the person
is I don't say they should do this or they
should do that. We are vague. So that's why I
did it, and I'm still learning even more. Lancaster, Johnathan Lancaster,
can you quickly get some insight on that?

Speaker 9 (01:25:35):
Good morning everyone, Oh sir, the the fifty fourth Massachusetts
Regiment was. It came into being because Frederick Douglas convinced
President Abraham Lincoln to start raising Color Troop units, and

(01:25:57):
Lincoln got the Congress to pass a law in eighteen
sixty two that created the Color Troop regiments, and then
Sudy Douglas recruited. He did most of the recruitment four
to fifty fourth out of Boston. There were one hundred
and seventy five Colored Troop units and different types of infantry, cavalry, artillery,

(01:26:23):
supply units, construction units. And so we have one hundred
and seventy five units comprising two hundred and twenty nine
thousand Black men and four hundred black women who fought
in the Civil War under the Color Troops.

Speaker 15 (01:26:40):
Banner.

Speaker 9 (01:26:42):
Wow, and I saw glory. I thought glory was a
really good depiction overall of the spirit of how the
Color Troops came into being and how they fought for
freedom knowing that the only way out was either freedom
or death. We're even gonna be free, We're gonna die,

(01:27:02):
going to going to get our freedom. And it is
those two hundred and twenty nine thousand who helped free
four million Africans who were in bondage. That is a
profound is a profound historical.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Statement in the interesting time, Brother Gregory, your follow up
question real quick?

Speaker 11 (01:27:22):
Oh yes, thank you, brother, because yes, my follow up
question for doctor right, doctor right. You mentioned that the
Trump administration has actually removed some of the plaques of
the African American soldiers who fought in various wars, you know,
in Europe, in Asia, all.

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
Over the world.

Speaker 11 (01:27:40):
And as a veteran, I mean I know that those
brothers and sisters, they made the ultimate sacrifice. When I
was in the army, I was airborn qualified. They had
me jumping out of an airplane with a parachute, so
we put our lives in danger. So my question is
you think it would be a good idea and if
it's something you could put together with other veterans, possibly

(01:28:03):
a petition to the president to ask him to reverse
that policy. I mean, these are veterans who gave their
lives for this country and here we are in twenty
twenty five and they're talking about removing plaques. Do you
think we could put together some type of petition of
yourself veterans from privates to former black generals, send it

(01:28:24):
to the president to say you must reverse this policy
and not desecrate these soldiers who gave the ultimate sacrifice
for this country.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Told your response start to right, because we've got to
step aside and check the traffic one more time, real quick,
Brother Gregory and Charlotte, thank you for that question.

Speaker 12 (01:28:41):
A family sores.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
It's four minutes away from the topay. Doctor Wright will
respond to brother Gregory's question after we check the traffic
and weather or not different cities. We'll do that now.
And Grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with us on
this Tuesday morning, Veterans Day twenty twenty five. I guess
they start to coffee, right, Doctor right. She's an actress
in Saint Louis, has some land there. She's gonna donate

(01:29:02):
for our brothers and sisters who work who were in
the Civil War. Those are called colored soldiers back then,
and also the Buffalo soldiers. And so doctor Wright, I
let you respond to Gregory's question.

Speaker 15 (01:29:14):
In short, I'm just gonna say we need to put
our energy in what we con troll. I doubt if
they Trump administration gives a hoot about a ladder or
petition anything else. Yes, I'm willing to be a part
of that I have so much that I'm doing that
I challenge you to start it, mister Gregory, are our

(01:29:35):
started and you lead the leader, because we have so
many battles that we're fighting. And I think it's more
of a joke. If we think that he's going to
it'll be an awareness So we can do that as
an awareness campaign. But he could care less. The Trump
administration could care less how we feel about it. If
millions of people are fighting for him to return the EBT,

(01:29:55):
the medical insurance, they kicking senor citizens out of old
folks homes. I'm getting hundreds of calls of months saying
people the nursing homes of colony, saying come and get
your mother, come and get your daddy. And he could
care less about that. He can care less about all
these babies. And it's more white folks, let's be clear
that are receiving food stamps and EBT than it is blacks.

(01:30:16):
But if you don't care about that, where the whole
government will shut down because of that.

Speaker 12 (01:30:21):
And they could care.

Speaker 15 (01:30:21):
Less about that. He don't care about anything else. The
racial profiling, made that back legal, the deporting American citizens.
I think he could give a hoop about we're saying,
put our black heroes, our black historians, our black people
back and give them the props that they deserve. He

(01:30:41):
don't care. We have to step up, each and every
one of us have to step up and put our
energy in what we control and our dollars where we
can trust.

Speaker 12 (01:30:51):
We have to.

Speaker 15 (01:30:52):
We cannot expect anybody to do anything for us.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
We know that we got some want to talk to you.
Let me before we get out of here. Thomas is
on line four. I think he's calling from Maryland. Grand
Rising Thomas all with doctor Coffee.

Speaker 5 (01:31:06):
Wright, Grand Rising, Brother Quacy. I just think that we
have to.

Speaker 14 (01:31:14):
Tell all the truth, and I speak Dick Gregory's truth,
a true historian. When the soldiers was marching, they sang
the song John Brown is a molding in the grave.
John Brown was the one who started that Civil War.
It was sparked by his actions, and he stood up

(01:31:35):
against white supremacy and racism. Yes, listen, listen to Dick
Gregory's Listen to Dick Gregory's perspective on the Buffalo Soldiers,
and it's nothing good at all. Dick Gregory told us,
all of us who listened, that the Buffalo Soldiers was
used to kill off the Indian race, the Native Americans.

(01:31:59):
They killed over one million buffalo of the Native American
food supply, and they starved them out. Now see what
side of history we want to be on. I understand
what they did.

Speaker 15 (01:32:17):
If I answer that, I see where you're going, and
and what I would like to add to that. The
Buffalo soldiers. True, they did kill up the Indian race,
and they thought they were doing the right thing because
they were led by the by the white men, Okay,
And so I'm not taking up for them. But again,
they were the baddest of the color truths, and I

(01:32:37):
have to honor that and recognize that. I'm familiar with
Dick Gregory. I'm really great friends with his brother Ran
Gregory as well, and I've met Dick Gregory, honored him
because I put on the biggest June tenth. I'm also
part of a Junior Teen's coalition where we're the ones
that parked the Junie tenth to be a federal holiday. Okay,
and we achieved that well.

Speaker 14 (01:32:55):
But it's no honor in that, sister, It's no honor
in that when the Native Americans, when the Native Americans
took in more slaves that was running free, runaway slaves,
and gave them a safe haven. And then we turned around.
We always on the wrong side of justice. We turned

(01:33:15):
around and then we killed them off for this white man.

Speaker 15 (01:33:20):
I can't reverse.

Speaker 14 (01:33:21):
Ain't no honor in that.

Speaker 15 (01:33:25):
Them, sir. I'm not ironing them for killing the Indians.
I can't reverse what they did, but I can recognize
that they were the baddest of the color troops, and
the Color troops came first. Keep that in mind, so
if they weren't, if they didn't win the Civil War,
then it wouldn't have been no Buffalo soldiers to go on.
What you went on and did after that, then that's
what you did. But they were the baddest of the

(01:33:46):
color troops and they helped to win that Civil War,
and that have to be recognized. As far as John Brown,
I'm familiar with John Brown, and John Brown was the
white Waves, started off being racist. But then he changed
and he turned around and he was hung as well
as of his songs was hung because they took over
the armory and they were successful with that, but then
the government came in and they had way more manpower.

(01:34:08):
And this was before the Civil War. Because he wanted
to tell over those slavery and then he was hung
in two of his white songs as well. Lancaster, did
you want to come in on that real quick because
we're running out of time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Yeah, no, I think he's gone. He left us, but
because yeah, we're just flat out of time yet. But doctor,
how can folks help you? Because this is a work
in progress?

Speaker 15 (01:34:27):
Right, yes, it is a work in progress. But the
park is open and they can seven six nine six
zero sixty cold three one four seven six nine six
zero six seven. They also can go on Facebook. They
can find me coffee right on Facebook, as well as

(01:34:48):
the Colored Troops, Buffalo Soldiers Thirteenth Amendment Park And again, yeah,
we want to tell both sides all of it, and
we're telling it all. We're not patting the Buffalo Soldiers
on the back for being it's led same as York.
We can talk about York with Lewis and Clark, and
he's the one that took them through the entire expositions

(01:35:09):
thinking he was doing the right things. But then they
turned around and we have a statue downtown with Lewis
and Clark in a faithful companion and it's not York.
But it's a dog. They don't miss it anything about
York who was a slave that the Indians gave the
path for them to even get through. The white man
wouldn't have been able to go up and down the
Mississippi River and take all the land if it wasn't

(01:35:30):
for York doing thinking, he's doing the right things, which
turned around and he got whipped and ultimately killed and
separated from his wife and everything by trying to help
doing the right thing. So we got we got, we
got the stories. Brother, Thank you for sharing that, because no,
we're not covering up anything, and I'm so thank you.
I hope I addressed that, and I would, you know,

(01:35:50):
if we had more time, Lancaster Johnson Lancaster could really
go back in history on them.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
All right, we'll have to do this again because you know,
as some of the callers have mentioned, they've taken that
all the tributes to all the things that are black
soldiers achieved and did for this country and what they
did and how they were treated when they came back
where We discussed that quite a bit. But those bricks
that you're selling, people who are listening can if they
want to contribute to help you with this project. Can

(01:36:18):
they do that as well?

Speaker 15 (01:36:20):
Absolutely. They can sponsor a brick with their name personalized
on it or dedicated to a loved one, a lost
loved one. They can also sponsor a flag. We have
five flags, the red, black and green, of course, the
American flag, the Buffalo Soldiers had their own flag, the
Color Troops had their own, and then also the June Team,
so they can have a plaque with their name on
the flag. We have table gazebos that they can sponsor

(01:36:43):
with a plaque on it. And we also have the
Ego and the Buffalo which are the ultimate sponsorships. And
they call three one four seventy six nine six zero
six seven. If you want to donate a cash apples,
just cash app Coffee rights st L Coffee just like
the bevery c O F f EE W R I

(01:37:05):
G H T S T L. And as a matter
of fact, if you want to email me, same email
coffee right st L at yahoo dot com. You can
email me personally and if you want to discuss something
call me. You can call me personally seven sixty nine
six zero sixty seven. Again, the AERA code is three
one four All.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
Right, doctor coffee. Right, thank you and thank you what
you're doing, especially on this veteran stay too, to honor
our black veterans. So if we don't do it, who
else is going to do it? As we mentioned as illustration,
it's stripping all the tributes to our black soldiers, taking
them out of the history books. And that's what you're
trying to appreciate. So I thank you for doing that
for us.

Speaker 15 (01:37:45):
Thank you for allowing me this time. I really appreciate you,
and thank you to all the listeners. And again this
is dedicated to all the veterans, all the black veterans,
male and females, but it's honoring the color Truth and
the Buffalo Soldiers. So thank you for having me. And
now please go on our Facebook page because we have
an event coming up Cure All Cancer, and it's December

(01:38:06):
the six.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
All right, thank you, doctor right, thank you for what
you do as well. Thank you all right, family, Next guest,
we've got three brothers with us. At ten minutes half
the top day, I got doctor Nana laws In Bush.
He's chair of Pan African Studies at CAW, State of La.
Doctor Bush, Grand Rising, Welcome to the program.

Speaker 19 (01:38:27):
Peace, Good morning writing to you, thank you for having
us on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
And also we have got the doctor Edwards C. Bush,
the president of Consumes River College. Am I saying that correctly?

Speaker 16 (01:38:40):
Yes, because some is River College and Sacramento, California.

Speaker 5 (01:38:43):
Grand Rising. Good to be with you this morning, and.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Hopefully we'll go get our doctor. Ami will join us shortly.
But the program that you're have in you've got a
book discussing how to remembering and restoring and rebirthing Black
boys and men. So doctor Nana Bush, why did the
guy decide to do this book?

Speaker 19 (01:39:03):
Well, much of what is done in the academy with
black people, black studies definitely with research, we would describe
it as black Santa Claus. And we do some real
dark black can't take Santa Claus stuff. And what I
mean is we take our knowledge and we put it

(01:39:24):
on a system that is white. We put it on
a foundation that is white. Even in Pan African studies,
in African studies courses, we teach something really really black,
but our whole assessment, our whole engagement of students is
still on a white structure. And so when we take
that to research, it's the same thing. And what this

(01:39:46):
model does it takes research and put it on an
African ground and standing, which has not been done before.
All the research that we pretty much conduct, we use
their tools, their ways of doing things, their way of
validating research. And therefore and then we take back and

(01:40:08):
rooted in the African principles and epistemiologies and philosophies and approaches.
And this is why this uh Sankopa research model is
very important and significant and outa E.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
Bush. Why do you think this is needed right now
for young men and boys?

Speaker 16 (01:40:25):
Oh, it's it's critical because we are living with kind
of this multi generational sense that black men and boys
are the problem in the room, that somehow they are deficient,
and that we are that we are lacking, that our
behavior is pathological, and so it's important for us to
view black men and boys through the appropriate lens. There's

(01:40:48):
oftentimes conversations that say black men and boys are beyond love,
and so this is important because this book really is
a love story. Are old to black men? George Washington
call for our great scientists approach to research, which we
outline heavily in this book, says something that I think
is just powerful that really addresses your question directly. He says,

(01:41:10):
if you love something long enough, it will reveal its secrets.
If you love something long enough, it will reveal its secrets.
And we believe that we have inappropriately couched black men
and black boys because they haven't been loved enough. So
this books looks added through the story are the lens

(01:41:33):
of that if we look at black men and boys,
if we study them through the appropriate lens, which is
rooted in our culture, our traditions, and our values, that
their brilliance will be revealed, that our intellect would be revealed. Ultimately,
our power will be revealed, and therefore we'll bring about
healing of black men and boys.

Speaker 5 (01:41:53):
So that's all we said.

Speaker 16 (01:41:54):
Remember, black men and boys have been dismembered, so as
the goal of the researchers, the goal of the educator
to remember black men and boys and bring them back
to wholeness so we can operate in our true divinity,
our true masculinity, calling forth who we are and who
were called to be.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
You know, I just noticed it's doctor Nanna Bush and
doctor Edward Bush. You guys related.

Speaker 5 (01:42:20):
Oh yeah, he's my much older brother.

Speaker 19 (01:42:24):
That's like by three years. And really is just a
privilege to have a thought partner, think partner, that's your brother.
And through that, through that process, we've been able to
dig deep with each other and challenge each other. And
so most people are taking it back to find out
that there's.

Speaker 18 (01:42:43):
Two of us.

Speaker 19 (01:42:44):
But we enjoy doing this work together.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
Now it's fifteen at the top there. We gotta take
a break real soon. But family just join us. I
guess that doctor Nanna Bush, doctor Edward Bush, that they've
written a book that comes up with solutions for our
black men and young boys as well. The stuff that's
in this book as I haven't read the book yet,
is it taken from what you guys? Your life? You
know what you grew up living is and where did

(01:43:10):
you grow up? What part of the country.

Speaker 16 (01:43:14):
Yeah, we grew up in southern California in the city
called Pomona. Both our parents are from Columbus, Mississippi. I'm
the youngest of four siblings. I'm the only sibling that
was actually born in California. So we were born in California,
but very much raised like we were in Mississippi. So

(01:43:35):
of course, like we cannot write a book that's absent
of that experience. Is really was born out of that
love being seen and valued within that family structure by
our parents and our two older sister siblings.

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
So of course, like we pull from.

Speaker 16 (01:43:51):
That experience, but we also pull from our experience in
working with black men now for over thirty five years,
or doing rights to passage programs, leading black lead nonprofits
with a focus on black men. Of course, us as
educators inside and outside of the classroom. It's informed by that,

(01:44:13):
it's informed by our own relationship as well. So yeah,
we definitely pull from that upbringing and those experiences.

Speaker 19 (01:44:21):
Then we also see this does the vine work divine calling.
About fifteen or so years ago, I was training as
a traditional priest in Ghana, and I was there for
my graduation and I was supposed to have these series
of dreams to demonstrate that I was indeed called and
ready to graduate. But in the midst of these dreams,
there there was another dream. And I was passing a

(01:44:44):
classroom and I looked into this classroom and there was
a black boy slumped over in his desk. And I
go into the classroom and no one seemed to be
paying attention to him. So I drag his body to
the front of the room and place him on the desk,
and I shake him, I shake him, I shaking. He
doesn't wake up, and I shake him and I shaken

(01:45:04):
him some more, and it doesn't wake up. And then
I stood it all the way over his body and
raised my hand up in the air, and the light
of God went into my hand. And when he went
into my hand, I reached down into his chest and
I revived or rebursed that black boy. Now fast forward
to the end of the hold that story right there.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
We got to set use half a few months, said,
wyant't you give it to the climate of that story
when we get back eighteen minutes after top their family wet.
The Bush brothers, doctor Nanna Bush, doctor Edward Bush have
been a book of for a black man and young
bad boys. What are your thoughts? You can check in
on this conversation at eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take you phone
calls next and Grand Rising Family in Facts are rolling

(01:45:46):
with us on this Tuesday morning at Veterans Day twenty
twenty five. Of our guest we have doctor Nanna Bush,
doctor Edward Bush, and doctor Ami Gonzalez just joined us.
So we're talking about a book for Black boys and
young men. And I'm not sure who was speaking from
when you speak, just mention your name and so we'll
know who we are since it is radio. But finish

(01:46:07):
that story with tell us about that. Yes, I guess
it's the dream with the black boy.

Speaker 19 (01:46:11):
Yeah, so this is doctor Nan and I lost some
bush speaking, And so fast forward to this book. You
finished writing the book and we sent it into the
series editor Doctor Cyr mcgogle. He had a few changes
for center back to which gave us an opportunity to
add this last part of the book. I went to

(01:46:31):
bed that night and had another dream, and it was
thirty or four young black boys playing on the pray
play gound, and then three of them came and stat
in my lap, and they turned to me and said,
thank you, thank you for your work. So our purpose

(01:46:53):
given to us from God is clear that we have
come in this lifetime to remember and restore and rebirth
black boys and men. We have no doubt our work
here on this earth, and we've gone about doing that work,
and it can be felt in the lines of this book.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
And the title of the book.

Speaker 19 (01:47:16):
Sankofa research bodle rememory restoring and rebirthing black boys and men.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
All right, twenty three after top as I mentioned, doctor
Menzali has joined us as well. Hopeful'm pronounced them correctly,
Professor at UNIVERSI thank you, thank you your input into
this project.

Speaker 6 (01:47:41):
For me, I was helping the coach cifering process. Whenever
nine it would call, wheneverybrother, they would call, you know,
had an idea. I would help, you know, formulate that idea,
hash that out as best I could. And then they
tasked me with writing this chapter that kind of helps
conceptualize the book. Chapter four kind of brings the book
together and outlines the main points and main emphasis of

(01:48:01):
the text. So that was my task, really trying to
synthesize everything and put it in a way that's successible
to all the readers. So that's what I was tasked with.
I was armed to be about part of the project.
I was grateful for, you know, Universal Right Publishing for
allowing us to co cipher the text.

Speaker 5 (01:48:18):
So that was my input.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
But you just said, co Seifer, what do you mean
by co ratherin co authored a co edited What does
that mean, co Seifer.

Speaker 6 (01:48:27):
Yeah, that's a that's a great question, and it really
was our process. It was our methodology about coming together
and thinking about the text, right, you know, through phone calls,
through various text messages, just really coming together and bringing
our minds together, our intellects together, our conscience together, and
developing this book as a collective. You know, kind of
like in the hip hop community where you freestyling and

(01:48:49):
you call that a cipher, right, you kind of form
yourself in a circle in various MC's take the mic.
It was kind of that same premise, in that same
process where we you know, brought our thoughts together, brought
our energy together, most developed through that collective process.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
Twenty five the time dare I fumidly that starts to
admit with us, I'm just gonna stay with us first name. Also,
we have doctor Edward Bush and Tanana Bush as well,
and they've written a book. The title of the book
is Sankofer Research Model, Remembering, Restoring and Rebirthing Black Boys
and Men. Let me ask you, fellas and when you answer,
just mentioned your name. What age group are we talking
about now? When you say young boys and young young

(01:49:27):
black men? What age group is this book for anybody?

Speaker 16 (01:49:34):
Yeah, this age group is really really from from from
pre birth to after after death. It covers the lifespan
of black men and boys. So whatever age group of
Black men and boys you're you're interested into researching and

(01:49:54):
learning about, it is applicable to those particular.

Speaker 5 (01:49:58):
UH age groups.

Speaker 19 (01:50:01):
But when we we we are really straightforward.

Speaker 16 (01:50:03):
That it is a model to be applied to the
entire lifespan of black men and black boys.

Speaker 5 (01:50:09):
And this is doctor Edwards.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
Okay, and and uh doctor Anna. In the book you're
rite extensively about free Black thoughts, Free Black thoughts, help
us think through what that means, free Black thoughts.

Speaker 19 (01:50:24):
Yeah, we really take a lot of time to unpack
that and really uh give readers exercises to get to
what we call free Black thoughts. And this is thought that.

Speaker 5 (01:50:37):
It's beyond and before you know colonialism.

Speaker 19 (01:50:40):
And you know, one way you can think about it,
think about those first captured enslaved Africans and if you
had a chance to put a mic to them and
interview them and ask them their thoughts and ask what
they would want. You know, none of them would say, I,
you know, want to come to this country and have

(01:51:02):
the right to vote, or I want to be part
of your educational system, or anything like that, but at
that moment you would have free Black thought not compromised
by the conditions of where we are. This is thought
that comes from pear African consciousness with feer African countries.

(01:51:24):
In terms of what you would define as success, most
of our definitions, if not all, definitions of what we
consider to be success, have been compromised by our conditions
and our oppression here and our experiences in the United States.
But that's now how I free thinking African people would think,
And so that's what we mean. How would free African

(01:51:44):
people think and conceptualize the world and research and what
they would want from themselves and particularly black boys and men?

Speaker 16 (01:51:54):
Go ahead, yeah, and if I could found on that
powerful notion is off of this idea that much of
our identity are thinking, how we move, how we respond
has been in reaction to whiteness in white structures. So
even when we believe that we're operating from a more

(01:52:17):
progressive or radical or pro black stands, usually even in
those situations, we are responding to whiteness. And our identity
has been shaped by fighting against injustice and fighting against
racism that we haven't yet on the most part step
back to contemplate our identity outside of the right, gays,

(01:52:40):
other white lens. And so therefore much of what we
have theorized in response to whiteness has proven to be
deficit or what we call plantation, our cage scholarship. It's
like if you look to study a liion and you
only study alian based on their behavior in a zoo,

(01:53:00):
And that's what our work has been. That's what our
process has been, is to look at the lion and
try to explain the lions, if in the zoo, as
opposed in to their natural habitat. So we're trying to
disrupt our identity, are thinking our language constantly only reflecting
a response to whiteness, and centering our own experience within

(01:53:25):
how we was meant to exist in our divinity, within
our own nature, and to begin to look at us
through that particular free black thought.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
You know, that's interesting because later this week we're going
to have a clinician and psychologist, doctor Jeremy Fox, and
his book is entitled Addicted to White the Oppressed in
League with the oppressor, shame based alliance, And what you're
described is exactly that addiction to white folks. You know,
obliverin We don't know, but we haven't. We're all being
addicted to it, especially those who've lived in this country,

(01:53:58):
even though globally, you know, white supremacy, it's a global phenomena.
So that's interesting that you fellas with Flesh on a
different level. But let me ask you the Latimerry this
I don't know. I ask all three at thirty minutes,
half the top out, what do you think of a
major problems facing young black men, young black boys globally

(01:54:19):
and in this country today.

Speaker 6 (01:54:22):
Oh, that's a very profound question. I think if I
just think internationally and locally domestically, right, a true pure
sense of self, and I could tie that back to
that free radical black thought that doctor Donna was talking about. Right,
I don't believe by and large, and there's always those exceptions,

(01:54:42):
that our young black boys and our young black men
have a true sense of what it means to be black,
have a true sense of what it means to be African,
what it means to be the original people on this planet, right,
what it means to be the original philosopher versus the
original scientists, the original doctors. With that encompasses and with that,
with that it teils so part of this project is
to allow them to remember, not only like to recollect mentally,

(01:55:06):
but like put the pieces back together right, to allow
them to understand their divine right, to allow them to
understand their divine nature, to allow them to understand their
divine purpose why they're replaced on this planet. So so,
by and large, I believe that's what we're lacking as
a whole. And fortunately, I believe that this book and
it's offering seeks to fill that gap, you know. And

(01:55:27):
I do want to add and mentioned, while the focus
is on black boys and men, the theory is the methodologies,
the research approaches, they're applicable to black folks across the board.
You know, black women, black girls, all of that could
benefit from these research models. And truth be told, anybody
who is in the space with the black boys and
black men can benefit from this research model. But to

(01:55:50):
directly answer your question, right, by and large, we're lacking
a strong sense of self and again this text fills.

Speaker 16 (01:55:56):
That gap, all right, Benson, Yeah, chire men there, Like
I want to be really direct, you know, we said.

Speaker 19 (01:56:06):
What are the problems?

Speaker 16 (01:56:07):
What are the challenges black men?

Speaker 5 (01:56:08):
Boys and face?

Speaker 16 (01:56:09):
I want to you know, stay true to the theory
and kind of building off the analogies that are just made,
and we make it in the book around the lion.
If the lion was captured, then we asked what is
the problem with the lion, it would be clear. It
would be the hunter. The problem would be the zoo.
The problem would be.

Speaker 19 (01:56:30):
That they're captured.

Speaker 16 (01:56:31):
And so lions or captured would begin to exhibit certain
type of behavior as a result of their capture. Right,
they may not roar as loud, They may appear to
be sleepy and lethargic all the time, and we see
that when we visit a captive lion. Then we begin
to create a theory of why the lion is so lazy,

(01:56:52):
why the lion.

Speaker 5 (01:56:53):
Does in war.

Speaker 16 (01:56:54):
Then we try to create all these different reasons why
instead of going back to the source. The problem that
may mature challenge with black men is whiteness, is racism.
And so unless we go back, don't go back to
the source. We begin to begin to justify our gift

(01:57:15):
reason through our victimization that alleviates the responsibility of what
creative what we may call bad or maladaptive behavior are
are our failure. The problem with black men and boys
is whiteness and trying to live in systems and structures
that was not constructed for us.

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
Wow, we're going deep this morning, twenty six away from
the top, Doctor Manna Bush, your thoughts, what's the most
important promise in facing black men and young boys today?

Speaker 18 (01:57:45):
Yeah, I thank you.

Speaker 19 (01:57:46):
I want to just echo what brother Maria is saying
that the problem of remembering yes, yes, of course the
current context of where we are racism and oppression. But
as he suggests that African people, black men have been
on the planet way before anybody else, and we don't

(01:58:07):
even know how we are. And yet there has always
been this typical process of life going up and down
and challenges, and so this issue of race and racism
is just a current issue.

Speaker 18 (01:58:22):
For right now.

Speaker 19 (01:58:23):
But the process of resurrecting oneself has been the same
since the beginning of time. You have to be remember,
you have to bring yourself back together again, you have
to be restored and then rebirth anew. And so this
formula is good. What we're doing right now is going
to be good a thousand years from now, And it
was good in antiquity remembering one self, restoring one self

(01:58:49):
and rebirthing one stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:58:50):
We are some folks who want to talk to you.
Fella's twenty six Away from the Top Day always start
with Ray and Baltimore's online three Grand Rising, Ray, you're
under that panel.

Speaker 7 (01:58:58):
Grand Rising, Peace, Brothers. There's nothing better than hearing brilliant
black men come together with plans. That being said, and
if I miss this part of my apologies, Carl has
had world class guests that I include you all on

(01:59:19):
this show addressing my dilemma. My question to you all is,
how in the world can we be free in spite
of a rich historical and spiritual knowledge of who we
are and where we came from? How can we be
free in an economic system that is homicidal by nature?

(01:59:42):
Genocidal by nature doesn't even work for the people that
invented it, white people, that puts drug addicts and homeless
and elderly on second base, and one percent of them
a own eighty.

Speaker 9 (02:00:01):
Percent of all the wealth.

Speaker 7 (02:00:03):
So in spite of a spiritual liberation, how in the
world can we who fund, who help fund terrorism around
the world's black people through our text dollars? What kind
of freedom are we going to have in an economic
system that is psychotic, that's request.

Speaker 1 (02:00:24):
All right, and hold your response, fellas. We're going to
step aside for a few moments. Thanks Ray call Us
from Baltimore. As I mentioned, it's twenty three minutes away
from the top of the aisle. We got to take
a short but we come back. He's going to ask
those questions. We've got some more folks want to speak
to our guests, said doctor at Dr Bush. The two
doctor Bushes and doctor and Mary. But they've written a book,
interesting book felt. It's from a Black young man and
Black boys Sankofur research model, remembering, restoring and rebirthing Black

(02:00:48):
boys and man. That's the title of the book. As
I mentioned, we got to step aside for a few months.
We'll come back then weally address thus is. We'll respond
to race question and take the other calls right here
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.
Will do that next and Grand Rising family, thanks for
rolling with us on this Tuesday morning, Veterans Day twenty
twenty five with our guest doctor Nanna Bush, Doctor Edward Bush,

(02:01:09):
and doctor Amary. They've written a book about Sankofe is
dedicated for young Black boys and young Black men as well.
Before we left, Ray pose the question before they answer that,
let me just remind you they've got a note here
from a Tennessee State University. They're working with Mahara Medical
College where you could go to TSU for three years
and then go on to Mahara and finish to become
a medical doctor or a dentist in seven years instead

(02:01:31):
of traditional eight years. Now here's the deal. They have
enough females already signed up for this program, but so
far no black males. No black males. If you listen
to me anywhere from Voye, if you know any black
male who are high school seniors right now, I want
to become a medical doctor a dentist. And they have
twenty eight on the ACT and a three point five GPA.
There's possibly the possibly the free ride for them at

(02:01:53):
Tennessee State University. Then they go on to Mhara and
they just call Kevin at eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seveny six student Black students today because you
know at HBCUs now people don't look like us. They've
got taking up these spots in these professional schools. So
we need more. We need more black doctors and dentists
in this country because that's that's we need people to

(02:02:14):
look like us to take care of us. Anyway, Just
call Kevin at eight hundred and four five zero seventy
eight seventy six and I'm passive this information around before
we go back to the brothers. Also coming up late
this morning to speak with attorney and Kichi Taifa get
a reparations update. Later this week you can hear from
clinician and author doctor jerolmy Fox, an industrial psychologists doctor
ed with Nichols. All Right, fellas, who wants to you know,

(02:02:36):
respond to raise question? Especially was how can we be free?

Speaker 5 (02:02:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:02:42):
I'll track a raise question. But before I do, if
I can, I do want to plug an important thing
coming up this week. Matter of fact, this Thursday November thirteenth,
at a pm Eastern seventy pm Central time and five
pm Specific time, we'll be in conversation, I mean conscious
conversations about black boys and men with doctor G. K.

Speaker 5 (02:02:59):
Kuwitz.

Speaker 6 (02:03:00):
To resture for this event, it is online text the
word black v l a ck to seven seven zero
three zero nine six six sixty four once again, Thursday
November thirteenth, eight pm Eastern time, seven pm Central Time
at five pm West Coast time, A Conscious Conversations about
Black Boys and Men will be continuing this conversation with

(02:03:22):
doctor chik Akua. To resture for this event via zoom
text the word black to seven seven zero three zero
nine six six sixty four and to purchase the book
remember sant Go for Research Model Remembering Restoring and Rebirthing
Black Boys and Men. You could find that book at
Universal White Publications to their website is w sorry UWP

(02:03:44):
books dot com or on Amazon or bons and Nobles.
And again the book is titled Sankofur Research Model Remembering
Restoring and Rebirthing Black Boys and Men. That can be
found at Universal White Publications, uwpbooks dot Com or on
Amazon or Bodies and Nobles. So to get to raise
important question like how do we as black folks, you know,

(02:04:05):
liberate ourselves in spite of this hyper capitalistic society that
we're in. I think it's twofold and it's too pronged. Like,
as someone who believes in the acting in the practice
of revolution, I do believe that this capitalition system needs
to be upended. Right, But at the same time, there's
something that Ray said and he kind of brushed it
off right, Let's not diminish the power of spiritual liberation.

(02:04:28):
And I believe once we're able to kind of situate
ourselves spiritually and ground ourselves spiritually in who we are
as a people, in our spiritual practices and principles, that
overdetermined nature of capitalism, of their oppressive systems doesn't have
to feel so overdetermined. And I believe it kind of
goes back to what doctor now I was saying about
this radical free black thought, how do we live a

(02:04:48):
life and have an existence that's not so overdetermined by
white systems, by white norms, by white forms of currency.
And once that spiritual liberation takes place, it begins to
situation rate us in a way that we can start
to think about other forms of capital or other forms
of financial exchange. Not to say or not to diminish

(02:05:09):
the real practical oppression that we face under these systems,
but also at the same time not to overdetermine it,
because we don't want to diminish our ability to free ourselves.
Because what happens oftentimes is we get into this rut
where we think that these systems are so big and
cannot be dismantled that we don't see opportunities for freedom
to be told. If you look at the state of

(02:05:30):
the world now, especially the Western world, they're doing a
pretty good job themselves of dismantling their own system. As
a brother said, these systems don't even work for them, right,
And I believe as this becomes true, and as you
can see this through our political economy right now, people
are realizing that this is the case, that this is
not sustainable and it's going to offend itself. But I'm
all for the active participation in the you know, being

(02:05:53):
very conscious about knocking the system down. But at the
same time, there's something that we have internally that does
not require arrest to be dependent or reliant on their
systems or overdetermined the power of their systems. We can
do without it. We can exist without it, and I
start with liberating ourselves spiritually.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
Got youa fourteen away from the top. Some mother folks
want to talk to you, fellas Bob's calling us from
Buffalo is on line four. Grant Riights and Bobby are
on with doctor Nana Bush, Doctor Edward Bush, and doctor Amiry.

Speaker 12 (02:06:25):
Yes, sir, I'm enjoying the conversation. My question is how
we keep from being used by the system that has
captured us and be more liberation minded, so that you
can be a soldier but not be captivated by the

(02:06:46):
orders of others.

Speaker 5 (02:06:48):
Brother called about how.

Speaker 20 (02:06:51):
The soldiers were used to fight against the native people.
But I'm not sure I'm making myself clear not how
can we be liberation minded in terms of our people
and not be captivated by this system that has encaptured us.
I'm not sure if I'm being clear or not.

Speaker 19 (02:07:13):
To us being very clear.

Speaker 5 (02:07:15):
So how this plays out?

Speaker 19 (02:07:17):
In the book, we say that the schooling system is
equal to church and has the same obligation, That schooling
is a spirit possession mechanism, that when we go to school,
that it is a process of putting a white spirit

(02:07:42):
agent in us, put in their system and their ways
in us. That's what schooling is for. Is equal to
the church. That from antiquity to very recently nothing all
churches and schools work together, so they have the same obligation.
It was a spiritual phenomena, and so to block this

(02:08:05):
spiritual phenomenon, there's certain things that have to take place,
Like to name something is to give it dominion over it.
And so keeping our African names. To speak somebody else's
language is to take in their spirit. So to speak

(02:08:26):
African language, where we worship, where we go to churches,
we have to go to churches that are built on
African principles with African deities. If not, that's another space
where their system gets in us. When we eat their food.
Food and cooking is a spiritual phenomenon, So to eat

(02:08:47):
the enemy's food is another place where we get their
system and their spirit within us. So we can fight
actively against the system by just practicing those few things.
When we sleep with the enemy, that's another way.

Speaker 21 (02:09:02):
It's a spiritual transaction to have been a relationship with
somebody else, and so when we sleep with the enemy
and invite that spirit in us as well. So there's
some very practical steps to keep their system outside of us.
And we lay this out in the text.

Speaker 1 (02:09:21):
Yeah, ten away from the top of that fellas matter,
how are we going to do that? Especially when it
comes to religion. Some of us are bought into this
religion and at the end of the region, it's it's
a white God at the end of the religion, and
we believe it because they say that the message was
coming from God and we were so we were more
religious than many white folks. You know when it comes
to that, you know, well, Christians were the first ones.

(02:09:42):
We want to celebrate Christmas anyway, and all religions are
man made. How are we going to divorce ourselves from
from religion to move to spirituality? Anyone can respond to that?

Speaker 16 (02:09:55):
Yeah, that is a just a doctor edw I mean,
that's that's a deep, deep question. I mean myself, it
is ordained Christian minister I have. I have been ordained,
I have operated in that office, and I know how
deeply black folks are tied to Christianity. I have a

(02:10:18):
sense of how deep black folks are tied to Islam,
and I think sometimes trying to get them to convert,
to change, to adopt a more African center, traditional African
spiritual religion is going to be quite difficult because of
all of the conditioning that we have been through. But

(02:10:41):
I think one of the steps is that we can
highlight the africanity that is this even within their current
religious practices of Islam and Christianity, to be able to
make the connection to to scripture and ancient African text,
to look at how we worship and make that connection

(02:11:01):
to shouting in church, to the ring shout in the
African tradition. So I think there's a way to crosswalk
this for our brothers and sisters that quote unquote are
in church, so they can realize that they actually have
been practicing some form of African religion and African spirituality already.
The rituals rituals for Black people and African people are essential.

(02:11:25):
There's not many places we can go and we perform rituals,
but rituals are performed in church. Everything goes Sunday and
sometimes Wednesday and sometimes Tuesday, Thursdays and Fridays. And so
how can we use the power of Black people coming
together even in a church and tap into those rituals
and be able to talk about the significance of those

(02:11:48):
from an African perspective. So I think there's a way
to bring folks along see those connections and that would
leave them closer to tapping into African spirituality and Africans thought.

Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
All right. Eight away from the top of that family,
we have doctor Nana Bush, doctor e Bush, Edward Bush
and and doctor Emiir And they've written a book called
Sankofer Research Model. And that's the title and the subtitle
and remembering, restoring and rebirthing Black boys and men, any
of us joining us from Chapel Hill in North Carolina.
She's online five Grand Rising and you're on with that panel.

Speaker 12 (02:12:23):
Grand Rising.

Speaker 9 (02:12:25):
How is everyone.

Speaker 5 (02:12:27):
Great?

Speaker 19 (02:12:28):
How are you doing, sir?

Speaker 15 (02:12:29):
I'm Jorg fine.

Speaker 21 (02:12:30):
We all.

Speaker 15 (02:12:34):
That's good, and you're you're sounding very well and you
have a lot of content and you're changing the language
in a very great way. We know we kept out
of education for a reason. But individual birth, God gives
your own individual identity with you know, genes from parents. Okay,
there's a history. Other people can't erase that if that's

(02:12:57):
why they're tracing DNA now. And we also have to
when we intermarry with other people. We have to be
equally yoked. Christ said that, okay, be equally yoked with
people that understand truth. Okay, And from my understand, the
Caucasians don't deal with truth. He deal with fantasy, Disney

(02:13:19):
and dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are good, but you know they're not
here today. But and then if you were dressing and
you put on a jacket and someone else has the
same jacket, you would notice the creases in the arms
was different. You would notice it might smell different. And
he said, no, it's my coat. But if you walk
around in someone else's coat, you're gonna keep it saying
there's something wrong with this coat. And that's how I

(02:13:41):
felt about white people's knowledge in school. When I was
in public school, I'm like, I don't relate to this,
and I didn't hear anything African, and I couldn't relate
to Rome, Italy, Greece, France. You know, I couldn't relate.
I just turned off. And God blessed me to me
that American Indian who was Irish mixed with American Indian
and German, and he told me a whole bunch of history.

(02:14:01):
So God will give you back. Like you say, you
put those four birds all over the world and they'll
all come back. We're all going to come to the
right truth, including the white man's the black men. You're
doing great, You're doing great. You're holding down God's original
covenant with men before Adam and Eve broke it and
all of that. You're restoring that and giving women dignity

(02:14:21):
by allowing your women to go to school. And you
know what, I'm saying you're doing that and you're paying
for it. You paid for the white woman's education, make
her accountable for that. You make the black women accountable
for that. She can't run around here and act like
all she can do is be Kim Kardashian around here
and then say that's God's example. That is not God's example.

Speaker 8 (02:14:43):
Okay, very good, very good.

Speaker 19 (02:14:45):
The thing that really sticks out for me, and how
it relates to this book is how you felt in school,
and Memory talked about that schooling is a spirit possession process.
We're saying you and black boys and men in particular
rightfully soul.

Speaker 22 (02:15:02):
Reject this spiritual process. They rejected so they cut up
in school, they sagged their pants, they come with tattoos,
they come with quote unquote ghetto names or really African names,
all to reject this spiritual process of being possessed by

(02:15:24):
another spirit. But then we cold look at these black
boys and say what's wrong with them?

Speaker 21 (02:15:28):
No, they're absolutely correct, Just like you. Nobody with free
black thoughts should be able to sit in a classroom
that is trying to take that spirit. They should absolutely
tear up that classroom.

Speaker 15 (02:15:44):
Can I say my thing real quick? Yes, emam Wallace
Dain Muhammad, Elija Muhammad's son that took over outside of
what Minister Farkham was doing. He said, white men were
in caves when we were building civilizations. Why would we
go back?

Speaker 1 (02:16:03):
Is Anita still there?

Speaker 15 (02:16:05):
I'm still here.

Speaker 1 (02:16:07):
Go ahead and finish your thought real quickly. We will
to take a break.

Speaker 19 (02:16:09):
That was it.

Speaker 15 (02:16:10):
I guess he was trying to ask us why would
we go backwards? And he also told me about Turkey
at the end. About three weeks before he passed, I
saw him and he said that I suppose he gonna
say something about the Middle East, and he said, yeah,
Turkey is gonna have wants to have something to do
with the peace process. Okay of the Middle East. Okay.
So Eric Adams is dealing with the people from Turkey

(02:16:32):
and all of a sudden he's kicked out of office.
We gotta stop letting them deny us that we understand
what truth is, and that black men know how to
work with other people.

Speaker 17 (02:16:40):
White men just.

Speaker 15 (02:16:41):
Destroy things and that's their history and their returning to it.
Hey work for no.

Speaker 1 (02:16:46):
Pay right, And I thank you for your thought, and
I'll let the brothers respond when we get back. It's
three months away from the top of the house, the
top of our family. We've got to take a break
so our stations can identify themselves down the line. We
come back. We speak with doctor Na Bush, Doctor Edward Bush,
and doctor Amery right here eight hundred and four five
zero seventy eight, seveny six. If you have a question
from them, and we'll take your questions next and Ryan

(02:17:07):
Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this Tuesday morning,
Veterans Day at twenty twenty five. Of our guests two
three brothers. You know, let me get straight, doctor Nana
Bush and doctor Edward Bush and doctor Amry. They've written
the book titled Sankova Research Model, Remembering, Restoring and Rebirthing
Black Boys and Men. I'll let you fellas respond to

(02:17:28):
Sister Anita's question and then tell us why you chose
the name Sankova of the title of the book.

Speaker 6 (02:17:34):
Absolutely, thank you, Carl, real quick though. Before I get
to that, I just want to re emphasize we are
having a free event and that's this Thursday of their
team eight pm Eastern time, seven pms Central time at
five pm Pacific time. Constant conversations about black boys and
men with doctor Chikakua. To register for this free event,
text the work black to seven seven zero to be

(02:17:57):
zero nine six six sixty four and to purchase the books.
We can find that at Universal White Publications UWP books
dot Com or on Amazon as well as Barnes and
Nobles to get to Since the neatest question, I want
to kind of reemphasize something doctor namposed in the sense
of getting out of their schools. And I do want

(02:18:18):
to give credit to the fact that this is like
a very nuanced argument that we're making. But keep in mind, right,
these are three individuals who have PhDs, so we ascended
the heights of their education or their schooling system. But
I think it helped kind of bring this notion to crystallization.
We think of a distinction or delineation between schooling and education,

(02:18:40):
right and quite literally, as echoed by the words of Anita,
how that information that she received in school did not
resonate with her spirit. That's part of this process of
schooling which we define, which we understand as like a
system that's intended to maintain this white structure, to maintain
these white norms, maintaining these white values, to maintain this

(02:19:01):
spirit of eurocentricity in whiteness, right, Whereas education, which is
vastly different, is allowed to in design to tap into
the spiritual divinity of the learner. It's designed to pass
down the cultural specificities and nuances from one generation to
the next.

Speaker 18 (02:19:17):
Right.

Speaker 6 (02:19:18):
So, what we often find when looking at the experiences
of black boys and men in their systems of schooling
is black boys and men have a deep problem with school.
I myself, who has a PhD, I graduated high school
but at at one point seventies five GPA because I
did not couldn't stand being in school. But I deeply

(02:19:38):
loved education and what we're offering up for us as
a means to deal with the white folks madness is education.
The education that affirms their history, that affirms their culture,
that affirms their spirits, that it stills a African spirit
into them. This is how we counter what their offering
that has been harmful to us. You know, for me,
why I was so drawn to this project. I thought

(02:20:01):
of it as a way to kind of counter all
of the harmful practices and experiences that have been done
to black boys and men within the confines of their
schooling and offer them a modality of education that is liberal,
that's liberating in swings and allows for these ideas of
black dots that are not tethered to system of oppression.

Speaker 1 (02:20:21):
Well, first let me thank you fellas for doing this book.
It's needed, it's well needed. You know, there's we have
some certain we have, you know, a lot of problems
in our committee, especially with black men, and I think
we need to fix because the systems seem to be
on the correct path in many areas that they seem
to be doing. You know, you guys are almost an anomaly. Yeah,
I got PhDs and we're talking about we're trying to

(02:20:43):
get students to get to go to uh the Tsu
and Maharry on a free ride and they can't find
any black students, you know, for mental doctors and medical
uh doctors as well, and that's an issue, you know.
But you guys, you're out of that name shot because
she went on and got your PhDs. And we're still

(02:21:05):
looking for more brothers to be more professionally when it
comes to colleges because the sisters are there already, and
maybe it's a question we can ask the sister and
Kishi Tafa when she comes on because she's an attorney.
She's up next. But I thank you guys for doing that,
and thank you for writing the book. But I know
you have an event coming up you want to share
that with us with doctor chi k A Coua.

Speaker 6 (02:21:27):
Yes, thanks Carl. The event again, it's this Thursday, November thirteenth,
eight pm Eastern Standard time, seven pm Central Standard time,
and then five pm Pacific Standard time. It is a
three zoom event. The events titled Conscious Conversations about Black
Boys and Men with myself, doctor Edward Bush, doctor Nina
last and Bush, and doctor chi k At Coua. To

(02:21:48):
register for this three event, text the word black to
the phone number seven seven zero three zero nine six
six sixty four. Once again, this Thursday, November thirteenth a
pm Eastern, seven pm Central and five pm Pacific time,
we'll have a Conscious Conversation about Black Boys and Men
with doctor Chikkua. To rest here for this free zoom event,

(02:22:10):
text the word black to seven seven zero three zero
nine sixty six sixty four and one more time. You
purchased the book, you can find it at Universal Right Publications,
UWP books dot com, or on Amazon or Bons and Nobles.

Speaker 1 (02:22:24):
All right, thank you, doctor Mary Thank you doctor Nanna Bush,
thank you doctor Edward Bush, and thank you again for
writing this book.

Speaker 6 (02:22:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:22:31):
Thanks for having us on the show.

Speaker 19 (02:22:32):
We appreciate it so much.

Speaker 1 (02:22:34):
Hey, and thanks againting up because you guys areut in
southern California, so thank you for getting up early in
joining us this morning.

Speaker 12 (02:22:39):
Thank you absolutely, I've read it alrighty.

Speaker 1 (02:22:42):
Family, six half of toime. I turn attention that to
attorney and Kish Taifi attorney and Cashi tag Efa. Welcome
back to the program.

Speaker 15 (02:22:51):
I was glad to be with you.

Speaker 23 (02:22:53):
Cal Nelson. How are you.

Speaker 1 (02:22:55):
I'm still learning. I learned so much stuff this morning.
It's incredible, Like different classes just go rapidly, just you know,
left and right learning stuff. But I want to ask
you a question because I mentioned to these brothers they're
all professionals, they all got PhDs, they're in southern California.
They've written a book about black boys, and we talked
about this earlier that it seems to be no parody

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or a lack of parody because one of these schools
are looking for black professionals.

Speaker 6 (02:23:25):
Men.

Speaker 1 (02:23:25):
They've got enough sisters who were going on to grad school,
going on to professional schools. But the men seem to
be to be lacking, and we talked about that earlier.
A couple of times. We talked about at Howard and
there's so many sisters going basically just going to college.
Brothers are not going to college. I'm want to get
your thoughts to that. Is this something you ever thought
about as an issue in our community?

Speaker 23 (02:23:47):
Well, I guess you could say everything relates back to
the enslavement error in post enslavement, Jim call part ti discrimination,
And I think it was systemic and it was designed to.

Speaker 15 (02:23:58):
Go after black men, to go after.

Speaker 23 (02:24:01):
Our fathers, our brothers, our uncles and the like. Goes
back to the time when it was fatal for a
black man to be able to do what any man
would do in terms of defending their family, defending their
loved ones, standing there watching their wives being raped, their
daughters being raped. I mean this was systematically, uh drilled

(02:24:24):
and instilled within us, and it is thought to masculate
I guess you could say black men. So I'm not
a psychologist, so I can't say just ABC one two three,
just how that manifests with respect to issues that are
happening today. But that is the whole reason and purpose

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of repair reparations, the purpose of these studies and commissions
going on across the country to look at the impact
of the enslavement, eraror and post enslavements, degradation and can
at the dot and there are dots there connected with
exactly what you're saying with respecting black.

Speaker 15 (02:25:06):
Men and not just black men.

Speaker 23 (02:25:08):
I mean, we all the black family faces devastations from
that whole period. So I just say it's all connected,
all and we just need to make sure that we're
on our ps and qs to be able to connect
those stops.

Speaker 1 (02:25:26):
Yeah, I'm thank you for Sharon. You're right, it's all connected.
And you know, we'll get some psychologists in here, probably
doctor Nichols or doctor Fox to flesh that out for us.
But let's talk about reparations, because that's not what you're
here for.

Speaker 23 (02:25:39):
I know it's all good because absolutely before we even
get to that, it's even related to that. Just being
veterans day. I just want to make a little connection there,
you know, if I may, because we don't often think
about veterans with respect to our We speak about in
terms of the Civil War and the things that your
guests are we're talking about But let me just say this,

(02:26:02):
Carl Nelson, the bold successful liberation of Assibership Corps on
a modern day underground Bailboa. It touched my soul. It's
one of the most daring revolutionary actions imaginable, and it
wor was veterans. And when I say veterans, I'm not
talking about veterans of the United States Army or the
Marines or the Headport. I'm talking about veterans of the

(02:26:23):
Black Liberation Army that free sister Assada Shakur from unjust imprisonment.
But when we talk about veterans, we don't necessarily think
about modern day folks who were fighting for freedom, for
Black liberation, New African independence movement in the light, who
ripped their lives really for many things that we don't

(02:26:46):
even necessarily know about. What we do know about the
liberation of Assader Shakur, who was just recently, uh you know,
passed on to the to the ancestral realm. So I
just want to say many people talking about you know
it's outa and say, it's our duty to fight for
our freedom, minut it's our duty to when we must
love each other and respect each other, we have nothing

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to lose but our change. But we don't necessarily celebrate
the resistance of the liberation movement or the warriors, the
veterans of the Black Liberation Army that she was a
part of that miss everything too for her. I just
wanted to, uh, to to put that little tippic in,
particularly today as we're honoring veterans, we need to honorate

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people like doctor Mattulu Shakur, people like our brother sekul Odinga,
people like Maryland Buck, you know Bilaudlum So all these
are answers now, Geronimo Jijaga, Uh, you know Frad Suniada Kohlei,
you know who is still living with us who were
victims of the war got the United States government was

(02:27:53):
waging against black people under the guides of the cointelpro
there one secret illegal program to disrupt and destroyed communities
counter intelligence program. So all that was part of the
war that black men and women, black women and also
white men black women. You know, revolutionaries took up arms to.

Speaker 15 (02:28:14):
Fight again.

Speaker 23 (02:28:15):
So I just wanted to pick that little bit in
if we're talking about reparations, because it's even related to reparations,
because Carl, most folks don't realize that the nineteen eighty
eight Civil Liberties at which granted reparations to Japanese Americans.
One of the provisions of that act was a pardon

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for all those who resisted detention camp internment during World
War Too. I eat people who were fighting against depression.
I eat you know, political you know prisoners, and people
who are fighting were warriors against you know. So I
say it all kind of connects, and we need to
make those connections whenever and.

Speaker 15 (02:28:57):
Wherever we can.

Speaker 1 (02:29:00):
You have to tell their family just checking out at
tourney and kase tayfez with us. So do you think
it's deliberate the why why we don't make those connections?
And when we see them like, oh, those are them folks?
They're folks, you know that they're not We're not like that.
Is that a deliberate move by the oppression?

Speaker 12 (02:29:16):
Well?

Speaker 23 (02:29:16):
I think part of this is part and part of
the reason why they don't want us to learn history. Okay,
they don't want us to connect the dots between what
is happening in the past and what is happening right
here right now today. And I'm not even talking about
the distant past. You know, they don't want us to
know that we are and have been fighting for our

(02:29:36):
liberation as well. They don't want us to know these names.

Speaker 16 (02:29:39):
I mean, I.

Speaker 23 (02:29:42):
Was arrested in front of the South African Embassy, you know,
way back in the day with Dick Gregory and Jesse
Jackson and all of them protesting apartheid in South Africa
and protesting the further imprisonment of Nelson Mandela. So we
knew about Nelson Mandela all over the you know, the
news of global you know, et cetera. But we didn't

(02:30:05):
know about our old freedom fighters during the same period
of time in this country that we're fighting for our
liberation again, people who are part of the Black liberation Army,
the black you know underground. And there was deliberate reasons
why we don't know about these or we only hear
about them when people get arrested. And yes, I assisted

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in the legal representation of some of these people as well.
But there is a concerted effort for us not to
know about what is going on right here, right now today,
not to have us influenced, not to have us know
that we have a liberation struggle going on right here,
that we have a reparation struggle going on right here,

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just like everywhere else in.

Speaker 15 (02:30:51):
You know, in the world. So yeah, I think it's deliberate,
and that is.

Speaker 23 (02:30:55):
One of the primary reasons why we must fight against
these attacks on g EI, diversity atty inclusive, fight back
against these attacks on a reporations, fight back on against
these attack on you know, taking two history uh, you
know out of the school. So yeah, it's deliberate, and

(02:31:16):
we need to I mean, I know, vocus bad word,
but we need to say votes. I mean, who wants
to be sleep? I mean the way they even turn language,
you know, against us, and we always seem to fall
for the okie doke.

Speaker 1 (02:31:30):
Yeah. Fifteen other topic, it's just stay in caase you
he said, Do you think that's that's deliberate?

Speaker 6 (02:31:34):
Though?

Speaker 1 (02:31:34):
How do we and what do we do with the
people who look like us who are fighting for them,
who are selling us out. You talked about Cointelpro, those
misguided brothers and sisters who are involved in that issue,
And today we have this coin tail Pro who's still
working today. As we've learned, they're still using it because
it was so successful. They just don't give it that name.

(02:31:56):
But they still have people who's selling us out. Who
work for the other folks. How do we deal with
those folks. I'm looking at the clock here. We got
to step aside for a few moments, so we come back.
I'll let you respond to that too. Family, you want
to join this conversation with our guests. She's an attorney
in Washington, DC. Her name is saying ki Chi Taifa.
Or you want to talk about reparation, so what we're
talking about freedom for our people. You can reach us

(02:32:17):
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take all your phone calls next and
grind rising. Family, Thanks are staying with us on this
Tuesday morning, Veterans Day twenty twenty five with our guest
attorney and ki Chi Taifa. Before we left, we talked
about our struggle, you know, and the fact that we
still have people involved in the Cointail program, we sell
outs agents working against us. And the question is what

(02:32:39):
do we do with them? Do we ignore them? Or
somebody tweeting during the brig systay in case we should
hand them the necklace. And you know what that means.

Speaker 15 (02:32:48):
I know exactly what I know.

Speaker 1 (02:32:50):
You know what it means to chuckle and I saw that.
So how do we deal with them though?

Speaker 23 (02:32:55):
Oh well, first of all, we just got to realize
that that is a phenomenon, that is that exists, that
has existed and will continue to exist. I mean, I
just remember back in the enslavement period. You don't know
a lot a lot about me, Carl, but I used
to do my children's books and stories and all like that,

(02:33:16):
and poems, and I did one of demark DC. And
the reason why they had rebellion. That labor insurrection of
eighteen twenty two led by the Great emancipateda DeMar VC
failed was because of a house lady went and told
all of the plans. Even though there were nine thousand
black folks united to take over South Carolina.

Speaker 15 (02:33:35):
Okay, it was spoiled.

Speaker 23 (02:33:37):
So again then in the cointelpoa. You know, those who saw,
I'm thought what it was. It called the Judas and
the Black Messiah. You know the Hollywood movie about the
Fred Hampton assassination. Know again, the person that pinpointed the
actual spot where Fred Hampton and was sleeping, and that

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been December fourth, nineteen sixteen, down in Chicago, was a
black person. And you know FBI in in format and
so you're right, it did not end. It still continues today.

Speaker 15 (02:34:09):
But what do we do about it?

Speaker 23 (02:34:10):
We need to recognize that it uh, that it exists,
and we need to just be united in all of
the ways and with all the people that we can
in fact be united, uh with so that so so
that those who are turncoats do not foil our plans.
When we talk about turncoats, I mean, you know, the
government shutdown is still going on. We know about the

(02:34:32):
eight damns that buck, the poly, the the party discipline
and you know kind of caved in, which I think
it's gonna have.

Speaker 15 (02:34:43):
A lot of repercussions to.

Speaker 23 (02:34:45):
Come, even though in the short term and might we
have exact uh tended to unexacerbate certain things in the
long term. Uh again, how can we stand united has
won and when such grave issues are at stake? I
think that that is the challenge. I would say that

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is for us.

Speaker 15 (02:35:10):
But the right spot is, Okay, we are still fighting,
We are still doing the things.

Speaker 23 (02:35:18):
That are necessary to move the movement forward. You know,
there was the successful election in New York day of
Man and who supports the issue of reparations. Actually the
only major candidate in UH in.

Speaker 15 (02:35:39):
New York who.

Speaker 23 (02:35:41):
You know supports it and supported it. But again, all
of this is it's information. We you know, a lot
of people don't know that New York City used enslaved
African labor, doing it when it originated as a Dutch
settlement in the early sixteen hundreds. Many people don't realize
that New York City by the early seventeen have one

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of the largest slave populations of any city or settlement
amongst the colonies, nearly forty percent of households in New
York US and slave labor. Many people don't realize the Central.

Speaker 24 (02:36:17):
Park in New York was also a thriving block community
that was bulldozed over. People were scattered all over to
be able to build Central Park. So we're talking about
in the north, not even in the south. So the
fact that New York State and New York City both

(02:36:37):
have reparations commissions and the current mayor of New York
City supports is reparations is showing that this issue is
not going away. The issue of reparation city is accelerating,
and if these measures passed, New York will be the
first major largest US city to actually look at this

(02:36:59):
issue of rations for enslavement, and it's legacies that continue
all the way down through to today in all areas.
Whether it's a black white wealth gap, whether it's count disparities,
whether there's educational and equities, whether it's you know, cultural
deprivations and all like that. All of those are issues.

Speaker 23 (02:37:18):
Everything is round up and combined and to repair in
amends for that period then and what's going on today now?

Speaker 1 (02:37:28):
I got you twenty five out of the top down
with the attorney An Kischi Taifa family. You want to
speak to eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six. I'm glad you mentioned Mondamie supports reparations.
People don't know that about him. They just want to
focus on democratic socialism and they're locked into the last
words socialism, which and somehow people have told on socialism
is communist and which is not true. But let's go

(02:37:51):
back to reparations though, Attorney Taifa. Some people think that
we're not going to get reparations that we don't deserve,
and they look like me in you that we're not
going to deserve we don't deserve it. I'll give you
a name. I'm Sean Williams. It's just back in the day.
This is before all of this stuff, you know, with
the attack on us, just back in the maybe the eighties,

(02:38:11):
and he was on the radio saying that we can
we shouldn't get We're not going to get reparations because
it would bankrupt their country because not if money in
the federal treasury to pay us for what they did
to us. I want to get your reaction to that.

Speaker 23 (02:38:27):
Okay, let me just say this first. No amount of
monetary compensation can ever fully compensate for what we have
been through as a people. Nothing, no amount. That is
why when I talk about reparations, I always talk about
a negotiator supplement. It is a settlement. I'm a lawyer,
just like in the in the in the law, you know,
two parties come together and then they make a settlement

(02:38:48):
as to what the the vpair you know, is going
to be.

Speaker 15 (02:38:53):
And that's what we're really talking about, and that's what
we're looking at.

Speaker 23 (02:38:56):
Many people don't realize, and this is another issue of
this thing about history, that reparations is not a fringe issue.
It's not something that just dropped from the sky. It's
not something that the United States does not know anything
about through the United States has been very much involved
in the issue of reparations for other people's okay, but
not for.

Speaker 15 (02:39:17):
And not for us.

Speaker 23 (02:39:18):
I mean even I was just just the other day,
you know, Trump issuing all these companies or media, the
affiliations and all like that for billions of dollars because
he feels that he was wronged. And I'm fairly you know, whatever,
whatever course of granting this, that's a form of preparations.
I mean, I'm just saying he cannotnderstand it for himself.

(02:39:40):
He himself called for reparations for the January sixth what insurrectionists, okay, don't.

Speaker 15 (02:39:46):
Why not for us?

Speaker 23 (02:39:47):
Globally all over the world, Okay, oppressed people are rising
up and talking about you know, talking about reparations. But
if we don't know that in nineteen eighty eighty Japanese
Americans we reparations. If we don't know that the United
States was very much involved in assisting with the reparations

(02:40:08):
settlements in uh uh, you know, against Nazi Germany. If
we don't know these things, then yes, then we feel
that it's not something that we deserve, or it's not
something that we are able to obtain or anything along
these lines. Carl, I'm not an economists, but I mean
you can have the economists one that can really talk

(02:40:29):
about Yeah, no, it's not going to bankrupt the United
States trustry. Nothing else is bankruptives Hawaiians when we talk
about our amen's and our repair. This to talk about,
you know, bankrupting. I mean, there's all articles written about
how all that. I'm not an economists, I'm not gonna
go into that part. But the advance is no, we

(02:40:49):
are entitled, just like we other group of people are
entitled to this, and we must recognize that it's not
a handout.

Speaker 15 (02:40:57):
Okay, it is.

Speaker 23 (02:40:59):
It is it is just, and it is due. And
every day it seems like more and more instances of
for atrocities from the past and the president are being uncovered.
What I call opening up those caskets like made me
tell Moby, the mother of em Mitel talking about opened
up the casket so that the world can see what

(02:41:20):
America did to his son. We need to continuously open
up these caskets all across the country so that we
know of the full story. Just yesterday, I didn't even
realize November tenth, I think the year was eighteen ninety eight.
What's the whole devastation in Wilmington, North Carolina when the

(02:41:43):
hotel all black folks, the professional black folk, were ordered
to leave behind their home, to.

Speaker 15 (02:41:49):
Leave their.

Speaker 23 (02:41:52):
You know, their their families and professions, their their businesses,
and get the hell out of town or else they
would be lynched.

Speaker 15 (02:41:59):
I mean, we don't know.

Speaker 23 (02:42:00):
About these things, okay, but we need to know. We
need to understand the just extent of the harm that
was done to us as a people, the harm that
actually still goes through our veins as a result of
what is a epigenetics. You know, you got to get
your health. People want to talk about that, but yeah,

(02:42:21):
we are due, we are owed, and the reparations movement
is helping to uncover a lot of these things from
you know, all over the country, there are commissions and
task forces that are propping up. It's one back there
in dreaming about Maryland and Baltimore there and in the
state of Maryland. Unfortunately, the governor vetoed the reparations task sports,

(02:42:45):
but we're still moving forward and hopefully that veto will
be overturned. So all over the country people are talking
about this issue and digging up taskets in their own backyards.
I eve state and city backyards got.

Speaker 1 (02:43:03):
You thirty minutes. I have a top value mentioned Baltimore money.
Mike's checking in from Baltimore is online one grand rising money. Mike,
your own attorney and Kichi taifa.

Speaker 17 (02:43:14):
Good morning, call, Good morning attorney. How y'all doing this morning?

Speaker 23 (02:43:18):
Good morning? How are you?

Speaker 17 (02:43:21):
Good morning, ma'am? Good morning. Look. I love your enthusiasm,
but I got a couple of questions. First, the Native
Americans received somewhat reparations, but every day Saturday and Sunday
morning American American TV, it showed what they did to
those people over and over. It drilled into our minds,

(02:43:42):
our psyche, that have we murdered these people? We slaughtered them.
Then with the Japanese Americans at that time, they held
the US debt, they were like trying to hold then
ow debt. So the Japanese used that as a weapon
and they weaponized the Congress and the Senate and then
and the presidency, and they told them we're gonna crash

(02:44:02):
your economy, We're gonna call in the bonds. Now, my
point is is that we don't show America what they
did wrong. She has proctities that existed, and we have
failed to weaponize the only true weapon that we have,
and that's economics. So if we don't bankrupt this country
either through boycotting and lottery boycott and Thanksgiving a boycott

(02:44:25):
and Christmas and shutting this economy down, this economy got
started again or it's on the break of starting again.
Only because this country is gonna have an economic decline
with the shutdown. That's gonna affect Thanksgiving and Christmas, and
it affects the corporations that are currently in the red
and their only hope of being in the black is
to have Thanksgiving and Christmas. So I encourage you for reparations,

(02:44:49):
but how can we economically or what's our real legitimate
plans for getting reparations? How are we gonna hold their
feet to the fire. How are we going to make
them do it?

Speaker 5 (02:45:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (02:45:06):
Yet, Mike, I appreciate your your comments and you said,
you know, you appreciate a reparations, But I guess my
thing is, it's not a butt.

Speaker 15 (02:45:17):
It's all connected.

Speaker 23 (02:45:19):
Okay, Yeah, we're talking about boycotting. There's a lot going
one uh with reflected that, But we need to be
united as a people in order to really make it
work and make it work whole, you know, our wholesale.
So I welcome you to you know, get more involved
in the reparations and movement and bring your enthusiasm and

(02:45:41):
your ideas, uh for how we can make this work
to the to this particular movement. So again, thank you
for your for your comments.

Speaker 1 (02:45:52):
Yeah, he measure saying we don't have any leverage. But
we do have leverage, don't we Because you mentioned that,
you know, you know, I guess I want to say boycott,
but selected buying around the holidays that could work. You
think that would bring do you think that would get
their attention?

Speaker 23 (02:46:10):
We have leverage if we work together as one. It
can't just be a couple of people out there. What
shut down the Montgomery Brooke Busway County nineteen fifty five
was that the whole community brought into it and there
was an infrastructure set up so that people did not
have to buy the buses. There were carpools, there were horses,

(02:46:35):
there were mules, there were buggies, there were you know,
all different ways in which people could get to where
they needed to go because the community was united.

Speaker 24 (02:46:43):
So, yes, we have leverage.

Speaker 4 (02:46:45):
We have leverage.

Speaker 23 (02:46:46):
We are united enough to put the infrastructure in place
so that we can impact so that so that people
as a whole, because you know, I don't participant Chris things,
you know anyway, but people as a whole can use
our economic power as a as a weapon. But it's unity.
And what they're trying to do is destroy the unity

(02:47:10):
that we have. That's what all these measures are about.
That's what all this information.

Speaker 15 (02:47:15):
Uh is about.

Speaker 23 (02:47:16):
That's what the whole Coin Temple was about to against,
to disrupt and destroy unity amongst black people.

Speaker 1 (02:47:25):
So how do we counter that, Tony, And how do
we do that?

Speaker 23 (02:47:30):
Well, you're asking a million dollar question here, my brother.
I mean one way it's doing what you're doing right
now called brand people on the show to talk about
these issues so that people's our minds can be open,
so that people know about a trusties and things that

(02:47:50):
happened in the past and vow that we will not
allow these same things to happen right now, in the
present and in the future. I think that that's key.
One of the things your college just said that I
kind of I don't know, I kind of just wrote
down in my notes. He talked about the the Lone Ranger,
and when he talked about the the Native peoples and

(02:48:13):
that how their stories are being told on the in
the media, and all I'm just saying, I just I
grew up on Long Ranger in Tanto, and those weren't
the stories I wanted to hear about Native people's you know.
So even with respect to other oppressed communities, misinformation and

(02:48:34):
disinformation is running rampant. And it's up to us, not
just only us, but our.

Speaker 19 (02:48:44):
You know, people who.

Speaker 23 (02:48:45):
Uplift culture and documentaries and books and things like that,
to make sure that the correct stories are being told.

Speaker 6 (02:48:55):
So that.

Speaker 23 (02:48:57):
Again, I think that knowledge of history, now it's a
history major in college, it's really the one thing that
helps us to move forward, to know that we're not
just starting where we are today. We come from a
great and mighty people. We suffered a huge my offer
you capast your feet, oppressing, you know, whatever you might want,
a holocaust, genocide, whatever you might want to call it.

(02:49:19):
But we are still here, surviving and surviving, and that
there must be amends for the past.

Speaker 1 (02:49:28):
Yeah, we're still here. We're special people, as Dr Anderson
always tells us, we're special people. What we went through
and we're still here. Family, step aside for a few
moments and twenty three minutes away from the top they are,
I guess his attorney in Kichi, Taifa. You'd like to
speak to and reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixth we'll take
you phone calls. Next remind family. Coming up later this week,

(02:49:48):
you're going to hear from author and the clinician doctor
Jerrold me foxing On for his best selling work book
Addicted to White They Oppressed in League with the Oppress,
a shame based the lines. Also, industrial psychologist doctor Edwin
Nichols will be here, so if you are in Baltimore,
make sure you keep your radiar lock team tight on
ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV or
on fourteen fifteen w L. Since the end Ketcher, the

(02:50:09):
question of reparations comes up and always what is it
we want? And it seems like, you know, we have
everybody's got different thought process about what they want or
what should well, what do we deserve? Some to say money,
some say free college or free taxes, or if we've
reached a consensus on yet or partial consensus and what

(02:50:29):
we want or what we deserve for for our reparations.

Speaker 23 (02:50:34):
So let me just say this, Carl. I always say
that the harms from the enslavement era and beyond were
multi faceted. Thus the remedies must be multi faceted as well,
and that a reparation settlement can't come in as many
forms as necessary to equitably address the the bluminous harms

(02:50:54):
have been visited, you know upon us. That is one
of the reasons why commissions and CASPU is across the
country and very puristicians are being set up. The town
hall team get listening testimonies from residence as to what
they want, what we said to reparations. I always feel
that financial compensation is absolutely a critical part of a

(02:51:17):
reparations packets of reparation settlement.

Speaker 1 (02:51:20):
Some other people feel, hopefully we haven't lost attorney in
case you taife, so like a line drop there Kevin,
seventeen minutes away from the top. They our family. Okay,

(02:51:40):
this is going to check us if we were lost
it in Kisha Taifa, she's an attorney Washington, d C.
Civil rights activist, the reparations activists that she's been out
there on the battlefield for many years fighting for our folks.
And one of the issues now she was what she's
champion in is reparations. And most of you listened to
this program probably probably are honder the same, you know,

(02:52:02):
idea that we deserve reparations. And because of the mood
in the country now, this is why people think that,
you know, we're not going to get reparation. I think
we're going to get reparations. I don't know how went
and when, but I'm still optimistic that we're going to
get reparations. So, you know, hopefully we can get hook
up back with it turning and Kichi taif and she
can tell us more about this because she's been in

(02:52:23):
the forefront of this fight for reparations. And you know,
one of the things that the question where she was,
you know, she was attempted to respond to was the
fact that in what form of reparations should we get
some people, you know, people you speak to, you know,
ten people to give you ten different versions. She said,
of course, the money is part of it. She's gone.

(02:52:44):
She's attempted to break down with the other aspects of
what reparations should be because some people think about free
educations the tax breaks, and and they're all assortment of
different reasons why we should get a reparation. How it
can be manifested just doesn't have to be in dollars alone.
Some people just straight out right to check. So it's
just as you're about to tell us the different ways

(02:53:06):
of different aspects of reparations.

Speaker 23 (02:53:10):
Yes, yes, yes, I mean it could come in the scholarships,
it could come in terms of housing, it could come
in terms of cultural things and museums, it could come
in the context of just anything that can help repair

(02:53:30):
the harm.

Speaker 15 (02:53:31):
I mean, it's it's it's this. This is one of
the things that it's being.

Speaker 23 (02:53:37):
Talked about, discussed and debated all across the country right now.
So there's not just one measure of repair, okay, It's multifaceted, okay.
And that's why it's important for jurisdictions to look at
what the specific harms and those specific communities are. And
I'm talking about on the state and local level, but

(02:53:58):
when we talk about the federal level, that's much more
comprehensive because again that's where the big bucks are, you know.
But it's not just about a check. You know, Back
when I first started talking about reparations. Back in the seventies,
that's basically what we were talking about in chat. But
now we've come to realize that it's far far more
comprehensive than a check. It's here today and gone tomorrow. Okay,

(02:54:22):
we're also talking about repairing communities, you know, repairing ourselves,
and that takes much more than money. But again I'm
saying I'm not discounting. You know, as a lawyer, there's damages.
Damages is financial, you know, compensation, but that is not
the only indicator of what a reparation settlement can it

(02:54:44):
should look like books, you know, that's part of you know,
the the repair in terms of institutions.

Speaker 11 (02:54:53):
And it's not just.

Speaker 23 (02:54:56):
City and state governments, in the federal government, the academic institute,
the religious institutions, and corporations, the industries at private, the states.
There's so so many culpable parties, uh, that need to
be part of this reparations discussion, uh, conversation and.

Speaker 15 (02:55:19):
Repair.

Speaker 1 (02:55:19):
Your Mike is trying to reach you at thirteen minutes
away from the top of the hour, grand Rise and Mike,
you're on with attorney and you.

Speaker 18 (02:55:33):
Uh uh, good morning, Grandmas and mister Carling Nelson, Honorable Kevin,
and your guests. Your guest hits on a lot of points,
and it's so difficult, and it's so oh so universal.
It's just it's just absolutely nuts. First of us, say
Happy Veterans Day to all the listeners and and to
mister Kevin. And probably if you, mister call even your
speaker Happy Veterans Day. You make a good point about

(02:55:54):
the veterans. I said that a text bunch to all
my brothers that was missing in the Navy, and uh,
I would say happy veterans. They're not just to them
for all the men and women, but just go speak
of some things. Also said in my text message to
all our ancestors, they were veterans too, just like you said,
you know all abouts from the Civil rights era to
the Civil War that paved the way for us. You know,

(02:56:16):
we wouldn't be I wouldn't be a rich man now
have the opportunities and stuff like that, and it was
not for them, the sacrifices they made and the beatings
they're hanging, and the killings and stuff like that. So
they are definitely veterans in my heart. And the people,
you know, all the segregation units that were in the
military and stuff like that, you know, and they paid

(02:56:36):
the way the Buffalo soldiers and just the people fighting
hit learn Germany and stuff like that. That was black men.
You talk about things earlier about black men. But I've
been on this reparations thing for a long time and
they're not just the United States. We have a lot
of countries that are involved. Man, you're talking about like Portugal, Spain, England, France.

(02:56:57):
You know, it's a lot of people, a lot of country.
Excuse me. We just got to find a way to
get all these people to divvy up and do what
they're supposed to do. And I said, what form is
it gonna come in. It's gonna come through free education,
as mister Nelson said, or one of the other gets said.
Is it gonna come through uh this monetary or is
it gonna come through housing, free housing, land or something

(02:57:20):
like that. And the last thing I wanted to say
was that the reparation thing, you know, how are we
gonna do that? It's not it's not This should not
involve the New Africans that have been here the last
fifty sixty years, because they're not really true a part
of us and have nothing to do with that because
they were not here about ancestors and stuff like that.
So we just take your response off the earth. Thank you,

(02:57:42):
mister Nelson, Thank.

Speaker 5 (02:57:43):
You, mister Governor.

Speaker 1 (02:57:44):
Thanks Mike Counselor.

Speaker 15 (02:57:48):
So yeah, I just want to say that the.

Speaker 23 (02:57:51):
The harms have been good, uh worldwide, Okay, And I
know he mentioned Africans or immigrants who uh have recently
come over here. That doesn't mean that they have not
been impacted also by this whole worldwide system of white
domination and black degradation. You know, when we get into

(02:58:12):
issues of separation, that's one of the problems that we've
faced here. Yes, you know, it depends on where the
ship let us off at. You know, whether it was
in Brazil, whether it's in Cuba, whether it's in Jamaica,
whether it's in North America, Louisiana where I mean, which

(02:58:33):
all speaks to why we speak different languages, but we
are one people united by one common uh, you know,
uh oppression, and that's why we talk about reparations not
just for the enslavement era, but for what is happening
today throughout the centuries today as well. The police did
not stop Abner Louima and uh I'm gonna do Diallo

(02:58:57):
and ask them, well, do you know what plantations you
came from in this country?

Speaker 15 (02:59:01):
Okay? Or they they just.

Speaker 23 (02:59:03):
Presume the color of the skin, Okay, What's what caused
their degredation at the hands of police in New York.
So you know, I'm not one for separation. I'm one
for unification, okay. And I'm one for seeing us as
one people. So I know there's a big divide in

(02:59:25):
the reparations movement today with respect to that, but I'd
like to look at the situation as an abundance situation
as opposed to a non abundance, and when we look
at it from that aspect, we look at our people
as one people. But again, I'll just conclude this part
by saying that people all over the world, Black people
all over the world are fighting for repair, for justice,

(02:59:47):
for uh uh, you know, for reparations, and I don't
think it does us justice to divide, you know, us here.
So again, this is why they commissions and task forces
to determine specific eligibility, whether it's going to be rob
whether it's going to be strict. These are conversations that

(03:00:08):
have won on right here right now, you know, today.
So I appreciate your.

Speaker 15 (03:00:14):
Callers, you know, comments, and you know.

Speaker 23 (03:00:18):
They we're pacing these type of issues every day.

Speaker 1 (03:00:24):
Yeah, and ate away from the top there. And you know,
some people think that that the brothers and sisters on
the continent deserve reparations because there was a brain drain
that they lost a lot of scholars that that you
know on this side of the Atlantic Ocean that have
become and just look what Africa could be with the
brains that were taken away from Africa. The reparations too,

(03:00:47):
because they could have.

Speaker 15 (03:00:50):
Yeah, and they are fighting for that as well.

Speaker 23 (03:00:52):
The African Union as well as well as Caracom. Caracom
is the community of Caribbean nations are uniting uh with
respect to the issue of reparations against the former European colonizers.
And we in the diaspora, you know, in this country
are part of that growing global.

Speaker 15 (03:01:13):
Movement as well.

Speaker 1 (03:01:16):
That's right, because we all made the same trip or
are these the ancestors stated just on different ships and
stopped at different ports.

Speaker 23 (03:01:22):
But we're still want different places right where you go?
Why some of us speak English, some of us speak Spanish,
some of us say, speak for the Geese.

Speaker 12 (03:01:30):
I mean, you know, we'll make it.

Speaker 1 (03:01:35):
We'll get We'll get that. Don't worry, we'll get that
because we're a special people.

Speaker 23 (03:01:40):
I'm going to mention something else real quick, just as
I can.

Speaker 15 (03:01:43):
You know, I talking about these cities and states. Well,
in North Carolina, Ashville, Uh, the US Department of Justice
has threatened legal action against Asheville, North Carolina if they
dare move forward with reparation recommendations from their community reparations commissions.
I mean, this is uh, this is totally and completely countenable.

(03:02:05):
We're talking about the Department of Justice, the department that
is supposed to be tasked with advancing justice instead is
a stifling justice. And again you know, uh, you know
what they're saying is that, oh, well, you can't use.

Speaker 23 (03:02:20):
Race, but the irony is just staggering. A couple of
months ago, the Supreme Court recently gave immigration agents the
green light to use race as a factor in stop
effectively legitimizing racial profiling. So if race can be used
to oh rash, why can't it be used to.

Speaker 15 (03:02:42):
To be pair?

Speaker 6 (03:02:43):
You know?

Speaker 15 (03:02:44):
So, you know, what's happening in Ashville is symptomatic of
what's happening across the.

Speaker 23 (03:02:49):
Country, but we must not bow down. What we need
to do is double down the call for reparations. It's
louder than ever.

Speaker 12 (03:03:00):
You know.

Speaker 23 (03:03:00):
You may not hear about it in the media, but
in cities, states, institutions across this country are acknowledge and
beginning to acknowledge uh, their roles in perpetrating harm. And
it's the result of the work that we've been doing,
you know, all of this time. So I just wanted
to say, there's apocricy going on with respect to the

(03:03:24):
issue of reparations, and we must not allow that to continue,
whether it's coming from the United States government or whether
it's coming from detractors against reparations in particular.

Speaker 1 (03:03:35):
All right, five way for the top thing. I'm gonna
let you go an because we've got another engagement.

Speaker 23 (03:03:42):
That you have, right, yeah, yeah, I have. I have
a video show on another station that I call those
ten o'clock.

Speaker 11 (03:03:50):
Yeah sound good?

Speaker 1 (03:03:51):
Okay, well good for good. Will continue the discussion over there.

Speaker 23 (03:03:56):
Thank you so very much, called for always having me on,
and I just love your callers who all in with
their various comments.

Speaker 1 (03:04:02):
Yes, all right, and thank you for if you've been
in the fight for a while since the ki taf
and thank you for what you do and all the
help that you've given us so far.

Speaker 15 (03:04:11):
Thank you called piece of lessons reparations.

Speaker 1 (03:04:14):
Now all right for a way, t Kevin. We talked about,
you know, this is a Veteran's day, and we talked
about somebody talked about the Buffalo Soldiers and how they
were tricked into fighting the Indians. Well, I got no
from Mark from Anaheim says, you know the Buffalo Soldiers that, yes,
they do a trick and gone events. But nobody talked

(03:04:35):
to how President Lincoln used the Buffalo Soldiers to keep
the Mormons in check.

Speaker 2 (03:04:40):
Really, yes, yeah, I didn't know that that they What
do you mean keep the Mormons in check? They were
moving on to the West coast and right, so the
Buffalo says.

Speaker 1 (03:04:51):
The moments have neither forgotten nor forgiven. And now the
Mormons John Birch Society have taken control of all three
branches of the federal government on Capitol Hills.

Speaker 2 (03:05:01):
Oh yeah, well today is Veterans Day, though let's keep
it positive. Eleven eleven means something, and so today is
Veterans Day and President Donald Trump is laying a wreath
at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier to honor fallen
service members and commemorate the national holiday. And it's a

(03:05:21):
tradition that's done by all of the presidents and President
Trump is going to continue in that. The ceremony is
part of the official observance of Veterans Day and he's
going to lay that reef at ten point fifty at
Arlington National Cemetery.

Speaker 1 (03:05:38):
What about that, Well, let's talk somebody else. Is there
any places that veterans who can get some free because
we talked to her about it.

Speaker 3 (03:05:47):
Yeah, we talked earlier. We thought this morning about the
free food. So for those who are looking for.

Speaker 2 (03:05:57):
The free food, I have a list here and let's
see where I put that list thoughts, see Carl and
these uh type moments we've got here sometimes can really
wrap you up.

Speaker 1 (03:06:12):
Well, I'll tell you what, because we're just flat out
of time. Just call you and you can tell them
where the free restaurant.

Speaker 2 (03:06:18):
I know off the top of my head is like
places like Starbucks, Subway, Denny's, I Hop, you know, places
like that.

Speaker 1 (03:06:26):
Wow. Yeah, it just got to prove that you're a veteran,
right and.

Speaker 2 (03:06:30):
You Yeah, you bring your ID or your d D
two fourteen and uh, and you can get Some of
them are bogo by one, get one, and some of
them are absolutely straight out like duncan you get a donut?
And Krispy Kreme is also giving you a donut. So
as they say, is that happy veterans date to all

(03:06:51):
of the veterans. And I wanted to quote Barack Obama.
He says, our nation owes adapt to its fallen heroes.
That we can never fully but we can honor their sacrifice.
All gave, some, some gave also, God bless the USA
and all of those servants members.

Speaker 1 (03:07:10):
All right, I'm family classes dismissed. We've got to get
out of here running late. Stay strong, stay positive, please
stay healthy. See you tomorrow morning, ten six o'clock right
here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in
the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL

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