Baba Lumumba, John Boyd & Charles Barron on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your Tuesday with us. Later, Grill,
Baba la Mumba from a Moja house in Washington, d C.
Will check into our classroom. Baba la Mumba always always
provides us with some thought provoking topics to discuss, and
this time around, Baba la Mumba will define freedom, why
it's very important to the Black community, and what is freedom.
But before Baba Lamumba, the founder and the president of

(00:24):
the National Black Farmers Association, John Boyd will preview the
group's conference and Moomentelli, former New York lawmaker Charles Barron
will check in. But let's check in with Kevin first
and get these classroom doors open and start this Tuesday programming.
Hey Kevin, good morning, Grand Rising brother.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Grand Rising, good morning, ring A Ding Ding. The glass
is now open. How you feeling, Carl Nelson?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm still learning.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
That is an active activity that one must do. There's
so much to learn, so much to then take action on.
So you know, we look forward to the shared learning
you're gonna bring.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
But you know what there's all saying, Kevin, you know,
the more you know, the more you grow.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I'm still looking for knowledge. I'm still learning. Oh, that's
a great affirmation. I would believe that the more you know,
the more you grow. Growth comes with learning, and learning
comes with listening, and on and on and on. So
that's how you do that. Today being the twenty first
day of October on a Tuesday morning, and we're just

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so glad that everything is going well, and yet for
some people things are a little a little bit reason
for concern. Former President Joe Biden completes a course of
radiation therapy for cancer treatment.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I didn't remember that he had cancer and he had
the radiation therapy for his state.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
What do you know he had it? He was diagnosed
with prostate cancer. I think he laid into his term
he had prostate cancer. And now obviously then now they're
sharing that, you know, his treatment for the prostate cancer.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
So hopefully he'll be okay.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, his birthday's next month. He turns eighty three next month,
and Biden's daughter Ashley posted a short video of her
father ringing the bell, a tradition for many cancer patients,
upon completing a round of treatment at pen Medicine Radiation
Oncology in Philadelphia. So he rung the bell means it's

(02:38):
not as bad, or at least he made it through
that round.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, it usually means that, you know, it's in remission.
So that's what it usually means.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh, I see, and and President Biden said, the expectation
is we're going to be able to beat this. It's
not in any organ it's in my bones. And he
says the bone are strong, and so I'm feeling good.
He says, yeah, good for him. Yeah, yeah, our prayers
go up for the former president. Speaking of presidents, the

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current president says the US Appeals Court will let him
bring the troops into Portland. They've somehow changed their mind,
he divided. US Appeals Court ruled yesterday that President Trump
can send National Guard troops into Portland, Oregon, despite objections
by the leaders of the city and the state, given

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the Republican president an important legal victory as he dispatches
military forces to a growing number of Democratic led locales.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, that's interesting because we'll see because he really wants Chicago,
and he's being able to federalize the National Guard in Portland.
So next on his list is Chicago because Chicago's are,
you know, objecting They filed a lot of objections from
the city and state level. I don't think he met
with such resistance from the folks in Portland, though.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Well.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
It says that a three judge panel of the ninth
US Circuit Court of Appeals granted the Justice Department's request
to put a hold on the judge's order that had
blocked the deployment. While a legal challenge of Trump's action plays.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Out right, and the game plan is Kevin, it's just,
you know, if it gets rejected, they'll take it all
the way to Supreme Court, which usually rubber stamps anything
that he any request that he makes, so anything that
he files, they usually go along with the conservative majority,
so that you know they're they're not really concerned about
that with the lower courts too, but they'll just appeal

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that all the way up and you mean.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
All the way to the Supreme Court, where most of
most of his people are.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
And by the way, we're paying for all of this,
you know, the filings, the troops on the streets, you know,
the tax payers money, all of this. You know, that's
how they're spending our money. But you know, hey, well are.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
They spending in I mean, the government shut down is
going near a three week mark as the Senate fails
for the eleventh time to advance the funding bills.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
So are they spending money now?

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Well, apparently somebody's well whenever it happens, because you know,
that means those folks are not getting paid, and many
people are not getting paid, and they especially the essential workers,
they have to report and this this, you know, this's
a threat that he's going to fire some people who
who will get laid off. So you know a lot
of folks are in limbo. They got rent to pay

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car notes, you know. And oh there's another attack on
food stamps too. They're going to cut back on food
stamps starting next month. So hey, we're heading into some
uncharted waters right here.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
And now, Kevin, well, they're but they're not doing any work.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Look, the bill has fallen short of sixty votes needed
to advance in every vote since the shutdown began twenty
days ago, and there are no signs that the dynamic
will change soon. So they're not working on anything, it
seems to me, Carl Look. Senate Majority Leader John Thune
is expected to bring up a bill this week that

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would pay federal employees and military service members who have
continued to work during the funding lapse. So what's that
some sort.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Of Oh yeah, well, here's here's where they got to
do really resolve the issue. They have to come up
with a deal that makes like both sides won. You know,
nobody wants to lose. So it's all about ego right
now on both sides. So they have to reach a
consensus and the busts that say, hey, we got what,
we got something, and the other side said we got something,
So we both got something. So let's keep the government

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open and let's move on until they can reach that consensus.
We're gonna still stay at the stalemate.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Isn't it called compromise though? I thought it was all
about compromise and negotiation of right, not necessarily. You know,
it's a win when and when you can negotiate.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Right, Yeah, But if you're not even at the table.
You know, the Republicans are not even in DC, so
who are they going to negotiate with? So that's that's
another issue.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay, one last one, last point before we get to
your guests.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Man, I was looking you.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
You mentioned something about p Diddy and he asked the
president for a pardon. But the only thing I see
so far is that the response that Trump gave back
in early this month where he said, uh, I called
him puff Daddy, and he said he knows he asked

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them for a pardon. But the President said that puff
Daddy was very aggressive, he was hostile during the presidential campaign,
and so he says, will I consider pardoning him?

Speaker 3 (07:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Did you hear something different?

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Right? Right?

Speaker 1 (07:47):
CMC's reporting that the Trump is considering commuting a ditty
census as early as this week, Kevin. And this is
according they're quoting a high profile or a high ranking
White House White House official and they said the President
sort of vacillating on the community commutation, some of the
White House staff urging him not to commute the sentence.
But one source say says, it's all this Trump will

(08:09):
do what Trump wants. So we'll see it, because you know,
Trump could set Diddy free as early as this week,
and we saw what happened with George scientists last week,
so you know, they think he may, you know, because
Trump does what he wants. As the White House. The
person was quoted in this particular story, so and the
request has been made, and so it may come as
earlier this week, so we'll keep an eye on that.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Well, the president's quote that I have here, he says,
I got along with him, great, he seemed like a nice.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Guy, but he was very hostile, very hostile.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
So I don't know what that means, because we do
know that Trump always chickens out right, So you're you're right,
he may come up with a different state of mind
on this, right I take He says, I'll take a
look at it.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
So, well, yeah, that's of consideration.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
So you know, the people, I guess there's two sides
in the White House, those who like Diddy and those
who are against Ditty for some whatever reason, whatever he did.
You know, but when you look at some of the
folks who got partnered, you look at the person himself
who's gonna, you know, make that decision. They look what
they've been convicted of them see, you know how bad
is Diddy and they were pals. So we'll see what happens.

(09:22):
Didd he's on his apology tour. Then he says, I
want to personally apologize again to cast a Venture. So yeah,
well we'll see how that goes. And meanwhile, thanks for
your time.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
Carl.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Is the twenty. First, it's ten past the hour of six,
and we've got Charles Baron standy Benning.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
All right, grand Rising, Billa, Charles Barron, welcome back to
the program.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
Well, thank you so much. Good morning, grandmis and how
you doing.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
We're still learning, Charles, We're still learning. We want to
find out more what's going on in your city because
you have a race coming up, in the oral race
coming up. Oh, it was about three weeks from now.
It's going to be three weeks.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
Yeah, weeks, eight weeks November fourth.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
November four. Wow, month is almost over. But Charles, it
looks like my Donnie is still holding the lead.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
What's going on there?

Speaker 6 (10:18):
Well, you know, we have a coalition we put together
called the Black Coalition of Black Solidarity Coalition. It's with
the Nation of Islam, the December twelfth Movement, Operation Power,
Our Organization MALIS, the Teller's Group, Hulu Movement, SIMILTEP with
doctor James macintos. So for the first time U n

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I A was also there, and many many other groups.
The first time we all getting together around electoral politics.
So initially folks wanted to endorse Mamadannie and so you know,
I wasn't with that, but I wanted to save the
coalition make sure were in unity, so I said, fine,

(11:05):
I'll do that, but we should never endorse someone who
doesn't even want to meet with us. But we did it,
and then we undid back the endorsement because he's moving
so far to the neoliberal position, embracing all of the
Democrats that some of them he's trying to get endorsements

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from who are actually zion As, supporters of Zionism in
the State of Israel, and capitalists to the core anti socialists.
And he's apologizing for the things he said about the
police department calling them races, which he was accurate about.
He apologized for that, and he's walking back a lot

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of his statements. And the latest thing he did is
he called Cuba and Venezuela dictatorships and these are two
socialist countries. Is interesting that he's so called socialists embrace
these capitalists in the Democratic Party because Cuba and who

(12:07):
held Africa so much in Venezuela dictatorships. And then he
also didn't want to support the retirees, remember with their
health plan, they didn't want to go into EDNA that
Adams was trying to force them into He refuses to
support them because some one of the unions who sold

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us out, union leaders that sold us out, doesn't want
to give the retiree their money. He doesn't support that,
and just so much stuff. He even said that when
meeting with Zionist Jews, literally meeting with Zionist Jewish groups, said,
you know, he may have to hire some Zionists in
his administration as well. So he's turning into just to

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go along, get along, a politician who will say whatever
he needs to stay and do whatever he needs to do.
So we have withdrawn our endorsement of him, but we're
not endorsing him. There'll be six six pieces of legislation
on the ballot, ballot legislation initiatives that we are going

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to vote against Eric Adams on his way out, he's
trying to take power away from the city council and
give it to the mayor so that he can help
his real estate buddies around housing issues. So those initiatives
we are going out there. We're focusing on that now,
not the candidates. You know, I always say we need

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to have another column. None of the above, and if
none of the above wins, then none of the people
running can run again, and we.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Do it all over.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
But we're not satisfied with Zorn or the others were
never an option, but we're not even satisfied with him.
And it's only going to get worse as he's getting
because I've seen DSA candidates talk all the socialism and
progressive stuff, half the stuff they can't even really do,
and then when they get in they become politicians. That's normal,

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regular opportunistic politicians that are adherent or suckond up to
the Democrats.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
All right, fortune off the topic, A couple gonna break,
But it doesn't this give an opportunity for all those
groups that you mentioned to come up with a candidate
for the next election, because it's too late now, as
you mentioned a couple of weeks lecture, it's going to
be there. Can you create a craft or there's somebody
in your group in any of those groups that can
be a formudal candidate for Mandani if he wins for

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the next election. Could you start doing that now?

Speaker 5 (14:42):
You know?

Speaker 6 (14:43):
That's an excellent question, and that's the reason why our
group Operation Power, that's why we supported whatever the coalition
was saying, because I really endorsed the coalition none of
these candidates. And not only can we run a candidate
against him or some other candidate that we think is
better than him, but next year there'll be racist for

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the State Assembly, and then in twenty twenty nine there'll
be racist for the City council. So we and as
A and I and Operation Power, we have the formula
for beating the machine on the city council and the
State Assembly level. Now we have an opportunity to run
black radicals and independent building an independent structure because right

(15:31):
now you ask the excellent question, because right now the
only people that run candidates in New York is the
Democratic Party, the Working Families Party, and the Democratic Socialists
of America. Of course the Republicans don't count because they're
really in such a small number, but they're the ones
who run the candidates. So we wind up, you know,

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the lesser of evils and people that we really are
not for. So now we can run our own candidates
and get them in the city Council, where any mayor
is going to have to deal with to get his
or her budget passed. The city council passes it any laws,
the city Council passes it, and then he land used

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items on city owned land, and if private owners want
to do different things, it has to be approved by
the city council. So we can get power in the
city council by running our own candidates. So whoever becomes mayor,
we can keep them in chat.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
All right, hold that though, right there, we've got to
step aside for a few months. We come back, we'll
talk more about the mayoral race. I want to find
out what's going on in the saund nations on the
content as well. Family, just waking up. Our guess is
Charles Brown, former New York lawmaker. We're discussing the mayor
old race in New York Cities. Everybody's watching. The race
is going to take place as the Charles Tullis on
November fourth. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six will get you in

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and we'll take your phone calls next and grand rising family,
thanks for waking up with us on this Tuesday morning.
I guess it's Charles Brown. Cheles's remember New York City Council,
also at the State Assembly in Albany, and now he's
part of a group that's coming together. It's just a
coalition actually of black groups, and they're going to run
their candidates. They're not unhappy with the candidates they're running for.

(17:13):
In the mayoral race is going to take place, and
this is one of the there's still like three key
races that everybody's will be watching the next two weeks.
One one in the governorship in Virginia and also in
New Jersey, and also the mayoral race in New York City.
It looks like the candidate there, Mandane, is going to win,
but Charles says his group is not is not pleased

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with him, so they're going to They're going on here
and out. And Charles, you you have the you have
the experience. You know how city government works, you know
how state government works. So I guess you'll be taking
the lead on creating this these codra new candidates to
challenge in the city and state governments.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
Absolutely, we're very, very honored to be able to do that.
But Operation Power, my wife and Esza and I we
spent a combined, you know, twenty some odd years in
both the State Assembly and the city council. You know,
we both were in both parties. When I was termed
limited out of the city council after twelve years. And
as my wife, she had run for the State Assembly

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and one so she ran for my seatment I was
terminated and then left her seat Bacon and I ran
for hers. So we both have years. She has about
eight years in the State Assembly. I have twelve and
she has five years and a State Assembly and I
have seven. So we have good experience and we beat

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the machine. We beat the most powerful machine, Democratic Party machine.
It was in the Democratic primary. But we're independent. We
have a political organization called Operation Power, and we are
separate from the Democratic Party. We just use the primary
as a strategy because ninety five percent of our people
in our district both Democratic blindly, so we had to

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beat them in the primary. So that's we're excited about that.
And now we're taking this across the country as know.
This weekend we'll be in Philadelphia with the National Black
Radical Political Convention in Philadelphia, will be at the College
there in Philadelphia and a Temple University, and we'll be

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doing our workshop there. We've been across the country doing
it over and over. So yes, that's what we're excited about,
you know, because no matter what Zoron said. He wanted
a free bussing, that's a state issue. He can't pass
that as maya. Zoron said he wanted to have grocery
stores government run grocery stores. He has to go to

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a legislative body for that to happen. There's nothing he
said that he can initiate himself as maya. That's the
other thing we're not pleased with, because there are things
that a mayor can do without going to the legislation body,
doing with the mayor mayor executive orders, and he has
announced none. So we think he's going to be a

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typical mayor. He probably will win, But what does that
mean for black folk? What does that mean for the
poverty in our neighborhoods and the crime in our neighborhoods,
and what does that mean for them building homeless shelters
in our neighborhoods. He has nothing for none of that,
And so we are not going for the okie dope.
He's better than the rest, but no more or less
of too evils for us. We have to be right

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on time and this generation so that we can end
our oppression.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
All right, We got some folks already want to talk
to you at twenty three minutes after the top day
our family just again, you're just waking up. I guess
is Charles Barron, former New York City lawmaker and mark
in Baltimore City, has a question for you. He's online
to grant Rise and marking on with Charles Barron.

Speaker 7 (20:48):
I guess, good morning, gentlemen. Very interesting conversation. You talked
about the generation. I'm concerned about the young people and
who are will be our future leaders, and the legislators
didn't like So my course is, how did he, as
far as you know, for those who are voting age
to age eighteen and all, how did he really feel
about the possibility having Mondomi as a possible mayor of

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New York City? Did he really expect much from him
finding the scribroutine? You know, when you're young, you have
all kinds of dreams and aspirations, but is that really so?

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Well?

Speaker 7 (21:21):
What do you know about their attitudes? And we're already
realistic in their approach, we are thinking.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
We are we're in contact with a very you would
be so proud. But some of the young people that
we've come in contact with their very shop. They're very intelligent,
matter of fact, we have to get them involved in
the electoral process period, because some of them are sick
of the sellout, some of them are sick of the
broken promises, and some of them don't believe that electoral

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process is the way for us. So we tell them
we're not going to be able to vote our way
to freedom. It certainly has its limitations, but the benefits
are great. So we have been winning some of our
young people over to actually get in the electoral arena
and consider running themselves. And I've been doing some training
with some young people. We have some young people that

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are part of our coalition. Some of the young people
were impressed with Mumdani because he said he was a socialist,
so he's gotten some of the young vote. But now
they're seeing his true colors. He's just another neoliberal democrat
and they're seeing his true colors now. So some of
them are disenchanted with him and are moving away from

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him and joining our coalition. Some will go ahead and
vote for him and learn some lessons by experience. I
have a way to say, yes, you can learn by experience,
but you could also learn by the past experience of
what has happened so you don't have to make those
same mistakes again.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
All right, thanks Marre, welcome. All righty brother man two
is checking in from New York City's online three Grant
Rise your brother man too, only.

Speaker 8 (23:00):
Baron, Yes, our grand rising Hotel Abari GANI, free the
land and free the African mind. Thank you rather crazy
for having this platform and definitely thankful to UH speak
with guest Councilman Charles Barron. Brother Baron getings, my brother Hope.

(23:22):
All well to you and your family.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
Same to you, my brother.

Speaker 8 (23:28):
Yes, I wanted to know what your thoughts are. Is
there anything that we can do legislatively to give the
unhoused or the homeless the right to vote, can to
participate in the UH in the elections. As you know,
homelessness has increased and that disrupts people hope in many ways.

(23:51):
But what can we do to give the on house
or the homeless the the franchise of voting.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Well, that's very good.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
The question when I was in the state legislature to
challenge for the homeless is you have to have some
kind of address. So we are looking at legislation that
would allow them to use wherever they're residing in homeless
shelters as an address to vote, So to some extent
some have been able to find addresses and vote. The

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second thing is to get them out of homeless shelters.
You know, the best way to get them enfranchised is
to get them out of homeless shelters. We Operation Power
and I as my wife and I have been able
to get several hundred people the unhused, out of the
shelters and inter permanent housing because once again power, power

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is the great equalizer, as Omali Esha tell Us says,
we have the power in the city council so that
any developer that came into our district and wanted to
build new housing one we made sure it was affordable
to the income level of the people in our neighborhood,
so it wasn't transified, and we had set aside for
the unhoused, and so you got to do ten twenty

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for the unhoused, and we fought with the mayor to
get rent subsidies for those until they can find a
decent job to pay their rent. So in several occasions
we got hundreds of people out of the home the
shelters into a permanent apartment, and of course you have
a permanent apartment, you have an addressed and.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
You can vote.

Speaker 8 (25:30):
And just to follow up on that month, brother, is
it true that the government is the largest land owner.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
In New York City or US told you?

Speaker 6 (25:40):
Clear that up?

Speaker 9 (25:41):
What?

Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (25:42):
Most?

Speaker 4 (25:42):
How much land as the government?

Speaker 5 (25:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (25:45):
Most most of the land in New York City that's
available because you know, the city was trying to get
out of the housing business, so they were given a
lot of city owned land to developers. Sometimes it used
to be there they can get the land for a dollar,
and now they still get it dirt cheap. So the

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city is turning over a lot of city owned land
to private developers and the only thing we can do
about that is to make the housing affordable because we
had the power for that, but we did not have
the power to determine if they would get the land. So, yes,
that the state also has a land in New York City.

(26:25):
It is government owned land as well. So this is
why once again it's important for us to be in
this legislative body where the power is the executive advance
as mayor, governor president is more difficult for us to
control and have the hold accountable but in these local
seats you can so yes, they've done that, and we've

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been able to set up. Even in my East New
York community, we have a Community land Trust, the COLT,
and this is a group of people that come together
and say, if you can give these rich white developers
the land for a dollar, will give it to the
community for a dollar because we have a community land trust.
And this land trust will then own the land and

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determine what are the policies of the housing developments that
can be built on our community owned land.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Thirty minutes at the top of your family just waking up.
I guess it's Charles Baron. Charles are forming a New
York lawmaker and he's part of a group called Power.
It's got a coalition that they put together of activists.
They're going to challenge some of the elections in coming
up in New York City. But let me ask you this, though, Childs,
because it seems like all across the country there's a
I guess in Ersia when it comes to voting. Our

(27:40):
folks are disenchanted by the voting process. They don't think
it works. As a lawmaker. As a former lawmaker, you've
worked with that process. You know how it works. What
can you tell them to make them go to the polls?
Because most many people, many of our folks, would sit
on the couch and say that voting doesn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
What say use.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Stand them saying that I said that for years, and
to some extent they have a point. But to a
greater extent, the benefits is incredible, not just voting out
of anywhere because people died for us to vote. People
are not buying that. You know, as important and legitimate
as that reason is, we got to get candidates in

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the knot that are not neo colonial black puppets of
the Democratic Party. And thus the poverty in our community
remains high, the crime in our community remains high, the
unhoused homeless in our community remains high. No matter who's
in and even in the nation, whether it's a Democrat

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or a Republican, whether it's a black president or a
white president, or Donald Trump or Barack Obama, those indicators
of a healthy community still exist. Unhealthy for us when
we have the poverty at thirty and forty percent, double
digit on the deployment crime through the hook, the price
of everything is so high that you can't even buy food,

(29:07):
you'd come out better eating your money than buying food
to come out cheaper. So we think the electoral arena
if you get the right people, and that's what we
did in East New York when my wife and I
beat the sellout negroes of the Democratic Party in our district,
we were able to get a violence interrupted group. This

(29:29):
is a group of young people, many of them came
out of incarceration millions of dollars to work to bring
down crime, and crime was brought down and they were
able to have jobs. We were able to stop gentrification
because we controlled what was being built in our community.
We also were able to build three new eighty eight

(29:51):
million dollar schools from the ground up. We were able
to renovate one hundred and ten million dollars worth of parks.
Now people in the best parks in the city exercising
and having recreation and sports and fun. We were able
to create thousands and thousands of jobs. We have food desert,
so we had to have food pantries.

Speaker 11 (30:13):
We gave out thousands.

Speaker 6 (30:14):
Of turkeys every year. We able to have food pantries
to feed our people. We had a youth center built
from the ground up, made the developer do that. I
could spend the rest of this program talking about the
benefits of that, and another important thing. Every council member
in New York City gets five million dollars the capitol

(30:36):
money for the parks and things of that nature, five
hundred thousand to fund programs, and four hundred and fifty
thousand to highest staff. We were able to hire activists
and radicals and revolutionaries. May she rest in peace like
Viola Plumber was my chief of staff of the December
twelfth Movement. Omawally Clay Somber twelfth Movement was my chief

(30:57):
of staff. So we were able to get jobs for
activists to work around the clock in our community and
get a pension and get healthcare and get a decent salary.
There's so many benefits. You don't have to just listen
to these sellout Negro politicians and then get disenchanted and
stay home. Come on out, join our coal ist build

(31:19):
ones like hours across the country and run yourself, run
your own people that you trust and believe in.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Two twenty six away from the toffee. Yeah that's good.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Omen.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Instead instead of complaining, you know, getting the race yourself.
If you can't find anybody you've run. But I got
a tweet question for you though. Charles, just going from
one of our listens in Baltimore, says, can you ask
about New York's reparations bill and who's leading the chargers
in the state and does it have any substance?

Speaker 6 (31:47):
The New York Reparations Bill was my bill when I
was in the State Assembly. I had that bill passed
in the State Assembly, and then we were fighting to
get it asked in the Senate because you know it's
a bi camera body. They passed it again in the
State Assembly after I left, and even though we had

(32:10):
twenty three of the about twenty three of the sixty
three members of the State Assembly, we only needed thirty something.
These reactionary Negro politicians like Senator James Sanders and Lero Comery,
they was jealous and they were not in control of
the bill, so they.

Speaker 9 (32:32):
Changed my bill one line. My bill called for a
New York State Community Commission on Reparations Remedies, and the
key in there is remedies and community. I wanted a
commission where the community would make the appointments of the commissioner.

(32:54):
So we had and Cobra and we had Ron Daniels
in the Institute of the Black World, and we had
the December twelfth movement as the groups that would pick
the majority members of the Commission. When I left those cowards,
they changed that one line and said, no, the governor

(33:16):
will pick three governor hunk or a white woman who
knows nothing.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
And I'll tell you right and hold up all right there, Charles,
we gotta check the news first, and when you come back,
I'll let you finish telling your story. Also, we want
to get an update on what's going on with this
the Hell Nations on the Continent.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Family.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
You just join us, I guess is Charles Baron, the
former New York City lawmaker. Got a question about politics,
So international affairs reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll
taket phone calls after the news. That's next and Grand
Rising family. Thanks are waking up with us on this
Tuesday morning. We're seventeen minutes away from the top of
the Hoye with our guest, Charles Baron. Charles is a
former New York lawmaker. Before we go back to Charles, though,

(33:51):
let me just remind you come up later this morning,
We're gonna speak with We're gonna speak with Babba La
Mumba out of a Moja house in Washington, d C.
Babba La bumbas the Grills and they always comes up
with these thought the working topics. First discussing this morning,
You're gonna it's gonna define freedom. What is freedom means,
because you know, freedom means different things for different sexis
to the Black community. But before we hear from Barbara Lamba,

(34:13):
we're gonna be joined by the founder and the president
of the National Black Farmers Association. Black farmers have been
under a taff for quite a while. John Boyd will
be here tell us what they're doing. Also, they're having
a conference coming up and later this morning. Later this week,
I should say, you're gonna hear from the University of
Marylands of Morgan State, pardon me, doctor Ray Wimbush. Also
Sister Philly will be here from the Million Women's March

(34:35):
as the Economists that doctor Julian mal Vow will join us.
Also Black Women for Positive Changes, doctor Stephanie Meers, and
doctor cam Bowen is gonna check in from Ghana and
he's gonna report on a film festival and a Black
Power conference is coming up in Ghana. So if you
are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio lot
team tied on ten ten WLB, or if you're in
the DMV, run at the fourteen fifteen WL. All right, Charles,

(34:56):
I'm gonna let you finish your thought. Then Tyrone in
Baltimore has a question for you.

Speaker 6 (35:01):
Yes. So we got the bill passed several years ago,
and when I left the State Assembly, they decided to
change my bill one sentence instead of having the community
organizations that I mentioned in Cobra, the December twelfth Movement
and Ron Daniels select the majority members of the commission

(35:26):
And reason why I did that because you know, we
have to have the power on the front end of
selecting the commissioners because on the back end it has
to go back to the state Legislature for final approval
and for the governor to sign anyway, so they still
have the power. But they're so greedy that they got
the sellout Negroes to change one line of my bill

(35:49):
and call it another bill. And that one line was
not the community appointing the commissioners, but the governor, Governor
Hulkell was a white woman was clueless about reparation.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
She gets three votes.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
And then the head of the State Assembly, the black man,
Carl Hasty, he has no history in the reparations movement
like the groups that I mentioned who have forty year histories.
And then Andrea Stuart Cousins, a black woman, head of
the Senate. So they changed the bill, gave those appointings
to them, and they put together a commission. And I said,

(36:26):
we ain't studying nothing. We are determining what the pay
is going to be, what the consequences for our enslavement
and Jim Crowism is going to be in terms of
real concrete things. So now they put together that they
were supposed to be out for a year, so they
spent twenty twenty five twenty twenty four out and they

(36:50):
were supposed to come up with a remedy of how
we should get it, who should get paid, how much
and all that. So here they come, because they're election
is next year twenty twenty six. They decided they're not
gonna give us anything. They need more time. This is
why they want the politicians selecting the commission. They need

(37:12):
more time. So not next year twenty twenty six, when
they're running because they didn't want to say that, you know,
we didn't pass this or didn't do this. They ain't
gonna do nothing until twenty twenty seven. There's only two
people on that commission that I have any respect for
and I have worked with, and that's Lorry Flavors. Favors,

(37:32):
she's a lawyer and I respect her. And Ron Daniels.
They put him on because he was in my bill.
But other than that, I don't know who these other
folks are. They have no history with us. So that's
what's happening with the reparations Bill. In fact, nothing at
this point.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
All right, thirteen away from the Tom Faers I mentioned,
Tyrone is reaching out to us. He's in Baltimore. He's
online too, Grant Rising, Tyrone, you're with Charles Barron.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Rising grand rousing.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Uh, missus Baroning Ran Rising call. I'm just sitting.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
Here and I'm just it's a breather fresh air to
see a black man that has a courage to stand
up to the white power structure.

Speaker 10 (38:11):
In New York.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
And we we actually passed, We actually got a course
together in Baltimore. And the website is both another form
dot org where we got a resolution pass unanimously by
the city council to sell houses for a dollar to
the individual citizen and give about one percent interest loans
to restore the houses blocks at a side. Because and

(38:35):
as you said, they passed the bill, but to sell
out and negroes went ahead. They started they had they
start all kinds of dollars programs as that. They started
one where you had to get your own loan and
you had had said whatever no rate was, and they
you had to pay ninety thousand dollars up front or
see if you get ninety dollars loan. All kinds of
stupid stuff. And we they had us meet with the

(38:57):
housing commissioner who was white and black cities over and
over and over. It sawd us until people forgot all
about it because we were having meets with people. Some
of those means with forty and fifty people. We had
one round it that had two hundred people. And that's
why we were able to get the people together to
get this say, we packed the hall that night and
we would get the same past. And it included jobs

(39:20):
and jobs trained for our people. It included contracting opportunities
for black contractors will normally shut out of it, and
we're still trying to push it. You know it. It
was Bess seventeen ore and thirty seven are at passing
uh in twenty seventeen, and now we're trying to see
what we get ready from the governor. But we had
all these gatekeepers, the stoppers from reaching the governor. So

(39:42):
I'm just asking people go to Baltimore a number, Florida
dot org and look at this thing and it makes
us to you and I know we'll have the governor
meet with us because we were trying. We met with
the Safe Department of Housing Community Development as far as
we got, but the governor has gatekeepers that won't don't
want to do anything with black people, and we know it.
And the same with the mayor. They don't want they

(40:02):
don't want this thing to get to the mayor or
to the government. So we've been invented at that level. Now.
We did meet with Katherine Pugh and she actually gave
us a pilot, but she was out of office a
month later. I don't know if anything to do with it,
but they actually brought up on something some charge with
something that happened like when she was in the Senate,
you know, like ten years ago, and they threw out

(40:25):
of office. But I'm not saying she wasn't wrong or anything,
and I'm not saying that we had anything to do
with that. But suspiciously as she gave us a pilot,
they threw her out of office and then the College
Comisions scrapped the pilot. So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
These people are.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
Working to get the entwers the black people, and they're
telling these houses to do doll perses oliguards at whole
block of the time, yep, and every day.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Right Rightyron, in the interest of time, let me put
the question to challenge what you talked about. So, Charles,
what does Tyrone do about these these blockers who gave
blockers who were blocking for the governor and the mayor?
How did they get around those folks?

Speaker 6 (41:01):
Well, thanks time, we get around it. We always do
a power analysis to find out who has the power
to make the decision and our best interest. That's number one.
Number two, Sometimes it has to be a long range
solution and not immediate, and that is you got to
take them out of office. You know, I know in
in Maryland there's the People's Ujima Progressed Progress People's Progress

(41:22):
Party with Nambi La mumber in them. They organized and
you might want to come to our conference in Philadelphia
this weekend at Temple University. I'll be glad to sit
down with you and talk some or you can, you know,
go to our website that address it it's the twenty
fourth and twenty fifth and it's at Temple University. You

(41:46):
can go on n B National Black Rascal r Political
Congress nb RPC dot org and all of the information
there and I'll be glad to sit with you, or
you can get out my number, cal and you know,
we can definitely call, but h else I don't want.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Okay, all right, reach out to me Tyrone and I'll
get you stumboy, all right. Nine away from the top.
Cliff is now calling from Connecticut. Is on line three,
Grand Rising. Cliff, you're you're on with Charles Barron.

Speaker 12 (42:26):
Hey, Grand Rising for the Carl, Thanks for taking my call. Hey,
brother Baron, thank you so much for my call as well. Listen,
I guess you were right. So we got off the
hook because Eric Adams dropped out, so we got no
other choice. But in reference to the reparations, I want
to join and take part in to that and try
to team up with you in Connecticut because.

Speaker 13 (42:47):
Unfortunately, our the only black groups that we have is
the na A c P. You know, Nigro's always asking
for permission, but be inn the Black Clerk, your association.
But none of them even thinking about reparations. So I
can contact you in terms of teaming up with you
and trying to establish some type of group in Connecticut.

Speaker 6 (43:11):
Yeah, you can call me. You can take my my
email number, Charles Baron C H A R L E
S B A R R O n OP as an
Operation Power OP at gmail dot com. That's Charles Barron

(43:31):
OP at gmail dot com.

Speaker 11 (43:35):
Okay, great, look forward to it. Thank you, brother, thank
you for keeping keeping it real. I appreciate you, sir. Hey, Well,
one more thing, what are your thoughts on the Million
Man March. Did you you like the festivities and were
you in favor of it?

Speaker 6 (43:51):
I was there for the first march on in nineteen
ninety five. I was there for the twentieth anniversary in
twenty fifteen. It was unbelievably phenomenal. You know, people have
their little criticisms, but anytime you can bring one point
eight almost two million of us the first time, another
million twenty years later, and have these brothers and sisters

(44:15):
were at the march as well, come back and get
involved in their community, try to adopt children, get involved
in the struggle to change the system. I mean, it
was one of the best things that ever happened in
our community. And then Fara Khon and rightly went to
Africa after that. Criticized for that, but he went to

(44:36):
Africa to put us in touch with African leaders and
presidents opened up their countries to him and our movements.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
It was great.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
I celebrated every year. I commend them every year. And yes,
people have their criticisms. None of us are perfect. Everybody
has some contradictions, but the bottom line is that there's
never been a greater gathering of humanity in the history
of this country, probably the world.

Speaker 11 (45:05):
I agree. Thank you so much for your comments, Breth
they god much. Thank you, Carl.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Thanks Cliff Uh you mentioned Africa. What's the very latest
going on with the sale nations, because you know we're
not getting any news and that kind of concerns. You
produce these news channels and we don't hear see anything
even in the newspapers. It seems like there's a white out,
if you will, on information coming from the continent. What's
going on with the Sale nations show.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
That's because of the Hell Nations are moving ahead rapidly
and becoming more and more independent and getting rid of
the yoke of colonialism and imperialism and capitalism. For those
just a quick reminder, this a hell revolution started with
Simeon Gota as Simeon Gota on May twentieth and he

(45:50):
was involved in a popular people's youthful coup to get
out the neo colonial government, Black government that France put up.
That in twenty twenty one, and then after that Beking
of Fossil followed in September January September twenty twenty two.
They did the same thing, and then Niejea was next

(46:12):
in twenty twenty three, and then they all left Eco Wants,
the Economic Community of West African States, those are puppet
governments set up by France and America, Franco Africa and
all of that stuff. They left them and they established
the government called the sa Health States, the Alliance of

(46:34):
Sahel States, and they've come together to say several things.
This is their achievements and it's still growing. Called one
they kicked out Africam. AFRICAM was the military bases that
were set up by the United States to exploit Africa
and the name of stopping terrorism. As a matter of fact,

(46:55):
France and the United States promoted terrorism, so they can
say they need the military bases and here to stop
what they do.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Right now, hold up through right there, Charles, we got
to check the traffic whatever. I'll let you finish telling
us what this Heal Nations are doing. I'm thank you
for giving us the background too, because many people don't
know the background. They know they hear about the Heal Nations,
but they don't know the formation and how it all started.
So I thank you for doing that. Four minutes away
from the top of the our families, I mentioned, we
got to check the traffic and weather in our different cities.
And you got a question for Charles barn reach out

(47:22):
to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six and we'll taket calls after traffic and weather.
That's next and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up
with us on this Tuesday morning. I guess there's Charles Baron.
Charles a former New York lawmaker, and Charles is getting
us an update on what's going on this hell nations
on the continent. So Charles, I'll let you finish giving
us the rundown with the changes of these nations in

(47:44):
this year. But Quino Faso and Mally.

Speaker 6 (47:46):
Have made it's been tremendous.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
You know.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
We call it a date. They call it now the
Alliance of the Health Dates. And that's led by Molly
Pakuina Faso and nied Deer and their leaders are same
and Goitter and Molly and Captain Ibraham Treori, the most
popular one in the Kino Faso. Matter of fact, you
call him the second coming of Thomas Sankara, who was

(48:10):
the great leader who in nineteen eighty three liberated the
Fasso was assassinated by his own friend four years later.
So he is following in his first steps. And Titiani
Titiani from Nijeer is all. They're doing the same thing.
All of them said, France, get the hell out of Africa.

(48:32):
Take America with you, take those military bases of America
with you, and by the way, on your way out,
leave the goal behind, because that's ours. Leave the cobot behind.
That's ours, the diamonds, that's our natural resources. And they
also bringing down the terrorism that France and America created
so that they can justify being in the country, ripping

(48:53):
off the country's natural resources. They kicked now Canadian companies
that were taking the you know in Niezeer, they have
so much uranium it lights up a third of Europe,
while Africa's in the dark. Can't even use us own
uranium for itself. So they were able to kick out
some of an African the American basis that by the way,

(49:16):
Barack Obama built more African bases than any other president
in the history of America. A black man just thought,
I'll let you know that. And they have a Confederable bank.
They're saying irs, not irs, I am f the International
Monetary Fund, We're not dealing with you anymore. Your American control,

(49:39):
Europe control, the World Bank. We ain't taking no loan
from you anymore. The World Trade Organization, We're not trading
with you anymore. We're trading amongst ourselves. We're going to
use our own currency. We're getting rid of the CFA
to frank from France, getting.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Rid of that.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
So twenty other nations are following that, and they they're
getting more and more nations joining them and wanting to
be a part of the Alliance of thell not twenty
that's for bricks, but at least several nations are joining
the Alliance for the Health State of the health state.
They also reclaiming their nationalization of the major goals from

(50:20):
predatory Western mining companies like the Barack Goals in Canada,
kicking them out. Niger had nationalized their uranium sector and
agriculture alliance begun and advanced food sovereignty and reduced the
you know, the health concerns that they have. So they
also have their GDP. Their gross domestic product has risen

(50:43):
in Bikino Fasil three point five to five percent. That's
a lot. And they also in Bikino Fassio, they had
a four point seven billion dollar national debt. It is eliminated.
Not too many presidents in any country in the world
could say they eliminated their national debt. Just so that
you know, America's national debt is about thirty six trillion

(51:07):
and rising. So they've been able to achieve that. But
most importantly, they've given hope to the youth to now
be able to say they have a government that they
could support.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
All right, good, thank you, Charles. We've got to let
you go. Got John Boyd on deck. Before we get
to John, though, How can folks reach you? They want
more of this conferences this weekend at Temple University in Philly.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
How can they reach you?

Speaker 6 (51:32):
Well, you can go to nbr PC, the National Black
Radical Political Convention NBRPC dot org and you can get
all the information. It is this weekend at Temple University,
the twenty fifth and the twenty sixth. We're going to
have a PAM Africa.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Is going to be there.

Speaker 6 (51:52):
My wife and I will be doing how to Beat
the Machine. As a matter of fact, you can also
get our book. I wrote a book called Speaking Truth
to Power. You can get in on Bonds and Noble
print on the Man, and there's an article in there
on how to Beat the Machine. And there's an article
in there on reparations and so much more that you
would really appreciate. And if you want to contact me,

(52:13):
you can contact me at Charles Baron C H A
R L E S B A R R O n
op as an Operation Power at gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
All right, thank you, Charles, and thank you for standing
up for us in New York City. Thank you for
and sharing your thoughts with us this morning.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Thank you, Carl.

Speaker 6 (52:33):
I appreciate you so much. Man, keep up to good work.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
All right.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Family six after top of Grand Rising to John Boyd. John,
welcome back to the program.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Paul, thank you for having me and so good to
be back with here.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
John, by the way, family is the founder and the
president of the National Black Farmers Association. You know, John,
the last time we talked, you guys were having some
problems with the administration about money. Has anything changed on
that on the legal fight front? Is anything change since
our last conversation.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
Well, I'll tell you the Trump administration came right in,
called and done away with everything that had to do
anything with you know, black people in this country, and
they cut out all the programs that was helping black farmers.
And it's went from bad to worse with this president.
And we're having our annual conference coming up October thirty

(53:26):
first and November first and Birmingham, Alabama, And it's free
to attend, so for the listeners out there to come
out and get the correct information. Attorney Ben Krump will
be join us, joining us that Friday morning, and just
so much as is going on every day, called this
President comes out and says something to hurt not only

(53:49):
black farmers, but farmers in this country. The only thing
that this president has said that I believe he.

Speaker 14 (53:56):
Kept his word on, was he was going to treat
off the same.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
So right now in the country, call this president is
treating Mike farmers the same way treat black farmers. He's
giving away forty billion dollars would it be forty billion
dollars to Argentina, of all places, to help Argentina farmers.
And just last week the President said that he was
going to be helping Argentina cattle farmers. So here we

(54:26):
are going out of business in America, and this president
is giving a total of forty billion, a complete bailout
to a country and hasn't done nothing for the constituents
right here at home. And every time he does that,
he's hurting. He's hurting the farmers, the farmers. The farm
suicides are up, farm bankruptcies are up, farm foreclosures are

(54:48):
up in this country, and this president is totaling out
forty billion dollars and he says he's putting America's first,
He loves farmers, all of these things called I'm gonna
stop right there and take some questions from you.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Well, yeah, and we're going to talk about the conference. Well,
you know what, John, you know what I thought about
when he had these white farmers from South Africa came in.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
I thought about you your group.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
I want to talk.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
How did you feel when you saw that John.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Man that came out swinging just as hard as I
could call.

Speaker 11 (55:20):
He goes, listen, this president.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Wants to bring white farmers in. And they try to
confuse it when they said africanas and all these other terms.
They are white farmers. W h I te he wants
to bring them in from South Africa, fast path to citizenship, money,
He wants to give him money and provide a homestead

(55:43):
and laying at a federal inventory. They came from black people.
So here he is throwing everybody that has a darker
skin tone in this country and name of them immigrants,
throwing them out this country, hurting them up black with
ice and all this stuff. And they're going to bring
in white farmers based solely on race. So here you

(56:06):
have this administration. I just told you cut out all
these programs for anything they had to do, it begins
with the word black that came in and done away
with it. But they're going to bring white farmers in.
And they said, well, it's not what the president doing
is has had nothing to do with race. It has
everything to do with race. And Steven Miller is at

(56:29):
the core of all of this definition and he's given
the president terminology and they throw it out, and they
throw it out at these press conferences called or well,
maybe we'll just bring some farmers in from South Africa
and they chest the waters and then they'll come back
and try to execute it with very little pushback in

(56:49):
this country, very little pushback. And here, you know, I've
been on your show a number of times talking about
the land in inventory, the five billion dollars in them,
and the land out let me drive trying to get
for poor decades. This president wants to give that land
GiB to white farmers from South Africa. How offensive is

(57:11):
that and how race base is that? Something that this
president said, oh, we're not going to have anything race based,
But they bringing them white farmers solely on a definition
of race white and giving the land that came from
black people and it just h it makes me, It
makes me pissed off to new extent.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
It should beg all of us and feel that way, John,
because when I started that, I thought about it. I
thought about you, says, all the struggles that you've been
going through without black farmers losing our land, and here
comes some white farmers Africanas whatever they want to call them,
from South Africa, not even the black South African farmers,
white South African farmers, and they're getting money and they're
getting land. There was it was airmarked for you guys.

(57:51):
I mean, if that doesn't get you upset, I don't
know what will.

Speaker 15 (57:55):
Let's take it back or step further, providing them with
a homestead, things that they had never done for black
people in this country since we came here on the
slave ships.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Man, we never got any homestead. Our people fought from land,
and we were only able to get land after the
Civil War when they couldn't work you for free. That's
how black people were able to buy land from white
white slave owners and plantation owners were able to buy
that land, and we paid for it three or four
times fold. Like my grandfather explained, it cheated us and

(58:29):
all of these things. After they found out they wanted
the land back. They used the government in the chapter
I've been talking about for three or four decades through
a program called Least Back by back to to steal
land legally from black people in this country and put
it in inventory. And now this president, this president wants
to take it out of inventory and give it to

(58:51):
white farmers. And then they said, oh, we don't want
we want to do away with race, We don't want
any programs to help black people over. You want to
bring white farmers in from South Africa, and you want
to give them land and graves and land. You know,
Native Americans are listening. You're to be pissed off too.
He wants to give them grazing lands from the Department

(59:11):
of Interior. Yes, that's what he wants to do. You
want to take from Indians who what they already been dogged,
and now he wants to take from black people, you know,
and they wanted to continue to put their foot on
that neck. And they don't want us to say anything
about it. Any leader. If you see called on the
news that stands up to this president, he uses his

(59:34):
bully pit to try to suppress them, and uh, you know,
putting a hat on the leader and stuff like this,
you know, and making them dance, all this stuff and
ridicule them. Anyone who stands up our shop and he
puts the old picture of them out of there, all
of these things. Anybody who stands up or says anything
about him. He's a dictator. This president's a dictator.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Fourteen after top there, I finally just checked in. Our
guest is John Boyd. John is the founder of the
president of the National Black Farmers Association. They're having their
thirty fifth and a conference coming up. We're going to
tell you about the conference where We've got some folks
already want to speak with John, and also got some
tweet questions for John. So let's take the call. First,
Let's go to Buffalo, New York. Ross Jilmos waiting for us.
He's online. One grand rising, Ross, Joe Moo. You on

(01:00:19):
with John Boyd.

Speaker 16 (01:00:21):
There's a blessing to the family, brother John. Briefly at
National Action Network heard you speak. We had a little
talk afterwards. You were talking about and you, I would say,
pretty much prophesized that what was going to take places,
as Donald Trump would would make these realities take place
for farmers in America that there would be an opportunity

(01:00:43):
for black people what you just explained earlier, and there
were no lawyers and there were no people to fight
in law to protect black people with the amount of lawyers.
With Ben Crump, can you please talk about her? Can
you make any recommendations what we can do to pull
money together and take at vantage of the downfall as
a black collective, you maybe, and to that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Yes I can, and thank you for that to take
me off and take me back to what I should
be talking to.

Speaker 14 (01:01:11):
And that's what happened right right now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Okay, I'll tell you what John hold that though right
there because we come up on a break and I
want to break your rhythm there because it's a great
question from brother Ross Jellman up in Buffalo. And also
want to talk about the conference as well and how
folks can help because your problem is our problem. This
is what it is. It's our problem all out of
the black community problem. So we have to come together
to help you and we just try to figure out

(01:01:33):
how we can do it. And I want you to
explain that as well, and explain what's going to take
place at the conference.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Family.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
You want to join this conversation with our guest. He's
the founder the president of the National Black Farmers Association.
His name is John Boyd. It's been on here before
and it was telling us about the windy dwindland land
that we have. We used to control in the black community.
Now it's and he'll probably tell us how many eight
because we have now you know, it's just been vanishing
a lot of folks because of bankruptcy, or because of
the business sector, or because of the younger folks don't

(01:02:01):
want to farm the land. We're losing our farm's family.
This is where John Boyd comes in. He's trying to
protect us and trying to grow that area. If you
want to have a question for him, reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
to seventy six and one ticket phone calls next and
Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this
Tuesday morning. I guess there's the founder and the president
of the National Black Farmers Association. Him is John Boyd.

(01:02:22):
They're having their conference, the thirty fifth annual conference coming up,
and there's a lot of issues facing our Black farmers
and they need our help. But John, I'll let you
respond to Brother Ross Jone was question out of Buffalo, Yes,
and it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
Was a great question, and he was asking about my
comments at Rebend Shopton conference. And what I was explaining
was there's going to be a lot of farmers going
out of business this season because of the high input
costs of the farmers face, such as theezer for you

(01:02:54):
lime and seed and fertilizer, and a very very low
come on of the prices. That is at the core
the President's comments on these tariffs and all of this stuff.
There's going to be some opportunities for land that's going
to be coming up for sale that I'm encouraging Black
Americans to buy. So they stole land from us, So

(01:03:17):
I'm saying, as they're losing land, that we have to
organize and pull money together so that we can start
to buy some of this land when it comes up
for auction and for sale. So at everything that's sometimes
at a bad opportunity can also bring out some opportunities
for Black America too, is what I'm saying. So I

(01:03:38):
wanted to encourage that we having the whole session about
they call it upcoming conference tuber thirty first and the
women first in Birmingham, Alabama. And he also asked me
about the issue of attorneys. We need more attorneys that
could assist our organization. I've been trying to file an
injunction to block white farmers from coming in to the

(01:04:03):
country solely based on race. I'm saying that it's anti
you know what that they're doing to us. So one aspect,
I want to challenge the quote unquote definition of the
EI solely based on race, and I want to challenge
that in federal court of how can you bring in
white farmers solely based on race? And I've been looking

(01:04:26):
for a firm to do that, and I haven't been
successful in securing that firm yet. So we need more attorneys.
And you know, hats off to Ben Crump was everywhere
trying to do everything for our people. So he's out
there trying to help. But there's other firms that need
to get involved and come in and represent some of
these farmers that need legal representation around the country. And

(01:04:50):
what we really need is an organization that could represent
these farmers and their businesses in each state. Steven Miller
in that bunch block to five B and that relief
in federal court, and they did it by states such
as Texas and Flood and Michigan, all these states, and

(01:05:11):
I had to hire law firms call in each one
of those states to represent us. And that's what took
us out of the game. And we spent a lot
of money hiring those firms in each state. We need
our own core of our attorneys around the country that
when these things come up like this, we have our
own network of attorneys to represent us.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
All right, the call has been made in twenty three
out the top hour. That's John Boyd, founder President of
the National Black Farmers Association. We've got a lot of
brilliant attorneys, legal minds out there, and you want to
do something, you know, but part of the promise, John,
they're working for the other side. They're not working for us.
So those of you out there who are conscious black lawyers,
litigators that want to help the National Black Farmers because

(01:05:56):
you're helping us. So now John's going to give you
all the information and can attend the conference and all
that good stuff. But John, what are some of the
unique challenges of facing black farmers today?

Speaker 10 (01:06:08):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
It's number one is access to credit. The farmers are
coming in calling us asking for emergency loans and assistants
that we aren't financially strong enough to provide. And that's
what takes us out of the game called because farming
is time sensitive. When it's time to harvest, my combines

(01:06:29):
have to hit the field, and when it's time to plant,
my planner has to be conditioned enough to hit the field.
And I need all of the things that I talked about, lying,
fertilizer and the good seed to get out there. So
we need financial support. There's foundations that since this president
has came into office have turned the blind eye to

(01:06:52):
black farmers and other social causes in this country because
they're afraid of this president. They've taken away and opportunities
at the federal government. And name this d. You know,
God never gave anybody any any authority to to name
me something. My name is John Boyd. Your name is
called Nelson then, and we're a black man. You can

(01:07:15):
say that, but you can't just change our name every
ten years and then say when something like this comes up,
this is your name, and this is how it's going
to take you, take you out of the game. And
that's what this that's what this president has done by
naming us d I and scaring the be scaring these companies,
these fortune five hundred companies from importing us too. So

(01:07:35):
my call to day on your show is, as the
government doesn't want us and corporate America has turned its
back on us, we have to support one another and
we have to come together in this country. If we
can't come together right now, call in this country as
bad as this president is treating Black America, then there's
then there's something wrong with us, is my is my

(01:07:56):
message today. Let's come together and let's fight back. And
the way to do that is to fight collectively. They
isolated us by definition black, and we need to come
together like we were in the sixties and things of
that nature, and band together and pull our moneys together
and so we can advance to betterment of our people.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Well, John, let me jump in and ask you this.
At twenty six out of top of he thought about
joining up with some of our brothers and sisters on
the continent. If America won't play with us, then we
can get they, you know they we can play with
them over there. Is there any talk about the black
farmers on the continent.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
I'm working on that and I'm working on a trade
mission and a trade deal with countries in Africa through
a memorandum of understanding. And I don't want to let
the cat all the way at the back, but that's
something I think is going to be a big initiative
for us where it could take us around some of
the issues that this president Steven Miller in that bunch

(01:08:57):
trying to take us out. I want to turn to
our brothers and sisters and the motherland and partner with
them and ship out goods such as soybeans right now
called in even in Virginia where I am the buying stations,
these are the stations where palmers take their truckloads of soybeans, too,

(01:09:19):
are already full, and they are full because countries like
China and others hasn't placed any orders to purchase American
soybeans in this country. So it's an opportune time to
get some grain to our brothers and sisters in the
motherlands and countries in Africa.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
And now the Chinese haven't placed in the orders. Is
that because of the tariffs.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
It's because of the terriffts. Yes, the President's tarriffs. Every
time he opens his mouth and says the word tariff,
the price drops, and what I've been noticing called on
a lot of these articles and interviews that I'm doing
around the country. Many Americans, white and black, don't understand
that farmers.

Speaker 14 (01:10:03):
Are price taker as we not price giver us. We
sell these crops based on the market. So it's not
like people say, why don't you just raise your prices.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
Boy, corn wheat and soy beans. These are the crops
that pay farmers bills, not the truck farming you know,
selling some tomatoes three four dollars. My hat's off to
that brother, but paying real bills and mortgages and tractor notes.
The commodities that do it are corn, wheat and soy

(01:10:36):
beans and beef cattle, all things that black farmers raise
and abundance in this country and me can do it.
They're controlled by the market. And every time this president
says the word tariff, tariffs against China, tariffs against Mexico, Mexico,
Mexico is the number one purchase of US crown corn.
China is the number one purchase of US chron soy beans.

(01:11:00):
And Canada, who is imposing tariffs on our friends in Canada?
They have all of the ingredients for fertilizers that we
use here in the country. So he's came in within
nine ten months and totally turn agriculture upside down, you know,
face down in this country. And that's why you see

(01:11:23):
the prices are so low and our input costs is
so high for all the things that it takes to
make the crap. That's a recipe for disaster. And like
I said, for every disaster, there's on the flip side
of that corn, it's some opportunity. And I want to
use this bad time for farmers and try to turn

(01:11:43):
it into a positive time for black for black farmers.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
There you go, thirty minutes at the top of the
our family, I guess there's the founder and president of
the National Black Farmers Association. They're having their thirty fifth
conference coming up, and we're going to tell you all
about the commerce is so important to tweet questions for
John Boyd and this one, let me just read this
one for a bait, and he says, thanks for having
this guest on the show. I decided to support a
black farmer who drives three hours to Stafford, Virginia from

(01:12:11):
Rocky Mountain, North Carolina. Ask him if he's familiar with
the watermelon man.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
I am, I am, and he's been out there working
at the USCA Farmer's Market and they bring us watermelors
out there. And those are the kinds of people called
we have to lift up in this country. When you
know that brother's out there, go buy out there, support them,
and for those of us that can afford it, tip
their brother, tip them. These are the things that's going

(01:12:37):
to help us survive through these very very difficult times
in this country for our people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
All right, And another tweet question for you, John the
tweeter says, tell our listeners the high cost we will
be paying to eat food from other countries. How can
our listeners help you today? Can we order your product directly?
Can we donate to your cause?

Speaker 17 (01:12:58):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
They can go to Blackfarmers dot org. Everything is there.
The important conference that you're talking about, This is where
people need to be so they can get all of
this information. We have a two day event is free
to a tend. It's free to attend. There's no cover charge.
You gonna have to pay to get in and attend

(01:13:20):
these very important breakout sessions. So the conference will be
only successful as our people if you don't have to
be a farmer to attend. You can be there to
support the cause and to see on the flip side
of what you can do to be involved and support
a black farmer in this country. So you don't have
to be a farmer. It's free to attend. And we

(01:13:41):
need like minded individuals to come together and share those
thoughts and concerns so we can move some things in
the positive manner in this country. That's the only way
that this is going to work. People. We've got to
come out to these events like this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Yeah, and we should come out, and we're going to
give you more information about that. What sort of information
will I receive if I go? So you know, I'm
not a farmer, but I'm supporting the cause. What what
what sort of information will I receive it? How can
I use it back? And if I knew a black
farmer out there, how can I get this information to them?

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Here's something called that we've been hearing a lot of
and it's music to my ears.

Speaker 11 (01:14:16):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
There's a lot of new and beginning farmers that want
to get into farming in this country. You know, how
do I how do I break through? How do I
break the ice? We have a session at the beginning
of the conference. You know how to start your farm,
you know, one on one and we break it down
for you. These are the basic twols, and this is
how you navigate the system. You know what to do,

(01:14:40):
what to stay away from. I think that panel for
young people and that session would would you know, breathe
some life of hopeing to what they're trying to do,
because they're idea trying to do it on their own,
and it's easy to make a mistake, and farming people,
it's easy to make them mistakes. So I made all

(01:15:00):
the mistakes for you, so I can tell you what
to stay away from and you know and what you
do and who to contact and these type things. That's
the I would think that's a very big highlight of
what we're going to be doing. There's some complaints in
court that I'm going to.

Speaker 14 (01:15:17):
Be going over and how to take parts and then
those particular particular lawsuits.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
All of these things will be a part of the session.
How to get together and buy some land or something
that you know, is one of my big initiatives out here,
called for for a very very long time, and it's
actually coming together and we actually help some people, you know,
you know, buy some man and that's that's something that's
a huge initiative out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Here all right, twenty six away from the top of
our family with John Boyd, the founder and the president
of the National Black Farmers Associated. They're having their thirty
fifth national conference coming up and we'll tell you more
about that. But just because she was joining us from
Silver Spring and Maryland, she's online one right, sister Casiba
with John Boyd.

Speaker 18 (01:16:02):
Yes, grand rising to you and mister John Boyd. I
don't know if this is a conspiracy theory, but it
was a couple of decades ago when a Republican about
the name of Ronald Reagan, his Secretary of Agriculture. A

(01:16:25):
lot of farmers lost their land during that time, a
member farm AID. Now what we're seeing is farmers losing
their land again under another Republican administration. There's talk about
a big there by the name of Gates buying up

(01:16:48):
a lot of farm land in this country because he's
into genetically modified crops. Do you think there's any.

Speaker 10 (01:16:57):
Truth to that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
It is a lot of truth to it. And they're
also buying a lot of land and they have different
company names that they buy land under at these farm auctions.
There are two interviews that are beating against farmers like myself.
One is China through different company names, and the other

(01:17:21):
is Bill Gates for example, and the community that I
live in, board Turn like my name, Boardton, Virginia. Microsoft
has purchased bath amounts of land building data centers, and
the average price for acre before they came into this

(01:17:42):
area was about thirty five hundred dollars an acre to
four thousand dollars an acre. Now since Microsoft is in
my community, land is up fifteen to between fifteen thousand
dollars acre and twenty thousand dollars acre, which totally takes
the farm are out of play of purchasing purchasing land,

(01:18:03):
and that's what they do. He wants to have unnamed
it fake beef and now they I believe they're working
with the administration to do that because now we at
the lowest point in history the cattle production in the
United States, and he's made a deal to buy that,
like I told you at the top of the show,

(01:18:24):
to buy this beef now from Argentina instead of investing
in America's farmers at home, we have vast amounts of
land in line dormant, and some from black farmers that
they can invest moneys in to help them start a
cale cab operations. So yes, I think it's by design.
And every time you see what happened like in the
Reagan administration, he came in and closed up the Office

(01:18:47):
of Civil Rights and they wanted to do away with
black farmers way back then, and they wind up hurting
who white farmers. They were committing suicides, and the same
things that you're seeing happening now happened. And you're correct
on the Reagular administration where they lost that best amount
of land.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
So let's all right there, John, We've got to step
aside and get caught up with the latest news. Kashiba,
I thank you for your call. It's twenty three minutes
away from the top there. Family, just checking in. Our
guest is the founder and the president of the National
Black Farmers Association. They're having their thirty fifth that national
conference coming up. We're going to talk about that as well.
You can reach us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

(01:19:25):
calls after the news that's next and Grand Rising Family
facts for staying with us on this Tuesday morning at
sixteen minutes away from the top they I want to
shout our teachers on the way to school, this is
Tuesday morning, and maybe you'll hear something on the program
you can pass on to our young people. Our guest
is the founder and the president of the National Black
Farmers Association and it's John Boyd. You've heard heard him before.

(01:19:46):
Before we go back to John the let me just
remind you coming up with later this morning, we're going
to hear from Baba Lambo at the Inmosa House in Washington, DC.
He always has these thought provoking topics of discuss. This
morning's going to talk about freedom. What is freedom and
how do we achieve it? And later this week in
here from MORGANSTA Professor doctor Ray Wimbush. Also Sister Filey
is going to be with us from the Million Women's March.

(01:20:07):
Economists that doctor Julian Malfow will also join us. Black
One for Positive Changes. Doctor Stephanie Meyers will be here. Also,
we're going to go to ghan A Live. Doctor Cambowen
is going to check in with us from Ghana's to
talk about a film festival that's taking place there and
also a Black Power conference. So if you are in Baltimore,
make sure you keep your radio locked in tight on
ten ten WLB, or if we're in the DMV, we're
on FM. They were on AM fourteen fifty WL. So John,

(01:20:31):
let's go back because one of the things that our
family should know that they're not making any more land.
And one time we had a conversation. He were saying
that some of the young people were selling the land
because they didn't want to get into the farming business
because this is what their parents did. A lot of
a lot of children are like that. They don't want
to follow what their foots with their parents dire. But
you're saying that you've seen a cadre of young folks
now I want to get into farming. Are these are

(01:20:52):
these are younger folks or these people who had experience?
If not, can they benefit from coming to the conference?

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Can definitely benefit from coming to the conference. And they
need to be there, that's the first thing. So we
want them to come out and take part because those
are the next generation of farmers. The average age of
a black farmer is six sixty one and a half
years of age, and we need young people to partner

(01:21:20):
with older farmers and to take over their skill set
and those farming operations. So it's very, very important to
have that population involved. And you said the sentence that
I've been saying for a very very long time. God
don't make no more land. And that's the way my
grandfather said it in that sentence. And you just spoke

(01:21:42):
about what is freedom. My grandfather also said, if you
want to be free, own some land. Every step you take,
every step you make, requires land ownership. You can either
be on your own or you can be trespassing on
somebody else's land. Is the essence of everything. If you
have land, you can borrow money. Somebody's gonna land you

(01:22:03):
some money. If you have some land, you can grow
some food to feed yourself and your families. You can
build a home and the homestead if you own some land.
So for those about black families in the South that
have the land, don't sell the land. It's non negotiable.
Don't never ever sell the land. It's not adoption to
our people. Find someone in the family that's interested in it,

(01:22:26):
and if it's there's property, work it out amongst yourselves.
Don't air your dirty laundry. Out there for everybody else
work it out. There has to be a person in
that family that's interested in that land. Sell it to
them and put aside the past differences and the black families.
And these are the things that I hear all the

(01:22:46):
time called around the country. We have to let some
things go so we can move forward. But don't let
the land get away. Because if the land gets away,
a white man in this country is not going to
sell it back to you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Check that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
And if you have to sell it, just must have
to sell it. Look for a black family or another
black farmer, and we're got to do with them.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
Yeah, if it must that's the last object called right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
That's right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
So let's let's got the conference though, John, what time
where's the conference going to be? What time does it start?
And tell us more about the conference.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
The conference is our thirty fifth anual conference. It's going
to be in Birmingham, Alabama this year. Birmingham, as you
say in the country, b Ham. You know it's going
to be there this year, and it's going to be
farmers from all around the country. October thirty first through
November November first is the actual dates the conference starts

(01:23:45):
each day from nine am to five pm. That Saturday night,
we have an awards program where we honoring now black
farmers around the country and this is going to be
a packed, innovative obsession, but we want people to interact.
That's how you make a difference.

Speaker 19 (01:24:04):
People.

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
You can come in and partner and find other black
farmers from your state to see what they're doing, to
see how we can start working together and doing some things.
So again it's thirty fifth annual conference and it's free
to attend people, so there's no cover charge. And you
know you can find some people in car pool and
get there and go to Black Farmers with the S

(01:24:28):
B L A, C, K, F, A, R M, E
R S dot org and registered now and you know,
I want to see your face in the place. People.
It's time. It's time for us to make some efforts.
And it's ten of important commerces.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Like this, all right, ten away from the topic that
we'll give you that information again before John Leeves, if
you're driving and get it, we'll share it with you.
And if you don't, just call the studio. Kevin will
have the information for you. But John, one time we
talked about you working in callis with some of the HBCUs.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Do that have a material?

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
It did? It did, and we're having a session on that.
We're going to have some college Black colleges come out
and they have a session where the young people are
creating by avenues to make things better for black farmers
and we have a competition on that and we're going
to select the winner of that project. So each HBCU

(01:25:23):
is presenting a project that they think would make you know,
life better and how to improve on a black farmer's business.
So hey man, we talked that up on your show
and it's coming to Fluition and I know Dell State
and others are going to be at this conference making
a presentation to the conference attendees of young people man

(01:25:46):
putting their minds and innovation minds together to see how
they could help us out in this crisis. So thank
you so much for asking that I missed that talking point,
but there it is. And we're glad to have black
college take part in this conference.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Right and let me just throw a challenge to all
the black colleges. You guys need to show up at
this event in Birmingham October thirty first November.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
Students and some students.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Yeah, because this is your future. This is you folks, this.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
Is you know, that's our future.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
This is it because you don't want to be buying
your food from Japanese or Chinese or somebody else when
you have the land. But John, let me get to
throw this at you. If someone says I want to
get into farming, but I'm not quite sure what product
I should do or what product I should farm, do
you help them out making those kind of decisions as well?

Speaker 13 (01:26:36):
We can.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
We can because what grows good in Virginia may not
grow good in Alabama. So, for example, the top commodities
in Virginia, of course peanuts, tobacco and other other commodities
that you can grow in the bunnets and you know,
make some money. So those commodities may not be the
same in Louisiana where it's sugar. And that's why you

(01:26:59):
need to come to the conference to see, you know,
what's good for your area and what other black farmers
are doing in those particular states. You can find a
mentor if you're in a certain state that a farmer's
already out there, seasoned black farmer. And that's what we're
losing in this country every time we lose a black
farmer that has generational wealth and skill set. You know,

(01:27:23):
I'm a fourth generation farm I was taught to farm,
you know, the art skill set of farming from my daddy,
John Board, Senor and my grandfather Thomas Board taught me
everything I know about farming. And we have to teach
that to the next generation of farmers. So there are
older black farmers that are there that you can tap
your skill set in their minds on what to do

(01:27:44):
and become a master farmer.

Speaker 11 (01:27:45):
Like they are.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Eight away from the top of that with the founder
and the president of the National Black Farmers Association, John Boyd, John,
give us some numbers. Now, break it down, because when
you started getting involved in politically in the farming business.
How many acres do we have we have ben and
how many acres do we have right now?

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
Oh man, we're at the turn of the century. We
own twenty million acres of land, twenty million acres of
land in the United States, primarily in the southeastern corridor
of the United States. And then the numbers get smaller
as you brought into the Midwestern and California, and we're
down to roughly three and a half to four million

(01:28:25):
acres of land, and Bill Gates and others on more
land than all the blacks in this country put together.
And I want to change that. I want to change it.
If you can afford people, closure is a raggedy as
Cadillac and the Mercedes Benz. You can afford five acres
in the country. Don't buy that new pickup truck, SUV

(01:28:48):
and the Cadillac and leave it right there and go
out and buy five acres in the country. Just what
you know. Land is transferable by deed. You know, I
can't give you my education, I can't pass that on
to you, but I can pass on my land by
a deed of trust to my children and grandchildren. So
land is transferable and it's it's it's generational wealth if

(01:29:12):
you can do something with it. And that's the thing there.
So they don't make no more land. Buy some land,
buy some land, and you can start with five acres.
You can start small and then start to build up.
But we have to start somewhere. It is my message
on the show today called Yeah and John.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
What happened though? We had so much land and all
of a sudden now.

Speaker 4 (01:29:33):
We lost it, we lost it. So there's a couple
of fascets there.

Speaker 7 (01:29:36):
One.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Uh, some of the land losses is on us.

Speaker 17 (01:29:40):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Some families didn't pay their taxes and and and we
passed on we didn't pass on the land by you know,
wills and all of these things. And some chose to
move what we call up south. If you lived in
the Carolinas, we drove up south to uh, Washington, DC
and New York City. If you lived in mississip we
drove to Detroit. Another in Chicago, So that part is

(01:30:06):
on us. And then the government did the other half
to blacks in this country through a legalized program called
least Back by back, where they were stealing land legally
and putting it in federal inventory and giving it and
leasting it to whites for pennies on the dollar, where
they could have worked with us to keep the land.
And you know, my daddy said, when I went to

(01:30:28):
buy farm from another black farm, his name was Russell Sally,
he said, well, we're gonna get money from And I
told mister Sally, I didn't know. I said, where your
boy money? He said. Under the Carter administration, there's a
new program out there for blacks, he said, but the
government doesn't like black people. And my daddy always said,

(01:30:49):
the government and black don't belong in the same sentence.
And that's how they took us out when many black
farmers started getting by farm operating loans as the last
ditch resort, and the government tied a rap loan on
a deed to trust, so for a very miniscule amount
of money, they will put a lane on our notes,

(01:31:09):
on our palms. And then when we couldn't pay it back,
they took the land and put it into federal inventory.
And that we lost millions and millions of acres of
land through that through that route. So the government, the
very agency that's supposed to lend the land up to blacks,
was the very agency that was taking us out, uh,

(01:31:30):
you know, by the thousands in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
All right, for away from the top, John, we got
a tweet question for you. Then we're gonna let you
go tweet, but we got to check the traffic, so
I'll let you think about this and you can respond
after that. We checked the traffic. The tweeter says, what
is the devastating effect on Trump's actions that we'll have
on our kitchen tables. So I'll let you pumper that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
We checked the traffic in our different cities. As I mentioned,
it's four minutes away from the top. They our family,
I guess it's the founder and the president of the
National Black Farmers Association. Our black farmers are under attack
line most of us are. What are your thoughts? Reach
out to us at eight hundred and four five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls
after the trafficking weather together. That's next at Grand Rising Family.
Thanks for rolling with us on this Tuesday morning. My

(01:32:10):
moman t hellor we're going to speak with Baba Lamumba
is bomba Lamumba is a grill from a mojor house
in Washington, d C. But let's wrap up with the
founder and the president of the National Black Farmers Association,
John Boyd. They're having the conference the thirty fifth and
conference have taken place October thirty first and November first
in Birmingham. But the tweet question that left it with
John is if we don't support our black farmers, what

(01:32:32):
will be the devastating effect of Trump's actions will have
on our kitchen tables.

Speaker 14 (01:32:37):
Yeah, So it's going to be high food prices.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
You know, long Leve the man that can fete himself,
you know, and this president has taking us away from
that our call. As we wrap up, this president then
played white farmers in this country. He played them, he
got there, got their vote. Nine and a half per
cent of by Thomas voted for this president. That's on
your show telling people to vote for Kamala Harrison, and
they didn't do it for whatever reason. Now this president

(01:33:03):
played them, and now he's putting them on the auction block.
So they got played on this one forty billion dollars
to Argentina and they're waiting on some bail out. There's
not going to answer the question. So and shortly, the
answer is higher food prices for the American consumers when
you go into the grocery stores because right now we're

(01:33:24):
in important eggs and now beef, things that we did
in the United States for generations and abundance, we are
now not not able to produce it to a feed
American people.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
I got to ask you this, John, are you getting
any support from the NAACP, the Congression Black Caucus, and
any of those.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
Well, thank you, and I love my paper call before
I answer. I love black people. I love my people
with all our problems and everything, I love my people.
I think we can get an invite man to speak
at the Congression of Black Caucus with all of this,
with farming at the top of the new charge in
this country, uh and the terrorists and the effects on terrafts.

(01:34:04):
Nobody even extended the invite to say, hey, man, come
out and speak at the Congressional Black car because so
not even on the national level with the NAACP. You know.
So my phone number is there and I will you know,
I want to be a part of health things moving forward.
I don't want to be the guy that bash our people.

Speaker 14 (01:34:25):
But I think we can do a little bit better
at working together.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
Yeah, well we're going to work on that for sure.
We're definitely going to work on that. John, But before
we let you go, give us the details of the
conference and how can folks is the email address?

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
How can folks get involved?

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
Yeah, email address is my name, John J. O. H. N.
Wesley W. E. S. L. E. Y or wait to
b O.

Speaker 17 (01:34:49):
Y D.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
Junior j R. At gmail dot com. And the website
for the conference Black Farmers with the s dot Org
Blackfarmers with the SS dot org and you can register
now for free to attend our conference October thirty first,
twenty twenty five begins at nine am to five pm

(01:35:13):
and November first, twenty twenty five from nine am to
five pm, and then we have our gala that night
is free to attend. We have a pack schedule and
we want Black America, not just farmers, Black America to
be in attendance to see what we can do to
help our farmers. And there be other businesses there that

(01:35:34):
we can start to share our ideas with so we
can move forward.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Yeah, now that we just came in, they want to
know if he's going to be streamed.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
I'm sure it is. And all that information people click
on Blackfarmers dot org. Everything is there, the whole information
package about the conference. There's times, the speakers, the sessions.
Blackfarmers dot org. If you have any further questions. Eight
oh four six nine one eight five to eight. Again

(01:36:06):
that's eight zero four six nine one eight five to eight.
See you there, Birmingham, Alabama.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
All right, thanks John, Thanks thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
For the work that you do.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
For doing what you're doing, you are making a difference
for our people.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
We love you, No, we love you. You're doing You're
the one that's putting the work. Thanks John, Thank you brother.
All right, that's John Boyd family. He's the founder and
the president of the National Black Farmers Association. It's been
going at this as they mentioned, this is the thirty
fifth anniversary the conference that they're taking place, and they
mentioned how many it's land we have lost. You know,
they're not making any more new land. Everybody's buying up

(01:36:43):
land and except us, so we've If you know somebody
who's interested in farming, just please just pass on this
information to them so they can maybe they can attend
or you know, get all the information. If they can attend,
get all the information. We need more and more of
our folks owning our own land. That's that's that's that's important.
It's imperative that we do that. Six minutes after the
top of the our family, let's bringing now Baba Lamumba.

(01:37:05):
Babbl Laumba works out of Emoja House in Washington, d C.
Is one of our grills. Grant Rising, Baba Lamomba, welcome
back to the program.

Speaker 10 (01:37:12):
Grand Rising brother, glad to be back.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
You know, we're just having the conversation with John Boyd
about freedom, and he says one of the things about
freedom is the land. He says that that's a key
component because they're not making anymore land. I just want
to get your thoughts of that before we get into
what you came here to talk about.

Speaker 10 (01:37:31):
Well, you know, that's obviously true of you know, and
the question is is at some point about what land
do you control and own it? Not so much as
an individual, but also as a people. You know, where
we are, you know, we talk, we use the word
African and that is that our land or and if

(01:37:54):
it's our land, why don't we control what it is
that that land brings forward, that land has in the
way of riches, and uh, you know, why does someone
else control it? You know? In other words, we end
up working on land that we call our own for
somebody else, you know, on an international level. On a

(01:38:15):
national level, of course, the robbery of our land, the
stealing of our land, which the which the brother pointed out,
was complicit with the government. It was part of a
plan to make sure that our job of just being
brought here to work for them is the position that

(01:38:35):
we continue to hold hell then and continue to essentially
hold now and land is a a is a great
dividing point, is what you know? Uh in the Republican
new after you us talk about free the land? Well, yes,
free the land, the ownership of the land free. So
that issue is a key and important one and one

(01:38:57):
to help us understand our situation and define freedom, which
is really what I wanted to talk about today is
how do we define freedom? What does it mean? You know,
you talk about liberation, we have a freedom movement, but
we never really define what freedom is. And part of that,

(01:39:19):
of course is land. Freedom has to be equated with
with the ownership and the use of land. The land
essentially means the earth itself. What part of the earth.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
Do you control?

Speaker 10 (01:39:34):
Do you own? What part of the earth does your
people have say over and benefit from? Et cetera. So
that issue is extremely important.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Ten after the top of the family, just checking in,
Baba la Mumba's I guess there's a grill works out
of Emojia House in Washington, d C. Brothers and sisters,
elders come together and have these discussions and they come
and put it before us on the radio. Baba la Mumba.
It turning about freedom, though, how do you define freedom?
Is freedom every black person has the same idea of
freedom or it is freedom different for some folks other

(01:40:07):
than other folks.

Speaker 10 (01:40:09):
Well, yeah, that's the question that we sort of have avoided.
We use the term as though everybody understands what it is,
but that's not true. It's a term that could mean
almost any Donald Trump uses the term freedom, but he
certainly doesn't mean freedom for you or us and we.
So it's a term that has to be looked at

(01:40:30):
it very closely because it amounts to our goal. And
if we don't define what our goal is, which is freedom,
we don't say exactly what that means to us and
for us, then we don't have a clear path to
a specific accomplishment something that with our struggle is is

(01:40:51):
in existence to create. So, you know, we have to
look at this question and closely, and it's a perpetual question.
It's a question that comes up in many forms for
our people. You know, for example, if you define yourself
as a civil rights worker, then your goal isn't independence

(01:41:12):
or land. Is assimilation successfully similation into this society. That's
your goal, because civil rights means all you're seeking is
the right to be a full and complete, equal member
of the societies in But the problem with that definition
is a society that captured you, as stold you, that

(01:41:35):
took you away from your own identity, that robbed you
of that identity. So when you accept that notion, when
you accept the notion that all you want is acceptance
into this society, you're accepting the idea and perpetuating the
idea that that was okay, that that you might even

(01:41:55):
be suggesting that was a good thing because such all
you want is to be part of society. Stealing you
from Africa gave you an opportunity to be a part
of this society. So, you know, we have a problem
with this question of goal. We have a problem of
defining freedom. The other alternative of that, of course, is

(01:42:17):
our definition of freedom is the freedom that Black nationalists
have always talked about building our own nation state, having
our own in other words, creating an alternative to America,
not trying to live in it. You know, and I
think I've said this before or any times on your show,
on others, that this presents a kind of duality of

(01:42:41):
contradiction in US, we actually can't separate those two. What
seemed to be contradictory goals. We know we live here,
we know we depend on schools here, we depend on
hospitals and health etc. Here, So it is important for
us to improve the here, the where we sit, where

(01:43:04):
we stand. The brother who talked, who became before we
were talking to, he's a farmer. Well, they're farming here
in America. So their struggle is not necessarily creating an
alternative America. But it but it is the realization that
until you create an alternative to America, you don't have

(01:43:26):
the control you need to benefit from your own land.
You know, you can work hard and try to make
the head like it's the fact to the It's kind
of like the position between that that Malcolm excp uh
pushed and the position that doctor King pushed early on,
which was, you know, we are here indeed to be

(01:43:51):
accepted and assimilate into this society, whereas Malcolm's message, of
course was no, we're here to build our own society.
We're here to strengthen ourselves. We're here to be to
re establish our control over ourselves and to return to
some extent to our previous state prior to being enslaved.

(01:44:15):
We know that that course is going to be somewhat
different than it was for a number of reasons. Why,
because not only did they steal us, they also colonized Africa,
so they ended up creating, for example, the countries that
we know in Africa were created by Europeans. They weren't
created by Africans. So the difference between Nigeria and Liberia

(01:44:37):
and Bukino Fossil and Ghana except those are all lines
in which Europeans and their own interests created and divided
ourselves up. Well, that's that's a form of slavery. So
freedom for Africans. That's why the concept of Pan Africanism
is so such as strong is uniting our people. But

(01:45:01):
even that runs into difficulty when it comes to coming
up with the gold or something that we can achieve,
because we're taught now that those those lines are saclo sync,
those lines, those borders. A good example of that that
that situation is when the Eble people tried to create

(01:45:25):
the Offera. They actually had a war with Nigeria with
the federal government. Of course, the federal government ended up winning.
The federal government as a support of England, which created
is going in the in the first place. So be
offering people can't have their own country. Well be offering.

(01:45:46):
People should have their own identity, they have their own identity,
they should have their own country. But people, even people
like Stokely Carmichael, who was a Pan Africanists when he died,
not supports independence. You know, why why would you choose

(01:46:08):
a European construct like Nigeria over an African construct struct
like the Opera, which is a people in Africa who
want their own identity, want their own nation state. So
we have this contradiction about what it is we stand,
what what are we fighting for? Uh that we haven't

(01:46:29):
really come to grips with. We haven't really come and
it's going on for a very very very long time
in our community actually.

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
Most people, right and who I thought?

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
Right there, Baba Lama. We'll get into a definition of freedom,
because freedom means different things. And my question here, I'll
let you ponder this during the break. Is freedom different
based on your socio economic level. It's freedom for Clarence
Thomas different from its freedom for baby La Mumbas all
all his freedom the same just because we share the
same skin tone. I'll let you address that when we

(01:47:01):
get back sixteen after the top. They have family. I
guessed is Baba la Moomba. He's one of our grills,
works out of emja house in Washington, DC. You got
a question about freedom, reach out to us at eight
hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls next and grand Rising family,
thanks for staying with us on this Tuesday morning. And
I guess is one of our grills, Babba Lamumba out
of a moja house in Washington, DC. And he's defining

(01:47:23):
what freedom is. Just think for a moment. What is
freedom to you? And the question I posted him before
we left, is it based on the socioeconomic realities? The
freedom for the drug dealer, he's telling as much drugs
as he can and he's free and it can't do
whatever he wants. He's got money is money to end game.
For the educator, get a good education, get then you
get a good job, get a good job.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
You're free.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
For the legislator, I can make laws that the freemare
up and I can be free to do everything that
I want to do. I can take vacations and all that.
So my question to you, Babba Lamola is the end product.
How much money I make? Is that freedom?

Speaker 10 (01:48:00):
Well, I think for the for the bourgeois collass if
you will, for the those who are who benefit. And
that's that's really what they mean. How can I get
more money or how can I keep secure my money?
It's impersonal. That's what benefits me. But the question is
what what how do we how does the people? What

(01:48:23):
benefits our people, not not you? What benefits what changes
our status? How do we become a uh self determining
powerful people? That that really is the question of freedom.
Freedom is a collective issue. It's not how I benefit.
You know, if I want to buy a Mercedes, I'm

(01:48:44):
driving the Forward, but I really want to drive a Mercedes,
and I get a better job and it gives me
that money. You say, well, I'm free now I'm driving
a Mercedes. Well you know that you're not free, you know.
And what we do at the expense of our people,
we use Clarence tom Use. He exists. Really, he has
his whole status, his position, his place on the Supreme

(01:49:07):
Court by virtue of the fact that he is opposed
as black people. You know, he makes a good living,
and he would decide, he would probably define that as
freedom by virtue of him being an opposition to our interests.
So some people actually make a living by defining freedom

(01:49:30):
in terms of their own interests. The majority of our
people probably define freedom in terms of them just doing
better than they're doing now or being more secure basically
on economic terms. But the reality is freedom has to
be defined as the transgression of those that which was

(01:49:52):
done us to us as a people, and the first
transgression was that we were stolen from our culture and identity.
That has to be addressed. If you don't address that
in your definition of freedom, then you're not trying. But
you're not trying to free a people. You're trying to
improve your own life circumstances based on your own values
or what you see, and you've defined it in those terms,

(01:50:14):
which is totally unacceptable, but it's one that society will support.
It's one that society will reinforce if possible, and society
insists probably that we keep that as our definition of freedom.
That is to say, the hope, the hope that one
day we will be treated created and you're treated in

(01:50:37):
this society as though our race, our identity does not matter,
But the reality is that it will. It will always matter.
And what we see now in the Donald Trumba, does
it matters more now or as much now it has
ever mattered? And that you know, whatever progress we make

(01:50:58):
towards towards eliminating it as a negative factor of our
whole life can be reversed, can and will be reversed.
But depending on what segment of the white population controls
us or is in a position of power over us.
Right now, we see the effects of Donald Trump negating many,

(01:51:20):
if not most, of the so called gains we've made
under the banner of successful assimilation or integration, as some
have said in the past. But we see those being negated,
we see those being set back. At the same time,
interesting enough, we see society on the decline. We see

(01:51:42):
the situation in which we are living in deteriorating across
the world. Climate change, you know, has clearly indicated that
approach that Europeans, white Europeans have taken in the world
in is destroy actually destroying the world, actually making You've

(01:52:03):
got a guy in the White House now who doesn't
even accept He says it's a hope. He says, that's
not happening. Well, you know, look at the flooding that's
going on. Look at the the change in the weather,
look at the data that that are supplied to us

(01:52:24):
from the scientific community, which clearly shows and prove that
it is going on, that we have to do something
about it, that if we don't do something about it,
it will destroy us. We will we will meet soon
meet this point in which we can't do anything about it.
That is that can be successful. Donald Trump or the

(01:52:45):
point of no return Donald Trump is is is urging
that on is making that more likely that human beings
will not be able to control that which threatens the
human species and the whole world more than anything else
that we've seen. That is climate change, so called global warming,

(01:53:05):
so called you know, which is actually a product of technologies,
the product of a definition of freedom, an inappropriate definition
of freedom that if followed, will ultimately destroy the world
and the planet that we live in. So the importance
of the word freedom, the importance of having a goal

(01:53:27):
that makes sense, having a goal that is consistent with
in a case of black people, are development and growth
as a people as opposed to your personal well being
is very very important. It's very important that you participate
in the process that frees us as a peace that
strengthens us as a people. If we can do that,

(01:53:50):
then we can move ahead. If we can't do that,
we're caught in this quagmire of believing that the dominant
society that sole us in the first place, they're robber
us of our culture, that is treating us as badly
as they've always treated us. If not, in some cases worse,
is going to save us. And you know, if we

(01:54:13):
can save ourselves, we can also save the planet. And actually,
in some strange ways, both of them are at stakes.
Our definition of freedom, our goal, our goal for self determination,
our goal for independence, our goal for strengthening our people,
is consistent with the goal of the world surviving in

(01:54:35):
this verse, because if we don't strengthen ourselves as the people,
if we who have a much more balanced approach to life,
because Africans always had a balance to our Africans never
tried to control nature. They always tried to live within nature.
They always were always felt they're a part of nature.
Europeans have always tried to control nature, and that controls

(01:54:57):
that insecurity that they've always expressed is manifesting itself in
some and at the level in which all of us,
all human beings are in fact in peril the world.

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
Yeah, well let me jump in here, bobyla number twenty
eight after the top of the we were since were
talking about freedom, isn't there a bunch of folks our
people who don't want freedom, that content with what they have?
How do you reach those folks who feel like, you know,
I'm happy? Why should I you know, why should I
get all anxiety and distress and talking about freedom. I'm

(01:55:33):
cool with what I have, you know, And there's nothing
I can do. I can't improve my position. This is
what the hand that God dealt me. So I'm just
deal with it. What do you say to those folks?

Speaker 10 (01:55:45):
Well, I mean, you know, sometimes you can't say anything
to them. Sometimes they have to learn. For example, what
does Donald Trump teach us about the society that we
live in. What can we learn from this obviously anti
black president that has taken taking the office? Now, what

(01:56:07):
can we learn from that?

Speaker 4 (01:56:08):
What can we gain.

Speaker 10 (01:56:09):
In terms of our attitude change? Because you're talking about
changing our attitude? What can we learn from that? And
you know, there are many of us, many people who
think that his obviously anti black attitude, what he has
brought forward is going to help teach us that we
cannot just simply live in and accept our role in

(01:56:34):
this society. We must in order to survive. Our very
survival depends on us fighting that. Now, some people actually
feel that that's going to happen, and that he Donald
something will make that happen. But under say a Barack
Obama administration, which is interesting because when you look at
what is the relationship between US voting Barack O, Barack

(01:56:58):
Obama becoming president of the United State eight and the
advent of Donald Trump, I think it would be very
naive if you didn't believe that there was a relationship.
I think the insecurity of white people began to be
very alarmed about people taking over what they considered to
be their country from from Obama on. Also, I'd like

(01:57:26):
to also say that, you know, when the Democrats put
up Kamala Harris and the black woman, they increased the
likelihood that Donald Trump would in fact be elected. They
didn't do they didn't consider that, and you know, most
black people were very happy that Kamala Harris was placed

(01:57:47):
in the position to become potentially become president of the
United States. But that act alone meant that Donald Trump
was likely to win, and.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
What we got, let's let's let's connect that. Dasha, Are
you saying that that the country is basically racist, that
because of white America, if you will add some black votes,
will not vote for a black woman.

Speaker 10 (01:58:14):
Well, I think that. You know, we want to use
the words like racism or white supremacy, have to be
kind of careful. What we're talking about is people. People
all over the world generally identify with their own kind.
That's just the way the world works. You know, the
Chinese identify with Chinese, to be the be identified with Vietnamese,

(01:58:38):
the you know, people, Look, if you have something in
common with me, identify with you now we can. At
some point it becomes racism when you abuse other people
who not like you, then that becomes a problem. But
the problem of us identifying with ourselves is a little
different for black people. Black people have can are almost

(01:58:59):
every other group when the world places black people at
the bottom, really, when it comes down to it, uh,
we're we are unique in that regard. And if we
accept that, then we become our own problems. We become
our worst problems, We become the problems that we Your

(01:59:20):
previous dollar talked about uh, you know, land and property
and the black black farmers, et cetera. Now you know
why why did this society move against black farmers? What?
What's the same reason they did they brought us from
from Africa, the same reason that they came and stole

(01:59:41):
us from our culture. They want to inculcate into us
the idea that we are inferior. And they've been successful
at doing that. When you give black youth that you know,
the famous doll tests that that their good Marshall used
for example in the at the Supreme Court. I mean

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today black children, if given a black doll and a
black doll, would more likely choose the white doll, just
like they did then back in nineteen in the fifties.
That our attitude about ourselves hasn't changed much. And we
have to start there about changing our attitude about ourselves.
We have to focus on that. We have to actually

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and hold I.

Speaker 1 (02:00:23):
Thought again, so how do we do that? You know,
it's twenty seven minutes away from the top. Let me
share this, I think, go ahead, So how do we
do that? Babl Lama?

Speaker 10 (02:00:33):
Well, you know, we're actually doing it to some degree.
We we we have a lot more Africanness in US
at this point. For example, Kwanza has been I say
this all that it has been an important step in US
synthesizing what it means to be an African, putting it
into a vehicle that we can use to to understand ourselves,

(02:00:59):
so we don't have to say necessarily, I got to
understand what it means to be a Liberian, or what
it means to be a Chante or a khan, or
what it means to be a Yuropo or what we
can say that and those are things are beneficial. But
what Kwansa has done is synthesize what it is. He's

(02:01:21):
come up with seven principles that seven days. It's given
us a vehicle that we can use to understand what
it means to be a black person. I give you
an example, Jack LEAs, collective work, collective work in development,
that is to say, collective economics. Let's see what do

(02:01:43):
we mean by collective Well, we mean that Africans tend
to be communal in nature, that Africans don't in fact
allow kings with absolute power to develop. Now you say, well,
you know Africa was full of kings, Well yeah, but
they were controlled by their cultures. The King's never had
the opportunity to go outside of their culture. If their

(02:02:04):
culture and their ancestors hadn't decided what to do, they
couldn't do it. They also had queen mothers who had
power over them to some extent. They had counsel of
elders which advised them, and their advice wasn't just advice.
What they were told to do certain things, and their

(02:02:25):
culture confined them to a certain sense, and those things
tended to be communal in nature. They tend to be
for the benefit of the whole community, not for their
benefit personally. Which you've had in modern times is confusion
around that issue. For example, as people know, I come
out of Oakland, so I'm very familiar with the development

(02:02:47):
of the Black Panther Party. We saw the original Black
Panther Party, which was set up by Ram and Robert Williams,
become the Huey Newton Bobby Seal Black Panther Party, and
we saw the the the slogan of the party initially

(02:03:09):
being black Power because that's what you know, The Black
Panther Party represented Black power. Then we saw after after
Bobby was put out of at a party and hooked
up with Hughey and they developed the Black Panther Party
for self defense. Their power, their their slogan became power.

Speaker 4 (02:03:29):
To the people.

Speaker 10 (02:03:30):
What's the difference between black power and power to the people?
Power to the people means everybody. Black power means strengthening
Black people. This is the division that has gone on
perpetually in black people. Are we here to change the world?
Are we here to save our seth oaks? Are we
here to be a stronger people? Are we here to

(02:03:50):
be self? Where? Where is our focus?

Speaker 4 (02:03:53):
Where?

Speaker 10 (02:03:53):
What are we putting our emphasis on? Where are we
actually trying to become, become and achieved through our movement?
Is it to save the world or is it to
save ourselves? I suspect that it should be a movement
to save ourselves? Now the reality is saving ourselves will
in fact save the save the world because we're the

(02:04:15):
ones who are most caraled, We're the ones who are
treated the worst. We're the ones who have gone glown
through right and hold that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:22):
Thought right there, babbla la bumba. We got to step
aside for a few moments, so we come back out.
You finish your thought, and we got some folks got
questions for you. Family, YouTube can join this conversation with
Baba Lamumba. He works out of a Moja house in Washington,
d C. It's all about grills elders and they have
a council of elders there and this is why they
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to us on the radio. You can reach them at
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(02:04:46):
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thanks for staying with us on this Tuesday morning here
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is one of our grills and he works out of
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(02:05:06):
eight seventy six. Before we go back to Baba la Momba.
Let me just hip you to some of the folks
are going to stop buying in this coming week. Morgan
State University professor doctor Ray Wimbush will be here also.
We're going to speak with sister hill A, Sister Philly
from the one Million Women's March who's going to join.
She's going to tell us about that celebration that anniversary.
Also economist the doctor Julianne Malva will join us. Also

(02:05:27):
Black Women for Positive Changes, doctor Stephanie Myers. Also doctor
cam Bourne's going to reach out to us from Ghana.
He's going to preview a film festival and also a
Black Power conference is going to take place in Ghana.
So all these folks are coming up with Lady this week.
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep
you ready to Indian real tight to ten ten WLB,
or if you're in the DMV family, we're of fourteen
fifty WL. All right, Baba Lahoma, I'll let you finish

(02:05:50):
your thought that we got some folks got questions for you.

Speaker 10 (02:05:52):
Well, you know, let's ring questions on and I probably
can make my point in trying to answer the questions
that people they have.

Speaker 1 (02:06:00):
Okay, Cool seventeen away from the top of the mail
has called from Baltimore. He's online too. Meldon, your question
for Baba la Mumba is Meldon the line too. Melbourn's
gone all right, let's go to brother Carlie then online three,
Brother collis your question for Baba la Mumba.

Speaker 20 (02:06:20):
Thank you, Thank you very much, carl And I love
Babla la Mumba. But I want, I want to really
really penetrate this idea that America is not as is
not as racist as hell to the very very core
of this sixth existence. And I want to just cite

(02:06:40):
a few examples. How is it that America can call
Martin Luther king Martin Luther kun? How can they call
uh Barack Obama curius George? How can they refer to
Michelle Obama as an ape in white in high heels,
and Steve Harry, who has millions of dollars as a

(02:07:03):
monkey in a suit, and so forth? And I think
we have to face the reality that Amla Harris, I agree,
should not have been the candidate because they were not
going to elect a black woman to as president. And
America is again not only racist, but misogynists to the

(02:07:28):
very very core. And I've always asked the questions, why
do they hate us so much? And I think we
have to come to that reality blah blah moment. That's
my particular opinion. What is your take, my dear brother, well,
you let.

Speaker 10 (02:07:41):
Me just say this. I think the problem with white
folks in general, and I think is not only in
American white folks, for Europeans, which is their origins where
they come from, is their insecurity. They have to control
everything to feel secure. They feel threatened when they don't control.
They are an insecure people, and that that develops and

(02:08:05):
manifests itself in the ways that you've talked about. We
are the ones that they are. Their insecurity is most
intensely directed at because we're the ones. First of all,
they're you know, we're almost the opposite we we're we
are the original human beings. They came from us, uh

(02:08:26):
you know, we're Africa's where humanity began.

Speaker 17 (02:08:31):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (02:08:32):
So you know they are an extreme they have developed.
Now how and why? That's that's that's another point. Why
are they so insecure? Why are they insecure to the
point of absurdity where they would say the things that
you you were just quoted and saying. But Donald Trump,
Now some of them, some white folks don't do that
obviously and don't say those things. But they've allowed the

(02:08:54):
ones who are more openly aggressed with Donald Trump's of
the world to have power now to you, and that
that shows that a significant a number of them feel
exactly the way you're expressing. But that is a madification
of their insecurity. Now, you know, you can use a
word like racism and and that's fine, that's that's how
it manifests itself as behavior that is reprehensible behavior and attitudes,

(02:09:20):
but it is fundamentally a problem with their insecurity, their
fear of others. You know, they're so rampant, it's so
powerful that it overwhelms them. Now, you know, you can
label it racism as want and that's fine, we can
use those terms. But I would make the contention that
their fundamental problem is a deep seated insecurity on this planet,

(02:09:43):
which leads them to try to control and exploit everybody.
And the people who they're most fearful of are us,
the people who started humanity, the people where humanity came from,
the Africans, the black African.

Speaker 1 (02:09:57):
Let me here, Bubbama, because you make an important point here.
I thank your brother College for the question. But you're
saying what you're talking about white fragility, But do they
do they do they know that they came from us?
Do they know all the everything that we accomplished. That's
the first question. And the part two of the question is, yeah,
part two of the question why us? If we numerically

(02:10:19):
Hispanics and more, they've got more Hispanics on in this
country than black folks, So why are they still coming
after us? I'll let you respond to those two questions.

Speaker 10 (02:10:26):
Well, the reality is that we're the biggest contradiction. Not
not only do many of their scholars certainly know that
they came from US. I was watching a TV show
on public television not too long ago, and they were
talking about the Africans confrontation with Neanderthals because Nandithals, you know,

(02:10:49):
there were human species prior to human beings that we
know they were. We're the Homo sapiens sapiens, but they're DALs.
Was one of the groups of human like creatures people
that roam there, and we're not associated or came from
Africa at a point in which they were disincearties. When

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you look at other peoples of the world, when you
look at the Asians and you look at the Europeans,
they all have about two or three percent Neanderthalt blood.
But Africans don't. The reason they don't is because Africans
didn't encounter Neanderthals until they left Africa, So yes, they know.
But we represent the biggest contradiction between it. We represent

(02:11:36):
the biggest threat to them. We represent their origins actually,
which they don't want to admit, that we are, in
fact the original Homo sapiens safians. We are the human
we are our genes are what makes up most of
the world, or what came from us makes up most

(02:11:57):
of the world. That is a point.

Speaker 3 (02:11:59):
I get that, and we know that, but do they
know that? Though? Do the average white person know that?

Speaker 10 (02:12:04):
The average white person doesn't know that, and would would
would shuttle, I mean, or would just cringe at the
thought that that we are their origins. But it's known
amongst white people. Clearly they're the ones who actually have
proven that that's the case. And when you look at
public television. I was telling you the show in which

(02:12:26):
they talked about the Africans UH confronting Neanderthals, the Africans
that they picked it were black people. They weren't white people.
There were black people confronting and and UH and and
fighting sometimes fighting. Some they they're not sure how it
happened who But in the fight between the Anderthals and Africans,

(02:12:50):
it was the Africans who won and ended up dominating them.
But that also included some some misagenation which later appeared
in the genes of Europeans. But yes, they know, but
that only heightens their fear and their apprehension and their

(02:13:10):
suspicion and their insecurity, if you will, because if they
have to acknowledge that we are their origins, that we
are the real essence of human beings, and that black
people who lived in Africa we chained that essence. We

(02:13:31):
are in fact the ones who produced everyone else. That
is a position that they find it hard to grasp
and won't grasp, because you know, they feel what they
have brought, their light skin and their straight hair and
whatever their thin nose is our positive attributes, and they've taught,

(02:13:52):
they have convinced us that our attributes are negative, That
our hair is not good hair because it's nappy, That
our nose should be thin, that our skin is white
skin is better than black skin. They've convinced us of that.
So we live with the liability of feeling, of the imposition,

(02:14:13):
if you will, of their values on us. And you know,
we could ask me, there's a question I would do.
We know, for example, that after segregation in this society,
we built communities. There are black communities in this country
that because of integration, we're undermined. Most Black people accept

(02:14:36):
the fact that we were doing pretty well when we
had black communities. And then when we started to integrate
and we got the opportunity to go shop in white stores,
we left our communities. We weren't shopped in their stores.
What happened to our stores? Our stores got weaker, our
communities got weaker, everything got weaker when we got the
opportunity to be with them, Well, why did we think

(02:14:58):
that was an advantage? Why do we think it was
important for us to be with them as a way
of moving ahead, Because we didn't. We don't value our
own peoplehood. Our own peoplehood requires us valuing the uniqueness
of us. We play down that uniqueness, We act like
it don't exist. And when when we raise that question

(02:15:19):
of our uniqueness, when we appreciate our which comes from Africa,
which comes from things like kwanza, which comes from things
that are important to understanding now value civilization, understanding our
importance in the world thing understanding that we are the
ones that are the original. All those things represent a uh,

(02:15:41):
you know, a threat to hint them, a threat to
them that they have to do. So their biggest threat
actually comes from us. It doesn't Hispanics. Most Hispanics want
to be white, let's face it, and most and some
of them are white, you know. They they believe that
the attributes of being white are positive if an attributes

(02:16:04):
of being black or negative. Almost every parl believes that.
And the problem is that we believe it too, and
we labor under the the illusion of our own inferiority,
whether we admit it or not. And we are fighting
our way out of it. We're fighting our way very slowly.

(02:16:27):
But our opposition is not only just white folks, but
other people in the world also see us as less
than they are. So, you know, all the only problem
I had was using terms like racism and white supremacy
is there doesn't get at the heart of the of
the problem. It doesn't get it doesn't help us elucidate

(02:16:49):
the elucidate the whole question of their sense of insecurity
being essentially the problem that has to be overcome from
their point of view, And and what that is imposed
on us. Our sense of inferiority has to be overcome,
and it has to be overcome through a construct that
is essentially African, African and origins and nature.

Speaker 1 (02:17:13):
Yeah, but our folks don't know that, and they and
they don't know that. So, you know, the intellectuals on
both sides know, but the average person, average black person
doesn't know that. The average white person doesn't know what
you're talking about. So how do we reach those folks?

Speaker 10 (02:17:27):
Well, first of all, knowing and feeling are two different things. See,
you could know it intellectually and still act as though
your inferior. In other words, most of us understand that.
And let's put it this way. In this society, being
a black person is a liability, so we and so

(02:17:51):
the more we identify with other black people from our
point of view, the more negative it has on our
effect on our lives, on our ability. To those farmers
that their brother who came before we talked about, you know,
if there were white farmers, they could have got the loan.
You know, now they were black farmers. So they even

(02:18:14):
when they did end up getting the loan, the loan
ended up being taken away from them because they were
black because their origins were so being a black person
has always been a actual liability in his society. So
because it's an actual liability, because it causes us problems,
we reinforces the notion that we want to shed ourselves

(02:18:36):
from that blackness, We want to share ourselves from that identity.
So our movement is based on shedding, to some extent,
shedding ourselves from our own identity, which impedes us learning
how great we are learning about how important it is,
because how critical it is for us to learn. So
it doesn't stop us from moving in that direction. It

(02:18:58):
didn't stop Kwan's, it doesn't stop the people and the
scholars who are teaching us about Nile Valley civilization. It
doesn't stop us, but it impedes us in a very
significant way because our everyday life and our advancement oftentimes
depends on us creating a distance between ourselves and the

(02:19:22):
rest of our people. That's why you get Clarence Thomases
and all the versions of people of the Trump supporters,
the black Thrump supporters, because they're trying to tell white people, no,
I want to be with you, I want to be
on your side. I'm on your team. I'm not on
my team. I don't have a team, you know, is
what we're saying. I'm on your team. What you want

(02:19:43):
me to do, I'm willing to do as long as
you pay me, as long as you advance me, as
long as I get what I want personally. So there
is this built in impediment to our unity, our solidarity,
our connection with each other that is ongoing. We don't
escape this, It's ongoing for most of us. Being a

(02:20:05):
black person is a liability in terms of us, what
we think, what we need and hold.

Speaker 3 (02:20:13):
I thought right there, babbl Lahoma.

Speaker 1 (02:20:14):
We got to step aside for a few moments so
our stations can identify themselves. Down the line, I'll let you.
I'll let you expound on that, because you're saying being
a black person is a liability? What do you mean
by that? And we got some more folks, got questions
for your family. You want to join this conversation with
our grill. Baba Lamumba. He works out of a Moja
house in the district. Reach out to us at eight
hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

(02:20:35):
or three away from the top of the I will
take your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising Family Facture
rolling with us on this Tuesday morning with our guests,
the Babbla La Mumba out of a moja house in Washington,
d C. Baba La Mumba's part of a council of elders.
They have these discussions about our future and what we
should be doing, and we come back and they hash
it out on the radio and then you know later on,
as some of you already know, we have a bunch

(02:20:56):
of barber shops that listen to us and they have
these conversations. They have it in the mornings when we're
doing afternoons that do it. They'd be listening live and
having the conversations at the same time. And now they
tell me they listen in the mornings and then when
they get to the barber shop that they continue with
the conversations. I know this one's going to be interesting
for them. How do you find freedom? What is freedom?
What does freedom mean to you as an individual? What

(02:21:18):
does freedom mean to us as a people? So Baboloma,
I'll let you finish your thought and we got some
folks got questions for you.

Speaker 10 (02:21:25):
Yeah, the conflict between what I need personally or what
my family needs or what I think I need versus
what your people need collectively is one that is ongoing
and there's no way to resolve at at this point.

Speaker 19 (02:21:43):
But you know the.

Speaker 10 (02:21:45):
Reality is that this country is based on you, as
a people supporting white people. It was set up a
centeny for white people. That's who came here, That's who
chased the Indians and killed them and took them away
from took their land away from them, and got us
to help them do that because that's what we did.

(02:22:07):
Buffalo's soldiers essentially protected white settlers from the Native Americans.
So we've always played the role of serving them, and
that's what we were brought here, brought here to serve them. Well,
they think that we should continue to play that role

(02:22:27):
and that that's our place in this society. Many of
us except have accepted that notion that our place is
to support this society, to go along with it, to
be a part of this, assimilate into this society as
much as possible. Now, you know, that's how we live
our lives, and we changed. That changes gradually, and you

(02:22:53):
know it will continue to change, I would assume, But
you know what what this Donald Trump has brought into
play is the notion that it's not necessarily going to
be Our quest to be properly assimilated as equals in
the society is not necessarily ever going to happen. In

(02:23:14):
other words, our status will always be that of serving them,
and anything else from their point of view is illegitimate. That,
you know, where we can't be allowed to pursue our
own interests. We can't be allowed to connect ourselves with
our own people. We can't be allowed to move in
the direction which creates independence and solidarity amongst ourselves. We

(02:23:37):
have to always support them in some form or fashion.
That's what we're left with. Our definition of freedom can
and not getting back to the original topic, Our definition
of freedom can't be to continue to serve them. Just
do better at get make more money at serving them,
you know, be more cooperative, more more helpful to them

(02:24:01):
than we are now. That can't be our definition of freedom.
Our definition of freedom has to be strengthening ourselves, becoming independent,
self determination. We have to replace the society. They're not
join it as our future. We have to move in
the direction which allows us to think about our own independence,

(02:24:23):
our own solidarity, our own connection with each other, our
own strength as a people, and that has to be
worldwide because black people all over the world suffer from
that same thing. Africans suffer from it, everybody suffers from it.
We have to move in a direction and define freedom
as the strengthening of our people collectively internationally and not

(02:24:49):
just nationally. So you know that's demanded. That's the challenge
for us. How do we live in both realities? But
the real of our own independence and our strength being
that reality that we ultimately understand, will solve our problem.
What the reality of assimilation or integration won't solve Off

(02:25:10):
on one, will that'll never happen completely, and two, white
people will never be secure enough to allow that to happen. Uh.
So they will, they will. They will do anything they
can to stop you from having power over them.

Speaker 4 (02:25:26):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (02:25:26):
They they think you came in this world to serve them,
to serve their needs, and there they will make sure
that you continue to operate only in that in that framework.

Speaker 3 (02:25:39):
Yeah, there's some real talk. Hold that thought right there.

Speaker 1 (02:25:41):
At six after the top down, Carl in West Palm Beach,
Florida has a question for you. Is online four Grand
Rise and Carl, you on with Baba.

Speaker 21 (02:25:48):
La Mumba, Grand Carl and Grand Resin Sam. I wanted
to kind of interject the idea of education, uh, the
word in the system that's set up that all of
us follow in produced our PhDs, they produced our penps,
our hustlers, they produced our drug builders and everything else.
And we still we've got signals that we've been miseducated,

(02:26:10):
but we haven't took the time to really incorporate the
idea of a proper education into ourselves. And I wanted
to know was what was your thinking as relates to
the thinking of the human being, because education is what
give is the server that gives it the opportunity to
learn the word in doco. So I wanted to see
how how do you insert the process of education into

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the psychology of a freedom.

Speaker 10 (02:26:38):
Well, you know, like most of our quest it isn't
either or when we shut up black studies programs, when
we challenge For example, in sixty eight one, students took
over the Howard University Administration building. They wanted it to
be a black university. They wanted to teach certain things
that were favorable to black people, not favle to them. Well,

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we've we've been able to achieve some measure. We don't
just go from one to the other. We still need
to have jobs. So that means that they're going to
have some control over what we learn.

Speaker 6 (02:27:12):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (02:27:13):
In order so that we can live in a society,
we want certain level of education that is important. For example,
if you're going to be a doctor, you're going to
have to learn how to be a doctor. You're gonna
have If you're going to operate or somebody, you've got
to learn operation so that you're not going to uh.
You know, when you cut somebody open, you better know

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what you're doing. So that's that's definitive kind of absolute education.
That's concrete educate, that is providing skills. But then there's
the aspect of education, which is attitude, which is perspective,
which are values. That's the part of education that has
to has to change. That's the part of education that

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we tried to change. That but independent black schools have
attempted to address. Now we haven't done it as successful
as we should because it takes money to have a school.
You got to pay teachers, and a lot of black
people don't have the money to pay teachers or the
teachers are independent, you know, but there have been several attempts.
So our way forward when it comes to education, like

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anything else, is incremental. It's ups and downs. We went
through a period during the sixties and seventies where there
were more independent schools being created along the idea that
our schools have to educate us around the idea of
our interests, our development, our growth as a people as
being a primary purpose of that education. But you know

(02:28:40):
that is beginning to wane because of our lack of
abilities to sustain those schools and those schools and abilities
to come together to decide on the best approaches. But
you know it really isn't either or we have moving
from one system to a system that complements us, to

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an educational system that complements our needs. Is it will
not happen overnight. It will happen in bits and pieces,
and right now is not as strong as it was,
for example, in the sixties and seventies. But you know,
I agree education is a major factor in our needs

(02:29:27):
to develop our people so that we can learn to
operate in our interest as our primary concern, not in
our personal well being being our primary concern, but our
collective interests being our primary concern. Education is a critical element.
But like everything else, it's going to happen very slowly.

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It's not going to be one day. We're not going
to wake up and do that because all of our
most of our students are going to be in public education. Well,
how do you change public education when they control the
school boards, when they control the government and stuff. You know,
Donald Trump is teaching us that he can reverse all this.

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You take twenty to thirty years to make some gains.
He comes into office and reverse reverses them in a
month that took you twenty twenty five years to gain. Well,
that's true of education. He's going to stop black studies programs.
He's going to stop all the efforts that we made
to integrate our education in terms of skills development with

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our proper education. In terms of our own attitudes, our
own development, our own history as a people, our appreciation
of ourselves as a people, he wants to stop all
of that. Well, he's been able to put a serious
dent in those efforts in a matter of months. The
efforts that took us thirty and forty years to develop,

(02:30:56):
he cancels in a matter of so we're faced with that.
Really we have to for the reality that we're still
in a position where we depend on them and we
to give us some of the things that we need,
especially in education, but they're in a position of power
which allows them to negate those to take those away

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from us very quickly.

Speaker 12 (02:31:21):
All right.

Speaker 1 (02:31:23):
There, thank you, Carl. I've got some more folks. You
want to talk to you, Baba, Let's go to Buffalo.
Bob's there, he's online too, Boby. A question for Baba
la Mumba, Yes.

Speaker 17 (02:31:33):
Sir, question in common Blessed Love Family. I tuned in
a little late, but I think when he talks about freedom,
that's a classic question that we've been asking every since BC,
since before captivity, or so once the captivity began. One
of the ways that it was classically tried to be
addressed was a tune by The Dells, a tune called

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freedom Means. It was the title of one of their albums,
and they said that freedom means is being able to
say what's on your mind, to speak right out and
talk about things you know that should be better. Freedom
means into captivity. That's a classic also that once you're
held captive, you know what freedom means, it means an

(02:32:15):
into captivity. And when you talk about education, education is
not something that just happens in schools or tuned by
dead prayers. They schools too. They schools don't teach us crap.
You know, education is a lifelong process, and you can't
expect your enemy to educate you. To our freedom, you

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have to educate yourself. One of the things that Malcolm
says we have to learn to think with our own
minds and not let others think for us. So the
idea that we still believe that they schools are going
to educate us to be free people, a free problem
productive people. Education is something that happens every morning, Monday
through Friday in this classroom, and that's why people attend

(02:33:01):
this classroom because it educates us and it's not their education,
it's our education. But I think people need to stop
and look back at some of the classic ways people
have tried to answer that question what does freedom mean?
And one of the classic things I'll repeat is tune
into the dells. Freedom means. Freedom means being able to

(02:33:22):
say what's on your mind, speak right out, and talk
about things that you know should be better. So those
are some comments I wanted to make. And you know,
like the basic tenant know thyself self knowledge. You can't
expect somebody else to teach you about you unless it's
part of your family and people who love you and

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want you to know and be the best that you
can for yourself. So I apologize it for tuning into
the class late, come in class late, but thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:33:59):
Yeah, give a sharing that with us. So Bob Alumba.
Any response to what Bob.

Speaker 10 (02:34:03):
Just said, Well, you know, it's it's kind of the
same response that I had for the other caller. These
things aren't aren't happen automatically, Yes, But in other words,
freedom means a lot of different things, and they mean
different things that different people. When we were where we're
slaves working in the field, freedom meant just you know,

(02:34:24):
not having to work through them getting paid. You know,
freedom means different things to different people. But ultimately the
goal that question I ask, what is our gold as
the people not so much out? Do we get there?
Yes we can be. Freedom is an individual but we're
freedom is a collective thing. We are we are subjugated, bound,
captured by a people. People. A raise of people came

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and got us and forced us to serve them. So,
you know, getting out of that posture. Changing that posture
means living a life collectively that doesn't serves their purposes,
is what we're trying to achieve. Now that happens.

Speaker 17 (02:35:08):
There's also like to say, if Kim Bob, because I
know I don't want to get cut off the uh.
There's a classic book by Hakim Manabuti from Plan to Planet.
He has an essay on their white racism, a defense
mechanism for ultimateieval You talked about racism and who the
so called white man is.

Speaker 21 (02:35:28):
You know.

Speaker 17 (02:35:29):
When he finally learned how to get off that cold,
icy rock called Europe and began to go around the world,
he realized that he everywhere he went, he saw people
who had something he didn't have, color, melanation of various
forms and shapes. So he went through a thing where
he developed a defense mechanism to elevate his lack of

(02:35:50):
melanin as a as an asset, and he created a
defense mechanism so that he made himself special or in
the minds of everybody he ran across. A white racism,
a defense mechanism will also being all right.

Speaker 1 (02:36:05):
I tell you well, we come up on a break Bob,
and I thank you for that comment. Out of that,
Babbela Mumba respond. When we get back family, you two
can join our discussion with our guests. Babbla la Mumba
is a grill. It's one of our elders who works
out of a moja house in Washington, DC and always
has these thought provoking tomics for us to discuss. You
want to reach us, hit us up at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six and

(02:36:25):
well take your phone calls next family, Thanks for rolling
for us on this Wednesday morning, Tuesday Morning part ME.
Twenty one minutes after the top, they out with our
guess the Baba la Mumba from a moja house in Washington,
d C. Just had a comment from Bob up in Buffalo.
So Bob, Babba lah Mama, I'll let you respond to
Bob's comment.

Speaker 10 (02:36:43):
Well, let me just say this that you know, the
best tool that we've ever developed or addressing the in
these issues incrementally because we have to address them incrementally.
We can't. There's not going to be any magic change.
It's going to be a slow, gradual process. And the
best tool to achieve that and to use that has

(02:37:05):
been Quanza. If you're not making use in Quansa, you're
not really using the tool available. You're just talking, You're
just you know, Quanta gives us a framework for actually
addressing We can bring Kuans into churches, we can bring
them into we can bring the seven Principles into schools,
we can bring them. If you're an artists, you can

(02:37:27):
use those to to project your imagery in your art.
If you're if you're involved with drug treatment or or
rehabilitation in some way, you can use those and when
Quanza comes, you can actually participate in otherm develop your
own community. The best tool we have for addressing the

(02:37:49):
problems that we face to this date, to this point
has been the development of Quanza. And if we're not
making use of that now, you know, then we're we're
we're just blunt smoke. Even we're pretending to address a
problem that we're not, we're not participating in using that
which is available us to use. We have a tool

(02:38:12):
that we can slowly use to develop uh and address
the problem that start with our appreciation and understanding of
ourselves as a people that connects us to Africa, not
in the specifically in particular African tribes or African countries,
but in Africa in terms of a synthesis of what

(02:38:33):
what it means to be an African and how do
we use that, how do we use what do we
mean by cooperative economics? What do we mean in using
an African language? Language is another important tool. Uh uh.
Swahili suggests that I mean, Quanta suggests that we use
Swahili as as our lingual franca. We if we took

(02:38:55):
a quantsa to Africa, it would help Africans. Africans could
use quantity unite themselves around their own around their own culture.

Speaker 2 (02:39:04):
Uh uh.

Speaker 10 (02:39:05):
You know, it was an important tool. And if you're
not making use of that tool, then you're really just
blowing smoke. Really, you're you're really not taking what we
have to use that we that really benefits us, that
really addresses all these fundamental questions, and that can be
plugged into our educational institutions, our churches.

Speaker 2 (02:39:25):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (02:39:25):
Everything we do are your your bridge club, you're all
of them could make use of the ghuza saba. You
can talk about whatever you're doing to elevate black people,
bring in the in Ghuza Saba, the kan principles of Kwansa,
and it will and adopt them to what you're doing,
and it will elevate you. It will put you in
contact with what it means to be an African, what

(02:39:47):
it means to solve your problems, and what that bridge
is between your problems that you're solving and and your
people's future as a as a collective future of unity
amongst ourselves. You that is critical.

Speaker 9 (02:40:02):
And if to.

Speaker 10 (02:40:03):
Overlook that or pretend it doesn't exist us folly. It's ridiculous.
It doesn't. It doesn't, it doesn't work. We have some tools,
so let's make use of those tools.

Speaker 4 (02:40:16):
All right.

Speaker 1 (02:40:16):
Twenty five at the top of Marcus is checking in
from MEMPHISI is online three grand rise in Marcus. You're
on with Babelo Mumba.

Speaker 22 (02:40:24):
Yes, Carl and grand rising to the l Babelo mmbir.
So you know, years ago I had the opportunity to
sit at the feat of a jagna by the name
of Robert is me Isman, DC's Harris. He authored the

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book Carlos Cooks and Black Nationalism From Govi to Malanco.
You also alternat a little pamphlet carl The Usa, my
larger prison. And you know, he said, the curriculum. They
were trying to institute the curriculum of inclusion at that time.

(02:41:07):
I think it was one mister superintendent Rupert Green, I
don't know if Green was his last name, and he
was trying to implement it in New York City. And
one morning we woke up everybody a recompend said he
dropped dead, just just the man was healthy. And when
they said, oh, we're going to put this, try to

(02:41:29):
put this in curriculum of inclusion, he just misteriously dropped dead.
And the el I said, look, the curriculum of inclusion
is like it's like you have a glass of cyanide
and then you pour half out and then you fill
it the rest, you fill it back with vitamins and
juicies and whatever. At it's still cyanide. It's still poison.

Speaker 23 (02:41:54):
Then I asked the question, so why don't we have
all these churches here, just like all the Jewish community.
You know, they go to these seam public schools. They
go to these public schools, though, but on the weekends
they go to the synagogue. That is one tool we'll
tell be used to these churches. So we go there
and help to reorientate the minds of our young people.

Speaker 4 (02:42:16):
You know.

Speaker 23 (02:42:16):
But really I want to ask this question to the
elder said something that was important. Should we try to
continue to get along in this country for another fifty years?

Speaker 4 (02:42:32):
I should?

Speaker 23 (02:42:33):
We said, you know what, let us spend our energy
and try to develop that continent there and giant hands
our heart with our people and the continent because we
know that our strong that Africa will make its stronger
for black people. We make black people stronger globbody try,
you know, because it's like this country is like we're

(02:42:55):
running on a trademill every so halfull year run and
then they take back the rights. Your run and they
take back the rights. I think we spend too much
time trying to get along with people who have demonstrated
they don't want to get along with us. Our issue
is trying to get along with each other. So, Ella,

(02:43:17):
could you answer this for me? Should we spend another
fifty years here in America trying to get along with
these people who have demonstrated time and time and again
say hey, we don't want to get along with you
unless you're you at the bottom economically and socially, politically
are perfect, and spend our energy to work with our

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people and the continent of Africa and develop a stronger Africa.
And I'll hang up and listen to your response.

Speaker 6 (02:43:48):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (02:43:50):
Hi, thank you Marcus BABLAMMBA.

Speaker 4 (02:43:54):
Well, let me just say.

Speaker 10 (02:43:56):
Again, it's not either or. I would agree with the brother.
The emphasis should be on ourselves. Uh, but that doesn't
mean we have to abandon And you know, for example,
when you look at this downrump situation, why people are
going to have to deal with him. We can't deal

(02:44:16):
with him, so we we we he has to be
dealt with. So you know, we we can't ignore him
because he's taking away much of what we've gained. Uh,
he's just taking that away from us. So and since
we can't deal with him, we have to depend on
them to deal with him, which means we have to
in fact about it. If you have you know, the

(02:44:37):
note King's Market participate. But I would agree with your emphasis.
The emphasis just like Garby and and uh, Malcolm and
have told us, has to be on Africa. But we
we can't go to Africa with the mentality that we
have going to Africa. Well, well, sometimes sticks confound our problem.

(02:45:00):
We have to create a framework. That's why Kwansa is important.
We need to take Quansa to Africa because Africans have
to get along with each other. What is the basis
for them uniting with each other? What is the basis
of them? Because it can be, it can come from us.
The whole Pan African movement comes from the X slave.
It doesn't come from Africa. It has but the X

(02:45:22):
slave has to go back with something to give something
around something something. He can't just go back with what
he learned in the white man's world, the attitude that
he developed in the white man's world, because that's going
to be distructive. So much of that is negative. So

(02:45:43):
we can't take the negative back to Africa. We can
only take the positive. How do we become positive whatever,
How do we help Africa unite some of our people?
Going back to Africa will be will essentially serve the
interest of white people, won't serve our interests per se.
We have to learn to serve our interests. We have

(02:46:05):
to learn what it means to be That that means
learning about Africa. That means learning what it means to
be a live a communal life that we have to
learn what it means to be an African. We have
to learn we're carrying our traditions back to those people
who have also lost much of our traditions, uh in

(02:46:26):
a way that allows them to develop in a unified
fortune because they have to develop. But in addition to
developing their own countries and their own tribes, their own entities,
they have to also develop their relationships.

Speaker 6 (02:46:37):
With each other.

Speaker 10 (02:46:38):
When we go back there, we have to be those
people which which which helped them develop their relationships with
each other. That means we have to take kwanza back
to them. We have to take what we learn back
to them. We have to take in a not in
a fashion that allows them to make use of that
to address their their issue. One of the problems about

(02:47:02):
why Africa was subjugated so much is because it had
so many divisions. It was easy for white people to
subjugate Africa because of the amount of divisions that existed
in Africa. Time, those divisions have to be overcome, They
have to be moved to Pan Africanism. How do you
create a unity amongst black people. It's not just a

(02:47:24):
matter of going back, it's going back with an attitude
that helps create the unity that African needs.

Speaker 4 (02:47:29):
To be strong.

Speaker 10 (02:47:31):
African needs a unity that to be strong that the
ex slave has an advantage in understanding. And Kwanza is
one of those understandings. It is a synthesis of being
what it needs to be Africa.

Speaker 1 (02:47:45):
And yeah, let me tell me here though, Bobby Lamumba,
because you're hitting on some points here. Now we're twenty
eight away from the top of that. But Africans have
to learn how to live together. They've been they've been
contaminated by this European mindset themselves and they're fighting each
other and fighting over when you go to Africa that
they want everything that's European. You know, want European clothes,

(02:48:05):
they don't want they don't want where they're own closed,
they want European languages. How do they get over that?
And and can we assimilate with them before they get
over that?

Speaker 10 (02:48:15):
Well, I think we have. We They get over at
that through us. We're the ones that understand the importance
of that unity. We're the ones that created pan Africanism.
They didn't create themselves. It is the former.

Speaker 4 (02:48:31):
Slaves.

Speaker 10 (02:48:32):
It is the that actually produced the new movement that
exists that that understands that the unity of black people
is critical to black success and a black a struggle,
a liberation struggle. So the we have the critical element.
The critical element is their unity. There's the need for

(02:48:54):
that unity, and how to bring that unity about comes
pretty much from us. And that's why I talk about Quanta.
Quansa is not used to talk about quants just an
American Black holiday. No, Quansa is a framework for Pan Africanism,
you know, and Quansa is not exclusive. We're not saying

(02:49:15):
you need to replace your particular culture with Kwanza. We're saying, no,
you need to just use Quansa as a way to
connect your culture with all the other cultures while you
still practice your culture, which is what we use here
as a framework. That framework, that framework of unity, that

(02:49:37):
framework of connecting yourselves without destroying what it is you're
connecting without with only allowing them to relate harmoniously with
another people.

Speaker 23 (02:49:48):
We have to have that.

Speaker 10 (02:49:49):
We have to have a harmonious connection between each other
in order to be strong. And that harmonious connection can't
come from people who understand the importance of the harmonious connection,
which is what the X slave, which is us over here.
Whether you're from the Caribbean or whether you're from North
America or where you're from, you understand the importance that

(02:50:12):
black people have to have unity and we and the
vehicles for that unity are pretty much come from us.
They don't come from the people who are immersed in
those in the differences. People who are immersed in those
differences will will fight each other about those differences. When
we come along, we we give them the opportunities to

(02:50:33):
cooperate with each other, the opportunity to connect with each other,
the authorities to complement each other while retaining those separate identities.
We have to learn how to cooperate with each other, uh,
while retaining our our identity are separate identities. So you

(02:50:53):
know that's the meaning of us. That's how that's the formula,
if you will, for our success, the formula for our successes. Yes,
us going back to the continent of Africa with something
in hand, something useful, something beneficial, something that allows Africans
to connect themselves with each other and with us that
we're able to produce and understand and perpetuate because of

(02:51:17):
our experiences and because we also understand that we understand
the people who subjugated us because we were the ones
who were directly oppressed, directly affected by that that we
did not have a language. We don't have Most Africans
can speak their own language and their colonial language most

(02:51:41):
of them, some of them can speak three or four
different languages. We're left with speaking only you know, English
or Were or depending on them.

Speaker 1 (02:51:49):
Right right, and hold that thought right there, babelam, I
gotta step aside for our last break and I'll let
you finish your thought on the other side. And family
is twenty four minutes away from the topia. I guess
there's grill Baba la Mumba works Emoja House, one of
our elders in Washington, d C. If you want to
join this conversation, reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take your phone calls next And Grand Rising family, thanks

(02:52:12):
for sticking with us on this Tuesday morning. I guess
there is a Babba Lamomba out of Emoja House in Washington,
d C. Baba Baba Lamumba is one of our grills.
You know, the Council of Elders. They have these discussions
these thought provoking discussions and they bring them back to
have them out on the radio and find out what
we think about them. And today we're discussing freedom. What
is freedom? Both freedom?

Speaker 9 (02:52:32):
To you?

Speaker 3 (02:52:32):
Freedom?

Speaker 1 (02:52:33):
Why is it so important? You want to join the conversation?
Reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six. Baba Looma, i'mna. Let you
finish your thought then see and Atlanta has a question
or a comment for you.

Speaker 10 (02:52:44):
Oh yeah, let's let's go with the question of comment.

Speaker 1 (02:52:47):
All right, let's go to see online too, see Grand Rising.
I'm with Baba la Mumba.

Speaker 19 (02:52:52):
Let's grand rising, gentlemen. Baba Lamooma. I wanted to first
of all commend you on recommending kwans of being used
in a diverse amount of ways within our community, because
it is so significant and so powerful that if we
just practice it within our families, if we just practice

(02:53:14):
it within our communities, churches, businesses, etc. It will elevate
our ability as a people to synchronize on values that
ultimately lead to our successes of people. So I wanted
to compliment you on that as vitally important. The other
thing is I wanted to ask you if you were

(02:53:36):
familiar with the butterfly effect, And basically that is that
if a butterfly flaps its wings on the opposite side
of the globe, it has an impact throughout the globe
that it self in the energy and the elements of
the planet through the wind. And it has been proven

(02:53:57):
that that is the case. Now, how that relates to
what I'm recognizing is that when I went to Africa
in nineteen ninety nine, I was met by a brother
there who helped me honor my ancestors for returning to
the motherland through the spirit of sank Copa, and he
used kwanza as a practice and process to honor the

(02:54:23):
ancestors and to honor my ancestors. So I actually was
advised through the spirit of San Copha to take soil
from the graves of my ancestors in America back to
the Motherland. When I got there, I met a brother
who carried my family name. Because he carried my family name,

(02:54:44):
we immediately connected and he used kwanza because he was
at that location in the Gambia the caretaker of the
ancestral burial ground there, and he used kwanza and the
principal the Nguzu Sava to honor the ancestors that I

(02:55:05):
was representing, bringing back soil from their grades to the motherland.

Speaker 3 (02:55:12):
That's a great story. If that was the Gambia you said, see, yes,
it was Gambia. All right, Baba, thanks you.

Speaker 19 (02:55:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:55:22):
I think it's quite quite a wonderful testimony. Brother, it
is exactly what I'm saying. I appreciate you understanding, and
you've lived through You've seen it happen. You've seen our
people on the continent making use of the tools that
we provided for them, and you know so wonderful. Thank
you for that that call. Thank you for that testimony

(02:55:44):
because it makes you very clear exactly what I'm saying.
Use the tools we got kwans is one of the
most powerful tools that we have at this point in time.
So thank you very much. I appreciate your comments.

Speaker 1 (02:55:59):
Okay, all right, and I got a tweet question for
a thank you. See, and let me see if I
can pull up pull up this tree. It's kind of
line to following it. Tudor says up asked the question,
Baba la Mumba, what is it going to take for
black people to come together? Tweet to say, should be
you know, brander to help John Boyd. He's the black farmers.
We should be giving him cash on to the mattress.

(02:56:19):
We should be coming together to survive this administration. We
should be moving our children to culture schools. We should
spend our black dollars among each other. I don't care
about these other people. So there's a lot of comments there, Babayloma.
You can respond to anything in that particular comment.

Speaker 10 (02:56:38):
Well, you know, I think you've expressed a lesson, well learned.
You know, how do we do it? Well, the only
thing I'm concretely telling you was one make you some quanta,
just like the brother called before said, very very important
tool that we have.

Speaker 9 (02:56:57):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (02:56:57):
And you know, uh.

Speaker 10 (02:57:01):
This just move ahead. You know, this program isn't about
all the concrete ways we can do it. It's just
about the need to do it. So, you know, we
have to have a goal which ultimately focuses ourselves on
our strength as a people, our identity as a people,
and that our collective identity as an African people. It

(02:57:23):
has to be reinforced, has to be promoted, has to
be forefronts. You know, we're not free simply living in
a socialist society. It's very interesting when you look at
our history, for example, the country of Cuba, which has
helped black people quite a bit. It is one of
the things I wanted to say before I got off

(02:57:45):
the air was that when you look at Cuba, it's
very interesting. It's also provided some confusion. Many of our
people think that simply living in a socialist society that's freedom. Well,
you know, not really for black people. Cuba is about
six four percent black, and it's about this leadership is
about twelve percent black. But you know, the Marxist definition

(02:58:11):
of free, the so called dictatorship of the proletariat. That
has created confusion in terms of our goal. You know,
for some for some of our people, our goal is
to just live in a socialist society and our problems
are solved. Well, that's that's not the problems of exact
Black people are not going to be solved by living

(02:58:31):
in an integrated community, living in a communist community, living
in a socialist community. Those don't represent the end product
of the goal that we represent. Our goal is to
be a self determining people, is to use our culture,
use our identity, uh to unite that identity into to

(02:58:53):
a degree that that allows for that strength, the elevation
of a total people. Now that's freedom. Freedom is our elevation,
and as a people are our collective identity as a people.
The stronger that is, the freer we can become, the
stronger than we can become. And when we our strength

(02:59:17):
as a people will not only save us, but it
has the potential for saving the entire world. Sending the
world in a direction that is sustainable, not the one
that we currently live in, which is not sustainable, not
the one that Donald Trump represents, which is not sustainable
at all, which is reinforces the notion that white people

(02:59:37):
should be on top and black people should be on
the bottom. It reinforces the notion that that client that
you know nature, we have to oppose nature as opposed
to living with nature. It reinforces the notion that this country,
or that human beings are on their way out, that

(02:59:59):
they you know, technical has produced an environment that condemns
us how many how how much plastic is in our
body before we realize that, wait, maybe maybe plastic is
something we we need to address or we can't address. No,
obviously we can't address it. But many of the problems
that we've created. Uh, and Donald Trump is here to

(03:00:21):
make sure that the problems that we could solve, like
climate change, we won't even address. We'll pretend like that
they don't even exist. This is a direction that white
people have sent us in. That the direction that you're
being as euro beings have sent us in. It's self destructive.
It's going to come.

Speaker 3 (03:00:39):
I get that.

Speaker 1 (03:00:40):
Let me tell me here though, and ask you this question.
This is before we get out of here. I got
to ask this question, what role does identity play in
all of this? Because it seems like if you know
who you are, you won't have a problem. But some
of us we still don't know who we are, where
we came from, and because of that, we don't know
where we're going and any other road that they tell
us that's the road we take your thoughts.

Speaker 10 (03:01:01):
Well, we have we have to start with the desire
to know those things many of us. The reason we
don't know it because we don't desire to know it.
The reason we don't address those issues because we don't
want to face them. You know, we want our new car,
we want our new house, we want we want to
do well. In spite of the fact that the world
around us is collapsing the site of the fact that

(03:01:22):
our people are catching hall. We we want to be
the exception, So we go for the opie deals. We
go for appeasing why we were joining them subjects we're
going through accepting our subjugation as the framework for our future. Well,
we can't accept our subjugation as a framework for our future.
We have to we have to build our strength as

(03:01:44):
a praate as a framework for the future. We have
to in order for us to save ourselves, but also
for us they actually contribute to the world. We have
to focus on ourselves as a people and.

Speaker 4 (03:01:56):
We have to learn.

Speaker 1 (03:01:57):
Now, let me here again, Baba Lama. But the folks
are gone out on the plantation, the corporate plantation this
morning for survival. Do they have to learn how to
code switch? They have to know how to be black
when they're at home with the homers. And once you've
got on the plantation or we move into the corporate world,
you've got to have a different identity.

Speaker 3 (03:02:18):
Is that how we should roll?

Speaker 10 (03:02:20):
Well, I think the ambiguity and the contradictions are there.
We can't avoid them. We're going to have to live
in this society so we do what's necessary to live there,
but we wean ourselves off of the society. That's why
I talk about quanta so much. It's a way to
begin to wean ourselves off of this society and move

(03:02:41):
towards where we're headed.

Speaker 17 (03:02:43):
You know.

Speaker 10 (03:02:43):
And for different people, it'll be different levels, it'll be
different things that we do. Some of us, for example,
could try to introduce includes us off into your church.
That will help quite a bit. Try to introduce it
into your schools. That will help practice quants at home,
whether you you know, go to the corporate office or not.

(03:03:04):
When it comes time for kuans that participate in it,
have have have those meetings, can gauge in it, start
the process. It's a slow, long one, but it's necessary
for you to pick what you can do and start
doing it. That moveses in the direction of strengthening black people,
not strengthening your enemy. And even though that's that's how

(03:03:26):
you might have to make your living, you might have
to make your living in a world because that's how
you pay your bills, et cetera.

Speaker 23 (03:03:34):
But you can begin to move in the.

Speaker 10 (03:03:36):
Other direction, the direction for self determination and strengthen black people,
and you can take quans and make and allow yourself
to do that. Start the process. And you know, if
you're you know your hair, for example, you know, at
one point, I remember when when when I was at
Howard almost every one, almost every woman up there had

(03:03:58):
straightened hair. When you go up the Howard's campus. Now
most of the women up there have some form natural hair,
you know, And that's an amazing change in that amount
of time. We're beginning to look positively on ourselves, beginning
to look in a direction that elevates ourselves as a people.
And you and each person has to do that. Each

(03:04:22):
person has to change and make use quantity for the
process of doing that. Connect with other black people, you know, build,
start building wherever you are. Don't worry about where you are.
Don't beat yourself up for having succumbed to the white
man's world, because that's that's how we live. But move

(03:04:43):
start moving in the world. That's that's for us, for
our people and for the world. Not for America, and
not for the subjugation that Donald Trump represents, not for
the subjugation that we've been forced to live under. H
No matter where you are, let's start moving. Another girl,
I don't care where you are.

Speaker 4 (03:05:04):
I don't care.

Speaker 10 (03:05:04):
If you're the president of a multi meeting dollar white corporation,
then you're a vice president if that's how you pay
your bills. Hey, you can still practice kwanza. You can
still get your family on the right page. You can
still begin the process of becoming a greater and greater
asset to your people rather than a liability to your

(03:05:26):
people and your people's future.

Speaker 3 (03:05:28):
Right.

Speaker 1 (03:05:28):
Let me ask you this before we get out of here, though.
What you saw on Howard's campus, and I've been watching
college football quite a bit. I see some of the brothers,
a lot of the brothers got dreads. Is this a
resurgence of the Black power move in the sixties. Do
you think we're on the cusper of that?

Speaker 3 (03:05:43):
Again?

Speaker 10 (03:05:45):
Well, I think that that we are. This generation is
being inspired by that that generation, which is so impactful now,
whether they're really incorporate, for example, whether we'll change the
slogan for Black Lives matter to black power. But we
were the Black Power generation, we weren't the Black Lives

(03:06:06):
Matter generation. But you know, yes, I think some of
that is going on, and some of the residual effects
of what we did in the so called sixties and
seventies is reappearing and its value is being understood. Yet
we are appreciating ourselves more than we have in the past,
and we need to continue to do that in spite

(03:06:28):
of the negative impact that the effects of Donald Trump
has had on our communities.

Speaker 1 (03:06:34):
All right, bab O Blo, I want to thank you
for sharing your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (03:06:37):
Is money.

Speaker 1 (03:06:37):
You made a lot of people think as usual, and
thank you for helping us out here again. I'm sure, folks,
if they want to reach you, I guess you'll have
to come through me to get to you.

Speaker 3 (03:06:47):
Right.

Speaker 10 (03:06:49):
Yeah, I'm you know, at eighty one, But I got
a lot on my play right now. If I have
to have an operation in a few days, and you know,
just so you know, I Ca'm not in a position
where I can have direct access for a lot of people.
So all.

Speaker 1 (03:07:10):
I'll take that burden off you for you. If you
want to reach Babolomuma, just hit me up and I'll
get you in touching it. And Baba, just thank you again, man,
and thank you for the for being a grell in
our community and all the folks in Washington, d C.
Or Moja House, and thank you for coming up with
these thought provoking topics each and every time we call on.

Speaker 10 (03:07:29):
Just thank you, Thank you, sir, have given me the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (03:07:34):
All right, family, that's it for the day. Class is dismissed.
Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll see you
tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten
ten WLB and also in the DMV on fourteen fifty
wol or. Information is power.

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