Dr. David Horne & Brother Senghor Baye on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And grind rising family, and thanks for starting your day
with us again. Later, a pan Afghanist and critical thinking scholar,
doctor David Horn will take over our classroom. Doctor Hornill
explained the need for a black agenda, meshing the new
energy of the younger generation with the experience of the Elderess.
But before we hear from doctor Horn, Carvey Eyed Brother
saying go bay A will present the State of the

(00:22):
Race twenty twenty five. But first of Kevin opened the
classroom doors on this Tuesday morning. Grind Rising, Kevin grind.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, it's already that time of day. Whoa,
when does the time go?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Look, it's the eighteenth of November, man, and you know,
trying to plan for Thanksgiving, and you know, trying to
find turkeys on sale, but prices are still you know,
through the roof. Have you found that to be the case?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Sorry, I had to tell you I don't need turkey,
so I don't yet us right, I'm sorry, I'm not
looking for I'm not looking for the flesh.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Brother, that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Bad.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
You know what you're saying? It should be expensive on br
you know you're paying for everything.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Hey, look how you feeling another new I'm feeling great.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I'm still learning. I know I'm gonna learn some stuff
this morning between Brother seant Go Baye and doctor Horne,
for sure, for real.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
For real, that's the way. That's the way you do it.

Speaker 7 (01:19):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
You're just a man of excellence and you bring in
excellent guests continually without any dissension.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
And you see what I did there.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
The reason I bring up the word is because apparently
there's this scent amongst the GOP Trump attacks Marjorie Taylor
Green and a nasty split say they are stung by
this loyalty.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
He announced he.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Was pulling his support for Marjorie Taylor Green yesterday and
said he would back a viable primary count candidate. He
called Green wacky and a trader who has repeatedly complained
despite record achievements for our country under his watch.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
And you know that word trader is huge, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
As far as in a real government act. You know
that that's actually something that people can be convicted.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
For, right right, But you know what, they've been having problems.
There's excuse him there and all this is taking place
because the victims, the so called victims alleged victims of
ways they're gonna be, uh, they're gonna be on Capitol
Hill this morning. And she's met with them and she's
heard their stories what happened to them with it when
they were young girls. And I think it moved her
and it moves some of the women into GOP. And

(02:40):
that's why they've taken the stance. And now, you know,
I guess, I guess the title wave has turned against
Donald Trump. So he says, you know, I'll support it,
I'll sign it if the Senate agrees to you. The
question is, well, how many Republican senators will will cross
over and say open up the files? So that's a
big question, right, I see what you're saying. And what

(03:01):
about never mind this Epstein files thing. According to NPR News,
after months of infighting, the House GOP could vote today
to release the files, and like you said, how many
of them will crossover.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's a bipartisan effort, which has been led by Representative
Thomas Massey from Kentucky and Roe Connon from California, was
long fought by Trump and Republican leadership from reaching the
House floor, and as recently as last week, White House
officials met with Representative Lauren Bobert of Colorado about her

(03:37):
support for releasing the files, but her position was unchanged
After the meeting. On Monday, Trump told reporters at the
White House so that the Senate can take up the
bill as well, and that he'll sign it if it passes.
And the measure, if passed, would compel the Justice Department
to release all of its files on the convicted sex defender,

(03:58):
the late Jeffrey Epstein within thirty days.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
And the President says, I'm all for it.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Right he who knows if the Justice Department will release
them though, you know, if they have an option not to,
so even if he signs here, they'll say, well, an
excuse they were using, Kevin WHI was the fact that
they didn't want to expose that some of the young
women who were involved might might come under attack. But
now these women are coming up and say, hey, I'm
not fearing for my life. This is what happened to me,

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and I want to tell my story, and they're going
to do that this morning before the vote. They get
a chance to speak, right, they had to do that.
That's why I think that's why he you know, he
turned around and made a decision because he the tide
was against him, and of course he saw what happened,
the blue wave that hit the Republicans in the last
election earlier this month, she sawbody he's not going to support.

(04:51):
He's not going to support some people who who approve
the vote, you know. But that I guess he's testing
his strength. Now does he really have command of the
Maga folks, because when we're talking about is the Maga community,
and they're really upset and because they saw you know,
it's not it's not just this though, and that's it's
just not the Epstein files, because he was supposed to
be America first, and they've seen that they're not seeing.

(05:13):
They seeing that Trump is doing you know, eighting in
other countries and not America first. Then you know what
he did. He did another reversal too, is you know
his nickname on Wall Street Taco, you know, with the tariffs.
So you talked about a turkey being expensive one of
the things for the Thanksgiving dinner. It's being expensive, So

(05:34):
he rolled back the tariffs on some certain items. So
then again he caved in again. So he's having a
bad month.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I would say, wow, man, And they say that the
crimes of Epstein exposed a double standard of justice. Like
you're saying, we're rich and powerful men and women evade repercussions.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
That they Yeah, but you know, for black folks pep all,
we've almost known that there's two kinds of justice in
this country, justice and justice, you know, So there's nothing
new for us.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
They Richard Bryar right there, right, just us man Well,
Texas A and M in other news, according to News One,
Texas A and M professors need approval to talk about
race and gender. This new policy comes after Texas AM
and AM fired a professor for teaching about gender identity

(06:28):
in the children's literature class earlier this year.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Your thoughts, again, it's part of the cultural wars, you know,
and what they used these culture wars to say that,
and it's part of in the backdrop of that caviny.
It is this evangelical Christians who say they're Christians, and
you know, some people question whether they're really Christians. I
can't remember which one of our guests that they're not
really Christians, you know, but if they were Christians, they

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wouldn't some of the things that they're embracing, they would
not if they believed in what Jesus said, they would
not be embracing that. So this is just part of
the culture wars to frame the Democratic Party as a
party a group of people who like dysfunctional sexual dysfunction
and that kind of stuff. That's that's all. This is
part of that's helping to frame that. And I know
most most people they don't want transgenders to be on

(07:16):
the same team with, you know, or use the same
bathroom with girls. You know, most most folks don't want that,
whether you're a Democrat or Republican.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
But they figured out a.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Way to frame it that all Democrats are like that,
and that's not true, but it's good for them.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well, no, this is about this is about teaching gen ideology,
and they're saying that it hasn't been taught in the
school ever, and so uh, they're saying that the professors
must now seek approval from the school president to discuss
any topic related to raised and gender.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
It's more about editing, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I would look at it as you hand in your story,
you hand in your report of what you're going to
talk about, and the president of the school who's going
to take the hit, would would just be able to
know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Don't you think that? They said the new rule, But
what what do.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
You think concerns is more gender or race? You know,
we see they're trying to scrub the history books of
what our accomplishments in this country, So they are they
more concerned about that or whether, you know, teaching people
about homosexuality? So you know, we didn't ever know. Again,
it's these gender, these culture wars that they're very good
at fighting.

Speaker 7 (08:32):
Well.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
The policy says no academic course taught at Texas at
and can advocate race or gender ideology or topics related
to sexual orientation or gender identity without approval.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
So so what does that mean So they can't teach
black history? Is that you know, put the gender thing
to the side for the moment. Does that mean they
can't teach black history? Is at the cause because that's
where they're going after two.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Cents inter pretention of that, it means run it past
the president of the college before you teach it is
the way I see that, and the way this article
is written. They say, Now, it's crazy how Republicans spent
so long whining about safe spaces and raised kids who
can't deal with hearing ideas that challenge their preconceived notions,

(09:22):
and the video predictively spurred outrage amongst the Texan. Texas
Republicans but have continually tried to censor what's taught in
both K through twelve schools and higher education, and Texas
Governor Greg Abbitt demanded that McCall and, educated with over
a decade of experience, be fired from her job. And

(09:43):
so if they don't run it past the president, then
then that takes away their ability. Did have a lawsuit
the way I see it, But right and what he does,
he puts him on the hot seat too, because then they'll, yeah,
and came out of his job. We'll threaten with hold
federal funding to the school. So you know, he's got
to make a decision. It's basically it's on him, you know.

(10:05):
That's how I read that.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Sure, Well, at the end of the day, when you
work for somebody, sometimes they might want to.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Know what you're talking about, while at the same time
I do see the bigger picture of what you're saying.
This it becomes a precedent for other colleges to teach you.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Know, or don't't see what they're done with other colleges.
But when you hire professors came in that they're qualified,
you already you know, vetting them before you hired them,
and now you're going to tell them what to do,
how to teach, what to say, what to speak, you know. Yeah,
you hire these guys and they've been teaching, probably been
teaching for quite some time, and all of a sudden,
the new rules come in because we've got a new administration.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
That's what it sounds like to me.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Man, the world is really changing right before our eyes.
It's the eighteenth of November. It's pretty chilly outside. Make
sure you wrap up. Thanksful time, gun. That's the way
it is.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
All right, Thanks Kevin. Thirteen after the top of Alice
bringing brother Singh by her brother Singo is a Garvy
Grand Rising brother Sango. Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 6 (11:11):
Yeah, Grand Rising, the Great Garvey Day always everybody, Uh
say hello to all your listeners. Yeah, we're gonna talk
a little bit about some positive things going on as
well as uh, you know, I know we're gonna deal
with some other issues all throughout this particular interview not
necessarily coming from myself but the doctor David Horn, but

(11:33):
it is important for us as African people to always
focus on the principle of polarity. Wherever they're negative is
always positive at So anyway, I'm happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Call Let me ask you this though, brother, saying before
you get before you get started, brother, single let me
ask you this though. All the situation that Kevin was
talking about, all this stuff that's gone on in Washington,
it seems like we're left out. Is that good for
us to just sit by and watch them just you know,
self destruct?

Speaker 6 (12:02):
Say that again, Carl, all.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
This situation that's going on in Washington, the fighting and fighting,
especially with the Republicans, is it good for black folks
to sit this one out?

Speaker 6 (12:12):
You know your Urugu is going to do with Rugu
is going to do. And what I mean by that
is we as African people need to understand that we've
been under the yoke of white supremacy for a long time. However,
longer time than that, we were in peace and harmony
around the world. So there is going to always be corruption.

(12:33):
But our ancestors actually saw a whole lot of things
that we didn't haven't even seen that are terrible, and
they came through. We are going to make it through
regardless to whatever Urugu does. But it is important for
African people to focus on what we're going to do
to uplift and control our own destiny and not depend
on your Rugu or the system of white supremacy to

(12:55):
do anything for us, because it is not designed. It
was never designed to be for us. And you know,
I like to call this Democratic Party the Democratic Party,
and I like to call the Republican Party the Reptilian
Party because technically speaking, even though they have differences, they
work in conjunction to uphold the system of white supremacy

(13:16):
on the back of people of color, particularly African people.
So we as Garbyites, need to overstand that nothing can
be done to us. When we know who we are,
we rise up. But because we don't know who we are,
we are conditioned to follow the oppressive, which we think
we can find solutions or harmony in systems that they

(13:37):
have created, never going to happen. Garby taught us, Malcolm
taught us, Patricia Mumba taught us, and so many others.
Nanny Helen Burrows, Amy Jax Garby, all those ancestors that
have laid down the path is who we should be
looking at for the work that they do, finding out
what our missions are and to move forward. That's why

(13:59):
I said I wanted to talk about some things that
are going on to the good because we get so
caught up in the corruption and the confusion. And yeah,
it's tough, but if our ancestors made it through the
evils of the Transatlantic slave trade and guide us the
way we are today, we can make it through what
is going on today. In this so called so called

(14:22):
twenty twenty five Plan of Yurugu. What we have seen
in this year is an example of work that they've
been trying to put together to try to set us
back because they see us moving forward, they see us
waking up. Unfortunately, not enough of us understand who we
are and have pulled together to pull our own resources

(14:42):
together and build suffer liantly. And I'm not just talking
about in the US today, all around the world and
so but I have faith in our young people and
despite what you might see or hear about, there are
great things going on. For an example, this past Friday,
I had the honor and pleasure with a whole lot

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of other Africans.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Are you a hold that story right there? Brother sing?
We got to step aside for our first break. I
let you tell that story when you get back. Family,
just waking up at seventeen after the top. There, brother
sang go Baye. He's a gavey I. As you know
you've heard him before. You want to join in on
our conversations, you can reach us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
the phone calls next and grand rising family twenty one
minutes after the top, Thanks for waking up with us

(15:27):
this morning, on this Tuesday morning. Our guest is gafy
iit brother saying go Baye, and he's going to tell
us about the state of the race twenty twenty five
A right, brother, seango, are you about to tell us
the story before we left for the break?

Speaker 7 (15:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (15:40):
And as I was saying, called just so our listeners
are very clear. Our ancestors are waiting and watching, children
are crying and dying, and we are still too apathetic
to understand the real reason why we're here in the
first place. So what we'd like to do garveyit as
a govyite, I like to accentuate the positive things that
you don't care about on the so called Mainline News

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and all the good things that are going on, so
we understand that there is an ability to survive this
confusion that's going on and to move forward to do
something positive for ourselves. I was talking about something that
happened recently last Friday, and I'm gonna talk a little
bit about something that happened in September. Then we're gonna
move forward and talk about how we need to move

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forward with our own plans from twenty twenty five, moving
forward into twenty twenty six. But any rate, On last Friday,
November fourteenth, I had the honor and pleasure of being
at the fifth annual Illuminate Youth Black Brilliance Awards that
was held at the Martin Luther King Junior Memorial the
Library at ten thirty am, where over four hundred students

(16:45):
from high schools around the DMV, middle schools and independent
schools gathered with community elders and activists hosted by Food Smart.
And I want to give propits to my good sister's sister,
a Tea Baul Lacy, who actually a Tear Productions LC
is the mastermind along with others behind this whole event

(17:10):
that is just spectacular Tony Browder, who our listeners here
are very familiar with.

Speaker 7 (17:15):
Anthony.

Speaker 6 (17:16):
Tony Browder was the keynote speaker, as he was last year.
It was an uplifting event. It demonstrated, despite all the
confusion going on, how we can honor our young people
that are selling to eliminate illuminate themselves in brilliance. And
so I just wanted to let people know. Of course
you'll hear more about that. You can also go to

(17:37):
a Tear Productions LC, or you can email me as
sing Be at hotmail dot com and I can tell
you how you can get some more detailed information to
know how great that event was. I'm gonna go back
and then we're going to go forward real quickly. But
in September I had the honor of being representing the
Government of the Unia with many many other groups over

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with thirty five groups who came together after four years
of hosting Race First rallies around the country and hosting
a Race First convention. And at that convention there were
over twelve groups like politics, spirituality, technology, military and security, education,
cultural diversity, economic development, health, agricultural development, sovereignty development, et cetera,

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et cetera that had people who set around tables doing work.
Over thirty five groups of represented. All the groups became
were race worse groups moving forward to create and plan
our work for twenty twenty five and moving forward as
African people race first, not including anything with Urugu, not
including anything with their ideologies, but going back to our

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own African tradition, African heritage, going back to our roots,
and figuring out ways to continue to work. With all
the conventions of the eighteen hundreds and the Garbi movement
in nineteen twenty and also the nineteen seventy two convention
in Indiana, all these conventions that were helped well. This
convention was designed to set a chart place and go forward,

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and later on I'm gonna tell you where you can
go to find out some more details later because come
twenty twenty six, we are implementing what came from that
work with declarations and visions of how we need to
move forward as a race, not just in the United States,
but at home and abroad. So I'm excited because I
understand that we came together, no fussing, no fighting, building

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our own ways and means going forward. And I just
want to let people know stay tuned because even if
you were not able to be there, we're going to
reach out to the world and let the world know
how they can interconnect into that. Now, I have a
special guests on with me from out on the West Coast,
my Greek Brothers that comes from DC, my group Go
Go Electricity of Creative Artists, Brother Obie Holly, who has

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recently began to do things from a creative perspective utilizing
the technology AI. Sometimes we as Africans people, we get
behind that even though we help create technology, we don't
use technology in a positive way to move forward. Brother
Obi has done just that. And I'm going to turn
the mic over to him call and let him talk

(20:05):
about his recent production of Spirits and Spaceships and yeah,
and it is very very relevant to Spirits and very
relevant to Spaceship and I'm gonna let him explain to
you why because it's a need to educate our people
and to use the technology, and it is being done
so without any further ado, Brother Obie.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
All right, Brother Obi, glad to have you this morning.
You know, because we're always talked about the fact that
this new technology, how can we use this new technology
enhance our our fight our creativity. How can we get involved,
how can can he benefit us? So so I'm glad
that brother saying go ahead you on this morning, So
grand Rising, welcome to the program and let's go.

Speaker 8 (20:48):
Thank you so much, thank you, so very much, peace
and love. Thank you so much, Brother Carl Nelson, as
well as Bather Single Baya, always a legend to the people,
always a legend in my eyes and my family's eyes.
We really appreciate you and thank you for having us.
On yes Friday, we did a screening of episode two

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of a series that we hear het Ra created called
Spirits and Spaceship. Some people may be familiar with het
Rah House of Rah. We've been instrumental in doing in
DC the twenty eighth of Qualms of Jima Knight for
the last I don't know thirty something years now, and

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it's always been speaking about positivity and about youth. It's
always been our night has always been one that specifically
focused on youth and effect on youth and incorporating youth.
And as a matter of fact, Barba Single, we were
very youthful when.

Speaker 7 (21:48):
We started it.

Speaker 8 (21:49):
As you know, we would have played something collective years
ago and as a matter of fact, we I think
we spoke about it this year on your show of
Brother Carl Nelson about the Jima Knight event that we produce.
But besides that, this event on spirits and Spaceships that
we produce, is we sat back. I am a television producer.

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One of the things that I do, one of the many,
one of the many. I'm a television producer, a creator,
a director, and I've always, always, we talked about the
fact that we grew up in a world where if
you think about it, let's think about it for one minute,
and I want everybody online, everybody that's listening, to think

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about this for one minute.

Speaker 7 (22:37):
Right.

Speaker 8 (22:38):
As far as black people, black movies, black stories, uh
and fantasy quote unquote fantasy stories, let's say quote unquote
fantasy stories, because for our ancestors, magic and things are
not fantasy. They're not even supernatural, they're just natural.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
Right.

Speaker 8 (22:56):
But as far as things that you've seen in the media,
right file right, you only seen really up until recently,
you've seen The Wiz. Think about that, The Wiz since
nineteen seventy something. That was the last time you saw
a movie a show that was all black cast, acting, magic, music,

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you know, mystical things going on, right, anything close to Sciphi.
It wasn't even necessarily a sci fi movie, right, But
since then you haven't really seen anything. It's one of
the reasons why when Black Panther dropped, not only did
the black world erupt, the entire world erupted. Because the

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entire world saw that magic. They saw that said, hold up,
that's real, that's us. That's who we are, no matter
what was going on in our community at the time,
no matter what's going on, the matter the detrimental things
that are going on. We saw Black Panther. The kids
saw Black Panther, the young people, and was like, yo,
I identify with that.

Speaker 9 (23:58):
That is who we are.

Speaker 8 (24:00):
We are that magic, we are that power. They are
we are that shrimp. But can you imagine that since
the six since the seventies and beyond, and I'm talking
about something that was a major commercial product that the
whole world saw. We saw the Wiz, and the Whiz
was amazing to me. But white dominated Hollywood produce Star Wars.

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I mean they produced numerous movies before that. They had
Star Trek. I mean, we've had Harry Potter, We've had
we've had unlimited, unlimited series that fed directly into the
minds of young white people specifically, but everybody Black people.
Black kids had that was their goal to as well,

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not just white kids, but the only thing that we
could identify with as black kids because it was the
only thing that was offered to us in the major
commercial way was these major white productions that showed white people.
So in these side five other worldly environments and creative spaces. Right,

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But at this point in time, because of having access
to some tools like AI, besides the fact that Hollywood
and it's a lot of black people out there that
are creators that have these ideas, right, besides the fact
that Hollywood would not have green lit these these films

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and TV shows that center around black folks and other
places and spiritual places and magic. We didn't We did
not have that opportunity to create those kinds of things
in a big way that would have reached the audiences.
We could have done it in a lot of different
kinds of smaller ways when I'm talking about in the big,
big way. But now with the access that we all

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have to some of this AI technology, we can tell
stories that Hollywood would have never green liit that were
always inside of us, and that's sort of the thing
that's happening with our story Spirits and Spaceships, Spirits and Relationships. Friday,
we had the screening of episode two. Last year we

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had episode one, and since then we've been developing a
lot of other projects. But we at RA are traditional
production company where we do traditional productions. I received in
me about a year and a half ago for traditional
production meaning a non ar oriented production. But now we

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have access to create any kind of story that you
want to create.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
With utilizing this tool and hold on through right there,
Brother Obie, let me just tell the folks who are
just waking up a twenty eight minutes away from the
top day, our brother Obie Holly is an AI producer
autificial intelligence. We've been talking to quite a bit about
on both ends, about artificial intelligence, brother Sadeka Bakari, and
also about you know, what's going on with the spaceships

(27:06):
and that we've been talking out with about the Nation
of Islama. They first one in our community talked about
aliens and spaceships. Your production, does it bring in any
of those earlier thoughts that the manager of the Nation
of Islam. We talked about were taught early by Elijah Muhammad.

Speaker 7 (27:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (27:26):
Well, you know, this idea of spirits and spaceships is
tapping on the concept that we as black people, and
I'm very familiar with the Nation of Islam aspects of it.
It's not necessarily the exact same thing, no, but it

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does relate in the sense that we're talking about spaces Yes,
we're talking about black people that are coming from other
worlds and other dimensions in our particular story, in our
particular series. Our series is about other dimensions where black
people have not necessarily gone through the same atrocities that
we've gone through here in the Americas and in these

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other dimensions. Right, they're recognizing that on other timelines that
black people are going through atrocities, and they're coming to
those timelines keeping in and they're saying, Yo, we have
to stop some of these atrocities. But at the same time,
they're realizing that there's some divine things going on, but
there's certain individuals they must grab up, take back to

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their world, train and bring back because there's a bigger
universe and there's multiple dimensions where there are different things
going on that we have to save in order to
bring alignment and balance back through the universe and universes
and totality. Now, I know I got really big and
really really really really expansive on that. But what we

(28:57):
did on Friday is we did part two of our
of our episodes. And what happened was last year when
we did part one people, yeah, part two of our series.
I'm sorry, but last year when we did part one,
we kind of introduced some of the characters. But then
this this Friday, we exploded in the in the part

(29:19):
two and people were just stunned. And part of the
reason they were stuned is because we utilized AI instead
of traditional methods of telling the stories. I'm still an editor.
We had to edit it and put it together using
some of the AI videos that we were able to
create and create this this this story, and it basically

(29:40):
stunned people. Stunned the crowd and they were absolutely amazed
at what they were able to see. When you saw
when people saw Black Panther just from the movie Black Panther,
just from the standpoint of the science fiction elements, from
the visual element, people were amazed. People identified with it
from a power standpoint, to see us in the position

(30:01):
of power, see us in the position of having worlds
that never were influenced by the corruption of you know,
European control and things of that nation. So AI, I mean,
excuse me, the spirits and space its tapped into that reality.
So this is our series that we're bringing to the

(30:23):
world and we're bringing to the youth, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
All right, Hold, that's all right there, yeah, Hold all right,
fellas step asid and get caught up with the ladies
news when we come back. Mark in Baltimore City has
a question for you family, just waking up our guess
brother brother Obi Holly, is that correct? He's an AI producer.
He's done a lot of work with our young people
and get involved using AI to talk about the future.
What are your thoughts? Also brother saying god by as

(30:49):
real let's think brother Sant Gore is a gave it
as most of you know. We're going to continue discussion
after we check check the traffic, the news, the weather
or not different cities. It's twenty four minutes away from
the top. Bayn Family will take the check the news
next and Grand Rising Family infacts of waking up with
us on this Tuesday morning. It's seventeen minutes away from
the top. Day I with I guess the brother saying,
go by a he's brought with us along with him

(31:11):
this morning, brother ob Holly, he's a producer using AI
to tell our stories. Before we go back to him,
let me just remind you come up later this morning,
we're gonna have a critical figure and pan africanist that
doctor David Horn will join us. And later this week
you're gonna hear from Greyl professor James Small and also
a naturalatic, doctor Scott Whittaker will be here as well.
Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to

(31:31):
seventy six. Brother Obi, I'll let you finish your thoughts.
Then Mark in Baltimore City has a.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Question for you.

Speaker 7 (31:37):
All right, beautiful, beautiful beautiful.

Speaker 8 (31:39):
So no, I was just saying that, you know the
name of our company is Heed Raw. We're also known
that out of Raw we are production company. We do
all kinds of productions. But because of the AI technology
that's going on, we're utilizing that technology as well to
tell stories that would have been on a most not impossible,

(32:02):
but would have been more difficult to tell without it.
And right now you can basically have freedom if you
utilize some of these tools to tell all kinds of
stories that you can almost almost every story you can imagine,
there's a positive and negative thought to all that to
the AI technology. And as a matter of fact, I
just want to put a little plug plug and I

(32:24):
also have on Friday, we also not only screened Spirits
and Spaceships episodes two, which is our series at het
Rod that I and my partner, my wife Menica Holly,
have created, but I also released my book AI and
Black People. I Am Remember but Black People, and check

(32:47):
that out if you're interested this year.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
But thank you all right, hold up right there fifteen
away from I've told you, Mark and hold any in
Baltimore City has a question for you and brother Santor
as well. Seanline grund Rising Market question for a brother
Obi or brother Sangor.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
Yes, the good morning, gentlemen. Excellent presentation. I'm part of
a local neighborhood and improvement association. I'm on the board
of directors and we actually have an education committee and
we are trying to make ourselves available to find out
how we can relate to the young people in our
community to get them involved in a positive way and
think about not only helping the community, our community in general,

(33:25):
but also pursue a career that is, you know, appropriate
for their what they're mostly interested in. Now, most of
our young folks, you know, we have put a lot
of emphasis at sports and all that, which is which
is good for those who are athletically inclined and so forth,
but we haven't put too much emphasis on computers or performing.

Speaker 7 (33:48):
Arts or the like.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
So is there's something we as a community association at
as individuals center, you know, we can do or if
you have materials for us as an organizational individuals where
we can encourage our young people who or have that interest,
that passion for the arts or theater or acting or
any or computers or anything like that that that you
have available that we can engage in or obtain. That's

(34:12):
my question and thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
All right, Thanks Mark, A good question because you know
generally you know this as well, Brother Single, when it
comes to our young people, we would like to throw
in a basketball, you know, and I'll glad sign and
shoot some hoops. But this is what what brother Obie said,
He is making them think. So Brother Obi and Brother Singh,
you want to respond to what Mark's question.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
Yeah, yeah, if mark about it, if he could give
your infantis information, I'm real curious to know more about
what he does. I don't want to do it over
the air, but I would like for him to leave
some contact info what you call or that we can
really reach out to him, because it sounds like, uh,
it's important for all of us that are doing great

(34:53):
work to interface with each other now now more than ever,
I think to ask us are calling us all to
come together because it's some a lot of good things
going on, and when all the good things cook up,
we can have more accessibility to resources. So that's all
I would say. I really appreciate what the butther just said.
Anybody that's working with our youth is on point with
the future. It is critical that we do involve our

(35:14):
young people across the board, not just in athletics, but
in all kinds of things like technology, especially creativity. And
before this network is over with, I want Obi to
also talk a little bit about his legacy, his daughters,
the Hollygirls, as well as his queen, because they don't

(35:37):
only deal with they eye, they deal with all kinds
of creative energy. And we're going to talk about I'm sure,
they're going to be here this year for Kwansa again
in the DC area. So I'll stop on that point.
Let Obi speak to it. But I love to hear
anybody doing anything positive for young people. That is critical.
We need to stay focused on self reliance, doing for

(35:58):
self respecting our ancestors. However, you respect the most High
and the order of the universe and get connected because
we are the ones that are really powerful, but we
have not used our power properly to move forward, and
that is very important. I'll stopped right there.

Speaker 8 (36:15):
I say to that, yes, yes, yes, yes, Well just
another another plugs. As far as education goes. One good
book to check out. It's called AI and Black People.
I gotta say that because no very important, and you
can go to AI and Black People dot com and

(36:35):
find that information because there's no book or very few
sources like that that's totally dedicated to talking about AI
UH through black people specifically, and about the ups, the downs,
the positive, the negatives, and ultimately how we can use
it to our benefits I mean UH. And then of course,

(36:56):
in additions to that, there are various organizations cheching creative
organizations that offer different kind of training. But it needs
to be more, especially when it comes comes to black people.
And we talked about that when it comes to black
people and specifically technology. But the flip side of that
is that, as you know, black people have always been
on the cutting edge of technology since before ancient Egypt,

(37:20):
since Adam's Calendar South Africa, which is predated Stoneheads by
about twenty five thousand and seventy thousand. Some people say
seventy thousand years. We've always been We're on the cutting
edge and the creators, and we're the foundation of high technology.
And your youth right now has been utilizing technology. If

(37:44):
you look at youth of even everything from a cell
phone to video games, they're utilizing technology. They're farther ahead
than we often realize when it comes to technology. It's
just that right now, in the current situation, you don't
see us having to access to being the driver's seat

(38:07):
of creating the technology. And what happens is we wund
up being the consumers rather than the creators on a
large scale. And so my book, for example, is about
promoting the idea that we're using it regardless. So we
need to be on the driver's seat and be the
creators and reap the positive benefits of the creation of

(38:29):
the technology and point the technology in a way that's
beneficial to us, the beneficial to the world long term
as opposed to destructives to us and destructives to the
world long term.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
So all right, let me check it and ask you
this brother Obia. Ten minutes away from the top of
they out just AI level of playing field because you
know production in Hollywood used to do you shout a
lot of money just to get in that game. Just
now with AI, does that make the plane field levels
so other folks you can get involved as well?

Speaker 8 (38:58):
Oh my god, it levels it in a whole lot
of ways that couldn't have happened before.

Speaker 9 (39:05):
You know.

Speaker 8 (39:06):
Pilo Pari, for example, and we talked about this in
a book. He was about to do eight hundred million
dollar upgrade of his studio and when he found out
about an application called Sora, which is a video application
created by open Ai, which is the same company that
created the popular app cat GPT, which I'm sure people

(39:27):
online are using chat GPT. We can talk about chat
GPT a little bit more. But after he found out
about this this app stra and this was last or
a year and a half a half ago, Sora was
a video generation app, which means basically that you put
a prompt into or instructions that you want or a
question that you want AI to answer for you. And

(39:50):
in Sora's case, since it's a video app, you say,
for example, create a picture or I'm sorry, created a
video of a bumblebee landing on a flo and in
a couple of seconds, hey, I can create that image. Now.
Back in the day, if you wanted to create a
bumble bee on a flower, you had to go buy

(40:10):
a camera. We had to go find a bubble train
a couple of bumble bees, and that's kind of impossible.
That you had to go to an environment to the down,
have proper lighting, have a camera crew, have a certain
amount of money, etc. To create that production and create
that reality. But now you can do it in about
thirty second, not even thirty seconds with this app called Sora.

(40:32):
But that was when so one point Oh came out.
But now we're at Sora too, and it's doing stuff
even faster and even more incredible in terms of the
visuals are concerned. And now they even had sound effects
and stuff like that. So yes, as far as it's
a level in the playing field. What you're going to
have is moving forward. And you know, us creating our

(40:57):
series Spirits and Spaceships is an example of that. I've
all we have always wanted to create mystical sci fi
movies taking place in other worlds and magic and stuff
like that, but it was difficult. Uh, you have to
have access to to to to an image that looks
like another planet. You have to have access to mountains

(41:18):
and far places and access to this to be able
to shoot that stuff and be able to get all
these actors and all these images together. It takes a
lot of time and a lot of money, and Hollywood
would has not greenlit these kind of projects. Hollywood has
green lit projects that depicted black people as thugs often
you know, to pick the black people in other kinds

(41:38):
of ways. But now, because of the technology, you can
create your own stories far easier without having to go
through Hollywood. And what's going to happen is besides not
just me in a in a in a coffee house
typing up a story and creating it in the way
that I want. They're going to be kids, your kids,

(41:58):
your grandkids are going to be in school creating story.
They're already doing it, but they're gonna educate not just
two second stories, that they're gonna be able to create
long form movies and plays. And that's what we're doing
with Spiritual Space.

Speaker 6 (42:11):
It yeah, real short. I just want to kind of
so people that are listening can really be clear. This
is very important for us to relate to how AI
ancestral intelligence meets AI artificial intelligence and utilize Absolutely, I

(42:33):
want to say that again. It's very important. Tony Brown
and I talk about this all the time. It's very
important for us to recognize as conscious Africans living now
and carrying out our mission, how ancestral intelligence is something
that is within us that we can bring up and
like what Obi is doing and others is utilizing artificial

(42:58):
intelligence to create stories that will help raise the consciousness
and move forward. So the answer to the question call
that you had is absolutely much better. And now that
we stay in front of the game. That's why it's
important to get the book AI and Black People Because

(43:18):
me a lay person that don't know holly anything about
artificial intelligence, what I saw Friday, I was totally motivated.
It rolls up my electricity because what Obi and his
family were able to do is put together a story
utilizing artificial intelligence and bringing in ancestral intelligence and bringing

(43:42):
a story forward that will resonate with us as people.
So we don't need Hollyweird in this regard, all right, Hold.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
I thought right there, Brother singh and Brother Obi Holly family.
Brother Obi Holly is an AI producer. We got to
step aside for a few moments and check the traffic
and weather and not different cities. It's four minutes away
from the top day of family, just waking up and
we want to join the conversation. Reach out to us
at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six
and we take your phone calls after the trafficking weather together.
That's next and grand rising family, thanks for starting.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
Your day with us.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Two after the top of that with our guests brother
sending go by a and also Brother O B.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Holly.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
He's the AI producers out in Hollywood making movies sci
fi movies right now to help us, you know, But
brother Obi, let me ask you the question. You know,
AI is getting a lot of pushback from the Hollywood
industry because it says it's eliminating a lot of jobs.
But for us, we weren't getting those jobs in the
first place, so they think the fight for us is
sort of different. So how do you see any pushback

(44:41):
of people saying, you know, you taking people's jobs. Here
we talk about crafts, We've talked about stage hands, you know, lighting,
production writers, the whole nine yards, and you could just
you could do all of those jobs in ones just
by sitting in front of your computer.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
So do you get any pushback at all?

Speaker 7 (44:59):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (44:59):
No, of course it's going to be pushed back in
general as regarding AI and jobs in Hollywood or jobs
just in production period. I mean, you know, we do
normal productions that aren't AI insensors, and we are doing
AI productions as well. The reality is that everyone in

(45:21):
America who has had a cell phone or has used GPS,
or who has i mean had a smart refrigerator or
had a smart TV in the last twenty years, has
been using AI. And the reality is that we all
have participated in the programming or training of the AI
models through our lifestyle. Every time we got on Google
Maps to go somewhere, we were doing it. We all,

(45:44):
just in the last couple of years, have been taken
aback by this thing that we call generative AI, where
we can use a prompt and put in something that
we want, be it a picture, it to help us
and to create a document, and then it responds with
an answer. That thing has been the thing. These these

(46:06):
extremely new language models that AI users, where it can
recognize English language to a degree and give you an answer.
These are the things that have been kind of have
that have rattled the industry and are going to shape
every single industry. And there's no way around it. There's
no way. There's absolutely no way around it. Whether you're
talking about in Hollywood, or you're talking about in the

(46:29):
car industry, or you're talking about in every industry. It's
going to abruptly change the industry. And so my thing
is that we have to be on the cutting edge
of where things are going, as opposed to be as
far as far as black people is concerned, as opposed
to being the last people to understand and get on
something and being left behind. Think about it like this,

(46:53):
Because of AI, they're gonna be a lot of black
jobs at risk. Jobs that black people have, be it
at a grocery store, be it at a cashier, be
it across the board, not just in Hollywood, so how
do we participate in where this thing goes as opposed
to becoming victims of where this thing goes? And the

(47:13):
way to participate is to be a part of it
in some in some aspects, or to be there's also
going to be a kind of a counterculture, just like
Vinyl records, for example, where people know that when MP
CDs came out, everybody was like, hey, man, CDs are cool.
Vinyl disappeared, right, and then a few years later MP

(47:36):
three MP three's came out. CDs disappeared, but now guess what,
Vinyl's back, and now it's a kind of a cult
niche thing. So there's another thing where you can be
on the total opposite side and represent that which is
totally non artificial intelligence and still make a living for yourself,
et cetera. But we're we're right now. We're in the

(47:58):
height of the AI kind of revolution changing things. It's
the same thing with any technology. When the Internet came out,
people said, hey man, no one's gonna go to a
library again, and this tweeted that I know young a
lot of young people that never go to the library.
If they want to ask a question, they get on
Google to ask a question. I'm sure you got friends

(48:20):
like that, right, They asked their questions from something their
phone in their pockets. But overall, libraries had to shift
because the industry was disrupted, but libraries are still here.
Same thing with the cab industry. I mean a lot
of us know people in the cab industry that had
cabs and you know, were severely affected when cabs were

(48:43):
replaced by ubers and lists. They're not entirely replaced. It replaced, right,
but every I mean a lot of us can't even remember.
Some of some of our kids that are people that
are teenagers that are twenty one years old, never drove
a cab. They only drove an uber or a lift.
While they shot the cab industry. On the flip side,
it created a lot of jobs for people that didn't

(49:04):
have no other way to get a job that could
drive all night long and pick people up at the
airport and utilize it their own schedule. So with all
these changes that happened, there's going to be disruption, and
at the same time, there's going to be for people
that are thinking, that are smart, that are involved, that
are trying to figure out what's the next thing, And
we Black folk are extremely creative. There's going to be

(49:28):
a new way of people that can have to take
advantage of what's going on and taking it to the
next phase and new entrepreneurs. It doesn't mean the technology
don't change the industries the jobs. Like you said, absolutely,
they're definitely going to be affecting the jobs because thing
is this, The thing is this, It's happened regardless. Hollywood,

(49:52):
for example, is going to there's no way they can
exist in this world where any kid can create a
Disney quality movie uh and and put it out there.
So they're gonna have to adjust unfortunately, fortunately depend upon
how you look at it. And the other thing about
it is my greatest thing about it is in Africa,

(50:16):
for example, in the Caribbean, and I live in in
Los Angeles, we don't have uh in Detroit, in Cleveland
and Cincinnati and uh you know the south side of
Chicago there aren't movie studios. But guess where there are.
The kids got laptops. Young people got laptops, and they'll
be able to tell stories they never were able to,

(50:37):
never able to create.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Right, And I get where you're going, but that begs
my question. I'm glad you go there, brother Obi, because
you're right that we're in the digital revolution right now.
You know, people are not caning around cash as well,
they're using you know, credit cards, and then that's gonna
be gone pretty soon. But the Mata, I'm not sure
how old you are if you remember the mata, uh
the matar in the shit what it was where they

(51:01):
try to figure out they figured out for black folks,
it's distribution. We don't have a mechanism for people to
buy our products. You talked about the Caribbean, you talked
about south Side, Chicago and Cleveland, all these different cities.
But if people don't know, how are you going to
get know that? When you do these movies, how are
the folks and on the content, how are they going
to know that they exist? That's what Marta was trying

(51:23):
to do because we make a lot of stuff, we
just don't know who makes them and we want to
support our folks, but we just don't know how to
reach them. So how are you gonna how are you
going to cross that hurdle? Because when you make these movies,
how are you going to reach the people who needs.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
To see them?

Speaker 8 (51:36):
Well, well, there's gonna be a couple of things that's
going on. As far as that's concerned, distribution has always
been the thing that's always the power play, right. I mean,
I know that recently on Instagram, I can't remember the
organization Africa I don't called Africa Stream or something. The
United States government recently pulled them off of Instagram. And

(52:00):
they were doing a lot of positive stuff. They were
talking about truck or ray over in uh Raquina, fasso,
et cetera. And they were doing all kinds of real
positive uplooking stuff. But on Instagram, people a platform that
we just think it's some free platform, right, they just
pulled pulled the whole, uh their whole company off of
there and and denied them them access. The same thing

(52:22):
with you know, the same thing. Kinds of things can
happen on Facebook and all these things. But all these
companies I just mentioned are we're always white owned companies
that never had necessarily black interests at heart. You know,
you don't want it black people to get involved and
be on these platforms, but these were not black owned companies,

(52:43):
and so we have to be in the driver's fy
of this technology. We can't just utilize I mean, all
of us, you know, we we throw an event, we
utilize Facebook, we show an event, we utilized Instagram to
get the word out, But we're not throwing an event
utilizing social media product that we've created and have have

(53:03):
control over. Not yet, not in a large, large, large
scale yet. I know Isaac Cay's's Sun who created fan Base,
which you've you know, raising money for it to try
to get popular, et cetera, et cetera, which is a
social media platform. But we have to be in the
driver's set and the creation of that. So on one level,
we have distribution. As the technology becomes even more u popular,

(53:28):
we'll have opportunity to popularize our own distribution outlets. It's
number that's number like number one, number two. But also
as the popular as the technology becomes more popular, these
streaming services and stuff are going to have to recognize
and and be like, man, this content is popular. If

(53:51):
you can make it popular, they're gonna want to stream
your stuff. That's amazing because the end of the day,
they they're trying to generate dollars, So let.

Speaker 6 (53:58):
Me try them in here, could Obi call That's a
very good question. But that's why it's very important. That's
why this topic is called state of the race. So
when we start talking about certain things, we always depend
too much on the oppressor to move forward. We need
to create tech the necessary things we need to move forward.

(54:21):
That's why I started the whole show off talking about
the race first convention because all of the issues that
we're talking about right now, we are talking about coming
up with solutions to how we can move forward. So
our technological table was seriously looking at that, not only
how you can create ways to distribute positive content to

(54:44):
our people black owned back controls, but how you can
secure it. Obi gave a very good example of a
very powerful company coming out of East Africa that was
rolling and kicking our real positive information and because they
were U European or Urugu of vehicles, they were completely

(55:06):
taken off. So that means we as African people need
to be ahead of the game and create the kind
of technology, create the kind of science that is required
for us to move forward where that don't happen. And
I want to make it real clear, anything positive that
is going on for African people needs to connect with

(55:27):
other things positive because we are we are a cradle.
I mean, there is no human beings that exists in
the world that can not come from us. So there
is nothing that we cannot create, but we've been so
programmed to let the other fellow control how we move forward.
Like let's look at the Internet for example. If you

(55:48):
look at the creative ability of African people, there would
be no Internet without the creativity of our people. But
the question is who controls it. So I just want
to make that clear. So listen must understand Carl. Everything
we need can be put in place for us to
move forward, particularly the ways to distribute positive content. So

(56:11):
it's not like one area. We need to connect all
of these areas. That's why we're talking about the state
of the race. And I don't want to push us
too forward into the future. But we got Quansa coming up,
and you're talking to two of folks who are connected
to a large collective that have been doing Quansa for years.

(56:32):
And on the thirtieth we're going to do Near and
on the twenty eighth by Brother Obia Sand they're going
to do that Quansa event. So it's about connecting with
other brothers and sisters, not just in the US of A,
but even in Africa. They have creative ability to create
what we need so we have our own world going forward. Remember,

(56:54):
the Pyramids were built by our ancestors, and I want
to say that the pyramids were built by our answers.
So it is nothing that we cannot build when we
know who we are and we put our mind to it. Anyway,
I'll stop there because I'm very pumped up.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
I had I got you fifteen.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
As to the top of the our family, that's brother
saying go Bay's gave heed and is along with brother
Obi Holly. He's an AI producer out in Hollywood, and
we're talking about we're using the new technology to work
for us. And one of the things that we just
discussed we need our own platform. Just this morning, right
now as we speak, there's a platform called cloud Flare.

(57:34):
This is where websites likes ex forming on his Twitter
and film reviewing site, letterboxes on aram message because it's
down right now. So, brother Obi, how can we create
our own platform? And then once we created, how can
we get the message out that this is ours and
get our people to support it because you know, there's
some folks in our communities still think that the white

(57:55):
man's ici is cold, is water wet, and is sugar sweeter.
We got to convince those folks to come over.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
How can we do that?

Speaker 7 (58:04):
You know.

Speaker 5 (58:06):
Right now?

Speaker 8 (58:07):
We have to, we have to, we have to just
do it. We actually one of het rid projects is
the creation of a platform. I don't want to get
into all of that right now on the phone, unfortunately, but.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I try to hold up thought right there and think
about that because we've got to step aside for a
few moments. And when you come back, I'll let you
explain that. Because because we can make the product family.
And this is again I mentioned the Mata. Some of
you who understand what Marta was trying to do it
because we've got people who make all kinds of stuff
all across the world, and what Marta was a network,
was trying to bring them together. If you want to
buy black, and this is what we're trying to do.

Speaker 6 (58:45):
I work with Mata cal so I understand clearly what
you're talking about. I work with Ken Bridges and now
I understand.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
But hold up thing right there, brother saying, we got
to take a short break and I'll let you explain
that when we get back. And for the folks who
don't know what Marta is family, you want to join
this converse sation with brother Senghar. He just hard him speaking,
Brother Obi Hali, he's AI producer stuff. I'bout making films
for us. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four to
five zero seventy eight seventy six will get you in.
We'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family.

(59:13):
Thanks are staying with us on this Tuesday morning. I
guess his brother Seng Goo bay A, he's a Garvey act.
You've heard him here before. And also introducing us to
a brother Obi Holly. He's an AI producer's making sci
fi films out in Hollywood and it's doing it for us.
And before we left, the brother Seng was going to
explain to us what the Marta For those of you
who don't know what Martar Group was with of course

(59:35):
you knows Ken Bridges and al Wellington. Those are the
fellows who were spirit leading Marta. Because we have some
brilliant folks around the country, around the world who manufacture stuff,
but we just don't know who they are. We just
don't know how to reach them. And this is what
that was the Martars goal. So brother sengud to tell
the folks explained it with what what Martar was. Because
if brother Obi's making these these sci fi flicks that

(59:56):
we should support and love and we want to watch,
but if we don't know on how to get to them,
how he can reach us, then that's a problem. We
have to we have to you know, we have to
make that connection there and bringing that gap ahead and
explained at first, I.

Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
Must held up our ancestors brother brother Kenbridges and Al Wellington,
two geniuses who came up with the concept of Marta.
But they set at the feet of Gary's That's what
a lot of people don't know. They set at the
feet of Garveyites. The Robinson brothers, Calvin and Edward Robinson
out of Philadelphia, powerful, just like Doc Ben and Doc Clark.

(01:00:33):
They created a whole lot of things. But that's how
Martar came into existence. After the million Man March, there
was a Wellington group and Ken Bridges and Al Wellington
had a group established that supported the million Man March.
After the Millionaire March in nineteen ninety five, Marta was established.
Martar was essentially a race first distribution, a network distributing

(01:00:57):
products made and created by black people. And so I
don't want to go too into it because it's a
whole show. But the fact of the matter is there
are people who are still who work with MATA, who
are working on other ways and means of distributing products.
And there are other groups, not just in the United

(01:01:17):
States but around the world that are working on similar projects.
But MATA was a rape first gobyit network that was
established primarily in Philadelphia, New Jersey, but spread it all
across the country. Brother Haki who comes in here, a
lot myself and a whole lot of us people in Chicago,
a lot of people who created product black products were

(01:01:37):
able to distribute them through the network that was created
by MACA. So I'll leave it to that call. But
what my point is, just like Ken Bridges and al
Wellington were geniuses, economic geniuses that created the network, there
are other brothers and sistants alive today that have those
kind of engineering and economic skills that are creating ways

(01:01:59):
and means to provide ways and means. You heard Brother
Obie say that he couldn't go too into depth about
some of the things that are being worked on because
anything that we put in place, we have to be
able to control it and push it forward so other
people can gain it and get from it. And that's
what I happened Friday with what would happened with the

(01:02:20):
Spiritual Spaceship is everybody that saw it was extremely motivated.
Like our engineer brother Harold, brother Haru, he saw it.
He was totally motivated. And I just want to thank
Obi and his family for being so visionary to take
on the ability to utilize AI and continue to do

(01:02:42):
the creative work. Because what people do not understand is
not only do they understand how to use AI, they
use their creative genius to create art and culture. And
I wanted Obi before he gets off, to talk a
little bit about that because I know his instance, he
does a lot of production and he has a holly girls,
his daughters that are absolutely fabulous. So I'll stopped on

(01:03:05):
that point because I really want people to hear a
little more about you know, the AI and how important
it is to get Obi's books. You know, AI and
black people, AI and black people very important, all.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Right, brother Obi?

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
But first of all, Brother, what what triggered What was
it that made you want to get into this field
and tell our story? What was it that that you know, Well,
this sparked, you're interesting, get into AI to tell our story.

Speaker 8 (01:03:33):
That's funny you asked that question. I always knew, says
a kid.

Speaker 6 (01:03:39):
You.

Speaker 8 (01:03:39):
My name is Obie, right, so you know, the primary
character in the movie Star Wars back in the day
was Obi ben Kenobi Obi Wan. So ever since the
seventy people let me call me obi Wan. So that's
one of my nicknames. And right, and as you know,
Star Wars is uh Android, you're gonna say so, I'm sorry, no, no, no,

(01:04:05):
go ahead, You're good.

Speaker 7 (01:04:06):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:04:07):
You know it's a sci fi uh you know, movie series,
et cetera. And so I've always been on on on
the cutting edge of that. I've always been on a
cutting edge of spirituality, African spirituality as well as looking
into the into the future. I remember back in the day,
I went to a Nation House by Toto Nation House

(01:04:28):
Positive Action Center. Shout out to I J. Mayhe's fly
a piece into all the great people that created that
magnificent institution for young African people. And we started a
computer club. I'm not even gonna get getting to my age,
but we started a computer club back in the day
when it was about the Commodore sixty four and the

(01:04:49):
VIC twenty, and people didn't even know where the A
lot of people didn't even know what the computer was actually,
and so we were always kind of ahead of the
game as far as what was going on. So that
put me in the frame of mind to be able
to recognize friends, I would say faster than not everybody,
but faster than some people. And I saw early on

(01:05:11):
with this AI thing that this was going to be
a major game changer. And I've done that in the
past with different things, but I said, yeah, this is
going to be a major game changer, just like the
Internet was a major game changer. I'm just like Uber
and lists were major game changers. I knew this was
going to be a major game changer. And my thing

(01:05:32):
is I did not want Black people to be the
last to know or to simply be the consumers historically,
And we talked about this in a book. Even though
we went through the four hundred year slave trade, slave
trade and Jim Crow, we still managed to come through

(01:05:53):
with our brilliant and basically event everything from a technological
love well. I mean, I don't know how many people
could go through what Black people with would still come
out being instrumental in the creation of the Internet, and
the instrumental in the creation of this mechanical thing, this
technical thing. So let you know that this idea that
black people ain't technical people or not in the technology,

(01:06:15):
that's that's the fart.

Speaker 7 (01:06:16):
We're the creators of it.

Speaker 8 (01:06:17):
Like Barba single Baya said, we create the pyramids and pyramids,
civilizations and you know, agriculture and writing and all kinds
of things. So as far as being able to create,
that's always been something that we did. And even though
the society has attempted to position us to not paying

(01:06:39):
positions of power as far as technology is concerned in
terms of the creation or ownership of that creation, let's
make that key ownership. I said, you know what, I
gotta do something that's going to help reposition us and
put us in our rightful place. We're the creators, the founders,
the originators of technology, spirituality first and special intelligence first.

(01:07:03):
But our technology was always used historically and traditionally come
out of Africa and then all over the world to
push forward our spiritual agendas, to push forward the concept
of us realizing our greatest and for its potential and
spiritual bands first and so I said, I'm not gonna

(01:07:25):
let these people.

Speaker 7 (01:07:29):
Not allow us.

Speaker 8 (01:07:30):
Let me create something that's going to position us to
be able to utilize the technology, get in on the
ground level and instead of just being consumers like a
lot of us consumed video games, all these things. We consume. Netflix,
we consume, Amazon, we consume, I mean, Ahbo Max, we consume, consume, consume.

(01:07:53):
Said not, We're gonna be on the creating side of it.
So that's what AI and Black People the book is
about create so that we can mean a power position
and so that ultimately we can help shape the future
because it's here regardless if we like it, don't like it,
realize it or not, and it's going to affect it.
It's already a second folks in so many ways, job wise,

(01:08:16):
et cetera, et cetera. So we need to be in
the driver's seat of where it goes, and not just
that if we can't complain about these algorithms, for example,
I mean, think about it like this, These algorithms and
these are the systems that are used that are basically
the direction for the AI applications that we use. Be

(01:08:38):
it a GPS application, be it a mid journey application
that creates a beautiful picture for you, be it chat,
GPT that helps you write an article. These algorithms are
trained and are training themselves based on information that's out there,
largely based on data sets for example, where that come

(01:08:58):
off the Internet, random information on the Internet, all kinds
of information. And if that information on the Internet has
been steeped in racism and the white supremacy worldview, that's
gonna come out in your AI results, whether you know

(01:09:19):
what understand it or not, in a subtle way or
in a non subtle way. And I give you an example.
I when I first started utilizing AI, you know, I
would type in and I just use this as a
clear example, ancient Egyptian. I need an ancient Egyptian woman
walking down by the pyramids, and they would always come
out white. Okay, And I mean you would go, I'd

(01:09:42):
go to multiple sites and type this in and they
would come out white. Why would they come out white? Well,
the information they're drawing on is predominantly sources that keep
projecting the same bias, incorrect use of ancient egypt people
in culture. Well, the people that are creating these applications

(01:10:04):
have no vested interests in that in creating and telling
the true story. Right, So this is another reason why
we have to be involved in the technology and creating
it so we can put our product, our ideas, our
concepts to reality to the forefront. So the algorithms drawn
on information that is crucial and important and true and

(01:10:26):
represents us as opposed to this hype that's going on
where these stallacies are being perpetuated through the AI algorithms.
Because as AI grows in height and people start creating
new companies day after day, day after day, they're utilizing
a lot of the same information, and they're perpetuating the

(01:10:48):
same information. So the AI algorithm that I ask to
draw a picture of ancient Egyptian walking down by the
pyramids will keep coming out white or this kind of
non black, you know, kind of characters. And it did
it over and over again. Now here's the crazy thing, right,
Even if you talk to the so called white scholars,

(01:11:09):
they'll tell you, hey, man, you know ancient Egyptians. It'll
be like, relax, ancient Egyptians. The original intradiption was some
multi race kind of thing. Well, I'm like, all right,
well that ain't true. The foundation of ancients was not
multi race but let's say it. What was So then
we're the black people in these pictures you're supposed to
be drawing me. I've typed the question that fifty times

(01:11:30):
you keep coming up with white ancient Egyptians.

Speaker 10 (01:11:33):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:11:34):
So when you start seeing stuff like that, well, let.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Me shull me here for a second, brother, Obie, at
twenty seven minutes away from the top, there are we
have some exceptionally gifted, talented people in all kinds of businesses,
but they're not working for us. They're working for the
other folks. How can we convince them? Because you could
be over working for them too with your talent what
you're doing. But you decide to come and help us

(01:11:58):
and help help our community doing what you're doing with
AI and you know, delivering movies about for our people.
How do we convince those who are because I'm telling
you we we just probably don't know them, but you
know it comes out later in the wash it it
was a black person or a sister or a brother
did this. I'm talking about globally, But they're working for

(01:12:19):
the other folks. And this is on all levels, not
just in AI, but in banking and business and all
of that, How do we convince those folks to come
and give back or work for our community.

Speaker 8 (01:12:31):
Hey, that's a great question.

Speaker 7 (01:12:35):
You know. Part of it is.

Speaker 8 (01:12:41):
We have to be educated on it. We have to
educate ourselves, and we have to keep setting the example
and going out and doing things like creating spirits and
spaceship so that people start to see that there are
other possibilities, and these other possibilities aren't necessarily always easy
to do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:13:00):
First of all, there's a level of consciousness and commitment
that goes into doing what we're doing. And I'm not
patting ourselves on the back or anything like that, but
there's a level of wakefulness as far as everything that's
going on, and not everybody's there. Not all black people
are there yet, and many will not will not be there.

(01:13:26):
But that's a part of the foundation of it. I mean,
I did a spin at since I've been on the
West Coast. You know, I have a whole a family
out here, obviously, and we had Chipped. My wife and
I had children and our whole team holly girls. They're
growing up now. But I've done jobs. I took a
job for Google one time doing working with Google Maps,

(01:13:52):
and I went to Google and I was at powow
Alto Coupertino and that whole area and that whole complex
between uh LA and uh San Francisco area, and I worked,
was at the cafeteria and I saw the population and
I saw who was in there. With regards to was
where the black people. There is very hue, you know,

(01:14:13):
but there are. But but I'm sure those black folks
Virginia's are doing amazing things. And what's happening is these
people are are getting you know, getting paid to you know,
to uh to express this talent, being in AI, being
in technology, being in engineering, and there's always going to
be a challenge a lot of times when it comes

(01:14:34):
to bringing that talent back to us where it may
may matter, or giving it, you know, somewhere else where
you getting paid, get getting that checked. So every now
and then some people say, hey, man, you know you've
heard this before. Celebrities need to support, and there was

(01:14:56):
there's no celebrity support on some creative projects. I remember
when Spike he was doing X, he was able to
generate celebrity of support to get his product and its
projects done. But that's not always easy because you think, hey, man,
we got enough billionaires, enough millionaires to be able to
get these products off the ground and back the distribution,
get our distribution done so that people can see our product,

(01:15:21):
and so that the artists and or the creators can
feed their families. So, you know, there's always that dilemma,
But at the core of it is a consciousness.

Speaker 7 (01:15:32):
I think that.

Speaker 8 (01:15:33):
So no matter how you journey in life, you've got
to take a job here, take a job there. In
the back of your mind, on the forefront of your mind,
you're always thinking about how you can give back and
create and uplift through whatever technology that you're using.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Right then, we've got to step aside for a few
moments and check the news. Well we come back though,
question let me put the question this way, man, do
you think conscious brothers and sisters will get hired by
stay with your production Hollywood? Do you think Hollywood would
hire a conscious brother or sister? I'll let you explain that.
When we get back, we gotta check the news, trafficking
weather out of different cities. It's twenty three minutes away

(01:16:10):
from the top of our family. I guessed his brother
Obi Holly, he's an AI producer along with brother Seng
Goo by A talking about producing films for us. What
are your thoughts? Eight hundred and four five zero seventy
eight seventy six gets you in and we'll take your
phone calls after the news that's next and Grand Rising family,
thanks for starting your day with us at fifteen minutes
away from the top of the eye with our guest
that Garvey I, brother Sean goo by A and brother

(01:16:32):
Obi Holly. He's an AI producer works out in Hollywood
and he makes movies for us. Before we go back
to them, let me just remind you coming up later
this morning, we're gonna speak with the Pan Africanist and
critical thinking scholar, doctor David Horn. And later this week
you're gonna hear from GRIO professor James Small, also a nidrepatic.
Doctor Scott Whittaker is going to be here. So if
you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your ready

(01:16:52):
locked in tight on ten ten wolb or for in
the DMV run fourteen fifty wol All right, brother Obi,
you finish your thought and then brothers say and go.
I'll let you respond to it as well.

Speaker 8 (01:17:05):
Right, you asked the questions that does Hollywood want conscious brothers. Yeah,
how do.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Conscious brothers and sists get involved? Do you think they'll
hire a conscious brother insistent?

Speaker 8 (01:17:17):
I mean, you know, if you walk around with your
consciousness on your sleeve, you ain't getting paid through Hollywood
unless Hollywood finds some way to get paid through you.
They're not running to collect people with a certain kind
of cognuans that doesn't make them any money. In their mind,
they don't necessarily want to tell those stories off the top,
not at all. However, back on the distribution things, and

(01:17:43):
I'm gonna try to say these real quick AI tools
that are in existence right now are neither good nor
bad necessarily, it depends on how to utilize them. What
you're gonna see and in their future is these AI
tools are going to be our new distribution platform. And
they're gonna because they're growing so quickly, and i mean

(01:18:05):
I'm talking about far faster than exponential growth, These tools
themselves are going to be the platforms. So we as
black people, got to create these tools.

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
We create, these.

Speaker 8 (01:18:15):
Tools will be in the distribution sheet number. Netflix started off,
as you know, you mail in some money and then
they send you a VHS or a DVD back in
the day, and now it's morphed into a major distribution platform.
But because it's on the Internet, you two can have
a major distribution platform. And so AI is actually going

(01:18:40):
to make it easier for you to have your own
distribution platform if that's what you choose to do the Internet.
Never before in history has there been an opportunity. You know,
distribution has always been in the thing you always back
in the day, you know, you had to have a
relationship with satellite, you had to have a relationship if

(01:19:01):
you were in music with all the record stores, et cetera,
et cetera. A number four in history has it been
potentially easy as easy it is as it is today.
Not that it's easy, but it's never been as easy
to today get on a You can use AI to
create a website that's a distribution platform. Now you don't

(01:19:21):
have no followers yet, Now you got to figure out
how to fumbel them to your website, which black folks
have been geniuses at figuring out how to get distribution.
Right there in DC, you got the legend Holly Grima
when he dropped his film stan Kopa back in the
eighties nineties, Right I mean, he went church to church

(01:19:42):
to tell the story and he created his own distribution
outlet in order to get those stories out. Now, they
might not have made one hundred million dollars in the
first couple of years, but believe it or not, not
right now, with the distribution possibilities of the the Internet,
of creating your own Netflix and creating your own getting

(01:20:04):
together with some people of like mine, and creating outlets,
you can actually create these networks. Like I said, Isaac
Hayes's son has one creator called fan Base, which is
a social media platform. Facebook is a distribution platform. It's
just distributing conversations and stuff like that. And for a minute,

(01:20:25):
Facebook was distributing you know, video content.

Speaker 7 (01:20:28):
Well.

Speaker 8 (01:20:29):
Fan Base, Isaac Hayes's son's company, is a social media
platform where you know, artists can go about distributing their songs,
their music, video clips, et cetera. So it all depends
on just how the type of programming that you want
to distribute and also having the patience to put together

(01:20:50):
the money to put together the financial models to get
those things out there. Like you said yourself, Miss Carter,
you have the talent, but it's now it's a matter
of utilizing that talent, combined with our expertise and our
understanding of some of these new tools in order to
get those images and ideas out there. And that absolutely

(01:21:11):
is very important. At the end of the day, you
cannot tell your story the way you want it to
be told by going through people who have who don't
have your interest at heart, in no type of way.
And we keep seeing that that being told over and
over and over and over and over again.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Brothers.

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
Yeah, Obi, I'm just listening to Obi. I'm just so
happy to hear him articulate how important it is for
us who are conscious. I want to stress that everybody
ain't conscious. Everybody ain't gonna get it at the same time,
but those of us that are conscious utilizing our creativity,

(01:21:51):
our skills, our challenge to build what we need.

Speaker 7 (01:21:55):
To go forward.

Speaker 6 (01:21:57):
I know our ancestors, and please, brother Obie, with what
you're call I don't have too much more to add
with the time other than just just let Obi continue
to let people know how they can get his book.
I did want Obi to mention a little bit about
I know you don't gonna go too into it. That's
a whole nother show about the Hollygirls and the great
work that him and his queen are doing have been

(01:22:20):
doing creative wise, not just with AI a period, and
I know they're gonna be here in DC with us.

Speaker 7 (01:22:27):
I'm sure.

Speaker 6 (01:22:28):
I hope you coming this year.

Speaker 7 (01:22:29):
Obi.

Speaker 6 (01:22:30):
I know you can do a lot of stuff technologically
from coast to coast, but I hope you're coming physically
doing Quansa this year. And they talk a little bit
about how people can get back with him, contact with
his company, contact with the work, how people can be supportive.
That to me is very important because it's not just
about hearing about positive things, it's about getting involved with

(01:22:52):
positive things. So I'll stop on that point call. And
that's why I say state of the race, because sometimes
we always look at the state of the dooming, gloom
and doom, but we need to look at the state
of the rates as on high going forward. And that's
why I wanted Obie to come on to talk about AI,
because I know Obi is in French ancestral intelligence as

(01:23:15):
well as he's working and using artificial intelligence to push
us forward.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Me brother Obi, they said, Manes waving to any other
brothers and sisters in Hollywood doing what you're.

Speaker 11 (01:23:26):
Doing did you know of Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (01:23:31):
Absolutely. I mean there's a lot of conscious brothers and
sesses uh. And I'm not I'm not a judgement where
someone's level of consciousness is, but people that I would
perceive as being conscious brothers. There's a there's an organization
that we work with, African Artists Association, the Three A's,
which is pushing just the game forward in terms of

(01:23:51):
just being in production and being of African descent in Hollywood.
And they're an excellent organization and they bring people from
all over the diaspora together to work on productions, not
just AI productions, but I mean all kind of productions, uh,
film productions, documentaries, stories about Africa, things that you've never, never,

(01:24:12):
never seen before. And they bring in the best people
into to have meetings and discussions about these kinds of things.
So they're they're a wonderful organization that we we we
work with from time to time throughout the year that
I definitely want to shout them out, but also wanted
to say uh. And my wife pointed this out to me,
she should, you know, everybody has a different role, everybody

(01:24:35):
has a different has a destiny. You're going to have
some people that are consciousness oriented who work inside the
system and bring in that good intel back to us
so that we can up our game.

Speaker 7 (01:24:45):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:24:46):
But then you have some people that work inside the
system and they bringing in the intel, their consciousness level
is maybe not not not there yet and that's not
their destiny. But then there's some people who work outside
of these different systems, and you know, they're piece of
stuff together on the grassroot with consciousness and building new concepts,
the new constructs to try to move move, move the

(01:25:08):
game forward. So that's definitely happening. And you know what
role you play, You know, hopefully ultimately you know, you
never know necessarily what somebody has in their hearts. Sometimes
you see a movie, you see a production, you know
what did long game is? You might see this short game,
but you never.

Speaker 7 (01:25:25):
Know what did long game is?

Speaker 8 (01:25:27):
And I'm always I'm pleasant.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
I got a quick question for you, though, brother Obie.
The movies that you do, the people in your field,
the do movies using AI aut of field intelligence, Well,
will the viewer, like myself or people listening right now,
we take a look at it, will we tell can
we tell difference that this was a traditional movie with
a set grips and you know, be able dressed up

(01:25:52):
and yeah, could we tell the difference.

Speaker 8 (01:25:56):
Yeah, well, well the stuff that we're doing. Last year,
when we first did the first Spirits and Shape Spaceships,
because of where AI technology was as far as video
generating I means generating videos from typing in different prompts
and generating different angles, right, it was when we showed
that people's people were blown away by it, it looked

(01:26:17):
more animation than it did video. I mean then it
did actual film, right, but it was still cool. I mean,
you know, some of the best movies that people enjoyed
our animation movies.

Speaker 7 (01:26:29):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:26:29):
This year we up the level because AI video generation
picture generation has grown so fast and so quick that
it still looks had an animation look, but that's kind
of the look that we were going for, right, So,
and but it was it was even more more amazing.
And what's happening is we're kind of taking people not

(01:26:50):
just on the evolution of the series Spirits and Spaceships
as we do each episode, we're taking people in the
evolution of the progress of video generating AI technology as well.
So next year it'll be crazier and yeah, that it
will be even crazier what I realized when we realize
even making the book AI and Black People, the most

(01:27:12):
challenging part is the fact that the technology is changing
so fast and being upgraded so quickly. Sometimes it's hard
to keep up. And this year, just in the last
three months, I've had the upgrade parts of the book.
I've had up great parts of our Spiritual Spaceship Show
just to keep up with the time. And right now,
there are videos out there, especially created by programs like

(01:27:34):
Store two, just generic granet, very videos on Instagram that
look absolutely real, they like social media clips and people
just walking down the street, but they're not. So that's
an interact. We'll talk about that. I talk about that
in the book, but that's another interesting thing. We definitely
need to talk about the positives and negatives of that.
But right now, let me just say this real quick,
based on another thing that Singor said, I got to

(01:27:58):
do a special shout out to my business partner, uh
Carlaminica cheps To Holly is the CEO of het Rod.
That's our company that that does spirits and spaceships, the
AI productions, but like I said, we also do traditional
productions and the Holly Girls this year are going who
are our daughters. They also have their own company of

(01:28:19):
their own brand. They do traditional movies, they do songs, music, fashion.

Speaker 5 (01:28:24):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:28:24):
This year they'll be and Holly Girls is with a
Z so you can look them up on Instagram as well.
H O L L Y G I R l Z.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Yeah, right there, brother Obi, hold onu thort right there,
Step aside real quick. I'm taking another look at the
traffic and weather in a different cities. I'll let you
finish that story when you come back. And also I
want to ask you too, are you going to enter
some of your movies into the Pan African Film Professional
out in LA because that's out there too and that
will get you some more exposure three minutes away from
the top of day our family. If you're just checking in,
I guess his brother Obi Holly he's an AI producers

(01:28:56):
making movies using AI and also brother sing go by
as with us and you know him as a Garveyite.
You want to join this conversation, hit us up at
eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll
ticket calls after the trafficking weather together. That's next and
grind Rising family. Thanks for staying with us on this
Tuesday morning. Here the momentary, we're going to speak with
Pan africanists and critical thinking scholar, doctor David Horn right

(01:29:18):
now with brother Seingo bay A, he's a Garveyite, and
also brother Ob Holly. He's an AI producer. He's making
movies for us about us, and he's but he's using
AI artificial intelligence. And my question to him is his
productions are they ready to go to say the Pan
African film Fester in La or the Black Filmfesteral takes
place in Miami Beach. And the second question is brother

(01:29:40):
Obi shot. They have a separate category for traditional films
and for AI generated films.

Speaker 8 (01:29:49):
Yeah, well, as far as the categories go. I think
what's happening is as the technology moves forward, there's going
to have to be Right now, they have all kinds
of AI film festivals that have been popping up over
the last year, and they've been growing as the technology
have been growing. So you can just go online and
type in Google or whatever platform and type in AI

(01:30:11):
film festivals and and but as the technology grows, more
and more film festivals are starting to include and talk
about AI film screenings and stuff, and of course, like
you said earlier, there's definitely concerns about acting, lighting, all
those kinds of issues that are that that are that
are a major concern right now in the industry.

Speaker 5 (01:30:32):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:30:33):
And there are even regulations that are being put in
place from everything from music production to film production and
other productions, you know, to secure jobs and try to
regulate some things. We'll see, We're too early in the
game to know how these things are going to all
work out right now, but definitely AI film festivals, what

(01:30:53):
we're doing, we will be expanding to all kinds of
film festivals like that. We love that film festival in
La every every year. But what we're doing right now,
we've been doing screenings kind of like exclusive private screenings
to kind of get the work going about Spears and Spaceships,

(01:31:14):
which is our flagship AI production. But we have other
AI productions, and we have other traditional productions as well
that are non AI productions that we that we are
involved and haven't been involved in. But our flagship ship
AI production, Spirits and Spaceships, and we're doing screenings and

(01:31:35):
like we did on Friday about a single day was
a part of but we're also to be doing some
school screenings at different black schools across the country. And
so if you want to find out more about about
those kinds of things, you want one at your school,
go on to AI and black people dot com and
you can register your information on there, and there's a

(01:31:57):
little paragraph about Spirits and Spaceships also stuff about the book,
and we'll follow up with you as far as showing
this particular episode which is actually the second episode of
Spirits Spaceships the series. This Kwanza on we have the
Ujima Joint and Ujima Joint is our ku Kwanza celebration

(01:32:19):
which we've been doing for over thirty years on December
the twenty eighth in Washington, d C. And but last
year for folks that came out, we actually showed episode
one of the Spirits and Spaceships at the event to
an amazing applause. But we also did a torch passing

(01:32:39):
to the youth or younger people to uh for this
particular Quantita event. Like like I said before, we've been
doing it for thirty years. But our our children grew
up in it, and other children are see soul her
children grew up in it. Who's our our kwansa partner,
and so this year we're passing the torch and we're
talking about pop Nativity with the youth so that they

(01:33:01):
can fearhead that particular production. The worthy event is going
to be on December to twenty eighth, twenty twenty five.
I don't know the address yet, but it will be
on uh, it will be on the Internet, it will
be on the quans of Calendar, it will be available
in the and it'll be it'll be it'll be everywhere,
and maybe we'll get back on here and and talk

(01:33:24):
about it like we did last year.

Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
All right, yeah, let's do that for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
But let me ask youself, if you even considered like
getting it on one of these other platforms that you know,
not this Netflix or b et or TV one or
something like that, if you approach them about counting the.

Speaker 8 (01:33:39):
Series, Oh no, no, we we're we're definitely looking at
a lot of different operas because I mean, like, these
stories are big, they're amazing, and they are not everybody's
you know, they're black or fundamentally in terms of characters.
But the idea of good versus evil, the idea truggle

(01:34:00):
uplist of listing yourselves all these kinds of things. I mean,
these are international stories that anybody can relate to. And yes,
these platforms already tell similar stories, they don't tell nothing
as unique as this. I have to put ourselves on
the back. But absolutely we're definitely looking.

Speaker 7 (01:34:18):
At them.

Speaker 9 (01:34:20):
For potential.

Speaker 8 (01:34:21):
But we're not We're not We're not looking at any
platform right now as verification. We've already we're already verified
and and our audiences has already verified the production. But
also not just spirits and Spaces, we have other AI
content that we're looking at for distribution as well. So

(01:34:42):
but ultimately, ultimately we're we're going to be Ultimately, Ultimately,
we as as black people have to distribute our own
content and.

Speaker 9 (01:34:53):
Media.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Yes twice on that one. Before I let you fellas go, though,
I want you to say hi to dot. David Horney's
going to take the baton from you, guys. Brother got
doctor Horne with us, Grand rising Doctor Horn.

Speaker 7 (01:35:08):
Good morning to everybody, and uh single, oh yeah, I'll
be talking to you a little earlier today. But the
brother needs to keep on pushing the whole idea uh
of uh the film festival. That kind of communication is crucial.

Speaker 6 (01:35:29):
So David David. Good morning, David, good morning. When we
held the convention out in l A, you.

Speaker 7 (01:35:37):
Met brother Obi and his wife.

Speaker 5 (01:35:40):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:35:42):
Brother Obi Obie is a gigantic creative artist. I like
to call him one of the one of the most
powerful blacktistity poets on the planet. He didn't talk about that.
He didn't talk too much about his powerful daughters, his
poor daughters that are doing the Holly girls, uh, that
are doing great work at his queen. However, he will

(01:36:03):
be back with us. But I just wanted to say
hello to you, David, and I wanted to bring Little
Africa La on you. Both are in LA right now
and reopen. But but but but the water don't separate us.
But I also want to put a plug in call
before I go real quickly. Everybody should know how to
get with me.

Speaker 10 (01:36:21):
S N G.

Speaker 6 (01:36:22):
H O R B at hotmail dot com. I can
put you in touch with everybody that I talked about
this morning. But I also want to put a plug
in David for you your culture. David, and let y'all go.
And that is Chief J told me to tell everybody
that you can get his hard copy book now on
Amazon and its calls Gula sovereignty and it's very important.

(01:36:45):
I mean, I told everybody how they could get it online.
I got a copy, but you can get the hard
copy now at Amazon. And I say that because Call
may not know, but David, you want to have powerful
Gulla brothers that come from down in Florida area.

Speaker 7 (01:37:02):
So that's right, that's right for all that know.

Speaker 6 (01:37:06):
Gula is very important to all black people in North
America though, so it's important for people to check out
that Galla sovereignty so you can see the connection of
Africa and the North America where it relates to African culture.
And I know, David, you're gonna light us up with
what's going on with these crazy yurugu and all this
crazy stuff going on.

Speaker 11 (01:37:25):
I know.

Speaker 7 (01:37:27):
This up.

Speaker 6 (01:37:28):
But Caaul, thank you, call so much, Obi, thank you
so much. I want people to understand we need our
own Project twenty twenty five to move forward so we
can survive this your Pugu twenty twenty five manifesting this
year because it ain't stopping. It's gonna keep going and
we got to deal with it. And I know doctor
Horne is gonna tell give us ways and means of

(01:37:48):
how we can create our own black print that we
don't have going forward. Gody lives. Thank you called Gody lives.
God We lives.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
Thank you brother, Thank you brother. Be all right family
before you go real quick, brother Obi. People want to
know where they find your book. How can get a
complies of your book?

Speaker 7 (01:38:08):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:38:08):
Yes, h AI and Black people dot Com?

Speaker 4 (01:38:13):
Okay cool AI? Yeah, black people dot Com?

Speaker 7 (01:38:17):
And keep all right brother.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
That's brother, brother Obi Holly. He's a movie producer. He
uses AI. You know, if he's using the talents that
he has and using the new technology of Hey, you
don't need you know, set the designer. You don't need
a wardrobe person, a makeup person, a grip, a sound
guy lighting, all of that kind of stuff. You can
just use AI and make movies. That's what we're doing
and making movies.

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
First.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
I just want to thank you, brother Obie, and hopefully
we inspire some more people who are listening this morning
to get in the game as well. We need more
of us to tell our stories. Thank you, brother Obi,
and thank you brother saying God for joind us this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
Twelve minutes.

Speaker 8 (01:38:52):
Just also one point out that we definitely do additional
productions as well, and.

Speaker 7 (01:39:00):
I wish we had time to talk about centers before
you got off, but I know you gotta go. Oh centers.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
Okay, next time we'll talk about sentners. Okay, okay, all right,
thank you brother, oh b thank you, brother saying twelve
after top of the family. I guess it's doctor David Horn.
Doctor Horn's a Pan Africanist, as you heard, he's also
a critical thinking scholar. He taught that in college, told
people to become critical thinkers. And that's what we're trying

(01:39:28):
to do every day here, trying to make people think
for themselves. You know, when we say free your mind,
that what he means, think for yourself, becoming critical thinkers.
But doctor Horn, you say, now this is the time
for us to create our own black agenda. You say
we should use it messing the new energy of the
younger generation with the experience of the elders.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
Can you explain that for us?

Speaker 7 (01:39:49):
Yeah? I can. The issue is simply that what we
have been able to establish at black folk here now, uh,
in terms of gaining integrity, gaining recognition, gaining landed Uh, progress,

(01:40:12):
that's in danger.

Speaker 5 (01:40:13):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:40:14):
You know you have.

Speaker 7 (01:40:16):
Somebody who's in charge of the government now who reminds
people of Uh, the Confederates who took charge of the
South and caused the Civil War.

Speaker 9 (01:40:31):
UH.

Speaker 7 (01:40:32):
The you know, looking at at what had been done
to the black community during the uh, this particular administration,
even though we are not even a full year in
it yet. The uh you know, the over three hundred
thousand black federal workers being dismissed, being fired, you know,

(01:40:55):
the serious attack on black museums, on the since Smithsonian,
on the African American Museum, cultural all the cultural production
that black folk have done in this country. Uh, the
attack on public education and what we have contributed to

(01:41:18):
the history of this country, the growth and development of
this country. All of that's in danger now. So the
youth are going to have to come up with another
game plan to respond to the to this new danger.
If there is no new plan, what we have been

(01:41:41):
doing for the last three hundred years kind of goes
in their toilet, because you have the you know, the
taking charge of the government by people who don't seem
to care about law, They don't seem to care about spiritualities.
They only care about power, the only care about I'm

(01:42:03):
in charge. I'm going to force onto you whatever I
want to. A young folk are going to have to
come up with a different plan, a plan for uh,
you know, which may include AI, which may include a
whole lot of new stuff. But they're going to have
to come up with a new plan for what black

(01:42:26):
folk have to have if we're going to spend this country.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
Thank you that part Dr Horn about him. If we
stay in this country because some folks want to cut
and run, are you opposed to that or do you
think we should stay in fight?

Speaker 7 (01:42:39):
Oh, I'm not opposed to that at all. I'm not
and I'm not saying cut and run. I wouldn't put
it that way. I think because we have gained a
lot of wisdom and a lot of experience and what
we've had to deal with in this hellhole called America,

(01:43:03):
that we need to expand our options. What I'm what
I'm advocating is that we need to get dual citizenships
in other places in the world. In other words, we
need to have a place to go if things get

(01:43:24):
too crazy over here, if the Ice starts attacking Black
folks like they are attacking Latinos, you know, we need
to have another place to go. And so, yeah, we
I'm advocating African citizenships for anybody interested in having another

(01:43:49):
place to go. Ghana is a good place. You know.
They have a very good program for dual citizenships here
early on to uh.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
Yeah and hold doc, I just looked looked at the cocky.
We got to take a break at seventeen after the top.
Day'll let you finish your thought when we get back.
You want to join our discussion with doctor David Horn,
reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we took all
these phone calls. Next and grant rising family, and thanks
for staying with us on this Tuesday morning, twenty one

(01:44:25):
minutes after the top of the hour with that guest
that doctor David Horn. As I mentioned, doctor Horne is
at Panapricus and a critical thinking scholar. He taught critical
thinking and college. This is something that we we implore
folks to do on this program to be critical thinkers.
You think for yourself, free your mind, is what we say,
and that's what that means. Think for yourself. And this
is what doctor doctor Horn teaches or taught in the

(01:44:46):
collegiate level. Doctor Horn, you've given us some ideas for
folks who you know because she says that things get crazy.
Every time we think it can get crazy, it goes
to another level. You know, you think, wow, is it
this is we stave haven't been a full year yet
with this is administration.

Speaker 7 (01:45:00):
But you're saying for the films who they had a plan.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
Right, But well, I understand that all that plan is
almost twenty twenty five. Project twenty twenty five. Well, all
the the homemarks of that plane were just about completing,
so they've got to take it to the next level.
So we will wait and see what whatever that is.
Because obviously they've succeeded in what they said they were
going to do, So what's the next level? So most
of us who've seen that when falling, what's going on

(01:45:25):
a waiting for what's the next step because, as we
mentioned Project twenty twenty five outline, they told us what
they're going to do, and they've accomplished most of it,
at least ninety percent of what they're going to do,
So let's see what's what's the next level. But you're
saying that for us folks, for folks who want to
stay here, though we should, we should also have a plan, correct,
we must.

Speaker 7 (01:45:43):
We must have a plan. Yeah, we we we we
need to lay out exactly what we need to be
successful and productive and if we want to call that happy,
we must have our plans for our development for us.

(01:46:08):
We cannot depend on other people to take care of us.
We cannot depend on people who are not us to
be mindful of us. Yeah. And so what I'm advocating
is wherever forward thinking African people live in this country,

(01:46:34):
we need to be having think tanks. We need to
have a series of sessions where folk who understand the
necessity of laying out a plan to move forward have
to get together and work that out, not get together

(01:46:55):
and call each other a bunch of names. Not crazy.
This is now the time to lay out plans to
move forward. So, yeah, I'm advocating that. We Let me
give you an example in California. You know, we still
have a number of folks who are advocating reparations as
we do another part of the country. And that's great,

(01:47:18):
but right now that's not on the table for the
people who are in charge of state government. They have
talked a little about it, they've shown some interest, and
now they've moved on. If reparations are still part of
our agenda still part of our plan for the future.

(01:47:41):
We need to lay out there's steps in that plan
because nobody else is paying attention. In spite of all
that we have were in California, the study, you know,
the legislative interest. We have not gotten it and it's
not going to come unless we we African folk, sit down,

(01:48:04):
parley we not. We need to sit down, respect each
other and lay out some plans. Not argue and call
it judge of a bunch of names. We need to
plan to move forward. Yeah, that's what i'mnavigating.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
Well, you know, the plans for reparation as have they've
fallen by the wayside. They waned a little bit because
of what's going on in the country right now.

Speaker 7 (01:48:26):
They have waned because we got stale. We got stale
and what we were asking, we've been focused on white people.
You did us wrong. You have to admit that you
did us wrong and and and show us some digest.
You have to show us some kind of payment, some

(01:48:48):
kind of result of your feeling sorry. In other words,
set up a commission to study who was and was
not a slave and where they're am sisters, where they're
where their family members now live. So they can be compensated.
We need you to do that. Well, white people have

(01:49:09):
decided no, we're not going to do that, so do
we And since we don't have any plans to make
them do it, we need to come up with some
alternative plans that we are going to be successful. And
we have not done that in California yet. We are
still attacking black legislators who cannot get passed what we

(01:49:36):
think needs to be passed. So you got black folks
from the community going to the state capital, basically grabbing
state legislators, black state legislators, buy their coat, their coat,
arms and stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:49:55):
And.

Speaker 7 (01:49:57):
Basically fussing at them, attacking them, calling a lot of
their names because they were unsuccessful in getting the other
white legislators and the governor to give us what we
said we wanted. It didn't happen last year, it did
not happen this year. It's not going to happen next

(01:50:18):
year unless we change our plan. We need to have
a plan to move forward, and we don't really have that.
Too much action out left planning twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
Eight After top that with doctor David Horn, Doctor Horne
is telling us we need a plan family. We just
don't have a plan. We're just floating through life without
a plan. Other folks, they always have a plan, and
we're part of their planning, so they stay on colder.
That's what Neelie Fuller's been teaching.

Speaker 10 (01:50:42):
Us to do.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
Eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six.
John is calling from DC as a question for doctor
Hornet's on line one Grand Rising Johnny on with doctor
horn Hey.

Speaker 7 (01:50:53):
Brother, are you doing the Grand Rising? Brother? Uh ra rising?

Speaker 9 (01:50:58):
Gear? I want I want to make a comment and
ask you, how do you feel the number one organizing
principle of any society is for war. The authority of
the state over its people resides in its war power policies. Now,

(01:51:19):
it's been an ongoing controversial conversation on this show. Should
our young people or people in general, go into the
military as they're moving these troops right now, as we're
speaking into Venezeuela planning an unjust war to take these

(01:51:42):
people's oil, What say you, sir, to our young people,
about participating in this genocidal war they're planning in this
military unjustly? What do you say that's it.

Speaker 8 (01:52:00):
Won?

Speaker 7 (01:52:01):
The participation in the seizing of anybody else's property we
need to stay away from. But joining your military is
a quality job, quality employment. So we don't want to

(01:52:22):
tell our youth not to take good jobs. But I
agree with you that the leadership of the American military
is incompetent. It's crazy, I mean, except should not be
in charge of anybody's military. The issue that you were
raising about Venezuela, that goes back to the Monroe Doctrine,

(01:52:46):
already back to eighteen twenty three when it was decided
by the American president at the time that South America,
Central America, the Caribbean islands, they belong to this country,
you know, because we are bigger and stronger than anybody else.
We are in charge and we can come to any

(01:53:09):
of your areas and take what we want from you.
That's been part and part of the American government since
the nineteenth century. Most presidents have not enforced that idea,
although it was always understood. The president we have now
because you have to know how to be president is shaking.

(01:53:30):
During that jinguistic shaking, what we called sword rattling, you're
doing that again talking about I'm stronger than you, so
I'll take what i want. I'll push you around. They
are murdering people. They're not having in their trials. They're
not deciding that we have real evidence against you as

(01:53:53):
a drug trafficker. We're just blowing people up out of
the water so that we can and didn't lead that
to try an attempted to takeover of a country that
we believe we own. Anyway, America owned everything here. That's
what the Monroe Doctrine said. In terms of young people

(01:54:19):
joining a military, which may order them to go and
seize other people's property. Uh, now, I'm not in favor
of that at all. But I am in favor of
young people getting jobs, and the military is a very
decent job.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Got you, Thanks John, Thanks your call. But you know,
doctor Horne, going back to some of the other you know,
save Vietnam for example, and I think that we swear
John was going with this question where our people, our
brothers at the time, we'll put on the front line,
and we.

Speaker 7 (01:54:58):
Took them and Dad very very quickly, you know, seconds
from getting to out of the boat. If you got
out of the boat, we were killed. Yeah. That and
I don't remember Vietnam. I was supposed to be going
to Vietnam, and I refused to go.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
Yeah, but some of these younger folks don't know what
happened in Vietnam. There's a whole you know. They joined
the military. Kevin is one of them, and they had
they had a good time, they weren't. You know, Kevin,
you can chine in if you want. He went into
the Navy. But it was a different era then, you know,
from the folks. I remember Vietnam as well.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
People.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
Look, I remember in peace driving around my neighborhood looking
for folks. Some brothers who had got out and disappeared,
and the brothers who came back, every single one of
them seemed to have some sort of problem, emotional problem,
you know, that physical problem and an agent orange and

(01:56:01):
all that was was taking place. So I think it's
it's it's it's a generational thing whether or not you
should join the military. Because you said, you mentioned there
was there was there's great things or great advantages when
he joined the military. But at one time, correct me
if I'm wrong though, that when our folks went joined
the military, when they got back, the GI bill was
they didn't get the rewards of the GI build and
the Whites Builtic folks got the rewards of the GI Bill.

Speaker 4 (01:56:24):
Do you have any information about that?

Speaker 7 (01:56:26):
And now you're quite right. The even though the GI
Bill was supposed to cover any American who has served,
for the most part, people who had to implement the
GI Bill were like the same people who were implementing
insurance policies and building policies and different parts of the

(01:56:49):
country there racious attal. So a lot of folks who
were veterans, were black veterans, did not get a chance
to enjoy, you know, the GI Bill, you know, get
money to go to college, get money to buy a house,
get money to provide for a family. Again, that was

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not because the legislation was not there. That was not
because it was not in the plan. It was because
of the people who were implementing they were racist. And yeah,
we did not get a lot of what we were
supposed to have gotten. And I would imagine since being
in the military means that you have to follow the

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orders of somebody else, that we will not get everything
that we need for our own development by joining the
American military. But again it is a decent job.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
Well, I got a tweet for you at twenty six
away from the Top down two that says Marco Rubio
is leading this charge. He has known that Trump has
been trying to build resorts in Cuba and Venezuela for years.
And the answer is always know and that person it's
the answer is not to join them, not to get
involved in the fight. If the troops are sent to Venezuela,
troops on the ground, that is because he's saying that

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we've got warships in the Caribrian surrounding there. Trend down
Tobago is giving them an okay to have their worships there.
So for some people say no, so so who are
the people are saying yes, Uh, the.

Speaker 7 (01:58:24):
The people who basically are agreeing with part of what
I said about. Look, joining your military is a job.
It has a lot of developmental steps. You do have
to follow somebody else's order, but it is good for
you know, the rewards that come out of it in

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terms of building a family, that kind of thing. I'm
not a military person, but and when they give you
an order which is against your principles, you have to
be able to step back and say I'm not doing that.
But you know that's very hard to do. You know,

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once you are in the military, it's a diceary situation.
It is a come see, comes out kind of thing.
It's not. There is no definitive answer anybody can give
you for you should join the military or you should
not join the military. There is no definitive answer.

Speaker 4 (01:59:27):
Yeah. And there's the stories too.

Speaker 1 (01:59:28):
Now they route into up immigrants on documented immigrants, and
there's a few who were promised the citizenship once they
joined the military and fought for this country one and
got a purple heart and got kicked out as the
country renegged on those promises. And those are the people
are supposed to be fighting for us. Your thoughts though,
that that's.

Speaker 7 (01:59:48):
Because we have leadership right now which does not respect
the military. You know, you have people who who never served.
Trump never served. He was a draft dodger. Uh, heakesleft,
you know. Basically the little he has done in the military,
he had an under damn bank. He he has been

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in almost an hour an hour two c kind of person.
The you you know, the military is right now being
led by non military people, and that is their problem
because they want to misuse the military. The military can
be a force for good, but in the hands of

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criminals and in the hands of wrongdoers, the military can
be misused, and this particular military in the United States
is right now the most powerful military in history. Does
not mean they cannot be defeated, but it has a
lot of weapons, more weapons than anybody else, including to

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show their union or China and China is close though.

Speaker 1 (02:01:00):
Hold that thought right there, doctor, We're gonna step aside
for a few moments and we talked about the military family.
I remember Geronimo Pratt. He went to Vietnap, learned how
how to fight, and came back and taught the brothers
in the streets how to fight.

Speaker 4 (02:01:11):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (02:01:11):
Reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six and we take your
phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling
with us on this Tuesday morning with our guest doctor
David Horn. Doctor Horne is a panafres and also a
critical thinking scholar. It taught that at the college level.
Before we go back to the elements, remind you coming
up in the next few days, we're going to speak
with Grio Professor James Small will be here. Also a

(02:01:33):
natural pathic doctor Scott Whitaker will join us. So if
you are in Baltimore. Make sure you keep your radar
locked in tight on ten ten w Olb or in
the DMV run fourteen fifty wl Dr Horne before we
take a coffee. I just wanted somebody tweeted in response
to that tweet who said that Donald Trump was trying
the Trump's administration's trying to build resorts in Venezuela and Cuba. Well,

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from a conversation with marcol Manham says, no, they want
the oil that's there. They want the minerals that are
in Venezuela, and it's it's only one place that they
can be refined to us by the Koch brothers. So
that's a connection there. They're really not you know, they're
talking about regime change. They're not talking about peace. You know,
it's covered with all that. So I want to get

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your thoughts on that.

Speaker 7 (02:02:17):
Well, I agree he had a little to do with peace.
This has to do with again, if people go back
and look at the Monroe Doctrine that was established in
this country by President Monroe in eighteen hundreds, you see

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this whole idea that America, United States is in charge
of the entire hemistry. You know, it's like that that
attitude that Trump had about this is not the Gulf
of Mexico. This is the Gulf of America. All of
this is American. We can do what we want with

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any area or any territory within our realm. This is
a continuation of that. This is not just about oil.
This is about control and dominance. It is the fatal
flaw of white people being in charge. If you look

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back at the history of so called Western civilization, for
every development forward, for every civilized development forward, education, religion, housing, infrastructure, etc.

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For every one of those developments that have been this
backward step, somebody had to be in charge of the
military and dominate. We have to take what we want,
We have to force people to do what we want,
and they end up killing everybody. The history of white
people for being in charge is death and destruction because

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eventually we are going to try to force people to
do what we want when we want them to do it.
And that's where we are right now. That's why we
need another option. We need to figure out what are
we going to do if they go If they go
crazy as we think they're going to go, they're going

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to do. It's not just about the aill in Venezuela.
This is just about American power. We can do what
we want with whoever we want, whenever we want to.
That's that logic, logical power.

Speaker 1 (02:04:38):
Fifteen away from the top of our Doctor Horn Johnny's
calling from Long Beach out in California is online one
grand Rising Johnny on with doctor Horns.

Speaker 12 (02:04:46):
Take take my call.

Speaker 6 (02:04:48):
Where is to you?

Speaker 11 (02:04:49):
Doctor?

Speaker 8 (02:04:49):
You know, doctor Horn?

Speaker 7 (02:04:50):
I am.

Speaker 8 (02:04:52):
Doctor Doctor Small was done last month and and uh
we this discussion was about as well U great.

Speaker 7 (02:05:00):
Brothers joining them?

Speaker 8 (02:05:01):
Can hear me?

Speaker 7 (02:05:03):
Yeah, I can give you a great a great scholar
and right.

Speaker 8 (02:05:06):
If doctor and he was talking about, you know, the people,
the young young men should join the military. And I
called in the next day and I got backlash, which
is fine. I had no problem with that. See, the
people don't know. They don't know. You know, it's really
funny when people don't know that the choices.

Speaker 6 (02:05:24):
Or or the.

Speaker 8 (02:05:27):
The the option is that people choose when they when
they do to do that. Okay, they don't know it,
just like you know all that I was seeking out
because I had already talked to veterans, you know, when
I was working this place, and there they were saying
it's like the opportunity that you can have after you
get out of the military, right, and and I took
and I took those off. I took that choice. And

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you know, you know, yeah, you know, I stood I
stood up when you were saying about the orders that
that you know that weren't right, you know, I about
the systems. I bought the system because it's like you know,
in the military, you know, it has to be you know,
a lawful order. It's not that you know, some some
person tell you to do something and you say, waiting, mane,
that's not right. You can challenge that. But there's a

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chain of command. I had so happy I bucked the
chain of the chain of command. I went straight to
the top because I know that along the way, along
the way, it's not gonna by the time it gets
to that person at the top, it's gonna be it's
gonna be distorted. So I challenged them.

Speaker 7 (02:06:27):
Yeah, and and and and you know it.

Speaker 8 (02:06:34):
Unfortunately, yeah, I got I didn't get kicked out. But
it's okay, you know, because the type of discharge that
I got is still allowed me to pursue my education. Okay,
you know, and and and and you know but but
it was something that was going on on the base
because we had a town hall, okay, and when people
came from DC and we talked, and it's like, and

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I was one of these people that spoke up. I
know I had a target on my back care because
I was doing the right thing. You know, actually understand
bro right, And it's like, you know, it's the same
thing when you come to the police. Should we join
the police force?

Speaker 6 (02:07:15):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (02:07:17):
Well, look, uh it's it's it is a job. But uh,
you the police are a bit different from the regular
military in that, you know, the action is right in
your face every day.

Speaker 11 (02:07:37):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (02:07:38):
And the police force in this country was established to
control black folk. It was not right established to control everybody,
just black folks. The military is a lot broader. But
the again, joining a police force is a job and
can be a very good job. That's that's some decent

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black policeman. That's some decent white policeman. It depends on
where you are, policeman. It depends on where you decide
to join that particular military. But again, what is your
aim once you join? Is it just to get paid?
Is it just to have one a uniform? Is it

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to increase your respect in the community. What is your
plan for joining either police force or regular military unit.
If you want to have a good entree to money
and to credit unions and to insurance after your service,

(02:08:44):
joining the military maybe a good idea for you. You
want to have a family, you want to you want
them to have some benefits if you want to if
you want to see the world, join your military may
be a good way to do that. You need to
have a plan, you know, don't get through it for
the hell of it.

Speaker 8 (02:09:03):
Well, and I had I had a plan. I had
a plan because actually, you know, it was a plan
that you know, I was looking out after after I
got out. Well, I can go to school, you know,
and get it there you go. But it like, and
that's what I did, you know. So But but you know,
I know sometimes you know, I know some people who
you know, I understand that they had feelings about well,

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you know, we shouldn't go serve and get a place.
That's that's you know, got their foot on our neck.
But the thing is, it was it was I was
doing it for me. I wasn't doing it for nobody else, right, all.

Speaker 1 (02:09:36):
Right, right, thanks Johnny. But doctor Horn is it. Well,
look at the police upon for for example, is it
Is it because some of the officer are more blue
than black of some of the black officers?

Speaker 4 (02:09:48):
Is that the case?

Speaker 7 (02:09:53):
The thing about police, and I mean you know, we
could have uh two or three or ten sessions just
on the police, black folk and the police. But the
police in the United States was established to help control
black folk. I mean they that's even the written history.

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They were set up to control black folk, to keep
us on a plantation of one sort or another. And
the way the police have developed all over this country,
they have focused on black people as criminals. Black people
are going to resist our attempt to control them, so

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we got to be ready to punish them and put
them in prison. Every police force in every jurisdiction in
this country does not adhere totally to that. But every
police force in this country it's part of that whole
history that it was established to control black folks. So

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you join a police force in a decent place, you
can maybe uh not get bowled over by that particular agenda,
but you will be touched by that agenda because that's
what police do.

Speaker 1 (02:11:18):
Got you ate away from the top of Dr Horn
andres calling from LA's online to Grand Rising Andre with
doctor Horn.

Speaker 8 (02:11:24):
Rising called Grand Rising, doctor Horn, I know we're running out,
brother doing I'm doing well. It's always good to hear
you and call together. You are so profound and you
have so much information this year by quick quickly. My
first question is, uh, we know that the military uh
has has has hesitations about occupying American cities. You know,

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that's uh against possi comatatis and all the rest. And
they were full to do it. That is absolutely right.
But Trump doesn't seem to care about any of that, unfortunately,
And but and especially after the embarrassment with headstaff or
whatever his name is rightly dealing with the military. Now,

(02:12:08):
my question is with all of this glorying ones, since
we appear to be acted.

Speaker 7 (02:12:12):
Like a third of like a unorganized owns a third
world country. But no, no, no, you're right now, No, no,
we we are acting like a third world country. The
government in this country. Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 8 (02:12:27):
So the question is, doctor Horn quickly one of two questions.
Number one is uh, do you think the military at
some point that this guy wants to be president for like,
actually has to take come out and restore orders because
he has the extreme court, he has the Senate, he
has the House, and he has this delusional executive order
agenda with Project twenty. Do you think that military may

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be in a position to just take over and re
establish some sort of normalcy of democracy? Again, the second
question is very quickly, you know, the time is short.
Isn't blowing up civilions of people in isn't he subject
to international U is not a war crime? International war
crime that he should be held accountable?

Speaker 7 (02:13:11):
And the World Court.

Speaker 8 (02:13:12):
I mean, these are as far as we know, innocent
fisherman from Venezuela in the Caribbean and attacking them. There
are so many desk by Now, what do you say
about those two questions? The US, Yes, sir, that's it.

Speaker 7 (02:13:28):
Okay, Let me let me take the second one first,
Richard Harder, the United States, there's not fear the World Court,
the United Nations, or any international entergy to to bring it,

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to bring it to court, or to bring it to
any kind of punishment. Because the United States believes it
has the greatest military in the world right now. They
don't think any other international body can tell them what

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to do. Uh they Again, you we're dealing with a
commander in chief who's basically ignorant. He has you know,
he has not studied history at all. He barely graduated.
It's alive when you start talking about he graduated from
ward and he did not. Uh. The we we we

(02:14:33):
we have a situation when you think you the baddest
on the planet and then you don't fear anybody. Nobody
can tell you, no, nobody can stop you if you've
decided to go left or right. That's unfortunate that the

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United States is in that position. There is no other
military on earth the United States fears, and there's no
international body that they care about. The you know, the
United States is not part of the international court. You know,
so there's no there's no uh a jewelry verdict that

(02:15:15):
can come out to punish the United States that we
will pay any attention to it. You know, yeah, you know, yeah,
the United States does not have to adhere to any
international body. It does whatever it wants, and that's unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (02:15:34):
Uh could that be just a lack of respect though,
doctor Horne, it's.

Speaker 7 (02:15:42):
Both a lack of respect and also at lack of
being being part of the international entities that have any
kind of cloud the in the United Nations, for example,
a body which America the United States helped to set up.

(02:16:03):
And you know you got you got you got uh
uh well over two hundred and uh and and and
fifty members of that body. The body cannot United Nations
cannot tell the United States what to do. They cannot
punish the United States. It cannot basically take anything from

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the United States. You can, you know, the the American
dollar is the sovereign currency of the world. You cannot
stop trading with the United States kind of thing. You
cannot stop the United States from making money. And whatever
you trade, whatever you do on your own right now,

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you should never have a bully who has no fear
of anybody else that.

Speaker 1 (02:16:54):
You how you thought right there, I'll let you finish
your thought back. Thanks and thanks. You called too many
away from the top step aside, so station find themselves
down the line. Eight hundred and four five zero seventy
eight seventy six week to doctor Horne, will take your
phone calls next and Grand Rising family, Thanks for staying
with us on this Tuesday Money with our guest, Doctor
David Horn. Doctor Horne is a pan afters and a

(02:17:15):
critical thinking scholar. As I mentioned, earlier, he taught critical
thinking in college and discussing now a plan, he says,
we need a plan?

Speaker 4 (02:17:22):
What are we going to do?

Speaker 1 (02:17:23):
But before I do that, I got a tweet question
for you, and I want to finish responding to Andrea's question.

Speaker 7 (02:17:31):
The second part of Andrea's question I forgot, but the
I'll talk to him off offline if you remember it,
I go ahead and answer.

Speaker 1 (02:17:43):
But I forgot what it was, you know, and I
wrote it down and I can't find it in my
notes here. But Andre, call back and give me the key.
But here's a question for you, though, Dr Horn. Coming
up next week or next month, in a few weeks,
it's going to have the G twenty meeting in South Africa.
President is in charge of that. Donald Trump is refusing

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to go, and he's supposed to go to have this
ceremonial handover because the United States is going to be
the next country in charge of the G twenty meeting. Uh,
how do you think that's going to work out? Is
this an insult to the twenty other nations that are
involved in this?

Speaker 7 (02:18:19):
Yeah, in the it is. It's an insult to South
Africa's the leadership of the of the body. It's the
first time an African country had been in charge of
the G twenty and but it's typical Trump.

Speaker 11 (02:18:35):
You know, he.

Speaker 7 (02:18:37):
Basically says that we in charge, we tell y'all what
to do. You don't tell us, you know, you all
of you coming big me for some kind of recognition.
Remember the way that he talked to President Ramaposa some

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South Africa whom he had invited to the White House.
He'd also invited these a group of crazy white folks
from South Africa who brought a a tape of some
incorrect information. They were making an argument that they were

(02:19:21):
being oppressed in South Africa, that the black majority was
oppressing the white minority and taking their land and putting them,
putting them in jail, that type of thing. And even
though President the President President Ramaposa tried to explain uh

(02:19:44):
to Trump and Hughes cabinet that that information was incorrect.
There's no oppression of white folks in South Africa. You know,
they're not trying to the black folks who are in
charge of the government are not trying to seize the
property of white people as they could because it's in

(02:20:06):
the constitution. It says that the black government in South
Africa can seize property from white people, but they have
not done it anyway. Rama Posta tried to explain to
Trump what you are seeing on the video is not
correct information. That's not what's happening. Trump wouldn't listen. He

(02:20:27):
wouldn't listen to the point that he has now designated
African um entry into this country starting next year to
be focused on white South Africans coming to the country
and getting almost entertained your citizenship. He had made that

(02:20:52):
order executive order that the white South Africans coming you
should be designated refugees from discrimination and they should be
given instant citizenship consideration. He's already made that decision foolishness

(02:21:12):
based on incorrect information. You know, but Trump doesn't read
a lot, and he does not get correct information even
from the people around him in his cabinet. As the
next head of the G twenty, and it may not occur.

(02:21:34):
If Trump is pure president, the G twenty can vote
to have another UH temporary president after around the Post's
term is up. I don't think that. I don't think
the G twenty people are going to vote for Trump
to come and be the G twenty head even for

(02:21:56):
a short time. I don't think they're going to do that.
I think another vote.

Speaker 1 (02:22:01):
We'll keep an eye on that as well. Also, some
white South advacans since that came out, I said, they're
not any distress in their country. They're not suffering, they're
not being you know, the black people are not victimizing them.
So they've rejected what what Trump and when.

Speaker 7 (02:22:18):
He won't listen to information, he only listens to what
he feels, right, is telling him?

Speaker 4 (02:22:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:22:27):
Exactly, Here's I got a tweet question for you, doctor Horne,
and tweeter says, what what? What are black people's What
is the black people plan? How are we going to
survive without leadership? They can call and draft. Our sons
and daughters are on the front line. Many of the
government workers fired with black women. Why are why are
we not organizing and trying to save ourselves?

Speaker 7 (02:22:48):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (02:22:49):
I guess it goes back to our original discussion about
the plan. We need a plan and also pointing outbout leadership.
Is there a vacuum leadership in the black community right now?

Speaker 7 (02:23:00):
Yeah, well there's no I wouldn't call it a vacuum leadership.
There's a different kind of leadership you know, while we
may have been we may have gotten used to singular
people like a Jesse Jackson and Martin Luther King. You know. Anyway,

(02:23:22):
while we may have gotten used to individual leaders like that,
getting getting in the newspaper, doing conferences, you know, and
doing the paperwork. We may have gotten used to that
in the past. We need to have a rethinking. We

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need to have a sit down discussions with each other
and decide on the leadership that we need for right now,
not the leadership we've had, but the new leadership for
the twenty first century. In every community where we have
of right folks living, they need to take it upon
themselves to have planning sessions with each other and lay

(02:24:08):
out here's what we need to do to move into
the future. Here's what we need to do for our
children and for our own survival and our own success.
We are the leaders leaders in the past or leaders
in the past. We need leadership, twenty first century leadership

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right now. Every place where we live.

Speaker 9 (02:24:31):
We need to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:24:34):
And these leads, the next cadre of leaders that where
are their ranks? Are these the leaders that we had,
say in the sixties, seventies, even the nineties, were they
cultivating where they're training other youngsters to pass the baton,
because many of them, doctor Harnt, frankly, just don't want
to give up the position. They're in, the pole position.
They've been there for the longest and they don't want to,

(02:24:56):
you know, turn it over to the young people. Younger people,
how do you see that.

Speaker 7 (02:25:00):
Well, old leadership or elder leadership is still valuable. It
can still provide advice and experience. But the elder leadership
was good for what we were going through up through
the nineteen nineties. For the twenty first century, African Americans

(02:25:27):
are going through different problems. Maybe they are extensions of
the old problems, but they are different. They look different,
they act different. We need younger folk who are much
more adapted, ai who were much more adapted the new
social vocabulary. We need them to step forward because they

(02:25:50):
can articulate what it is that's wrong and what we need,
what we have to have to move forward. Are great
for advice and for wisdom, and this is what worked before,
but we need new leadership for this particular time.

Speaker 1 (02:26:12):
Gotcha in that minutes at the top there, Doctor Horne,
Carl's calling us from northern Virginia is online. One Grand Rising,
Carl your question.

Speaker 7 (02:26:19):
For doctor Horn Grand Rising, and thank you so much
for my call.

Speaker 8 (02:26:24):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 7 (02:26:26):
Yeah? Hey brother, how you doing?

Speaker 12 (02:26:28):
I'm well, but thank you and listen. I'm behind anyway line,
so I got to speak fast.

Speaker 7 (02:26:33):
And suffer and cold. But listen.

Speaker 8 (02:26:35):
Are you familiar with the.

Speaker 12 (02:26:37):
Black Leadership Family Plan for Unity, Survival and Progress of
the Black People that was articulated and put into a
document in nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 7 (02:26:51):
It was articulated by who.

Speaker 12 (02:26:54):
The Congressional Black Autics and other Black leaders that come
together and they formulated a plant. They called it the Plan,
and it was a twelve step plan that dealt with
the twelve different areas of people activity that specific as
far as what the Black church would do, what Black

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organizations could.

Speaker 7 (02:27:16):
Do, what our media should do.

Speaker 12 (02:27:20):
We talked about black politicians, It talked about it's folks
specifically about what these people, all these different groups can
do then even vote down our people activity that we
could do each month. That's why it was in twelve
It was in twelve sections and they had twelve months
of different activity and they had different focuses like for
for example, the month of November. We know it's a

(02:27:41):
political month, so that was the month where people that's
where the you know people would do their political action,
but also where we would formulate a agenda to give
to the candidate. So that we don't stay there ask
what is the Democratic Party going to do for us?
We tell them what we want, We give them our agenda.

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We don't let them to infect an agenda for us.
And this wind was agreed to fund by it and
like I said, the progression of black cout which they
don't ever talk about this anymore, this was agreed to
fund by the so called leagacy organizations. They don't talk
about it anymore. Even though they said they were gonna
follow it. This is not even it's not even to

(02:28:22):
this day on the radio when you get all these
people who are going at each other about their earning
that and they said, we need a plan. We had
a plane, okay, and our so called leadership has failed
us in following the very plane they were supposed to
put it they put out, but they just seemed to
put it out and then they got put out.

Speaker 7 (02:28:47):
I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, I am aware
of that plan. The what we need, what we need
to do is to reintroduce this new generation to that plane.
Uh it. It has not been widely disseminated, and the

(02:29:08):
major issue with it is that it is a plan
that focuses on participation in the electoral process, and which
is great. I mean, we need to do that, but
that's not all we you know. For example, let me
let me give you a quick, a very quick example.

(02:29:29):
In the whole our discussion about reparations, we have not
focused on what doctor King taught us, taught us about
back in nineteen fifty five and fifty six. When that
is an economic entity that refuses to respect you, that

(02:29:49):
refuses to acknowledge you are bringing money to them, boycott.
If black folk in this country, or even in the
city by city or state by state, if black folk
in this country decided this Christmas or this New Year's

(02:30:12):
or any other next year, if you want to do that,
but if we decided we're not going to spend one penny,
We're not going to go and buy a damn thing
during that particular holiday season, we would be able to
dictate whatever result we wanted. Black folk just kept their

(02:30:33):
money to themselves, do not spend at any of these
costcos and any other things. Economic boycotts worked when they
are organized. Well, they worked in Alabama and they will
still work in pasion this country. Now, that was not
part of the Congression of Black Caucacer's plan. That needs

(02:30:55):
to be added. But yeah, I am aware of the land.
I am aware, and we need to look at it.

Speaker 12 (02:31:04):
Okay, let me just add this now. They had they
had planned to boycott Christmas back in nineteen sixty three
after the March on Washington. Okay, but there was a
group that was doing together called the Council for United
Civil Rights Leadership that put their all those so called
legacy organizations together. But they were funded by a non

(02:31:27):
mimer of this person named Stephen.

Speaker 7 (02:31:28):
Curryer, and he gave U gold out the money to.

Speaker 12 (02:31:32):
The organizations and told them what they could talk about
it what they couldn't talk about at the march. But
he also talked them out of boycott and Christmas in
nineteen sixty three. That ain't nothing new, Okay, they were
talking a lot of that the city.

Speaker 7 (02:31:46):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (02:31:46):
But again, our leadership, just like with targets, Remember how
Target brought into Black Church and then they gave you
three hundred thousand dollars, Okay, them off. It's the same
thing that happens to Its happening over and over and over,
and we don't see it, and we keep falling for
the same thing.

Speaker 7 (02:32:05):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (02:32:06):
So I'm gonna take this. I'm gonna take the challenge
of taking the plane and updating it, and then we're
gonna out for public carecimin nation.

Speaker 7 (02:32:15):
What we're gonna do.

Speaker 12 (02:32:15):
We don't care to underground railroad.

Speaker 7 (02:32:18):
Okay, right, Hey, hey, brother, as I put it, I
put it, support it, and I hope you can include
some people from the West coast in the brand.

Speaker 12 (02:32:29):
All rightsolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:32:31):
Thanks call step aside for a few moments. Family, Hey,
thanks call for calling us from Virginia, doctor Horne. I
got a tweet question for you as well. Eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight to seventy six, so you
can speak to our guest, doctor David Horn. As I mentioned,
he's a Pan Africanist, he's a critical thinking scholar. And
again you can reach them at eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

(02:32:52):
phone calls. Next and Grand Rising family fast staying with
us on this Tuesday morning with our guest, doctor David Horn.
Doctor Horne is a Pan Africanist, I keep saying that,
and the critical thinking, a scholar. He taught critical thinking
and college and that's what we try to, you know,
ask our folks to do. Just think for themselves, you know,
free your mind. That's what it is when we say that.
And doctor Horns, you've been here and teaching us how

(02:33:14):
to do that, Doctor Horn. And tomorrow Carl in Northern
Virginia mentioned a solution about the boycotts and stuff like that,
a selected buying as we like to say, Uh, well, tomorrow,
we're gonna have a guest who's gonna tell us. You know,
he's gonna say, if we have to shop during the holiday,
shop black by black. So you're gonna hear that conversation.
So if you guys in like that kind of discussion,
he's gonna be here tomorrow morning and we're gonna talk

(02:33:36):
about that. But Dr Horman got some more folks who
wanted to talk to you. Money Mike is calling from
Baltimore's online two Grand Rising. Money Mike, You're on with
doctor David Horn.

Speaker 8 (02:33:48):
The morning, Doctor Horn.

Speaker 7 (02:33:50):
Hey brother, how are you doing?

Speaker 8 (02:33:52):
I'm doing great, Doctor Horn. Let me ask you a question.
Why does the US government, when they are just grown
with another country, why do they impose economic extensions on it?

Speaker 7 (02:34:06):
Because they can. Because when you think you are all powerful,
you are the great and powerful ours. You can do
whatever you want to other entities until somebody has kicked
your behind, I trip you down, I push you over

(02:34:29):
the cliff, and you know you can be hurt until
they have put you back in your place. You think
you can run run the game with everybody. United States
does not think that it's any entity bigger or more
powerful than it is. Therefore, when you have a leader

(02:34:53):
like the one who's in charge now, who is only
used to pushing his way through logically feeling out a
way to do it. When you have that kind of leadership,
that's what you're going to get. I told you what
to do, and so you do it. No, no, no,

(02:35:14):
that's okay.

Speaker 6 (02:35:15):
Why do we do it first?

Speaker 8 (02:35:17):
If we're the biggest and most powerful bully on the earth,
why don't we just go and smack them upside the
head first?

Speaker 7 (02:35:26):
They are that's what they're doing your venezuela right now,
that's what they're.

Speaker 8 (02:35:31):
Doing to Uh.

Speaker 7 (02:35:34):
But no, no, and they're doing that against the United
States law. They're doing it against the law that they
themselves have imposed. It's pretty bad when you know, I
tell my children what to do and what not to
do because I'm in charge, and then they see me

(02:35:57):
doing it, they see me doing what I tell them
not to do. That's not good leadership. That's not good parentage.
That's the kind of leadership this country is imposing on
the rest of the world. The United States does not
think any other country, any group of countries, can stand

(02:36:19):
up against us. You know how that feels? Right? My
last Quesson, My.

Speaker 8 (02:36:26):
Last question is that when did you realize that the
might that the black community has. I'm talking about financial wealth.
When did you realize that we had it? And what
I'm gonna say is that when I was seventeen, that
was over forty three years ago, I realized that every
other country we always imposed economic sanctions. And I never

(02:36:48):
heard any of our political leaders since Martin Luther King
talk about Boycotten And I'm advocating Boycotton lotteries right here
in Maryland, in Northern Virginia to set the trend. If
we understand that's how the lottery was used and what
it's used for now. If we can't get cohesion about
boycotting stores, at least we can boycott the lotteries. That

(02:37:10):
way in property taxes go up. Counties don't get the revenue,
schools don't get the funding, streets don't get clean, lights
don't get put up, streets don't get paid. We gotta
hurt them with the only real power we have. The
boat no longer works for us because we're only three
hundred thousand, I think, I mean, I mean three million,

(02:37:33):
thirty million, I'm sorry, thirty million. That's a that's a
that's a drop of water into the bucket.

Speaker 7 (02:37:38):
So we don't have power you talking about you're talking
about in Maryland, and you're talking about in the country,
in the country. Boy, oh no, oh, no, no, no,
we're a lot bigger than that. Were not big enough,
but we're a lot bigger than that. Right, But in
the scheme of all things, we're a drop in the bucket.

Speaker 8 (02:37:57):
Yeah, well you're right about that. No, no, no, I'm
gonna be honest, right, I'm right. I don't mean to
get it none enough, none other people. I'm I'm explaining
to the audience this thing about voting I'm advocating for it,
but you really don't have any power. The power you
have is in the purse. Your power is economic power.

(02:38:18):
If you don't believe it, I'm saying, dot go on.
I know you know it, but I'm trying to get
this point across, and I've been trying to get across
for the last thirty years. If you don't get money
and understand the power of money, that's why this country
imposes economic sanctions. It cripples these other countries economically. We
can try cypple this country and bring them to their

(02:38:39):
needs if we understand it. Thank you doctor for so much.

Speaker 7 (02:38:42):
Manham None, No, but you and you have a very
valid point, and I wish you success in organizing people
to do something about it. You are correct that economic
power is exactly what we do possess, we just have
not used it.

Speaker 1 (02:39:05):
Yeah, let me just say this, the question about how
many black folks in the country. As twenty twenty three,
they estimated the forty eight point three million people self
identified as black, So we make up fourteen point four
percent of the country's population. And this is an increase
as well, a thirty three percent increase since two thousand
and those are the people identify because you know, they've

(02:39:26):
got some folks who don't identify as black.

Speaker 11 (02:39:29):
A bunch of selfterfuse black folk right right, don't understand
they don't understand that they're right.

Speaker 1 (02:39:38):
One. Yeah, if you got one drop of black boot,
you're black. But I got a tweet question for you.
And this is interesting tweet by the way, doctor Hornet
Tweeter says, what is the prospect of the US military
stepping in on a rogue administration taking over the government
until order and democracy is restored? A military coupdy tar
may be necessary to ultimately get Trump out of office.

(02:39:59):
And the person says, the true just clear that we
won't have to vote again. He said because Trump said
that himself. So he was saying that this may be
the last election we had. Was the last election. And
it also points out the fact that the East Wing
is now. You don't fabricate, make a building, or to
do something those kind of uh moves unless you plan
to stay for quite some time. If you've got to
give it up in two years ago, we build it.

(02:40:21):
So all of those questions, he's talking about something that
we never had in this country. I don't think. But
maybe correct me if I'm wrong, Doctor you.

Speaker 7 (02:40:30):
You occurred your career. Have never been a coop guitar
in the country. They have been attempted to attempt at
cool guitar, but no, we've never had one, and uh
they're not about they're not about to have one. Now.
The US military in this country has been uh totally
uh schooled on obey the command structure.

Speaker 11 (02:40:57):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (02:40:57):
If if there is some activity that gets started, you know,
there are some military activity to get started. Some people
try to take over the city, a county, state. The
military may come in to do that to put that down.
But they're not going to put the government down. That's

(02:41:20):
not going to happen in this country. That's not the
military had basically does not even have that in his
DNA in this country. None of the folk have been
trained to do that. They're not going to do it.
The trumpet would have to be removed another way, and.

Speaker 5 (02:41:37):
The way.

Speaker 7 (02:41:40):
That is logically capable of doing that, it's called kill
you behinds to the to the vote to the voting center.
In twenty twenty six, put in a majority of Senators

(02:42:00):
and House of Representative members and impeach his ass out
of out of power. You got to have two thirds
of the Senate, and you've got to have a majority
in the House, and he can be impeached out of
the White House. But he controls all those numbers.

Speaker 1 (02:42:21):
Yeah, but as you said, but he can, as you mentioned,
it controls all the branches of the government of control.
But do you think this, this rebellion that we're seeing
the civil war now, uh, brought on the part of
partly by the Epstein files.

Speaker 4 (02:42:34):
That do you think that's this is the the end
of the Maga movement as we know it.

Speaker 7 (02:42:40):
It is the beginning of the end of the Mega movement,
because part of the Mega movement is believe in QAnon,
this whole kind of you know, non non logical uh
uh extraterrestrial kind of thing. You know. They that they
were accusing Hillary Clinton having some crazy non sense in

(02:43:00):
the basement of a of a store, and and and
uh the whole idea about uh extraterrestrial beings and stuff. Anyway,
the QAnon belief, this belief in the whole fantasy about
about life is fundamental to AMaGA. Epstein. The Epsteam files

(02:43:24):
are part of that q and noon belief.

Speaker 5 (02:43:27):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (02:43:28):
This Epstein file is gonna end up being Trump's uh
death blow, you know, yah in over the head of
every government's supposed it's supposed to be the short of Dominocles.
The whole idea that as you are in charge, there's

(02:43:52):
always the threat of somebody offering your head, the the
public turning against you, major disaster that you cannot handle.
That always a florad of domoicles over your head. Uh,
the air stream files. That is Trump sort of dominoicles.

(02:44:13):
It is going to reduce him to totally an effect
you're president. It will not take him out of being president,
but it would make his administration totally useless and helpless.

Speaker 4 (02:44:27):
Lame duck.

Speaker 7 (02:44:27):
Uh, lame duck.

Speaker 4 (02:44:30):
Yes, but what about the economy too.

Speaker 1 (02:44:33):
I'm just pressing this a little bit, Dr Horn because
it kind of is in the toilet, but because the
government was shut down, it's not.

Speaker 7 (02:44:41):
In the toilet yet, but it's damn sure close.

Speaker 1 (02:44:43):
Right, But we're not getting reports and people are feeling
he took off some of the tariffs because you know,
folks are going shopping for a Thanksgiving and the prices
will be increased across by the tariffs. So he wrote,
you know, he walked back some of those stuff. So
do you think that be more? That'll be more?

Speaker 7 (02:45:01):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (02:45:02):
That will the American people wake up over that issue
when they find out of the stuff that they want
to cause so much more. And then he's got beating
with China. A lot of the stuff we've got, especially
for those folks who celebrate Christmas, comes from China, and
they gotta pay more for you.

Speaker 7 (02:45:16):
Look, Trump can lie all he wants about the economy
doing well, and people are doing great under his administration.
You can't a lot of people when they can't buy food.
You can't a lot of people when you're taking snap
benefits away from them. You can't a lot of people
when they cannot afford any kind of health insurance. Again,

(02:45:39):
people know when the cost of visiting has gone up,
and it has gone up. The the particular method that
the Trump administration is using to show leadership is already
showing cracks and that it is going to collapse, mainly

(02:46:01):
because the price of living in this country is going
to go It's going to go up too high. The
price of everything and everything is going to go up.
So yeah, that's that's gonna happen. Anyway. Meanwhile, the whole idea.
This whole epstream thing is going to collapse on mister Trump.

(02:46:21):
He was involved with those people, you know. He I'm
not able to say what he did and what he
did not do, but he was a lot more involved
than he wants people to to believe. And the data
will upsure that. And the Maga folk love the qan

(02:46:46):
Noon idea more than they love him at Margaret Head
of Green Base and other people have already demonstrated they
are going to force the epstream evidence to come out
is not going to be pretty. That is going to
affect the the belief in his leadership.

Speaker 4 (02:47:09):
Right there though, the.

Speaker 1 (02:47:11):
Doctor Horne, how do we know that those files haven't
been sanitized yet? And when when they're released, there'll just
be a bunch of Democrats the names that are on there,
because we know both both parties are involved were involved
with Epstein. How do we know that they're not being
cleaned before they release the.

Speaker 7 (02:47:28):
The files that are being uh handled by the Justice Department. Yeah,
they have tied to clean those files, but those are
not the only files. You got all of that data
that just became public knowledge from the Epstein estate itself.

(02:47:53):
You got fifty You got fifty thousand emails. So just
from the sting people, you know about what he was
talking about, how much you talked about Trump. Remember, they
just came out and said it. In the steam files
that have already been identified almost eighteen thousand times they

(02:48:16):
mentioned Trump. Information is there here. It is, even though
there's this wild attempt to try to control the information
to try to keep people from finding out. This finding
out that that attempt is not working and it's not
going to work.

Speaker 1 (02:48:37):
So there, because you're right, he is in the FC files.
It's it's just about almost admitted that. But it's what
he did. I think that's what the country is holding
their collective breath.

Speaker 4 (02:48:48):
How deep was.

Speaker 7 (02:48:51):
Well? That where the evidence about that that the Justice
Department now controls that may have been whited out? But
again there is other alredactidents, right, well, yeah redacted. It's
more than just taking a pencil and tracking it out.

(02:49:15):
Now they used to light out or whatever to take
it out. But again that's not the only evidence. That's
not the only other information that's coming out. Again, the
data are coming out of the Epstein is statedself is
just as important, are more important than the files that
the Justice Department now has and hold that thought.

Speaker 1 (02:49:38):
Right there at doctor On. We got to step aside
for our last month break and we come back. Bob
and Buffalo and Freedom Bridge and Pittsburgh. Want to speak
with your family? YouTube can join our conversation doctor David Horn.
Just reach out to us at eight hundred and four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six and ticket phone
calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks to staying with
us on this Tuesday morning with our guess, doctor David Horn.

(02:50:00):
I mentioned he's a pan Afghanist and also critical thinking.
Scholl also gave it as well, what are your thoughts
You wanted to speak with him? Reach out to us
at eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy
six and Bob's calling us from Buffalo. He's on line
three Grand Rising. Bob your question for doctor Horn.

Speaker 10 (02:50:15):
Yes, sir, blessed love family, My I'm thankful for another day.
God has blessed me to see and allows me to
listen to this program. Gotchas In terms of the cool thing,
there's never been a national coup, but we can't forget
that there was a coop and woman to North Carolina
where they overthrew a black government, and I did. We're

(02:50:37):
actually and I actually think we're living through a coup
now that it started with Trump's first presidency and it's
continued with the second presidency.

Speaker 7 (02:50:47):
But as this trial or this.

Speaker 10 (02:50:51):
Epstein thing is being discussed today, let's not forget they
say that human trafficking is not necessarily about sex. It's
about a power abuse of power. And it's not just
about those who Epstein traffic. Let's deal with the people
who are being trafficked throughout this nation and our community.
Young people, young boys, and young girls who are being

(02:51:14):
trafficked continually, have been traffic continually. So as you hear
them talk about these young ladies, I guess one of
them who is African American. Let's not just think of
those people, think about all of the people who are
being trafficked to this day and have been continually trafficked
every since this human trafficking way that we still suffer

(02:51:37):
from has been going on. So expand the thought beyond
just that, and in terms of a master plan, getting
at home begin with your family and with your community,
your nation. You know, it's not something we can advertise
when you talk about getting together a plan. We need

(02:51:57):
to begin implemented it now know that we're living through
were cool right now. So I just want people to
think about your daughters and your sons and how they're
being perfected as we speak all too much in this country.

Speaker 7 (02:52:11):
All right, Well, yeah, thank you very much that that
was the worst of.

Speaker 1 (02:52:18):
Them, all right, all right? Eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy six. Freedom Bridge is calling us from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4 (02:52:25):
Is online.

Speaker 1 (02:52:26):
One Grand Rising, Freedom Bridge a question.

Speaker 7 (02:52:28):
For doctor Horne Grand Rising.

Speaker 11 (02:52:31):
I want to make one statement that I'm in the
same corner with him when it comes to the veteran.
I'm a Vietnam veteran and my father was a Korean veteran,
and when it comes to those benefits, even to this day,
they stall on us or try to carve us away.
My wife and I tried to buy a home and
they made us go through papers after papers. It took

(02:52:53):
ause least two years to get approve. And the only
way we got to approve is we had an attorney
signed the papers. My father never got one benefit, and
nobody came knocking to tell him he was entitled to benefits,
and he got shot in the Korean and even to
this day, they don't tell us everything. And it depends
on who answers that phone. When you're looking for benefits

(02:53:15):
or to buy a house or whatever, you might never
see or get an answer on that. The thing, Yeah,
the other thing is money, Mike, money, Mike, all your
family behind you must be doing great. I wish we
could say it for our whole race. As far as reparations,

(02:53:37):
think about all the inventions that we came up with
air condition where are these black companies at where's all
these things we caught in gin and many many more.
We need to put them on top of the debt
of because you just took them white folks with their
patent method. But we as people, we got to stop
being afraid to say, hey, I'm not going to say

(02:54:00):
nothing because I might lose mind. That's the fear. We
fear our own truth. We live in our fears, and
we got to start that for our children, for our
future tomorrow. So that's what I have to say about
all that, Well said brother Well said.

Speaker 7 (02:54:16):
The the look, we as black folks and we are
Africans understand they were lying lying us the whole time.
They the whole idea that those who look like us
are African descendants. The entire world is the African descendant.

(02:54:41):
Everybody came from Africa. They don't want to admit that that,
but even they did. As strange as they are, they
will continue doing whatever they can to stay on top,
to be the master, to be in check charge. That

(02:55:01):
is their logic being in charge. In order for us
to be able to combat that logic, we have to
utilize what the brother is saying, our own internal strength
right now in this country. That strength is much more

(02:55:22):
economic than it is political. We need to organize ourselves
economically to get better answers that we have gotten. We
must plan economically to take back what we need from
the society that are not giving us what we have earned.

Speaker 1 (02:55:48):
About Yeah, let me jump me here for a second,
a ten away from the top, because freedom, it is
something interesting.

Speaker 4 (02:55:53):
It said.

Speaker 1 (02:55:53):
Fear is that the technique that this administration is You
afraid to say anything, anything that might be personal. Yeah,
we didn't even talk about the cryptocurrency scam is going on,
you know.

Speaker 6 (02:56:06):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (02:56:08):
What Freedom said that he's got people afraid, people are scared.
It's Margie Taylor Green. She she's got a backbone and
she's starting to speak out. Do you think this will
catch on? And you think that people now will start
to resist because people are.

Speaker 7 (02:56:22):
Scared, they will start to resist. And again for white people,
it's gonna come over Epstein files. For us, it has
to be we'd organizing our own money, our own property,
our own resources, so we can control that to get
what we need.

Speaker 1 (02:56:44):
Because you know, he sued these a lot of these
broadcast companies and they caved in or because they were
ideals they wanted to make, and they gave him a
lot of money.

Speaker 7 (02:56:51):
Dreading them, he threatened.

Speaker 1 (02:56:52):
When he's threatening the BBC because for something they did,
and the bridge are tell them, go kick rocks. You
know you can't get it if you want it, I'm
just willing, right, how's he gonna collect it? Not because
they tell him go kick rocks. You know we're not
going to pay you. You know, this is not America.
You know, the Britzs are like laughing at him. So
but he seems like this the people, the people on

(02:57:16):
this side of the ocean capitulated to what he's right.
I think, okay, I write him a check and he
boasted about the check over who he got fired. He
tried that with the Brits and he's still trying it.
And they told him, you.

Speaker 4 (02:57:27):
Know where to go.

Speaker 7 (02:57:29):
Yeah you can't. If you if you appease a bully,
all you've done is increase his appetite. You haven't. You
haven't gotten him to go away.

Speaker 1 (02:57:41):
So what is the answer, though, How do we get
people to be not scared to be You know, we
were we were some bold people back in the day,
back in the sixties. We thought we could change the
country and we did to stop the Vietnam woy you
remember that. But it seems like this generation now, you know,
doctor Horn, they're afraid he got a bullion and they're all,
you know, power into you know, and it just takes

(02:58:03):
another step, takes another step and keeps on going.

Speaker 7 (02:58:06):
Right is right? It's all about organizing. And you don't
have organized in a group of five hundred or five thousand.
You can organize in a group of three, four, five, ten.
We have to organize our own resources. That's where the

(02:58:26):
plan would come from. We need to start meeting more
with each other and not meeting with them. We need
to stop putting out all our business under damn computer.
We need to stop telling everybody everything about what we're
doing and taking pictures about everything. We need to start

(02:58:47):
talking to five or fifteen or twenty people who understand
what we are going through in our neighborhood so we
can improve our neighborhood. Is organizing street by street, organizing, ok,
neighborhood by neighborhood, organizing to the point that we desired.

(02:59:10):
We are going to keep our money in our pocket
until you act right, until you provide for us what
we need. That's what we're talking about. That's the logic
of all this.

Speaker 1 (02:59:24):
You know what Doctor Dick Gregory talked about this quite
a bit when when he was there. Every time it's
time of.

Speaker 7 (02:59:29):
The year, you got you got a good memory call.

Speaker 1 (02:59:32):
Yeah, but he would talk as you know we talked about.
But he says, you can't get black folks to boycott Christmas.
There's something about us when it comes to you know,
that's snow white and that the tree and all of
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:59:45):
Right, we fall for that.

Speaker 7 (02:59:49):
It trained us. It trained us for behavior patterns. Yeah,
they we got it. We act like we have to
spend our money. We have to go and give our
money away to uh the shop them all.

Speaker 1 (03:00:03):
And we're going to see next week is I think
next week is Black Friday. You're gonna see and they're
gonna show how people are busting through to get through
the stores. And I always watch. I'm always looking for
our folks, and I just always see a bunch of
folks up in the front, you know, because we gotta
get We gotta get to whatever gift we gotta do
an exchange, get family. Let's let's do something different this year.
Let's let's celebrate Quansa.

Speaker 3 (03:00:24):
You know, let's do that.

Speaker 4 (03:00:25):
If we're gonna do something, let's celebrate Quansa exactly.

Speaker 7 (03:00:29):
We celebrate black families, and we celebrate our survival a
far celebrate each other, you know, house to house kind
of stuff. We don't have to keep running fighting to
give our money, our our resources. A way, we need
to stop doing that.

Speaker 1 (03:00:51):
Yeah, but doctor Horne, how do we envince the majority
of our folks.

Speaker 4 (03:00:54):
That do that?

Speaker 7 (03:00:57):
You start small, you God, we have four or five
or six people who understand in a particular neighborhood, they meet,
they collect their own resources, they demonstrate what can be
done with that. You start small, you build, You show
people what can be done until they finally feel safe

(03:01:20):
enough to trust you and to trust themselves to make
decisions that I help all of you. That's how we
get it done. But street by street, house by house,
neighborhood by neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (03:01:34):
I like what you said about the plan that we
have to to get the youth involved as well, because
you get their energy, because they they have energy and
the future for them, and consulting the elders to come
up with a plan. But we've got to put We've
got to come up and put both groups together. How
can we put both groups together?

Speaker 7 (03:01:57):
Their car is the logic we have to work out.
How do we put us back together? How do we
how do we get back to trusting each other enough
to work together to get stuff done. There is a method.
We used to know what that method was. We have

(03:02:17):
forgotten it or a lady's side and don't even know
where it is now. We got to go and find it,
but it it's there. We used to organize that way,
neighborhood by neighborhood. That's how we got the Klan out
of the black neighbor out of the black townships. We
had to organize in those townships. Y'all, bring y'all behind

(03:02:41):
them here. We're gonna fire y'all up. We're not gonna
wait for you to come and burn us. Now, we're
gonna burn you. How the black families had to organize
to do that, I'm saying we can do the same
thing again, organized for our own survival, our own growth.
Don't wait for them to come for us. Get ready.

Speaker 1 (03:03:00):
Yeah, you sounded like Kwame Terrae. Now his famous slash
was organized, organized, organized, Yeah, And I was.

Speaker 7 (03:03:08):
I was a a number of the All African People's
Well roofs Here party for a long time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:03:16):
He did his final interview with us when we're in
l A and I says, you know, and he was
so willy that somebody hold Yeah, somebody had to hold
the phone for him. And he was in Conakay, Guinea
and he says, I said, well, what you want to
leave our people?

Speaker 4 (03:03:32):
We want to tell him?

Speaker 1 (03:03:33):
And he says organized, organized, organized, organized.

Speaker 11 (03:03:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:03:37):
I'm saying that, Well, we got organized our way out
of here. Doctor Hornt. Just want to thank you for
sharing your thoughts with us this morning. And uh, can
folks still reach you?

Speaker 4 (03:03:46):
Are you still? Are you still not on social media?

Speaker 7 (03:03:49):
I am not on social media. I still got to walk.

Speaker 1 (03:03:56):
Right, brother said, he cans tell us about be careful
what we put on social media. Somebody folks on stand
that you know, use it, don't let it use you.
But you're smart, you know how to do it, doctor Harn.
But thank you again this morning, and.

Speaker 7 (03:04:08):
You acquite welcome call. And thank you for already a
great listeners.

Speaker 1 (03:04:13):
All right, family, that's it for the day. Classes dismissed.
Stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy. We'll see
tomorrow morning six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten
ten WLB and also in the DMV on fourteen fifty
WOL

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