Dr. Gerald Horne, Simeon Booker Muhammad & Michael Redmond on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and welcome to another Wednesday, another
hump day. Later, the University of Houston's doctor Gerald Horn
will join us. Doctor Horn will also be in the
DMV this weekend for a book signing. We'll tell you
more about that as well. Doctor Horn will tackle several
issues as usual, including the Gaza peace Agreement, the government shutdown,
tensions between the US and China, the US and Russia,

(00:23):
the situation involving Venezuela, the National Guard patrolling US cities,
and more. Before doctor Horn, writer Simeon Booker Muhammad will
provide a UFO update. A momentarily financial analyst Michael Redmond
will join us. But let's get Kevin to open the
classroom doors on this Wednesday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Grand Rising, Carl Nelson. I think I'm gonna run on
and see what the end is gonna be right, cut
to the chase exactly. Sometimes you just gotta run a
little bit faster. It's the fifteenth of October, and happy
Wednesday to everyone and Carl Nelson. Wells Fargo has donated

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roughly dollars this morning through helping them over.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
In the community.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
External noise. Wait, hold on, keep going to hearing it.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
I'm not hearing it.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh okay, man, what a morning? What a morning?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Okay, maybe that's coming through my hair phones. Okay, I'm sorry, brother,
Where were you?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
What's going on? What's in the news this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well, there's a lot happening actually here. In the last
quarter of the year twenty twenty five, the great artist D'Angelo,
the creator of neo soul, the Neo Soul Revolution, died
at the age of fifty one. Are you familiar with

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him or familiar with yeah, his famous album Brown Sugar.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, I'm familiar with that record. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
And he was only fifty one. And it was announced
that Michael Eugene Archer, better known as D'Angelo, was having
a private battle with cancer. And as we mourn his death,
we got to remember to celebrate his life and the
music and the legacy that he left us. And because

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it was disputed whether or not he architecte archetized, that's
not even the word, whether or not he created the
sound known as neo sol or did Erica baddu But
his album Brown Sugar came out way before badu ism.
So those who were still discussing that, the people who

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bat On DiAngelo won.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, well, you know, always comparing you know what it
was I pick up with stuff like that what doctor
Fox tells us, always competing with another black person. Why
you know they both got in their own right. But
let's go back to Brown Sugar though, because that was
done by it was produced by Angie Stone. And you
know he had a child with Andy so well, right

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young man now, and I guess the talk about that
once they got together. He was nineteen and she was thirty.
So you know there's a talk about you know, ange
Stone getting with a younger man. Yeah, that she was
a cougar, but but beyond all that, the Angelo was
a cool young man. Well that's what she said, you

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know you look at it, right, Yeah, that's what she said.
But the sad part about that, as you know, Kevin,
the Angie Stone died earlier this.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Year, Yes, in that car accident. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah. So the offspring now is is uh, you know,
no parents, but I think it's in his early twenties
or something like that. So you know, not saying that
lessons it when you was you both your parents so young. Wow,
So our press go out to the brother.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well, he will definitely be missed, and there's people questioning
is the neosoul revolution over now now that d'angelo's taking
it with him, you know, or not, But that remains
to be seen. Meanwhile, in other news, there's a gentleman
named pritz and he's leading the resistance against much of

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the Trump administration. He's the Illinois governor right now, and
he's waging a campaign against Trump and his administration's incursions
I'm quoting the Washington Post incursions into Illinois. And most
of the Democratic Party is still reeling from Trump's victory
in November, you know, as president, this gentleman, Governor JB.

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Pritzer is gearing up for battle. He says, I want
to remind you that happy warrior's still a warrior, and
you come for my people, you come through me. That's
what you said. It sounds like a line from a
Western or something, right.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, But he's much loved in Illinois, especially in Chicago.
They still love him. They love him quite a bit, so,
you know. Yeah. So, but here's the other problem too
with Chicago and the mayor's he's back in the mayor
of course, because he's gone after Chicago. But the mayor
is grappling with a budget that's over a billion dollars
and you know, usually they'd have some federal funds to

(05:32):
offset that, but the Trump administration is holding back on
that money. So the mayor of Chicago's got to figure
out a way how to increase taxes to make up
for that budget shortfall.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
We got. At least he's got the governor.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Now, he's got the governor on his side, Yes, on
his side.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
And Prinzker historically is a big in their heir to
the Hyatt Hotels fortune. I guess, like along with the
young lady that used to be be on the news
all the time just for being famous. Remember her. Her
name leaves me right now.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I think I think he wanted Paris Hilton Paris.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, that's the Hilton Hilton, not the highest Okay, yeah,
you know what you see, one expensive hotel, I guess.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
But anyway, it all look alike as they say about us.
Don't worry about that, yeah, he says.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
He says he has national aspirations to take his fight
further than just the state of Illinois, and he is
the first in the nation presidential primary earlier this year.
You know. Anyway, he says, it's time to fight everywhere.
So again, I just didn't realize that there is a
Democratic hopeful potential presidential candidate other than Kamala Harris. And

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we don't know if she's even considering running yet, do we.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah. And the other one too, a new som out
of California, the governor of California. He's considered, uh prober
of possibility and and uh jos Shapere and Pennsylvania and
other governor he's also considered possibly But so far they
haven't called us to behind any one particular candidate. So
you know, Priscal's stepping up. He's he's on the national stage,

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and he's making the most of it well and well.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
In other news, Trump says he may send Tomahawk missiles
to the Ukraine. He's considering, you know, their long range,
the long range Tomahawk cruise missiles.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
And when the reporters asked him on the Air Force
one whether he would provide Kiev with tomahawks, he says,
we'll see. You know.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
You know what, that's an interesting response because that reverberated
all the way to Russia and putin putting his responding
to that. We'll hear more about that when doctor Gerald
Horne joins us, that's one of the topics. He's going
to discuss the tensions, the rising tensions in the US
and Russian and also US and China.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Right, And it just seems that he's trying to Is
he a warmonger? I just don't get it. But where's
your selling wolf tickets? Because you know his nickname is Taco,
So do you think it's selling wolf tickets? Again, It's

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possible there's some sort of leverage scheme going on. But
he confirmed the Ukrainian leader's visit to the White House,
and he says Zelenski asks for help, So he says,
I think so yeah, during that brief fuel stop, and
it will be the links. He's third visit to Washington

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since January. And Tomahawk missiles. Pardon me, it sounds like
I'm skipping around. This is from BBC that the Tomahawk
missiles have a range of twenty five hundred kilometers, which
equals fifteen hundred miles, which would put in Moscow within
reach of the Ukraine. So Trump's attitude to Russia has
hardened in recent months as he has become impatient with

(09:05):
Vladimir Putin's lack of cooperation in reaching a ceasefire deal
with Kiev, which caused him, of course, in my humble opinion,
to not get his much wanted Nobel Peace Prize. See
if if Putin had had have cooperated, it would have
really put him right up there in spite of his

(09:26):
campaign for it. Do you think so, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Well, it'll be interesting. First of all, just go back
to the Peace Prize because you know that that that deal,
the peace agreement between Gaza and Israel, it's sort of
it's sort of fragile. It'll just put it that way,
because the Hamas is still it's still running Gaza right now,
and Israelis have stopped or cut back and sending him
food to the Gazans. So we're going to see what happens.

(09:50):
We're going to talk about this again. It's another topic
that doctor gerald Horn's going to share with us. Is
here what is insight into that? But you're right, uh,
but the there's a difference between what's going on in
Ukraine and what's going on in Gaza, and doctor Harn's
going to sort it out for us later.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh good good. And finally, I just don't want to
take up all your time. Thousands of federal employees are
getting laid off, man, and they're wondering. MPR is wondering
will a judge intervene With the federal government shut down
hitting a two week mark, a federal judge in San
Francisco will wave whether to temporarily halt the latest wave

(10:28):
of layoffs by the Trump administration. Her name is District
Judge Susan Ilston, and she's gonna hear preliminary arguments today
in a case brought by the American Federation of Government Employees,
the AFGE, and the American Federation of State, County and
Municipal Employees. You can guess that acronym right AFSCME, which

(10:50):
together represents more than eight hundred thousand federal workers. So
what do you think does she had?

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well? Today was? Yeah, today was supposed to be a
payday for some folks. And I think this is another
question for doctor on had to be throwing everything on
doctor Horne's desk. But what's behind the lag the shutdown?
It just gives Hi an opportunity to reduce the government
workforce even more because now some people say they fired
a whole bunch of folks, you know, and so we'll

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see and we don't know the impact yet because of
the government shutdown, so we're not getting the reports from
the Labor Department, the unemployment reports. So you know, Wall
Street is guessing about how bad the economy is because
there's no way to detect it. Maybe Mike, who's coming up,
Mike Redmond can help us with that one as well.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
And then again, in my opinion, Trump has blamed the
Democrats for the shutdown, and yet he's the president, you know,
and theoretically the president though he's a Republican, right and
he's the you know, he's represented by the Republican Party.
As president, you're supposed to be the guy, you're the

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buck stops at the president. I thought, you know, even
Trump said that before he became president, that the president
is the guy who takes the fault for things like
a shut down, because he's supposed to be at the
end of the day, he's supposed to be both Democrat
and Republican once you become president.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
But I guess those days are gone. Huh, I'm just dreaming. Yeah,
those days ago. You're right, Obama was in president then
when he made those that proclamation. But yeah, he's supposed
to be, and people are saying, if you can bring
the Arabs and the Jews together, why can't you do
it with the Republicans and the Democrats. They're in your backyard,
you know, So stop get off there taking a victory

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lap and do one at home. So that's another thing again.
I'm throwing everything on Gerald Horn's desk right now, so
we'll let him tackle all of that.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, I guess he's too close to see the difference.
But thanks for your time, Carl. It's the fifteenth of
October and we've got and Antel analyst Michael Ridmond standing by.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Hey, grand rising Mike, Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
We're in raging Carl.

Speaker 6 (13:08):
How you doing.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
I'm still learning and I told Kevin I'll know I'm
going to learn a lot this morning between you, Dr
Horn and also Dot brother simeon book at Muhammad. But
first of all, let's let's get straight to the crypto Coney.
The volatility of the crypto market. People saying that crypto
was good. You always get into crypto, that's about last
week or maybe a week ago, and now it's fluctuating.

(13:30):
What's going on in the crypto market.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
Well, it's always been very volatile. You know bigcoin in particular.
You know, it had gone up to like one hundred
and twenty four thousand, and then Trump was talking about
putting one hundred percent tire from China and that Big
cooin to go down to like AD one hundred thousand dollars.

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So it's always been very volatile.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
You know, well it'll help us, Why would Why would China?
What's China got to do with with with bigcoin?

Speaker 6 (14:08):
It's just you know, part of the economic environment and landscape.
Like I said, bigcoin has been very volatile over you know,
I know I've been evaluated for five years, and I
mean I've started seen ago twenty thousand down to thirty
five hundred, you know, back up to sixty nine thousand,

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back down the sixteen thousand. You know, usually every four years, Uh,
it'll go through a cycle of you know Bowman bus
kind of thing. Now, there's a lot of people saying
now that the ETFs have been implemented in the institutionals
that come in that for four year cycle that is

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happened historically is sort of out the window. That's yet
to be seen. But it's just very volatile. I mean,
it's voluntier on the way up and it's voluntier on
the way down.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Well, well, mister Redmond, what I always say, You know
that even though it is volatile and it goes up
and it comes back down and those kinds of things,
it's not going to go back to the era when
when people first began, yours truly first began getting in it.
It's not going to go back down to one thousand dollars.

(15:25):
It might go up and down, But isn't that that volatility.
Isn't that a matter of it adjusting and correcting, Like
when the hype goes up and people hear about it,
people get involved, causing the price to go up, and
then something like I said, something happens in the news, Uh,
China makes an announcement, the president makes an announcement, and

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all of a sudden, it resets. And that's when you
buy Am I right or am I wrong?

Speaker 6 (15:53):
You tell me it's constantly adjusting to you know, external factors.
I said, it's been very very sensitive, you know, I
mean even I mean back when I first got into
it five years ago, if Elon Musk made a tweet
about it, it would go up and down. Stuff. So

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it's like that. It's very sensitive, very volatile, but based
on the alternative of you know, fiat currencies. I mean basically,
bitcoin is a store value. You know, when you look
at try to save money these days, you know, it's
it's it's like, you know.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Something else to have your portfolio, something else to have, right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
I mean a small a small percentage. I mean people
you know talk about bitcoin, but that's not something that
you want to have all your money in. But you know,
like a one to five percent you know, allocation of
bitcoin or you know conation of you know bitcoin, you know,
im precious metals, gold and sugar, which you're at time

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hives right now.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Right, let's go right there, Mike. We're going to step
aside for a few monthents, so we come back and
tell us why gold, especially gold, is going to people
are putting their money in gold? Are they taking money
out from the cryptocurrency market now they put why though
these precious metals? So the commodity is improving for folks
who want to invest. Family is just waking up and
join us. It's seventeen after the top. They I guess

(17:23):
he's financial analyst, Michael Redmond. You want to speak to
him about money. Reach out to us at eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,
thanks waking up with us on this Wednesday morning. We're
halfway through the work weekend. I means it's a hump day.
It's twenty minutes after the top they are. I guess
there's a financial analyst, Michael Redman, who's talked about the

(17:43):
volatility of cryptocurrency, and I was telling us that people
that am shifting their investment portfolios to include h gold
and silver. Why why is that so, Mike.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
Well, Uncause Golden Shiver is always been money. Sure, of course,
gold was taken the dollars taken off the gold standard
back in nineteen seventy one, and we actually went from
a gold standard to a petro dollars standard, and as

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recently we not no longer have a petrol dollar standard.
So the money is not backed by anything. When you
talk about fiat currency, you're talking about just paper, paper
money that's not back by anything. And every time that
they print the government prints money, it debases the currency

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that is already in existence. Like I think over the
last five or six years. You know, since COVID, there's
been forty percent of the dollars that have been distributed
or allocated have been over a five to six year period,
So sixty percent it took us like two hundred years

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to accumulate, and then in five years, you know, than
of the dollars that are in existence. You know, they
were giving out all the stimulus six and everything like that.
So the FED buying a lot of the gold. The
bond market is really like toast right now because nobody

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wants to buy our bonds. So it used to be
a thing that you know, people best to sixty percent
in the stocks, forty percent in the bonds. But now
they're saying, you know, you should do like sixty percent stocks,
twenty percent bonds, and then the other twenty percent should
beat diversified assets like gold, silver or bitcoin and stuff.

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So it's a paradigm shift, and it's really happening more
globally than it is, you know, Christian in the United
States and stuff, because there's a lot of anti American
sentiment in opposition in terms of dedollar rising because foreign

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country trio that America is basically forcing other economies to
go bailly up because they needed dollars in order to
transact trade. Historically they've needed dollars, but now they're trying
to basically come up with their own payment systems peraps,
you know, Pan African payment system, and they were using

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traditionally the SPURT system for international trade, but now they're
coming up with their own system systems to do, you know,
trading their own currencies and stuff. So like over to Africa,
you know, French have been you know, involved with a
lot of the transactions. Even though like two African countries

(20:51):
would trade between each other, they're saying, well, why does
the West, you know, why does the United States or
why does France have to have anything to do with it.
We're trading directly between ourselves, you know, no one else
should be benefiting from that. So there's been a lot
of been like a paradigm shift taking place in terms

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of people becoming you know, self sufficient, becoming self sufficient.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
All right, well that's the right the twenty four after
the top day Michael Michael redminds. I guess he's a
financial analyst. The Mark in Baltimore City has a question
for in marks on line two Grand Rise in Marketing
with Michael Redmond.

Speaker 7 (21:30):
Yes, the good morning, gentlemen. But we hope everyone had
a meaningful Federal holiday earlier this week. As a typical
Americans consumer, you know, to us, the digital or electronic
currency that you've been talking about in terms of the
on the world market doesn't really have too much meaning
for us. And so my question is, how does this

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contribute to the American economy in terms of supplies and
demands in terms of U marketing? Uh, people the ordinary
systems like me want to get involved with electronic or
how do we know that it's going to be real?
It would be acceptable, you know, and as currency it
is the American currency are going to be soon replaced

(22:14):
by the digital demands, if you will, like everything else
going digital, what do you think it's gonna be the
future to the individual American economy here in our country?
Thank you?

Speaker 6 (22:26):
Yeah, well, the trend is definitely going digital. It'll be
a combination uh you know where uh there'd be you know,
different currencies, uh, like I said, bit going gold, silver,
you know, and the dollars just you know having a
fight right now to stay alive in terms of uh

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international trade and stuff. So it's Uh. I believe it's
going to be a combination to answer your question. But
things are definitely going digital, you know. I believe that
they were talking about cdb c's UH which are you know,
the digital currencies where the government has control. I don't

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think the government is gonna I think they're gonna have
a situation where private companies are doing it. You've heard
about the stable coins and all that, and I think
that they're going to try to use it as a
way to uh bail themselves out in terms of you know,
the bond market, because nobody really want wants shut bonds anymore.

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Everybody from Japan to you know, China and the Russia
you know, are getting rid of treasury bills, stuff that
they've invested in US to invest in a lot over
the years. Right now, you know, bonds are you know,
not very attractive in terms of the international change. So uh,

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they're talking about putting up more money, and every time
they print up more money, it debases the currencies in existence.
So everything is based on confidence autem me I based
don't happen in school. There's nothing backing the money other
than you know, they say the full faith of the
American government and people getting laid off, you know, people

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losing jobs, the artificial intelligence. There's just a lot of
chaos and confusion right now in terms of what's going
to happen in terms of future. So they're talking about,
you know, diversifying into things that cannot be printed up.
You know, gold cannot be printed up, silver cannot be

(24:36):
printed up. Bigcoin, you know, they can't. The government can't
print it up. Nobody owns that oil, you know. So
there's certain commodities that are like earth veneral resources that
are very valuable, and for the most part those resources,
you know, exist outside the United States. So you're going

(24:59):
to see a lot of foreign countries coming up. And
you know, basically they say in terms of investments, you know,
foreign countries are better than investing now than America. Even
though Trump, you know, is talking about he's going to
bring manufacturing back and all that kind of stuff. You know,

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all that's get to be seen.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
So do you think that's the possibility on Michael, those
jobs that were lost overseas, do you see them coming
back to the States.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
Not not to what people think or not to the
way they make it sound like, you know, when we
had an industry like steel meals, you know, stuff like that. No,
I mean, basically it's got to be through innovation, technology
and stuff like that. And even on that end, you know,

(25:51):
I don't know if you're familiar with a gentleman from Zimbabwe,
the engineer from Zimbabwe who came up with these self
viewing cars. You know, So there's a lot of disruption
even in terms of that because they're you know, they're
coming out with cars, uh and those those shelf fuel
of cars are supposed to be it basically you know,
musk in Tesla, you know, in terms of the ev

(26:13):
because they don't need any charging stations. They don't need gas,
They don't need any charging stations or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
So wait a second, I'm curious, So what do they
run on if they don't need gas, they don't need electricity.
These brothers and Bob Way, what do they do? They
reinvented the wheel.

Speaker 6 (26:31):
Well, they came up with just invention in terms of
like an ambient uh energy technology, and it's like built
into the car. You don't need gas, it doesn't run
on gas. You don't need charging stations, you know, I don't.
I'm at an engineer and I don't know you know
everything about it. I've just been you know, following it

(26:52):
and stuff like that, and have has the people who
are talking about EV and charging stations and all that,
and all the companies pretty stick up, you know, including
Elon Musk because it's something that this engineer from Zimbabwe
came up with. And I mean the cars are going

(27:13):
to be you know, you know, like under twenty thousand
dollars of stuff like that was cars, especially used cards
than even new cards that becomes COVID has become very
very expensive.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Right hold, I thought right there thirty minutes after the top,
I got a tweet question for you, Michael Michael Redman's
I guess he's a financial analyst, Juda says, Grand Rising family.
Will you ask your guest U, how's your guests to
compare how he keeps jumping around. How during Trump's last term,
when every company in the US had hiring signs up
and saying they couldn't find any workers, to today where

(27:48):
everybody is laying people off. I guess you once you
compare the differences back then, you know, you pass around
the store to see be help wanted. Now that a
bunch of folks laid off. You don't, you don't hear,
don't see those signs. What's going on with that? I
think that's the genesis of the the tweet.

Speaker 6 (28:03):
Michael, Okay, you're asking about why are people being laid off?

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Basically, No, he's saying, if you could compare back then,
you remember the times when you walk around and see
help wanted into all these store many of these storefronts.
And now a bunch of folks are being laid off,
but you still don't see the help wanted. It wants
you to compare the differences. What happened in between, Well.

Speaker 6 (28:27):
A lot of it had had to do with COVID happened,
and uh, you know, people wanted to stay at home,
they didn't want they didn't want to, you know, go
into the office and stuff and to the larger step
that's still in effect. And then, uh, I think the
whole situation with the pay, I mean the pay. You know,

(28:47):
people's wages have not kept up with inflation, you know
when you look at food and you know rent and yeah,
the fact that the interest rates went up as high
as they went up, you know, people are having trouble,
you know, just making ends to meet I mean, they
were talking about people making six figures, living off you know,
living paycheck to paycheck stuff. You know, California, you know,

(29:12):
places like California, San Francisco, San Jose, Boston, New York,
you know, talking about million dollar houses. You know, here
in Atlanta, average home is you know, four hundred and
fifty thousand, you know, so it takes an income of
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to qualify. People aren't
making that kind of money. And even if they are,

(29:32):
you know, you take out a mortgage, you take it
out for thirty years. So are you going to have
that job and that income for thirty years without any disruption?
You know. So things just seem to be out of
balance and out of control to a large extent. And
you're asking about, you know, the manufacturing coming back like that.
I don't think it had come back like people think

(29:54):
in terms of, you know, how things used to be.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
You know, they want to be jumping. Don't ask you
this though, at twenty seven, since we were on that
road twenty seven away from the top of their family,
just waking up. I guess is Michael Redman, he's a
financial analyst. Those jobs, is it the labor costs that
push these jobs up. Is that why we pay more
for stuff because it's cheaper to offload or manufacture or

(30:18):
have them built overseas or they just be in Mexico
or even Canada for that no matter, and just struck
them across the border or or in Asia and ship
them to the States and where they pay that the
work is you know, pennies on the dollars to what
Americans would take. Is that the problem that Americans won't
work for that for that quote unquote low level pay?
Is that the issue here to me?

Speaker 6 (30:39):
To me, we can't compete in terms of labor COFs.
I mean there's no doubt about that. I mean we're
here in Georgia. You know, the minimum wage is seven
seven twenty five still. I mean a lot of cities
just going up to fifteen dollars. But you know over
the foreign countries they may work you know, all day
or even a week for seven dollars kind of thing.

(31:01):
So we can, Yeah, we can't compete in terms of
labor costs. And now you know, with the advent of
automation and robotics and artifici coming in, they're trying to
get rid of that. You know, let's talk about robo
taxis and driverless cars. You know, that's going to have

(31:23):
a big impact when that happens, because i mean, the
trucking industry, you know, is big here in the United States.
You know, everything moves, you know, it's shipped to the
porch and then from the porch, you know it basically
it's transported you know, by truck, drust and stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
You know. So so let me ask you. They said
we're heading for a financial meltdown, you know, like nineteen
twenty nine. Is that where we're heading.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
That's that's what the experts are predicting. They're saying that
it's going to be worse than two thousand and eight,
and probably competing is not worse than nineteen twenty nine,
that were headed toward a great depression. I mean, you know,
they were a lot of people's question whether we're in

(32:11):
a recession, but you know, two quarters down economic activity,
which we've been in in more than two quarters, we've
already been in the recessing, and the experts in the
prediction that we're going to be in a great depression,
which is why you have the volatility and you have
gold and silver at all time highs and stuff like that,

(32:33):
and even with bitcoin. You know, again, these are things
that cannot be printed up. Dollars can be printed up
and there's nothing to back them, you know, when they
print them up. So it's just they're debasing the currency.
I mean, when you look at how the price of
the houses, the price of cars, is it that those
cars and those houses have really gone up or is

(32:55):
it the fact that the American dollar has gone down.
I would say that the American dollar has gone down.
I mean a dollar prepared to you know, thirty forty
years ago, it's probably worth you know, three cents, where
back then a dollar was worth a dollar, but now
in terms of purchasing power, it's probably worth you know,
it's ninety percent of purchasing power has taken out the

(33:19):
dollar over the last thirty forty years.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
So hold that through right there, Michael, we gotta take
a short break and check the ladies's news, trafficing weather
in different cities. We come back. I got a tweet question.
I'll let you think about this tweet question for one
of our listeners says, will you ask your guest Michael
Redmond with the US and the world all being in
such debt. Where does the funding backing for a cryptocurrency
come from? I let you respond to that when we

(33:41):
get back, family, you two can join our conversation with
our guests. Who is the financial analyst? Your name is
Michael Redmond. Reach out to us at eight hundred four
to five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls after the news that's next and grand
rising family, thanks for waking up with us on this
Wednesday morning, seventeen minutes away from the top of the
hour of our guest to Michael Redmond. Michael is a

(34:01):
financial analyst and he's breaking down to some of the
behind the scenes moves that are taking place, and we
got to ask him how we need to protect ourself
if the economy is going to fall off the cliff.
But before we get to that, let me just remind
you come up later this morning, we're going to hear
from doctor Gerald hornall one of the smartest brothers we
have on the planet. He's going to join us and
were several subjects aus usual with Dr Horne. But before
we hear from doctor Horn, writer Simeon Bookamuhammad is going

(34:24):
to give us an update about UFOs. Reportedly there's a
UFO signing in Baltimore, so we'll talk about that with him.
And tomorrow is the thirty found of Versitiy of the
Million Man March, and one of the architects of the
Million Man March happened to be Quansa created doctor Malanag Karenga.
In fact, one of the first persons that Minister Farkam
called when he decided to do this was was doctor Kurenger.

(34:44):
So he's going to share some behind the scenes emotions
that took place at the meetings and phone calls that
put this the Million Man March and this historic gathering together.
That's going to be tomorrow. So if you are in Baltimore,
make sure your radio is locked in tight on ten
ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV family, were
on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty
w L. All right, Michael, the question the tweet again

(35:07):
for those folks who just waking up. The tweet was,
can you ask Michael Revan, with the US and the
world all being in such debt, where does the funding
or the backing for cryptocurrency come from?

Speaker 5 (35:20):
Son?

Speaker 6 (35:21):
The people basically started out, you know, basically with retail
and individuals, and over the last couple of years, Long
Street has basically got behind it. You have a ETSU
which are electronic trunks, electronic transfer of funds where institutions

(35:44):
and Trump has signed executive orders where retirement accounts, iras,
pension plans and stuff like that and invest into it.
And they haven't really got into it to the degree
that they're going to. And that's why people think it's
going to continue to go up. I mean, it's it's

(36:04):
predicted by a lot of experts in the field that
you know, in the next three to six months, Bitcoin,
which is now about one hundred and twelve thousand dollars,
will be you know, over two hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 8 (36:21):
You know.

Speaker 6 (36:21):
Now, I'm not telling anybody to go out and buy
buy on that you know, information or whatever. But a
lot of people who are getting into a lot of
people who are getting into a dollar cost savaging. It's
just like a savings account, put two or three hundred
dollars a month, you know, into a savings account. We're
putting that two or three hundred dollars a month into bitcoin.

(36:43):
And like I said, when the When the Wall Street,
you know, gets totally behind it, you know they're going
to be encouraging people to put larger amounts. Like I said,
it's like, you know, one two percent traditionally now are
in here. Okay, you should put five or ten percent
in the big coin, and then you should have five

(37:05):
or ten percent in the precious metals like gold and silver,
because again, these these are commodities and things that cannot
be printed up. And until the govern missed out for
printing money out of nothing, you know, our money is
going to continue to debase off fiat currencies that have
had nothing to back. The currencies have never you know,

(37:27):
survived or never sustained themselves very long.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
You think of, you know, great, let me ju me
in asking this though you know you're right the dollars
back by I guess the good will of the American public.
But before we were growing up, they are always talks about
that the gold is in Fort Knox. Did they ever
find out what happened to the gold or who took
it out? If somebody's got it or is it in
somebody's basement right now?

Speaker 6 (37:52):
Has it never been audited? That's the funny thing about it.
I mean even never talk about Trump and Elon Musk
auditing it, but I've never heard over the last forty
fifty years that it's been audited. And basically when Nixon
took it off the gold standard in seventy one, it
was because people other countries who had put their goal

(38:17):
in America because after World War Two, you know, Germany
and Japan and you know, everybody you know was under
construction because of the war. It's like America was the
safest place to be. But the reason why I believe
that they took it off is because the goal wasn't there,

(38:38):
and like I said, it hasn't been audited.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
So somebody I've kind of took our goal, right, is
that what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
Well, they're saying that we have so much gold, but
it's never been audited to my knowledge, So you know,
like anything else, I mean, how are you going to
claim to say you have this and you know you're
not going to be transparent in terms of, you know,
letting the people know that this is what it really is.

(39:07):
Because even like with a lot of the figures, like
you're saying, we can't get the figures now because of
the shutdown, But some money. Of the figures are distorted,
and you know what they want you to believe and
how they want you to act versus you know, giving
you what it really is. I mean, they say, okay,
in facing its two or three percent, I think it's
just not hired than through concent I think it's in

(39:28):
double digits myself. So, uh, you know, you can believe
what you want to believe. But there's you know, the
media in the US propaganda machine, and you know there's
a real deal in terms of what's happening around the world.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
All right, let me interrupt you here and ask you this
question though, ten away from the time Michael Redman's I
guess family, he's a financial analysis. What can we do
to offset that? What should we be doing right now
if the economy falls off of cliff, if we're going
to this depression worse than twenty nine or worse than
oh seven, because you say that the recession is already
here and the next step would be a depression. And

(40:09):
of course the numbers, we can't get the numbers because
the government's shut down, and way even if we get
the numbers, we don't know if they're fudging the numbers.
So for the people listening to us right now. Michael,
what should we be doing with our money our resources?

Speaker 6 (40:23):
Well, I would say diversifying your resources. I mean in
terms of saving money, I don't think other than you know,
you need to pay your bills, pay taxes, things like that.
But in terms of saving money, I think you have

(40:44):
to you know, look at gold, silver in bitcoin as
being alternate investment vehicles, so that you know, five years,
ten years, twenty years, you know, in terms of having
something that maintains your purchase a buyer. Everybody thinks of
it as the money. Okay, you're not going to lose

(41:05):
one hundred dollars, you know, but one hundred dollars doesn't
buy today what it did five years ago. So what's
lost is the purchasing power. So if you look at
it from a standpoint of when you put your money
into something, especially long mid to long term, you know,
will that be worth more than it's worth today?

Speaker 1 (41:26):
All right, let me come to the chase here that Mike,
should we be putting money in our savings accounts of
the banks, do you foresee if DIC collapsing, or should
we put the money under the mattress or you know,
you're saying buy these other things. Will they succeptal to
be impacted if the economy falls off the cliff or

(41:48):
what should we do?

Speaker 6 (41:51):
Well, I believe you should be buying you know, gold,
silver coins. I mean you can buy paper, you know,
gold and silver, but I'm saying coins something that if
the economy comes to halt, you can use your gold
and silver to you know, transact business with. It's just
like back in the day, you know, when they had

(42:14):
you know, silver coins, they had silver certificates and stuff
like that. I mean, gold and silver are coming back
to actually bring money again in my estimation, you know,
and they're talking about a reset of the of the
economy in terms of gold. Because the deficit in the

(42:38):
United States deficit is like over thirty seven trillion dollars
every ninety or to one hundred days. We're paying a
trellion dollars worth interest on that debt that is unsustainable.
So it's basically.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Who's that debt, Michael, who are we paying? Who's is
it the Chinese, it's the Japanese? Is Who's who do
we owe the most money to? Or who I should
say the government owes the most money to?

Speaker 6 (43:08):
Uh yeah. I mean it's basically we come up with
short on in terms of trade trade every year. Like
the Chinese, you know, they have a surf of us.
You know, you know, we have a deficit, and a
lot of it has to do with the our entitlement programs,
you know, military spending, social Security, even though you know

(43:32):
we pay in in social Security, but like when Social
Security first started, there was like seven people paying in
for every one person. Now is like three people paying
in for every one person. H It's just that, you know,
when you live I don't care if your individual or

(43:52):
your government, but when you live beyond your means, you're
going to be broken. I mean, people are living off
off their credit guard people living off their credit cards.
I hear report that people can't even come up with
five six hundred dollars for emergency and stuff, and it
seems to be getting worse than getting better. So my

(44:15):
thing is that my advice leader is definitely, you know,
save money outside of the American dollar. I mean, yeah,
you need American dollars to the pay bills, buy groceries,
they taxes and stuff like that, but you're saving the
savor college education or you know something in the mid

(44:39):
the long term future, you need to put your money
in the silver in particular. I would say gold is
more institutional the Fed, but I mean you get better bargain.
Silver is going for like fifty one dollars right now
versus gold going for four thousand, So you know, I

(45:00):
would say so would be the better of the two
to invest in. But you know, if they reset, they're
going to reset to the gold price and at the
civil price, and that's a coin. This thing is going
to continue to go out, all.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Right, stix away from the top of the bricks. We
haven't talked about brick the bricks nations yet because they
are they still organizing to create their own currency if
they abandon that, or are they just going to have
a digital conturgency or are they going to call us
against one of the nations, say the Chinese want or
something like that. What are you hearing about bricks.

Speaker 6 (45:38):
Bricks is basically coming up. They've come up with their
own payment system, you know, where they're doing more deals
between themselves. They don't have to use the switch system.
You know, they're coming up with their own payment system.
They're using their own currency. So everything before was sort
of global and international. But now because they don't feel

(46:03):
that they're getting, you know, nothing for the buck, they're
basically want to use you know, their resources like gold
instead of dollars, stuff their commodities, you know, gold, oil, diamonds,
you know, things like that. So I believe that they're
going to be going two, We're going to go back

(46:25):
to some kind of backing, you know with gold and silver.
And you know, their their their economies, boring economies in
terms of bricks because you know, bricks had like five
they had Brazil, rest of India, China, and South Africa.
Now they have Egypt, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Iran, and the United

(46:50):
Arab Emirates and there's probably about another thirty countries that
want to join. So they seem to be the growing
you know economies because they have a lot of the
earth minimum resources and they're trying to protect those in
that be exploited by the West, which has traditionally happened.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Right hold. I thought, right there, Michael, we got to
take the traffic weather out of different cities. When we
come back, though, explain to the audience at bricks is
in competition of the United States or is it in
competition with Europe and the United States together. Explain that
first when we get back, families four minutes away from
the top day out, we got to take the trafficking
weather out different cities. I guess it's Michael Redmand. Michael
is a financial analyst. You got a question for him?

(47:35):
Reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy sixth we'll take your phone calls
after the trafficing weather update.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
That's next.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
And Grand Rising family, thanks so waking up with us
on this Wednesday morning. It's a hunt deer. We're halfway
through the work week. I guess this Michael Redmand. Michael
is a financial analyst. Then, Michael, I'm less you finish
your response about the brick nations, and then I got
a tweeter sent me a question for you as well.

Speaker 6 (47:57):
Okay, basically, the bricks are you know, section the muscles
if you will, because of the sanctions and the tariffs
that the Western United States, Europe, you know, and other
countries have put against them stuff. So they're section the

(48:23):
muscles and they want to do trade amongst themselves, and
they do trade amongst theirselves. They don't want Canada, I
mean they don't want to France, they don't want the
United States the crop from that. H it's uh. I
guess you'd say it's basically like a coming out where

(48:45):
they're just being self determined and they're not going to
have the Western world basically punished them, you know, for
keeping money you know in Western bank accounts and stuff debt.
So there is competition between uh miwer East Asian countries

(49:07):
now with Western countries. I mean there was the I
m F and the World Economical Now they have counter
in terms of development banks and you know, uh institutions
that basically match the I m F and the World
Economic form and stuff. So yeah, there is a competition now.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
All right, twet tweeted once go ahead, I finished up.

Speaker 6 (49:34):
So I was asking what was the next question?

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Oh, then tweet question I was going to Tweeter says,
do you need a financial advisor to purchase gold and
other commodities? Can you just is there a place you
can just go and buy the gold? I guess that's
the essence of the question.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
Yeah, yeah, you have to find a recordable gold or
precious metals dealer that uh, you know to you know
buy or know somebody who's selling you know, their personal
stats directly. But normally you would have to go through
a dealer to buy gold, sugar, you know, precious metals

(50:15):
and stuff like that. So some people you know, will
buy jewelry as a way to miss in that if
you want to buy like bullion coins or whatever, and
you go through good dealer.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
All right, before we let you go though, because I guess,
I guess everybody's on the same page. When it comes
at the economy is going to fall off the cliff?
Are there any more telltale signs that we can say, hey,
it's happening, or six months, over a year out from it?
Is any signs that you can tell so that we
can look forward, so we can start, you know, except

(50:50):
of our game to be prepared when it happens.

Speaker 6 (50:54):
Well, I think it's over the last well the eighteen months,
you know, the way things have been working out, you know,
the government shut down, people are losing jobs, you know.
I mean, it's it's happening. I mean basically until there's

(51:15):
a turnaround in terms of the deficit and the government
gets the spending under control. I just see things, you know,
not really change it. I mean, it's not going to
get any better. I think inflation is going to continue
to get higher. Matter of fact, they're talking about, you know,
if they start putting up more money, we're going to
go into hyperinflation, where again prices are getting higher, but

(51:39):
the wages aren't keeping up, so there's the imbalance. Things
are out of control. And uh, I.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Mean, because this isn't a financial question, this is a
politic question, Michael, they do deliberately, I think.

Speaker 6 (51:53):
So, yeah, yeah, they're they're they're debating the currency, uh
said of like even raising taxes. You know, if inflation
is a tax in and of itself, and people don't
you know, aren't able to point their fingers say okay,
well you're doing is you're doing that when it's inflation.

(52:14):
You know where they come out, you know, and they
say they're taxing everybody, and everybody's going to be up
and arms. So yeah, I mean, to me, it is
like they are doing it from the standpoint of, you know,
trying to pay off the deficit. Okay, and basically you
know who's going to pay it off. It's the people.

(52:34):
Just like people usually pay it off through taxes, they
can pay it off through higher inflation. Then the government
doesn't get played for it.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
So it's sort of another question real quick, you know.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
The way of doing it?

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Huh the tariffs is that another tax? How do you
see the tars?

Speaker 6 (52:56):
Yeah, it's having it's having a negative impact. A lot
of major businesses are talking about moving to Canada to
circumvent and get away from the tariffs. So I mean again,
you know, every action there's a reaction, and that action
can be positive or it can be negative, you know,
depending on the outcome and a lot of senses. You know,

(53:20):
the sanction and the terror for ment to have a
positive impact, but in many respects they've had a negative impact.
So it seems like they've brought a lot of the
foreign countries more into alignment saying that hey, you know,
we're not gonna be punished or we're not gonna you know,

(53:40):
just take you know what's happening to us laying down,
We're going to fight back and you know, exercise our
own autonomy and trying to make things better for our
own country and stuff. So, like I said, Africa has
been booting out for France in terms of you know,
their economy, which is why Europe is hurting and a

(54:03):
lot of uh, the trade that was even with America. Now, uh,
you know I ran and China, I ran in Russia.
You know Indian you know, uh you have Indian Russia
that had three billion people out of the epig eight
billion people on Earth. So even from a strictly math

(54:26):
or population standpoint, we've had control over you know, things
because we had the reserve currency. But people are fighting
back against that. They're saying, hey, we want more, more
of a fair share in terms of the international pie
being split up, and uh, you know that's what's happened.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Wow, not a pretty picture. I hope folks are listening.
I hope you folks heard what you said this morning.
Finally you came up. Are you just waking up and
waking up late? Make sure you get a copy of
the podcast with Michael Redmond. Michael, how can folks reach you?
And you on you on social media? You've got an
email address that folks want more information, want to keep
up with MW.

Speaker 6 (55:05):
Redman two two three at gmail dot com. And uh,
I mean you know they can call me at you know,
four oh four to zero seven sixty sixty five seven.
That's four zero four to zero seven sixty sixty five
seven have any questions or whatever. But email is probably
the best way to reach out to me because you

(55:26):
can put it in writing and then you know I
can respond to it.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Stuff like email address one more time.

Speaker 6 (55:34):
Email addresses MW. Redman R E D M O N
D two two three at gmail dot com. It's MW.
Redman two two three at gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
All right, Michael, thank you, Thank you for sharing your
experiences and thank you for responding to all the calls
and questions for us this morning.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
No problem. Thank you for you know, the opportunity to
be a service to people. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
That's what we do. Thank you, Michael Radmond ten after
the top of our family. Michael is a financial analyst.
I've known him for quite some time. He tried to
get me to read magazines like Ink, always trying to
get me to be an investor. This was thirty forty
years ago, right, so in our age, thanks Mike ted

(56:21):
to tell our family, let's stair attention to that to
write a sim in book of Mohamed Shim and book
of Ohamme grand rising brother, Salama Lico and welcome back
to the program.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
Salama, glad to be back.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Thank you of course, we'd love to have you because
we're having some incredible discussions about UFOs. And I got
to admit, before I started, you know, having conversations with you,
I was one of those these skeptics. I don't believe
in UFOs. You know, I'm one of those guys who
don't watch all those kind of movies about you know,
way out stuff out there. It's like, Okay. Then I

(56:56):
started listening to what you were telling us, and the
fact that the government has been dealing with UFOs quite
some time, and they have all these fly files that
were classified and Donald Trump has been threatening to release them.
What's the latest. Has he released any of the files
on the UFOs yet?

Speaker 5 (57:13):
Uh No not. Basically, there have been declassified files since
you know, he campaigned on that and came into office.
But the the grand you know, disclosure, disclosure release or
what people were expecting has not happened. The congressional hearings,

(57:37):
the Congress, Senate, you know, they're in grid lack of course,
the nation's now in a shutdown. And even though the
UFO UAP issue was something there seemed to be some
bipartisan interest in you know, the h that has been

(58:01):
affected you know, by the you know, lack of communication
and the infighting in Congress or the gridlock. So it
is basically not much happening with that. The real disclosure
is just happening before our eyes every day, you know,
here and across the world. And that's pretty much where

(58:24):
we are. As a matter of fact. It's interesting as
we speak, the NATO Defense ministers are meeting in Brussels
and drawn encouragements throughout Europe is not the least of
the issues they're discussing. So you know, this is building.

(58:47):
The sightings are increasing, the public interest and demand to
know more is increasing, and you know we're basically nothing
from the government on this at this point.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
All right, help us out here. Thirteen half that top
of the family. I guess he's a writer, Simon book
of Mohammadi. He's done a lot of research on UFOs,
brother Simeon. How do we know what we if we
look at the skies and first question, are the UFO
is only seen at night? That's first?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
And two?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
If so, how do we know it's the UFO? How
do we know it's not a drawn or a shooting
star or chemtrails? How do we know that? How can
we tell the difference.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
Okay, well, it appears that there are more sightings at night,
but their sightings during the daytime as well, and that's
been the case throughout history, and we haven't been discussing
it much. But we're not just talking about in the skies.
We're talking about in the waters in the oceans too.

(59:56):
You have the unidentifiedcible objects that the Navy and other
military have been reporting for decades as well. So when
you talk about UFOs, uh, you know, you can look
at it from this standpoint natural phenomena prosaic as they

(01:00:21):
call it, just normal things occurring in the skies that
people are not familiar with or they misidentify, like lights, birds,
that type of thing that happened regularly. Now there could
also be phenomenon like that that doesn't happen regularly, so
the perceiver is not familiar with it and you know,

(01:00:45):
might consider it to be something else. At the same time,
we have the what people are calling the reversed engineered
vehicles from government and private industry. From UFOs that have
been retrieved, you have the possibility of advanced drones and

(01:01:13):
advance you a you know, unmanned area of vehicles that
have been developed over the years that people are not
aware of. And we have the possibility of you know,
that same type of thing from government and industries from
foreign nations. And then we have the real phenomenon which

(01:01:35):
the government now admits and people have been talking about
for years. And that's the intelligence behind the mother craft,
the mother wheel, the smaller crafts inside of that that
have been reported for decades. And now you have government

(01:01:55):
officials talking about the motherships and the planes and that
type of thing. And that takes us back to black
people in America and the nation of this Slam circ
in nineteen thirty. Who are the intellectual authors you know,
of this concept and phenomenon. You can also look at.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
And hold left though. Right there we got to step
aside for a few moments of same. And when you
come back though, tell us what did the nation though
back then then? How people are talking about Because when
the nation is started about UFOs, people say, oh, there's
those black Muslims. They're crazy, you know, as part of
their thinking, you know, they're out there. What did they
find out that they were talking about back then? Now
people saying, hey, they were right sixteen after the top.

(01:02:39):
They have family, You want to jump in on this
conversation with brother Simeon Book of Muhammad. Reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six discussing UFOs. What are your thoughts. We'll take
your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for
starting your Wednesday with us. Is twenty minutes after the top.
They are, I guess is writer Simon Book of Muhammad.
If you're familiar with the name Simeon Book, if you
if if you followed what's been going on in the

(01:03:02):
writing animals? You know, his his father and his brother,
famous writers. Simeon Book of Mohamma, though is a member
of the Nation of Islam as many of his families
members are. And the question I put to him, you know,
because we're talking about UFOs. Back in the day when
they used to call the Nation of Islam, they used
to go on black Muslims. I remember that way back then,
and they were talking about UFOs and the starships and

(01:03:25):
people saying, oh that's not those are crazy Muslims, and
those crazy black Muslims their way out there. Da da
da da da dae try to put him down. And
now we talk about the mothership and all that kind
of sting. They made songs about it. But now we
find out the government has been had been monitoring in
UFOs all this time, and all this information, by the way,
families classified, they still haven't released, even though Donald Trump

(01:03:47):
has threatened to release them. So my question to brother
Simeon was what did the nation though back then that
the rest of the country or the rest of the
world apparently did not know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
Okay, well, first, let me say there is a lot
of there's much declassified information out there, and let me
just finish up on the characteristics of the phenomena, you know,
in terms of what people might be looking for, and
you're talking about instant acceleration, you know, like objects going

(01:04:19):
from still to super speeds or moving with no apparent
power source or propulsion, no apparent appendages on the outside
to just smooth surfaces. These objects can be trans medium,

(01:04:44):
you know, and they can go from the air to
water to space. And the other characteristic would be intelligent interaction,
so you know, the observer or the experiencer sees or
experiences intelligence, you know, from this phenomenon. And you know,

(01:05:07):
going back to nineteen thirty and the beginning of this
in the modern era with the nation. You know, master
fraud Muhammad told the messenger Deanna Bloy Elijah Muhammad about
the mother wheel and the planes and what have you.

(01:05:27):
And you know, from from that point on, you know,
we have you know, you saw a group of people organizing, experiencing, publishing,

(01:05:47):
and teaching about this phenomenon. Going back to again nineteen
thirty and it was in the forties that it appears
that the you know, governm and through surveillance of the
nation became aware of this phenomena and these teachings, you know,
and actually through surveillance learned more and actually raided the

(01:06:15):
offices and you know, the messenger was arrested at you know,
at some point. So it appears that the government had
this information from this source with actual records. And then
in the forties we started having these this this increase

(01:06:35):
in sightings from the food fighters and World War two,
from the sighting over Washington in nineteen forty seven roswell,
you know, leading to the current day.

Speaker 9 (01:06:48):
So you know, the.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
Intellectual authorship again goes back to black people and the nation.
Now prior to that, you know, we can go back
into ancient times and religions and civilizations, and this phenomenon
is recorded and known about for time immemorial. It's just

(01:07:14):
that the public hasn't been filled in and it's pretty
much the same way today, and with the power of
media and excuse me, in society, you know, people are scared, fearful, reluctant,
very tentative to even address this information, so they repress it.

(01:07:39):
And you know, I think the psychological effect of this
is deep and just cannot be estimated at this point
because it's so great. And then you add what we're

(01:08:00):
seeing in disguise with everything else is going that's going
on in the world. You know, as we were talking,
I was listening to your earlier guests talking about the
economics and the bricks formerly called you know, the underline nation,
so to speak. And you know, we're in a very
pivotal time in history.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Twenty six after the top, do we brother sim in
Book of Muhammad? A tweet question for you. Two tweet questions.
Ask your guest what countries have reported UFOs the most?
That's the first one.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
What excuse me? What country?

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Yeah, what countries of reporting the UFOs the most? Is
it this one?

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
Yes, it's definitely the US. No, there's no question about that.
And there are a lot of sightings reported in Mexico
and other places. And as we mentioned earlier, you know,
the the the rash of swarms of UFOs over europe

(01:09:08):
airports as we speak, but definitely the US it has
the highest recorded UH number. And you know that could
very simply be the fact that you know, look at
the power of the United States and the media presence
of the United States, you know, to influence people in

(01:09:33):
world and the world and world events.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Well, let me ask you enemy, I've asked this question.
How much of what we're seeing and what you're talking
about is biblical?

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
Well, I mean, it's it appears that a great bit
of it is biblical because you can go to the
you know, the Bible and the Kuran, the Torah, ancient
Indian texts, indigenous cultures and their oral histories, and we

(01:10:08):
find and and that's why I mentioned earlier, we find
this ancient intelligence apparently that you could say is timeless,
and that's pretty much what we're dealing with today.

Speaker 8 (01:10:28):
And you know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
It, I was just going to say, it's clear clear
that's something that's going on, and it's a link to
the distance path to the distant past up until the present.
It's tied into world events, and it's tied into wealth,

(01:10:52):
disparity on the planet and social justice. It's lacking on
the planet, and there's acting with all of that. But
you know, you don't hear or or see that being
discussed in the current narrative.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
All Right, I got another tweet question for you twenty
eight after the top of the Oh, if you're just
checking in family Simeon Booker Muhammadi. It's an expert on
UFOs and is giving us an update on the UFO sightings.
And we're going to talk about mostly they still want
in Baltimore. But before we get to that, though, this
tweets and I'm not familiar with it with this particular question,
but anyway, is the tweet ask our guest to talk

(01:11:31):
about the Bonnie and Betty Hill interracial couple UFO abduction
incident in the sixties. I'm just wondering, is this from
the cartoon or is this Are you familiar with this, brother, Simeon, Oh, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
That excuse me. That's one of the most famous UFO
abduction incidents and the Hills, a married couple, an interracial
married couple.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Lee.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
He was the head of the NAACP in that area,
and yeah, that was a huge event that happened back then.
They were put through all types of tests, psychological tests,

(01:12:22):
lie detective tests, spawned movies, and it was a huge event.
And some people tie the negative reaction that Barney Hill
got being black, and you know, the negative response to

(01:12:44):
their interracial marriage tied into the UFO situation. You know,
some people look at that as being one of the
reasons that black or reluctant blacks are reluctant to even
talk or speak about this issue or get involved with it.

(01:13:05):
But that incident, along with the Aral school incident in Zimbabwe, Africa,
are probably two of the most famous UFO incidents and
stories or media.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Wow I'm in school here twenty nine away from the
top that we see him in the Book of Mohammed.
We've given us an update on UFOs and family. You
got to have an open mind when you hear some
of these discussions. Don't please, don't close off your mind.
Just keep listening and anything you hear, just research it.
That's all we ask you to do on this program.
But brothers, here, my question, how do you because I
don't think you answer the question. Maybe it didn't give

(01:13:46):
you a chance to finish responding. How do you know
the difference when you see the flying object in the sky,
How do you know if it's not a drone? How
do you know it's not the wind share or some
other stuff, or how do you know you know it
is a let's put it in, how do you know
it is a UFO?

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
Well, I mean, by by definition, if you're observing something
and you can't discern or identify what it is, then
it's an unidentified object, whether it's flying or in the water.
And so if you for the layman, if they're if

(01:14:32):
people are seeing something that they're not familiar with, that
they don't see in their everyday life, it's not part
of their experience, then that should send up a red
flag or at least say this is something we need
to look into. But you know, I went over the
characteristics of generally the characteristics when we're talking about the

(01:14:57):
instantaneous acceleration, you know, like from zero to super speed
in a second, no apparent surface appenditures, no visible propulsion
silence normally with lights able to have trans medium capabilities

(01:15:27):
going into the water out of the water into space,
and intelligence intelligent interaction. So those are the characteristics of
a UFO. Other objects may or may not have some
of those characteristics. But for even experts to look in

(01:15:49):
the sky and tell something is this or that is
rather difficult to do. But what you can do is
know what you're being and analyze it. I think one
thing that's that's missing is, you know, there's you know,
all of these videos and photos and everything else, and

(01:16:12):
in order to analyze this type of thing, it's very expensive,
and so you know, you have many things that could
be real, they could be fake, And I mean the
only re the only way you can get to the
bottom of it is observing, focusing and studying it and

(01:16:34):
researching it and doing this over a period of time.
But I don't think there are any easy answers to,
you know, answer that question. You know, normal drones have
certain flying characteristics, but what's been been seen lately the

(01:16:56):
last several years, these objects don't exhibit the usual characteristics
of drones that people are used to sing, which leads
to these drones could be some government or you know,
private industry tech development, or they could be something else.

(01:17:19):
We just don't know, And when you know the source
that you're supposed to be able to get this information
from the government, your society, the systems and the society
are not answering the question, are in fact indeed covering
it up. Then people are, you know, really in a

(01:17:39):
situation where they have to just accept being ignorant about
it and not try to find out or be proactive
and find out what's going on in exercise and human
rights to know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Twenty four away from the topic, we've got to get
a step asund and up with the ladies and news, trafficking,
weather of different cities. When we come back the Simon
Book of Muhammad, these sidings, and we'll talk about the
signings in Baltimore. But these signings are they usually out
in the desert, or they're in urban centers, or they're
all over the place. You explain where people are seeing them,
because you know, is are they in the inner city

(01:18:19):
for example, what do you see or if they're just
scattered globally. I'll let you explain that. When we get back.
Family YouTube can join our conversation. We brother Simeon Book
of Mohammad. We're doing a lot of research in UFOs.
What are your thoughts. Do you believe it or not?
Reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take a
phone calls after the news. Trafficking weather that's next and

(01:18:40):
grand rising family and thanks are starting your Wednesday with us.
It's a hump day. We're halfway through the work week.
It's sixteen minutes away from the top of the out
of that guest the Simeon Book of Mohammed. He's done
a lot of research in Tufos. Get back to him
in the moment. Let me just remind you. Coming up
later this morning, we speak with doctor Jerald Horne, one
of the smartest brothers we have on the planet from
the University of Houston. We're going to tackle several topics

(01:19:00):
as per usual with Dr Horn. And by the way,
he's going to be in town this weekend. If you're
in Washington, DC area, any part of the DMV, make
sure you go out and see doctor Horn. We'll give
you all information later as well. And tomorrow we're going
to celebrate the thirtieth anniversary of the Milan Man March
and one of the architects of the march there was
a doctor Malana Krenka, you know from Kwanza, but he
was one of the first persons that Minister Farcon called

(01:19:23):
when he decided to put on this venture, and in fact,
doctor Crankin wrote the manifesto for the Millian Man March.
So we're going to talk about all those meetings, those
phone calls and some of the people other people that
are involved, as much as he can share with us.
We're going to hear about that tomorrow. So if you
are in Baltimore, make sure you keep you ready to
locked in tight on ten ten WLB or if you
him at DMV. We're on FM ninety five point nine

(01:19:43):
and AM fourteen fifty WOL. All right, brother, see me
in the Book of Mohammed questions you where are these
signings mostly seeing the UFOs? Are they in urban centers,
are in the country side or the deserted places? And
the recent explain to us as the recent, I understand
what's in Baltimore.

Speaker 5 (01:20:04):
Okay, Well, the sightings are seen everywhere, in urban areas
and rural areas, and particularly in indigenous areas where these
sightings are just in their culture and they're used to

(01:20:26):
seeing for time immemorial. So they can be seen anywhere.
The people in airplanes have seen these things. They've been
some of the most credible sightings, it appears, so they
can literally be seen anywhere. The clip I sent you
I just saw yesterday kind of not long after you

(01:20:51):
called me from Baltimore. And you know, that's a good
example of something that is is unidentified. It's an unidentified
object until it is identified. This idea or this disinformation
misinformation that everything we're seeing in disguise now are drones.

(01:21:17):
That's that's just not true. That's just this information and
part of the cover up. So be an object in Baltimore,
I'm not sure what that is. And that's really the
honest answer. But that's what millions of people have been seeing,
you know, themselves individually or you know, on television, you know,

(01:21:43):
like we experienced during and I always go back to
the end of twenty twenty four, early twenty twenty five,
where we just had a flurry of swarms of UFOs
over America. So what what are they? And you know,

(01:22:06):
if we have all of these unidentified objects, why aren't
people's congressional representatives doing more about it? I mean, we're
not even hearing about this UFO phenomena on the news
or anywhere right now. So if the new you know,

(01:22:28):
the mainstream legacy news covers it, then people see it
and are talking about it. But if the legacy news
doesn't cover it, then people are not talking about it.

Speaker 9 (01:22:38):
It's like out of.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
Sight, out of mind.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Is that deliberate? Interesting that let me jump and ask
you that is that deliberate that the news legacy news
agencies are refusing to report on this. And by the way, family,
one of our listeners tell us, you can see this
on YouTube, the UFO signing over Baltimore go ahead. Is
this deliberate why they're keeping this information from us?

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
It's absolutely deliver it. And it's no accident that the
government UFO programs are called legacy programs and the mainstream
media is called the legacy media because they're connected and
it's hood up and it's it's all together. So you know,

(01:23:22):
we're definitely being deceived, and there's a cover up in
terms of they're actually you know that you can admit
something exists and then cover it up. So there's a
cover up about the existence of this phenomenon and what
it is and what it's not, And there's a cover

(01:23:44):
up about the origin of the phenomenon that is indigenous,
and there's a cover up about the modern day origin
of this phenomenon that we see and talk about all
the time now, and that's from black people in America.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
Do you think that this is why it's sort of
because you know, the Nations was talking about this way
back when Minister for Dd and Elijah Muhammad, they were
having these discussions about these the Mothership and these UFOs.
Do you think this is the reason why it's it's
sort of been pushed to the side by mainstream media
because he's coming. The genesis of the discussion started with

(01:24:28):
your group.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
I'm absolutely there, absolutely no question about that. I mean,
we have been covering this since the nineteen thirties. I mean,
and my family has been on this since the seventies.
My cousin John Woodford wrote for Mohammed Speaks and was

(01:24:56):
the editor in chief from Muhammad Speaks in the early seventies.
My brother Abdul Wali Mohammad was the editor in chief
of The Final Call from the eighties to the early nineties. So,
you know, the government, the mainstream media, the controllers, they

(01:25:16):
know this, they know about this. They know what's going
on with this, and nobody's talking about it or reporting it.
It is just if it wasn't true, it would be bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Oh wow. Ten away from the top. I got to
ask you this though, about the UFO and the oceans. Uh,
you know, this is the first time I'm here. I've
heard about UFOs in diskies with you said, and the
seas on the water their UFOs.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
Oh, yes, one of the whistle blowers. I mean, technically
I don't consider these people whistle blowers because they're not
telling everything they know for fear of retribution or death.
But one of the people that has testified recent the

(01:26:08):
last several years is I think former now we're Admiral
Timothy Gallahdet from the Navy, and he has testified of
reports of sightings underwater of objects the size of a
football field traveling at super incredible speeds when modern technology

(01:26:35):
can only go three forty knots under the water. This
has been part of the narrative and phenomenon from the
beginning too. It's just kind of got it just you know,
isn't talked about as much, but it's just as evident
and important because especially when you look at the transmedian

(01:26:57):
medium abilities to go in and out of the wader
in the.

Speaker 6 (01:27:00):
Space all right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Eight away from the top of all. Mike's checking in
from DC. Has a question or comment for yours online
one Grand Rising, Mike, youan we brother Simon, Book of Muhammad.

Speaker 8 (01:27:13):
Good morning missus Muhammad, and good morning Grand Rising to
mister Nelson and mister Kevin, Sarah, you're absolutely right. The
United States Navy. Just after forty years I explained to
mister Kevin that I was a part of special operation
at Phibia Steels in the North Atlantic and the Arctic
Ocean where the Northern Lights were, and I saw something

(01:27:34):
and what happens that they they put it in the law,
but then they took it out. So for forty I
didn't realize when I got back to the States, I
was telling mister Kevin, I came back to Portsmouth Naval Base.
I didn't know what's going on. I was a young
Stemens at particular time. And then from there they took
me to Langland Air Force Base. I had no idea
what the world. Langland Air Force Base was realizing later

(01:27:55):
on in life, de was the CIA headquarters. They interrogated me,
they put me in. They threaten they put me in
the straight jacket, shoot me up, put me in jail.
Couldn't talk about it. So then forty years later, you know,
the congressional hearings. We just had a couple couple of
years ago. I was a part of congressional hearings. And
like you said, so you're an African American, senior African American.

(01:28:15):
Not many black people talk about these things.

Speaker 6 (01:28:17):
It would be a.

Speaker 8 (01:28:17):
Big disturbance in the whole world order of religion that
they were to reveal the truth. A lot of our
old ships were analogues because of the things that they
found in Area fifty one and all these things. That's
why we have the technology now that you talk about now,
mister Nelson about AI know, we got all this stuff
off the instruments of these ships, of the vessel they

(01:28:38):
were wearing the crowns, and that's why we had the
technology we had now at that time was a part
of the drones, the first drones that came out, the
satellite GPS systems, the cell phones and stuff like that.
So the elcats you probably heard the elkacks when they
landed in normally the beach. They come on the beach
and the Ramskin. They came find out we had the
hubbercraft and stuff like that, so I was a part

(01:28:59):
of that stuff. But this stuff is very very truth.
I'm supposed to be going to the uh Antarctica, Antartica.
There's a lot of things that spiritual called me to
go to Antarctica. There's a lot of things coming out
of water there. So these things are definitely true. That
would be a big disorder, a disturbance in the tire
realm of the lies of religion in the world and
to control of religion. They can't reveal this and to

(01:29:22):
know that, you know, something is more superior to us
they're having. They don't want to feel it because we
can't handle it. A lot of times we can't handle
the truth, know what I'm saying. So the government doesn't
want to tell us everything because.

Speaker 10 (01:29:35):
We would just be so confused.

Speaker 8 (01:29:36):
It's just it's just too much to talk about. You know.
The government has to pay me now. So yeah, you're right,
Thank you, Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Mike brother Simon, you want to respond anything you said.

Speaker 5 (01:29:47):
Oh, thank you so much for calling in. Oh that
that was really refreshing to hear somebody talk like that.
And I agree with everything that that the caller said
is basically true. I mean, there's absolutely no question about this.

(01:30:08):
And whether you're talking about Above Top Secret, which is
a book that came out years ago that I wrote
a review for the Final Call on whether you're talking
about Above Top Secret because they don't want this information
to get out because it would it would just upturn

(01:30:37):
upside down the world order that we've lived in today,
or whether you want to go to Boba Dick Gregory
who basically used to say the same thing about you know,
they can't let this come out about you know, UFOs
and black people and all of this because it would

(01:30:58):
just disturb the world order, the government's religion and what
have you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Right, I love that thought right there. We got to
take another look at the traffic and weather. I want
you to expound on that. The fear of all this
information coming out and how the role the black man
or the African man plays in all of this. I
want you expound that when we get back. But we
got to take a quick look at the traffic and
weather in at different cities. It's four minutes away from
the top of the our family. I guess there's brother
Simeon Book of Mohammed. He's a researcher into UFOs. What

(01:31:25):
are your thoughts? Reach out to us at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls after the traffic and weather update that's next,
and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on
this Wednesday morning. I guess there's Brother Simeon Book of Mohammad.
The Brother Simeon has worked and done a lot of
research into UFOs and that's what we're discussing this morning.
And let's usually once you to have an open minded
or some people just I don't believe in that kind

(01:31:46):
of stuff and they push you to the corner. But
just listen and if anything piques your interest, just researching.
Don't believe everything you hear, and this is not just
for Brother Simon, but anything you hear on this program
and you have concerns, just researching. That's all we're asking
you to do to seem I got two tweets for you,
but I'll let you finish your thought first and then
I'll ask the tweet questions for you.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
Okay, first, I'd like to just comment about the last caller,
just to differentiate CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, and then
Langley Air Force Base which is further south, and Langley
Air Force Base, for example, has really been a hotbed

(01:32:31):
of UFO of activity, and in twenty twenty three it
basically was closed down the flights was closed down for
seventeen days straight for UFO incursions into their secure airspace.
And so in terms of UFOs worldwide, So if we

(01:32:54):
look at the United States and all the sightings here,
particularly the last several years up until now, and what's
going on as we speak in Europe, we're seeing these
sightings and you can help but connect the dots to

(01:33:17):
the power centers of the world in American Europe with
economic and military control and the disparity and the wealth
disparity between those areas of the world and the rest
of the world, and the just incredible wealth disparity gaps

(01:33:44):
that exist from the exploitation of indigenous people and indigenous
people's lands around the world. And I cannot help but
see a connection between that uh phenomena and the the

(01:34:05):
UFO phenomenon and taking that yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Know that thought right there, because we've got another guest
coming up. I got I want to and if you
can show up on the response, I appreciate. But I
got two real good questions for you, brother Simen. I
take the first one, ask mister Booker Muhammad does he
think these UFOs are energy spirits of our past ancestors
and the reason most people don't see them is because
they don't know what they're looking for. That's the first one.

Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
I think. I think that's definitely, uh, there's something to that,
and that's a possibility, and you know, you connect that
with diblical stories of angels and visitations and things of
that nature, then I think that's definitely something on the

(01:34:55):
table uh to be analyzed, but personally I'm events of that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Okay. Second one, it's kind of long to follow. It says.
The tweet says, are you familiar with Baba Credo Mutwa?
And I'll tell you a story about him in the
moment because I'm familiar with him. We interviewed him. Anyway,
it goes, are you familiar with Baba Credo and Mudua,
the great Black Zangum artists and healer from South Africa
who was considered such a highly evolved priest in his

(01:35:25):
country that the world that he was likened to the
ocean whale that gives off a sound in the ocean
that cann't be heard in out of space but cannot
be recorded by modern technology, and lets the inverse know
that all is well on the Earth. Goes on to
say he was abducted by aliens from out of space
several times and reported on those abductions and wrote about
them in his books. And the question is for you, Goes,

(01:35:48):
do you believe that the increased signings of UFOs are
a sign of the coming of end times mentioned in
the Bible as the chariots of God?

Speaker 10 (01:35:58):
It is.

Speaker 5 (01:36:00):
It's interesting. I was just looking at one of that
brother's videos yesterday. I've seen others, and I don't think
there's any question about in terms of the end times.
You know, people have different thoughts and definitions of what

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that is. But I don't think there's any question that
we're seeing a rapid and gradual at the same time
decline in the world order, and we're seeing an energy
of spirit and excitement for freedom and social justice across

(01:36:47):
the world. And I don't think there are any coincidences
like that. It's all connected.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Yeah, And he mentioned about Credo MD from South African
we did an interview with him. I was recommended by
David Ike David acause one of these Dig Gregory's partners.
It's like the Dig Gregory of the UK. You know,
he's comes with all these ideas. Are you familiar with them? Okay.
We used to interview him quite a bit as well,
and uh he he yeah. He recommended Crude and Mutra

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in South Africa. We interviewed him and it was interesting.
They when we got it, got the phone call with
they had to go find him. So we're on there
for for a few minutes while they're trying to find
creed him up and he shared some phenomenal information with us.
I can recall what we're the stuff that we're discussing now,
and at that time he sounded way out. I mean
it sounded real, way out. But since then I've learned
so much more about UFOs. It's it's just incredible. But

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in the essence of time, Brother say Ku has in Baltimore,
has a question for you, Brother Simon, because we have
doctor Horne on deck waiting for us. So Brother say Ku,
your question for Brother Sime Book of Mohamed, can you
make it quick for us?

Speaker 11 (01:37:55):
We got Fradavid saying this album the Little Boy in
they were saying they were talking about Uarold. But if
they exist, so what how does that change our particularly
in this country in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
All right, let's give me a chance to respond. Thank
you for the sake sah.

Speaker 5 (01:38:16):
Well, Well, the only thing I can say to that is,
as with any reality, phenomena or facts, it is what
it is, and we have to analyze and discuss it,
and I observe things. I just don't disregard things. And
if something is real, I want to find out what

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there is to it.

Speaker 11 (01:38:37):
Well, okay, well, part of that musician is concerned. Man,
musicians have a reputation for getting intoxicated, getting stone.

Speaker 12 (01:38:45):
You know, tell them what they might say.

Speaker 5 (01:38:50):
Okay, I don't see. I'm not getting the connection between
musicians and UFO phenomena in a in a negative way.
I mean, yeah, I think the way I look at
the UFO phenomenon and American Black culture and history in
the music, uh, the phenomenon are our ancestors have been

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speaking to us about our condition and about the UFO
phenomena and about the current events that we're seeing, uh
in real time, in real life on the news and
that's where we are today.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Yeah. Well listen, we're just flat out of time. And
I just want to thank you for thank you for
doing this because you know, like I said, some people
still still have closed minds. They don't want to open
their minds and they think of one thing that they've
heard way back when and somebody told them, and they
refuse to do any research. But that's what you've done
because and you bring receipts. So, brother Siman book Book

(01:39:56):
the behind, thank you for sharing that with us. How
can folks reach you if they want more?

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
Oh, I'm happy to be here. You can just search
or Google spaces the place and you can add my
name if you like. But if you don't add my name,
you should be able to locate me that way. Space
is the place.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Well, thank you and thank you for And if anything changes,
if they release the classified documents, please call us so
we can talk about it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:29):
Okay, I'm not expecting that, but I certainly will. And
also I want to say long live the Spirit in
a million man March and the thirty year anniversary coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
That's right, We're going to talk about that tomorrow. Thank you,
brother Saman Bookingham, thank you for sharing your thoughts with
us this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:40:50):
You're welcome lovely lots of.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
Peace, brother doctor Jerald Horns joining us a lemonth. That's
top the Grand Rising, Doctor Horn, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 9 (01:41:00):
Thank you for inviting me.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
And I'm just going to ask you straight up, are
your thoughts on UFOs the real or just the imaginary?

Speaker 9 (01:41:09):
Well, I can't say the number I've studied that question,
so I'll have to differ.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Okay, fair, Let's let's go to the the recent Gaza
peace agreement.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
Is it holding? Because I understand now that Hamas is
executing people on the streets that have not disarmed and
as part of the agreement, and Israel is the restricting
supplies into Gaza. What have you heard?

Speaker 9 (01:41:37):
Well, I think what is going to unfold as predictable.
That is to say, after Israel receives as captives and
receives the remains of those who died, many of whom
died Israeli bombing, they will manufacture an excuse for resuming
the attack on Gaza. They will claim that the accords

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been violated by Hamas and therefore Israel is not bound
in any case. If you look at this accord, and
it's reflected in the fact that as Charmol shake Egypt
he is really prime Minister was not there, nor was
the Hamas representative there. They are not necessarily signatory that
the accord is between the United States, Turkeia, Gutter and Egypt,

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and they're supposed to keep Israel in line. The United
States is supposed to keep Israel in line. Of course,
don't depend upon that. And so I think it's fair
to suggest that the struggle continues, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
And I saw that, and I was wondering, you know,
doctor Halk, what about the Saudis. They're one of the
more prominent players in this game, and it seems like
they were missed. I thought, did they have so much
influence in our brother? Hope they still do? Why were
they missing from all of this? Are they just sitting
on the sidelines or what's going on with the Saudis
during this agreement?

Speaker 9 (01:42:56):
Well, there are a few ways to look at it.
Number One, keep in mind that guts are and the
Saudis and not necessarily in the best terms. We called
that in the early days of Trump one point zero,
the Saudis were fundamentally blockading the Qataris and the Turks
had to intervene on the side of the Kataris, and
so perhaps this body's absence was due to that. And

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in any case, the Saudis are not necessarily happy, as
are many Arabs with the Israelis, because of their seven
eight Front war, bombing Lebanon, bombing Syria, of bombing Gaza,
terrorizing the West Bank, et cetera. And that's one of
the reasons why many expect this struggle not only to continue,

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but to escalate.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
Do you think it would be worse before the agreement,
because now they're saying that even reports to some of
the bodies that came back weren't Israelis, and they're seeing
that as a sort of an insult from the fighters
against Now let's get right now, every Palestine is a
member of Hamas, and there's some reporting in fightings not

(01:44:10):
just inside of Hamas but with other liberation groups if
you will, in Gaza. Are you hearing reports about that?

Speaker 9 (01:44:18):
Well? Sure, I mean there are certain gangs or gangsters
in Gaza that are tied to his Israelies that are
tasks with liquidating Commas. But on a more positive note,
we should mark the release of hundreds of Palestinian prisoners,
including those who have been affiliated with the PFLP, the

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Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which is a
more left leaning group, and I think that the release
of many of those prisoners should be marked as a
significant step forward.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
Well, I guess at fifteen at the time of the
family just checking in, I guess it's doctor Jerald Horns,
also attorney by the way, and he's going to be
in town this weekend. We'll tell you more about that.
But doctor Horn, do you think one of those distant
groups there would would would start to start something so
that the process restarts with the Israel or Israel's got
one of the you know, because the massade has got

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their tentacles on a lot of issues, a lot of places,
a lot of people. Do you think that could be
some agent provocateur did start some stuff gone because they
already they claimed that Hamas is executing people on the
streets to give them us an excuse for the IDF
to go back into Gaza or Trump to get involved
as well. How do you see that play out?

Speaker 9 (01:45:37):
Well, I think that it's somethident that there are Israeli
agents on the ground in Gaza, with regard to these
lump and elements, the so called gangsters who have historic
ties to Israel despite their rather grimy origins, recalled that
it was not so long ago that one of the
leaders of these gangs had a hotbed piece of the

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Wall Street Journal of all things. And I think that
that was an attempt by the United States and Israel
to build up these gangster forces so that they can
effectuate a more stiff challenge to Hamaque than the PFLP.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
So the bomb line is sixteen at the top of the
plan to just liberate, just to just level guys and
build that strip that Trump has been talking and his
son in law is talking about. That's still in the game, Ben,
isn't it well to a degree?

Speaker 9 (01:46:30):
But we have to mark also on the positive side
of the ledger that for months, since October seventh, twenty
twenty three, mister nets and Yaho of Israel has been
arguing that his goal, his ambition, was to destroy Amoth,
and that obviously has not taken place. In fact, mister Netsana,
who dug himself a deep hole by attacking Gutter just

(01:46:54):
a few weeks ago, you were called which was not
necessarily in his best interest because the guitar is that
given a lot of money to the Trump regime recalled.
They gave a two hundred million for the mid million
dollar plane to mister Trump for his personal presumably post
presidential adventures, for example. And with that bombing of Gutter,

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that accelerated pressure on Israel, which has now led them
to this agreement where they fundamentally had to relinquish their
ambition to liquid a Hamas.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
Yeah, hold athorright there, weve gotta step aside for a
few moments. It's seventeen after the top, they only come
back there. Let's move over to the government shutdown. I
want to get your thoughts on that. Family YouTube can
join our discussion with doctor Gerald Horn. Reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six table holephone calls next and Grand Rising family.
If I'm just starting, you have Wednesday with us twenty
one minutes after the top of that, we want to

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our top scholars, doctor Gerald Horney. As I mentioned, it's
going to be in the DMV this weekend. I always
tell you whenever our scholars come to town, make sure
you go see them in the flesh and we're going
to give you all the information where doctor Horney said
you can meet him. He's got a new book and
he's going to have a book signing. But before we
move over to state side, I got a tweet from
Marca Anaheim and Mark says, he says hello, and he
says he used to coach and mentor female surfers from

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Peru and Morocco. Morocco has become the latest North African
nation rocked by gen Z worldwide protest against corruption, lack
of opportunity in business as usual. Similar movements of risen
in countries such as Madagascar, Kenya and Nepal. Yet there's
little or no coverage in mainstream media. And he wants
to know why that.

Speaker 9 (01:48:38):
Well, I think in the case of Morocco, the king
and robot is considered a US ally. Certainly puts us
a Cuba or Venezuela, for example, it would be on
the front page. But these protests need to be taken
very seriously. Apparently in Madagascar, is the giant island off
the southeast coast of Africa, there has been a military

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cool Apparently the president has led on a French air plane.
It's not clear what the politics are thus far, that
is to say, whether it's a step backwards or what's
step forward. The King of Morocco thus far has been
able to hold on, but I would not necessarily bet
on this longevity.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
Wow twenty two after the top down, Jane and Pakshaw's
joining us. He's online too, Jane. Your question for doctor
Horn is Seane there on line two.

Speaker 9 (01:49:33):
Yeah, I'm still here.

Speaker 4 (01:49:33):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
Yeah, we can hear now, go ahead. Your question for
doctor Horn.

Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
Yeah, great grand rising.

Speaker 10 (01:49:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
My question to you, doctor Horn is it's sort of like,
you know, being in the closet, we use a term
far left, and I think we have a I don't
know what you what you're gonna call it. I think
we've been disciplined by the uh, you know, people like
Ja Gohoover where we can't say the sea word communism.

(01:50:00):
And so when you say far left, are you implying
that that far left even in you know, and you
know what's going on now in the Middle East, is
that's what's going on. There's a leaning towards communism.

Speaker 9 (01:50:16):
You mean historic public sons and gossip.

Speaker 4 (01:50:19):
Yeah, because you know you you you you you reference
the far left and then we talk about, you know,
Donald Trump being a Nazi, etcetera of the far right
and so these you know, this dimetric uh opposition to
each other, you know, going back to literally uh you know,
with the with with Hippola, with Hitler and uh, you

(01:50:42):
know coming into power and how he came into power
and his anti communist position, and the far right today
is still anti communism. But we don't I don't know.
Like I said, the word communism is is a closet word.
The only place I actually hear them u uh people
talk about being communist is on PFW. So again, you know,

(01:51:04):
is this what we're talking about when we talk about
the far left is factly we're afraid to move that
far left.

Speaker 9 (01:51:13):
Well, I'm not sure if I understand the question. But
in any case, you have so called far left elements
in the United States of America. That does not mean
the United States of America is leaning itself to the
far left. You have so called farm left outlets and
historic Palestine. That does not necessarily mean that Palestine is
headed towards quote communism unquote. You have to realize that

(01:51:33):
there are diverse ideological trends worldwide, and it's only fair
to say that you have communist and power in Cuba
and North Korea, the people who popular of China, et cetera.
In other countries, you just have these elements participating in politics.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
All right, thanks Gan twenty five out the top now
with doctor Jerald Hoan, doctor Horne. The government shutdown in
two weeks now today, what does it look like? What's
what do you think is going to take to end
to stand Often, well, both.

Speaker 9 (01:52:03):
Sides are dug in. I think that mister Trump is
in some ways trying to effectuate a council revolution. That
is to say, under the Constitution, Congress has the power
of the perse in terms of making appropriations. But slowly
but surely, mister Trump is taking that power away from Congress.

(01:52:25):
I dare say if it gets to the US Supreme Court,
as ever, they will roll over and put their rubber
stamp on mister Trump's wizard seizure of power and given
to high stakes. Given the fact that the Democrats feel
that they have a winning issue with regard to these
healthcare subsidies, given the fact that the Republicans have high

(01:52:46):
stakes with regard to this revolutionary measure, I think that
the shutdown will continue for some time become particularly if
the air traffic controllers they on the job, which it
seems they will do. If they were to the job,
there would be chaos, It would disrupt business, It would
inevitably lead to some sort of negotiated settlement.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
What about his threat to fire people from the federal government.
Should they take that seriously?

Speaker 9 (01:53:16):
I think it should be taken seriously. The problem is
the US Supreme Court, because mister Trump can basically do anything,
it doesn't matter if it passes constitutional muster. A five
to four majority will put their rubber stamp on his actions.
And so you may recall that a few months ago,

(01:53:37):
when there was a threat of a government shut down
in the spring, that the Democrats did not move in
that direction because precisely they thought that there would It
would lead to reductions in force, it would lead to
mass layoffs, and apparently there have been mass layoffs, particularly
at the Center for Deep Disease Controls and Prevention, which

(01:53:59):
means that we're more jeopardy if another pandemic erupts. So
these leaders, particularly Republican leaders, are playing with fire.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
And now he's paying the militaries. Today's the military folks
are we're upset because today's paid and now he says
he's found some money to pay them. But I was
taught that Congress controls the purse strings. How can he
decide who gets paid and who doesn't get paid, and
how a tax pay is money by himself? How can
he do that?

Speaker 9 (01:54:29):
Well, that's part of this counter revolutionary dictatorial maneuver by
mister Trump. He's trying to grab all of the reigns
of power. He unilaterally has destroyed entire agencies. The Voice
of America, for example, is no longer on the air.
The Center for Disease Control is basically a wreck. There
is an attempt to defund the Smithsonian Museums, particularly the

(01:54:54):
National African American Museum. There's a move to defund public broadcasts,
which we'll turn off the spigot of funds to educational television,
for example, at a certain radio stations that carry the
public ass and what's again the US Supreme Court, If

(01:55:15):
it ever reaches that level, we'll probably say this is
teach you key, It's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
All right? Twenty eight after top a half family, just
checking into doctor Jerald Horney's I guess I mentioned it's
going to be in town this weekend, we're going to
give you information where you can see doctor Horn. Also
get a copy of his latest book. He's gotten written
several books. But Kathy and Maryland is checking in and
she's online.

Speaker 5 (01:55:37):
Two.

Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
Kathy grand Rising, your question for doctor Horn?

Speaker 12 (01:55:41):
Grand Rising, Carl grand Rising, Doctor Horn, how you guys
doing today?

Speaker 9 (01:55:47):
It's all good, good good.

Speaker 12 (01:55:50):
Just wanted to jump in on the conversation you guys
were having and.

Speaker 13 (01:55:55):
Express my thoughts. So if we can start out with
the conversation you were.

Speaker 12 (01:55:59):
Just having about the far left versus the far right.
I think terminology is so important that people don't know
the words and the meaning of words, because if you
can help me, can you define what they or who
they would consider to be a far left advocate, like
what are those traits?

Speaker 13 (01:56:18):
What are they advocating for? And that's a question if
you can help me, and then.

Speaker 4 (01:56:22):
They can go on well.

Speaker 9 (01:56:25):
Traditionally, when the term four left is intvoked, it's pointing
to those who are communists and socialists, that is to say,
they see a larger role for government in the economy,
which of course you already have. I mean, you have
government universities, you have government controlled streets and highways, for example.
But what mister trying to do is suggests that the Democrats,

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right for all of good purposes, are not a four
left party. He's trying to say that they'refore left because
there's deep anti communists, anti left wing resentments, and a
good over the populace, and so he's trying to say
that they are the forms, which is obviously ridiculous.

Speaker 13 (01:57:06):
Parent right, Which that's thank you for that, because that's
literally my point. So the joke is people, their people
use words, don't know what the meaning of the words are. Right,
we were already in a partial communist you know, construct
because of public everything. But and then for them, the
ones that are actually now advocating for communism but taking

(01:57:29):
over of government, social services institutions, media, that's what they're
literally doing right now, that's the truest definition of communism.

Speaker 12 (01:57:39):
But then they want to paint someone that wants universal
health care affordable housing as left leaning. So to me,
that narrative been constructed by the Republicans, and the mainstream media.

Speaker 13 (01:57:54):
Has consistently allowed that lie to perpetrate.

Speaker 12 (01:57:57):
And now we have stupid people, just dumb.

Speaker 13 (01:58:00):
Words, Mark and socialists, and they have no idea what
any of.

Speaker 12 (01:58:04):
Those words mean. And so I think that and then
and then the regarding the Congress Congress, the Republican Congress
abdicated their duty in order to.

Speaker 13 (01:58:17):
Follow a cult member, a cult leader.

Speaker 12 (01:58:20):
So the next question, and then I'll get off the air,
is we've talked about critical mass before and all that, but.

Speaker 13 (01:58:26):
Do you think there is a true process for mass
de cultification of these people?

Speaker 12 (01:58:34):
They're they're coming.

Speaker 14 (01:58:35):
Out slowly and surely, but not too much.

Speaker 13 (01:58:38):
Because if you saw the news yesterday with all those
top GOP operatives with their leak and their you know,
very deplorable words that they used to affiliate with people,
I think there are starting to be breaks in their eggshells.

Speaker 12 (01:58:52):
Marjorie Taylor Green. But the nation as a.

Speaker 13 (01:58:56):
Whole, especially them and some of us, need to go
a decultification.

Speaker 12 (01:59:02):
And I'm wondering if you've seen any of that in
history where that can be done.

Speaker 4 (01:59:07):
And that's my question.

Speaker 12 (01:59:08):
I appreciate you guys, thank you so much, and.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
Miss thanks Kathy. Doctor horn.

Speaker 9 (01:59:15):
Well, it's going to be difficult in the United States
of America that have a so called decultification because the
cult leaders and members hold the reins of power.

Speaker 6 (01:59:25):
So why should they.

Speaker 9 (01:59:27):
Engage in mind cleansing of themselves because they see things
are going well for them right now. So I don't
really see that happening. I think we're at a bumpy
rock going.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
Is this deliberate though, doctor Horn? Do you think they're
deliberately trying to take that the you know, push the
government over the cliff? And if so, that be the
end of the United States? Is we know it? And
if so, if that's if that's their game plan, what
do we do because obviously same thing happening in in Rome,
happening it with the UK, the Brits, and they survive.
So if that's their game plan, what a is we

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have black folks in this country, what we should we
should be doing well.

Speaker 9 (02:00:06):
I think that it is highly possible that there are
those in power now who would like to destroy the
United States of America as I presently exists. Recalled that
we fought a civil war eighteen sixty one to eighteen
sixty five, and they were on the losing side. But
in a certain stance, we're still fighting the civil war
in twenty twenty five. I think that black people in

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the United States have lost a fundamental lesson which is
that central to our ability to fight back has been
building international alliances. But we've fallen asleep on the job
with regard to building international alliances. I mean, this is
one of the few places where you can go and
here even news about what's going on in Morocco and Madagascar,

(02:00:51):
as we were just talking about. Until our organizations, but
ti Alo, the NAACP, which is the leading mass organization,
is able to reorient itself. I think that we're going
to be in deep and desperate trouble.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
It's twenty six away from the top of Doctor Horne,
the Supreme Courts, and this morning as we speak, and
they're gonna hold hearings that will will restrict if they agree,
they got to vote on it, of course later on
on voting rights for blacks. How do you see? How
do you see what's going on with it? You mentioned
already the Supreme Court in which the Roberts Courts, as
they call themselves, which way they are tilting. But how

(02:01:28):
devastating this ruling that's gonna have when it comes down,
because today all they're going to do is have hearings.
Have devastating will it be if they rule against us?

Speaker 9 (02:01:39):
Oh, it will be devastating for sure. That is the state.
The Voting Whites Act of nineteen sixty five, along with
the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four, those were
the crown jewels of the anti Jim Crow movement. So
when you toss overboard the Voting Whites Act of nineteen
sixty five, you're taking us back in a sense to
the era of Jim Crow, your eroding black political power.

(02:02:02):
And the only thing that's left is the Civil Rights
Act of nineteen sixty four. And therefore I think that
it means once again we're in desperate streets.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
Is there anything we can basically do? Because if they do,
if the Roberts Courts are ruled, and they'll probably issue
the ruling later in the term, if they do that,
what's our move is it? If all those black areas,
it would be the Republicans can jerry man of these
areas and keep it and keep their people in office.
Is it a one party state? Is that their game plan?

Speaker 9 (02:02:37):
That's certainly their game plan. But already their counter moves
we called that on the ballot shortly in California would
be a move to redistrict the congressional delegation to push
out the Republican that needs to be replicated, for example
in so called blue states like Illinois and Michigan, and

(02:02:59):
then the northeast for example. However, the Republicans already are
moving to redistrict in North Carolina to push out the
few Democrats there. They're moving to redistrict in the state
of Missouri and push out the black representative from Kansas City,
for example. But once again, those are just tactical maneuvers.

(02:03:20):
On the strategic level, we really need a reorientation in
terms of how we approach political power, which means once
again forging global alliances to put pressure on the US right,
and that, it seems to me, is the way to go.

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
All right, we got to step aside for a few moments.
We come back, though, I'm not seeing a lot of
pushback from the Democratic Party, and I hear we're going
to be impacted the most if this voting rise measure
goes down. So I'm looking for, you know, some friend
of the court's ruling or filing from the Democrats. Haven't
seen any yet. Maybe there is, though I want you
to address that why the Democrats are not showing more resistance.

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Twenty three minutes away from the top of the our family.
I guess it's doctor Gerald Horn. You got a question
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(02:04:21):
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you got any question entertainment, sports, anything on the planet
under the son, doctor Horn is one of our smart brothers.
He can answer it. Before we go back to him though,
And I got another tweet question from Mark from Anaheim.
But before we do that, just onet of mind folks
that this is going to be a tribute to Asara
Shakur taking place today at bus Boys and Poets in Washington, DC.

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So we're in the DMV please if you've got time,
it starts at six point thirty. Doctor Mark Lamont Hill's
coming down from Philly to host This is going to
be a bus ballsion of poets. As I mentioned, this
one on fourteenth and V and tomorrow we're going to
discuss the thirtieth anniversary of the Milliam Man March with
one of the architects of the Millium Man March that
where they happen to be a creator, doctor Malana Karenga.
One of the first persons that Minister Farkhun called when

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he decided to put this gathering together was doctor Carrigan.
Doctor Kearenga actually wrote the manifesto for the Million Man March.
So it's going to take us back thirty years ago,
all the planning and what went into it, how he
came over to write the manifesto for the Million Man March.
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep
your radiar locked in real tight on ten ten WLB
or if you're in the DMV, we're on FM ninety

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five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WOL. All right,
I just had a question from Mark Manaheim. Another tweet
he says last week on his podcast, Maga passed that
I don't sure if you're familiar with this through it,
Brian Suave called for rebellious black men to be executed
according to biblical standards. Suggesting that state authority should kill

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black men according to the law prescribed in Deuteronomy twenty
one of the Christian Bible. Now that patch passage, it
says that parents should take rebellious rebellious children to the
center of the town, have the community elders stone them
to death for being glutton and a drunkard. Any comments
that's from Mark from Anaheim.

Speaker 9 (02:06:05):
Well, I mean, that's obviously ridiculous, it's ludicrous, But at
the same time it should be taken seriously because this
country is headed downhill rapidly, and what seemed unimaginable just
months ago seems to be a subject for discussion today.

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And that's how I take that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:28):
Tweaks of Mark from Anaheim got you seventeen away from
the top of the Let's go back to international stuff
that's going on. These intensions arising between China and the US.
Donald Trump wants to add more tariffs to the Chinese goods.
Your thoughts about that, Well.

Speaker 9 (02:06:45):
What's happened is that China is limiting the export of
socar minerals to the United States of America, which are
necessary for fighter jets or iPhones, for automobiles, any kind
of sophisticated machinery. Mister Trump initially said that there would

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be one hundred percent tariff added to the thirty percent
tariff on Chinese goods, but then he left himself a
way out by noting that in a few weeks he'll
meet with the Chinese leader in Seoul. I think that
people in the United States need to realize that there
has fundamentally been a shift and China now has leverage

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over the United States of America. Although I think people
had gotten comfortable with the idea that the United States
of America has leverage over China, but I think the
relationship has shifted and that is going to have monumental consequences.

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
Oh wow, By the way, family, just got to know
from for on our list, is that that event tonight
at Busboy and Poets on fourteenth and V has been
sold out. So if you didn't get your ticket, you're
out of luck. That the celebration for Assada Hikod doctor
Mark Lamont Hill, it's sold out, So hopefully I'll tape
it and you could watch it on YouTube. But let's
talk about some more tensions between the United States. You know,

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right now the United States and Russia. It seems that
Donald Trump he's going to be with the head of
the Ukraine on Friday at the White House, and they're
thinking about increasing the military for Ukraine to fight the Russians,
and the Russians are pushing back. What do you know that,
doctor Horn.

Speaker 9 (02:08:22):
Well, I think that's the possibility. I think that if
you look back to mid August twenty twenty five, the
Elaska stomach, I think that mister Trump was trying to
woo mister Putin. He was trying to woo him specifically
into an anti China aliance. Apparently Russia is not biting,
and since that time, mister Trump has referred derisively to

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Russia as a paper tiger. He's threatened to send so
called Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine, which would allow the Ukrainians
to fire missiles deep into Russian territory. But it's very dangerous,
it could ignite enhance. It's an intensified conflict. And I
should also say that mister Trump is also ruling Russia's allies,

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speaking of Belarus for example. That has everything to do
with tightening the screws on Russia, which mister Trump sees
is a precondition to getting Russia to capitulate and join
the anti China cabal.

Speaker 1 (02:09:21):
Well, having said that doctor Harn that natz own family
is concerned, the Brits are concerned, should they be? Especially
Poland is concerned as well that the Putin is not
selling wolf tickets. This is what real deal is happening.
This could be the precursor for World War three. How
do you see it?

Speaker 9 (02:09:40):
Well, I think it should be taken very seriously. I
mean particularly Poland. Poland is arming. They said that they
might even Christian a so called fort Trump, which indicates
what their pre elections are. Germany is an occupied country
and it's the locomotive of the European Union. That is
to say, if the country where US troops still occupy

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this important country since nineteen forty five, and therefore the
Germans do not necessarily have freedom of movement with regard
to how they can't confront Russia. They have to dance
to the tune played by Uncle Sam. So this is
a very dangerous moment and we should not sleep on
this moment.

Speaker 1 (02:10:23):
Do you think if Putin retaliates, it will be Poland
will be first on his list, or do you think
that other plays of Germany or even the Brits are
concern I've been reading some of these newspapers. They seem
to be have some concern that Putin may come after them.

Speaker 9 (02:10:38):
I think all of the above. I mean, the British
in particular have been rather hawkish in their anti Russian sentiments.
And this is nothing new. You can say, it goes
back to the nineteenth century, if not before. With regard
to Poland, once again, there have been historic conflicts between
Russia and Poland, once again going back to the nineteenth century,

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if not before, and get talked for German and so
I think mister Trump, once again he's playing with matches.
He doesn't really know what he's doing, and therefore we're
fundamentally trapped on the ship of fools, with the Admiral
Trump at the wheel leading us towards an Iceberg.

Speaker 1 (02:11:21):
Wow twelve away from the top of the robin in
Kansas City's Online two has a question for you Grand
Rising Robert. Your question for doctor.

Speaker 10 (02:11:30):
Horn, Well, actually I was going to talk about the
drug cartels, but I'm gonna switch it over to Hamas.
Here's my thing, Dr Horn. I compare what Hamas is
doing in Palestine to me being held up in my
ninety plus year old parents' house with a pellet gun
going up against the swat team outside, you know, and

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they keep telling me, hey, as long as you keep
shooting at pelat gun, that's we're gonna keep launching a
grenades in the house. So why would I put my
parents in that type of harms way when I know
I can't I can't outstun a swipeing. So here's my
question to you. I feel like Harmas has got to go,
you know, I mean, what's gonna happen is is is

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the is the what do you call that government?

Speaker 5 (02:12:18):
That's palace?

Speaker 10 (02:12:19):
Are they gonna take over? Or is Hama's gonna continue
to governing?

Speaker 5 (02:12:23):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (02:12:24):
Uh Gaza.

Speaker 9 (02:12:27):
Well, I think that mister Trump and mister Natiyahu would
like to see Harmas depart, but that does not seem
to be a realistic option as of now. I think
that Harmas will can continue to have a fair amount
of support amongst the Palestinian population, which after all, is
the key. There's still remaining on the scene as long

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as the Israeli it's a terrorizing as long as the
snufflers are terrorizing Palestinians or the West Bank as long
as the Israeli is a bombing civision killing tens of
thousands of innocent Palestinians. Mister Netanyahu, facing charges at the
International Criminal Court would call them. When he came to
the United States a few days ago, he had to

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avoid French airspace because he felt that the French would
force down his plane and arrest him and bundle them
off to the Haye to stand trial. So I'm not
sure if a getting rid of a mosque is.

Speaker 10 (02:13:29):
Reasonable and b if it's duable.

Speaker 6 (02:13:34):
And just one more.

Speaker 10 (02:13:34):
Thing I know called other callers. I know that Hamas
was not at the table when they were signing this
piece of deal. They had the Palestinian Authority president there.
So I feel like the United States they're getting ready
to deal with them as they're going to put them
as making them the government there instead of Mons. That's
my personal opinion. But anyway, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 1 (02:13:59):
Thank you all right, thanks Robert doctor horn Well.

Speaker 9 (02:14:03):
I know that that's the scheme to have the Palace
in the Authority takeover in Gaza, but that has been
the scheme for some months, if not years now, and
it hasn't taken place, and I don't think it's going
to take place anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (02:14:21):
All right, nine away from the top of that's just
the Kashiva is checking in from Silver Spring. Are you
going to be in Silver Spring? Is that think the
site you're going to be in this weekend? Dr Horn?

Speaker 9 (02:14:30):
Yes, Montgomery College in Silver Spring, Maryland, Friday, October seventeenth,
six thirty pm. A book launch of my latest book,
The Capital of Slavery, Washington, DC, eighteen hundred to eighteen
sixty five, of course with contemporary echoes.

Speaker 1 (02:14:51):
All right, well, Sister Kashiva, she lives in Silver Stream.
She'll probably be there, Grand Rising, Sister Kashiva. Your question
for doctor Horn, Yes, will be there.

Speaker 15 (02:15:02):
I wonder if doctor Horn or if you Carl have
spoken out about the two internet vloggers who are attacking
doctor Ericana, referring to her as a scammer. She is
taking around a thousand African Americans to Bakina Fasso, and

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apparently there are a couple of people who have gotten
online and are slandering and defaming her character, saying that
she is scamming them on this for this trip.

Speaker 5 (02:15:39):
Have you heard about dot com?

Speaker 9 (02:15:41):
I'm not aware of those allegations, but salute anyone who
stands in solidarity with the Kinna Fosco and mister chare
the de facto leader of that African nation because they're
in the vanguard fighting against the poverty, fighting against some girls.
I'm also fighting against religious double try as well. In fact,

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I was on the air just a few days ago
with the young sister from the United States who is
exiled in the Kina Fosso and that issue did not
come up, So I would like to know more about it.

Speaker 1 (02:16:16):
Yeah, it seems.

Speaker 15 (02:16:19):
They are of offering a citizenship to these one thousand
people and reneging on the promise of citizenship. Doctor Eric
Kinda doesn't have anything to do with what the Burkina
Fossil Parliament has said. They will give uh, not citizenship,

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but they will give what's akin to citizenship, a limited
not a visa where you can stay for a limited
amount of time and then you can pay pay for
then you can apply for citizenship.

Speaker 1 (02:16:53):
Somebody, let me just jump in here, because these bloggers
are trying to get become intimate in celebrities stuff like that.
It's just way out. Just ignore them. People got to
be more discerning when they hear folks who if they're
attacking black people. First of all, they're attacking a black person.
First of all, that's straight up that they don't they
don't get a second of my attention and and and

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that's what we just kick them to the curb. Now,
you've elevated them by bringing on this program to discuss them.
And I'm not knocking you because because you saw it,
but some things you just it's not even worth discussing.
Those people are there. They're paid to what they're doing,
and they were finished. They're paid to what they're doing,
so they they they're not going to change, they're not

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going to deviate because this is this is what they
paid to do, disrupt the black community. But I'll leave that.
I'll let doctor Horn respond to that because I'm sure
he's heard that, and there are other groups like that
out there as well. That's Horn.

Speaker 9 (02:17:48):
Well, that's just said. I'm not familiar with these allegations,
but I do know that I'm in solidarity with any
efforts to stand alongside for Kennefoso welcome by black Americans
to this West African nation, because that also is an
expression of solidarity. And more than that, I cannot add.

Speaker 15 (02:18:11):
Yes, well, she she had to defend herself. She was
online yesterday defending herself against those allegations, so I think
she said enough. But I just want to for people
to be aware of when they hear those kind of things,
as Carl said, to ignore it.

Speaker 1 (02:18:30):
Well, let me share this really hit you interrupt. They've
been trying for They've been trying for for months, probably years,
a whole bunch of them trying to get in on
this program. They really want your ears because they know
how many people listen, and we just see through them
and just reject them. You know, some summarily don't even
not not even considered. But that's because that's why I
speak the West, because I know they've been trying to

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get in, trying to become his guest, trying to offer
this a solution, or trying to use uh secondary folks
who are connected them to get on, and we just
say no, because we could we understand what the game is.

Speaker 15 (02:19:02):
But no, no, yeah, I don't want you to I
don't want you to use your platform as a war.
But they are offering citizenship, not citizenship, but permanent residency
to those individuals. I just wanted to say that, all right,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:19:18):
For sharing that with us. Doctor see listen, We've got
to take a step aside for a few moments here.
We'll come back though, we want to talk about Venezuela.
I got a tweet from from one of our listeners. Also,
I want to talk about what's going on with Dure family.
YouTube can join our conversation with our guests, Doctor Gerald Horn.
Dr Horn said mention, it's one of the smartest brothers
out there. It's going to be in Silver Spring this weekend.
If you're in the DMV, you need to attend. I

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always tell her whenever our scholars come to town, make
sure you get a chance to see them. We'll give
you more information on how you can get in touch
with and see doctor Horn this weekend when he comes
to the DMV three away from the top of the aisle.
Thoughs I mentioned, we got to step aside. We'll come
back with your phone calls at eight hundred and four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six for Dr Horn.
That's next and Grand Rising family. Thanks for flowing with
us on this Wednesday morning. Thanks staying with us all

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morning along. I guess is doctor Gerald Horn from the
University of Houston and like I mentioned any question or
any subject you want. This is the man you need
to pose those questions too. And again if you're in
the DMV, it's going to be in Silver Spring this weekend.
I will tell you more about his event is having
a book signing. Let me just say this because somebody
just reminded me. Tell folks that the problem why they
are attacking Pan Africans and black folks because they see

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that Africa is rising people who are becoming aware, awoke,
if you will, starting on the continent with this Hound
Nations now state side. So this this what you see
the opposition, and it's a paid opposition. They're paid them
on radio that tries to get use different back channels
to get on particular shows like this one to try
to delete or attack some of the things that they're

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hearing about black people coming together. They don't want us
to come together, as Bob Marley would say. They all
they want to see is fussing and fighting. But we're
not going to allow that here anyway. And it got
off my soapbox. I got a question for you from
a brother Man two in New York City. He says
China and Russia have deep financial ties to Venice and
President Nicholas Maduro's government. Trump's ordered the military strikes and

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elects to Venezuela and drug boats a smoke screen to
disrupt China and Russia's influence in Venezuela and get the
US in control of Venezuelan and oil reserves and other
natural resources which are under the state's control.

Speaker 9 (02:21:19):
Well, I think that's a fair assumption. I mean, this
is once again a very dangerous situation. We've already talked
about the dangerous situation between the United States and Russia,
dangerous situation between the United States and China. Now we're
in the dangerous situation between the United States and Venezuela.
We haven't talked about these parent plans by the United
States to attack Mexico so called drug cartels attend to

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the attacks on Venezuela. And so mister Trump is clearly
out of control. But we're the tax payers, We're the
ones who are paying for this madness, and we're the
ones that are going to be hurt if these other
countries choose to retaliate against the United States of America.

Speaker 1 (02:22:01):
I go back to the fact, does he have to
get congressional appool Can he do this without asking Congress,
because it could you know, and this is probably the
silly question because he's never asked Congress for anything, and
if he did that probably rub a stamp here anyway.
But it seems to be going on. He's acting like
a lone ranger on several issues. How do you see it?

Speaker 9 (02:22:21):
Well, sure, I mean on paper, Congress has the right
to declare war, but that paper has been shredded not
only by mister Trump, but but by many of his predecessors.
And as you've already suggested, even if he did take
it to Congress, these cult numbers in the Republican Party
with no doubt love a stamp.

Speaker 2 (02:22:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:22:42):
Three after that, top Yeah. Leon's checking in from DC's
got a question for yours online too, Grant Rising, Leon,
your question for doctor.

Speaker 16 (02:22:48):
Horn and Rising, gentlemen, do Horn racism? White supremacy has
become a constant enterprise that has reached the point of
diminishing return yarns White America will get this understanding, seemingly
only after America hits the wall and falls completely. Everything
White America has done to attack Blacks has returned to

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bite them back severely. Black slavery moved to civil war
attack on the black family produce higher divorce rates and
low white reproduction rates, proliferation of drugs, and black communities
produce spent and all epidemic in their own community. Black

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economic deprivation costs America trillions in debt and is currently
growing deeper. The backlash to presidential leadership to the rise
of criminal Trump and Project twenty five, Project twenty twenty five,
which targets blacks but hits their own quality of life
even harder. When will white people learn that racism white

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supremacy only service to cause greater, more costly victimization of
themselves and will that realization serve to stop the perpetuation
of this injustice which ultimately boomerangs back on them.

Speaker 1 (02:24:11):
All right, and thank you for your question, leon doctor Horn.

Speaker 9 (02:24:16):
Well, I didn't hear anything I disagreed with. I'm not
even sure if there was a question inside that mini lecture,
But I would just encourage the brother to keep studying
and also does write something so that others can denonstit
from his knowledge and wisdom.

Speaker 1 (02:24:35):
Doctor Horn? What's going on in with the streets the
National Guard being the national go being federalized to go
on the streets and now there's attacking is somehow they've
selected Chicago as as this, I guess the standard they
want to They've they've talked about Portland, They've talked about
some other cities as well, but it seems like Chicago.
They want Chicago real bad. How do you see what's

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going on in the Windy City.

Speaker 9 (02:25:00):
Well, it's obviously a dictatorial maneuver by mister Trump. He's
threatened to jail the governor, Governor J. B. Pritzker, He's
threatened to jail the mayor, Mayor Johnson. Fortunately, in Chicago,
he may have picked on the wrong target because they
have a strong developed resistance movement. People are fighting back,

(02:25:22):
and mister Trump may encounter his own water, his own
defeat in the city of the Big shoulders. We can
only hope, so, you.

Speaker 1 (02:25:30):
Know, And Barack Obama said, imagine if when he was president,
if he took the ask that the National Guard from
la from New York to go to Dallas and to
patrol the streets at Dallasy, He said, do you imagine
the pushback he would have gotten. Your thoughts on what
he's saying, Well, I think it's.

Speaker 9 (02:25:47):
A long past time. Well, we in the United States
are recognized, so obviously there's a double stamp. That is
to say, the Conservatives that once that are rules and
those who are not conservative at Bubora by another set
of rules. The Conservatives have an advantage because they control
a majority of the settler descendant population, just as an Israel,

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this is a settler colonial society. And in Israel, as
you know, it's not enough for the majority of Palestinians
and those who are Jewish to embark on a certain course.
You have to have a majority of the Jewish population
to embark on a certain course. In the United States,
we don't recognize because the Republicans have control over the

(02:26:39):
settler descendant vote pattern that gives them an advantage. And
therefore we start with a disadvantage which oftentimes we don't
recognize because we drank the kool aid with regard to
this being the paragon of freedom and liberty and the
Constitution and taranties, free rights are all, which is a
little more than propaganda.

Speaker 1 (02:27:01):
Yeah, I got another tweet question for you. Tweeta says,
what does doctor Horn think of Maria Corina Machado, the
twenty twenty five Nobel Peace Prize winning from Venezuela. Is
Maria Corina Machada an advocate of the international right wing
or a true supporter of democracy?

Speaker 9 (02:27:19):
Oh, she's obviously the former. I mean, she's basically welcome
me US military intervention into her homeland. She isn't hiding, supposedly,
although the Nobel Committee was able to get a phone
call to her and her voice sounded strong and it
does look like she's missing any meals. Mister Trump, of

(02:27:41):
course is jealous because he wanted the Nobel Prize, and
in fact, the Secretary of State Marco Rubio made me
in hot water for congratulating this Machado for winning the
Nobel Prize. Mister Trump may not be happy with that
kind of congratulations.

Speaker 1 (02:27:59):
I heard that he actually recommended her to be before
all of this, that Marco Rubion and several other Republicans, uh,
you know, openly recommending her foot to get the Nobel Prize.
I don't know if you heard about that one.

Speaker 9 (02:28:14):
Well, sure, And this also reflects the larger question, which
is that mister Trump is obviously jealous of the Rock
Obama who received the Nobel Peace Press recall what happened
at that spectacle and Quantico Virginia. A few days ago
when Secretary of War Pete Hexa some of all the
admirals and generals who speak, mister Trump, in his rambling remarks,

(02:28:37):
once again began to talk about mister Obama, how he
is able to skip down steps where mister Trump has
to hold on to the rail, hold on as the banister,
mister Obama is occupying space. Mister Trump's brain ret free.

Speaker 2 (02:28:53):
Do you see that?

Speaker 1 (02:28:54):
You know, because a lot of times when he says anything,
even when he was speaking in Egypt, he was heads.
You're always talking about what somebody else did wrong. He's
always pointed out by it. This is happened to buy it,
this is well, this is anto. But why is that
a personality trade for him to always blame somebody else
or try to make himself look better? How do you

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see that.

Speaker 9 (02:29:17):
Governor prisoner of Illinois as mister Trump seventy nine years old,
has dementia, That is, he's losing his marbles. And it's
hard to say because he was speaking in an incoherent
fashion in twenty sixteen and he's still speaking in a
coherents fashion in twenty twenty five. Perhaps he had dementia

(02:29:38):
in twenty sixteen. Who knows.

Speaker 1 (02:29:42):
It's ten half the top there I was. I'm sure
you've quite a bit of listeners in the UK. That's
why I'm reading all these you you, these British newspapers.
But they are they problems over there with the conservationy
in Britain under this new government.

Speaker 9 (02:29:58):
The Conservatives are I mean, here you had a party
that's basically been the party.

Speaker 6 (02:30:04):
Of government for decades.

Speaker 9 (02:30:05):
Recall the heyday of Margaret Thatcher, the Iron Lady, Recall
Benjamin Disraeli going back to the nineteenth century for example.
But now they are losing altitude, not least because of
Nazelle Farage, the leader of the so called Reformed Party.
In fact, if there were snap elections to be held

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in Great Britain under Prime Minister Starmer of the Labor Party,
it's possible that the Conservatives would finish fourth behind Labor
Reform and the Liberal Democrats. And that this is happening
under the leading leadership of a woman of Nigerian ancestry
who is supposedly the Prime Minister waiting, although don't hold

(02:30:51):
your breath or Kimney Batnach to take office.

Speaker 1 (02:30:55):
Yeah, and they seem to have similar problems that we
have here, especially when it comes to immigration. Now a
report about the people are protesting in London with the
red and white flag. That's the flag of Saint George.
That's a different that's the flag of England as opposed
as the UK is made up for England, Ireland and

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Wales Scotland. So they were protesting the immigration issue and
they say immigrants are coming through the the what's it
the English Channel from between England, between London and Paris.
So is that issue is they're trying to replicate what's
going on here because there's a call to stop the
immigration and increase in the UK that's similar to what's

(02:31:36):
going on here. Is that how you see it as
well well?

Speaker 9 (02:31:39):
Certainly the Reform Party, that's one of the issues that
they hammer on relentless. As a matter of fact, they've
made suggesting how many migrants are in Britain legally and
how they all need to be set back. So this
is a very combustible situation in Great Britain and I

(02:32:03):
don't think the Prime Minister Starmer is helping matters because
he is more or less bending to the win with
regard to this anti immigrant psychosis. And I don't think
that that's helping his labor party.

Speaker 1 (02:32:18):
All right, thirteen and a half the top there with
our guest, doctor Gerald Horna. As I mentioned, any question,
any subject you could ask, you can ask doctor Horne.
You can reach him at eight hundred and four five
zero seventy eight seventy six. Is gonna be in Silver
Spring this weekend. We'll tell you more about that. But
doctor Horns go back to the continent elections recently in Cameroons.
What have you heard, what's the latest on that in
those elections.

Speaker 9 (02:32:39):
Well, here you have ninety two year old Paul Bia
who's running for reelection. If he were to win and
finish out his term, he might be serving believe it
or not, at the age of one hundred. Yet he
spends most of his time at a palatial hotel in Geneva,
Switzerland or Camerooney from the four corners of the planet

(02:33:02):
come to protest now. An opposition candidate has claimed that
mister Bia has actually lost this recent election. But don't
expect Paul Bea to give up power anytimespoon because he
is supported by the United States, he is supported by
brand and he is supported by the North Atlantic powers.

Speaker 1 (02:33:23):
Oh wow, another coop in to make in the in Cameroon.
Are you saying that on the horizon, Well, not only.

Speaker 9 (02:33:32):
A possible military coup, but keep in mind that there
is a brewing civil war in Cameroon, this neighbor of Nigeria.
That is to say that the so called Anglophone population,
the part of Cameroon that was colonized by Great Britain,
they feel and that they argue that they are a

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second class stood vis a the Francophone or French speaking
population colonized by France. And this civil war or the
facto civil war, it's not going away anytime soon. Didn't
have the potential to topple mister Bia altogether.

Speaker 1 (02:34:11):
Fifteen after tough, doctor Horne, did you see some of
these other Francophone countries like Cameroon and probably Court Devar
and Senegal and who else the Gambia. Do you see
them joining or coming joining forces of the Sahale nations
are going up against the French. How do you read
what's going on there?

Speaker 9 (02:34:27):
Well, certainly that's possible. With regard to Senegal, I understand
that there was a recent meeting between the Senegalese leadership
and the Sahl leadership particularly became a fossil coach. De vois.
I'm not so sure about that. President of Wara, he
is also up for re election. He has rigged the

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election to a certain extent, the barring from the ballot
and many potential challengers and which are to god bold,
we're called if they had a change of regime a
year or so ago. But the new leadership. And by
the way, the new leader apparently has significant real estate

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holding in your backyard in the state of Maryland. He
seems to be quite willing to continue to play ball
with the Flinch.

Speaker 1 (02:35:21):
All right, hold that thought right there. I want to
talk about the Francophone countries and if you see any changes,
what's the very latest with them. But we've got to
step aside for a few moments. We come back, though,
I'll let you address then. Folks, you want to join
our conversation with doctor gerald Horn, reach out to us
at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight, seventy six
and sixteen after the top of the hour, will take

(02:35:42):
you calls next and ground rising family. Thanks for rolling
with us on this Wednesday morning. I guess it's doctor
Gerald Horn from the University of Houston. Again, we do
always tackle seeral topics with Dr Hornes. Dr Horne is
one of the smartest brothers out here. It's going to
be in Silver Spring this Friday. We'll tell you more
about that. So I'll always here whenever our scholars come
to tell make sure you go out and see them,
Doctor Hornes. Staying on the Sahal Nations though, some of

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them have made contacts with the Russians for security purposes,
for military for arms, but they've if they've they've promised
or mortgage if you will. Some people probably use that
term uh the future by giving up some of their
minerals and diamonds and other aspects for support, just like

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the Chinese of building infrastructure in other countries on the continent.
But they also are getting, you know, the resources from
our brothers and sisters on the continent. How'd you see this,
especially with the Sahal Nations? Are they fighting? They find
a proxy war though because again the weapons and again
the military support from Russia to stay off the French.

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How do you see what's going on there?

Speaker 9 (02:36:47):
Well, then it's no secret that not only would the
United States like to think the overthrow these regimes, but
friends as well, not to mention certain of the Gulf
barnarchs like the United Arab Emirates, which reputedly reportedly or
supporting the religious velts who are terrorizing Burkina Fasso and

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Niger and Malee under the guise of being Islamic warriors.
Because of the pressure these regimes are under, it's forced
them to make compromises, compromises with Morocco and the King
of Rabot because they need an outlet to the sea.
These nations are all landlocked. For example, this was not

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pleasing to Morocco's historic poe speaking of neighboring Algeria, which
borders Mali, for example. So they're in a very difficult situation.
And that's why I'm happy to see that Black Americans
are rallying to their defense. And indeed, as a listener
suggested or thinking about taking out permanent residents in Bikina Fosso.

Speaker 1 (02:37:53):
Wow, twenty two after top Now let's come back as
stateside and want you to put your legal hat on
now for US Donald Trump's going after Tiss James in
New York. How do you see that? Because some people
say that it's just a waste of resources and he's overstepped,
he's bound and there's some infighting. Pam Bondy wasn't uh,
you know, called in and alerted to what was going

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on and this handling that he that he appointed just
went ahead with it, and people been telling her that
there's there's no case, but he still pushing with it.
How do you see what's going on there?

Speaker 9 (02:38:25):
Well, possibly what you said is all true. That is
to say that Lindsay Halligan is the unqualified and competent
insurance attorney who is now bringing criminal indictments from Virginia,
not only against le Titia James, the black woman attorney
general the state of New York. That James coming the
sac FBI director. It's possible that Pam Bondi, the head

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of the Department of Justice, was not in the loop
when there's incitement indictment against tiss James was brought. It's
highly possible that there's no there there, that this is
an empty case that never should.

Speaker 7 (02:39:01):
Have been brought.

Speaker 9 (02:39:02):
But that does not mean that we should dismiss it
and not take it seriously. Because the jails and the
prisons of full of people who have been railroaded behind
bars due to insubstantial legal complaints, and so Tis James
understandably has lawyered up. She's hired Abbey Lowell, one of

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the top criminal defense lawyers in the District of Columbia,
and she's raising money hand over this. But fortunately what
Tis James is doing politically is also significant because even
though ha Queen Jeffreys and Gregory Meeks and members of
Congression Congressional Black Caucus from New York City have not
endorsed Zi Kwame Mumdani the odds on favor to become

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mayor of New York City, James has been appearing at
rally shoulder to shoulder with Mayor and waiting Mumdani. And
I think that that would bolster her position in court.

Speaker 1 (02:39:59):
As well, also with the Black community, or also with
the New Yorkers as well, and not necessarily the black community.
How's the Black community coming down on that election? Have
they getting behind Mandannie? Are you hearing reports of that?
Or they're still sort of on the fence because of
the as you mentioned that these elected officials are still,
you know, kind of vacillating whether or not less you

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support Mandannie.

Speaker 9 (02:40:23):
Well, it's probably a bit of both. That is to say,
the black community is influenced by King Jeffries and Gregory Niecks,
for example. They're influenced by the demagogic sex pest thinking
of Atrew Cuomo, who is running far behind mister Mamdani.

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They're influenced by Eric Adams, who has is now be
a company but has chosen not to lenk of reelection
and obviously it's cut a deal with mister Trump in
order to avoid indictment. And I think that's been quite
confusing for the community, the fact that the incumbent black
mayor has been quite hostile to mister Mumdani at the

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same time he's obviously in bed with mister Trump.

Speaker 1 (02:41:10):
Twenty five. At the top of that with our guest
doctor Gerald Horn. And doctor Horn, we mentioned Tis James
in New York. You stand turn to Generald, but what
about Adam Shift. Do you think Trump's going on a
revenge tour all the folks that he dislikes, trying to
tie them up legally because it looks like the chargers,
especially the charge against Tis James, that you know doesn't
warrant what he's going after. But is Adam Shift the

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next on the list?

Speaker 9 (02:41:35):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (02:41:35):
I think so?

Speaker 9 (02:41:37):
I mean if I'm out of shift. I'm trying to
reach out to Abby Lowell and telling Abby Lowell to
devote some time to my case. Mister shiftscape, because mister
Shiff recalled was in the van guard in terms of
attacking mister Trump and Trump one point zero in terms
of the attempt to impeach mister Trump, which of course

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did not succeed.

Speaker 6 (02:42:01):
He has his own special.

Speaker 9 (02:42:02):
Name for Adam Schiff. Pencil neck is the insult he
tosses at him casually. So Adam shifp is next. The
only question is who follows Adam Shipp.

Speaker 2 (02:42:14):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:42:15):
You know what, doctor Hornet, this reports, this haven't seen
and I sort of alluded to this about the where
the court cases taking place today, and I'm looking for
it on me because brief from from somebody of one
of the leading Democrats. They may have filed that, don't know,
haven't heard about it yet. But we're not seeing a
lot of back room from the Democratic Party. Why not?

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Are they complicit to what's going on? Did they know
what's going on? They and they just is all this
just theater for us?

Speaker 9 (02:42:43):
Well, I think it's a mixed picture of hawking.

Speaker 5 (02:42:46):
Jefferies.

Speaker 9 (02:42:46):
I'm sure would argue that they're standing up to Trump
with regard to these healthcare subsidies. That's a contributing factor
with regard to the government's shutdown and the fact that
they say that they will not vote to open the
government until they get some sort of guarantee about healthcare
of subsidies. But at the same time, I think we
have to recognize that with regard to the black community,

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our interests are all are often swept under the rug
because in some ways it goes back to the Civil War.
That is to say that you have a substantial percentage
of the electorate who still are angry about the fact
that they lost the Civil War, that the slave were emancipated,

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and that struggle still continues on a certain level.

Speaker 1 (02:43:36):
I guess I'm reaching for a twenty at after the
top of the fact that it's court here and that
is going to take place today, and the NAACP Legal
Defense Fund that they're they're the ones who are going
to defending this measure. I'm looking for some high powered
attorneys in the Democratic Party or members of the Democratic
Party to be there side by side, because they're the

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ones who are going to be the black vote's going
to be impacted, and you know, black folks vote Democrat
more than anybody else. But it doesn't seem like, don't
see like they're coming to their aid. I'm not sure.
Maybe they are filed some of Meeka's briefs and then
we don't know. Maybe that there are they're going to
be there and show up this morning at the court
hearing at nine o'clock. Well it started right now. But

(02:44:16):
how do you see that? Dude? That's my question. I
don't see you say that, you know, Uh, Jefferies will
say that they are pushing back, but in this case,
this particular case, if the one that they say it
is so important, would be devastating if our voting rights
A kurtail. Don't see they seem to be mi I A.
How do you see that?

Speaker 9 (02:44:38):
Well? I agree with you to a certain extent. I
mean it's a short walk, as you well know, from
Capitol Hill to Supreme Court building. I mean it takes
about three minutes to make that job. And it would
be quite useful if King Jefferies, Chuck Schumer, leaders and
Aggressional Black Caucus would hold a press conference and part

(02:45:02):
in front of the Supreme Court endorsing the efforts of
the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund, Because, as you suggest,
if the Voting Like Act goes down, the Democratic Party
goes down right along with it.

Speaker 1 (02:45:18):
And they know that. They've got to know that. That's
why my question is, is it's this theore they're part
of it game too? Is it complicit they know what's
going to happen and they just go they're just playing
a role? Or are they shares or our folks are
misguided in thinking that they're going to come and help us.

Speaker 9 (02:45:36):
What's a part of it? Is this campaign, don't That
is to say that the Voting Rights Act of nineteen
sixty five is not high on the list of priorities
of many campaign donors, and therefore that trickles down to
ensure that it's not high on the list of priorities
of many leaders of the Democratic Party. Although I think

(02:45:59):
that in their heart of heart, they recognize once again
that if the Voting Rights Act is severely wounded, wounded,
or even overthrown, that their electual efforts will suffer.

Speaker 1 (02:46:12):
Accordingly, thirty minutes at the top, they our family guests
doctor Gerald Horn from the University of Texas. As I mentioned,
it's going to be in town this weekend, actually Friday,
in Silver Spring. We're going to give you more information
about that. But let's take another call for doctor Horne.
At twenty nine away from the top of the hour,
Brother Collie's calling is from Waldorf is online too, Grand Rising,
Brother Collice, your question for doctor.

Speaker 17 (02:46:33):
Horn, Grand Rising to you, my brother Carl and the
esteemed guests. Doctor Horn, I would just want to make
a comment on the devils behind the throne of one
Donald J. Trump, and I want the family to be
aware and I hope you are of the man that

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is behind all of this litigation brought against Letitia James,
Lisa Cook, Marilyn Moseby. What have you a man by
the name of Bill POULTI p U L t E.

Speaker 6 (02:47:08):
Who is a.

Speaker 17 (02:47:12):
Man behind the manufacture of homes known throughout America and
the real estate industry. And so I wanted to if
you could expound on that and to comment on that
and to understand that Donald Trump has many devils behind
him that bring about these indictments and heinous policies that

(02:47:39):
are being instigated today.

Speaker 9 (02:47:44):
Well, indeed, not only Bill Poulty, who has access to
mortgage records which means that anyone who owns a house,
for example, is particularly and notably in jeopardy because he
can pour through those records and find that I has
not dotted and tea is not crossed at Lindsay Halligan

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to bring an indictment in Virginia. But it's not only Pulsi,
it's aunt. Martin recalled that he did not cut the
mustard for being the US Attorney for the District of
Columbia and had to step down. He has been a
cheerleader or the January sixth, twenty twenty one editions, he
has been taking videos in front of the James Home

(02:48:27):
in Brooklyn, for example. I could go on with the
whist of devils behind mister Trump. I could also mention
Miriam Adleson, the billionaire who controls the Dallas Mavericks basketball team,
not to mention casinos in both Nevada and Macaw. Part
of the people from Public of China recalled that mister

(02:48:47):
Trump gave a shout out to her during that meeting
in Egypt the other day, and interestingly enough, even though
she's a US national, mister Trump said he's not able
to say if she with US birds or Israel first,
but I thought, what's quite selling and it's not one
of mister Trump's rare Republican opponents, speaking of Prongressman Thomas

(02:49:08):
Massey of Kentucky. Let's put that in the campaign at
because Adelson and Trump are going after Massey because he's
crossed swords with both.

Speaker 17 (02:49:20):
I thank you. I answer one follow question, and this
is this is a little bit different aspect. If you
are familiar with the Cronus complex, which is expounded in
the Iceman's Inheritance by Michael Bradley and with a pre
word by doctor Hand doctor John Henry Clark, it gives

(02:49:42):
us an insight into the personality, the deficits, and the
personality type of things that we are we are we
are going against in the Donald Trump, which is a
highly racialized, misoginalized, a type of complex coming out of

(02:50:02):
the Ice ages. And if you want to come in
on that also, I appreciate it. Thank you to taking
my call.

Speaker 9 (02:50:12):
Well, well, I agree that there is deep seated misogyny
woman hated. You see that reflected and this made up
indictment against Chiss James. You see deep seated white supremacy
once again, that is reflected in the indictment of Tis
James is reflected what I said a moment or two ago.

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There are those on the Republican side of the aisle
who have not gotten over the fact that they were
on the losing side ideologically in the US Civil War
and of course lost billions of dollars in property and
enslaved Africans' bodies, and have been thirsting for revenge of response,

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which led to the formation of the Ku Klux Klan.
And you still have echoes of that.

Speaker 1 (02:51:01):
To this very day, twenty five away from the top.
You mentioned Marion Adelson, and I want to go back there,
doctor Horn, not just her, but several American Israelis or
American Jews. They I'm not knocking them, let me get
that straight up front, but they seem to give a
lot of support to Israel. And there's nothing wrong with that,

(02:51:22):
you know, I'm gonna tell people how to spend their money.
But I'm wondering white seems like on our side, apart
from Danny Glover, and I've been scratching my head thinking
of which you know in our community, who's given Africa
some full throated support like these folks do for Israel.
Do you know of anybody.

Speaker 9 (02:51:42):
Not really, but obviously there's a difference because with regard
to these prosign that's beigonaires like Miriam Adleston or Bill
Ackman of New York City who led to charge against
the first black woman president of Harvard cluding Gate, making
sure she was ousted from office, are in syne with
us for policy. However, if you're supporting this the hell bason,

(02:52:07):
you're not mistake with more.

Speaker 1 (02:52:09):
Policy right hold on thought right there, We've got to
step aside for our last break. I'll let you expand
on that when you get back. Twenty four minutes away
from the top there. I guess the doctor Gerald Horn
also as a mission's going to be in Silver Spring, Maryland.
If you're in the DMV era, if you're in Baltimore too,
come on down and see doctor Hornt on Friday. Well,
give information about that when we get back, and we'll
also take your phone calls at eight hundred and four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll do that

(02:52:31):
next and Grand Rising family nineteen minutes away from the
top there. Thanks for being making us part of your
morning ritual each and every morning here on this program.
My guest is doctor Gerald Horn from the University of Houston.
Before we go back to doctor Hornt, just won't mind
you tomorrow. You know, look at the Millium Man March,
the anniversary thirty years ago, Minister Lewis far Kahan commissioned
a black man to come to the Capitol and they

(02:52:52):
showed up. People say it was more like two million
brothers who showed up. And you know they've been discounting
the numbers, but folks who are there say, probably we've
braught three mealing. So anyway, we're gonna speak to one
of the architects. When Minister Farca and decided to do this,
one of the first persons he called actually was doctor
Milana Karenga, you know, and for the for the concerts,
the doctor Karenga in fact wrote the manifesto for the

(02:53:14):
Million Man March. He's going to tell us about some
of the phone calls and how they put this thing together.
And so that's going to be tomorrow. So if you're
in Baltimore, actually keep your radio locked and tight on
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FM ninety five point nine at am fourteen fifty w L.
All Right, doctor Horne, you gotta be in Silver Spring
on Friday, give us the information that's correct.

Speaker 9 (02:53:34):
Six thirty pm the Montgomery College Downtown Silver Spring campus
launching my my newest book.

Speaker 6 (02:53:44):
The Capital of Slavery, Washington, d c.

Speaker 9 (02:53:46):
Eighteen hundred to eighteen sixty five, obviously with contemporary echoes
for today. Be there a B square.

Speaker 1 (02:53:54):
All right, we'll give you that information again before you leave.
And let me just say I oversay this. Whenever our
scholars come to any town that you're in, make sure
you go and see them. You know, well, I didn't
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I didn't get this answs toe neely Fuller that you're
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That's that's that's my request for you this morning. Uh,

(02:54:16):
Doc Harle. The election caught up next month. The key
two key gubnatorial races wanting New Jersey wanting Virginia. What
are the chances are that they flip or the chances
that the Democrats can hold a whole play in these races?

Speaker 9 (02:54:32):
Well, in the cavalier state, Virginia wins them. Series The
Black Woman Republican is in hot water. That is to say,
the Republicans are full of contradictions. On the one hand,
they try to argue that they're quote colorblind, unquote. On
the other hand, they know that they are viewed understandably

(02:54:53):
as the party of flight supremacy. So they feel that
they have to trot out these black stooges from time
to time to aspire to hire office, not apparently aware
of the fact that their constituency, the Republican Party constituency,
has a visceral negative reaction to black candidates. And so

(02:55:13):
I would say, in that context, when some serious is doomed,
which regard to New Jersey, that's the hearts of a
different color, because you've had these records release concerning the
Democrat governor Maiden Sheryl that do not necessarily reflect well

(02:55:36):
on her according to the Republicans. At the same time,
New Jersey is a blue state, so it's going to
be closed, but it's still too close to call.

Speaker 1 (02:55:48):
Got you sixteen away from the Top. Tony's checking in
from Seattle, Washington. He's online to Grand Rising Tony, your
question for doctor Horn.

Speaker 14 (02:55:57):
Yes, a Grand Rising to the GROS wanted to ask
doctor Horn after Trump trashed the world leaders with telling
them their countries.

Speaker 1 (02:56:10):
It was no good.

Speaker 14 (02:56:11):
How's going forward? How are the relationship is going to
be between the United States and the world, And also
he trashed the military leaders too, So how is all
this going to play out?

Speaker 5 (02:56:27):
Well?

Speaker 9 (02:56:27):
I think on the one hand, you're going to see
the Europeans who will continue to smile in mister Trump's faith,
but behind the scenes they're trying to look for new
trading partners, particularly with Brazil led Mercasoor, particularly with ostinon
the Association of Southeast Asian Nations for example. I don't

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know if you saw the spectacle of shaw Mill Shake Egypt,
where mister Trump really did not treat Chur Stormer, the
British Prime Minister, which respect, for example, as if he
were a school teacher summoning a pupil. He has the
Chris Starmer, who was standing behind him, to come up

(02:57:12):
just show his.

Speaker 6 (02:57:12):
Face, and rather.

Speaker 9 (02:57:16):
Remarkably, Chris Starmer decided to obey that command. So I
think that on the one hand, many of the so
called allies the United States are smiling in mister Trump's face,
but behind the scenes they're trying to cut new deals
with new partners.

Speaker 1 (02:57:33):
All right, Thanks, Tony. Oh you have a follow up question.
Go ahead, Tony, you have a follow up question. Oh,
I think he hung up fourteen away from the top.
Let's talk some sports right now, doctor Horn, Who do
you like? The baseball playoffs are on the way. Who
would you like do you think's going to prevail?

Speaker 9 (02:57:54):
Oh? The LA Dodgers, clearly. I mean they have one
of the biggest budgets, if not the biggest budget. They
have the biggest stars with shoe hay Otani. They have
the most flexible stars. Lookie Bets, who is an All
Star right fielder, one of the best in the games,
but sacrifice for the team and moved in to play shortstop.

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They have one of the best pitchers in the game,
speaking of Blake Snell, not to mention mister Otani. The
two ways offensive win. So the smart money is on
a Dodger. It seems to me.

Speaker 1 (02:58:29):
All right, Well, how about the other team in La
eld Sport, the Lakers. Lebron's not going to start. The
season starts next week. How do you see them?

Speaker 9 (02:58:42):
It's going to be a long season for LA basketball fans,
not only the Lakers, but the Clippers fans, who, as
you know they have this scandal hanging over them with
regard to payments from a corporation to Kawide Leonard, who,
as you know, oftentimes sits out most of the seasons
for various reasons. If I'm betting on the NBA playoffs

(02:59:06):
in the late spring of twenty twenty six, my money
has to go on to OKC Thunder for example, or
even my own Houston Rockets with Kevin Durant of the DMV.

Speaker 5 (02:59:20):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:59:21):
How about Milwaukee Milwaukee's for the first time, they have
three brothers, blood brothers on the same team. How do
you see that? Do you see that as a way
to keep it? And I hate the term greek feet
black camp announced his name, I know you can is
that they signed his brothers just to keep him on
the team. How do you see that?

Speaker 9 (02:59:39):
Well, probably so, because Giannis has been making noises about
going to New York. I've even seen trade packages that
would probably caused him to be traded to New York.
And Nianis has won one championship thus far, but like
any player, he wants more because not only is that

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a sign of your greatness, it also brings them more income.
As le Bron when you win more championships. So that's
the state of play in Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (03:00:13):
In the NFL, it just doesn't seem like any team
has really stood out. It seems like is this is
because this parody in the league, or how do you
see you know, one time we thought the Chiefs were
looking good. Man, they've lost a few. The Ravens touted
as Super Bowl contenders. They some injuries have taken them out.
Same for the Washington Commanders and several other teams. How

(03:00:36):
do you see that it is because it's parody in
the league. Wha they It seems so even right now.

Speaker 9 (03:00:43):
Well, I was surprised and disappointed that the Commanders lost
the Chicago Bears. Like many, I'm stunned by how the
Baltimore Ravens have fallen by the wayside. Keep your eye
on the Detroit Lions, even though, as I recall, they
weren't able to beat the Kansas City Chiefs. But they
have this young brother on their team as a wide receiver.

(03:01:03):
I'm monraw Brown, who's not only a top wide receiver
out of USC University of Southern California, but it's trent lingual,
speaks English, German, and French, and is obviously highly intelligent,
and his parents are looking for role models. Look no
further than the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 1 (03:01:23):
All right, ten away from the top Cleveland brown So
what's their problem with starting? Should do? What's what's happening
with Bear is the coach? Is he on the fire
or of a management tell him? Don't don't start him?
Is this some collusion that they're trying to punish him?
How do you see what's going on in Cleveland?

Speaker 5 (03:01:40):
Well, stay tuned.

Speaker 9 (03:01:41):
I mean they got rid of Joe Flacco, they shipped
him down the highway to Cincinnati, and now standing in
front of mister Sanders is only doing Gabriel. I think
it's only a matter of time between Gabriel is pinched
and mister Sanders steps up. So stay tuned. I think
that the Cleveland Browns they wanted to win football games

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and that mandates a change at the quarterback position.

Speaker 1 (03:02:10):
So but it seems like they he was I'm glad
he keeps his head on straight because it seems like
they were totally against him. Is wondering why they traded
for him if they're not going to play, But now
it seems like they may be forced to play if
things don't turn out well in the next game.

Speaker 9 (03:02:27):
Well, I think you may have seen that episode in
the locker room of the Cleveland Browns when they were
asking should do a senders about his status, and he
was tens mind me, he was just mouthing comments and
mouthing responses as if he knew that he said something

(03:02:48):
that would be viewed negatively, he'd probably be shipped to
Green Bay or even to the Canadian Football League for example.
So he's being patient. He has a good team behind him,
spearheaded by his dad, Prime Time himself Dion Standers, who
of course has some health challenges which I'm sure he'll overcome.

Speaker 1 (03:03:11):
And speaking about Prime at the Colorado Buffalo's, how do
they look? They've been up and down this season. Who'd
you see in the college football ranks? And this really
stands out well.

Speaker 9 (03:03:23):
The Buffaloes were able to beat Iowa State. I was
really surprised by that. I was also surprised by the
fact that Penn State has really fallen down lately. They
were tilted as a number one pick going into this season.
They just fired their black coach, James Franklin, and they're
looking for a new coach, although you know he's getting
a forty nine million dollar bailout, so you know you

(03:03:45):
don't need to shedny tears for him. He won't be
in the unemployment line unless he chooses to do so.
So going forward, I guess I have to look at
the Georgia Bulldogs although their record is I have to
look at the Alabama Crimson Tide, even though their record

(03:04:07):
is blemished. I have to set aside the Texas Longhorns
because I think they have been overrated. I have to
set aside the USD Trojans. I think that they're overrated too.
And like wise for the Oregon Ducks.

Speaker 1 (03:04:21):
How about the unbeaten Miami Hurricanes. They're number two and.

Speaker 9 (03:04:25):
Beating Miami Heriton and Ohio State. How could I form
my lips to talk about college football without talking about
the Ohio State buck Eyes for example. In fact, as
you correctly suggest, at the end of the season, it'll
probably come down to the Miami Hurricanes and the Ohio
State Buckeyes.

Speaker 1 (03:04:46):
That'd be a great game. Shaving away from the top.
Dr Horne, you're gonna be at Montgomery College campus that
folks are asking me to if you can give them
again the name, the time, the date, the time and
the location on the college where you're going to be
on Friday, Friday.

Speaker 9 (03:05:03):
October seventeenth, so a few days from now, indeed six
thirty pm, the downtown campus can fill the spring of
Montgomery College six thirty pm launching my newest book, The
Capital of Slavery, Washington DCC eighteen hundred to eighteen sixty five,
with obvious parallels to what's unfolding today as we speak.

Speaker 1 (03:05:27):
And where on campus that's that's one of the they
want to be specific where on campus you're going. Do
you know where on campus you're going to be speaking?

Speaker 9 (03:05:33):
I think it's called the Cultural Center, But go to
event bright or go to my Facebook page for further details.

Speaker 1 (03:05:40):
And the book tell us about the book. You're going
to have comparisions to what's going on today. It's in
the book. Is that in the book or is just
going to make comparisons?

Speaker 8 (03:05:49):
Well both.

Speaker 9 (03:05:50):
I mean, I think that it's no accident that Washington
is oftentimes referred to as Chocolate City, and despite gentrification,
that nickname still holds. That goes back to the era
of slavery, when there was both a fear and dependence
on the enslaved population. Fear that they would rise up

(03:06:11):
and revolte as net Turner did in August eighteen thirty one,
but dependent because the machinery of the city of Washington
was heavily dependent upon free black labor. And indeed, if
you scroll through the White House today, you'll continue to
see a profusion of black workers, although today even with

(03:06:34):
the lockdown, I think that they're paid.

Speaker 1 (03:06:38):
Right five away from the top. Are one more time?
Just give us the information and where folks can get
more information, because I want to have folks to turn
out to see you on Friday again. I always say,
whenever our scholars come to town, family, anty town. You
hear they're in town, please go out there and support
them and see them. Then you can say that you
actually saw you and shook hands with doctor Jerald Horner
any of our scholars. But he's going to be there Friday,

(03:07:00):
So give us again the information, doctor horn Well, once again,
you can.

Speaker 9 (03:07:04):
Go to event bright or go to my Facebook page
under my name jer Old morn h r n E.
Or just note Friday, October seventeenth, six thirty pm, downtown
Silver Spring, Campus of Montgomery College in Maryland.

Speaker 1 (03:07:23):
All right, family, so please show up and I'm sell
of you. Some of the stuff that you can't talk
about on the radio can talk about in person. There,
that's another reason why you to show up and speak
with doctor Horn. Doctor Horn, thank you, thank you, thank
you for sharing all this information with us this morning.

Speaker 9 (03:07:36):
Thank you for inviting.

Speaker 1 (03:07:38):
All Right, family, that's it for the day. Have a
good day. Class is dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive, please
please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock
right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB, and also
in the DMV on FM ninety five point nine and
AM fourteen fifty WOL.

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