Dr. James Taylor, Dr. Denise Turley & Malik Spellman on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week
with us again. We hope we had a great weekend. Later,
black politics expert doctor James Taylor will join us. Doctor
Taylor will discuss what he terms the white blacklash in politics.
You'll analyze the Supreme Court hearing that could decrease black
representation in politics. Also talk about California's Proposition fifty, white

(00:22):
nationalism and the white Church, and more. But before we
hear from doctor Taylor, AI advisor and educator, doctor Denise
Turley will join us. So I'm gonna tell the gang
interventists and journalists. Manie Spelman will check in. But let's
get Kevin to ordin up the classroom doors on this end.
And that's my name, that's your name. Yeah, I lost

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your day just thinking about the football game.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Man.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
You know, I think about you all that game because
the Cowboys put on the clinic they did.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
They did. Sometimes you win some, you learn some, and
sometimes your opponent is your instructor.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Right, that's where they prepared to be great.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
I mean, it was beautiful weather, though good graces made
my television look like it was expensive or something. All
the sunshine and you know, the burgundy and gold in
contrast to the blue and white. And I'm convinced that
the Cowboys cheerleaders or have the best uniform in cheerleading business.

(01:24):
Apparently they just looked great. Everything looked great except the game.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
And shut the game. You know what, game sort of
looked like it looked like it's to longer. Look kind
of like in slow motion to you, didn't it take
sort of? I don't know, but maybe it was wrong,
maybe because you know the score and what was going on,
the domination, but it looked looked like a slow punishment.
It was like it was.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, exactly, man, it was just it looked like a
drag for a bit. Too many replays of the casualties.
They were replaying everything. However, I haven't seen a touchback
and I don't think I've ever seen a professional touch back,
and I've heard of them. But that first two points

(02:08):
that the defense got, which was pretty encouraging at the
beginning of the game. And how does that work?

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Actually, well, you know, it speaks to the teams are
so well coached these days. They don't necessarily make those
kind of mistakes. You know, you'll see sometimes you'll see
it at the high school level and very real. Do
you see that the college level as well, So definitely
not much of the professional level that you see the touchback,
but yeah, it was interesting.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Here's another thing though, that Kevin quarterback is out.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah man, oh yeah, you're breaking news.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, it's something about his h and that is achilles
and his hamstring. That's it. Jaden Daniels injured his hamstring
in the game versus the Cowboys and it looks like
he might be out for a while. And Marioto is
back to lead the team again unless he hurts himself.

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And then there's the guy Josh Johnson who's next, So
you know, guess it's the guys with the alliteration in
their names.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
But here's the deal to it. Jon Daniel's mom was
upset after the game. I know if you heard this,
because people are comparing him to RGI three. You know,
Archie three had a great first year, then he flamed
out and just about washed out out of the league.
She was upset. She don't compare my son to RG three,
you know, because now he's injured sort of like RG
three got injured too and then sort of just just

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went down the tubes. So she's like adam it. He
went to social media. Don't compare my son with RG three.
He's not RG three.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Well the comparison I made, you know, not of the individuals.
It's something about the playbook that's got the quarterback running
more than he needs to be. It seems to me
it's something there's that play. There's that play leads to
the quarterback being heart that's what That's what it seems

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to mean. Because Jade and Daniel was already heard. He
got well, he came back in and boomed some play.
There's a play that's not working out now. Never mind
the fact that the guy in the Cowboys team, you know,
it was overly rough with the quarterback. Yeah no, there's that.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Hopefully rough, intimidating. That's what they did, you know, because
they figured these youngsters, welcome to the league. You know,
this your second year. But what's interesting, though, Kevin, is
that next week they played the Chiefs. The Chiefs. The
Chiefs just ran over the Raiders, you know, like thirty
one nothing. So you know, if any solid so we

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could take anything that at least the Commander scored. The
Raiders couldn't score against the Chiefs. So we'll see what
happens next week.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Oh yeah, the Chiefs beat the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yep, thirty one zip. So you know, Raiders couldn't get
into it band zone. Man. So but but there that
that that's the Commander's next team they play next week.
So man, watch that.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Quite a shut out there. Like I said, you win
some or you learn some. Hey look, speaking of learning,
what about the note kings nationwide protests? Uh, there were
the subways were all filled of people with flags and
signs and things of that nature. But on the streets

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there were people in uh, inflated costumes of I saw
a unicorn, and there was a pig, a frog, a dragon,
all kinds of of looked like a parade was going
on more so than a protest. And according to NPR,
they said that people were wearing those costumes too, so

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that it wouldn't be misconstrued as a violent protest. They
said that, you know, you they show a picture of
an inflated pig on the news, is no way you
could call it violent anything other than a protest. So
they say that it was designed to be to show
that they're united in protests to protect America, and the

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flags and the demonstrators said no kings, no tyrants, and
it's representing the freedom the US was founded upon, you know,
in certain circles. And then the Trump administration and the
Republican lawmakers weighed in. House Speaker Mike Johnson slam the
Saturday's protests as a hate America rally. You know, they

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like the brand and then rebrand these things, you know.
Connecticut House Republican leader Vincent Candelora told the Connecticut Public
that he considered the no kings message protest divisive. He
also doesn't share protesters concerns, but supports their right to
exercise their First Amendment rights. See.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
But you know what I was looking for, Kevin, I
was looking for our folks. That's always, you know. I
guess that's that's a trait that I have, whether they're
being a commercials or being the stands, or whether you
be in Europe or Brazil or anywhere. Always where are
people at? I didn't see too many of our folks
out there.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Man, And you know, think about it, isn't yeah that
was interested? This is their fight, right, Yeah, it seems
like it.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
See that's that's something we probably asked doctor Taylor about
because it seems like university of black folks, said, were
sitting this one out. I looked at all the different
because you know that's at the college of the different protests.
And I looked at l A. I know, most black
folks in LA were at the taste of Soul in
this twentieth anniversary Taste the soul. The black folks are
down there on Credshaw in the hood, but they weren't

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downtown l A. They I looked at Chicago, we looked
at different places in Miami, d C. I'm looking for
our folks, and just a smattering every now and then
you see and something is he one of us or
from our from another tribe? You know, you look at
yellow group, but then were flashing so fast you couldn't
really tell. But that was interesting. Yeah, I folks sort

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of sat this one out.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, sitting this one out. And again getting back to
the NPR article, they're talking about the peaceful protest people
were singing songs. They said there was a group that
sang the song from the play Hamilton, and the song
was called the Story of Tonight. I don't know if
you saw Hamilton, or for those who did see it,

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it was adopted into a movie. And he actually played
it in the theater down the street a couple of
weeks ago, and there's a song about the story of
tonight as they begin their protests. So this is really interesting,
Carl and I don't feel that we need to be

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out there. We need to let them settle this, let
them get this straight. Yeah, they'd love for us to
be out there, right. They they've even tried to do
some stuff, you know, put some fabricated pictures of our young,
our young black men out there protesching saying things negative
things about the administration, and people researched it and found

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out that it was doctor. It was ai picture that
was taking for a picture some brothers somewhere else, and
they tried to make you know if they were the
ones who were posted. But it's not working because it
seems like somehow, universally, our folks have just figured out, hey, man,
we're sitting this one out. Y'all got that that's your fight? Yeah, well,
they're protesting Ice, and ICE is doing all kinds of

(09:34):
crazy things. The last thing I wanted to mention is
Ice tried to send one immigrant to a country he
never lived in.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Oh yeah, they've been doing that, man, You know.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
And I heard that five thousand members of ICE quit,
you know because of this protest. There's no King's rallies,
So you know, let's stay tuned for that and see
what else is coming up. Meanwhile, we've got my friend
of yours, Malik Spelman, standing by. Let's see what he thinks. Huh.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
All right, let's talk to the brother Malik, Grand Rising,
Brother Malik. Welcome back to the program's.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
City Guards and the Earth.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Good morning to you all, And I'm just tell the family.
Malik is a long time friend of a journalist. He's a
gang intervention and he's one of these few brothers. The
reports on the our brothers and sisters inside and out.
That's that's the that's his slice of the pie, if
you will. He decided to do this as part of
his Professionalism's he worked on all levels of media, print, TV, radio,

(10:35):
the whole nine yards, podcasting, He's done it all, and
that's what he does. He reports because those of the
folks are in captivity. Most of them have been neglected
and many of them once they got, you know, to
get turned in and sometimes with some minor mistakes, sometimes
some of them deserve to be there. We got to
say that, and oftentimes some of them listen to the
program out there in California, listen to the programmer. They

(10:57):
had figured out a way how to how to get
this show on the iPod. iPod, yeah, iPod until they
got it got snatched. But if if you, as the brothers,
brothers and sisters of if you hook back up and listening,
grand rising to you out there early morning out there,
because I know, uh, in captivity is deep and they
want to find out what's going on on the outside.
But brother Malik, I understand you've got You've got a

(11:21):
friend of yours with us again this morning.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yeah, I thought that it would be interesting since I'm
always you know, conversion with you all about this situation,
the brothers incarcerated and the overwhelming amount of damage that
that told Jerry Curl error created in regards to gangs
and drugs. But I've always talked to you guys about
people who have done astronomical amounts.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
I tell you, well, hold that though, right there, Melie,
before you bring on the brother tell us about that
Jerry Curl issue. Uh, And you know I used to
watch that one Why white brothers been getting a Jerry Curl?
But good goodhead is Kevin? You're still listening? If Vin
had a Jerry Curl back in the day, it probably.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, I had an asymmetric cut.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
I knew that Kevin have a Jerry Carle, got a guy.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Jerry Curle, high up fade, yeah, everything, everything but shaved head.
I'm not into that. But yeah, man, great, it was
a great shirt and Jerry.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
You know, yeah, well that's what I figured you would
have a Jericho Relik. What about you? Did you have
a Jerry Curl?

Speaker 6 (12:27):
Bro Absolutely no. I came out of family planning by accident.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
With good air.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
Okay, you know they say, you know we got the
good hair. You know, I used to say the blonde
hair was good. Actually, there was a guy that used
to come on your show and discuss hair a long
time ago, discuss blonde hair with with you know, I
have an illustectorist blacks and he was talking about the
electricity and out here and he used to come on
your show like twenty some years. I always wondered what

(12:56):
happened to that brother.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
And then Chris ront got in trouble for doing a
movie even called good hair, didn't he he had he
had a Sharpton on there and you know, almost upset,
mister Sharpton.

Speaker 6 (13:08):
Remember that my thing is my thing is you know?
And if I can say the extremely, I was part
of a show called Wild Vocals TV on YouTube in
which I did a few interviews and we had the
discussion about the Jerry cill era. And my statement to
you and you're listening out, is is that that Jerry
Kill era had to be the most destructive era known

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to the history of black community beings in the world,
contingent upon the fact that if you look at it statistically,
during the era of I think the first era was
like the Afro and then they came with the Klcolm
X Bunk I believe it was, or something of that nature.
Then they came with the finger waves. I'm not saying

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in any chronological order that I could be held to,
but I do know that each one of those hairstyles
represented a period of time black people's lives, whether it
was progress or or the opposite. And I found out
that as we were chemically induced with the Jerry carew
some of the brothers and sisters that were part of
the era, for example, the brother have on the phone.

(14:10):
Now I'll just say Clive, Baby South for now. I'll
just say that for now. But for the most part,
he did forty some years and he come out of
that product. He come out of that Jerry Carroll area.
He was formerly part of the Gang seven six East
Coast Cribs, and I wanted to let him chime in
on a.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
J You mean Elijah Spellman, right.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
Oh, that's my son. He's going to chime in as well.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Okay, hold I thought that, fella s, we're all to
step aside for a I don't want to just break
your rhythm. But yet the Jerry Cole era, and you're
quite right, there was a guy I can't think of
his name now. He spent a lot of money, made
a lot of money. But he had one of the
Jered Carroll products, and he spent a lot of money
with our station advertising Jerry Cole. And he made a
ton of money. I mean when I say a ton

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of money, he made a ton of money selling Jerry
Calls to the brothers. Anyway, we'll talk about when we
get back in seventeen minutes. At the top, they our
family just waking up our guess. There's Milik Spellman. Brother
Milik is a journalist. He's also a gang interventionist. He
helps the brothers and sisters inside and out the joint.
May see this morning, he's got some people with him
as well. You want to speak to him, reach out
to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

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eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next
and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us
on this Monday morning. I guess the Malik spelling Milik
is a gang interventionist. He's also a journalist. He works
on all levels of media and his specialty is working
with our brothers and sisters inside and out. And those
are brothers who are incarcerated. So, Malik, you were about
to discuss about this Jerry Curle era that we went through,

(15:39):
whether we survived you were blessed with good here. I
think I was blessed with great hair because I got
the super curly natural hair that I've had, you know,
and I'm proud of that one. But Kevin went. They
are the end of the fact that he went and
got a Jerry Curle. So explain what all this means.
Connect the dots for the Milik.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
I believe that Jerry coll because I watched it from
conception to completion. And I've watched the circumstances that evolved
around it through the drug era and the situation with
brothers like Michael Jackson, Wyn Pun Pearls and Prints and
all these different individuals. But from my perspective and from

(16:19):
the platform that I'm on, you know the gentleman who,
for example, it benefited black black merchants by the way
of selling Jerry Corow products and buying ads on Kate
j Elash or whatever. Mister Frank Davey, who had vented
the boiler curls, the product that goes in your head
once you get the hair done. So I'd noticed that

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all the brothers that had the Jerry Corow error died
of tragic death or they went to prison for a
long time where the father was on truck. There was
always something that told me that they were chemically induced
with something based on the fact that they put those chemicals, which,
by the way, I don't think you would probably be
able to put those same chemochrys in your there today
if we was to try it and try that same thing.

(17:02):
So I bought him. I'm gonna say aka formerly pry
Baby sal to discuss the thirty or forty years that
he did United Wall under the Jerry Girl Act.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
All right, before we go there, let me just remind
you this is what I like about our listen. We
have some great listeners. Family. Just tell me the name
of the person I was saying, Well, Willie Morrow. He
was a barber, and well, he operated a radio station
down in San Diego. He just wanted to push the
Jerry call. But he spent a lot of money advertisement.
When I say a lot of money, he spent a
lot of money with us on the radio. But go
ahead and Malika and introduce the brother.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
Yeah, so I'm going to introduce him, and then as well,
I have my son, Elijah's spelman on the line. And
this is something that'll be an exclusive to the Carl
Nelson Show. I want to know his perspective on what
it's like being the son of an activist. I mean,
just for example, to set up the conversation. While I'm
out saving lives, so well, at least attempting to, I

(17:58):
come home with my son out riding across his stomach,
you know.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
So we'll go from.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
There, but salvaging. Please introduce yourself to this wonderful listening audience.
That's been anticipating your arrival back to society for over
thirty years.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
Yes, sir, my government name is Ernest Rondelle grand Berry
and uh, when I was in the crypts, I was
known as Cribdenshaw. But uh, I've had a transformation since
then for decades now, and my name is Mujahid mujah
Had o'bula to be zac. I'm a Muslim and h.

(18:37):
In regards to the Jerry Carroll era, Meligue, I have
to say that was an interesting take that you had
about the chemicals, and you never failed to surprise me
because I never thought about the inducement of chemicals into
the into the body and having that type of effect.
So that's something to think about my experience with that.

(19:00):
I have to agree that the Jerry Carroll era was
the era where you had some of the worst gang
wars in the history of Los Angeles. That's what I
remember about that Jerry Crow era, and it also ushered
in the Craft era in Los Angeles. I was arrested

(19:21):
in February of nineteen eighty three, on the sixteenth I
was eighteen years old. By the time that I turned nineteen,
I was in saying Quentin prison, and I stayed in
prison for forty one years. By the merchant grace of God,
I'm out and.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
My contribution well, hold I though right there, and hold
I thought right there, brother, because many of us have
done forty years and be able to talk about it,
explain to us as an eighteen year old, they're a teenager,
and you get and you hear the sentence that you're
given forty years. I don't know how many they gave
you other time. What went through your mind? And what

(20:04):
did you do to deserve forty years to have to
do forty years?

Speaker 7 (20:07):
Well, without going into great details, it was the robbery
that went bad. Put it that way. Two people were
shot and one person died, and I was convicted as
aiding in the betting. And they have a charge in
La Well, California, called feeling in murder. So even though

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I wasn't the person who killed the victim, I still
got the murder charge. And so I was originally given
twenty seven to life at the age of eighteen.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
And at that how did that make you feel though?
Because you didn't pull the trigger? Shout? Which how did
that make you feel though? Because you didn't pull the trigger,
but you were there. How did that make you feel?
I mean, it's like, I'm fair, but I didn't do it.
I'm innocent and yes, sir, I gotta do time. How
did that make you feel when you upset with your

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homies because because of what they did, or or you're
down with what. I just want to know?

Speaker 7 (21:07):
Surprisingly not uh I have to, I have to, I
have to enlighten you or something.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (21:15):
I was a very ignorant young man at the time.
I was very uh deep into the gang culture. And
so we had this ethos of sorts that said that
you know, when you went on the mission, you rolled
with them. It didn't matter what you did if you
was on the mission. Everybody's on the mission together. You

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hold your water and you do your time as you
get cracked. And so even though that sounds so ignoramis
to me now, at the time, I thought I was
being down, you know what I'm saying. I thought I
was staying low to the calls of cricket, which is

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you know, now, I understand a budget nonsense did caught
thousands upon thousands of our youth up into this so
called lifestyle. There's really a death style.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
You know.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Hold, I thought right there. Hold, I thought, right there,
twenty this is an interesting family. Twenty six mans out
of the top Ed just joined. His brother Malik, has
had some fellows fellas, been in the joint for forty
years and he's telling us about his life. So at
what time in that process did you say, wow, that
was not worth it? What when did you have an enlightenment?
And what changes around? Because you mentioned now you've got

(22:34):
to Muslim names, I'll take it you converted to Islam.
Was that when you had the wake up?

Speaker 7 (22:42):
Well, let me let me clarify something which even allowed
that my trip partners didn't know. For many years, long
before I was a gang member, I was a member
of the Nation of Islam as a child who my
mother marrying a minister in the Nation of Islam. So

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even before I got caught up in the gang culture,
I had some understanding of a type of Islam. And
before that it was the church. I was a boy preacher,
you know, as a child, I knew the Bible, and
so I wasn't the typical gang member. I had an
understanding of structure, blackness, and organization, but it wasn't in

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the heart. And you know, it doesn't matter what you
know or experience. If it doesn't reach the heart, it
doesn't take root, you understand. And so I was fascinated
by the streets, even though I had that background, I
was fascinated by the streets. I was fascinated by guns.
I was fascinated by the girls. The tough guys had

(23:48):
all the girls. And so you know, I got caught
up in that, just like all the other catch that
was in my little crew, so to speak. And so
I gravitated towards Crippin. But I want to get back
to if you don't mind, you ask me how I
felt at that young age getting all that time. And
this is something that's very important, I think, and this

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show won't give us enough time to really delve into it.
But the psychology of the young black male and female
mind just caught up in those streets. It's something that
needs to be studied more. And for me, the fascination
is what got me, and it's what gets a lot

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of our youth. But it's not just the fascination. It's
trauma connected to all of this nonsense. So all of
the cats that I knew, with very few exceptions, they
were victims of trauma. You know, and they addressed their
trauma by trying to find or feel empty stations in

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their lives with alcohol, with drugs, with guns and excitement.
And I was of those who got caught up into that.
And so when I went to fifty and I saw
it as a badge. Now that sion is very ignorant
right now, but you know, I remember in the county jail, uh,
we were all in the tank is nothing but crips,

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and everybody was talking about what they was gonna do
when they went to prison. And I remember thinking, well, hey,
it's homies up there. They run everything. So I'm gonna
I'm I'm gonna go up there and kick it with
the homies. It was this is the type of mentality
that a lot of us had. We were lost, brother,

(25:37):
we were so lost, we were so caught up. And
it still exists today. But it's it's like it's own steroids.

Speaker 8 (25:45):
Right.

Speaker 7 (25:46):
We have a generation today that although they are violent
and they have a lot of the same traits that
we had doing the Jerry turl era. We live in
the area now where guns have what do they call
them they call the things where they they shoot rapidly,

(26:09):
and you know, a switching, thank you. I would say,
they got switches, and these guys they got they make
these crazy amounts of money from just underground wrap, not
even going mainstream. And you know they got these scams
or these guys that's making ten twenty thousand dollars a week.

(26:30):
We didn't have any of that, you know what I'm saying.
And so the stakes are higher now and the youth
will kill you over absolutely nothing now. And see, back
in my era, at least we had some moticum of
structure and purpose. We were retaliating against a particular thing

(26:52):
that happened or something like. For me, I was the
East Coast cript. Our arch enemies were Swans. We lived
side by side and you went to the same schools
and everything, and so we knew where everybody lived. So
we didn't just go around he man, I'm gonna go
kill some swans, or vice versa, I'm gonna go kill

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some ofice coaches, because we knew where your mama lived,
we knew where your present lived. And so for us,
there was purpose behind a lot of diviners. And I'm
not justifying any of it because ultimately it was all
ignorant and based upon fractricide and self hatred. But that's gone.

(27:32):
So now you have crips fighting crips, blood fighting blood.
They made a treaty with the Mexicans and are still
fighting each other, which is another thing. That just that's
why I'm in the streets doing what I'm doing. That's
one of the main reasons. And the brother Spelman contacting me.
I've been hearing about this brother. I've been reading this

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article when I was in prison. I was telling him.
He didn't even know this, but the brother shake Muhammad
ib Duda, one of my teachers, he used to cut
out the articles that the brother did in his editorial
in the for the Sentinel. There was the Black the
premier black paper at the time, and I used to

(28:16):
pass them all out through Printon in the hole because
we didn't have proper literature at the time, and so
when we would get these snippets in the article, it
would educate us, you know. And but getting back hold
up to.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
All right there at twenty seven away from the top there,
brother Malik, as I mentioned the family just waking up.
I guess his brother in Malik Spelman. He's a journalist.
He's also an anti gang intervention, and she's helping the
brothers and sisters every once they getting incarcerated and tries
to help him before they get incarcerated and then helps
them when they get out. So and as I mentioned,
he's worked on all levels of media, including print. As
the brother just mentioned, the Sentinels, the Los Angeles, the

(28:53):
major black paper in the cell in California. Brother Malik,
what kind of articles were you did you know the
sort of resonated with the brothers inside.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
Well, I tried to with the help of mister Danny Bakewell,
I was able to utilize a certain section of the
newspaper to facilitate bringing attention to the Jerry Curw generation
that was buried in the prison industrial complex. And as
a result of that, articles became contraband in the prisons

(29:23):
and some institutions. If you got caught with some of
my articles, all praise is due to a rot. But
on the on the contrary, I think that you know,
I was incarcerated before, and I know what the feeling was.
I was in the belly of the beast as Jonah
inside the whale, and I know and understand that this
Jerry curl error was something that was never heard of

(29:47):
in the imagination of black people. So consequently, I just
wanted to bring some attention to these brothers in the
era because of the influence that they have around the world.
As Minster Firecomb once stated that Hollywood had the cameras
on the world. Now the world has the cameras on Hollywood.
So everything that the brothers and sisters do in California

(30:07):
is now being done in other states crips, bloods, and
other activity that's not necessarily conducive to our survival as
of people. But for the most part, Carl, you know,
if I were to just add of the brothers that
I shook hands with at the Taste of Soul this
weekend that's been incarcerated, it would come up to over
seven hundred years. Oh wow, I know people right now

(30:33):
that baby sald was in prison with some of my homies.
Rayfield had double life plus ninety seven years. You know
that Bill brother Salve.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Because I want to be oh, well before I go any.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
Further, Carl, and then this is appropriate because I try
to use class distinction. But they let this brother out
of prison with less than two hundred dollars, and I'm
talking to your audience and I'm begging you. They let
him out with nothing, Send him something, post his number
called if you can, so that way she doesn't have
to come back, because these are the saving lives and

(31:05):
he's an asset to this community. And the brother needs
an apartment and everything. They literally put you out on
the streets with nothing, and when you do forty years
and stuff like that, you come out of your people gone,
They gone. I got ten or twenty new people that
I try to look out for every day, and I
need y'all's help. Get this brother's number. He doesn't have

(31:26):
the pay.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Palent right, we'll do that before he leaves. And let
me just say this is the family, because we're come
up on a breaker. I check the news. Brother Malik
had it, you know, as I mean, she's worked at
all levels of media, and we had him on our
radio station there and I remember the fight to get
the show on. It called Peace Treating because but then
probably for those folks listening around the country, and there
was all this gang shootings with the crips and the

(31:49):
Bloods in LA and it was just outrageous, these young
people killing each other, and I you know, had some
pushback because they didn't want to do it. Well, if
they come up here, what if they're smoking weed or
if they're bringing liquor in the radio station, we could
lose our livens and all that stuff. My retort was,
so what if we save just one life, what if
we can just help? So we said, well, they's on you.
You have to go up there every Sunday with them.
And so that's that's how the show started. Peace Treaty

(32:12):
and we probably had half of the the young black
folks in LA listening. They were in front of the
radio station blasting the show so loud that he were verberated,
and it was in feedback, and that was outside of
the building, and the roads were blocked off, and all
the Milik of the Testa this and all the folks

(32:33):
they're on Crunchaw. It's a major strip in Los Angeles,
kind of like Georgia Avenue in DC, the major thru
way through the community. That's where it was. And there
were so many people out there every Sunday and trying
to help these these brothers and sisters get straight. But anyway,
as I mentioned, we got to take to take a
quick break here. We got to take the latest news, trafficing, weather,
in our different cities. It's twenty three minutes away from

(32:54):
the top of the our family. Guess these maligue spellingist's
got some brothers and sisters from the inside out. That's
what he works with. We'll take it calls for them next. Hey,
grand Rising family, thanks of waking up with us on
this Monday morning at seventeen minutes away from the top
of the O. I guess he's a Malik's spellman. He's
a journalist and also he works with brothers and sisters
inside out. And we'll get back to in the moment.

(33:14):
Let me just remind you. Coming up later this morning,
we can speak with black politics expert doctor James Taylor
for the University of San Francisco. Also, were going to
speak with AI advice and educated doctor Denise Turley. We're
going to talk about artificial intelligence. And later this week
in here from Morgan State Professor doctor Rae Wimbush, the
Million Women March is Sister Flay will be here. You
know they we talked about the Million Man March Anniversary

(33:34):
last week. Well, the William Women's March anniversarys coming up
as well. Also, we're going to talk with National Black
Association Black Farmers President. That will be John Boyd. They
have some issues with the Trump administration. They're having a conference,
so we're going to talk to him about that. And
Grill Boba lamouve out on Moja House in DC old joinas.
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you rate
us lots and tight on ten ten WLB or if

(33:55):
you're in the DMV, we're on fourteen fifty WL. All right,
brother Malik, I'm gonna let you go ahead and finish
your thought.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Yeah if I can.

Speaker 6 (34:02):
I'm wondering if my son is still on the line,
because you know, he has to go to work and stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
But see if he's on the line because he wanted
to Elijah. Are you still with us, Elijah? Who seems
like we may have lost him?

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Brother?

Speaker 4 (34:14):
All right, so this is what I wanted to do.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
I have also, as I told you before the break
at the Taste of Soul, I shook hands with some
of my friends had recently gotten out, and they probably
equal to about seven hundred years and that may have
been five or six people.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
And all I thought right there because let me just
tell a family the Taste of Soul is it's twenty
years now, it's a bigger found in LA. There were
all these the community comes together and through the major
drag in South LA and it's being free. There's no problems.
It's kind of they made of the man marsh All,
these black folks coming together.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
They have.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Not parties, but they are all these different events that
take place around the Taste of Soul. Of course, there's
a lot of food out there, a lot of restaurants,
a lot of a lot of everything out there, entertainment
as well. Yeah, but that's what happened on Saturday, I mean,
and it was to put on by the Los Angeles
sendel on a Danny Bakele, who brother Malik used to

(35:09):
write for the newspaper. But go ahead, brother Malik.

Speaker 8 (35:12):
Yeah, and I have.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
Another guest do I'm wondering if he's still all named Tone.
Tony's still there, Yeah, I'm here. Yeah, this is brother Tone,
also one of my colleagues that was replacing my writing
and the Sentinel as a substitute right when I was
unable to do it anymore. But Tone introduced herself to
the audience and if you can, you know, to give
him give them an idea what you went through as

(35:36):
a young man and that Jerry Curle growing up in
the streets of Los Angeles, as well as the fact
that how difficult it is just getting out of not
having any finances, any real opportunities that you may want
to do to continue your freedom.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Oh oh, I'm very grateful for this opportunity to express myself.
Jerry curl Era, that's a very dominant area in my life.
I grew up in the seventies and the eighties. I
caught that Jerry curroll era with the good fred oil
that turns your hair red. And not one of the
recipients that good fred oil they used to turn my

(36:14):
hair red, but getting them Jerry crew bags. But yeah,
that's that Eddy Era was a significant era.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
In my life.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
It also was an air that helped corral me to
the industrial prison complex, you know, believing in that blue
Santa claus in Los Angeles. Coming up in them times,
it was a very challenging time for a young black
men trying to do the right thing, especially for one

(36:48):
who really wasn't trying to do the right thing. Like
I said, I ended up in the industrial complex of
thirty one years in and out trying to figure it out.
Last ten years when they started to put the R
on the rehabilitation, I had a chance to engage in
several classes and start changing my belief system a little bit.

(37:12):
And I used that to motivate me to change my
life in order to be released through the parole board
after thirty one years. And upon my release, I find well.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Before you get your release here, I got a question
for you. Twelve away from the top of app brother,
at what point did you say, I'm going down the
wrong path? I made a huge mistake?

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Was it? When?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
When did that Eureka situation hit him? Like, Wow, I'm
in the joint here, I'm not coming out. At what
point do you say, Wow, I got to make.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
A change about about twenty two years in What was it? What? What?

Speaker 1 (37:49):
What prompted it? Though? Was it something special or was
it gradual or was it overnight?

Speaker 4 (37:55):
It was a gradual process for me, because, like I say,
I was entwined in the blue philosophy, that failed narrative,
that crypt narrative, and it still had me incarcerated while
I was in jail. So I was in jail inside
of jail, So I started to read a few books
and educating myself, and I started to see my value

(38:16):
a little bit more, and I started noticing that this
crypt platform wasn't big enough for my dreams even though
I was incarcerated living in a dream graveyard. God, God
let my dreams die. So after I start educating myself
a bit, I start valuing myself and I started noticing, Hey,
a lot of the guys I'm surrounding myself with, they

(38:36):
don't value yourself. And even though we from the same
tribe we believe in the same things, I really don't
believe to the extent they believe. Because I'm starting to
value myself and educating myself, and with that knowledge, I
started seeing the difference in me. And then by just
me wanting to educate myself and not play dominos and
games and politics all the time, and doing that, I

(39:00):
start getting a little value on. I start seeing this
platform was not built and design for somebody with big
dreams and desires. Because I don't have anybody in my
peripheral vision I could see that believe what I believe,
that's real successful the way I believe God put me
in a purpose to be so acknowledging that I start seeing, like, damn,
not a lot of people who believe what I believe

(39:20):
is successful. So made me start questioning my beliefs. And
once I start questioning, that led doubt and then over years,
the cracks and crevices start betting wider.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
And then yeah, yeah, I hear that, Jo, And I'm
glad you're telling that, because we've got a lot of
young people listening and they're going down the same path
and they don't know because they're all caught up in
their feelings about their tribe and helping the brothers and
the brotherhood. I get that, and I'm glad that you're
sharing this journey with us. But one, do you have

(39:52):
any regrets? And too, do you think you that was
part of what your destiny that you got in trouble
got and then came out a better person? Answer both
of those questions for us, Well, I.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Believe everything having full reason and it's good and as God.
And I don't want to get in and be sound
too religious, because I'm not. I'm very spiritual, but I
believe that everything happen for a reason, and everything culminated
to this point of why we're speaking right now. So
I believe it's all designed and it's all written, But
we do have a responsibility and making sure that we

(40:25):
live out our purpose, and sometimes our purpose is going
through that route for we can be a blueprint and
a guy for those who are going that route to
show change. So I understand that I'm a different kind
of human being, and my struggles and the storms in
my life, the rains dropped, the dream drops hit me bigger.

(40:49):
So it storms on me a little harder than most
men through my experiences. But also notice that when the sunshine,
I get more raised than most men. That kept me
going and kept me going through my whole time spiritually.
But I realized the narrative was a feeled narrative, and
it was real hard for me to cut myself looser

(41:11):
because I don't know anything. I have built all my
reputation and all my data in my name and in
this community that I once believed in, and then try
to leave that and be becoming nobody. But I know
data when people say your name and a place that's
so violent, and your name and your reputation carries with
you more than anything, so whole that thought.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Right, that that's important. What he just said, Emilie, I'm
bringing you here eight away from the top. That what
he's saying what we're seeing it now being displayed. What
he did was on the streets, now we're seeing it
on the internet. We're seeing people say and do things
on the internet just to get likes. And this is
basically what the brother was saying. He cared more about
his personal reputation. Can you address that for us, brother Malik.

Speaker 6 (41:56):
Oh, definitely, during that Jerry call era, you put more
investment in to your gang name and your street name
and the name that your mama gave you. So there
was no investment into doctor Tone or doctor sal or
doctor Spelman. All our investments was then to you know,
representating the carnage in our community and being a part
of it. Because there's two things you're going to be

(42:16):
in this game, a pimp or how a victim or
a culprit. And we was taught that and then we
was based I thing was based on no emotions. You know,
to watch a man die and watch his family cry
was a good day for us in our life speaking collectively,
you know, and Quie Baby salth can have tested that.
And also you know, unfortunately coming to the top of hour,
because I got about three or four homies on it

(42:38):
that did over fifty years. They want to chime in
for the most part of pry Baby salth can a
test to the fact that that Jerry Kerr error with
these two brothers coming from two separate communities. I've already
introduced you to two dudes that'd done over seventy years combined.
Just they don't did more time than Mandela.

Speaker 9 (42:55):
Will be here.

Speaker 6 (42:56):
Are you understanding what they did to us in the
prison industrial complex. That's why they will never allow black
people in Los Angeles in particular, to carry firearms because
one of the interrupted prison industrial complex, it'll get rid
of their enhancements and courts, and they're not ready for
a free slave to jump out like they do in
Texas or Florida and have these jumpers with these firearms
legal and legal cars and bank accounts and stuff like that.

(43:19):
That's counterproductive. Our shaff Is only released fifteen concealed weapons permits,
and they keep us on perpetual parole or perpetual criminal
status in California for the rest of our lives. After
they disarmed Is at the age of twelve, took our Second.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Amendment rights and other rights, and family just joined us.
Is six minutes away from the top of the hour,
and if you've know a pression in your life or
in your block that you see going down the wrong way,
get a copy of this podcast and share with them.
Because what these brothers and this is why we have
these brothers on because nobody seems to be able to
reach our young people, and there's a lot of young
people are doing. What these brothers who've done a chunk

(43:56):
of time and missing lives out of their lives, you know,
part of the prison pipeline system the brother Malik reports about,
and now they're here to tell us that, hey, it's
not you know, earlier mentioned that one of the brothers
mentioned that going going to the joint was you know,
he was going to these homies were up there, and
he's gonna be happy. It's like going to grad school
and all your friends who went there before. You're gonna

(44:16):
you're gonna hang out and have fun. It's no fun.
This is what this is why we have these brother
Malik and these brothers are on this morning to tell
our young people it's no fun. You know, going going
to jail, prison is not a joke. This is a reality.
It's something that we have to address. Because he said
once you get caught up in that system, you're almost
written off. But this is where Malik comes in. He
tries to help them once they get out. Explain that

(44:39):
for us, brother, Malik, how you how you you know
how you chose this happen? Because you could as a journalist,
you could, you could be on the radio, you can
be still writing the newspapers, you could. You probably got
your own podcast show buying now. But you still chose
to help these brothers and sisters who made the wrong turn.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
Why that's what both to do this to these brothers
that you're talking to years ago?

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Can I help him speak on that this tone?

Speaker 10 (45:10):
Well?

Speaker 4 (45:10):
As one of the recipients of his help, I met
Leak Leak several years ago when we hit it off.
My goal I had a community center called Change this
Community helping all needing GUIDs in innisation to support and
when I started that from prison, Malik was a great
asset in guiding me and helping me start something positive
in the neighborhood that I once destroyed.

Speaker 8 (45:32):
And upon my.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Grand opening, I never forget Malik came up there and
supported me ever since I got it off the ground.
And also we also collaborated. I wrote a book called
to Bang or Not to Bang, a book of questions,
and this is used in Socratic method to try to
reach youth and adults, to try to give him questions,

(45:53):
not answers, because questions are the answers. So I used
questions in my book. They try to give him an
infama right and to hold that.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Though right there, we got to check the traffic and
weather or our different cities. I'll let you finish telling
us about your book when we get back. It's three
minutes away from the top of They have family and
brother Milik is our guest this morning. He's brought some
other brothers. Part of the they reincarceration effort that he's stopping.
Is a gang interventionist, also a journalist. You want to
join this discussion, reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll take
a phone calls after the traffic and weather that's next

(46:23):
and ground rising family. Thanks for starting your week with us.
Our guess is milik' spellman. Milik is a journalist. There's
a gang interventionist. He works with our brothers and sisters
inside and out of captivity. And he brought some friends
with him as usual, And you know, while we have
these discussions because many times in the black community, the
folks who make a wrong term, we sort of kick
them to the curb, and you know, and they have

(46:44):
nowhere else to turn to. And once they get out,
either they're going to go back in or they're going
to you know, create problems for us in our community.
So what brother Milik has been trying to do over
these years, and he's doing this for decades now, he's
trying to help these these brothers and sisters who have
been in and our on the outside. So Brother Malik,
I think it was Tom we're speaking with. Tony Sellon
said I'll let you finish your thought.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
Yeah, I was just saying an important role Molik had
played in me changing and me being of service once
I changed to try to you know, pay my respect
and pay my restitution back to society. He is a
big part of that guide in me and make sure
I made the right move from prison. And as he
said before, he also allowed me to take over as

(47:29):
writer when he left to do bigger things at the Signal.
I took over as a columnist writer for The Signal,
a weekly writer and on his behalf. So he gave
me the opportunity in the platform to reach people while
I was in prison, and I used that positive platform
to reach people and talk to people about the failed

(47:50):
narrative of the cripping Bloods and better avenues for us
to engage and unlearned some things that we need to unlearn,
and he was pill of that. And this world is
full circle. As the brother on the phone, sal is
one of my mentors too in prison. He was a
guy that I've seen influence and change so many locks.

(48:14):
I've never met another brother in California prison system that
affect Crypts and Bloods in a positive way, not just
because he's one of the most smartest brothers speaking Arabic
and unspiritual and religious testaments, but just a good brother
in general. And even if you didn't know him, his
reputation and change from a hell of a crypt to

(48:37):
a hell of a Muslim is so extraordinary. He was
changing people lives without even meeting him, just because of
you know how well he spoke and taught. And I
want to highlight that too, because we all encircled and
all follow the Malik's lead.

Speaker 8 (48:51):
And.

Speaker 9 (48:55):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 7 (48:56):
You know we have seen all good is from God.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Well, you know we're just flat out town. I wanted it.
Thank you brothers for joining us today. Before we go,
let me go to brother Malik Malik, how can we
people listening now? I want to help these brothers and
make sure they stay on the straight and now, big
probably if they can contact you or do you have
a website or email address so with just funnel everything
through you? Is that okay with you?

Speaker 8 (49:22):
Well?

Speaker 6 (49:23):
No, I think that directly connecting to them would be
key because they'll have help you with the community issues
that you may have, speaking engagements and things that nature saw.
Ask them to release their information. But this is my
appeal to your audience, and you know at this point,
my sincurities are my credentials. Please send some monetary help
to these brothers to the that way they don't have

(49:44):
to be out in the streets. We're not embarrassed to
ask for help, and we don't want to sell narcotics
and do things that's going to get us incarcerated. I
mean one hundred dollars two hundred three sent something. Please,
My podcets have been depleted. I am financially embarrassed. At
this point into our yep on blessings in order to
distribute them back to the community. But for the most part,

(50:05):
you know, you can follow the full interview that I
did concerning the Jerry Curl situation on Wild Mobules TV,
and I let those brothers close out on what they
feel is appropriate in terms of their situations.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
All right, let's go to on first. How can folks
treat you? We got an email address, phone number? How
can folks treat you?

Speaker 7 (50:25):
Go ahead, Yeah, I have.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
An email address. It's uh j E O R A
L D P I T T S twenty two at
gmail dot com. That's my email.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Do it again, but real slow. Do it again, but
real slow.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Yes, j E O R A L d P I
T T S twenty two at Gmail. That's Jerald Pits
with a J at Gmail. And I also have a
book called to Bang or Not to Bang, a book
of questions using Socratic method to try to enlighten people
on the field, narratives and how to use questions to

(51:00):
unlearned and change your thinking.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
All right, next, yes, uh, all right, I have a.

Speaker 7 (51:13):
Few emails, but I think that my aspirational email is
the one that I use as a form of manifestation.
It's called Granberry Housing Association, which is something that I
aspire to create. And it's all lowercase, one word e R.
I mean, excuse me, g R A N D B

(51:37):
e R R Y Housing Association all lower chase at
gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
All right, And I just want to thank you brothers
for being so candid and sharing parts of your life.
Many folks who have you been through what you guys
have been through, they hide, They don't want people to
know their background. And then the struggles because now they feeling,
you know, a way, so they don't want to share
that with us. But you guys have been very candid
with us, and I want to thank you. And I
also want to thank the leak because Malik, you've you've

(52:09):
just been unrelenting and helping our brothers and sisters who
have been incarcerated, helping them when they're inside and when
they get out, and helping while they're inside as well.
So I just want to thank you because I know
you probably don't get a lot of thanks for the
work that you do. Let me just share this with
you real quick because we run out of time. There
were times when when a young person got shot in
streets of la and the LAPD would call them Alik.

(52:32):
They didn't want to go tell their parents. That was
my Leik's job, you know, to go tell me that
the little child was laying in the street we shot up.
So that was beleaks one of the stuff that one
of the many things that he's done is a journalist.
So I just want to thank you, Malik for all
the work that you've done helping our.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
People, well the feelings.

Speaker 6 (52:50):
That's me insuing your cards to reciprocating it back to
your show, which I said is one of the hidden
universities of America outside of the prisons. But also bring
some attention to the fact that even Tinam Marie was
a crip, you know what I mean, that have benished Shoreline.
That's this conversation for another day. And let's bring some
attention to these black people in Virginia and in Houston
that are coming up missing and no one's talking about.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Oh yeah, well that's a that's a problem too, especially
the sisters are missing in Houston. And that's another thing
when we have more time, because let me just say
this family, brother Malik knows all of these entertainers, you know,
and I don't mentioned their names were in the hip
hop rap game. They all know Milik, and Milik all
knows them. And somehow they've made their money and you know,
just left the community behind and the community that they

(53:34):
grew up with and made their money on. So that's
that's a conversation for another day. But thank you Malik,
and thank you again for the work that you do
with our people.

Speaker 6 (53:42):
And thank you equally as well to your listening audience.
And please man, as God is our witness, send some help.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Gotcha? All right? Family, that's Milik, and thank you brothers
for sharing your thoughts with us this morning. Family, all right,
the top down, you know a lot of times, and
what we do on this program we provide a smokes
brought of black ideas so that you you know, there's
some people, some people, you know, they might not like
talking to folks who have been on the inside and

(54:10):
inside some people don't even like this. Talk to Christians
and all then I talk to Muslims.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
You know.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Somehow we've got we've got to open our minds. Family,
We've got to open our minds. These are our families.
If we don't talk to them, who will They're part
of our tribe. So that's how that's how we roll
on this particular program. As I mentioned, it's ten minutes
half the top there. Let's bringing down doctor Denise Turley,
Doctor Turley, Grand Rising, welcome back to the.

Speaker 11 (54:31):
Program, a grand Rising, Grand Rising. How are you doing
this morning?

Speaker 1 (54:36):
I'm still learning and I'm trying to do that every
each and every single day. Still trying to learn. And
I know I'm going to learn some stuff from you
this morning because you're educator and also you're you're also
into AI Artificial intelligence. Uh, and it seems like, you know,
AI is just overtaking our lives. Some of us don't
even know that AI. We're using AI. We just hear

(54:58):
about it and we try and well what is AI?
You know, we don't know what it is. So help
us out here, doctor Turlie, give us, you know, just
tell us about AI, just you know what it is
and how it's impact in our lives.

Speaker 11 (55:12):
Yeah, yeah, happy to do so. When we think about AI, AI,
AI has been around for decades. Most of the time
we don't even know it. We're not paying attention. Things
like theories that some people have in their house, you know,
you talk to it and ask questions. That's using a
form of AI. AI is just computer artificial intelligence. So

(55:34):
when you think about these self driving cars like Tesla,
they're using AI. Netflix when it's given you recommendations on
what to watch, that's all AI driven. So AI has
been around a long time. But what we're really excited
about right now is this new version of AI that's
called generative AI. And this is this new conversational AI

(55:57):
that's a little bit entertained in it's a little bit sexy.
It's very intriguing for many people. And ESAI that can
create it can create letters, emails, videos, images. That's the
new stuff that everyone decided about generative AI.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Yeah, well some of my images first, let's go through
go through the others as well. I learned after the
top of their images because I know they've done the
AI generated images of doctor Martait King and some folks
who entertainers who passed Whitney Houston. I recall this one
as well, Luther's one as well. And you look at
them and did you hear they speak this pattern? Is
there the look of this speech and it's sort of overwhelming.

(56:39):
Is go wow, a witness said this or doctor King
and they're making the one that they're using on Doctor King.
They make it sound like he's saying something that was ridiculous,
something that Doctor King would never say. But how do
how do we differentiate? How do we know what is
real and what's not AI generating? Especially when it comes
to these images, Man, this is.

Speaker 11 (56:57):
The stuff that kiss me up now, right, because it's
getting harder and harder. So a year ago, you know,
we had AI videos and it was cool and it
was fun and people would play around with them, but
we knew it was AI right because it would generate
AI and they didn't really get the voices right. The
facial movement was wrong. Sometimes people would have like five

(57:20):
or six fingers or their arm would disappear. So it
was kind of easy to know that that was fake
and people weren't worried about it. But with the new
versions of AI that have come out Sora just came
out last week, that's open AI platform that you're mentioning
right now, and the ability of this to generate videos

(57:42):
that are so real looking. They're getting the voice down,
the facial gestures, everything. Now when you generate videos from
open AI tool Sora, it does come with a watermark,
so it has on it Sora so that you know
that that is not real. The problem is that people

(58:04):
are then using video editing software to take that watermark away.
So tactics that you would use to try and validate
authenticity is now volved. And so that's a big challenge.
We have to figure out how can we really tell
if something fake? And it's getting hard and hard.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Yeah. Also, you know, for the movie industry, they're concerned
about this because now you can make a totally AI
generated movie without paying anybody. You could just make the
movie on your computer. Is this where we're heading?

Speaker 12 (58:38):
It is?

Speaker 11 (58:39):
It is, and the movie industry is just one industry
when we think about how is AI going to impact
industries and sales and money and earnings and all of that.
But some of the ones that are really they I
say easy to produce, right is think about children's movies, cartoons,
animated characters where you don't have to get every precision

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accurate on the face, on the gestures, on the voices.
Those are even easier to make. So anyone that's listening
right now, you're trying to think about a new career
or transition into a different career, that's something that's out there.
And then yeah, just using lifelike actors and coming up
with short movies or even long movies. It's entirely possible

(59:24):
now because they've come up with something that's called character,
so your characters can stay consistent. It's called character consistency.
Before you would create an image and it would be
maybe an image that resembled a black woman, but in
the next scene she'd be sort of different. Right, she's
kind of the same, but you'll notice that complexion is different.

(59:44):
It's not the same actors. Well, they've changed that now
to where you've got character consistency. So the technology is
moving so fair that yeah, we're going to see completely
AI generated movies that bring down the coast of production
and also has a huge impact to that the scriptwriters.

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I mean, think about everybody's job. Who's in that value
chain of putting together the movies.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
It's not just the actors, right, the grips, everybody, who
the stage hands, every everybody, Because if you look at
all those credits when the movie's over all those people
are getting the check. Everybody gets paid With AI, all
that's wiped out. But here's another one I want to
talk about because we've come up on our break, but
I want to ask you this one. The music industry

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before and Kevin knows all about this auto tune, and
they had a thing auto tune. You know, people who
can't sing or the off note there or some off tune,
and they use auto tune to refine the song, refine
the vocal and then put it together. Let's talk about
that when we come back from the shortbreak though, because
there's a group that's going out has a hip hop
song that glorifies hanging and he's actually was order generate,

(01:00:56):
So we want to talk about it when we get back.
Sixteen minutes off the top day, I found you want
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Reach out to us at eight hundred four to five
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Monday morning. Here nineteen minutes after the top out. I
guess the educator and AI advisor, doctor Denise Turley, we're

(01:01:19):
talking about AI artificial intelligence, and before were left to
talked about the music industry some things that we don't know.
They use the thing and Kevin knows just about called
auto tune for those singers who sometimes they can't make
that high note or get that low note that they want,
so they they throw through the computer autotun in it.
And now you've got people who they're using songs, complete songs.

(01:01:40):
There's a professor Griffolls about this group and these I
think these were really too actually white dudes who were
talking about hanging, and they were glorifying the fact they're
bound hangings, supporting hanging. And the question is the next
step is that they're going to use AI artificial intells
generated folks who were were making songs aimed at our people,

(01:02:01):
our young people, glorify stuff like like hanging, all the
negative things. So, doctor Turlie, is there a way that
we can identify what is fake and what is real?
When it comes to the music.

Speaker 11 (01:02:10):
Industry, it is getting harder and harder. It's something that
we are challenged with identifying that music is even harder
to identify than the videos, right because at least videos
you can look for the subtle signs. Sometimes the AI

(01:02:30):
will mess up, there'll be something that's off. In music,
it's easier to create a song, a rap song lyrics
and you won't hear that it's that it's sakes. So
the only way to do that is maybe trying to
then go and do a search and try and find
the artists and see if they exist. And even then,

(01:02:51):
so when you think about it's so easy for me
to set up a fake website with fake images of
people that don't really exist. I mean, AI has taken
us into this whole new world where we've never been before.
I can create faithless influences now right. They're all over
social media. They're not real people. They're just made to

(01:03:15):
look real and to really appeal to that audience. So
if I set up a fake avatar, I set up
a website that's got pictures of me doing all kinds
of different things, they're all completely fake. But then I
put out a rap song and I lift my website,
or you do a research on me and you find me, well,

(01:03:36):
most people are going to be convinced that I'm real, right,
Most people aren't going to dig deeper to see, well,
when was this website created, and what is this person's
day to birth? And what city are they found and
where do you know what I'm saying, it's.

Speaker 13 (01:03:48):
A lot of work.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Uh, hopefully we have a lot of Doctor TURLEYE Twenty
two out the topic, Oh I'm sorry, go ahead, Yeah,
we can hear it now like phone drop, go ahead.

Speaker 11 (01:04:01):
Oh sorry.

Speaker 8 (01:04:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:04:03):
So I would say that it's really hard for us
to tell now because it's not Not only can I
create a rap song or any kind of song in
about two minutes, I can also go and create a
whole set of images that look like I'm real, doing
different things in different places, and even videos now that

(01:04:25):
look like I'm real living everyday life. So when somebody
just goes and looks for me, if I set up
a website with a fake name and I put all
my pictures up and all of my videos of me
doing everyday things, how can we tell that they're fake?
It's so hard?

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Yeah, I hope I thought that. Twenty three minutes out
of Doctor Turtlie Charles is checking in for Baltimore, has
a question for you's online one grand rising Charles. You're
only doctor Denise Turley.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Yes, how you doing?

Speaker 8 (01:04:57):
Doctors?

Speaker 11 (01:04:59):
I am and great still learning life learning.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
That's a great thing. That's one of my goals for
every day to learn at least two new things every
single day. So that's a great goal. But talking about
this artificial intelligence, isn't that actually an artificial brain? And

(01:05:26):
don't they have, you know, stuff that you can put
on your body.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Charles, your sound just went sound? Can you get closer
to that to the phone?

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Yeah, I repeat your question again for doctor Turlie.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Okay, I'm asking about is there wearable technology now, like
stuff that you can put on your body that enhances
the artificial intelligence the artificial brain because I know they
have neural link, but is there other things other than

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neural link that have been developed for the artificial intelligence
to merge with our exoskeleton.

Speaker 11 (01:06:15):
So I think that I'm not up on the latest
and greatest here, but I know that there is there
are things that are being tested. I don't know about
the ability to replace our brain with a artificial brain,
but we certainly have technology that works with our brain,

(01:06:35):
right and we've had that for years, even when you
think of people who are getting prosthetics that can work
with signals from the brain. So that stuff is there.
There's a lot of work being done right now in
countries like China with humanoids and coming up with robots. Essentially.

(01:06:57):
I know that there's research being done about wearable technologies
that you can interact with. They're modern, they are modeling biometrics.
They can understand if somebody is experiencing triggers of a
heart attack and give you a warning, or maybe there's
an impending stroke, or perhaps your blood sugars down because

(01:07:19):
it can give you a prick every hour and test
your blood. So I know that that type of wearable
technology is being developed. I'm not sure that many of
it is available right now though for consumers.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Yeah, I think what he was referring to is what
they call transhumanism's I guess, the merging of a man
and machine, and that's the latest thing they're working with AI.
But I want to talk to you about people using
AI speaking about transhumanism as their friends and companions that
they don't really need to have another person in their
life or a friend. They can just generate a person

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or a friend, whether it be a girlfriend or wife
or just just a close friend. Can you speak to
some of that for us, doctor.

Speaker 11 (01:08:00):
Turley, Yeah, there's there's researches on that. There's a lot
more people who are turned into AI for friendship and
companionship and even for romantic relationships, and so there are
different tools that are being created that cats specifically for that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:08:22):
So Rock in fact has a couple of different avatars,
so they're visual on the screen, right, and so they
have movement and they talk to you, and that you
can change their outfits and interact with them. They have
now spicy mode so that some of these conversations can

(01:08:43):
get into romanticism and even erotica, and that appeals to
a certain set of people. And so the AI in
these situations, they're programmed to be really pleasing and really flirtatious,
and they are making you feel great, right, They might

(01:09:03):
be motivating. They're your best friend, and so that's really appealing,
and it can be something that you just end up
wanting to talk to every day, right because now it's
the best friend, it's somebody that you go to. They
always understand, they always want to make you feel good.
The one with GROK, I tested that for a few weeks.

(01:09:24):
When I signed on, it calls me baby, hey babe,
Hey baby, how was your day? I hope you're not stressed?
How can I help you? They have different outfits like lingerie, bikinis,
all kinds of things, so it is very, very attractive
for people to start turning to these as their companions.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Twenty a half. The tough there, I explain how they
have They know how to respond to what you're going
to ask them, though there's got to be a million
questions you can ask a person. Yet, yes, these AI
general A need people. If you will, they respond and
they respond pretty quickly as well. Explain how that how
does that concept work?

Speaker 11 (01:10:08):
Yeah, so AI generative AI. Right, it's been trained on
billions and billions and billions of data sets, and so
it's going to be it's going to be more knowledgeable
than any person you've ever met, right, because there's almost
no question that you can ask it that it's not
going to attempt a response on. And so because of that,

(01:10:28):
it's able to predict what it thinks the next word
might be, or the next answer to a question. It's
got way more data than we could ever have. So
it's it's learning and it's training every single day. It's
getting better and better now because also it's starting to
understand context in your conversations. So it understands. It has memory,

(01:10:52):
so it knows if you asked it something yesterday, if
yesterday you came home from work and you were stressed out.
Don't be suppose if when you love on tomorrow, it
asks you how was your day and how are you
feeling better than yesterday? So it's got all of this
contextual awareness. It's been trained on so much data. It
understands human conversation and such that it can predict how

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to answer any question that you ask it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
So where does all this information go though, because obviously
is it in the cloud somewhere? Because you said they
store the information. If you had an information previous day
and then the next day, is actually are you feeling
better today?

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
So obviously the information is being stored somewhere. So where
is it?

Speaker 11 (01:11:38):
Yeah, the information is absolutely being stored, and it's going
to be stored all over. I don't know if you
guys have heard about different data centers that are being
created to how we're processing the data. We've got a
lot of cloud storage, so you know Aws, Microsoft, all
of these large organization they have data that's hosted online.

(01:12:03):
So when you think about service in the cloud, there's
still service that are somewhere that have the data in
a physical location and that's where you're seeing like in
the DC area. Right, there's a lot of Ashburn Northern Virginia.
There are these massive data setters that are being created
to how store and process data, so it's absolutely being stored.

(01:12:27):
That's one of the things too to think about as
you're using this technology. It is it's pretty cool, right,
I get that, But also from a privacy perspective, you
have to be aware of what are you given up?
Right if you're not looking at the settings on the
tools that you're using, is your personal data? Are your

(01:12:47):
personal conversations so they go into the cloud? And are
they training on your data? A lot of the times
that answer is yes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Twenty nine away from the top of era, Doctor Dena Turlie.
Doctor Turlie is an advisor also educator about AI artificial intelligence. Earlier,
she mentioned GROC. Those who don't know that was Elon
Musker's creation GROC, and he wants that to dominate the field.
That's why people think that he's got his eyes on
Tesla and Starling. No, this is what his real money's
going after this, So why I got engaged with the

(01:13:16):
government to get all the all the data because artificial
intelligence can't survive with and crime. If I'm wrong without data,
and he went and got all all the data on
everybody in the country when he was supposed to working
as the leader of DOJI in the White House. So
this is what and this is all that he wanted
to get all that information. Now is going to put
it into is groc and he's talking about building robots.

(01:13:40):
Should we be concerned, doctor Turlie, because you know somebody's
got all and crect me if I'm wrong? Can AI
work without our us involved giving up all our information?
Because people go on these social media sites and they
tell everybody what they're wearing, where they're going, where they're being,
what they're smoking, who they're playing golf with. You know,
how's their vacation? Are we are we helping? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:14:03):
Yeah, so so.

Speaker 11 (01:14:05):
AI, I guess two years ago if anybody would have
started playing two years ago, right, AI was it was
pretty fascinating. It was good, but it wasn't great right
because it was only trained on a certain amount of
data up to a certain amount of time. Right, I
think it was maybe new information up to let's just
say twenty eighteen. And so AI can be really good
right now based on the information that has it has learned.

(01:14:27):
But it's not going to get any smarter because it
needs to understand all of those things you just mentioned.
But what are humans doing now? If it doesn't know
that there's a new trend, that humans are behaving in
a different way, that humans are doing something different, it
isn't going to have those good answers when you go
and have a conversation when you ask it about something
that's trending. If it doesn't have new information, it's not

(01:14:51):
going to be able to answer you. So right now,
many of these tools are also connected to the Internet,
so they've got real time information. They go and they
look at sources like Reddit, they go through forums, and
they get information about conversations you just mentioned grap right, well,
we know where it's getting conversations and information, pictures, videos,

(01:15:14):
everything that you post about your daily life is subject
to helping these models get trained.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Twenty six away from the top. Should we be concerned
about our children, young people who may not be able to,
you know, to understand this information. They may just look
at it and think it's real. Then they think that
they're having fun. We reach the point now, doctor Charlie,
where AI should be regulated that certain you know, youngsters
can't see certain things. I'm thinking about the pornography industry

(01:15:43):
and how that you know, it's just on limited Before
people growing up, young young guys growing up, you know,
without a copy of Playboard, they thought that was pornography.
Now you've got all these pornographic sites and you can
get them. Some of them may not be real. They
don't have to have real actors. Now they can be
generated and you don't have to have a there's no
age limit. So is that a concern that we should have.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
One?

Speaker 11 (01:16:06):
Yeah, I think that when you think about minors, you
think about people who may may have diminishmental capacity. We
definitely need to think about how are we protecting them,
How are we protecting them? So listen, this stuff feels
like fun, right if you are a teenager, and even
for adults, and you can go and create a song

(01:16:28):
or a movie or video or images. We get pulled
in because it's fun and it's entertainment, right, And that's
where our kids are vulnerable. They're going to see this
stuff as entertaining and start interacting with it without really
knowing some of the dangers. How to be aware of
how to protect ourselves and then as parents, if we

(01:16:49):
don't even know what apps our kids have what they're
interacting with. It puts us in a real challenge in place.
So I know that some companies are now starting about
implementing parental controls. So open Ai just implemented recently a
options on the app where as a parent, you can

(01:17:12):
go in and link your account to one of your
children's accounts, and then you can have control over content.
I don't think that's widely known yet, it's pretty new.
Open Ai has said that they want adults to be adults,
so if you're an adult, you get to choose the
interaction that you have using AI, meaning if you want

(01:17:35):
to have erotic content you can. And along with those lines,
they're also coming out with new features where they say
they are going to do age verifications, so that how
they do that, I'm not sure yet. Maybe you have
to show a picture of government ID. That's what we're getting,
and then they'll confirm that you're over eighteen and then

(01:17:58):
you'll be allowed to view tentsitive content.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
All right. Hold, I thought that doctor Turley, we got
to step aside and get caught up in the ladies
traveling news and whether or not different cities when we
come back. The tweet question for you tweeter. It says
that these large data centers are causing havoc in the
forms of high utility bills in some black communities and
pollution problems because all of the waste associated with the
energy generation. I'll let you address that when we get back,

(01:18:22):
And Sondra and Baltimore wants to speak to you as well. Family.
You two can join our conversation with doctor Denise Turley.
She's an AI advisor and educator. Reach out to us
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Sixteen minutes away from the top of the eye of
that guest. He's an educator at also advisor on artificial

(01:18:44):
intelligence AI and image. Doctor Denise Turley will go back
to you in the moment. Let me just remind you.
Coming up later this morn we're gonna speak with Black
politics expert doctor James Taylor. Later this week we speak
with Morgan State professor doctor Ray Wimbush. Also, the Million
Women's March is going to take places weekend. The anniversary,
I should say since the Phile is going to be
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(01:19:06):
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with Grio Baba La Moomba out of Emoji House in Washington, DC.
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure your radio
is locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or if
you're in the DMV or on fourteen fifteen w L. Again,
I guess there is doctor Turley, So doctor Tylly, I'll
just read reread that tweet again because this is from
one of our listeners in Louisiana. He says the large

(01:19:27):
data centers are causing havoc in the forms of high
utility bills in some black communities and pollution problems because
of all the waste associated with the energy generation. Your
thoughts are that, yeah, I.

Speaker 11 (01:19:41):
Think that I'm not aware of the higher energy costs,
but I could see how that would happen. There's a
lot of concern around AI because, as you called out before,
it needs massive amounts of data to run right, and
so that requires some time of source electricity. These data

(01:20:04):
centers are consuming large amounts of electricity. One is to
process the data the other thing is to keep it cool,
so it has to it has to stay at a
certain temperature so that doesn't overheat. So it needs to
have air conditioning in those centers. So all of this
amounts to huge amounts of electricity being used. I know

(01:20:24):
that some of the larger organizations are investigating ways to
do their processing using renewable energy sources, using water cooling
systems instead of the traditional systems of cooling using solar energy.
Some are making good progress. We're not there yet, So
this is this is another area of concern and a

(01:20:47):
huge challenge for everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Gotcha? Fourteen Away from the topics, I mentioned Sondra's callingists
from Baltimore. She's online one grand rising sodet On with doctor.

Speaker 12 (01:20:56):
Churlie grand Rassant car to you and your guests. You
know what called I knew Leon Musk was was coming up,
was on coming to us with false pretensions and no goods.
I knew it. Just like Donald Trump. They they only
want two things when they with their robots that they

(01:21:17):
trying to uh get to control the universe. They want
our melan. They want our soul, so they can't forget it.
They can build anything they want to build. It ain't
gonna happen because if they can get those two things,

(01:21:38):
they think they are gods. So they can keep on
trying and they can keep on building, do anything they
want to do. Those two factors they're never going to get.
And I'll hang up and have blessed they about it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Thank you, Sandra. Let me ask doctor try how close
are they to getting she talked about? So, how close
to these robots that Elon Muskus make in the transhumanism
if you will? How close are they having feelings? Can
they hate? Can they love? Can they hurt? How close
are they manufacturing? Close to manufacturing that? Sister Sandra says
that that's not going to happen. What do you say,

(01:22:12):
doctor Turley, Yeah, I.

Speaker 11 (01:22:14):
Don't think it's going to happen. I think that true
feelings and emotions is something that makes us humans. But
what they will get really good at, and what they
are already getting good at, is faking it, right they
because of all the data that they're trained on. They
can fake empathy, they can fake understanding if you had

(01:22:38):
a bad day and offer some words of encouragement or
say to you, hey, do you want to talk about it?

Speaker 8 (01:22:45):
Or what have you.

Speaker 11 (01:22:46):
They don't truly have emotion or feelings, but they're really
good at faking it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Well, haven't said that though obviously they're going to take
We know it's the impacts you're going to have unemployment,
but also it's a good psychistrious and psychotists should they
be concerned because if you can speak to somebody with
AI about your problems, you don't need to speak to
a human being.

Speaker 11 (01:23:07):
Yeah, that's a great point. I think there are two.
There are two points around that. One is, of course
the impact to psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors as far as their
jobs right, well, we will potentially need fewer of them.
And then the second thing is over reliance on AI
as a source for support. So some people have already

(01:23:33):
started citing negative impacts when you're using AI too much.
Part of that we mentioned is, you know, people are
forming close relationships. They think that these these AI avatars
are real and that they understand them and that they're
their best friends. And so there's more isolation that can

(01:23:54):
be caused as you turn more to this conversation with
your AI best friend and you stop interacting with others.
There's definitely over reliance there's negative consequences that can happen
from a psychological perspective that people are starting to talk
about and write about, and it is concerning to some.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Ten away from the topic, should we as a black
community be concerned though, they're trying to rewrite our history
and you know, trying to say that slavery was cool
and all of that. They can they can generate people
to say that, and books and movies and scripts and
the whole nine yards to say that. And then you're
going to have a whole generation of young people who
do not know if their history. You're going to believe, hey,

(01:24:35):
slavey was cool, or whatever they got answers has got hungry,
they deserved it, or we didn't create the pyramids, or
all everything that we did will be negated. How do
we how do we as a black community to deal
with all of that stuff?

Speaker 8 (01:24:50):
Yeah, so that's a great question.

Speaker 11 (01:24:51):
I think that we are in this era of misinformation,
this era where you can create any type of story
or version of the truth that you want to using
AI at massive scales. Right before you could do it,
but it was in small scales. I think what we

(01:25:11):
have to do is start being really active, right we're
not passive in this journey. AI kind of levels the
playing field for a lot of people. So I think
that we need more people from our community. One, get
in and learn and understand what AI is, What is
this technology, what's it capable of? How can it impact

(01:25:32):
you and impact your family even if you're not thinking
about the impact more universally. And then two, we need
more people for our community who are building these systems,
who are developing these systems, so that we're making sure
that the stories aren't going anywhere. We don't have to
just sit alongside as though we're bystanders. We need to

(01:25:52):
get active and build.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Our own and building our own Do we need our
own Facebook, Instagram and other social media platforms? And that's
one question. Or two, if we build it, will they come?

Speaker 11 (01:26:04):
Well, that's always the question, right, I mean I think
that Listen, if we care deeply enough about our history,
about our children, about our communities, about our ability to
be able to generate income, food on the table, then
we have to make decisions. Right do we want to

(01:26:24):
go and support other black businesses?

Speaker 8 (01:26:26):
Number one?

Speaker 11 (01:26:26):
Now we doing that already. If something comes up and
somebody creates another version of an AI tool that is
black owned, that is keeping and safegunding black histories, black stories.
Will we go and use it and patronize that system
and not a different tool. Those are conscious decisions that
individuals have to make. But people are building and will building.

Speaker 13 (01:26:48):
It will be available.

Speaker 11 (01:26:50):
We have to decide how we show up and support it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
And having said that, our brothers and sisters on the continent,
are they keeping pace with these changes? At some point
they entered the digital revolution. They were not in the
analogue space, if you will, So all of a sudden
they leave rout to the digital revolution. They were doing
banking on phones before we were. How are they still

(01:27:14):
keeping pace with all these changes?

Speaker 11 (01:27:18):
Yeah? I think they are. I think they're making lots
of headweight. So there are several different groups that are
doing tremendous work. And so yes, they are working on
building their own right, They're working on building their own
because even different cultures, they've got different cultural norms and

(01:27:39):
habits that they want to make sure that they're protecting.
They've got different languages, different habits that they want to
make sure that they are protecting and that that is safe.
So they are working on building their own AI systems.
They're working on teaching their own. There are challenges, as
you know, but they definitely understand that this technology has power.

(01:28:04):
And if they don't build their own, others are building
it and just giving it them to consume. So there's
a number of different growth groups that are building.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Having said, that's seven away through tough of our family,
just join us. Our guest is an advisor and educator
about AI artificial intelligence. The name is doctor Denise Turley,
Doctor Turley. For our young people coming up, what should
they should they be looking at AI as far as
the job market is concerned, something that they need to
get involved or is something that they can control as well?

(01:28:32):
Or are they sitting back or she sayd let the
other folks do it and we'll we'll just be having
participants in it. Should we be building our own platforms?
And for our young people going to school, should this
is something they should be looking at?

Speaker 13 (01:28:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:28:46):
Please don't do the latter, right, Please don't just sit
back and be participants in what somebody else is building.
As a community, Black people are brilliant, right, We've history
shown all of the inventions we can do. Now is
the time to make sure that you are learning not
just our young people, all generations. Right now, We've got

(01:29:07):
people who are in their fifties and sixties who go
out and start businesses. There's no reason that that can't
be us. When I came on the show where we
were listening earlier to some of our brothers and sisters,
you know who are incarcerated right now, Let's not forget
them too right, start learning. Somebody reached out to me
as a result of a call the last time I
was on this show from the North Carolina Department of

(01:29:29):
June of Juvenile Justice saying how can we help those
that are incarcerated? And I offered and volunteered. You let
me know how you want me to come in and
train and show up, and we'll figure out how we
show up.

Speaker 8 (01:29:41):
So learn.

Speaker 11 (01:29:44):
We don't just use AI because it's fun and it's entertainment.
It is, but be the ones that's creating the entertainment.
Be the one that's creating your own movies, your own stories,
your own songs, right, be the ones who are there's
so many jobs that are going I only start being
in demand with AI. And if you start learning it now,

(01:30:05):
then you'll be able to make sure you are showing
up for those jobs.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
All right. For a way from the top, we gotta
check another look at the traffic and weather in our
different sitis. Before we do that, I got a tweet
question for you. I'll let you think about this and
I'll let you respond on the other side. Tweeter says,
what about these movies that show AI taking over like
the twenty twenty four movie Afraid and I robe ut
with Will Smith, the Thinking Game and others. I'll let
you respond to that when we get back. As I

(01:30:29):
mentioned that, we gotta check the traffic and weather in
our different cities. Family, you want to join this conversation
with our guest, doctor Denise Turley. We're talking about AI,
artificial intelligence. Reach out to us at eight hundred four
five zero seventy eight seventy system. We'll take your phone
calls after the traffic and weather update. That's next and
Ryan Rising, family, thanks for starting your week with us.
A minute after the top, there are momentarily with speaking
with a black politics expert, doctor James Taylor, but let's

(01:30:52):
wrap over with doctor Denise Turley. Doctor Turley, the question,
this is one of our listens out in California, says,
what about these movies that are show AI taken over,
like the twenty twenty four movie Afraid and I Robot
with Will Smith and the Thinking Game, et cetera.

Speaker 11 (01:31:08):
Yeah, I think is the question, do I think that
that's going to happen?

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Yeah, I guess that's the essence of the question.

Speaker 11 (01:31:16):
Yeah, I think it's possible. It's not possible right now,
or I wouldn't say we're in immediate danger of that.
The AI today isn't smart enough, it doesn't have sentiment,
it has no real reason to try and do that,
and there are gudrails built in. But I think where

(01:31:36):
the problem comes in and where our risk comes in,
is that we have bad actors in every system. Right,
So it doesn't matter if let's just say companies like
open ai put watermarks on videos because they want to
they want to make sure that they're doing the right thing,
and other people know that this is AI generated. But
then you have people who've come and then removed watermark, right,

(01:32:01):
and we call those bad actors in the system. These
are people with bad intentions. And similarly, right now, a
lot of the AI tools, the big tools that have
been built, they've got god rails built in, so they
know to do no harm to humans, but also not
smart enough to try and figure out how to sort
of take over and reinvent. But that's not to this

(01:32:23):
to say that somebody from another country, or even somebody
from this country, or somebody else with bad intentions isn't
going to try and develop something else that might do
that at some point in the future. I don't have
I don't have a crystal ball, so I cannot say
for sure. But at this point, based on what we've
seen happen with technology and advancement in the last two years,

(01:32:45):
is it something we should be aware of and building
tools to make sure it doesn't happen. I think that's
a strong yes for me.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
All right. Before we let you go, though, doctor Teller,
what's the one thing you want our listeners to take
away from you this morning about these headlines? Because it
seems like every day there's something about AI, artificial intelligence.

Speaker 11 (01:33:05):
Every day there's something new. The biggest thing I want
you to take aware of is education is power, right,
So get awareness, get education, start start learning more about AI,
not just for entertainment, but how it can actually help
you be better, do better. We have I have free
courses on my website. If it over give me the list. Sure,

(01:33:32):
so that is just d et impact Academy dot com.
There are free courses. There's free courses everywhere. Get in
touch with me if you want information on where you
can get free courses, how you can learn, where to
start learning. I know it's overwhelming. My website is doctor

(01:33:54):
Denise Turley dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
And spell it out for our folks.

Speaker 11 (01:33:59):
Yes, thank thank you. It's d R D E N
I S E T for Thomas. You awful lobb it
al e y doctor Denise Turley dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
All right, thank you, doctor Turlie. Thank you for sharing
your thoughts with us this morning.

Speaker 11 (01:34:23):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
All right, family for after the top y. Let's turn
our attention now to our exit guest, the Black Politics expert,
doctor James Taylor, Doctor Taylor Grand Rising, Welcome back to
the program. Good morning, call doctor Taylor. We just start
about AI artificial intelligence. As a professor, are you concerned
about the intrusion I call it intrusions when people think
that it's it's an asset about AI audificial intelligence? How

(01:34:48):
do you what do you tell your students and can
you decipher if you give them a project to do
when they come back and it's AI generator. Can you
tell the difference?

Speaker 8 (01:34:57):
I think I can. I think I've been grating long
enough of undergraduate papers almost thirty years, so I know
a typical undergraduate student paper and a graduate level paper,
and you have to know the student, and all of
that combined helps you understand the age is still going

(01:35:18):
to be a's, the b's is still going to be
the c's is still going to be c's. AI is
not going to make a C student a A student
because I know that's a C student based on other work.
It's not just you know. I think the thing that
is going to go away is old school traditional research papers,
where you know, someone could just go to the library
and research the topic protests and write a paper on protests. Well,

(01:35:46):
now you have to find more creative ways of Like
I have my students doing one assignment in San Francisco.
They have to walk up and down Fillmore Street and
look at these bricks that are on the sidewalk that
memorials all of the different jazz locations on film More
and so I'm having students walk over there find the

(01:36:08):
bricks that are in the ground that they're they're terrible memorials.
But but that's what they did. They made these little,
insignificant bricks that people walk over every day and don't see.
But one of the most famous clubs was Jim Jimbo's
Bop City in San Francisco. So my students have to,
you know, look for that brick, find that brick, do

(01:36:30):
research on Jim, you know, on Bop City, and tell
me something about it. So, in other words, professors have
to get smarter and be more creative in their assignments.
You can't use anything that AI can do. So AI
is not going to walk down fill More, look for

(01:36:50):
some bricks and then tell the story of the bricks
or the place. That's something that requires more effort than
you know, relying on simply chat GPT tell me about
the bricks on film more, You're still gonna have to
go over there. So and I asked, I asked Chad GPT,
what would you do to prevent students from cheating with

(01:37:12):
cha GPT? And chat GPT tells you how to avoid
students using chat GPT or how to detect it, and
it tells you how to do different assignments that make
it less possible for students to to UH to you know,
use generative AI. And part of the challenge is I'm

(01:37:37):
on the joint I'm on the university curriculum committee that
oversees all of the curriculum, and we're struggling with UH
the provosts for a formal statement about discouraging the use
of AI altogether. Like there's a three positions. One is

(01:37:58):
you know you basically like one assignment where I'm asking
my students solve a Black problem with AI. So that's
one of my assignments, solve a Black problem with AI,
because if AI is all of that call, it's got
to change black life. If AI doesn't transform our lives,

(01:38:20):
you know, if it doesn't solve serious problems, it's diabolical.
Because I think AI should end racism, you know, to me,
AI can't and racism or the like, than what is it?
And we know, just like the doctor said previously, there
are people with bad intentions and we know already with

(01:38:44):
AI that generitive AI has been used, for example, with
facial recognition to arbitrarily stop black people. I think a
black man got stopped at a sports event a few
months ago and it turned out not to be him,
but he was identified by AI or by facial facial

(01:39:06):
recognition technology, and it was completely a false alarm. So,
you know, racism with technology just makes it more efficient.
But for us to think that racism is going to
go away because of technology, well we're clear that. You know,

(01:39:29):
advanced technology does not make white people behave better as
human beings. Nuclear technology with the AI of the nineteen fifties,
I mean it's different, but nuclear technology, nuclear threat, nuclear war,
nuclear proliferation was like we were afraid of nuclear technology,

(01:39:49):
like we're afraid of AI today. We're afraid of what
it can do if it's not it contained, If you
gets in the wrong hands, it could destroy all of us.
So call you when I grew up getting up under desks,
you know, in case there was a nuclear fallout. Well,
now there's great fear over what the dangerous potentials of

(01:40:12):
generative AI are. Some people think it has no capability
beyond human intelligence. Other people, you know, think that and
know that it constantly reproduces itself.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
But I think you know ask you this question, doctor Taylor,
and let me ask you this question.

Speaker 8 (01:40:30):
You use the technology like everybody else, and and part
of the challenge of the university call is on one hand,
we don't want students using AI because we feel like
it's cheating and it undermines critical thinking where you can
think for yourself and you know, and deduct and make conclusions.

(01:40:53):
You know, that's one of the the It stops you
from thinking. You just tell me this question though, just
ask or the other platforms answers to questions, and that
is part of the dilemma, is students not thinking for

(01:41:16):
themselves and depending on technology. But on the other hand,
car the market, the job marketplace demands that they know AI.
So we don't know what we're going to do because
the university is saying, don't use it, it's cheating the
mine's critical thinking. But then the marketplace is firing eleven

(01:41:41):
thousand salesforce. This guy Bentoff, we could talk about him
later because he's the one that told Trump to bring
these National Guard to San Francisco, the head of salesforce.
But he, I think, laid off twenty thousand workers about
two months ago. I saw another company eleven thousand workers

(01:42:01):
and they attribute it to what generative AI can do.
So again, the real basic problem for the academy is
AI technology is here here to stay. We are afraid
of it because we can't control it, and at the
same time the marketplace demands it. So if you're graduating

(01:42:24):
from college, we're telling you no, no, no, don't use AI,
and then you get on the marketplace and they want
to know what do you know about AI? So we
don't know. It's a real dilemma right now. And like
any technology, like nuclear technology, we're always afraid of it
first before we harness it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
All right, Doctor Taylor thirteen half the top down. My
question to you, though, is kenny AI, because now that
can it change? Are you concerned that it can change
our history? We talked about generative AI. There was some
talk about Dr Martins the King. They created the doctor
Marliy King character and he was saying, all things counted
to what doctor King said, and now they're restricting our history.

(01:43:09):
Is this a concern of yours that our history may
be distorted through artificial intelligence AI?

Speaker 8 (01:43:15):
I just think it's a new tool for the devil,
and the devil has been doing erasing our history, whether
with a rubber number two pencil or a black ink
pen or you know, through banishing books and banishing black
names all over the place. I think Hannah Harnt, who

(01:43:41):
was a Jewish intellectual in World War Two. She talked
about nuclear technology and the directly represented and she basically
linked religious extremism to the nuclear technology. And she said, basically,
we've always it's had extremists and net cases people with

(01:44:05):
you know, religious fantasy about the end of the world
and Armorgeddon and the second Coming of Christ and one
that you know, expedited with nuclear war. And she said,
in the past we had that you know, millennial thinking.
We know, people thinking about the millennium and the apocalypse,
she said, but now we have a science technology to

(01:44:27):
actually end the world, you know. So we've always had
you know, religious fanaticism, but now the science is there
to end the world with the nuclear technology. So I'm
using that as an analogy to say, we've always had racism,
and now they have the technology to take it to
another level. The good thing is AI is what Martinus

(01:44:50):
the King would say, like he said about time is neutral.
It could be used positively or negatively. Unfortunately, there are
plenty of brilliant black people out there who already have
a good handle or generative AI and are in the
science laboratories here in San Francisco and in Silicon Valley.

(01:45:12):
There are enough black folk out there who understand AI
technology and will convey I think, to black people what
its potential advantages are and threats we we as black people,
should be able to use the technology to our advantage.
It can't just be left to them. If it's here,
we got to use it. We can't just sit back

(01:45:33):
passively and say, let them continue to shape our image
and distort our truths. And like you saw when AI
company shut down the Martin Luther King depictions, and that's
what we got to do. You know, we got to
keep fighting when things like that come up and push back.

(01:45:55):
We have that capacity as a people. So I'm not
afraid of AI. I'm afraid of the same old racism
that white people have had for five hundred years.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
And right and hold out there, right there. We got
to step away for a moment. We come back. But
let's get into some real politics. Heare at the doctor, Taylor.
I want to forget your idea. What's going on with it?
This Supreme Court hearing that took place last week, some
people say it's the most significant hearing for black folks
since Brown versus Border of Education in the fifties. I
want to get your thoughts about that. Family. YouTube can

(01:46:27):
join our discussion with doctor James Taylor. He's a black
politics expert. Reach out to us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising Family twenty minutes
after top are with our guest, doctor James Taylor, doctor
Taylor's black politics expert, Doctor Taylor, I just got to
share this read before we talk about the Supreme Court hearing.

(01:46:47):
Though Donald Trump is just you know, posted a meme
about him the prospect of abolishing term limits and say
that he may stay in office forever. He uses forever
for EVA. Do you think people's can doe or is
he just playing games? Or before he talked about the
Supreme Court hearing, your thoughts. This happened this morning time.

Speaker 8 (01:47:07):
I think this is stupid. Stephen Miller and and and
the racist white boy from the Duke Great case. That's
who he is. And he's evengeful, resentful little man and
living out his racist fantasies and thinking it plays out.
Carl the Devil, The Devil got his own book and

(01:47:28):
the Devil Story don't get to end the way he
wanted to end. In other words, white folk got their
own intentions about Black folk. But whenever they try to
use their evil on us, it always it always comes
back on them. And uh, like I said, what is
what is threatening about you know AI and and and

(01:47:52):
and the politics of now is they They can distort
who we are, both in terms of technology but also
in terms of you know, the way Trump can use
social media. I don't follow true social I don't follow
Twitter or x. I can't take those racists. And it's

(01:48:12):
bad for my blood pressure to read racism all day,
and I think it's unhealthy for a lot of us
to consume the daily racism online. Trump is trolling people,
trying to upset people, but I think it's also the
devil Steven Miller behind him and other people around him.
This is a gathering a cadre of white supremacists. White

(01:48:36):
racists who used to always be on the margins of
American politics have been now allowed to go to the
center of American politics. And the truth is I gave
a talk to a group of black students the other day.
The fifty to seventy year period between Martin Luther King,
and Barack Obama is the lie. The lie was that

(01:48:58):
white people had changed after JFK, after LBJ, after MLK,
that they had changed, and black people, most, you know,
the more moderate of us, just sort of went to sleep.
For the past sixty years. We'd see incidents of racism
here and there, and we figure, well, most white folks

(01:49:19):
are good, and it's all gonna go away. Eventually, all
the racism gonna go away, and it's is gonna be
good white folk and good Black folk, and we're all
gonna live here with other good people from other groups
happily ever after on this earth. Well, that's that's the
opposite of true. And unfortunately, we're experiencing a fierce white backlash.

(01:49:40):
And the and the case and the white backlash has
been led by John Roberts, the Chief Justice of the
Supreme Court. This white man is an extremist, like like
Stephen Miller is. Don't let John Roberts unassuming prefersorial white
faith ful you. This man came in with a radical

(01:50:02):
agenda that Farakh could not have carried out. This man
came in and immediately oversaw the passage of citizens united.
The number one thing that Bernie Sanders is obsessed with
because of the money corruption that Citizens United allowed, And

(01:50:24):
that's just his first case. It overturned a hundred years
of precedent. So that's a radical. That's not a conservative.
John Roberts is a radical. And I call his court
the extreme Court, not a Supreme Court. It's a white
extreme court because Clarence Thomas is white on the inside,

(01:50:48):
and with his insane wife, the two of them together
are a devil. Together, they represent a devil. She got
caught by buses for January sixth, no consequences. The reason
why America's system should come crashing down is it's wicked.

(01:51:09):
It's anti black. So if gentlemen and AI can tear
this system down, let it tear it down and build
a new one. Because as long as we have this system,
we're gonna stay on the bottom because they play games
with us every See, Carl, you and I might be
strong black men like Malcolm, but we can't outlive the devil.

(01:51:30):
So every thirty years, all they gotta do is just
keep on doing the same dumb stuff. After thirty years
of a fight, Let's say Malcolm's ministry with thirty years
hypothetically after thirty years you outlift the system, can outlive Malcolm.
The System's gonna outlive James Taylor and Call Nelson. So
no matter how strong we are as black men right now,

(01:51:53):
all they gotta do is wait us out and wait
for a new generation and they can start their racism
all over again, because we may not have conveyed to
the young the need to keep up the fight. So,
because I'm asking myself, I know, I'm a conscious black
man and I'm alive during this time where they trying

(01:52:13):
to put us in the back of the bus. How
is that possible with men like me and tanahassee coachs
and let's say Mark lemont Hill, and let's say you
know plenty of the women intellectuals that are out there,
how can this happen on our watch? We're conscious? Well,
the truth is they have a system and they know

(01:52:37):
how to outlast us. So all they got to do
is outlast Martin Luther King, outlast Ella Baker, outlast Andy Luhima,
and then they put us constantly back at position A.
No matter how far we've gotten, you know, you know,
between A and Z, they will outlast us and then
put us right back to A and we keep starting

(01:52:58):
all over again. So, yes, Trump is tolling the public,
but it's just like we don't last forever, they don't
last forever. Trump is eighty years old. That man got
a good five years left on this earth. So the
question is what kind of evil can he do in

(01:53:20):
that time. And the thing that discussed me most of
all of this is the good Whites, Like you know,
they say good cops, bad cops. The good whites never
seem to win even after they win. They won World
War One, I mean, I'm sorry they wore. They won
the Civil War. Somehow the race has survived, like the
good whites never punished the Confederacy. And because the good

(01:53:43):
whites never punished the Confederacy, we got to deal with
this racism for the next three hundred years. In Nazi Germany,
it's illegal.

Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
To be a Nazi.

Speaker 8 (01:53:53):
In other countries, you can't go honoring treason. But in America,
because white people are sick and have always been sick,
and those are Martin Luther King's words, not mine. Martin
Luther King said they are sick. Tony Morrison said they
are bereft. Because of this, you know, we're going to

(01:54:19):
constantly be chasing our own tail because they will constantly
play games with us and keep us distracted. That's what
Tony Morrison said. They keep us distracted with racism, so
we can't be effectively building and developing affirmatively on our
own focusing on us. They come tapping us on the shoulder,

(01:54:40):
harassing us, so that we got to give them our
attention instead of focusing on our own development.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
Yeah, and let me jump here twenty eight after the
top down the Supreme Court hearing that is probably gonna
dismantle of voting rights, this last section two, the voting
rights measure. I'm not seeing a lot of concern, doctor Taylor,
not just us, but even the Democratic Party, which is
this is going to impact famous.

Speaker 8 (01:55:05):
With But I bet you if it was taking away
some gay rights, they would see. This is the sickness
of the Democratic Party. They made me sick. If this
was LBG, t Q or TRANS. These devils, all of
them would be on the rooftop fighting for white men
in dresses. That's what they would do when it comes
to black men. Not a not one of them devils

(01:55:27):
has a couldn't even say the word black. You listen
to AOC that that little, and she married to a
white man from the Bronx, running around using our rhetoric
whenever she want to sound tough. But AOC can't say
the word black. Apparently the only one that could say
the word black is Corey Bush, and they've got rid

(01:55:47):
of her, and maybe Ayanna Presley, but uh and and
and sister, the one that stupid Stephen A. Smith criticized
Jasmine Crockett. The only one that will use the word black, call.

Speaker 4 (01:56:02):
Why is that?

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Doc ka?

Speaker 8 (01:56:03):
Kim Jeffries Haw Kim Jeffries does not say the word black.
My point is, how did they get rid of affirmative
action on their watch? Hell? Bill Clinton was president when
they got rid of affirmative action the first time. How
Because the Democrats don't fight for black people. They fight
for everybody but us. They'll fight for unions, they'll fight

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for days, they'll fight for women, but they are not
going to fight on no mountain defending black people's rights
at all. That's why the Democratic Party did not support reparations.
And yet we see reparations happening all over the place
right now. We see it in Detroit where they're getting
twenty five thousand dollars a House. We see it in
Palm Springs where they're given sixty million dollars to black

(01:56:47):
and Latino families that were affected by policy. Meanwhile, the
Democrats know that the only way open and available, the
only open lane in American politics is left because all
the lanes are taken by the Democratic Centrists and the Republicans,
and tragically they're watching the VR. This will be dismantled.

(01:57:11):
But Carl, they did this in twenty thirteen John Roberts
in the case of Shelby County, Alabama versus Eric Holder
as the Attorney General, resulted in two things happening at
the same time. One, the Court recognized gay marriage officially
and finally that same session. And I want to be

(01:57:34):
clear with the audience the way the Supreme work, the
Supreme Court works in terms of this calendar is it
meets the first Monday of every October. So that's when
the Supreme Court opens up the first Monday of every October.
So they just started last week and we're gonna hear
about a whole bunch of cases that are on the docket,

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and they will make a decisions between June and July.
So by the time July comes, Black Americans could have
lost the vote. Yes, by the time July comes, you
and I could lose the right to vote. And let's
be clear call, we never really had it. The Fifteenth
Amendment gave it to us, and it took it took
ninety years later in nineteen sixty five, ninety five years

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later for it to have teeth. So we had the
fifteenth Amendment and we still couldn't vote for one hundred years,
and then we got the vote in nineteen sixty five.
And there were several sections to it. Section three is
what they took out in twenty thirteen, and it had
a piece in it that was real powerful called pre clearance.

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Preclearance meant if you wanted to do voter ID or
DMV registration, or change the age of voters to seventeen
in your city or state like it was mainly the
thirteen Confederate States and New York State and Oregon because
they all had had racial histories of discrimination in voting,
so they all had to get pre clearance. Well, John

(01:59:05):
Roberts and his extreme court took that away. They took
the teeth reenforcement. They took preclearance out in twenty thirteen.
Now they're going for Section two, which is the last
tooth of the Voting Rights Act. So once they get
finished with this, it's going to be another one hundred
years with black people are gonna have to fight for
the right to vote. And we're in the twenty first century.

(01:59:27):
That's why you know you're dealing with some real demons,
because they know the engine that is everywhere, everybody can
see everything. This ain't like the old days of nineteenth
century where they can hide in the county office and
do some evil and then come out with the evil
judge and the evil sheriff and give us some of
the evil. This is in open public space. This is

(01:59:50):
in the public domain. We all know what's going on.
And yet they're still blatantly trying to undermine black citizenship,
this whole fight about birthright citizenship and about immigrants. They're
coming for us. We the number. We are, we are
the vanguard, we are the one. The Jews. Open Israel

(02:00:11):
recently said, oh, the problem with Palestine in America because
of our moral positions of not supporting open evil. So
what did they say? A woman, a leader in Israel's
of Congress, said it's the black Americans that are the
threat they're worried about us because we will speak out

(02:00:31):
and in our music and in our poetry and in
our churches. A lot of our pastors have been doing
a wonderful job, like Jamal Bryant and other pastors have
been doing a stellar job of being in front of this.
And Carl was going to come out of all of this.
If we don't develop a black consciousness akin to the
new Negro movement that gave us Guarvianism on one hand

(02:00:53):
and the Harlem Renaissance on the other, if we don't
turn away from white people right now ourselves and it's
only on us for the next fifty years, we're going
to go to hell with these people.

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
But let me tell out here, doctor Taylor co Bread.
But let me ask you this wasn't that reflected though
all these No King rallies that you saw across the
country this weekend. You have to look hard to find
somebody who looked like us at any of these rallies.
If somehow we've just unformally just said, hey, this is
not our fight. We're backing up. Y'all got it, You

(02:01:28):
deal with it, and we we sit back and watch.
That's what's going on. Or have we somehow reached that
level to stay away because they're trying to pull us in.

Speaker 8 (02:01:38):
James Balboa made it clear that racism is white people's sickness,
not ours. It's our problem that they have a sickness.
And if it takes seven million of them to get
together yesterday to get this get themselves together. White people
need to heal themselves spiritually of their racism, and maybe
getting together with seven million other white folk will do
that for them. Black people, we're a different mindset. We

(02:02:02):
did our work and we keep putting in work. But
I think people are still exhausted from all of what
happened in twenty twenty with the pandemic and the police
riots and the police killings and the police protests when
we were fighting on two fronts, the pandemic of COVID
and the pandemic of white racist policing and other racist policing.

(02:02:23):
So black folk and black women are showing that right
now it's time for us to drink tea, have our
fans in our hand, do our you know, have our
boots on the ground, dance, pray, meditate, get together with
other black folk, eat, heal, love, and let them deal

(02:02:44):
with their spiritual crisis, because look, January sixth is a
metaphor for white people's mindset. That was all them. It
was one negro out there, one and he got arrested,
but all of them white folks. That's their misery of
being white. See white being white? Nobody happy being white.
They might have money and middle class them and they
don't have to worry about certain financial things, but there's

(02:03:07):
nothing good about being white. There's nothing good about it.
It doesn't bless, it only curses, it only hurts the world.
Blackness is the opposite. We bless, we love, we forgive,
we vibe, we gazz, we blues, and we hip hop,
and we keep producing new music and new art and

(02:03:32):
new culture and new loves. And we didn't need to
be out there yesterday. And that's why you notice, whenever
white people get together, the police don't show up. Seven
million people. There wasn't one single arrest all day yesterday.
Now that happened with us in the million MA in
March October sixteen, nineteen ninety five. Don't get me wrong,

(02:03:52):
but I just think it's phenomenal that when white people
march together, they don't have no massive police protests. But
when we rose up in Black Lives Matter and George Floyd, they.

Speaker 1 (02:04:02):
Did all right. Hold on though, right there, Doc. When
we come back, we're to take a quick break. Cliff
wants to speak with you. If family, you two can
join our conversation with doctor James Taylor. Just reach out
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(02:04:24):
He'd like to speak to him. Reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.
Before we go back to m vill let me just
remind you. Coming up later this week, we're going to
hear from Morgan State University professor doctor Ray Wimbush. Also
from the Million Women's Marsh they're having their anniversary. We
dealt with the men last week. Well, they're gonna have
their anniversary this week and Sister Philly will be here. Also,
the National Black Farmers Association President John Boyd will jonas

(02:04:48):
black farmers are catching hell. He'll tell us why and
how what they do, how they're dealing with that, and
also grew Boba Lumumba from the Mooja House in the
district of Jonas as well. So if you are in Baltimore,
make sure you keep you ready, locked in tight, real
tight on ten t WLB if you're in the DMV
or on fourteen fifteen w L. All right, Donna Tayls,
I message you got some folks already want to talk
to you. Cliff's calling from Connecticut's online one Grand Rising. Cliff,

(02:05:09):
your question for doctor Taylor.

Speaker 14 (02:05:11):
The grand Rising brother Kyle grandm Rising to your guest,
Doctor Taylor. I totally agree with you one hundred percent.
But here's my question, Doctor Taylor. The point I'm making
that or the question that I'm getting to, is that
there I have seen a rise in a particular group
of white people that harbor this racist sentiment and that

(02:05:33):
those to me are white Christian nationalists. And I believe,
and I want to get your opinion, I believe that
their thoughts that God, their white God, has given this
country to them also have given him the privilege to
keep this land and to make it white. So that
means to get rid of black people, to get rid

(02:05:55):
of illegal immigrants, also transgender and also the fight against
abortion because they want to keep the white population. Does
that make a little bit of sense? Does that sounds reasonable?
Doctor Taylor?

Speaker 8 (02:06:08):
It is absolutely accurate. I've said that here on Calls
Hill a number of times, and thank you for your
call that Roe v. Wade was about racism. It has
nothing to do It has very little to do with gender.
That road. When Trump said in twenty around twenty twenty
when he was running I think twenty when he was running,

(02:06:29):
he made the point in an interview that women should
get arrested for abortions, and he meant white women, and
why because they need because every other group is having
a baby boom. Right now, black people are forty five million.
We're going to seventy five million in thirty years. So
by twenty seventy five, the US Census projects there'll be
seventy five million blacks. By twenty sixty five, the census

(02:06:50):
projects there'll be sixty five million blacks, and then ten
more ten years later. So then the Asian population is
going from three percent to six So as long as
you've been alive, just imagine there's gonna be twice as
many Asians before you die than when you were first born.
In the next thirty forty years, Latinos women are out

(02:07:10):
birth and white women in every county in America, including
in all white states like Vermont. I'm saying South Dakota.
So there's a browning of America, and it's inevitable. And
I like to joke around and say, one of these days,
we're gonna see the last white man here. Like Columbus,
He's gonna be the un Columbus. He gonna be the
last white man to close the door for Europe. When

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the white man finally leaves America the same way Columbus came,
there's gonna be a white man who's fame is for
being the last one to leave. Because that's what's happening. Inevitably.
Whites can't keep up birthwives, they can't keep up with
the birth rates. They're women fifty sixty years ago decided
through birth control to control how many children they have. Meanwhile,

(02:07:54):
called they laughed at us, They called our families pathological.
They said our families were illegitimate, our fathers were illegitimate,
Our family structure was bastardized and pathological. That's the word
Daniel P. Moynihan used. Was that in the Moynihan Report
in nineteen sixty five, it basically said the black family

(02:08:14):
was pathological. And he's an Irish. He was Irish Catholic,
so they didn't believe in birth control. So the Kennedys right,
and someone like you know, the Soner I'm talking about
Daniel Patrick moynihan, the Irish, so they believe in big,
big families, no birth control, right. But so Daniel Patrick

(02:08:34):
moynihan was an Irish intellectual who Hillary Clinton replaced as
a senator.

Speaker 2 (02:08:39):
In New York.

Speaker 8 (02:08:40):
He wore bow tie, He was an intellectual, he was
a smart man. He worked for Nixon and the best
he could do when it came to us. Because our
family structure is called it pathological. But the point I'm
trying to make is as a Catholic, his family was
also large and not nuclear. In other words, Catholics, the

(02:09:01):
Italians and the Irish and Mexicans do not embrace one man,
one woman, two kids of white ticket fence and the garage.
That's the WASP fantasy, the white Anglo Saxon Protestant fantasy,
and what I'm trying to say, real quickly, call is
that structure of when the woman finally got out the
house and started working side by side with her husband.

(02:09:24):
White women decided to have few with children, and as
Malcolm said, the chickens have finally come home to roost.
See because when you were mocking black people, saying they're
all in the hood, your ghetto, you didn't got no daddy's. Meanwhile,
white families were experiencing fifty percent divorces too. But on
top of that call again, they meant it for our

(02:09:47):
bad and they mocked our family structure. But there's an
article you can find by David Brooks, the Reagan Knight
New York Times writer that it says the nuclear family,
we had it wrong all along, and he says in
the five hundred year history of Western Europe, he says,

(02:10:09):
the idea of a nuclear family was a lie. It
was a slander on non white people because non white
people don't have no one man, one woman, two kids
in a white picket fence family structure. We have large families,
matrimonial families, black mothers, sisters, black mothers and their sisters
and their mothers. Black women have taken care of black families,

(02:10:32):
helped take care of black families, right, So my point
is they mocked us, and they Bill O'Reilly made a
career on Fox News talking about ninety five percent of
black kids are born out of wedlock, and this idiot
Charlie Kirk did the same thing. Black people are born
out of wedlock. What business isn't a bess if we

(02:10:52):
have ninety five percent born out of wedlock when they
got sixty percent divorce, which means they kids are being
raised and divided families too. But beyond that, white families
are dying out now because they stupidly in placed the
nuclear family model for the past fifty years. And ain't

(02:11:13):
nobody else dying out because they did not?

Speaker 1 (02:11:18):
Good point twelve away from the top, Doctor Taylor. Sisters
Serrita's checking in from La. She's online too, Grand Rising,
Sister Serida.

Speaker 13 (02:11:25):
Your question for doctor Taylor, Grand Rising, Oh my god,
doctor James Taylor, you are you are such quality radio.
You know, I just absolutely love love when you come on.
And here's my thing, and I'm gonna ask my question.
The first thing is that we literally they're so obsessed

(02:11:47):
with black people. We literally live rent free in their
heads literally rent free in their heads and so it's
just crazy to me. But doctor Taylor, I wanted to know,
what do you suggest that the gen X's invest in

(02:12:10):
teaching even more so?

Speaker 15 (02:12:12):
Now?

Speaker 13 (02:12:13):
Because I noticed with gen these even though some of
them because I raised Gen Z's and they're very intellectual,
but some of the stuff that I think they're not
rolling with. If you will, what do you think that

(02:12:34):
our generation could direct them in of importance? Now, my
daughters they understand voting and things of that nature. They
understand the investment, but they seem to go in a
different aspect. They understand that generational wealth is not just
based on money. However, what would you suggest, doctor Taylor,

(02:12:57):
that parents invest in even more with with their children.
And also, do you believe in this state that we
are in, do you believe that starting a business is
a good decision to do under this raggedy administration? And

(02:13:17):
I'll take my cards right, no.

Speaker 8 (02:13:19):
Thank you. I think I think the thing we need
to teach our children is self esteem and self worth
and self love and knowledge of self like the honor
of Leijah, Muhammad tried to tell us there was great
value in the Nation of Islam program around self esteem
and Black self consciousness, and we need a organized Black

(02:13:41):
consciousness right now. The U n I A. The Garvy
Movement wasn't It wasn't about Garvey's charisma. It was just
that the racism of lynching and the racism of Woodrow Wilson,
who was a Donald Trump of his time. When he
showed Birth of a Nation at the at the White
House and celebrated the ku Kuk clan black folk had
five thousand people hanging from trees. We had to turn

(02:14:04):
our backs on them, and we turned towards ourselves, and
we built a world called the New Negro Movement in
Harlem that's spread through every where. It's spread to La
It's spread to Oakland, It's spread to San Francisco. It's
spread to Omaha. It's spread to places like Tulsa. It's
spread to places in Oklahoma and in Nebraska and in

(02:14:28):
the Midwest. So I think we have to teach our
children knowledge of self, teach them self love that they are.
So in other words, I think we can't focus on
anything outside of them. I don't think we should talk
about what they need to educate themselves with and what
companies they need to build. We got to build black

(02:14:49):
people's inner parts first. And that's why I think a student,
for example, majoring in business, you know, like say at Berkeley,
when I taught at Berkeley for six years, we would
have a lot of black students who were majoring in
African American studies take the class. And the reason is
because they wanted to show up the strength of who

(02:15:10):
they were. So when they go to business or engineering,
or law study or or any other area, they will
have a healthy strength of inner inner self inner self esteem.
Black people need to be encouraged to keep loving themselves.

(02:15:32):
And I don't think we should love anybody else. I
don't think we should be teaching love of others. That's
if that's your religious belief, more power to you. I
think we should be teaching black people to love black people.
I'm like Easter Ray, I'm vooting. I'm rooting for everybody black,
that's right. I ain't rooting for nobody black that's wrong,
like Kansas Owens or Kanye West or somebody or Snoop Dogg.

(02:15:52):
I ain't rooting for none of them right now. But
I'm rooting for everybody black. Who who who? Who? Who?
My mother would sit down at the table and feed
if they came over to my mother's house, That's who
I'm looking for. And we got to understand how young
people are have this technology. They're going to be on
the cutting edge of AI and other new technologies. They're smart,

(02:16:16):
they can handle it. We have to have faith in
that generation coming, the generation Z. I have three teenagers
of my own. They're smart. Two of my sons are
in college right now. My daughter is walking around reading
books at fifteen. She reads, She's reading Sula, she's reading Beloved.

(02:16:37):
She's reading like we did in the nineties and two
thousands and eighties, in the seventies and the sixties. She's
reading books. I'm telling black kids read James Baldwin, or
go online and listen to Baldwin. Just go put Baldwin
on YouTube and just let James Baldwin talk to you
on YouTube. If you're afraid of these times, listen to Baldwin.

(02:16:58):
He tells you it's there spiritual crisis. Baldwin says, the
N word is them. They made it up. They came
up with the evil. It came from within their imagination.
So he said, I always knew I was not the end.
I knew you were, And Tony Morrison said the same thing.
She said, my father, her father knew he was spiritually

(02:17:20):
superior to the white men spiritually, and I believe black
people are spiritually superior to white people in America and
on the entire earth. We are the good. We are
the hue in human, were the hue in human. I
wish we stopped spelling human h U m a N
and selling h u E m a N. Because we're

(02:17:42):
the human. We're the good in this world. The only
thing we do wrong is we turn on each other
with self hate, with guns and violence and domestic violence.
But when it comes to everybody else, hell, you can't
find a more loving way. He's on the planet when
it comes to everybody else except ourselves. So we need

(02:18:05):
to focus on self love. But then you know what
comes out of that system is kids will do their
own businesses. You know, this is kid kay Senet. He's
some kind of phenomena. This kid got a blog or
a podcast and now it's become bigger than David Letterman
we used to be, or Johnny Carson used to be.

(02:18:25):
Where everybody wants to come and sit at this boy's
apartment and he's making millions of dollars and I don't
know how to do that. That's the new generation and
they're winning. So I have faith our young people will
master the technology going forward.

Speaker 1 (02:18:42):
But we have the right aside for a few moments.
I'll let you finish your thought of there and Jane
Detroit wants the speaker there and Kay Senett, by the way,
it's a young Haitian brother, So four minutes away from
the top day out for those folks who're just like uh,
the Ados folks. Kai sinets Haitian and he's doing just
exactly what doctor James Taylor talked about. Anyway, as I mentioned,

(02:19:03):
we got to step aside a few moments in Jane
Detroit got a question for doctor Taylor. You two can
join the conversation. Reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six and
I'll take yout phone calls next and grind Rising family,
thanks for rolling with us on this Monday morning. Thanks
for starting your week with us and our guest, Doctor
James Taylor is a black politics expert. He teaches it
teaches black politics, I should say, at the University of

(02:19:26):
San Francisco. You'd like to speak to him. Reach out
eight seventy six. As I mentioned Jay's calling from Detroit.
He's online. One has a question or a comment for
doctor Taylor. Jay grand Rising around with doctor Taylor.

Speaker 2 (02:19:39):
Grand Rising, curl grand rither than to doctor Taylor. I
want to ask doctor Taylor question about what I think
was the most important event that went on last week,
and I haven't heard too much talk about it. They
had the IMF and World Bank conference in DC last week,

(02:20:00):
and as I was traveling through the country and I
happened to come through there and it was this incredible
traffic jam, and I was trying to figure out what
it was all about. And as far as I'm concerned,
that's where all the movers and shakers worldwide get together
and make the agenda for so many things that's going

(02:20:21):
to affect everybody in the world. And if you look
at their schedule and see what the each conference was about,
you really see that's where the agenda is made, as
opposed to a lot of the diversions that they have here,
especially because the US is becoming more isolationists because of

(02:20:42):
the current administration. And their policy. So I wanted doctor
Taylor to kind of comment that if he was aware
that that was going on last week.

Speaker 8 (02:20:53):
Yeah, no, I wasn't. But you know, Bob Marley's song
chased them Crazy ball Heads out of Our Town is
a song about out the IMF and in in Jamaica,
UH during his lifetime. And I'm not surprised. You know,
DC is the capital, and there's all kinds of meetings
going on all the time with these financers this UH.

(02:21:14):
They're you know, deeply implicated in the Epstein files. UH
is Bank of America, which got sued this week by
one of the survivors. A number of other large banks
we what was it leaving Brothers, and there's the other
one that's really powerful. They were, you know, opening up
over one hundred and fifty accounts for Epstein. So this

(02:21:36):
is high corruption and blackmail and compromant, as the Russians
call it. UH. But it's also the case if you remember,
you know a few years ago it was Paul Wolfowitz,
it was the Neo cons UH, and they would be
meeting in the World Bank and setting agendas and setting
debt situations for mainly non European countries. To keep us

(02:22:00):
completely dependent. So they're always conspiring and I'm not surprised,
but like I said, you know, they made they meant,
they mean it for a bad but God means it
for our good. So whatever they contrive with the World
Bank's gonna hurt African countries, uh and and and West
Indian countries. But the beauty of Africa is you have

(02:22:22):
some some shining lights like Julius Malemma in South Africa
who's speaking bluntly about the situation there and got Trump
so scaredy bringing white folk over here. And and then
also you have a brother in Bikini, Fossa Abraham Terri,
you know, basically kicking the French out and exposing that

(02:22:46):
the French as a colonizer is welfare dependent on its
African colonies. Without Africa, France is a poor Eastern European country,
like you know some of the Eastern Block countries like Georgia,
you know, or Ukraine. That's what France is without Africa
is like Ukraine, a poor European country. So that's been exposed.

(02:23:09):
We've seen Trinidad and Tobago this own the crown and
withdraw themselves from the from the Commonwealth and remove the
king from the head of state in Tobago. This is
all part of a reparation's mindset, and I really do
think Black people need to understand reparations and not just
about money. Reparations is a total revolution in relationship to

(02:23:30):
white capitalism and relationship to white people, and in relationship
to the police, because the police police the poor. And
if we have reparations, reasonable reparations, it should change the
the economic relationship between Black America and capitalism, Black America
and white America, Black America and blue America, the police.

Speaker 2 (02:23:51):
Yeah, I gree without Africa and African people throughout the
diaspe or the world stops. That's my last comment. So
thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:24:03):
Yeah, all right, thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:24:04):
Jay.

Speaker 1 (02:24:05):
Got a tweet question for your doctor Taylor. Tweet says
a grand rising doctor Taylor. With the government and corporate
America laying off and firing hundreds of thousands of people
in the name of saving money on production by AI,
with those actions expanding poverty and joblessness, at what point
will these employers recognize their broad efforts have and will

(02:24:26):
continue to contract the economy and therefore the corporate bottom
line because they are eliminating the buyers from the market place.
It want to get your thoughts, well.

Speaker 8 (02:24:35):
Elon Musk basically said, there's going to have to be
a basic universal income for the you know, for the
next generation of people, because AI will create a what
Mark's called a reserve army of surplus labor where people
can't find jobs and they become a danger. They become

(02:24:56):
a threat, and so it would behoove the economic class,
the one percenters to find ways to minimize suffering because
if not, the society is unstable. So again Elon Musk's
argument is, with the way things look in terms of
what technology is going to do to the labor force

(02:25:18):
of the US and the world, country is going to
have to come up with welfare like they did with
the Social Security Act of nineteen thirty five after the
Great Depression, like they did with social welfare, and you know,
a social safety net. So a social safety net will
have to be created for people because if work is

(02:25:40):
not there. Again I'm not the economists, but if work
is not there, politics political science shows you do create
a dangerous situation with unemployed workers. So you might have
to give everybody a basic income, you know, a salary
to keep everybody fed. Otherwise it's constant. It's the French Revolution,

(02:26:03):
it's instability.

Speaker 1 (02:26:05):
Yeah, yeah, And after the top, doctor Hill, help us
out because Proposition fifties on the state ballot in California
and next month. Most folks, if you're not in California,
don't know anything about fifty. Can you tell us what
that's all about.

Speaker 8 (02:26:21):
Yeah, fifty represents the fifty states, and California is redrawing
its maps to basically eliminate almost every Republican district in
order to offset Texas's effort under Abbot and the Republicans
to create more districts. So the Texas is trying to
help Trump avoid a defeat in the midterm. Incumbent president

(02:26:42):
always suffers in the midterm. Obama was elected in two
to eight. Obama got destroyed by the Tea Party in
twenty ten. Obama's presidency was never the same from twenty
eleven and twenty twelve, and Obama's presidency basically ended in
the midterm. That's what we need to do for Trump
and Trump's presidency next November and in the last two years,

(02:27:03):
he's a lame duck Trump, and so I think that's
what you know that's what we have to do and
understand that they're coming after our voting rights through the
Voting Rights Law fifty basically says that California can redraw
its maps. Normally, a civilian board has decided how California's

(02:27:26):
redistricting has done every ten years after the census, and
that's how it's done. People. Every ten years, states redraw
their maps because people have moved. And wherever people have moved,
that's where more electoral seats go to. So if people
move from say New York to say Alabama, then Alabama's
gonna get one seat. Like California lost a seat recently

(02:27:49):
in Congress because people were leaving California, and Florida and
Texas gained seats because people were moving to Florida and
to Texas. So that's how it works. But the fifty
prop fifty represents fifty states in the Union, saving them
from Donald Trump and Republicans like Peter of whatever. That

(02:28:10):
Miller boy's name is Steven Miller. Where they're trying to
basically manipulate the midterm elections. And so Gavin Newsom, I'm
glad he's doing it, is saying, no, I got the
fourth largest economy on the planet. I got the most
diverse state on the planet. It's the most wealthy state
in America because it's the most diverse. And you know,

(02:28:32):
Gavin Newsom is taking you know, drawing his line in
the sand. And now Obama is out here on commercials
supporting it and call to be clear the support for
the passage of Prop. Fifty, which is good for black folk.
So yes, yes on fifty is good.

Speaker 1 (02:28:49):
Well let me ask you this though, though, Doctors Hayle,
are you concerned though, because some people think that the election,
the last president's election was you know, there was some
monkey business is going if I can use that term
with Elon Musk and the computers, are you concerned that
you'll put this in the vote and it's and it
will fail because somebody tampered with the results. Is that

(02:29:10):
an issue?

Speaker 8 (02:29:11):
Well, you know that's all gonna come out one day.
I believe what happened in twenty twenty four with Elon Musk.
Prop fifty aims to shift the ability of drawing the
California did a congressional districts from a civilian board over
to the legislature and to Gavin Newsom. And again they're

(02:29:35):
trying to offset what the Republicans are doing. You know,
they're trying to manipulate it. But again, if you have
people like Gavin Newsom respondents saying we're not gonna let
you play that game. And that's part of the problem
with the Democrats up to this point, with Chuck Schumer
and the other leadership is yet too busy being reactive
and not fighting back. Well, Gavin Newsom's fighting back, and

(02:29:58):
even if he has presidential and so what what he's
doing is basically not playing by the old rules. And
even this guy Steiner who ran for governor out here
last time, has joined the Democrats and his co signing
on the potential threat of a you know, of the

(02:30:19):
Republicans of Texas being able to draw lines. So out
here there's a commercial with Trump sitting in front of
a TV curson at it because they said Prop fifty passed,
and Trump has a fit in this commercial in this advertisement.
But Prop fifties support right now is about ninety five percent,
so it's going to take a miracle for it not

(02:30:40):
to pass. And again, what it does is it's just
redistricting and trying to offset the redistricting of Texas, which
is intended to undermine the vote for the midterm election.
So they're trying to say the midterm elections by making
all of these changes.

Speaker 1 (02:30:58):
Okay, And before I take on a call, a quick tweet,
I wanted to know asked out to tell her what
happened to Gavin newsom stance on black reparations.

Speaker 8 (02:31:06):
Well, he did something last week to keep it going.
There's a lot of confusion as to what's happening, what's
being set at the Sacramento legislative level. They have not
included those of us who took the leader on this
whole issue in San Francisco. We were the ones that
really got it going. And they're still going on their
own here in California and in this and in the

(02:31:30):
country without consulting us, And I kind of feel left out,
to be honest with you, I'm like, wait a minute,
we went through it, we wrote a proposal, we came
up with a reparations plan, and y'all not asking the
people who came up with one. Again in Palm Springs,
there's reparations being done in Detroit. Now I've been reading
in the last couple of days. I don't know how Again,

(02:31:50):
there's no blueprint, and nothing's perfect. Every reparations plan is
going to be local and tailored to whatever happened to
the black folk in that community. Assville, North Carolina has reparations,
but Assville, North Carolina didn't have massive violence and anti
black lyncheons or major racism. Ashville, North Carolina is a

(02:32:10):
diamond in the rough. They're doing reparations, but yet they
don't have a deep anti black racist history in Ashville,
believe it or not. So they're in spots here and there,
you know, a reparations just happening. If Gavin Newsom and
the Democrats had got behind reparations, Kamala Harris might be
president right now. But because like I said earlier, the

(02:32:31):
Democrats refused to support anything black. They'll say gay publicly,
they'll say trans without hesitation. Fifteen years ago, you couldn't
get nobody to say trans. Now all of them got
trans on the tip of their term. But they don't
say black. And that's my problem with the Democrats. They
don't fight for black people as black people. They fight

(02:32:51):
for black people as Democrats, not as black people.

Speaker 1 (02:32:54):
To hell with the Democrats, gotcha fourteen half that's out
there all. Let's take some more. Brother, Say who's checking
in from Baltimore's online One grand rising brother, say, coop
your question for doctor Taylor, John Bo.

Speaker 9 (02:33:09):
Doctor Taylor, why do you and your peers when I
save peers, I'm talking about others who claim the title
doctor and profession professor. Why do y'all spend so much
time talking about what white folks are doing or have
done in the past. Is it because you think you're
going to cure them other racism? Is it because you

(02:33:32):
think you're going to save this system that even you
admit is collapsing. I'll take my answer off the head.

Speaker 8 (02:33:40):
Yeah, if you were listening to you to heard me
say black people need to turn their backs on white
people like they did in the New Negro movement for
the next fifty years. That's my that's my solution to now.
If black people should turn their backs on white society,
focus on their churches, focus on their HBCUs, focus on
their fraternities and sororities, focus on their families. That's what

(02:34:01):
we need to be doing to hell with them, Focus
on us, build like we always have. Create more blues,
more jazz, more hip hop, more music out of the
souls of black folk. Keep building, keep striving. We got
more doctors than we ever had, we got more lawyers
than we ever had, we got more scientists than we
ever had. Right, and that's why they're coming after us,

(02:34:21):
because they know we are. The great alternative to white
supremacy is black culture and black America, Black America. There's
three ways to be in America. The Indian way the
original way, but they killed the Indians off. The other
way is white supremacy and black America black. And this
is what Nicki Hannah Jones is trying to educate us
with the Project sixteen nineteen. She says, America don't begin

(02:34:44):
in seventeen seventy six or seventeen eighty seven. It begins
in her mind sixteen nineteen when they claim we first arrived. Now,
some say fifteen fifty five, the nation does, but she
says sixteen nineteen. The point is what that date is
saying America begins when we arrive, not when the revolution happens.
We black Americans are one hundred and fifty years older

(02:35:05):
than the American Revolution. We're one hundred and fifty years
older than America just on this land. So again, I
don't brother focus on white people If you listen to me,
you've been hearing me say that we should focus on ourselves,
that we should turn our backs on them and develop
our own communities. And I'm talking about what we need

(02:35:26):
to do with our young people to encourage their self esteem,
encourage them. You didn't hear me say, oh, go out
and run and create businesses, and go out and assimilate,
and go out and make it in the world. What
did I say? We need to build up the self
esteem of our children so that when they leave, they
can go out and do whatever they want to do,
whether it's be a scientist, a lawyer, or you know,

(02:35:48):
or a technician, they can do it with the self
esteem that comes from the souls of black folks. Black
America is the alternative to white America. And there's three
ways you could have been in America, the way, the
White way, in the Black way, and the White way
can't help itself. That's why they can't leave us alone,
because they know.

Speaker 1 (02:36:06):
Oh, I thought, right there, Doc, We've got to step
us out for a few moments. We got some more
folks want to talk to you. Eighteen after the top,
they have family Doctor James Taylor's our guess he's a
black politics expert. Got a question about black politics. Reach
out to us. Our telephone number is told fre it's
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eight seventy sixty. We'll take your phone calls next. So
sticking with us on this Monday morning here at the

(02:36:28):
start of the week. The twenty minutes after the top
there that guest, doctor James Taylor. It's a black politics
expert out of San Francisco. Teachers at the University of
San Francisco got a question about politics. Reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six. Croys joined us from Washington, DC's on line two.
Grand Rising, Troy, your question for doctor Taylor.

Speaker 5 (02:36:49):
Yes, Grand Rising. I wanted to first, I wanted to
say happy related birthday to Peter Tajh whose birthday was yesterday,
a Stone revolutionary. And I wanted to ask it's two
comments that I would like for you to speak to.

Speaker 8 (02:37:07):
Sir.

Speaker 5 (02:37:09):
Trump was found saying, I think yesterday or this morning
in the interview, that he's about sick and tired of
these court cases and these judges rising up against him,
and he just think it would be easier and more
chaotic to call for the Insurrection Act. And now there's

(02:37:31):
no more court cases. He has full control. When do
you see that happening? That's number one. Question. Number two
is you talked about the governor order from California. He said,
every time Trump's bring a guest to the White House,
he makes it his business. The first thing he shows

(02:37:51):
them where he spent two million dollars on Trump hats
for twenty eight And it just seems he's set in
the ground that he's not going anywhere. So those two questions,
the insurrection and the Trump asked for twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 8 (02:38:11):
Yeah, thank you, Troy. First, the courts have held. You know,
That's what I think people don't realize is no matter
how much they've pressured Omega has tried to, you know,
put stress on the system and stretch it like a
rubber bank. You can, you know, go to it to
its it's extremes. The center has held and the courts

(02:38:34):
have been the center. You can look at any headline
in the last year or two and Trump keeps losing. Now,
don't get me wrong with John Roberts has given him
basic immunity, but to be honest, that was for any president,
and every president was going to have that. Trump is
the first one to actually ask for it and use it.

(02:38:54):
But it was given that the president. That's what Nixon
tried to say. When the president does something, it's not
against the law because he is the law. And that's
what Nixon tried to say. But Trump is making that
into a doctrine. And again, when you see people abusing
things that it comes back like you know, you know
people have There's an Instagram post out there that says,
remind Pam Bondy that even though Richard Nixon didn't go

(02:39:17):
to jail, his attorney general did. There will be an
accounting of this era. There will be a uh, there
will be some truth and reconcil I don't about reconciliation,
but there will be some truth commissions that will get
at the bottom of this. And and and the bar
in terms of the bar for law, bar exam, the

(02:39:37):
bar for law, they don't play. They come and if
they see you participating in lies and and you know,
false representations to the court, they come after your career.
They come after your license, independent of what's happening in politics.
So people can play these games. But like this. You
know the eleven people that I think came up with

(02:39:57):
some fake ballots for Trump in Arizona, they all being
prosecuted still. Now he can pardon them if he wants to,
but they're at the state level. So again, the insurrection
that can be used with there is only an insurrection,
and you know that's what they were trying to do,
create an insurrectionary environment. Donald Trump is sick because he
spends all his time being a negative president and not

(02:40:20):
doing anything to build. I mean, Eisenhower built the interstate
freeway system. Eisenhower can point to the freeways and say
I was president. What can Trump point to except a
bunch of childish, racist, lazy old white He's like a
lazy ass white man archie bunker who sits around TV

(02:40:43):
hating everything he sees moving and then has the power
to act on it. But this is not the stuff
of affirmative presidential politics. It's failing, and the people being
hurt the most are these red states that are dependent
on See California don't need America. America needs California. California's

(02:41:05):
got uh an economy that's that's larger than most countries
on the planet all but three. So California doesn't need America.
America needs California, Alabama needs America, Georgia needs America, Texas
needs America, Arkansas needs America, Oklahoma needs America. New West
Virginia needs America. New Mexico needs America. New York don't

(02:41:28):
need America. Uh, California don't need America. And so again,
you know, what, what what what is happening with the
you know, with the chaos. You know Trump is trying
to create chaos or black folk are smarter than Trump.
We aren't taking the bait in every situation down in Chicago,
in New York. They're talking about going to Boston. They

(02:41:51):
went to Portland, and people are not taking the bait.
You're not seeing black folk out there like you did
with the George Floyd protests. So, you know, I think
at this point the Insurrectionary Act one court has already
told Trump he can't just willy nearly decide to use
the Act. It has to be an actual emergency. You
can't just use it, and you can go to prison

(02:42:12):
for doing that. So you know, whether Trump pays for
it or not, a lot of people are going to
live to see an accounting of what's happening and the
ways in which different actors have aided in the bedding
in wherever areas of law have been violated.

Speaker 1 (02:42:29):
Right, And he mentioned Trump twenty eight, these hats and
the Trump this morning.

Speaker 8 (02:42:34):
Twenty Why are y'all doing that to y'allself? This devil
will be good by twenty twenty eight. Why are we
worried about it? I mean, that's all psychological warfare. This
man don't have no control over that. And they can
keep trying to create the environment where that kind of
thing could happen. But the Constitution is clear. A president
can only serve two successive terms in his own right,

(02:42:57):
and he could serve two years of somebody else's. So
the most of president can serve is six years. LBJ
finished off the two years of JFK after JFK was shot,
and then he had four years of his own, and
then he chose not to run again, right, But he
was allowed to finish the term for Kennedy and then

(02:43:19):
run outright. So again, there's no mechanisms, And if there is,
you know you got Gavin Newsom and you got Barack
Obama on the scene. Obama still kill enough to run again,
so we could play that game. I mean, that's what
the Democrats should do. Just put up Obama because that's
what this is all about anyway. All this white white misery,

(02:43:40):
all this white angst, all this white sadness and white
rage is about a black man being president. So why
the hell don't we just say make a bunch of
why don't we get somebody to put up two million
dollars worth of Obama twenty twenty eight hats and shut
them the hell up.

Speaker 1 (02:43:57):
Good point twenty eight. After the top there, before taking
of the coffee, the government shut down, Doctor Taylor say
that this may be the longest ever, may shut down
until Thanksgiving. How will that impact the economy? And why
is the impact the shutdown of these layoffs impacting black
women more than any other group.

Speaker 8 (02:44:14):
Because you know what people don't remember is Bill Clinton
and our Gore did the same thing Trump is doing.
But Bill Clinton called it reinventing government, and he was
trying to appease conservatives by downsizing the federal government. And
that always hurts black and brown people, especially black women
who have been working for the federal government. Going back
to you know, the movie Hidden Figures, going back to

(02:44:36):
the days of you know, of the Astro of the
Apollo system and before that. So you know, I think
I think that's part of it, you know, is is
they know you know that that you know, we've had this,
we've had these different kinds of successes, and they're going
to continue to try to undermine our efforts as long

(02:44:59):
as you know, it's going to be on the scene
because uh, you know, like I said, we represent a
different way of being being here in America.

Speaker 1 (02:45:11):
Gotcha thirty after the top, Let's go to Waldorf, Maryland.
Brother Collis is there, he's online. Three, Brother Collis, your
question for doctor Taylor.

Speaker 10 (02:45:20):
Thank you, my dear brothers, and thank you doctor Taylor
for your insightful information. My question is is a deep
one and I would like to have your opinion on it.

Speaker 8 (02:45:31):
Is that.

Speaker 10 (02:45:33):
How do you how do we address the addiction of
our young people to the white the white people, the
white women that are sent into our communities to entrap
our young people, the athletes, the entertainers, and by entrapping them,

(02:45:56):
they steal the wealth of our community. Number one and
number two then rage, then rage the white male counterparts
such as the police officers and the other white people
to brutalize and to take action. But yet these are

(02:46:20):
this white addiction still prevails. Why the young athletes want
to go to these these colleges where they put the
white females out there as baits, as trophies and so
forth for our young white men. And I met black

(02:46:41):
men and we fall for that okie dope and so forth,
you know. And I just think that this is a
major problem.

Speaker 4 (02:46:48):
In our community.

Speaker 8 (02:46:49):
What say you, Yeah, I've seen this my whole life.
You know, I've been around the University of about thirty
thirty years now, the academy in general, and you know,
going back to my own time as an athlete, you know,
and when I was a student at Pepinine, you would
see it, you know. You know, it was like the
girls wanted the black athletes, and the black athletes wanted them,

(02:47:10):
and it was a thing. I don't understand the psychology.
You know, they were talking about black men with PhDs
and educations with quick to run out and get a
white woman. I've had a PhD for about fifteen years.
I've never thought about running out marrying a white woman.
I don't understand the psychology. I think it has something
to do with your mama or your grandmama, or something

(02:47:30):
where there's a disconnect and it's not simply love. This
is a I was in a court case recently as
an expert witness, and the prosecution asked me about something
being race neutral, and I told the prosecutor in the
court case, in the hearing in the court room, there's
no such thing as race neutrality in America. Everything is
racial in America. Anybody claiming that everything is not racial,

(02:47:54):
all you got to do is take the word in
America and unscramble it and it says, I am race.

Speaker 4 (02:47:59):
Just do that.

Speaker 8 (02:48:00):
Take a ten, unscramble America and it spells im race
and all the letters are used. America spells out im race.
So it's like monopoly. It's a game. And we the
only black people on the planet that live with the
white people that enslaved us. Nobody else anywhere in the
world still lives with their oppressa like we do in
South Africa. The white man is there, but he's a minority,

(02:48:22):
even though he has all the power and the economic wealth.
We are an American minority. And the white man that
we live with did not go back to Europe Jamaica,
they went back to Europe. Haiti they went back to Europe.
Dominican Republic they went back to Europe. The West Indies
they went back to Europe. So I asked, you know,
the African who comes here to look down on us,
or the West Indian who comes down and looks at

(02:48:44):
down at American blacks and say what's wrong with y'all?
My retort to them is, where's your white man? Where's
your white man? From Jamaica, the neo colonial arrangements like
we were talking about with the IMF and World Bank,
But where is your white man? Physically, black people in
America are the only and this is something called nobody
thinks about. We think it's naturalized that we live with

(02:49:07):
white people. But show me another country in the world
where fifty million black people live with a hunt and
white people.

Speaker 1 (02:49:16):
Well, let me you even ask you this, though, Doc,
Is it possible that is it possible that they we
can coexist peacefully or what we're seeing now is the
real America?

Speaker 8 (02:49:27):
No, we cannot. It's inevitable that America is just split
between red and blue, between whatever the racist southern and
Midwestern elements. Every election, you see the map you see
how red America is. In fact, every map in America,
every state is red. There are no blue states. There
are only blue cities that turn red states red. Like

(02:49:48):
Pennsylvania is red, but Philly, Harrisburg and Pittsburgh Pennsylvania red.
California is red, not blue, but La County, Alameda County
in San Francisco County turn California blue. It's the blue
cities and red states. So the problem is America was

(02:50:09):
never united it was never a United States. And even
with the Fugitive Slave Law and then the Missouri Compromised
in eighteen twenty eight, it's split America, half slave, half free.
And that's the real constitution of America. It's half slave,
half free. One part of it is anti black and hateful,
the other half of it is anti black but indifferent

(02:50:32):
to us. So we know, like Malcolm todd To explained
to us, we're dealing with the wolf and the fox.
And the reality is Cornell West says, black people don't
just have double consciousness like Duke Boy said. Corner West
says in his book called Prophesied Deliverance, which is published
in nineteen eighty two, Corner West says, we got another problem.

(02:50:54):
We live with a white people who are no longer European,
so they don't know who they are. So the only
way they know who they are.

Speaker 2 (02:51:00):
Is to us.

Speaker 8 (02:51:01):
So that's why white people obsess on us because they
don't have a European identity, like we don't have an
African identity. So corner West says, not only do black
people have their own double consciousness in relationship to being
black in America, but then they're dealing with white people
who are incomplete. It's this Corner West's word, incomplete Europeans.
White men in America are incomplete Europeans, and as incomplete Europeans,

(02:51:23):
they are always miserated about who they are in the world.
Ask a roomful of white people what they are and
you'll get fifty different ethnic references. You know, I'm Danish,
I'm Swedish, I'm German, I'm Irish, I'm Italian. Right when
they come to America, they drop all of that and
just become white because that has been the elevator that

(02:51:46):
has gotten them from the bottom to.

Speaker 1 (02:51:49):
Where we are right and hold left right there would
take our last break, and you're absolutely rights. Nay Fuller
taught us that they stay on code when it comes
to us. But we're in the Irish, Italian, or German
or France. But when it comes to us, they stay
on code. That's why he says we have to have
a code twenty four minutes away from the top they are.
Mark in Baltimore has got a question for doctor Taylor
with Talk Tomaco and get back family. You two can

(02:52:10):
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us again. I guess it's doctor James Taylor. It's a
black politics expert teachers at the University of San Francisco.

(02:52:31):
Before we go back to in the elementary mind you
coming up later this week and here for Morgan State
professors doctor Ray wimbushwell join us. Also the Billion Women
March is Sister Filey will be here. A National Black
Farmers Association President John Boyd will join us. Also, Grill
Baba Lamumba, also a former New York lawmaker New York
Cheery lawmaker Charles Brown will be here as well as

(02:52:51):
going to talk about the New York and mayoral race.
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure keep your
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Taylor's I mentioned Mark in Baltimore has a question for
Ease online one grand rise and Mark your question for
doctor Taylor.

Speaker 15 (02:53:08):
Hey, Hey, good morning guys, doctor Taylor. I think I
have a question. I don't you think you were right
when you said that Donald Trump is angry at everybody
and he now has the power and he's taking it
out on everybody. I don't think it's ever been a
president that's done that. But my question is, we always

(02:53:29):
have all this energy around reparations.

Speaker 8 (02:53:33):
But.

Speaker 15 (02:53:34):
There's Black Lives Matter. I don't never hear nobody talk
about the fact that Black Lives Matters that was established
because of George Floyd's arna have accumulated one hundred million
dollars ten to twenty million dollars a year. And the
lady came on with call MISSSII Muhammad and said that

(02:53:57):
it's been highjack and that her organization's grassroots is the one.
I don't hear nobody talking about that. When those hundreds
of millions dollars to be going in the city's like Chicago, Detroy,
stuff like that.

Speaker 8 (02:54:14):
Why because it was because it was a corruption, a
money corruption. And I guess the money was so much
because again George Floyd happens way after Black Lives Matter.
These aren't to the same thing Black Lives Matter. The
organization that Malina Abdullah is who you mean, not Mohammed
is Abdullah, Malina Abdullah. She's my sister. We went to college.
We went to USC together, so she's my sister from college.

(02:54:38):
We have the same mentor a black man who died
was our our mutual you know, dissertation chair. But anyway,
Molina has been trying to point out the corruption that
happened with Lisa Garza and April to Metto and the
other sister uh and how they how they use that
money bought houses all over in California and claim that

(02:55:00):
you know, these are going to be places where black
people can come, but all it's going to be is
black LGBTQ, because that's all BLM was that wing of
the BLM was simply a gay movement fronting as a
black movement or as a Black gay movement that took
over the Oscar Grant movement here in Oakland. That's what
people don't know is that these women were part of
the Oscar Grant movement. When Oscar Grant was killed, we

(02:55:22):
act like Michael B. Jordan didn't play Oscar Grant in
the major motion picture film made by Ryan Coogler. We
know about fruit Vale Station and Oscar Grant happened January first,
two thousand and nine, before Obama took seat, before Obama
got sworn in, he was shot, and the movement went

(02:55:43):
on after that. Black Lives Matter comes along about four
or five years later. And yet somehow they get the
money from the George Floyd movement that happens two years
about five years after. So that was absolutely wrong. And
it's because with their liberalism, were quick the right open
their checkbooks and give it to anybody organized well enough
to receive it. And that's what you know Molina has

(02:56:05):
been trying to call out is what they did. And
we can't do anything about it except to call it
out when it happens. And it undermined them. They lost
immediate credibility with everybody black. They don't represent the black
movement anymore. If they come out now and try to
act like they could stand up and take the lead.

(02:56:26):
For example, if black folks decided to do something right
now in the mass movement, they couldn't be the spokespersons.
They couldn't organize us, you know. So they got away with,
you know, Robin the Bank, and now they'll live out
their lives, you know, in the way they want you
here in California. But it was a corruption and I'm

(02:56:47):
glad Malina is calling it out all right.

Speaker 1 (02:56:52):
Fifteen away from the doctor Taylor, as I mentioned, Charles
Brown is going to be with us tomorrow and he
says that there's a large group of African Americans in
New York City are not voting for mon Donnie, and
I want to get your thoughts on this. Will he
bring to the table because he seems to being a flux.
They don't know who to support that. They don't like Cuomo,
they remember what he did and he got away with,

(02:57:14):
and of course they don't like Curtie Sleeve, who's represented
the Republican Party as well. In next month's election, and
they there's basically no place for them to go. So
they're trying to figure out who should should they set
this one out or should they get behind any of
the candidates. I want to get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 8 (02:57:32):
Now. Sure, Oh well, you know, in Seattle and Boston
they've had socialists in city government. Bernie Sanders is a socialist,
and the kind of socialists that they are, they're democratic socialists.
They're not Marxists in the in the Marxist since they're
closer to Martin Luther King. Uh that you know, Martin

(02:57:54):
Luther King was a social Democrat. In other words, Martin
Luther King was a socialist. And Bernie and Martin King's
politics are identical in my view. In other words, Bernie
and King represent a new deal Obama and say Kamala
and Bill Clinton they represent Reagan centrism. Reagan shifted the

(02:58:15):
presidential continuum to the right so far that Bill Clinton,
a Southern Arkansas candidate, runs and wins, and he runs
as basically as a democratic conservative Democratic centrism, and you know,
and they of course embrace corporate the corporate angle. People

(02:58:35):
want change. The Democrats have gone too far to the
right ever since nineteen ninety two with Bill Clinton, and
they need to get back to FDR and Mam Donnie.
His politics are Bernie's politics. That's FDR's politics. The Democrats
have to choose between FDR and Bill Clinton.

Speaker 1 (02:58:54):
Basically, doctor Taylor, will the GOP use Man Donnie as
now as a symbol of the Democratic Party and use
that against the Democrats in the election as well in
the midterms.

Speaker 8 (02:59:07):
They might, But look at the alternative, I mean, look
at Trump. I mean, whatever's wrong with Mom Donnie. Trump
got it and more, and so do plenty of other
people like Cuomo, who has sex scandal, corruption in his back,
you know background, and you know, had to step down
and has become a caricature of his former self. And

(02:59:30):
then Curtis Leeb. You know, he's been a clown since
I was a teenager back in New York, so nobody
takes him seriously. But he is poland well, I think
at fifteen percent. But Mam Donnie right now is his
contest to lose. And the problem with again white and
other socialists, just like the problem with white liberals, is

(02:59:51):
they don't embrace anything black. So marx socialists social democrats
like Bernie. Bernie is the perfect example. Bernie is Mam
Donnie at a different level ideologically, and Bernie ain't embraced
on black politics. Everything Bernie said led to one conclusion
black people deserve reparations. When he talking about the ninety
aneve percent of one percent, everything Bernie Sanders said, she'd

(03:00:13):
ended up with one conclusion, reparations. And young people during
the Black Lives Matter movement attack Hillary and Bernie, and
specifically Bernie, on reparations, and Bernie would not come around
on reparations because socialists do not embrace racial politics any
more than white liberals do. So a socialist doesn't want

(03:00:35):
to talk about race. A socialist will talk about inequality
and oppression in America, even though Blacks are disposedly impacted
by it in class terms. They won't talk about it
and theorise around race in America. The socialists, they theorise
around class. Even though again there's a race, there's a

(03:00:57):
class dimension to being black in America. American socialists still
have not theorized a race class theory. All they got
is class. So Bernie and Mandonie, they may be left
on healthcare, left on war, left on taxes, but like

(03:01:18):
the Democrats, they're not going to save the word blacks.

Speaker 1 (03:01:23):
A tan away from the top of Hakeem Jeffreys. Is
he in a tough spot here? What's stopping him for
the black either, But what's stopping him from supporting mandn
is he is he under Is he being controlled? Is
he taking an oath not to support a tax a
tack atach?

Speaker 8 (03:01:41):
The Jewish lobby atach the America, And they're in America,
they're not in Israel. The American Israel Political Action Committee,
like the NRA, is the most powerful lobby in America,
and it has corrupted both parties. You have a senator
this week, about four days ago from Massachusetts who's the
first to give them their money back. And that's what

(03:02:01):
the Democrats are going to have to do. They're going
to have to move left towards Bernie, left towards FDR,
left towards MLK. If there's any future for the Democrats,
it's left. It is not center. It is not trying
to be Reagan light like Bill Clinton. It's being FDR
strong and them. Donnie's politics otherwise, outside of black and
racial politics, are FDR's politics. And so again, he might

(03:02:25):
be the tipping point for younger, a new generation of Democrats,
because there are others. There's another young brother, I think
he's Somali somewhere in the Midwest running as a socialist.
And then you got ean Omar who's openly a socialist.
And I'm sorry, Alexanda a Constil Cortes is a Democratic Socialist.

(03:02:47):
So we have socialists on the scene. We got a
socialist from from the Bronx AOC, and and you know,
the only people that hate her is on the right.
But again, AOC never says the word black. Every once
in a while she'll let it about, but ninety nine
percent of the time when ALC's talking about issues in
America and who's negatively impacted, she won't say the word black.

(03:03:09):
And that's the problem I got with Mamdani, with Bernie
and all of the Democratic Socialists of America. That's their organization,
the DSA. The DSA does not have a position. Their
position on black politics or black oppression is once we
fix the class problem, we'll fix the race problem. So
we got to wait until they get white folk to

(03:03:31):
unite around class and then they'll get to us eventually.
And that's just nonsense for us eight Away.

Speaker 1 (03:03:39):
From the Top and doctor Taylor, if we can believe
candis orange, there is some issues with APAC and the
Jewish contributors. She said that that played a part in
the death of Charlie Kirk. Did you hear that story
as well?

Speaker 8 (03:03:52):
All it's all going to come out, you know. And
that's why I've been wanting to get a line in
this whole this whole talk, I mean, this whole interview
today from Gill Scott Heron. I mean, you know again,
that's why I think we should be tapping into our
cultural sources. We should be reading Tony Morrison right now.
We should be reading Baldwin because they gave us the
They told us what we're dealing with. They told us

(03:04:12):
we're dealing with white people's spiritual crisis. It's not ours,
like I said, January sixth was them. If you remember
November twenty twenty when Biden won, it was because of
Atlanta and there was a bunch of celebration down in
Georgia in November twenty twenty. That's Black America. We were
celebrating November twenty twenty in the streets of Georgia and

(03:04:34):
all over America, and it was all for good and
happiness and joy and possibility in the future. And then
white folk had theirs January sixth and what was it?
Nooses and attempts to kill the vice president and urinating
in the capitol and putting feces on the Speaker's house.
Black people would never do something so low, but they did.

(03:04:57):
So I'm telling you they're in crisis. We got a
deal with the fact that we live amongst the people
who are in a spiritual crisis, and their Christianity don't
help them. Christianity don't make white people better. Christianity to
make white people meaner. It makes them more self righteous,
it makes them more willing to support genocide because they
feel like God is on their side. So religion has

(03:05:19):
never helped white people act better. When when is the
white Christian Church been on black people's side? In four
hundred years? The Quakers did. The Quakers are giving that.
But other than the Quakers in four hundred years, the
white Church has always been the KKK. The white Church
has always been the moral majority the KKK. The white

(03:05:40):
Church has always been the Evangelicals. The white Church has
always been the White Citizens' Council. White Christianity is a lie.
White Christianity is an oxymorn. I don't think they're possible.
I don't think white Christianity is even possible because they
hate that they have for us seek through their religion.

(03:06:02):
Jesus teaches them in Matthew twenty five, how to love,
how to feed the naked, those who are in prison,
those who those who have no food. And look at
how these devils treat people who are poor, people who
are homeless, people who are orphans. They do the opposite
of what the scriptures teach. The Bible teachers love the immigrant,
treat the immigrant better than you treat your own people.

(03:06:24):
Do you see these people doing that? Their religion doesn't
mean a damn thing to them except when they want
to be self righteous against us. But white Christianity is
an impossibility in America when they are next to black people,
because we bring out the devil in them.

Speaker 1 (03:06:42):
And we're just about finishing right here, doctor Taylor. Before
we let you go, though, because I know you're still
working on the book. How close are you are you?

Speaker 8 (03:06:49):
I'm done. I'm done on the book. It's called White God,
Black Death of Jim Jones, People's Temple and the racial
politics of Revolutionary Suicide. So that's in production right now.
The book that's been published that I want people to
get is Black Nationalism in the United States. And I
also would like folks to look me up follow me
on Instagram. James Taylor sixteen eighty nine. I don't have

(03:07:11):
enough Call Nelson of followers, and I should have way
more by now all the years I've been on this show,
so I would appreciate it folks would get on Instagram.
But otherwise look for the book Black Nationalism, and I'll
let you all know when the release day comes for
the next book.

Speaker 1 (03:07:25):
All right, all right, thank you, doctor Taylor, thank you
for sharing your thoughts with us. Is Marty all right? Family,
that's doctor James Selivan the University of San Francisco. That's
it for the day. Class is dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,
please please stay healthy. We's you tomorrow morning, six o'clock
right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also
in the DMV on fourteen fifty wol or. Information is Power.

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