Dr. Jason Anthony, Akil Parker, Wayne Gillman, Reggie Thomas & Bill Goodin

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and welcome to Wednesday, the last
hump day of October twenty twenty five. Later license a
mental health counselor, Doctor Jason Anthony Prendergast will be in
our classroom. Doctor Jason will dispel the myths that black
men do not support their children before doctor Jason math
Garu brother Akhilee Parker will check in before a Kilo

(00:22):
and New York media analyst the Wayne Gilman and Reggie
Thomas will preview the New York City mayoral race. But
to get a started, Morma Tello, Baltimore activist and author
Bill Gooden will join us. But let's get Kevin to
open the classroom doors on this hump day, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Grand Arising, Carl Nelson. Indeed, I think we've got the
bumping this theme song in talk radio. You know, doesn't
it get you like, you know, bouncing and.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
You see you know, oh yeah, dit you get you up.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Especially if you turn up the volume, you know, with
these great speakers that we have here in the studio.
And uh anyway, that's you know, being musically inclined. I
think that everybody should get up and feel your dance today,
you know, get out of your bed right now, feel
that dance, clap your hands, raise your hands, you know,

(01:12):
give some things some gratitude, and then just share and
turn up the radio and take out your notebook because
it's going to be a great day. On the Call
Nelson Morning Show, University, how you feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm still learning and I know we'll learnch some stuff
this morning from the lineup of guests that we have
coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Absolutely, it's the twenty ninth of October, like you said,
the last worry free Wednesday, the last humpday, the last
mid week dedication, and so we're all set to go.
But starting on a somewhat sad note, Hurricane Melissa is
still doing her thing, making landfall in eastern Cuba as

(01:56):
a Category three storm, and we you know, we're still
looking out for and praying for people in the wake
of the storm after it pummeled Jamaica as one of
the strongest Atlantic hurricanes on record. That's according to the
US National Hurricane Center. Hundreds of thousands of people were

(02:16):
evacuated to shelters in Cuba, and a hurricane warning is
still in effect for the provinces of Grandma, Santiago de Cuba,
Guantanamo and lost two nats. So I tell you, what
do you say about that called one hundred twenty winds.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, sister Gabrielos with us yesterday yesterday, right, Remember she
told us that's where most of the Afro Cubans lived
on that part of the island where the hurricane is
now pounding. But also that's where the naval base. And
I forgot to ask how we're Inmbargo and Cuba. We
have an Inbargo and Cuba, yet the US has the
navy base there, you know. So there was a threat

(02:59):
that the round of stup and sent us all to
Guantanamo Bay, but now they have to shut it down
because of the hurricane. So we'll see how fast they
rebuild if they need, you know, and they start using
Guantanamo Bay. But yeah, it's it's it's gonna be devastating.
And the sad thing is that they're carrying most folks
who don't really find out until daylight in Jamaica and
in Cuba, we'll see what to see what the damage is.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, looking at some of the video footage, man, it's
incredible on what's happened in the power of that hurricane.
Just destroying buildings, gas stations, highways, cars. It's it's something else, man,
And no question. Promvinces from Guantanamo in the far East,

(03:43):
almost in the center of elongated Cuba have been suspended
many of the activities going on, of course, and Jamaica
prepared to fan out to access their damage, like you
said later on today, So I'm prey with them.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
But here's the other part too, Kevin. After he finishes Cuba,
you got tech and cakers in its sites, and then
the Bahamas and then impossitively still on his strength, it's
aiming at permuter So all those islands are going to
have some severe challenges in the next few days. Wow,
I tell you.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
In other news, families could start losing access to Headstart
if the government shut down continues beginning November one, more
than sixty five thousand children will be at risk of
losing access to Headstart, the federal early learning program for
low income families. That's because federal funding for the individual

(04:45):
head Start programs cannot be dispersed while the government is
shut down. See there, man, it's just continuing ruining all
kinds of life.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
But when I hear stuff like that, I just want
to how many of them voted for Donald Trump and
still still feel the same way that they voted for
Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
But in this case, this is children though, Carl. Yeah,
the children are being affected, they don't.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Right, But how many of their parents voted for Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay, now, now I follow you. I see what you're saying,
you know, asking how many children. Of course it's just
Kyle though.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Man.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
They say the leaders of one hundred and thirty four
local head start programs, as well as another half dozen
who's funding lapsed last month October first, are now debating
how long they can go before closing their doors. How
long can they go? So they're gonna try, I guess,
and reach into their own pockets. And so you're saying
there may be some buyer's remorse for having voted.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Probably so because some people thought that's not what I
voted for. The ladies Pulsel that I think half of
the Hispanics now who voted for Donald Trump are upset
with Donald Trump so far is what they've seen. They say,
he hasn't delivered on his promises.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Man, maybe we should do a statistical analysis on that
find out, like you said, what the percentages actually are.
But meanwhile, nationally.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
But before you go on, many of those folks who
voted for Trump, they went in that booth Kevin and
they pushed the button for Trump. But then they didn't
say anything, and they're not going to say anything. They're
too embarrassed now that they're back to loser, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, they backed a loser.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Look.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Head Start serves roughly seven hundred and fifty thousand infants, toddlers,
and preschool age children, providing not just childcare and early learning,
but also free meals, health screenings, and family support. So
Headstart closures could hit Florida's migrant farm workers too.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
We were talking about the farms.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Daniel himI manages six head Start centers across three Florida
counties as part of the East Coast Lagrant Headstart Projects.
So you know, and this goes on and on. It
just shows the effect of that. Meanwhile, the President is
in the out of the country, still with with China,

(07:15):
meeting with President z.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, those many yeah there meeting with she. But they've
already agreed on the TikTok thing. But you know, Donald
Trump's gonna come out and say he solved the problem.
I solved another big problem. I think this is where
this uh, this government shutdown is heading too, because when
he gets back, okay, it's gone too far. Now Republicans
come to the table. They've got to figure out a
way how to make it that they won't lose face.

(07:43):
You know what I'm saying that the settlement has got
to be a way that they won. They've always got
to win, and they don't understand the word compromise. So
we'll see how this works out. But it's shaping up
whenever whenever it's over, and it will be over. Whenever
it's over. He's gonna claim credit for solving the problem.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Right right, Like you said, you once you create the problem,
then you twist the knife and make it worse, and
then you pull the knife out and say, hey, look
what I did. Is that you know what it's like,
tom thumb?

Speaker 4 (08:19):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Stuck as thumb and a pine? Anyway, I'm off track here. Look,
the White House is firing the entire Fine Arts board
in charge of reviewing construction projects, including the ballroom that
the President wants to set up, and the White House

(08:39):
fired all of the Commission of Fine Art members last night,
and all six members of the Commission through an email
sent in the White House Presidential Personnel Office. Some of
the commissioners removed were expected to review Trump's through one

(09:00):
hundred million dollar ballroom project and planned independence arch near
the Lincoln Memorial. According to The Washington Post, the one
hundred one hundred and fifteen year old agency, which typically
has seven members but had six as of the firings,
were made up of Hazel Ruth Edwards, Bruce Redmond Becker,

(09:24):
Lisa Dell Place, William Lenahan, Justin Moore, and Peter Cook.
And there we'll be and examined all those names. And
they were appointed by the Biden administration.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
That's probably what they're you know, worked into their firing
is as long as if you don't pledge allegiance to
the new person in their White House at your job,
your job is suspect.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Okay, I see, you know his whole strike back, you know,
with vengeance thing. I could see that because Biden appointed them,
he you know, he's doing that, and he also might
be avoiding a review of the ballroom following the steps
of former President Harry Truman, who added the balcony to

(10:10):
the White House after the commissions, then chairman said the
panel can only act in an advisory capacity with Harry Truman,
so he fired that person. And so Trump is kind
of following through on that. And a construction rather construction
on Trump's ballroom began last week when the one hundred

(10:31):
twenty three year old East Wing was demolished to make
way for the Guilded Spacious project. So and you know,
while people are out of work, that's what's happening. And finally, Carl,
two National guardsmen are speaking out against Trump, saying that
they would refuse deployment to Chicago.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, we'll see if any other law enforce officials were
you know, follow them, We'll see what that happens.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, the leader and mister Pelicheck said it's disheartening to
be forced to go against your community members and your neighbors.
And so they were asked even if they were forced
to do it, they said absolutely, I would definitely say no.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
So that's the way it is. On this twenty ninth
of October. Thanks for your time. Car Right, we've got
the first guest. Thanks for giving us up to date
on the news. This morning twelve after Tompay out let's
grow up to Baltimore, I meet brother Bill Good and
grand Rise and Bill will come back to the program.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
Yes, sir, Top of the morning, mister Nelson, and thank
you for this opportunity to be on your program. We
first call, I too, wants to just give my condolences
as well as my prayers for the people that's in
the path of the storm that's currently taking place. And
you know, I just want to totally uplift them and

(11:58):
send my prayers and as anybody else to pray for
the people that's in the path of the storm. I
just wanted to say that first.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
All right, yeah, and we can curb with what you
just said, Bill, because it's moving through right now. It's
pounding Cuba and then it's going to go offshore and
it may gather stands depending how f I goes to
the Turks and Caicos Islands and then with the Bahamas
and later it's anxiety said on Permuter. But hey, yeah,
it's Mother Nature.

Speaker 6 (12:28):
Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, look, there's nothing we
could do about that, but but pray, uh, you know,
we have some horrific times throughout the world. I was
just looking at the news where at least four hospitals
the roofs blew off in Jamaica. Uh So again I'm
just praying for the people. Uh but you know, like

(12:50):
you say, that's mother nature. It's nothing that we could
do about that, but.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Pray got it thirteen out the top that. But you've
got an event com up this weekend I want to
also talk about. But let's talk about the event black
Man Unifying Black Man.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
Well yeah, so again, thank you, mister Nelson. But you know,
first and foremost, we got our regular monthly breakfast coming
up Sarday, which this is our twelfth year monthly breakfast,
and that's gonna be at ten o'clock Saturday at New
World Ministries, nineteen thirty two Bell Road. But beyond that

(13:28):
this weekend called it's gonna be some people in town,
some people that you're very familiar with. Zu Keeper Rudy
is going to be in town with doctor Coffee, right
and doctor Coffee Wrighting is activist in Saint Louis who's
actually she's in the process of building a park on

(13:49):
a piece of her property called the Colored Troops Soldier
Buffalo Park, Thirteenth Amendment Park. So they'd be in town.
So you know, we're putting together a meeting Greek reception
for Zaki and the people that's coming on or with him.
So people that don't know Zaki and don't know Coffee

(14:10):
will have an opportunity to meet them and here's some
of the work that they're doing, and try to be
supportive of them and them and Zaki and them supportive
of the people here. So we were happy to be
a part of putting that together. This this this common
Saritay at the Piste Theater, which is at nine twenty
one Writs Town Road. And as you know, brother Michael Johnson,

(14:33):
one of the founding members of Black Men Unifying Black Man,
opened that data about four months ago. So we're constantly
trying to push that data and ask people to support that.
And so everybody is welcome to come this Sarday at
seven pm at the Price Theater to meet Zach, Kiperrudy
and Doctor Coffee right as.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Who yeah, who, I thought, Billy, I think first breaking
you expound on that when you get back. And I
always tell folks whenever our scholars are in town, make
sure you get a chance to go out and see them.
So Bill will give out more information about the key
and assist doctor Coffee Wright as well visiting Baltimore and
how you can get a chance to see them and
in person and probably ask them some questions that you

(15:17):
you know, didn't get a chance to ask when they
were on the radio. So Bill will give us all
that information. Also talk about his book, because I think
his book is very upper prob of what's going on
these days. Sixteen after the top day our families. Unless
you've got a step aside for a few moments and
you want to join our conversation with Bill Gooden from Baltimore,
reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy six. We'll take your phone calls next

(15:38):
and Grand Rising family, and thanks for waking up with
us on this Wednesday morning, another hump day. We're halfway
through the work work with Bill Gooden from Baltimore and
Grand Rising Again. Bill, I'll let you finish your thought
and also, you know, give us some information about your
book and also talk about this meeting black man unifying
black men.

Speaker 6 (15:57):
Yes, I call it again again, Thank you Bud, and
like to say this weekend people will have an opportunity
to meet Zaoqui Coffee as one of a couple other
people that's coming to Barchmore with Zach King. You know,
normally this this sarity would be well, we do our
annual black Man's Awards program, but we pushed it back

(16:19):
into January because we are kind of combine that with
Martin Luther King. So I just want everybody to know
that we do have information in reference to our black
Man Honors Awards program coming up January seventeenth with doctor
Tyrone Power would be our keynote speaker this year, So

(16:40):
we could talk about that at a later time, but
I just wanted to mention that if it was okay
call so you know, in reference to the book America's
on Fire and Crumblin then it's a book that wrote
a few years ago called and basically it's because I
guess you know my heart, you know, I've always been

(17:02):
an activist, and you know, you know how sometimes we
tell our children that you keep going down this path.

Speaker 7 (17:08):
That you know you're.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
Gonna end up getting killed, you're gonna go to prison,
or something bad going to happen to you. But we
don't say that to a country that we see doing
the same thing. And America man going down the wrong
path for a long time, right so you know what's
happening now with Donald Trump and in office, that they
just hit the speed button because Donald Trump is deliberately

(17:33):
him and his group of people is deliberately sitting in
America on fire because they need to do certain things
in terms of trying to create a dictatorship within his
head country. And I know on several different occasions, Man,
you talk and I say, for myself, Carl, you know,
I can't see us getting out this situation unless it's

(17:55):
some sort of civil war in his head country. Because
at this point, then you know, their excuses that the
Democrats don't have enough people in in the Senate or
in Congress, that they don't have enough votes to stop
certain things. Well, that's not what they have always taught us.
In reference to the Constitution. It was always that in

(18:17):
regardless who's in office, is no person or no party
that's above the law and the constitutions supreme all the land.
But yet we're sitting here witnessing Donald Trump and his
administration breaking all the rules and ignoring the Constitution and
got the Supreme Court in the palm of his hand.
So you know, if this is what we're at, then

(18:40):
what other alternative is it far may of the bud
du Crump went to Barn called.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, I hear your assessment of twenty two at the
top of the are bill. So what do we And
I answer this question all the time because I think
we're we're looking for someone who could give us some
sort of direction. So I'm opposed to you. So what
do we do? As you say, the country crumbling? It's
going down the tubes? So what's our moveing? Do we
sit by and watch, do we help or do we laugh?
Or do we try to help save a democracy or

(19:09):
save the constitution? Or do we run, cut and run,
which some people.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
Have Well, you know, for me, Carl, I'll say, you know,
first we have to we have to stay here and
we have we have to be prepared to find the
best that we can to save whatever sumblers of democracy
that we say that we have right, you know, because
you know, first of all, we're talking about cutting the run.
And then then let's face the fact call you know,

(19:33):
it's just like a tornado hurricane coming. I mean, we
have a lot of people that can't get from one
city to another city. So asking people to get up
and go to another country is totally uh, not real
for a whole bunch of people. And you know, we can't.
We can't on one half brag and say that we
build America, but then we're gonna just voluntary turn it

(19:56):
over to a group of white folks that just don't
make sense to me. So I think that what we
have to do is that, just like you doing, we
have to continue sounding the law for one.

Speaker 7 (20:09):
You know.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
For two, we have to encourage our people to just
stop go up on everything they can warn us food weapons,
you know, and we have to organize with people that
think the way that we think in terms of trying
to bring them into the folds. And as you know,
we have to organize because we need to prepare ourselves

(20:29):
because you know, maybe we're not clear on exactly what's coming,
but we know something is coming. So we can't just
sit back and act like it's not coming now. So
when we say solutions, then the only solution is to
prepare ourselves the best that we can to be prepared
to fight, because you know, we can't stay well, we're

(20:49):
gonna surprender and then six months from now, then people
like yourself, people that call in on this radio station,
then they just shut this state down. They don't stop
people from using their social media to speak ill against
the government, and a whole bunch of us find ourselves
in detention camp because we didn't believe it was coming.

(21:12):
So we're in detention camps now because it's nothing else
that we could do.

Speaker 7 (21:16):
So I think that we.

Speaker 6 (21:17):
Have to continue to warn our people, and we have
to say we had to prepare ourselves the best that
we can to get ready to find against this government.
There's whereger war against the citizenship of this here country
that don't agree with the direction that it's going. I mean,
I just don't see no all the way out.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
All right, let me ask you this a twenty five
hours the tough air bill title of your book, America
is on Fire and crumbling. At what point did you
figure out that? In your words now tell us that
America was on fire. And it's because you wrote this
book before Donald Trump's second term. So at what point
did you come to you say that, oh, wow, the countries.
If something's happening in the countries, it's not cool, So

(21:57):
I'm gonna put it on paper. At what point do
you did you recognize that was it a one particular
event or is it just it wasn't no.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
One particular event called Like I say, look, I've been
active since I've been eighteen and I'm seventy three at
this hit point, you know. So you know, I guess
those of us that's active, for those of us that
paid attention, we have seen a whole lot of things happen.
You know, doctor King getting killed, malcolm 's is getting killed,
you know, Maclumat's making a statement of when Candy got killed.

(22:28):
You know, the chickens finally coming home to roost.

Speaker 7 (22:31):
You know.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
So I think that as we just witnessed the events
and the you know, the struggles that black people had,
and the different things that was that's going on in
this country, and you know, it was obvious that at
some point that this here country couldn't just keep on
a path in terms of being greedy, being racist, a

(22:52):
locking people out from having opportunities, and think that that
that's nothing going to happen. So, you know, for me
and I guess I wrote this book. I thinks back
in two thousand and I'm gonna say two thousand and five,
you know, so, you know, lots of times we want

(23:12):
to say we inspired by the creator, and I just
give that claim to myself. I was certainly inspired by
the creator and when I wrote the book. But you know,
everything in the book is coming to pass. In fact,
you know, I have a smart chapter in a book
called One to the Politicians, And on the last page
that chapter calls it says that you know, when America burned,

(23:36):
the crumbles, the politicians will have no one to blame
but the self. They can't blame the youth, they can't
blame black folks. They had to blame themselves for what
they didn't do. And all that's coming truths. You know
what I'm saying. This is not on the people calling me.
This is on the people that we have elected to
lead us and to protect us and to make sure

(23:58):
that what the constitution playing the week again, then we
we his obligators to getting them things. So it's the
leadership of this country that has letting us down and
everything has happened. Then I'm putting the blame of those
in the leadership and other people.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
All right, twenty and a half the top of that,
what about black leadership? Are we still waiting for a leader?
It seems like there's a vacuum of leadership Jesse's has
some health challenges. Jesse Jackson, Reverend Jesse Jackson, hope it
gets better. So he was recognized as as our as
black people say, I share this review bill. We're in
South Africa on the way to when Mandela was released

(24:38):
in one of the one of the reporters asked if
Jesse was our president. They figured they had Jesse was
the president of Black America. He faced it because then
they wanted Mandela to become the president of South Africa.
Black South Africa who were trying to negotiate that, and
then Mandela, of course one would be president of all
of South Africa. But they in their view that Jesse

(24:59):
was our president. Now, as I mentioned, it's got some
health challenges, so sidelined a bit. Do we have anybody
who's picked up the space, who has the metal is
recognized if the people overseas will say he's leaving the
black people in America, do we have anyone there? No.

Speaker 6 (25:14):
I don't think that we have a particular person or
two or three people that we could just put our
fingers on and say that you know, this person is
now in the Lewis Fary conn this is Jesse Jackson.
You know, I just think, Carl, you know again, when
we're talking about the hurricane, it just took took place
in Jamaica, right, you know. And it's a funny thing

(25:35):
in terms of leadership because sometimes you know, people look
for leaderships that it's either got a symbol of what
we recognize a power or lots of money. But you know,
when a hurricane happens and people is dying and people
need help, you know who the leadership is, whoever come
and save you. So you know, when it's head country,

(25:56):
structure fall and crumble and it's on fire and people
is fighting in the streets, then the leadership is gonna
be the people that that's coming to your rescue, that
that's ready to sit there with you and fight with you.
You know what I'm saying. So I think that we're
looking for a whole new level of leadership and it's
their country. You know, we're moving away from the old

(26:16):
leadership that we once knew that America has recognized as
our leaders and so they get you know, so we
have a few leaders that we could look because we
have a whole bunch of leaders out there. Call you're
a leader. You may not you may not say you're
a leader, you know what I'm saying. But you a
leader in terms of all the people that you touching
every day and having an opportunity to teach and learn

(26:38):
from it. As you said when you say, you're still learning.
So that's what leadership do you know what I mean?
We teach and we learn, right, So you know we're
not teaching our people about the things that's coming or
how to try to prepare ourselves for the things that's coming,
then what are we doing? You know what I'm saying.
So you know the Frederick Douglas, the Harry Tubman's and
all them people, then you know then that depth and

(27:00):
their struggles is not in vain because we're still here
today without them people that came before us, Carl, what
we be where we are today? I would say no,
we would not.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
So we have to.

Speaker 6 (27:13):
Continue in the same vein that they fought in to say, Look,
we're not gonna just sit here and why do our
people die and be quite back into slavery. We're gonna
fight and as long as this world exists, then we
want to exist and we're gonna be a part of it.
So you know, the leadership is the people that's gonna
step up.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
As I see it, Well, let's just be a twenty
nine away from the top of that. Do we need
do we need to have a black agenda? Should Should
we have another meeting like that? And I keep asking
folks like this and they say it's not necessary to
have a meeting with not a meal, a man maunch meeting.
But that meeting back in Gary, I think it was
in seventy two? Do we need to and with that
come out with a black agenda? These are the things

(27:54):
we want, these are the things we're gonna do, and
this is how we're gonna achieve it. Do you think
we need to set up another meeting like that?

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Boy, I definitely do think we need a black agenda call.

Speaker 8 (28:03):
And you know, and I think that the people is
willing to participate in their need to just to be
pull them together because we always need to have demands,
right and you know, and I think that with the
black agenda, you know, let me just push back for
one minute calls because I remember about.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
Twenty years ago I was trying to run a campaign
and we're just simply saying that, you know, at the minimum,
at the very minimum, call, we should not spend our
money in what we don't work. Now, to me, that
made all the sense in the world, right, you know,
so when we talk about all the businesses and all
these checking places and little confectionaires and feelingsations that pop

(28:42):
up in our community that other people and other races
is operating. But you know, they getting one hundred percent
of Black dollars. But we don't even have a person
in that work And I don't care. I ain't number
three people in that store. One of them people should
be us because all the money that they get on
from the black community. So I'm saying, it's a lot
of stuffle things that we could do, right.

Speaker 9 (29:04):
But you know, but our people have.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
To be in agreement that you know, if this is
the black agenda, then do I support this? Why do
I support this? Yes, it makes sense that we don't
spend our money, well, we don't worry. Yes, it makes
sense that we have a certain percentage of political representatives
based upon our numbers, as our kids always saying, right,
but we have to be able to put that Black

(29:29):
plan into the households of black people and make sure
and encourage them to look at the plan, because we
need to have enough of us support in the plan
that the plan could be effected. So I certainly support
what you suggested.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
All right, twenty seven away from the top of our family,
just waking up. I guess it's Bill Goodness, an activist
and an author out of Baltimore City, and it's discussing
what his new book or his book has been out
for some time. America is Burent on fire.

Speaker 6 (29:59):
And Marthon's on Brian Crumblin'.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
That's the tide of the book. And he made this
acception and way before Donald Trump took the office. He
says he saw the declinent. At what point did you
see you jumped up on this book with? Because I
think I asked you this before. What was it that
you saw that you said, I've got to write the
boot I got to warn my people that something's happening.
I see the country going south. At what point did

(30:23):
that happen? And when did you come to that conclusion?

Speaker 6 (30:26):
Bill? Well, you know, Carl like said, I'm seventy three,
I've been active since I've been eighteen. But I think
that you know everything you witness. I mean, you know,
even when you had this massivecarceration of black people going
to jail, even selling weed, they even having weed, right,

(30:46):
And you know, so you're looking at the prison industry
and you recognizing that, you know, all these brothers and
stuff that's getting jammed up in the system. Then you know,
these big corporations is able to use that labor and
they getting two or three dollars a day to work.
But then after they released, they came and go and
get a job doing the same things that they had

(31:08):
been doing what they in prison. Right, So, you know,
just sitting back and watching all the brothers and stuff
get jimmed up, and you know, Car, you know, look
for forty years, Car, I pushed the issue. I started
pushing the issue in Saint Louis before I came to Baltimore.
When I came to Baltimore, we fought, and before we fought,
said that, you know, drugs and weapons confiscated by the

(31:32):
police department. We used to have a citizens group to
witness the destruction all them drugs and weapons. Why call,
because it's a billion dollar industry, why would we have
to accept that the police say, all these drugs and
weapons that we confiscate, we destroyed cars. I mean, why
would we believe that, we know, we know that the
corruption of the police departments, and then it's the system,

(31:55):
you know what I'm saying. But again, you know, the
same people that bring guns and drugs into our community,
then them the same people we look for to eradicate
them drugs and weapons from our communities. It don't make
sense to me, right, So I'm saying, so when you're
just looking at that, when you go to courts and
you know, of course now we're in a position we

(32:15):
have a few black judges and etc. But when you
go to court and basically all the judges is white,
you know, all the politicians is white, then you know
what hope is it for you as black people, never
seeing yourself in the positions of real power and being
able to make sagnificent change for your people. So you know,

(32:39):
I mean, I just couldn't see no other way for
a long time except to see that this is system
here have to be dismounted in order to for it
to have a reverse It's like rebooting our computer. You
know what I'm saying, This system needed to be rebooted.
Now our Trump him is rebooting it, but they're not

(33:03):
purposely rebooting it for us. But in the end, it
may be a benefit to us if we come out
of this thing the right way.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
All right? I too hold up thought right there, and
I let to expound it. How is the Donald Trump's
ring gonna benefit us? A let to explain that when
we get back, But we gotta check the news, trafficking, weather,
our different cities. It's twenty three minutes away from the
Tom pay Our family. I guess it's Bill Goodney's an
activist and an author out of Baltimore City. If he'd
like to speak to it and reach out to us
at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six,

(33:33):
and we'll take your phone calls after the news. That's
next and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with
us on this Wednesday morning, sixteen minutes away from the
tomp Pay with our guest, the Bill Gooden. Bill's an
author and also an activist out of Baltimore City. Before
we go back to Bill, let me just remind you
later this morning you're gonna hear from a licensed medical
health counselor. That would be doctor Jason Anthony Pendergrass. You
gonna talk about the myth about black men not supporting

(33:54):
their children. Also before doctor Jason, though math grew at kill.
Parker will join us the following well, actually before Achille,
we're gonna look at the mayor race through the eyes
of media analysts Wayne Gillen and Reggie Thomas and tomorrow
futuristic researcher bro the City McCarry will be here. So
let's go back to Bill in Baltimore. So, Bill, you

(34:15):
had an epiphanic, that's why he wrote this book way
before this. What's going on now? So I'll let you.

Speaker 6 (34:19):
Finish your thought, Yes, sir, yes, sir. So you know,
let me be clear, Carl, when I say that you
know Donald Trump number is hit the speed button and
sitting the country on fire, and that you know the
dismatning other country may help us, I'm not saying that
Donald Trump knew what they're doing is purposely to help us.

(34:40):
When I'm something saying is that this country going to
a civil war, then it's not no race war. So
you're gonna have white folks out there fighting the government,
just like you're gonna have black people fighting the government.
If the people is victorious and over turning this government
and it's a reboot and we on the ground on
level or rebuilding this country, then we can have more

(35:04):
leverage and more power and moving forward is that we
have now. So I want to be clear that Donald
Trump is doing nothing with the intention of helping us.
But I'm saying in the end, basically how it turned out,
it may be a benefit.

Speaker 10 (35:20):
For us and benefit how how so well it benefits.

Speaker 6 (35:26):
Like I say, you know, if this particular government is
overthrow and this country is dismounted, then we're being from
the ground floor in terms of rebuilding this country, right,
just like if the constitution is no longer avoiding, new
constitution had to be put forth and new government had

(35:46):
to be put forth, then I'm saying that you know,
we're not slaves at this head of time or were
waiting to get free. Then we free people of fighting
and shaping this head government as it comes to its
new So I'm something saying that you know, being in
on the ground floor is a lot better than being
in the basement where you don't have no leverage or

(36:10):
when it starts. So you know, I again, I just
think that you know, our best opportunity is to see
this head country fall and crumbled so that it could
have a reboot, so that we could actually have some
leverage in this head country and we could reshape our
communities as we go for it, you know what I mean,

(36:31):
Just like you know, you have black people with black
people talking about Black Wall Street when black people talme out.
You know, seventy years ago when I was growing up,
then we all lived in the same community that we
walked to school, and we knew each other and we
own the little confection as now in our community. Then
what I'm saying, Card, we're gonna ever get back to that.
How can we get back to it and let this

(36:53):
government and let this system crumple, Because if the system
don't crumble, then how do we see our self the
best and going forward with everything that's taking place right now?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Right at thirteen Away from the topic, I hear what
you're saying, Bill, but we still haven't formulated any plans.
So we talked about a Black agenda. We talk about
you know, reparations is always one of the top issues
that our people want to discuss and we need or
we deserve reparations, that's not the question is how do
we go about achieving reparations? And this is part of

(37:25):
the Black agenda that we talk about but I haven't
seen maybe you two have seen some people who who
are constructing a black agenda, putting forth this is this
is what we need, or sort of writing a manifesto
for Black America. Is there any one person out there,
any any institution, any colleges, or or any group that's
doing that that you know of, Well.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
I don't know of no particular group that's basically putting
a black agenda together. Call But you know, listen, I'm
sure and you know, I'm sure you got black people
out there. You got scholars out there that's working on stuff,
trying to develop a black agenda. I'm sure you know.

Speaker 9 (38:04):
But I'm saying that, you.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
Know, in terms in terms of going for a car,
then we never gonna be on the same page. That's why,
you know, I mean even in the military, you know
what I mean. Basically, you know, you try to get
young folks, and why do you get young people because
them the ones who's gonna go out there and fight, right,
So you know, we have to look at different levels,
and everything that's gonna happen in reference to black people

(38:27):
is not gonna happen at the same time and on
the same level. So those of us. That's you know,
the scholars and the people that because because the za
Keys and the uh some of the other guests you
have that wants to sit and put the Black agenda
together and the people is helpful, but then you're gonna
have the other people that they're gonna have to be

(38:47):
out there on the streets and they have to They're
gonna have to take it to another level. So you know,
we may get on the radar and say, well, what
is our plan, and nobody may baby lay out the plane? Right.
You know when when when when Donald Trump was running,
people talking about the twenty twenty five agenda, Well they
had their plan. When Donald Trump ran again, their plan

(39:07):
was already in place. So I'm like you, I'm hopeful
that it's a group of somebody putting a plan together
for us that you know, this is could be our
blueprintch our political leadership, or how our communities is gonna look.
But at the same time, call I think that you know,

(39:28):
I can't sit back. I'm not putting a plan together
because I'm not that knowledgeable in certain in terms of
certain things. Right, So I'm gonna do what I can
on my level, right, And so you know, I think
it's important for everybody to say where do I fit in,
to be a part of what's happening, to make sure
that I protect the future. Because that's seventy three years old. Call.

(39:53):
It's not about me. I didn't live most of my life,
but it's unborn babies that yet to come. So you
know what, whatever I do today and have to be
a reflection on how they live tomorrow. Right, So that's
why I'm at call.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Well, let me tend away from the topic. Let me
ask you this bill because it is about the future.
It is about our children and basically our grandchildren. But
the way the system is set up now with all
let's look at the legal system. All the judges or
most of the judges that Donald Trump appointed are very young.
They young people. They're gonna be there for a while,
as you know, just referencing the Supreme Court. How can

(40:33):
you make these changes when the bottom line, the last
word on authority is going to be the Supreme Court
and they're going to ruber stamp everything that not just
Donald Trump but people who follow him because he's not
going to be here forever, but he's what he's put
it built in a system that's going to last for
a long time. So what do we do? How do
we teach how young peop because they've already figured out

(40:54):
they probably have contingency plans. If if the whites do this,
if the blacks do this, the pope will do this.
If one that does this, or this person does this,
they probably have contingency plans already in place to negate
any progress those people or groups of people try to make.
So how do we get around that? That's my question?

Speaker 6 (41:11):
No, what you you're totally right, because you know, you
got the j vancers, you got the people like Charlie
Kirks and all them people that's coming behind down Trump.
So it's a lot bringing down Trump. But that's why
I'm saying that that again called I keep I keep
going back to the whole thing that this country have
to have a civil war because you got lots of
white people in this head country. They look they not

(41:33):
wanting to just sit back and let Donald Trump now
take take that power away from them or take resources
away from them. So you got lots of white folks
in this country that's gonna have to find against this
head government saying well, we're gonna have to find against
this government. If the people's victorious, then the judges and
all them people that you're talking about that is in

(41:54):
power now will no longer be in power because the
system would be over through and a new rule will
come in. So you know, I'm clear in terms of
how I see the future have to have to be right.
So when we talk about how do we how do
we remove these hit people, we not removing them because
we're gonna say, well, we're gonna just wait for the

(42:15):
normal process, you know when when many terms come, let's
get out there and vote and let's get some more
Democrats in the office. And once that happens, No, no,
cause that's not what we need. We need to have
a real civil war. And this say, a country that's
gonna overthrow this hit government where another government could come
to existence, and you know again it's this country had

(42:37):
to be be be rebuilt and reshaped, and all these
hit people that you're talking about that's in office now,
then they're not gonna be a factor in terms of
if we successful and overthrowing this government.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Well me saving the way from the top of that family.
Just checking in Bill Goun's guests and author and also
an activists in Baltimore City Bill artificial intelligence? Is there
anything that we can use to help em better ourselves
using artificial intelligence? Because part of the problem AI just
you know, just folks. We're in the digital age, so
a lot of people are losing their jobs and they're

(43:11):
probably canning frustrated trying to find another jobs because another job,
because that's that's what's going on right now, because many
of them are being replaced by artificial intelligence. Is there
any way do you think that we can use artificial
intelligence AI to help our communities specifically?

Speaker 6 (43:27):
Well, you know, I'm not a technical person called and
I've always argued that people go on my pages and
my Facebook pages and stroll down lega see why I've
wrote written about that and said different things. I mean, listen,
and in the end, I don't think that technology is
going to help us. I think technology is basically to

(43:47):
help to depopulate the earth because those are presently a
leadership of the Earth, then they're not going to need
as many people to do all these jobs and stuff.
I think people have to recognize is that you know,
it's technology for our benefit or is it a detriment?

(44:08):
So yes, I appreciate having an app on my phone
that when I'm trying to find directions, I could click
on and get directions. But in the end, then all
this technology stuff is more harmful to us than beneficial
to us. Now, you know, those of us that understand
that we have to find ways that we could use
it that can help us, But I don't think that

(44:30):
we should be putting our hopes in terms of technology
as being the saving force to us. You know, I
just think the saving force to us again, call its
just stuff. And I know lots of people don't like
to talk about it for lots of different reasons, and
people geared to talk about it, But hey, this country
have to have a civil war and real revolution because
this particular government has to be overthhoned so that we

(44:53):
could start over again.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Well find a way for that time. At what point, though, Bill,
do you think people are recognized that they've lost a
lot of their rights and recognized that the Constitution doesn't
guarante is not you know, I guess uh, the Constitution
is not going to help us because Donald Trump is
just basically shredded the constitution. He does whatever he wants.
At what point do you think people you say a

(45:16):
civil war. Many black people have been suffering for us,
so they figured most of our folks have figured it out.
It's going south for us, but so many And we've
got a few black folks who agree with what Donald
Trump is doing, but most of them on the other side,
as Nearly Fuller tells us, they stay on code. So
they'll support Donald Trump even if he cuts their foods down,
even if it goes it does things that are against

(45:39):
their best interest. So you said, we're going to have
a penning civil war. So when do those folks who
are still behind Donald Trump they when are they going
to wake up? When are they going to get woke?
And I'll tell you, I hold your response for a
moment here because it's four minutes away from the top.
They got to take the traffic and weather or not
different cities. I'll let you respond to that when we
get back. Family, you two can join our conversation with
Bill Goodny's and activists and author from Baltimore. He says

(46:02):
the country should head for his heading for a civil war.
And my question to him is at what point the
old people who supported Donald Trump going to recognize and
wake up to what Bill is saying? What are your thoughts?
Eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight to seventy
six gets you in. We'll take your phone calls after
the trafficing weather that's next, and Grand Rising family, thanks
for waking up with us on this Wednesday morning and

(46:22):
the last home day of October twenty twenty five. I
guess there's Bill Goodney's an activist and author from Baltimore
City and telling us about the upcoming Black Man Unifying
Black Men meeting that's going to take place Bill, David Jounder,
David Murphy. But I'll let you finish your thoughts. Then
we'll speak with David Murphy. And we got Reggie and

(46:44):
Wayne on deck to talk about what's going on in
New York City. But I'll you finish your thought ession
and let's talk to David.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
Oh okay, well me let me respond to what you
was asking. You were saying, at what point that some
of the white folks is going to jump off that
side and come over to the other side and be
ready to go to war. Basically, I guess that what
you were saying, right. But you know, cause listen, you

(47:10):
know you one of the people that certainly could give
a very good perspective in terms of the power of
the media. The media is there to persuade people in
all to how people think. So when we look at
at mainstream media, we're not saying all them white folks
with the No Kings marches and all the millions of

(47:31):
white folks is out there, and lots of them people
was with Donald Trump. So I don't think that lots
of them not turning against Donald Trump. Just like you
got military personnel stepping down and saying, no, man, we're
going to I can't go along with this. So we
got more white folks out there ready to do battle,
then we may think that we have because mainstream media

(47:54):
is not reporting that. So people that's depending on mainstream media.
It's not saying what's happening. So I mean, you know,
and again you know, it's like when the first shot
is fire call, I think that's when the action is
gonna start. When I say the first shot, I'm saying that,
you know, sometimes when things happen, then we can't give

(48:15):
a date in a town when it's gonna happen. It's
a situation that we're just making happen. And I'm just
saying that we're getting close to that situation. So when
you hear the governors and you're hearing the mayor's talk
about uh not having that police uh in their cities
to uh operate with irons and the agents that Donald

(48:37):
Trump is is sending in, then the government is fighting
against itself right now at a level that you know,
I have ever witnessed before in our lifetime.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Call.

Speaker 9 (48:47):
So I'm just say.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, because we've gotta, we gotta. We're gonna talk about
the media coming up with Reggie, Thomas and Wayne and
give them. But first let me get go to David.
David Murphy is calling one speaker with you. Grand Rising, David,
just Grand Rising, call, how you've been. I'm still learning, David,
I'm still learning.

Speaker 11 (49:10):
Yes, sir Bill, how you doing?

Speaker 5 (49:11):
My brothers?

Speaker 6 (49:13):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (49:15):
I just wanted to comment on on the conversation with
two gentlemen I have and about this technology the fall
of the government. And you know, just as a reminder,
you know, this won't be the first time a dynasty
has failed. You know, the share your end, the roaming empires,
you know, happened before it can happen again. And the

(49:36):
way these dynasty falls is like Bill saying it's all ways.
It starts from knock from outside, it's from but then
that's when dynasty, you know, get checked out. But at
the same time, you know, with this technology see called
if you know, if people really check our history, because
like I say, Bill, miss media, they don't tell our
true story. See we are black mother Native people are

(49:58):
on the cutting edge your technology were no one pretty
much created to sell phones, the computers and everything else.
They just don't give us credit for it. And so
this technology, you know, if we are use it for
our benefit, you know, it can do wonders for us.
Because sometimes you have to take a platebook out off
off of what other people are doing to gets you

(50:21):
and use it for you. And uh and technology, I
use it all the time, and it's a powerful tool.
If you use correctly, it can benefit a lot of people.
But you know, again change takes placemen.

Speaker 7 (50:32):
You change.

Speaker 11 (50:32):
You got to change with the time then and yesterday
yesterday and today is today, and people have to get
on board. And that's what we have to start keeping
our young people. You know, look at this is what's
going on today, not what we did yesterday. And so
with that being said, you know, Bill I just want
to commend you as well as you call because you
you are soldiers and see that's what I see. I

(50:55):
see people like yourself that's changed, willing to take a stand,
and that's what you did on then, and you've got
a whole host buffers out there will under staying with you.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Thank you, kall, all right, thank you, thank you. David
the real quick right.

Speaker 6 (51:10):
Well, real quickly listen, David. I love David, and I
always tell David David is the only brother that I
know that could publish the newspaper by itself have been
published many years because he recognized the power of the
media and that we have to have a voice. I
just want to say thank you David for everything that
you do.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Yeah, okay, before I let you go, tell us what's
going to happen this weekend?

Speaker 6 (51:33):
Bill Well again called this coming says Saturday morning at
nineteen thirty two Bella Road.

Speaker 7 (51:41):
We have our.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
Regular monthly Brothers November first again, that's nineteen thirty two
Bell Road, the Powerhouse Ministries and our Brothers is normally
from ten to twelve and this is just for black males,
so all black mails is invited. Then Saturday evening at
seven o'clock. We're gonna be at the Pipe Theater which
is at nine twenty one Writers Town Road, and we'll

(52:05):
be hosting a reception for Zaki and Doctor Coffee, right
who's coming from Saint Louis, where people can have an
opportunity to listen to Doctor Coffee, to listen to Zakqui Perudi,
they have an opportunity to ask questions. It's no costs,
of course, you know, we will take donations, and the

(52:27):
donations is basically because I believe in terms that we
have to always be willing to give a guess an offering,
just like when we go to church and we give
an offering, right, So you know, I think it's important
that we give an offering to activists and people that's
out there fighting for us. So I'm encouraging people to
please come to listen to Zaki as well as to
meet Zaki and Coffee, because a lots of us have

(52:50):
heard Zaki on your radio program, but lots of us
don't know Zaki. I'm saying, I've been knowing this brother
for over forty years and this is one of the
most considered some brothers that that I know that's been
out there on the front line on many, many minute levels,
and have taught me a lot of stuff in terms
of my political views. I mean, me and him may

(53:12):
not agree exactly on everything, but he has certainly been
a mentor to me. So I want to give people
an opportunity to meet this great man.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
All right, Thank you, Bill, thank you, and thank you
for what you do in Baltimore, and thank you for
putting the book again.

Speaker 10 (53:27):
The book still available, yes, sir, Yes, sir.

Speaker 13 (53:30):
People could just go to my Facebook page and either
people could call me directly at four one zero seven
four CITs three sits oh seven and uh they could
pick a copy up from me, or I can send
him a copy, yes, sir, title.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Book By the way, Family is America and Crumblin. And
thanks Bill, Thanks for sharing your thoughts for us this morning.

Speaker 6 (53:54):
No, thank you.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Eight minutes after Tompa out and joined by now to
media analysts from the York City, we were talking about
Reggie Thomas, Grand Rising, Reggie right a right, we're good.
And Wayne Gilmer is also with us, Grand rise.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
In Wayne, Yeah, Grand Rising, Carl, how you doing.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
We're still learning, brothers. So let me let's let's talk
about the race in your city. That's what the there's
probably the biggest race they're going to be watching next
week when on election Day early voting has started. And
what are your thoughts, What's what's the what's the feeling
first about the race in New York City? Is it changed?
Because I understand that a lot of people have already

(54:34):
been to the polls. Let start, Reggie, what what Reggie?
What are you hearing on the ground?

Speaker 7 (54:40):
What I'm hearing on the ground is that there's a
lot of money from the billionaires in the New York
metro who are throwing their money behind Cuomo, millions and
millions of dollars, including people like like Bloomberg and and

(55:00):
uh and and you know Bloomberg, Uh, you know it.
I was kind of a little surprised to hear that,
But then and then again I said, I maybe not.
You know, Mom, Donnie is bringing a whole different ballgame
to the UH to the city. And and I think

(55:22):
people are scared. I think people are scared. I think
the very wealthy are scared. One of the things that
you got to note about New York more than a
lot of other cities is that it's a huge, huge,
melting pot of uh, just this incredibly diverse culture. And
and this is kind of one of the reasons why

(55:44):
we're going through in this country right now with the
Heritage Foundation, the fact that the electorate has changed so
dramatically that the very very wealthy are very concerned about
the fact that their agendas will not matter. And that's
what they're fighting in New York. They don't want the

(56:07):
diverse electorate to change the desires and wants of the
very very wealthy in New York metro area.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
All right, let them out the top of that way.
And I'm going to ask you because I know you
grew up in Brooklyn, and they said most of the
voters who have cast their ballots are from King's County.
All Brooklyn Knights have voted. Is there any the way
you can read into those tea leaves sin many of
the voters in Brooklyn lead the people who are going
to the polls who may have been at an advantage.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Now, well, it's going to be interesting to see what's
going on because basically the polls are they're saying that
there are a lot of older voters casting ballots compared
to what happened during the primary. The primary contests. A
lot of people, particularly I would say, to the New

(57:00):
York area, depending upon what the race is and the candidates,
a lot of them don't show up for a primary.
But now they've gotten a good look at Zaram and Danny,
and whether you like him or not, he presents well,
he projects well. He's a member of the state legislature
at the moment, he hasn't had citywide experience. He talks

(57:24):
about issues that a lot of people are not entirely
comfortable with, like what Reggie just mentioned him over ago,
especially the Old Guard and quite frankly, a couple of
weeks before the primary back in June, that race was
really for Andrew Clomo to lose. But Cuomo, I mean,

(57:45):
and this is just my perception. I think there's a
feeling that, you know, I'm an established stack. I come,
the Cuomo family name has been around for a while
here in New York, and I think there was an arrogance.
Did that he felt that I got this contest. It
wasn't until a week before Mondani was just out in

(58:08):
the street campaigning. He's still doing that. He's showing up
in all the right places, and then you have the
controversy you have the controversy with what Andrew Cuomo went
through having to resign from office and disgrace, and even
though he's been clear to a certain extent, that does
not necessarily resonate with all New Yorkers. But when you

(58:30):
look at the experience he's had compared to when you
juxtapose it to Mandemi, he doesn't really I mean, depending
upon the older voters, I think that Mandemi is like
Infra Route awakening and the late lately, in the last
week or so their polls that is showing that Cuomo's

(58:52):
inching up. I don't know if he could take it
by Tuesday. Certainly, there are a lot of people out
there concerned because Danny has said some things that are
now you know, coming up about his past, particularly as
it pertains to the war in the Middle East. You know,
he has not condemned Hamas, he has not walked back

(59:13):
his comments about global and defather and all those issues
are going to be an issue in a ballot box.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Wow, thank you for that. And now he's fourteen half
the top there. Reggie Reggie Wayne mentioned that most of
the voters who cast their ballot so far in the
in the election are older voters. How do you see that?
Do you see the older people going for Let me
just tell the family what's the stake he is? Soa
Mandani is running on the Democratic ticket. He says he's
a Democratic Socialist and we talked about that a few

(59:43):
days ago. What that is? Also, Curtie Sleeer is representing
the Republicans, he's on the GOP side. And also we
have a former governor, Andrew Cromo who's running as an independent,
and current mayor who dropped out of the race and
supporting Cuomo, Eric Addam. So all these dynamics and are
taking place, and people are watching this race all across

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the country because the Democrats are having a hard time
finding their footing and that some say this is the
way they should go do. What what mndamie's doing, you
know some of the things that he has in his platform,
I should use that nationwide. But Reggie, my question to you,
does that show with it what Wayne just said the
older voters are older? Does that mean that these older
voters are going would go for Cuomo? Because Mandomide seems

(01:00:26):
to have a young, young voting a side locked up.
How do you see it? Have we lost Reggie Wayne.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Yeah, better than what happened. Okay, Yeah, that was all mute.

Speaker 7 (01:00:45):
From what I understand, I'm sorry. From what I understand,
the older voters are coming from the wealthier neighborhoods in
Manhattan and Brooklyn, the Jewish enclaves in Brooklyn. These older
voters are the wealthier voters that are coming out for Cuomo.

(01:01:05):
And while Cuomo superPAC has raised roughly forty million dollars,
Madami has the number that's showing that going into the
race he could win even though his superpack has only
raised about ten million. And from what I understand, cartis

(01:01:28):
Lee was efforts, his super pac has raised about a
million dollars. So what I understand is that it's the while,
the while the older voters are coming out on a
little heavier scale in early voting, they are mostly going

(01:01:50):
for Cuomo and our wealthier voters.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Right right, and hold that though right there a side
for a few months. We'll come back with inteer this conversation, family,
this is the racist of what people are gonna be
watching next next Tuesday election day, the New York mayor race.
What are your thoughts? You want to join this conversation,
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(01:02:15):
with us on this Wednesday morning. It's a hunt day.
That means we're halfway through the work week. I guess too.
New York broadcasters and media analysts are Reggie Thomas and
Wayne Gill, and they're looking at the race next week.
The all eyes are on this in New York City
where the Zoram and Dolly who describes himself as a
democratic socialist, and when he's been leading in the polls,
but the polls are starting to titan and a bunch

(01:02:37):
of folks went to the polls earlier in early voting.
As a regip pointed out there, most of them were
elderly or older. As you say, I don't want to
disparage anybody about their age, but they're on the on
the older side, if you will. And the young people
have not yet shown up. So Wayne, let me ask
you this, do you expect a surge of young people
to come in by Tuesday or on Tuesday? Is it again? Now?

(01:02:58):
The vote's going to determine the win off race in
New York City.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
That's a good question, you know, and I would assume
that a lot of young people have already been to
the polls to a certain extent. But obviously the next
Tuesday is going to be the deciding factor, and some people,
you know, would rather wait for the contraditional vote day
and things like that. But you know, there's just been

(01:03:26):
so much fueling the man Denny Race. He's become a
national face for the Democratic Party. He's been branded as
being a socialist and a lot of his ideas just
on a poll I've read this morning that not many
I guess the assessment has been half and half. Some

(01:03:48):
of New Yorkers agree with some of his ideas about
free affairs for people who recording must a regular basis.
You have people who feel that the whole issue about
a red freeze is impossible and I don't see that happening.
And then the city government running grocery stores are certain

(01:04:11):
designated grocery stores to help out with the issues of
you know, those areas where people are not getting it off,
especially in the precipice staff benefits and things like that.
There are a lot of people are very unhappy about
what's going on. So at the end of the day,
it's going to be interesting to see what happens in

(01:04:33):
the final analysis. But they're saying that if it was
a two man race Mandanny and Cuomo, Cuomo's numbers go
up at least a good five percent. I think it's
Cuomo forty Mandandy's still at forty four. But with Curtis
Slee with a picture, he still has that Republican vote,

(01:04:54):
and Slave was said, he's not moving. Here's a guy
who spent most of his life life not just a
political activism from a Republican point of view, but he's
been on radio as long as you and I have been, Carl.
You know, I've known Curtis for a number of years
and he's been married three times. The joke is former

(01:05:18):
Governor David Pattison endorsed Cuomo after walking back his support
for him yesterday, and Curtis was ready to come out
and give Pattison a singer. And it's personal because I
understand that David Pattison is now married to Curtis Lee

(01:05:41):
was ex wife. It's not his first wife, the second wife.
So you got everything is getting personal now. So it's
going to be interesting to see what happens in the
long run.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
All right, let me go, Richie, let me ask you
this question. Interesting, Wayne, Thank you for that. Twenty four
minutes after top aur family, Reggie tell media giants in
New York City analyzing the race next week is everybody's
be watching this race in New York City because Democrats
are looking for a spot to go. They're looking for
a landing where they can move on and CounterPunch. So, Reggie,

(01:06:16):
my question to you is if Donald Trump succumbs out
and support Cromo and ignores the Republican in the party
that Wayne mentioned that is Curti Sleier, would that caused
some problem? Is Donald Trump in an old win situation?
Does he have to support Curti Sleier because Curti Sleiveer
is the Republican on the race. But obviously everyone knows.

Speaker 7 (01:06:39):
Yeah, I'm not seeing that. I'm saying that that that
the executive in the White House is Uh pushing his
support for Cuomo, as is many of the billionaires who
supported Uh the executive in the White House. Those people
are supporting people know that Fleewood probably doesn't have a

(01:07:04):
chance in hack. The thing is is that I think
with CuMo you might find that he'll be in a
situation much like the current mayor is in as it
relates to the president having to if you know, I

(01:07:28):
think Cuomo does when he'll have to go and kiss
the ring and and and credit will be given to
the current executive in the White House of helping him win. However,
you know, it's always going to come down to the people,
and the New New York is a horse of a

(01:07:48):
different color when you look at this country and it's
electorate and who's now let me say this, this is
the one thing that has been a concern of mine
in this election is the presence of ICE at the
polls and how that could affect people's desire and their

(01:08:14):
willingness to come out and vote. And I'll leave it
right there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Well, well, no, before I go, is ICE going to
be at the polls? Why would ICE be at the
polls if you're not if you're undocumented that if no, no.

Speaker 7 (01:08:31):
No, no, no, they're not. They're not just going after
undocumented people. People that would that have been snatched up
by this organization were not just uh undocumented. There's a
lot of American citizens that have been that have been
pulled up by that. The The concerned is that even

(01:08:55):
though people know that they are uh uh citizens, the
fact that they would have to go through all of
that drama of being possibly detained or even roughed up,
you know, uh is the concern of folks. You've got

(01:09:17):
folks that have citizenship that may have undocumented folks in
their household that a lot of folks don't want statics,
So what they end up doing is staying away and
and and that's just that's just something that I have
in the back of my head. I'm not saying it's

(01:09:37):
gonna happen, but I think it's something that we need
to consider as it relates to who actually comes out
of votes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
That has a very excellent point there, because we've already
seen in recent weeks, not necessarily outside polling stations, but
in the uh the food vendors in our community in
parts of the city. Ice has descended on those locations
and picked up American citizens more or less people of color,

(01:10:12):
based on what I've seen on the TV screen, and
have locked them up, you know, without just because they're
selling food and they thinking those who are involved in
us thinking that these are people who are not documented,
and and they're a good number of them. But you know,
the President is trying to do what he's done in

(01:10:34):
other urban ports of call in this country and to
instill fear so that people will not come out. But
I don't know, no, I think I think it's going
to be a different atmosphere here in New York, you know.
And then we also have across the river the New
Jersey contest, the gulbinatorial race there. Everybody's looking at that.

(01:10:56):
You have Mikey Sheryl, the congresswoman, and somebody who's been
running a number of gubernatorial campaigns, Jacksonarelli, and those numbers
are closed, but it looks like Cheryl may pull it off,
you know. So it's gonna be interesting. You have a

(01:11:16):
traditional Democrat on the Jersey side, and here in New York,
if Man Denny gets in, uh, they've labeled him a
Democrat socialist, and he hasn't even gotten the support of
Chuck Schumer, who's the highest ranking Democratic, uh was short
of the governor in the state of New York. And

(01:11:37):
and a lot of the old guard who you know,
they've they've been sitting on defense. It wasn't until last
week that Hakim Jeffery is the House Minority leader through
his support behind me and Daddy because he sees where
the political title tuddle wave is going. But a lot
of them are just not comfortable with that socialists platform

(01:12:00):
that he is put down. And it's just gonna be
interesting to see what happens Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
All right, thirty minutes at the top of how interesting
you mentioned that, because that's gonna my next question, I'll
posed to Reggie. But he mentioned that that Keem Jefferies
finally decided to endorse mandonne In in the race, and
despite people say he wouldn't do it because of a pak,
Chuck Schumer hasn't move. Then we know why because he's there.
You know, he that's his base and he's just wanted

(01:12:26):
to u uh it, doesn't want to get his base
all upset with him if he endorses a mandonne So
I don't think Madonna's gonna look for endorsement from uh
from Chuck Schumer. But Reggie we ain't mentioned that the
race across the river in Jersey, the gubernatorial race. How
is this the same issues like New York. He's gonna

(01:12:48):
is gonna turn on who gets out of the people
to vote. Is it turnout, it's gonna be in both races.
Your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (01:12:55):
Well, and then the race in Jersey is a lot
closer uh than it is in in in New York.
Going back to what you guys were talking about with Schumer, Uh,
Schumer is not going to endorse mont DOMI because Schumer

(01:13:16):
gets a lot of money from the wealthy Democratic Jews
in New York. I don't I think that, uh, that
that thatteen Jiffy's doesn't look at them as a as
as in his cauldron, which is why he went in

(01:13:38):
the direction of Mam Donnie. I think that he looked
at that and said, well, you know, my people are
you know, the the general working class, the people who
are in the struggle, the young people who are trying
to make it in in uh in New York, where
as Schuma is part of the old guard who who

(01:14:02):
gets his support from the much wealthier folks. But in
this particular case, they are they're looking more towards Como Cuomo,
even though these people are also uh, the Republican president's supporter.

Speaker 9 (01:14:22):
In New York.

Speaker 7 (01:14:23):
I'm thinking that with the diversity that the electorate has
in New York, that he has a good chance even
though he hasn't raised as much money. The super Pac
hasn't raised as much money as as as Cuomo. I
still think that, uh, it's going to be going in
his direction. And part of that is because, you know,

(01:14:45):
when you come into office with with baggage. I mean,
you look at what happened with Cuomo as a governor,
and you know, and you look at the fact that
many voters are women, and his problem has been with uh,

(01:15:06):
with dealing with women who have worked for man. You know,
you you don't win their hearts over again. They don't forget,
they don't forget, and they don't want to see somebody
come back in office who's had these problems before. Chronically,
Cuomo is going on the you know, the something that

(01:15:28):
you know, his dad, Marrio you know, was uh you know,
uh a legacy, uh, you know, politician in New York,
so he should follow suit. And I think that that
has changed a lot of those young people don't know
who Maria Cuomo was, you know, I do, you do,

(01:15:48):
Wayne does. But a lot of these young folks set
up that have the power to vote now that they
don't they don't have that history with the Cuomo family.
They know Andrew. They know quick from CNN and whatever
he's doing now, but it's a it's a different ball.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Game now, right and all are they're reach iman. I
just got a tweeted from my brother in Buffalo. Uh,
and I'll get you guys to respond to what he says.
It's just black women are powering those against the Cuomo
abuse and scandal, building trades and wealthy back Cuomo. But
the voters are voting Mandamie, he says, the nations don't
vote people do his ground game and he's referring to

(01:16:28):
Mondonna now is person to person like other major races
in New York State, Buffalo and Syracuse, the people used
are used to beating the machine. So Wayne, uh, this
is the method that Mandonni's using, you know, pressing the
flesh and out there. That's going to add to Cuomo.
What are your thoughts and and you've also mentioned that
the women issue too, that I think you mentioned earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
I have to agree with him. I really feel, as
I said before, you know, and Danny has had a
very spirited, aggressive campaign. Cuomo just assumed, based on what
Poles was saying back before the primary, that it was
his contest to lose. And you know, like the guy

(01:17:12):
back in the day knew his father and all that,
and Reggie's completely right. Legacy politics does not fly anymore.
I don't care what part of the country you're in,
you know. And it's just one of those things. There
was an arrogance about him, and Reverie Sharpton brought it
up the other day during one of his appearances on
MSNBC that if he had come out more aggressively against

(01:17:38):
mandect maybe he would have had a fighting chance. But man, Denny,
you know, he was out in the street, as he said,
pressing flesh, going to different places. And not only that,
he and is a growing number of Hindus and Muslims

(01:17:59):
in this community here in the last twenty years or so,
and they're all of different nationalities, and he's got a
lock on both groups, and a lot of them if
you see them, you know, during his press briefings and
things like that, they want to see somebody that looks
like him in you know, running the city of New York. Now,

(01:18:21):
whether he can get away with half the things he's
promising is a different story. But you know, again, I'm
not looking to throw shade at at Andrew Cuomo. He
left in disgrace. But it's interesting I have found on
my just personal analysis of women I've talked to, most

(01:18:43):
black women didn't think much of that scandal that went
on with Cuomo with women in his office, and there
were largely white women. I don't know of anyone of
color who came forward. I know the State Attorney General
Tis James.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
I thought right there when we got to step asud
and get caught up in the lates news, trafficking weather
and not different stations. When we come back, I'll let
you finish your thought. Also, I want to hear from
both of you brothers about the black vote. What the
black vote Black New York is going to do? What
are they who are they going to vote for? What
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(01:19:22):
Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this Wednesday morning,
and we're talking politics with two New Yorkers Reggie Thomas
and Wayne Gilbert, the media analysts and discussing the race.
That's the key race people are going to be watching
next Tuesday, along with the Goobernatorial race in New Jersey
and also the one in Virginia as well. Before we
go back to Reggie and Wayne Element just remind you

(01:19:43):
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He's going to join us as well, and tomorrow futuristic

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I think was what's speaking? Ready?

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Yeah? Yeah, right? I so much has happened. It was
a long stop set there, but you know it's it's
going to be interesting to see what happens on Tuesday.
And and as you mentioned, just a moment ago, uh,
I just heard the spot for the goobernatorial contest and
uh in Virginia with Barack Obama endorsing the candidate, the

(01:20:42):
Democratic candidate. He's also visiting the tri state area here
over the weekend because he's going to be on a
stump for Mickey Cheryl in New Jersey. So it's Tuesday
is going to be a rude awakening for the country
with respect to what's going on with Democrats especially. I

(01:21:03):
just find it interesting, let.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Me for a second, as a Barack Obama got involved
in the New York City mayor race.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
Yet you know, it's interesting. I heard Kamila Harris endorse
man Danny, but I have not heard. It's been like
radio with regard to Baraca that and I'm kind of
curious about that. You know, he's still the face of
the Democratic Party leadership quite as it's kept. And again

(01:21:36):
he could be all though he can be among those
like Schumer Biden for that matter, because he's still you know,
with us, there's so many other people out there who
have not come out, and a lot a lot of
it is because they're concerned about this socialist image. And

(01:21:58):
you know, you have aos see and from oh boy,
I have a senior mind, I need another cup of coffee.
But there have been people who've been on a stump
who basically are either Independence of Democrats who have come
out to support Man Danny, but he has not had

(01:22:20):
you know, the traditional Democrat. So that's gonna be the
litmus test. I'm not saying that they won't throw their
support behind him. And as you mentioned just before the break,
the issue of the black vote. You know, there are
a lot of people who are going to support Eric
Adams and I from what I understand based on polls

(01:22:41):
that I've read, the Bronx has not come out in
large numbers to throw any support behind any of the candidates.
You know, So maybe they're waiting till Tuesday. But it's
going to be interesting to see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Well, yeah, I think of it out a siment way.
There's a lot of voter apathy, especially in the Bronxes,
so they may not show out. So Reggie, the question
to ask you with an endorsement friend Donald Trump or
Donal Trump has already jumped in the race. Barack Obama
of course, that too much of that. As Wayn mentioned
that socialist tack because he was accused of being a

(01:23:16):
socialist and that might turn the election a different way
if he comes out and supports man Donnie. Do you
think that's the issue?

Speaker 7 (01:23:25):
Well, you know, one of the things that you gotta understand.
I don't know if you remember, uh, the concern about
so in the past, when it comes to actors Bill Cosby,
Eddie Murphy, they were always very cautious on how they

(01:23:49):
used this celebrity. You wouldn't see them on every TV commercial,
emery opportunity to be on TV because they are you know,
they were the gold standard. The same thing applies to politicians.
Even though New York is a very very tenuous race

(01:24:11):
and it's going to be very important that the right
person goes into Gracie Mansion, I think that Barack might
be a little bit cautious because his endorsement is usually

(01:24:31):
reserved for the very very very important races and usually
more on the national level. Now, recently I saw commercials
for featuring Barack Obama as it relates to the the
changing of the voter districts in California's big deal can

(01:25:00):
answers because the California is the fourth largest economy on
planet Earth. So getting those people to change their district
thing to counter out what the VP is doing in
other parts of the country, especially in Texas, because California

(01:25:23):
is the largest state in the Union, followed by Texas,
followed by Florida. New York is fourth, but the majority
of the New York population is in New York City,
those five boroughs, Nasau, Suffolk, Westchester, and maybe a little

(01:25:45):
bit outside of Westchester like Rockland, putting them Dutchess Counties.
That's it. The rest of the state is very, very sparse.
I think that I think that what if Barack has
not stepped in his kids thinking, might be New York

(01:26:08):
will kind of like handle itself because it's so diverse
and it's so populated in one part of the state.
In a place like California, where the where the decision
that Gavin Newsom made to redistrict you know, the state

(01:26:30):
of California to go against those votes that that the
GOP jerry mandering and the rest of the country really
really really important. Huge population from the top to the
bottom of the state. Huge economy, very very important because
California plays a huge role. And how who's going to

(01:26:55):
control the the Senate and Congress UH moving forward now
I'm still of the belief that we have to get
to the midterm elections. I there, you know, uh, Michael
Michael Baize used to say fracking knackle bull that I

(01:27:17):
think that's what we could be facing, you know, going
towards the midterm elections. And I'm just you know, holding
my breath, acrossing my fingers and making sure that the
Lord steps in and and and and has a role
in helping helping things become right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
All right. Eight away from the top that Wayne, he
mentioned the midterm elections. Do you think we're because some
people talk having said that Donald Trump says he's going
to run for the next election in regardless of what
the constitution says. Do you think we'll have midterms?

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
You know, I think we are, and I really think that,
you know, he's trying to set the mood for people
to believe there be a fair factor f ear factor
with respect to coming out the vote. But you know,
we had seven million people two weeks ago with this

(01:28:10):
No More Kings campaign. Every time that they staged one
of those events and the numbers go up. They actually
had a similar campaign in England the same weekend. You know,
this is a global thing. That you know, he is
basically provided so much chaos and he's just so counter

(01:28:36):
what we are accustomed to as Americans in this country.
And the one thing that I will say that he
has done successfully, he has shown how vulnerable we are
that they're things in the Constitution. Can you imagine if
Barack Obama had taken the East wing of the White
House and decided that he wanted to put something up

(01:28:58):
so that he would be memorialized forever as having done
something there. I mean, presidents have come and gone and
they've made changes. But you know, a ball room that's
almost twice the size of the existing White House. I mean,
what's that about? And even further, Luke, what's going on

(01:29:22):
in the Caribbean. You know, it's like everything is about
fear fear. You know, you can't even go out if
you're a fisherman in Trinidad or Venezuela board a boat. Everything.
Oh no, we have we have empirical information. They're they're
they're moving drugs out of the country, bringing them to

(01:29:43):
the States.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
You know, Yeah, whod on second regianeous referend to, which
hasn't been widely reported, and two of the fishermen that's
so called with suppose they haven't running drug boats a fishman,
they're from Trinidad, Trinidad and Tobaco and Trinidad as a

(01:30:04):
current president or prime minister, correct me for which one
is when it is coming up to Donald Trump's become
a Trump, sir. And there's an ongar issue with the
Venezuela and Trinidad and the ongoing issue with Venezuela and
the United States. So we got to keep an eye
on the halopa.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Yeah right, I might you know, not to cut you off,
Carl with respect to that, because the Prime Minister's name
is Kembela Bassar. And the deal is is that there
has been so much violence because of what's going on
in Venezuela. Venezuelan is leaving that country and going from
Venezuela to Trinidad is like leaving New Jersey coming to

(01:30:44):
New York. You could parts of Trinidad. You could actually
see Caracas, the capital of Veezuela. And the deal is,
the crime has been so out of control in Trinidad.
You know, it's one thing for her to come out
and say, you know, we want the American troops in
this region. My mom, uh my, parents grew up in Trindidad.

(01:31:07):
They're Trinidadians and uh and America always had a base
in Trinidad in Port of Spain, going back to the forties.
My mom worked at one of them as a child.
So so the deal is is that the relationship between
the United States and the American government is nothing new.

(01:31:28):
But what everybody's objecting to the rest of the Caribbean region,
and rightfully so, is the fact that she's leaning towards
getting Trump's support. But what I look at, will the
rest of the Caribbean step in to to to help
eliminate some of the rampant violence that's going on to

(01:31:51):
the island, and we're very concerning.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Wants to make a point, we'll come back. We'll speak
with Reggie's three minutes away from the top. They our
faunily to New York media analysts with us Reggie Thomas
and Wayne Gilman. You want to join this discussion with them,
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
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thanks for rolling the list on this Wednesday morning and
we're talking politics at Reggie Thomas and Wayne Gilman. I'm

(01:32:20):
more material. We're going to talk mathematics with brother Akhieley Parker,
but let's just start with the Reggie and Wayne because
their focus. We started the focus on the New York
City mayoral race next Tuesday. This is when, well next Wednesday,
we'll find out who was the winner. And there's three
key races on the ballots for next week. We mentioned
the Good Natil races in New Jersey and in Virginia,
and the Democratic and the mayoral race in New York

(01:32:44):
City because the leading the polls right now is Zoran
Mandani and if he does hold on, he could become
the face of the Democratic Party. And this is where
the Democrats will have to dig in where they're going
to support him all heartily or where they're going to
have it because they're still floundering Democrats still haven't you know.
I saw a poll recently and Pete Budhachetz was the
leading votes and people thought of who's the leading of

(01:33:05):
the Democratic Party even being out Newsome in California, come
I came in second. So the Democrats are still flound
in trying to find the leaders trying to find a theme,
a message, and it may crystallize if Mandani wins the
race next Tuesday. But I know, Reggie, you wanted to
say something.

Speaker 7 (01:33:22):
Yeah, you know, we were talking about Venezuela and the
drug boats. There's a bigger picture here. So look at
all the deals that have been cut with Ukraine natural
resources of the chief executive is in Japan right now.
The deal relates to natural resources and these precious metals

(01:33:47):
for computers. The focus has been on the drug boats. However,
if you take a deeper look at this venue has
some of the largest oil reserves on planet Earth. And

(01:34:07):
when you see the mass UH, the massive staging of
military UH units and hardware in the Caribbean off the
coast of Venezuela. Even Lindsay Graham was on TV yesterday
talking about UH, you know, to some degree, a land

(01:34:30):
a landfall of these military people, the surry for drugs.
I also know that they say that they want to
go after Maduro. But the other thing to look out
for is what will become of Venezuela's natural resources.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Yeah, I'm rep of this section saying that Mandura's offered
the resources to UH. The United States he's offer and
down till rejectam. It's interested down there is regime change,
and I think this is what most of the political analysts,
so we got to keep an eye on that as
well say something.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
Well, I was just going to piggyback on what Reggie
was saying. That whole region, including Trinidad, has oil fields
that have been very profitable for the country, unlike some
of the parts of the Caribbean where tourism is the
big player. You know, they've been blessed to have. I
think Trinidad alone supplies most of the natural liquid gas

(01:35:36):
to the eastern United States here. I know up to
a couple of years ago that was a deal and
that whole even Diana for that matter, is being is
coming up with natural resources. But it's the regime change
that I think that's going to make a difference, because
this guy is a dictator, Maduro, and and as long

(01:35:57):
as he's in office, it's going to be confidentis with
regard to Venezuelan wanted to leave the country and go
to whatever is there by. You have Columbia, you got
Margarita Island, true to that, Tobago, Guyana, all these other
countries are affected by it, you know, So I agree
with what Reggie said.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
All right, six or after the time. I gotta let
your brothers go. But again we'll talk after the election.
Our eyes on the election and what it means for
the country, because if Zarmadni wins, the Democrats and now
unfortunately they have a de facto leader and some people
are just just are not comfortable with the fact that
he just says a democratic socialists Andy just say he's

(01:36:37):
a socialist. They leave out the democratic part. So fellows,
want to thank you again for sharing your thoughts. To tomorrow.
We'll keep watching that races. Well, let's talk after the elections. Okay,
these brothers have being their analysis was especially the New
York race, but also as I mentioned, the gubernatory race
in New Jersey and in Virginia. Those are key races

(01:36:58):
to watch. You see, if Donald Trump has cemented this
position or MAGA group of sementy their position in the
country eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
to seventy sixty can need that. I'm gonna speak to
our next guest, a brother Akil Parker's checking in, Brother
Akil grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
More than brother, are you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
I'm still learning. I'm still learning what I'm learning That
math is just about everything. You know, we're just talking
about elections and who's turning the turnout and who's who,
who's doing what, and who's doing It's all comes down
to math. And so like you've been saying that for
quite some.

Speaker 9 (01:37:31):
Time, I have, I have, I try trying to scream
it from the rooftops, you know when you think about
you know, And I'm glad that you know that segment
was all before mind because it's a nice segue into
the conversation, since you know, politicians made economic decisions that
affect all of us, and the foundation of economics is mathematics.

(01:37:52):
You know, it's the algebra, it's the calculus and everything.
And I think it also ties into you know, as
you were saying about uh my daddy in New York City,
a lot of people are uncomfortable with him, paturely uncomfortable
with the idea of socialism. But the fact that the
matter is a lot of people don't even know what
socialism is, and a lot of people don't even know
what capitalism is, and even being able to do a

(01:38:16):
real analysis of those those political systems requires mathematical awareness
and mathematical competency, because when you start talking about you know,
surchplus value equations and use value theory and all of that, like,
all of that is algebras. That's that's that's all algebras.

Speaker 7 (01:38:32):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (01:38:33):
And when you really understand those things, then you can
really do a serious critical analysis of whether you know,
monopoly capitalism is the best system for for for our people,
or if socialism is the best system for our people.
I'm not going to say what system is the best,
but we can't even really do a real analysis if
we don't have mathematical understanding and mathematical competency. So math

(01:38:56):
is central to all of.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
This, Well, other kill eight minutes after the time of that.
If math is central to it, just on math alone,
just the numbers a loan, Which would you consider better
for our people? Democratic, democratic socialism or capitalism?

Speaker 9 (01:39:14):
Well, socialism is a system where you know, the people
are controlling the means, the means of production and the resources.
Monopoly capitalism, we say, the system that requires poverty. You
got to have poor people, right, It's a pyramid scheme.
You know, we know how pyramid schemes work. You know,
there's always going to be a few controlling most of

(01:39:35):
the resources, right, and you're gonna have a bunch of
have nots. That majority will be have notts that will
be fighting over the leftovers, you know, in a socialist system.
And also another thing I want to say this too,
because a lot of people will say, you know, it
doesn't matter what the system is. You know, you got
good people and bad people. Well, here's the thing about that.
The capitalist system incentivizes the bad behavior because the privileges

(01:39:58):
profit over humanity. So a person has an opportunity to
you know, you know, to scam or scam or get
over or cause harm, and as a result they can
make a million dollars. Then the capitalistm is We're going
to make a million dollars and people are gonna start
people are going to be displaced from their communities through

(01:40:19):
gentrification because I'm a real estate investor and I can
make a million dollars doing that, right, But you know,
other types of systems, it's like there's no incentive to
do that because it's not about profit. It's not about
surplus value. You know, it's not about me, you know,
having a company or you know, a business where you know,
I can't pay a person their true worth because I

(01:40:41):
got to make a profit off of there, we're off
of their labor. Right, So I mean, these are all
things we got to think about. And another thing we
got to think about, too, is when we ask that question.
And I like, I like how you asked the question,
because you said, you know, for the collectives, right, you
asked about which is better for the collectives? A lot
of people we say, you know, which system is better.
We don't talk about the specifics of for whom because

(01:41:05):
I mean for a few individuals. Yeah, you know, the
capitalist system. You know, people can benefit from it, you know,
but it's not a system that can benefit the masses.
And I think that we should be looking for systems
that can benefit the masses of people, not just to
select few, not just the people that have, you know,
college degrees, not just the people that you know, have

(01:41:25):
a certain lineage where they come from families that already
had financial resources. You know, we got to start thinking
about systems that will benefit everybody. So you don't need
to have people starving and you know, living on the street,
you know, on the ground underneath of you know, expensive
apartment buildings that have vacancies in them. And then we
also got to like, you know, disabuse ourselves of all

(01:41:47):
the propaganda when people start talking about well, you know,
if you're homeless, that's your fault. You made poor decisions.
You know, you should have did better in school and
all this and that, and not to say that, you know,
people could make different personal decisions, but poverty is well calculated.
You know, this is all this is all planned. People
are socially engineered into certain positions and you know, to

(01:42:10):
have certain outcomes in order to in order to ensure
the maintenance of certain systems, you know, and even this
is like you know, there's there's a mathematical analysis that
is required to even understand this and even to question
these things and even to consider these things. So so again,
like if we're going to have a serious conversation about
like which system is better or you know, more suitable

(01:42:34):
or more feasible, then you know, we got to be
doing some mathematical analysis to to really do that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
I like how you put in twelve after the top
of that family kill Park and math Guru, and that's
what we call them, you know, because what you're saying
is what doctor Claude and has has been teaching us
for quite some time. Somebody's got to win and somebody's
got to lose. And this system that's set up, and
they want us to be the perennial losers. We're the
Washington Generals and they're the Harlem globe trotters. We're never
a master beating them at their game because they control

(01:43:04):
the game, they control all aspects of the game. Is generally,
is that what you've been applying, brother.

Speaker 9 (01:43:10):
Camp, Well, definitely, it's a zero sub game, and I
think we have to make you make a decision. Like
a lot of people say, well, it is the it is,
and I agree, I understand. I'm pragmatic enough to understand
that it is the current system. Right so, because if
you if we want to access food, clothing, and shelter,
then we have to essentially play this game. But again,

(01:43:33):
what is the end game? Is the end game for
our children and grandchildren to still be playing this game,
or is the end game for us to essentially use
this current system to acquire these this food, clothing, and shelter.
Now with a goal of creating a different system where
we don't have to play this game because there could

(01:43:53):
be you know, another system where you know, again we
don't have to have poverty, right, the system requires poverty.
So that's these are things that that we have to
that we have to think about.

Speaker 7 (01:44:06):
You know, we need to.

Speaker 9 (01:44:06):
Play play this game and definitely or we could start
thinking seriously about how to create a different system, which
you know requires a different game, but we don't have
these same outcomes. And we also got to you know,
start just having these conversations with you know, young people
at a very early age because a lot of people,
you know, I'll say this like I had a student
once upront of Tom Sharp brother you know he's doing

(01:44:30):
he's throwing this thing out here. Taught him about maybe
ten fifteen years ago. Well, we were having you know,
discussions about you know, economic systems and capitalism and whatnot.
When you know, he's in high school and I would
talk to my students about these these topics. And one
day he said, you know, a fish doesn't know that
it's wet, and that that's that that hit me like
a ton of bricks. It resonated. Wemen's man, that's that's

(01:44:52):
kind of deep, man like, because you know, a lot
of people we grow up in these systems and we
don't even know that it is something to be analyzed
or it's something to be questioned. But I think that
if more of us started analyzing and started questioning and
started you know, thinking about these systems, then that would
lead us to saying, well, wait a minute, like why

(01:45:14):
why do we have to do things this way? But
most often, you know, and I'm not even saying, like,
we don't even have to say, well, let's study the alternatives,
let's study the current system, and let's have serious and
honest conversations about the current system and not just the
very watered down versions that a child might get in
a you know, a US history class or like you

(01:45:35):
know the three weeks you know the three week unit
and you know the ninth grade world history class that
are underperforming neo colonial public school or whatever, Like, let's know,
I have some serious conversation like and not don't even
go to the necessarily the detractors. Let's go to Adam
Smith Wealth Nations. Let's read you was talking about talking

(01:45:56):
about Trinidad in the last session. Let's let's talk about
Eric Williams Capitalist with slavery, Let's talk let's get into
some books and let's really read and let really study
these systems, and then we can and let's have these
conversations with very young people and then let the young
people decide, because they're gonna end up being the adults anyway.
But a lot of us we grew up and nobody

(01:46:17):
ever put us in a position to even question monopoly
capitalism or even to know what it actually is. It
was just the all encompassing system that we grew up in,
so we don't even do.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
Any thing about.

Speaker 9 (01:46:28):
But then you might start learning about, you know, some
of our history and revolutionary leaders in the Black Power movement,
to people like the asside of Cha course and the
shoe removements and Bobby Shills and Kwame Terrase and people
like that Malcolm X, even Doctor King toward the end
of his life, and with their critiques of capitalism, then
we start to think about it. But let's start doing

(01:46:48):
that earlier with the young people.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
Yeah, right there, we got to step uside. I got
some folks who want to meet you as well a family.
You two can join our conversation as a math group.
That's a recalling brother Kill Parker out of Philly got
a question of comment reach out to us at eight
hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll
take your phone calls next And Grand Rising family, thanks
for us staying with us on this Wednesday morning. I
guess there's a math guru, brother Akil Parker, and he's

(01:47:14):
just telling us how math is interwine in every single
thing that we do these days, and even in the politics.
You mentioned that as well. What are your thoughts though, family?
Eight hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy six.
A kill Gene wants to speak to here is calling
from Pikesville in Maryland. Is online too, Grand Rising Gene,
you're on with the kiel.

Speaker 14 (01:47:32):
Yeah, Grand Rising Brothers. Okay, So brothers, my question to
you is what Donald Trump is doing with with the
tariffs is part of economics. It's exports, right, so export
and the imports. That's the difference between the GDP and
the GNP. So well, America capital country, are isn't our

(01:47:57):
number one product that we for Aren't they weapons of
mass destructions? And I like to make this a quick statement,
so if it is weapons of mass destruction right now
in the Ukraine, what we're seeing is nobody needs a
multimillion dollar jet to fight this war. They're using drone

(01:48:18):
five hundred dollars a piece, and they super them up
so that people can now have a war and they're
you know, and they and they can afford to have
a war. So in other words, small countries can now
fight big countries the way the way that the system
is set up. Now that this applies to the United States, Russia,

(01:48:39):
while the others, say the un the capitalistic come through,
or the Saudi oil countries and the bricks countries, this
is to me, this is what's going on economically. So
capitalism and socialism, I really can't see the difference for
the most part, because they're all trying to grow their
middle class with the same methods.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
All right, thanks Gan, Let's see if a kill agrees
with Kill.

Speaker 9 (01:49:06):
Well, for my studies of socialism, it's not a class
based system in that sense. And I don't I mean,
I don't want to get you know, too technical, because
I you know, I still i'm, like you said in
the beginning call of the show, you're you're a student,
and I'm still a student of this myself, you know,

(01:49:28):
on an ongoing basis. But again it's it's about.

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
A lot.

Speaker 9 (01:49:35):
There has to be so military, there has to be
a military expansion. And this is something that you know,
doctor King talked about, you know, before he was assassinated.
The triple evils. You know, he talked about this in
his nineteen sixty seven while I oppose the war in Vietnam,
you know speech and whatnot, the triple evils of militarism, racism,

(01:49:58):
and uh povery. I believe I need to, I need to,
I need to check that. But I think those were
the triple evil that they spoke to. But and and
you know in the in these in this economic system,
you have to constantly expand territory, so you have to
have military, you know, aggression right to go take territory,
take more territory to get more resources. Right and if

(01:50:20):
you you know, take over a country, then you don't
have to you know, you know, you get it for free.
It's almost like when you when you steal, there's the
zero overhead when you steal. So once you once you
have that, then you have you know, products, and then
you have you know, we can we can have these
things that that we have and you know we we
do we're all we're all complicit with it. You know,

(01:50:41):
we do benefit, right, but again it's about long term,
like what do we want to be doing twenty years
from now? Thirty is now? What type of society do
want our children and grandchildren to be existing with them?
Because we do have to admit, you know, I have
to admit, like I'm honus, like we're all benefiting from
these problematic systems, right, We're not immune to it, but
it's an all encompassing system. That's why the question of

(01:51:04):
like what is the end goal is important because some people,
for them, they're like, yes, I'm part of I'm part
of this current economic system now and I'm benefited from it,
and I'm proud of that, and it's always going to
be this way and I'm content with that. But then
some of us are like, well, this is what we're
doing right now, but hopefully we won't be doing this
in the future long term.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
Gotcha? Twenty four after the top of now, Thanks Jane,
let's go to la Irving's Waiting for Us online three.
Every Ground Rising You're on with Akilving the.

Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
Online three, I'm right here, can you hear me? Fantastic
brother kill You are right on point with everything that
you're seeing. But capitalism is to me is economic terrorism.
Someone has to be exploited for capitalism to work correctly.
You're absolutely correct because when you speak of capitalism, you're

(01:51:57):
speaking of individualism. Am I correct? Because when you when
you do something collectively, collectively you can get more done
and it includes everyone. But capitalism, there is a syndicate
running this country and there's other millionaires in the billionaires.
Donald Trump is part of it. And if we don't
understand that these are gangsters and a gangster has they
don't care about the people they but they're giving you

(01:52:19):
the impression they do. I was looking to the brothers earlier.
My brother talked about politics, but we're coming from the
same playbook. I could their colonized minds are showing when
they start talking about you Gotta. I mean, you got
a fella in the White House, So what do you
What are we talking about here? So my point is,
I brother, I love what you're saying. And as answering me,
this question is mathematics. My ancestors knew about mathematics in

(01:52:43):
Africa way before these Caucasians even knew what it was
all about.

Speaker 9 (01:52:48):
Is that correct? It's definitely correct and well documented that's
definitely correct.

Speaker 15 (01:52:53):
One.

Speaker 9 (01:52:53):
I'm very well documented, you know. It's just that you know,
and a lot of you know, the Europeans are very
excellent at marketing and pr so a lot of the
a lot of the formulas and whatnot, they've named after
themselves and they published all the textbooks. So that's why
go to schools and get exposed to it as this
explicit as a specific domain of them.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
I understand, brother, thank you, I thank God for you
keep doing what you're doing, and I support you one
hundred percent.

Speaker 7 (01:53:24):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Let me speak appreciate you and what you said, don't
you guys agreed on that we we created mathematics, but
it seems like the rest of the world doesn't know.
It's only a small percentage of even black folks know
that we created mathematics. So, kile, how do we get
this message across you know, if the other folks don't
don't get it to the other folks. At least our
people know that it was our ancestors who created mathematics.

(01:53:47):
How do we get that message to them?

Speaker 9 (01:53:50):
Well, having a conversations like this, you know, having more
of these conversations and also showing young not only young
people but adults, you know, the utility of mathematics, on
the utility of algebra, and even being more specific and
the nomenclature, like, you know, I'm trying to develop the
habit of not always using the term mathematics because math

(01:54:10):
is kind of general, you know, but being more specific
and saying, well, we can use trigonometry for this, we
can use geometry for this, or you know, pre calculus,
you know, and and also showing people like how the
things that they're already doing every day sometimes they're already
using algebra or using the geometry for that, you know,
they just may not know it, you know, like when

(01:54:31):
you know, his sisters like braiding her daughter's hair, you know,
that's a that's geometry. She is acting as a mathematician.
She is practicing geometry, right, She's making sure the lines
are parallel, She's making sure that the hair is parted
in a certain way. At the at the root of
the braid, there might be some triangles, might be some trapozoids,
might be some rectangles, some some type of parallelograms. So

(01:54:53):
it's like it's it's innate with finis and what a
lot of times happens and it hits the challenge for
a lot of us. And oftentimes schools don't do a
good enough job doing this because early in my teaching career,
and I've been teaching at mathematics for twenty years, early
in my teaching career, I didn't do as good as
a job of this. So it's a lot of teachers
that didn't do as good of a job this. There's
a lot of young teachers and even the old teachers

(01:55:14):
that aren't doing as good of a job of this.
Now is communicating to children in classrooms that the math
that they're learning is really a language. It's a way
to not only conceptualize, but to articulate the activities that
were already doing. So. It's like, you know, wyfe was

(01:55:34):
m xplus b. It's a popular formula that people often
will say it's useless. I never used this in life,
but this is only one of many examples. Every time
you calculate your paycheck, if you make an hourly wage,
you're using wyfe.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
Was m xplus b.

Speaker 9 (01:55:49):
But you might not ever know that. If I'm sure
there's been millions of people that never equated calculating their
paycheck with wife was m x plus b or knowing Ever, Wait, wait.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
Bro, don't do a drive by break that down for us,
because you know some folks that be getting paid for
all their years and have never even thought about it
in that the way that you did that break that
down for us again.

Speaker 9 (01:56:12):
Yeah, and another thing too, like because I heard one
of these rappers you know, recently talking about they didn't
need masks because they didn't need letters. Like the letters
are just unknown values. It's like, you know, we use
letters to hold the place of a numerical value that
we don't know yet. So whenever you're trying to figure
something out in your mind, you're like, Okay, how much
is this going to cost? And how much is that

(01:56:33):
going to cost? How much money do I need to
take out the bank so I could pay these bills
and get this person some money or whatever? You're using variables, Yeah,
but you may not know that you're using variable So
why equals MX plus b. Each of those letters represents
the value. And when we're talking about our paycheck, let's
say you work a job. You know, your teenage dor

(01:56:53):
to your teenage son or whatever, they work a job.
He might be making ten dollars an hour. Your hourly wage.
That's him represents what we call the slope or the
rate of change. Right, how much money are you making
per hour?

Speaker 4 (01:57:06):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:57:07):
And equals to the number ten in that situation for
that particular person, if you're making ten hours an hour,
the person that's making twenty dollars an hour, there ms twenty. Now,
what's x X is the number of hours that you work.
So X represents the number of hours that you work,
So you fill that in right. B in this case
will be zero because B is the amount of money

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that you are giving up front. Now, if you work
a job where you get a sign on bonus and
they give you okay, you know, come work for us.
We're gonna give you five hundred dollars sign on bonus,
then B will be five hundred. A lot of jobs
don't have that, so B can be zero. And then
why is the result Why is the resulting amount of money?
When you figure out Okay, like imagine if you're trying
to go on a trip, you're trying to buy something,

(01:57:50):
or you know, like when I was at high school,
I got a job in twelfth grade because I was
trying to get money up to go to the prom
to rent a car, get a tuxedo, get my tickets,
you know, do you know?

Speaker 7 (01:58:00):
Do what I had to do?

Speaker 9 (01:58:01):
Make sure I had my hair cutting, all that type
of stuff. Right, So I had to calculate, okay, based
on my hourly wage that was my m how many
hours would I have to work right x to make
this amount of money. I had to do the algebra
to do the math. A lot of us know how
to do that, but we don't realize, right because of
our social programming, that we're actually using algebra when we

(01:58:23):
do that. Right, So we're using ys in xpus b
all the time, and that's only one of many formulas.

Speaker 4 (01:58:29):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:58:29):
So a lot of times what happens within mathematics is
that it's a way of conceptualizing and articulating the things
that were already doing anyway within a different language. It's
kind of similar to how you know, black people born
and raised in the United States, different cities Baltimore, DC, Chicago,

(01:58:50):
I Land, La, Detroit, whatever. Right, we do things and
we behave in a certain way culturally, but we may
not know the connection to through our ancient African ancestors.
But once we study our ancient African ancestors, then we realize, oh,
we're just carry on, carrying on a tradition. But if
we never studied our ancient African ancestors, we wouldn't see

(01:59:12):
the connection. Mathematics is very similar. We're already using the
mathematics in our everyday lives and what have you, but
we don't know that it's actually algebra that we're doing.
We don't know that it's actually calculus that we're doing. Right,
you know, I think about what is it? Uh, the
last poets, the poem that Omar ben Hassan, you know

(01:59:36):
about Malcolm X and about change. You know, he said,
you know, he's I'm not gonna you know, use the
language and used on ahead on the on the radio.
But you know we said, you know, in in where
it's changed all the time, we shouldn't be scared of revolution.
In words, are scared of revolution.

Speaker 4 (01:59:50):
That's what it was.

Speaker 9 (01:59:51):
I'm sure so listening audiences some of us are familiar
with that in words, are scared of revolution. And you
said we shouldn't be scared of revolution because all revolution
means is change, and we change all the time. And
it goes into this long like you know, spill about
you know how black people change this and we make
this type of change, and that type of change will up.
Calculus is based on the rate of change. Calculus is

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based on the slope. So things changing, and we're measuring
the rate of change of different activities and how different
things change at different rates throughout the process of it,
because it may not be a constant rate of change.
It's like when we're driving. When you leave your house,
you drive down the street, you might be driving thirty
miles an hour and you get on our turn the corner,

(02:00:32):
different street. You got to go a little slower because
it's more trapped. You might be going twenty miles an hour. Right,
that's your rate of change. Right now you get on
the highway, now you're going fifty miles an hour. So
your rate of change is constantly is constantly changing in itself.
That's a large part of what calculus is.

Speaker 4 (02:00:47):
Right.

Speaker 9 (02:00:48):
But these are things that we do on a regular basis.

Speaker 7 (02:00:51):
But the way it's all.

Speaker 9 (02:00:53):
Overall marketed to us is something that's too difficult, and
it's really a con game. It's a con game to
keep us away from it, right because we once we say, well,
this is too difficult, this is irrelevant, this is useless.
Then we've disqualified ourselves from economically speaking, the opportunity, the
career and job opportunities that you would be afforded by

(02:01:16):
knowing those things. And then the people of the children
that have not been given that message that is irrelevant
and useless and too difficult, then it makes it easier
for them to acquire those opportunities because once you say
you know, math is too hard, you know, I'm never
going to use this in life. You're never going to
be a computer scientist because it's a requirement to be
a computer scientist. You're never going to be a doctor

(02:01:39):
because it's a requirement to be a doctor. You're never
going to be an engineer, mechanical, architectural, computer, industrial, civil, electrical,
You're never going to do those things because it's a
requirement to do those things. You're never going to be
an architect. So you know, the power structure and those
and other groups that would have us that would not
want us to know. As individuals or as a collectors,

(02:02:03):
they don't have to tell you, no, you can't do
that job, right, They just program put you in educational
spaces where you begin to feel that, well, this this
topic is too difficult and it's useless. So therefore you
check out and don't try to learn it, and then
you end up never going into those fields, you know.

(02:02:25):
So it's more of a malignant neglect.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
Right Because we've got a step aside, we're coming up
on bread. We got some more folks want to talk
to you as well. Let me give you an update
on the hurricane Melicia. It's moving through Cuba right now.
It's been downgraded to a category two, are still pretty
strong one hundred and five miles per hour, and it's
going through the south, foutht eastern part of Cuba. That's
where money the Afro Cubans resigning the folks. Then it's

(02:02:48):
going to go to the Texan Kikos and all sorts
of the Bahamas and probably go straight to Bermuda coming
up later this week. But anyway, folks, that's the update
on the hurricane Melicitia's I mentioned, we got a step
aside for a few moments we come back. Some folks
want to talk to Kill Parker anything to do with mathematics.
He's the guy you need to talk to, and you
could reach him at eight hundred four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls

(02:03:10):
next and Grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with us
on this Wednesday morning. Our guest is a math guru,
brother Akil Parker, out of Philadelphia, and he's showing us
all the different uses of mathematics. Before we go back
to him, though, let me just remind you. Coming up
late this morning, we speak with license and Mental health
Counselor doctor Jason Anthony Pandograss. Doctor Panograss is going to
explain or show us why h Actually he's going to

(02:03:32):
dispel those myths and those rumors that black men do
not support their children. He's got digits as well. And
tomorrow we're going to be joined by futuristic researcher, brother
Saideka Bakari. So if you are in Baltimore, keep you
radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or if
you're in the DMV around fourteen fifteen WL Akil, as
I mentioned, some folks want to talk to you, So
let's go to Mike in DC's online four Grand Rising

(02:03:53):
Mike around with a kiel.

Speaker 15 (02:03:56):
About mister Nelson and mister Kevin. Your guests guests called
he is spot on my son is a mathematician. He
went to Morehouse and bullying, went the Harvard And what
happens that I grew up myself. We worked within the system.
He said, how do you how you making this? I
made a lot of money. I've made a lot of
people money, and I give him. I grew up around

(02:04:16):
the Gorses, the Kavanaughs, the Marriott, the Smuckers, all these
big people that work at the FED. My stepfather worked at.
He was a charge of the economic department at Walter Reed,
a sergeant Major Watford, and he ran a horle. He
showed me about money, about borrowing against the dollar and
stuff like that, and borrow against your own money, stuff

(02:04:37):
like that. So I showed my son how to do it.
He runs a thing called Valentino Workshop, and it's called
the name is Mike Lenswell, Hey, Valentine Workshop. And what
happens that he's showing kids everything you're talking about, frize
over runs, sloping, all the how of this stuff works.
He uses rap music. He's a rap music to infiltrate
into teaching kids how to learn that because they're in

(02:04:58):
this culture where they just only thing they care about
the music. So he takes that and infiltration into doing
calculus and stuff like that, into doing geometry and advanced math.
And he helps to pass the s A T L
s AT, s AD maths all that kind of stuff.
And he's world know, he has this, and we were eventually,
like you said, so we're eventually we're entrepreneurs. It wasn't

(02:05:20):
until FDR they start giving us welfare and stuff like that.
Became so dependent on the government before they time about
black Bass treat and stuff like that and black peoples
to make it. I talked about all and he's an
entrepreneur and he's trying to teach people that the entrepreneurs
and you're seven thousands correct. Math is the key to everything.
And our economic system, you know, are capitalism is a

(02:05:40):
is a form of socialism because you know, we have
to support everybody and the out tax space pays for
everything for our military people, it's on welfare and all
that kind of stuff, and it works. It's the best
system in the world, better than the aligarkis and you know,
and you know, and total palitarium and stuff like. That's
why so many people are trying to them to America.

(02:06:01):
But math is the key to everything and entrepreneurship. Check
them out. He's a he's a world of Now, Moist
Moist Volentino Workshop and he's a world of now. It's
a Harvey's very open his own schools around the world
to teach these kids about how to infiltrate that and
to the coming rich iness country, utilize the system that
we have and stuff like that. Thank you, sir, and
thank you mister.

Speaker 1 (02:06:21):
Nelson, Thanks Mike, thank you. You want to a common
anything that he said at kill Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:06:27):
One of the things that stood out to me is that,
you know, his son uses he uses rap music, you know,
to teach the math principles. And I think that is
that symbolic of a of a larger concept of just
meeting youth where they are, not just the youth, but
leading adults where they are. Because everything that we involve
ourselves in in life we can use as a backdrop
or a foundation for different mathematical lessons, whether it be algebra, geometry, calculus,

(02:06:53):
pre calculus. I mean, if you go to any you know,
you go to different textbooks and you look at the
application section or the word problem section, you can we
can see that, you know, but that's that's the real work.
That's the challenging work for a lot of us as
educators is to figure out, how do I take your
life experience? And this this is the essence of culturally
responsive pedagals. I know that's like a buzz term thrown

(02:07:14):
around a lot in education, but their essence of it is,
how do I take any person that I meet? Right,
I find out a little bit about them, what they're
interested in, what their background is like, what their community
is like, what their life experience is like, and how
do I how do I create and formulate a curriculum
based on this, based on their experiences, based on them, right,

(02:07:38):
that centers them, and then I use it to teach
them algebra, I use it to teach them geometry. I
use it to teach them pre calculus and calculus or statistics.

Speaker 6 (02:07:48):
Right.

Speaker 9 (02:07:48):
That's that's the challenging work, but that's the work that
has to be done, and the more experience you have
as an educator that becomes easier over top.

Speaker 6 (02:07:57):
You know.

Speaker 9 (02:07:58):
So yeah, but I definitely I want to I want
to say some than those two Like before, I forget
it's this concept because I want because I you know,
this is this is a something I want us to
really think about right, especially to the people that say,
I'm never going to use this in life? Why do
I need to learn this? And I think that's the
wrong question, or that's the wrong or when or when

(02:08:19):
when I'm gonna When am I going to use this
in life? Is a valid question. But I think there's
an even more valid question that we should be asking,
especially if you're a young person that has that thought,
or if you're an adult that once upon a town
was a young person that had that belief or had
that thought. The question we should also be asking is
who is using it? So if you're a person that says, well,

(02:08:39):
I'm not I believe that I'm never going to use this,
so there's no point for me to put forth effort
and energy and time to learn this, you also need
to consider who is learning it. Because the people that
are learning it are using it as a tool, and
in many cases are using it as a weapon too.
That will dictate the confines and constraints of your life,
of all of our Because the people that get bachelor's degrees,

(02:09:04):
master's degrees, PhDs, etc. In mathematics, they go into private
industry and work for corporations and they use those skills.
They go to government industry and use those skills. But
what do you think they're doing with those skills. They're
creating the algorithms, they're using the formulas that are going
to affect our lives. If you work for a corporate

(02:09:25):
you might work for Meta. Meta of course owns Facebook,
owns Instagram. They're using their math skills to create algorithms
that are going to take do their best to take
our attention away, which is why people get caught up
in what do they call it doom scrolling, or they
get caught up in the scroll. Right, we end up
wasting a lot of time on social media and they
sell us products.

Speaker 4 (02:09:46):
Right.

Speaker 9 (02:09:47):
So if the thing is, if there are people that
do know the mathematics and they're using it in ways
that it's going to affect your life, why would you
not want to know it? Why would you not want
your children to know it? Because now, if we really
understand the society that we live in that we started
this conversation talking about capitalism. In a capitalistic society, the
essence and foundation of it is competition. Right, It's a

(02:10:09):
dog eat dog world. It's a limit in a capitalism,
there's artificial scarcity. So we're in this We kind of
are in this system where there's this belief that there's
a limited amount of resources, even though there's an abundance
of resources, but people are certain individuals and groups are
hoarding the resources. So it makes it seem as though
there's a limited amount and there's a competition over the
so called limited amount of resources. So we're already in

(02:10:31):
a competitive mentality and a competitive orientation. So in a
competitive system and a competitive situation, why would you set
yourself up for asymmetrical warfare and asymmetrical warfare. It's like,
these people know mathematics, they're using it as a weapon,
they know calculus, they're able to use that as a
weapon to be able to secure resources and secure opportunities.

(02:10:53):
So why would you have you to put your children
in the situation where they're not going to know mathematics.
So your children are not going to have the weapons.
It's like going to you know, going against the whole
army with just one handgun. You're going to die. You're
not going to win. And this is essentially what we're
doing when we say things like when I'm never gonna
need this, Okay, you can think that but keep in

(02:11:15):
mind there are a lot of people that are learning
it and are using it, and we got to think
about what are those people doing with it? How are
they using it too?

Speaker 1 (02:11:24):
Because the clown got some mother folks wh want to
talk to you. Charles is online too, he's calling from
the district Grand Rising. Charles. You're on with the kill.

Speaker 16 (02:11:33):
Hotel, Brother Carl and doctor Kill.

Speaker 10 (02:11:36):
Uh.

Speaker 16 (02:11:36):
It is a very interesting conversation.

Speaker 6 (02:11:40):
Uh.

Speaker 16 (02:11:40):
When you say who else is using it and they're
weaponizing it, I would say even think tanks are using
mathematics and algelbro Okay. I would also say this Juanza
could use food back in the eighties told us that, hey,
they can actually calculate and know now the number of

(02:12:03):
young black males that will be in prison. And basically
that is an algebra equation where they factor in a
lot of things. They have the different variables there. So
my point to you, as you're talking about the different
systems or whatever, is that we've got to get people
to understand that, hey, we can possibly control some of

(02:12:26):
those variables and tell people, hey, this is how they're
calculating these numbers because they're based on let's say, with poverty,
you're going to have a certain level of income of crime,
and so if we keep the poverty constant, and then
we basically okay, the variable could be the crime. So
we can kind of control that and talk to our

(02:12:49):
people and explain the details. I think we'll get the seat.
As you say, math is used in everything, and so
it's important. And if you can talk about that, how
may we don't control the constant, but we can control
the variables. And I appreciate brother, all the information you're
putting out in Carl your show. Also, thanks a.

Speaker 5 (02:13:09):
Lot, and have a good day.

Speaker 7 (02:13:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:13:14):
So to his point, and I'm glad he brought that up,
because that reminds me of something else. We were talking
about why equals m X plus b earlier. So I
think I can answer this question by using that formula
once again. And it's not the only formula then, it's
only one of the elementary what we call it elementary
functions Why equals m X plus b. There's also why
equals axquare plus b, X plus c, and so on
and so forth. But if we understand these types of formulasm,

(02:13:38):
we are conditioned from an early age to think algebraically
and have algebraic thinking, which is by you know, I
want to also say this, algebraic thinking is one of
the domains on every standardized math test that children all
across this country will take that they're being judged and
measured on. So that shows the importance of it. Right,

(02:14:00):
It's about cause and effect. Cause and effect. A lot
of us don't really understand cause and effect, and this
is why we blame certain things for outcomes that are
not actually the cause. Right, A lot of times we
may say, okay, there's gun violence in the black community.

(02:14:21):
The knee jerk reaction often is, well, blame the parents.
These parents should do better. Now, I'm not saying that
parents are above critique. I'm not saying that parents, you know,
can't possibly do better. But let's also go deeper and
look at the Okay, what's the cause. Okay, Well, maybe
this parent is working two jobs or three jobs because

(02:14:44):
they got to keep a roof for of everybody's head.
You know, maybe there was a factory or job that
it used to be in the community that they could
walk to or get to in a certain short period
of time so that it was less travel time involved
to get to the job. That factory got closed down
because the corporation wanted to make more profit. Corporation left
the community. So now they got to catch a bus

(02:15:06):
two hours they ran back. That's four hours in travel
time to work an eight hour shift. And then it's
difficult to be able to spend quality time with your children.
And then we say, well, why did when and why
did the corporation lead? Well, the corporation left because monetary
policy and fiscal policy in the federal government. They said, well,
we're gonna raise interest rates. And because the interest rates

(02:15:27):
were raised. Now that led to this, which led to that,
which led to that. So when we're thinking mathematically and algebraically,
we start to think, well, damn, maybe it's not just
black mothers that could do better. Maybe it's not just
black fathers that.

Speaker 4 (02:15:40):
Could do better.

Speaker 9 (02:15:41):
Maybe this is much deeper. But you see how like
the general narrative they liked for us to subscribe to
that general narrative of just well, she's this is blain
black people, whatever it is. Let's just blame black people
for whatever it is. Right, Let's never go deeper than that.
Let's never look at it like, you know, it could
be something. Another situation, a circumstance that's influencing the bad

(02:16:02):
behavior or the behavior that should be improved. Right because
in part because we don't understand mathematics and we're never
to how to think mathematically because the math is seen.
And that's why it's so important for them to condition
us to believe that math is irrelevant. Because it's so relevant,
we got to stay away from it no matter what.

(02:16:23):
We got to stay away from it. Like when you
look when you look at the background information I mentioned
standardized testament, when we're the you look at the background
information and what the purpose of certain problems is. It's
a means of measuring the student's ability to use math,
use mathematics for problem solving. So if millions of black

(02:16:45):
children can become problem solvers, this country will collapse. Because
as Amos Wilson said, and I said this several times
on your program called Like, Amos Wilson was very accurate
when he said that the problems of the black community
represent a multi billion dollars industry. So those problems have
to be maintained at all costs. So we can't please
black children how to be problems solve, how to solve

(02:17:07):
their individual or collective the collective problems of the black
community at all causes, and we got to and what
has to happen is you have to you have to
configure things in a way where it seems as though
you're not actually actively you know, creating circumstances in an
environment where they wouldn't be able to problem solve. So

(02:17:28):
we have to convince you that you shouldn't want to
be a problem solver, that it's not cool, that it's
not worth your time, it's not worth your energy. So
that's that's just that's one example. A lot of many,
you know, understanding cause and effect, and a lot of
times we conflate causes with effects. And that's why it
was m expos to B. Why is the result or

(02:17:49):
the dependent variable access the independent variable actually the cause?

Speaker 4 (02:17:53):
Right?

Speaker 9 (02:17:54):
So these are these are things that we got to
look at. So we're looking at problems in our community.
If we look at them through a mass medical lens,
we'll get a different perspective on them and it might
even give us some more optimism about our ability to
potentially solve the problems. That's another thing too, because a
lot of us feel so defeated, so beat down. Oh
what was me I can't do nothing about this. You know,

(02:18:16):
we just got to you know, just try to get by.
But not we do have we do have opportunities. There
is a reason for optimism. But again, it's about looking
at things through a mathematical lens. When we look at
things to a mathematical lens, then you know we've developed
some different perspectives.

Speaker 1 (02:18:33):
Right and hold that thought right there? Brother, Okay, we
gotta take a short breadcase. Our stations can identify themselves
down the line. I'm still got a bunch of folks,
got questions for you, sugar, and shut up on the answers.
I appreciate it. Family is four minutes away from the top.
They you got to step aside As I mentioned, I
guess is at Kill Parker he's the math guru on
this program is all anything to do with math. He
says that math is the basis of everything that we do,

(02:18:54):
and he's proven this point. What are your thoughts eight
hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to seven six?
Cut you in, take your phone calls next and grind
rising family. I guess there's a math grew at Kill
Parker is showing us how math. It just permeates everything
that we do on this planet. Eight four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and speak to your brother
Akil Ubdills checking in from Baltimore's on line three. Grand Rising, abdullit,

(02:19:16):
you're on with brother Akil Grand Rising.

Speaker 17 (02:19:19):
Grand Rising. Thank you so much for for your comments.
I so wish I had a teacher like you at
some helpful point in my studies. I have a brief comment,
a testimony, and a question.

Speaker 10 (02:19:32):
The comment is that with math, I now know.

Speaker 17 (02:19:36):
That if you don't get certain basics, then everything after
that is over.

Speaker 9 (02:19:42):
The jig is up.

Speaker 17 (02:19:43):
You're not just going to get serious when it comes
to trigonometry if you didn't get certain basics. My testimony
is I know exactly when the wheels came off for me.
It was in the third grade when I did not
master the timetables. From there it it was all the
struggle throughout all my studies. I celebrated after the second

(02:20:05):
year of college as a political science major, when I
completed all my math requirements, which at that point at
that time was only algebra two. I celebrated because I
knew that there was no math on the lsat There
was no math I was going to face in law school,
and I did not face any math on the bar exam.
My question is is it worth it to try to

(02:20:30):
go back with adults and say, okay, you missed this
point and maybe have some you know, corpses like almost
like those ged kind of courses that go back and
teach as adults exactly what they missed so that they
can kind of, you know, come up and understand math
in the beautiful way that you understand it.

Speaker 9 (02:20:52):
Well, I thank you for your questions, So I would say,
you know, unequivocally, yes, it's definitely worth it. And for
many reasons. The one reason is that it will it
will it will affect and influence how you view the world.
Being able to quantify information you know and and and
you know and even conceptually you know conceptually you may

(02:21:14):
like you know, see the world in a different way. Also,
as members of the community, as elders, I think that
it's important for us to always be able to educate
young people and help young people with their studies and
their their own development. So if we become mad scholars,
you know, because one of one of the things I
talk about is that I think about man Jamil al

(02:21:34):
of Me formerly known as h Rab Brown shout up
to him political prisoner. One of his quotes, any institution
that you do not control will be weaponized against you.
And public schools we do not control, charter schools, starter schools,
we do not control. Most private schools we don't control.
Those institutions are often weaponized against us. So therefore, I
think a solution to that state of affairs is school

(02:21:56):
has to become a space for practice, practicing skills that
our children are learning in the home and in the community.
The only way that can happen is Okay, now, in
my community, I need to learn trigonometry on my block,
on my corner. I need to learn trigonometry in the
rect center, in the monstria, in the church, in my house,
in the dining room, in the basement, and the living room, whatever.
I need to learn it from people in the community.

(02:22:17):
Those people in the community are the elders. So the elders,
if they never learned it before, they have to learn
it now. And that's why we have to create resources.
That's why when I come up to this program, I
talk about my YouTube channel, the All This Math YouTube channel.
We now have over a thousand videos, a thousand tutorial
videos and all areas of math, going from arithmetic up
to calculus, where the elderly going there and learn all

(02:22:42):
of the math that they may have never learned in
the past. So that we can help educate the children,
so that we don't have to be fully reliant upon
the public schools, the charter schools, and even the private
schools that we don't control. And then they can go
the children can go into the schools in practice what
they've learned from the community and the community members, right,
so that will increase their performance as well, because a

(02:23:03):
lot of times children feel overwhelmed when they're going into
a classroom and they're seeing something for the first time.
And to the brother's point, also, math is so cumulative.
It's so cumulative. You can't just one day, Oh I'm
in eleventh grade. Now I think I'm gonna start paying attention.
Let's start doing some trigonometry. If you didn't learn algebra one,
if you didn't learn the geometry, if you have a
weak foundation and arithmetic, you're done for I'm gonna say

(02:23:26):
ninety nine percent of the time, you're done for it. Right,
it's cumulative. You've got to like building a house, you
got to have a strong foundation. You gotta have that,
and a lot of a lot of a lot of people,
adults even do not have our multiplication facts memorized. I'm
a fierce advocate of us memorizing multiplication facts. Also knowing
and understanding the conceptual meaning of why nine times two

(02:23:49):
is eighteen and how nine times two relates to nine
times for I'm with all that too, and also the
relationship between addition and multiplication. But we gotta, we gotta
know multiplication facts. That's the foundation, because that leads to
so many other things that will encounter in mathematics. And
another thing I want to say about that is, you know,
this whole approach of as a community us learning mathematics

(02:24:10):
as elders and as adults because it's never too late.
It's similar to you know this listen and audience is
very familiar with that as a concept because a lot
of us did that children. You know, we were around
in the Black Power movement and then the Afrocentric schools movement,
and we understood the value of learning African history, learning
African American history on our own so that we could

(02:24:30):
teach our children these things in the home, because we
knew they were going to be exposed to lies and
falsehood when they got into the public school system in
the history classes and in the English classes and the
liberal arts classes. We can do the same thing in
terms of mathematics. If we were able to teach our
children about you know, our African ancestry in the home.
We're able to teach our children about slave rebellions in

(02:24:52):
the home, because we knew they wasn't gonna learn about
that in school. If we were able to teach our
children about the truth about Christopher Columbus, the truth about
George Washington and all these other press in that with
slave holders, if we were able to do that, we
should also be able to learn the calculus and the
trigonometry in the algebra in the home, and to be
able to teach our children in the home so that
when when they go to school, they can just practice

(02:25:13):
what we've already taught them. So we've been doing it.
We just have to apply that approach that we took
to history, our history, and apply it to mathematics. And
you know, the Amos Wilsons, of Francis crous Wilsons and
everybody else, all.

Speaker 1 (02:25:30):
Right, and brother kill you, sugar, wanted to talk to you.
I apologize for those folks who didn't get on, but
you guys got to call it earlier because we've got
another guest on deck at kil How come folks reach here,
especially the folks who can get to talk to you
this morning.

Speaker 9 (02:25:43):
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(02:26:04):
All this math, everything is all this math, you know,
subscribe to the YouTube channel. Share the YouTube channel. You
can go to the YouTube channel. Learn the math that
you need to learn that your children need to learn,
you know, and you learn you learn some black history
on there as well, you know, like for.

Speaker 1 (02:26:19):
Those who have children who are struggling with math. Is
this a good option?

Speaker 7 (02:26:23):
It's an excellent option.

Speaker 9 (02:26:25):
That's that's my biased opinion, but it's an excellent option.

Speaker 1 (02:26:29):
All right. I got another question for you to just
call in the studio. What what your YouTube channel can
repeat that again for yes.

Speaker 9 (02:26:36):
All three words, all this math, all this math on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
All right, thanks to Keil. Thank you for shait and
your thoughts for this this morning, and thank you for
being on the front line there because you know, a
lot of people have this phobia about mathematics, and as
you're quite rightly stated, our answers is invented mathematics, so
we shouldn't be afraid of it. But thank you for
sharing your thoughts for us this morning.

Speaker 9 (02:26:59):
Definitely I here anyway I can.

Speaker 1 (02:27:01):
All right this brother kil Parker out of Philadelphia, turn
our attention out to our next guest that doctor Jason
Anthony Pandagrass he's joining us. Doctor Jason is a license
to mental health counselor Doctor Jason. Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 3 (02:27:14):
Oh, good morning, brother Carl. Thank you for having me, sir,
Well helllp.

Speaker 1 (02:27:18):
Us here at doctor Jason. Because this is this myth
of black men. Our brothers do not support our children,
We're not in our children's lives, and they throw up
a whole bunch of numbers and saying that you know
and the different reasons why you know some of them
that's based on the fact they say we're animalistic we're
not we're not humans, so we don't take care of
our offspring. Break that down for us at Doctor Panda Grass.

Speaker 3 (02:27:42):
Oh man, that's so much to break down. I definitely
would love to see those numbers. As far as what
was the argument. You know, I live, I live with
I live with facts, I speak facts, and you know,
being a clinician and Carl, you know the work I do,
especially with black men, I probably had one of the
busiest caseloads in the country. So first thing, first and foremost,
I know black men are stepping it up because they're

(02:28:04):
coming to therapy. And that's something that I've shared before
on your show. Back in twenty twenty, I was I
think black men made up about twenty percent of my
client base. Today it's up to like forty five percent.
I'm forty to forty five percent. They're coming in, they're
coming into therapy, but they're not just coming in. They're
the ones making a phone call, you know, to the therapist.

(02:28:25):
Instead of having the wife, the girlfriend, the mom, the
auntie you reach out, they're reaching out for help. So
you know, when I hear this conversation about you know,
black men as father's actually all the numbers I look
at reflects the opposite that fathers. Black fathers are more
active than ever before in their kids' life. I mean
since the nineteen seventies. Right now, it's reported that forty

(02:28:49):
seven point five percent of black children live without a
resident father. That's the lowest point since the nineteen seventies.
We're seeing all these different movements and all these organizations
out there that are you know, in formed about being
fathers and teaching men how to be in community with
one another, build with one another, you know, just build

(02:29:10):
these networks in these systems. So I'm really interested to
have this conversation. And when you guys reached out about
the topic, I was like, Okay, this is gonna be
interesting because everything I'm seeing is opposite of that, and
I think we're still fighting those those stereotypes. We're still
fighting those old belief systems, which even those are skewed.
And when you really look into those type of situations,

(02:29:31):
you see the reasons. You see what black men were
facing and the reasons they weren't actively present or you know,
at least reported to be actively present with their children.

Speaker 1 (02:29:43):
Let me just so, she mentioned seeing a surge of
black men coming in to see you now, because at
one time it was a stigma in the community if
you needed help to see somebody like yourself, a counselor.
Is there a general theme that you're hearing from the
brothers who who are coming in to see you, doc?

Speaker 3 (02:30:01):
Uh, you know called they're doing favorite? Can you repeat
that last part of the question.

Speaker 1 (02:30:04):
Yeah, is a general theme that you see for these
young these one are they older? They're younger? And two
is a general issue that they have.

Speaker 3 (02:30:15):
You know, there's no one size for it all when
it comes to issues and problems. So you know, you
start to see patterns, and I definitely recognize some of
the patterns. But we're talking about my youngest male client
right now, a black male client I think is eight
years old, actually six years old.

Speaker 1 (02:30:31):
So I have.

Speaker 3 (02:30:32):
Teenagers coming in, young adults, and older men coming in.
The older men a little slower to come in, but
the younger generation they're coming in and you know, they
want therapy. They're not being forced anymore. They're not being told, hey,
you need to go see a therapist because you know,
you got issues. They're recognizing the instabilities, they're recognizing the

(02:30:54):
traumas that they haven't healed from and all the wounds
that they're walking around with. So, you know, I'm just
proud to be a black man. I'm proud to be
a father, especially to see this. This is something I
never expected. Honestly, I hope for, I hoped him, prayed for,
but it didn't look like we was moving in that
right direction. But definitely they are coming in, and they
are coming in, you know, unafraid and unashamed.

Speaker 1 (02:31:18):
A family just checking in twelve after To top that
with our guess. He's a licensed and mental health counselor.
His name is doctor Jason Anthony Pendergrast and doctor Jason,
you mentioned that you had a patient as young as
eight years old. What kind of issues I'm forgiven for
being naive, but what kind of issues cand of eight
year old have or recognized and knows that he needs
some sort of help.

Speaker 3 (02:31:39):
Well, you know, fortunately, self esteem, self confidence, it's something
that we're seeing it with younger clients. Of course, behavioral
issues and peer pressure and you know, school related issues.
There's a lot of bullying that's happening, but you know
it's just you know, parents are saying, hey, you know,
we're seeing some behavioral issues we're seeing some lying, We're

(02:32:00):
seeing some questionable behaviors, and then you start to look
into it and you find out these kids are dealing
with depression. They're anxious, they're worried, they're stressed out, They
don't you know, they feel like nobody's listening to them.
You know, everybody's telling them what to do, but nobody's
guiding them how to do it. So it varies, but

(02:32:21):
you know, I definitely have an influx of young clients
coming in more than ever.

Speaker 1 (02:32:27):
That is interesting. Did you think the schooling has something
to do with it? Because many times that when they
go to classes these days on talking about how how
folks teacher does not look like them, especially in the
public school system. Is that an issue you're hearing about.

Speaker 3 (02:32:41):
Oh yeah, I talk about that quite often. You know
when I when I meet with the parents, you know,
after we do a consultation, we do an intake with
the parents and we really talk about some of the
factors just to make them aware of And you know,
if I'm dealing with the you know, single mom with
the young black male, you know, I'm asking about, okay,

(02:33:02):
where are the where are the men at in his life?
Or does he play any sports. Does he have any coaches? Teachers?

Speaker 7 (02:33:10):
That's a big issue.

Speaker 3 (02:33:11):
There's just not enough male teachers period, but as far
as black male teachers, so they're not really getting the
chance to really you know, have those moments, especially those
you know in a school and that type of setting
where you're being educated. So that is a huge issue.
That's something that needs to be addressed and fixed. I
think it really does benefit black mails when they actually

(02:33:34):
get to encounter with teachers that look like them. Obviously,
I think that is a huge thing. You got to
give schools credit. I mean, they're they're working on tight budgets,
they're they're overworked, understaff, teachers are not getting what they
obviously need to be paid. So you know, we have
to stop looking at the schools to fix our kids problem.
That's an in house thing. You know, we got to

(02:33:56):
make sure we put in the work in house and
we're dealing with these issues and not you know, expect
the schools to you know, raise our kids or to
discipline our kids or you know, we got to take
that on ourselves.

Speaker 1 (02:34:08):
All right, hold u though, right then we come back though,
tell us about their entertainment, their music, because earlier this week,
we had a brother come on and he was saying
that the music is influencing our children, you know with
the cuss words. You know, it is calling it the
B word, the N word, and they just usually just
you know, interchangeably like nothing's new and thinks that's part
of the problem. We have violence in our community. So

(02:34:29):
I'll let you flesh that out when we get back.
Family YouTube can join our conversation. I guess doctor Jason
Anthony Penograss, he's a license mental health counselor, is what
he sees the people. Most of his clients are are
people and they have varying issues and he deals with
them on a one on one basis. What are your thoughts?
Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six number of the calls speak to doctor Jason will

(02:34:50):
take your calls next and grind rising. Family, thanks to
staying with us on this Wednesday morning. It's a hump day.
We're half of through of the work week with our guests,
doctor Jason Anthony penographs. Doctor Jason is a license and
mental health counselor. And before the breakdown, my question to you,
because we had a guest earlier this week and says
something that, well, at least one of the reasons, and
he thinks it's the main reason. It's the entertainment is

(02:35:10):
confusing our young people, the kind of music they listen to,
the kind of videos they watch, and they try to
they try to relive that what they see in these
videos and the music that's being played that turns them around.
I want to get your thoughts is that Do you
see that as an issue?

Speaker 4 (02:35:26):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:35:27):
Absolutely, absolutely. Music has always been a mirror and a messenger.
You know, when it comes to the community, it reflects
what's happening in the community. You know, for black men,
hip hop and R and B, it's just not about entertainment.
It's about identity, emotion, and even even more codes. So yeah,
music is absolutely influential.

Speaker 15 (02:35:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:35:48):
The thing is is it building building us up or
is it breaking us down? And from what you're talking
about and what I'm seeing, you know, it's definitely doing both.
It has the potential to do both. That's how powerful
music is. I mean, it shapes our emotional regulation. It
helps us with coping mechanisms. I mean, even relationship expectations

(02:36:08):
can come from music from a song. So just the
way a gospel song can U lift somebody, A drill
track can just you know, validate pain or aggression or
anger that you know, we're definitely facing in the black community.
So absolutely, one thousand percent, music is influencing the culture
and our young.

Speaker 1 (02:36:29):
Brothers twenty one after Tough. So the question begs, now,
how do we you know, how do we get them
to appreciate the difference. There's all kinds of music out there.
There's positive hip hop, you're probably that generation hip hop
rap generation. How do we get them to listen to
the positive ones? And how do we get them to
ignore the ones that are destructed? And I'll just add
they said, you know, I've spoken to young people about

(02:36:51):
this and they say that they don't even hear the
curse words. You know, it's just another word to them.
Is that where we're now well, and we'll use the
N word as an example for them, it's a term
of endearment. For us, it's as a negative connotation. And
if so, how do we how do we reverse that
or should we?

Speaker 10 (02:37:10):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:37:10):
Man, you know that that's something that's that's pretty deep
right now? How to reverse that that that's a that's
a good question. I mean, you got you got a
little white kids walking around call themselves in word to
each other. So it's it's it's definitely has uh, you know,
transcended as far as you know what the word means
and how it impacts people. You know, going back to

(02:37:32):
what you had mentioned before just about the music piece,
you know, it's it's a blueprint for who we are.
You know, we often communicate through through through music and
you know, just uh, it really starts at home. It
goes back to home once again, because we we got
to take leadership of our homes. Kids are going to

(02:37:53):
enjoy what they're around, what influences them. So if you're
not offering you know, different options, different types of genres
or even Christian hip hop or faith based hip hop
is you know, it's you know, I played for my kids.

Speaker 10 (02:38:07):
They love it.

Speaker 3 (02:38:08):
They can't tell the difference. Of course, there's no curse
words and or you know, b wards or anything like that.
So we can't control what our kids are going to
experiense once they step out the home. They're going to
be influenced by peers, by society, by the culture. But
at least we can do something, you know, we got
to make sure we take it back to the house,
and we're opening up these opportunities and different options. And yeah,

(02:38:31):
it really starts back with you know, how do we
influence our kids? Though we start at home?

Speaker 1 (02:38:37):
They speak about home in twenty three minutes out of
the tough of that with doctor Jason Anthony Panagras, Doctor Jason,
I've spoken to with parents and children, and they the
parents sould do what the children are doing. That's how
they learn. They smoke, we they get high together. They drink.
This guy's telling me the first time he sipped the
bears his dad gave him. It was like nine years old.

(02:38:58):
His dad, Hey, man, drink this and make you a man.
How do we how do we kind of program that
if that's what the image of the getting at home
they're doing at home with their children. Obviously once to
get on the street, they're going to be doing the
same thing. So how do we change that around or
should we?

Speaker 3 (02:39:15):
Yeah, absolutely, we get we got we gotta change some
things around. So uh, giving given given beer as a kid,
I remember my dad used to do that, but not
not you know, not every day, but every now and then.
I do remember that. And you know, I think a
lot of fathers will do that, but obviously, what what
type of example are you saying, And when it comes
down to it, you know, you don't, they don't You

(02:39:37):
don't need to do that for them to see the
impact of drugs and alcohol. They see it everywhere from
when they turn on the TV to when they step out.
I mean, I'm hearing stories of you know, kids in
school eight nine years old in the bathroom vaping and
smoking and just doing all kinds of just behaviors that
you know, when we were that age, we just had
no just recollection of just just there was no way

(02:40:00):
we're going to get into those type of things. But
it's so prevalent now, it's so accessible now, and you know,
it's hard to fight what they encounter when they step
out into the world. The best thing we could do
is make sure we provide a safe home base, a
good environment. We are constantly affirming them. You know, a

(02:40:22):
lot of the behavior that I'm seeing with clients is
the need to be liked, is the need to be validated,
is to need to be accepted. So they're constantly seeking
this self acceptance from others, which you know, if you're
doing what you need to be doing at home, and
you're in power these young brothers, and you're just speaking
to them in affirming ways and just making sure they

(02:40:44):
know their value so when they step out to that world,
they're not trying to seek it through others.

Speaker 1 (02:40:50):
I haven't said that. Twenty five after the top of day, Doc,
How do we get this message across too? Of the
adults in their lives? How do we reach them? Many
of them probably won't want to hear this message because
that's what they used to and I want to describe
it as the genitive. But what we're talking about did
showing smoke and getting high with your children, you know,

(02:41:12):
get drinking and having at these are you know, young
adults or teenagers, And so how do we get that
message across because obviously some of these folks missed the
parenting class.

Speaker 3 (02:41:23):
Yeah, well, you know, people don't make changes until they
start seeing the impact of the lack of change, you know.
So when I think about, you know, how do we
tell a parent to be mindful aware of these behaviors
because it can lead to this, Well, we have to
show them what happens. We have to actually be able
to show them the consequences. And there's a lot of

(02:41:45):
evidence of that right now. You don't have to look
far to see what's going on with these young kids.
And you know, a case that I heard about, not
not on the news, but as a clinician because you know,
we were talking. This is in Cleveland. A young I
believe ten year old girl was taken to like a
wooded area and assaulted and just beaten and left for dead.

(02:42:07):
And from what I understand, some of these kids were
maybe as young as six, six or ten years old
they did this. So you know what's going on here,
you know what's going on in our communities. So it's
a collective effort. We got to get back to the community.
And that's what I'm seeing as well with black men,
is that they're forming organizations as built on getting giving

(02:42:27):
back to the community, protecting the community, protecting black women,
protecting these young brothers and sisters.

Speaker 15 (02:42:34):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:42:35):
So I'm seeing those trends. I'm seeing these organizations pop
up all over the country, and they're doing a lot
of work. They're putting the money with them outeds. So
it's you know, parents, it's it's one of those things
where if you don't do something, something's going to be done,
and it's it's better up to be up to you

(02:42:55):
than to leave it to the streets, because the streets
will not care about your kids. It was true them up,
spit them out, and just wait for the next victim.

Speaker 1 (02:43:04):
Twenty eight minutes after the top of that with I
guess there's a licensed mental health counselor as a clinician,
doctor Jason Anthony Panogras. We're especially talking about black men.
There's a report myth out there that black men don't
support the children. We're talking about the entire household. But
doctor Jason, the internet, because you mentioned too about the
group in Cleveland and what they did and why they

(02:43:25):
did it. Is all this for likes you because you're
saying that people come to see you that they want
to be liked. So it's just why we're seeing an
uptick of crazy stuff on the Internet where people just
doing it just to get likes, or are they getting
paid for.

Speaker 4 (02:43:37):
It or what?

Speaker 1 (02:43:38):
How do you see it?

Speaker 3 (02:43:39):
Yeah, well, I think it's a combination. I mean, I
don't know, you know, people are really making that kind
of money on the Internet.

Speaker 9 (02:43:44):
I'm sure some.

Speaker 3 (02:43:45):
People are for their posts and all that, but for
likes and followers. I mean, that seems to be the
thing right now and people are doing anything whatever it
takes to get those likes and follows. But even Austin
and that, we're still seeing that in schools and the
way they're behaving. And you know, the bullying thing has

(02:44:05):
always you know, I'm the bully, I'm the cool kid.
I'm you know, people people either fear me or like me,
you know, so we're seeing so much bullying. The cyber
bullying is a major thing. You know, these uh, these
young brothers are just not equipped to deal with that.
And you know, you gotta have a you gotta have
a strong base. You gotta have parents that are not

(02:44:28):
afraid to talk to you, not afraid to you know,
pour into you and really spend time with you and
connect with you. Kids tell me in session that I'm
afraid to talk to my parents. I'm afraid to tell
them anything because immediately there's criticism, Immediately there's blame, and
there's some form of punishment. So you know, they've they've
relegated to just not saying anything and hey, you know

(02:44:51):
how you doing today? They're like, oh, I'm good. They're
not diving into what's really going on. So when they
come into therapy, you know they'll know, hey, you're you're
you're safe here. Everything you tell me is confidential, of
course with certain exceptions, and you start to hear about
these things that they're dealing with, and uh, you know,
just sitting down with the parent and letting them know, hey,

(02:45:12):
there's a wall, there's a barrier that your child sees
when it comes to communicated with you. Let's work together
to take that water.

Speaker 1 (02:45:21):
Got you thirty minutes A tough ver. That guest you Jason,
Anthony and pandagraph Ja is joining us from Ohio Online.

Speaker 17 (02:45:28):
One Grand Rising j Jason, Yes, sir grand Rising.

Speaker 18 (02:45:34):
A couple of quick things. I was gonna say I
as a link, I feel my generation is between the
very old and then these young folks out here with
the way they are. I would just say that in
word argument that stuff we way pasted all of that.
So I'm just kind of just letting y'all know, like

(02:45:56):
folks that still something else should we or should we know?
I use the invert I can't even express the y'all
how behind that is? We are pat that it's about
what people are consuming and what people think of themselves
and how they devalue life. So that's just an antidote
I will put there. But the real reason for my
call though is, you know, people always talk about therapy

(02:46:21):
and the gentleman that your guests that's on right now,
I'm sure he's aware of this, but how they're always
saying food deserts, Well, they're a black therapist desert as he.
I'm sure you keep getting not acknowledge that, but I
feel like that should be a greater part of the
conversation because when people are talking about getting helped, generally speaking,

(02:46:45):
not you, they're always saying it's time for us.

Speaker 19 (02:46:47):
To be open to therapy. Get therapy, get therapy. They
say that, But you can't talk about this anymore without
acknowledging there are enough and we're not funneling people into
that field so that maybe eventually there can be enough.
And and on the way out, I would just say particularly,
I mean, there's not enough black therapists at all. But

(02:47:09):
on the black mail front, let me just say I
had a loved one who I was kind of staying
based on a lot of things, like I don't think
it would be a bad idea to try to talk
to someone you know, Da da da. When that person
went looking, they couldn't And I'll just say, I'm in
a Midwest town in Ohio. They could not find one

(02:47:30):
black male therapist that they could see, and especially that
would accept any insurance because you know, you all have
some other challenges with being able to take that state
insurance and things like that.

Speaker 18 (02:47:43):
So I'd love to hear you speak to that, and
I'll wait and I'll take that call off the year
since I'm having them get ready to drive. So thank
you so much.

Speaker 3 (02:47:52):
Wow, that was my day right there. So yeah, let's
first talk about that because this is something I advocate for,
and Carl, you've heard me talk about this on the
show before. Yes, I know I'm an anomaly. I know
there are not enough black clinicians period. I think the

(02:48:16):
last time I checked, the number is like sixty seven
percent of all the therapists clinicians are black, and out
of the six percent, I think one out of six
are black males. So yeah, there's a big problem. And
as more black men are coming into therapy more, as
more black teens and adolescents are coming into therapy, they

(02:48:39):
thrive when the representation is there, when they can see
themselves in the clinician and you know, it's one of
those things where I was getting to the point where
you have to say, no, I can't keep taking on
more clients. My caseload is insane, sometimes twelve averaging ten
to twelve clients a day. And it's because of that,

(02:49:00):
because you know, it's being being a black commission is
one thing, but being a good black condition, well, hey,
that's that's another thing. So it's it is an issue.
It's something that I and she said the word funnel.
I'm so glad she said that because that's something that
I really have a heart for and my goal is
to develop some type of pipeline. Well we can start

(02:49:22):
getting young, but it's into this counseling space just to
whether it's psycho education or whether it's just knowing about
this industry that that death definitely needs representation to you know,
find ways in different programs, whether in middle schools or
high schools, to start learning about this profession. It's it's

(02:49:42):
it's dire, it's something that needs to be addressed. It
needs to be done. And yeah, absolutely, one thousand percent
everything she said, it's spot on. We need more black
clinicians so thank you for that comment. That was amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:49:56):
All right, twenty five way from the top, that what
made you go into this field?

Speaker 3 (02:50:02):
You know, I say, I didn't choose this profession, that
chose me. And you know, I am a man of faith,
so I know a man plans the steps, but the
Lord directs his path. And then I think this is
a true depiction of that. I just never in a
million years wanted to ever sit and listen to other
people's issues or problems.

Speaker 5 (02:50:23):
I got my own.

Speaker 3 (02:50:24):
And it's just, you know, just the mindset that me
growing up as a as a young black male like
I would never consider to me it was just a
white professional therapists, white people who shrinks and and all
that stuff. And then you know, you get into this
space and you see the ability, the power, the power
that you can use to really impact people and people listen.

(02:50:48):
You know, when these young brothers come in and they see,
you know, a black male in this space, you know,
in a suit and professional, it's more than a therapy.
It's about that representation that matters. They need to see
those those examples and what happens we get to build
a relationship. This is a therapeutic relationship that's formed, So

(02:51:08):
it's there's intimacy involved, there's counsel there's guidance, but there's
also a positive representation of you know, of who they are.
So it's so important and we definitely need to do
our part and tell parents, you know, hey, talk to
your children about psychology, about counseling. Maybe that's something they

(02:51:31):
can explore because mental health counseling is scheduled to be
one of the fastest growing.

Speaker 1 (02:51:37):
Hello, yeah, yeah, I'll let you vince you tho. I
know the music put you off from it, right, Let's
stay right and David and DC as a question or
comment for you as well, family, you two can join
our conversation with our guess, doctor Jason Anthony Panagrash. You
can reach them at eight hundred four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.
Next a grind rising family, thanks for rolling with us

(02:52:00):
on this Wednesday morning, eighteen minutes away from the top
of that hour. That guest licensed mental health counselors is
doctor Jason Anthony Pandograds. He's a clinician and he deals
with our people, especially young people, young men, young males
who has issues and they looking for a person looks
like them to sort those issues, and they go to
doctor Jason anyway, doctor Jason. David call Us from Washington

(02:52:23):
DC's online to Grand Rising David with doctor Jason Anthony.

Speaker 5 (02:52:27):
Yes, Doctor Jason and mister Nelson, thank you for all
that you too and are doing. I am a seventy
seven year old man, and as a young man, I
spent time at hut and Joanna, a prison on a
weapons violation.

Speaker 6 (02:52:45):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:52:46):
I had to be embarrassed as a young man to
change my behavior what I do with alone, with everything
that you are during, doctor, some of the people have
to be shock. We can't have community without law. Young
people running around wilding up, I would suggest, And I

(02:53:09):
grew up in the South. I saw same gangs. I
saw people working on the road. Along with everything that
you're doing, I would suggest certain elements some of these
young men need to be shown the shocks of life
at an early age to say, hey, I'm going to
turn my life around. Not everybody. I was one of those.

(02:53:34):
Subsequently I got out, got a degree in chemistry, etc.
All I'm saying is, along with that approach, also consider
bringing these young violators back into our community so that
kids can see them with their behavior, put them around
the schools, let them clean up, go to get their peers,

(02:53:57):
or say hey, I'm going down that road. And thank you,
gentlemen for taking Mike Paul.

Speaker 1 (02:54:05):
All right, thank you David, doc your thoughts on that method.

Speaker 3 (02:54:10):
Yeah, I couldn't catch everything that he was saying, but
I'm basically getting that the younger generation needs to be
shown the consequences of poor decisions, poor poor choices. And
that's kind of what I've said with the parents as well.
Just you know, some don't know because they haven't experienced yet.

(02:54:30):
But you don't have to go that far to see
what's going on in the world today. So you know,
some of the things that you mentioned, you know, that's
that's something I don't touch as far as you know
what people who have been locked up or done things before,
you know, as far as you know how they're now
being used in society. I definitely am in agreement with

(02:54:54):
him that, you know, sometimes you know, we need a
little slap in the face sometimes, you know, something has
to happen before we wake up. But we don't want
that to be the way we learn that we don't
want that to be a pattern. But unfortunately, if we're
not getting the leadership the mentorship from home, you know,

(02:55:16):
we're gonna have to make some mistakes and learn from that. So,
you know, it's a collective effort. It's just not the parent,
it's the community, it's the teachers, just to really be
about these children and to support them through these different
stages of development. And that's the thing people have to understand.

(02:55:38):
We go through multiple stages of development, and at certain stages,
certain elements become more important. The stage I deal with
with young people, it's the twelfth to twenty one stage
of development. This is known as identity versus confusion. The
stage is identified as a time where kids will start
to distance themselves from their parents, their friends, and their peers,

(02:55:59):
become more or relevant, become more important. The conversations are shorter,
and as you know, parents tell me I'm losing my baby.
Uh yeah, you're not losing them. They're just going through
this stage of development, which you need to support and
be aware of. So there's a lot of things that
I think we can learn as parents. It's it's an
ongoing process. We never stop learning because they keep going

(02:56:21):
through different stages, but we got to keep up with them.
We got to make sure they know that we're buy
them step by step along this journey.

Speaker 1 (02:56:29):
Gotcha fourteen away from the top of that, We're let's
go to Pittsburgh Freedom Bridges waiting for us online one
Grand Rising Freedom Bridge. I went doctor Pendergrast, Grand Rising.

Speaker 10 (02:56:39):
My question, do you hello, Grand Riseing? My question is
like what you're saying, that we've been miseducated, mainly lied to.
I think that the church should have a time where
we do repair. We should repair everything we've been taught

(02:57:00):
and prepare ourselves for everything that's ahead of us for
our children, because you me, all of us, we've been
lied to since we got here. We've been living in
a system that had no benefit for our future. That's
why we're sitting there talking about our kids where the
group always only group that talks about our kids killing
each other, just respecting each other, because we haven't stopped

(02:57:22):
doing or changed what we've been born into this system.
And if we can have the churches and the preachers
take down the white pictures and put up black images
of who we are, you can't expect your children to
respect you when they can go now on the internet,
research as groups whatever and see that they've been lied
to about Columbus and who discovered America. We're afraid to

(02:57:44):
tell our press or what you have done to us.
So do you think the church could have like people
like yourself come in and seat of Sunday school lies
and have you come in and we talk and discuss
what we've been through minimally? M yes, yes, we need
a community thing here.

Speaker 3 (02:58:05):
Absolutely that that's a that's an amazing question on so
many different levels. I mean, first of all, absolutely, the
church has to be a big voice in this movement.

Speaker 10 (02:58:17):
And they asked you one question before you go on
one before you got to go ahead, didn't you?

Speaker 7 (02:58:21):
You and me?

Speaker 10 (02:58:22):
Didn't the church get us Mama and dad? Mom or
dad made us go to what to church? It was
forced the ponts. So why can't they reverse it now
and say you, here's what we're going to reverse this
and repair ourselves on what we've been taught to give you,
which is a lot. You were sent to church up
by me. I'm teventy five years old.

Speaker 17 (02:58:43):
I was taught that.

Speaker 10 (02:58:46):
That white man was my God. That's got to be
reversed and these black.

Speaker 16 (02:58:50):
Preachers got to change it.

Speaker 12 (02:58:52):
They used.

Speaker 10 (02:58:54):
Religion to take it back.

Speaker 3 (02:58:56):
Thank you, Hey, I'm so glad he mentioned that, because
I definitely wanted to talk about that. A lot of
information is coming out now and now you're looking to
see why all that di stuff and that was going
on with them trying to hide information. They knew this
was coming. So there was a lot of information that

(02:59:16):
actually is empowering a lot of black people today knowing that, yes,
we were lied to a lot of the stories and
the Bible was whitewashed, you know, knowing that majority of
the characters in the Bible's not all were of color,
and you know, of dark color. It's a beautiful thing

(02:59:37):
because it did shape my growing up, you know, just
looking at these these white images, and of course it
was used to as a balance of power. So to
see now this information coming out and to hear some
of these young brothers talking about that, you know, debating
with each other, I think it's a beautiful thing. I
think it's a great thing. And when it does go

(02:59:59):
back to the church, But you gotta remember the church
is part of a bigger network, you know, unless it's
a small, independent church where they can do their thing.
You know, they're taking orders from somebody. So I do
believe that this needs to be something that's taught about.
I'm waiting to I go to a church that's kind
of mixed, you know, white, Black, Latin or whatever, it's

(03:00:20):
a mixed church. I'm just waiting for that service where
they get up there and be like, hey, we were wrong.
This is what we were told or taught you, and
this is the reality. So I hope that day is coming.
I definitely think the churches has been doing better when
it comes to mental health, when it comes to these
issues since the pandemic. I mean, I can't tell you

(03:00:40):
how many churches I've been to and spoken at regarding
mental health. Before I was never invited to a church.
You know, there's a lot of mental health issues we're
equaiting with sin. So now the church is taking a
more proactive stance. So I got to give props for
the for the work being done, but there's a lot
more work to be done.

Speaker 1 (03:01:00):
Note Away from the top a treat here from Lisa.
Lisa says, I would never take my son to a
white woman therapist because she might not understand his feelings
and label him as having anger management problems? What say you, doc?

Speaker 3 (03:01:15):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I've heard all the horror stories. I
hear them all the time coming from you know, people
of color who went to a therapist, and because there's
so few of us, they have no choice. But also,
you know a lot of these therapists are in institutions
like schools, and so the representation isn't there, And can

(03:01:37):
they really identify what this young black male is going
through in their daily life?

Speaker 10 (03:01:42):
Probably not.

Speaker 3 (03:01:43):
You know, no amount of training is going to allow
you to understand somebody struggling, especially if you haven't been
through it. So yeah, ma'am, I hear the stories, and
that's why we got to get more of us in
this space, because we're amazing when it comes to therapy
and when it comes to understanding the reason and rationalizing.

(03:02:04):
And I don't think anybody can do it better than
the person of color.

Speaker 1 (03:02:09):
I met a doctor ate away from the topic. Do
you ever have to come in and clean up after
a client after he's been sort of uh, I want
to use the abuse, he's too strong, But it turned
the wrong way by going to some white clinician.

Speaker 3 (03:02:24):
Wall say it again. I just want to make sure
I get Yeah, do.

Speaker 1 (03:02:27):
You do you have to do a clean up program?
Say on a client that we're seeing a white clinician
and sort of turned his head around or her head around.
And do you have to go in and and reinvent
the whole process and start all over. And if you do,
you create the white clinician.

Speaker 3 (03:02:46):
I don't, you know, I don't. I mean, if our
paths crossed. But I got too much going on to
you know, to be going back and you know, talking
to a clinic unless unless there's something about the case
that I need to talk the clinician about. But yeah,
I get so many black black males, young black males
who have been seeing clinicians, you know, white clinicians and

(03:03:09):
sometimes you know those you know, other races, and they
come up with a diagnosis. And the first thing I
do is I challenge it. I just want to challenge it.
I just want to make sure they're looking at it
through the right lens and not just labeling. And one
thing that I'm seeing is ADHD diagnosis. And got my
little seven six year old brothers, you know, on medication. Now,

(03:03:32):
I'm a temperament therapist and if you remember, we did
a show a few months back about you know, I
was talking about temperament and this assessment. Well, there's a
temperament called sanguine, and I see a lot of the
young people have this temperament. This is a very overactive,
very impulsive temperament. And I see all of them with
the ADHD diagnosis, and I'm like, nah, no, we're gonna

(03:03:55):
treat it this way. We're going to approach it from
the understanding of your temperament and and how it affects
how you think and how you behave Give them the
cycle education, give them the awareness, and let them know
nothing's wrong with you. Stop labeling these kids who are
not even ten years old and fixing you know, labels
on them because you grow up with that, you go

(03:04:16):
through life with those labels. So I think clinicians have
to be much more responsible with these diagnoses. Now. I know,
to build insurance companies, you have to provide something for
that sake, but please think about the impact you're having
on these people when they leave your office and you
hand down that diagnosis. They're leaving they're living life at
that diagnosis, and I think there needs to be more

(03:04:37):
responsibility in that area. But you know, hey, not everybody.
Not everybody does temp of the therapy. So I understand
you have to go with what you have, but so
many times I have to deal with a client who's
been diagnosed and you know, I have to challenge that diagnosis.

Speaker 1 (03:04:55):
And if they want to put that child on the
psychotropic drugs, what are your thoughts on that? Is that
the first because I think some of these white clinicians
that's probably the first thing they want to do with
some of my young brother especially our young brothers, who
may be acting out in class. So what's your counter
to that when when you come and they come up
with that diagnosis this is what they need.

Speaker 3 (03:05:16):
Holistic always the best way to go. You know, there
are some situations where the case is severe and it
requires some type of medication to stabilize the person. But
we're over medicating the society, especially young young brothers and
sisters by far. So I do respect the fact that

(03:05:40):
it is necessary in some situations. But you know, a
young young male or female will go to see a
psychiatrist and in fifteen or thirty minutes after speaking with them,
they have their whole life figured out. You know, you
have this, you have this. Oh, by the way, take
these and fifteen thirty minutes. I mean we spend an

(03:06:02):
hour at least, you know, But the whole thing about
counseling is we're trying to work through the problems. We're
not trying to mask it and cover it up. We're
trying to get to the root of the issue. And
you know, it's the reality that you know, they work
for these pharmaceutical companies and it's a money grap you know,
these prescriptions are just going out there because it's very profitable.

(03:06:25):
So just be mindful. I tell parents, I'll hear, hey,
I'm going to take my kids to a psychiatrist, And
I say, why won't you have them speak with a
counselor first have me try therapy. You know, it's just
that we're in this microwave society now right. We want
everything right now, and you know the time that it
takes to put into work through problems. You know, if
I could just pop a peel and go on with

(03:06:46):
my day, but you're not dealing with the problem, You're
just prolonging it.

Speaker 1 (03:06:51):
Gotcha, Well call it a day, right there, Doc, just
flat out of time. How can folks reach you if
they want more information? Off the anywhere around the country.
Act of the recess some black clinicians. Is there a group?

Speaker 3 (03:07:04):
Well, well, yeah, actually I have a group. I have
about fifteen clinicians on my team, independent clinicians and so absolutely.
But yeah, you can reach out. Edifycounseling dot com is
the website. Phone number is eight eight eight seven seven
Edify eight seven seven Edifi E D I F Y.
I'm on Instagram at doctor Jason Anthony. But yeah, reach

(03:07:27):
out and even if I'm not in your area, I
will help you find a therapist that fits your needs.

Speaker 9 (03:07:32):
So please reach out.

Speaker 1 (03:07:33):
Good that'll work. Thank you, doc. Hey, famil, we've done
for the day. Classes dismiss, stay strong, stay positive. We'll
see you tomorrow morning. Next

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