Dr. Jerome E. Fox, Dr. James McIntosh & Dr. Jude Azard on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Making this part of your morning ritual. Later, clinical psychologist
doctor jerome E Fox will take over our classroom. Doctor
Fox is, of course, the author of the best selling
workbook Addicted to White, The Oppressed in League with the Oppressor,
a shame based alliance. Before we hear from doctor Fox,
doctor James Macintosh from SEEMA tip that's the Committee to
eliminate media offensive to African people will join us, and

(00:22):
Momchell will speak with doctor Judis Ard. But let's get
Kevin first. To weldom the classroom doors and turn on
the lights for us. Good morning, Kevin grand Rising.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hey, calm, how you feeling this morning?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm still learning?

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yes, of course that's that's the door to.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Wisdom, not only the door to the calm Nelson University,
but the door to wisdom is to continue learning as
you evolve, even as you're never too Oh.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
You know, you know what you said, Kevin, I just
to say that it's hard to imagine somebody who doesn't
want to learn. You know, I just thought about that.
Who doesn't want to learn? Who you know who do
want to get better? Wow? I don't I don't get that. Yeah,
But anyway, I'm still learning.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Right right, And if that person that doesn't want to
learn is in the room, maybe you need to go
to a different room.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, a different class, a different class.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
And that's what we've got here.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
We've got a multitude of different curricula if you will, so,
you know, so you can learn on all these different levels.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's why, you know, it's great that you have such.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
A variety of minds and thinkers of our time on
you know, on.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Every day, so you know, right, and you learn it
at your own pace. You know, everybody's not going to
get it the first time they hear it. And this
is what I was talking with Don Nichols before he
came on here. Just the audience changes, you know. That's
why they have commercials. They repeat them over a lot
of times, so somebody may miss the class when you're on.
He says, I don't want to say the same thing. Oh,
I says no, you know, we find a creative ways

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to do it, and usually we just let the audience
direct the way we want to go. And he says, yeah,
I've noticed that. But he dropped some gems on Wednesday. Family,
if you didn't hear doctor, yeah, man, tell you, I
got so many people after the program came and calling them. Man,
they were they were just blown away by doctor Nichols.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
It was like he was in a zone, you know,
he found he found that that well there, I said,
that zone where uh even I was just gripped right
here listening, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
So we missed the colors.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
We missed one of the breaks because of the fact
that I didn't want to interrupt.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I was like just sitting here, not even looking at the.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Clock, you know, and there's several clocks here, and I
was so engrossed in what he was saying. I said,
we're running late. Hope you didn't mess up the other stations.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
But I tell you, man, hey, well look, starting on
a sad note, civil rights leader Jesse Jackson was hospitalized
last night and.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
He's eighty four years old.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
CNN they always want to report the age is if
one is causation, is you know, kind of like the
what happens, you know, correlation is causation, But I don't
think so anyway. So he's a protege of Reverend Martin
Luther King Junior, who doesn't know that, and he's under
observation for progressive super nuclear palsy.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
The acronym p SP stands for Progressive super un nuclear palsy.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I call it a hybrid word when you say super
run nuclear.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
And but he has been managing this neuro generative to
condition for more than a decade, according to the Rainbow
Push Coalition.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
They said that last night as well.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
And so what does that mean though, Carl, I want
to ask you that when you when you're managing a condition, Well.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, you've got you've got people I hated use these
drug people cracking actually or drinkers. They don't how to
manage it, you know, drunks who get you know, functionally
or illiterate people that function in the functionally. You know
they're on a crack, but they confunctioning. You willn't even know,
you know, it's kind of the same thing. But that's
in medical terms.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
So oh, that's an interesting Yeah, that's an interesting way
of looking at it.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
I see what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
They originally diagnosed it as Parkinson's disease, and however last
April they found out it was PSP and they confirmed that.
And so because I well, in twenty seventeen, Reverend Jackson
spoke about having Parkinson's. But now they find out it's different.
So this disease PSP is a rare neurological disorder that

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affects body movements, walking, balance, and eye movements. So managing
all of that, you know, just imagine if you will,
you you're walking and then you lose your balance, that's
you know, your equilibrium is off, and then your eye
movements that can affect reading and uh and and things

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of that nature. So managing that, you know, Uh, that's
what heroes do, man, That's what heroes do. Reverend Jesse Jackson,
uh is a hero to America. I would say, not
just Black America, to everybody. You know, if it wasn't
for him and doctor King, where would America be?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, he's a fighter. But you know what, what's interesting
about that because I heard last month some folks close
to him told me he was in the hospital but
it wasn't reported, you know, And they told me he
was in the hospital hiself. But this time though, his
group Operation Push reports that he is in the hospital.
So I'm wondering if it's something much more serious this
time around.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Oh the fact the fact that they wanted to publicize
the hospitalization.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, yeah, because he's been in the in and out
of the hospital. And you know, like I said, last month,
some folks close to they told me he was you know,
it was really serious. And so you know, I just
didn't hear anything in the news. And now you wake
up this morning found they're reporting that he's been in
the hospital. You know, if a person like Jesse Jackson
goes to the hospital, you know, the hospital people know.
So you know, it's one phone called to the or WGN,

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one of the news stations in Chicago, and it's it's
all over the press.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, you're right, Well, Reverend Jesse Jackson is a man
of prayer, a man of faith, So let us all
just join in, you know, send.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
That positive energy that way.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
In other news man Jeffrey Jeffrey Epstein emails, they say
that inside of it, he says, Trump spent hours at
my house quoting Epstein and knew about the girls. So
the House Democrats supposedly released those emails that were sent
by Epstein and he's been having a pretty rough time

(06:57):
the president about who wish to see a perceived sexual
predator keeping the company of other sexual predators. And I
know it might sound confusing, but according to the New
York Times. Democrats on the House Oversight Committee said the emails,
which were among thousands of paid thousands the pages of

(07:18):
documents that were released by the panel yesterday, state explicitly
that Trump knew about the girls who were reportedly abused
on Epstein's infamous island, and the emails were turned over
to the committee after Congressional Democrats pressured the Republicans to
issue subpoenas for the files related to Epstein.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
You know, a couple of things. First on Wednesday, you know,
doctor mentioned that too. He says maybe he's being black
man made by the Russians. So that was doctor Nichols
when he talked about it a little bit. But to
the other question is too, why not just release all
of the emails? Why is she trying to block them
at this point the whole world. Note that you knew, Jeffrey,

(08:02):
as you've said it. They have it on tape and
we're there, But to what extent? And I think because
you know, if they he called a meeting, was the
war room that room? They yeah, helped with the war room? Yeah,
and is that what they call it? You know, and
this is where you have a super conference. Something really
kindaclysmic when they go going there because there were nobody
can really you know, none of the information is leaked

(08:24):
to and it's all guarded and you really find out
who's in these meetings. They called the meeting there to
discuss how to respond, and so far the only response
to that is fake news. That's not going over with
the public.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Right, right, Yeah, the meeting was with Cash Patel and
uh we have Pam Bondi and a couple of others.
So you're right, he's rallying the troops and getting them together.
Who knows what that what those meetings are about, what

(08:58):
goes on in the room where it happens, you know.
Next on the agenda, NPR News reports that the longest
government shut down in US history has finally come to
a close because President Trump signed a bill to fund
the government, bringing a close to the longest the longest
government shut down in history and one that saw millions

(09:22):
of Americans affected and ended with little political gain. And
you know, so neither side won, even though they're blaming
each other.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, but look look at look what the cost, you know,
the financial, emotional, the stress of those folks out of work,
not getting paid, you know, just look at the cost
at the end of the day, was it worth it?
And they still didn't get the Democrats still didn't get
what they wanted. So, you know, I just had a
feeling we're going to go through this again. And it's
only till January.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Till January, yeah, yeah, And so the outstanding interesting part
about that that is the Trump is asking them to
stop the what is it, the filibuster for that January
meeting that's coming up.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Because you know, you know what the cold thing about
this is Kevin the Republicans, they they don't have a plan.
You know, they just liked the plan because it's got
Obama's name, American Healthcare, because the people called Obamacare, and
he's talking about trump Care. And the last time they
asked Hi about a plan, what he said he had
an outline or a proposal or something of oh.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
You mean when they asked Trump about a plan?

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, all these years, You've had all these years to
create a plan, and you still don't have a plan.
Not just Trump, the entire g OP. What's your plan,
what's your better plan? Just put it in front of
the American public. They don't care whose names on it.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Well, you announce your plans. That's the way to hear
God laugh. So maybe maybe they keeping it close to
the cup with the plans.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
At some point they got to tell folks man, you know,
that's what we pay them for.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Meanwhile, the Office of Management and Budget instructs fur load
workers to return to work today. So you know, if
you work for the what is the Office of Management
and Budget? Then the White House Office of Management has
issued that memorandum instructing federal employees who had been furlad
to return to work. Agencies should take all necessary steps

(11:29):
to ensure that offices open in a prompt and orderly
manner on November thirteenth, that's today. And the memorandom that
went out yesterday, and so the director came shortly after
the President signed that bill. So roughly six hundred and
seventy thousand federal workers work fur load and so they

(11:50):
should all be coming back to work, which should affect traffic.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
I guess well, we'll find out when we'll give the
traffic reports.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah, And we could go on and on and on
with this, because there's a lot. Kyler found a thread
that just goes on and on. So one last thing,
Trump signals openness to work with the Democrats on healthcare.
So he says, I'm always willing to work with anyone,
including the Democratic Party. He said, we'll work on something
having to do with healthcare. So there may not be

(12:19):
a plan, but at least it sounds like a semblance
of an offering for a plan based on I guess
various negotiations employees.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Of that nature.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
All right, let's get started. Oh no, this classroom doors first. Kevin.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Hey, wait, I looks like looks like the call dropped
for our guests.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
So okay, see if you're getting back, you have thirteen minutes.
Off the top of our family, We're going to speak
with doctor Judis Ard and I think he has a
guest with him this morning. And doctor judis always Sitian activists.
And one of the things that happened recently was the hurricane.
We hear about all the plans that helped Jamaica, but
Haiti got slammed too, and people died and people, you know,

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but somehow it didn't make the news. What's going on
in Haiti. It wasn't a direct hit because when the
hurricane went over Jamaica, it sort of weakened when it
went across the mountains and then over it to Cuba.
But it did. It caused mud slides and a lot
of damage in Haiti, and also some deaths in Haiti too.
But it seems like the world as usual just turned
turned the backs on Haiti. It just I don't get

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it right, you know, it just seems like the Haitian
folks just have to you know, flesh for themselves all
the time. It's just it's just unfortunate, you know. So
this is what doctor Judas Odd wants to tell us
about what's going on, because the great doctors are grand rising.
Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
Brother, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, you know, it's just amusing about the fact that
you know, Haiti's in the eye of the storm again.
But you know, of course Jamaica got hit more, but
the death tolls were almost similar to what happened in
Haiti because of the mud slides and and and and
what happened with the hurricane in the weekend. Just just
your thought, why do you think you know a lot

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most of the attentions on Jamaica and not Haiti.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Well, basically the reports, I believe the reports have to
do with it. Uh, you know where the media goes.
That's where everybody goes. Where the lens is you know
what this time or Jamaica, then Haiti is Haye, no
question about it.

Speaker 6 (14:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Haiti has been dealing with natural disasters for for centuries.
When I say natural disasters and also on topological Uh,
many men made disasters. So if they've been men, Haiti
has been the kid, the kid of the town, that's

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the most neglected kid of the of town. So it's
no doubt, there's no uh, there's no out there that
someone or somewhere Haiti once again being neglected. But mister,
let mean for.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
A second though, doctor, why do you why do you
think so though? Why why is Haitio always being neglected?

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Well, it is.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Carrying the cross of the of of human of humanity,
and that is and again we have to be clear
about this. We're carrying the cross of humanity. Mean uh,
that's the first nation that stood up and say that
human is only one race and it's called human race.
And we can't go around that any advised. The person

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who understands where the world comes from and where it's
headed and what can happen, what the potentials were aware
of that and that's basically what we're dealing with so
uh funly so as far as the the eyes of
the cake is that it is at this point we

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get immune too. We know what it is and when
it happened. We just got to take care business from
the ground.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
All right. Hold that though, right there, we've got to
step aside for a few months. We'll come back. I
know you have a guest that you want to introduce,
and I'll let you do that because we've got to
help Haiti family. You want to join this conversation. Our
guess that doctor judis Art. Reach out to us at
eight hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy six
and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,
thanks for waking up with us on this Thursday morning.
I guess is doctor Juesus Oard. You've heard him before.

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He's an activist in the Haitian community, and we're bringing
attention to what's going on in Haiti. Since the hurricane
passed through Haiti. A lot of the attention was focused
on Jamaica quite rightly, so they sold a lot of damage,
but the death toll is almost equal to what happened
in Jamaica and Haiti because Hurricane Melissa. And just before
we go back to let me just remind you that
you know, we send our tax payers money. We send

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billions of dollars to Argentina and then we've got the
largest aircraft carra in the world sitting off the coast
of Venezuela. That's money everybody in there gets paid. That's
your money that's paying them. Here we have this and
sisters next door in Haiti struggling, suffering. So I'm still
missing from that hurricane. Doctors, welcome back, and you've brought
a guest with you this morning. Could you introduce us

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to the family.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Thank you, my brother, thanks again for helping us. So
let me let me let me introduce a member of
our community. Uh, a woman, a doer, one who are
given so much to this community. I'm so proud of her.
And that's also we've also worked together in cut less

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organizations and well once again, she's a doer, uh maker,
one who gives a lot of her time to this community,
not only in the dance but also in Haiti. Uh.
Let me introduce doctor Ingreed Desiree to the Carl Nason Show.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Right fair Rising, Doctor Desiree, Thank you for joining us.
A morning.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
Good morning, mister Nelson. How are you.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'm still learning and I'm learning this morning that that
Haiti has been neglected again, and that's some concern for
most of us, who are many of us who listen
to this program because we know that you know, we
all came to this side of the ocean on different ships.
The ships stopped at different reports, but we all took
the same trip, so there's nothing much difference between us.
So when one part of the family needs help, that's

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when we all come together. But tell us what you know.
Tell us what's the situation in Haiti right now? Since
the hurricane.

Speaker 7 (18:33):
Yes, as you know what, the hurricane has caused a
lot of damages, especially in Tigua, which is southwest of
photo Prints and jack mal But the extent that damage
is really really really still in tiguas I mean, houses,
neighborhood or just everything just went down, disappeared, destroyed. Right now,

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we have about just in tiguav forty deaths, which is
more than Jamaica, by the way, given that we did
not even hit directly. So it's really really bad for Haidi.
A lot of people are just without homes, food shelters.
So we're trying to rest fund to help the t

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GOP community because it's really really bad for them and
they're not receiving any health unfortunately. So that is why
we're asking for help from different segments to be able
to help.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Right and doctor Taseral, let me ask you this, and
I asked you this question the doctor as Art as well.
Why do you think that had has been neglected? Why
is the Hiti all the time is being overlooked?

Speaker 7 (19:42):
You know, that's an interesting question that a lot of
us are the same, given the fact that we were
the first black independent nations politics, as you know, I
guess that we don't have shown leaders that seek country
first and self insured second. But more I think that

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it's uh geo political as they say for Haidi, uh
it's as good that we've what we have as we
have done something wrong which we did not and that
we are paying for that, which is not the case. Again,
But I think again it's it's boiled down to bad

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leadership because if she really has shown leadership and you
understand the meaning of running a country, so therefore Haidy
would have been in a described right now. But we've
always for some reason had has always been forgotten or
information that it's been shared of ha It is always

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not the correct information as well. So it is up
to us, I guess, to try to do what we
can to help our country and welcome anybody else also
that want to come and help.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
All right, And you mentioned the death rate is higher
than in Jamaica. That you know, the same hurricane passed
through but weaken when it got to Haiti. Was it
because of the infrastructure in Haiti?

Speaker 7 (21:13):
Why the death toll is har Yes, that's the case
for hey, it is the infrastructure, yes, and then I
think Tiglove is also is low land, but it is
the infrastructure. How these are not build I guess with
regulations and to close to one another. So it is
definitely the infrastructure. So basically what we are looking at

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if we could, you know, if they have to do renovations,
we build, things would have to be done differently. So
and again to do that you need a lot of funding.
The damages are very very severe integu oud, so a
lot of help is needed to when I said to
help we build, you know we're talking about different commune

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we turn to go out that need help. I mean
if I mean, if we can send you photos, you
will see the extent of the damage, so that help
is needed. Definitely the infrastructure. You know, when they have
to rebild, you have to be done differently.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Twenty six after the top of the family just waking
up with it. But we got Haitian actually, doctor judis
hard you've heard him here all frequently, also doctor ingrid
desert rays with us as well. We're making a call
for help for Haiti. They got slammed by the hurricane,
just like you're making it. But their condition is much
much worse, and people are not talking about helping Haiti.
There's all kinds of help going to Jamaica. That's why

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we're counting on you this morning. Family, if you got
friends who can help our brothers and sisters in Haiti,
because they really need the help. Doctor it does ray.
How really can you paint a picture of what it's
like in that town that you mentioned? How bad really
is it?

Speaker 7 (22:58):
It's really really bad. You have very very bad as
I later, only I could fall pictures for it, but
it's really really bad. We're talking about thousands of thems
have been destroyed. There's nowhere for them.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
To go.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
Okay, so the people are just out there just living,
you know, where they have all these devastations and there's
no food, no shelter. Yes, there are some people they're
not delending helping him to each oulder, but it's not enough.
It does not cover the extent of the damages. And

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that it there, I mean just then you know, they
continue to to dig further because they don't know what
they're finding. So the search continued again for them to
try to find whether it is furniture, clothes, bodies. It's
really really bad.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
So you shall have folks mention man, is that it?

Speaker 7 (24:00):
Yes, folks are still missing. Yes, in addition to people
to see what they can find, what they can you know, say,
it's just it's bad.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Doctors odd well, I was gonna say that the count
of there right now, the loss of lives uh amount
to forty uh and again that I'm underlying doctor des
Ray's statement there that this is uh way more than
than than uh what Jamaica. Uh so yeah, and and

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and they're still searching because there there were a few
missing people there, uh the sports so the number yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Let me judge and ask both of this question though
doctors out and doctors as a right. There's all sort
of mobilization to help Jamake, you know on here, I'm
both eyes of the place is people are flying in
from all over the world. Actually it's to help entertainers, athletes,
you know, pouring in to help Jamaica. But nobody's helping Haiti.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
I don't understand. Yeah, Haiti, Yes, nobody's helping Haiti. And
as you said, it's not even been mentioned. I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Is it some sort of benign neglect that that's carried
over from before, because before Haiti is still struggling. You
still have a lot of problems. We talked about this
quite a bit, and you know, silence from the u
N silence from even our the black elected officials on
this in this country, the silence, and I'm just just
sort of, you know, sort of confused why people are

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not rallying around Haiti like they do in Jamaica. We
got two Black countries, two Black highlands, and still one
is getting well fed and the other's being ignored.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
So that's actually.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
If do you know the answer, doctor Desi Rae, I.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
Wish you no, we don't. We don't know the end.
So we don't understand. I mean, besides that, as I said,
we have bad government. But I just don't understand. I
just said two Caribbean. We're both in the Caribbean. We
are you know, we we are fitting the same crisis,
and for some reason here it is being ignored.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yes, yeah, doctor, doctors. The infrastructure can folks if they
want to donate. I'm gonna let you tell us how
folks can donate. But is the infrastructure better now? Is
the airport, saying Porter Princess that open yet? So if
supplies it could be flown in, it could not happen.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
I doubt it.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
This is no, certainly not. But however there's a good
gius though. There's the airport and sort of side of
Haiti Mackay Airport and twenty More Airport is uh uh
Grant opening this at Tibility this week and receiving the

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first aircraft for the first time. So basically there is
good news. On one side. People can still reach Ta
Haiti using the Cafesian Airport or Kai Airport, so but
as far as port of Prince Brother, this is a

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different ball game we're talking about. According to many herald
during the third quarter of this of this year of July,
from July first to September thirtieth, you have at least
one thousand, two hundred and forty seven people were killed
and seven hundred and ten injured. Talking about forty people

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in Intiquab with natural disaster. Well, look at the other
side about what's happening here. We're talking about one thousand,
two hundred and forty seven and seven hundred and ten
injured perpetrated by gangs only, so let alone sexual violence perpetrated.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
By armed gangs.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
It remained at an longing level according to you and
so as I said from the start eight he has
been dealing with this. It's nothing new. And with all this,
this is nothing that you see. You will see in
the games. In any other country, they will be the

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declared emergency and you would see people going in with
with with long guns to help. But no, it is
a different budgame.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Twenty sixth Auay, from the top of the family, we
have Haitian actors started Chooti. This artists brought a guest
with him doctor Ingrid does a ray and they're trying
to help Haiti. You know they were hits. They both
slam like Jamaica with hurricane right now, Jamaica's posting that
open up some of the attractions of reopening all the
tourists to come by. But Haiti is still struggling. Nobody's
even mentioning. It's not even in the news, not even

(29:04):
be covering the news. That's why we're talking about it
this morning because our brothers and sisters in Haiti they
need help. So doctor Desiree, what are some of the
things that they need?

Speaker 7 (29:15):
Everything? Said Nelson. Everything, because we're trying to rest on
to see what if we could actually try to see
what if we can even provide roof for some of
the homes. We're just talking about the roof, but every
they need everything. That's a lot of homes that have
been desjoyed. People are just sleeping, you know, just and

(29:37):
open air. Food are needed, uh, clothing, they just they
lost everything. Everything is lost. Everything is ferish.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Now, do you guys have a mechanism set up if
people want to donate, whether it be cash or donate
clothes or food or water. Because you said you need everything,
do you have a mechanism self where people can make donations.

Speaker 7 (30:06):
I don't know about in terms of I mean monetary donation. Yes,
because we're trying to organize different organizations back home to
see what they can do. But they're going to need
the funding as fast as it says to place this concern.
I really don't know whether there's a way for them
to spend food or none of these things, except that manager,

(30:32):
you know that if we spend money, they'll be able
to organize certain things locally to be able to feed
help the people cloth different things. But as far as
you know, shipping food from here, I don't think that's possible.
And I give you a few numbers though, if they

(30:53):
want to, If anybody wants to donate, right right there, because.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
We'll come up on a break our doctors. Yes, when
you come back, I once you give out the numbers
of people want to donate and want to help. But
the question is, though, and I've been asking this all
morning before it be for doctor Azad and doctor Desirae,
Why why the neglect? The news meaning is now down
there nobody's talking about what's going on in Haiti again.
It's it's the island just suffers from some sort of

(31:20):
benign neglect. And and I keep hate using that that phrase,
but it seems like everything you know everything takes place
in all those of Haitians, So we don't care about that.
We you know, everybody's doing it something else, you know
where whether it be carry cam who should who should
be you know, helping Haiti and Jamaica or orther you
and should step in or somebody's even here. The members

(31:43):
of the Black Caucus, they step in when it comes
to there was with on other issues with Haiti, as
they stepped in with Aristeid was was in office. But
now the silence and folks are suffering and family and
one of the reasons I mentioned this, they look like
you and me, and there's only a boat stop that
makes the difference, you know, because we all made the

(32:04):
same trip, but we all came on different ships and
they stopped off at different ports. So there's no difference
between us and our Haitian brothers and sisters. So we're
going to need your help. Having said that, we got
to step aside for a few moments. And when we
come back though, doctor Ingrid Deserree is going to provide
him umus you want to help, and also doctor has
Art will help climb find the situation in Haiti. Again,
they were slammed by the Hurricane Melissa. Jamaica's been almost

(32:25):
back on their feet, a lot of construction, the tourist
sites that are opening up, a lot of money, people donating, athletes,
entertainers putting on shows. But nobody's doing anything for Haiti.
So we got to change that. So reach out to
his family at eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls
after we check the news. That's next and grind rising. Family.
Thanks for waking up with us on this Thursday. We

(32:46):
want to get seventeen minutes away from the top day hour.
I guess right now Doctor judis Art and he's brought
along with one of his friends. Got to Ingrid Desi Rae,
the Haitian activists, and they're trying to help Haiti. Haiti
got slammed by the hurricane. Just Hurricane Melissa. Just Jamaica.
There's all kinds of shows and conscious and benefits going
on for Jamaica. I see one. Just scroll in here
to take a place in Washington, DC at Elive Restaurant,

(33:08):
doctor Brook's place. They're having a relief dance party for Jamaica.
So doctor Brook, if you're listening, please do something for
our brothers and sisters in Haiti. Before we go back
to Dr Azad and doctor Desiree, though, let me just
remind you come up later this morning. We speak with
clinical psychologist doctor Jerome Fox, you know, and for his
best selling workbook Addicted to White, the Oppresston League with
the Oppressor Shane Based Alliance. And that's part I like

(33:30):
the title of Shane Based alliones. Before we get to him, though,
Doctor James McIntosh from SEEMA TAP that's the Committee to
Eliminate Media Offensive to Africans will join us tomorrow. Of course,
Friday we give you don't have a chance to free
your mind. All that means is thing for yourself. Reach
out to us on our open pH on Friday program.
It began promptly at six am Eastern time right here
in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in the

(33:50):
DMV on fourteen fifty WOL. All right, doctor Desiree, can
you give us give us some numbers where people could
call if they want to make donations, want to help Haiti.

Speaker 7 (34:02):
Absolutely. The number is sixty three one, three, eight, four,
two five nine zero, And I'm gonna give you a
cash a Venmo and also an email address that would
help and it could be at the cashap would be
Dallas signed in grade capital I n g r I

(34:26):
D capital d E s I r E. So the
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(34:51):
anyone would like to send via email, I could be
h C h M one eight h four inc I
n c A gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Do that one more time for us.

Speaker 7 (35:09):
The last one or all of them the email. Okay,
h as in Harry see asn't cats h as in
Harry again and as in Mary eighteen o four inc
I n C A gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Got it fourteen away from the top. There, family, just
waking up. I guess as you just heard the voice
of doctor Ingrid Desiree. And also doctor Judis Art is
here as well. You've heard him before. We talked about
the plight, what's going on in Haiti, trying to help
the brothers and sisters in Haiti. They got slammed by
Hurricane Melissa, just like Jamaica did. And there's all kinds
of help coming to Jamaica. In fact, as I mentioned

(35:49):
some of the tourist sites that are already reopening again.
Those are you know, those popular sites that are back
open even though they still have some challenges. But Haiti's
being neglected this it's not even the news, it's not
even covering the new And I just mentioned that, you know,
right here in DC there's a relief party that's going
to take place at eLife Restaurant. That's doctor Brooks place
for Jamaica. We need to help our Haitian brothers and sisters,

(36:10):
and all our brothers in the and sisters. Then the
asked for have those of you who been listening to
this program you understand that you know, we're only a
ship away. You know, we all left the same destination
that were just stopped in different ports. That's that's the
only difference between us, you know, and and and doctor
uh doctor Nichols taught about cultural differences. He touched on
that as well yesterday. But anyway, we're trying to help

(36:31):
our brothers and sisters in Haiti because the toll, the
death toll, is the same or more as what happened
in Jamaica, and there's still a lot of people that's
that's missing and and Haiti doesn't have the infrastructure that
Jamaica has, even though the hurricane weakened when he went
over through the mountains in Jamaica and Cuba. But the
infrastructure is not really up to part. Just put it
that way. For our Haitian brothers and sisters. So they

(36:52):
need a lot of help. And as doctor Ingrid said,
they need everything. Uh doctor Azard, have you heard it
that any reports any around the world, anybody talking about anything?
Is the United Nations getting involved? Have you heard any
the Red Cross? Anybody doing anything for Haiti.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
For that mother? Not not that I've heard. Politically, Uh
you know. And again Haiti is in a course bog
you one would ask, or perhaps it looks like the
situation of Haiti seemed to be perplex with the United
Nations as it is. So it's almost it's almost like

(37:31):
the United Nation knows, who know, not where to start
to touch the situation of Halee. So as far as
what the current, that's what's happening here at hand, especially
in Tigua. Let alone, mind you that this is a
city where I spent most of my youth, I mean
vacations like going out on summer, so I spent most

(37:55):
of my time because I spent the town where my
dad came from. So it's personal. What's upending there, Well,
there's people, We hear them and we see them firsthand.
This is a road that I can close my eyes
and I can see the whole towards my dad lakes.

(38:17):
So as far as the United Nation response to what's
upending there, I think this is a dubious Uh. It's
uncertain whether they even see it or don't.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
All right, ten away from the top of tweet, let
me just read this tweet here cold I just got.
This is a thank you for your continued support and
for the shows that you featured on Haitians. I have
learned so much truly appreciate the inside that you have shared.
It should be a no brainer for us to help
the Haitians. Well, thank you for the person who sent
that tweet. But let me let me throw out a

(38:53):
challenge here to the faith community. I'm talking about the
brothers and sisters who go to the temple, go to
the mosque, go to the in of God, go to church.
This weekend, I want you to challenge the pastor the mom,
the rabbis, all of them, you know, give out the
take this information down, take doctor Ingrid's information down, and
tell them that our brothers and sisters in Haiti need help.

(39:15):
They're being ignored and they shouldn't be ignored. You know,
we talk about as taxpayers too, Maybe we need to
start calling our representatives. Our tax money is going to uh,
going to Argentina in the billions. As I mentioned, the
largest aircraft in the world is sitting off the coast
of Venezuela. You know, that's our money that's being spent.

(39:36):
And this is one of the reasons we talk about voting,
But that's how money. It's just being spent. Wouldn't you
rather your tax dollars help some poor people who look
like you? This is what we're asking this morning. So
doctor doctor Ingrid Desiree's with Usten, Doctor Judith's art doctor
Ingrid back to the because we don't know the aras
in Haiti. You just mentioned the cities. I know Haitian
brothers and sisters know where what you're talking about. You know,

(39:58):
most of us just know that there's a amb portter
prince and some people know are cam't Haitient, But other
than that, we're not familiar with the area. What side
of the country was hit at the hardest by the hurricane.

Speaker 7 (40:11):
That's the southwest to should see Glove and Jack Mayl.
That's what the most impact is.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yes, it is it a populous era. Was there a
lot of people live there like in the capitol?

Speaker 8 (40:24):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (40:25):
Yes, I think it's about is it twelve thousand?

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Uh, let's as well, it might be difficult to uh
enumerate at this port of why the course of the
gang violence that's as taking person Haiti and for the prince,
a lot of people have you know, there's a lot
of movements, people have been going in different directions. I
mean there's this population have been you know. Yeah, it's

(40:54):
way more people than that because Quarto Prince itself had
before everything started, I had about four million people. Now
you can't you can't even I don't think there is
a million and porter prints let alone. Just just so
you know, you have an idea of geographically how it

(41:16):
looks like. If you come from Potter Prince and your
head south and you're gonna hate car Fool, which is
part of the Western department. Tigwab is of the Tiguab
the area, the affected area that we're talking about is
also in the west because Haiti has ten departments, right,
so this Tiguab is part of the western department, West department,

(41:39):
which is actually actually sub area of Woto Prints if
you will, but southeast where Jamel is actually southeast technically
on top of Poto Prints in the southern east. I'm
on the western side of Potter Prints as well, called
it Jackman the southeast of Porto Prints. That's a different

(41:59):
department itself. So basically the western part of what open
that of Hade that the most instigat, and the southeast
part of it which is now where the part but
those are seriously populated area, all right.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Stix away from the top of the our founidly that's
doctor juw desided along with doctor Ingrid desert Ray, the Haitians,
the Haitian activists in America and trying to help our
brothers and sisters on the island. They got slammed by
a hurricane, Melissa, but nobody's talking about they're not getting
any help. They're just being ignored. And we've got to
figure out a way how to help our brothers and sisters.
So far, and I mentioned the challenge to the churches,
but Also our elected officials are congress folks. Congress people

(42:43):
got involved when Arion Steve was there and then getting
hier steeds and shuttling back and forth to Africa. So
you know, you get involved in political stuffs and you
know who you are because I was there. I know
who they are as well. We want to see a
new step up your game and help the brothers and
sisters socially now trying to help Stevens to try to
help some people on the ground, the poor people who

(43:03):
have no representation and we need help. And if they're
only going to get help, they're going to get it
from us. Because the entire world just ignores Haiti for
some reason or the other. There's no target at the
United Nations. They haven't sent folks down there try to help,
you know, as I mentioned the close by Jamaica, close by,
they all kinds of help, all kinds of shows, athletes,

(43:25):
they're putting on money and people flying in is to help.
Nobody's doing it for Haiti, just just neglect. So doctors
are The last time we talked, we talked about the
gang situation and the fact that it's Barbecue that's the
nickname of one of the tourist gang leaders down there,
and I know they State upon put a bounty on
his head. Maybe get the king if the State upartment

(43:46):
can donate that money they put on Barbecue's head to
help the poor Haitians that need help. What is that situation?
Have you heard anything of vague? Is he surrendered captured
or if you've heard anything different?

Speaker 7 (43:56):
Now, No, she's still They're warming and she do whatever
you want us with the other games.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah, yeah, he is. Also by the way, the office
the United Mission Integrated Office in Haiti uh stated that
the situation has actually gotten the worst and they much
with one hundred and forty five kidnapping forsm or and

(44:29):
also for four hundred victims of sexual violence in the
past quarter. So this man is well alive and is,
as doctor des Regius stated, he's warming the streets freely.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Are they still still doctors? Are they still snatching organs
out of the folks? You see five folks deceased in
the organs of missions. That's still going on?

Speaker 3 (44:56):
That is that is the word the word on the ground.
I was watching a video of La mons Anjou, one
of the gang very notarious gang of the Vibos coalition
and he actually they.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Don't like the doctor doctors. I thought that we got
to check the trafficking weather at different cities. Family just
joining us. I guess he's doctor Judis Ard. You just
heard him also doctor Ingrid desert Ray brother Haitian brothers
and sisters. They need help. They got slammed by Hurricane
Melissa and all the all the the I guess the
focus is on what's happening in Jamaico. Nobey's talking about
what's going on in Haiti. This is where we come in.
You want to make a donation, Keep listening and dtr

(45:34):
Ingrid Deserray will give her ou information that you can
help our brothers and sisters in Haiti. But as I mentioned,
we got to step aside and get caught up on
the lates' trafficking weather on our different cities. Family, you
want to join us, reach out to us at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Will
take your calls after the trafficking weather that's next and
Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us on
this Thursday morning. I guess our Dr Judas Art, doctor

(45:55):
Ingrid desert Ray, doctors Ard you've heard it here before.
He's a Haitian activist and giving us a h information
what's going on with our brothers and sisters in Haiti.
As we know, they got slammed by the hurricane Hurricane Melissa.
And I'm not trying to play off Haiti against Jamaica
because I know, I just I hope he didn't come
over that way, but I just you know, pointing out
the fact that Jamaica got a lot of help, Haiti's
got nothing. Nobody's talking about Haiti, nobody's helping our brothers

(46:16):
and sisters in Haiti. This's what we're trying to do
this morning. Before we left for the traffic update, though
doctor Judah's daughters giving us an update previously, there's you know,
the island is really in chaos. To put it mildly,
there's just a lot of gang gang fighting going on
and people being killed, rapes taking place, and also snatching

(46:37):
of organs. So you were about to tell us to
give us an update. Is that's still going on or
all these things paused because of the hurricane Doctor's art.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
Well, no, no, no, no, not at all.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
If anything, it just makes it makes it easier. So yeah,
I mean I was talking about Yeah, I was talking
about these gentlemen. One of the members of these uh
called a coalition. Uh that m he himself. We're mentioning
that that such movement happening not far from where he lives.

(47:11):
So he's talking about the snatching organs right now, not
too far from where he stood. So, yes, it's taking place.
It's no longer it's not Uh we're not hyperbelchy or
we're not making stuff up. It's really happening there. The
worst of it is this, it's a prolific business, right,
so we know that. So who's behind it?

Speaker 9 (47:32):
Haiti?

Speaker 3 (47:32):
From its inception, we know that it's been fighting. Uh,
we've been fighting some some known adversary adversary. But but
now who's behind all this? Uh it's mind buggling. But yes,
as far as sexual violence at Haiti, that and and

(47:55):
let alone, that will and that's guaranteed it will bring
a film of psychological, economic, and social consequence.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
Those survived.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Unfortunately, they those type of behavior against their bodies. So
when we have kids, that's a probably ten or fifteen
now dealing with those scat of behaviors as it's hit
happened on September eleven, between eleven and fifteen, and and
and and see this so La where three children as
long as ten were beaten and another one were killed.

(48:29):
So when kids are noticing and observing and go through
those scint of drama dramatic events, it's very it's that
consequence on the future and how they lived socially. So
we definitely not only need that of that kind of

(48:50):
support right now, but we need good leadership and he
need people capable of changing and seeing and prepared for
those people in the future, because it's not going to
ge better even if you clean up the games uh
and create jobs in Haiti that the citizens that are
going through those kind of behaviors, the kind of drama,

(49:11):
you're gonna have to deal with them psychologically around the city.
So this is a lot of work, and we need
to think about serious leadership.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Five out of the top of the family, that was
doctor judis at with doctor Ingrid Desiree. Doctor Macintosh is
going to join us, Mom and Chelda. But doctor Desiree,
are you getting hated getting help from the Dominican Republic
next door?

Speaker 7 (49:32):
Unfortunately? If they at all Unfortunately have to say if anything,
despite the condition the crisis in Haiti. Uh they continue
to deport mitations back home. Now we're not getting they
are not being good never at all. It is at

(49:53):
a course food right now. I mean, our challenges also
so enormous. You just don't know where to start, Okay,
it's just and in addition to having leaders that are
not really behaving like leaders, you know, the political instability
in Haiti, the lack of infrastructure and poverty, and I

(50:16):
think the privoty are suspended from the fact that we
don't have any leaders because Haiti does that resource this,
so I don't understand why we have a lot of
poverties in Haiti. But given the condition, the type of
leadership we have in Haiti, so things are very very
challenging for the people. You know, it's a struggle. It's

(50:41):
a constant struggle for the Haitian population in Haiti and
also for us to hear because we feel we feel
their pains and it's frustrating that you know, they're not
getting the exposure that they need to everybody could see
what's going on. So it's it's it's really it's really sad.

Speaker 10 (51:04):
You know.

Speaker 7 (51:04):
For my year, we different organizations, we're trying to do
what we can to help each other, but that's not enough.
So we do appreciate you, mister Nelson, what you're doing
right now shedding light on what's happening. We need more
of that for Haiti and they help.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
You.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Just remind the family that it was just a boat stop.
Different family. You know, all of the answers at least
made the same trip. Both just stopped at different places.
It's no difference between us and Haitian brothers, Panamanian brothers,
Brazilian brothers. This is a that's how they you know,
this is how Pan Africanists think, and this is how
most of us should think because it's reality. But before

(51:45):
I mentioned doctor Macintosh's waiting for us. Before we go
to doctor Macintosh, doctor Desiree, can you tell us again
how come folks if they want to help, want to
make donations and thrown out a challenge to the faith community,
whether you be in a moscue, a temple, uh a church, Well,
really is this organization you're involved with? Please ask you
the congregation to help our brothers and sisters. And hey,

(52:08):
this this Sunday when you go to church or you
go to the Moscow, the synagogue too. You we want
some of those folks to help as well. So doctor
desiree give out the information how they can help, How
can I reach you?

Speaker 7 (52:21):
Okay? Please? Donation can be sent to six three one
three eight four two five night zero and catch up
at Dallas sign in grade capital I n g R
I D capital d E s I r East is
in the desert, and then more at capitol I n

(52:45):
g r I D dash j e A n n
I s capitol d E s I r E is
Genie's desire and email is eight as in Harrie, she
hasn't kat. It's as in howe and as in Mary

(53:09):
eighteen o four and I n c A gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
All right, a family, if you have that information, just
called keV. Right, Kevin has all that information. So if
you're driving on the way to work, in a shout
out all the teachers on the way to work this morning,
hopefully'll learn some stuff and you keep listening to us
and pass down to our young folks. But anyway, uh,
if you're driving or at home and didn't get that information,
just called Kevin at eight hundred and four or five

(53:34):
zero seventy eight seventy six he has the information from
doctor Deseret and he can help you and help you
so we can help our brothers and sisters in Haiti.
Doctor Desiree, thank you, thank you for being on the forefront.
Doctor Azara, thank you because you have been on the
battlefield for Haiti for the longest. So I thank both
of you guys for joining us.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
We appreciate you, appreciate you, appreciate you.

Speaker 7 (53:54):
Yes, thank you so much. Yes, we appreciate the fact
that you're highlighting the infire that the hurricane has a
Haiti and shedding the light so everybody could know, as
you said, is you know we are we are all
from the Caribbean. I mean one one is listed in
help the other one is not. But as you know,

(54:18):
as humanity, I think we need to remember that we
are all confirm the same place. Does we need to
help each other? Well, thank you for that as much
as Baschetable, especially when the help is really needed. So
we do appreciate your health. Uh, mister Nelson, well, thank.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
You, thank you, Doctor desire and thank you and thank
you for standing up too, because you know this impacts
a lot of folks. With you and doctors Augiere in
the front of it, so I thank you for doing
that for our people in Haiti. All right, family, we're
going to move on. It's ten minutes after the time mars.
Doctor James Mcatosh, grand Rising, welcome to the program. Oh well,
thank you, Dr Macintosh. You're part of a group, Cinotam

(55:03):
Cinemotap has been around for quite some time. I remember
back in the day. Is a Betty Dopson still involved
in Semo Town.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
Yes, absolutely. In fact, she moved to Ohio and started
another branch there in Ohio called Semo Tap Ohio, And
she'll be back with us on the twenty ninth of November.
We have our annual what we call issuer table dinner,
in which we basically have a free luncheon and people

(55:33):
give according to the kind of time they had. It's
a fundraiser for Semo Tap. But Betty usually makes it
in on those times, and so she's coming in to
New York to be with us on the twenty ninth
of November.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, back in the day, we used to talk to
her quite a bit about Seema Tap. But the folks
who aren't familiar with Seema Tap, can you explain what
it is? What they let us stand for and how
you're started.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Sure, we're Media Watch Media Activists organization. We start it
in nineteen eighty seven, and so we monitor media. We
respond through various methods when we find media offensive to
our people, and in fact, it's so prevalent right now,

(56:16):
so we really we will generally respond when somebody specifically
makes a complaint to us or our own organization, someone
within it sees something so terrible, you know, So we
respond in various ways, sometimes with letters, sometimes with demonstrations,
sometimes with what we call consumer education projects. Some people

(56:37):
might confuse those with boycotts. They look a lot like boycotts,
you know, because we ask people, you know, basically, don't
spend your money for your own degradation. And so those
are the kinds of things that we do and have done.
In terms of some of our most successful campaigns, there
was one called a Postbuster campaign, which we went church

(56:58):
by church and got people ministers to agree to talk
to their congregation about a very racist newspaper that was
in New York portrayed black people only areas of sports, crime,
and entertainment for the most part, and so we eventually
got to where we were influencing, you know, hundreds of churches,

(57:18):
and the publisher of the Amsterdam Wilbert Tatum, said, we
reduced the post circulation by two hundred thousand. This led
them to begin to start to falsify their circulation figures
and ultimately led to their bankruptcy. Again, that was one
of our most successful campaigns. We also supported positive media,

(57:41):
so when people like Gil Noble wander attack, we would
bring you know, hundreds of people down to ABC where
he was on TV and it influenced I mean, he
certainly said that it saved saved his job at least
on one occasion. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Those are
the kinds of things many many others. I mean, I could,

(58:03):
I could go on, but I just figured you just
wanted a sample of the kinds of things.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yeah, because I know what you guys do. I know
about Gilnodle like it is on ABC. I remember when
they put his office in the basement because we went
out there and try to help him, as well as
the radio station in Harlem. But I will talk to
you about the recent fight that you had on your
hands with the remake of The Good Times TV shares.
Many of us grew up watching that TV shares and

(58:28):
now they turned it into uh.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (58:32):
How would you describe what they turned it into?

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Well, it's far worse than a menstrual show. In fact,
I came here today prepared to you know, I kind
of just let you know that people that think that
complaining about being are degraded in media is not important.
It actually plays a role in life and death. The
things that are promoted in that video basically are things

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that lead to the hop ten things killing black people,
just as much of our music does. If you just
look at the roles that black people play in these movies,
you look at the things we say in these songs,
or the things that have said in these songs about us,
they actually lead to our death. So in that particular
series they feature things. Now, I like to go right

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to the worst right over, because if you don't understand
why this is unacceptable, then you're not likely to understand
anything else we say about what's wrong with the show.
They have a scene in which a student throws minstrul
blood in a black boy's face, in which her mother
tells her. The mother tells the girl student that if
she wears a tampon, she'll become a whore, so the

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mother puts a diaper on her, she leaks. But you know,
that's just one of the things. They have babies shooting guns,
babies selling drugs, and all the things that kill us.
If you take the top ten things killing us as
p people, there are risk factors associated with those things

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that kill us. You know, So if you take something
like smoking, for instance, smoking you can know, causes heart disease,
it can affect cancer, it can affect aids, It can
affect pneumonia, bronchitis, strokes, cirrhrosis. These things aren't random that
I'm naming. These are the top things killing us. If
you take something like alcohol, it causes accidents, it causes

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cirrhosis of the liver, it affects heart disease, especially the cardiomyopathies, cancer,
just clems, yelling, pneumonia, broncho you know, those sorts of things.
So when you do things that promote those risk factors,
those behaviors that cause us to have those diseases more
than other people and the cause the shortening of black life,

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you're really doing things that kill you. So they feature
you know, like I use just four pictures from the slides,
this weekend to show people what I was talking about.
There's one that features a young boy who was given
drugs in order to make himself smarter and larger.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I mean that, Dr McIntosh. Oh, I thought I did right?

Speaker 10 (01:01:10):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Yeah, we got to pause for a minute, but we
come back though. I want you to do that over
again and tell us family, you want to join this
conversation with our guest, doctor James McIntosh from SEEMA TAP,
the Committee to Eliminate Media Offensive to Africans. Reach out
to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight
seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next and
Grand Rising Family thanks us staying with us on this

(01:01:31):
Thursday morning. I guess is doctor doctor James McIntosh from
the SEEMA TAP. That's the Committee to Eliminate Media Offensive
to Africans and they got a huge job, Dr McIntosh.
I'm gonna let you finish your thought, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
Well, I basically was telling you that this weekend I
had to do a presentation on this on this cartoon
remake of Good Times in which the images are so
negative and the activities are nothing like the original series
that aim on the air, I talked about how it
featured the you know, throwing minstrl blood in the black

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boy's face. And I said that they had four slides
that showed people that showed people a slide of a
boy holding an automatic pistol on his younger brother, who
was a toddler. The toddler is a drug dealer who
also is involved in shootouts. The boy who's holding the

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gun on the child in that particular slide is someone
who they said took a drug in order to become
smarter and larger, and he's so he's he's huge and
muscular now and he's smart now. This is this is
this is crazy because there are no drugs that are
going to make you smarter, are going to make you

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larger like that, and even if it did, obviously holding
a gun on your younger brother. So you're promoting drugs
in the and the idea that you're telling people that
these things can do those kinds of of things that
people might want to do. So when you promote drugs,
you're promoting more accidents, heart disease, cancer, aids, pneumonia, bronchi,

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the strokes, cirrhosis, suicides, homicides, and infant mortality. It's it's
not trivial. It's a it's a very subtle, perhaps but
harmful thing to do in the media. There was another
slide of a man calling a child the N word. Again,

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this disrespect is that it's like the source of almost
all of these murders and things that occur there are
in this particular series. There were you know, we had
multiple slides that we've been showing every time we go
and demonstrate because we're showing people how negative this series is.

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The fact that it's a carton. The FGC ruled in
the case of Joe Camel that a cartoon is you know,
it courses children to look at it, they think it's
for them, and that therefore makes whatever harmya particular cartoon
is doing worse than if it had been with you know,
real life features. In the case of Joe Camel, it

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was a cartoon that was used to sell camel cigarettes,
and in some experiments that were done, it was shown
that if you took all of various cartoon characters, that
children could identify Joe Cammel the same way they could
have identified Mickey Mouse or these other popular cartoon characters. Now,
I think the thing that is also interesting is that

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Simo tap is complaining about these things, and our supporters
are complaining. And we've been demonstrating in California, in Chicago,
and in New York at the Commissioner's office, the commission
of the NBA, because one of the executive producers is
professional basketball player, and at the offices of Netflix, the

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distributing company that has been showing it, and there is
no white press coverage of it. Your show is one
of the few shows, Brother Carl, that has picked up
on this. But when they want when if other ethnic
groups are insulted, you see, it becomes like the World

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War three, It becomes as a World War three was declared.
When Kyrie tweeted a link to a movie about a
book that some people said was anti Semitic, they went bananas. Now,
the reason I take up this thing of throwing the
menstrual blood in a black boy's face is because all
three of those religions, all three of the Abrahamic religions Islam, Judaism,

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and Christianity, they all have some things to say about
how you know about menstruation. And in fact, the Viticus
in the Bible and Viticus in the Torah, they say
that if a woman is on a mensi, she's unclean
for seven days. They say if a man touches he,
he's uncleaned for the same amount of time. So how

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do you not have any type of organized protests from
the religious community at cartoon's feature and throwing minstrel blood
in a black boy's face, even throwing blood in somebody's
face with you know, aids and body fluids would be terrible.
What I'm saying is such hypocrisy that if a young

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man who tweets a link to a movie about a
book that they say is anti Semitic, the whole world
goes crazy. People want to pay five hundred thousand dollars
in a compensation, People want to suspend people for five games,
and you know, all those sorts of things. And you
have various black people jumping up and joining the bandwagon

(01:06:58):
on this, and yet when black people are being defiled
in this way, you don't hear a peep. And I'm
of course exempting you. We really appreciate your giving this
some coverage because it's important that we show some ability
to resist this kind of thing, or it's only going
to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
There. Doctor Macan, Why why is the silence, you know,
I know the Jews Committee, they have the ad l
Anti Defamation League, So you say anything that remotely they
think that they can interpret that something's negative about Israel,
about Jews, they jump on all over it. Why is it?
Why is our community so silent when when these things
come down.

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
Because I think we don't see the link between it
and some of the what you would call real life
problems that our people are facing. You know, I wouldn't
expect somebody in the Sudan, with the tragedy that's going there,
or the Congo with the tragedy that's going there, or
with Haiti or Jamaica with those things to take time
from you know, the day to day things they have

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to do to survive, to be paying attention to this
type of thing. But I would expect people that have
a one thousand dollars cell phones and two cars and
five or six televisions in their house, so that sort
of thing, and people who are concerned with their children
being brainwashed, their children seeing two hundred thousand murders by

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the time they finished high school. I would expect our
people to respond, And if people were not such hypocrites,
I would expect the faith community to respond, but unfortunately
we're not the locus of control in this that there
are people that declare what's important and our people go

(01:08:46):
right along with it. If they tell them that it's important,
that Kyrie what Kyrie did it in a tweet is important,
well then they'll run around as though that's their biggest issue,
but you know, their own real biggest issues. You know,
it takes I think it was Carlos Cook said, you
know that black people respect white authority, and I think
that that's one of the issues that we deal with.

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When Europeans are not telling us that this is it's
something that's important, well then it's not important. But the
hypocrisy of Europeans not feeling it's important, of thinking that
it's okay when we have the kind of homicide crisis
and suicide crisis that we have to have babies running
around with machine guns and using drugs and all that

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kind of stuffs as images in a cartoon. That's a
that's a level of hypocrisy that I won't try to
I won't, I won't. I won't plead that case because
you know, they concern themselves with the things that are
that are that they're concerned with, and we're not one
of those priorities, because otherwise, you know, when you talk

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about two and a half million people to six million
people being killed in the Congo, it would have been
considered something important. And that barely made a blip on
the American acilloscope. I mean, people didn't even pay attention
to it. They don't even know what's going on. And
I'm not, as you were, not trying to play Haiti
off against against Jamaica. I'm not trying to play the

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Congo or the Sudan versus, the versus versus, let's say,
the Gaza. You know, there's a big difference between fifty
thousand people being killed and six and six million, and
so you know the fact that our people don't even
know about the six millions. That's why Simo Tap exists

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to basically try to get some control of our informational life,
you know, to produce our own black media, to support
our own black media, and to oppose that media which
is trying to kill us. And because nobody is coming
to our rescue. Nobody is concerned with this but the
black community, and wholly certain segments of the black community, all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Right, they thirty minutes after the top of their family
just join us. I guess there's doctor James McIntosh. He's
from Simour tamp that's the Committee to eliminate media offensives
to Africans. That's all of us who most of us
who look like us anyway. But doctor McIntosh talk to
us about the folks who revel in this kind of stuff.
They love. They think it's funny. They don't see the

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downside of it. And it's the same with the music
and the videos. You know, they appreciate and they love
these artists putting us down and they think it's funny
and they think it's and they'll shrug their shoulders and say, hey,
it's just entertainment. There's nothing serious, it's just entertainment. What
about those folks.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
Well, you know, surprisingly with this particular cartoon, that wasn't
the case so much. When there was a point where
brother Kwabin of who was with us before, he looked
at the likes and the dislikes and there were eight
thousand people that said they liked it, and there were
eighty thousand people said that it was trash. So you know,
it's not that we necessarily love all of it, but

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we don't feel that we have many choices. Sometimes they
use us by using our African rhythms and this sort
of things that we're going to respond to, and those
rhythms open us up. We'll be dancing to things that
are insulting and dangerous. I remember I think it was
Chris Rock doing an imitation talking about being at a

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party where the ladies wore all dancing to skeet skeet.
You know, well, they weren't dancing to it because they
want to be insulted or because they want to be
defiled or debased. They were dancing to it because of
the rhythms and the music and that sort of thing.
But when other people are controlling the distribution, they determine
what's funny and what's not funny. So for Seth MacFarland,

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the cartoonists, in his cartoon, he thought it was funny
to have an Aunt Jemima character with Gwyneth with a
white lady, a naked white lady draped around her and
identified in the cartoon. This was another cartoon I think
was Family Guy, in which he said they said it
was Harriet Tubman doing Gwyneth Paltrow. See if you some

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of the things that Dave Chappelle will joke about will
be some of the same things that they joke about
in this cartoon, but it's different. And humorss what's called
the butt of the joke, and in their humor, we're
the butt of the joke. We're the person getting the
minstrue blood thrown in our face. I can tell you
for a fact that there would have been a reaction.

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There would have been a reaction from black pastors and
black theologians if it had been a black girl throwing
minstrue blood in the face of a child with a
Yamaica on it were there, would it would they would
if you would have thought that, as I said before,
that a nuclear bomb had dropped. But you can do
that to us, and you can't, you know, and that

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you just can't get any response because of the phenomenon
of learned helplessness. We got so many things going on
with us that now I think you were asking me,
what about the people that think it's good. I mean
that's the majority. You know, if you just look at
the top ten rap songs, and we've done this, we've
shown that at any given time, you know, we did

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the research We did the research, and we showed it
in charts, and we've gone places and spoken to people.
At any given time, if you take the top ten
rap songs here in America, they will promote eight or
nine of them will promote one or more of the
risk factors that are killing our people with those diseases

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I was telling you about a minute ago. And by
the risk factors, I mean things like smoking, alcohol, promiscuity
and prostitution, guns, disrespect, driving, under the influence of the
drugs and alcohol, violence and drugs in the drug trade.
How do you have it that at any given time,

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eight of the top ten rap songs will promote one
or more of those, and more strikingly, one will promote
all eight. How do you accidentally get a record that
promotes driving and drinking or drugging and drinking. That's DUI
one of the risk factors that I spoke about. And
when you talk about those things, as I said before,

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they cause the accidents, the heart disease, the cans for
the ape and ammonia, the bronchitis, the strokes, the cirrhosis,
the diabetes, the suicide, the homicide, and the infant mortality
which is killing our people. So a lot of it
is just not quote being woke, all right, And another
part of it is feeling helpless that they can't this

(01:15:46):
is the music that's out there, they can't do anything
about it. Even the artists feel helpless. They feel that
if they don't promote produce music that does these things,
that their music won't be played by these streaming services
and the radio stations and TV appearances and that sort
of thing. So there is an element of helplessness that

(01:16:10):
goes into it. There's an element of really being seduced
by the rhythms and the music that we love. You know,
we love that kind of music, and the negative message
is injected into us through that, through opening us up
spiritually really by the rhythms and that sort of thing.

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And Sister Camille Yarborough is a person who has talked
about that how these rhythms open us up and they
make us vulnerable. And then there's no wonder that you
see the kinds of behaviors that are taking place in
our community.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Yeah, hold the right date, doctor, check the trafficking weather
at different cities twenty four minutes away from the top
of our family. Just check it in as voice of
doctor James McIntosh from SEEMA TAP that's the Committee to
Eliminate Media Offensive to Africans. When we come back, though,
from what I understand that most of the people buying
or downloading the offensive music white does that impact them

(01:17:09):
differently than it impacts our young brothers and sisters. And
the question is, you know people are going to say, well,
they don't have to listen to it, So I want
you to discuss those issues when we get back. Family.
You two can get in all this conversation with doctor
James McIntosh. Reach out to us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take it.
Calls at the news that's next and Grant Rising family

(01:17:31):
sixteen minutes away from the top of thew I guess this,
doctor James McIntosh. Doctor McIntosh is from SEMO TAP. That's
the Committee to Eliminate Media Offensives to Africans. Sort of
watch that group, just like some of you are familiar
with the ADL, the Anti defamation leader the Jewish community
have that watches anything and everything that they think that's
you know, just mindly says something bad about Israel, about

(01:17:54):
Jewish They're all over them white on right. This is
what Seema Tap does for us. Before we go back
to THEO the Mystery Mind, You're coming up later this morning.
We're gonna speak with clinical psychologist doctor dromy Fox. Many
of you know him from his book Addicted to White,
the Oppressed in League with the Oppressor, a shame based alliance.
He'll be here later this morning and tomorrow's Friday, of course,
and then we give you another chance to free your mind.
And all that means is think for yourself and reach

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us on our open phone Friday program. We can promptly
at six am Eastern time right here in Baltimore on
ten ten WLB and also in the DMV on fourteen
fifteen WL. All right, doctor Macintosh. Before the news trafficking
weather update, I was asking about the question that people say,
why should we be concerned? This music is targeted, of course,
to our young people, so many of us don't even
know some of the artists that you're talking about. But

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the other aspect is that they say, most of the
folks who are downloading these this music a white young
white children. Is this impact in them as well? And
if so, is it different a different impact than us
on our children.

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
Well, what I mean then, obviously we're all in this
particular society. We lived in this live in a society
where we want to or not. Any thing that is
promoting violence and disrespect and that sort of thing is
going to affect us. But I would challenge the idea.
The whites of the majority are still a majority, and
certainly non blacks are the majority population of this country.

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So non blacks are the majority population, they'll be the
majority with anything you're talking about, if you're talking about
buying gasoline, if you're talking about using the subways. But
the bottom line is is that at NBA games, which
lots of black people are watching, at HBCU games, they're
playing this type of music at parties. You can't tell

(01:19:38):
me that black DJs on playing records that use the
B word, on playing records that talk about guns and
drugs and promote those sorts of things. If you talk
about in your schools, if you see young people in
the hallways and they're doing their beats, and if they're
not talking about drugs and alcohol, baby and all that

(01:20:01):
sort of stuff, then you're going to different places than
I go. Even if I hear these booming systems in
the cars as they drive by, I hear, you know,
a lot of negative messages. So I challenge the idea
that that other groups are listening to it and more

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of a concentration and our people listening to it. They
seem to be listening to it. But regardless of who
it is, if it's influencing our young people, you know,
it's dangerous for us when you see the behavior reflected.
You know, like if you if you give a person
a diet and you give them certain kinds of food,
you'll see it reflected in their body habitats. You know

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their body, you know, as they're just fortunate to have
a super metabolism. You know, you find people that are
overeating and doing that, they will be they will start
getting fat. If you find people that are eating a
lot of carbs and you know, they'll start getting diabetes. Well,
the same thing with this. If you're feeding your young
people are diet of violence and disrespect and ignorance, then

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expect violent, disrespect and ignorant behavior in your communities. And
if if you're fortunate enough to live in a community
where you're not encountering that, then I can understand apathy.
But if that's what you're encountering. If that's the thing
that's bothering you in your neighborhood. If what's bothering you
is a bunch of young want to be boys in

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the hood standing on the corner doing various things, and
and and and you're worried about people breaking into your
house and shooting up your blocks. If you're worried about
those things, then you should be worried about this diet
that you're feeding our children. That would be my response
to that.

Speaker 10 (01:21:45):
For the corner.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
And this begs a question, who's feeding on you on
this diet?

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
Well, you know they're very certainly at the level of
the artists, there are some artists that are doing it.
At the level of the distribution, there's some people who
uh suppress positive black music and suppress the positive and
revolutionary messages that some of our artists are are producing.
And at the level of the consumer, there are people

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who buy negative music. So that's that's that's the sources,
that's that's where each of those places is one of
the areas of low sigh of of of of of
of a problem.

Speaker 8 (01:22:33):
People.

Speaker 5 (01:22:34):
You know, when you go to the artists, they say, well,
they have to produce it because this is what the
people want to buy. When you go to the distributors,
they claim that this is what the people want to buy.
But since we're not in control of those companies and
we're not in control of that, we don't know. I know,
Motown did pretty well without doing this type of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Yeah, most of us grew up on Motown. I tan
away from the town now. But this, this younger set, now,
these most of them are not listening to us right now, Doc,
I guess that's what my question is. How do you
reach the young people? Are young people who enjoy this
kind of music they think, you know, I asked one
young man about the music. It was all cuss words,
and I said, that's not music. Somebody just cursing. I

(01:23:16):
just I'm not even singing that. Somebody just talking and cursing.
How can I But he says he didn't hear the
curse words. He just he felt the beat and he
was moving and bobbing. He said he felt the beat.
The curse word and the N word didn't have the
same reaction to him it would have to me and
you as an adult. How do we bridge that gap?
How do we get to those young people who understand

(01:23:38):
what's going on here.

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
Well, you have to work with them, you know, you
have to meet them where they are with I've once
did a program about this that mentioned some of this
for a science group. It was in my presentation on
Blacks and Science and Technology, the history Blacks and Science
and Technology, and then I brought it up and then
I showed the research on the rap records and it

(01:24:02):
went over big, and so they had me come back
to the school and they really brought in class after
class for that day. And they responded, you know, when
I were telling them about the when I was telling
them about the how do you have, at any given
time a record that promotes drugging and driving or drinking
and driving? You know, and this is back a while ago,

(01:24:23):
so they you know, as an example, I would I
started doing the lyrics to one of Snoop Dogg songs,
you know, rolling down the street, sipping on what, and
they started, you know, the kids offs shouted gin and juice.
So we did that.

Speaker 9 (01:24:36):
We did a.

Speaker 5 (01:24:39):
Kind of a I don't know what you would call it.
It would be like a summer program one time for
the children from one school called Bannaka, and we also
had a thing called the Sons of Semo Tap where
we worked with young people. We had people come in,
various people come in to talk to them about you know,
because like they say, you know, you don't complain about

(01:24:59):
the honorable Isa Moahama said, you know, don't complain about
a dirty drink of water. You put a clean glass
of water next to it, and they will, you know,
they will respond. And I know Betty at her school,
she brought in uh two artists to Hutt nine and
a brother named hru Patah and the whole day they
did poems and stuff for the young people. It was

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it was met, you know, very positively, you know, very
enthusiastic response. You got to try to meet them where
they are. You've got to try to work with them,
and you got to try to hold their interests and
you've got to hold the people who are in authority
over them accountable. I mean, they don't have to play

(01:25:42):
that music at NB at h HBCU games, they don't
have to play that music at parties that are sponsored
by the college and sponsored by the high school. They
don't have to permit it. But you know, to me,
that's some of the ways that you reached to young people.
But you know, it's not like it's an easy task,

(01:26:04):
but it requires work and requires people who are willing
to do it if you don't want to talk to
them and you don't want to go around them. And
I've had both good experiences and bad experiences. I went
to one school where a teacher was complaining that their
youngsters were there. And I mean literally the teacher had
no control over the youngsters and they were, you know,

(01:26:24):
as I tried to do the same kind of presentation
about the rap music and so on and so forth,
they would start beating on the tables and doing things.
I didn't take it personally because I stayed there in
the class and they had a They were supposed to
be doing something under region's conditions, in other words, under
the test, the state test conditions. And there were two
male teachers and a female teachers, and they couldn't keep

(01:26:46):
those children under control. And I think that data is
one of the consequences of some of this technology that's
being used against us as decreasing their attention span. It
shown owing them people out of control. There are people
who are who don't allow our leaders and parents and

(01:27:07):
stuff to get the children under control, and so there's obstacles,
but there are lots of people who are doing the
work to overcome those obstacles, and that's what has to
be done. Has to be a lot of work. That
would be my answer for the car stix.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
Away from the topic of dtr McIntosh, I got a
tweet question for your family. Just join us. Doctor McIntosh
is from SIMA TAMP that's the Committee to Eliminate Media
offensive to African people. The tweeter says, doctor and McIntosh
the same messages heard in country and rock music. What's
the difference.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
Well, that's I don't think that that's true. It may
be more true now, but at the time that we
did the research, we took the top ten country songs
and the top ten rap records, and the top ten
country songs were a mirror, you know, they were a
reverse image of the of the And I can remember
the song that was out at that time. It was

(01:28:04):
about a person who talked about taking a bat to
the headlights and scratching that. That was the country song
that was out. But all the other songs, you know,
let's say there were two songs that even mentioned any
violence or anything like that. The only other songs weren't
doing that. It's not every now heavy metal and that
sort of thing. I just don't know anything about that.

(01:28:24):
But that is one of the characteristics of psychological and
or biological warfare that they are tailored to only impact
on the intended victim. So that you know, if you
make a record called do It to Your Satisfied, I'm
going way back, okay, and you have a person that's
living in a white community with white picket fence and

(01:28:47):
a white house and a dog named a Spot and
the cat named Puff and one and a half siblings,
that they could listen to that music and it might
not have any impact on them. But if you're dealing
with somebody who's fall is in jail and who uh
is living in the community, you know, with a lot
of other young people that are injured in this type

(01:29:09):
of way, then that song can lead to the child become,
you know, getting pregnant. And that's how it is with
a biological warfare. If you have one that is only
going to affect people with high concentrations of melanin, you're
going you know, it won't affect the ones with low
concentrations of melanin. And so you can have the same
phenomenon in different communities and different music and not have

(01:29:31):
the same impact. But if you really look at it
overall white communities, everything is is that's happened in the
black community will happen in the white community also. It's
just that it's in a less concentration and they have
more more, more things to counter it, more things that

(01:29:52):
make up for it. You know, if you have a damaged.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Yeah, we got to step aside real quick and take
another look at the ch finish your thought. Also got
a tweet for a person. He says he's white, and
he says his daughter's favorite song when she was eight
years old was Shaggy It wasn't Me. You remember that song?
I think this says it wasn't me. He says he's
singing about so he doesn't think that. I guess he's
implying that the music that our children are young people

(01:30:18):
here and it's not harmful. So I'll let you answer
those questions when we get back. Family, you two can
join us and reach out to us at eight hundred
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Dr McIntosh. Taking calls after the trafficking weather together. That's
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on this Thursday morning. And I guess is doctor James
McIntosh from seem of Tampa Committee to Eliminate Media offensive
to African people title of his group. And Mama tell

(01:30:41):
we speak with doctor Jerome Fox, but doctor McIntosh before
we left for the break. I'll let you finish your thought.
And also tweeter, And the tweeter identifies himself as white
and says his daughter eight year old daughter's favorite song
was Shaggy It wasn't me so he and he doesn't
believe he did any harm to her. So my question
to you, I'll let you intelligence. Can a song have

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different interpretations of different groups of people? Can they be
specifically harm a different one said one group and help
another group? Man, I'll put it that way.

Speaker 5 (01:31:13):
Yeah, I think that. As I said before, with all
biological and psychological and warfare, the idea is to affect
one group and not affect your own group. But in
the case of this gentleman who says that his daughter
wasn't affected by it, Uh, this is what we call
in substance abuse treatment. Yet you know a person tells

(01:31:35):
you because she tells you I smoke crack, but I
never saw my body. We said, well that's called it yet. Uh,
you don't you know. I don't know how old his
daughter is, and I don't know, but I would say
that most one dealing with a sample of one. You
could have a room full of people with COVID and
you could send ten people through and there might be

(01:31:56):
one person that comes out doesn't doesn't get it, you know.
But that doesn't mean that the overall principle that we're
talking about, that people are what they put into their minds,
or that they will become what they put into their minds,
that that isn't still true. That's true.

Speaker 9 (01:32:17):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:32:17):
Not every child at his negative music is going to
do negative things, but a significant a significant enough proportion
of them will that it causes problems in your society
and in your community. So that's my answer to him.
I don't know if I missed something there too.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
All right, we've got to move on to Dr Fox.
But Dr Macintosh, what's the next move for Seema Taba?
Is it open? Can anybody join? How are their meetings available?
Are they online?

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
In general? They're not online. We have live meetings and
we have. But we have some zoom meetings. Certainly anybody
can attend the zoom meetings. Our organization and is UH
you know, is a completely African organization and so those meetings,
UH you know, the live meetings we uh is basically
African people coming together. Our next event is going to

(01:33:12):
be on the twenty ninth that the Robert Ross Johnson
Family Life Center and it's an African festival for African people.
Our keynote speaker is going to is our doctor, doctor
Wesley Muhammad, and he talks about things such as the
pop plot marijuana is not what it used to be

(01:33:34):
and that you know it's it's having dangerous effects in
our community because of the chemicals is put in it
and because of the amplification of the strength of it
that has been done.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
We also have a Quick because I thought right late
but Casey and Maryland has a comment for you. Real
Quick is online too, Grand Rising Casey, you're on with
doctor Macintosh Grant V.

Speaker 11 (01:34:00):
Brother Cracy, I told you this a while back about
this song I'm a Dog, I'm a mutt. Remember that,
Brother Cracy, Yes I do, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:34:16):
And now the song is being nominated for a Grammy.
What does a much mean a person who is stupid
and incompetent and now it's up for a Grammy, Doc,
you have to add that to your reservoir, your reservoir
right now because it's current. You're giving the old people

(01:34:41):
a break by you saying young the young. That song
is an R and B song that is running on
the radio twenty to thirty times in an hour. And
then you have the song with Little wool Wop and
that song I'm a Dog I'm a Mud had twenty
seven million in views and lidd Little Woolwop I want

(01:35:03):
to kill my mom. I want to kill my dad.
That's for the younger people. That had two hundred and
sixty nine thousand lights. So that subliminal suggestion is being
liked by the parents and the young people. I just
wanted to add that to your musical conversation. Very excellent

(01:35:24):
conversation this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:35:27):
Thank thank you so much. Brother brother Klabina, who is
usually on with me on this show. You know, he
pointed out to us some years a couple of years
ago that there was a song that was nominated for
a Grammy in which they talk about leaving Homie lopsided
in the front seat. They're killing a person and they

(01:35:48):
used the N word and that sort of thing. We
took it and we sent letters to every councilman in
New York and every state senator in New York and
we encouraged them to support a bill that at that time,
since the Inez Baron, who was a state Senator, had
put out to just to say make the stations adhere

(01:36:11):
to the rules of thet CC. It wasn't anything major,
but it was saying, you know, to not play this music,
that's using the N word, that's using it, you know,
to make them adhere to certain regulations. And literally we
got almost no response. And we accompanied it with a
news article that explained everything, and there was almost no response.

(01:36:33):
And that bill, well, that was put forth by state
Senator Baron, never reached a vote. It never got out
of the out of committee for people to vote on it.
So it's a struggle. And when you were calling, he

(01:36:55):
was saying, Quasi, I thought you might have been thinking
of Quabna brother Quabna, who's he's not here today.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
Yeah, that's my African name. Some people called me that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:06):
Yeah, okay, okay, I didn't realize that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
Yeah, but Dr McIntosh, how can folks reach you guys
if they want more information about SEMO tap?

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
Oh? Sure, thank you. You can text uh three four
seven nine zero seven zero six two nine. That's three
four seven nine zero seven zero six two nine. Or
you can go to doctor Simo tap at gmail dot com,
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(01:37:36):
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r C E M O T A p at gmail
dot com, and you can you can reach us that way.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
All right, Thank you, doctor McIntosh, and thank you for
the word that you guys do.

Speaker 5 (01:37:50):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Thank you for watching being that media watch dow that
we need in our community.

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
Thank you, sir, Thank you so much, Brother Carl. Also
tell you that I'm on w b A I ninety
nine point five FM, New York for or w b
AI dot org. You can hear the same program at
ten am every Tuesday if people want to tune in
and hear my guests. And I so much to appreciate you, brother,

(01:38:16):
you know, giving us the opportunity to talk about these things.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
All right, sneady, Thank you doctor McIntosh, Stay strong, peace family.
At ten of the top, I was bringing doctor jeral
Me Fox, now doctor Fox of the psychologists. Most of
you know him from his book, a best selling work book,
Addicted to White, The Oppressed in League with the Oppressor,
Sham based alliance, Doctor Fox, Grand Rising, welcome back to
the program.

Speaker 8 (01:38:39):
Yes, thank you for having me. I can barely hear you.
I can hear your guests more clearly, but I can
barely hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Okay, Well, I get Kevin to work on that. Kevin
can turn them our side, so doctor Fox can hear us.
Doctor Fox, I'm going to pick up where we left
off with Dr McIntosh. You know, we're discussing the music
and some of the inappropriate lyrics that are some of
the musics are being pushed on our young people. We
got a tweet and the person says he's white, and

(01:39:07):
he says his eight year old daughter's favorite song was Shaggy.
I don't know if you're familiar with the song it
wasn't me, But he says he didn't think it did
her any harm because she did not know what she
was singing. She was singing that song it wasn't me.
And if folks who know that song being the head
of all day now my question to doctor mar Macintosh,
and I'm going to pose a question to you. When
these songs do they have different meanings different to different people.

(01:39:31):
Do say his eight year old daughter sees something in
that song that say eight year old black child will
not sees differently?

Speaker 8 (01:39:39):
Well, you know it depends. I mean we all often
talk about you know, age appropriate, you know material and
even conversation with our children that they may not get
all of the meaning that we as adults I understand
something to be. That's why you talk these things over

(01:40:05):
with your children. You just don't. It's almost like we
refuse to take control of our lives, to use the
agency that we have that we've been born with. I
define power in my book of These Thoughts for Today
as not being interpersonal, like nobody has power over you,

(01:40:29):
not a songwriter, not an artist, nobody has power over you.
Power is intro psychic, it's your agency now. Influence, on
the other hand, is interpersonal. But even with that, you
decide who you will allow to influence you. There are

(01:40:51):
certain people that would hear my voice or hear your
previous guest voice and immediately be turned off and would
just turned this program off. They're decided not to be
influenced by anything that we say. Our enemies have tried
to tell us who we should allow to influence us forever.

(01:41:14):
I often use the example Minister Farakhan. There are a
lot of these talk show hosts TV talk show host
that would not have him on their program for fear
that it would offend white folk. But nonetheless, you have
the power, which once again is intro psychic, to decide
who you will allow to influence you. Now, as a parent,

(01:41:38):
you also had the authority to decide what you will
expose your children to. Our brains are not garbage cans
for society to dump all kinds of nonsense into our brains,
even as adults, and certainly we have the responsibility and

(01:41:58):
the power to sift through all of the junk that
this society holds and to put and in that process
only allowed that which will be helpful to our children's
minds through. So I mean, we just refuse to take control,

(01:42:24):
you know, even not this past election. I don't want
to move to that too fest but even this past
election just proves that we have the power to decide
who represents us, what ideas, you know, gain the authority
over our communities, et cetera, et cetera. But it really
is more of a question of us deciding for ourselves

(01:42:47):
and for our children, who and whom will influence us.
And you talk if you're if you're the kind of
person that wants to expose your children to as much
as what is going on in our society, you have
to be there to kind of help them understand. They

(01:43:08):
may not understand the full definition of anything that they
hear or read. That's why you're there to explain to filter.
You know, That's all I can say. We have the
power to decide who will influence us, what will influence us,

(01:43:29):
And certainly, as parents, we have the responsibility to talk
with our children and to make certain that they are
getting the meaning that we want them to have out
of any anything they see, read, or hear in our environment.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
Fourteen half that top, we're going to talk politics. But
I got to ask you, using minister farca on as
an example, if we hear a speech by minutester Falcon,
white folks here a speech by minutes of farc can
both grow come away with a different assessment with that
speech is even though we hear the same thing and
Holy response for a minute, Doc, because we've got to

(01:44:07):
step aside. We got to take this quick break and
I'll let you explain if that happens, because because it
seems like we'll hear the same speech and the white
folks here, some of them, and they're slamming Minister Farcon,
and like, what are they upset about?

Speaker 5 (01:44:21):
What do you say?

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
It's true? So I'm trying to figure out how these
messages change by the time they reach the person. See
if you can explain that, Like that great, and then
we'll talk some politics. It's its been a big change.
Family YouTube and get in our conversation with doctor Derby Fox.
You can reach us at eight hundred four or five
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(01:44:41):
next and Grant Rising family, thanks for staying with us
on this Thursday morning. We're like, yes, doctor Jermy Fox.
You know, as I keep mentioning this book, it's a workbook.
It's the best selling workbook Addicted to white They oppressed
in league with the oppressor, a shame based alliance. Before
the break though, my question to doctor Fox is if
two people can your message and come away to different interpretation,

(01:45:02):
and I was using Minister farc as an example. Doctor Fox.

Speaker 8 (01:45:07):
Yes, well, there are three things to keep in mind.
The first thing is that there is such a thing
as the truth. I touch on this in the preface
of my no Acknowledgments of my workbook Addicted to White.

(01:45:30):
There is such a thing as the truth. Our adversaries
are constantly trying to convince us that truth is relative
or subjective. We speak in terms or they speak in
terms of I certainly don't in terms of you know,
your truth. That kind of phrase is very popular, maybe

(01:45:55):
about a decade ago, and has remained so, well, that's
your truth. Well, if it's just my truth, it's not
truth at all. Truth by its very nature is universal.
So that's the first point that people need to keep
in mind. And now the second point is that there
are some people, and perhaps maybe even most people, who

(01:46:20):
hear what they want to hear. Uh, you know, most
of life is defeasible. Then that we can bring some
kind of rango chanal to anything we hear or see
to support where we already are on a particular issue.
You know, people read their scriptures Bible, Koran, whatever, and

(01:46:45):
interpret those readings or their you know, scriptures in a
way that will support uh where they are are are
are at in a particular issue. That's what I called.
That's why I say in one of my writings that uh,

(01:47:07):
the real religion of people is medism, because we don't
ever depart from me, me, me, me, unfortunately, and we
use everything in our environment to just just defy where
we are already at. As as I've said, so, people
hear what they want to hear, or some people do.

(01:47:31):
So that would explain why perhaps a white person will
listen to Minister Pharaka and come away with something completely
a complete departure from the truth of what he actually said.
They want to be angry with him, and they want

(01:47:51):
us to not be influenced by him, and of course
they have their own agenda in that regard. He's speaks
a lot of truth, as many other people do. That
if we absorb that truth, it might make us a
little less willing to put up with the crap from

(01:48:13):
our enemies. And our enemies of course realize that and
want to steer us away from that, and of course
they want to steer their own work at hearts away
from the truth that he may be speaking. By the way,
anybody can speak the truth. Anybody can pick up the
truth and make the truth, even the devil, according to

(01:48:33):
the Christian scripture, even the devil speaks the truth from
time to time. Although the devil is the father, is
the father of lies, and all of those who support
lies are the Devil's demons children, but any rate. So
that's one thing. That's the second thing. People can use

(01:48:57):
whatever they hear or read in order to just define
where where they're where they are already at. So if
I hate Minister Pharakh, I'm not gonna be able to
hear any truth coming from him. And that's my problem,
not not minister pharakhns. On the other hand, if you

(01:49:20):
are open to the truth and what Minister Pharakhan is
saying happens to be truth, but a truth about you know,
our enemies, let's say, for instance, then of course you
as a black person, are going to be very receptive
to that. So you may be and we need not

(01:49:42):
be afraid of saying to a person who is distorting
the truth, yes, this is what this person is saying
or what this person has wrote is the truth. Whether you,
I or anybody else are disturbed by it. Sometimes we
are so concerned about particularly what our enemies think of

(01:50:07):
you know, somebody else, or or so careful, as I
say in the book too, not to offend our enemies.
They have conditioned us not to offend them, because obviously,
during our captivity, to offend a white person would have
been me, would have signed your death warrant. So we've
been conditioned two or death certificate. Rather, we have been

(01:50:33):
conditioned to not want to offend uh white folks. So
we may even hear what Minister of far Can says
and agree with our white counterparts that in their distortion
of the truth that he may be speaking. So that

(01:50:54):
explains that if you're not afraid of offending white people,
and Minister Can to speak the truth, then you're going
to gravitate toward that truth. If you're already conditioned, perhaps
as a white person, to hate the truth about yourself,
the white person themselves, and all the wickedness and evil

(01:51:17):
they have visited upon black people worldwide, then of course
you're going to hear something different. I remember the Jews
in particular, and perhaps are still angry at Minister again
for saying something to the effect that to their ears

(01:51:41):
that the the Jewish Judaism is a dirty language. Now,
of course from what I understand, and that's not really
what he said, but of course they want to hear that.
He said, Any religion that oppresses in so many words,
and I'm paraphrasing, that oppresses another people, uh, be it

(01:52:03):
the Palestinians, black people, whatever, is a dirty religion. The
religion that you are practicing. You could be a Christian
like during the Middle Ages in which they were these
crusaders committing all kinds of atrocities throughout the world, calling
themselves converting people to uh to Christianity, but doing nothing

(01:52:28):
more than conquering and oppressing people.

Speaker 5 (01:52:33):
You know, you can.

Speaker 8 (01:52:37):
How I interpret what he said is that that would
apply his statement would apply equally to the conquistadors or
the uh you know, so called Christian conquerors during the
Middle Ages. Which is, if you if your religion tells
us you to mistreat people, just to put it in
plain language that they're inferior to you or in one

(01:53:03):
way or another because of race or because of their
religion or lack thereof, that's a dirty religion. And I
don't think anybody could disagree with that. If indeed that's
what he was saying. Certainly that is what I heard
him saying. But that's just an example well of how

(01:53:26):
how you can hear different things, but the truth is
always there for anyone to access.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Gotcha. Twenty nine after the top. Now let's go over
to politics. Now, doctor Fox, what happened to the last elections?
Did America wake up or something?

Speaker 8 (01:53:45):
Well, I'm glad you mentioned it because if you recall,
maybe it was the last time it was on this program,
and at the time before or when you had asked
us to come up with at least two actions our
community could take to uh, you know, address this current

(01:54:08):
crisis with that clansman in chief in the over office
in the old office. And I mentioned at the time
two things and then the two immediate things and then
one long range thing, which is to start this process
of detoxifect our brains from this uh white world view

(01:54:32):
and a system of values, value system disorder. Uh. And
one of the things I mentioned was we must vote
not because we think that and that we put in
office will solve our problems for us. It's so quick
to give up once again our agency, but because they

(01:54:56):
can limit these uh uh, the opposition that we face
you know, it goes up or down depending on an
intensity it got. The intensity of the opposition to black
people in our communities go up and down, uh, depending

(01:55:17):
on who's in office at the time. And that's why
you must vote to make certain that that our position
is kept minimal while we we give us some time
and space to get our act together without constantly being
you know, oppressed or assaulted by this system. Uh. Some people,

(01:55:39):
to give just a quick example, will say, in response
to my prescription in the world and in my workbook,
to form these groups almost like you know, similar to
the AA meetings and begin using this workbook to detoxify
your mind. Well, some people will say, you know, I

(01:56:01):
don't have the time. I'm working two jobs, three jobs whatever.
Un that can be a valid uh situation. So if
you want to overcome that situation, whereby you will will
have more time to think about yourself and work on
yourself and not have to work for three jobs, but

(01:56:22):
maybe just one job. You vote for the people who
are saying just that, like a Bernie Sanders or whatever
that or Elizabeth Warren, that nobody should have to work
three jobs in order to live in this society. So
anybody that's supporting that view. That will take one or

(01:56:45):
two of those jobs off of your plate so that
you'll have more energy and more focus on getting your
head together to fight for our liberation. You vote for
that person. The uh, the so called Hispanic so called
brown people. Uh you know, we're particularly the males were

(01:57:08):
attracted to uh this clansman in chief. But they woke up.
Talk about being woke. I said during my previous m
presentation that also, don't be turned off by the word woke. Yes,
we want to be woke.

Speaker 11 (01:57:27):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:57:27):
Being woke serves us. So I guess some people who
have joined my chorus and have have awakened. But unfortunately
it's just not a matter of just voting one time.
This situation will not be in under control until uh
the next year's uh uh you know election, uh, whereby

(01:57:51):
we can put in different people in Congress, and that's
where people need to focus on. This is so you know,
bickering about folding or not folding at this point, it
really doesn't matter because these devils will remain steadfast on
their agenda, and their agenda does not serve the American

(01:58:13):
population as a whole. So as long as they keep
their evil intact. We will have more than enough as
as you know, people voters, we will have more than
enough motivation to get it out and vote these people
out of office this coming next November, November twenty sixth.

(01:58:38):
So I was just glad that people who utilize their
agency to decide who will represent them or what ideas
need to be pushed forward.

Speaker 1 (01:58:53):
Twenty seven away from the top of that, what doctor Fox,
will this energy that they have right now, will it
continue or will it subsibe as we move closer to well, people.

Speaker 8 (01:59:01):
Are lazy and and forgetful, and and unfortunately very and
that kind of laziness and and forgetfulness is self destructive.
That's why you know, if you have a decent leader,
they will keep this ever before your eyes. That's why
that you say never again. And every year, particularly during

(01:59:23):
our month Black History Month, Uh, you will see all
kinds of public TV uh programs about the Holocaust. And
I think you know why I during our month, but
they want to keep it before the world's eyes. Uh
that you know, they're they're alert and they're woke about uh,

(01:59:46):
never allowing what they their hollow costs to occur. Again,
we need to do the same thing. Just keep it
before your eyes. Uh, I'll continue talking. One of the suggestions,
as like Aves said, as you run into people on
the bus, in the pharmacy, in the grocery store, Uh

(02:00:08):
talk it up and still continue to talk about uh
this unaffordability, about all kinds of attacks on our community,
on the immigrant community, et cetera, et cetera. Just keep
talking it up so that it will be freshen people's

(02:00:28):
minds when they go uh whether when they have to
decide next year November around the same time next year, uh,
whether or not to vote and for whom to vote.
So that's the strategy there. Just and hopefully these stupid democrats,
too many of them are stupid, will do the same.

(02:00:51):
Keep keep it on on the on the keep talking
about all of the atrocities that this uh kleptomaniac clansmen
in the White House is doing against the people.

Speaker 1 (02:01:09):
We the people twenty five away from the top. Yes,
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(02:01:30):
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to doctor Fox. Let's go to Connecticut the Cliff's wedding
for us. He's online one Cliff, your question for doctor Fox.

Speaker 12 (02:02:12):
My grammar is my brother Kyle. And then to doctor Fox.
Before I get to my question, the pronunciation of the
Underwald Minister Lewis Farah Khan. You know you said it
like five times, Farah Khan, and I apologize just as
got next to me, because I've heard white conservative mispronounce

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his name on purpose, you know, So, Sarah Khan, if that.

Speaker 5 (02:02:39):
Makes any sense?

Speaker 12 (02:02:41):
Oh absolutely, okay, thank you, sir, And I agree with
most you said to My question is in reference to politics,
Republican Democrats politics, in my opinion, particularly as I've seen
this whole situation with Charlie Kirk. I believe white Christian
nationalists and now he has it the little movement which

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is supporting Trump based on religion. And then so also
I'm seeing that throughout the power that's manifested in America,
it's all based on religion. So what am I saying?
White Christians or Catholics, Christians, they have the power in
this country and we're still being mistreated as black. Now

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in New York we had the election of a new man, Donnie,
and he is a Muslim. So would he, in your opinion,
have a different outlook and treatment towards black people or
would it be based on the same as Democrats and
Republicans regarding the outcome or the result or of lifting.

Speaker 5 (02:03:44):
Of black people.

Speaker 8 (02:03:46):
Well, you've asked that two questions and one that may
her address this issue of the so called white Christian nationalist.
You talk about your pet peeves. This is really a
pet peeve of mine. These people that the media, both

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black and white media insist upon calling white Christian nationalists,
are not Christians at all, and people need to do
their research. You know, read the scripture here. It will
tell you. I have many scriptures that I've written down
that relate directly to what these people are doing. And

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in all of those scriptures, the Christian scriptures, they are
described as demons that their father is the devil, who
is also the father of lies. So anybody that supports
or follows a liar is the child of the devil,

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which we are instructed to call demons. So they are
not Christians. And I know that you know, so called journalists, Uh,
these days are very can be very sloppy, but sometimes
you have to say a little more in order to
get at the truth. So rather than just very lazily saying,

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you know, white Christian nationalists tell the truth, Uh, the
white Christian nationalist is not the truth. The truth is
that these are white folk who call the white nationalists
who call themselves Christian. That's an extremely important point. They
are not Christian, but indeed they do call themselves Christian

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and are invested and reinforcing that idea. As I think
your previous I guess I'm thinking about how things get
into our brain and are reinforced every time you use
that that that term to respond to refer to them. Uhh,

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it really gets into your maraine, that these people are Christians.
And if you also have in your brain that Christian
the the association, the neurological association between Christian and good, uh,
which a lot of Christians do have in their mind,
and that to be a Christian, a christ follower is good.

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So so you already have that neurological connection in your
mind Christian good. So every time, even when you're criticizing
them but still calling them Christians, Uh, it's sort of
subverts even the point that people are trying to make
about them not being good people. So stop calling these

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people Christians, even journalists. The accurate description is that these
are white racists, so called nationalists, who call of themselves Christians.
And I would just add to purposefully deceive the people.
But I mean, that's this one of my little pet piece.

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Your other issue is that I try to stay away from,
you know, religion and what religion is the better one
or or or or the this that or the other.
Most religions, and I've looked at a few. Most religions

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can be analyzed on three dimensions. The first dimission is
his historical are these are are these scriptures?

Speaker 5 (02:07:47):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (02:07:47):
Scriptures? Rather are historically correct what they are talking about?
You know, was there really a Moses? What did this
Moses look like? Etcetera, etcetera. These are historical.

Speaker 5 (02:08:02):
Issues.

Speaker 8 (02:08:03):
The second level is the moral level, and I'll get
back to that. And then the third, of course, being
the spiritual level. Now a lot most religions have or
their own UH way to a heavenly kind of of
of existence, whether they call it heavenly or not. Uh So,

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religions differ in terms of their spiritual UH teachings. They
also make different in terms of their historical teachings. But
most religions have the same moral code and in truth
and living in this world with many different people or
who believe many different things. That's the only thing I'm

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concerned with is your moral code, whether you call it Muslim, Christian,
juda Is or whatever. Across those major religions, and I
mean any others, they all have the same moral code.
And if you are following what we've come to know

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as being moral, uh, that's the only thing that we
need to be concerned about. In other words, are you
caring for the poor?

Speaker 12 (02:09:20):
Are you.

Speaker 8 (02:09:23):
Caring for the widow? Are you caring for their children?
Are you allowing rich people to abuse the poor? Et cetera,
on and on and on. So we all have the
same kind of sensibility to what is right and what
is wrong. And as long as these people are serving

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those ethical moral codes, I don't care what they call themselves, Muslim, Christian,
Jew whatever. That's my response.

Speaker 1 (02:09:55):
All right, turn away from the top. Out with Dodgers
Fox eight times hear you eight hundred four five zero, Kevin,
can you tell us up a little bit? So doctor
Fox in here's eight hundred four five zero seventy eight
seventy six. Money Mike is online too, He's in Baltimore.
Money Mike. You on with doctor Fox.

Speaker 6 (02:10:15):
Good morning car, Good morning doctor Fox in Hoami. Yes, okay,
Doctor Fox, I got a question for you you talked
about the Jews saying this will never happen again. That
phrase resonates with most Americans. Why don't we take a
page out of their playbook? And I'm talking about when
we looked at a at a commercial that used to

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come on years ago, and it would be a Native
American and he'd be looking into a polluted stream with
cash and cans and bottles. We we we we recognize
that the minute we see If we recognize that, Jeeves,
the Holocaust will never occur again, why don't we get
a marketing campaign? And I'll tell you the answers, because
we don't want to spend the money to do it.

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But as a group of collective we are not gonna
change the minds of most of the people that occupy
this country if we don't market to them and let
them see our plate. Because now with the current situations,
most children aren't learning about slavery, they aren't learning the story.
And if we don't put it out there and market

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it and advertise it on every Sunday, I watched Native
Americans being slaughtered by by soldiers, by by cowboys, and
that that that got into my psyche. But very seldom
accept on a Black History Month with roots and and
and seven days of Slave or whatever the main move is.
And we don't see it, and we're not gonna see it,

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and they're not gonna see it unless we come together
and get a marketing campaign.

Speaker 8 (02:11:44):
That's why I wrote my work book and truth. Uh
you know, whether we have the funds or not, uh
uh you know, start a campaign. Our first that is
to get our minds on the same wavelength when we

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say we we we maybe And many of these people
who you might want to do something like that don't
even want to consider themselves to be a part of
our community.

Speaker 7 (02:12:18):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (02:12:18):
You know.

Speaker 8 (02:12:19):
I speak to black people and some of them will say,
you can keep saying, doctor Foss, you get saying we,
uh what we are you talking about? And these are
black people. So until we get our mind on the
same wavelength, there'll be no you don't know, financial you
know campaign uh to you know, keep this ever present.

Speaker 5 (02:12:43):
But I do.

Speaker 8 (02:12:45):
Uh support uh the sentiment behind that. I've often said
the same thing that you know, you hear these Jews
belly aching about their holocausts all year long, and we
need to be doing the same. I would agree with you.
Taking the page from their book, but they have also

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over the years taught their history in their synagogues. We're
not teaching our history in our churches nor in our homes.
So here again we've refused to take control over our lives.
We can make certain that our children know our history,

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even if we have to teach it to them ourselves,
knowing that the schools that we send them to aren't
doing so. We can also establish, as we did in
the sixties, our own independent African consus, knowing then that
that's we teach correct, truthful history. But you know, until

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we exercise our agency beginning in our own home homes.
And if you can't do that, stop bringing it. As
I said repeatedly, stop bringing these black babies into this
mess that you're refusing to do anything about. That's my
response to that, Doctor Fox.

Speaker 6 (02:14:18):
Can I say one more thing, Doctor Fox. When I
grew up as a child, I saw my little Jewish
buddies and girls go to Hebrew school. We were taken
out of public school twice a week to go and
learn about their culture, and I acknowledge the same thing.

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We don't have the urgency, and I hate to put
us down, but if we can't see. Somebody has shown
us the way, but we failed to see it, even
when it comes to economics, you know, so it's so
many more see see.

Speaker 8 (02:14:53):
But I have to interrupt here because it's something that
I say over and over again. I would suggest that you,
if you don't have my workbook, that you get it
and read it, because this is everything that you're saying. Unfortunately,
we get stuck at the level of just describing our

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problems over and over and over again. But in truth,
there are four steps two problems solvedly. The first is
indeed to describe the problem, hopefully accurately, which we have
problems even with that. What we think is the problem
is not really the crux or the root of the problem.

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And the next is to generate possible solutions to that problem,
and then test one of those solutions and see if
it solves the problem. Evaluate, which is the fourth step,
the outcome of that test, and if it doesn't solve
the problem, then you can go back to any one

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of those other steps, previous steps, and do it all
over again and two until the problem is solved. But
we get stuck at describing over and over again. We
don't do this, and we don't do that, and we
treat each other this way. Okay, we know that because
we're sick people, our minds have been conditioned. I mentioned

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that in in the work book as well as well
over centuries of of you know, oppression. This is the result,
and we shouldn't be surprised at the result. The our
task then is to start attacking these issues, uh, these

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mental because really what you're describing is is a mental condition.
Our minds have been condition to work against ourselves. And
it's indeed that is the true problem, not the fact
that we're not doing this and we're not doing that.
The true problem is that our brains are messed up.

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They have been a condition to work against ourselves. And
if indeed that is the problem, then we have to
address that brain issue, of which we also refuse to do.
But you know that that is the only talk that
we need to hear. Now, how do we get ourselves

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out of this mental blind of seeing the world through
white eyes? And that's why I wrote this whole work book.

Speaker 1 (02:17:37):
Oh that's all right, then, doctor Fosxer got a step
aside for full moments. So station just gonna identify from
themselves down the line of four minutes away from the
Topay family. I guess this Doctor Jeremy Fox's book is
titled Addicted to White, the Oppressed in League with the
Oppressor of shame based Alliance. We'll talk to doctor Fox
at eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six.
We'll do that next Grand Rising family. Thanks for sticking

(02:17:58):
with us on this Thursday morning. And I guess it's
doctor Jerumy Fox. I keep mentioning his book. It's a
work book, it's the best selling work book. It's title
Addicted to White, the Oppressed in League with the Oppressor,
a shame based alliance. We got a tweak for him.
We got some folks want to talk to you, doctor Fox.
Let's go to Miller. Miller's calling from Washington, DC Online
one Grand Rising Miller, You're on with doctor Fox.

Speaker 9 (02:18:18):
Good morning, Good morning, my brothers.

Speaker 3 (02:18:20):
Doctor Fox.

Speaker 10 (02:18:21):
I'm a huge fan of yours.

Speaker 8 (02:18:22):
Sometimes I think you must read my mind.

Speaker 9 (02:18:25):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (02:18:28):
Just a quick comment. Brother called in a little while ago,
little slap on.

Speaker 13 (02:18:33):
The wrist for the misspronunciation of fair CON's name, and
he spoke about the ass sound. Right after he did that,
he referred to the mayor of New York and he
called him Mam Donnie. So he did the exact same
thing that he jumped on you. So I just wanted
to make that a wedness that we have to be fair.
We got two things across the board.

Speaker 3 (02:18:55):
So that's all. That's just my quick comment.

Speaker 8 (02:18:59):
I know I do something at least the effort to
pronounce people's name correctly is important for me. It's a
matter of respect.

Speaker 3 (02:19:13):
And I leave.

Speaker 8 (02:19:14):
The brother wasn't really chastising, he was just trying to help.
But thank you.

Speaker 9 (02:19:22):
I agree, I agree, I agree, all right, thank you.
Take care of my brothers, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:19:27):
Thanks Miller eight five zero seventy eight seventy six of
the brother Shaheed's checking in from ben Stey, Brooklyn. He's
online to Grand Rising, Brother Shaheed, a question for doctor.

Speaker 10 (02:19:37):
Fox, Grand Rising, Grand Rising, my beloved brothers. Doctor Fox,
I hope you're the right person to put this question to.
I'm curious, out of all the texts in the world,
and of all the texts that I have read, this phenomena,

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this magnanimous phenomena of the parting of the Red Sea,
why is it that no other people know or that
every other people who can read and write, have not
charnaculized an analysis and a view of that occurrence in

(02:20:18):
the world other than the to gael Christian books that
have been written by these people. You respond, could I please?

Speaker 8 (02:20:31):
Yeah, I don't think you're going to like my answer.
But number one, I don't know, and number two, I
try not to get bogged down into religion with people.
I use scripture only as a method, only in those
scriptures since that speak to revolution like envy, thou not

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the oppressor, because much of our protests historically, I believe
it's been out of envy of our wicked oppressor. So
other than that, I don't try to get bogged down
into the history or whatever. I'm looking for nuggets of

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wisdom to guide our revolution. So I don't know, and
it's not something that I have any expertise in.

Speaker 1 (02:21:27):
All right, thank you, brother, calling from Brooklyn. Doctor Fox
has got some tweet question for your doctor Fox. This
question says, quoted directly, doctor Fox, what should black people
be doing to help themselves during this administration? It seems
we're in shock.

Speaker 8 (02:21:42):
Well, first of all, you know, I gave if they
were listening the last time or the time before that,
I was on the air. I gave it's two or
three things that we must do until uh in order
to come out of this on on top. And the

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first thing was that, you know, raise our children properly, uh,
you know, informed them as to what is going on
and and so saiety, and train them to be responses
to our needs as a group, not just their own,

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you know, personal desires for wealth and fame. We must
And I said, you know, we must encourage our children
to become military person at all, because we want to
be in the mix. I was surprised as I had
arrived at that conclusion myself, because I'm very anti military

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of this nation. But we have to be there to
make certain that the military is not turned against us.
We to train our children or encourage our children to
be civil rights attorneys and cyber experts, because warfare is
the next level and we need to be right in

(02:23:12):
the midst of it once again to make certain that
those cyber weapons are not turned against our communities. I
also said that we needed to vote and in truth,
as you know, Malcolm said the ballot or or the bullet,

(02:23:32):
which was taken from a movie by a similar title,
that bullets or ballots was the name of the movie,
in the nineteen thirty six movie. But I said, we
need to take that very seriously and use the weapon
of voting, which I mentioned in my book when I
talk about the weapons that we have at our disposal

(02:23:54):
right now, if you don't have the book, please get it,
and one of those weapons is the ballot. We can
vote most of these clowns out of office next November.
Don't forget it. May certain that you're there, and I
would just say, vote a straight Democrat if you never
voted before, just this, votes straight Democrat. Not because all

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those people are excellent people, but they have attached themselves
to an agenda that will that will relieve some of
the stress.

Speaker 5 (02:24:30):
On our lives.

Speaker 8 (02:24:31):
And that's all we can expect from you know, this system,
this wicked system of politics. The rest we have to
do ourselves. But we have to have less stress on
our lives in order to conccentrate on and what we
must and can do for ourselves. So those are basically

(02:24:52):
things that we need to do. For other weapons. You
can get my book and read the chapter on weapons
that we have at our disposal.

Speaker 1 (02:25:01):
All right after the top was a tweet question for
doctor Fox. Doctor Fox, A person says, Grand Rising, where
you asked doctor Fox about the Christians that Trump says
are being killed in Nigeria. Were those Christians black?

Speaker 8 (02:25:18):
I think he is talking about the some of the
strikes that may be between communities, religious communities and in Nigeria.
I don't know if he's talking about you know, white
missionaries or whatever. I'm not sure, but I think he's
talking about some of the tension between various religions, you know,

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within that nation.

Speaker 5 (02:25:43):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:25:43):
But there again, I'm surprised that anybody would even pay
any attention to anything that that deemon and says he's
not concerned about what what happens to black people in
in Africa. If he were, he would not have opened
up the doors uh to those white u apartheight savages

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in South Africa and in South Africa, uh to come
to America. Uh number one. And he also would have
kept the funding of the us ah I D the
us AID program that was, you know, providing medicine and

(02:26:31):
food throughout Africa to black people throughout Africa. So you know,
he's not concerned about really anything except aligning his pockets.
He's a kleptomaniac and a malignant narcissists. So I wouldn't
pay attention to that.

Speaker 1 (02:26:52):
All right, ten, I have the top Fox. Fox. You
mentioned that people should vote, and especially in the midterms,
But don't you think that the current administration has that already?
Fearing their plan, there's going to be some blowback. How
do you think they're going to respond to that?

Speaker 8 (02:27:08):
Well, then you know, we particularly now have to be
ever so alert, ever so woke. H. We have no idea.
He's seems to literally be building an armed his own
personal army uh to go out there, and we have
to be aware of that and be ready to respond
and with equal force.

Speaker 7 (02:27:30):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:27:30):
He's trying to intimidate people, you know, not to vote
or whatever.

Speaker 5 (02:27:36):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:27:37):
But there again, I mean he put up that same
kind the threat uh this last time. But it didn't
work because as people came out anyhow, despite whatever fears
they may have, particularly with the Spanish speaking with our
Spanish speaking neighbors, they came out anyhow to vote. And

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we have to do the same period, you know, hopefully
if there is any kind of physical encounter.

Speaker 5 (02:28:08):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:28:08):
The local governments, many of whom many of which are
controlled by black mayors or or whatever local officials uh
who uh run the election, you know, equipment and whatever.
Hopefully they'll be able to stop any effort on a

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part of Trump's uh illegal militia uh to to stop
people from voting. So we'll just have to see. But
hopefully we are ready, are our cities and our states
are ready to respond.

Speaker 1 (02:28:49):
All right? Right now to the top. Now, there's an
open rebellion amongst the Republicans against Donald Trump. And even they.

Speaker 8 (02:28:58):
Haven't come that uh that that anti Trump yet.

Speaker 5 (02:29:04):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:29:05):
You know, we know that they are are always uh
looking for ways to enrich themselves, and that's just why
they want to stay in office. But hopefully we can
vote them out. But that's that's why they stuck to
Trump like glue, thinking that the maga bas uh was

(02:29:27):
sufficient enough to keep them in office. And I think
this last election kind of jolted them out of that delusion.
So now they're offering maybe a little little bit more resistance.
We'll see how far it goes. But go ahead.

Speaker 1 (02:29:43):
Yeah, I was going to say, but this is caused
by Epstein Epstein files. Many of them, especially the Republican wins. Yeah,
they're they're just we want to see all the files.
Being probably what he would describe as being defiant, they're
asking for these files. Do you think these Epstein files
because if they're ever released, and there's a question where

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they'll all be totally released, because they will contain both
Republicans and Democrats, and so lit'sten put that out there.
It's not just Republicans and not just you know, Republicans
in those files. Do you think this will be the
tipping point for this administration?

Speaker 5 (02:30:18):
Well, we don't know. My belief.

Speaker 8 (02:30:21):
As I talked to people, people will ask why do
these people will still continue to why does his base
still can continue to support him? And I believe that
most of the pundits and most of the journalists that

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we see on TV or read their articles in magazines
got it wrong. And here again you hear and you
view things in the way and the light that you
that you want to view them. I would love to
tell some of these even so called liberal journalists that

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you keep asking the question why do these people continue
to support Trump? The reason is it's because he.

Speaker 5 (02:31:14):
Reflects their.

Speaker 8 (02:31:17):
Hatred for the other, and mostly the other is black people,
people who call themselves so called brown, The blackness is
a political category. It's not a complexion. Which are so
called brown brothers and sisters need to understand they are black.

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They are treated as black people politically. So the reason
why folks still stick to him, they say that his
support is wavering between that's still too way too much,

(02:32:01):
gives in his idiocy and his sickness, But they stick
with him because he reflects their hatred for black people,
and their hatred as I describe them in my book,
I think the beginning the second chapter with the description

(02:32:22):
of of of these people who support him. Uh, there
is nothing more important to their sense of self and
safety than their hatred for other people. I mean that.

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As I said, the world has paid a catastrophic price
for ignoring the psychopathology of white oppressors. White oppressors are
a personality disordered individuals who are unperturbed by the symptoms
of their disorder. Though their behavior has caused considerable hardship

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for the targets of their hatred and even sometimes I'll
add themselves, they systematically fail to correct the distorted lenses
through which they view the world. Indeed, their lenses are
afraid so snugly. And here's the important piece by their

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personal and cultural identities. You know, I'm white, you're black.
To change spectacles would feel like self annihilation. So to
give up their racism would be almost like committing suicide.
And that's something that I don't think these pundits and

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these journalists realize, and in part they don't want to realize.
These white journalists and plundents don't want to realize because
even the so called the liberal ones, their mother, their father,
their dentists, their attorney, their physician, their neighbors are all

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racist and call it.

Speaker 1 (02:34:16):
Right and hold up all right there, doc, because we
got to take a show bat when we come back, though,
I hear what you say, and I'll let you finish
that thought. But tell what about the black magas we
got to focus. We got some black supporters even what's
going on now, and they call here on Friday? What
about them? Is itself?

Speaker 5 (02:34:30):
Aby to?

Speaker 1 (02:34:31):
All right, I'll let you explain that when we get
back from this big family as eighteen minutes after the
top of it, I'll grab some substance from your soul
from doctor Fox and reach us an eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six I'm
we take your phone calls next and Grant Rising family
twenty one minutes after top. Thanks for staying with us
on this Thursday morning. I guess is a clinical psichologist,
doctor jerome E. Fox. I keep telling you about his book.

(02:34:53):
You gotta read his book. It's and I'm not trying
to sell the book, but you'll answer a lot of
questions that you have. And the title of the book
is addicted to why the Oppressed in League with the
Oppressor and the part I like the best of the
subtitle as shame based Alliance. Doctor Fox, before we left,
you mentioned that white folks who support Donald Trump because
they be identify with him. They hate the same things

(02:35:14):
and the same people that he hates. Now, what about
the blacks, the Blacks for Trumps. There's a group in
Miami called Blacks for Trump's. You've got black maggot as
well as a bunch of those folks out there as well.

Speaker 8 (02:35:24):
What's the issue, Well, let me just say, a superordinate
issue that covers the whole issue is another topic that
I discussed in the book, which is fear. As I
was saying about our white neighbors who consider them us

(02:35:49):
to be liberal and not you know racist, if in
this that is true, they are surrounded by rat is
perhaps in their family and their neighborhood, except and their
fear of losing. It's a kind of uh primordial fear

(02:36:13):
of being alone and and and you know, having to
fight the elements by yourself. It's kindd of embedded in
our primitive mind that this is not a good situation
to be alone. When we were struggling to fight the

(02:36:34):
dinosaurs and and whatever elements in our environment, to do
that alone, which was almost a sentence, uh for sure death,
So we retain that even in our more modern times.
So the idea of being uh unable to survive both

(02:36:59):
mentally and certainly physically or ties these people to their
racist neighbors and family members. And they know that it's wrong,
so they twist their mind to kind of ignore what's
going on, and then constantly ask the question, you know,

(02:37:20):
why are these maga pa sticking with Trump? Well, you
know why, I would like to say them because he
is a racist, and being racist is the most important
thing in their lives. It's not money, it's not economics,
it's not healthcare. It's need and to feel superior to

(02:37:43):
someone else. And that's this is what these pundits and
journalists will never say that that's the most important thing
in their hearts and minds, and that's why they stick
with Trump. Now, why do black people I had just
said in respect to another question, an earlier question that

(02:38:04):
you know, as as we try to describe our people
over and over and over again, what we think is
the problem is not really the problem deeply rooted, as
I said on page sixteen, deeply rooted of my workbook,
centuries long ongoing oppression is devastatingly traumatic, and unfortunately we

(02:38:31):
under those kinds of conditions, a people made the decide
not to fight back. It's like, if you can't beat them,
join them. And these back so called magao have have
concluded through centuries of oppression that that is it's safer.

(02:38:58):
It all goes back to fear once again, fear of
not being able to survive, and certainly if they want
to thrive, block being blocked from thriving and u and
with the definition that white folks have given them, like
you would thrive through having a whole lot of creature

(02:39:19):
comforts and whatever, and these people have are so addicted
to white that they have adopted their definitions of the
good life as well, and they're afraid that they won't
be able to enjoy the so called good life as
defined by their enemies. So if you can't beat them,

(02:39:42):
join them. And centuries of oppressure and have have really
undercut our willingness and an ability to fight back. That's
why we have to beg black people to go and vote.
I mean, given all of the stuff that's coming at us,
we should be the most voting people in America, voting

(02:40:03):
at eighty and ninety percent. But we've been treating not
to support ourselves, not to defend ourselves. As I say,
I go to bed thinking like a general, and I
get up thinking like a general. We have been conditioned
and not to be that way in order to, in

(02:40:27):
other words, to just be dependent upon our enemies, as
ridiculous as that may sound, but to be dependent upon
our enemies to take care of us. And if you're
of that mindsets that you're more than willing to join
with them, hoping that you'll be the exception to their hatred,

(02:40:52):
that they'll that they'll want a few token black folk
among them as they throw some crumb off their table
to you. But with the condition, with the proviso that
you never and I say this in the book as well,
that you never speak against them or do anything against them.

(02:41:14):
And too many of us are willing to agree to
that contract. And that's what's going on there. But it's
all on fear.

Speaker 5 (02:41:24):
Fear.

Speaker 1 (02:41:24):
Well, Jman to ask you this question, how does how
do they see the Black magas they see it? Doesn't
have distaste for them, you.

Speaker 8 (02:41:31):
See, they see them as being fools and idiots. They
don't have any respect for them. They're using them, and
the Black Maga have decided that Okay, here's my behind.
You can kick it as long as you can give
me a few crumbs from your table.

Speaker 1 (02:41:50):
I at black Magas who call on Friday, calling now
and challenge Doctor Fox eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six, that's the number. JR. Is
using it. She's going from Ohio. She's online one grind
rising J. Are you're on with Doctor Fox?

Speaker 5 (02:42:06):
Jay?

Speaker 1 (02:42:06):
Are there online? One?

Speaker 6 (02:42:08):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (02:42:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:42:10):
There you go ahead?

Speaker 14 (02:42:13):
Okay, great, thank you.

Speaker 6 (02:42:16):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (02:42:16):
I would like to first say, uh, that reminded me
when the elder just said he waked up thinking like
a general go to bed thinking like a general, and
I just want to say I shay and rest in
power to an activist in Cincinnati, the late General Kebaka
all the the People's General, because he believes in that
very concept. Now really quickly, I wanted to say this

(02:42:39):
and being right to my question is I do appreciate also, Elder,
that you pushed back and took the task this idea
of why don't we and we should? And I'm very
glad you asked a question because that's what I always
want to ask, is who is we and and why
do we quote unquote leave the teaching of all the

(02:43:00):
things that our children need to know in terms of
whether it's quite iCal economics or on our history or otherwise,
or how the way these systems works that is for
us in the home to do it and shop stand
the week. It's just my opinion.

Speaker 8 (02:43:16):
Now, answer my question, I'm not sure I fully understand
you're saying that you're saying stop saying the we.

Speaker 14 (02:43:25):
Well, I'm just basically agreeing with you earlier, Oh okay,
and took to cast the whole concept of why don't
we and we should put money behind that? Why don't
we have black schools and you know, so that I
was basically agreeing with you. Okay, so real fast. My

(02:43:46):
question for you is, in the same way that you
earlier spoke about basically taking the mask off of white
Christian nationalism so called right and how you said, really
we shouldn't call them Christians because that convinces us in
our own minds that they actually are Christian, right you

(02:44:07):
follow you said that earlier. So to that end, I'd
love to hear you if you have an opinion on it.
I feel this exact same way, although I can't typically
express it too widely because people are so sensitive, but
that in the same way, we ought not call that

(02:44:28):
group of people who call.

Speaker 6 (02:44:30):
Themselves quote unquote.

Speaker 14 (02:44:32):
Jews and bigger than that, especially, we should not acknowledge
the very word anti Semitism because we know that. First well,
I won't get into that. I would just say we
shouldn't acknowledge it. And if we could change our thinking
in the same way that you said, don't think of
them as Christians, don't even use that term, perhaps we

(02:44:55):
can start moving that way with this made up concept
of anti sismatism.

Speaker 5 (02:45:01):
And all the.

Speaker 14 (02:45:03):
Non physical ideas that that particular quote unquote community support
I hope that makes sense, and thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 8 (02:45:13):
Yes, I don't know if I am in total agreement uh,
and a total agreement with that. I think that that. Yeah,
I understand that. I believe I understand the sentiment behind it.
There is such a thing as anti semitism, uh, and

(02:45:33):
and a lot of that anti Semitism, or at least
some of that anti semitism, it's coming from people who
are complaining about anti Semitism, because, as I mentioned in
my book, there are African Jews who who immigrate to

(02:45:56):
Israel and are treated like second class citizens. And from
a historical point of view, these African Semis, if you
want to call them, are are older than these white
folk who call themselves, um, you know, uh Jews Jews,

(02:46:21):
and it's it's okay to adopt any religion that you
want to. But there's a lot of anti Semitism, even
from the people who who claim to be battling anti Semitism.
I've said before on this UH program that UH, any

(02:46:43):
of the blocks that we have experienced to our progress
I have been by people who call themselves Jews. I
was trying to I had a list of things Laura
Lumer that create woman who advises Trump is a Jew.

(02:47:06):
Um Uh Uh the Barry Y CBS news editor and
anti d e I loudmouth is a Jew.

Speaker 5 (02:47:16):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:47:17):
The anti UH and affirmative of action UH was kicked
off by Baki Uh back in the seventies. A Jew
Edward Bloom who sued the Fearless Fund, a venture capitalist
fund giving money to black women, Uh is a Jew.

Speaker 5 (02:47:40):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:47:40):
This U currently this very virulent almost like crazy man. Uh.
Steven Miller, who's behind a lot of the policies that
uh Trump has put forward, is a Jew.

Speaker 3 (02:47:59):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:48:00):
You don't hear any of these the like the Anti
Defamation League speaking against him or any of the black
people or who are supported by Jewish money. Question, why
isn't the Anti Defamation League speaking against particularly this Stephen Miller.

(02:48:22):
Uh was the architect of the separation of immigrant families,
any kind of police, all the policies that are harming Americans.
His signature is on uh. And yet you have heard
one peeping word from the Anti Defamation League about him.

(02:48:47):
Who's who's doing all this damage to jew and non
jew alike? So I understand your frustration, But there is
anti Semitism, There is anti Africanism. It's like coin. There's
a lot of anttie just you know, people period that

(02:49:09):
that we need to speak against, we need to speak about.

Speaker 14 (02:49:14):
So, mister Nelson, because I just book in real, real fast,
thank you for all of what to say. Basically, you
confirm what I am saying. It was how I should
have worded it is to say that not use the
word anti sematism, and for that particular group in the
way that they use it, for the very reason that

(02:49:36):
you said the African semite. So basically you would have
to be a semi claimed anti Semitism. And I don't
see those people as Semite, but I think for somewhat
on the same wavelength. Thank you so much for speaking
to that.

Speaker 1 (02:49:52):
All right, I felt right there. We got to step aside.
Twenty four minutes away from the topic. Let's Jr. Reaching
out to us from Ohio. You could do the same thing.
Hit us up at eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next
and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on
this Thursday morning here with our guest doctor Jerome Fox.
He's the author of the best selling workbook I think

(02:50:12):
that's a white the oppressed in league with the oppressor
Achame based alliance. Before we take another call, im it
just remind you it's tomorrow's Friday again and we would
like to invite you all to join us for our
open form Friday program. Free your mind and reach out
to us. And when we say free your mind and
we just means you to think for yourself. You know,
we don't need folks quoting the scripture, quoting some religious

(02:50:33):
or political ideology. You know, just think for yourself and
reach out to us. At eight hundred four or five
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some new folks. We will be on at ten ten
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w L. Family. Let's go to Chicago and Brother and
Cocy's waiting first, he's online too, Grand Rising and Cosey.

Speaker 9 (02:50:54):
You're on with doctor Fox, Grand Rising and Jumbo du
rus Uh. Doctor Fox. I wanted to elaborate on the
question of Christianity, but before I do that, I wanted
to add something to the conversation. The non black de

(02:51:16):
Money cop of forty five forty seventh. It is in
support of the policy is trying to be established in Niger,
not just for saving some Christians, which is a false flag,
but for the wealth of wealth and resources all gold,

(02:51:40):
rare or minerals that are in Niger. Also, it would
be a land based catapult into Niger, Mali and Borkino
Fossor which just got free from France. The according to
Wealth concerning the forty bing that's being sent to Argentina,

(02:52:06):
according to the October sixth issue of the Economists, that
money came from the USA. A project through Rubios is
being funnel to Argentina. And one fact about this Argentina
project that they are constructed that the news media seems inefficient.

(02:52:28):
Are in Argentina the population is provided with free hospitalization
and social health socialized healthcare. And at the same time
that this what the being is going there. This is
how deep the money cause is. They're depriving people here

(02:52:50):
of Medicaid and of a so called Obamacare. But back
to the point of the Christianity understanding your uh, what
you said about Christianity with the same principle applied to
the concept that we use when we pray and we

(02:53:12):
think of Jesus or God.

Speaker 8 (02:53:16):
I'm not sure what you're referring to. You said the
concept what concept?

Speaker 9 (02:53:21):
Okay, the concept that Christianity represents good and each time
we use with ourselves, it reinforces a false image of
goodness with Christianity. Yeah, okay, I got you analyzed competitively
analyzed to Jesus or God when we you know, on

(02:53:46):
some of those images.

Speaker 8 (02:53:49):
I do address this in my workbook. I hope you
get it if you don't have it already. There's a
whole section about you know, this uh, this white I'm
going to put it my way, this white Jesus and
you know, I once again just strongly encourage you to

(02:54:11):
get the book, but I do address that. I'm trying
to turn to the page where I addressed that directly.
But yeah, it's it's really detrimental to our health, our

(02:54:32):
mental health, and obviously our social health to consider uh
the most important being in our lives. Uh, that being
God and and you know, Jesus christ is is is
the most in the Christian religion to be considered the God, uh,

(02:54:57):
the you know, the father of the Son, the whole
we go that trinity but to have pictures in your
mind of that entity being a white boy is very
detrimental to our mental and social and political well being.

(02:55:21):
I mentioned this on page ninety in the workbook. And
when I tell folk to remove all pictures and as
the Christian Scripture refers to them, graven images of your
Supreme Being from your surroundings and in your minds, I

(02:55:44):
avoid images of a European looking supreme Being. And I
give the example. Well, first of all, these false and
forbidden spectacles reinforce powerfully the notion that black isn't good
enough to portray celestial beings, or even worse, that being

(02:56:09):
black is the opposite of being divine, good or praiseworthy.
If the most important entity in an African life is God,
and the image of God is a Caucasian, then it
is no wonder that white values have a stranglehold on

(02:56:32):
the African mind. So I mean, that's it in a nutshell.
In your own scripture forbids these kinds of of of
graven as it calls it, graven images. So you're you're,
you're so addicted to white that you're going to get
your own own scripture, your own Christian scripture, that tells

(02:56:55):
you not to form images of of lest to things
above or below. So there are no red tailed devils
and no white angels or or gods. But what you're
really demonstrating by that is that your true God is

(02:57:15):
not God. And I think think if if people who
are spiritual may consider this that part of what the
what we're going through is really the wrath of God.
Excuse me of God for putting for for idolatry, for

(02:57:38):
having some other God than God, than God him or herself.

Speaker 5 (02:57:45):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:57:46):
And we're committing that every time that we uh have
these forbidden images in our home or or in our
mind of God being a person anyhow, it's God is
a spirit. But we insist that God is this white boy.

(02:58:09):
I'm really indicating that we worship white more than uh
uh than we worship God despite what we say.

Speaker 1 (02:58:22):
Turn away from the top. Thank you, brother and Cosey
call in Chicago. Let's go to Alexandra Virginia. Alex is
waiting for us, Alex Uh, he wants a comment as
a black Maga grand rising Alex. Your comment for doctor
Fox Alex is gone. Oh oh, she got scared. Eight

(02:58:44):
hundred and four or five zeros put out a challenge.
He Doctor Fox by the way, he's a black MAGA,
so put out a challenge for black magas that you know,
because they're calling tomorrow and starts. It's it's viewing all
the stuff that you know they hear on the MAGA stations,
and I think we're stupid. But I called him. I
challenge him, and he called it, but he hung up.
All right, let's go to Robert in Baltimore City has

(02:59:06):
a question for these online fine brand rise and Robert
then with doctor Fox.

Speaker 15 (02:59:10):
Brand rising everyone. My question is and they and on
this program from day one, I was listening to this
program and making some comments every now and then, But
I would like to know, do you actually think that

(02:59:30):
they would actually give us reparations period? They have given
everyone else, Uh they do so now with us, they
just you know, turn it back on us and they like,
you know, forget them ends, you know. And that's the
way I look at it.

Speaker 5 (02:59:49):
And they're not going to never give us anything, you know.

Speaker 8 (02:59:53):
Well, that's why we have to organize and get it,
because we can't do this individually. One of the white
values is that individualism is better than collectivism. Now, of course,
for everybody else except themselves. But we can't accomplish our

(03:00:19):
uh permanent liberation without each other and with that being organized.
Uh with about having a systematic organized.

Speaker 11 (03:00:35):
Pushback.

Speaker 8 (03:00:38):
Uh, just through demanding here a lot of people I
get up on podiums, a lot of our so called
black leaders, will we demand this, that and the other.
It's a waste of breath.

Speaker 11 (03:00:49):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (03:00:49):
They have no interest in giving us what they have
stolen from us over the centuries. We will have to
take it. We will have to.

Speaker 5 (03:01:04):
Literally take it.

Speaker 1 (03:01:07):
Right there. So we're racing the clock. And I want
you to identify the five white core values that many
of our people are addicted to.

Speaker 8 (03:01:14):
Okay, go ahead, Oh you're not going to a commercial okay,
all right? Yeah, well then let me just conclude that
we have to prepare ourselves to take it, but we
can't do the in the with the present condition of
our minds being so addicted to white All right, there

(03:01:38):
are five white values that I a uh enumerate in
this workbook, which once again is the design to get
at our minds in the shape whereby we can organize
and mount a a an effective defense against our enemies.

(03:02:01):
Those five white values are listed on believe around page eleven,
the first one being that basically everything good is white
and everything on black is bad.

Speaker 3 (03:02:16):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (03:02:17):
The second one being that money and the things that
money can buy is better than relationships, and then therefore
we should pursue those things of building relationships with each other.

(03:02:37):
The third being white oppressors are trustworthy recorders and interpreters
of history and reality. That's why we believe their history
books and whatever whatever they say, uh, when we should
really be questioning every aything about their worldview. The fourth

(03:03:01):
white value being individualism, which I mentioned earlier is better
than collectivism.

Speaker 11 (03:03:06):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (03:03:07):
And then and the final one being that the best
way you can uh uh uh feel good about yourself
is by surpassing, out, doing, and defeating someone else in
an activity, achievement, or personal characteristic. In other words, it

(03:03:28):
makes me feel good to say to myself, I am
smarter than you, I'm better than you, I'm prettier than you,
et cetera, I'm even blacker than thou. Everybody gets caught
up into this white competitive insanity where when when we

(03:03:51):
we when we should should really be emphasizing our commonality
and trying to cooperate, rate and unite with each other
as opposed to compete with each other to stand out,
uh for some individual accolade or or gift from our

(03:04:14):
white oppressors. So those are the five white values.

Speaker 1 (03:04:19):
And this is not said just for black folktions for
other non white people as well.

Speaker 8 (03:04:23):
Oh yeah, these are white. These are values created by
white folk that they basically uh subscribe to themselves, except
when it comes to us. They compete against each other
irrationally as well, except when it comes to us they
can seemingly unite and to oppress uh the the the other.

Speaker 10 (03:04:49):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (03:04:49):
But other than that, they created these uh Uh. This
the worldview that these values support. So of course, yeah,
they're equally affected by them, all right.

Speaker 1 (03:05:02):
And the antidote is your book. Tell us give us
the title of the book again, and how can we
get copies?

Speaker 8 (03:05:07):
The title of the book is addicted to White the
Oppressed in league with the oppressor, a shame based alliance.
And it is a serious workbook for Africas who wish
to overcome this addiction. It's available on Amazon dot com,
so and everybody can go there and get it. If

(03:05:27):
you're in Baltimore, you can get it at the African
World Books store on twenty two to seventeen Pennsylvania Avenue.

Speaker 1 (03:05:40):
All right, thank you, doctor Fox. Thank you for all
the information you shared with us this morning.

Speaker 8 (03:05:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:05:45):
All right, family, that's it for the day. Classes dismissed.
Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll here tomorrow morning,
six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB,
and also in the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL

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