Dr. Melina Abdullah, Chris Riser & Brandon on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising, family, and thanks for starting your work
week with us again. Later, former vice presidential candidate doctor
Malina Abdullah will analyze the effects of the government shutdown
and also provide critical insights into the Justice Department's investigation
of that Roague Black Lives Matter group. But before we
hear from doctor Abdullah, movie maker Chris Reiser will preview

(00:21):
his latest project. It's called Heavy Is the Crown This
lady's documentary. And to get a starting moment, Telly to
speak with political blog of Brandon. He'll check him up.
Get Kevin to open up the classroom doors for us
on this Monday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin, Hey.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Grand Rising, indeed, Colonel Nelson, Happy Monday.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
How you feeling.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
I'm still learning, Kevin, of course.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
And of course that's a great position to maintain and
continue and it brings growth, of course. And today being
the tenth of November, and it was quite the Veterans
Day weekend, especially if you were looking at, you know,
any of the football games. The NFL actually honored all

(01:07):
of the veterans and showing different planes flying over, including
Air Force one flying flying over and so I know
the official Veterans Day is tomorrow but you know, we
just kind of feel like getting out that camouflage outfit

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that you've got in your closet.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
There, Carl.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I mean, yeah, I am, I am sure, but it
just seems that everybody's got that camouflage stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Being a former Navy I don't really get into the
camouflage stuff. I don't remember the Navy unless the Seals
might have had camouflage.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
But nobody else like that.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Man, And so how are you feeling? I mean, you know,
as as things continue with the shutdown.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
And there's been some some headway made in a shutdown,
I mean, Brandon can explain it to us. I think
a group of Democrats broke rank and vote with the
Republicans in the Senate, and so they're close enough, so
it moves over to the House, and they think he'll
pass in the House because they have the numerical advantage,
and Donald Trump says he'll sign it as soon as
he gets it.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Oh yeah, Well, according to Political It says, the sixty
to forty vote to take the first step toward ending
the shut down came yesterday after enough Democrats agreed to
support a package that would fund multiple agencies and programs
for the full physical year and all others until January thirty,

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twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
And so, but the issue was Kevin the you know,
Healthcare Act. This was the stumbling block because and so
now it was a chance who won and who lose.
It seems like the Republicans were on the President because
the Democrats, most of them, were holding out to make
sure that the Healthcare Act was maintained. And they see

(03:11):
now they will discuss it, you know, you know, after
the bill is signed, they will discuss it. So we'll see.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
And there's still additional steps before the Senate can pass
the funding deal. But the vote, like I said, sent
a strong signal that they're going to do something to
change all of this. And Senator Thunes that it remains
to be seen. That's how they finish everything. But let's

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talk about that Commander's game man disappointing results forty four
to twenty two, you know, and there was a fight with.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
With the defense.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
You know, there was one where the brother was actually
thrown out Darren Payne. Darren Payne was ejected after punching
Ammon rah Saint Brown in the helmet and blowout and
the blowout laws and punching a person in the helmet.
And you know, I just don't understand. I don't understand that.

(04:21):
You know, you're you're losing the game, So what now
you're gonna start a fight? Is that? That's high school
football right there, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
All? Right?

Speaker 1 (04:29):
And you know, the resident commanders, especially to a radio one,
Rick Chill says the Commanders should get rid of the
defensive coordinator. He says he needs to be fired. He
says the problem is not on the offense, he's on
the defense. So and he's calling me. You know, Rick
Chill goes hard for the commanders.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, he used to see his office.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I mean it's all decorated with everything, you know, all
kinds of memorabilia back there. You know, I was thinking
maybe I should get some of that memorable myself.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
But yeah, man, nobody knows commanders like Rick Hill.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
I tell you, man, he's he's a heartbrun right now
because of that loss. But yeah, you're right. And by
the way, the Lions beat him forty four to twenty
twenty two.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah twenty two. Yeah, Yeah, that's what I opened with.
But okay, another another point in that exciting game yesterday,
because there was all kinds of things going on. Air
Force one flew over. They took a camera shot of that,
and the whole stadium erupted when the president stood up,

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and there was a lot of booing going on.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Where the President was there.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
But the TV field, I guess didn't anticipate that because
they had probably lowered the sounds, you know, like when
someone curses, because they're working on a delay system.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Anyway, you're right, right, exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
And so then he left the that box and went
in to do a few moments of color cormentary, you know,
standing there next to the other two sports uh color commentators,
and they asked him if he wanted to do that.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
He said he always wanted.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
To do it, and so they asked him for the
play and he said that they just need to get
a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
You know, he didn't want to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
But you know what Kevin speaking about that, he wants
them to name the new stadium after him, with now
being built on the side of the old RFK stadium.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, I saw something about that, and the NFL isn't
really that gung ho about that idea. And even though
they're changing r FK, and maybe that's what he's thinking.
I don't want to put my mind into the mind
of Donald President Trump, but is maybe that's what he's thinking.

(06:58):
You named it after one president won that name it
after another.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, yeah, but those are before days before they sold
the sponsorship of the names. You know, all these corporate sponsors.
So if you look at any just any arena sporting
arenas is being sponsored by somebody. So and that probably
was already baked into the deal to bring the commanders
back to the district.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Oh you think they've already got sponsors for it.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
You know, yeah, they probably as soon as it was announced. Man,
the bidding was opening. That's part of that because these
you know, one hundreds of millions of dollars, so that
you know, they probably had that deal sitting on the
table just wait for the waiting for them just to
announce it that it's going to be built on the
RFK site.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Okay, yeah, I never thought about that. I mean, but
you're right.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's cheaper for a corporation to sponsor the field than
it is to do the Super Bowl ads. The Super
Bowl lands would for thirty seconds costs just as much
as sponsoring the whole field wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
And that's not the issue that was baked in too,
that the commanders will get the super Bowl, you know
down the road if if the if they build a
stadium in Washington, d C. So and that's gonna happen too.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Will they host the super Bowl even if they're not
in it though?

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, oh, it brings a lot of money to the area.
Oh icy, Yeah, well, Kevin, it's all about money.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
And nothing's funny again. And then Land of Milton on
you it. Look, but finally before we go to uh, Brandon,
maybe we should bring Brandon and look, and the Trump
administration is ordering to immediately undo the full snap benefits
leaves and leave the states scrambling again to figure out

(08:45):
how to get food assistance to needy families without violating
the Supreme Court order or crossing the Trump administration. It's
the latest in a hell of conflicting court orders and
directives to states. And that sounds confusing as well.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
But let's close out with with you know, because people
want to know who the playing next, and the Commander
is going to play. They're gonna play the Miami Dolphins
in Spain, Madrid, Spain, in the early game next week.
And the Ravens have coled cam forget our friends up
in Baltimore. Ravens beat the Broncos twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Oh yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Twenty seven to nineteen. I'm sorry. You play the Cleveland
Browns next week.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
You're right, Yeah, I did see the raven They were
they were playing strong Man. They made a fantastic come back,
and oh yeah, I was impressed.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
And they play in the late game again next week
while the Commanders were playing the early game, because it's
going to be out in Madrid, Spain. But yeah, let's
let's bring in Brandon to talk about this snap benefit.
How does you know from the just the optics doesn't
just doesn't look right, Brandon grand Rising, welcome back.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Hey what's that Grand Rising? Good morning to both Kevin
Carr honest kept Car Show. Yeah, you talk about punching
somebody in a helmet, that is a performative thing of
pure frustration. Yes, uh it does. It does very little
to the punch e uh. And if a person can't

(10:16):
punch through your helmet or face guard, you don't need
to punch back. Just let him do what he needs
to do because that person is a monster and he
a good chance he's gonna do more damage to you. Yeah,
I mean fights like that are very rare in the NFL. Now,
you know, I I will connect it to you know, Uh,

(10:37):
the NFL quietly has tried to change the game, so
it's not to leave so many people in in the
grip of CTE. And uh, there's also a connection to
with you know, how people are training and where they

(10:57):
are in their lives and so on and so forth.
And you know, more and more we're seeing these kinds
of situations. I'm not saying that the fight should happen
more often, but the young brothers from I believe it
was Dallas, former Dallas player who apparently ended his own life.
They don't want to see more situations like that. So
this fight is significant in many ways. It shows team frustration.

(11:20):
It shows and it's not just the frustration that you're
not winning. Sometimes you just want to fight to show
people that you're not punk right, that you that you
still stand. But it's not always you know, it's not
always simple. I've heard, I'm pretty sure you've heard some
of the older players nowadays, players from the two thousands
talk about how wild things were in the locker room,

(11:41):
and you know Michael Erbin himself, I mean, man, he
was he was a walking demolition derby outside of the field,
you know, full grace on the field, but outside the
field just all kinds of things that were going on.
So it's hard to say, you know, to pull. It's
a violent sport and it requires kind of They just
played at such a high level that it looks remarkably graceful.

(12:05):
But you know, if you've ever stood on the sidelines,
you hear the violence. You can hear it on the field.
So to expect those young men not to exhibit it,
I think it's a little too much. Like I said,
I'm glad that there's not as many fights as they
used to be. And uh jumping.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Tyler Brandon is speaking from some experience on the collegiate level.
He played at Southern cal and played in the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
Got ring, I have I have several several uh yeah,
you know, practice away from I never got a fight
on television, never got I wasn't you know, I wasn't
a star player that I was. I was a I

(12:54):
walked on and I started to play the next season.
So I was red shirt in my first year and
I started playing next season. I wasn't a national grab
like a lot of cats I wash out here. We
have you know, different valleys and stuff. So I was
like all sang Gable Valley La times. But that's not
you know, statewide or or national. And so there's what

(13:17):
I'm saying that is you get a little leeway if
you're a bigger name, you know, like with anything. So
they have a couple of scratch they happen, but the
discipline h is more about playing the game and making
it to the next game.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
You got.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
It's just when I played back in the day, you
know that it was exposure there was much is just
as important. So you you know, you wanted to make
sure that you were able to play, you know, and
you were on the you were on the field and
playing on television on Saturday, and so that was one
of the things that kind of kept folks in line.
So yeah, you know, you have most of the scraps

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where like you know, when people were vying for position,
uh during the what it was called the practice or
the spring game, which all the positions were set. You know,
most of the positions would be set. After the spring game,
you'd be told, you know, who's starting who's in the lineup,
and then so the summer you'd be working towards that.
By the time you come into camp for the two
week camp at the end of the summer, before the

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season begins, it's already been you know, it's been months
already locked in, so there's no reason to go into
all that. But you know, you still had you know,
somebody didn't like somebody or people who temples flair, you know,
and it's like I said, it's a violent sports, so
you're not gonna not have that.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
So should he have been ejected? And you know, because
at the moment.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
I didn't see the severity of it. Sometimes they eject
somebody because they somebody's going to have to get ejected.

Speaker 7 (14:43):
You know.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
The rest are trying to keep control of things, and
you know, I can't. You know, the fans of either
side are going to say, you know, they're going to
go with their guy, and but I'm just saying that
when you think of this thing about what look think
of about how crazy those games used to be, Like
the Raiders back in the day. I mean, you know

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where the cheating was. I mean the physical not the numbers,
but the physical cheating was just obvious. Just they hit
you afterwards and slam you on your neck and you know,
do all these crazy things, and they were considered a
wild bunch. The same thing with the with the with
the defense on for Dallas. You know a lot of
these players were known not sing for playing dirty, but rough,

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and you don't really have much of that. I think
the athleticism is really the levels have just gotten far better.
It's very you know, if you look at like back
in the day, somebod these cats would be smoking literally
cigarettes between plays, you know, when the offense on the field,
on defense, or they had jobs on the you know,
during the off season. They were like car salesmen. I mean,

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it's gone from kind of the club nature of it
all to a very high level of professionalism of very
I love us as athleticism and so you see that
even with the so called you know, the big positions
on the field, the defensive linement office of linean these
people are you know, they're grade A. So you know,
I just like I said, you don't see as much

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it happens, and you hope that, you know, you hope
that no one really gets seriously seriously injured. That's the
worst thing that you really want to see if somebody
getting the scuffle and come out of it injured, and
I mean didn't even didn't even score you just in
a scuffle as.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Bad as the game was. Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
We're on that time, Kevin. I'll let you ask you
a question. We get back eighteen minutes at the top,
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(16:55):
So we will get to politics with Brandon. But Brandon,
we're taking advantage of his expertise on the grid iron.
He played college football at Selling calnd. He message got
several several rings from playing in the Rose Bowl competition.
But but Kevin had a question for you, Brandon, sal
Kevin pose that question.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, I was gonna say, in spite of the falling
out of the defense, what about Marcus Marianna. He was
he was pretty much on spot spot on with playing
his quarterback position, even though it was a fill in position. Well,
what did you think of that? It's calm his leadership abilities.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
So I Alwa saw some clips as it surrounded the fight.
Here's what happens at this time of the season. People
are plugging in. Well, I think the Commanders were what
what are they six and three?

Speaker 3 (17:50):
I think it's up to seven and three.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
Now the Commanders are seven and three. Are you sure.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
Right?

Speaker 9 (17:58):
No?

Speaker 5 (17:59):
No, the three and seven at three and seven. Yeah,
you know that was part of Detroit is six and three.
That was part of the frustration, I have to tell
you that. And and at this time of the year,
what happens is people are, especially at that type of record,
people are kind of vying for their next gig or

(18:19):
their next position on the team. So yeah, of course
someone will come in it. Uh you know, there's there's
nothing to lose, if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's works for that next contract.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
That's what they're doing right now. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
Yeah, I mean that's a that's a very real thing.

Speaker 10 (18:38):
You know.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
You guys just said it's money and the money in
this situation that as it goes now is phenomenal. We're
talking about transitional wealth. We're talking about generational wealth here,
the type of money and not even just in the
pro ranks anymore. Now you can it can almost go
down into the college rank now. And so the way

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people approach it is a little different. You know, the
person on the football on the professional football team is
going to look at this moment, like Carl just said,
and says, Okay, where's my contract, where's my standings, what's
my best route to you know, afford myself to play more.
It's not just going for the super Bowl anymore. You're not.

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You don't just want the bag, but you want to
have some a solid position to make the moves that
you have to business wise.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
I'm before we go to the politics. Is that a
motivational move? You think bredon at the high school level
and at the college level for these young players coming up.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
You know, I don't know. You know, when I started playing,
I had two brothers that played before me, and we
played in this league. This it was a it was
a league that was across the nation, but it's called
Pop Warner. Basically, it was a little league, a football
and you were allowed to still be a kid when
you played, of course, because you came across some teams
that were a bit more aggressive, and so you know,

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basically they had these coaches, they had these dreams of
treat treating these nine year olds like they were actual
college teams or pro teams. But we were allowed to
still be kids. Now, I mean, these kids are going
to academies, carl and even out here where you have
kind of a child deserts in some parts of America
because people can't young people can't afford to buy homes

(20:30):
and raise families in certain neighborhoods, they've set up these
academies where they recruit these kids into them and kind
of they got this whole kind of lockdown center and
they're there to do that. And I'm not sure if
that's healthy because very few people make it to the pros,
very few, And what happens to the rest of those

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kids who spent all that time, you know, in this
one direction, I'm not dogging it because playing sports is
one of the greatest, most diverse things you can do
in the United States of America. It really is. You
don't care what color a person is, You want the
best one on the team to get out. You care
about how you treated, you care about how people are

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treated around you, but you know no one's going to
give up. You know, a great quarterback, you know if
he's if he's fast and accurate and talented and all
the things that you need to be a great because
no matter what color he is. And you learn that,
and you also learn that there are people across from
you who are damn talented who wants your color either,
and you better not treat them. You've better not treat

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them lightly. But you will be looking at a score,
touchdown or a sack.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, even at that age, right twenty five, at the
top of hell, let's get into politics, brand it. I
don't know where to start on this. Obviously, there's been
some movement on the government shutdown. I think it was
about eight Democrats across the line. Your thoughts on that.
Do you think Democrats cave.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
It is a move another move that I think is
going to bring about more derision from others, from the
young folks especially, people are very upset.

Speaker 11 (22:18):
Now.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
What they did was they offered a continuing resolution they
were holding up the government. It completely shut down because,
as they said, the Republicans had taken away the credits
for the Affordable Care Act that was in that marketplace
for people for different levels of people who were trying

(22:41):
to get health insurance, okay. And what the insurance companies
have done as of late is they've been sending these
letters to people showing them how much their insurance bills
are going to go up in January. Now, all this
is done to fill this hole that the Republicans have
blown through the budget to provide tax breaks to the

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richest one percent or maybe zero zero zero one percent
in the United States. And so what the Democrats on
how they were perceiving it on the left is basically, look,
before we do anything else, we have to try to
ensure that the people who are working in this country,

(23:24):
the working class from the bottom up, have access to
affordable healthcare. In some cases, you had people, you know,
it's doubling, tripling. I saw one even John Oliver actually
talked about this one thing that showed a couple that
made ninety five thousand a year whose insurance was costing
maybe eight thousand, could possibly go up to thirty three

(23:46):
k Okay. So with those types of numbers, the Democrats
had leverage in the people's minds to say, hey, look,
we don't want this to go through unless you know
we can fix this part, because what you're doing is
trying to strip Peter to pay Paul everything. And after

(24:06):
it took a while, but I think that the constituency
was down, they started to see this as a demo,
as a Republican hold is there's no other reason why
they're doing this except for the cruelty. They start to
see how people are going to start losing access not
just to healthcare or certain situations with medication, other you know,
things that they may need, and when I'm not going

(24:28):
to get into the Snap yet, but I think this
is the big part, the healthcare thing. It's the most
it's the boring part that no one wants to hear about,
but it's the one that touches everybody until, of course,
the SNAP situation showed up. And once the Snap situation
showed up, I think it became quite clear after November one,
and people didn't see their re up on the Snap

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on either the car or their account, that this thing
was real. And so the Democrats were kind of fortified.
And then this election happens, and the election happens on
the fourth or no member shoose me.

Speaker 10 (25:06):
And it.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
What it does is it shows that they're they're the
people are ready for there to be sensible or reasonable
debates and direction for the country. That is to say,
you know, a lot of Democrats won, but then also
in polling, a lot of people are now polling lower.

(25:31):
Trump has pulled some of the lowest numbers he's ever
had across the board with a lot of different a
lot of different groups. So all these things added to
this is very you know, this is this was It
looks as if the message has gotten through a lot
of people are starting to see the bad direction that
the Republicans are taking them in. And then Chuck Schumer

(25:53):
does something that is phenomenally terrible, which is, well, the
shutdown has too and we're going to go ahead and
cave on a continuing resolution. And the continuing resolution is
it comes with it some things for the military, some basis,

(26:15):
It comes with it some promises to bring people back
who have been furloughed during the shutdown, which would happen anyway. Uh,
And it doesn't provide any guarantees for any of the
things that people thought they were fighting for, any of
the things that people were rallying for no guarantees. They're
they're given a promise that there might be a vote
on the Affordable Care Act marketplace credits, maybe in December,

(26:43):
there may be a vote for it. There's not binding.
There's no binding you know, paperwork from anybody, from the
from the Republicans. And that is sending a signal to
a lot of people who were celebrating, say Mamdani in
New York, that the Democrats will always pull the rug
out from under it is. It is one of those

(27:05):
things that despite what all the details I just told
you is really I think one of the most dangerous
parts of it is a lot of people don't think
that that the older Democrats are matching the energy that
that in the in the urgency that people have of
fighting fascism and fighting the authoritarianism that we're looking at.

(27:26):
They were staring in the face right now.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, holdthority there twenty nine away from the top of
this is sort of a turnaround because we just got
off the elections, Brandon, it looked like the you know,
the Democrats have found their stride. You know, they look
good at the elections and they come back and do this.
How do you compute what happened there between those two events.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
Well, well they're not they're not. Remember the elections, they
were across the board, So it wasn't It looks like
if you look at it, you know, from a certain angle,
you say, oh wow, you know, the crats really rolls up.
But this is how things kind of swing. But Trump
has accelerated everything. And the Democrats they just can't use

(28:10):
They have a horrible, horrible time with messaging. They're terrible
at trying to And I think it's the leadership, not
not the Democrats, not the constitutions, because MEMDAMMI remember uh
he ran not a flawless campaign, but it was one
that used all the tools that everyone is using or
younger people using today, and he did it very well.

(28:32):
And he's a very good politician, you know, at least
campaign and we don't. We're going to see what type
of mayor he makes. But this the the so called
sweet thing vibes. Yeah, they were some victories you had.
You had, of course, Abigail Stanberger who was uh she
won in Virginia Representative Schrelle one I believe in uh,

(28:57):
I want to say an yeah, yeah, you had I
mean just all of these these these different places that
kind of.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Well, at your where you are, Prop fifty Prop.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
Fifty you had, you had now governor knew some I'm
gonna tell this right quick. Is in response to Trump
did something you know along the line everything. You know,
there's this long list of unconstitutional things, which is which
makes them, you know, many of them criminal. He just
stood up and told, you know, these other states, including Texas,

(29:32):
go ahead and jerry manders, redistrict everything, she can get
more seats. And what that does is it leads to
taxation without representation. Is you know, when when people are
removed from being able to be heard, when they're representatives
are being taken away. But of course the Supreme Court,
you know, they got behind him. Texas go ahead, went

(29:52):
ahead and did it, and and I mean almost warp
speed time. Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, called for
put together because we have this thing where you can
put a proposal out and if if enough signatures can
add to it, then there's a ballot and people can
vote on it. And that is precisely what he did.
The proposition it's a proposition system. That's exactly what he did.

(30:15):
And he put it to a vote for the people.
He didn't declare it the party is a lot of
lies are going on. It's a power gravis. No, he
put it on the ballot and the people voted for it,
and they voted for it in Prop fifty. And what
that does is it allows California to establish a board
so they can redistrict to answer Texas, move to Jerryman

(30:40):
and get rid of democratic seats in Texas. And so
you know, it's it's done democratically here, and it's done
for the for the embetterment, for that that the nation
finds some balance. It really is a response to authoritarianism.
And once but once we get into the older generation,

(31:01):
the boomers, we were constantly up against this brick wall
where they just they just find a way to kind of,
you know, pull the rug out. I mean, people are
beside themselves right now, and and and rightly so they're
peed off, Carl. They're really upset about it, and I
think that they have a right to be.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, hold right there. Twenty three away from the topic.
Sound just drawing us from Baltimore. She wants to comment
on with some of the on the conversation she's online
Grand rising, Sandra.

Speaker 12 (31:27):
You're on with Brandon, Oh glad riding Calm to you
and your guests. I couldn't wait for you to come
on this morning.

Speaker 9 (31:34):
Calm.

Speaker 12 (31:35):
We've been had, we've been bull buds that we've been
used up the creek. I knew this was gonna happen.
I knew they just gave Donald Trump everything he wanted.
Democrats need to go somewhere and sit down, because I mean,
they are doing absolutely nothing for the people. I knew
all this talking big and hey, we're not gonna cave.

(31:58):
We're not gonna cave. I knew after the selection Donald
Trump was gonna walk in there and sweep up everything
he wanted.

Speaker 9 (32:05):
He did it.

Speaker 12 (32:06):
He did it, and I'm gonna tell you something else.
He's gonna become the president the third time again too.
You watch you watch the ship. I don't have no
confidence and no face and no Democrats. I really don't.
Chuck Schumann. He need to put hang up his shoes.
He needed to go to were and the down and
retire because every time a big decision has to be made,

(32:29):
he always talked big, and then in the end he
came there. I knew this was gonna happen, and we're
gonna get absolutely nothing. Donald Trump got a big grin
on his face now because he did just That's why
he kept quiet, because he knew he was gonna swing
his weight. He knew they was gonna work it his way.
And I think some of them are all the gods
in the Democratic Party. They're working for Donald Trump under

(32:52):
the case you mean, tell me.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Take a break. And Brandon also a tweet came in
and said Schumer sold us out. Hakim doesn't want this deal.
I want you to respond to what Sandra said. And
also this tweet that came in after we take a
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(33:39):
last election on the presidential ticket along with Cornell West.
She'll be here this morning. Also before though, we're going
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(33:59):
if you are in Baltimore, make sure your radio is
locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're
in the DMV, we're on fourteen fifty w L. All right, Brandon,
that the Gang of Eight led by Chuck Schumer. And
as you heard that, what Sondra said, she doesn't trust
the Democrats. She just indicted the entire Democratic Party. But
the Gang of Eight was included Dick Durbin from Illinois

(34:20):
and also Christian Gillibrand from New York. And let me
see who's the surprise on it. Well, if we knew
Fetterman would probably go that way. And also Angus King
would probably go that way, but also Christin Gilibart from
New York joined the Gang of Eight. Do you think
they voted because they were thinking about they may be
primary or their seats are under attack. And I'll let

(34:41):
you respond to what Sondra said in Baltimore about Chuck
Schumer and the Democrats.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
Well, I think Chuck Schumer deserves all the ire for
the thirst of this to drop after a November the
election day and the Democrats win in the sales and
just took it out. This is a continuing resolution and

(35:09):
there's no guarantees. Even though Tim Kane in that in
that spot that you played on the news that Tim
ka gives us, you know, gives us a little blurb saying, okay,
here's what we got. They didn't get much anything. The
people coming back furloughed is a normal thing to bring
people back after you That's why they're called furlough, not fired.
There's no guarantee that any of this stuff is anything's

(35:31):
coming back. And all they've done is, you know, they've
reanimated some things. But the whole that is in the
budget that is going to strip many people of their healthcare,
their insurance is still there, and you know, this is
a country where you can go bankrupt if you have

(35:53):
a malady or an illness. You know. So there are
people who are trying to be responsible who some of
them are underemployed or they're their own you know, or
self employed, who are looking at this, you know, like
reasonable people and saying, look, I need to be covered.
You know, I don't know, if you remember the fight
for the Affordable Care Actor President Obama put up when

(36:16):
he first had it. This people don't really understand what
you're looking at. Even though he locked it in and
he locked it in in really strong law because he's
he was a congressional lawyer, and they knew what the
hell he was doing. But even this that everybody's kind
of fighting for, it was a molded and twisted version

(36:37):
because of what not just Republicans but Democrats. There were
still Democrats who twisted this thing, and it could have
been close to universal care for many people, or at least,
you know, a better balance, and instead what we ended
up getting was you know, the best he can get now.

(36:58):
Mind you, every presidents and is all the way back
will many presidents, all the way back to Theodore Roosevelt
was they were trying to do something like this to
ensure that the people in the United States had a
baseline of healthcare. And it seems like something's very boring
until you understand that you have to have it and
that we all must have it together, and so being being.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Something interrupted for a second. Brand on that thing. Why
is this country the only you know, I guess major
industrialized country doesn't have healthcare for its citizens. I mean,
you go to Canada, you go to the countries in Europe,
they have it. Even the third world countries take care
that the people who have been seek what's the problem?
Is it, big farm? What's your stomach?

Speaker 5 (37:40):
There's several systems of greed that are locked in to
the healthcare process, not just health care itself, whether or
not you're going to see the doctor, whether or not
you're dealing with a nurse, whether at the beginning of life, birthing,
how much does it cost to have a child, how
much is it to the end of life where you

(38:01):
know you're talking about palative care and to even bury somebody.
I mean, this whole thing is it's money inspired and
pushed and what happens is the humanity is driven out
of it. And even if we say, now think about it,
even when we say the people say we want to

(38:22):
make sure that our tax dollars help help, you know,
keep everyone afloat, all of a sudden, some leaders show
up and they don't look at it that way, and
big farmers connected to them, and you know, they have
other other tentacles into their campaigns and their lives, and
they twist it. I mean, there's no guarantee that this thing,

(38:44):
that what they've done, you know, is going to bring it.
Let me tell you something. Let me tell you a
letter that they sent out. And this is the Department
of Health in California. Now California. We can get into
SNAP benefits in a minute, but there's a couple of
states that have actually paid out SNAP benefits. But before
we get to that, this is a Department of Health
Healthcare Services in California. It's not a letter basically saying

(39:08):
that GLP one drug will no longer be covered by
medical which is kind of their version of it. And
it's for weight loss and it includes you know, ten
drugs which also include ozempic and wegovi and among mount Jarrow.

(39:29):
These are you know, these are drugs that were made
famous because a lot of stars and stuff took them,
but they're actually they actually were brought on the market
as diabetic drugs to facilitate people who were near doctors
don't like to use the term pre diabetes, but that's

(39:49):
what they were there for, to facilitate people who's able
to tease were very high and they can you know,
they can maybe you know, kind of before they go
over the uh, before they go over the bridge into
into diabetes. Now, this is something that's preventable. And if
anybody's had a great Obamacare, which I said that has
saved lives, and I mean black men that I know

(40:11):
that have gone and get the screenings, that have gotten
blood panels and urine and FeCO panels, all these things
which are very important because they're like warning lights, Carl.
So you've got to go and you gotta you know,
you got to handle those things and and and you know,
learn about what it means, right, all those things. And
we're dealing with even the great state of California, which

(40:32):
has done some really good things to help its people,
to provide for its people, is going to stop this
program because, like I said, the Republicans decided to give
the zero zero servers un one percent this giant tax break,
and and and their talking point is whether people who
are lazy or it's always comes down to people who

(40:54):
are lazy. They don't they don't go into how most
of the people who who need this help care are
working class people who probably are dealing with more wage
steffs than anything else, because we actually have a billionaire
class in this country, which which glacierrizes huge amounts of money.

(41:14):
When I say billionaire class, let me just and I
don't want to get too far off this, but let
me just lay this down to you. Okay. Elon Musk
proposed and I believe they're close to giving it to him,
a package for him, compensation package for him worth one
trillion dollars, and we're sitting here. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
They actually gave it to brand. But hold right there.
I got the Montees holding. He's got a question for you.
A commentation online too. It ate away from the top
of the hour, a Grand Rise in monte You're only branded.

Speaker 13 (41:48):
Hey, Grand Rising Cars and Grand Rising. I guess I
appreciate your time. This month, I was calling and guy
to comment about our Chuck Schumer. He definitely seems like
a Republican. All this decision making in the last two years,
it's really hurting he it seems like, uh, the Republicans

(42:11):
are and the Democrats are won and were getting nothing
of confidence, and we they take everything from us and
give it back to us like the Americans are almost
you know, stupid. You know, they didn't give us anything.
It just took something and then gave it back. I mean,
I just don't understand the way that this country is going.

Speaker 10 (42:31):
Man.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, and Monte, I think if you call and you
talked about Chuck, he said, Chuck, you know it must
be working for the repeat. Well, Brandon, do you respond
to amantas And also remember that Chuck didn't support Mandonie
in New York as well.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
He deserves all the ire that everybody wants to give him.
Right now, I'm not going to sit here and defend
his actions. I'm not going to defend what he did. Well,
what I will say is black votes. The Afro diaspora
in the United States of America doesn't vote monetarily. Excuse me,
it doesn't vote monolithically monetarily. Yet we actually do that

(43:11):
in any ways. But we don't vote. We vote. Most
of our voting history in the United States of America
for black folks is who will do us the least damage,
who will do the least damage to our our concerns, considerations,
our beliefs, you know, and and and our desires you know,
to to progress in this nation. Uh rarely and only

(43:36):
as of late, and we have people who have advocated
for us blindly. I'm blindly and I mean blindly in
a sense of of uh, just the the the content
of our character and not looking at how one thing
is balanced towards the other. Where we are still fighting
just for our humanity. Okay. So you know there's a
difference between LBJ and say President Obama. We weren't There

(44:03):
wasn't a consideration with President Obama of you know, how
dark was our skin to deal with that. And I
know that sounds crazy to some people, but you know,
that's that's that was one of the strongest things that
we always had to consider in dealing with the systems
in the United States of America. So Assumer at this

(44:24):
particular point deserves the ire from that brother and the
system and anybody that want to call him something, you know,
because yes, he he stayed away from Mamdani and we
all know what that was about. So did Jeffries. And
you know, Jeffries and I said this Carl shortly afterwards.

(44:44):
I said, Jeffries is going to pay with the younger
gen Z and the Alpha Jenn Alpha the first time
they're going to be voting. He's going to pay for
that vote that he gave for Charlie Kurt Day. He's
going to pay for that, you know. And I'm hoping,
but I think it's a reality because.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Literally, again a five way top, it was being Aby Hakeem,
Jeffrey's minority speaker. He gave a late endorsement of Macdonna.
Oh it's right before election day. Do you think that
was planned? Do you think he waited so he couldn't
get face the fire feed. It's endorsedment downey early. And
I'll let you respond to that when we get back,

(45:25):
because I'm looking at the clock here. We've got to
check the traffic and weather in our different cities. It's
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top of the out with political blog of Brandon, we're
analyzing what's going on in Washington, DC. A lot of

(45:48):
politics taking polace in Washington, d C. If you most
of you have probably heard the news. They're closer now
to ending the government shutdown. The Democrats caved eight of
Democrats caved in to support the bill. That's the Continuing
Resolutions on the desk right now and then moves over
to the House and we'll see what happens over there.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
But Brandon, my question.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
To you was, was uh that uh speaking Jeffreys, he
waited to the last minute to sport man domit you
think he could have jailed with I'm gonna go straight
to the chase with a pack because APAC provided him
with a lot of money and a lot of and
and they funded a lot of these uh elected officials.
So do you think he could a deal with him
that you wouldn't come out originally at the start, so

(46:29):
that that Mandomie would would get some legs in his
candidacy and wait till the last minute, so it wouldn't
wouldn't have a more or less impact on the race
in New York City.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Your thoughts, I.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Don't know, Uh, this is the mayor of New York.
He's not you know, he's not governor. It's a it's
it's it's one of those jobs where you get, you know,
a lot of light, but you're not you're not moving much.
You have to move much in different ways. I mean

(47:01):
it's Bloomberg, who was you know? Uh? I think it
was a billionaire when he got the gig. You know,
You've had different people run the city and they've it's
not necessarily as New York goes, so goes the nation.
If you know what I'm saying. It's one of those
star power jobs. But it doesn't necessarily mean that you

(47:23):
have power.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
All right?

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Old that thought? Right? Then?

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Does this mean that he's not the face of the
Democratic Party right now?

Speaker 7 (47:29):
Or is it?

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Lisam? How do you see it?

Speaker 5 (47:31):
I see his I see his strategy is the strategy
of new of new his strategy for using social media,
his strategy for and for what and what he's doing
is he's setting out what I call a governance or
fuzzy governance, which is to pull ideas from everywhere the

(47:54):
because the Republicans are a cult now they speak in
absolutes unless it you know, unless it's their dumb fear,
unless it's him doing something they get. They only get
fuzzy about the Epstein list all of a sudden. Now
it doesn't matter, right, but there's a you know, it's

(48:14):
nothing wrong with someone who's saying, I'm okay, I'm a
democratic socialist because of democratic socialism in the United States
of America has a rich, deep and successful history. A
couple of things unions come out of that thought process
and ideology Social security, Social social security. It's a pay

(48:35):
it forward system. Anybody who's ever been on it, they
get that speech before they leave their their last final
job that talks to them about it. It's nothing wrong
with pulling from different avenues. We have to get beyond
this idea that if you if you consider yourself in
one direction and one thing, that you can't pick up

(48:57):
other great ideas or other tools from another direction and
another thing, except for authoritarianism, because that was tried, Karl.
It was tried and eighty million lost their lives in
that less their lives in that lesson, you did know
what I'm saying, there's no need for us to go
through that anymore, and there's no need for us to

(49:17):
move forward anymore. In the United States of America, you
know what they called authoritarianism or what they called Nazism.
We had Jim Crow here, which had the same type
of laws. They weren't necessarily slated to someone's religion or
cultural ethnicity. They were slated to our color and then
our culture, and then our ethnicity, and were from redlining

(49:39):
from homes, redlinings in vitality, from not getting the GI
bill to not being able to receive Social Security when
it first started. That's right, when it first started, black
people weren't eligible for it. Right. We had our own
battles with that type of thinking. It doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
What you know, right there, I got some more folks
who want to talk to you. Ronnie's reaching out to
us from North Carolina's online two Grand Rising Ronnie are
on with Brandon's on line two.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Yeah here, Hello, yeah, go ahead, can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Sure?

Speaker 14 (50:21):
Okay? Good morning, skirt friend rising. So Brandon, So I
got a question about this deal. So I'm looking at
this deal, so it ends on January thirty year, but
portions of the deal that's about to fund SNAPPED and
other parts of the government to the end of the
fiscal year till next September. So you think that was

(50:44):
a calcualust that those Democrats had in which they agreed
to shut down the deal and knowing that there probably
another shut down in January, but they know that SNAP
and some of those other important funds will still be
funded when the fight up at the end of January.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
Okay, I don't have any I don't have any professional
experience in SNAP distribution, but here is my base of
line playing at the yard basketball opinion. Once the Democrats said, look,

(51:28):
we're gonna stand up for the people. You're not going
to do this to them, they should have held out
until more people could feel what was happening. Do you
understand I'm saying there was a lot of fear in
people's minds when that November first came around and they
looked at their accounts. I don't know how SNAP works
around the nation, but I'm assuming that their accounts that
are set up or whatever, and you see that you

(51:50):
either have it or you don't have it, and they
should have let that become the driving momentum. And I'm
only saying because what you just said is absolutely correct.
They went for longer terms. But you're dealing with the government.
You're dealing with the people a cult who doesn't care

(52:11):
a damn bit of thing about the law, about ideas, concepts,
and promises. Trump put out a letter. He put out
a letter telling the states Alaska, I think, I want
to say Washington, I want to say California, and a
couple other states that actually had distributed their snaps to

(52:33):
give it back. Now that sounds crazy, right, namely all
the crazy stuff he said that they have actually made
a reality that they helped to make a reality. I
really want people to understand this. The Republicans have fully
and wholeheartedly abdicated their congressional responsibility to balance one of

(52:54):
the checks and balances on the executive branch. They have
completely because they fund the government, they are supposed to
control the purse streams, and they are supposed to control
whether or not, like say, tariffs are put out. I
don't want to go off into the terrorist state. So
what you said is actually so there is there a
win there through people unless people understand there's the win.

(53:16):
Is there actually a win? You know, politics is just
as much let me see what you've done as opposed
you just doing something. And I think a lot of
people pull out of this that tumors too old. The
boomers have let us down here. They're playing by old rules,
and they're not the people for the moment. I don't
think I don't think that these two this is my
personal view. I don't think that these people are matching

(53:40):
the moment, and they're not matching the energy that many
of us have. That we have fallen into a fascist abyss.
And I'm not speaking in high terms. I'm speaking directly
about it because people are still getting rounded up. And
I think there's a report, Carl that at least four
Americans so far have been shot by ICE. And so

(54:01):
what we're in Ice has been bullying and continues to
bully human beings as they're trying to set right, to
set themselves rights by the law. I don't want to,
you know, break off into that, but this is like
the brown Shirts, and as it's quietly going on in
this violence is being met upon these people. You know,
the congressional ties to this is being blown apart by

(54:22):
a cult.

Speaker 14 (54:25):
Thank you. I got one more quick question, a feeling
we have a presidential lesson in twenty twenty eight. Who
do you really like as a front runner for the Democrats?
And I take it off the air, thank you.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
Yeah, Newsom is obviously setting himself up to be the person.
I have this problem, Carl, with the Democrats. We throw
away champions, We throw them away. They don't win. With
how many times did Nixon run? Was it three? Reagan
ran twice? I think, uh, you know, lost the first time.

(55:06):
They always you know, they always lose it and then
and then they come back. But when Democrats lose, man,
that's it. You never hear from them again. Gore lost,
you never heard from again. He he went off and
did a couple you know, documentaries, and that was it.
I would like to see an A lot of people
want to say, I'd like to see a Kamala run again,

(55:26):
and I'd like her to fiercely talk about how she
called for cease fire early in her campaign is as
she could. The campaign was truncated, of course, as you know,
by the by the times and the perils of the
timing of it. But yeah, I think Newsom is probably.

(55:47):
You know, he's probably the front running all.

Speaker 9 (55:50):
The man.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Brandon twelve after the top tweeted just said, Brandon, the
Green ticket is Newsom and more.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
It's on about Maryland.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
You all thoughts, I don't know, you know, this is
why we need to have this is why we need
to have, you know, the elections that lead up to
and we need to have campaigns to hear what everybody
has to say. I'm only saying new So not not
because he's the governor of my state, but because he's
been so you know, boisterous and loud, and he has
he's fought back and a lot of people recognize that.

(56:22):
Now remember not too long ago, you know, he he
was hosting some of these ridiculous Republicans, some of the
high priests of this cult. Bannon was one of them.
He had him on his podcast, and so you have
to you know, those are things I think that he
needs to explain to the people. But yeah, I mean, yeah,

(56:44):
I see him as outlining as one. I don't know,
I'm not gonna put together ticket right now because we
still got to get through the midterms, and you know,
judging from the actions of humor, who knows what's going
to happen. I mean, they really had this issue right
in the palm of the hands. And yes, people were suffering,
they absolutely were. But the point of the matter is
is that you have to you have to stop, stop

(57:08):
the situation and or the machine that's forcing the suffering,
rather than than throwing a band aid on it and saying, well,
we got to promise to stop the suffering, which is
which is not the case. You know, you don't know
what they're going to do. You can't depend on them.
And because there's no way to bind for that. You know,

(57:28):
they said they're going to put the vote on the
floor that they they got they got to promise that
the that the Republicans will put the vote on the
floor for the affordable care accent. That's not you know,
it's not binding, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Thirteen after the top, they are Another news item came
through this morning that Donald Trump's part in Rudy Giovanni
and others who back there is to overturn the twenty
twenty election. You talk, you talk about the financism coming.
Is this another direction another move into what you discussion
this morning?

Speaker 5 (58:02):
I mean, yes, we're in it. It's not coming. So yes,
that's what this is. That's what they do. We're dealing
with what, you know, what's called a cacristocracy, which is
when you have some of the worst people who could
be in positions, in positions like a like a cash
Ftel who's the head of the h FBI and flying

(58:22):
his plane, this private jet to go see his girlfriend.
You know, now that's not not only is that kind
of you know, immature, it's dangerous that you're that you
would be that loose with you know, with that type

(58:44):
of equipment, with that type of sis, because it shows
that you can be easily influenced to do something. You know.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
It's just right, taxpayers money at that that's you.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
Know, yeah, yeah, I mean the tax Yeah, the taxpayer
money thing is that you know, given how ridiculous that is,
but it's just you know, that's your girlfriend. Is it
your girlfriend? I'm not I don't know where I'm not
trying to lay that is, but just to you know,
to to go to those links shows kind of a
denial of who you are and the seriousness of your position,

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you see what I'm saying. And so there's there's a
definite disconnect there. You know, Sure, he can come down
on small people, or he can he can send the
FBI and to investigate people and do all kinds of things.
But you know, you're you're you're taking you know, the
people's plane for a booty call.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Fifteen half the topic this Brandon family. He's a political blogger.
What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight seventy six. Cliff is callings from Connecticut. He's online too,
Grand Rising, Cliff, you're always Brandon.

Speaker 15 (59:54):
I'll put that down Grand Rising and Brandon, I agree
with you one hundred percent.

Speaker 16 (01:00:00):
No reason why the black leadership should not come together
and galvanize and support or maybe influence or persuade Vice
President former Vice President Kamala Harris to run. I just
don't get it, you know. And so here we go again.
You know, just say she did she was a nominee
for the Black for the Black leadership. Then they can

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do is do that primary in which they were talking
about before, and then if the Democratic Party, now that
would be an opportunity to put the Democratic Party to
the test whether they be willing to vote for sister
Kamala Harris. But at this point, I don't I don't
understand why she won't run. And if she doesn't have

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the desire to run, then how seriously did she want
that Candnessey in the first place? Trump wanted that presidency
suon as he lost. The whole campaign was about him winning,
and even what they had at debate and he didn't
show up, they knew that they wanted Trump to be
the nominee. And so all I'm simply saying is why

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can't we have that same desire and that same fervor
to have Kamla Harris to win and or to run again?
And we just won't do it. And so here we
go again. If she doesn't run, then we'll have some
white boy, whether it be Prisker from Illinois, whether it
be Shapiro from Pennsylvania, whether Renew some written Rich Moore

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from Michigan. So here we go again. And this is
what black Republicans say when they say that black people
are on a Democratic plantation, because we go through the
same thing over and over again. Where won't we see
another black president?

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
All right, Cliff, I thank you for your call. We
got to step aside for a few moments. I'll let
Brandon respond to that. We've got some more folks want
to talk to Brandon. We're talking politics this morning. Family,
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Twenty one minutes after the top of that, I guess

(01:01:57):
this's the political blog of Brandon are discussing could possibly
be the end of the shutdown. I'm judging from the
calls we've had so far, I don't think many people
are happy with the deal that was made. But before
we do that, Brandon, Jane Detroit wants to speak to
you before we go to Jay though, why don't you
respond to Cliff's question about Kamala Harris.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
Well, there's a two part situations. There's us, the electorate
is the constituency the voters, and then there's the candidates.
And I can't really rate many candidates for not wanting
to go through that process. It is a damning process
when you lose. Many of them have talked about the

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bitterness that they have and the pain that they go through,
and so I can't you know, if someone doesn't want
to run again, I can't sit there and shelve them forward.
My thing is the problem is that we don't support
people when they tip, when they when they tip their
toes into it, when they say, we don't say, you know,
get up there and go do it again. For some reason,

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it's you know, you lose on the left and that's it,
and they're done with you. And the idea should be
we'll get them next time, and it shouldn't be. It
shouldn't be. I mean Biden is pretty much an example
of that. You know, he lost a couple of times.
He had been in officer quite some time. President Obama

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picked him up as vice president and then he has
a name. You know, he ran using that to catapult him.
But in this situation, I you know, I couldn't imagine
being her, And what I wanted to see from her is,
you know, some of that fired, and we know he got.

(01:03:40):
But the resignation I think was ready for that. She
didn't want to give them the easy I my opinion,
the easy angry black woman Monica. But that's kind of
what we need when you're when you're talking, when someone
blurts out the Haitian immigrants are eating pets, they're eating
cats and dogs. A remarkable lie, just a just a

(01:04:06):
horrible lie that because it's a cult, helped put targets
on those people's backs. They had to start, they had
to had their head on a swivel, Karl, and they
had to start being woke in that community because they
were getting frids because of it, you know, And you
kind of wanted someone who was going, you know, take

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that and use it as a as a strong and
powerful political bludgeon, and that that wasn't in her plans.
I don't know if it's in her nature because I've
never met the woman, but I just wasn't insight. And
that's the kind of thing. It's like, sometimes we need
to butcher some of them folks and say, you know what,
let loves go ahead, cut loose. It's time, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Twoenty three of that top. As I mentioned, Jay's joining
us from Detroit. He wants to get in on this conversation.
He's online three Grand Rising Jay Erromic Brandon.

Speaker 11 (01:05:00):
Rising, Grand Rising to your guests. Before I ask my question,
I just want to preface this my comments and questions
because I normally don't get too much into politics because systematically,
most people don't really understand how it works. Referred to
the Democratic facade, people like Sea write meals and others.

(01:05:24):
But anyway, first of all, used to be an old
adage about lawyers and how can you tell when the
lawyer's lyne. It's like when you see the mouth move,
So you know, I kind of look at that. It's
politicians too. The so called promise and deal that the

(01:05:45):
Republicans supposedly put out, it's not worth the paper was
written on, so I would discount that, you know, it
just it's really ridiculous. But my question is related to
I saw a scroll of the news report that Trump
has come out and said that he was going to

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issue two thousand dollars to most Americans based upon the
revenue they getting from tariffs. So I wanted to know
if Brandon had seen that or heard anything about that.
And one last thing related back to your original conversation
around the football game and sports, which is my wheelhouse.

(01:06:27):
There's been reports that what initiated that altercation between the
Washington Commander's defensive mineman and i'man sat R from the
Lions was that when he scored a touchdown, he did
the celebration and pointed to the suite where Trump was
supposed to be as a salute to Trump and did

(01:06:51):
the little Trump dance. And so that's what precipitated the
ire for that football player on the Commanders. Along with it,
they were physically hetting beat up also. So I just
wanted to but back to the tariffs thing. Have you
heard anything about that? To your guest Brandon.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
All, Thanks Jay, there's some reports that says the tariffs
have cost American families about three thousand to six thousand dollars.
I've I've heard different. Understand that any amount of money
that comes your way is if there comes anybody's way,

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is coming from the purse that they already paid in
the taxes. This is what was so important. I don't
know if you were able to hear. The Supreme Court
just had a hearing on and the prosecution didn't really
have much to say. Kay Tell Kittel Katte was brilliant

(01:08:00):
in his assessment of what it was. And yes, I
mean even even Roberts came out and said, look, terrorists
are a tax. So how somebody going to tax, tax,
tax everybody and then give them back a part of
the tax. That's like you know, when you're going to
you're going to an underground gambling joint. They you know,
you put down some money, they give you some chips,

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and then you lose and they give you some of
them chips back. Well, where's the rest of my money?
We're taking that.

Speaker 10 (01:08:27):
The whole Yeah you still yeah, right, yeah, they playing
with people, But a lot of people went with that
before when in his first term, you know, when they're
supposed to issue.

Speaker 11 (01:08:40):
Those uh checks out, it was the same principles. So
and at a time when you know, like you said,
it's poll numbers are low and people are starting to
wake up to you know, these aborted policies that they've
been instituted, you know, the complete chaos that they've created
in just ten months, and so you know, and the media,

(01:09:03):
the so called media is so complicit that it's too
you know, and the way they present this.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
So yeah, look, look for everybody, for everybody, it is
so important to support Carl Nelson because here's why. For
everyone that needs the media, and I'm even saying this,
you know, for conservatives as well. You need a media
that's going to use the resources of the bigger business,

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the corporation that owns that's going to ask direct questions
so that you can not just map out your day
or week or month, but that your life is not
in due chaos. And instead what has happened is the
heads of these news departments have been the need to
a government. It is dangerous. It is the only job

(01:09:51):
in the constitution that is not set up in the
checks and balances that has protection, and that's power of
the press, the only one. And yet still they bend
the knee, all of them, all of them, of the
of the top in the big news organization. I call
them organizations, but they're actually corporatocracies. All of them have

(01:10:11):
been to need to this cat and I'm telling you
it is connected in the same way with authoritarian authoritarianism.
What happens is what gets lost is the future because
you cannot make plans based on lies of today. You
cannot if you try to do that, the like you
go down the room, somebody say, hey man, that bridge
is out, and that telling you the news. You're not

(01:10:32):
listening to it. You're going off the bridge. But if
someone says, oh, it's fine, you're still gonna go off
the bridge. And the problem is is that we've gotten
to the point where we can't listen to everyday reports,
which is insane. I mean, you gotta, you gotta really
listen to Carl Show to find out what the weather
in traffic is because you don't know if they're gonna

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tell you the truth about it. And so it's it's
it's it's a bigger it's a bigger problem. And I'm
in the wave of the youth that's coming is coming
from an era or a decision or an area of
we don't trust you at all. The okay boomer has
spread to Gen X and even gone into some of

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the some of the millennials because they can see and
they've discussed what's happened. Social media is here and they
talk about all the time. Yes, a lot of it's silly, Yes,
a lot of it's still immature. Yes, a lot of
it is still isn't completely formed, but there's a lot
that is. And they're hitting the nails on the head.
And then you got Chuck Schumer, a man to them

(01:11:38):
that seems positively ancient making decisions about the future that
he probably won't see.

Speaker 11 (01:11:46):
And that's very profound what you just said, that's so
very important. And social media, even you know, it has
its drawbacks. It's the modern day drumbeat. It's the issue
and function of communication, especially among the young people. And

(01:12:07):
we you know, I'm a boomer and we have to
be more in tune what's going on for sure. So yeah,
I can cur one hundred percent or two. And people
need to read Jason Stanley's book about fascism, and yeah,
so many other you know, but that's I promote them
because he's he's right on time. And every time you

(01:12:27):
come on, you right on time because the warning, the
signs are right there. You know, you see history being
repeated with the media being taken over. That's just Joseph
Goebbels all again, you know that type of thing. All right,
thanks for the insight.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Thanks to another thing too, Brandon. That that two thousand
dollars that Jay talked about. It's not going to be
a check family, So don't think it's going to be
a check with his name atty like the last time around.
He's talking about cutbacks. He's talking about the fact that
people social Security who get the one have to pay
taxes on this Social Security. They're figuring in all kinds
of ways you won't get a physical check for two grands.

(01:13:06):
I just wanted everybody to know.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
That he's sent a memo. He sent a memo out
telling the states that started up they were able. These
are mostly blue state they able us to deliver some
snap benefits to give them back to the government. Do
you think a person like that really wants you to
do it? Look, Natie Pelosi just announced that she's not

(01:13:30):
going to run for office again. Let me tell you
why that's important. Senator Cortes Mastau sixty one years old,
The Durban eighty, Fetterman fifty six, Maggie Hassan sixty seven,
Him Kane sixty seven, Angus King eighty one, Jackie rose

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In sixty eight, Janine Shaheen seventy eight. These are the
top people that voted with the with the Republicans. To
what people are saying is is the cavin okay with this,
with this UH shutdown? She is allowing hersel I think

(01:14:12):
she broke her hip to at some point, but she's saying, okay,
this is done. But one of the more powerful things
people need to study this. She was the person, the
point person who was who was responsible for the COVID
stimulates pack. She is she's the one that ensured that

(01:14:36):
it stayed alive. Trump didn't want to do it at first,
and she's the one that ensured that it stayed alive. Now,
his his signature ended up on it, but it was
it was her efforts that it that that ushered this
thing through the channels, through the purse, the power of
the purse. And that's one of the few times, Carl Well,
we we chose through our representatives to help one another

(01:14:57):
through COVID, and those checks came and those accounts were
filled for those who who qualified, and you know, people
kind of made do as best they can. And there
was a whole as far as I'm concerned, the whole
evil side to what the business took. But that's a
different show altogether. That's that's what that looks like. Though
it's a fight, it's a grapple. It's how we're going

(01:15:19):
to get this through, not just someone saying, Okay, you're
gonna get to do two grand like you just said,
ain't gonna happen. I don't think it's gonna happen. Me
put it that way because I'm not an economist. But
for every other lie that has been told, which one
do you think is one to hold on to. You know,
the checkers in the mail, Come on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Brandon, twenty six away from the topic. Let me ask
you this though, if this resolution is passed and the
government reopens, then they have to swear in the lady
from Arizona, and then the Democrats will have enough votes
to open the Epstein fives. Do you think they've factored
that into these developments, Well.

Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
They have much enough votes to move that legislation forward
that the actual files being opened I think would be
still two steps away. Am I correct? Wouldn't it? It's
not necessarily because there it hasn't been voting on. But yes,
she does remain. You know, one of the strong points
that Democrats have and one of the weak the things

(01:16:21):
that make Johnson week is that he has not seated her,
and he's come up with excuse of excuse, have excused
a lot of people said basically, you know, the one
of the reasons why we're in the shutdown is because
of that. I think that there might be a confluence
of things, but yeah, there are actions that move people
from one direction to another if you don't pay attention.

(01:16:42):
And I'm telling you, you know, my man, it was
just on it mirrors a lot of what happens to fashion.
The person he was talking about was Jason Stanley. He
wrote this book called How Fascism Works, and it's it's
it's pretty spot on with how modern day Carl modern

(01:17:02):
day not just always Nazism, but or Bond and and
a few others that have used these kind of maps.
And when you start reading it, you're going to wow,
you know, and then you look at Trump you go wow,
you know what I'm saying, And so yeah, yeah, I
think that in connection with that, those things, those things

(01:17:23):
have you know, they may have legs in one way
or another, but you got to understand, you know, what
is it? What is the bigger picture?

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
How are how are we you know, how are we
looking at? Who is turning it off? Because, like I said,
the Pelosi's she's leaving. You know a lot of people
right now are calling for for Schumer to resign, which
I just don't think of. As a matter of fact,
I didn't count Carl, but uh, this is all. One
of the things that makes this really bad for for

(01:17:52):
Shumer at all is that a lot of these people
they're safe votes. Many aren't. You know, there's a couple
that aren't going to run for the office. Again, there
are a couple that are safe beyond twenty twenty six.
They're in the twenty twenty eight. So if they are
not doing it, and then Schumer could just say he
voted no. I think he said, you know, but are
you are you the leader of the minority or not?

(01:18:14):
You know? Are you trying to say this is out
of your hand?

Speaker 14 (01:18:16):
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
Yeah, and hold that though.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Right there, we got to step aside and get caught
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(01:18:40):
what political blog of Brandon join us from out of California, Pasadena, California,
be exact. Coming up later this morning, we're going to
speak with former vice presidential candidate doctor Melina abdullah S
who was on the ticket with Cornell West in the
last election, last presidential election. Also, we're going to speak
to a movie mayor, Chris Reiser. He's going to previous
ladies project Heavy is the Crown. That's the title of

(01:19:01):
his latest project. And later this week you're going to
hear from author and clinician doctor Jeromy Fox and also
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DMV or on fourteen fifty WL. All right, Brandon got
a tweet question for it two that says, I'm trying
to decipher this, so just apologize. Sometimes you get tweets

(01:19:23):
and you gotta put it in the right frame. Is
if there's a next shutdown, should also the elected officials
not be paid? Congress should not get paid. How do
we go about achieving that? Basically, the question is, if
this is next shutdown, Congress, all the Congress people who
can okay the shutdown or not should not get paid.
Basic and Fust wantson how is that achieved?

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Well, I mean it's a very unique position. They get
to vote on their own pay when they receive it
and also when they get rass that's one of the
rare things Congress to get them. People don't like it,
you know you can, you can kick them out. I
will say this though also to I always go back

(01:20:08):
to this. President Obama one day of one of his
say the Union species look right at Alito and said
that Citizens United case was going to put a heavy
strain on the people's voice because it basically allows corporations

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of any size and people of any wealth to speak
with their cash. And it has injected huge amounts of
money into the election process to the point where to
have somebody represents you, they have their almost in constant
money raising mode, and they have to make alliances sometimes

(01:20:54):
with their biggest donors to do things. This is what
when you speak of APEX, That's what's happening. And I'm
not even I don't know how many, especially on the Democrats,
I don't how many people align themselves ideologically with theay back.
But if they if they're well funded by them, and
they're can and they're offered funding, and it's it's sound

(01:21:14):
like bribery. It in my I agree with President Obama
that way. It's not bribery anymore than it would be
if you're if Citizens United didn't exist and you could contribute,
you know, up to four grand and you did that
yourself and expected, you know, some sort of reaction to that.

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But it's it's gotten completely. It's it's ridiculous. And that's
one of the bigger problems I think is that the
money is so Yes, they can vote, they can vote
on their own raises, they can vote on their own salaries,
they can vote on it. So the answer probably is no,
there's no way to no way to stop that because

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they do get it. They still get Congress still gets
eight during a shutdown. Everybody else around them, including on
the the in the mall, you know, the people that
handle the the tours and cleaning up, and they're not
they're not paid. They're not paid. They're not even paid

(01:22:19):
to keep the place sanitary.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
So yeah, that's a whole nother discussion there. They all
these troopers that came into Washington, d C. And they
have been on a beautification project, if you will, you know,
instead of.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
Stopping stuff that right right, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
But Brandon, here here's another question that somebody said, they're
analyzing the results of Tuesdays elections and it saw that
the Latino audiences come back. You know, they broke for
Trump in the presidential election. Granted he wasn't on any
of the tickets, but they're looking at the reports now
and say most of them have voted for the Democrats
in the last elections.

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
What are your thoughts about that?

Speaker 5 (01:22:58):
Well, you know, the Latino vote was split in a
way that was very interesting. It was mostly men, Latino
men that broke for Trump a lot.

Speaker 9 (01:23:08):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
The women had a good percentage, but it wasn't as high.
I was at a situation. I was at a job
and I heard one of the catching line and he said, yeah, well,
you know, I voted, and he spoke.

Speaker 9 (01:23:25):
He spoke.

Speaker 5 (01:23:26):
He spoke in a Southern California Latino dialect, which sounds
like someone can speak Spanish, but they don't. You know,
It's it's their own kind of unique thing. And he
looked on his arms and he had Dodgers tat it
on his arm, you know, a real tattoo, and he
was wearing the Dodger's hat, which I found, you know interesting.

(01:23:47):
I'm just I'm ear hustling and listening, and he talked
about his vote for Trump and why he voted for him.
He was talking to somebody else and I just found it,
you know, remarkable, because they're able, many of them, not all,
but many are able to disassociate themselves from the words
that this man put out from the very beginning, Carl,

(01:24:09):
from the very beginning, he inspired two brothers, two white
men who were brothers in Boston to run up on
a sleeping Latino, homeless man and beat him and then
urinate on him. And we know this because they were
caught and prosecuted for it, and that they said that,

(01:24:30):
you know, they were inspired by Trump. And this is
from the very beginning. They're not sending us their best,
and yet and still he was still able to find
a headway. I think the idea that cruelty is to
point for some people is enough and for some others,

(01:24:51):
you know, whatever their ideas were, you know, ideologically, we
probably this wayed by some sort of I don't know, Carl,
I can say some sort of they bought, they bought,
they bought the they bought the sack that this man
can produce great things through business. And as we know,

(01:25:16):
you know, we are entrepreneurs as well, Latinos are, and
so they have that spirit and so that spirit probably
spoke to them in many ways.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Yeah, let me ask you this. I ate away from
the tom you think it was the fact that he
was deporting so many and going after them with ice
and not going after them in a nice way. You know,
he said he was going after the murders or the rapists,
and I guess when they ran out of those, they're
just picking up grandma's who's to overstate their visas and
people who are not, you know, another threat to society.

(01:25:50):
It goes around picking them up. Do you think that
that had an impact on the on the racial last Tuesday?
Because I mentioned were pawn in Jersey Hudson County, which
is as a forty percent pop population a Hispanic population,
and Democrat Mika charell a beat Republican jack Is Sarah
Telly by fifty points. And this just one of what
they're pointing to that spanksand finally got that wake up

(01:26:11):
call and probably coming back home to the Democratic Party.

Speaker 5 (01:26:13):
Your thoughts, I absolutely believe that it had some sort
of effect on them. It's not what you just said,
It's not just which is you know, a horrible thing
to say, but it's not just rounding them up, but
the way in which he's doing it and who he's
rounding up. And maybe they thought that they could disassociate

(01:26:34):
themselves from you know, they're not a monolith either. You know,
I tell people this all the time. I've said this
on your show all the time, that LA is that
the Latino Afro American bond in Los Angeles is as
old as the city. We founded it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:26:51):
It was a dei diverse, woke group of people that
founded Los Angeles, and they been here and they you know,
they they're not all New age immigrants or yesterday immigrants,
and they're not all you know, locked in to one
thing or another. So I can imagine seeing people snatched from

(01:27:15):
their children while they're screaming, seeing people who are going
to courts to do the right thing, and then walking
out into a hallway of masked white men in you
know what looks like you know, Amazon, Bob Camo snatching
people and just putting in there and black backing them.
Seeing people sent grandma's and grandfather who's been here for

(01:27:36):
fifty years, you know, who paid taxes and worked hard,
set off to Salvador places they know nothing about seeing
this happen. Probably you know, touches many of them, but
I think, you know, you would do better to have
have them on and ask them directly, because this is
one thing, the one thing about that vote that we

(01:27:58):
always we see poule and we we we hear of
like you just talked about Jersey, we hear about the results.
But you know it's rare we sit down and talk
to us and tell us what's up? Why where is
it coming from? What do you see? You know, because
I'm gonna tell you right now the reaction in this

(01:28:18):
country from white supremacists and the idea which is, you
know what the Republican Party has allowed est party to be.
It has a lot to do with the fact that
they can count and in some areas, you know, all
the minorities together represent some some balance, some parity with
their power. You did what I'm saying, and so they

(01:28:41):
have this idea of replacement theory that Latinos are going
to outbaby them. Well in some areas they are because
you know, you know, they're they're they're having three and
four and five kids and they're doing what they should
do to try to, you know, to make sure that
they're educated and they're working hard, and they're making these
things happen, and they're not being able to be assimilated

(01:29:03):
by the idea of I think this is my you know,
personal idea that this is a stratification. You know, that
there's a place for them in one of the wrongs.
They don't consider that. They're not they're not even looking
in those directions. And so what does this this government do.
It literally begins to import white people from South Africa.

(01:29:24):
It is a remarkable thing to watch. It's you know,
in order to balance and say, okay, let's go find
a place. I mean, the only place you go get
that that is more steally in that direction that they
want to go will probably be Russia.

Speaker 10 (01:29:36):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:29:37):
They just but they're already coming. Russians aren't getting deported.
You ain't seen Russians lined up and handcuffed and sent
back to Moscow or or or Leningrad or Stalingrad or
you know, they're not. They're not being you know, Saint Petersburg,
they're not being shipped back. They're they're blocked in here.

(01:29:59):
So I just I think that that that the Latino
vote is something. It's broad and it has many different
moving parts, and it may be time. It definitely is
time for us to begin the process of asking them,
you know directly, well, what what happened here? You know
what happened with you and Trump?

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Right and all?

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
I thought right there, because you're right. You don't see
I say, at Brighton Beach down in Brooklyn or there,
which is a Russian Alan clay. We don't see them
down there, but they're in East LA looking for Hispanics.
But I got, we got, we got to take the traffic,
weather and we come back. Well, let me ask you
this question. We go to the traffic, Uh, Brandon, Donald
Trump is threatening to go into Nigeria, you know, s
old country. He likes to call the Nigeria one of

(01:30:40):
the s old countries. I want to get your thoughts
on that. And let's but let's check the traffic and weather,
not different cities real quick. Three away from the top
of our family, I guess this political blog of Brandon.
You want to join this discussion. Reach out to us
at eight hundred and full five zero seventy eight seventy six,
and we take calls next after the traffic and weather
together and grand Rising family. Thanks rolling in the morning,
Thanks for staying your week with us. I guess this

(01:31:02):
political blog of Brandon. I'm gona Tellion to speak with
a movie maker, Amadeus Christ about his latest project. But Brandon,
before we left for the trafficking weather, I was asking
you about Nigeria Donald Trump. He said he sits on Nigeria.

Speaker 5 (01:31:16):
Why I'm not entirely sure because he's not entirely sane.
But I can tell you this, Molly, Kina, Fasso, Niger, Senegal,

(01:31:36):
Chad and the Ivory Coast, they've all cut ties with France.
This has all happened in the last five years, starting
in twenty twenty. The CFA franc which is which was
forced upon these countries to be their currency, the way

(01:32:00):
for the central or for some of the central banking
in Europe to control many of the resources there. And
what you're seeing is these nations are rising to control
their own futures, their own destinies, through their through their resources.

(01:32:22):
Nigeria has the largest army out of all of them.
I believe it's the most militarily advanced. You know, I
don't know if anybody's ever asked themselves again, how do
these countries, these European nations. You know, they don't make,
they don't manufacture at levels of the United States, let

(01:32:46):
alone China. So how do they Well, one of the
ways is is they either own, usurp or control many
of the raw natural resources coming out of Africa. And
so I would say that the long play is to
probably go after the strongest military presence. But who knows,

(01:33:10):
there may be there may be some money in you know,
running bullets there. I don't know. It's it's you know,
that's what's happening when you have this kind of cronyism
that's going on in our government right now. It's like,
you know, you don't know what's true, and even when
it shows up, it still may not be right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
And Nigeria's Africa's the most populous country as well, the
more people in Nigier than any other African states, so
that that's true, and you know, and they've got several
billionaires as well. The richest black man the planet is
in Nigeria. And so anyway, Brandon, I want to thank
you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning, and
the folks want to reach youther, they go through me again.

Speaker 5 (01:33:48):
Or they can come they come through you, Carl, you
know where to send them to, to my uh my
Instagram page which is nightest one n I G H
t U S one the number one, and from there
we'll be kicking it over.

Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Yeah, Brandon, we didn't talk about that because you're out
there in that burn area Pasadena Aladena areas. Is things
back to normally yet?

Speaker 5 (01:34:15):
No, they're not back to normal, but homes are being built.
But I have a suspicion that where a lot of
homes are going up and they're not being you know,
crowded into were some homes are going up, it's probably
uh not individuals or not families rebuilding, probably new buyers,
and that may signal something else from the presence of

(01:34:38):
private equity firms.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
All right, something we'll talk about next time. Thanks Brandon,
Thanks for sharing your expertise with.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
Us this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
All right, take care of Carl PEF.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
Brandon and he's a political blogger. And now we turn
attention to movie maker Amadeus christ grand Rising. Welcome back
to the program.

Speaker 17 (01:34:57):
Yes, sir, thank you for having me back. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
And many of you probably know him from a series
Out of Darkness series. But let me ask you this, though,
how did you get in become a filmmaker? Because you're
not in Hollywood, You're in the Bay Area, San Francisco, Oakland,
Bay Area. How did you get involved in becoming a filmmaker?

Speaker 17 (01:35:16):
I got into filmmaking kind of by accident. I started
off as a musician, as a rapper. And I don't
know if you know anything about the Bay Area music scene,
but particularly in the nineties early two thousands, the Bay

(01:35:39):
Area music scene, the hip hop scene was really strong, independent.

Speaker 10 (01:35:46):
A lot of.

Speaker 17 (01:35:47):
Bay Area rappers were selling tapes and CDs out of
the back of their trunks. The Bay Area Oakland to
be specific, has a real wrong revolutionary spirit, go getters spirit,

(01:36:08):
very independent. So I grew up in the nineties early
two thousands as a young kid kind of seeing all
of these rappers sell CDs and tapes out of the
trunk of their cars. When I was a big Tupac fan,
and when Tupac passed in nineteen ninety six, I was

(01:36:33):
about fifteen years old at the time, and I saw
the impact that Tupac had worldwide on the youth. And
when he passed. I made a decision in my mind
that I was going to be a revolutionary. Fast forward

(01:36:54):
a little bit later, early two thousands, when I decided
to go into music, I kind of followed the same
path as all of the rest of the Bay Area rappers.
I was totally independent, doing everything on my own. Started
off wrapping. The studio that I went to got shut down,

(01:37:19):
and the guy who ran the studio, he said, you know,
I'm closing the studio down, but I want to I
don't want to leave you hanging. Let me, I'm going
to tell you this drum machine. It was an NPC
two thousand, so he sold me this drum machine for
about one thousand dollars. Bought the drum machine, started making

(01:37:42):
my own beats, and I had never now I'm entering
the world of production. So after about a month or
so messing around with this drum machine, I said, you
know what, I'm going to have to really go to
school to learn how to do this perfon professionally. And
I just happened to see a listen to an ad

(01:38:04):
on the radio about a music school on Bryant Street
downtown San Francisco, and it was ran by a guy
named David Gibson, And the thing that struck me was
he let you do payments, monthly payments.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
The school was.

Speaker 17 (01:38:23):
About eight thousand dollars a semester, but he lets you
do monthly payments at about one hundred dollars a month.
So I said, okay, that's something I could do. So
I went to the school, learned music theory, learned production,
learn how to mix and master with pro tools. The

(01:38:43):
second semester was music business. There's a guy named C.
Michael Bray. He was from Harlem, and he taught us
music business, really like teaching us like war strategy, how
to you know, strategized, use the different market and promote

(01:39:06):
our music. So I started really getting serious about music.
Started my own record label based out of Oakland, started
releasing my own music. Took on a whole bunch of

(01:39:27):
other artists. So now I'm rapping, i am producing, making beats,
I'm mixing, I'm mastering. And one day I had a
good friend, actually he was my photographer, and he had
a friend by the name of Yap, and Yap was

(01:39:49):
putting together a film distributed by Warner Brothers, and it
was called Sideways. It was about the side shows the
street takeovers in Oakland, and he asked me to do these.
He asked me to do the intro, and he asked
me to write it. And I wrote the intro and

(01:40:10):
then he said, you know what, I just want you
to come and record it. So I went to his
studio and I'm using pro Tools with primarily an audio program,
but I saw him using a program called final Cut Pro,
which is how to edit film. So I said, that
looks very similar to Pro Tools. I said, what is that.

(01:40:33):
He said, oh, this is how I edit movies. So
that kind of stuck with me. Not too long after that,
I'm in the studio one day and I get a
call from Google. I was unemployed at the time, just
found out that I was getting ready to have a son.

(01:40:58):
I get a call from Google and they say, hey,
you want to work. We're heading up. We're starting a
program called the Hardware Depot program. This is at Google
headquarters in Mountain View, California. They said, we want you
to We came across your resume. We want you to
come on and head this hardware Depot program. I said, sure,

(01:41:20):
I needed the job. I needed some steady income at
the time. So within three days I was on the
Google campus and that completely changed my life being around
some of the smartest people in the world. The environment
at Google was just highly innovative. They were developing Android

(01:41:42):
at the time. But make a long story short, being
at Google, I figured out that, you know, I got
to get serious about my life. It inspired me to
go back to college. I had went to San Jose
State about eight years prior to this, but ended up
dropping out because I wanted to make video games but

(01:42:04):
they didn't have a video game program. So I kind
of dropped out of San Jose State in order to
pursue my rap career. So now eight years later, I'm
at Google. I'm inspired to go back to school, but
I didn't necessarily know what I wanted to get my
degree in. So I'm browsing through the course catalog and

(01:42:26):
I come across, well, let me back up when I
eight years prior, when I went to San Jose State
and I dropped out. I actually got disqualified because of
my grades because I just kind of lost focus. So
when I applied for re enrollment, they made me take

(01:42:47):
to community college classes. So I'm browsing through the course catalog,
didn't know what I wanted to major in I see film.
I said, oh, that sounds interesting. If I take film,
then I'll be able to shoot my own music videos.
Still doing music at the time, and the music video

(01:43:08):
component was the only component that I thought I was missing.
So I said, hey, you know, if I take this
film and I've become a film director, I can shoot
my own video. I won't have to pay anybody three
to five thousand dollars to shoot a video. So that
was that's how I ended up in the film. So
I go and take the first class at the community college.

(01:43:30):
It's an editing class. So we're all at the board.
It's a big, long AVID board, looks like a big
SSL board. So everybody's at the board. The whole class
is at the board. This is probably our third or
fourth day. Teacher gives us a whole bunch of footage
the edit. He gives us a hard drive to edit
a whole bunch of footage. So I enter the hard

(01:43:54):
drive in about four or five maybe maybe ten, I
say the most ten minute I was done. I go
back to the teacher instructor. I say, you want to
come take a look at this. He says, oh, you
need the footage and let me get your footage. And
I said, no, no, no, I'm done. He's like, you couldn't,

(01:44:15):
you can't be you can't possibly be done. He's like,
maybe you don't understand what the assignment was. And I said, no,
I'm finished. So we go take a look. The whole
class is looking and I had edited a music video.
I don't wanted to to a Kanye West song.

Speaker 5 (01:44:34):
I can't.

Speaker 17 (01:44:34):
I think it was the coldest winner that song he did.
The teacher looks at me. The whole class is looking
at me. The teacher pulls me aside. He said, he says,
why why are you in this class? And I said, uh,
this is at re quiet class I have to take
to re enroll. He said, well, you can say if

(01:44:55):
you want to, but you know, I don't think you
need to take this class. You pretty much got the skill,
said already. So that's when I kind of knew that
I had a natural ability for editing, film editing, audio editing.
I want you to end up getting enrolled at donay hold.

Speaker 7 (01:45:13):
That thought right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
We got to take a short break here, so hold
that thought right there. Yeah, seventeen minutes after the top
of the family you just checking in and wonder who's speaking.
That's Amadis Christ. He's if you may be familiar with
his work more than his name. Out of Darkness, that's
serious that he did back in twenty fifteen. He's going
to tell us where he got the inspiration to do that,
that movie, that film, if you want, and we're going

(01:45:36):
to talk to you more about his Ladies project as well.
As I mentioned, it's seventeen minutes off the top down.
We got to take a short break and we come
back though. You can speak to him if you want
to eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls next and
grund Rising Family facs are staying with us on this
Monday morning, and thanks for starting your week with us.
At twenty minutes after the top of that with our
guest filmmaker am A Dais Christ. You're more familiar with

(01:45:57):
his work. His work is that Out of Darkness seriously
that he did back in I think around twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, sometime around there. And he's got a new project.
We're going to talk about his latest project he's working
on now. It's called Heavy is the Crown. So you
just heard his journey to how to became a filmmaker
start off as a rapper. I did not know that
there's a lot of rapper, good rappers that come out

(01:46:19):
of the Bay Area. I think about too short. You
talked about selling the cassettes out of the back of
the cars back in the day.

Speaker 4 (01:46:24):
He was one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
And everybody knows Hammer mc hammer or just Hammer as
he's known right now, came out of the Bay Area,
San Francisco, Oakland area as well. So I'm a dais
tell us, well, I'll tell you, well, let me take
a call for you before you tell us about the
new project you're working on, because Gene wants to speaker.
He's online one grand rising junior.

Speaker 18 (01:46:43):
I'madeas christ Yeah, Graham Rosie and much success to you
of other amadeus. Yeah, go a s out of the
Oakland area. Are you believed with the with the carea
Neil that name ring a Bell. She went to NYU
and she's a filmmakers. She made the film, uh, the
Last Black Man in San Francisco.

Speaker 5 (01:47:04):
And she's yeah, yes, my niece man.

Speaker 11 (01:47:09):
And so.

Speaker 18 (01:47:11):
You know my story basically is that's how I similar
to you as my son was being born, and I
literally went blind when I was learning how to edit
uh you know, video, and but I continue to do
it to do it, uh you know, editing the audio
and you know, I edit my own podcast and mainly
because you know, the content is being stolen when you

(01:47:33):
upload it. And if you don't have you, if you're
not producing it independently and keeping that you know you,
they steal your content, you know the bottom line. So
again I'm just calling in just to chime in, uh
and wishing you must must much success. And okay, just
another my my ex wife is a Connaway and that
Spiked and uh she's part of the Connaway family in Baltimore,

(01:47:56):
and that Spike Lee's wife is also a Connaway. So
I'm connected, you know that way. I get real excited
when I hear people like you, you know, influencing uh
people in our community in a positive way.

Speaker 11 (01:48:09):
So thank you very much, sir.

Speaker 17 (01:48:12):
Appreciate it. Man reach out to me at Amadad's christ
on on Instagram. I would love to talk.

Speaker 18 (01:48:18):
To you, okay, So okay, so on Instagram, I'll keep that, okay,
because I could just press my button.

Speaker 17 (01:48:24):
I the record show.

Speaker 18 (01:48:25):
So yeah, man, good luck you keep telling your story.

Speaker 17 (01:48:27):
I love you man, peace, thank you, thank you, thank
you appreciating.

Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
So how did you get the inspiration for out of Darkness?

Speaker 17 (01:48:37):
Okay, So when I when I got into film, I'm
at Finos State. I am I had to take a
radio station class. So I'm taking a radio station class
and one of our records, well, what we would do

(01:48:57):
was we would contact all of the rappers would come
out to the Bay Area, and we would go to
their show and interviewed them. So that's how I started
interviewing people. So I would literally be on stage with
the rappers. Kendrick Lamar was one of the first ones.
We did his first headline show in Oakland. I was

(01:49:17):
on stage with him, went backstage after the show, interviewed
him and when numerous artists from the Cool Kids to
Dom Kennedy to Ninth Wonder to ab so just this
was around twenty eleven twenty twelve, probably like the last
major golden era in hip hop. So that kind of

(01:49:39):
segued for me into doing music videos. I hooked up
with a rapper called Locksmith out here in the Bay
Area who's really really good as a close close friend
of mine, so we started working together. We did about
two or three videos. Two We did more than that

(01:50:01):
over the course of the time, but one of the
videos ended up getting on Remote TV. Another video ended
up getting on MTV, so that, you know, shoot. I
shot music videos for a long time, maybe about two
or three years before I started to feel that. I
started to feel a little restricted dealing with these different

(01:50:24):
a and rs at these record labels, like telling me
to make these certain cuts or take stuff out, and
you know, I got I got kind of tired of
having my creativity curated, so to speak. So I decided
that I was going to do a film. You know,

(01:50:44):
just back to the independent Bay Area spirit. I want
to do my own things. So I decided to do
a film. I just didn't know what it was going
to be about. So I decided to do a film
on African history. I saw a video on YouTube. I
didn't know who he was at the time, but it
was doctor Claude Anderson, and I remember the title of

(01:51:07):
the video. It said black people. It was all in
all caps. Black people watched this, you are in trouble.
So I watched the video blown away. So I decided
to do a movie about how we got to where
we are now, just kind of going through a basic timeline.

Speaker 18 (01:51:28):
So the the.

Speaker 17 (01:51:30):
Original concept was just going to be about post slavery,
but then I wanted to include a section of the
film that was going to be where we were prior
to slavery. And boy did I go down a rabbit hole.
Went down a rabbit hole, got introduced to doctor John
Henry Clark, got introduced to Amos Wilson, got introduced to

(01:51:54):
doctor Ivan van Certema, got introduced to George gm James
Renoko rash Be, Anthony Browner, Professor Kabba common A, Professor
James Small. So I'm getting introduced to all of these people,
and I'm getting all of this knowledge, and I said, Okay,

(01:52:16):
this is what the film is going to be about.
It's gonna be about where we were prior to slavery,
and the slavery part is just going to be a
small portion of it. So what I did was I
didn't have a lot of money at the time. Keep
in mind, I'm a young college student, and I would
just go I made a list of everybody who I

(01:52:38):
wanted in the film, and I would just look at
their schedules and you know, Fortunately for me, the Bay
Area is a place where they would come. You know,
a lot of people come frequently. So I would just
look and see, Okay, this such and such person is
going to be here April, this person is going to
be here May, this person is going to be here June.
So I found a place called Pan African City Alive,

(01:53:01):
which was in Sunnyvale, California, not too far from San Jose,
where I was at at the time. The first person
that I met was brother Renoko Bashidi went to his lecture.
This was the first conscious lecture that I went to,
really enjoyed it. Interviewed him. The second person who came, well,

(01:53:23):
two people at the same time was Anthony Browder and
his daughter Atlantis Browder. I was blown away with Atlantis's presentation.
Interviewed her first, then I had her get her father
to do the I was nervous get her peak, but
Atlanta's got the interview with me and Tony, so you know,

(01:53:46):
I just asked Tony, let me get this, let me
get fifteen minutes, and it ended up being an hour interview.
He probably forgot about it after that, but I hit
him up about six months later and I showed him
the first draft of the chapter, the first chapter Out
of Darkness sent to to him. He ended up coming

(01:54:07):
back there maybe about eight eight or nine months later,
and he was blown away. And we've been, you know,
we've been close, close ever since then. He kind of
became my Jegna, which is like the African version of
a mentor. So Bro the Router was very welcoming, very receptive,

(01:54:32):
very supportive, always has been. So he kind of gave
he put the battery in my back, so to speak.

Speaker 11 (01:54:42):
Finished.

Speaker 17 (01:54:42):
The rest of the film ended up linking with Severe Bay.
Not too long after that. Severe Bay introduced me to
Professor James Small and Todd Tarik Bay, and the rest
was kind of kind of history. The rest was history.
So Out of Darkness came out late twenty fifteen, early
twenty sixteen, great reviews, great reviews. It premiered at the

(01:55:08):
Pan African Film Festival in La Standing Ovation sold out
of all the DVDs I had within like two minutes,
and I just knew I had something.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
That same year, the guys three minutes after the top
I found He's just for the voice you heard is
Amadas Christ. He did the series Out of Darkness you
know that series. He mentioned that now this new project
is called Heavy is the Crown that you worked in
conjunction with Tony Browner. But I understand that you went
to Chemid, Egypt with brother Tony. How did that influence

(01:55:44):
the film Heavy is the Crown.

Speaker 17 (01:55:48):
So yeah, going to Egypt Kemmid in twenty sixteen with
Tony really just blew me away. I'm still blown away. Uh,
it's it was a it was a religious, spiritual pilgrimage

(01:56:08):
for me, kind of like how Malcolm went to Egypt,
and you know, it kind of changes perspective. I think
the same thing happened to me. Uh, Out of Darkness.
I had a chapter on Kimmit in the first Out
of Darkness, but it was primarily just all animations and photos.
I didn't really I didn't go to Kimmit at the time.
I did that. So going to Kimmit, going to all

(01:56:31):
of these temples, going and see seeing the pyramids, going
to file ed Fo and Komombo and the temple at
Dendarah and Abby does. I mean I had my camera
with me obviously, so I'm just filming everything I could see, Uh,

(01:56:55):
seeing all of these religious stories, you know, the resurrect
a story of Bazar, the Asarian drama, which is in
out of darkness of the a is the crown ball
you won. Seeing all of this stuff carved on the
walls just it blew me away. And I knew I
had to tell this story and I had to show everybody.
I had to show our people what we had done.

(01:57:18):
Uh you know as early as four thousand BC. Uh,
what we had carved on.

Speaker 5 (01:57:25):
To these walls.

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
Uh old right there, Old, I thought, right there, because
you know, not everybody's been to Egypt, and you're right,
he'll blow your away when you see it. But it
was anything in particular that that you saw that you
can point out to the folk, especially the folks that
haven't done made that trip yet to Chemid, that abstual
just blew your mind. I know there's a lot of them,
and especially going with brother Tony pointing them out to you,

(01:57:48):
but anything in particular that stood out to.

Speaker 17 (01:57:50):
You the the Yeah, the temple at Dendera stood out
to me just the way it's preserved. I know that's
it's a little bit later in Egypt's history, but you know,

(01:58:10):
the temple at Dendera, it's probably the most visual to me,
it's the most visually stimulating. The crypt underneath, in particular,
if you go to the crypt, they won't show it
to you. You have to see, you have to know

(01:58:32):
about it. But it's underneath the temple, and they have
what's called the Dendara light, and it looks like a
light bulb, and there's all these reliefs of these it
looks like these lights. It looks like they had electricity
back then. I'm not an expert, but it looks like
a big light bulb and that that probably blew me

(01:58:56):
away more than anything else.

Speaker 5 (01:58:58):
To answer that question.

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
Yeah, that's interesting because there's so many things that you'll
see on the carbage in those walls, you know, especially
if you're a doctor, if you're an attorney, all these
things that you use now, some of the terminology, some
of the equipment was all made back then by our folks.
You know, our accessors were black. Did that issue ever
come up to in the production of this I'm a.

Speaker 17 (01:59:21):
Dais as far as the Egyptians being African.

Speaker 1 (01:59:27):
Yeah, because you know there's a there's a football now,
there's a trend now trying to erase that that that
that part of our history that that early Egyptians weren't black.
Did you have to deal deal with any of that?

Speaker 17 (01:59:41):
If you know? I haven't. Uh, you know, there there
is a group I'm not going to say their name,
but there is a group who kind of trolls online
and there they'll troll you, you know, but it comes
with the territory. I haven't had any issues. When I
first got into this knowledge. I I would debate people

(02:00:02):
all day and all night online and I just got
thick of doing that because if you go to Egypt
and you just look at the walls, I mean, it's
very very clear who these people were, you know. I
know a lot of the stuff that's been tampered with
probably lighted up, but the people on the walls are
very very dark. That you can tell by the hair texture,

(02:00:24):
you can tell by the symbolism, you can tell by
the met who neture, which is the hieroglyst. I mean,
it's very clear. So I just kind of gave up.
I think it's insulting to to try to say that
the ancient Egyptians weren't African, especially because Egypt is in Africa,
you know, So.

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
No, because you're coming up on a break, I gotta
ask you this question, who needs to know this information more?
The other folks are us Black people know that the
Ansian Egyptians were black, and as you mentioned now, they're
trying to make them look like they're not what the
Egypt is day. Most of Egypt, I should say, not
all of it is today that reflects what ancient Egypt
was back then? Is the move to foot to do

(02:01:07):
that because all these creations that we have, you know,
whether it be just anything you name it, it was
all created by our ancestors, black people, the ancient geesprin
we are black, and there's a move now to whitewash that.
I want to get to your thoughts. Who needs to
know this information more? Our people are the people who
are trying to whitewash ancient Egypt. You'll let you respond

(02:01:27):
when we get back from the short break. We've got
to take a quick break here the family. You too
can join this conversation with our guest, Amadeus Christ. If
you've heard of the film that he directed, the first
film Out of Darkness, and now he's doing another one
with Tony Brown, is called Heavy is the Crown. What
are your thoughts about that? Reach out to us at
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

(02:01:49):
and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising Family,
Thanks are sticking with us on this Monday morning. Thanks
are starting your week with us at nineteen minutes away
from the top there with that guests. Christ he's a filmmaker.
He did Out of Africa, Out of Darkness. I'm sorry,
there's a serious he did first and now second series.
He's doing work with Tony Bradder on this one. It's
called Heavy is the Crown. Before we go back to it, now,

(02:02:10):
let me just remind you. Coming up later this morning,
we're gonna speak with former vice presidential candidate doctor Melina Abdullah,
who was on the ticket with Cornell weston the last
presidential elections. She's gonna hear we're gonna talk politics with her,
also talk about the fact that Justice upon investigating the
Roague group Black Lives Matter. You know, they stole the
idea and called it black Lives Matter, so she had
to change her group's name to Black Lives Matter grass Roots.

(02:02:33):
We're gonna talk to her about that. Also, later this week,
you're gonna hear from author and clinician doctor Jeromy Fox.
You know him from his book Addicted to Why the
Oppressed in Legal the Oppressed a shame based their lives. Also,
attorney and Kischie Taifa will be here. So if you
are in Baltimore, make sure your radio's locked and tied
on ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV family,
we're rolling on fourteen fifty WL. All right, I'm medeis

(02:02:55):
the reason why I asked that question because you know,
they say that Egypt is the cradle of civilization, and
what he's doing that those of you have never been
to Egypt, make sure he can at least once in
your life go to Egypt. On the walls of these temples,
for example, if you're an attorney, you'll see the scales that
it's used right now, the Hippocratic oath the doctor state
was written there. You see some instruments the doctors used.

(02:03:16):
They always that there was Our ancestors were using this,
using these products before, you know, before they became right
now and all of that, you know, people say it
was stolen, that was from our ancestors, because now they're
trying to make our ancestors were white, or they were
Egyptian or what do you call it? Sort of Asian

(02:03:37):
looking at but they weren't black there, even though Egypt
is in Africa. So my question to Amadas before we
left for the break was who needs to know this
information more, Our people to know that our ancestors created
all this created civilization, or the other folks because they
don't think we're worth even getting a slice of bread.

Speaker 4 (02:03:54):
Your thoughts, your reaction.

Speaker 17 (02:03:58):
Carl, I think, to answer your question directly, it is
our people who need to know. Ironically, I believe that
everybody else knows the truth. But if that makes sense,
these people have invested a lot to keep us in

(02:04:22):
the darkness. Hence out of darkness. They have taken all
of our science, our African sacred science, and kind of
used it against us. You know, Doctor Clark used to say,
if you look at a people and you see the
strongest thing about them, you look on the flip side

(02:04:43):
and you can see the weakest thing about them. The
strongest thing about African people is that we are very
spiritual people. We are very spiritually inclined, and we are
highly susceptible to religion and spiritual beliefs. On the flip

(02:05:04):
side of that, you know, when you when you think
about religion and spirituality, you think about morality and having
good morals, which is true. But on the flip side
of that, the weak the weakness is that that religion
gets used against us and it traps us. Unfortunately, we

(02:05:25):
have adopted foreigners perceptions, foreigners religious beliefs. If you look
at Africa, you know the northern half of Africa is
Islam and the southern half of Africa is Christianity. We've

(02:05:47):
lost our original African sacred science. We've lost that, and
that is the reason why I'm doing this film Heavy
as the Crown, which which is split into two volumes.
The first volume came out in twenty twenty two. The
second volume comes out this week, actually the eleventh, which

(02:06:09):
you can pre order now at Out of darknessfilm dot com.
But we've lost it, and we've adopted somebody else's story,
and you know it was you know, in North America,
we're primarily I would say Christian, Most of us are Christian,

(02:06:29):
and that religion was kind of forced on us through
the process of enslavement. Not to say that Christianity is
absolutely and totally wrong. What I am saying is that Christianity,
the modern day the way we know it was given

(02:06:50):
to us by the European because they took the critical
elements of what we had created back in ancient Egypt
and ancient in it and they kind of used it
as a political tool. So they took the core, the
key elements and added stuff to it and gave it
to us with the image of a white God, a

(02:07:14):
white savior and their image and that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:19):
Hold that that begs the question, and people always ask
this question thirteen away from the top of if we
were so smart, how did we how do we let
them overcome us? Because you know, even mathematics family, all
the numbers creatby eye people. You know whether at the
heart people do their horoscope the creator eye people, all
of this is near, the twelve inches is afoot, thirty

(02:07:41):
days in a certain month. All of these things were
created by ancient Egyptians African people. So you're saying that
our spirituality is part of our makeup, especially our ancient
brothers and sisters. Was the spirituality was was? How do
you see that? Is that is that? Would you consider
that a weakness? Because we're so given?

Speaker 17 (02:08:04):
Well, you got to understand, just like any empire, empires
rise and they fall. We are very very old people.
Our history goes back over three hundred thousand years BC.
So I remember brother Renoko Rashidi said this, and a

(02:08:25):
couple of people have said this. But you know, we
just we got old and we started to go into decline,
which is a natural thing. What actually happened on the ground, though,
is we were we were essentially if you look at
the history of Egypt, it went through a series of invasions. Okay,

(02:08:48):
A good book to pick up is The Destruction of
Black Civilization by doctor Chancellor Williams, and he outlines this.
We went through a series of invasions ever since the
founding of Egypt. The Hixos, the Assyrian, the Greeks, the Romans,

(02:09:13):
and the Arabs were the last ones to really conquer Egypt.
Africa as a whole was attacked. You know. Bring it
to the slave trade. We were attacked on two sides.
We were attacked by Europe and we were attacked through
the Middle East by the Arab invasion. And if a

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lot of people know about the Transatlantic slave trade, but
very few people know about the Arab slave trade, which
is still technically still going on. But it's just you know,
if I'm walking down the street and I get attacked
by multiple people. As strong as a fighter, I may be,

(02:09:57):
it would be very difficult for me to keep to
fend off a large group of people by myself, especially
if I'm being attacked on all sides. So that's essentially
what happened to African people. We've been attacked. People have
been invading Africa for our resources for a very long time,

(02:10:17):
still are and the unfortunately we succumb to it. In
my belief, I think a large portion of that, or
a large reason wise because we lost art. Like I said,
we lost our African sacred science. We kind of gave
that up. We started adopting other people's religion, particularly with Islam.

(02:10:43):
I don't have anything against Islam as a religion, but
the way it was used in particularly North Africa, it
was used as as a conquering mechanism and.

Speaker 4 (02:10:55):
Got some folks.

Speaker 1 (02:10:56):
You want to talk to you the clock right now,
it's ten minutes away from the top at first. One
up is marking Baltimore is online. One Grand Rise in Markey,
One wrong with Ama Damas.

Speaker 19 (02:11:08):
Hello, Yes you're on the air. Hello, Yes, Mark You're
on the air. Hello, all right, let's move on, Kevin, Let's.

Speaker 1 (02:11:18):
Go to line too. Phillips in d C. Philip grand Rising, Hey.

Speaker 6 (02:11:23):
Grand Rising, brothers out.

Speaker 4 (02:11:29):
Have we lost Philip? Hello, Yes you're on the air, Philip.

Speaker 6 (02:11:36):
Yes, sir, So yeah, yeah, man, I'm gonna be well.
Thank you guys for the work. I just wanted to
make a comment on what you were saying about being
surrounded by enemies and being a fighter. I believe you
know that that a lot of you know, the the
you know, the African civilizations were overdrawn. It was just treachery, man.

(02:12:01):
I mean, you know, the enemy saw saw the weaknesses,
and they exploited them and uh and just just just
went to town, went to town on us. So that's
nothing to be ashamed of. You know, every every every
group had you know, people had weaknesses and stuff. But
but I think that's what's.

Speaker 1 (02:12:18):
That in our spirituality? What's that weakness in our spirituality?
What's the weakness.

Speaker 6 (02:12:24):
Part of I think when he when he was saying
like the sacred science, I think I think, yeah, we
started to adopt a lot of spiritual spiritual practices that
divided us and caused us to fight against each other
even more and become even weaker, you know what I'm saying.
So you know, yeah, yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. But what
you're saying about that.

Speaker 1 (02:12:45):
Thank you for your comment. Ama Dan said just the
spiritual that was part of our weakness. And do you
see the same point.

Speaker 17 (02:12:55):
I agree. I think that's still happening happening today. You know,
dividing conquer has been the strategy, right, dividing conquer uh
Africa is very could be very tribal. People are, you know,

(02:13:15):
divided in naturally by tribes. So it was very easy
for Europeans and Arabs to kind of come in and
we did the same thing. The Moors did the same
thing in Spain. When the Moors went into Spain in
seven eleven, they they conquered a large portion of Spain
and they just went from town to town to town.

(02:13:38):
Because Spain wasn't very wasn't united as a nation at
the time. It was ruled by the busy goods. And
the Berbers went in there and overthrew the busy goods.
But they just went from town to town conquering, and
they conquered all up all the way up to the
Pyrenees Mountains. It wasn't until stained with the kingdoms of uh,

(02:14:04):
you know, Isabelle and Ferdinand, and they combined their kingdoms
together and under the banner of Christianity, under the under
a united banner. And it wasn't then until they were
able to repel the Moors and push back. So uh,
you know, it's real easy to conquer people when they're

(02:14:25):
already divided. And yeah, I totally agree Europeans and the
Arabs came in and exploited, exploited that. So yeah, that's
that is a very good point, all right away.

Speaker 1 (02:14:36):
For the top, Let's try and mark again. I think
it was getting out of his car when we went
to Tim's online one Grand Rise and marketing on with
Amadeus Grand Rising.

Speaker 8 (02:14:45):
God, sorry, Carl, that was my fault. But when I
was listening on the way home and when I you know,
I heard the brother you know say, you know, Christianity,
you know, the flip side of his weakness and stuff
like that, I don't. I don't agree with that at all,
because you know, I'm a Christian and back in the
day in Slavery Town, we didn't have no choice, you know,

(02:15:08):
but to you know, to listen to the propaganda and
all that kind of stuff that they perpetrated us on
us now.

Speaker 5 (02:15:15):
But like Malcolin said when.

Speaker 8 (02:15:16):
He came back from Mecca, he said, there can be
no black white, you know, togetherness until there's black togetherness.
And like Francis pres Welby said, I believe that's our
biggest problem is us. You know, we gotta do better
towards each other to forgiveness. We don't forgive each other

(02:15:39):
at all, you know. So, so what do you think
about that? You know, I'm a Christian and it ain't
nothing weak about me or none of the men that
I noticed.

Speaker 17 (02:15:49):
Let me say this, I'm a Christian too. I was
raising the Baptist Church. My father is a deacon. My
whole family, my whole family were ministers in Red d So, Uh,
here's the issue that I have with Christianity. I don't
have an issue with the with the with the principles
of Christianity, because Christianity, uh is about good moral character,

(02:16:16):
just like are if you study the laws of my eyes,
it's about good moral character. My issue with Christianity is
the imagery that it comes with the imagery of the
white God, the imagery of the white Jesus. And you
could you could try to blacken it up. You can
try to blacken up Jesus if you want to. And

(02:16:38):
we all know that the historical Jesus would have been black.
But in the subconscious mind and the subconscious mind if
you are a Christian, just like you, if you look
at the pictures on your grandmother's and your great grandmother's
of Wall, they all have the image of white Jesus.
They did not have the image of the black. They

(02:16:58):
had the image of the white. And with that death
the subconscious mind of the African and it tells them
that God is white, Jesus is white. So therefore, if
God is white and Jesus is white, then I'm blind
and I must be outside of the grace of God.
I must must be something wrong with me. Why was

(02:17:20):
I born with this black skin? It's God white and
Jesus's white.

Speaker 5 (02:17:33):
Marks.

Speaker 1 (02:17:33):
Well, got to step aside, Kevin just holding down for
us eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six. Family, we're speaking with filmmaker Amade's christ as
I messure. Weve got to step aside so our stations
can identify themselves down the line and we'll take your
phone calls next and grind Rising family, thanks for starting
your week with us. A minute after the top there,

(02:17:54):
I'm mom and Tale. We're going to speak with former
vice presidential candidate doctor Melina Abdullah. So pondrash to the
folks who all late, and because this is not really
about discussion about Christianity, it's about Amid. It's his latest book,
the latest book, latest film, Heavy is the Crown inspired way.
He's talks with Tony Browner about you know, our history
of ancient history if you will, so let's I'm just

(02:18:14):
gonna take one call. That was the one brother Sau
would call us at the top of the list from Baltimore.
I sound like too, so brother Saint Coup. You're on
with Amadeus Christ.

Speaker 15 (02:18:24):
Hello, how you doing?

Speaker 5 (02:18:27):
I can you?

Speaker 15 (02:18:28):
Can you hear? Can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (02:18:32):
Yes? We can? I'm dads, can you hear him? Please?

Speaker 5 (02:18:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:18:37):
How much were going on now?

Speaker 3 (02:18:39):
Is a favorite?

Speaker 1 (02:18:40):
When they asked the question, you've got to repeat it.
You got to respond quite right away. I have time
to think in radio because it's a dead air and
people don't think you're there.

Speaker 4 (02:18:47):
So please do us that favorite next time you come on.

Speaker 15 (02:18:50):
Go ahead, listen, Doctor John Henry Clark says, he asked
a question, what has Islam done for Africa besides stagnetic
Reverend wil Q.

Speaker 16 (02:19:02):
Walker.

Speaker 15 (02:19:03):
He said, Christianity was used to make the slaves submissive.
So tell me where in the world at any important
time as Christian or Islam's and beneficial to us as
a people.

Speaker 4 (02:19:15):
All right, go ahead, I'm a dasher.

Speaker 17 (02:19:20):
How was it beneficial.

Speaker 7 (02:19:25):
It?

Speaker 17 (02:19:26):
You know, Christianity contains a lot of the original African
spiritual practices that we did, so that's what I would say.
It does teach good moral character, so is Islam, but
it comes with a lot of other stuff. Like I
was saying before, the imagery of the packaging of it

(02:19:48):
has been detrimental to us, But at its core, I
don't see anything wrong with it per se. Another issue
that I kind of take issues. Another thing that I
kind of take issue with is that in the story
the Christianity, the Christian story, the Egyptians are painted as enflavors.

(02:20:09):
They're painted as bad people, you know, Pharaoh and all
of this stuff. I disagree with that. I don't think
that at any point in time Africans, the ancient Egyptians
were practicing slavery. Yeah. Uh, they did take captives. They
did take captives, but these captives were essentially prisoners of

(02:20:31):
war because people were invading, right, you have people invading,
constantly invading, so you do see that when you go
to the walls. But slavery as a as a concept,
as a practice was anti my eye. The job of
the of the the nasuit, the ti, the pharaoh, pharaoh

(02:20:52):
is a is an Arab word, the new suit betia.
His job was to restore balance and restore order and
restore my eye. So that's my answer to that question. Uh,
I wholly, wholeheartedly disagree that the ancient Egyptians were practitioners

(02:21:12):
of slavery. So uh, that's That's the second major issue
that I have is that our people were the enemies
in the story of Christianity, and that's wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:21:25):
Yeah, we went down a rabbit hole there which I
didn't want to go, and we talked about the film
that you did with Tony Browner, Heavy is the Crown.
How can folks see this film? How can because you
now you're broken up in two parts, and first else
why you broke it up in two parts?

Speaker 5 (02:21:43):
Uh?

Speaker 17 (02:21:43):
It was just too much. It's just too you know,
you're talking about four thousand years of history that you're
trying to condense into a film. It's just too much information.
It's too dense, So I had to break it up
in two parts. The major inspiration why it broke into
two parts was I was studying the Shabacca Stone. I
don't know if anybody knows the Shabakka Stone, but the

(02:22:06):
Shabakka Stone is one of the most well preserved documents
of our history. It is broken into two parts, much
like the Bible. I don't know if they got that
from the Shabacca Stone, but the first part of the
Shabakka Stone reads like a play, and the second part

(02:22:27):
is more of a discourse. So the first volume of
Heavy As the Crown is the same thing. It's the
drama part. You know, you have the Assarian drama in there,
the story of Asara set in herou Asar being killed
by his wicked brother and then being resurrected and brought
back life and avenged by his son. And then you

(02:22:48):
also there's a chapter in volume one dealing with the
judgment scene, which is where most of the foundation core
concepts of Christianity come out of the weighing of the
heart on the scale. I think you mentioned that earlier,
Carl and the heart of the deceased being judged before Ausar,

(02:23:10):
and then if he's found worthy and found true a voice,
he gets to go to the afterlife. So that's the drama.
Volume two deals with more of the discourse. It deals
with the creation stories, it has the It deals with
the feminine principle, the Madonna and child, and it goes
into there's a whole chapter on restoration. How do we

(02:23:34):
get our original African sacred science back and how to return.

Speaker 5 (02:23:38):
Back to that.

Speaker 17 (02:23:39):
So it's incredibly dens I have to watch it more
than once, probably a few times to kind of get
everything in it. People tell me that every time they
watch it they see something new.

Speaker 1 (02:23:51):
Right, So where can we folks see those films? Both
of them?

Speaker 17 (02:23:56):
Yeah, they could see Out of Darkness On to the Amazon.
It's on pretty much every major streaming platform. Volume one
right now is on Amazon. It was on two B.
It will be returning back to two BE pretty soon.
We just signed the global distribution bill, so it'll be

(02:24:16):
on Vimeo on Tuesday. It should be on Amazon. I'm
talking about Volume two. It should be on Amazon at
some time during the week. If not within the next
two weeks. Out of darknessfilm dot Com is where they
can actually purchase the film directly from me. They can
purchase both all three DVDs, and I also have a

(02:24:36):
photo book of all original photos that's got over three
hundred and sixty four K high definition photos, so they
can purchase the photo book as well. So that is
Out of darknessfilm dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:24:50):
All right, thank you, Amadeas, Thank you for doing this.
I'm bringing this forward so folks who have not been
to Egypt have not seen the writings on the walls
of the temples, that can actually you know, travel with
you vicariously like you did with brother Tony Browner did
I did with the doctor Ronoka Rashidi and see what
our ancestors did. How they That's why they call easy

(02:25:11):
of the cratle of civilization. So I want to thank
you for doing that so folks can see that. And again,
how can they see that both of those or what's
what's the website address?

Speaker 4 (02:25:18):
Real quick?

Speaker 17 (02:25:20):
Out of darknessfilm dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:25:25):
Gotcha, Thank you, Amadeus, and thank you for all the
work you do as well.

Speaker 17 (02:25:30):
Thank you much appreciate it. Thank you for having me all.

Speaker 1 (02:25:32):
Right, family, turn our attention out to our next guest,
who has to be former vice presidential candid doctor Malina Abdullah,
doctor Melina grand Rising. Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 20 (02:25:42):
Ram Rising, Thanks so much for having me, brother Carl.

Speaker 4 (02:25:46):
First off, I.

Speaker 1 (02:25:46):
Got you know, family, there are two black Lives Matter,
So let me just tell you first before we get
into this conversation here. This Black Lives Matter, that's the
one that most of you know about the But the
real Black Lives Matter we should be concerned with is
Black Life Matter grassroots. This is wonderful by doctor Melina Abdulla.
And until she came on this program and told us
the other folks have ripped off her concept and they

(02:26:09):
were getting all kinds of funds for doing it in
the millions and millions, and her group was suffering because
this folks had stolen their identity. Now we find out
that the Justice upontment's investigating them. Your thoughts about that,
doctor Melina.

Speaker 20 (02:26:24):
Yeah, So there's a Justice Department investigation, a criminal investigation
into the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation.

Speaker 9 (02:26:34):
Which is the organization.

Speaker 20 (02:26:37):
It's really not even an organization, it's a I don't
know what kind of shop it is. But it's run
by three consultants who stole the money, the platforms, and
the good name of Black Lives Matter. After all that
money came pouring in in twenty twenty, and I just

(02:26:57):
shared it with you an article, brother Carl. What just
came out is the chief thief, the person who masterminded
the whole theft, was just removed from their board. So
what we have to say about it is one, you know,
we want to be clear that BLM grass Roots is

(02:27:19):
not the Global Network Foundation. I'm glad not like us
is back out. They are not like us. Right where
the boots on the grounds. Fifty two chapters all around
the world, including we just came back from Lubbock, Texas,
where we're fighting in the name of Erskine Jenkins, a
young boy who was killed as he was in at

(02:27:42):
an off campus party at Texas Tech. That's the kind
of work that Black Lives Matter grass Roots does. BLM
Global Network Foundation pockets money and lines their own pockets.
Right but two, even though in a sense validates the
fact that we've been saying, you know, please give us

(02:28:04):
our money back, give us our money back, give us
our resources back. And we filed a lawsuit in twenty
twenty two, which was blocked from even making it into court.
We know that in a sense, it validates that, but
we also know that because it's a Trump regime investigation,
and because we are abolitionists and are not relying on

(02:28:27):
police or any part of the criminal system of injustice
to do the work that needs to be done, we're
not going to.

Speaker 9 (02:28:36):
Delight in their demise, or at least not in the
criminal part of their demise.

Speaker 20 (02:28:43):
And three, we think that this opens up a way
for them to do what's right and give us our
resources back, give us our money back, give us our
platforms back, give us our good name back, so we
can do the really, really important work that's more important
now than ever of fighting for the liberation of black people.

Speaker 1 (02:29:04):
Twelve if that top our family with doctor Miliana Abdullas,
she's a former vice preasure of candidate, that's the founder
of Black Lives Matter, and now the other her group
was hijacked and so she created Black Lives Matter Grassroots.
The justice upon investigation, do you know if one if
they're going to call any of the guys, you know,
for discussions about what went on and too, could they
force the rogue Black Lives Matter Global and GNF if

(02:29:28):
you will, can they force them to pay the money
or give you your.

Speaker 4 (02:29:31):
Group the money.

Speaker 20 (02:29:34):
Well, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know what's possible.
I do know that, you know, just in kind of
my very novice review of things, that they could absolutely
seize assets, and I believe they can redistribute assets. I'm
not sure how that works, but that's my hope and

(02:29:54):
that's my prayer. And if assets have not been frozen,
then again we appeal to the Global Network Foundation to
turn those resources over to where they rightfully belong, which
is with the movement with Black Lives Matter grassroots, so
that we can fund the work that's really really important
to us and to black people.

Speaker 1 (02:30:16):
Do you think this change of leadership will mitigate what
they've done? Will the justice Obama? Looking this is okay,
the leadership has changed, So we'll just close this investigation.
And how do you think that's going to work out?

Speaker 9 (02:30:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 20 (02:30:32):
Again, I'm not a lawyer, so I want to keep
saying that I don't want people to think that I
know what I'm talking about. Legally, I can only talk
about what I know for sure in terms of movement
and then what I feel is a human being and
what's right, and what I feel is a fighter for
black people. I don't know if it'll make the Justice

(02:30:56):
Department say, okay, now the investigation is over where I
think that the three chairs or three board members are
all at faults. Right, So their names are Shalomia Bowers,
that's the one who's out, and he was double dipping,
so he was not only on the board, and we're
pretty sure being paid as a board member. They're all

(02:31:20):
paid somehow as board members because their lives have completely changed. Right,
So I know one of them, I've seen another of them,
and I've seen what Shlomia Bowers has been doing and
posting on social media. They live lives of absolute luxury.
They take vacations in places like Israel, they take summers

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in Martha's Vineyard. They've all transformed the way they look.
They have stylists, they wear a cauture. Many of them
have had or there's three of them. They've had criminal
criminal they've had plastic surgery and you know, beauty procedures,
and so they're living these luxurious lives. I can't say though,

(02:32:08):
that they're all using the money that comes from the
spilled blood of Erskine Jenkins, of Mike Brown, of Wakisha Wilson,
and they're all using that to live high on the hog.
So Shalomia Bowers is out, and he's absolutely the chief thief,
the mastermind of it all. He was for a moment
the only board member, and then he brought on a

(02:32:31):
woman named Cecily Gay who's out of Atlanta, and she
was named quickly named board chair. I believe he was
hiding behind her skirt because it looks it doesn't look
as good for a man to be fighting a woman
in the way that they were viciously fighting us. And

(02:32:51):
so Cecily Gay is still there along with Djona Parker.
And I can say I know, I do know who
Djona Parker is, who was a sometimes member.

Speaker 9 (02:33:03):
In fact, she was.

Speaker 20 (02:33:03):
A student at cal statea Lay and she was assigned
to actually volunteer with Black Lives Matter Los Angeles when
she was a student. And she was a very, you know,
low level person, meaning that she wasn't even you know, skilled.
She didn't leave the team or anything like that. But

(02:33:26):
none of these people have any background in leadership around
Black Lives Matter or movement, nor they steeped in what
black liberation work looks like. So I believe they're all guilty,
and I believe that guilt though also can be redeemed
if they do what's right.

Speaker 9 (02:33:45):
So Vjon A.

Speaker 20 (02:33:47):
Parker and Cecily Gay again have an opportunity to do
what's right in hand over the resources to BLM Grassroots.

Speaker 1 (02:33:54):
All right, old, that's all right there. I've got a
supiside for a few months and we'll come back. Let's talk
some politics. Family, you want to join this discus showing
with our guests that doctor Malina Abdullah reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six and will take your phone calls. Next and
Grant Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this
Monday morning, finks for starting your week with us. At
twenty one minutes after the top, they are our guest,
doctor Malina Abdullah. Some of you may recall she was

(02:34:16):
a former vice presidential candidate in the last the presidential election.
She ran on the ticket with Cornell West and she's
also the founder of Black Lives Matter Grassroots and the
Black Lives Matter the other group that stole her group's
identity and is now under investigation by the Justice Department.
Before we talk politicians, your question, my question to you,
doctor Abdullah, do you think this will impact fundraising for you?

(02:34:40):
When people hear the Black Lives Matters on investigation for
stealing by the Justice Department, they're going to hold back funds,
just like how people did not know there were two
Black Lives Matter? Do you think this will impact your fundraising?

Speaker 20 (02:34:52):
Well, our fundraising is very, very minimal. Our prayer is
that the people who are donating to us, and we're
pretty sure that the people who are donating to us
know the difference between BLK Lives Matter, which if your
listeners are following, they should immediately unfollow, and VLM Grassroots,

(02:35:13):
which is our organization, and we hope that people follow
VLM Grassroots. In order to donate to BLM Grassroots, you
have to now at this point deliberately figure out who
we are. So we don't think that it'll impact our fundraising.
We hope, in fact, it'll increase our ability to fundraise.
All of our money. We don't have any money that

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comes from major grants, We don't have money that comes
from big, deep pocket donors. Mackenzie Scott hasn't figured out
who we are yet and donated to us. So all
of our money comes from boots on the ground organizers,
comes from regular people, comes from mothers and grandmothers like

(02:35:56):
my mama's and aunties who have their prayer circle for
us every Wednesday. So that's who donates to us, and
they tend to know the really righteous work that we're doing.
The fundraising effort that we're engaged in right now is
to fundraise for hurricane recovery in Jamaica, where we spent.

Speaker 9 (02:36:16):
Time in a place called a Compunk Town.

Speaker 20 (02:36:18):
Which is the Maroon Society built by Queen Nanny of
the Maroons, and so that was completely destroyed by Hurricane Melissa.
And we're working with the residents, with the Maroons, with
the righteous black folks who took their own freedom back
in the seventeen hundreds to rebuild a place that's so

(02:36:39):
important both spiritually and as an example of what it
means to have black.

Speaker 9 (02:36:44):
Sovereign space for black people.

Speaker 20 (02:36:47):
And so when people donate, that's where the money goes and.

Speaker 9 (02:36:50):
They can see it. They can see.

Speaker 20 (02:36:52):
When they donate that we go to Lubbock and challenge
DA that has refused to prosecute a sheriff that killed
a young black boy. They can see it when they
watch our Mississippi work and the exposure of the goon
squad there. They can see it in California when we
do work in the name of Wakisha Wilson, where we
just passed the first law in the entire state of

(02:37:16):
California named in honor of a black woman, which requires
twenty four hour family notification when someone is killed inside
a detention center or jail. So our donors are really
tapped into who we are, and their donations are usually
between one and ten dollars a piece. So we got
some recurring donations of one dollar a month, and we're

(02:37:39):
grateful to those donors because again there are people who
are tapped into the work and believe in the righteous
work that we do.

Speaker 1 (02:37:47):
Got it twenty five at the top that with doctor
Malina Abdula, Doctor Malina, So, were you surprised the Donecrafts
caved in this fight, this stalemate?

Speaker 9 (02:38:00):
Was I surprise that who caved in?

Speaker 1 (02:38:02):
The Democrats? The Democratic senators?

Speaker 9 (02:38:07):
Oh you mean in the you know, I missed it, Carl.
I didn't realize, did they cave in.

Speaker 4 (02:38:13):
Of them.

Speaker 20 (02:38:15):
Oh that's terrible. No, I'm not surprised. So you're breaking
the news to me because it's six am here here
and on the West Coast. So no, I'm not surprised.
I'm disappointed, which mean because that means they sold out
our health care. So I'm disappointed. I wanted to see

(02:38:35):
them stand strong. They should have forced the absolute devil
in office to caven. And I'm not saying that the
Democrats are righteous. You know where I am. I'm neither
a Democrat or a Republican. I believe both of the
parties are corporate owned. And I think that this further
tells how much a hand corporations have in it, because

(02:39:00):
you're looking at you know, when you talk about impacts
on flights, when you talk about companies like American Airlines
having to provide refunds to people and losing profit that
I think that that has a lot to do with
the caving.

Speaker 1 (02:39:17):
How much did I'm trying to get your thoughts. Let
me put it this way. Last Tuesday's the elections where
the Democrats seem to come out on top. It seems
to have found the stride. And now this morning or
late last night they cave in on the budget issue.
You know, how much how much do you think that
they should have taken that experience, that lift if you will.

(02:39:38):
It seems like this is what they were looking for
last Tuesday's election and still a stand up and not
cave into to the Republicans on this bill.

Speaker 4 (02:39:46):
On the budget bill.

Speaker 20 (02:39:49):
Yeah, I mean, I think that mainstream Democrats and I'm
saying mainstream Democrats because you have a few exceptions. You have,
you know, your Corey Bush's who's running for re election
even though she.

Speaker 9 (02:40:03):
Was primaried out of her seat in Saint Louis.

Speaker 20 (02:40:07):
You do have a momentum that's building around progressive and
I think that's what Mamdanie in New York represents. Even
here on the West Coast with the passage overwhelming landslide.

Speaker 9 (02:40:17):
Victory of Prop fifty, I think it's an.

Speaker 20 (02:40:20):
Indicator that voters and residents of this country want to
be progressive, we want to be more transformational in our approach. Unfortunately,
you know, many Democrats are mainstream politicians who simply want
to get.

Speaker 9 (02:40:40):
Elected and re elected, and.

Speaker 20 (02:40:43):
I think that if they continue to cave and that's
really disappointing to hear that they caved with this government
shut down, that they are proving that they are again
owned by corporate capitalist interests.

Speaker 9 (02:41:00):
Betraying the people.

Speaker 20 (02:41:01):
Now, I know they'll hide behind the fact that, you know,
people are not receiving SNAP benefits or not their full
SNAP benefits. I know that they'll hide behind the fact
that TSA workers are working for free, and those are
real harms and pains. However, you don't throw in the

(02:41:23):
entire war. As people are saying to you, they're ready
for the battle. People have been saying that's what Tuesday's
election results are. People are ready for the battle. New
Yorkers are ready for the battle. Californians are ready for
the battle. And they were gearing up and they were engaging.
And if you look at things like the way that

(02:41:43):
Mutual Aid has been moving in cities all across this country.
Last night we had our Black Lives Matter Los Angeles
meeting where we gave out hundreds of fresh produce bags,
and we know we put together a list of places
where people can though, and people have been willing to
fill the gap so that we can have the longer

(02:42:06):
war and win something that's substantial for our people. And
so it's disappointing to hear that Democrats are more concerned
with their seats than fighting for what the people really need,
including things like healthcare, health care for all.

Speaker 1 (02:42:24):
Thirty minutes at the top of our family, I guess
it's doctor Melina abdullas them. As you may recall the
last presidential elections years the vice presidential candidate along with
Cornell west Running and some of the things that they exposed.
We're now seeing that Mandonnie's talking about the same thing.
So we surprised that he attracted he got some sort
of momentum going for the Democrats by espousing what you

(02:42:46):
guys were saying on the presidential race, and he did
that in New York City and people got behind him.
Were you surprised about that?

Speaker 9 (02:42:55):
I am so encouraged. I'm so encouraged.

Speaker 20 (02:42:59):
And there's a lot of data that's coming out that
again validates some positions right that Mam Donnie.

Speaker 9 (02:43:06):
You know his platform.

Speaker 20 (02:43:07):
Now, people are less likely to attach themselves to the
kind of socialist ideology in name, but when you talk
about the policies, people are overwhelmingly in support of it.

Speaker 9 (02:43:22):
So I have seen some national.

Speaker 20 (02:43:26):
Research on some of Mamdanni's platforms that over eighty percent
of Americans are in supportive higher wages for working class people,
the thirty dollars an hour minimum wage that Mamdani is
working on. People believe in free transportation right, and they

(02:43:46):
should because it's logical. I know here in Los Angeles,
if they just did away with Metro police, which are
there to enforce fares, they could have free fares. If
they'd stop spending on the police that harm people and
kill people on train platforms, which is what we've had
happened several times in LA, they could actually make they're

(02:44:10):
chasing people for fair evasion, they could actually make fares
free in the first place, and people want that. I'm
encouraged by the fact that people say, yeah, childcare should
be free. I remember when my children were little, it
was a higher expense. I had three children in childcare
all at the same time. The expense for childcare was

(02:44:30):
more than my mortgage payment. And so people believe in
childcare for all, free childcare. And so when you think
about the platforms that are really socialists, even though people
avoid that label socialist ideology, even if it's democratic socialism
where they've been so brainwashed that they think that they

(02:44:52):
can't say it, but they do believe in those policies.
That part is not a surprise. We know what the
people believe. People believe that people should have a safe
place to live, they should have food, they should have
health care, they should have the things that meet the
basic needs of our folks. And it's encouraging to see
that meet out with the New York victory of Zoramandani.

(02:45:15):
And what else is a private And Carl, I don't know,
did you see the exit polling on the Jewish vote,
Because what they tried to do is tell us that
Jews will never vote for this. He's a Muslim and
Jews will never vote for him. But Jews under fifty
overwhelmingly voted for Mamdani, and Jews overall voted in large

(02:45:40):
numbers for Mamdani, not in the majority. So it also
is not true that when they try to collapse Judaism
and Zionism, those two things are not the same. And
most younger Jews actually do believe in a free Palestine
and the end to financing a genocidal state of Israel.

Speaker 4 (02:46:02):
Well, let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (02:46:03):
Yeah, I did see that, and to a broad extent,
the Hispanics supported the gubatal races in New Jersey and Virginia.
But the question, though, back to Mandannie. The question people ask,
who's going to pay for it?

Speaker 4 (02:46:15):
You want?

Speaker 1 (02:46:15):
You want all this free stuffy, all the pie is
only big, So who's going to pay for it?

Speaker 20 (02:46:21):
Your response, well, you can start by making Wall Street
pay their fear share in taxes. You can start by
making the rich pay their fear share in taxes. How
did Elon Musk, simultaneous to people's snap benefits getting cut,
become the world's first trillionaire. You know, Tesla is one

(02:46:44):
of the greatest recipients of corporate welfare.

Speaker 9 (02:46:48):
And so you can stop doing these giveaways and.

Speaker 20 (02:46:51):
Start making corporations and rich people pay their fair share
of taxes. And I know it's not popular to say anymore,
but I still believe it that you can also defund
the police. There's no reason in major cities, including New
York and Los Angeles and DC, that police are getting
half of our general funds when you can be using

(02:47:12):
those funds to pay for universal childcare. So it's not
actually and there is a plan, it's not actually hard
to finance these things. And when you talk about things
like quality after school programs for young people. When you
talk about free transportation, you're actually saving money in the

(02:47:33):
long run, because if you're arresting people for jumping turnstiles
in the subway, there's a whole cost that goes with that,
not just for the arrest, but the entire triggering of
the criminal legal system, which then spends your taxpayer dollars
to lock people up for not having enough money to

(02:47:55):
pay for what should be public transportation. So there's actually
money to be saved by shifting money into those things
like free childcare, like quality food, and like free transportation.

Speaker 1 (02:48:09):
Got it twenty five away from the top. Bob's in
Buffalo has a question for you. He's on line three
Grand Rise and Bobby question for doctor Malina Abdullah.

Speaker 7 (02:48:18):
Yeah, blessed Love. First, I want to thank her for
a little good work that you do, and especially shut
Off and sister carry o'horn, who represents you well here.
But my question is I want us in my comment,
I want us to send a hedge of protection around
you and your organization. You do a very good job
explaining the difference on this radio station, and it's enlightened

(02:48:41):
many of us. But the Justice Department, which is Trump's
Justice Department, speaks Fox doesn't speak plain English. And when
they've turned a term like progressive into a negative term,
how do you protect yourself from being misidentified with the cooks? Well,

(02:49:04):
do you think they're actually going active cooks or are
part of the cooks who set up the extortion of
Black Lives Matter in the first place. Is a way
to do your positive work and positive energy too.

Speaker 1 (02:49:17):
I hold your response, doctor Milim. We gotta step aside
for a few moments. I'll let you respond to it
when we get back. Family YouTube can join this conversation
with our guest, doctor Milina Abdullah. She, of course, she
was a vice presidential candidate running with the Corner of the
West in the last election of talking puntics, also talking
about Black Lives Matter. She represents Blacks Lives Matter Grassroots,
two different organizations, and I'm glad she was here to

(02:49:38):
clarify that because many people think they're the same. But
I'll let her respond to Bob in Buffalo's question when
we get back eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six, you two couldn't reach a doctor
Milina Abdilla just call that number and we take the
calls next and grant rising family eighteen minutes away from
the top of that with I guess of doctor Malina
Abdulla from Black Lives Matter Grassroots in Los Angeles talking

(02:50:00):
politics and also talking about Black Lives Matter. So the
last before we left for the breakfast, speaking with Bob,
I'm buffalo, and then he had a question for you.
So Doctor Many, I'll let you respond to Bob's question.

Speaker 20 (02:50:10):
So, first of all, I want to thank him for
supporting Sister Carriel, and I want to thank him for
as prayers.

Speaker 9 (02:50:16):
So what does keep us protected?

Speaker 4 (02:50:18):
Is?

Speaker 20 (02:50:18):
I mentioned that my mom and my aunties and lots
of our elders they do a prayer circle intentionally for
Black Lives Matter, grass Roots and the movement on the ground.

Speaker 9 (02:50:29):
Every Wednesday they have this prayer call.

Speaker 20 (02:50:31):
That we do have a clergy for Black Lives who
does a lot of spiritual work from all faith traditions
to protect the folks on the ground. That we also
have a lead for our spiritual work, Sister Karen, who
does intentional work twice a week to do prayer work.

(02:50:51):
We believe that the spiritual work is as vital as
the work on the front lines, and so we're grateful
for his prayers, grateful for the hedge of protection. We're
especially grateful for his support for sister carry O Horn,
who's a tremendous force up in Buffalo, who's the only
former cop we've ever allowed in our midst and it's

(02:51:13):
because she put her commitment to black people first. Sister
Carriel was fired from Buffalo Police Department for intervening when
a cop attacked a black man, and she was really
really seriously retaliated against. They fired her, they took away
her pension, they attempted to prosecute her, and they've been

(02:51:35):
targeting her and her family ever since, including locking up
her son, including trying to get her convicted for intervening
again when she witnessed them brutalizing two black women in
the midst of a snowstorm. Even as a private citizen.
This grandmother intervened physically in their abusive folks, So please,

(02:51:56):
brother Bob, continue to support and protect Sisters carry I'll
say this, and I think that something he brought up
is really important. One of the reasons that and folks
can see the statement after the DOJ investigation was announced
that the global Network Foundation actually denies the investigation. Their

(02:52:17):
statement said there's no investigation, but the Washington Post AP News,
which are pretty credible media outlets, I'll say that there is.
They even named where the investigation was coming out of
in California and who's in charge of it. That we
know that an investigation by a Trump regime does not

(02:52:41):
protect us from also becoming subject to an investigation. So
when you have the devil in charge, right, anything is possible.
And we got to remember that. At the end of September,
Trump signs this terrible presidential memo that is an attempt
by his administration, by his regime to criminalize any kind

(02:53:07):
of protest.

Speaker 9 (02:53:08):
And so he named organizations.

Speaker 20 (02:53:12):
He named one was antifool good Luck's find in Them Right,
but he named Black Lives Matter. He didn't specifically say
what part of Black Lives Matter he's looking at, although
the investigation is of the Global Network Foundation. But he
also named tactics, so he said things like, you know,
going after elected officials at their homes and offices. Is

(02:53:37):
he called that criminal. Well, that's something that we do
with regularity and plan to continue to do. We plan
to hold elected officials accountable. We plan to hold police
who kill our people accountable, and we do them. We're
not going to let up. We're not going to be
scared out of doing the work that we know that
we're called in to do. So thank you to Brother Bob,

(02:53:59):
and we ask every if you can't be on the
front lines with us, please engage in prayer for us.
Please use your voice to say that Black Lives Matter
Grassroots is still moving the righteous work that is absolutely needed.
And please donate. If you can donate, please donate so.

Speaker 9 (02:54:17):
That our work is supported.

Speaker 20 (02:54:20):
It costs money to get on flights and go to Lubbock,
or cost money to lodge the folks who are doing
work on the ground. I know sister Sharon Erskine's mom
had to do a turnaround and go back to Lubbock
after we spent all last week in Lubbock.

Speaker 9 (02:54:36):
She's going back this week.

Speaker 20 (02:54:38):
Because the county commissioners are having a meeting about the
criminal investigation, the possibility of a criminal investigation against the
sheriff who killed her son. So all of that costs money,
and so when people donate, that's where it goes to.

Speaker 1 (02:54:55):
Gotcha, I thought you and away from the top Dad
jobs Next Jay I is calling from Ohio. She's online
to grand rising doctor Malina Abdullah.

Speaker 21 (02:55:03):
Thank you for taking my call. First thing I would
say is I feel that it's a little tooth for
folks that are warm and have all the transportation they
need and the privilege of paying a mortgage versus a
rent to tell folks that really do need these services

(02:55:26):
to go in the right now that you know it's there.
Somehow they should be opening themselves up to all the
other methods of being fed and things of that nature.

Speaker 5 (02:55:38):
So that's just.

Speaker 21 (02:55:39):
Something that I see in passing and kind of loves
me the wrong way. But what I would like your
guest to speak to, and admittedly I have not looked
up so called Black Lives Matter of grassroots, so I
have not done some research on that myself. But as
we know, there's a lot of name gaming around the
Black Lives Matter platforms, even such that we know there's

(02:56:04):
groups called the Movement for Black Lives. There's always these
various names. But what I find is most of you
all are congruent about your mission, and those missions typically
embrace a number of things that usually take priority over

(02:56:25):
Black lives. And so in closing, if you could speak
to what would be your position or this organization's position
that makes you different from Black Lives Matter in terms
of acknowledging men as women also blatantly blanketing black people

(02:56:48):
or so called the black community of transphobics or homophobics,
and your position on you know, just the mythed gendering
and I'm embracing pro nows and all these things that
typically go with those who use that of names. And

(02:57:08):
that's the short version I'll listen here.

Speaker 20 (02:57:13):
So I'm grateful for the call because it allows me
to speak to it.

Speaker 17 (02:57:18):
One.

Speaker 20 (02:57:19):
I'm not going to apologize for the fact that I'm
a single mother of three children and was able to
buy a house in two thousand and one before housing
got out of control. What I'm paying for my mortgage
is less than the average rent for a one bedroom
apartment in Los Angeles. So I'm not going to apologize

(02:57:40):
for that. I'm grateful for that, and I believe everybody
should have that. I believe everybody has a right to housing,
and I'll fight vigorously for everybody to have a right
to housing, for everybody to live in a place that's
safe and warm and has enough food. I will fight
for that, and I'm not going to apologize for the
fact that I have that.

Speaker 9 (02:58:00):
I'm grateful that I have that.

Speaker 20 (02:58:03):
Second, I'll say that her challenge is absolutely with merit
because in Black Lives Matter, we believe that all black
lives matter, Queer black lives matter, trans, black lives matter, Mama,
black mamas matter, black daddy's matter, black baba's matter, Black
incarcerated folks matter. And so no, we're not going to

(02:58:26):
throw black trans folks under the bus. We love our
black trans siblings and we're going to fight for their freedom,
just as we fight for the freedom of all black people.

Speaker 1 (02:58:38):
Got you, I thank you Jr. For your questions. Eight
hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six. You can
use that lyne to get in to speak to doctor
Ameliana Abdullah. Let's toss some more politics at doctor Abdullah.
What do you see happening now that I mentioned you
didn't hear the story about the Democrats that caved in
and the House Democrats that caved in. Now that it
moves over to the Senate and then Donald says if

(02:59:00):
they agree, he's going to sign the bill. Do you
see do you see a straight line from now on?
Now that those Democrats have caved in.

Speaker 20 (02:59:08):
I don't know, so I haven't seen who it is
who caved, but I will say that it's again really disappointing.
And this is what we see over and over and
over again with the two party system absolutely advancing the
interests of corporations.

Speaker 9 (02:59:28):
And I think that.

Speaker 20 (02:59:30):
It's a mistake when people think that, you know, if
you play the short term game, that's good for us.

Speaker 9 (02:59:38):
In the long term, we need to be playing a
long term game.

Speaker 20 (02:59:42):
We need to go on the offensive as well as
the defense.

Speaker 9 (02:59:46):
And so I hope that people again will take the.

Speaker 20 (02:59:51):
Lessons from last Tuesday's election that the other thing that
we didn't talk about about Mom Donnie is he's also
pro reparations for African folks, who Africans in this country
who descend from chattel slavery, like you and me, Brother Carl.
He's pro reparations. That's a long term game. That's a

(03:00:14):
fight that we have to have in the now. But
it's a fight that there's a really great new book
about Queen Mother Moore right that we've been having not
just since Queen Mother Moore, but we've been having from
the moment that we broke Chatto slavery by freeing ourselves,
and so that's a long term fight. We have to

(03:00:36):
go on the offensive, and I think that it's going
to take people outside of the Democratic Party. That's what
this break seems to mean to me, that we cannot
rely on the Democrats to do it for us.

Speaker 9 (03:00:49):
That people have to create.

Speaker 20 (03:00:50):
The pressure to fight for the things that we actually want.

Speaker 1 (03:00:55):
You know, the question is, now, doesmon Donna become the
face of the Democratic Party? Can that be used against Democrats?
Not just obviously it didn't work in New York City,
but Iowa, you know, Peoria, even Passadena, the different places.
Does what he's saying does that work for the rest
of the country.

Speaker 20 (03:01:14):
I think it works for the people. I think that Remember,
the Democratic Party was not supportive of Mamdani, right Hai
King Jeffreys had to when did he wind up indorse
And it was like a week or so before, right,
he wouldn't endorse Mam Donnie. So the mainstream Democrats did
all that they could to kill Mam Donnie's chances. So

(03:01:37):
what Mam Donnie represents and I'm not saying he's without flaws, right,
So it's also going to take the people to hold
him accountable. So I want to lift that up that
there are no saviors of the people. The people have
to be our own saviors. So but what Mamdani represents
and what electing people who are willing to go further

(03:01:58):
and really fight for what we say we want and need,
what that represents is the power of the people. So no,
I don't believe that Mam Donnie is the new face
of the Democratic Party. I think that what we see
is a win for the people. The Democratic Party was
never behind Mam Donnie and didn't get on the train
until it had already, you know, pulled up into.

Speaker 9 (03:02:20):
The station.

Speaker 1 (03:02:23):
Five away from the top. Is this a way to
attract the younger people into the Democratic Party? What Mandannae did.
Can that work nationwide?

Speaker 20 (03:02:32):
It could work if the Democrats were willing to be courageous.
But I think that what the capitulation shows us is
that they're not willing to be courageous. And even though
there's Mam Donnie's victory as an example, I'm looking at
what's happening in cities like Los Angeles, where you have
basically a tale of two cities. New Yorkers overwhelmingly electing

(03:02:56):
a Mamdanni. And in Los Angeles you have a mayor
in Karen Bath who's completely capitulating to the mainstream Democrats,
to corporate interests and unleashing in the midst of people
going no ice raids. Basically, she and Gavin Newsom and
mainstream Democrats are saying, yeah.

Speaker 9 (03:03:16):
No ice raids, we don't want them in our cities.

Speaker 20 (03:03:18):
Will abuse our own people, right and unleashing LAPD, unleashing CHP.

Speaker 9 (03:03:25):
On the people.

Speaker 20 (03:03:26):
And so the Democrats, if they want to survive, they're
gonna have to get a clue and they're gonna have
to say no, the people want the things that people
like Mom Donnie represent.

Speaker 9 (03:03:36):
I mean, we even see it in Chicago where you.

Speaker 20 (03:03:38):
Have a mayor And I keep asking, am I missing
something because Brandon Johnson seems are really great to me?
And then when I talked to organizers on the ground,
they say, no, he really is doing the things that
we want him to do. And I think, again, it
goes back to accountability.

Speaker 9 (03:03:54):
Brandon Johnson comes out of the union movement.

Speaker 20 (03:03:56):
Right he was a classroom teacher in Chicago, comes out
of the Chicago Teachers Union, and so he still has
those folks around him, not just supporting him and encouraging him,
but also holding him accountable if he missteps. And that's
what we have to push for. We have to push
for elected and candidates that really represent the people and

(03:04:20):
are willing to be beholden, remembering that that makes them stronger,
That makes their leadership stronger when they have people who
will hold them accountable and encourage and surround them when
they do the right thing.

Speaker 1 (03:04:34):
Right and doctor madee we got to cut it there
before we do that. How do folks they want to
help Black Lives Matter Grassroots? How do they reach you?

Speaker 20 (03:04:41):
Sure, We're at BLM Grassroots on all social media and
blmgrassroots dot org is our website. We would love for
folks to plug in with a local chapter. Fifty two
chapters all around the world, so there's probably a chapter
near you that you can plug into.

Speaker 1 (03:04:58):
All right, thank you, thank you for sharing all you
that information with us this morning.

Speaker 9 (03:05:03):
Thank you so much for the car.

Speaker 1 (03:05:05):
All right, family, that's a Melina Abdullah, doctor Malina Abdullah,
and that's it for the day and classes dismissed. Stay strong,
stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning,
six o'clock. Right, here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB,
and also on the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL

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