John Hope Bryant, The Faith Brothers, Wayne Gillman, Reggie Thomas & Charles Barron on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, thanks for checking in with us
on this Wednesday morning. Later, the Founder, Chairman and CEO,
John Hope Bryant, will it turn to our classroom. John
will share several ways we can become financially independent. Before John,
the Faith Brothers will join us. Before the Faith Brothers,
New York City media analyst Wayne Gilman and Reggie Thomas
will analyze some of the key races in Tuesday's elections.

(00:22):
But to get a started, momentarily, we're going to speak
with former New York City lawmaker Charles Barron. But let's
get Kevin, who opened up these classroom doors for us
on this humpday, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, I first must do a disclaimer.
The legal idea needs to be changed. We're working on that.
We're working on it as we speak. And meanwhile, though,
it's d Day in America. And what I mean by
that is that Democrats declared such victory in those elections.

(00:55):
But before we begin that conversation, how you feeling, Carl Nelson?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Learning? Kevin, I'm in a learning mode.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I think that's become your superpower, hasn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Because I know I'm going to learn a lot, you know,
John Hope Brant, we've got financial independence of Faith Brothers.
And also we've got Charles Barron coming up shortly, so
I know I'm going to learn a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, that's right, Parce he's the ninja in learning right now,
just messing with him.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
So yeah, man, what do you think of all those elections?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Let me read pick a headline for you first from
the CNN Politics page. It says Democrats sweep the first
major elections of Trump's second term. What we need to
know is there are big wins where the Democrats that
the party had victories and contests across the states, building

(01:53):
momentum into the twenty twenty six midterms. Zoran Mandani will
win well. He won New York City's mayoral race, and
CNN says that Abigail Spanberger and Mickey Scherrill will win
their respective gubernatorial races in Virginia and New Jersey, and
the Californians voted to approve democrats redistricting redistricting push. So

(02:19):
before we go on, what's what's that? Uh in plain
English for you?

Speaker 1 (02:24):
A blue wave?

Speaker 5 (02:25):
A blue wave?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, yeah, Well the historic first is that Mandannie h
I'm saying his name. I keep putting that m on
it in Mandani. It will be the first Muslim mayor
and first South Asian to hold that office. So we're
living in a time of first as.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well speaking out first. Alban in New York elected a
black one, the first black elected the mayor of New
York of all be in New York, Dorsey apple is
and also in Detroit has a mayor elect as well,
sister Mary Shepard Sheffield. I'm sorry, so let's not forget
those sisters too. Oh man.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, I had a list on one of the pages
of names all of the wins. Let's see what do
I have here? In New Jersey, Mickey Cyril is projected
in California. In Pennsylvania, voters kept three incumbent Democrats on

(03:29):
the state Supreme Court, preserving the parties five to two majority, and.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
They made a clean sweep.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Okay, we talked about Mandamie, We talked about Virginia and
Jay Jones defeated Republican Attorney General Jason Millais. And was
this even before all the races were called. Senate Minority
Leader Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat, touted their outcomes

(03:58):
as a sharp rebu uke to President Donald Trump, a Republican.
So do you see that we were talking about that
off Mike as the resistance, that's the beginning of the
resistance could be.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, we'll see now the CounterPunch is coming. It's got
to come. I'm surprised Donald Trump wasn't on uh his side,
and reflecting it probably says he didn't support any of
the losers. They're losers. You know, he's going to somehow
distance himself from from the losers, the Republican losers. Last night,
the interesting.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Part about the politics game is Schumer refused to endorse Mondani,
and now he's saying, you know, hey, I knew it
all along.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
This is a repudiation of the Trump and the.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Cruelty chaos agreed that defined Macker radicalism and our skyrocketing
costs were firmly rejected by the American people.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Schumer said, so yeah, well, also Obama didn't, you know,
endorse him as well. So you know, maybe when we
get Charles, get to Charle Baron, he can explain what's
going on if they're trying to play two sides of
the coin there between Obama and also, you know, all
the other folks who didn't support Mandonne, now they're, you know,
applauding his victory.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, America is waiting with bait. It remp to hear
what Charles Baron's gonna share with us this morning, and
before we go there, because I don't want to take
up all your time. Today, jury selection begins in the
misdemeanor trial of the subway sandwich hero. Remember that, Remember
the guy that through the subway sandwich at the and

(05:33):
now they Sean Dunn is his name, also known as
the sandwich guy. He'll always be known as that now, uh,
the former Justice Department employee who federal prosecutors unsuccessfully tried
to indict because the judge said in that case in
the fellay charge, responded with are you dumb? You're bringing

(05:57):
a sandwich to the to the trial. And one day
the prosecutors hit done with a misdemeanor assault charge, to which.

Speaker 6 (06:03):
He pleaded not guilty.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
And now the jury selection is set to begin for
what might arguably be I quote, the stupidest high profile
trial of the year. So we need a little levity,
you need something light to go with some go with
your sandwich sometimes, So anyway, today is the fifth of November, man,

(06:26):
So thank you for your time.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
Carl.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
All right, thanks Kevin, thanks for the update. Eight after
the top of the out let's go to former New
York lawmaker Charles Baron.

Speaker 7 (06:35):
Charles grand Rising, grand Rising, my brother, both of you.
It's good to hear your voices, and I always appreciate
your analysis and being on with you.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Well, we appreciate your analysis. So tell us what, Johnny,
how do you do well? What happened?

Speaker 7 (06:52):
Well, first of all, let me just say this off
the top. There was a blue wave, but I don't
know if that means the black waves. I always want
to know what does all of this mean for black people. Now,
we've been down this road before where they switch waves
of the red waves and a blue wave. Then a

(07:12):
Democrat gets the White House, and then a Republican gets
the White House. And then yesterday, as you saw, Mandani
won the election as most of us anticipated he would.
I'll have a breakdown on that in a minute. But
then also in New Jersey, Virginia, and then look at

(07:33):
the Democrats and Republicans in Texas. The Democrats did their
redistricting to give them more seats, So I mean, sorry,
the Republicans did their redistricting to get more seats, and
then in California and the Democrats did every district thing
to get more seats. So you have this dooperly, these

(07:54):
two party systems that fighting to see who's going to
be the administrator of a colonial, racist, capitalist system with
some imperialistic foreign policy, which fundamentally doesn't change with either
party being in. So after saying all of that, and

(08:14):
we look at what's happening, and then within these parties
there's in conflicts and contradictions and implosion. As y'all mentioned,
Chuck Schumer, he's shaken in his boots because he didn't
endorse Mamdani at all, and now he's trying to act like, hey,
this was great for all of us. And then you

(08:35):
have HAKM Jeffries, the leader of the Democratic Party, who
waited till the last minute the day before early voting.
He's finally endorsed, and when he was on CNN talking
about the Democratic victory, he didn't even mention Mamdani. He mentioned,

(08:57):
of course, you know what happened in New Jersey and
what happened in Virginia and what happened in California. He
never mentioned them, they had to plot him and say,
well what about New York. Oh yeah, you know, congratulations,
it's a victory from Mandani. But we just got to
keep moving. So he reluctantly, I guess eventually Apax the

(09:19):
Jewish lobby said okay, you can do it, Hakem, and
so he reluctantly endorsed. So I say all of that
to say the one thing that we always black people,
we always have to analyze this two party system because
no matter who gets in, we catch help. And when

(09:40):
you look at New York zoron Mondani. You know, the
thing I'm most excited about is that out of this
came our Black Solidarity Coalition. We had on Black Solidarity
Day of the day before, almost three hundred people in
the church that are supporting us, and we had originally

(10:03):
supported Mamdani reluctantly, many of us just to keep our
unity because some of us in the coalition wanted to
do that. And that coalition consists of Similotep and doctor
James mcintires, the Nation of Islam, Marcus Garviz Group, the
UNIA our Organization, Operation Power. May she Rest in peace

(10:25):
for all the Plumbers. December twelfth Movement led now by
o'mawali claim and then the Omwalia Stella's organization is also
part of that coalition in New York and we had
some dynamite young groups that joined us. So our ranks
are swelling. And that's the most exciting thing coming out

(10:46):
of the election for me, because now Mamdanni ran a
phenomenal campaign over one hundred thousand volunteers. He made a
powerful speech his victory speech. The first person he mentioned

(11:07):
that his speech was Eugene Debs. Eugene Debs is the
white Socialists from years ago in the early nineteen hundreds.
He ran for president with SWP, the Socialist Workers Party,
and they were a racist party when it came to us,
as was the c WP the Communist Workers Party. They
were racist when it came to us. A lot of

(11:29):
our leaders like Paul Robinson and W. D. Boy and
so many Queen mother more they had to lead those organizations.
So it comes from Donnie.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Now.

Speaker 7 (11:41):
Yes, his campaign was phenomenal. Yes, his victory speech was powerful,
and he mentioned black women were fired to the tune
of two three hundred thousand. He mentioned that that was
about it for us in his speech. But let's look
at the real deal.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Now.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
The bottom line is Mamdanni had no zero black women
or men put the use in his top leadership. They
were East Asian and white. That's number one. Number two Mandanni.
He capitulated so much. He apologized to the police for

(12:26):
saying that NYPD is racist and we should defund them
and defunding me transferring some funds from their budget. He
apologized to them. He went around to Jewish groups saying
that I'm gonna be with you and I might even
have to have a Zionist in my administration. That might

(12:48):
even happen. He said that he also during his campaign,
gotta listen carefully when these folks start campaigning. He also said,
Jessica Tish, Jessica Tiss is the incompetent police commissioner that
Eric Adams put in place because he needed her money

(13:10):
and her family's money. The Tiss the Tiss is so here.
Mandani made a commitment that he's going to keep her,
and then he got a nerve to talk against the oligarchy. Well,
Zorn Tiss is a family comes from the family oligarchy
called the Tisses, who spent one point one million dollars

(13:35):
against you. But yet you still are going to keep
her domini, Mom Donnie. Let me say that. Good for everybody,
Mom Donnie, ismam Mom Donnie. He also had the nerve
to support the City of Yes. The City of Yes

(13:56):
is a housing policy that Eric Adams put for and
got the City Council to pass that gives more authority
to the real estate industry in the housing approval process,
taken away some of the power from the city council.
Though on supports that then we had initiatives on the ballot.

(14:20):
Six initiatives. The initiatives two to three would set up
One of them would set up a panel of three,
a panel of three which would be an appointment from
the mayor, appointment from the City Council, and appointment from
the borough President on a commission or on a body

(14:44):
authoritative body that would overturn the power of the City
Council in keeping affordable housing affordable as it stands now,
if any housing is going to be built in a
neighborhood and there's any zoning variations or they have to
get approval from the city council. This is why when

(15:07):
I Naza and I were in the City council, our
district is not gentrified because we had the power to
say no to those developers that wanted to gentrify, because
the council had the power. That power is now taken away.
Zorn voted for those policiesoron.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
I feel right there at Charles read step aside for
a few moments. I let you finish your thought on
giving us your analysis of what happened in the New
York mayoral race. Family, you two can get in on
this conversation with Charles Barron. Reach out to which is
eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six on
ticket phone calls next and Grand Rising family. Thanks for
waking up with us on this Wednesday morning. I guess
he's former New York City lawmaker. Charles Barron also served

(15:51):
in the Assembly up in Albany, and he's given his
analysis of the New York mayoral race. So Charles, i'n't
let you finish your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (15:59):
Yeah, dis the finishment thought up on those contradictions and
backsliding of Zoron Mundani from a democratic socialist to a
neoliberal who's doing anything engaging in what I call vulgar pragmatism,
vulgar political pragmatism over political principles. So aside from all

(16:23):
of those other contradictions, we also had the facts that
we have retirees who are getting health care and they
were satisfied with the healthcare care they were getting. Eric
Adams Mayor Eric Adams wanted to force them to go
into ETNA, a racist insurance company, and change their health care.

(16:46):
The city council was paying for twenty percent of their healthcare.
He wanted that to shift to privatization, and we fought it,
we won. He backed off us Zoron would not even
support the retire reeds. How could a socialists not support
the retirees for getting the healthcare that they need. And

(17:08):
then the store that broke the camel's back for many
is that he was on a podcast with the Ramo's
couple and father and daughter and they were pushing him
on Cuba and Venezuela and he said, well, yeah, they
have repressive regimes and they say yeah, but are their dictatorships. Well,
they have repressive regimes and they are not doing things away.

(17:31):
I would like it saying all of that to finally,
a day or two later, his campaign sent out a
press release saying that let's make it very clear that
Zoran Mamdani considers madonall the president of Venezuela and Janelle
the president of Cuba, as dictators. So now he's calling

(17:53):
these two socialist countries dictatorships. And they had elections. Eighty
percent of people, eighty six percent of the people came
out to vote for the Cuban leader, and Madonnald had
elections as well. With all of those contradictions, we the
Black Solidarity Coalition of groups I mentioned initially, we said, well,

(18:16):
you know, Eric Adams is corrupt and Eric Adams should
not receive anybody's votes. He's a conservative Republican masquerading as
a Democrat. Cuomo is an embarrassing corruption, a corrupt person
that he should not be an option because he, as

(18:36):
everybody knows, abuse or sexually abused or was charged with harassment,
sexual harassment over fourteen women, and most devastating, he forced
COVID patients into nursing homes, causing deaths, and then he

(19:01):
wouldn't tax the rich, wouldn't continue to tax the rich.
He's corrupt and no good. So those are not options.
And I'm not even reading the guy running around with
the red hats. You know, he's irrelevant. So now all
of that so we said, okay, the only hope is
I'm Donnie. So initially, when we saw some of the contradictions,
we said, all right, let's give him a play. Let's

(19:23):
let's endorse him, and then maybe we can build our
coalition and make him more accountable.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Excuse me a moment.

Speaker 7 (19:33):
I'll just finish. It got so bad that we had
to withdraw our endorsement and we had approval of that
at the three hundred people who attended our Black Solidarity Day.
And that's the most exciting thing for me that came
out of this election.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Go ahead, Well, according to BBC News website, right, they
say that Mom Dunny and Mom Donny rather facing three
challenges delivering on those promises of freezing the rent and subsidies,
free public buses, city run grocery stores. And then in
his victory speech that you made reference to, he challenged

(20:13):
President Trump to turn up the volume. And they say,
but he's thirty four years old, no executive experience, and
the US President has already threatened to pull federal funding.
So how do you think that's gonna shake out?

Speaker 7 (20:31):
Well, you know that he's thirty four years old and
had no executive experience. Neither did Rudolph Giuliani. He was
a US attorney who never even saw a city budget.
Neither did Michael Bloomberg. He was a businessman who had

(20:52):
made US billions in communications, never saw a budget. You
can run this city. I can get in there right
now and run this city. And I've had no executive experience.
Zoran had the experience. I was with him in Albany.
We had to pass one hundred plus two hundred plus
billion dollar budgets and fight governors and unite with the

(21:14):
city council members. So I believe he can run the city.
I believe that that's a bunch of nonsense because he's smart,
and he's smart enough to know that you have to
get people who know how to run the city, who
have experience in some of the agencies. You have to
hire people or keep people, replace some people. He will

(21:36):
be smart enough to know that these are the people
that run a city. A budget director. He will get
somebody who's familiar with the city budget, even though he
has never passed the city budget. So I think he's
smart enough to do that. The problem is he's not
going to belong to us. He's still leaning toward Wall Street,

(22:00):
sporting those housing development programs. A lot of his rhetoric.
His park has to be passed by the state legislature
or the City Council, the legislative bodies.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
It takes some friction to create a smooth stone anyway, right.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
So absolutely so, BBC says.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
The third challenge is that he may not be able
to work with the Democratic leadership and may not be
warmly embraced by that by the party moderates.

Speaker 7 (22:32):
The two party system, you know, is imploding, and that's
why I think there's going to be radical changes and
were on the right path. We're going to grow and
build and run candidates in the legislative bodies. Our answer
is not, mumdani. Our answer is not the executive branches
right now, because the legislative branch in New York State

(22:57):
and New York City that's where we're going to put
our focus on. So Mamdanie is going to have his
challenge that Chuck Schumer might even lose his seat because
he didn't go along, and Hakim Jeffries may be in
trouble as well in his local district because his district
was gentrified because of him, Latissa James and others who

(23:18):
allowed gentrifying projects to come in their districts where the
AMI was higher than the people who lived in the community.
So now their district went from his did from seventy
two percent black to thirty two percent black and thirty
eight percent white. These are the kind of people misleadership,
the black miss leadership class that we put in power.

(23:40):
So I'm excited about the possibilities because Gouran is going
to look good. Trump turn up the valume, mos On,
you need to turn up your valume on how you're
going to really support black people. He refused to meet
with our coalition of black radicals and progressives, and he
met with more of the neo colonial black sellout puppets

(24:01):
of the Democratic Party. He went into the black churches,
quoted a few scriptures and then pressed them to be supportive.
And this is the traditional route that Democratic candidates takes
to get the black vote. So he only had twenty
two percent of the black vote and the primary. I
suspect that he might have even gotten forty to fifty

(24:22):
percent of the black vote in the general election because
he cunningly focused on the black vote. He got a
lot of black leaders, and he got like a person
like Letitia James, who's the Attorney General. At the night
of the Democratic primary, she was an Adrian Adams celebration

(24:44):
or concession session, and because that's who she supported. And
the minute Adrian Adams lost, she was a former the
speaker of the New York City Council, black woman, she
lost to Samdani, she ran over to his camp and
wound up introducing him. Who's that kind of lack of
real loyalty, but a shuffling back and forth with seeing

(25:08):
who's gonna win.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Do you think it's support by a lot of young people.

Speaker 7 (25:13):
They had a lot of young people supported him, and
I think that helped him tremendously. He had people who
never came out to vote before came out a large percentage.
He ran a phenomenal campaign. They's no mistake about it.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Remember he plays to arrest Prime Minister Benjamin Netting.

Speaker 7 (25:33):
Yep, that's not gonna happen. And these there's a whole
lot of stuff it's not gonna happen. But he said
these things. Now, my brothers, it's governing time.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Now, let me jump in here for a second. Fellas
twenty nine minutes away from the top. There I just
waking up family, I guess is former New York lawmaker
Charles Barney, who's on the city Council also the Assembly
in Albany. Discussing the result yes last night, CELSA, the
New York mayor old primary Charles gott Ashley said, the
predicting that New York's billionaires and millionaires are going to flee,

(26:06):
They're gonna leave the city. Do you think that will happen?

Speaker 7 (26:09):
Not going to happen. That's a BS argument they make
every time one of us speak out about taxing the rich.
We have done that. I was in Albany where we
wanted to tax the rich by ten to fifteen billion.

Speaker 6 (26:24):
And when you say.

Speaker 7 (26:25):
Taxing the rich, you know what that means. It's a
progressive payroll tax and the progressive dividends tax. That means
like one point five percent on those making you know,
four three four million, two point five percent on those
making ten million, you know, three points some more percent
those making more will bring you ten billion. It will

(26:47):
not hurt them at all. So we tried to do that,
but we got two black leaders in the State Assembly.
Carl hasty the Speaker Andrea Stewart cousin the majority leader
of the Senate, and called to speak of the Assembly.
They refused to go to that length, which would not
have hurt them at all, and we got three billions.

(27:10):
So we attacked them by three billion instead of the
ten twenty thirty billion we could have, and New York
would have been fined and we could have eradicated poverty
and everything else. They're not leaving. There's too much money
to make in New York City. As many of those
that leave the same amount will come. They said this.

(27:31):
In my twenty years of being in politics in New
York City, every time we want to tax the rich,
they say they're going to leave. They said, well, Charles,
I was always for the stock transfer tax. If you
put a five cents tax which exists on the stock
market transfers millions of them that you could pull in

(27:54):
fourteen to sixteen billion that actually exists. And you know
what they do after they tax the stock market stock
transfer tack, they rebate all the money back to Wall Street.
So and that got in the Assembly. He says, listen, okay,
we'll have to keep all of it. Can we keep
fifty percent of it. So we'll have seven billion and

(28:16):
you rebate seven billion back. No, they give it all
back to Wall Street. They're not going anywhere, And mom,
Donnie is not going to turn New York City into
a socialist economy. That is not going to happen. He's
going to capitulate even more after he gets in because
he's saying affordability. It's oh great messaging affordability. If define

(28:40):
it man affordable to who? How were you going to
make housing affordable? What is your definition of affordability in housing?
The area median income? The area median income of New
York City is one hundred and forty seven thousand for
a family of free. Definition for that in terms of

(29:02):
affordability is eighty percent of that, which is one hundred
and sixteen thousand. Our communities for thirty five forty thousand
and fifty thousand for families of free. Zor on define affordability,
How are you gonna bring prices down for food? People
will come out cheaper eating their money in New York

(29:24):
City then spending it on some food. He has not
defined anything. See you now we be on the campaign,
you will see mark my words. The campaign rhetoric is over.
The speeches are over, the promises are over. I want
you to show us how you're gonna make this place

(29:48):
affordable for us poor communities, black and brown communities in
New York City. He has not defined that. We'll see
he has to put together a budget. Will he have
two three billion? This is what he didn't say. He
didn't say pay black people, Latino round people. You'll vote

(30:12):
for me because I'm gonna have a multi billion dollar
anti poverty plan and I'm bringing it to the hood.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
You'll vote for me.

Speaker 7 (30:20):
I'm gonna have a workforce development program of billions of
dollars and I'm gonna bring that to the hood. Hey,
y'all vote for me because I'm gonna make sure that
any housing developed, fifty to sixty percent of it seventy
percent of it has to be affordable by your definition

(30:41):
of affordability. And I will end homelessness or put a
dentity like you've never seen before, because I'm gonna make
sure that if they get any city subsidies, they're gonna
have to have a large percentage of homeless people. And
I will have a strength subsidy for the homeless who
can can't afford to pay there. You heard none of that.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Right there, Charles. We got to step aside and get
caught up with the ladies, news, trafficking weather in the
different cities before that. Let me just as we go out,
let me just remind the folks that Alvin back Bragg
was re elected. He's the Manhattanda, He's the one who
prosecuted Donald Trump as well. So he got he was
reelected and then all beneath the state capitol and now
has a black mayor elected, Dorsey Alpers. So some positive

(31:27):
coming out there for Democrats in New York City and
New York State. Eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight to seventy sixty. You want to speak with
Charles Brown, reach out to us. We'll take your phone
calls after the news. Trafficking weather that's next, and Grand
Rising family, thanks for waking up with us on this
Wednesday morning and day after the election's day we have
with hom se instudor. But with us is Charles Barron,

(31:48):
former New York City law maker Charles Brown. Well, get
back to Charles at the moment. Let me just remind you.
Coming up later this morning, we're gonna speak with the
Founded chairman and CEO, John Hope. Brian, He's gonna, you know,
give us some tips that we can become financially in
the Before we do that, the Faith Brothers will be here.
Before the Faith Brothers though, we're going to speak with
to New York media analysts. That will be Wayne Gillmo
and Reggie Thomas. We're going to talk about some of

(32:08):
the races that took place on Tuesday and tomorrow. Chemictologist
Tony Brader will join us along with sixty civil rights
activist doctor Paul Smith. So if you are in Baltimore
and make sure you can be radio locked in Tight
on ten ten WLB or if you're in the TMV
run fourteen fifty w L. Back to Charles again. So, Charles,
you know some of the races we talked about, we

(32:29):
didn't mention it and I mentioned agoing. Now, Alvin Bragg
was re elected Manhattan das one who went after Donald
Trump as well as Chis James also all but in
New York one of your former man. Yeah, Dorsey Apple
is just the first black to win anything in Alpening.
Is that true?

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Right?

Speaker 8 (32:48):
Yep?

Speaker 7 (32:48):
We'll see when her politics is like you know, once
she gets in, But let me finish this and then
open up some questions. You know what's interesting as a
historic election, over two million people came out that history,
and he got one million of them, fifty percent of them.

(33:10):
So even if Curtis Lever would have dropped out, he
still would have beaten Cromo. And that's a good thing.
More young people came out than ever before. So you're
going to hear in the days to come. Is this
the new faith of the Democratic Party? Of course, how
King Jeffreys immediately said no, it isn't. Why because they're
afraid now that the Republicans for the midterm elections next

(33:34):
year twenty twenty six congressional seats. That's why all the
jurymending happening from both sides.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
That if they paint.

Speaker 7 (33:44):
Zorn Mamdani as the new face of the Democratic Party,
they're saying that new face is socialism. Then they ignorantly
say communism all that that foolishness. But here's the problem
for black people. We got to focus on black people.
I don't care what faith the Democratic Party has black people.

(34:04):
Catch hell, even when they had the face of Franklin
Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal and that's when Social
Security came in, Unemployment benefits came in, our government jobs
came in. The New Deal was no real deal for
black people. Then we go back and research the poverty,
especially when those men came back from war, and then

(34:29):
here comes President Johnson, the War on Poverty. Well, he
lost that damn war because we in some of the
most abject poverty that we've ever been in, in the
richest country in the world. With a seven billion trillion
dollar national budget and in New York a two hundred
and fifty four billion dollar state budget and one hundred

(34:52):
and sixteen billion dollar city budget. What face of the
Democratic Party ever ever did the right did right by
our faces. So I'm saying the most exciting thing that
came out of this election in New York City is
not his victory. I'm glad Clomo lost. I'm glad Hakim,

(35:13):
and I'm a strambling to define the face. I'm glad
Chuck schum is in trouble. I'm glad Hakim is in trouble.
I'm glad he did all of that. Of black people.
Don't go dancing in the street, because now the devil
is in the details and the way he's been moving
towards the from the socialism. Moving toward neoliberalism is scary,

(35:38):
and I think we're going to have to continue. So
the best thing that happened to us was to have
that Black Solidarity Coalition, and we're going to run candidates
and set the example as Anaza and I did in
East New York, where black radicals can get elected into
these state legislators legislatures and have some power. And then

(35:59):
we also have of our national conference that was excellent,
the National Black Radical Political Congress. We were able to
get one hundred plus people in New Jersey and mean
Philadelphia at college there, and we were able to get

(36:19):
over twelve states represented. And so now we're going to
take that model across the country. Our best hope is us.
Does this mean we're not going to unite with others?
Of course, now we're going to form alliances and coalitions
because we have to have our lives. We can't do
it by ourselves. But it's going to be based upon

(36:39):
principles of unity. And I see that's what's coming out
of New York like never before. Zoron is not our savior.
Zoron is a Democrat. Now he's a neoliberal now and
he's going to get worse unless we organize, organized, organized,
with some serious resistance. The while it turns blue. We

(37:03):
got to make sure they's black beneficial for us.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
All right, turn away from the top of Charles. Brother
main too is called from New York City. Every wants
to have a conversation with it. He's online too, Grand Rising,
Brother man too with Charles Baron.

Speaker 9 (37:17):
Yes, Grand Rising, Hotel habarra GANI free the land of food,
the African mind. I'm going to thank you, brother Crazy
for having this forum, and thank you for having brother
Charles Barron, my general, My general, my general. The work
now begins.

Speaker 6 (37:34):
How you doing so?

Speaker 7 (37:35):
I'm doing fine, Thank you so much. It's sure does Yeah.

Speaker 9 (37:40):
I just want to just put something out there so
that people can understand the context and you can then
take it where it needs to go. One. We had
our first black mayor, David Dinkins after the previous administration.
Koch administration was riddled with scan and we had a

(38:01):
whole bunch of police brutality, some cases that someone reported
and some came known, such as Usef Hawkins, the unfortunately
killing of Youthseeff Hawkins, and people in the coach administration
who committed suicide after corruption after corruption case was being revealed,
one one guy named Mannus committed suicide. Then we don't

(38:27):
have a female governor in our history at New York
until Andrew Cormo gets caught up in a corruption scandal.
And then you have Sheldon Silver, who was a white
politician who was ruling with the impunity. He gets exposed
with corruption scandal. And of course we don't have Zorona
and Donnie after Eric Adams doesn't get caught up in

(38:49):
corruption scandal. Could you speak to the everyday corruption that
goes on in New York City and state that is
normal and how we have that's another thing we have
to fight against in order to advance the black agenda.

Speaker 7 (39:06):
Thank you, Thank you so much, And you're so right.
The corruption is pervasive. You know, you can add Elliot Spitzer,
you can add a few others that who was a
governor as well or attorney general. The corruption is pervasive
in New York and still a lot of people are
getting away with it. It's not that it stops. They're

(39:27):
going to be more careful now, but corruption is all
throughout New York City as a matter of fact, mybell.
I'm glad you raised that because I don't know if
some of you saw that film The Gangs of New
York and they used to call it. You know, what's
a guy's name? Who was this Boss Tweed, Boss Tweed,

(39:52):
Tammedy Hall. I think you might remember those names. Tammedy Hall.
In New York City in the early eighteen hundred nineteen hundreds.
Tammany Hall.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Was corrupt.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
It was a corrupt Democratic governance of New York City.
And Boss Tweed, Marcy Tweed, was so corrupt he turned
over the New York City economy to the gangsters, to
mobsters and contracting stuff. Well, now from Tammany Hall, the

(40:33):
City Hall, the Democratic Party is still into gangsterism, except
the gangsters now are the billionaires. So New York City
is run by the billionaires. It was the billionaires that
got behind Eric Adam and decided that they wanted him.
It was the billionaires that left Eric Adams and went

(40:55):
with Cuomo to try to stop Zora Mamdani.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
It was the billionaires that.

Speaker 7 (41:00):
Decided that, hey, conscious a liability, Let's give Dinkins a shot.
It was the billionaires that said Laird Dincoln's didn't do it.
Let's get rid of him and let's give Julianni a shot.
So from Tammany Hall to City Hall. This gangsterism in
the Democratic Party that nobody talks about, and it's through contracting.

(41:22):
And this is why Zorlonmandani should not have supported those bills,
those policies that came on the ballot, the ballot initiatives
that's going to give more power to these corporate real
estate gangsters. And he should not have supported the City

(41:42):
of Yes, which takes power away from the city council
that people elected to do the housing stuff. That's why
we stopped gentrification because we were in the city council.
He is against the city. He's for the City of Yes,
which is Eric Adams policies to give the gangster corporations,

(42:05):
the gangster real estate industry, more profit and control.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Let me tell me and ask you this question of Charles,
because you've been in these elections, you play these games.
So what happens? What's Mandannie. Do you go to sleep
after you win the election or are you're up all
night for the next day. I'm just trying to figure
out what do you think he's been doing? Right now?

Speaker 7 (42:29):
I think he made a speech that was powerful, rhetoric
that was deep. A lot of it was empty. He's
not going to be able to do. But now he
has to be worried to death because he now has
to face reality. It's governing time. All of this taught
during the campaign. Now it's time to govern, and the

(42:53):
devil will be in the details of his budget. That's
the first thing you can tell where he's coming from
his budget. And then you've got to look at who
he's going to hire as commissioners of agencies or people
on his staff who Black people will nowhere to be
found in his hierarchy of his campaign, and I doubt

(43:16):
seriously we might have a few token appointments here and there,
but we're not going to be found anywhere in the
real numbers in his administrations. So now you're going to
see where's going on is at The campaign's over, the
rhetoric is over, the promises are over. It's governing time.
It's delivery time. And I've seen democratic socialists go from

(43:41):
radical socialism to vulgar pragmatism and neoliberalism and voting for
governors and speakers that don't do our community the best
in our community's interests that don't have our best our
community's interests at heart. So he's going to have to
really govern now. He has to deal with Wall Street,

(44:04):
he has to deal with the real estate industry, he
has to deal with the multi ethnic groups in New
York City. And we will see if all of that
rhetoric becomes reality or he just falls in line like
everybody else. And as Malcolm says, we should not be bamboothoo,

(44:24):
don't be had, don't be took. We have to stay organized, billets,
vigilant and intelligent because I see the shift already during
the campaign to neoliberalism.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Hold that thought right there. We got to step beside.
Get caught over the traffic and weather in different cities.
And Christian in Malibu has a comment or a question
for you family. You two can join this discussion. Reach
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thanks for waking up with us on this Wednesday morning.
It's a hump day that means halfway through the work week.

(45:01):
With our guest Charles Baron, Charles is a former New
York City a lawmaker and also a state lawmaker, was
up in Albany as well and reflecting on last night's
election results. So the focus right now is on New
York City. Of course it wasn't it's so called an
upset but arn mndoni one, but dynamics and his winning
attracted a lot of young people, and Charles has not

(45:23):
too many of us who look like us or is
part of that campaign. So we'll see how that works out.
But we've got some folks wanted to talk to Charles,
So let's go to Christian's callings from Malibu. He's online,
three grand rising, Christian. You're on with Charles Barron.

Speaker 8 (45:36):
Hey, good morning, it's a beautiful day and America. Now
we're gonna see how your boy reacts because I can
see you right now. In the next six months, Naho's
coming to New York. He's gonna be speaking at the
United Nations. He's gonna be speaking wherever he wants to speak.
That's the first thing, is how's boy going to approach that?

Speaker 7 (45:57):
Well, you know, like they already have the sessions and
New York City. I don't think he's going to arrest him.
I think that was rhetoric. I think that he a
back down on a lot of stuff he said about
Palestine and the Jewish community and genocide. He backed down
on stuff he said about the police. And so I

(46:18):
just don't see him acting a whole lot different than
what we've had in New York because he's going to capitulate,
as he's done already during his campaign when it comes
to governing and he got to get the budget going
and he has to get legislation passed, He's going to
have to get a city council sponsor of legislation because

(46:40):
he can't pass that. So when you come to practical government,
operating and running a city, the most powerful city in
the world, where the whole world meets the United Nations,
where the city dell of capitalism in Wall Street, the
communication capital of the world is New York City. New

(47:01):
York City that has over two million black people, African people,
and over two million Latino people Latino Latino people and
about a million Asian people. Sixty two percent of New
York City is people of color. That's going to be
an interesting combination for him to try to navigate.

Speaker 8 (47:22):
Now, the second question is you had a lot of
illegal aliens in New York. If he wants to have
a successful career, maybe he should go ahead and go
along with the removal for the illegal aliens. What do
you think about that?

Speaker 7 (47:37):
Well, first, let me correct you. There's no space. People
in New York not illegal aliens. They're undocumented immigrants and
they contribute billions of dollars to the New York economy
and to the culture of the economy. And I think
that New York with its one hundred and sixteen billion

(48:00):
dollar budget, and then most people don't know separate from
that one hundred and sixteen billion is the eight billion
dollar unrestricted budget. To deal with first our poor black
people who are in homeless shelters and not being treated
by and then working alongside that with the undocumented immigrants,

(48:23):
we should speed up the citizenship process. We should not
see them as aliens and illegal. As a matter of fact,
most of this land belongs to indigenous people, and on
the West coast belongs to the indigenous people from Mexico

(48:45):
and other places. Everybody here came from somewhere. We came,
you know, by way of force enslavement, kidnapped from Africa,
and the rest came from Europe, so I think we
should not use that term. Illegal aligence is undocumented immigrants
and there is a way that they can be dealt with.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
All right, Charles, and thanks for schooling the family on
that one as well. Thank you, Because the illegally Aian
concept comes is you shually use The Trumpsters are using that,
so it tells you you know where you're coming from
when you use that term, you correct their undocumented immigrants
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to
seventy six. Keep that number handy gun needed for our
next set of guests, Reggie Thomas and Wayne Gilmer to

(49:29):
New York media analysts. But Charles, before we let you go,
what you see in the future for New York City
is just because some people are you know, say it's
going to be disastering. Now with man Donnie in the office,
do you see do you think it's going to go
down the tubes or is New York City too big
to fail?

Speaker 7 (49:45):
Well, it's not going to go down the tube. Some
of us are going to be organizing to hold him accountable.
And just like you talk about a red way and
then a blue wave, but we need a black wave
and get more of us involved. I'm hoping out of
this election we can build our coalition to hold folk
accountable and to organize for power and not just abound issues.

(50:07):
So I think New York City is going to be
one of the most interesting places to be. I think
the face of the Democratic Party is not what we
should be talking about. We should be talking about independent
black structures, whether we run in Democratic primaries or the
General Assembly, a general election with an independent political party.

(50:30):
We should now look at the fact that this duopoly
government of Democrats and Republicans has failed the American people.
Right now as we speak, they're in a historic shutdowns.
People are being fired, losing their jobs, people are losing
their healthcare, people are losing their food stamps. If that benefits,

(50:53):
both parties are responsible for this, no matter what faith
you're putting on the Democratic Party, and that's why America
is ripe for radical systemach change, for revolution, and people
should not consider his victory as our victory. The struggle continues.

(51:13):
We're going to have to be more intelligent and vigilant
than we've ever been before. Were in for the fight
of our lives, and we should cease the time and
meet it all right.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Thanks Charles, thanks to your thoughts, you mining and thanks
for your expertise, and you know running for races on
the city Council in New York City as well.

Speaker 7 (51:33):
Thank you, thank you man, Appreciate you all right.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Family. That was Charles Barron and former New York City
lawmack And also represented the Brooklyn section of the city
in Albany the capitol. And as we mentioned in Albany,
New York now has the first black mayor, Dorsey Alpers.
She's the first female, first black mayor in this Albany,
New York. So this is some changes taking place, all right. Family.
That's bringing our next two guests. Both of them are

(51:57):
media analysts, the Reggie Thomas Andane Gilman Grand Rising. Reggie
and Wayne, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 10 (52:05):
All right.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
I got a question for you both of you, fellows.
So let me start with Reggie. First year, your assessment
what happened last night? Was it a blue wave or
was this or the government shutdown had something to do
with how people voted?

Speaker 10 (52:19):
Reggie short of the government shut down had something to
do with it. But I told you the other day
that that my Mam Donnie was gonna win. I thought
that that uh ma shoe was gonna do her thing,
and so was uh spamburger. Uh And this shutdown has

(52:42):
a little something to do with it. Of course, people
not being able to uh can get for the federal government.
But you know, one of the things that you got
to remember is that dose happened. Amount of people that
lost their jobs. You got who are losing their farms.

(53:02):
You know, you got farmers that have had their farms
and their families for one hundred, two hundred years that
are losing it. They under Biden and Harris, they were
getting these subsidies to be able to make their farms
more sustainable. Executive comes in now and cuts all of

(53:23):
that out, and these people were left on the hook
having to pay my back that on money. The federal
government said that they would help their pay and they
were reneged. And many of them still to this day
don't understand what happened. You got farmers out there still
talking about by now or still referencing it. Well, Fay

(53:45):
said what happened to them as the federal government, No,
that's not what happened. That's not what happened. So you're
going to see more of these types of elections as
times over. And we talked the other day and and
kind of like kind of figured it out whether or
not we're gonna absolutely have a midterm election.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
You better believe is on.

Speaker 10 (54:12):
And topping right now that there is a coalition trying
to figure out how we don't get to the term election,
because this is really indicative of which direction the country
wants to go. They don't like what they're seeing. They
don't like watching their neighbors and friends and family members

(54:34):
getting taken off the streets and set to foreign countries,
or put in jails, or having kids being afraid to
go to school, all of these things. And I said
these other day that I was a little concerned that.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Because I want to get Wayne's at the piece in
here as well, Because Wayne, he talked about immigration. You know,
for the folks who were doing the polling said that
wasn't that that was a major issue for most folks.
It was the economy.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
So what say you, Wayne, Well, I have to agree
with what Reggie's saying, and I'm certainly in agreement with
most of what brother Charles Bryan and brother Man too said.
Your previous guest on you there that you know, it
was a referendum on the current administration with respect to

(55:27):
what happened here in New York, what happened across the country.
There was a need to just push back and I
just feel I mean, I am a Democrat, you know,
I've always voted democrat. I mean, there are times when
I feel more independent because of all the issues with

(55:48):
different particularly candidates that we've had. But when I look
back at everything, this was the confluence of all the
events that have gone on since this man taken office
in Washington, d C. And you know, I am not
as optimistic about what's happening here in New York City.

(56:11):
I'm not saying that man Danny does not have a chance,
but he certainly's got his work clet out for him.
You know, it was interesting how young people and I
was young once, I gravitated towards people who identified with
certain issues, and I you know, applauded at that particular time.
But New York is a very, very multi faceted situation

(56:37):
in terms of government, and I felt that Brother Baron
really illustrated some of the things that are historically that
have gone this There's been there's been greed, nevers going
back for years in both parties, you know, and that's
not going away. But what I did see is that
there has been a change in the democrat in the

(57:00):
demographics here locally, and there's been a burgeoning group of
Muslims from all parts of the world, Hindus, and they
looked at someone who was running and identified with so
much in terms of different nationalities, different places where he

(57:22):
campaigned that you know, the legacy political era is over.
You just can't go out there. And because your last
name was Cuomo, think that it's a given that you're
going to be elected. So I know, I'm dancing all
over the place, and I'm hoping that I'm answering specifically

(57:43):
what it is that you've asked.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
All right, let me go back to Reggie again. Reggie,
because you know, they were threatening that the billionaires and
the millionaires are going to leave New York City and
Manhattan is going to be bankrupt and the city is
going to go down to twos because of this election.
Do you think it was that an idol threat? You
think that's going to happen, that the city will collapse
now that they have a democratic socialism there.

Speaker 10 (58:06):
Absolutely not. That's that's that's foolishness. What will happen is
that just like when the current administration in Washington came in,
they'll be as bows, bens and bowls.

Speaker 11 (58:24):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (58:24):
And that will also happen in Manhattan. It will happen
in Brooklyn. Uh, It'll happen in the New York metro area.
Because even though Nannie is the will be the is
the may elect for the five boroughs, the surrounding areas

(58:45):
are also affected, whether it be New Jersey or National
Suffolk or West and some of the other counties above that.
So no, I mean, I don't agree that that that
will happen.

Speaker 6 (58:57):
There are people.

Speaker 10 (59:00):
Like a size Why don't you remember during the pandemic,
there are people left New York and moved to Florida
and they could work from home and if they had
a meeting, they got on the flight. Two hours they
were in New York City and able to have good
meetings and then go back. But I don't think it's
going to be a mass exodus of wealthy people leaving.

(59:25):
They may have to make some adjustments, all right.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Hold, I thought right there, sixteen after the top, they
got to take a quick break and we'll come back.
Wayne question for Wayne and about the politics of that
happening yesterday. The voting trends will sure that the Richmond
County Staten Island went for Cormo. At some point they
were talking about they would want to seceed from the
New York City. I want I guess Wayne's thoughts on that.

(59:48):
Family YouTube can join our discussion with our guests to
Reggie Thomas, Wayne gim them their two media analysts from
New York City. Reach out to us at eight hundred
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take your phone calls next and family, thanks to waking
up with us on this Tuesday morning, Wednesday morning, actually
say day after election day. With our guests, the Reggie Thomas,
Wayne Gillmen, they're both media analysts out of New York City.

(01:00:09):
We're reflecting on what happened last night and the winning
of man Donnie taking the ladies. Now Mary elected of
New York City and looking at the polls and the
question opposed to Wayne, the Cuomo got must to hear
support on Staten Island and they would talk about Staten
Island is a seat moving away from New York City
as one of the five bars. So, Wayne, do you

(01:00:31):
think this does this indicate there are two Americas, there's
a suburban and urban America.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Well again, Staten Island Borough Richmond is part of the
five boroughs of New York's that make up New York City,
and it has more of a suburban field out there,
is not as densely populated as other parts of the city.
But it's also a major Republican stronghold. And you have

(01:01:00):
to take back what's happened in the last seventy two hours,
forty eight hours. Coming out of the White House, Trump,
you know, gets in the air and he starts talking
about supporting Cuomo publicly. Elon Musk gets on and he's
throwing his support behind Cuomo, like as if his image

(01:01:21):
and all he's been through is going to make a
difference in the contest. But what I was really surprised
at how close, because the polls had Mandanny twenty five points,
some of the thirty points ahead of his competitors, and
there was still a lot of support for Cuomo. I'm

(01:01:41):
certain if Curtis Lee were who basically not to minimize
what we do in the business. But he's a talking head,
you know, he's been in radio for a thousand years,
he's been a local activist, and he basically espouses the
points of the Republican Party their beliefs. But I don't

(01:02:03):
think the average voter out there has taken him seriously
about a lot of the campaigns and he started, and
of course there was this big push to get him
out of the contest. But when you stop and look
at what was going on with Cuomo in the last
stretch of this campaign, he only lost by nine percent.
For what I've been reading to Me'm Danny, So there

(01:02:26):
was still a lot of people out there, and I
believe there were a lot of people in our community,
in the black community that felt, well, you know, with
all the scars that that Cuomo had been through, better
to deal with the devil that, you know, the one
that you don't know. You know. I was hearing that
locally on the air here from a number of people

(01:02:49):
who felt, well, you know, this would have been a
better choice. So we'd have to wait and see. I mean,
young people have made their voices heard, and they came
out in droves and uh and as I said, there's
been a dynamic, seismic shift in the demographics here and

(01:03:10):
there are people who, you know, those who supported Kamala Harris.
South Southeast Asian community came out in record numbers to
show their support for this gentleman.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
And Wayne, Wayne, I mean, I'm sorry, I got to
ask this because somebody's just sent me his tweet about that. Adrian.
I haven't talked about sister Adams. If she's yeah, and
she's black and black female, why didn't she get supported
black community?

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Hey, you know, I really I can't answer that. I Uh,
you're talking about Adrian Adams, right, the city council person.
That is an interesting contest. I hadn't really had a
chance to look at the results there, but I know
that she was being challenged by the pre candidate, uh,

(01:04:03):
a city council person who held that seat, and you know,
there they may have a lot to do with basically
what he did how he lost office, because I think
his name is Ruben Wills. He that district covers a
lot of Southeast Queens and before he got into some

(01:04:31):
he was clear of whatever malfeasts he was accused of.
But the deal is is that you know, he was
very vocal, you know, he wanted to get his seat
back and he felt that the system had did him wrong.
I remember interviewing him for a podcast that I do periodically,
and it was it was interesting to hear what happened.

(01:04:52):
He was the first person who basically exposed on a
on a national basis, some of the activities that were
going on in in the prison complex upstate New York
where uh, there was a gang of of white prison
workers who basically, you know, beat to the point where

(01:05:16):
the victim of the beating died in prison. And there
were others who were aware in in lock up, who
were aware of Reuben's background as an elected official, and
they begged him, please expose what's going on in this
particular prison. So, I mean, he had an interesting uh

(01:05:39):
uh situation that he came out of, and maybe voters
in that district felt that he was worthy of another
of another term. You know, I thought Adrian Adams had
done from from my perspective, you know, but I'm just
really surprised to hear about the lost They didn't didn't
know that was going on, and and and anyways, the

(01:06:01):
Ruben Wills history is almost cuparable to what Usef Salam
went through where you were falsely accused of something served tonight,
you know, condemned by the current President of the United
States calling for his death, and he comes back politically,
runs for office as a member of the city council

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and was elected.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Right, that's the story. Come Backstorty. Twenty six minutes after
top there, family just joined us. I guess the voice
you just heard is Wayne Gilman along with Reggie Thomas,
a media analyst out of New York City. And Reggie
a question for you that sort of posted to Wayne
about the two Americas. And I'm looking at the rollout
now for the Virginia governor's race and he's sure where
Sponsburger who Spamburger who defeated win some Earl sears that

(01:06:48):
most of the Spamburger's volks are coming from the city
parks like Richmond, Virginia Beach and all Folk and all
that and the border close to Washington, d C. While
there's a sea of red that wins some Earl series
one in that race. So my question again to you,
do we have two Americas? The urban suburban.

Speaker 10 (01:07:08):
Absolutely in in Virginia. Uh you know Winsome Uh wins
Earl Sears tied her. She hitched her wagon to the
to the mega campaign, and and I remember watching the
uh they were interviewing people that were coming from the

(01:07:29):
polls after having just voted, and they said, you know
it was it was white farmers and and uh, you know,
Caucasians that lived in the in the in the the
more sparsely populated areas that they went with uh Winsome
Earl series primarily because she was a Republican first. And

(01:07:54):
then and then I remember hearing one said, well, you know,
it'd be nice if we had a black governor for
the first time, black female governor for the first time
in Virginia.

Speaker 12 (01:08:03):
I want to go back to a.

Speaker 10 (01:08:05):
Point, just to make a point, last night in New
York City was the largest turnout in fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Four years, right, that's right, six.

Speaker 10 (01:08:18):
Years nineteen sixty nine was the last time New York
City saw turnout like this. That's why how serious this
business is with what we're seeing now. Going back to Virginia,
Virginia has.

Speaker 13 (01:08:35):
A lot of of.

Speaker 10 (01:08:38):
You know, a lot of spars areas, but where people
make their money is in Loudon County, Alexandria, Arlington, Richmond
nrcho Hanover. Those are areas where you have that you
know that the other counties are just named. Are are

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the the neighboring counties to the city of Richmond, and
then the earlier ones that I mentioned, Arlington, Alexandria, Aloudon County,
those are bordered Washington, d C. They think, is is
that your areas by Blacksburg where uh uh, I'm not.

(01:09:29):
It's not Virginia State, Oh my goodness, Virginia tech.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:09:37):
That's a completely different area than it is in northern
Virginia or in the Richmond area. Your areas such as
Charlotteville are you going to find to be more red However,
your populated areas are the areas where Sandburg one, Arlington, Alexandria,

(01:09:59):
allow then Richmond handover henright go, Those are where she
really want because those are the most populated areas. The
other areas are asuncios where your farms are, your wooded area,
mountain areas in Charlottesville, areas like South Boston that's on

(01:10:21):
the way to Greensboro, North Carolina. It's a different, different
flavor down there. But as Washington grows, so does Maryland
and Virginia. So there you have it, and you're going
to see some other things happen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
And let this.

Speaker 10 (01:10:39):
Set down continue on, You're going to see those Virginians
get very, very upset because many of them work in DC, right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Many of them in the military as well, and then
not getting paid also. So Wayne, your thoughts You think
the shutdown had an impact on the Tuesdays results?

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Oh, certainly, especially even with the issue with step you know,
I mean, they're they're coming back now saying that they're
going to try to fund some of it for half
the month or what have you. I mean, it's it's sad.
And you know, I was in the post office yesterday
and I was talking to one of the people behind
the counter, and you know, and she's a person of

(01:11:22):
color from the Caribbean, and she's beginning to shift that
now it's just as much a democratic problem as it
is with the Republicans. I mean, they clearly see what
spawned all this. And and you know, the average person
out here, you would think that they're not paying attention,
but they are, you know. But it's come to the

(01:11:45):
point now where people are hurting and hopefully I mean,
I don't want to see my medical bills. I'm in
retirement then, and I you know, I do have a
little uh, you know, business on the side. But besides that,
you know, I'm affected like everybody else out here, and
God forbid, if somebody loses work, I have to fill

(01:12:08):
that hole one way or the other. And Reggie knows
what I'm talking about. It's it's just not easy. And
and I just think a cir you know, if if
Republicans are smart, and if if if Donald Trump, our president,
has a moment of clarity and looks at what happened

(01:12:31):
in this past contest, you know, and and see the
importance of getting people back out there. Not that I
endorse what they're doing, but I want to see that
the pain comes to an end. You know, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
So let me jump in here. So you think they'll they'll,
you know, and the government shut down now because of
the results, I hope.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
So I mean, I'm not saying that that's going to
be the case, you know, but I mean, I just
think we are now past what happened during his first term.
I think the record was thirty four days. Today makes
it thirty five. You know, people are hurting out here,
and I don't want it to get any worse than this.

(01:13:13):
And I fear that we may have to you know,
particularly the Democrats are gonna have to stay on the
ground because they're gonna want to see that. You know,
the Obama Affootable Care Act is left intact, that there
is an extension of that, and I'm not one to support.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
And let me jump in on that part too, Wayne,
because you know, they've they've been deriding the Obamacare afford
Healthcare Act, but yet they don't have a plan. They
don't have an They still don't after all these years.
They what's your plan? I think I think one of
these folks on TV are asking the Republican, well, what
is your plan? If you do you have a health plan? No,

(01:13:54):
we'll got We'll figure it out when we get the work.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
That's what he said during the campaign. And I was
watching a sort a snippet of Marjorie Taylor Green on
The View yesterday. She calls some members of her party spineless.
You know, I mean, there need to be more Republicans
coming out and just basically telling the truth of what's
going on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Right, all left thought right there at Wayne and Reggie's well,
twenty six minutes away from the top of the media analysts, Way,
Reggie and Thomas and Wayne Gilman, you want to speak
to them about Tuesday's elections. Reach out to us. At
eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight six, Thomas
has called us from Virginia is online one grand Rising, Thomas,
you're on with Reggie and Wayne.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
Grand Rising.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
We just witnessed a apocalypse last night and it's gonna
get even worse. For I mean, you've got the farmers upset.

Speaker 10 (01:14:55):
You have.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
If you google, this is very amazing to me. If
you google how many women lost their jobs in the
federal government, it says over three hundred thousand black women.
But if you say, if you ask the same question
to Google, how many black men have lost their job
in the federal government, it says data not found. Now

(01:15:20):
you're going to tell me there's no black men that
were laid off. So and they're saying it's a total
four hundred thousand total that have been fired from their jobs.
So you have that issue. You have the gas prices
have not went down.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
You have that issue.

Speaker 5 (01:15:38):
You have the craziness about Nigeria Venzeuela. You have also
the last one man what was the last one?

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Last one should be ice?

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
Yeah, you have you have the crazy ice raids. So
you know it's just gonna It's my thing is more,
do you Democrats have a plan?

Speaker 6 (01:16:06):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
You should be working on a plan because it looks
like you're gonna take back the White House. You're gonna
take back the House and the Senate. So do you
have a plan. So I just wanted to just add
that comment that our young people seem like they're getting

(01:16:28):
the big picture. Oh and last day I was saying
about the food stamps you took away the last you
attack the poor, so people have had enough this state.
And then the ballroom. That ballroom was like unbelievable to people,

(01:16:49):
like you actually gonna do that with all of this
going on, saying you don't have any money. Man. People
are tired, people are angry, but they need to get
on the Bernie Sander's message and let that be the agenda.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
That's it felt, Thanks Thomas, take a break before go
What Thomas is basically saying that Tuesday's results was a
referendum on Donald Trump and his administration. I get Reggie
and Wayne to chime in on that. When we get
back twenty three minutes away from the top day, our family,
we got to check the trafficking weather or not different cities.
You want to join this conversation with two of our
media analysts, Reggie Thomas, Wayne Gilman, reach out to us

(01:17:28):
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take your phone calls after the news update.
That's next And Grant Rising family, thanks for rolling with
us on this Wednesday morning and day after election day
with our guest the Reggie Thomas and Wayne Gilman. They
both media analysts out of New York City. We're looking
at the races, all the races. Was also looking at
the New York City race as well. Before we go
back then, we'll just remind you coming up later this morning,

(01:17:50):
we're gonna speak with the foundering and chairman and CEO,
John Hope Bryant. He's going to share some the financial
tips for us how can you be financially independent? Before
we talk to him, Faith was going to compare different religions,
not just Christianity, because one of them that teaches all
the faith of issues, and we're going to discuss that
as well. And tomorrow chematologist Tony Browner will be here

(01:18:11):
along with sixty civil rights activist doctor Paul Smith. So
if you are in Baltimore. Keep you radiar locked in
tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the
DMV area, we're on fourteen fifty w L. All right,
Reggie'm gonna throw it to you and if you guys
can show up on the response because we've got some
more folks who want to talk to you. Basically, the
last call of said that Tuesday's elections were a referendum

(01:18:31):
on Donald Trump's policies. What see you, Reggie?

Speaker 10 (01:18:35):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely, it was a referendum. There were people,
I believe that when I saw when I watched, you know,
the ebbs and flow of people that were coming out
from the polls in different parts of the country. I
think that there were people who didn't understand the word referendum.

(01:18:56):
You know, the question was asked, do you think that
you're voting in the way that you are reference to
them against Donald Trump. I think some of them just
didn't understand the words. It is absolutely a referendum against
this administration and against things that have been happening, and
that you know, the first thing that came out of
the box was Doge and all the people that lost

(01:19:18):
their jobs, and there and there, and there were people
who voted uh for this administration and didn't realize what
was in store. And I heard something the other day
and they said that that if you're not at the table,
you're on the menu. And that's what people found that

(01:19:39):
they they got ate up, uh because they were not
uh people were at the table. They they thought that
uh that you know, they were pointing fingers, these things
were going to happen to the other guy. And when
they're finding that it's happening to them, they lost their jobs.

(01:19:59):
Then now they to see their children, They lost their farms,
now able to pay the bills, and they have to
sell off the live stop.

Speaker 14 (01:20:10):
You know, really serious business.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
And he look right there, we got some more folks
who want to talk. Both of you brothers, Reggie and
Wayne thirteen away from the top down. Mike's in Washington.
DC's online two Grand Rise and Mike. He're on with
Reggie and Wayne.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Grand Rothers and.

Speaker 12 (01:20:27):
Mister Nelson and mister Kevinants and your guests. The Democrats
one point five trillion demands for reopen the government, two
hundred billion in healthcare benefits for legal aliens, repeal of
the billion rural hospital funds. What they do have to
fix permanent COVID subody without reform. Four million for Global

(01:20:48):
LBGTQ awareness campaign, four million for LBTQ democracy grants in
the Balkans, two million for Feminine Democrats and Principles in Africa.
This truck human through this in at the last second.
What happened, This is what's holding up thirteen times they
went in, sir, gentlemen, can try to reopen the government,

(01:21:09):
and they said they were gonna use the people as leverage.
That's not get that twisted. They said it themselves. They
used to people as leverage. So what happened in Northern
Virginia not expected. That's expected because Trump lost, that, Biden won, that,
Kamala won that. So Northern Virginia is all governments, so
they lost their jobs and which the cons So we
knew that was gonna happen. Anyway, New Jersey, uh strong

(01:21:32):
Democrats state, you knew that was gonna happen. Trump doesn't
have a chance in that. No, no Republicans had a
chance that at all. Also in California, I hope yesterday
California is going bro So also what's happened with that?
You're you're so right about the Healthcare Act with the
Obamacare Affordable Care Act. But see, the people don't understand
about the Affordable Care Act is that you know, millions

(01:21:54):
of dollars people, people are gonna the benefits are gonna
rise like crazy. But also the I mean the senators,
congressmen and congress women are stand to make billions of dollars.
The pharmaceutical compans billions of dollars off of this, billions up.
This should have been fixed long time ago. So that's
one a Democrat and republic is. So they're gonna make
a lot of money office, a lot of money, a

(01:22:15):
lot of money. People at the top, the poor people
and the protect first had to pay for this while
everybody else gets You can check the record all the
senators and the congress and the women that make the
money from these pharmaceutical comings right right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
I'm not gonna cut you just in the interest of time,
because you're just trying to repeat yourself. And I got
some more folks on to talk to Regie and Way,
and I like them to respond to what you just said.
Reggie Away, either one or you can respond to Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Well, Well, I spoke of the Affordable Care Act. I'm
going to agreement with him. I mean, the thing is
is that healthcare is extremely, extremely expensive, and as you
get older, things happened, and I myself, seven years ago
came down with some of them that I totally didn't
see uh happening to me at all. I was always invincible, ate, right,

(01:23:04):
did the right things, and then surprised, boom, all of
a sudden, you're you're dealt about of prostate cancer. And
then uh, you know, it's like a reality check. And uh,
at the end of the day, I just feel that
if I got to pay any more for my premiums
just to have the best of care. And that's the

(01:23:25):
problem with this country, you know, if I may say so,
this is just my opinion, but I mean the deal is,
we are the wealthiest planet in the world here, you know,
and and there is no reason why that we have
to shove out tons of money just to get the
kid the kind of kid that we that we get.

(01:23:45):
You know, you go.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
To that the the Republicans, they you know, they talk
bad about their Funal Care Actor Obamacare, you know, and
they dis like that, but they don't have an they
don't have a plan, they don't have a better plan,
and they've They've had what ten years to come up
with a plan. You asked me, You just asked them
moments ago, what's your plan? What's your better plan? They
still don't have a plan when it comes to healthcare.

(01:24:10):
That's one and two. Why are we the only country
that doesn't have universal health care? Why you go next
door to Canada, you go to Europe, they take care
of their people.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Why is this country?

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Why is it because big farmer, the pharmaceutical industry has
so influential that we have to pay exorminant process just
for health care. And this is what Obamacare was designed
to do. So those are the questions that we need
to be answered. You know, because people you talk to
Canadians about healthcare, a lot of people in who live

(01:24:44):
in the Buffalo in western New York here, if they
have to medically, they go across the bridge in Detroit.
So that's an issue that the country needs to tackle
instead of they don't like it because Obama's name is
attached to it. That's the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Oh, without question, I mean it's it's everything has been
about Obama. The ballroom is about Obama. You know, you
you know, I don't know what it is that they
in this obsession with him. I know that he wants
to leave his footprint because he's he's in the third
act of his life and you can see that his
health has declined the contrary to what his doctors are

(01:25:21):
telling him what have you. But the bottom line is
is that he wants to be cherished like as if
he was like the president that this country has never had.
And this is what it's been about. It's all ego driven.
The chaos that is going on is predicated on one's ego.
And it's just said, I mean, we're.

Speaker 10 (01:25:42):
Not a mom.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
We folks who want to talk to you. Brothers one
hundred and five zero seventy eight seventy six. Cliff coffin Connecticut,
he's online, one, Cliff, You're on with that, Reggie Thomas
and Wayne Gilman. Is Cliff Is Cliff there online? One?

Speaker 13 (01:26:00):
Yes, there's no question Grand Risings. There's no question that
in this midterm election that the Democrats where the black,
white green that you can win. So even as we
saw the black lady down to Virginia again for those
Negroes that loved Trump and the Republican Party, he wouldn't
even endorse this sister's sister seers, So she's left out

(01:26:21):
by herself. So here's my question and references the black
leadership in twenty twenty eight, who is a presidential candidate
for the so called black leadership?

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
All good question, you want to responded, I'm saying, let me.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
Hear with this.

Speaker 13 (01:26:39):
This, This is the reason. What I'm saying is that
if white Democrats can have an agenda with the Black agenda,
and the black leadership should do is support and make
Kamala Harris win. She can win easily. Any damn Democrat
can win at this point. So why won't the black
so called leadership convince Kamala Harris to have a primary

(01:27:01):
at least a black wall have a candidate that they support,
rather than jumping on the bad wagon. We're white democrats.

Speaker 11 (01:27:08):
Think of my call on.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Reggie Wayne. You want to respond to what Clift said,
I'm my.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
Feeling is like this.

Speaker 10 (01:27:15):
I understand where he's coming from, But right now we're
in such a quandary. I don't think that it is
you know that that that that black leadership is uh
is of Germane importance. Right now, I don't think it's Germane.
I think right now we need to get out of

(01:27:38):
the the the crazy staw that we're in and get
back out into the pasture so that everything goes back
to some semblance of what we're used to in this country.
What a lot of people don't understand is that what
we're seeing and what we're expancing right now was the

(01:27:58):
plan going back fifty year years ago with the Heritage Foundation,
and they're following the plan to order. That's the first
thing that every body has to remember. Now, he referenced
black people that voted for this administration, and you know,
a lot of people of what you'll find is that

(01:28:20):
there's a lot of people that don't understand the history
of the current executive, who is from New York but
you know, had his issues with with people of color,
especially black people, living in his apartment buildings and not

(01:28:41):
wanting to, you know, allow black people to work on
his real estate projects and his buildings. But this this
is a bigger issue. One of the things I saw
yesterday is that when they were endorsing Cuomo, one of
the people that came out and endorsed CMO with Stephen Miller.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
Steven Miller is.

Speaker 10 (01:29:06):
The White House seat of Scotus he's not a politician,
but because he's behind the scenes pulling the strings these
things that you see what's happening with Ice. They're beating
up people and snatching people. You know, they're using rental trucks.

Speaker 11 (01:29:26):
Right and hold I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Right there, Reggie, we got to step aside and get
caught up with the ladies trafficking weather in a different cities.
I'll let you finish your thought on the other side,
it's three minutes away from the top of they have
family speaking to with the Reggie Thomas, Wayne Gillen, both
media analysts out of New York City, discussing Tuesday's elections.
What are your thoughts eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six will take your calls after
the trafficking weather listen next and grind rising family. Thanks

(01:29:47):
for staying with us on this Wednesday morning and day
after the elections day. Our guest there was Reggie Thomas
and Wayne Gillener, the two media analysts out of New
York City, looking at the race and we're just about,
you know, flat out of town. We got a next
guest on deck, so won't be able to get to
all your calls and folks, and a lot of folks
wanted to talk with you guys. But let me just
finish up this, Reggie, because this is a tweet. It

(01:30:07):
says Grand Rising, Reggie, you've referenced the farmers describing what
happened as it was the government, but you did not
clarify to the audience or the farmers what it was
that you think they should see now as a more
clear reason that their farms are failing. Can you state
your insight of that? And Twetter goes on to say,
it's important.

Speaker 10 (01:30:27):
All right, So let's just take the bee farmers for example.
You got all these bee farmers in this country, and
forty billion dollars went to Argentina, and now we're getting
an influx of Argentinean beef in the country, and people

(01:30:50):
can't see directly as to what happened there. This was
something that the chief executive he gay forty billion dollars
Argentina and then told the beef farmers in the United States, Hey,
you have to bring your beef prices down because I'm
importing beef from Argentina into the country. To make you

(01:31:15):
bring your prices down. The Biden administration had a subsidy
program for farmers who wanted to make their farms more sustainable,
told them, hey, you go ahead and make the deals
with the banks and will help pay the loans back.

(01:31:36):
As soon as the administration changed, the current executives cut
all that away and acted like that former program didn't
even exist. Hey it's ending, it's done. And so now
you're farmers that are stuck with these loans and they
had to sell off their livestock to.

Speaker 12 (01:31:57):
Try to pay it.

Speaker 10 (01:31:58):
And if you don't have any life stuck, you can't
grow anything. You can't you can't develop. So many of
them are going to end up losing their farms. So
the thing is is that you have to look in
which direction it came from. I think that if Kamala
Harris had won, they would be in a situation. But

(01:32:19):
I think that a lot of what happened, uh, Conda
Mike was racist ideology. Uh in terms of not wanting
a black female as a president. Uh, not maybe wanting
a woman as a president and uh and it ended
up coming to bite them in the backside.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Yeah, because we just flat out of time for you
guys and apologize for all the people who are holding
a chance to ask your questions. Got another guests coming up.
But Reggie, I agree with you because we had the
president of the Black Farmers last week with us, John Boyd,
and they're going they're really going through it, you know,
for what they've been trying to do. They see white
South Aklan farmers coming in and getting free landing there

(01:33:02):
and their land is being taken away from them or
they lose its loan designs that were designed for them
to bust. But anyway, I thank you for bringing that up,
and I thank the tweeter for that question. And Reggie,
and thank you again, fellas, thank you I sharing your
thoughts with us this morning. Thank you all right, family

(01:33:23):
any time goes by five after the top. See doctor
j Egans is on deck. Doctor Edmonds, Grand Rising, welcome
back to the program.

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
Grand Rising to you as well. Thank you so much. Carl.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
You know this is post election day. What Christianity or
any of the religions that you studied did they go into,
you know, elections, do they talk about elections?

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
You know, it's an individual thing when it comes down
to politics and the elections and the mechanisms that are
the various you know, political mechanisms that are utilized in
a race. It's it's individuals. Some some I would say

(01:34:13):
far right, or some Christian fundamentalists actually imbriefs what they
feel are various parts of a politicians platform.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Let's let me get to it then, Doctor Edmonds, Doctor J.
Edmonds is a scholar. When he comes to religion, he
knows all the different religions. And this is what we're
going to do this morning, compare all the religions as
a doctor was the late Walter Williams Towe. So all
religions are man made. So we'll start on that preference
as first. At first, you agree with that all religions

(01:34:56):
a man made, Doctor Edmunds.

Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
You know, I believe that religions is man's effort to
reach God. Christianity is God's attempt to reach man through
Christ's big difference. But for the yeah, for the sake
of the discussion, I think that for the most part,

(01:35:20):
that which is defined as religion is basically man made.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
All right, let's let's start at the top. Ya, do
all religions believe that there is one God?

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
No, all religions do not believe that there is one God.
You have Hinduism, you have Buddhism.

Speaker 6 (01:35:41):
You have.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
Other religions that are centered around their perception of that
which is greater than they are and that which cannot
be seen, that is spiritual, and that there is contact
between the two.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
So what do they believe If they don't believe there's
one God, what do they believe in? Then what's the
central figure in their religions? And please name the religions for.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
Us, sure, no problem. You have say Hinduism or Buddhism,
which deals with that which is esoteric, that which cannot
be seen, but yet it is a continuing force to

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effect or have a positive impact on human creation, and
it continues, say reincarnation, one of the factors that are involved.
You know, basically put forward that one continues, the life

(01:36:58):
force of one continues until they reach Moscow or until
they reach Nirvana, and they when they reach that point,
then they become one with that which cannot be seen.
So the force behind it is not specifically defined as God,

(01:37:21):
I think called the reality of life has much much
more to do with that which is outside of the
scope of what people call religion. Every human being has

(01:37:42):
a perception of what life is to them and whether
or not there's something or someone greater than them, and
I think that is what is important to consider every
individual's position. You know, when I entered into studying were religions,

(01:38:09):
I wanted to make sure that.

Speaker 6 (01:38:11):
What I got from it was not something to.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
Defend my position, but I wanted to receive information and
knowledge about it. Whenever that particular entity was a religious entity,
I wanted to receive knowledge and information about it so

(01:38:40):
that I could understand why it was embraced the way
it was. We have a tendency as Christians to make
a statement of absolutism without knowing what absoluteism really is.

(01:39:01):
Every human being, every individual has a right to explore
what they believe is that which is outside of the
scope of their humanity and greeter and have their Let

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me throw this in.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
Here for your heir, Doc doctor j Edmonds's I guess
family twelve minutes after top Now we're talking about religion
right now, Doctor Edmunds. Do you believe that most of
well some of the what was written in the Bible
was actually stolen from our ancient ancestors in Egypt.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
I believe that there is a similarity in all religions,
whereas the comparison within itself is from a spiritual standpoint
pair what So you don't believe that the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
The attitudes as they call it, was taken from ancient ancestors.

Speaker 4 (01:40:12):
I believe that the the attitudes and UH and others
are that which actually would come forward when there is
a spiritual reference that is put that is brought.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
To I'm trying to understand you because you're saying a
spiritual reference, but we're talking about actual facts. And I'm
going to Walter Williams on you now, doctor these who
were on the walls in ancient Egypt. This is stuff
that our ancestors wrote about, and all of a sudden
decades later that you find him in a book called
the Bible. So I know you know that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
So you're saying, he's saying that the Christians sort of
a miraculousy just came up with with and I'm using
to be attitudes as an example. I should not kill them.
I have not lied all that kind of stuff that
they was called my heart. So you and you know
what I'm talking about. And some of the listeners understand too.
So you're not you're saying that there was it was

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It wasn't transferred wasn't stolen from our ancestors.

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
Yes, of course I'm saying that. When I'm saying that
is any particular religion that is put forward.

Speaker 6 (01:41:23):
There are a.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
Set of fundamental spiritual beliefs, and they generally deal with
what one should not do as a human or what
one should do as a human that would be pleasing
in the eyes and the sight of that which is
greater that which they worship. Number one Egypt, there was

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a sense of mysticism, which is outside of the scope
of religion itself as we know it. That's by the
list of gods and goddesses had specific functions, and no
doubt that there were various tenets that were written in

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hieroglyphics that were put forward for the nation itself. No
doubt that is that's what it's supposed to be when
you're dealing with that type of tenant. But nonetheless, it
always comes back to the spiritual attributes that which we

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as humans within this linear existence, are seeking to reunite with,
are seeking to identify with. That's what all of these
are attempting to embrace, from the very early.

Speaker 6 (01:43:00):
To the very latter.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
That's ask this question though, because you teach it religion.
Do you tell your students that all religions are man made?
And do you tell them that the person that created
these different religions.

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
Yes, we do a history on each one, and as
I said at the beginning, religions are man made. Christianity, however,
is not a religion. You see, Christianity is Man's is

(01:43:41):
God's attempt to reach man through Christ. Religion is man's
effort to reach God. And so there were and are
plenty religions. I think when we began to talk about
religion itself, it is what is required of mankind to

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do that which is right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
Doc, we'll step aside for a few moments. I guess, family,
we're talking about religion. Now you got a question about
any religion. Any religion is a doctor Jay Edmonds is
what he teaches, and he was telling us that it's
just something that I just found out. He says that
Christianity isn't a religion. I did not know that. Maybe
he can explain that better for me so I can
understand it. But it's seventeen minutes away from the top.
Now we got to step aside for a few moments,

(01:44:35):
and we've got some more folks want to speak to
doctor Edmonds, You too can join our discussion. Just reach
out to us. It's simple, it's easy. It's eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take your phone calls next. Okay, Yeah, my question because
because work with me now, because I thought that Christianity
it was just another religion, just like Hinduism, Islam or Judaism.
You're saying it's not it's not a religion.

Speaker 4 (01:44:58):
No, it's not a religion. Let me give me You
mentioned Hinduism as I'll give you the distinction here. As
I said, religion is man's effort to reach God. So
think about man initiating an effort to reach what they
think is greater than they are. So you're going to

(01:45:18):
have many diverse positions on that. As we were mentioned
about in Egyptology, the various gods that were set forward,
man sought to reach them, to reach out to them,
to get an opportunity to have some sort of relationship

(01:45:41):
with them. That's not so with Christianity. It was God's
attempt to reach human, God's attempt to reach his human creation.
And that is the difference. Even with Hinduism. I say
most of the people in the West with their Western

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way of thinking. To them Hinduism and other Asian views,
that are strange because we who live in the Western world,
we have a religious and cultural heritage, you see, that's
the difference. It's much different from that of the people

(01:46:26):
of the East. All of this have to be taken
into consideration. Western thought began in ancient Greece, when we
go back to that, and men like Socrates and Plato
and Aristotle, they saw the universe as that which had

(01:46:47):
a plan and had a purpose. They introduced that to mankind,
and mankind sought to embrace that and have an understanding
of that, to please that. And that's why these various
gods were set up in ancient Greece, and idols were

(01:47:09):
set up in ancient Greece, and they were given names
to see and that was their attempt, man's attempt. But
these ideas are only ideas when you get to the
point of and this is what sort of caught my attention, Karl.

(01:47:34):
Every human being has a perception that should not be discounted.
You can't say to any human being because you believe this,
you're wrong, that's wrong. You can't do that I mean,
you could say it, but it's not legitimate. Every human
being has a perception of what they think that is

(01:48:00):
is greater than they, or that which they discount. Some
don't believe at all that a god exists or that
which is greater exist or a creator exists. You have
to respect that, but you want to listen to that.
You want to dialog about that. You don't want to

(01:48:23):
basically trash it, poke hoes in it or even attempt to.
You want to listen as to why and how this
person is perceiving that. And so it is with religions,

(01:48:43):
the one decide. I give you an example, the Morbites
or the Ammonites. Their religion was predicated on what they
thought to be their god, and they would make sacrifices
to their god, human sacrifice vices to their gods. That
was their perception, you see. And so taking all of

(01:49:08):
this in together, what is the commonality that we have
the people who are listening now, Some are Muslim, some
are Hindus, some are atheists, some are gnostics, you know,
but does it discount And that's what is important. I
would like to hear what they think and how they

(01:49:33):
perceive life, because after all life itself is that common
denominator between all of us as God's human creation. So
what are we looking for Those who don't believe in God?
Then that's a conversation that need to be had, but

(01:50:00):
not to convince them that there is a God. It
is a conversation to be had because it's predicated on
their perception of that which cannot be seen.

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
All right, and hold on, all right there, Doctor Edmins.
So we've got some folks want to talk to you already.
Brother Corlis is reaching out t us. He's in Waldorf, Maryland.
He's on line one, Grand Rising, brother cos with doctor
j Edmonds.

Speaker 15 (01:50:25):
Grand Rising, My dear brothers, I do you appreciate doctor
Edmunds and his knowledge. I just want to ask you
a question from my own personal study. You know, from
the historical point of view. SGF. Brandon in his book
Jesus and the Zealous says this that the only thing

(01:50:48):
we know for sure, for certain about Jesus the Christ,
who also is known as you're sure Been Joseph and
also you're sure Ben Panther, is that he was crucified
by the Roman government as an insurrectionist against the government

(01:51:12):
of Rome. And I wanted to ask you if you
have any other knowledge or any could expound on that
for me and I have a quick follow up, my
dear brother.

Speaker 10 (01:51:22):
I appreciate you, Yes, Sir, a great question there.

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
You're sure been Joseph means the son of Joseph, which
connects Christ with that which is human. In other words,
there is a genialogy that can be followed. And that's
why the name you're sure been son of in the
Hebrew Joseph was used, and the writer, the author of

(01:51:48):
that book, placed that there for that particular purpose. Now
it is an inescapable fact that there was a crucifixion
of Yashua.

Speaker 6 (01:52:02):
That that is.

Speaker 4 (01:52:05):
An inexcapable fact. The problem comes, in, sir, with whether
or not he actually transcended debt and thereby bringing to
pass the saying that was actually placed years ago with
the mist raw that there would be one who would come,

(01:52:28):
and that would be one who would actually be would
rise from the grave and would transcend debt just as
much as what happened to set or an Egyptology, As
he rose again, Horace, as he rose again, just as much.

(01:52:52):
That's the comparison that I was speaking of with Carl
earlier that in all esoteric and and all religions there
is some sort of commonality when it comes down to that.
But back to your your your question or your comment

(01:53:12):
that was made. Yes, it is so true that it
happened that way. But the thing of it is is
one embraced that which the eyewitnesses experience. Now what eyewitnesses
that said, Yeah, we we saw him die, we saw

(01:53:34):
him nailed to that cross, we saw him placed into
the tomb, we experience being there when he was dead,
and we saw him after that. He appeared to over
five hundred of us.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
So the thing that for a second, doctor Evans, But
wasn't that our ancestors talked about that, the creation story
and the whole thing wasn't that was that plagiarized from
our ancestors. Then you're saying that somebody saw it, did
they create reenact? If you will.

Speaker 4 (01:54:10):
See we go. This is what I want to uh
bring to uh to the forefront on that issue of
pleasurism and all of that. There are similarities. That doesn't
mean that there is pleasurism, that Christianity itself is a

(01:54:37):
position that is pledgre that is based on pleasurism based
based on that which had happened earlier. It doesn't. It
doesn't mean that there are so many things that are
in contrast with the position of Christ and religion itself,

(01:55:01):
that it is apparent that there are differences and there
are similarities.

Speaker 6 (01:55:09):
Here.

Speaker 4 (01:55:10):
We're looking at not mysticism. We're looking at humanity Christ.
That's why I said earlier, yahsure, Ben Joseph was in
the flesh. Horace wasn't. Set, wasn't Ices wasn't I mean, wah,

(01:55:32):
wasn't They weren't in the flesh. These were mystical figures
that were regarded as godheads, and they were worshiped as such.
So if you start off with a mystical figure that
is regarded as a god, then what is it relative

(01:55:57):
to one trans which is not spiritual. But if you
start off with one experiencing that which is relative to humans,
then it has a totally different connotation to it. Because

(01:56:18):
we as human beings, know that there is a period
of time that we're born, we experience life, and guess
what we die. We can identify with that, But I
want you to try to identify with Horace, try to
identify with Set. You can't. There's no way that you

(01:56:39):
can because you did not start out as one that
was spiritual in nature relative to a god like form.

Speaker 6 (01:56:50):
And this is why we have the various.

Speaker 4 (01:56:52):
Religions that put forward for their tenants their starting position,
such as Mormonism, such as that which reaches into saying
that we started off as gods and then we live
this life as human beings and then we go to

(01:57:13):
the next life such as reincarnation for Hinduism or Buddhism.
That's why you see the positions as they are right.

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
And dog juisp fair. If you can show up on
the responses, I appreciate. They got a bunch of folks
want to talk to you, and he's twenty six away
from the top of the hour, Brother Collus, your follow
up question for doctor j Edmonds.

Speaker 15 (01:57:37):
Yes, real quick, Carl, this is by deduction. My own
perception and study is that the only whites in the
area there were Greeks and Romans and blacks. I mean
those whites were not crucified. So by deduction and other
things and geography, know that Jesus was a black man.

(01:58:01):
It would have been on the FB. I most wanted
this if he was here.

Speaker 4 (01:58:05):
You're absolutely You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right.

Speaker 15 (01:58:09):
Thank you, my dear brother. Appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (01:58:11):
Right, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
Brother Carlus twenty six away from the top of the
regis in Washington. He's online four grand rising Reggie, A
question for doctor.

Speaker 6 (01:58:20):
Edmunds grand riding.

Speaker 5 (01:58:24):
Uh, Brother, I think that the the I think that
the confusion comes in when we deal after Noah. I'm
sure you're clear on who Noah's great grandfather was. Are
we clear on me saying that that his great grandfather

(01:58:47):
was Enoch?

Speaker 10 (01:58:50):
That's correct.

Speaker 5 (01:58:50):
And the ark was built on Mount Ararat, and they
said God dwells on Mount Ararat, and that's where Moses
received the commandments on Mount Ararat. I'm just showing the
connection of Enoch. Enoch said the secret name revealed to

(01:59:12):
him of God was aravat a ararah a v A T.
And when it was asked to one of the Faith
brothers that same question, he said he had never heard
of that God. Now, I think that was a lie.
So why are we not talking about the secret name

(01:59:37):
of God and the God that was revealed to Enoch?

Speaker 15 (01:59:42):
Why?

Speaker 5 (01:59:43):
What's wrong? That's okay? Why we're coming up short.

Speaker 4 (01:59:46):
That's it, that's it, okay. Let's let's let's try to
not come up short. We don't want to do that.
I don't recall. I don't know, but perhaps you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:59):
I hold up the Doctor Edmunds because we come up
on a break. I don't want to break your rhythm
because I know you want to respond to Reggi's question.
And Reggie, I thank you for your question. We've got
to step aside for a few moments. We come back. Family,
you want to join this conversation with doctor Jay Edmunds.
Is fifty percent of the Faith Brothers reach out to
us at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
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(02:00:20):
and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on
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(02:00:43):
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we're going to be joined by chemtologist Tony Browner, sixty
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doctor Emas, I'll let you finish your response to Reggis quest.
So we still got a bunch of folks that want
to talk to and shut up on the answers. I'll

(02:01:03):
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (02:01:05):
I will do my best, Sir, Reggie. That was a
very intuitive question that is centered around Enoch. I just
want to just give you just a little bit more
information relative to Enoch himself. Enoch in chapter one of
the Book of Enoch, when we're talking about who he

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is and what he wanted to display, the word of
the Blessing of Enoch, how he blessed the elect and
the righteous who were to exist in the time of trouble.
He rejected all wickedness, he rejected all ungodliness. Enoch was

(02:01:54):
a righteous man who was with God. He and he
spoke with God while his eyes were open, and while
he saw a holy vision in the heavens, God revealed
to him concerning the holy angels. Now I wanted to
just speak toward the arc itself not built on Araq,

(02:02:21):
but it settled on Iraq when the flood subsided. It
settled there on Arac. All of the things concerning Enough
which God showed him existed because he walked with God
and God just took him. God translated him and took him.

(02:02:42):
He did not see death at all. And those things
were deal to him. And those things concerning the angels
of God in the time right after creation, those things
itself themselves were the things that Enoch was putting forth.

(02:03:02):
That's why you'll find him actually in the Book of Jude,
that only chapter. There is only one chapter in Jude,
and it speaks about Enoch himself. So I think it
is worthy to bring that up and bring him up
in all teachings as it relates to Christianity and to

(02:03:24):
understand what his purpose was and how God and why
God chose.

Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
Him all right. Sixteen away from the top of that,
Jerry's up next. Thea's Online five is coming from Southeast DC.
Grand Rising. Jerry, your question for doctor Edmunds.

Speaker 4 (02:03:41):
Yeah, Grand Rising, Doctor, I appreciate you, but some things
that I've been studying doesn't make sense. To me, if
we're all creations of this creator, in our perception and
understanding of the creator is where we are born, when
we are born, what culture we're born in. And also,

(02:04:04):
if you said earlier about God, Christianity was God's attempt
to reach man? If he created us, he doesn't have
to reach us. I mean just by who we are
as human beings. If he created the whole world, then
don't we all have a way or connection with him.
And I'm gonna wrap up with this. I believe this

(02:04:28):
is just my belief. I'm not really a religious person,
but unless you are a life study of history, anthropology,
a religion, and philosophy, you know the average person doesn't
have time to do that. So I believe that our
job he is to be the best human being you
can be. I don't wait for your response.

Speaker 6 (02:04:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:04:51):
Okay, that's a very very important question that's put forward,
and I think it's worthy of acceptation when it comes
down to that you said, and I'll say this succinctly
and brief you said, if God is God, he why
does he have to attempt to reach man? It is

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not for his sake, It is for our sake to
get to understand and know who he is. So it
is his attempt to reach us on the level that
we are. How do you do that? Through Christ? You see,
to reach us so that we can acknowledge who he is.

(02:05:40):
And I really applaud you for your transparency. You said,
you said, I'm not really one who you know engage
in that. But I would say to you, sir, that
the commonalogy is life within us. Life is a reality

(02:06:02):
that we cannot ignore. We should celebrate that life.

Speaker 6 (02:06:07):
Life.

Speaker 4 (02:06:07):
I answer, you can't die yesterday, the next second is
not promised to your life is life is right now
at this very moment, and that's what we are experiencing
in this life. God is attempting to reach us, to say,
acknowledge who I am and let me reveal to you

(02:06:30):
what I have for you. All right, That's what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (02:06:38):
Some more folks wanted to speak with doctor j Edmonds.
Anthony's calling from DC's online six Grand Rising. Anthony. You're
on with doctor j Edmonds.

Speaker 16 (02:06:47):
Thank you, thank you taking my call. I just got
one question for the the guests. I just want to
know if he followed the King James Bible, and if so,
what bible did our ancestors bottle before the Europeans gave
us the King James Bibelon.

Speaker 4 (02:07:06):
Great question, Sir, I think that the Bible is no
more than a collection of books written at different times
by different artists for the purpose of revealing who God is.
But the actual letters that were written, say, to Ethiopia,

(02:07:27):
there were letters that were written from those who were
eye witnesses of Christ, from those who had experienced that
which is outside of the scope of humanity, meaning the
miracles and things of that nature. They wrote certain letters
to various churches, churches simply meaning in the Greek is eclosia,

(02:07:49):
meaning the called out ones the believers. They wrote certain letters.
These letters were compile as manuscript and they were kept together,
and that's what we call a book.

Speaker 3 (02:08:05):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:08:05):
That which is within the King James was a translation,
and it translated from the language into Latin, first the
Latin Vulgate, and from the Latin Vulgate it was translated

(02:08:25):
into English. However, some of those translations did not include
what it's called transliteration. In other words, I can translate
a word, say if it's Spanish ola in English high right,

(02:08:46):
so the same thing apply Greek to English. If it's Greek.
Say spirit is English. In the Greek, it's numa. Well
in the Greek. Just to translate spirit the English word
or from the Greek rather to English is without the literation.

(02:09:08):
If I don't have the meaning the transliteration unless I
have the meaning in the Greek. Those letters that were
written to Ethiopia and to other places did not say spirit,
because that's in English words. It did not even say numa.
Within the context of numa, it said breadth living when.

(02:09:29):
So when someone says the spirit of God is within me,
they're actually saying, in the original context, the breath living
when of God is within me. So some of that
was left out, sir, in the translation itself, from various

(02:09:50):
people who were attempted to make these these these translations
of the letters that were written by the apostles and
by others to the churches.

Speaker 1 (02:10:03):
All right, ten away from the top, they are some
more folks want to speak to doctor Evans. I have
questions for him. Alex is calling from Alexandra, and Virginia
is online. One grand Rising, Alex You're on with doctor Edmonds.

Speaker 11 (02:10:15):
Saloon and shaloone to all the believers of the Torah.
All right, my question. Thank you, brother, my my, My
question to you is why haven't you speak doing This
is a confusing part for the people, But why haven't
you speak doing the the BCE and uh uh ce

(02:10:37):
and those who are not familiar with that, the BCE
that's before coming coming era and common yeah, coming era,
so correct. So if you read scriptures clearly, it clearly
states that Jesus came on this early four hundred years

(02:10:58):
after the Laura was written. So how can he be God?
How can he be God?

Speaker 4 (02:11:06):
That's a great question, sir. And actually it was a
little more than four hundred years. The Torah. Some people
think that were written in a short period of time,
but it was not. It took some time for that
because you have to understand that the Torah represents the law.
It represents what God stated from the very beginning. But

(02:11:29):
also within the Torrah you have the five books of Moses,
which are the Picpa Tuk, and God took time in
the process of reviewing that to Moses so that everything
else rests upon the Pentatuk. And from that that was

(02:11:50):
an establishment of the Torrah. And various acts that were
performed by Ezra, say well say by David and Solomon
and all that's built upon the pinkertook itself. The time structure,
it seems, and it's a very good question that you're

(02:12:13):
concerned about, has been adjusted and with no reason at all.
I found that very curious that it was adjusted, because
the manifestation of God, God was manifested in the flesh.
And that simply means that God, being a spirit, to

(02:12:36):
be manifested in the flesh, has to have a body
to actually integrate himself with his human creation so that
they'll know he feels what they're feeling. He didn't have
to do that, but he did it. That's why he
walked among us. Now, that body itself was prepared for him.

(02:13:02):
It had to be, as you know in the tor rocks,
there cannot be any unholiness. It had to be a
sure body, flesh that was prepared for him. And that's
why we have the virgin birth, uh, the one who
was a virgin who never experienced.

Speaker 11 (02:13:24):
But I disagree with that. I just I disagree with that,
that that virgin birth because we all as human beings
know that I'm the only way to conceive is between
man and woman. That that that's that's that's how birth
uh beguns right there. It's no doubt about it. There's
no such thing of No. No, I'm not even to
believe that part there, No, okay, because we all know

(02:13:47):
that that's that's true.

Speaker 4 (02:13:51):
That's fair, sir. Now let me ask this question because
I know you believe in God. I know you believe
that correct, because you believe in the Torah. Now let
me ask you that is anything too hard for God?
I'll ask you that question. God works outside but God
too hard for him? Yes, he works out Okay, he

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works outside of our of the scope of what we
can do or think that we can achieve. After all,
in the Torah it did say that God spoke the
Word into exist, the world into existence. He spoke these
things into existence. So if God is able to speak

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these things into existence, if he's able to actually take man,
according to Genesis chapter two, verse seven, from the dust
of the ground, breathe the roakh the Hebrew word, who
are breadth living like into his nostril, and man become
a living So how simple is is it for him

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to say, I will choose a body that is pure,
and my spirit will flow over that body and within
that body in the womb of that person will be
a holy thing. You think that's too hard for God
to do. It's not, sir, and I understand exactly when

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we attempt to see things from humanist to standpoint, we
will run into those walls. But when we go back
to as you have mentioned, the Torah and all of
the wonderful, magnificent things that God did by showing himself
strong in the Torah, in the Pentituch, we know there's

(02:15:47):
nothing impossible for God or with his power. He saved
Israel with his power. He gave them dominance over all
of the nations. He worked miracles in the wilderness. He
parted the Red Sea with his power.

Speaker 8 (02:16:02):
He did that.

Speaker 4 (02:16:03):
So it's a very small thing. Just as He keeps you,
he keeps eye, keep keep our keep me. We breathe,
we live, we move, We have our being in him.
Says to to lie in the Libiticus. The things that
we cannot do that God wants us to do. Christ
made sure that those things were covered our inequities, our inabilities.

Speaker 6 (02:16:28):
That's why.

Speaker 1 (02:16:30):
Doctor edmunds, we gotta step ausid and getting for a
few monts. We got stations can identify themselves down the line,
and when we come back. I got a tweeter one
of you know, did God create any other beings like aliens?
We got interesting audience this morning, three minutes away from
the top of our family. Speak to doctor j Edmunds
fifty percent of the Faith Brothers you can reach you
about eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy

(02:16:51):
six and we take your phone calls. Next and Grand
Rising family factually sticking with us on this Wednesday morning here,
first Wednesday in November. I guess it's doctor Jay had
been the Faith brother list before we left her hat
a twitter called into the studio wanted to know if
God created other beings like aliens. So what say you, Doctor.

Speaker 4 (02:17:09):
Edmands, I say yes to her or he whoever it
was it called in.

Speaker 3 (02:17:15):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:17:15):
There were beings that were in heaven, in that realm
that means outside of the scope of that which is linear.

Speaker 7 (02:17:27):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:17:27):
There were beings that were created prior to mankind, and
they were angelic, and Enoch names them. I hate to,
you know, shock some people here, but it is named
as to those beings in Enoch chapter seven, the Book

(02:17:47):
of Nuch. It said it happened after the sons and
men had multiplied in those days that the daughters that
were born to them were elegant and very beautiful. But
the aliens, the angels, the sons of heaven, looked at them,
and they became enamored of them, saying to each one,

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come and let us select for our own selves wives.
And they did, and they had children by them. And
it named some of these aliens, named some of these
angels angelic creatures. Samyazi was one of them. He was

(02:18:33):
the leader of them. It names them as to what
they did and how they did what they did, and
as a result of what they did, there were giants
in the areas at that time. Netholins. These are things
that these are ancient writings, the Book of Enoch and
other books that are mentioned in biblical scripture. And it

(02:18:58):
set forth that God created angel in heaven first, and
anything that is an ailing outside of the scope of
what we believe or what we call as normality. We
are simply humans. That's who we are. We're humans. We're
living in this dimension. Until something is presented to us

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outside of the scope of our understanding and our logic
and our philosophical concepts, we remain with this view. That's
why they actually crucified Jesus because he did things that
were outside of the scope of their human understanding. Who
walks on water? Who does that? He challenged humans to

(02:19:44):
believe that, who raises the dead, who hears the sick,
give sight to the blind? Who does that? It's outside
of the scope of our human thought and human understanding.
So what we regard if anything is outside of the
scope of our human understanding, we regard it being suspicious

(02:20:05):
as whether or not it is true.

Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
And that's why we had right there doc before after
the top there, because I got this tweet from a
brother says he's a Muslim, and he says that Jesus
was just another prophet like Adam, Noah, Moses. Are they
relegating I guess he didn't answer asked the questions. I'll
asked the questions because he mentioned that are they relegating
Jesus just to another prophet? Are they correct or are

(02:20:29):
they wrong?

Speaker 4 (02:20:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:20:31):
They are.

Speaker 4 (02:20:32):
They look at Jesus as being just a prophet, another prophet,
and Muhammad as being the last, final and greatest prophet.
But the question remains, what did Muhammad himself do relative
to that which is consistent with that which is outside

(02:20:57):
of the scope of our human In other words, Muhammed
actually received a message from that one of those aliens
that we were talking about angelic being and mount him
while in a cave, he received a message from Gabriel,
and Gabriel said, I want you to remember these things

(02:21:22):
that I'm telling you. So Muhammed received from an angelic being,
received from a celestial being, received from that which is
regarded spiritual. Whereas quite is that Christ well in the flesh.

Speaker 1 (02:21:44):
Yes, doctor, we've got a cutting Egg's got another guess standing.
But I just want to thank you for a flying
solo this morning with listen answering all our questions about religion,
because I know that's that's in your wheelhouse when it
comes to religion. That's what you teach. And some people
think you just know about Christian but you know all
of the religions. So we appreciate and thank you for
sharing your thoughts with us this morning.

Speaker 4 (02:22:05):
Thank you, sir. I really appreciate and appreciate your audience
for those questions.

Speaker 1 (02:22:10):
All right, family, we're going to turn that attention to
money now. John Hope Brien is joining us at John
Hope Brian grand Rising, John Welcome back to the program.
John's Online one, Kevin Living Legend Man. You're a living legend,
John John. First, before I get all the questions, how
did a guy from Compton make it to where you

(02:22:31):
made it today? Because some of our listens to this
is going to be the first time they're hearing you.
So I tell a family it's a brother from Compton,
I grew up in south central Los Angeles and he's
maybe it a pinnacle of finance. So John, how did
how did your journey start?

Speaker 6 (02:22:48):
Well, the journey began when, of course my mom and
my dad. My mother told me she loved me every
day of my life, and I believe it. My dad
headed own business and gave me a powerful sense of
yes I can. I later found out us to admitterate later,
but I didn't know that going up. So to my dad,

(02:23:11):
I got a sense of yes I can. World Modeley
my mother, I got a sense of yes I am.
Self esteem and identity. Those two things I'd lamp down
out later were absolutely key, more than almost anything else
in setting up your identity. Yes I am, Yes I can.

(02:23:33):
Self esteem, esteeming yourself, not be in love with yourself,
not you go tripping just loving yourself, holding complete knowing
that you're God's child and believing that and then take
from that. You know the story, Carl I was. I
went through trauma. My mom and dad divorced when I
was four or five years old in south central LA.

(02:23:56):
My mother moved with the girlfriend of hers to save money.
Was like I was like six. I remember the guy
who was the girlfriend of my mother's with the boyfriend
of my mother's girlfriend that we were staying with to
save money so she would buy a house. He saved
my life and I was drowning in my own liquidity.

(02:24:20):
I was swallowing my tongue on his portrait, falling backwards.
He got killed in front of me over money.

Speaker 3 (02:24:27):
Then I went.

Speaker 6 (02:24:28):
We moved to Content, she bought our first house in
Content one five five oh to South Freightly Avenue. Uh.
My best friend got murdered down the street from me
with my next one neighbor who was a drug dealer,
over money. So I got I began I understand how
important money was very early. It destroyed it built a
family network, you know, with my family owned the gas

(02:24:52):
station and that apartment building and all that stuff in
the home on a high school education because they hustled.
But my dad was initially illiterately lost every thing, including
the marriage. Then I saw two people murdered.

Speaker 5 (02:25:03):
All this was over money.

Speaker 6 (02:25:04):
The new money was important girl, But why weren't we
keeping it? And how is it that our pursuit of money,
even though black people were brilliant and are brilliant, we've
been doing so much with so little, with so for
so long. We can almost do anything with nothing. So
how has it been brilliant people? Carl h somehow we're
in the prison, probation, parole, death. How's that happening? So

(02:25:31):
one I became obsessed with money. That was one book
in the other book in my life, saw these book ins,
I told you, yes, I am, yes, I can Okay,
Now money is important. Okay, what's the other piece? Well?
I found the other piece was wealth. And wealth is
what you you know building your sleep. It's not just
financial wealth, it's mental wealth, psychological, spiritual wealth, emotional wealth.

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If you have that cup, that reservoir, it keeps you
from making stupid visions, so you don't win the battle
and losing war. You don't rearrange the tax years of
the Titanic in your life, you don't make silly decisions
and are short termism. And so when I was in content,
we owned that house and my mother in the house.
She worked that job had me down though it was

(02:26:15):
aircraft hourly, and she also had made handicrafts part time
and soul goes for extra money. So I saw my
mother hustle man. She wasn't lazy. And when she had
laid off at the job, she came to beat. She
would ask for whatever job was available in my school.

(02:26:36):
Janitor jobs available, I'll take it. The security jobs available,
I'll take it. Drove me nuts. But she was president
in my life. This is encompon. So I had this.
When I was nine years old. This banker, white banker
from Bang of America came into my classroom to teach

(02:26:57):
financial literacy with a class called off Whole Economics. And
he came once a week for six weeks, and all
my friends were laughing, joking, distracted because of my background.
It showed you my history. I was focused on, Okay,
what's this other piece? I know money's important. How can

(02:27:18):
we make it legally so I can get out the
hood permanently and take everybody with me? And I asked
the banker this question, Carl, I think it was nine
years old, nine quarter What do you do for a living, sir?
And how'd you get rich legally? And he said, I'm
a banker and our finance and entrepreneurs. I said, so,

(02:27:39):
I don't know what an entrepreneur. I've never heard that
word in my entire life, but whatever it is, it
is legal. I just recorded to put my own podcast
on telling this whole story and long form of people
want to listen to. Its my Money and Wealth podcast,
and you download it for free and it'll be out
next Thursday. I said it was legal, and you're financing it.
I'm going to be one and uh he sort of

(02:28:01):
laughed and chuckled the banker, but he sort of saw
the serious look at my face too, and I was,
you know, I was destined to figure out how this
guy got well. He had a car and the partner
a lot and had a tag on it was brand
new on told us he was dressed maca macularly dressed.
He had a suit on. He wasn't a detective, wasn't
a bad horrible looking suit. I didn't know this, like

(02:28:25):
Megan Marsham. So I asked the guy the last question.
Are there more of you? He said, there's many of
the bankers in America as wad. And your job is
to live poor people money. Yep, he said, And all
I gotta do is prove I can pay it back. Yep.
He's not racist, he said, Well I will ever thought
about it. I mean, but you know, not in what

(02:28:48):
we're talking about. I mean, I took a nice person
and it was you would lend me money if I
canna prove I can't pay it back. Yes, that's what.
We don't make any money untus. We lived it out,
he told me. And and I said, and I don't
get did murdered if I don't pay them money back?
And he laughed again. Call he said, why don't I
do that?

Speaker 15 (02:29:06):
You know?

Speaker 6 (02:29:06):
He like, no, we sure know there's a default, it's
a bank. After you give me a piece of paper, yes,
I said, Okay, I'm done. I'm in. And so you
know the rest of the story is, of course, as
you know, Carols quite detailed. But essentially my whole life
was formed by that one book. In the second one
was I took that experience and started my first business

(02:29:30):
the next year, which was the neighborhood candy house in Common, California,
and there was a black man who owned a liquor store.
So here the first world model was his white dude,
the banker. The next role model was this black guy
who owned the business of my neighborhood, a liquor store
and sol candy. And I went to the liquor store
on a kral and offered to partner with him. I

(02:29:52):
didn't even know what the phrase meant back then, but
this banker told me clock collaborations. I offered to join
ninsure with him, to say, this liquor store, candy shop,
this a little candy counter, and I was gonna put
him out of business. I told him if he didn't
partner with me, I was ten now, and he laughed
at me. People We didna laugh.

Speaker 8 (02:30:09):
People.

Speaker 6 (02:30:09):
People underestimate me at their own peril. And anyway, I
worked long enough for him to figure out where he
bought his products from the inventory. Quit opened up my
own business at ten years of age and literally put
him out of the candy business. He's still set in liquid,
but he wasn't selling candy anymore. So where I am
today is a founder was set. That foundation was set

(02:30:34):
by my mother telling me. She loved me, right, so
let's her agree. My dad showed me he was a businessman.
But that showing having hit me a payroll out of
front the front door of the house did stay in
my brain. There's these two role models, this white banker
and this like businessman that you know challenged me and
sort of poked the bear and showed me a way

(02:30:54):
out of the hood. And if you look at what
I'm doing now, it's a scale car, including the deal
that I've just announced three days ago for two hundred
and fifty million dollars affordable housing let CIM Group out
of Los Angeles, all the businesses, my philanthropic work, it's
really it's sophisticated now and all that kind of stuff,

(02:31:16):
and that I have hundreds of employees and we're the
biggest of the country of what we do in three categories.
But it was it shows that anybody listening to your program, brother,
can do it. I mean, there's nothing I just said.
It's rocket science. You don't need to create an app.
You can't ai what I'm talking about. In other words,
the artificial intelligence is not going to took me out
of business. You don't need to be a genius to

(02:31:37):
do what I just said. You don't need to be
a physicist. You don't need to have an advanced master's
or doctor degree. Do what I just said. You know,
if my friend Telly wrestler, who want to get my
mount hawks what my business partner says, if you don't quit.

Speaker 3 (02:31:51):
You can't fail.

Speaker 6 (02:31:52):
I just never quit. I was nosy. I put my
head down and I didn't pull my head up to
be distracted by my broke friends. If you hang around
nine both people, you'll be the tenth and a lot
of my well intentioned friends they met well, Carl, they
met well, they were broke man. So I don't listen
to both people. I don't get advice from broke people.

(02:32:15):
And you know, do some very basic principles.

Speaker 1 (02:32:19):
Uh, I know that thought right there, John, we gotta
step aside for a few moments, Okay, because you heard
what he said, don't hang around with broke folks. Seventeen
minutes after the top of the I'm gonna come back.
John's gonna help us out because a lot of people
listening to us at governor employees have been laid off, furloughed.
If you will, may not had a chance to go
back to work and he's going to help us out

(02:32:39):
with that and also talk about some of the programs
that he has in his portfolio that you can get
involved as well. As I mentioned it's seventeen after the
top day, I would take your phone calls for John Hope,
Briant next and Grand Rising family. And thanks for rolling
with us on this Wednesday morning day after the elections.
I guess it is John Hope Brian. John is a
financial advisor to say least, is very successful in what

(02:33:02):
he's done. And John, before the break, I asked to
howl about some of our folks here in the DMV
area in Baltimore or government workers have been laid off
or furloughed and not knowing where the next bill is
coming from and snap programs are stopped. You see all that.
You know what's going on in the news. What can
you do for them?

Speaker 6 (02:33:19):
John? Yeah, First of all, I'm not a financial advisor.
Just causes really clear about think I'm not a licensed
to any of that stuff. I'm an entrepreneur, I'm a businessman.
You didn't call me a Philantha bid sir. I'm a
problem solver, yes, and I'm not a just clear amount
of financializer. My people who work for me, Carl, they
are financial coaches. They're certified in financial coaching at Operation Hope,

(02:33:41):
and I am willing to give a one thousand dollars
coaching scholarship for services which allows them to get access
to my people with expertise for free. For anybody listening
to this program, they can download the Hope in Hand
app or go to my Operation Hope website or call
eight eight eight three eight eight Hope and tell them

(02:34:06):
that John Brian Carl Nelson sent them and we will
give them initially a one thousand dollars credit for financial coaching. Again,
nothing out of their pocket. And then they need additional
help again and the excite your name and my name
up to five thousand dollars in additional financial coaching. Again
no money out of their pocket at no time, whether

(02:34:28):
there be any dollars out of the people's pockets. This
is not We don't charge for our services. We select
who are going to provide services to based on the
sincerity and the need, but we don't charge people. I
raise money myself at Operation Hope so that I can
offset the costs of providing these services to our people.

(02:34:50):
So I have offices in forty two states, and I
yes have offices in Maryland and in Baltimore. So folks
are going to have issues where the credit card companies
are well, we can talk and negotiate on their behalf
with the credit of our companies to give them some
to buy them some time. People don't know that in situations,
whether it's a presidential emergency, a natural disaster, or a

(02:35:14):
man made emergency like this ridiculousness in Washington, that credit
our companies in major institutions are obligated and or just
in you know, it's it's in their best interest to
negotiate a delay in any pursuit for payment for it
doesn't do them any good to throw somebody against the

(02:35:36):
wall economically and force them into a situation where they're defaulting,
and in this situation is not their fault, and so
we can advocate on their behalf. We've got the credibility
to talk to landlords, to talk to credit our companies,
to talk to debtors in general, warners companies. That's something

(02:35:57):
we have been doing. We did the two thousand eight
mortgage crisis, We've done in every government shut down. We
do it in natural disasters. This is something we do.
It's not just helping people get qualified in good times
and helping people restruct their lives like this in tough times,
so we can basically get the pressure, help get the
pressure off of them financially so they can breathe until

(02:36:21):
this government shutdown is over, which is hopefully so.

Speaker 1 (02:36:28):
All right, family, if you didn't get that number where
we repeat it before John leaves us. But John and
Monte's calling from DC has a question for yours online too,
Grand Rising, Monteo and John.

Speaker 7 (02:36:37):
Hope Briant, Grand Rising, car thanks for having me, Yes, sir.

Speaker 11 (02:36:44):
Your question for John, Oh, good morning, good on.

Speaker 14 (02:36:47):
I was calling because I wanted some financial advice, Like
I've been saving and studying for a while and listening
to the show, and I wanted to know is just
a good time that basically for me into the markets,
because I'm trying to do something like what you did
and help me first in my family and my neighborhood,

(02:37:07):
you know, in the community, you know, to try to
be fighting finanswer your literary and I want to know
just a good time you know, to join the market
or an invest or, you know, just some strategy.

Speaker 6 (02:37:20):
So, first of all comm commendations to you, my man.
I was smiling from here to ear as you talked
about the steps you've taken, uh to foundation in your life.
I love that everything you said is right on. You
can't help anybody else unless you help yourself first. The first,
the first philosophy of poverty eradication is make sure you're

(02:37:44):
not poor yourself. And uh so I love that you're
being focused on a savings plobal program. Get your credit,
get your consumer credit under control, save a little bit,
you know, make sure your alfloaks that doesn't need your
inflow or otherwise your overhead over your downfall. You've done
all that stuff. You have the right mindset, your being focused,

(02:38:05):
and there's always oh my god, man, your credit score is.

Speaker 7 (02:38:12):
Man's been doing my work.

Speaker 11 (02:38:14):
I've been doing my work.

Speaker 6 (02:38:15):
Fantastic. That's fantastic, brother. But I Carl when I go
through airports now the TFA agents who are now working
for free, by the way, at the moment, God bless them,
TFA agents are screaming their credit score.

Speaker 4 (02:38:27):
Is at me.

Speaker 6 (02:38:28):
Yo, John lying, man, I'm six fifty, I'm seventy forty.

Speaker 4 (02:38:31):
That's cool.

Speaker 7 (02:38:32):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:38:33):
We got to make this the new civil rights issue
in our community is financial literacy is a civil rights
issue of this generation. It's as important it's the right
to vote. In Your credit score might be as important
as a four year education might be. And this brother's
credit score over eight hundred. He's in the top, you know,
five percent of the whole country. In fact, his credit

(02:38:53):
score is better than mine. I carry my different orders. Yes, yes,
my credit score is about two seven eighty five, So
you're doing better than me.

Speaker 7 (02:39:02):
Brother.

Speaker 6 (02:39:03):
Now I am text and for context, I have to
you know, for dance. You know, when I'm traveling around
the country, I put the organizations, my nond pop and
my full profit. I put all their expenses on my
credit card and I get reimbursed at the end of
the month from the different organizations. So the credit bureaus

(02:39:25):
look at my heavy credit card debt and wonder if
I have some kind of a drug addiction or something.
Because it's so much. I pay it down, but it's
a lot. So because I have I run balances, even
though I pay them down, I get deemed for that.
It's looked at my credit score right now it's like
seven eighty, So you are twenty five points better than me.

(02:39:48):
And that is brilliant. And you are in the top quartile.
If you aren't married, somebody's gonna want to propose to
you real soon. Protect that credit score with your life.
Don't let anybody mess it up, and check it every
few days. Okay, less Number one, great job. Number two.
There's always opportunities in the marketplace to invest always, but

(02:40:10):
be careful, please don't do so. There's three budgets you need.
You need a living budget, you need an investment budget.
You need a sort of a speculation or I call
a bleeding budget. Do not do number three before you
do one and number two. So cryptocurrency, which people think
I'm against, I'm not. I just don't like speculation when

(02:40:30):
we are not handled the basics. I would not invest
in cryptocurrency unless you've done well number one and number two.
Most cryptocurrencies have gone bankrupt. Actually there's only one people
talk about, which is bitcoin. But there's twenty thousand of
them and most of them would bust. And a lot
of it is people who look like us who thought
they were going to get rich quick. So I would
do some foundational They are also going to get in

(02:40:52):
the market, and I am in the market. I do
think the market is a little frothy right now. I
think the market is a little heed it, and there
will be a market collection at some point. But I
still invest in things that I buy. So I go
shop it. I'll say it. I go shop at a Walmart,
I buy Walmart stock. I go shop it. You know,

(02:41:14):
I wear under armor, I use Apple products. You think
about the stuff that you have in your life that
you have confidence in, that you use every day. Go
buy those companies. Buy a little bit of it. Buy
it modestly, put it, you know, put it aside, do
not sell. I buy and I release. I buy good stuff,

(02:41:34):
and I put it in my portfolio and I forget
about it. I don't day trade. I don't sit there
and you know, try to time and market. I think
that's a mistake. You can also buy fractional shares, which
means you can buy if you have twenty you only
have twenty bucks to invest, and it's a two thousand
dollars share, you know, put a fractional share account. My
team at Operation can help you figure out which account

(02:41:55):
to open. We don't guide you on stocks, We don't
tell you which whatever you know it's bad to use
whatever we give you the different choices. We empower you
and you make the choice. But you pick a fractional
share company and for ten bucks, twenty bucks, one hundred bucks,
whatever you've got, you can buy a percentage of the
best stocks in the world. And here's a little thing
that nobody tells you. Once you buy one share of

(02:42:18):
any stock, that company owes you access to all their financials,
all of them. So now you get to look inside
of some of the smartest companies in the world and
learn how they're running things, and to use that as
a model to run your own life while they're making
money for you, as you're now an adjuster. So I
would encourage you to do those things. Stay, protect your

(02:42:39):
credit score, ignore the noise in your life. Stay focused.
People are not going to understand you. Ego zone line pacts.
Buy something you're familiar with and you use all the
time a foundational stock, Buy and hold. I do the
same thing with real estate. I don't flip real estate.

Speaker 3 (02:42:55):
I buy it.

Speaker 6 (02:42:56):
You don't own a home, buy a home as you
can because real estates is going to go up in value.
You know, real estate, there's three things that have never
gone down in the Remember history, over time, GDP, gross
domestic park, the income of the country, real estate values,
stock market values. They go up. There's a recession, they receive.

(02:43:19):
That's what recession means, by the way it recedes, all right,
because there's because of large leaders have made dumb moves,
or the economy has gotten over ambitious, overly ambitious, or
greed took over. And then what we do typically we
sell on the dip. We get freaked out, and we
sell good assets, and then the economy recovers and it

(02:43:42):
corrects above the line. So you're gonna be better off
if you hold on the good stuff, good stocks, the
real estate, good businesses, and you just ride it through.
It had every time recovered more valuable than what the
loss was.

Speaker 14 (02:43:58):
So those are my advices, and I appreciate your advice,
and I'm definitely on that three step program. I've already
divided my incomes up. That's why I said I'm ready,
because I've already got my regular income, my savings, and
i got my income that I'm ready to invest with.

Speaker 6 (02:44:18):
So you're on the track. You obviously pay attention to
me and me and missus Nelson looking in my part.

Speaker 4 (02:44:24):
I heard you.

Speaker 6 (02:44:24):
My people are Operation Hope.

Speaker 14 (02:44:27):
Yeah, I heard you maybe three months ago when you
came on and you was said the same thing, by
what you used in your house, and yeah, I started
with that route right there, looking at the things around
my house that I use every day.

Speaker 6 (02:44:41):
Beautiful. You give me hope, man, You give me hope.

Speaker 1 (02:44:46):
Twenty eight away from the topice, I thank you. Called John.
Let's let's talk about the Hope Global Forums that you're having.
Can you explain what those are?

Speaker 6 (02:44:56):
Yes, it's already a capacity actually, which is the it's
more than a month out, but it's about a month
out December one through third here in Atlanta, Georgia. People
can still sign up to even request to be a delegate.
You can't. You cannot pay to come to this meeting.
You cannot invite yourself to this meeting. You have to

(02:45:16):
be invited to this meeting as a delegate. It is
the largest meeting for the empowerment of the underserved in
the world, and I founded it as part of Operation Hope.
Has been going on holy meetings for about twenty years now.
In the last eleven years has been done here in Atlanta,
which is the moral capital of America. My wife calls

(02:45:40):
it the Black Waconda. But it's about five thousand delegates here.
They come to Atlanta, and about fifteen million people watched
it online last year. And we have some of the
biggest leaders in the world that'll be with us. And
if people go to whole Global form dot org or

(02:46:02):
just search that on their phone or on the internet,
they'll see a list of the speakers. The listen so
long that I can't to walk you through it without
wasting Dieu time on this program. But if many of
people's heroes, heroes and sheroes that they admire will be there.
It's billionaires next to one hundred millionaires, next to millionaires,

(02:46:24):
next one hundred thousandaires, texture somebody trying to buy some there,
they're all together, black, white, red, brown, yellow, colors green,
and we're touched. We're showing You're showing you how to
become self reliant.

Speaker 4 (02:46:37):
The theme this year is.

Speaker 6 (02:46:38):
Future proofing, future proofing yourself because the government the world
has sort of said, you're on your own and we're
going to teach you. Okay, if I sort of like
somebody telling me exactly what they feel right by the way,
I like you telling me the truth, I can deal
with that. So you tell me you don't care about me.

(02:46:58):
I'm on my own, okay, Then let me get prepared
to be self reliant. It's a James Brown version of
affirmative action. Open the door. I'll get it myself. And
so we teach you how to go get it yourself
and how to keep it to be a responsible capitalist.
Bishop TD Jakes, just a couple of names there, the
CEO of Delta Airlines, Mayor of Atlanta, Andre Dickens who

(02:47:22):
just got re elected last night, Ambassador civil rights icon,
my hero Bassard Andrew Young Van Jones, Michael Milkin, billionaire,
the guy who financed Reginald Lewis. By the way, Killer Mike.
The people know it's a rapper, but he's also a
great businessman. Byron Allen, who is billion dollar deal and TV,

(02:47:44):
the CEO of Zillo, the owner of the Fantasy for
forty nine ers, the president of Shopify, Harley Finkelstein, Jed
Geork owns the forty nine ers, Doctor Sanjay Goop does
Stephen A. Smith, the owners of Atlanta Hawks, my brother
Tomy wrestler, Charlemagne Day, God, etc. Reggie Jackson, I mean
is Bernie Doctor Britney say King Strive out the Year
from Africa. Don Peebles, billionaire real estate developer, So it

(02:48:09):
could be pretty in many many mores, that'd be Janis
Brian hot Bridan, Howroyd's whether billion dollar black woman, whether
billion dollar staffing company? Sarah Jakes Roberts.

Speaker 7 (02:48:20):
This is D T. D.

Speaker 6 (02:48:21):
Jake's daughter who's now running the Potter's House in many, many,
many more. December one through three. People can do listening parties,
watch parties from their house. They can offer their work whatever,
they can organize watch parties under operationals banner and go
to the website for Home Global Form and sign up
to host a watch party for the form. We'll give

(02:48:43):
them credentials to be able to access the exclusive video
feed to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:48:49):
No cast, All right, that sounds exciting and all they
got to do is do just go to the website.
Can you give that website again?

Speaker 6 (02:48:56):
To the website and request a request to be a
look at it may or may not be approved at
this point to be there in person, but request to
host a watch party, and my guess is they will
be authorized to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:49:11):
All right. Twenty three away from the top of that
gonna take one more break. When we come back out
a teeter tweeter. I want to know, is this a
good time to get into real estate. I'll let you
respond to that question.

Speaker 6 (02:49:19):
Always a good time. It's always a good time to
get into real estate if you're around real estate, that's
around jobs, transportation, economics, vitality, and vibrancy. Yes, and you
want to I'll let you expound.

Speaker 1 (02:49:36):
I'll let you expound on that when we get back
twenty three minutes I mentioned away from the top of
that with John Hope, Briant Family. You want to get
in the money business, it is the person you need
to listen to or go to one of his conferences
as he mentioned, and you could call him right now
at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls. Next and
Grand Rising Family eighteen minutes away from the top of
that with John Hope, right before we go back to

(02:49:58):
and let's remind you tomorrow Tony B is going to
join us in sixty civil rights activity. Doctor Paul Smith
will be here. So if you are in Baltimore, keep
you ready to tuned into ten ten WLB or if
you're in the dmv R on fourteen fifty WL. John
Gary's call us from Baltimore has a question for You's
online too, Gary grand Rising, John Hope.

Speaker 17 (02:50:16):
Bryant's gone a great day with great blessings from the
Lord who made up or made this wonderful day for
us to you a brother, Brother Bryant, John Hope Bryant,
A Greetings.

Speaker 7 (02:50:28):
I have a daughter.

Speaker 17 (02:50:30):
She's quite interested, super interested in getting into her own business.
She has limited funds. She's living at home with us
saving her money. I hope and looking to get into
a business. What would be your advice? And could she
be a delegate? And I need your website?

Speaker 6 (02:50:52):
She might be excuse she might be a delegate. She
might qualify for one of the slots as a youth delegated.
You'd have to come with her if she is under age.
In any case, she can hosts a watch party. So
you should go to Operation Hope dot org and or
Hope Global Form dot org dot dot com. It's a

(02:51:14):
for profit in this source of nonprofits dot org. Request
the delegate pass and see if you get one. If not,
requested to organize the watch part of your neighborhood and
that might need to be more fun for you and
your family to sit with her and her you know,
her girlfriends or whatever, and like talk about what is

(02:51:35):
being talked about as a family. We need to talk
about money while we talk about civil rights. Let me
talk about sports like I talk about hip hop music.
This needs to become like a second language. Number two,
Please do further encourage her to yes, save money, stay
at home with you and save money. And if she's
gonna stay with you, then you should be watching and

(02:51:56):
monitoring the money she's saving. You're basically giving her free
rant if she's an aide, and so the change for
that is you want a little you know, buy in
her business plan for her life. You want to see
that she have a bank account. You want to see
where she's investing in zating how much you have a
right to ask these questions. Number three, If she has

(02:52:16):
business ambitions, encourage those. We have a program for business
at Operation Hope. It's Hope inside for business. We also
have something called one MBB one million Black Business Initiatives
that we've already created a nurturing and supported just under
a half million black businesses since twenty twenty. And you

(02:52:37):
can reach that at one MBB dot org or Operation
Hope dot org and she can qualify for an in
kind scholarship for up to twenty five thousand dollars of
free coaching, counseling, and support services, including a Shopify e
commerce site, at no cost to her if she goes

(02:52:59):
to the process. And so yes, you should encourage her
to be a business owner if she wants to. That
is that is a very good pathway to freedom, because
you're never going to make well make money during the
day you go up in your sleep. My mother became
financially independent, leaned on Networth eight fifty four credit score
when it went that high, working an hourly job. So

(02:53:22):
anybody can become wealthy with discipline and focus. But business creation,
which is what I did. Business and entrepreneurship is the
fastest route right to generating real wealth for us, and
it also gives you independent and also it has high
risk to it. So I'd say, you know, first path,

(02:53:44):
just live a very disciplined life, disciplined life financially, so
we're gonna have fun all that stuff, but just have
a disciplined life financially. Next path by a house. Anybody
listening to this and I'm answering two questions at the
same time. The last caller, forty four percent of Black
people on a home forty four compared to seventy five
percent of our white counterparts. Why are they buying a

(02:54:06):
house because it's a great investment. So people say, oh,
the two thousand and eight economic crisis, we lost everything.
You didn't lose everything because you bought wrong. You lost
everything because you financed wrong. And that's why it's a
financial illiteracy. The house purchase, in many case was a
great decision. In fact, there's gone up multiples in value
since two thousand and eight when you lost the house.

(02:54:28):
If you look at the values now based on what
you bought it for that but if you had homeboy shopping,
the work network financing, your credit was told from the
flow up. If you had adjustable rate mortgages, mortgage never
do that on a thirty year mortgage. If you had
a reverse amortization mortgage, which means you owe more than
tomorrow than you did yesterday. All these tricks that people
we played on people who are not financial financially literate.

(02:54:49):
If you try to buy a name mattion in you're
a you know, a male delivery person. I'm making this up,
but I'm just giving the anowledge that people are buying
like nations and they worked an hour on a job.
Of course is going to implode, so like do practical stuff.
And then the third thing is what your daughter wants
to do is maybe start a business. So those are

(02:55:10):
some stepping stones that the average person has become self
reliant and become a millionaire. That's your ambitions. It's no
reason the world that Black Americans cannot all of us,
eighty percent of Black America should be independently wealthy. We
have hustled in our phones. I also wrote, Carl, I

(02:55:30):
wrote a business plan called the Business Plan for Black America.
I'd encourage this caller and everybody else to just download
its type of John Hope Bryant Comma Dream Forward or
John Hope Bryant KAMMA Business Plan Black America. It'll come up.
I wrote it for free. It's available for download. It
gives you, it gives you a FreeMap to build wealth

(02:55:51):
in your life and in your community.

Speaker 1 (02:55:55):
And thank you for your call. Gary twelve away from
the time, John, what advice would you give to the
black farmers how to survive that we had the president
of the Black Farmacy African American Black Farmers last week,
and you're gonna you're going through a rough time, round
of very challenging So what advice would you have for
those brothers?

Speaker 6 (02:56:12):
Black farmers have been going through the worst a rough
time for one hundred and fifty years. I mean, they
really were set up to fail, unfortunately from Jump Street
because now they can still win. By the way, just
to make me start with the end in mind, and
I've been very encouraged by what I've seen by the
leadership of Black farmers in the different groups. It seemed

(02:56:33):
very integrity rich. I mean, the first thing I would
just say is do everything you can just to hold
on because they are not going No one's giving up,
no one's creating more land. And in eighteen sixty two,
going back to set up to fail in eighteen sixty two,
eighty sixty five, we've heard about forty acres in the
mule that really happened, but it was only eight It
was only four hundred thousand acres out of two hundred

(02:56:56):
and seventy million acres in America, and these were only
like this is only forty acres given to blacks who
were in the Union Army, like my second great grandfather
who fought for the Union. Cause it was only down
the coast from North Carolina to North Florida. And it
only lasted a couple of years because when Lincoln was assassinated,

(02:57:17):
the next president, who was a jerk, President Johnson, reversed
forty acres in the meal was called field actually fifteen
we know it to be forty acres in the mule.
And but two years before that, Carl three years before that,
there was a homestead at and the homes that that
gave one hundred and sixty acres. I believe it was
to any person going west. Unfortunately, really meant any white person.

(02:57:41):
At that time. It was not ninety nine percent of
the landownership plots were given to whites. So it was
three times more, almost four times more than were given
to blacks in land. It lasted. It was two hundred
and seventy mill was it two hundred and seventy My god,
two hundred seventy million acres that were given as ten
percent of American lands. So I had the number wrong

(02:58:03):
on how much land there is in America. Twenty seventy
million members, so big I couldn't get in my head.
Two Ina seventy million acres of land were given given
to white farmers and they were given free government coaching
to teach them how to be farmers. So they were
given a head up. We were put we had a
fifth or a foot put on our neck and not encouraged.

(02:58:27):
And unfortunately that plus financially in literacy, many of us
gave away land. We lost lands to tax schemes of
our property tax defaults. We weren't given financing. So they
go to Basically, if they go to Operation Hope, sign
up to coaching. Is what I said to the collar earlier.
Signed up to get us financial coach. In fact, if

(02:58:47):
the person you're talking about is organizing a group of
black farmers, have them contact Lance Trages l A n
CE dot t R I G G s lands Dot
Tragues at Operation Hope one word dot org. He is
the president of all Hope programs. Tell him I sent you,

(02:59:08):
and ask him to organize a group a team, a
sort of a swat team of my employees to work
as a strategy with Jane Roscoe, who's there in the
DC area runs government relations and policy, to see if
we can sort of wrap our hands around the black
farmers as a group and create a strategy for them.

(02:59:29):
A lot of this is just require strategic planning.

Speaker 1 (02:59:34):
So again, let me get that straight. That's Lance Triggs
t R.

Speaker 6 (02:59:37):
I G G Dot Triggs at Operation Hope Dot O RG.

Speaker 1 (02:59:43):
Yes, all right, cool. Eight away from the top of
the brother Jay's checking in from Champagne, Illinois, has a
question for You's online too, Grand Rising Brother Jay.

Speaker 18 (02:59:51):
I'm with John Hope Bryant Hey Gren Carl Grand Resident Brother,
John Hope. Hey, Look, I've worked with you guys and
twenty fifteen without I was in Atlanta and you're doing
some awesome work. I just want to say that and
thank real quick. I got a couple just one, well yeah,
two questions. One, how you feel about why not your

(03:00:13):
literacy as the new civil rights that's question one. The
second question is, and I take this one out there,
how do we get your program into others? Spitting like
where we at? Can we license it out or like
who we talked to?

Speaker 7 (03:00:29):
Do?

Speaker 18 (03:00:29):
We talked to Lance about this because it's needed. I
see this program, you know, and we're going into this
new type economy is badly needed. So I'll take my answer.

Speaker 6 (03:00:41):
Sir, Yeah, so great, great questions. Yes, I believe that
financial literacy is the civil rights issue of this generation
as important that's the right to vote. I believe that
AIRE literacy artificial intelligence, which we are going to start
teaching anounce this in a bout among details of this,

(03:01:02):
it'll be called hope AI. I think that AI literacy
is the silver silve our silver rights issue of this generation.
So one thing keeps you from being taken advantage of
civil rights, financial literacy. One thing allows you to prosper
in the new economy. That's AI literacy. We need both

(03:01:23):
of those things. We need healing for our soul because
many of us are suffering from depression and low self
esteem because we are the descendants of slaves and we
never healed from our pain, generational pain. We cannot quite
figure out why we don't feel good about ourselves. We're confident,

(03:01:44):
but we don't have self esteem, which those two things
are very different. So we've got to solve those things.
Self esteem, which is loving yourself, not being in love
with yourself, but loving yourself. Healing from your pain. That's
why that's where crabbing the barrel comes from. Healed pain.
If I don't like me, I'm not gonna like you.
If I don't feel good about me, I'm not gonna

(03:02:05):
feel good about you. If I don't respect me, don't
expect me to respect you, and so on and so forth,
and then AI literacy and financial literacy that sets you
up to be to have that immigrant experience that dreamers
come to America with. And they come here and they
kill it. They kill the game because they have high confidence,
high self esteem, they understand money, they understand the future.

(03:02:27):
They put their head down, they work hard, and we
turn up and three years, four years later, somede gets here.
They're killing then a home on a business they got
to We're like, how do they do? That's what I
just told you. So not everybody comes to America. Right,
there's the biggest economy in the world. Dreamers come here,
but slaves were brought here. It's very important for listeners
to understand. I've never said this one air too. Dream

(03:02:49):
slaves enslave people. Great people from Africa broad here because
we were geniuses of the land.

Speaker 7 (03:02:56):
Right.

Speaker 6 (03:02:56):
There's a whole other conversation for another time, and I
go through it on my podcast in detail. We were
genus of the land. They didn't bring us ever because
we were lazy, that's a lie. Brought us here because
we were We understood how to take dead land and
bring it back to life because Africa's hot. Well, but
then they needed us not to revolt or take over things.
We had them out numbers. So they work to destroy

(03:03:18):
our self esteem, separated our families, and degraded the men
by using the women in front of them. All these
things times about men are not the legacy. That is,
men are not in household like households. We feel a
shamed that we can't take care of our women. So
we just bounced and so we just need to heal
from all that and then deal with all that then

(03:03:39):
to reboot from that bad experience and come up with
a plan that works for everybody else, which is really
what I just told you. As far as offices that
would be, I give you my defly chief established Bill
fair fai R, Bill dot f ai R at the
operation no better work. Tell him, I said you. He
will then points you in the right direction of one

(03:04:00):
of my partnership people and they will help you. You know,
they'll try to identify the city we're in. We have
fifteen hundred offices in forty two states right now. So
we're the biggest Black males foundent nonprofit in American history,
community based, and we're the biggest financial literacy organization today
in America. Now I want fifteen thousand offices by twenty

(03:04:24):
twenty eight. I mean, I'm going to grow by ten x.
How am I to do that? I can't believe I'm
saying this, but I won't missing a guy's name. But
there's a person who who's not with us anymore, who
ran an organization meant that I don't really respect, but
I do admire or respect how he built it, which
was clubs on college campuses. People can figure out what

(03:04:45):
we're talking about without the name of the day. And
while I didn't like what he was doing, I really
thought the strategy was quite brilliant to put clubs on
college campuses and school campuses. So I will have financial
literacy clubs, AI FREEI Literacy Finsial Literacy, and Economic Empowerment,
Civil Rights Hope clubs across this country, and we will

(03:05:09):
license those clubs. We won't fund those clubs, but we
will licensed. We'll give them an authority to use our
name and we'll give them free curriculum, free tools.

Speaker 3 (03:05:18):
To set up.

Speaker 6 (03:05:19):
They'll have to organize through volunteers, so I can go
from fifteen hundred officers to fifteen thousand tons.

Speaker 1 (03:05:26):
And well, John, we're just about flat out of time here.
Can you give us an email website address before you
leave us?

Speaker 6 (03:05:34):
Yeah, no problem. Operation Hoope dot org is for my philanthropy.
John oo'brien Enterprises dot com is my parent company for
all of my ventures. That was my partly my quickest
answer to you, gral hold all day.

Speaker 1 (03:05:50):
All right, thank you, John, thank thank you for what
you do for us. Man really appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (03:05:55):
Well, thank you, brother. You are the voice. We can't
do it without the voice. Brother, Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (03:06:00):
Alrighty family, that's John O'Brien. I hope you if you
didn't get here all of what he had to say,
and he got people interested in get into the business,
get a copy of the show and pass it on
to them. Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six, keep their number handed for the next time.
We got to get out of here. Classes dismissed, Stay strong,
stay positive. We'll see tomorrow morning six o'clock. Right here

(03:06:20):
in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and in the DMV
on fourteen fifty wol

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