Keidi Awadu, Dr. Stephanie Myers & Dr. Cheryl LaRoche on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and welcome to Wednesday hump Day. Later,
economist doctor Julianne Malvaux will check into our classroom. Doctor
Malvaul explained who's impacting the most by the ongoing government
shutdown and also the steps we can take to mitigate
the expected higher inflation rates. For doctor Malvaul, though Black
Women for Positive Changes. Doctor Stephanie Meers and educator Constance

(00:22):
Kinder will preview the group's annual Month of Non Violence conference.
But before we speak, those ladies, archaeologist and historian doctor
Cheryl La Roche. She has done extensive research on the
underground railroad or unveil her new project. But to get
us started, and we'll speak the momentarily callers from Ghana
be doctor Obadali Combone. But let's get this classroom door

(00:44):
open on this hump day. Speak to Kevin Langford, Grand Rising, Kevin,
this's opened the school the doors for our schoolroom this morning.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Hey Carl Nelson, whether you have your coffee black or
with your shaving cream, you can start your day over easy.
It the Carl Nelson Mornings. Yo, team, You see what
I did, Yes, I did. It's Wednesday, the twenty second
of October in the years, just flying by.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
How are you feeling, Call Nelson.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
I'm still learning, brother, I'm in that mode. I mean
that that that that that you know. I'm just focused
on learning. After you start doing it, you just you
know you do it. But sometimes you don't know that
you're learning. But you know, like you always say, once
you lunch the you got to put it into acting
act exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, use use that new word you learned, or you know,
use that, use that new move you found out in
the gym, or you know, use that new recipe you saw.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta you gotta use it.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Because a mind is a terrible thing to waste, but
it's a great thing to continually add. To see what
I did that, I'm full of it today.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I'm impressed. Merely Philo would be loving you. He's probably
somewhere watching. Oh what I did was not in vain
at least some folks are.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
At least that guy, right, Yeah, because he used to
make me laugh every time.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
He would get me every time with that. I'm still learning.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Man, I still learning.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Hey, but but we want to send that prayers out
for healing for the legendary Bryant Gumble he was rusted
in the New York hospital after a medical emergency, and uh,
he's a friend of yours.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Right, what's what's you know?

Speaker 4 (02:28):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (02:28):
I let me share this about Brian coming because people
talk about people that they all say negative things about
people all day of this and that they're Uncle Tom
or a sambo and then when you meet the person,
you go like, what are they talking about? I'll just
share this is quickly, Kevin. We were at the where
the Lakers had signed Jamal Wilks and what they do.
They have a little like a press section for him.

(02:50):
And this was at the Forum Club when they were
still playing at the Forum, and uh, you get to
meet the players and you can do your one on one.
So it was there. This's just a few black players there,
I mean black reporters there. And Brian Gumble was doing
sports for the local NBC station in LA at the time,
kmbc's and then a few weeks later he went to

(03:10):
do the morning show and then you know the trajectory
off the morning show in La, he went to National.
But anyway, we're sitting there and while some of the
other black folks were working the crowd, we're just sitting
at the bar, just just having this conversation, and he
was like, look, this reminds me of those old days
on the plantation. You know, we got some of these
black folks there. They're the fiddlers, they're keeping everybody happy.

(03:32):
And you got the athletes and nothing had been against Jamal,
but you know they're the ones that are going to entertain.
They're the gladiators. And we got these owners and they
looked at Jerry Buss and these owners, these owners. We're
on this plantation and we're the rest of the slaves.
And now on the outside, we're now the house negroes,
if you will, because we're inside the house watching all

(03:52):
And we went on all of this and this conversation
about two hours on.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
The Happy God.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, but you know, the deep conversation, and you hear
all the alternative things about him being a sell out
and all this. I didn't get that. I just think.
I mean, later on, a couple of people that I knew,
you know, one that I know in the National recordings
and he was going to do the Today Show and
he says, man, I heard all these things about Brian Gumble.
You I didn't care. So I told him about the story,
my story with Brian Gumble, And then I saw where

(04:20):
he interviewed Prince and Prince said the same thing before
he went on the show. Then he heard all these
things about Brian Gumble. But when he did the show,
I said, man, that guy was I didn't get the
vibe I mean. And they turned out to be great,
great friends afterwards, you know. So Hey, sometimes I just
I'm telling all this story because sometimes people will tell
you something about somebody they want you to hate because
they probably had an experience and they don't like the person.

(04:43):
But when you meet the person, the reality is totally different.
And that was for me with Brian Gumbles. I just hope,
I just hope he feels better, you know, hope because
because his brother died last year. If he his older
brother died last year.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, the Today's Show Legend, seventy seven years old, was
taken to a local hospital from his Manhattan apartment nine
pm last night, according to TMZ, and he was reportedly
seen being transported on a gurney and was still getting
treatment early this morning. And it's not immediately clear what

(05:14):
caused the medical emergency, but a family member told TMZ
that Gumble was okay, but they won't disclose further information
about his condition, and I can't blame them. It's a
private thing for the moment. And Brian Gumba won an
Emmy four times. He's a full time Emmy winner for

(05:35):
Real Sports with Brian Gumble. And I remember when what
is Wayne Brady did an impression of Brian because they
kept saying Wayne Brady was as soft spoken as Brian Gumble.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
He wasn't, you know, really a black.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Man, and so all of a sudden, he's yeah. Anyway,
it was a fun little skit. Those who saw it
know what I'm talking about. But Wayne Brady was trying
to toughen up and beat gangster.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
But you know, I think what Brian his success. I
think he knows list We found about this later on
though back in the day, they didn't know what we
now call code switching. You know what I'm saying. You know,
when when we down and once once you're on that
corporate plantation, you've got to play that.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Game that's called code switching.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, because because you you have a different code when
you're with with the homies and then when when you
go on the plantation and the corporate plantation, you've got
to act a different way.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Well, Nellie Fuller said, we got to stay on code,
and now you're saying that you can switch to the other.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
It's kind of it's kind of like you don't remember
Stephan Feshion, right.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yes, fats don't filming.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Right, But he played that role because he knew what
he had to do to make money to help us.
But he was smart, you know, he played that that
role of Stephen Feshion. When people found out I guess
closely when when he was leaving checking out and he
explained why he did it, and people, oh, wow, he
was playing them. They weren't playing him. He was playing there.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Well.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
He joined NBC Sports in the fall of nineteen seventy five.
He served as the host of the network's NFL Baseball
and NCAA tournament coverage, including the nineteen seventy nine title
game between Magic Johnson's Michigan State and Larry Bird's Indiana State.
And so that's professionalism, Carl, That's no game, is it.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
No, he's a professional. He's good at what he does.
That's what I'm saying. But the point what you were,
Wayne Brady think, because they think that the same. I
don't know about Wayne Brady. I don't know what his
politics and what he thinks socially what's going on. But
I know what Gumble thought, you know, because we had
that conversation so about the whole plantation of black athletes

(07:53):
being gladiated and that whole nine yards we had that conversation.
I'm not sure if Wayne Brady goes that deep. Yeah,
So what I'm saying is that that Gumble knows what's
going on, and then he knows when he got gotten
into the corporate world, you know, how to play the
game and get the best out of it.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
And I remember Brian Gumble's brother too. He was also
a sportscaster and he died at the young age of
seventy eight years old as a sportscaster.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
So yeah, and Brian Gumble was no slotch man. He
was fluent in Russian, you know, in college. You know,
not many of us are going to school study Russian. Yeah, right,
Russian is a deep brother of all things this, Yeah,
all the languages. That's not the easiest language to learn
that because you know, you if it's Spanish or French,
you we're going to run in some people who speak

(08:41):
Spanish or French. You can practice, but in these days,
you know, back then, he probably won't. You won't have
a chance to brush upon you your Russian because you
don't meet that many Russians.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
And then even as a sportscaster, I can't see the
use of Russian. I could see, you know, when it
became the anchor. I could see the the Olympics. Yeah, right, oh,
the Olympics, right yeah, because he was the host of
the Olympics. Yeah. Okay, we're well rounded, brother, man. I
mean he was well rounded from Hyde Park out there

(09:11):
in Illinois, Chicago suburbs. We talked all about that growing up.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well, meanwhile, in the world of check to check, the
federal government is still shut down.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
So what does that mean for the country. What do
you think?

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Wow? Two, I know we're going to ask doctor Malvaux
because it doesn't seem like there's an end in sight
for this, this this stalemate. Kevin and the deal is
somehow they have to reach an agreement where both sides
look at their win. Because right now it's not even
about the American public or the government. It's about I
think it's all about ego, because you know, we have

(09:49):
a fellow in the White House as a narcissist. Of course,
you know, I'm not saying thing out of school, as
yell don't know. And so he never loses, he never
never admits that the defeat at any level at any way.
So somehow out they've got to figure out construct the
way that whatever whenever he ends ends that he can
say he won. And a Democrat sellers say they want
and they're too far apart right now to even get there.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Man.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I was just speaking with Jay about Brian Gumbo's brother,
and he wanted to share something with us. So that's
where that's where I went there for a second, Is
Jay there Detroit?

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Yeah, good morning, gentleman. Well you got talking about Brian Gumbo.
I first got exposed to Brian Gumble. They had a magazine,
a sports magazine called Black Black Sports, yep. And this
was in the early seventies, you know, even before he
became nationally loan and so a lot of people really
don't understand and know that about him. You know, he

(10:49):
had a luck well he's had a Lusti's career.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
So he was a writer, He was a writer before
he became an announcer.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
That he was. He was a writer and they had
uh it was dedicated to black athletes in black sports,
and I wish I still had a couple of those
copies because it probably might be worth something.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
And uh.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Prominent, Yeah, he was, he was something. You know, he
was you know, O j probably was the first kind
of black person they promoted in the media with sports
when you know, when he was at usc getting ready
to go into the pros and ABC had them working
with with uh, you know O Jay before he was

(11:37):
on Monday Night Football, he was doing some stuff and
the latter part of his college career with ABC. But uh, yeah,
Brian and his brother Greg Gumble, uh were prominent not
only in sports, and Brian, you know s branched up
to the The Day Show and one of the most
important things he did with Today's Show, they actually had

(11:58):
a whole week in Africa, and I got that on
VHS because I take each episode where they were in
different countries in Africa, and I remember Brian broke down
crying because they said ever since he was the host
of the Today Show, he had been pushing for you know,
how the Today's Show would go to different places around

(12:20):
the world, and he had been pushing for that long time.
He finally got his wish and exposed and counteracted a
lot of their lives that they had projected about Africa
for years, and it was really incredible. It's probably on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Do you remember how many countries did Briant go to
during that?

Speaker 4 (12:41):
I don't remember exactly, but I do remember specifically there
being in South Africa and Zimbabwe and they showed uh
the Great Falls, you know, five times bigger and more
magnificent than the Niagara Falls, and uh, yeah, they went

(13:02):
to Kenya. I think, well, I can't I'm not gonna
specifically name the countries because I can't remember them all
right off hand. But yeah, Brian was more than just
a guy that hosted the seventy nine championship game in
NCAA was and that was, you know, supposedly what changed

(13:22):
college basketball and then changed the whole specter of the NBA.
Supposedly saved the NBA because you know, they had the
Great White Hope against Magic and you know it went
from there. But yeah, I just wanted to.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Let me ask you this, so j let me ask you, so,
where did all this thing coming? You know, like he
was before the Wayne Brady, he was you selto milk toaster?
How did that come about?

Speaker 7 (13:48):
That?

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Because I didn't do that.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
I gotta cut. That's because I got my found. Yeah,
I can't hear you.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I'm sorry, Okay, no problem. I was going to ask
you how did his reputation for the people who don't
normally haven't met him, because when NBC in La hired him,
he was just a fresh off of Black Sports. We
talked about that too, the magazine Black Sports.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
But where did you some.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Other reputation come about that, you know, did he took
somebody off and that had started a reputation that he
was a sambo and Uncle Tom and all this kind
of nonsense.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
I don't remember that. I do remember there was some
internal stuff going on it, you know NBC and the
talking heads. But you know, the biggest controversy probably was
they did a Sports Illustrated article on Bryant and they
were saying he was air again and he could be

(14:46):
have a he vented his house or whatever, and he'd
be upstairs and everybody beat upstairs and he was more
comfortable being by hisself. And then not too long after that,
I thank him and his w got a divorce and
he married a white woman and there was some controversy
about that. But I don't remember specifically how this whole

(15:07):
idea of him being a sample. I think it's more
associated what you said before that Colt switching. You know,
Briant was articulate, you know, in the English vernacular, so
a lot of people can take that the wrong way also,
But yeah, he was a great communicator, not only a sportscaster,
he was a great communicator and hopefully, you know, he'll

(15:31):
be all right, but yeah, he had a lustrious career,
but he met that ceiling when you know, traditionally the
host of the Tonight Show with people like Hugh Downs
and Tom broke On, and you just go back through
that history, they eventually became, you know, the leading anchor
on the NBC Nightly News. But when it became Bryant's turn,

(15:54):
you know, NBC didn't go for it, and that's how
you ended up going to CBS and doing the CBS
more the show along with doing HBOS you know, real
Sports and some of the other stuff he did. So yeah,
you know, he people should look into his background a
little bit more. See you know, how greedy was really

(16:18):
you know, in all facets, so I just want oh, yeah,
you know, I try, I've been around. I didn't. I
was born at night, but it wasn't last day.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Right, Thanks Jay. We got to step as we wait
folks and call us from Ghana. But if they don't,
well continue our conversation. We'll let you chime in as well.
It's seventeen half the top of our family eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six yttle ticket
calls and have another discussion coming up next and grand
rising family. Thanks waking up with us on this Wednesday morning.
Hunt there. That means we're halfway through the work week

(16:53):
and actually waiting for a doctor come on to reach
out to us from Ghane. They called earlier this week
on the date we revised the data. Were still waiting
for them to call. But in the meantime though, we're
going to continue our discussion. You know, we talked about
Brian Gumble. Those of you who don't know Brian Gumble
is in the Manhattan hospital this morning. Then they're not

(17:13):
giving out reasons why, but we just wish him a
speedy recovery and just want to get to your thoughts
about what you think about Brian Gold because you've already
seen him on TV. Some of this who got a
chance to meet him before he made it to the
national made it to Network when he was working as
a local sports reporter before they even went to you know.
Then he did the Today's shows, the local version of

(17:34):
the Today Show in LA during the mornings, and then
we'rein you know, and I guess within weeks he went
Nashal and did the national Today Show. But he was
not the person and Kevin that the people thought many people.
I hear people talk about it all the time, and
Jay kind of mentioned it too, But that was after
the fact though that you know that he left his
wife who was black. Of course he married a white

(17:56):
one and so people, I know some of the sisters
were upset with that. But beyond that, as a professional
he was, I mean he was he was a professional
in this business.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Brought.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, he's set an example you know for you know,
there weren't that many black faces on the news and
Particulate in particular, and he was on the lead there,
I say it, the leading show that Today's Show. Him
and Katie Carrick, they had a chemistry that was unbeatable

(18:26):
during those days, wouldn't you agree.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Oh of course. But he was a consummate professional when
it came to that. But the personal side of him
that you know, the black side of him, because people
thought he was he was, like you said, kind of
Wayne Brady played him. I don't know if d Wayne
Brady never met Wayne Braid, I don't know what his
politics is, his social what he thinks about society today
as a black man. So I won't I won't put

(18:49):
that on it. But again I just want I just
sort of pointed it out because I hear people talk
about people all the time and they say they said
they that, and they sellouts and their agents and their
uncle Tom. And then you meet the person, he goes, wow,
what are they talking about this? This is not the
same person. And that's the vibe I got from Brian
Gumble And.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Here he is with the black Power fist and Daiki on.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
But again I mentioned on the Today even when they're
on the Today Show, a friend of mine who was
internationally knowing it before he went out to man Brian Gumma,
this guy, you know, do the go ahead and do it.
And then after the show, man Brian got all this
stuff that buy here because he was hearing stuff about
Brian combing. Oh man, I didn't get that vibe, said,
I told you I didn't get that vibe either. You know,

(19:34):
that's what people say. Then I read way Prince said
the same thing. The Prince had sort of reservations before
doing the show because you know, he thought that the
people thought that Brian Gumb was uppity. You know that.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Well, remember when Prince was on the Today Show, he
put on glasses and a suit and kind of paid
tribute to Brian Gumble and Brian laughed, you know, very
richly when Prince.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Did that, and they became good friends after that. So
so you know, he came and he admitted he thought
that he was up across stuffy you know, the conservative brother,
you know, and they found it was totally different. But yeah,
that's interesting. But you know, Ken, we've got some folks
who want to talk about Brian. So hopefully got speedy
recover for Brian. But let's talk to some of our listeners.

(20:17):
Sister famous checking in online one sister for him at
grind rising your thoughts.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
Yeah, good morning, mister Nelson, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Sure?

Speaker 9 (20:26):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (20:26):
So the thing.

Speaker 8 (20:27):
Is is that a lot of this has to do
with the Seaward class. And you know, many of our
folks focus on the issue of race, but they are
not really uh, they don't often speak about the issues
around class. Okay, And I don't know if you remember.

(20:47):
This became very much a discussion with Lawrence Otis Graham's
book Our Kind of People, when in fact, there was
a line in the book where he said, and I'm
gonna try I was trying to find it goes something
like this, Brian Gumble is Bill Cosby isn't. Lena Warren

(21:08):
is uh Whitney's Houston isn't. Andrew Young is, Jesse Jackson isn't.
And it's speaking. It was speaking to those people who
come from an upper middle class characterized as old money.
And I remember we had a forum at Howard and
a person said, oh, well, when I become part of

(21:31):
the upper middle class, I'm gonna do da da da
da da da da. And the fact of the matter
is old money is not something that uh uh people
people are are. It's not. It's not. It's hierarchical. And
the thing is, people think because someone comes from old
money and they're part of the upper middle class that

(21:53):
they're not down and they're not black. And what happens
is people are outside of that circle. They have certain perceptions, right.
And it was you know, when we had this form
and Howard around Wim August Graham's book. You know, people said,
for example, Sean Combs was able to buy a home
in the Hamptons, but he was new money. So it

(22:15):
was the concept of old money versus new money. And
in Lawrence Otis Graham's book, he talked about places like
New York, Detroit, Atlanta where you have families. These are
the people who started the funeral homes, the banks, and
they you know, they traditionally went to the HBCUs. These

(22:40):
are not people who want to be white, but they
traditionally went to the HBCUs. You know, their grandfather graduated
from Howard or more House versus those people who may
be first generation college graduate. And this was not placing
a value on people. It's simply an understanding of And
so it's the uh, it's like, and I'm gonna be

(23:01):
perfectly this whole Boulet nonsense, right, I'm not going to
get into it, but this Bouley nonsense, these are the
folks who may have of course that the boys talked
about in terms of the talented tents who theoretically had
a responsibility to provide and take care of the other
members of our community. And so people would characterize someone

(23:24):
like a barrier, a buyer, like mister Gumbo who you know,
uh yeah, your reference being able to code switch right,
and they would say, oh, well, he's in Oreo and
he's not down and them not even knowing these people.
So yes, it's the folks that go to Jack and

(23:45):
Jill that have cotillions and what have you, and people
that are not in that circle will mischaracterize. So it's
an issue around class.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Let me jump in and ask you this twenty seven
at the top of the hour. Let's bring it up today.
Jasmine Crockett as being you know, at least most of
the white folks who are attacking Jasmine Crockett she wasn't
she wasn't down. She went to private schools then, you know,
and then end up being an attorney, but she can't
relate to the inner city struggle. Is this is this
the similar what you're talking.

Speaker 8 (24:17):
About specifically talking about the black community. I'm not to
white people are gonna say what they're going to say,
and a lot of them aren't even familiar with these issues.
And in fact, when Lawrence Otis Graham wrote the book,
you know it was it was revealing to a lot
of because for example, I'm from New York. I read
the Amsterdam News and there was a uh, society section

(24:42):
in the Ansidam News. I never read the society section.
And so the black upper middle class are hidden in
playing sight. And if you're not in that circle, if
you're not in Jack and Jill, you don't go to cantillons.
You unaware of that, and people have these misconscrewed perceptions.
Is about people because they're not of that ilk. It's

(25:03):
it's that simple. It's the issues around class.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, and Brian's I think his dad was a doctor
or something, but he you know, here.

Speaker 8 (25:12):
You know, we have the origin story of most black people,
but we're talking about people who are third and fourth generations.
Their parents may have their great grandfather went to Howard University,
and you know at the early uh, you know, with
us coming out of slavery, you know, they founded schools
and many of us today, most of us today, myself included,

(25:32):
is a first generation college student. These are the folks
their grandparents may have went to a moor House or
mayor went to a Howard University and they had they
you know, they they started the funeral parlors, they started
the newspapers. You know, they were educated at a time
when most of us weren't. And so they're not first

(25:53):
generation educated people. You know, they are part of the
upper middle class. And that doesn't mean anything is wrong
with them. It's just that those those of us that
are not in that circle, we have miscon screwed interpretations
of people because people are complex human beings and there's
no standard, and so it just it was quite well

(26:16):
outlined in Lawrence Otis.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Graham's books, remember the book.

Speaker 8 (26:21):
Among those people that were mentioned old money versus New money,
Brian Gumbele is, Bill Costy isn't. Andrew Young is, Jesse
Jackson isn't.

Speaker 10 (26:30):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (26:31):
You know, it was quite well, quite well outlined in
Lawrence Otis. Because these are people that summer, you know,
at Marcu's vineyard, they have a home in the Hampton.
You know, their third and fourth generation educated people, you know,
and folks that are not in that circle, they have
a misperception of them. But Lawrence Otis Graham laid it

(26:52):
out quite well in his book, and it played out
very well in a short lived series called Our Kind
of People that was on Fox. That was all that
took place during COVID, you know, and some people who
may recall the book and that short lived series, uh
may understand what I'm trying to convey.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
All right, Thank you, Sister Fahima, and thank I Just
I've been trying to fit you know, when you mentioned
in the Ampsteam News the person that the man who
wrote the column, I was trying to think of his
name because it's Sadie.

Speaker 8 (27:23):
It was Sadie Settle. She's a society.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Columns, a society column Yeah, because sometimes it appeared in
Jed as well. You're not part.

Speaker 8 (27:32):
Of that ill, you're not. I wasn't reading the Society
Fellow to find out who was coming out of continue
because I wasn't part of that circle, and so they're
hidden in plain sight. But Will who grahams in his book,
he you know, pretty much gave us a peek into
that world, like for example, just not to believe the
point the gentleman, uh, Reginald Lewis, he you know, was

(27:56):
one of the richest men. Uh he wanted to expose
his move into black people who were of the same
you know, economic level. He reached out to Graham to
introduce his children to that circle of people that were
that were you know, that were black and were you know,
old money if you.

Speaker 10 (28:16):
Will, Wow, did not know that.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Thank you, sister for Hima, Thank you for sharing that
with us. Kevin, That's what I'm talking about. You learned
something every day on this program. We've got some super listeners. Family.
So it's all about twenty eight minutes away from the
top of the Allelet's take some more calls. Let's stay
in New York.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Brother Man two is online too, calling from New York City.
Brother Man two. Your thoughts, Brother Man two there online too, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, he should be. He tends to mutias. All good
morning man too.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, go ahead, bro, we got you. You're on the air.

Speaker 11 (28:57):
Yes, Grand Rising Hotel Arigani, Greetings to all, free the
land and free the African mind.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah. I was.

Speaker 11 (29:05):
I appreciate the uh comments and insight by sister Fatima
and the brother from Detroit, the elder.

Speaker 7 (29:16):
I just wanted to give my take on it.

Speaker 11 (29:20):
I became aware of Brian Gumble through the television and sports,
and what I observed, even before I knew a lot
about him that he always advocated for the black athlete
and the respect uh he his brother Brian Gumble who

(29:41):
passed Greg Gumbles me who passed away recently, and another
sports anchor by the name of James Brown he does
the NFL. They I observed that they were always advocating
for proper and respectful uh language towards a black athlete.

(30:04):
Like when the black baseball player would run and catch
the ball, the announcers would say, oh, he he he
gingerly or he laxadatly caught the ball, and they would
point out such things and then why would the football
player when they make a play. The black athlete was

(30:28):
never getting credit for having intellect. So the thing I
would associate with Brian Lumble and just brother Greg Gumbles,
that they were part of that conversation to make us
away of the language and the level.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
And oh that's all there. But that's that's a good
point that you're making that they do that because you,
I don't think folks understand how it is in those
corporate suites. So you have to stand up and speak
for your people. You hear those putting all the innuendos
are the other white folks are talking about us, and
you're sitting there and they're like talk because oh they
you're one of us. You're not like that, you know
that kind of stuff. And Brian as you mentioned as brother,

(31:03):
and Jim Brown now at CBS NFLT, they all know
they speak up, so people understand how that is. Sometimes
you're like a flying the or your own black person
in the room when they have these these discussions before
you know, before the show prep, before they do the shows,
and they talk about black black athletes. We don't have
any intellect. We just you know, we just we just

(31:25):
do sports on instinct instinct. And that's basically how they
feel about us on a broader level. So these announcers,
these anchors have to speak up. So I'm glad you've
made that point, man too, but let me I'll let
you finish your thought.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, And they.

Speaker 11 (31:36):
Didn't wait for the controversy to do so. I think
you remember Jimmy the Greek, the white shorts caster who
got outed for making some comments about you know, you know,
blacks have natural endowments to do sports, et cetera, et cetera.
So they didn't wait for those controversies. They repeatedly, repeatedly

(31:58):
did that, especially in the way that they when they
were reporting they did that. The second thing to build
on Sister Fatima's point about the class issue, and what
I recognized from early is that if you were in
the major centers of cities we at Los Angeles, be
at Chicago, be it New York, that became the definition

(32:20):
of black culture, and that projected image of urban the
urban black person was part of the classes and that
Sister Fatima spoke about. Because we weren't aware of the
entire black community. We took our little slice, our branch
of the tree as the total tree, without understanding that

(32:43):
we are all part of a tree that extends with branches.
We are one branch will become the dominant mode. So
whatever was popular in Hollywood, that would go and be
the definition or the defining character what black culture is.
Those who did not fit that because they weren't being promoted,

(33:04):
they weren't being advertised, that became suspect. That became a question.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Now to a hold up through right there, man too.
We got to check the news when we come back.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Though.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's something that Sister Verhema also mentioned about the brulet,
the talented tenth or the upper crust in the black
community because some people like to knock them saying they
don't do enough for the rest of the community. I
want you address that when we come back. Also Charles
the third of DC's on Holdings and also TM and DC.
We're talking about black social strata right now this morning,
folks that are you know, we're using Brian Gumbles as

(33:36):
an example. What are your thoughts? Reach out to us
at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six,
and we're taking phone calls after the news that's next
and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us
on this Wednesday morning. So hump there, we're halfway through
the work week and we're just having a frank discussion
about black society. What are your thoughts? And this was
prompted by the fact that Brian Gumble is in the
hospital and speedy recover to Brian and how he maneuver

(34:00):
with his way in on the in the corporate level.
Some people think that, you know, that he was a
sellout and all this other stuff, but he wasn't that
that's not the real Brian Gumble when he got ready
to get ready to know him.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
So that's what his family. His family says he's okay.
The doctor saying that he's going.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Seventy seven year old sportscaster uh was taken to the
hospital at nine o'clock last night and he is being
reported as okay. There's no indication as what the emergency was,
but he's okay.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
All right, that's good to know. Well, be much better
when when he's released. And you know right, I called
that okay, Yeah, when you're back home in the hospital,
it's no joke. Family sixteen away from the top of
that man to finished his comment, though, let me remind
you Conor fro Late this morning, we're goenna speak with
the economists, doctor Julian Malveaux. Some of you don't know
doctor Malvaux for it's worth, it's one of our smartest

(34:52):
sisters when it comes to the economy. She went to
m I T. She's going to be Also want to
hear from the sisters from a Black women for a
positive change. They're going to preview their upcoming and a
month of non violence. Also, we're going to hear from
archaeologist and educator doctor Cheryl Roach will be here. She's
working on new projects. He did a lot of work
on the underground railroad. Tomorrow, Morgan State Professor University Professor,

(35:14):
doctor Ray Wibersh is going to be here. Also, the
Million Women's March is sister phil phil Ay. They're having
their anniversary. She's going to talk about that. And also
DC actress doctor Hi Patterson will check in. So if
you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your ready
to tuned to ten ten WLB or if you're in
the DMV, we're on fourteen fifty w L and this
is where information is power. All right, brother man too,
I'll let you finish your thoughts.

Speaker 11 (35:36):
Yes, well, I appreciate it, and thanks for the update,
and I hope that he continues to improve and you know,
take the necessary steps to maintaining this help. Being black
in this country is a one up tight rope between
wellness and you know, not being well. So thanks for

(35:57):
the update and we sent for your sentiments as far
as sending he and his family all the best, and
he continued to improve. When I became aware of Brian Gumble,
it was also during the time of hip hop and
it was an internal debate about how to express yourself

(36:18):
as black, whether as a black person, whether we knew
it or not. And we were critique and not just
people like Brian Gumble. We were critique in Michael Jackson,
We were critique in Prince in the early stages. As
far as I remember when I became aware of hip hop,
that we wanted to express a vibe and a certain thing.
And that's also contributed to divide and conquered because we

(36:39):
didn't have a full understanding of what black culture is.
Black culture has many levels and many expressions. So Brian
Gumble got caught up in that when he was when
he came out, he was first married to a black
woman and then later on two thousand he ended up
barning a white woman, which I think he's still married today.
And what we don't understand this, you know, a case

(37:01):
by case basis evaluation. At this stage of my life,
I don't have I don't put revolutionary expectations on everybody.
So not every person in the bulet is a setout.
You cannot say that because you would have to know
every person in the boulet to make that statement, and
history shows us there's always outliers and anomalies, and all

(37:23):
only expectation I have for someone like Brian Gumbel was
how did you do your job and how did you
represent Black people? And from what I remember, and you
can correct me if I'm wrong, I never felt that
he embarrassed black people. I never felt that he talked
down about black people. I always felt that he was
always trying to uplift the black athlete and black issues

(37:47):
in a respectful way, to bring awareness and to bring
life to it. So that's what I evaluate him on,
and that's what I take him as. So I'm not
going to constantly put my own expectations because we all
have a different journey than we all have a walk. Well,
like I said, I can definitely when I think of

(38:07):
Brian Clumble associate him listen with the elevation of black
people and black issues and trying to expand our vision
from a limited understanding sports, always connecting sports to the
larger social issues in society. And if that's true to
its legacy, then that's all I can ask for him,
for anyone else in that position and just move on,

(38:30):
all right.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Thank you, Manchew, and thank you for sharing that too,
you know, especially when when you talked about UH, you
talked about the boulet because it only takes one person
to act inappropriately, and they brand everybody is the same.
It's just like you have a you have an interaction
with one person from from Nigeria and you you brand
all Africans. Well, an African told me this, so all

(38:51):
afterns will be the same. So yeah, you're right, But
that's growth for people who are understanding understand how the
mechanics have you know, have we deal with each other.
But thank you for sharing that man too from the top, Bacly, just.

Speaker 11 (39:05):
Real quickly, here comes from a generation with the conversation
with not just how you deal with police and whatever,
but the constant thing about uplifting the race. And I
don't think people can really understand that his father was
a judge and his mother was a city clerk. But
they'd come up that time of that UH integration and

(39:26):
post integration where they knew that if you know, expectations
and excellence had to be constantly exhibited because if they
messed up, then they would close the door. That would
close the door the users to close an excuse to
close the door for other black people.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
And we got some more folks on again, so man too.
I want to thank you for your time. Though ten
minutes away from the top of Let's go to DC though,
Charles the thirties waiting for us. He's online three grant
rising Charles, your thoughts about this whole thing a.

Speaker 12 (39:53):
Hotel, brother, Carl, and I appreciate you taking my call.
I just wanted a couple of things about, don't I
first became aware of Gumble when he had the NBC
show grand Stand, which was a sports show. It only
lasted a year, but he did it with a white
guy from my hometown who was a known racist, and

(40:16):
our thoughts were, okay, there was no way that brother
was going to work with this white guy. But I
just wanted a guy Jack Buck, who did all the
national programs, but it was known. But I wanted to
point out on NBC as Jay mentioned how he pushed
to go to Africa, and I don't think Jay mentioned

(40:39):
about why he cried on National TV and the thing,
and this always stayed with me. He cried when he
was at Gory Island, the point of no Return, and
it just hit him emotionally because he felt the pain
of our people there, and so when I moved to

(40:59):
chicag I go in the eighties, which is where Brian
was from on the South Side, but actually it's High Park.
But black folks there didn't hold him in any low
view of people spoke highly of Brian Gumbel in his

(41:20):
family now his brother Greg, but people knew that Brian
was a good brother.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
So I say that too.

Speaker 12 (41:29):
And how sister Fatima took it off into the class issue,
I think that's just another divider for black folks and
to keep us separated. So even on your program, when
I hear people talking about the buley or whatever, and
I say that because really, if you look at the
real picture, and when you're talking about power and money,

(41:54):
it's very few of us. It's black folks. There are
black folks who may have had the education as she mentioned,
but when you started looking at the power and the
ability to employ large number of black people and provide incomes,
we don't really have that. So we get caught up.

Speaker 13 (42:12):
In about.

Speaker 12 (42:14):
Arguing over who's in the bulet, who's not in the bulet,
and we're just doing, as nearly Fuller would say, what
the white supremists want us to do. Just stayed distracted there,
but I just wanted to say Dumbles a good brother.
I think he demanded people treat him with respect, and

(42:35):
I think that's where the problem came from other folks.
He wasn't a black guy just saying I'm happy to
be here. He's like, you're going to treat me a
certain way, and it may have rubbed some people the
wrong way. And then I'll finally say this, Yeah, I
was a little disappointed when the brother did married that
white woman, but.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
I don't know what to make of that.

Speaker 7 (42:57):
That's his deal, and so I want to leave it.

Speaker 12 (43:00):
And I appreciate this show. Brother, Thanks a.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Lot, all right, and great observation, Charles on all which
you said, Yeah, it's great observation because folks don't know
because many of us are not in those situations where
you sit in these corporate oppositions. You're the only black
person there and they're talking down about us, but they
think that that you you you were one of them.
You know, you're you're Clarence Thomas. So you agree with

(43:22):
what they say, and oftentimes, you know, the people of
the ills of Brian Gohm said, hey, no, that's not right.
I'm not down with that now. We're not going to
do that. And you have the power, and that's the thing.
You have the power to reverse that and educate some
of these some of these racistsms you have to deal
with on the job. That's why we call it code switching,
you know, so he knows how to operate in the

(43:43):
corporate world. That's what Brian Gumbel did when he was
at NBC. But thank you and again, hopefully a speedy
recovery for Brian Gumble, who started this conversation eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six,
six minutes away from the Tom Johnny's calling from Compton,
these online one, Johnny grand Rising, your thoughts about this
whole issue with with Brian Gumble in society, black society, if.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
You will, Hey, hey Grant writing everybody, and thanks for
taking my call. I want to separate the Brian Gumble
from the social strata. I think. I think the work
that Brian Gombele did over probably over thirty years, excellent
work and the impact that he made now when he
gets to the social strata in the black community something

(44:25):
that we're not talking about. To Carl, you send your
child to school at eighteen years old college, and we've
got these organizations that are going to put up some
kind of litmus test to your child, often physical abuse,
just so they can say they're an alpha or a

(44:47):
que or whatever the other organizations are. And we've got
to address that. And sometimes it takes Brian, a person
like Brian Gumble now being in hospital before we talk
about it, because we're talking about it today. But we
have to address that because if our best and brighters
are going to behave that way, then there's no hope

(45:08):
for us, right, So I just wanted to bring that up.
So the whole brother Brian Gumble is okay. But as
a community, if we're having that with our top future
leaders and we've got twenty one year olds beating your
child or putting them onto some kind of physical abuse

(45:30):
to prove their blackness, we in trouble. Buddy. I'll holl
at y'all later.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
All right, Thanks, Johnny, that's another perspective. Five away from
the top of that. Let's keep going on. TM wants
to join the conversation. He's going from Washington, DC and
he's online for Grand Rising. TM.

Speaker 7 (45:45):
Your thoughts, Yes, sir, good morning. Let me just say
this sure what I'm listening to right now, as you remarkable,
we mean the body this portion of your show. I'm
hands from black people. All right, man, it's remarkable what

(46:06):
I'm hearing right now. I'm gonna keep my stuff short.
Let me just say this fu wow. Let me say
something about this Colt switching. Did I'm gonna ask you
all the questions.

Speaker 14 (46:21):
Did sways cold and switch?

Speaker 10 (46:24):
Huh?

Speaker 15 (46:25):
Now let me go to.

Speaker 7 (46:27):
Baringumma quickly. The Butther represents an army of woe.

Speaker 14 (46:33):
His work as a journalist.

Speaker 7 (46:35):
In America, overseas and another planet was extraordinary. And I'm
gonna keep using that word.

Speaker 14 (46:44):
And then I'm gonna buy a quote from you call
what do you like to say?

Speaker 7 (46:51):
It's all we have?

Speaker 6 (46:54):
And he was all we had?

Speaker 14 (46:56):
Hbo he will u spn Before there was an aspa,
an army of one. Come on, people, come on, specially
just god here what what twenty years ago? Ron Gomber
was here way before then doing his.

Speaker 7 (47:13):
Thing, him and his brothers another remember her of cross
you mentioned James Brown went to Harvey.

Speaker 14 (47:21):
From DC, took them around even get what a lacal
sports yegue in DC. When they got in everybody's oh
that guy, and now they're saying he's a genius now
in terms of what he does. Now it's about getting
the opportunity inclusion instead of what folks exclusion. That ain't

(47:45):
the symphy by saying, hold are all the commercials right now,
Black Eagle. I meant to when it comes to sports
or do we see all the time? IRV Cross the comedian.
That's that's with Lebron. Oh now you thought rapos.

Speaker 11 (48:07):
And we have a lot of steps caught up by
the traffic.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah, we got we got to stop here there because
we've got time.

Speaker 14 (48:18):
But thank you, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, it'll be in the barber shops this afternoon eight
hundred and four or five zero seventy eight is seventy
six three away from the top that ele mess. We
got to check the traffic and weather and our different cities.
We'll come back with doctor l Roach next right here
on w O L and also w O L B
and Grand Rising family and that's Donne here O day
with It's a bit interesting conversation. This is Kevin started

(48:43):
this conversation. We're talking about Brian Gumble who's now in
the hospital and hopefully you make a speedy recovery. As
people were talking about Brian's demeanor, and I got to
respond to what TM says, we didn't know about code switching.
We did do know about code switching. We just didn't
know what he was. If you remember the movie the
series Roots, you remember Fiddler because this is one of
the conversations I was hamry with Brian. Gumbley says, oh

(49:04):
those are they may be Fiddler. Fiddler was was the
entertainer for the for the for the formosa for the slaves,
but he was one who also befended Kunta Kinte and
it was telling kuntak Inna how to play the game.
And Kunte of course was hardcore African. Remember that the
scene where what is your name? And he finally his
name was Toby. Well, you know Fiddler was trying to

(49:26):
tell him, and that was Luke Gassi. I think he
played that role. You don't have to take those women,
just just act like you, you know, and fake these
people out. So we know we knew back then, and
there's that was depicted in the in the series Roots
were brothers and sisters know back then had a code switch.
We just didn't have a term for it. But anyway,
I just want to clear that up. Eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Let's speak

(49:49):
to our next guest, now happens to be a historian
and archaeologist and one of our sponsors as well, doctor
Cheryl L. Roach. Welcome back to the program, doctor.

Speaker 10 (49:57):
Little Well, thank you for having me back. It's great
to be here.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
And you've done extensive research into the underground railroad. But
now you've got a new project you want to share
with us.

Speaker 10 (50:07):
I do have a new project.

Speaker 6 (50:09):
You know.

Speaker 10 (50:09):
I'm thinking about code switching when you started to talk
about that, and this is like the ultimate code switching,
you know. When I was here last, I talked about
the Apostle of Liberation in Paul Quinn, which is my
latest book. But now we've decided, me and my collaborators
that we really want to look at children. We want
to think about what can we do to kind of

(50:29):
bring children into this mindset about history. And so we
have a graphic children's book series that we're putting together
called The Resurrectors, and it's a book series so that
children can be an eye witness to history. These are
true stories. So we look for these sort of underrepresented,

(50:50):
sort of unknown stories around the underground railroad, and there
are lots of them, and we take those stories and
we put a little bit of a sci fi twist
on it so the kids themselves can time travel, so
they can actually have like this sci fi adventure, go back,
be empowered to witness the history and then come back
and bring it to the people and to present it

(51:12):
and say, hey, look this is this is something we
didn't know. And so we're trying to put the history
through the resurrectors in the hands of children. So that's
that's the sort of in a nutshell, you know, we
can talk about it a little deep more deeply, but
in a nutshell that's where we're going. And one of
the things we say is that you know, history is

(51:33):
your forbidden superpower and when you.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
After the time, let me ask you this, doctor Larroch,
can you use AI artificial intelligence? Can you recreate some
of our ancestors and what they did and so our
children can see actually sort of feel and touch and
have a better experience of what their pastor was like
and using AI having you speak and her image on

(51:58):
the screen, and they can you know, have conversations with them.

Speaker 10 (52:01):
Is use AI in particular, because I particularly for those
people for whom we have images, you can take those
images and manipulate them. You can put words in their mouths.
You can do all of that with AI when you
have a virtual platform. So yes, and that is definitely

(52:21):
the direction that history is going in. But the more
importantly when you don't have an image, but you have
a description, you can begin to compile things. You have
to let children know and let people know this is
not exactly what they look like. But yes, AI is there.
But I will warn you too, And I know we
all know this, but I have to say it because

(52:42):
I can judge, particularly around Quinn, because I wrote the book.
AI sometimes gets it wrong. So don't just depend on
AI's that that really is the message. But yes, from
a graphic point of view, we can take people, we
can make them younger, we can move them around, we
can put we can bring history to life through a

(53:05):
virtual platform. And that's important for kids to see.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
All right, Well break it down for us with this
new project that you're working with.

Speaker 10 (53:14):
So so you know, this is actually a Kickstarter campaign.
So if you go to www Dot the Resurrectors and
I'm going to spell it r E s U R
R E C t O R S dot com. You're
going to see if you go to that page, you'll
see that there's a button to click through to Kickstarter,

(53:36):
which is a fundraising campaign. So we've decided, you know,
I've been doing this work a long long time, and
we've decided that Kickstarter is the best way to achieve
our goal. We have to raise twenty thousand dollars in
twenty five days, and it's a gamble actually, I mean
the way Kickstarter works, it's either all or nothing. So

(53:57):
we're really putting ourselves on the line where on people
to buy the book, you can also donate, So we're
counting on people to make donations because if we miss
our market and we fail to reach our goal, we
get nothing. So we really are looking to community. We're
here to make this appeal to say, and this I
think is important to think about at this present moment.

(54:22):
People are always saying what can I do? How can
I help? This is a way to be active. You know,
activism looks different on different people, and this is a
way to support activism. You're supporting it with your platform
and on the underground railroad. People supported the effort any
way they could. So if you were a seamstress, you

(54:42):
made clothes for people to take off those marks of slavery.
If you were a cobbler, you made shoes. I'm a writer.
I want to write and I want these children to
understand that this is something that is important. We want
to have creative control and Kickstarter if we raise our
own funding and don't go through publishers, we can maintain

(55:03):
some level of creative control. We can hold on to
our ideas. We can do the things you suggest. You know,
if we want to come back and turn these folks
into living, speaking, you know, beings on virtual platform, we
can do that and with the support of the community
to help us reach our moment, reach our goal. This

(55:25):
is what we want to do. This is how we
have chosen to be active, to be to be freedom fighters.
We want to connect directly with the readers. We want
to connect directly with the kids, and we want to
fund for illustrations because you know, the other side of
AI and bringing people to life virtually is illustrations on
the page.

Speaker 7 (55:46):
So we have to envision.

Speaker 10 (55:47):
We want people to really think about and see and
think about what we're talking about, and we have to
fund the production process. So the Resurrectors is how we're
thinking about this and how we've just that this would
be an effective way to reach children, to reach young people,
and frankly, really I'm hoping that it will reach adults too,

(56:09):
because what I'm learning is that, you know, people just
don't know these stories. They're not out there, and in
this kind of environment, we have to be doubly careful
that we get it out. So this kind of gamble
that we're taking on Kickstarter and depending on the community
and depending on our networks and our resources to kind

(56:31):
of come back and fund this thing, this is what
we're hoping to do. And this you know, and thank
you for being a part of this campaign and letting
us come in and make this appeal because it's important.
And I think that when we get to ask our
own questions, when we get to talk about ourselves in

(56:53):
the ways in which we know who we are, I
think it's deeply powerful and I think it's very moving,
and I think it's impactful. So that's that's where we
are and that's what the you know, that's what our
effort is all about.

Speaker 16 (57:07):
So go to the Resurrection twelve minutes and donate or
Bible all right twelve after top of that with doctor
Leoach and she's got a new project that those of
you have heard her before.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
She's done extensive research into the underground railroad. So doctor
le Roach tell us how does kickstart of work? Though
keep mentioning Kickstart just to have no idea how it works.
Explain to us how it works.

Speaker 10 (57:30):
So Kickstarter is a is a fundraising campaign. And when
you go to the resurrectors dot com, that's our landing page,
and we have a button that clicks you over to Kickstarter,
or you can go straight to Kickstarter and then type
in the resurrectors dot com. The way it works is
that you know, communities donate, communities give money on communities

(57:51):
buy your product. And that's one way it works. And
you have we chose a month. You have one month
to raise your funds. So you set your own goal.
If you think you can raise x amount of money,
that's the amount of money you put in there. So
we set a goal of twenty thousand dollars because that's
what we need to get this project off the ground.

(58:12):
If you believe in what we're saying, if you believe
in really moving history forward, if you believe in presenting
things for kids that really are impactful and away from
some of the it's just a way to empower our kids.
And so if you believe in that, then you go
to Kickstarter. Once you get to the Kickstarter landing page,

(58:32):
they'll ask you to sign in and donate, and so
that's or to buy or to purchase a book, and
we have several piers of books. But Kickstarter says, if
you meet your goal, all the money is yours and
goes to your campaign and your project. If you don't
meet your goal, you don't get any money, and the

(58:53):
money goes back.

Speaker 7 (58:54):
And so we have to.

Speaker 10 (58:56):
Deliver on what we say we're doing, and you have
to believe and what you're doing to even go to Kickstarter,
because you know it's all or nothing, and so we're
here where and that's why we're grateful to you, because
it's all or nothing and we know that. And we
have to get out and reach the listener. We have
to get out and reach the community. We have to

(59:16):
get out and reach parents and grandparents and people who teach,
and librarians and anyone who has access to kids and
who want them to thrive and be empowered by really
having books in their hands that really tell them a
different kind of story. And that's how.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Roach Can you tell us about some of the characters
or some of the issues that you're going to be
in these books that you're going to be providing for
our children.

Speaker 10 (59:43):
Well, yeah, you know, I don't want to give away
the plot too much, but you know, I would say that,
you know, after thirty plus years of archaeological and historical
work covering the Underground Railroad, I started to realize that
people that I have been working with and know all about,
and my colleagues too, anybody in this field, we know

(01:00:05):
all these names. But when I would get out and
talk to people more generally, I would find that after
Harriet Tubman, or after Frederick Douglas, maybe Margaret Garnet, people
didn't know these what I think of these giants in
my world. You know, I'm sort of living in the
nineteenth nineteenth century sometimes, but really, these are the kinds

(01:00:30):
of people we want to bring to life. And so
the first person that the Resurrectors goes back and engages
with as an eyewitness to history is Henry Highland Garnett.
I don't know if you've heard of him. This that's
someone name that you knew. Most of the people that
I've talked to had not heard of him, and so

(01:00:50):
he's our first one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
So help us out here for the folks who like
my shelf, we've never heard of Henry Highland Garnet.

Speaker 7 (01:00:57):
Who is it?

Speaker 6 (01:00:58):
I just he is.

Speaker 10 (01:01:01):
I'm just going to say to me. He's a Malcolm
X of his day. And I suspect that maybe one
of the reasons why you don't know about him is
because his motto was let your motto be resistance. He
was all about resistance, resistance, resistance, and so to take
Henry Highland Garnett, he has a powerful story from the

(01:01:26):
time he was a child to the time he died.
And so what I really appreciated one of the reasons
why I chose Garnett first. I had a lot of
people to choose from them. I know people probably know
very little about but Garnett was first because I could
take his story from his childhood to his death, and
that for me was a big deal. I mean, he's

(01:01:48):
very very well known inside of underground railroad stories and
you know, I'm gonna be a little koy here and
say when the book comes out, I would love for
you to read all about him in the book, and
let that be your journey of the discovery. Let the
resurrectors do what its work is supposed to do. Let
it resurrect him and his story for you, so you

(01:02:09):
know you can look him up. I'm sure, but you know,
be a little patient let us bring the story to you.
He's one of those right here, Doctor la.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Roche, we gotta step aside for a few moments. We
come back though. Explain to us why you think that
Henry Highland Garnett has not been a celebrated as much
as say, like Frederick Douglass or Hart Tubman. Why many
of us are listening this morning, probably hearing his name
for the first time. Why is that happening? So I'll
let you explain that when we get back. Family, you

(01:02:38):
two join that conversation with doctor le Roche. Doctor Roach
is an archaeologist. He's also a historian. As I mentioned,
you did extensive work. We heard her before about the
underground railroad. Time. She's got a new product she's working
on trying to get some of these some of this
information to our children, what are your thoughts? Eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six will take your
phone calls and grand Rising family, thanks for waking up

(01:02:59):
with us on this Wednesday morning, the hump Day. It
means we're halfway through the work week of our guest
is our colchis and historian uh uh, doctor Cheryl L.
Roach and she's got a new project she's working on
to get these books to our young people. And also
a man by the name of Garnet. I've never heard
of this man, and and you got to share some
information and tell us first before we share some information

(01:03:21):
about it why she's not well known like a Frederick
Douglass and a Harried Tubbans Simar.

Speaker 10 (01:03:26):
Sure. Well, first, let me just reiterate that we're putting
him in a book series called The Resurrectors, and if
you want to help us, it's at www dot the
Resurrectors dot com and I'm going to spell it t
G the Resurrectors r E S U R R E
C t O r s dot com. We chose Henry

(01:03:49):
Hiland Garnett for a number of reasons, as I said previously,
because we have a full story of him, because we
understand just how powerful his message is. I mean, he's
an ambulitionist, he is a minister, he's an educator, he's
a diplomat. For heaven's sakes, I mean, he's very early
in all of these things. He's the first black person

(01:04:10):
to speak on the floor of Congress, and so all
of those things make him a powerful subject. So we
can really move him through and talk about him in
ways in which maybe children have never thought about a
black man in the nineteenth century. You know, not all,
but certainly this image of the enslaved African American is

(01:04:30):
just one image. I'm working with people who are fighting
for their freedom and working for people, with people like Garnett,
who really are out front, who are vocal, who are
in these opposition and environments the same way we are,
who look to justice. He looks to fairness when he's

(01:04:51):
a kid, because the justice kind of looks like fairness
when you're a child. He looks to all of this,
and when you see and read about him, he is fearless.
You ask me why we might not know about him,
and why we don't know about him. I've been a
little surprised because you're not alone. Most people don't know

(01:05:12):
who he is. Most people that I as I mentioned him,
I usually expect people to say, oh yeah, people don't
do that. They don't know who he is. And part
of that is because he never wrote his own biography.
And what I'm finding increasingly, just like Paul Quinn, if
you don't write your biography, there's less for us to

(01:05:36):
go on when we come back as a historian to
write about you. So that's one Frederick Douglas is prolific
in writing about himself. Harriet Tubman Lee's more than one
narrative of her life, and both of them are heavily
photographed in the nineteenth century. They leave their mark. Henry
Heiland Garnett is busy doing the work, and so I

(01:05:58):
think that that's part of it. Other people write about him,
but he doesn't write about himself. And then towards the
end of his life he actually goes to Liberia. And
so he's a man who is so radical that when
he first proposes his you know, his resistance talk, what

(01:06:20):
does he call it? He has something that he addresses
the slaves. He's kind of like David Walker, which is
another powerful name. I hope people know and so Garnett
is actually a little too radical for the people around
him because he is giving the nineteenth century version of
any means necessary, do what you have to do to

(01:06:43):
bring about an end to this beast we call slavery,
do whatever it takes. And he did not stop at
armed resistance, and he was an armed resist This is
a tough story to put out there when you're trying
to show that you know, people are happy in singing
and they please with their plays. Gordnett has having none

(01:07:05):
of it, none of it. So that's why I think
he's a powerful person to begin with, and it's a
challenge to present him in a way that is acceptable
for children, so that we can really he's a minister,
and so he's got these sort of aspects and facets
to his life that are interesting to explore. But he's

(01:07:29):
not one of the he's not ame, he's not Baptist.
He is what we called, this is the term from
the time period. He's a colored Presbyterian. So there's a
whole section of Presbyterianism that is black. And so he
comes out of that tradition and out of the New

(01:07:51):
York tradition and leads the Presbyterian Church, and he leads
a White church for a while too, So he's a
very very interesting figure. And he has a dynamic childhood
and his parents and his family escape on the underground railroad,
which is how I if I'm talking about anybody, it's
because they have escaped on the underground railroad. They have

(01:08:14):
seized the moment to get their freedom by any means necessary.
So sometimes it's under their own power. Sometimes I'm looking
at people who escape with the British during the American Revolution.
I look at people who are conductors. If you, if
your choice is to go for your physical freedom, I

(01:08:37):
study you. And Garnett turns out to be just the
perfect example. I think for kids, we have his grandfather's story,
we have his father's story, we have his story, we
have his family story. And he has some very powerful

(01:08:57):
friends who are at who his friends friends with as kids,
and they grow up it to be powerful abolitionists in
their own right. So he's got this really sweeping, dynamic,
powerful story. And he's on the floor of Congress. He's
the first black person. You know, we were barred from

(01:09:18):
coming into Congress for a long time. He's the first
black person to speak on the floor of Congress. So
I mean all of those things I could, I could
go on.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
But though doctor Larroche in twenty six minutes had the
top down family just joined us. This is doctor Schelle Larocchi,
you know, or as a historian, also archaeologist and known
for her work in the Underground Railroad, introducing us to
another character that many of you probably didn't know. I
did not know. I've never heard of Henry Hyland Garnett
his story. Why do you think his story was so bad?

(01:09:51):
Was that intentional or or is it just you know,
just probably one of the many faces of black resistance
folks that just didn't make it consciousness after all these decades.

Speaker 10 (01:10:02):
Well, I'm a little surprised at this point to realize
the extent that people don't know who he is. I just,
you know, I know all these people. I've known him
for probably twenty or thirty years, and so it just
never occurred to me that he wasn't a household name.
And so I think number one, someone a writer has

(01:10:27):
to pick up the person and bring their story forward.
His story has been forwarded inside of the academic community.
But you know, I bridge the academic community. I come
outside and talk to the public. And so I now
realize that part of my job as a resurrector, I'm

(01:10:48):
considering myself, you know, one of the resurrectors, because I
have to bring these stories out from underneath the specific
places where they live, side of the academy, inside of
underground railroad literature, and give them his gifts to the
public and the resurrectors, the kids are doing the same

(01:11:08):
thing that I had to do to bring Garnett to life.
And so when I realize now that people don't know
who he is and never hurt, never heard his name,
I realized for myself, I mean, this isn't awakening for me,
how much work there is to be done. I think
that he's a touchy subject to handle. You gotta finesse him.

(01:11:33):
You can't just put him out there. You kind of
have to. I don't want to say that. You have
to present him in a way that people can receive him.
That's what I would say. And perhaps people have just
stayed away from him. And Douglas is so much easier.
Douglas is prolific. He leaves all these writings, he leaves

(01:11:54):
all these images. Harriet Tubman is easier Henry having Garnett
is not easy, you know, to dig to get his story,
because he doesn't leave you a roadmap into his life.
And I think it's a lesson for all of us
that we really have to kind of lay out who
we are. We have to let people know. And with Garnet,

(01:12:15):
you know, I'm carrying the banner for all of these
forgotten heroes, all of these unsung people who are not
just erased and buried. You know, sometimes you're forgotten, sometimes
you're erased, but sometimes you're ignored. And I think in
Garnett's case, he was ignored. And if you look, you know,

(01:12:35):
any book on black abolitionism, he's right there. But people
don't go deep into the subject. And there haven't been
any movies made about him. There haven't been any places
where he's been brought before the public in the places
where the public engages with history. So if you go
to an underground railroad museum, you're going to see Henry

(01:12:57):
Holland Garnet. But if you don't go to one of
those places where that's not your thing, then I and
we have to bring these things to you and say,
you know what, to use a very very old phrase,
we got to pull your coat tail and say, you
know what you need to know about this man. You
need to understand who he was. We have something to

(01:13:18):
learn from him, and these kids and the resurrectors have
something to learn from Henry Highland Garnett, and from all
of these people who escape on the underground railroad. When
you talk about code switching, I mean, this is the
ultimate code switch. You's kidding. So these are the things
that we want kids to be able to understand that

(01:13:39):
to survive any situation, you have to be able to
operate in ways that will get you well further your
effort in whatever situation you're in. You don't you know,
we have to be we have to be aware of
what is needed at the moment and be able to

(01:13:59):
deliver it. And for Garnet, he was actually pushing against
so much of what was happening in society during his time,
and he pushed against it in ways that people thought
were particularly back when slavery was enforced. And here's this
man saying no, no, no, no, you have to resist. Resist.

(01:14:22):
That mean, let your model be resistance. We could use
that today. We could put that on a sign and
walk around with it. Let your model be resistance. That
is what he is known for. And can you imagine
that there would be people who wouldn't want to touch
that if they were writing about the historical figure. And
for me to write about him for children, I have

(01:14:45):
to present him in a way that shows that this
is a powerful man who grows up to be one
of the most respected orators in the country. But the
other thing about Garnett is he's actually we would call
in this day and age disabled, So he's lost a
leg and so he's doing all this with one leg

(01:15:09):
and an amputated leg from an accident. So he's got
a lot of challenges that he has to overcome. And
then the story of the Resurrectors, excuse me, In the
Story of the Resurrectors, you will see how much he
has to overcome.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
All right, hold, I thought right there, twenty eight away
from the top, there have family just taking in. The
voice you're hearing is an archaeologist and historian, doctor Cheryl
la Roach, and has mentioned I keep mentioning it because
you've heard her before, but usually the conversation about the
underground railroad, and this is sort of a spin off
in one of the characters that she found about in
the underground railroad, and she's writing a children's book about him.

(01:15:47):
Is Henry Highland Garnett? Those you've heard of him, please
call us and let us know what you know about him.
But doctor Leroach, you say his message was more radical
than Frederick Douglas's. Can you explain?

Speaker 10 (01:15:59):
Yes, Oh, yes. When Henry Hiland Garnett first makes his
plea to the slaves, when he first talks about it,
he says, if we have to use armed resistance, if
we have to fight our way out of slavery, it's okay.

(01:16:20):
Frederick Douglas was more of a pacifist and really wanted
to stop short in the early time period. Frederick changes
his mind in the eighteen fifties, But in the beginning,
Henry Highland Garnett was just too radical for people. He
went to colored conventions and talked about this resistance, resistance
and do whatever you have to do, and people were

(01:16:40):
still trying to appease, people were still trying to use
People were trying during Henry Hiland Garnett's time, to appeal
to higher values, to moral suasion. They didn't really understand
the beast that they were up against. And so they
were still thinking that logic and reason, all the things

(01:17:02):
that we're taught would be enough to bring an end
to slavery, that it's unjust, that it's something that is
against God. They use all of these moral arguments to
try to end slavery. Henry saying, no, but it's not working.
We have to seize this beast and kill it. And

(01:17:23):
that was not a message that black abolitionists, that the
people in the colored conventions, that the people inside the
churches are major black institutions at the time, were ready
to hear. And so Garnett was leading the charge. What
he was presenting an argument that was not popular in

(01:17:47):
the eighteen forties when he was really talking about these things.
I mean, they become popular the closer we get to
the Civil War, the more disgusted people become that passed
the fee to the Slave Act. You realize that this
country is not going to uh listen, not going to adhere,
not going to live up to the moral standards that

(01:18:09):
we think that they will do. They're not going to
be noble when it comes to slavery. And that is
one of the things that distinguishes Henry Holland Garnett from
somebody like Frederick Douglas, and they they eventually come together.
But Douglas is one of the people that sort of
leads the charge against Garnet and helps defeat his proposal

(01:18:35):
about you know, sort of this lecturing and bringing this
resistance model forward. It's Douglas who actually shoots it down.
He's one of the ones that leads the charge that says, no,
this will not work. And so you understand that the.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Why did Frederick Douglas oppose him was it was it
a competition or it just didn't think that was feasible.

Speaker 6 (01:19:01):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:19:03):
But if you think about it today, if somebody think
about all of our most radical thinkers, you know, if
you think about when Marcus Garvey was saying we should
go back to Africa, when we think about the thoughts
and the ideas of the most radical among us that's
going against popular convention, and popular convention at the time

(01:19:27):
was something called moral suasion. We're going to persuade you morally,
and people were really hanging along.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
All right there, Dr Learroch. We got to check the
news now. But how once you finish that explaining to
us that difference why Douglas, you know, came up against
that Garnett because it's interesting. Yeah, family, I hope you
find it. This is very interesting with doctor Lerooche. You
want to join the discussion, they'll reach out to us
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(01:19:56):
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with us on this Wednesday morning with our guest that
doctor Schael Laroche. You've heard doctor Laroche before. She's an
archaeologist and she's also a researcher, an educator, and you
know her best from her work as a historian on
the Underground Railroad. Done a lot of research on that,

(01:20:17):
and she found out some more information about some of
the players on the Underground Railroad and she's she's going
to put them in some books, children's books that called
the Resurrection, the Resurrectors series and one of the and
she's gonna use Kickstar. We're going to talk about that
as well before where she leaves. But one of the
one of the persons that she's profiled, and it happens
to be Henry Highland. Garnett never heard of him before,

(01:20:39):
but she says she's more radical, uh than Frederick Douglas.
He's almost like Malcolm X, who want to hear more
about this Fela. But before we do that, though, I'm
sure remind you come up late this morning. Brother Keaty's
going to join us. Brother Kety' is a researcher. We're
going to hear about his latest project. Before we hear
from brother Keaty, though, Uh, we're going to hear from
from some of the sisters from Black Women for Positive
Change out with doctor Stephanie My and educator Constance Kinder.

(01:21:02):
And coming up tomorrow, we're going to speak with Morganset
University profession at doctor Ray Rimbush. Also from the Million
Women's March, Sister Filla will be here. Also DC activist
doctor Kayah Patterson will also checking. So if you are
in Baltimore, please keep your radio locked in tight on
ten TENWLB or if you're in the DMV or on
fourteen fifteen WL. All right, doctor ll Roach, I'll let

(01:21:22):
you finish your thoughts.

Speaker 10 (01:21:24):
So we were talking about Frederick Douglas and let me
just put a plug in www dot the resurrectors dot Com.
You can go there and help support us on Kickstarter
and buy a book or make a contribution. So we
were talking about Frederick Douglas and Henry Hiland Garnett and
why there was friction between them in the early period.

(01:21:47):
Henry Hiland Garnett has this address to the slaves. If
you google him, the Address to the Slaves will come up.
He is direct, he is telling it like it is there.
He's not pretending. He is saying all the things that
is happening to black folks around slavery at the time.

(01:22:10):
But if you think about what's happening today, there's a
certain climate of fear that people who are self sort
of self correcting and people who are sort of self
sanctioning and sort of you know, preempting any kind of
control by giving up their control. And I think that

(01:22:32):
in the period when Henry Holland Garnett is at his
most vocal and most radical, there were a lot of
fear that you were going to upset white folks, which
is something that you know is still going on, and
that they were going he was going to hurt the cause,

(01:22:52):
that he was going to do a lot of damage
because he's bringing up these very radical ideas. It's very
simp to what happened with Malcolm X. It's very similar.
You can't say these things. It's very similar to what
happened to the Black Panthers.

Speaker 7 (01:23:08):
You can't.

Speaker 10 (01:23:09):
There's a limit to the level of radicalism that most
public people can endure, that they can tolerate. I mean,
that's why they call it radical. You're beyond what most
people want to think about, and you're taking it in
the minds of more moderate you're taking it to the extreme.

(01:23:31):
But for Garnet, I think he saw, I mean, he
saw that this was going to come to armed conflict.
He understood, he saw it, and Douglas was still trying
to say hold on. Douglas is a very measured, thoughtful, intelligent,
not that Garnett is all of these things as well.

(01:23:53):
And Garnett is equally powerful as an orator too. He's
a great speaker, he can hold you. He's there. But
his message, his message was just deeply radical, and I
think that his upbringing. Both Garnet and Douglas escape from slavery.
So it's not like one of them had some privileged
upbringing and the other one didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:24:13):
That we don't have that.

Speaker 10 (01:24:14):
They both come out of slavery, and so they both
understand at its fundamental level what that means and what
that does to the human being, to the psyche, to
all of the ways in which we know that this
institution is grinding people or trying to grind people into

(01:24:35):
the ground. And so when you look at the two
of them side by side, Douglas is on a different
journey from Henry Highland Garnet. Douglas starts with William Lloyd Garrison,
who is the white abolitionist, who really is the person
who starts to liberate a newspaper. But Garnet is over

(01:24:55):
on the other side with the people working, and Douglas
too worked on the underground railroad. But Garnett is just
a different person and he's not afraid to speak, He's
not afraid to appeal to the radical factions that he
thinks is going to really help get bring it into slavery.

(01:25:19):
This is everybody has their own approach to how are
we going to end this and how are we going
to slay this beast call slavery? How are we going
to do it? And each took a different path. Ultimately
they both come to the Civil War. They either recruit
or they're working for the Civil War, because it gets
to that point where Douglas realizes what Garnett already knew,

(01:25:41):
that this is going to take more than we think
in DC after the war. And for people who don't
know him, he led the Fifteenth Street Presbyterian Church, and
so that's our connection in Washington. But he also was
a minister in New York and he was up in Troy,
New York. So he and you know, he's a very

(01:26:04):
early minister of what we would call an ambassador today.
And so he is one of these people that has
this extended story, but it's not as easy to tell
because you're going to have to engage with Garnett's politics.
And people have chosen stories like Frederick Douglass, even Josiah Henson,

(01:26:29):
I don't know if you've heard of him. Those stories
don't have the radical, the deeply radical element that Garnet
also has.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
And so that I think this thing thought right there
a tent away from the top of that, because during
this conversation I was googling Hi when I found out
that doctor Malefia Sante listed him as one of the
one hundred greatest African Americans. So he's one of our
top scholars, doctor Sante, said about Henry Highland Garnett. But
having said that, though doctor l Roach, are you going

(01:27:00):
to portray him for children? Is there a different challenge
in doing this for children as supposed to doing it
for adults.

Speaker 9 (01:27:07):
Oh.

Speaker 10 (01:27:08):
Absolutely, it's a huge challenge. I mean it's been At first,
I was just going to stop at his childhood and
not get into it because that because it is a challenge,
because I want to not dilute his radical messages. But
I also don't want to sound like I'm advocating and
condoning violence, and so I have to walk that line

(01:27:29):
on Garnet, and I have to really be careful and
how to present him so that he is acceptable for
children and their parents. So that's where we are in
terms of trying to get this story out. Stress that
he felt that and he protects himself. I mean, there's

(01:27:50):
a part in the book where I have to actually
talk about him protecting himself. And he doesn't harm anyone,
Thank god, no one is ever harmed. But he had
made up his mind that he was not he was
not going to accept any kind of treatment that came
towards him. And once you make up your mind that

(01:28:11):
you're not going to do this, that you know it was,
I'm going to stand up to the bully. Then you
realize that he's got a lot of aspects that well,
one aspect of his story that has to be presented
to children in a way that is acceptable for the
age group. We're looking at young adults for the Resurrectors

(01:28:33):
and you know, eight to thirteen, and so we want
to present a story that is uplifting and empowering, but
I do not want to dilute this man's life either.
So that is a huge challenge and so thank you
for recognizing that, and we are sensitive to it. We're
sensitive to it. But we also know that we have
to talk about him as a preacher, as a minister,

(01:28:56):
as a man of God. You know, he's an ambassador,
he is on he's on the floor of Congress. He's
a highly accomplished man. And so we have to really
think about how are we going to wrap this this
kind of accomplishment inside of some of his more radical ideas.

(01:29:16):
And that's a challenge. And we want children to be
able to identify with Garnett. We want them to be
able to understand what a powerful figure. He is, all
the good that he did, all the things that he
brings forward for us. But like you said, people don't
know who he is. And that's the work of the Resurrectors.

(01:29:37):
So if you go to www dot the Resurrectors r
E S you r R E c t O r
S dot com, you can help us bring this story
to life. This is our mission, this is what we
have chose to do. This is how we have decided
that we're going to meet the moment. It's not not

(01:30:00):
good enough at this point to just hold the line.
It's not good enough to just not lose ground. We
really feel like we have to forge ahead, and Garnett
is a great champion for us to start with. You know,
we're meeting the moment. We're battling for our history in
the ways in which we know how to fight, just

(01:30:22):
like you're presenting things on your show, in the ways
in which you know how to fight. We have to
really define for ourselves what's important, and we start out.
He's our lead, he's you know, lead off batter. We
are starting out with Henry Holland Garnett because we can
have an accurate story of his whole life from his
childhood to his death. So we can give you a

(01:30:44):
complete story of not only him, his father, his grandfather,
his family, his mother, his sister. We can tell you
the full, complete story of his life. No longer do
we have to settle for sound bites in history. And
this is the other thing when you ask about him
and Douglas, this is a complex history. Black history is complex,

(01:31:06):
but it often is presented in these black facts and
Black moments and just little tiny nuggets of information. Black history,
when you get into it, is deeply complicated, and Garnett
is a deeply complicated man. We are complex people with
complex feelings, and we have to present people in all

(01:31:30):
of aspects of their humanity, and Garnet is a perfect
place to start. We want to bring back stories of
courage and heroism and compassion, and we want to resurrect
these things for our children. We want to talk about
them so that children can see role models that they
can pattern their lives after. And when you think about

(01:31:52):
the underground railroad as one big problem to be solved,
the ways in which people seek their freedom maintain their freedom,
it's just ingenious and lots and lots of instructive moments
here that people can learn about how to confront problems,

(01:32:13):
how to overcome problems, what do you do when it
looks like there is no way out? I see this
every day, So I think that the Resurrectors is our answer,
or one of our answers to really coming and trying
to bring this education to children and hopefully to adults,
because like you said, people don't know who he is.

(01:32:34):
And even though he's on the list of one hundred
most influential Blacks, we still don't know who he is.
And it'd be interesting to check out how.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Many you know, Yeah, doctor rose Hold, I thought right there.
Melvin wants to speaking, but we got to check the
traffic and weather in our different cities. I let Melvin
get in out in this conversation as well. When we
get back, it's three minutes away from the top of
the family. I guess they starts to show a Roach.
As I mentioned, doctor Roach is an archaeologist and also historian,
and she's got a new project working on and Melvin
wants to talk to us. So we'll talk with Melvin

(01:33:03):
when we get back, and you two can join our
conversation at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six and will take a calls after the trafficking
weather This name and Grand Rising family, and thanks for
staying with us on this Wednesday morning. And two minutes
after the top of they momentary, we're gonna speak with
two the more dynamic sisters from a Black Woom for
Positive Change of Constance Kinder and doctor Stephanie Myers. Right

(01:33:23):
now we're with doctor Cheryl L. Roach. And doctor Roach
is a historian and archaeologist and educator and many of
you heard her before. Many most of her research has
been on the Underground Railroad. This is sort of a
takeoff of one of the characters or one of the
living or used to be living characters of the Underground Railroad.
And as I mentioned before we left for the traffic
and weather update, Melvin in Baltimore has a comment or

(01:33:46):
once to speak to doctor the Roach. He's online two
Grand Rising Melvin, You're on with dodtr.

Speaker 17 (01:33:50):
Laroach Grand Rising. Everyone. Mister Garnett felt we were in
an impossible situation having to live with the Kylin NASA.
Could you speak on the fact that he wanted to
put away a separate section of the nation for black people.

Speaker 10 (01:34:12):
Thank you, he definitely wanted to go back to Africa
at some point. He is an immigrationist. I mean he
turns to that in terms of putting aside a part
of the country for black people that I have to
read about. I don't know that that was a major

(01:34:33):
platform of his, but certainly he wanted to come out
of the country. He didn't think that there was a
place for us, and he decides after a while that
he has to leave and go into Africa. That's his point.
But he comes to that. You see, people he arrives
at it. He is looking around the diaspora. He's looking

(01:34:57):
at different places to see where we can go, where
we can immigrate, And Quinn did the same thing, by
the way, you know, looking to see where we can
go outside of this country to be peaceful, to be accepted,
to be full human beings. And so I would say
that he wants to leave this country only to find

(01:35:22):
some place where he thinks there can be more opportunities
for blacks. So that's more of his direction. And again
there's tension around that too, just like with Marcus Garvey,
where people are saying, no, our place is here. We
belong on this soil, we belong here, and so they're
all when I talk about the complexities of black history,

(01:35:43):
these are the dynamics that we're talking about. But it's
hard for America to deal with more than one competing
idea from black people. If you think about how our
history has run. We have one person who's supposed to lead,
and when somebody challenges them with the country kind of crumbles.
They don't know who to look for, which which black

(01:36:04):
man black woman is right, and we're both They're both right,
it's not there's different ways to manage these problems, and
Douglas and Garnett have different ideas about how to do it. So, yes,
he is looking for places beyond America, and he's only
looking because America isn't giving African Americans what they need.

(01:36:30):
That slaveryone wants to go against that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Yeah. Hold, I thought right there, because we've got some
more folks on deck on next set of guests. But
before I let you go, though, I got to read
this this tweet, or actually it's from one of our listeners,
and the listeners it says, Hotel, here's my pleasure. This
is a fantastic quansa gift for children in the family.
Your guest comes in the great spirit of educators that

(01:36:54):
have now transitioned into the ancestral realm doctor John Herry Clark,
doctor A to Heal It and others. Any black person
with school age children need to support this effort. May
our ancestors be pleased with our good works A Shay
And this is for brother Greg And it's actually an
email they sent me. So I just wanted to read
that to you because you know, sometimes you think you're

(01:37:16):
you're out there and you're laboring, and people aren't listening
to people are and and before I let you go,
how can people get involved in the Kickstarter program so
we can get here?

Speaker 14 (01:37:25):
Here's what you do.

Speaker 10 (01:37:26):
You can either go straight to kickstarter dot com and
click on the Resurrectors or you can go to the
Resurrectors r E S you r R E c t
O r S dot com and there's a big orange
button that says click to Kickstarter. It'll take you to Kickstarter.

(01:37:47):
You'll have to log in and then you can make
a contribution. If you don't want to buy the book,
you can give us a donation or there are several
different ways you can buy an e book. You can
buy a page for back a hardcover or what we're
most proud of, the collector's edition. They're educational packages, their
library packages. All of those things are available and the

(01:38:10):
book will be published in twenty twenty six. So we're
pulling the funding together now for illustrators, for all the
production costs, and you can help us bring this dream
to life for our children, bring this dream to life
for our history, that we can move beyond some of
the rhetoric that's happening to the Department of Education, that's

(01:38:32):
happening to education around the country. This is our intervention,
This is our activism. This is how we have chosen
to meet the moment and your help, the community support
because we have to turn to one another, you know,
we're the ones we're waiting for. We have to turn
to one another for support. And we hope that you
will find this effort worthy of your donations, worthy of

(01:38:56):
your attention, and worthy of a book that you want
to give to your children and your grandchildren and frankly
that you'll read yourself. I mean, I think it's something
as the more I talk to folks and the more
I realize nobody knows who he is, that this is,
this is really much. It's even more important than I
realized when I started. I didn't know that people didn't

(01:39:19):
know who he was, right.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
And that's a challenge for the family. This morning. Family
do some research on Henry Highland Garnet. So next time
we have doctor Larroach come back, we can you can
share with us what you've you've found out about Henry
Highland Garnet. Doctor Larroch, thank you, Thank you for what
you do. Thank you for all all the work that
you do, especially the Underground Railroad series that you did,
and now publishing these books for our young people. So

(01:39:44):
I just want to thank you personally for doing that.

Speaker 10 (01:39:46):
Well. Thank you. And you know, when I come back,
I'll have another because we're resurrecting, I'll probably have another
story for you, so you know, we.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Can just make it story our okay, yeah, because you know,
so many of our so many of folks that helped
us in the past, they don't get they don't get
this spotlight. And if we don't do it, nobody else
is going to do it.

Speaker 10 (01:40:02):
So I under you you'll do it exactly. And I
am humbled to be included in the names and the
likes of Asa Hilliard and doctor Ben and doctor Clark.
I mean that that's that you've made my day.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Thank you, you're doing the work. Thank you, Doctor the Roach,
thank you. All right, family, let's move on now to
guess from the Black Boom for Positive Changed, Dr Stephanie Myers.
Also Constance kind Is Realists. Dr Myers Grand Rising, welcome
back to the program. It's DODR. Myers Realists on line four.

(01:40:38):
All right, not hearing Dr Dr Myers. All right, let's
let's try Constance kind Of online three. Constance grand Rising, Hello,
good morning. Dr Myers grand Rising, welcome to the program.

Speaker 18 (01:40:54):
Yes, good morning. Can you hear me now?

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Yeah, we can hear you now.

Speaker 18 (01:40:59):
Okay, great rising to you, Carl, thank you for having.

Speaker 9 (01:41:02):
Us on this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
And Doctor MYERSA please introduce your guest with us.

Speaker 18 (01:41:08):
Yes, we're very pleased this morning to have miss Constance
Kinder with us. And she's one of the people in
our network who's working with young people to reach out
to them through education and help them use artwork. And
she'll be able to explain more of what she does,
but how to use art as a tool to stop violence.

(01:41:29):
So she's a business woman, she owns a business of
her own, and works with nonprofits and schools, very qualified
women in Maryland.

Speaker 6 (01:41:38):
All right, this morning, good morning.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Yes we can hear you.

Speaker 6 (01:41:46):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
Yeah, just hold on a second here, because we've got
to get the folks get some more information about the
conference and what Black Women for Positive Change is all about.
Because we always have some new listens. Some people are
hearing you for the first time, doctor Mage. You understand
how this business works. So if you can give us
some background how you started Background for Positive Change and
also about the upcoming.

Speaker 18 (01:42:08):
Conference, Well, absolutely, Carl. For the past fourteen years, our
organization has promoted the idea of non violence. We started
off with a day of non violence, then it expanded
to a week and now for the month of October,
we've been conducting activities all over the country.

Speaker 6 (01:42:30):
And all over the world.

Speaker 18 (01:42:32):
Are we having a little audio problem?

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
I think Kevin solved it.

Speaker 18 (01:42:36):
Go ahead, Okay, great, all right, So this October, starting
in the beginning of the month, we started to promote
activities because, Carl, many people feel that right now we're
in a time of crisis, and so we're trying to say,
look like the ancient Chinese used to say, crisis is opportunity.

(01:42:56):
We want to reach out to our community and say, yes,
we have some issues that we're facing, but we're leaders.
You're a leader, Everyone is a leader, and we have
to take the time to look at this issue of
violence and how we can address it. So our overall
theme is to change the culture of violence in America

(01:43:17):
and the world, and for the past fourteen years, that's
what we've been working on. I really enjoyed listening to
your last speaker, doctor Laroach, because she talked about the
role of understanding history, and that is so critical for
all people to realize that America was started with violence,
the genocide against Native Americans, enslavement of our ancestors, even

(01:43:41):
the Europeans who came over here an indentured servitude. So
the history picture is important. So what we're doing is
having events in different communities in the United States and
around the world to change the culture of violence.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
All right, and the conferences of starts when it started October.

Speaker 18 (01:44:01):
See, there's not just one activity. We've had thirty activities
around the country. A lot of them are virtual, so
your listeners can go to montho Nonviolence dot org and
they can sign up to participate personally in some of
the activities happening over the next two weeks. These activities

(01:44:21):
are online, some of them are face to face, so
it's a combination of things. And I'll talk later about
some of the examples of activities that we have had.
But even more important, Carl, there's two weeks left, and
the listeners can decide to have their own activities to
address violence in their community. We know that violence starts

(01:44:43):
at the kitchen table a lot of times now a
lot of times it happens in the street, and we
know that law enforcement and oppression against our community contributes
to violence. But a lot of what we've learned, Carl,
is there's so much going on in the household that
people are secrets of about and don't want to talk about.
So your listeners can create their own activity in their

(01:45:06):
own home, in their own nonprofit or recreation center, at
their church, at their job, pull together leaders and talk
about what's going on in their lives and what kind
of violence is there that no one's talking about, and
how it can be stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
All right, fourteen and a half that top conscious your
role in the Black Men for Positive Changes Conference.

Speaker 9 (01:45:33):
I'm sorry, Kate said again, can you.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
Tell us your role with in the conference with Black
Women for Positive Change.

Speaker 6 (01:45:41):
Oh well, I'm the owner of I'm the owner of
Auntie Connie's Creative Corner, and I'm also are educated in
the Prince George's County Public School system where I teach
at Sarato High School. And so that's my connection with
the Black Women for Positive of Change. And so this
year and in the past two years, I've had the

(01:46:05):
opportunity to serve with them in this amazing theme with
dealing with nonviolence, and being that October is Domestic Violence
Awareness Month, it just kind of one hand washes with
the other in terms of getting out there understanding that peace.
As doctor Meyers stated, peace starts at home. And so

(01:46:28):
unlike last year, this year I decided to work with
my own high school students dealing with peace, family and
the whole concept of artificial intelligence. And so a couple
of questions I had my students to answer before we
got into the creative peace of it is like what

(01:46:49):
does peace mean to them? And how does their families
ensure that they live a peaceful life? And some of
the responses were very you know, interesting, Some was like, well,
Ms Kendall, what if you know I don't live with
my family, and I was like, well, you know, there's

(01:47:10):
still peace. And so they took their responses to the
questions that I asked them and created some amazing artwork
from that. And through the artwork, they had the opportunity
to either created using mixed media meaning collaging, paining, drawing,

(01:47:35):
or they could have did it hybrid which with that
artificial intelligence piece designing a AI image and remixing it
to make it their own. Or they had the opportunity
to work with a group of other peers to create
a collage of sorts or not a collage, I'm sorry,

(01:47:57):
a mural of sorts.

Speaker 13 (01:47:59):
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
I let you finish your thought. On the other side,
we've got to step aside for a few moments. Family,
just checking in. Our guess is conscious. Kanye just heard
and also doctor Stephanie Myers from Black Women for Positive
Change having their annual Month after nonviolence, and we're hearing
some of the efforts are going to take place and
how you can get involved as well. But right now
we've got to step aside for a few months. To
come back. You want to join this discussion, reach out

(01:48:21):
to us at eight hundred and four or five zero,
seventy eight, seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls
next and Grand Rising Family IFA actually staying with us
on this Wednesday morning at twenty minutes after the top
of the hour. Like guests from Black Women for Positive Change,
we have doctor Stephanie Myers also Constants Kinda and Constence
is also teachers at Sarratsville School in this is in
Peach County and Clinton, Maryland. I think that's the exactly

(01:48:43):
place where it is. Before we left, though, she was
we're talking about nonviolence and Black Women for Positive Change.
They half their month of nonviolence and this is part
of the program and consciences ask some of her students
about nonviolence. And before we left for the break, you
will tell us about some of the responses constens. So
can finished telling us some of the responses to the
students when you had them pose that question to them.

Speaker 6 (01:49:06):
Yes, so I was saying that, you know, the responses
that the students were providing was very well. Some was
very encouraging to know that families do provide that peace
in the household and that some of the kids, you know,
their question was like, you know, well, what if I
don't live with my family, and I'm like, but there's

(01:49:27):
still peace, you know. And so from that they was
able to provide some some wealth of knowledge about themselves
in that household. That gave me the opportunity to learn
even more about them as individuals. And so they took
those responses and created some amazing artwork using using those responses.

(01:49:50):
Some did uh, they did remixes of AI images dealing
with peace and families. Uh, some did murals, some did collaging,
and all the work was just completely like just amazing.
I do plan. I have shared some of the samples

(01:50:10):
of examples to Doctor Myers and the Black Women for
Positive Change to see how our students see art and
art is life and that's just something I've always told them.
They and they just took it and took peace and
family and artificial intelligence and created these amazing pieces of work.

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
Well, I got to ask you this question. Conscious saw
the students where they're sort of reluctant to get involved
because you know, whatever happens in the home stays in
the home. You know, people believe that they want to
put their business out on the street. Did you get
any pushback from any of the students on that issue.

Speaker 8 (01:50:42):
Well, I didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:50:44):
But see the thing about the questions, it wasn't a
thing where they needed to give me details. It was
somewhat like a yes or no. But then give me
just a little overall explanation on how I didn't ask
for like I didn't actually exactly detail information about the household.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
All right, good deal, Dr Myers. How are you going
to use this information you got from Conscience?

Speaker 7 (01:51:10):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
I'm going to use it in the conference.

Speaker 18 (01:51:12):
Well, the using art and music and poetry, those are
ways that we can really try to get people's attention
with this whole issue of how to stop violence. We
have a peace Pledge, for example, and this peace pledge
is something that we're reaching out to everyone to recite
the peace Pledge and filment and let's put it up

(01:51:33):
on social media. We have it on TikTok and Instagram.
And the idea of using art and music and recitation
and role playing, these are things that young people respond to.
Mayor Cherrell Parker of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and Tavis Smiley have
done the peace Pledge, and one day, Carl, I hope

(01:51:53):
you'll do it, because we have to show the young
people that the people that they respect and admire the
role models believe in peace. We also have tried to
include subject matter that the young people are into. You
heard Miss Kinder talk about artificial intelligence and how she
integrated that into the art. Well, this is something that

(01:52:15):
we're also focusing on because our theme was the Month
of Nonviolence, Families and Understanding Artificial Intelligence, and one of
the guests of your show in the past, Reverend doctor
Barbara Reynolds. She hosted a workshop last Saturday with Adam
Clayton Powell, the third somebody you should have on your show,

(01:52:36):
talking about artificial intelligence and what's next for the community. Well,
just like Constance Kinder integrated it into art, we have
to get people to realize artificial intelligence might contribute to
stopping violence, but we have to figure out how and
it may also contribute to starting violence. So we're looking

(01:52:58):
at how to understand art official intelligence and how to
work with the families. Miss Kinder talked about the kids,
saying that they didn't live with their family, but she
encouraged them to talk about peace anyway. Families are very
very critical and one of the things we learned Carl
at one of our sessions this October, so many young

(01:53:19):
people are still experiencing domestic violence. One out of four women,
one out of five men. It's incredible. We had one
young lady who used to try to beat up her
father because he was beating up her mother, and after
he would start hitting moms, she would jump on him. Well,
eventually she got arrested. The child, fourteen years old, ended

(01:53:42):
up in juvenile delinquency because she was beating on her father.
But the good part of that story is when she
was in juvenile delinquency, she was exposed to anger management
and other tools that could calm her down. Now she's
working on her doctorate in nursing. She went from a
violent household to now getting her doctorate in nursing. So

(01:54:05):
we know that opportunity is possible, and that's what we
want to keep telling our people and telling ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
You know, this begs this question, doctor Maija, that that
young young sister there she saw the violence you know home?
Does that she came That's what she grew up at.
That's her realm of existence with her parents fighting. Had
not there been some intervention, do you think she would
carry on perpetuate what she saw in the home when
she becomes an adult.

Speaker 18 (01:54:34):
Absolutely She said it was her lifestyle, she was used
to it. And she wasn't the only speaker on this
panel that the National Black Nurses put together during the
Month of Nonviolence. Several of the women talked firsthand about
the violence they experienced as children and how it went
on and on and on. And this is how we

(01:54:55):
have to get your listeners, Carl. We have to be
the leaders. We have to hold institutions accountable. Your listeners
need to talk to their pastors, talk to the leaders
of the groups that they're a part of, and say, look,
we need to talk about how we can promote wellness
and healing in our families. How we can address issues

(01:55:16):
that are secretive, like violence. How can we get people
to talk about it, Carl. One time I asked the
minister if he would do a sermon on nonviolence and
domestic violence at his church, and he said, are you kidding?
He said, no way. Half of the people in my
church are either victims or perpetrators, and I'll lose my congregation.

(01:55:39):
Now that's unacceptable. We have to have our churches step
up and help the people in the church learn how
to transcend this violence heritage that comes out of slavery.

Speaker 7 (01:55:50):
You know, we know what started it.

Speaker 18 (01:55:52):
Our people in Africa did n't act this way. It
came out of slavery. So we have to change this culture.
And that's why we're so proud of the work that
Instance Kinder is doing out in Maryland, and we hope
that other schools and other people will imitate and follow
her lead. They can go to our website Month of
Nonviolence dot org. I'm saying it early, I know, but

(01:56:12):
I want to just give people the opportunity to know
that they can still sign up for activities and they
can look at the Peace Pledge on Instagram and TikTok.
They can go to TikTok at Black Women for Pause
Change and listen to the mayors and listen to the
individuals doing the peace Pledge.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
Yeah, we're going to give you. Let you do that
information again before you leave here. At twenty eight after
top they I see the doctor Barbara renoldsis Jones. But
before we go back to go to doctor Renolds though
conscious kind of with the violence that you see on
school campuses, do the children that you interact with do
they understand the dynamics you know about nonviolence? Do they

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really understand that because a lot of times when you
get in it's so impulsive you don't have time to
really consider how to calm down. Do they understand all
of that stuff?

Speaker 6 (01:57:08):
I don't find that in most cases they do understand.
But as doctor Mayas shared, in some cases, because of
the community that they're in and in some cases the
families that they belong to, they think that's part of
the culture. They think that's what they're supposed to do.

(01:57:29):
And so what we we just do our very best
as the adults to just share with them that there's
more than one way to solve a conflict. Solving conflict
does not always mean calling one another out of their names,
because that can lead to violence or put in your
hands on somebody. And so we work very hard with

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working with our teenagers to express that that sentiment.

Speaker 18 (01:57:57):
And there's an excellent organizations all the Dcpeace Team teaches
what exactly she's talking about. We have organizations all over
the country that work on anger management. And just like
Kathy Hughes said in her message, knowing how to talk
to people is very very critical.

Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
But you thirty after the top dodr mais you've expanded this.
It just was local and national. Now it's international. Can
you name drop for us some of the countries that
your organization is now working with.

Speaker 18 (01:58:28):
Yes, we're very proud that we are working overseas with
the African Harmony Collective in Malawi, the Women in Mediation
Network in Legos, Nigeria, the Movement for African Emancipation in Legos.
We have participants in Sierra Leone, the Young Africans Community
Empowerment and they're having their own beautiful workshops. We even

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have a young woman leaving from Chicago in a few
weeks going over with doctor E. S. Williams to Gambia
and they're going to lead a discussion over there on
nonviolence with young ladies who are also victims of gender violence.
And Mayor Jawara, he's in Contour and this is over

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in Gambia. They're going to have an event, in fact,
it's October twenty second today where they're going to be
talking about ways to end violence and build stronger families.
So these countries overseas have gender violence, they have other
issues that they're dealing with, and it's really been wonderful
to see how we've been able to partner with ten

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states in the United States and six countries overseas, and
one of our good brothers, Carl, of course, you're one
of our original good brothers and we're so.

Speaker 6 (01:59:42):
Proud of that.

Speaker 18 (01:59:43):
But one of our good brothers over in South Korea.
He's with Omega psci Fi and he put on an
event in South Korea in the school system where they
talked about violence and nonviolence and Omega Sci Fi Fraternity
was a part of that and their topic was is
the protection of womanhood and how they can protect girls

(02:00:04):
and it was really terrific. But I know Reverend Reynolds
is on and she's a real leader in artificial intelligence,
and I'm sure she'd like to contribute as well. But
there's lots going on in America and overseas, and we're
just very proud of that. But it's got to get
bigger because violence is a world problem. What we're seeing
go on in different countries in the world. It has

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to stop because the creativity, the love, the beauty that
our community brings to the country and the world, that's
what we need to celebrate. And that's why we're promoting
the Peace Pledge, which I hope you'll let me say
before we're done, and that's why we're promoting the Month
of Nonviolence, Families and artificial intelligence all right, twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
Away from the top they she mentioned that doctor Reverend
doctor Barbara Reynolds is John Seln, founder of Say. Doctor
Reynolds is the Dean of Black Journalists. She broke the
ceiling for many of us in this business. Doctor Reynolds,
welcome back to the program.

Speaker 7 (02:01:01):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 9 (02:01:02):
I'm always.

Speaker 7 (02:01:04):
To be on with you.

Speaker 9 (02:01:07):
And of course this subject is so important to me
because I'm a chaplain for Black positive change and it's
written a book on artificial intelligence, and of course I
have so much respect for Cutting as art teacher and entrepreneur.
But just at one word of caution and that adults,

(02:01:32):
parents have to be looking at what our children are
doing online. There's a trend now for young people and
some old to use artificial intelligence as their therapists, that
they can tune into certain bots and discuss their problems

(02:01:55):
with them. And we don't know what kind of information
bots are giving.

Speaker 2 (02:02:01):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (02:02:01):
It's been one particular thing of how a bottom was
talking with this young person and the person was saying
that their parents were were not were mean to them.
So the bot uh, instructed them to kill them and
also killed their sister because she would tell. And this

(02:02:25):
is this is reports. I'm studying this and I have
a grand a grandchild that was over. She's a godchild.
And the whole time she was over, she was on
her cellphone. I kept saying, Hey, I'm the human here,
you can talk to me. And I said, what are
you doing? She says, well, I'm getting information from from

(02:02:49):
the phone on how to deal with my boyfriend and
and he's not treating me right, and so I'm talking
to him therapy. I said, well, do you do you
know that this is not a person, this is a machine.
Why do you choose over people? And she said, well,

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because it doesn't he.

Speaker 7 (02:03:12):
Doesn't judge me.

Speaker 9 (02:03:14):
And so the fact that you know, young people are
thinking that these these are real people, and they're seeking
things that they can't get from real people. And we
don't know what they're looking at. You just look at
your kids, they're all on their phones. Do you know

(02:03:35):
who it's? So I'm trying to.

Speaker 10 (02:03:37):
To, you know, put a word in here for a
more parent.

Speaker 9 (02:03:42):
And an adult authority, because some adults just say, well,
we don't understand this stuff. So we just skip to
the kids. That's wrong. So that's right, that's right, that's true, Yes,
that I will. But but there are like you know,
doctor Marris points out, you know, you can do so

(02:04:05):
many great things.

Speaker 4 (02:04:06):
You can write.

Speaker 9 (02:04:07):
Yes, of course, now teachers are complaining that too many
of the children are sending into the homework that AI
and the kids don't have a clue what it is.
So I'm just saying a word of caution here, and
Carlos I can interject her. We had and it's not AI.

(02:04:29):
It's not evil, neither is it good. We just have
to be on guard to see what it's doing.

Speaker 1 (02:04:36):
All right, hold up, all right there, Dodr Myrs, i'
let you respond when we get back. We have to
take a short break here twenty four minutes away from
the top of the our family, just checking in our
guess constant kinda doctor Stephanie Meyers, the Reverend doctor Barbara
Renalds all from Black Men for Positive Change. They're having
the annual month of nonfinance. You want to join this conversation,
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and will take your phone

(02:04:57):
calls next all right family nineteen away from on top
of that with our guest from Black Women for Positive
Change that we have conscious kind of doctor Stephanie Meyers
and the Reverend doctor Barbara Reynolds. Before we go back
to them, let's remind you a comp lay this morning
we when speak of researcher brother Keaty Awadu. Brother Keaty
is stepping up for us and he's going to tell
us about the Ladies project that he's working on. And
tomorrow we're going to join by Morgan State Professor Doctor

(02:05:19):
Ray Wimbos will be here. Also the Million Women's March
Sister phill A will join us and DC Activates Doctor
Kakai Patterson will also be here as well. So if
you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radiar
locked in real tight on ten ten WLB or if
you're in the DMV, we're on fourteen fifty w L.
All right, before we left it, I think that Dr
Meyers wanted to respond to something that either Constance said

(02:05:41):
or Doctor Reynolds said, So go ahead, doctor Yes.

Speaker 18 (02:05:43):
Doctor Reynolds was talking about the role of us of
young people and relating to artificial intelligence and the impact
it can have on their lives. Last week we had
a session over at Archifiicial Carol High School. Actually it
was this week, and doctor Sharie War pulled together about
fifty high school students to talk about the issue of

(02:06:04):
artificial intelligence and what impact it can have on their
lives and Carl the thing that was really wonderful about
it was to be in contact with these high school
students and see how brilliant they were. I mean, it
was just amazing. They all knew what they wanted to
do with their lives, their plans. It was so inspirational.
But they talked about artificial intelligence and their class work,

(02:06:28):
and they said, the problem is if you use AI
to do a school paper, AI may do a whole
ten pages for you, but you don't really know what
it means.

Speaker 9 (02:06:39):
So you can turn the paper in.

Speaker 18 (02:06:40):
And get your grade. But if someone were to ask
you a question, what's in the paper, you don't know
because you didn't do the research yourself. So the high
school students were saying that people should degraded on their
own work and not on the work of AI. The
high school students also felt that AI could be an
intervene in violence and arguments and help people find common

(02:07:04):
ground because AI wouldn't take either side. So our young
people have some brilliant ideas. And I'd like to thank
Mayor Muriel Bowser for the beautiful proclamation that she gave
for the Month of Nonviolence, and the Richard Wright School
that is also going to do a project with high
school students next week. So this is Carl, this is
where we can all play a role. Everyone listening can

(02:07:27):
really reach out to the schools, the churches, the community
agencies and do like Constance Kinders, doing like doctor Reynolds
is doing, and make a difference. Bring this subject of
violence up on the table because no one wants to
talk about it and make people face it and deal
with the personal experiences they've had and how they can
stop that from being handed on to the next generation.

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
Okay, sixting away from the top, Doctor Reynolds, I know
you've got written a book about AI and done a
lot of research and about intelligence. How can we use
AI to stop or you know, or reduce the incidents
of violence in our community.

Speaker 9 (02:08:10):
Well, first of all, this is one thing that our
group that every instate we talk about the hot topics
of what's going on with AI and what we have
to do is to try to get people just to
stop everyday people to stop AI to learn that because

(02:08:33):
it's a great tool and that it's can't help all
of them. But what the ordinary the media are not
telling us is that it also has a dark side.
In fact, we had a panel uh last week, well
Adam Clayton Power was on it, and he was trying
to make sure that growing up's children of us do

(02:08:56):
not trust it as as a con for that because
it is still a machine and it's it's programmed by
people who have all kinds of reasons for doing so.
So I see so many everyday people their children are

(02:09:17):
using it in home and sometimes you say, well, what
what's what are they looking at? What what are they doing?
They say, oh, that's what that's what they do. Well,
we have had terrible reports of bosting children despicable things.

Speaker 1 (02:09:34):
So this is what we do.

Speaker 9 (02:09:36):
One of the things many things that Black Woman Propositive
Change does Every other Wednesday we are talking about the
latest topics, the good, the bad, and the ugly, and
one of these because it was the time when kids
had we had a problem. The first thing we could

(02:09:58):
do our parents, uh, even our pastors. But so many
people now they use Google. They're searching for solutions with
Google's It don't matter how much you like Google, it's
it's still a machine. So that's what we have to do,
is is talk about the importance of of of human interaction.

(02:10:23):
We know that AI has replaced humans in a very
visible way. When Elon Musk came in and replaced thousands
of workers in one day. You are now, you know,
searching for a way up. So we have to understand

(02:10:44):
it from all different aspects. And this is not the
same that Black Women's Positive Change or take a leadership
posisue to try to make our legislators have guardrails to
protect our children and protect us from misinformation as big.

Speaker 18 (02:11:05):
And we're not We're not just a We're not just
a women's organization, Carl. We're Black Women for Positive Change.
But we invite men and young people and people of
all races to be a part of what we do.
And they could sign up at Black Women for Positive
Change dot org.

Speaker 1 (02:11:21):
Right, you know, talk to mine as usually Sam going
to tell us, how did you come up with this
brain child for Black Women for Positive Change.

Speaker 18 (02:11:29):
Well, we really had started off talking about career development
for young people. We wanted to focus on how young
people could come out of difficult situations and achieve. And
then Trayvon Martin got killed down there in Florida, and
we just got so upset about how this young man
could go looking for a refreshment, go to the convenience

(02:11:50):
store and then come home and someone attacks him and
kills him all the way back to his dad's home.
So we decided we wanted to do something to intervene,
and it was really reverand Reynolds was a part of
that whole discussion, and we decided we needed to highlight
this issue of violence, and we needed to give people
alternatives and choices, and that's why we came up with

(02:12:11):
the Nonviolence Initiatives. And right now we're reaching out to
people listening saying we want you to be a part
of this. We want you to learn the Nonviolence Peace Pledge,
which you can get at Month of Nonviolence dot org.
Make a video of yourself. These days, everyone is using
social media, so we should all use it also. Let's

(02:12:33):
start a movement. Last night, Carl, you probably heard that
CBS reported that there were millions of violent videos going
out over social media and Instagram, millions of them, millions
of violent videos. Well, we have to take the reverse
of that. We need millions of peace pledges, millions of

(02:12:54):
positis of examples like what Constance Kinder's doing at her school,
millions of pieces of art that show peace. We have
to start a movement to change this culture. And we
can do that because America has changed its culture before.
We know that we went from being in bondage. We're
not completely free yet, but we went from bondage to freedom.

(02:13:17):
We know that women went from being in the kitchen
to being CEOs of companies. We know that even straight
and gay people have changed their lifestyles over the last
ten or twenty years. So we know that there's a
lot of change that America could make. And that's what
we want to see, is that change all right.

Speaker 1 (02:13:35):
Ten away from the top, doctor rendolds as doctor just
mentioned that there's hundreds of thousands of these these they
may be done by both. They're on there, you know,
instigating violence, some of them even using black folks to
start finance against I saw one particular ones and this
was put out by government officials, and black folks are
going after the ice folks trying to pull us into

(02:13:57):
that conflict. How can we determine what you know or
can we determine which is really.

Speaker 7 (02:14:02):
It's gonna be hard.

Speaker 9 (02:14:04):
It's gonna be hard if you think that the latest
instrument of violence we had the President of the United
States that use AI to present himself as a king
in a airplane of dumping feces on people who were protesting.

(02:14:27):
As an old person, I was hurt by that, but
I think about all the negative symbols. What about a
kid looking at that and saying, the president is dumping
feces on us. Well, that's what we have to do
is learn how to do the images to have the platforms.
Right now, our history is being taken from us. Of

(02:14:49):
there are the history that we had at the Africa
Eric Museum.

Speaker 5 (02:14:54):
Some of that is being erasist.

Speaker 9 (02:14:56):
But we can't have platforms like Conne is doing to
show our great history, to show our great leaders. We're
going to have to be more uh preemptive and thoughtful
that yes, we can give a put of a positive
change kinds of images out there to come at the

(02:15:18):
history that's being taken away from us. There's a road
to play. We just have to get a train and
positive change our group. We even we have started with
training sessions uh to show people how to use plumps.
In the next stage will be to show we can

(02:15:40):
use images to make films and to and to make
them apps and all these different things. We can do this.

Speaker 7 (02:15:48):
We just have to set our goals differently.

Speaker 1 (02:15:51):
Got youa ate away from the top down conscious. I
want to go back to you and and and the
children that you're work at your school when you approach
them about when stuff like this, because you know, this
is where the imagination comes in and they can create
all kinds of because their brain is right now more
fertile than was old folks did were you surprised? Were

(02:16:13):
some of the things that came up with Wisconsin still
with us?

Speaker 6 (02:16:19):
Actually I wasn't because I are you know, because it
was a project. It had guidelines to the project. So
giving them the three different types of format formatting options
that they had to use to create their pieces, they
they you know, once I gave them that format, gave

(02:16:40):
them some level of instruction that I allowed them to
allow their creative juices to flow to come up with
their final compositions.

Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
And well, what greats are we talking about?

Speaker 6 (02:16:54):
Ninth through twelfth grade.

Speaker 1 (02:16:57):
And boys and girls.

Speaker 6 (02:16:59):
Yeah this, uh you know, Sir, Ritchfeld High School is
a public high schools in Pretty George's County, And because
I'm an art teacher, I teach all grade levels.

Speaker 1 (02:17:08):
Oh good. I'm happy to hear the response though, because
you know, sometimes folks, folks, well children don't want to
get involved in stuff like that that's too corny or
something like that. You know, their minds are thinking different
from adults. So I'm glad to see that they were
embraced what you what you were trying to teach them.
Hopefully they came away with some ideas as well.

Speaker 6 (02:17:27):
Yeah, this was an embracement because number one is a
very good topic. One and two artists art. As I said,
artist life and art is a graduation requirement. So they
they received some reward for doing the project.

Speaker 1 (02:17:47):
Good to hear that stix away from the topic. And
doctor Minis, you've used all kinds of different art with
young people. I know you've had rappers, you've done a
movie on that. Any other plans to continue on that
in that road with our young.

Speaker 18 (02:17:59):
People, absolutely, and this peace pledge is one of them.
And if it's okay, Carl I'd like to read it.
It's very brief, and we also have a contest coming up.
People listening, you can have a contest with this peace pledge,
and I'm going to read it now, but you can
have the kids rap it, sing it, dance it, and
then maybe give them winners an award. And so for

(02:18:22):
a young person to win one hundred dollars by wrapping
the peace Pledge, that's inspirational. And this is how it goes,
the non Violence Peace Pledge. I pledge to uphold peace
in the name of nonviolence and to work to keep
my brothers and sisters safe. I promise to seek the
path of peace and to treat others with fairness and respect.

(02:18:45):
I pledge to do this for the sake of humanity,
so we can all live together in peace and harmony.
Now that can make a beautiful song, beautiful art, beautiful dance,
beautiful rap. So I'm ask we're reaching out saying people,
you can do this and send us the videos and
we will put them up on social media. And let's

(02:19:06):
start our own trend, our own positive non violence trend
to change the culture of violence in America and the world.
We can do this, particularly our community the brilliance. We
have the historians, the Dean of Journalism, Reverend Doctor Reynolds,
art teachers like Constance Kinder. We have people like Adam

(02:19:28):
Clayton Palell the third, the son of one of the
most famous black men in American history, Denise Turley, who's brilliant,
who was on Reverend Reynolds panel, and Carl. One of
the things people can gain by affiliating with us, they
will meet people at a price they can afford, where
if they went to some big conference somewhere to hear

(02:19:50):
Adam Clayton Powell the Third, they might pay thousands of dollars.
So while it's still affordable. We encourage people to join
Black Women for Positive Change and be a part of
the Month of Nonviolence dot org. We can start planning
now for next year.

Speaker 1 (02:20:06):
All right, hold that through right then, and if you
don't mind, I'd love for you to do that pledge
again when we get back. Well, we got to take
a quick break here so our stations can identify themselves
down the line. Family, you want to join this discussion,
reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy six. You two can meet the ladies
from Black Women for Positive Change, and we'll take your
phone calls next and Grand Rising Family infects you're rolling
with us on this Wednesday morning. We have three ladies

(02:20:29):
from a Black Women from Positive Change constants came there,
Doctor Stephanie Miles and the Reverend doctor Parper Reynolds. And
the Month of Nonviolence conference is underway right now, still
got a couple of weeks left and you can also
get involved. But before we let them go, I want
doctor Meyers if she can do the pledge for us
one more time, because I think it's very important. So
dodtr Mayus, can you do that for us?

Speaker 18 (02:20:49):
Absolutely very pleased to do that. And Tavis Smiley and
Mayor Cherrelle Parker have done the pledge and we hope
everyone else will who's listening the non Violence piece pledge.
I pledge to uphold peace in the name of nonviolence
and to work to keep my brothers and sisters safe.

(02:21:10):
I promise to seek the path of peace and to
treat others with fairness and respect. I pledge to do
this for the sake of humanity, so we can all
live together in peace and harmony. And this was written
by Black women for Positive Change. It's copyrighted, but we're

(02:21:32):
inviting people to please send us your videos so we
can put them up or you can post them up yourself, all.

Speaker 1 (02:21:39):
Right, and give us information about the conference. What's still
on the agenda.

Speaker 18 (02:21:44):
Well, we invite people to go to montho Nonviolence dot
org and we have a terrific event coming up October
twenty seventh on conflict resolution. William McMurray out of Chicago.
He and his daughter do a project on helping people
learn how to say protect weapons in their homes. A

(02:22:04):
lot of people have guns around the house and sometimes
a kid gets the gun and shoots himself for his
siblings or his parents. What mister McMurray is doing is
he's teaching people through Operation Rack Operation Racket Up, how
to put together a safety way to store weapons safely.

(02:22:24):
It's going to be October twenty seventh, and if people
go to that website they can sign up. It's free
and they can see that for people that are down
in Virginia. At Portsmouth, Virginia, there's going to be an
event Saturday, October twenty fifth, and this will be with
young people, performances, music and stories. It's put on by

(02:22:45):
the Virginia Center for Public Safety, Reverend Mark Julius Hayes,
and it's a part of what they're doing is getting
the young people together to put together the Peace Pledge
and other ideas that they have in music and different ways.
So if people go on the website, they'll see at
Howard University they have a drum circle on Thursdays at

(02:23:06):
six point thirty and the drum circle is dedicated to
peace and they did the Peace Pledge. So there's still
activities the time. It goes on through October, but it
goes on through November December. There is no time limit
on what we can do to promote peace. And the
one hundred Fathers and the Youth Academy October twenty ninth,

(02:23:26):
this is what they're going to do over at the
Richard Wright School and they're going to have this contest
and that's going to be wonderful because the kids are
going to compete over who can do the best Peace Pledge.
So these are just creative things that our people are
coming up with and it's just wonderful.

Speaker 1 (02:23:42):
All right at conscious for I'll let you go your school.
Are you going to continue this or are you going
to expand it. What's the future for this non violence
pledge that you started at your school.

Speaker 6 (02:23:54):
Well, as I was listening to doctor Myers, what I
think I want. I would like to do, in collaboration
with our student service learning coordinator, possibly having our kids
do the TikTok, do the music, do the dance and
be able to share this and in this way it's twofold.

(02:24:17):
They're putting a positive message out as well as to
the community, as well as earning this student service learning hours.
So that's something I'm going to talk to to our
coordinator about and see how we can can incorporate that
in our building and incorporate it, you know, maybe you
know again as the year go on, or in addition

(02:24:39):
to during my art classes, being able to have different
opportunities where they are using their creativity to show peace
not only through at our school but in their own
individual lives and in our community.

Speaker 1 (02:24:54):
All right, And doctor Reynolds, tell us about your book.
How can folks get your book about AI Autificial intail?

Speaker 9 (02:25:01):
Yeah, it's tall the rise and fall of the techno
facide artificial intelligence in the end times. And I was
just thinking if the members of Congress, which is to
is peace glass, then maybe we could get back to
work and open up the government. So I have great.

Speaker 1 (02:25:23):
Yeah, if we can get them and taking the police, presume,
this will be a better world, that's for sure. But
Dr Morris, how can folks that can one more time?
How can folks join if they want to get more
information about Black Women for Positive Change?

Speaker 18 (02:25:38):
Sure, we invite everyone, including our good brothers and people
from all communities to join Black Women for Positive Change
at the website black Women for Positive Change dot org.
They can sign up there. Our dunes are modest, and
they can join us for year twenty twenty six. And
then for those people who want to still get involved

(02:25:58):
with the Month of Nonviolence, it's not too late. Go
to Month of Nonviolence dot org and you will see
beautiful flyers that our organizations have put together to demonstrate
how they can get the word out to the community.
We just need help. We're reaching hundreds of people, but
we need to reaching thousands of people. Hundreds of thousands

(02:26:19):
of people. And the people on your Carl, Carl are
leaders in every single dimension of our community. You have them,
so I hope they will respond www. Month of Nonviolence
dot org.

Speaker 1 (02:26:32):
Yeah, and I'm sitting forsh so when you started and
now you're went national, now international, just congratulations, it's just growing.
Obviously you've got something good going here. That's why it's spreading.
Levis Ione just want to thank you for that. Dodor Marius, Well.

Speaker 18 (02:26:46):
Thank you, and you've certainly made it happen, Carl, because
you have made us a part of your show for years.
We appreciate being part of the family, the Grand Rising family,
and it's made a big difference because you have communicated
that we're okay, we're legitimate, we're all in this together.
So thank you very much. We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:27:05):
All right. Thank you, and thank you ladies, and thank
you for the work that you do, and thank you
what you shared with us this morning.

Speaker 9 (02:27:12):
Thank you is honor to be a part of this,
all right.

Speaker 1 (02:27:17):
That's a conscious doctor Stephanie Meis and also Reverend doctor
Barbara Reynolds from Black Women for Positive Change Stereo tention.
Now to our next guest researcher chef musician is a
multi talented person, Brother Katy Awadu, Brother Keaty grand Rising.
Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 19 (02:27:36):
What a joy, what a joy it is to be
with you today. Karl Nelson on this beautiful show Grand
Rising to you and to the entire family.

Speaker 1 (02:27:43):
I thank you for chipping in just late notice, brother Keaty,
because so not everybody can come call, you know, but
we need a short space and time. Thank you for
getting about that out there in Vegas. Thank you for
doing that for us. But brother Keaty, you you've got
your hands sum much different pies and that as well.

(02:28:04):
But brother Katie, what are you working on now, because
you do a lot of research.

Speaker 7 (02:28:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:28:12):
I did.

Speaker 19 (02:28:12):
Between December twenty twenty four and May twenty twenty five,
I released a series of nine books. So that burst
of books it comes out, it gives me a fuel
to you know, engage for the rest of the year,
and I can stay in those books and keep coming.
The last of the nine books I released was called

(02:28:35):
A Year Against Cancer. So not only am I very
well researched on this broad topic, a complex topic, but
I also do continue to engage, so clients will contact
me every week or two or something like that. And
right now I've just taken on another invasive ductile breast

(02:28:58):
cancer patient. So my research then will pick up from
that point on and I'll go even deeper into it.

Speaker 1 (02:29:05):
So what have you found, brother Katie? Is there an
actual cure for cancer? And the keeping it from us
is because I keep hearing that, but I haven't seen
any proof.

Speaker 19 (02:29:15):
The best proof that we can look to to see
an actual cure for cancer would be based upon the
answer to the question what causes cancer? And when we
ask that question what causes cancer, there are a number
of different carcinogens and different causes that have been promoted,

(02:29:38):
so one we can look for the cure. From Otto
Warburger around nineteen thirties, he won two Nobel Prizes in
his life. He was a German and he won two
Nobel Prizes, one of which talked about what causes cancer?
And according to doctor Otto Warburg, cancer is essentially a

(02:29:58):
disease of metabolis where we are unable to properly process
oxygen on a cellular level. And when this happens on
the cellular level, the mitochondria of the engine inside the
cell is deprived of oxygen. The cell goes into a
secondary stage of metabolism, creating energy. And so when the

(02:30:23):
cell moves from what's called u carriotic e uko ryotic, no,
it's not well kryotic. When it moves from eukaryotic to prokaryotic,
my misspelled carriotic. But when it moves from eukaryotic to prokaryotic,
it goes to cancerous. And so what we can do

(02:30:45):
to prevent cancer is first and foremost, learn how to breathe. Now,
then there's a whole bunch of other different things that
cause cancer. We do know that cancer drugs, cancer chemo
therapies are known to cause drugs. Where we look across
the broad spectrum of pharmaceutical drugs and we know that

(02:31:07):
the population is being prescribed drugs more and more and more.
It's a runaway epidemic that a whole spectrum of these drugs.
At least I would say I've identified and just in
my book alone, I've identified over sixty drugs that cause cancer.
Those cause cancer, carcinogens cause cancer, Indocrine disrupting chemicals cause cancer.

(02:31:29):
There's a whole spectrum, and really to prevent it, we've
got to be on top of that whole spectrum.

Speaker 1 (02:31:36):
Yeah, well, I got some questions for you. Twelve. At
the top of our family just check it in our
guess is brother Keaty is a researcher, chef, musicians, a
multi talented fellow, brother Keaty. Is it true or is
this internet chattel that we all have cancer in our
bodies but it's not activated and somehow when our immune
system is compromised, that's where the cancer gets activated. Is

(02:31:58):
there any truth to that?

Speaker 19 (02:32:00):
Yes, there is definitely true to that. As an adult
over the age of fifty, and we're finding increasingly this
is getting into younger and younger ages. We do constantly
produce mutated cells. Every minute, brother Karl, our body produces
three hundred million new cells and a number of those

(02:32:20):
cells have been under the influence of the environment, and
so the epigenetic factors do cause these mutant cells. The
thing is with cancer, the mutant cells gain the great advantage.
They'll create their own blood supply and other things. And
what happens if the mutant cells get out of control,
beyond the reach and the competence of our immune system,

(02:32:45):
then we have the problem is getting bigger.

Speaker 1 (02:32:48):
So how do we How do we? I guess the
answer is then to improve a forty five year immune
system to stave off cancer. Is that the answer?

Speaker 19 (02:32:59):
There is no one, single answer that is definitely a
very strong part of our strategy to combat cancer. To
prevent cancer, strengthening our immune system, also avoiding the toxic
chemicals environmental stressors that cause mutancy and cause cancer is

(02:33:20):
very important. One of the things that people can do
to significantly lower their risk of cardiovascular disease, chronic kidney disease,
and cancer is just simply lose weight, get your body
mass index in control. And so we're doing the best
we can to identify all of these preventive pathways. This

(02:33:41):
is the thing called the functional medicine. And once we
can integrate many as many of these preventive pathways into
our lives, then there's a good likelihood we may avoid
the diagnosis that now in the United States, cancer diagnosis
has reached over forty percent of the population, that's two

(02:34:03):
out of every five.

Speaker 1 (02:34:04):
People fourteen at that top of that with Brother ketis
the researcher Brother Keta, They reports that have been an
increase in colon cancer, especially with our young people. What
do you think is finding this increase?

Speaker 19 (02:34:18):
If you look in at colon cancer, stomach cancer, colorectal
cancer is one word meat red meat. Red meat contains
a protein called n eu five GC. In December twenty fourteen,
researchers at San Diego put out a paper that I

(02:34:41):
would made me a first aware of any U five
gc that said the essentially the humans, any U five
g C is a sugar like molecule and that humans
essentially cannot fully process INNEU five gc. And they found
that the presence of these antibodies then EU five gc

(02:35:02):
increase the risk of inflammation by five hundred percent. A
five hundred percent increase of inflammation, which is a known
trigger for cancer, is definitely something we cannot ignore. So
anybody out there eating red meat, you're eating grass fed cattle,

(02:35:24):
you're eating buffalo, lamb pork, there's a five hundred percent
increase risk of inflammation there, and a corresponding five hundred
percent increase in the risk of colo rectal and stomach cancers.

Speaker 1 (02:35:41):
Well, we'll come on, brave, But let me ask you
this though. So if if someone is dying the say
stage one with cancer, if they change their diet immediately,
could that could could could that be a fact that
that could cure or could retard the growth of cancer.
I'll let you respond, I'm looking the clock. You we
got to step aside for a few months. When we
come back, I'll let you respond, though, family too, want

(02:36:02):
to join this conversation. Interested about the big c is
some people call it. We're talking about cancer. Here's a researcher,
Brother Keaty has done a lot of work on that,
and he's written some books about it, and he's got
the answers for it. You want to speak to him,
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone
calls next and grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with
us on this Wednesday morning here it's a hump day.

(02:36:24):
That means we're halfway through the work week. After this,
it's downhill all the way. Twenty minutes off the top
of that though, I guess is Brother Keaty is the
multi talented researcher. Brother Keaty has done some working now
is looking at cancer and he said the increase it
there's been an increase in colon cancer, especially by the
young people. It's just because of red meat. So my
question to Brother Kety before we left for the break

(02:36:44):
was if they're diagnosed, will say stage one cancer colon cancer?
Stick with colon cancer and they change their diet, Could
that reverse that diagnosis?

Speaker 19 (02:36:55):
Brother Keaty, I would say that would be the very
first step. By the time, so when it is diagnosed
with cancer, especially when we're talking about colo rectal cancer,
it's very tragic, very tragic diseases. The progression of that
disease is maybe as horrible as anything we can imagine.

(02:37:16):
But by the time they're diagnosed, it's kind of your
dietary change. I would say this for anyone hearing this
message today, I'm going to give you some insights and
some points about cancer. And if you read my book
A Year Against Cancer, as well as two other books
that have written here recently that help us resolve this,

(02:37:37):
you're going to go ahead and change your diet immediately.
So why not go ahead and go on a preventive tip.
But for anyone diagnosed with cancer, yes, Carl, beyond a
shadow of a doubt, the first thing you have to
do is take control of your nutrition and switch from
the standard American diet, which is the most disease causing

(02:37:59):
diet and world old history, to at least refine it
to the Mediterranean diet. And then you can go even
further and even further.

Speaker 1 (02:38:09):
You know, I know you're a chef as well, so
I'm gonna lean on you before we leave to give
us some alternatives for those folks who're still eating red meat.
But if we want to take coffee, you, brother Keati
heard this is another thing. Clear yourself for us and
need some clarification. We talked about sugar because some people
say sugar is like oxygen for cancer. So when you
see pastes and cakes and all that kind of stuff,

(02:38:30):
those are things you should be avoiding.

Speaker 19 (02:38:33):
Absolutely. Yes, processed food in all of its various forms,
including refined carbohydrates, which is what sugar and wheat products, pastry,
donuts and all of that stuff is really about. Even
white bread is known to be carcinogenic, containing carcinogen chemicals.
Even things that are commonly used, such as coffee. Many

(02:38:57):
people take their morning coffee with cream and sugar. If
you drank the coffee without the cream and the sugar,
there's a good likelihood that the coffee could be part
of a process of your body having the energy metabolized
to not have to deal with the problem of the
metabolic disorder of cancer. But when you put the milk

(02:39:20):
in it, you have included a carcent element. We can
look to the book it's called the China Study by
doctor T. Colin Campbell, which talked about milk as a carcinogen,
a known carcinogen dairy for humans. And also it also
talked about we do know that sugar is definitely a process.

(02:39:42):
Everything we read, everywhere we read it, we see that
sugar is very problematic inhuman nutrition and digestion. And when
it comes to carcinogen, yes, sugar feeds cancer.

Speaker 1 (02:39:57):
All right, twenty three outs off before you go on again,
I'm gonna ask you to give us some alternatives. But
Felm is joining us, and she's in Baltimore. She's on
Life One, Grand Rising and Family on with brother Katy.

Speaker 20 (02:40:09):
Yeah, I'm Grand Rising. So I have these books in
my own library. I call it my own library. So
I'm looking at this book as I talk to you,
right Uh, got my hands on it right quick because
I'm just kind of waking up. So it says that
a cure for cancer unlimited supplies of insolent consequent the

(02:40:34):
common cold, and it says the promise and the name
of the book I'm gonna give it to you is
called bio hazards and uh so you know, I took
this book with me a long time ago to a
doctor's office and let me tell you something. His eyes
are locked dead on this book.

Speaker 9 (02:40:55):
It was amazed.

Speaker 20 (02:40:55):
I was amazing his reaction. But I didn't know what
it was at the time, but I do now. It's
talked about gene therapy, how you can split the genie,
and this is that. Everything is in this little book.

Speaker 7 (02:41:05):
It's amazing.

Speaker 20 (02:41:06):
Can you please tell me about that?

Speaker 10 (02:41:09):
Uh that?

Speaker 9 (02:41:10):
Uh that please?

Speaker 19 (02:41:14):
Yeah, I'm extremely skeptical. It just doesn't make any sense
to me. Now if you're talking about insolent sensitivity, that's
a topic that we talk about when it comes to
preventing diabetes. I have never heard any association between a
cure quote unquote for cancer and INSOLENTCE. So I'm extremely

(02:41:38):
skeptical based upon what I heard from you. I'm sorry, Well,
how does.

Speaker 20 (02:41:42):
The book get out like that? I mean, you write
a book, right, you got to let me finish. Please,
When you write a book, you have to have truth
about it, right, right? They rehab the research all that.

Speaker 19 (02:41:53):
No, No, you don't have to have truth to publish
a book in America, Okay.

Speaker 20 (02:41:58):
I guess that's the point then, all right, damn well,
thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (02:42:02):
I myself believe it.

Speaker 20 (02:42:03):
I might self believe it, right, I disbelieve it, you know.

Speaker 13 (02:42:06):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 20 (02:42:07):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (02:42:09):
All right, thank you Helma.

Speaker 19 (02:42:10):
A tweet question for sorry, But that was just I've
never heard anything like that. It sounded like just really wild.

Speaker 1 (02:42:17):
Well, that's what you're here. You're the researcher. You've done
the work, you put in the work. But I got
a tweet question for one of our listeners. He says,
grind rising uh to you and your guests. Ask your guest,
what role do the gut have to do with health?
Someone said it? Someone said, if you keep that clean,
that is the key to longevity and not getting cancer.

(02:42:41):
And how about organic vitamins? Should we consult with a
doctor first before taking any vitamins? What say you, brother, Keaty.

Speaker 19 (02:42:50):
In so far as gut health, where there is a
term called gut this biosis or a disruption of your
gut microbiome, gut health is absolutely critical to maintaining a
hold healthy profile. It is one of ten metabolic disorders.

(02:43:11):
I'm gonna give you all ten of them, because every
one of these metabolic disorders is going to raise your
risk for cardiovascular disease and cancer every one of them.
Number one overweight, number two, obesity, number three, abdominal obesity,
that big belly syndrome. Number four, hypertension which is high

(02:43:33):
blood pressure. Number five, hyperglycemia which is pre diabetes or diabetes.
Number six, high triglyceride levels. Number seven disruption of your
gut microbiome. Number eight would be an imbalance, which really
is kind of related to others, but an imbalance in

(02:43:54):
your LDLHDL ratio of your good and bad cholesterol. The
number eight is progressive nephropathy, meaning your kidneys are slowly
starting to fail. Number nine would be cancer. And number
ten of the ten metabolic syndrome diseases is non alcoholic

(02:44:15):
fatty liver disease. If you or anyone can put together
a complete strategy to eliminate all ten of these metabolic diseases,
you're going to enjoy an incredibly healthy lifespan.

Speaker 1 (02:44:33):
Twenty eight after the topic, let me ask you about CKLS.
I know you're familiar with that because you lived out
in LA and most of the people on the West
Coast know about CKL. I said, it was a formula
put together by doctor Gosh, and doctor Goss was the
dean of herbalist and naturopathic doctors. And now his daughter's
doing the same thing in Ghana. She's listening to us regularly.

(02:44:53):
And people who use CKL that's it stands for calling
kidney live a spleen, they say it works. What's say you, brother, Katy?

Speaker 19 (02:45:02):
I use Colon, Kelly livery screen and the CKLS for
quite some time. I've always liked it, always loved it. Unfortunately,
one time I bought a batch of it and I
think it was just mislabeled because it didn't do anything
that I was accustomed to, and so I ended up
going down to more of the constituent components. But when

(02:45:23):
it comes to doctor Paul Garth and his daughter Yolanda,
I have done nothing but the greatest things to say
about them. They are people who are trustworthy. I just
think I just got a mislabeled bottle one time.

Speaker 1 (02:45:38):
Yeah, going back to the tweet us question, but to
keep the gut clean? Is that what you're saying? So
are you in favor of colonics? What what's the other one?
The other alternative than colonics? I can't think of the
name right now.

Speaker 19 (02:45:50):
Well, there's colon hydrotherapy, which is the general name, And yes,
I absolutely do believe in keeping the gut clean. Now,
I don't use colon therapy or hydro colon hydro therapy,
I don't use it because I do it with the herbs.
I do it like cleanse from the top down. But
if someone were to take, say, there's organic coffee enemas

(02:46:14):
are very very good for cleaning out the liver. There's
colon hydro therapy for fleshing excess waste out of the colon.
These are definitely prevented status strategies, which I do encourage.

Speaker 1 (02:46:27):
Yeah, I'm back to doctor Gosh because a conversation with
doctor Gosh, he said that the meat stays in our body,
states in our gut for sometimes even decades. He says
that hamburger you had when you were a child, the
remains just and now glued to your in testings, your
thoughts on that. That was one of his theories.

Speaker 19 (02:46:45):
Well, I have not eaten meat for forty years, so
I cannot attest to that, but I can attest to
the first time I did a serious olive oil flesh
what came out of me was most likely not attributed
to meat, but to wheat products, which wheat products we
do know function as glue. And what came out of me, Carl,

(02:47:09):
was a black, sticky gummy tar that obviously have been
in my intestinal track for years. Since then, I have
kept up the olive oil flesh. Doctor Goss taught us
that technique as well. I've kept that up over the years.
I've never seen the black gummy tar come out of
my body again. Now it just comes out as kind
of hard little pellets. And that's at ninety days.

Speaker 1 (02:47:33):
Oh wow. So how often do you do a cleanse?

Speaker 19 (02:47:37):
I do four cleanses a year. On the first day
of spring, summer, autumn, and winter, I immediately have been
going to a twenty eight day Detoks fast. Recently I
did my summertime fast. Why it would be my autumn
fast and I did twenty one days. Why because I
have essentially put my body in such a condition and

(02:48:00):
that my body mass index is now really at the
bottom of what I'm going to keep it at. And
I weigh less Carl today. Then I weighed at age
twenty three years old, and I just had my seventieth birthday.

Speaker 1 (02:48:17):
Good for you, brother Keaty, twenty nine minutes away from
the top of our family. We've got the multi talented
researcher brother Keaty with us this morning and is now
turning his attention to cancer. He's working on doing some
research in cancer, Brother Keaty. The pharmaceuticals Big Farman, did
they have a cure for cancer? And they're keeping it secret?

Speaker 19 (02:48:37):
I don't think they do otherwise, I mean, how could
one convince the whole army of oncologists to kill a lie?
We do know oncologists will lie. They're very deceptive. I've
had conversations with them directly, and they're very deceptive people.
I'm sorry if someone's relative out there isn't on cologist,

(02:48:59):
but I have my opinion. My opinion is not based
upon not having direct contact with this industry. Recently, I
had a conversation with a young woman. She's been diagnosed
with invasive doctyle carconoma, the most one of the most
aggressive forms of breast cancer, which for women, that's the

(02:49:19):
number one cancer that's happening to women. With men it's
prostate cancer. And the oncologist he's dealing with, they just
immediately they as soon as she's getting the diagnosis, they
immediately just pull out a folder, throw it on the
desk and say this is going to be your strategy.

Speaker 6 (02:49:39):
No, no, no.

Speaker 19 (02:49:40):
As a functional medicine practitioner, I cannot pull out anything
and suggest to you anything until I've done a detailed
analysis of what caused your cancer. In functional medicine, every
diagnosis is distinct, every patient's life is distinct, and I
can't come up with a solution for you until that.

(02:50:02):
And the last thing I will say about oncologist that
I fundamentally do not trust them it's chemotherapy. As soon
as they recommend chemotherapy, radiation therapy and surgery, you begin
to die. The worst is chemotherapy. Chemotherapy kills your healthy cells.

(02:50:24):
So what's it going to do to a person for
the chronic and deadly disease?

Speaker 1 (02:50:30):
Gotcha? Twenty six away from the top of that, brother
Keaty got a tweet from one of our listens in Louisiana.
The tweets he says, thank you for having brother Katy on.
Louisiana has a high cancer rate among blacks. We tend
to want to barbecue and also smoke everything when we
cook some of the foods that we eat. Is there
a correlation to food being smoked and a high rate

(02:50:52):
of cancer because it's tweetered? Goes because I understand that
anything you smoke can be turned into a Costaginian just
asking for perspective.

Speaker 19 (02:51:02):
Yeah, there are two substances in the barbecue, and one
is heated at a very high temperature that itself is
going to cause massive problems. But the two substance are
heterocyclic amines HCAs and poly aromatic hydrocarbons. Poly Aromatic hydrocarbons

(02:51:23):
indicates that's that smell that we're used to, the soot
that gets on the meat. We recognize that. So it
is the black stripes and things that's on the grill,
et cetera. All of that is problematic. And anytime you
heat something, anytime you eat proteins and sugars to five
hundred degrees as in barbecuing, that's going to create carcinogenic

(02:51:46):
chemicals and quite simply, and also we can look at
the Louisiana and see that's the state with one of
the highest obesity rates in the country. And we do
know that black people have a disproportioned problem with obese
city and overweight, So yeah, I do. There are multiple
problems there, which is why everyone needs to commit to

(02:52:08):
an anti cancer diet and lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (02:52:12):
Yeah, but we could do that, but we need help.
You know, once you say you shouldn't eat this, you
shouldn't that, we need some replacement. And that's where you're
going to come in it because I know you being
a chef as well, you know you can replace it us.
Seeing some of the stuff that you've made, it looks great,
it looks really appetizing. But you know some folks who've
growing up eating that and they'll say, my grandparents and
this my mother, this is why, that's why I eat

(02:52:33):
this way. And they lived into their nineties or you know,
so they don't think anything wrong with the food that
we're eating today. But I'm looking at the clock. We
got to take a short break and we come back.
Robert in Kansas City, who wants to speak to you
as well. I'll let you address that issue too, about
our parents and grandparents, what they ate and how long
they lived and they didn't they weren't vegetarians or vegans,

(02:52:53):
so I'll let you talk about that as well. Family
YouTube can join our conversation. With brother Kati's and the
researcher and now it's looking into cancer. What are your thoughts?
Hit us up at eight hundred four to five zero
seventy eight seventy six. We'll take your phone calls next
and Grand Rising family, and thanks for staying with us
on this Wednesday morning. Here I guessed his brother Keaty.
He's a multi talented researcher and his latest project is

(02:53:15):
looking at cancer. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four
five zero seventy eight seventy six will get you in
to speak to brother Keaty. Before we do that there,
let me just remind you coming up tomorrow Thursday, we're
going to be joined by Morgan State University Professor Dr
Ray Wimbush. Also from the Million Women's March, Sister Flay
will be here that they're celebrating their anniversary and also
at DC activity start the Kai Patterson will also checking.

(02:53:36):
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep
your radiar lot in tight on ten ten WLB. If
you're in the dmv'reu on fourteen fifty WL. Brother Keaty,
as I mentioned, Robert in Kansas City, has a question
for you or a comment is online one grand rising Robert,
you're on with brother Keaty.

Speaker 15 (02:53:54):
It's Robert, you know, brother, Brother Keaty just comments. Person
is people this all the time? Do you remember in
the early nineties black people discussing cancer prostate o ovarian brass. No,
that conversation was not going on on three corners all
of a sudden here where everybody's talking about it. And

(02:54:15):
the reason why everybody's talking about it because the medical
industry has everybody talking about it. So let me get
to the other point. I said this on Carl Nelson
Show a couple of months ago. Merk which is one
of the largest formaceutical companies in the world. They made
seventeen billion dollars last year selling cancer drugs. So here's

(02:54:36):
here's the final part part, brother Keating, this is my
personal opinion. Ninety five percent of the people in this
country who died from cancer are dying from the procedures
that are being performed on them inside the four walls
of those medical facilities and the pharmaceutical drugs that are

(02:54:57):
being administered to them. And I'll give you three too
quick reason why I believe that. And I asked you
for this all the time, Brother keating. Do you see
people dropping dead in your neighborhood from untreated cancer? Your friends,
your parents, your grandparents. Have you heard of one person
who was found dead in their home and when they
were taken to the hospital through the corner's office to

(02:55:17):
get an our topsy done, it was discovered that they
died from untreated cancer. And the last point is this,
I'm just gonna make up a fictional character named mister Jones.
Everybody knows missus Jones. The brother was diagnosed with probably
cancer two years ago, told everybody in the neighborhood that
he was not gonna get the treatment. Have y'all seen
this brother lately? Man, the brother went from one hundred
and eighty pounds down to one hundred pounds. Man, Their

(02:55:39):
brother's a walking stick. We tried to tell him to
get the treatment, but he said that.

Speaker 6 (02:55:43):
He wasn't going.

Speaker 15 (02:55:44):
Where are these people at? Going right back to what
I said from the get go, more than ninety five
percent of the people in this country who died from
cancer are dying from the procedures that are being performed
with them as out of the four walls of those
medical facilities and the formas called drug that are being
administered to them. Your opinion, hmm.

Speaker 19 (02:56:06):
I heard some very conflicting ideas. As you come out
of that, I'm going to latch onto one central idea
that you did mention, and that was that the cancer
treatments began the process of a pathology from the cancers.
We do know that the prostate specific andigen tests that

(02:56:30):
all black men are highly being encouraged, including by other
black men right now. The PCA test. According to the
doctor who discovered the process of PA of PSA, I
should say, and that's doctor Richard Ablin. He wrote a
book that I encourage all of us to get and
to read called The Great Prostate Hoax, How a medical

(02:56:53):
diagnostic test created a public health disaster, Doctor Richard Ablin,
The Great State Hopes. Now, the next point I want
to make. I heard just some really conflicting ideas and
I couldn't understand really where you were going with this.
And when you're talking about black people are being encouraged

(02:57:14):
to talk about this to help MRK Pharmaceuticals sell drugs
and etc. I cannot wholly disagree with that point, but
I would just ask if you're going to make a
statement like that in a public forum that you get
a little bit more focused on what you are trying
to tell us to do.

Speaker 1 (02:57:35):
All right, and thank you Robin in Kansas City of
fifteen Away from the top down, Let's go to Jersey
Brother Lewis's wedding for us. He's online too, Grand Rising
Brother Lewis. You on with Brother Keaty, Yes, grind.

Speaker 13 (02:57:47):
Rising Brother call and the illustrious for the Keaty for
the Kety. One of my family members unfortunately had colon
Kan says you was speaking. He had surgery he had
and radiation therapy, anything he can do and it's been eradicated,
but he has an ailment from the as you said,

(02:58:10):
the chemo and radiation. Anything he can do to kind
of get some of that out.

Speaker 5 (02:58:15):
Of his body.

Speaker 19 (02:58:17):
Yeah, a radical detox, very radical detox, but he's got
to be systematic about the detox. A detox program that
I run is based upon all of the research I've
ever done for so many times, for so many years,
and it includes eleven levels of removing waste from our bodies.
I recommend relation therapy, a bunch of different things. But

(02:58:40):
he's going to have a radical change of his diet.
He's not going to go back to the same foods
he was eating when he developed the cancer. That's absolutely foolish.
But I do work as a consultant. I do consult
with cancer patients, and I've been very fortunate. I don't
know that I've ever lost the cancer.

Speaker 4 (02:59:00):
Patient.

Speaker 19 (02:59:01):
One was a wonderful, wonderful story of survival and thriving leukemia,
and he's thriving now. But one patient I had taken
the COVID vaccine, and I highly recommend against doing that,
released not without research. If you research and then decide

(02:59:24):
to do it, hey, it's on you. But the COVID
vaccine apparently is triggering this thing that has been called
in the conspiracy circles quote unquote turbo cancer. But turbo
cancer just means very aggressive, very quick acting, and people
are being diagnosed with cancer already at stage four.

Speaker 13 (02:59:45):
Okay, sir, So how could I have my brother contect
you for consultations?

Speaker 19 (02:59:53):
Yeah. I don't get to give out my text number.
And I ask everybody please text me before you call,
because more normally I may be in a meeting or
whatever on a radio show. Teks me and I'll call
you back. My text number seven zero two five eight
zero zero six six two. I'll give it out again

(03:00:14):
at the end of the show too.

Speaker 1 (03:00:16):
All right, thanks brother, good luck and.

Speaker 19 (03:00:19):
Thank you for being there for your friend.

Speaker 1 (03:00:22):
Yeah, brother Keaty tell us away from the top. A
tweet question for you this is ask him about the
names of the herbs he's taking and the names of
his books. Ask him if herbs and supplements are safe.

Speaker 19 (03:00:36):
I wrote a book called Living Super Food Longevity, one
of sixty books that I have published.

Speaker 7 (03:00:44):
Now.

Speaker 19 (03:00:45):
Most recent books I'm reading from the book The prot
The Year Against Cancer. Recently I wrote a book called
The Stem Cell Revolution, which also goes into cancer cancer
stem sounds and talks about holistic path for regenerative medicine.
And that wrote another book years ago called Food is

(03:01:07):
oh No. I wrote this book in December, Living Super
Food Solutions.

Speaker 4 (03:01:12):
So all of those go.

Speaker 19 (03:01:13):
Into cancer and among sixty books that talk about this
quite a bit. And in so far as supplements. In
the book Living Super Food Longevity, I had a chapter
called my arsenal of anti aging Supplements. Now I will
admit I'm constantly adding to this arsenal. Right now that
arsenal is up to fifty two different substances substances that.

Speaker 1 (03:01:36):
I take a chant away from the time. Brother Key,
Let's talk about some alternatives, and we're talking about the
food that we consume. So for the brothers who we
talked about the barbecue, the brother in tweeting from Louisiana
and Kansas City, they like that barbecue ribs and stuff
like that. What are some alternatives do you have to
give up that taste totally?

Speaker 19 (03:01:57):
I've given it up and I don't miss it at all.
I've given up alcohol, especially well. I gave up alcohol
in nineteen eighty six. Recently, the American Cancer Association came
out completely against all alcohol. It said, there is no
minimum amount of alcohol that's going to tolerate the lowered

(03:02:19):
risk of developing cancer. You can easily find ad out
confirm that I'm saying that. So the American Cancer Society
finally agreed with me and I do not encourage any alcohol.
No wine. Wine has resbaratrol in it, which is great,
but that's from the pigmentation of the grapes. So we'll
be better off eliminating the alcohol and just go for

(03:02:40):
the red pigmentation from eating the grapes. So when we're
talking about an anti cancer diet. I'm going to recommend
my books on nutrition. I have three e books called
Living Superfood Recipes, Volume one, Volume two, and Volume three.
My Living Superfood Recipes Volume two has a recipe in

(03:03:02):
it called Spinach Save My Life, and that recipe has
about eighteen different ingredients in it. But this recipe Spinach
saved my life. If I were diagnosed with cancer, I
would be eating Spinach Saved my Life soup at least
four days a week. And there are other things that
people can eat regularly. I keep my weight low by

(03:03:25):
eating chia pudding for breakfast every morning. I engage in
intermittent fasting every day where I restrict all of my
eating to between twelve noon and six pm. There's everything
we can do. We got to diet, we got to exercise,
we can There's so much that we can do and
make the changes. And I encourage everybody go ahead and

(03:03:47):
make the changes. After a few weeks of habit, it
takes what twenty one days, so savage a new habit.
Old habits die hard, but new habits form very quickly.
And last one, I want to say, I got to
get this in. I want to share from doctor Linus Pauling.
He won two Nobel Prizes in his life. He said
everyone should know that most cancer research is largely a

(03:04:10):
fraud and that the major cancer research organizations are derelicting
their duties to the people who support them. That quote
from doctor Linus Pauling.

Speaker 1 (03:04:21):
All right, now I eate away from the top of that.
Let me ask you this, though, brother Kitty. Fasting does
that help or is just delays?

Speaker 4 (03:04:28):
I'm sorry, please repeat fasting?

Speaker 1 (03:04:30):
Does that help you if you're finding cancer? Or does
it just delay the process?

Speaker 4 (03:04:35):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (03:04:35):
No?

Speaker 19 (03:04:35):
The fast thing is one is the fastest known healing
method one can do. I'm glad you asked that, because
what fasting does is it turns on, among many things,
it turns on autophogy A U T O p H
A g Y. Everyone needs to know that word autopogy. Essentially,
autopogy is telling your body to get rid of senescence, sound,

(03:05:00):
or cells that are end of their useful life and
do not replicate themselves. Well, autoplogy definitely eliminates cancer cells,
it doesn't completely eliminate it. We don't really know what
your stage of cancer is. But if our body is
right on the edge of keeping everything cleaned up. Autopogy

(03:05:21):
turns on that clean up process.

Speaker 1 (03:05:24):
I got to ask you this question, what is the
name of that. I think it's a fruit that the
leaves that you can use. I know it's in the Caribbean.
A lot of those folks down there using fighting sour shop.
Yeah does that work? Or is that just some sort
of internet chatter?

Speaker 5 (03:05:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (03:05:39):
No, no, no, it appears to work. Now, there is
debate on it, especially when we look at anything from
the mainstream and coology industries. They don't seem to want
to suggest that all the fruits and vegetables will help,
because obviously it's going to cut into their bottom line.
But soursop otherwise known as graviola, is a good good

(03:06:00):
thing that people who want to prevent it or people
who have been diagnosed with cancer are adding to their
nutritional program. And I do encourage the consumption of graviola.

Speaker 1 (03:06:11):
So what do you Because I heard that it's the
leaves and you're saying it's the fruit, So which is
it or is it both?

Speaker 19 (03:06:17):
All of all the parts of the graviola plant have
been identified as very pro immune system function. So you
eat the leaves, you make tea from the leaves. You
can eat it as to eat the fruits as wonderful.
I'm having a cup of hibiscus juice here right now,
and hibiscus juice is definitely known to reinforce the function

(03:06:40):
of the immune system is an anti inflammatory. If I
put ginger in it, and if I put lime juice
in it, it's even more powerful. So I love my
hibiscus juice better.

Speaker 1 (03:06:51):
Carl, all right, that's interesting. A lot of good information
you shared with us this morning, brother Katie. But how
can folks reach you? Folks want more in mission and
give us a couple of the names, a couple of
bookscause you've got several books out there to deal with
this topic.

Speaker 4 (03:07:06):
That's right.

Speaker 19 (03:07:07):
To reach me my text me only at area code
seven zero two five eight seven zero two five eight
zero zero six six' two text, me AND i will
call you back at my. Convenience and also the Book
i'm reading from, TODAY A Year Against cancer With living

(03:07:28):
super Food, solutions INCLUDING i list the foods to, EAT
i list the herbs to, TAKE i list after lists
after list of what causes, cancer environmental. Toxics this book
is just loaded loaded with. Information the stem Cell revolution
is another Book Holistic pathways Or Holistic strategies for turning

(03:07:50):
on regenerative, medicine and that book will show you how
to reverse your. Aging another book that recently came out
Is Living Superfood, solutions And i'm definitely going to recommend another,
book one hundred Plus. Lifespan it's a wonderful book and exciting,
book and most of us want to live beyond one.

(03:08:13):
Hundred people should know is being very. Common earlier you
talked about people who, said, oh my great grandmother smoked
to she was one hundred and one and they meet
and all that. Stuff, well that is the extreme. Rarity
we don't base our life based upon other people's. Faults

(03:08:33):
that are extreme cases of rarity of. Disease we will
be better off basing our life on the.

Speaker 4 (03:08:40):
Average.

Speaker 1 (03:08:42):
Gotcha, so Brother, katie is a website the folks can
go to for more. Information, yeah they can.

Speaker 19 (03:08:48):
Go to my personal website and get all of these.
Books AS i just, mentioned that's K E i D
i dot B I Z ked dot Biz and you're
going to go into The conscious runs The Press voter
and you're going to see a list of the books.

Speaker 1 (03:09:03):
There all, right thank, you Brother keaty thank you for
joining us on such late, notice and thank you for
sharing this information with us this.

Speaker 19 (03:09:10):
Morning, well you, Know, carl anytime you, CALL i take it,
seriously even when you wake me up at four o'clock
in the.

Speaker 1 (03:09:17):
Morning that's, right Brother keaty is out In vegas these.
Days thank, you Brother, Keaty thank you for. Sharing thank
you for The carl All right. Family that's it for the.
Day class is. Over class is. Dismissed to stay, strong stay,
positive please please stay. Healthy we'll see you tomorrow, morning
six o'clock right here In baltimore on ten TEN wlb
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