Manu Ampim & Sinclair Skinner

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week with
us this first week of November. Later, author and Africana
history professor mainy yan penwill take over our classroom. Professor,
I'm pim. He's the scholar who identified that the Willie
Lynch letter was a fraud. This morning, he'll explain the
ongoing genocide in the Sedan. He'll learn how it started
or what's at stake in that fight. But to get

(00:21):
u started momentarily, Washington DC business man and humanitarian Sinclair
Skinner will join us. But let's get Kevin to open
up this classroom doors on this Monday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Grand Rising, indeed coll Nelson Blue forty two. Hey Hei Man,
Monday Morning quarterbacking Man.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I know, I know, I don't proclaim.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
To be as smart as the coach or as young
and as athletic as the quarterback. But when you're down
by thirty one points, man, just take a seed, calm.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Down, be ready for next week.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
You see in my Monday Morning Quarterback armchair coaching opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Well that's a good point though. Did the coach think
he could still win the game by keeping keeping Jadon
Daniels on the.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Field, Well, all I have is the Hollywood scripts. You know,
that whole any given Sunday idea ology, and that is
the According to the report on Commander's News, the coach,
Quinn said that he thought about taking him out, and

(01:33):
then after he got hurt, it was obvious he had
to take him out, and so it sounds like he
was accepting the responsibility. But in my Hollywood movie mindset,
the quarterback, young Jaden Daniels, who's been hurt all that
time and it's finally back at home and he knows
the city's depending on him. He's like, I know it's

(01:53):
all psychological, coach, but put me in for this last
play and it'll be all right. Next thing, you know,
he runs. Oh, because dan Quinn said the run wasn't
scheduled for that particular play, they allowed Jade and Daniels
some freedom past the first two plays. He can choose

(02:17):
what he wants to do, and in this case, he
decided to run for the hills and somebody twisted him around,
which then blew his elbow, leading us leaving us with
thirty eight to fourteen score right here in our.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Own final score. But here's the derill too.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
He's dislocated his elbow, and I feel for thee because
he's been injured so many times. Only second year in
the league and he's being injured. I hope he doesn't
get that monicul that people think he's brittle. You know
that he gets injured too many times, so we're.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Not supposed to think that. We can't don't think.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, probably now because he's just said a short span
of time, how many games he's missed because of injuries,
and this might be a season injury. Hopefully it's not.
Because he dislocated his elbow down painful, so he definitely
played next week for sure.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Next week or a couple of weeks. How long does
it take go on to elbow to cure?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Man?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
And you know, I think that maybe you know, some
weight resistance, you know, lifting some weights might help, or
they could have helped it before. It's hard to tell
with things like this, you know, life is so fragile.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
So yeah, they'll find out today because he's going to
do an MRI. So right now they just know it's disciplated,
how badly it's dislocated, and we'll find out sometime this morning.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Man Saint Clair Skinner had some cool ideas that as
I was talking to him when we got the phone call.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
So before we go to Saint Clair, though, the.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Idea that the Trump tariffs are going to the Supreme
Court are being eagerly awaited around the world.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
So what do you think of that?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well, people know that the Trump the Supreme Court is
just gonna rubber standing for this just makes it official.
So I think there were people around the world because
it's going to affect the economy. If this economy goes down,
so is the rest of the world. So I think
that's why the rest of the world is holding their
collective breath until the Supreme Court finishes it's ruling, and.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
It says it's the biggest battle yent for the Donald
Trump trade war, and the final decision from the justices
will come after what could be months of pouring over
the arguments discussing the merits of the case. Eventually they're
going to hold the vote, and the President said he
will not attend the hearing in person as he did

(04:37):
not want to cause a distraction. I wanted to go badly.
I just don't want to do anything, you know. So
I tell you, man, his terriffs will cause learning resources.
A Usler of toys made mostly overseas, and one of
the businesses suing the government and that's seven times seven

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times what it's spent on tariffs in twenty t twenty four.
A few businesses are banking on a win at the court.
It's a test of presidential power.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
But you know, people are expecting the Supreme Court to
go along and just rubber stamp whatever Donald Trump. They
haven't denied him anything yet, so you know, they're the
ones who probably made him impurvose to all kinds of
attacks and what he says he can do anything because
he's the president. Yes, of course has gone along with that,
so I don't expect it to deviate at this point.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Well, as we move along, Trump spent ninety minutes on
sixty minutes, but they edited it. You know, remember he
won the case against CBS, or at least they settled
out of court saying that they edited Kamala Harris's interview.
And then he did the sixty minutes interview a year later,

(05:57):
and they say he's both in full length, about eighty
minutes long, and they edited it down to twenty eight minutes.
And during the interview he kept saying, you can take
that one out. You don't have to air that part.
He did his own editing. So they say there's a
difference between editing for time and allegedly they edited Kamala's answers.

(06:20):
The guy would ask one question, how you're doing, and
she'd say, I won you know, or something. You see,
they would edit her answers so that what she was
saying didn't answer the question. It just made her sound
better or more coherent or something. According to the lawsuit
that Donald Trump won. And yet CBS says that wasn't

(06:42):
the case, but they went ahead and settled out of court.
What do you think is it better to just settle
out of court than to argue.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Oh yeah, because they have the corporate structure has some
deals it wants to get through. He spinning off of
some of the cable channels. So and Trump has found
not to okay unless they you know, they paying them
and part of the deal was it it be on
sixty minutes. We'll see this morning if he agrees. If
people say, you know, blast of the interview, he's going
to say, blame it was on CBS for editing.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
He and in that vein too.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
CBS has cut off a lot of people. We told
you earlier that Gail King, her job is on the line. Also,
the sister was part of the two tag team on
the weekend Sunday Saturday. I think Sunday as well. They
do a show morning, early morning show. She's gone someone.
She's married the miller's last name. She's married to the

(07:32):
head of the National Urban League. So her job's on
the line. And one in fact, Kevin, one of the
black producers there, said that the people who are getting
cut at CBS right now are mostly black and brown
folks are mostly women too. Yeah, yeah, he spoke, I
saw the door, so he's yeah, and so Noah.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
O'Donnell was asking some tough questions, according to CNN, and
that says that one of her questions were, are we
going to are we going to war against Venezuela? When
will you declare mission accomplished on the immigration issue? Or
are you going to keep sending the military into American cities?

(08:17):
American cities? And during a couple of key moments, o'donald
pushed back on Trump's talking points, for example, noting how
when the stock market is doing well, that doesn't affect everybody,
so you know, you might want to tune in only
I just kept going through channels and I would see
his face. I didn't listen to the entire interview and

(08:39):
heard a couple of questions, but it was just kind
of surreal that he sued CBS and then he's on CBS.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
I don't mean no harm. If you sue me, I'm
not going to invite you over for that was part
of the settlement. You know, it's probably one of his demands.
Just like they've got a new person running the news
division at CBS now and she's a Trumpster and she's
getting rid of anybody who doesn't think like Donald Trump.
So she's she's hoping to make OTA over the transmission

(09:12):
TV the equivalent of Fox on the at CBS. So
look for that for the Tiffany Network.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
So finally, I just wanted to say Happy Black Solidarity Day.
And I was going to bring Saint Clair Skinner in
on that, but it looks like our phone dropped to
him for a second. So give us the idea the history.
What is Black Solidarity Day and why do we observe

(09:40):
it today?

Speaker 1 (09:42):
All right at twelve after top of a Black solid Day?
And thank you man. Two for reminding us of today's
Black Solidarity Days is observed on the Monday before Election Day,
every Election Day November. This was creative. I remember this
with Ambassador and professor doctor Carlis Russell is from Panama,
and they started back in nineteen sixty nine, where and

(10:03):
back back then we're on all kinds of pressure, but
it's the protest repression faced by black people in America.
Unite the community and discussed political status and the direction
of the future and the value of education. Black Solidarity
Day is involves refraining from work in school and staying
from commercial activity. Is a form of protest and solidarity.
So I remember when it started, and for years after

(10:25):
that it was it really picked up. Everybody talked about
Black Solidarity Day. But I think it was mostly in
the New York area. It's you know people because all
the activists were in the city at that time and
they all got involved in Black solidarity.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
I mean we did.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
It's the radio station back then, wib in New York
well behind me. I think Colains Russell even had a
show on the station at that time.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
So that's where the freeze.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Back in the day when we used to say solid
it was either right on or you say solid. It
was that because solid Black solidarity, solid.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Compatriots, you know, and you put your fist on your
heart and say solid exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, that's it man, solid or you slide five, you know,
don't give me some skin, my friend, you know that
kind of thing. But we've got the creator of I
Love Black People finally and Saint Clair's skinner.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Happy Black Solidarity Days.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
Happy Black Solidarity Day, brothers, my comrades.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
All right, Hey, simply I think we should adopt Black
Solidarity Day every day, not every day before elections.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
Hey, every day, humble, let's live it.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
That's right, added to corns and make it a bun
of gornza.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
Yeah it is, well, every every day. We got y'all
on the air. It's we're being solid and solidarity. So
praise God for the Carl Nelson Show. You know that's
a reflection of the solidarity every day. So praise go
right over long.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Right before I turn you over to Carl Nelson, what
did you think of that game, the Commanders Game?

Speaker 6 (12:06):
Yeah, I mean, I you know, think as we was
talking about that fragility of the athlete and the points
you made about are they designing schemes for computers and
not for human beings. Yeah, again, I can't imagine, you know,
of course at our age is you know, health is
a thing. These brothers are getting hurt left and right.

(12:27):
It's not just one, and I just I think there's
a calculation that says that a certain amount of things
are going to happen. And that's just just a part
of it. And then you know, as we support the
NFL and their treatment of black bodies, you know, I
just you know, we just said that is a collision sport.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
So it's like they think these guys are replaceable. All
that's as unique as the talent is, Well, we can
find another Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
No, you can't.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
Yeah, that part, but the treatment and behavior, you know,
I just you know, it's that if it's when they
get hurt, like I think that's the part. And the
number of games. I think they're even talking about having
more games. So you know, yeah, I had boycott the
NFL a while back with taking the knee and all

(13:20):
that with the Wilson brother No, yeah, Colin Kaepernick. So
you know I've come back to watch it. You know again,
Jade makes you want to watch it and then all
the stuff going on with Shador Sanders and how the
Browns are treating him, and it's just a you know again.

(13:41):
You know, I left corporate America now almost decades ago.
My last W two job was like in nineteen ninety
nine at the US Patent Trademark Office, so you know,
having a tolerance of plantation living and the mistreatment of
our people. You know, I used to hate my days Monday.
Like I woke up joyous today. I had to drop

(14:03):
my parents off at the airport and my dad's got dementia,
But just spending time with them, my day is my
I get the whole week. I used to have to
get two days on the call the weekend to do
all my personal life, five days to do something for
somebody else. Now, if I had to go and have
collisions every day, get my head banged out, it probably

(14:24):
been even more. But I'm just saying, you, bro, I
really ain't Monday. That'd be a headache.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
Right.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
So I'm like, you know, that freedom to be who
we want to be and self determination.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Uh, it's not the NFL, So nobody's telling you get
in there and walk it off.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Go ahead and play last play.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
Right, But you know they still were draining us. Now,
I'll tell you what that nine to five lifestyle would
they give you before nine and after five? And they
take the best part of the day. I get the
that's part of the day. Every day. Every day's the
weekend to me, like I wish you would take a
day from.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Me, Sally Broun. I'm gonna let you thank you for
your time, Mane Carl. What's happening?

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Clear, we'll step aside for a few months. We come
back and talk to Sinclair Skinner. On this Black Liberation Day, family,
you two can join our conversation. I know it's dark
and early, but reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take your phone calls next grind Rising family, and thanks
for starting your week with us, and starting the month
of Nolfavy with us. For that matter, I guess is
brother Sinclair Skinner, you'd like to speak to him getting

(15:33):
on this conversation this on this Black Solidarity Day, reach
out to us at eight hundred four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six. One of things we forgot to
mention that the commanders are going to play Detroit next week,
so that's gonna be interesting because Detroit is playing really
good u these days, so it's gonna be interesting to
see how that turns out. And next week without the
quarterback Jaydon Daniels. As we've mentioned before, dissiocated his elbow

(15:55):
in the game on Sunday. But Saint Claire, let's go back,
Let's go all the way to China. Man, just understand
that you got back from China.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
What was that trip like?

Speaker 6 (16:04):
It was great. We're investing in a startup in Zimbabwe
that does solar kits for small.

Speaker 7 (16:15):
Medium businesses because in Southern Africa there's still a great
amount of what they call load shedding where they have
phased blackouts because of the electric grid needing you know,
upgrading as well as more power sources.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
So those who are are in these situations, especially small businesses,
they need the consistency. So the plan was to develop inverters,
and those inverters are which changes the current from the
direct current that you get from the actual panels and
the batteries to alternate currents so that you can use

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it in your business. And the Chinese have some of
the best technology as it relates to that, and there's
a big fair called the Canton Fair and it's hosted
twice a year. It's much like in the US they
have what they have the Consumer Electronics Show CEES in

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Vegas and the CS in Vegas is in January and
it's definitely worth going to also, but it's for three days,
so it's three day conference and they had some of
the best and brightest innovators and innovations that are coming
out in the world. Well, the Chinese have something similar,
but theirs is not three days. Their's is three weeks.

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So the amount of OEMs or original equipment manufacturers that
are building in the tech space is massive. So at
this conference you go and actually meet with those who
represent the manufacturers of making and developing and so you

(18:02):
go as what they call a buyer and you go
and talk to them. They'll set up means to have
you come to the factory actually see the products coming
off the assembly lines and all that. It's definitely was
great and the costs. You know, the type of actives
we're doing is from China to Africa, so the terrorists

(18:23):
that the United States are talking about is definitely not
It doesn't impact those transactions and in many ways. Again,
you know, I do think that we are the people
need to have a look East policy, as Robert Mugabi
used to phrase it, where we don't just have our

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hands or in the basket of the West, but that
we really you know, I think the original the world
before it was colonized, was multipolar. So the bricks, the
concept of multiple powers, I think centers of local power.
I think that's something that's more natural than the hegemony
that we've seen with so called West, this so called British,

(19:07):
so called the United States. I think it's you know,
going to China was I mean I was in Hunan.
I actually was there doing a tennis tournament that Cocoa
Golf won, and then we uh gun Chop gun Joe
is where the actual conference was. And then there's say,
then there's a city that's like the real modern city

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with all the lights lighting up at night, and I
got to also say it was very very safe. You know.
One of the things we talked about is definitely a
communist country still is that with all the capitalism, it's
the centralized powers, the CCP, like they had the first
and last word like that is who runs that country?

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The communists, the Chinese Communist Party, and when I was
thinking about it, and of course it's not democracy, but
the way that communism kind of manifested and I don't
know all the details, you know, I'm an engineer, but
it seemed as if when people say communism failed, and
when the Berlin Wall fell in nineteen eighty nine, it

(20:13):
may not have been so much about communism failed, but
it might be European culture as it manifested communism, like
the whole tribalism that they consistently had and the violence
you've seen coming out of Europe. When I see communism
manifesting in a maybe like a malist or an agent

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a Chinese way, it seems like they're one big, multi
Chinese family. Like when I when I was in the
hotels and the different businesses, the person sweeping the floor
and the person behind the front desk and the manager,
this seemed to be like a positive energy that they
all were on the same team. Like when I go

(20:58):
to a place like Dubai, where you got, you know,
one family controlling everything and most of the people working
there are immigrants from other places just trying to make
a few dollars. When I see those workers, they seem
like they're oppressed. They seem like they're just like under duress.
But when I was in China, i'd be candidate like
at every level, there seemed to be a you know,

(21:19):
there's a spirit of collectiveness. And again, maybe I need
to get some more data points, but I think there's
a you know, again, when they say that did capitalism
win or did a communism win? I think managing one
point eight one point five billion people and what they're

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doing in China is pretty amazing. I don't see why
you even go to Europe anymore. Contextually. I got an
event I have to go to. But when I look
at what technology, the safety, the ease of moving around,
you know, I took the high speed train like all
the things they have there, you're you're clear that these

(22:02):
folks have won. And they're not saying it yet because
I think they don't want to be provocative. But I
don't see how Europe or the United States can catch up,
you know, even with the.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Other thing.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
That's interesting, but how did they treat you you're African American?
Because they treat I understand they treat people differently if
you're if you're African you're not treated as well as
if you're an African American.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Did you get that vibe?

Speaker 6 (22:32):
Yeah, I definitely got the vibe. Let me just say
this contexture the and I think this is also not
just with China and also with some other contexts. When
I meet people in their home country that are like
from and live and die in their area, they seem
more like regular people that we know. When I meet

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these same people being in Africa outside out of their country,
or in the United States they outside their country, there's
a different vibe I get. Let me see in la
the Chinese that I've met in Africa, There's been quite
a few that I've done business with that I just

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didn't like, and there was a level of disrespect that
I saw in some instances. The Chinese people that I've
met in done business with in the United States, I've
had a great opportunity with them, and I've seen, you know,
real good I have a great have had great business experiences.

(23:39):
The people I've met on the ground in China, I
would say, by and large, depending on where I was, Like,
Hong Kong is kind of a multi national city, so
I didn't see it as anything as much as like people,
you know, looking and stopping, but who nan We're but

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golf was playing. There's less international activity, and the people
were just very fascinated with American Black American English. They
had interpreters and they just wanted to, you know, anytime
they would hear, you know, the black dialect. That was
an excitement for it. That was interesting, almost like again
exoticism for it. And then as it relates to our

(24:23):
African indigenous African brothers and nationalists, again, I think there's
been a vast mistreatment of our people on the ground
in China that I've seen in other places also, And
again the exploitation that I've seen, I didn't see it
at this trip, but I did see it when we

(24:46):
were talking about workers from other countries coming to China. Now,
when I saw business people coming from Africa, from Africa
to China, I saw a better interaction than I would
typically see when I dealt with Chinese people in Africa.
So I think there's some factors that are involved with

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context if you're a worker and the exploitation of workers
as outsiders or immigrants, as opposed to business people who
are coming dealing with other business people. And I'm not
going to say in a peer like fashion. But if
these folks are selling and you're a buyer, they're going
to be on their best behavior because they want you

(25:32):
to come and buy their products. So I think there
is a context, much like we see in the United
States where you see someone, let's say El Salvador or Mexico.
If you go to Mexico, the interaction with Mexicans is
different than dealing with El Salvadorian or Mexicans in the
United States, and.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
The treatment I'm twenty nine away from the top that
with Brother sinclis can just waking up. It's just back
from a trip to China. Sinkly does it matter?

Speaker 6 (26:00):
Though?

Speaker 1 (26:00):
When you go to these major cities, the big cities,
A lot different people come to New York and think
of New York is a reflection of the entire United States,
or Washington, DC, or any city. I think the entire
countries like that. And you can name London, Madrid, all
these major urban areas. It's different from the countryside. Did
you get that different feeling too, that in those major

(26:20):
cities that you visited while.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
In China, Well, I'm saying my first time in China
was right after the Beijing Olympics, and I wouldn't say
that was two thouy and ten or eleven. So it's
been but now almost fifteen years and the amount of
growth has been bananas. But when I went before, we

(26:43):
were working on a project with cotton in Zimbabwe and
we were dealing with Chinese seed, so we were looking
at exporting cotton to China and they wanted to use
a particular type of cotton. So when I was there,
I was in the rural as well as like university

(27:03):
town where they were working on developing again these agricultural
these hyghbred seeds and whatnot, and the landscape was definitely
more Still now I was underdeveloped. It was nowhere near
the development like you see in the city now the interaction.

(27:25):
And I think this is one of the things that
people don't talk enough about. Africa is not a country
fair enough, but the continent of Africa is definitely cut
up or divided by Europeans, not by groups of ethnic

(27:48):
African people from different tribes, what have you. It was
literally purposely divided up. When you look at China, you
call it one country, but it's really a continent of
subcontinent like nda is in the sense that the people
who live near the Tibetan like you know, mountains, are

(28:08):
very different from the folks that are on the coasts
in Shanghai on the shore. These are very like and
the distance is huge. They eat different food, they have
different traditions, they have different dialects, Like there are local
dialects everywhere. So even though Mandarin is the main language
and in near Hong Kong is with Cantonese, but literally

(28:32):
with under so called Mandarin, there's dialects in different regions
and different provinces. And what you realize is if Africa
was treated as a country, it would probably be able
to benefit from the economies of scale because China is
one country. They have one road system, they have one

(28:53):
you know, teltop system, they have one water system, so
they're able to let ridge all those together. Well, when
you're fragmented into fifty four countries like that that were
built for just exploitation by outsiders like this, contentially, the
countries weren't even made to maximize local development. It was

(29:17):
literally there been. They were devised to maximize the extraction
and under development. So I look at China, even though
we call it a country, it's really when you get there.
You know, we try to sometimes used to say Chinese
look alike. Look people look the short ones, tall with
fat ones, dark ones, curly haired ones. It literally is

(29:40):
a spectrum of people, but yet they are collectively operating
under one team called China. If Africa we had a
context where these imaginary, fake, fictitious political boundaries were removed
and we were able to create railroad systems, roads systems,
tell those systems that literally benefited the inhabitants of Africa

(30:06):
and not the explorers or the extractors. I think you
would see a fast develop, a faster development. And if
you've got a small country like Mali trying to do something,
or small country like Zambia trying to do something, and
you got all these jurisdictions that aren't being coordinated or
collaborated with. So I think that was one of the

(30:28):
things I noticed, all.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Right, Hold that though right there, we got to get
caught up in the lates news traffic and where they're
not different stations. It's twenty four minutes away from the
top of our family just checking in. I guess there's
brother Sinclair s. Kinner just back from China. We're going
to talk about more about his trip. Now the Chinese
view us in their land and their thoughts too, What
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(30:52):
it up with us day after a couple of days
after now daylight savings time has ended. A seventeen minutes
away from the top of the oh, I guess it's
brother Saint Clair Skinner is just back from China. We're
going to talk to him about his trip and also
I look back black people campaign on this Black Solidarity Day.
Before we go back to an elements remind you. Coming
up late this morning, we're gonna speak with the author
and African history professor that we want meynw And Pim

(31:14):
from Contracosta College in San Francisco area. He's the one,
by the way, who figured out that the Willy Lynch
letter was a fraud. He'll be here, but we're going
to talk about what's going on in the Saddan and lately.
This week you're going to hear from chematologist Tony Browner
also holisticalistic leader healer. If you will Queen Afour will
join us and ceevil rights activist doctor Paul Smith will

(31:35):
also be here. So if you are in Baltimore, make
sure you keep you ready to locked in tight on
ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV, we're
on fourteen fifteen WL. So brother Saint Clair, doing your trip? Now,
did they identify you as or did they treat you
differently from the Africans indigenous Africans in China?

Speaker 6 (31:54):
You know, I think in the business sense, the difference
is this, US relations with China aren't as productive as
relationships with African businesses. So even contextually working with a
startup that is working in Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe, because of Lukabi,

(32:22):
a black person from there, the Chinese know there's a
strong chance that they have the final say so in
business as a black American is questionable. They're not sure
if a black American actually can pull off whatever deal
they say they can, even in South Africa because the

(32:42):
company we're invested in, even though the sisters Zimbabwe and
she's based in South Africa. Even South African business people,
most people globally know that the economy of South Africa
is still controlled by Europeans. So the same thing in
me in the Francophone countries, So there's a nuance again.

(33:04):
Of course, white supremact ideologies throughout all this is I'll
never say that that part is not existing. It's just
the way a manifest might be having a little nuance
to it based on what African country, what the relationship
that government has with the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party,
and I think some of those things are part of
it as a contact. So again, the Chinese know that

(33:28):
there's more opportunities in Africa than theirs in the United States,
So the way they would treat a brother from Kenya
could be very different than where they treat me as
relates to the potential opportunities more so than my American
dialect per se. But the thing that did and you know,
we're working on this with I Love Black people, is that,

(33:50):
you know, Pan Africanism is still such a big thing
for the African diaspora as opposed to African nationals on
the continent. So every time, you know, you know, the
head nod that we do with America or our fathers
and grandfathers did, we would not and see a brother
like I didn't see enough of that I'd had to

(34:12):
stare them in their face and get them to say
hey when they were walking by, and these three brothers
from Nigeria, Kenya, different places. I made a point to
stop folks and make sure the black folks would acknowledge
each other. And then I ultimately would meet folks and
they could see I was from the States that might
be from an African country, but actually have family that

(34:35):
live in Maryland. I need to start asking people that
they listened to the Carl Nelson Show. That might be
my litmus test. So it literally was one of those
things where you even had our own people not connecting
in a foreign land as I would want or wish
it to be, or if it was an African American abroad,
how they typically there were only African Americans that had

(34:57):
a problem with their acknowledge if they're there from military reasons.
They can sometimes be a little funny style because I'm
always in like some pro black I love black people
gear and I kind of like that because it filters.
I don't need to be hanging out with a bunch
of CIA or State Department folks. I'd rather be around
people who see the energy that I'm putting out and

(35:19):
they vibe and we can vibe together on the common interest.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
It's thirteen away from the top of the our family
just waking up. I guess the Sinclair Skinners just back
from China, Sinclear, did you get much questions about Donald Trump?
Had you know, I'm just trying to figure out now,
because I hear the people when they travel now, Americans
when they travel try to hide the fact that they're
Americans because they don't want to get the blowback from
the especially the country, especially in Europe that dislike Donald

(35:46):
Trump and may take it.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
Out of I think that many and some of this
goes the culture. I think many, not many. I've only
been to a few, but I was in Japan in August,
so I would say in Japan and in China, there's
they wouldn't talk about that. To me, there's a certain
like cultural norms or what's appropriate and what's inappropriate that's

(36:12):
very different than the Eurocentric context. And so what could
be said in the European and out, you know, again,
like even we talk about African culture. You in business,
you don't just start off in business in the Western
so called norm you can just go right to it,
you know, and just start talking about Okay, let's get

(36:33):
this meeting, and you start going. In many countries, said
many places in the world of the cultures, in Africa
as well as in Asia, there's still a ritual of niceties,
you know, almost like starting a meeting off with a prayer.
When we do our startup meetings, there's three or more
of us. We always say a prayer first, and there's

(36:54):
just some ritual that you you know, you go through
when you're talking business where there's almost like country, you know,
people first, how's your mama doing, how your people blah
blah blah blah blah, before you start talking about the
details in business. So there's a level of that where
it would be inappropriate to bring up politics contextually like that.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Good to hear that, Yeah, because I've read reports in Europe.
You know, even Americans are sitting down saying they're Canadians
because they went to blowback. Dislike for Donald Trump is
so strong in certain parts of Europe. White Americans at
least you say they're Canadians and out Americans flag they
call it a different name as a name for it.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
Well, I tell you what I remember meeting Canadians would
use the us as their contexts, and I think less
than that. I mean, I just don't think we contextualize
enough of this white tribalism. No one's killed more Europeans
than Europeans, Like, let's just be clear that. So the
violence that their culture has had for literally since they've

(37:59):
been on the world stage is quite consistent. So I
think again, what we're seeing, even when we say stuff
like white supremacist ideology must be destroyed. I used to
think that there's somehow going to be black folks involved
in that destruction. But I know, and y'all covered it
when I went to the border of Ukraine and Poland

(38:21):
to help our is love black people students. It let
me be clear that white supremact ideology is going to
be killed by white supremacists. It's going to be killed
by Europeans. So it's not going to be us. What
I see with China, what I've seen with the things
on the ground in Africa. This system is going to end,

(38:42):
probably within the next five or ten years. Our responsibility,
I think, is to create a new system that's based
on justice and equality, that has more fairness in it,
that replaces the one we've experienced for the last five
or six hundred years. I think all piers come to
an end. I don't think that's a we. It's not

(39:03):
if it's when. And I just think the behavior that
you see of a Trump and people make it about Trump,
and I think it's fair. I think Trump is the
double all those things the y'all blow blah blah blah,
how you streat, but the United States consistently like Biden
was the one who was started the genocide in uh

(39:23):
Gaza and the genocides in Sudan, and Obama and Biden
were complicit in the genocide in the Congo, like we
can't like. I think it's fair enough to talk about
how outwardly Trump is Trump, but it's just a spectrum
of the same white supremacy. It might be a liberal

(39:44):
rights supremacy or a conservative right supremacy, but all of
of them are discounting our blackness and treating us one
way and putting the premium on rightness. So if they
smile at you or don't smile, if they like people
who have access or don't have access, they still have
a hierarchy where they see even immigrants, even if they're

(40:06):
doing immigrant rights, they're seeing immigrants of a pawn and
a tool to get control and power. It's not because
they see the immigrant as a human being and they
want to change the foreign policy so their countries aren't
being destroyed and then they have to flee. They literally
are leveraging cheap labor so that they can exploit it

(40:28):
and have h one visus for these tech startups. But
yet they act like they're there just to be helpful,
when the truth is it's just another form of exploitation.
And we act like those are two choices. They're not.
They're the same choice, and we need to say we're
not going to participate and we're going to go for
something else or build it, build something else. And mac

(40:51):
them X said that our people are thirsty, so they'll
drink out of ability glass. But we don't even have
to build a better glass. It's a clean glass and
the people will be attracted. So I just think right
now the world is in an reflection point. It's been
in one, but there's a new path. I welcome it.
I'm not there's no sadness, literally welcoming. And if you

(41:11):
go with our trip in China is let me know
that the world that we're talking about we're about to
move into doesn't have to have the presence of Europeans
at the leadership or critical because all the resources, all
the abilities that are needed can be found in really
the rest of the world. Europe doesn't make anything. Europe

(41:34):
has no resources. The talent pool there is based on
immigration and immigration. So in truth, it's going to These
are things that have a natural evolution or de evolution.
So you know, that's and I think we should be
excited because because the world our ancestors recently we're going

(41:54):
into was very traumatizing and very problematic. So again for us,
it's say that this thing is about the end. I
think this is my ancestors that are rejoicing about that,
and they want us to be prepared for the new
world that we're going to be instrumental in creating.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
You know, six away from the top of that CLIs
you know, really Sinclair, what you're saying, I've heard many
people say that before. But the question is what do
we do during the interim, during this transition period? As
you mentioned all these dynastises, you know, whether it be
the Greek, the Roman, or even the British Empire, at
some point if they lost, they went down. You know,
that's the only way you could if you win, the
only objective there is to lose, you know, I guess

(42:34):
it's philosophy. If you reach the top, the is it
the only thing you could those go back down. And
I think this country that most people feel this, well,
many people feel this country has done that. So the
transition period, That's what I'm asking about, is what do
we do during this transition piece.

Speaker 6 (42:49):
I would say, I would only say, and I'm not disagree,
I'm just going to maybe some context. You know, China
has been in the top civilization for like almost five
thousand years, and they'll say to it, and China has
a thing that I would, you know, say, is more
of an ethnocentrism. But they do believe they're the best
of the bests. They think they're the center of the world,
you know. That being said, they literally have seen the Romans,

(43:13):
They've seen the Egyptians, the Romans, the Greeks, the so
called standards, They've seen all these empires come and go.
And I just I think and this people would argue
this contextually, but China, even at some of this height
of his power, they actually seem to focus more inwardly,

(43:33):
they created walls to keep other people out, and they didn't.
Maybe one of their benefits that they didn't try to
create a global empire. So I think there might. Again,
this is the conversation we talk about with the I
brought up how communism was said to have fail when
the Berlin ball fell, But China's still here, so that's it.

(43:56):
And they had more if you think about the population,
why they had more Communists than the so reunioned it. So,
if anything, it might be a sign that European culture
has deep, deep rooted flaws that no matter what system
that they're practicing or or engage in, there's going to
be a short lifetime, a shelf life for it. But again,

(44:19):
the Chinese have consistently been Chinese people for five thousand
They have cultural continuity. They've been in Chinese for about
five thousand years, so I wouldn't bet against that. And
I think when we talk about what's next and how
do we prepare, I think, again, we all have talents
right now. And I say this in jest sometimes, but
as powerful as the Chinese are, I've never heard anyone

(44:42):
say they want to be Chinese. I think that means
that the Chinese can be Chinese, we could be African,
and other people can be who they are and all
be in a world where we're able to participate in.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
And I think the lie right there cause that interesting.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
Now.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
I want you to dig down in that when we
get back. But we got to check the traffic weather.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Nobody wants to be Chinese even though people want to.
On top of what does what does that mean for
us as a society? Family, interesting conversation here with brother
Saint Clair Skinner. You could join the discussion as well.
Just reach out to us at eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six one ticket phone calls.
After the trafficking weather that's next and Grand Rising family,
thanks for waking up with us on this Monday morning

(45:22):
and the first Monday in November. I guess this Brother
Sinclair Skinner is just back from a trip to China,
and Brother Sinclair, my question to you before we left
the trafficking weather update, I was up.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Did you see because I know in Japan you see a.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Lot of you will see some Japanese, especially young folks,
young Japanese trying to become more europeanized to change their eyes,
their hair even blond, and you know, or that some
of even got afros, you know in Japan.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Did you see that in China?

Speaker 6 (45:49):
Now you know? Now you said it. So my wife
is in the she knows this anime stuff. I wasn't
hip to it.

Speaker 8 (45:57):
Like, so there's a whole thing like uh, these uh
is based in Japan. They you know, the other other
Asian countries I guess are engaged, but they have like
these characters, and some of them have are straight European.

Speaker 6 (46:15):
And they also have like I saw people with yellow
contact lenses. So yellow is not a contact lens of
any particular group. But in these animations that that I see,
this anime is a big deal. They have all kinds
of characters and that to me seem more Eurocentric uh

(46:35):
than they are even in some ways Asian. So I
did see some of that.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Why supremaciay all around the world is that for many
tall states all around it just wasn't you know.

Speaker 6 (46:51):
Yeah, it's a global you know, it's a global phenomena.
But I think what's happening, and this is the part
of it that's probablymatic. Trump is actually showing the flaws
in some of this, like this actually hear about the
United States and then seeing Trump's behavior, I think he

(47:15):
does more to undermine white supremacy than anybody. Like it's
almost like what we've seen, you know, with the tragedies
that we've seen in the Middle East, that with so
much of that has done is put a spotlight on
Israel in a way that undermines what they initially wanted

(47:35):
to show. They wanted to show Israel is a victim
in Israel is being but what people have seen and
ken unsee is literally babies being killed. So it's one
of those things where I think Trump's behavior, Biden's behavior,
I think the end of empire. You see these, you know,
desperate actions that create some level of undermining the whole notion,

(48:02):
not the whole notion, but it does require them to
now put even more energy and advancing White's permise ideology
because the contradictions are so dissipate, layering. Like again, you
know Quarma Terreyus talk about the contradictions, but literally they're
so in your face that the United States is not
about human rights. They used to say that, they could

(48:24):
say it or would try.

Speaker 9 (48:25):
To say it that they're here to help.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
But USAID has been found to have been used to overthrow,
undermine destabilized countries, just like the CIA has. And now
you see what the weapons continue and the vetos that
you see in the United Nations. That again, or even
with this recent the Norway gave the Nobel Peace Prize

(48:50):
to the head opposition leader in Venezuela who's calling she's
calling for the violent overthrow of a government. Like these
contradictions are being you know, put in them place where
people can now openly see them. So even when we
say white supremacistilities, I think it's clear it does. But
I think more than any time globally, people are seeing

(49:13):
that these things are all I mean, are mostly live.
And again not just with Trump, Biden was part of that.
So when people or even Obama with the killing of
momark A Daffi, like, these are all things that really
point to this is a lie. And now that we

(49:34):
know the truth, what do we do? And so I
think that's even with the young people in China, they're
being raised in a China that's very powerful as opposed
to just one generation ago where they were in a country.
You know, we talked about the first World and third World.

(49:54):
A lot of people don't remember, and this is like
part of the non alliance movement stuff, that there was
a second world. The first world was so called Western nations.
Third world was so called underdeveloped. Of course, I think
there's only one world, of clear God made one world.
But the second.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
World was really.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
Those warsaw pack Eastern Europe, China and the communist countries
that were more developed a state operated but not as
developed as so called the West. China's well passed second World,
and they're head of the first World. So these young
people are really and then they no longer have that

(50:34):
one child policy. I saw little Chinese babies all over
the place. They was taking the babies everywhere, So I
think what we've seen. And when I was in Shanghai
back in the twenty ten, it got so bad with
the smog they had to shut down the highway for
several hours and the airport had because it was so

(50:56):
much smog from all the industrialization. Well that was a phase.
I looked at it now they had air quality that
was amazing. So again I think the Chinese experience, what
they've been doing is again it evolves, and I think
the same thing that we got to have. I don't
say have patience with ourselves, but I think we've done

(51:19):
some of the same things. I think we're we're definitely
because we're dealing with a lot of psychops and people
trying to use you know, propaganda to harm us. But
we as a people, what we've resisted and gone through
with white supremacy in the belly of the beast of
white supremacy has been nothing short of magnificent, amazing. That

(51:42):
doesn't mean it's not without failure. That's doesn't mean that
it's not without issues that we've got to overcome. But
what we did that's fundamentally is not die like this
white supremacist thing is killed whole people, you know, Native America,
so called average Like, what we fundamentally did is made

(52:04):
sure that they didn't take us off the map. And
they tried in so many ways, chemical warfare, biological, they've
done everything to kill us, and we still here. There's
no fat man or fat lad you're gonna sing on
us ever. So I mean for us is now, Yes,
we've got things to work on, but I think it's

(52:25):
really contextually what we've been able to do in spite
of everything that's been done to try to destroy us
is pretty amazing. And the fact, again we talk about
Chinese cultural continuity, the fact that Africans in America, no
matter how you call yourself, we've consistently had a connection

(52:46):
to Africa in spite of everything they tried to tell
us about Africa being horrible, all the things that, you know,
they didn't come rescue us with a boat, Brothers and
sistem of the continent whatever they didn't do, and it
was Brothers since it's involved all that we've kept a
consistent connection. They couldn't destroy that they wanted to destroy.

(53:08):
You know, they called us the Nigro, taking away all
our cultural contexts. So the fact that they've done everything
to try to destroy us and we're still consistently resisting
with ebbs and flows with you know something we had
some good years and some years better, but they can't.
You know. I just got back from Tuskegee's homecoming, you know,

(53:29):
and Auburn University is right up the street from Tuskegee,
and they got state funding and they're super huge. And
then I just bought two houses in a place called Greenwood.
The first Greenwood was not in Tulsa. It was in Tuskegee.
And you know, you think about all the towns, the
black towns that were destroyed. Tuskegee from eighteen eighty one

(53:51):
has had the powerful experience of black leadership from Booker T. Washington.
Now that again, all these things that was done was
to erase places like Tuskegee. They failed. Do they erase
a lot of them?

Speaker 10 (54:07):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (54:08):
What is a lot?

Speaker 6 (54:09):
One is too many for me. So my point is
what we've been able to do in spite of the Chinese,
what they've been able to do with all the attacks
on their people with a box of rebellions and the opium,
where all those things were done to destroy them and
they still here. So we got to stop letting people,

(54:30):
I think, talk about our worst moments and then somehow
try to identify as based on that. I just say,
don't add nothing, but don't take nothing away. What we've
been able to do in the time period that we
were kidnapped, taking all these things done, the genocides done
here in so called North America, for us to still
be in our right mind talking about self determination, sovereignty

(54:54):
and loving and joy and the energy we have and
connection to God. It's supernatural. It's really amazing. And those
who are are so called enemies, they know, they know
who we are. They don't want to compete against us.
That's why they pull out all these tricks and all
these you know back like even with Trump talking about

(55:17):
the Venezuela is trying to overthrow, you know, after they
killed Hugo Chavez and now Duro. Literally the stopping the
drugs is a real thing that if you hear him
say what he's saying, he's lying about what he's doing
to Venezuela. But I don't understand why we all want
to make sure that cocaine doesn't get to America. And

(55:38):
cocaine can't be grown in North America. It's impossible. It
needs a certain altitude and a certain tropical climate. So
if any Congressional Black Caucus member, any people like literally,
we all should be saying, how do we stop cocaine?
Because the people involved in the trafficking of cocaine you

(56:00):
have to have some level of complicity with the government
because the financial side, the stuff I learned from bitcoins,
you can't move that amount of money. I mean, the
US dob they don't trade cocaine and pay those right.
It's a USD which is controlled by the Federal Reserve,
so that you can't move that without some level of complicity.
So instead of him blowing up these little boats, you know,

(56:21):
without giving people the right to say they're not guilty,
or if you think about it, if he really thought
they had drugs, instead of blowing them up, you think
they would actually, you know, arrest those people and use
the evidence as a way to verify that they did
have drugs. But they're just going around killing people like
this is all war crimes, This is all crimes against humanity.
But I'm just saying the issue of drugs is something

(56:44):
that we could as a you know, as a people,
get behind the fact that, yes, there's drugs being allowed
to come into the United States. Now they don't come
to Venezuela. They say much of it comes through the
Pacific side. But literally all those tankers, I mean those
ships that are having all those containers on them, there's

(57:06):
no way that you can have this amount of cocaine
coming in America without it being a part of some
large supply chain. It's not Julio and Ray Ray and
Jojo making this happen. This is all at a corporate level.
So again, I think when we talk about what China
is going through, what we've gone and going through, these
are all journeys. The Chinese are still here and we're

(57:29):
still here, and we're not going anywhere, and we're not
going to sit stand.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Here because we're a special people. As doctor Anderson fourteen
right to the top day with Brother Sinclair Skinner just
back from China, we're talking about international offics. You know
what I've noticed, little brother Sinclair, for I take a
call fee. It seems so when it comes to international issues,
our people take a back seat, not just you know,
on the local level, but even at the national level

(57:54):
as well. You know, you guys can deal with health
and education or with homeless and all that other stuff,
but when it comes into national we don't get a
bite of the apple.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Have you noticed that?

Speaker 6 (58:06):
Yeah? It's kind of amazing because we're literally a product
of bad US foreign policy, wicked form like us being
in so called America is a part of a literal
foreign policy. The Transatlantic slave trade is an actual foreign policy,
and the fact that we're not more engaged in foreign

(58:28):
policy is just really remarkable to me.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
All Right, fifteen A half the top there. Let's take
a call for you come up on a breakfield. So
let's go to West Palm Beach and carls waiting for us.
He's online to Grand Rise and call you on with
brother Saint Clair Skinner.

Speaker 10 (58:43):
Black Sylar Derey today and build the Skinner. I wanted
to take and ask you to if you could utilize
that thought process that you utilized earlier for Africa. As
you related how they were all these different countries. All
they needed to do was established some kind of railroad
or something to themselves so that they can do some
development amongst themselves. Immediately made me to think about the

(59:08):
effort that doctor Claude Anderson was trying to provide for
those of us who are in the United States when
he was talking about drawing the railway through Alabama, Mississippi
and and those other areas. And as he developed the railroad,
you would be developing of the business district at each
stop that they would make. Then, also, how he was
talking about the fishery, and we know that we are

(59:30):
the number one eat is a seafood apparently here in America.
And you get brought about the whole host of thought
processes that could possibly help those of us in America
if we could see the need to join together because
we're losing a lot of areas in the major metropolitan
city and if now we could develop the new farmland

(59:51):
or whatever it is that we need for ourselves. And
like you said earlier, it is a time wherein that
Trump is providing us with the spirit and possibly division
where we could see it if we have somebody to
exalt that. Because I thought it was wonderful the way
that you designed that for Africa. But if you could
take that same concept and utilize that for the various

(01:00:11):
states that we have, and how you could pull us together?
And what do you think about such an idea of
that manga too?

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
All right, hold the thing right there, Carl, brother Sinclaly,
we got to step aside for a few moments. I'll
let you respond to Carl's question on the other side. Family,
you two can join this conversation. Like Carl in West
Palm Beach, Florida. Reach out to us at eight hundred
take a phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks
for starting your week with us. I guess it's Brother
Sinclair Skinner and this is Black Solidarity Day. This is

(01:00:40):
a day with no absence. So we all started from
a play that you know, the African Americans would sit
out and would not go to work, go to school
on this day, and they always do it the day
before election day in November. So this is Black Solidarity
Day for those few who don't understand why. It's been
celebrated and started in New York, and it was big
in New York in the nineties, but now sort of

(01:01:02):
fizzled out because the people who are pushing it left
the stage, if you will. Twenty one minutes off the
top of you before we left, we're speaking with Carl
in West Palm Beach, Florida and Brother Sinking.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Do you remember his question.

Speaker 6 (01:01:14):
Yeah, he was talking about doing the connecting of our
people here in North America like I was describing with
the connection of Africans and African people on the continent.
I will just say this, I think when people you
know I'm a Pan Africanist, my contract is a little different.
I think us organizing any and everywhere is important. So

(01:01:40):
I think the part I disagree with is that we
say organized here in a settler colony that was colonized
by Europeans, even though there were African people here before
they came. The construct that we're living in is an
oppressive one, and I think that it has a short life.

(01:02:03):
I don't think settler colonialism is something that's sustainable, and
I think the demise of settler colonialism is inevitable. So
I don't know if it's not if it's when that
colonial enterprise fails. I don't want our people to be
somehow feeling like we got to keep it standing instead

(01:02:25):
of being willing to move into a new world where
it's without the so called colonialism. So, like I said,
I just was at Tuskey's homecoming and I bought some
properties there, and you have students, ve students staying there.
We're moving in some staffs from Tuskegon, and again we're

(01:02:46):
trying to be affordable, something helpful, a way to give back.
This is Alabama, Macon County. So I don't think I
agree with the brother that we can organize our people
in the South. But my disagreement would be I would
never limit I don't think God cursed us to have

(01:03:09):
to stay in North America. Let me say, like that.
I don't think God cursed us to have to be
in one place. I think you can live here a
part of the year, another place a part of the year.
I think we have to get outside of the colonial construct.
African people were the first to circumnavigate the world. We've
been all over. We just din't colonize people. So when

(01:03:30):
we get so tied to a land mass called North America,
in a country that's based on settled colonialism, I think
there might be some inherent flaws in our premise. But
I think the collective conversations about how do we organize,
I think shows that our resilience that no matter what

(01:03:50):
we go through as a people, we see ourselves as
a collective and are willing to fight for that self determination.
But I would think that again, as the brother mentioned,
we can do that collectiveness here in the United States,
we can advocate it for on the continent of Africa.
We can advocate that in the Caribbean. And we got

(01:04:12):
brothers and sisters who've experienced a hurricane. Now I'm not
from Jamaica, but that doesn't mean I know the boat.
Would Jesse say the boat there was not a Jamaican boat.
There was one boat that dropped some folks off in
Jamaica and then it came all the way up here.
We just won boat ride from being Haitian or Jamaican.
So I think contextually, I think our connection is more

(01:04:36):
fluid than the rigid. Saying that these states that we
didn't even create, that we're somehow bound to making County
Alabama with bookst Washington and founded Tuskegee will always be important,
I think an important part of our legacy as a people.
And I think connecting back elevating that because it's still

(01:04:57):
about ninety nine nine percent a black town, that we
should elevate any organized group. And they just got a
new mayor, Chris Lee, who just got elected last month.
So I think spending time and energy in places where
we have high populations with black folks, I think it
will always be correct. But that's global. I don't think

(01:05:20):
it's just locally.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Twenty five on the top. I thank you, Carl, Thank
you Carl brother and Claire. Let's let's go about I
Love Black People campaign. Can you tell the little family
how you started it, why you started it?

Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
Absolutely so. The work that we started in the tech
space was connected to how do we allow our brothers
and sisters in Zimbabwe and the continent of Africa to
send money all over the world, and in that time period,
we were looking at bitcoin as a key part of
doing that to replace the Western unions and the money

(01:05:55):
grams that literally had a duopoly in exploiting our people.
In doing that, we realized it wasn't just just the
issue sending money back and forth. We were working on
some projects with ethanol in Zimbabwe and just couldn't move
the money. But what we realized is just really a
black tax on black people globally and not just in

(01:06:18):
our transactions, in every aspect of our lives. And we
saw the green Book model.

Speaker 11 (01:06:26):
Where brothers and sisters were able to leverage something that
wasn't created by the government, wasn't created by churches. It
was actually created by independent business people who literally saw
the importance not of circulating the dollar black dollar. It
wasn't something as superficial as that. It was about making
sure black lives were not being murdered and harassed and humiliated.

(01:06:50):
So we saw that there was a bigger context that
we could leverage technology to connect and create a global
safety net. In the original Green Book focused on transportation,
and places to stay and places to eat.

Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
We expanded that to include health care, legal finance, education slash, childcare,
and beauty, and we said, look in these key areas
of people activity, we want to make sure there are
people do not have to be harmed by humiliating and

(01:07:27):
that these are such important aspects of their lives. They
need to be able to go about the world fearlessly.
As it relates to this, and when I think go
about the world, I'm saying even where they lived. We
saw during COVID that there were local healthcare providers that
were mistreating black patients and black folks who needed help.

(01:07:52):
And it doesn't matter if you're traveling. But we realized
the original Green Book, even though it was focused on travel,
travel is just one human vulnerability, meaning that when you're
someplace and you don't know know anyone, you're vulnerable. You're
more vulnerable so that your decisions need to be as
good as possible because you don't know anyone, and consequences

(01:08:14):
if you do something can be more harmful. Well, we
see vulnerabilities. If you're sick, you're vulnerable. If you make
your wrong decision, it could be life threatening. Legal, if
you have somehow the government or someone is trying to
arm you or take your rights away. That's your vulnerable.

(01:08:37):
You need to be able to make good decisions. So
you need to have places and people who are going
to respect you as a human being. So what we
saw is that that global safety that has never been
created and that lawless technology. They got technology to help
dogs out, technology to help you with your weight. We

(01:08:57):
need to leverage technology to help protect each other from
the harms and humiliations of racism and afrophobia. And we
call afrophobia the irrational fear or hatred of people perceived
to be of African descent. And we say perceived to
be of African descent because the people who are harming

(01:09:18):
us don't ask you where you're from, you know, like
they say when they pull you over. They're not asking
all that are you Baptists or Muslim? Okay? So for
us the issue is again and we say perceived also
because some people don't call themselves African. I've been to
Peru plenty of African people are black people, and literally
they don't They've never been African, so they have no association.

(01:09:40):
But you say black, they clear on what a black
is so again, we're literally saying that we're going to
pull together this over one point five billion people globally
and create a safety net so that we don't have
to again go through this harm and humiliation. And we
do it by crowdsourcing. Now, when Victor Green started the

(01:10:00):
Green Book in nineteen thirties and then call it crowdsourcing,
but that's the word that we use now. And we're
now at the point I think we got over thirty
some thousand recommendations and we have over like I think
seventy thousand people who signed up. We're at the critical
point where we're going to launch the actual app officially

(01:10:24):
at the end of this month. I think our date
that we have right now is November twenty ninth, and
we're going to launch it and you're going to see
it being promoted in more places. But we're at the
point where we want to make sure as many of
our brothers and sisters who are looking for ways that
they can help build a safety net for our people,

(01:10:45):
no matter where they are in the world, that they
can leverage the I Love Black People and then go
to iOS, they can go on to Google Play. We're
right now wrapping up what you call beta testing, So
when you downloaded, if you got any problems, we have
a little question icon if you've got any issues that

(01:11:06):
you see on the app. We want to have everything
just right before we do this official launch, but we're
getting very very close, and we know that with our community,
we want to be when we launch it having as
much of it right because you know how we are.
We're more critical about our apps than we are about Facebook,
and these other apps that aren't created by Pan Africanists

(01:11:27):
aren't meant to help us and they oftentimes shadow ban us.
So with I Love Black People App, this is going
to be and it's free. We'll never charge black people
to be safe from racism or aprophobia. So literally, the
businesses that are on the app have to be recommended.
You can't pay your way onto our app. You have
to be recommended. And again another thing that we're asking

(01:11:50):
our folks who download our app go and validate the
places that have already been recommended. If you think those
places are black friendly, to make sure that you were
recommend them too, because when you go on our app,
the businesses that have the most recommendations were being at

(01:12:11):
the top in that area. And in order to kind
of incentivize folks that you know, to stay on track
is we have a point system. Every time you open
the app, you get points every time you refer to somebody,
because it's not just the safe places, it's us building
a global network or relations of Pan African people all

(01:12:34):
over the world. So now we'll get to the point
when you go to a particular city, it could be Compiling, Uganda,
it could be copenhad Hay in Denmark, you'll be able
to identify the I Love Black People there if you
need some help. We did this very much like I said,
when we were dealing with students with members of I
Love Black People when the Ukraine War started and we

(01:12:58):
were helping them transition from Ukraine to Poland to either
Germany or back to their home country. When we have
people who are not just black but people of common interest,
we can really do a lot. So it's one of
those things where we're at the critical point. We definitely
need you to download the app, use it like you know,

(01:13:19):
get get you know on board with how we are
moving around. We have a Saturday meeting that we have
ten o'clock Eastern time every Saturday. Uh Doctor Tyrene Wright,
who you've had on your show many times. She leads
a Pan African history class, and we have meetings with

(01:13:40):
our members from all over the globe talking about key
issues so that we make sure that our people are
up to date with what's happening and have basically an
interaction beyond just the digital You know, of course everything
that we're doing is an app centered approach, but this
absent or approach is for real world experiences. So we

(01:14:04):
want to make sure we're leveraging the digital world to
improve our quality of their life in the real world.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Right twenty six minutes away from the top of our family,
just checking in. I guess it's Sinclair Skin that we're
talking about his app I Love Black People. It's a
campaign he started, he said, he started when he saw
how African students were treated in Ukraine. And what it
is if it identifies black friendly places or persons or
or events that you can go to and you won't

(01:14:33):
you won't, you won't feel like you're getting shafted. It's
pretty in the use of that term. These people are
black friendly and not necessarily all black.

Speaker 6 (01:14:40):
Am I correcting saying that, Yeah, So this is the
context we say, is Pan African friendly. So you could
be let's say Denmark, Copenhagen, and there might not be
a black doctor there, but it might be a Mongolian
woman doctor that all the black folks in that area
go to because she treats him with ility in respect.

(01:15:01):
Or you can be in Thailand and it might not
be a black lawyer there, but you get into legal trouble,
but there's a lawyer from Malaysia that works in Bangkok
and you get access to a good lawyer. So every
place that you go may not have a black owned
establishment that's helpful. So our thing is just like the
original green Book. In the original Green Book, people mistake

(01:15:25):
it for a black business directory. It wasn't. Throughout the
course of the thirty some years that it was available,
they had many non black businesses. Because again you're talking
about the entire United States States doing you know, Jim
Crow us apartheid. So the issue was about are these
places going to harm us? And so often people talk

(01:15:48):
about the negative, who's not treating us right? It's a
fair conversation, but the Green Book was about those that
did treat us right. So it wasn't a place where.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
You, yeah, we got to take the break. When we
come back, though, answer this question for me. How do
you vet the people that are placed in the I
Love Black People book or campaign. It's digital, so it's online,
So how do you vet them? Because you know it's
sad to say, we've got some people who don't like
to play by the rules and may decide to take
advantage of what's going on. And I'll let you answer

(01:16:20):
that question when we get back. As I mentioned, it's
twenty four minutes away from the top day our foundly
we got to check the latest and news, trafficking, weather
on different cities. If you want to join this conversation
with brother sint Claire Skinner, reach out to us at
eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six. I
want to take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,
thank you for joining us this morning. Black Solidarity to
Day Black Solidarity Dales takes place in the monday before

(01:16:42):
general elections. It started back in nineteen sixty nine. This
is what we're observing today with our guest brother Sinclair Skinner,
before we go back to and no, let me just
remind you coming up later this morning, we're gonna speak
with the Professor Maynu and pin Professor Ampin. For those
who don't know as one who discover that the Willy
Lynch letter was a fraud. He's going to talk about
Trump threatning to send troops into Nigeria and what's going

(01:17:03):
on in the Sedan. And later this week you're gonna
hear from chematologist Tony Browner, Holistic, the healer, Queen a
Fool will be with us. Queen a Fool Well speaks
with us, and also civil rights activist that doctor Paul
Smith will be here. He marched with doctor King and
Andy Young. They all got to be here this week.
So if you're in Baltimore, keep your radio locked in
tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV,

(01:17:24):
we're on fourteen fifty w L. All right, brother Saint Claire,
My question to you is, how'd you fit the people
that are involved in the I Love Black People campaign?
How do you check them out? Make sure that they're
not scammers.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
If you will.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
So the first thing we do is to be a member,
you have to fill out a registration, so we have
to verify that your phone number is real and that
is connected to you. And we also make sure that
the rest of your data is connected, and so we
definitely just don't let anybody on to make a recommendation.

(01:18:00):
So that's what we do to verify a person being
a member. Now, in addition to that, we use what
we always used, really what the Green Book used was
that black people have been giving each other recommendations all
PRAF So in many ways, you know, you don't have
to be a culinary artist to recommend a restaurant. And

(01:18:24):
so we allow our members to make the recommendations and
they are the ones who are saying this is my
opinion about the place. So our focus in our and
what we're doing is taking something that's already done informally,
something that already was done with the Green Book, and
just digitizing it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Now, so how do we get a copy? Stingcliar fourteen
away from the top, he how do we get a copy?
Is it all digital? Is all online?

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
So we do have every year we come out with
a greenment. Every year for the last five years, we've
come out with an actual green book called the Global
Green Book that we come out with every year, and
that one won't be ready for the next coming year
until January. But that being said, so you can definitely
go online right now and look up Global Green Book
and get a hard copy. But the difference between that

(01:19:15):
and app is fluid is constantly updated. You know, we
just again had some of our team at Howard Homecoming,
Tuskegee University's homecoming Afro Tech, and we have people signing
up registering at all these places to help this crowdsource,
and that's the focus. Let me also say that out loud, like,

(01:19:35):
we definitely want people who use the application to find
places that are Black friendly or when we say Pan
African friendly. But where we really are focusing on the
first phase of the official launch are those who are
looking to share information. Let me say another way, there
are people who may not go out here and protests.

(01:19:56):
There's people who may not go out here in March,
but they still want to make a difference in the
lives of black people. You may not belong to any
formal organization or clubs or church or religious abilities, but
if you want to share the doctor that you know
that you use that has always treated you with dignity

(01:20:19):
and respect, or the restaurant that you've always gone through
and they treated you with dignity and respect, share that
information with us. These are the things, little things that
we can do that don't cost any money but definitely
shows a priceless concern for the welfare of others. So
for us, the big thing is folks who are willing

(01:20:40):
to share. I went to tusk Ev and I went
to Howard, so I'm already part of an informal network
of folks. I'm a member fraternity like these. It's not
just for folks who went to universities and AHBC used.
We want to make sure all are people, the one
point five billion people of African descent globally can live

(01:21:00):
a life spiritlessly of these horrible things that racism and afrophobia.
So again, our big focus is doing something that has
never been done before, is create this global safety net
that's huge but literally well you know we need it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Yeah, let me join me here at ten away. I'm
from the top of the AI, Brother Sinclair, do you
also put if somebody had a negative experience, say at
a restaurant, for example, and writes it, did you accept
that or just don't put anything at all? If it's negative,
you leave it out.

Speaker 6 (01:21:36):
No, if it's negative, we leave it out. Like one
of the things that happened early even and it's actually
happening with other applications. It's easier to say something negative,
so someone says, don't go here. I think that's fair,
you know, Like we saw with Serena Williams. She literally
was almost killed by her doctor. Like she's rich, she's famous,

(01:22:00):
so very healthy, and she's even married to a white man,
and she still almost was killed by trying to give
birth to our first baby. So we're clear that this
is something that's actually going on, and we need to
know where not to go, but we need to also
know where to go. So after someone tell you don't
do this, I'm still sick, where do I go? So

(01:22:21):
our focus is on the positive. I think there's plenty
of places that people have found to say bad things,
negative things. Our thing is organizing the people who have
some positive things, and how do we not only build
this global safety net, but ultimately build a global mutual
aid society where our people can leverage their knowledge and

(01:22:45):
understanding what's going on to actually help us build something
that we don't need outside support to help each other,
Like we're looking at Jamaica right now. One of the
things that we'll be able to do after our official launch,
if anytime there's like a prices, we will already have
identified Pan African friendly businesses on the ground. Food is

(01:23:07):
one of our eight categories. So right now we're people
talking about they're going to work with these NGOs and nonprofits,
and we know a lot of these red crosses all
that a lot of that money goes overhead to some
folks that are not related to the issues at hand,
and they give a couple of pennies to the people
on the ground that actually doing the hard work. Well,

(01:23:30):
if we can leverage our network and then identify our
members on the ground, identify the black friendly spaces on
the ground, we literally can create an opportunity where we
can connect the people on the ground to resources outside
and actually help without going through a third party. So
when we start organizing safe spaces and black people who

(01:23:52):
are interested in safe spaces that care about other black people,
we don't need, you know, these these NGOs and these
nonprofits that are out here. You know, and now again
I'm not not going nonprofit. I'm saying that we have
the technology now to connect each other and those who

(01:24:13):
have the expertise without going outside of a Pan African
construct we literally, if we have transportation that's already identified,
and we've got food that's already identified, we got healthcare
providers already identified, and our members on the ground, we
literally could collaborate and support those people who are already

(01:24:35):
providing food and help them provide it to those who
need to help, and leverage the transportation people to help
make sure it gets to where they need to go.
This is all using our brains, the Pan African unity
that we're talking about, through a digital platform like our app,

(01:24:56):
in a way that almost becomes like an Uber or
Airbnb of safe blackness, so that no matter where we go,
we can be fearless and we can leverage our energies,
our abilities in a very focused, coordinated way. We talk
about again ready talk about organized organized. We're leveraging tools,

(01:25:17):
modern tools. The tool they used in the Green Book
was a book that could be copyrighted and people printed. Well,
we've now gone to the place where we not only
have a place to store their information, but we actually
can coordinate the information. The original Green Book didn't allow that.
It's almost like a hard copy database. We now can

(01:25:39):
collaborate with those on our database and the people who
recommended these spaces to actually carry out activities. We could
literally create our own global school system leveraging the Black
friendly pet African friendly schools and educators. We could create
our own healthcare system by coordinating the recommended healthcare providers.

(01:26:05):
So there's things that we can do actively by leveraging
this network. And that's where I say, people you know,
are always talking about social media and Instagram and all
these things those and I'm not knocking TikTok, but singing
and dancing is not to me the social engagement we need.
We need this social engagement that can protect each other.

(01:26:28):
And what we're going to be launching in the end
of this month is just that, with your support, we'll
be able to have, for the first time in the
history of the planet, a little safety net to protect
black people from the harms and humiliations of racism and
afrophobia by coordinating those who are already interested in making

(01:26:48):
sure our people are safe.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Way, brother Sinclair, how are we going to get this
message out though? Because what you're talking about we have
it's a global It's global because it is on the internet,
and black folks are every era across the world. As
you know, they we love all of them to be
You have the app on their phones, But how we're
going to reach them to know that I love black people.

(01:27:14):
App is out there that it's beneficial to them.

Speaker 6 (01:27:18):
Well, I think again, it's everyone may not be what
we get. What we want to get are those who
are sincere and serious. We want to collaborate, coordinate, curate
with those who are looking for ways to get more
reach to do more good for the least amount of

(01:27:39):
money without us having to go get grants and things.
And what we call it in the text space is
zero marginal growth. You have a barbershop and an accounting firm,
You got to get more bookkeepers to get more business.
You got to get more barbershop shares. What's great about technology?
If ten people are using the app, or ten million
are using the app, zero marginal call to accommodate the

(01:28:01):
ten to name in the ten. So what we can
do with this space is that we can actually do
more good for less than we probably ever could do
in the history of the world. So again, folks, those
people who are the critical mass of people who are
sincere about helping total strangers that they've never met like

(01:28:23):
that group of people is the special part not the
ones who want to sing and dance or debate or
talk about how much history they know. We want to
coordinate with those who are willing to take action. And
I don't think it takes everyone to do that. I
think there's not a movement that we are a revolution
that everybody participated in. We need the early adopters. We're

(01:28:44):
not here for folks who you know, like we give
away T shirts and wristbands. We're not here for those
who are just trying to do it for fun. We're saying,
if we have a hardcore group of Pan Africanists that
help us build this, all black people, non pen african Is, bourgeoisie, negroes,

(01:29:06):
everybody can benefit the's in no way with the help
of a hardcore few, we can benefit the collective. So
this is why we say it's not right now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Hold up, all right there, we got to check I'm
looking at the clock. Well, we got to check the
trafficking weather in our different cities. When we come back, though,
tell us, if you see a rise in Pan Afghanism
now because you travel the globe, if you see more
and more people identify as being Pan Africanist, family, you
two can get it on this conversation with brother Saint
Clair Skinner. Reach out to us at eight hundred four
five zero seventy eight seventy six ticket calls after the

(01:29:38):
trafficking weather. That's name and Grand Rising family. Thanks for
starting your week with us. It's starting month of November
with us too. After the top, they MoMA, tell who're
going to speak with Professor may New I pin He's
on deck. But right now with brother Saint Clair Skinner.
Brother Saint Clair's a businessman also a humanitarian, travels the globe.
He's got a program called I Love Black People. Where
it's in the digital field. That's where it is. Find

(01:30:00):
a black company or a black service that you enjoyed
and you think it would be beneficial to the rest
of the family, or just contact brother Sinclear is going
to give us that contact information in a moment. But
before we left, though, my question to you, Brother Sinclic,
since you're a world traveler, are you seeing a rise
or surgeon pan Africanism across the continent as well as
the other countries that you visit.

Speaker 6 (01:30:23):
You know, I think that the how region where they
rejected the French and I think there's there's definitely places
that I definitely see a change of our collective understanding
that we're part of a family and that we're not
just some nationalistic group. I've seen that. But I also
seen on the other side, we're you know, more folks

(01:30:45):
and saying, well, I'm not from Africa. So I think
I've seen, you know, I think we can see this.
I remember folks talking about octrous and quadrones, and I mean,
I think we go through different episodes or it's kind
of episode where he was rising and falling a different sentiment.
But again, I said, loads of we don't surrender. We're

(01:31:06):
going to be better than okay, like they're not going
to stop us. I think there again, there's things that
might distract us, but we're not going to be stopped.
You know again, I just left Tuskegee homecoming. I remember
wearing the shikis and my frat brothers would say, why
are you always walking around in your pajamas? Well, I
don't hear that much anymore. They know what a dashiki

(01:31:26):
is now. So I think there's a you know, levels
to this that are different. And I think even generationally,
I'm fifty six, you know, a lot of the gen
X you know, especially the super successful ones with great GPAs,
they bought into a system that was again where it
was controlled by white supim's ideology. They wouldn't get their

(01:31:49):
degrees in engineering, they got their master's degree in business administration.
And they all hit these ceilings and realize a lot
of the things that we were told if we stayed
in school didn't actually they weren't true. That literally, the
most powerful thing that we were able to gain from
going to HPCU was each other, was our relationships. It

(01:32:12):
wasn't the GPA, it wasn't a book, it wasn't even
the class. It was each other and our experiences. So
again I think, you know, if they don't call it
pen Africanism, they definitely use Pan Europeanism against us. They
definitely Europeans do collectively come together to harm us. But
even if you don't call it Pan Afghanism, I think

(01:32:34):
there's a spirit that we have, an affinity that we
have for each other that's supernatural. And again that sounds spooky,
but I think again, when black folks see other black
folks on TV doing something crazy, even if we don't
even know them, black people, we feel a certain way.
I've been with other cultures where they're indifferent if they
don't know the person, why would I feel any kind

(01:32:55):
of way. So I think no matter where I've been,
there's been that supernatural connection to each other that we have,
and I think that has not been destroyed. And I
think God has been very good to make us in
that in that way, to be that strong and that
spiritual in our connection that is again is impossible to

(01:33:16):
stop us. Only people can stop us, is us. So
again we call ourselves Pan Africanists, and we identify as
Pan Africanists. I think there's definitely ups and downs in that,
but that energy that connects us and binds us, I
think it's as powerful as it's ever been, and it's
beautiful and it feels so good to experience it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
To that brother so brother Saint Clare. Folks who want
to get involved, want to be part of it. I
Love Black People campaign. How do they reach out? Is
there a website? Email address?

Speaker 6 (01:33:48):
Yeah? Please? I Love Black People dot com. They can
get on I Love Black People with iOS the Apple Store,
or they can get us with the Google play Store.
I Love Black People like They can contact us on
the phone two O two five five eight five to
one four three two O two five five eight five

(01:34:09):
to one four three.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
We're based in Washington, DC as well as Hurraris, Zimbabwe,
and we'd like they can get us on an email
info at I Love Black People dot com info at
I Love Blackpeople dot com. We have a presence on Instagram,
but again Instagram is controlled by Mark Zuckerberg, who's not

(01:34:31):
a Pan Africanist. We rather you engage us on our app.
We have a chat feature. It's very much like WhatsApp
and Instagram. You can share and post and everything in
that way where we literally we don't want to have
to depend on anyone else for us to be able
to be connected. So leveraging and using our application, you

(01:34:52):
literally don't have to worry about being shadow band or
somebody trying to use this thing to try to harm us.
So in a real way, we're really are building a
virtual society based on the premise of protecting black people
from racism and afrophobia. We're not just coming together to
come together. We're not coming together to sing and dance.

(01:35:14):
We're coming to create for the first time in the
history of the planet of global safety. Now full stop, all.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Right, thank you, brother Sinclair, thank you for the work
that you do, always looking out for us, and you know,
thank you for sharing with your travels. Let you just
back from China. We travel with you vicariously so we
understand what's going on and how they treat the brothers
and sisters overseas. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with
us this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:35:35):
Nanna, Thank you big brother Carl. Really, we love you,
love you, love you, love your work, and we gotta
we got to get more people in them archives. Man,
you got a universe. We got to call you. Look,
Carl Nelson University right here. We just need to get
this thing out to all the people because they deserve
it and they need it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
All right, thank you for those kind words, sin Claire,
thank you again.

Speaker 4 (01:35:58):
I'm ya, thanks you all right, Family eight af.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
The topic I was bringing that, Professor Main new Impim Professor.
I'm penm grand Rising, Happy Black Soliday to day, welcome
to the program.

Speaker 9 (01:36:08):
Well, good morning, brother Karl, I'm glad to be back.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
Yes, help us out here.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
You know, Donald Trump is threatening to send troops not
only to Venezuela but also to Nigeria. Now he's upset
what was going on in Nigeria. Help us out there
is there an ongoing conflict in Nigeria.

Speaker 9 (01:36:26):
Well, you know, well not not in the way that
it's being presented. I mean, there's instability in Nigeria, but
that's been the case for a while. I mean many
of the listeners may know back in twenty fourteen, Voko Haram,
the Islamic extremists in the Northeast region of Nigeria, they

(01:36:50):
kidnapped those girls back in twenty and fourteen, and they
were at a Christian school and so the world has
been aware of that that that these girls were were
actually kidnapped and by Boco Aram and and in fact,

(01:37:10):
from that kidnapping, many are still are still missing. There
was two hundred and seventy six girls between the ages
of sixteen and eighteen that were kidnapped, and so bocal
Waram these these are jihadis. They want to create this
Islamic state and take over the government. And so whether
it's Christians or anybody in the country are under threat.

(01:37:36):
But the Trump administration has made it as if they're
just Christians that are being killed and this is really
not what the international.

Speaker 6 (01:37:47):
The groups that.

Speaker 9 (01:37:50):
That monitor these issues are saying. It all so Trump
said that Christianity is facing that extensive or extent threat
in Nigeria. He said that thousands of Christians are being
killed by radical Islamists and that Nigeria is now under
the Country of Particular Concern. So this is an orchestrated

(01:38:14):
campaign to destabilize Nigeria. It's not that there are not
some Christian deaths. There are that. It's not that some
Christian churches are being burned. They are, but there's not
a specific attack on Christians. In fact, there's been more
Muslims that have died in Nigeria in the last couple

(01:38:35):
of years than there has been Christians. So yes, there's
definitely problems, there's conflict, and there's issues that people are
concerned about. But the Trump administration is taking these Christian
deaths out of context, and the media and some people in.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
But that are in.

Speaker 9 (01:38:54):
Congress are also participating in this ability or this effort
to destabilize Nigeria. So this is what we should be
concerned about. So Trump is going to continue to tweet
out this propaganda as he's done now over the weekend,
and so people, yes, there's concern, but this is not new.
In fact, the deaths have actually decreased since twenty twenty three,

(01:39:18):
So why are they now rapping up the propaganda because
there's an agenda, So people should be aware of this.
And I'm not minimizing deaths, but there's no singular target
on Christians at all. But there's Christians in this country
that get overlooked. In fact, if the focus is really
on protecting Christians around the world, as Trump is saying,

(01:39:41):
to protect, as he said, the great Christian population around
the world, why don't he go to Asia. I mean,
he certainly can go to some of the Asian countries
and wage war if that is really the concern as
opposed to Nigeria only. So this is what we really
should have. Some question it was about, is why is

(01:40:01):
he focusing on that one country when, uh, there are
Christians that are persecuted in North Korea And I didn't
see any tweaked from Trump about going into North Korea
to protect Christians.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Twelve after Top Family, just checking in, I guess is
Professor aman new and Pyment teachers a contracst the college
out in Northern California Professor M. Pym So this message
were threatening to invade Nigeria. Is this for domestic folks
that the Christian Nationalists who follow part of the MAGA
group or is it really something that do you think

(01:40:36):
is really concerned about what's going on in Nigeria.

Speaker 9 (01:40:39):
I think it's part of the the MAGA group. And
some of the politicians who he said he wants to
he wants them, uh, he wants them Ricky to he
wants imaged Tom Cole and Raley Moore to go into

(01:41:00):
go in and investigate what's happening and report back to
him and the and that the United States Court, to
Trump cannot stand by such atrocities that are happening in Nigeria.
So he's called on out particular politicians on the Appropriations
Committee to look into this and to report back immediately.

(01:41:20):
And people who are not looking at the background and
the numbers, and what does Human Rights Watch has to say,
what does Amnesty International have to say? And they clearly
indicated and the Nigerian government is not hiding the fact
that there's instability, but they also point out that there
is more if you look at it from country to country,

(01:41:41):
that there's more deaths and killings in the United States
than there is in Nigeria. And they know that that
instability is not really what they want in Nigeria. As
matter of fact, the Nigerian government they say, hey, welcome
to support of the Trump administration to assist, but assist
only but to respect the Nigerian independence and their sovereignty.

(01:42:04):
But there's no specific targeting of Christians that has increased
in any manner whatsoever. So it's important to really take
a look at this. But you know, you know something,
hopefully we.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
Need lose a Professor on Pim. Sounds like a line
dropped there. Interesting conversation, family about what's going on in Nigeria.
Those are you on the late train? Donald Trump is
threatened to send troops in Niger's because he says the
Christians are being slaughtered. But that might be the case,
and Donald Trump's got says he's going to send given
the Nigerian's government a chance to rectify that, or is

(01:42:40):
he's going to send him troops? What are your thoughts, family,
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to
seventy six. Let's take the break and see if we're
gonna get back with Professor Meynu on Pim, because we
also want to talk about the Sadan. What's going on
in the Saddan. There's a lot of people asking folks,
what's going on in Sadan, and we have to keep it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:55):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
It says it's genocide being taking place in the Saddam.
We want to find out what that's all about. So
if you got a question about the sit down of Nigeria,
reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six. All right, it's back,
all right, professor Champion. I'll let you finish your thought.

Speaker 9 (01:43:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:43:12):
Another thing to point out, and this is important, is
that that back in September, just two months ago, Trump
changed the name, even though this has to be done
officially by an Act of Congress, but he changed the
name from the Department of Defense back to the Department
of War. It had always been called the Department of

(01:43:33):
War since the government was founded and the first president
was George Washington. I mean Washington was a president because
he was a great general in the army against the British.
So it had always been the Department of War back
in the late seventeen hundreds. But after World War Two
they changed it from the Department of War to the

(01:43:55):
Department of Defense to change the perception humps. Now he's
calling it the Department of War and there's a Secretary
of War and so he seems to be working in
that area to to instigate war even though he criticized
the previous government for being warmongers, and they are, but

(01:44:16):
so is he as well. So we should really look
at this. He wants to have guns a blazing in
Nigeria and there's so what would be the part I
noticed he didn't say that about any other country, uh
in the region, So we should really be concerned about
that because there's something afoot and for the media to

(01:44:37):
just run with this then that that Nigeria is now
a country of particular concerns. So what resources are they're
looking to extract from the most populous country in all
of Africa, which is Nigeria.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
So we step aside for a couple of minutes, and
I'm glad you mentioned what can they extract from Nigeria?
Same things in Venezuela oil seventeen alfter the top that,
as I mentioned, I guess if Professor Manu and pen
you want to join our discussion, just reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero, seventy eight,
seventy six lar ticket phone calls. Next and Grand Rising
Family Facts are starting a week with US twenty one

(01:45:14):
minutes after the top there, I guess there's a professor
Manhu and Pin from Contra Acrost, the college out in
northern California. We're going to talk about the Sadan, but
right now we're also talking about Nigeria, mostly many. If
you may not know that Donald Trump is threatening to
the same troops into Nigeria, the claiming that Christians are
being slaughtered in Nigeria, and somebody tweeted it says, wonder
if Trump knows that they're probably not white Christians. If

(01:45:36):
anything attack on the Christians, they're probably black Christians. But anyway,
that's besides the point. But they are being he's threatening
to go in there and stay that often. The question
before we left for Professor Mpen was that move done
for the Christian base, part of his evangelical base here
Stateside or was he really something that he's concerned about
Christians all in Nigeria.

Speaker 9 (01:46:01):
Yes, the issue is pretty clear that this newfound concern
is not born out of concern for the people of
Nigeria at all. So there's stuffing foot that now his
administration is targeting the country of Nigeria, and the Nigeria

(01:46:22):
is really open to any assistance that respects its sovereignty
and its borders. And so they've always had that position
because these extremists are in the northeast of the country,
have been active now for more than a decade and
effective in causing chaos. But there's nothing particularly that has

(01:46:44):
happened that would warrant this kind of response. As a
matter of fact, Bocal km Haram, I mean, they're just
as focused on the Shiite Muslims and to take them
down as any Christians. So all of the people in
Nigeria are concerned and our targets of both Kurama and
they've never had any particular focus just on Christians as

(01:47:05):
a matter of fact, they're more their whole movement is
to condemn westernization in Western education. This is their main target,
you know. But they are extremely It's one of the
things that I've known or learned just spending time on
the continent is that many of these Jihattists, these are
not just mad men, but a lot of these these
folks are ignorant. I mean, really they don't read. They'll

(01:47:29):
listen to the Quran, they'll hear about the you know,
the Qur'an, but they don't read. They're not really informed people.
They're just mad men that go after any kind of
command that there may be. So certainly that is part
of the problem. But the Magabase under Trump, clearly they
have some kind of selective agenda because there's there's different

(01:47:52):
countries where there is conflict with Christians and Muslims. I
was just in Ethiopia this summer. There's problems between Christians
and Muslims there, as there has been for quite some time,
and there's other countries. So, but they're targeting the country
in Nigeria. People should know that this is just some

(01:48:12):
mad man who's at the Department who what he's calling
the Department of War that can just flex his muscles.
But at seventy nine years old, I would like to
see him go out and duke it out on the
battlefield and see how well he would do. But the
problem also is extended because you have uninformed people like
nicking but Nicki from Minaj who also who sent out

(01:48:40):
a tweet on x saying that she has a deep
sense of gratitude when she learned about the Madman's his
posts and that the thought we live in a country
that freely worships God and she's completely uninformed, this silly entertainer.
So this is certainly Widen Trump's call to look at

(01:49:05):
the country of Nigeria and to go in with guns
blazing if he gets back in a report that he
thinks justifies the US going in. So we should be
concerned about that. But this is US imperialism that has
been operative at a very high level since the eighteen nineties.
So this is really nothing new. And if there's any

(01:49:27):
real concern, then we should be supporting any countries that
are looking to rid any extremists, whether it's in Nigeria
or here in America for that matter.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
Yeah, all right there twenty five Off the top of that,
it's just a Kashiva is joined now. She usually lives
in Silver Spring, Maryland, just near by house studios. Here,
Sister Kashiba grand Rising, Happy Black Solidarity Day. You're only
professor mpm oh she's gone. I can see her name
on the screen eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six. If you wanted to get in
this conversation with Professor Mpinn Professor and PM, let's talk

(01:50:01):
about the Sudan. What's going on in Sudan? Is it
likewise what's going on in Nigeria.

Speaker 9 (01:50:07):
Well, you know, in Sudan it is the worst humanitarian
crisis in the world. Back in December of twenty eighteen,
the people rose up against Omar Bashir, the former dictator
and president who was in office for thirty years. And
it was a people's revolution. And I was actually there

(01:50:28):
in December of eighteen and January of twenty nineteen in
the middle of the people's revolution, and there were people
from all stations in life that were rising up and
to go after Bashir and to take him and his
government down. I didn't think at the time being there
that they were that organized enough to take down the

(01:50:50):
thirty year dictator. But they were the people, not the military.
But the people were very successful in April of twenty
nineteen to overthrow the govern And this was a people's
revolution from the grassroots. In fact, I even knew people
because it was so widespread. It was not hard to
know people in Khartoum, the capital city, who were part

(01:51:12):
of their resistance to the old time dictator, and so
when I left in twenty nineteen, I was very surprised
to learn that they were successful by April of that
same year. But this was supposed to be civilian rule.
But then there was a transitional government that came into power,
and the transitional government claimed that it was going to

(01:51:34):
turn over power to the people in the process, but
that never happened. The next thing we know, the transitional
government leader was under house arrests and the military in
twenty twenty one then took over and so that was
a betrayal of the revolution in Soudan, and then by

(01:51:55):
April fifteenth of twenty twenty three, a full out civil
war b work out between the military and the Rapid
Support Forces. The Rapid Support Forces were created by Bashir
to help protect him. But these are not Rapid Support
Forces or rs F, as people are always reporting on

(01:52:18):
r SF. These are are are the mad men and
genocidalists from the western part of Sudan, and the people
in Sudan called them the Gingueat. They don't call them
the rapid support forces. The Gingerweat is an Arabic term
which means devils on horseback. Devils on horseback and these

(01:52:43):
are killers. So they've been operating out of the eastern
part of Chad on the border with Sudan to to
launch attacks on the aft on the black African people
in the western part of Sudan. But when they they
went to war against the military and created this devastating

(01:53:05):
civil war in April of twenty twenty three. Then now
there's been millions of people displaced. And what they Ginguweat
are attempting to do, and they consider themselves to be Arabs.
These are Islamists. They promote Islam, they want jihad, they
want Sharia or the imposition of strict Islamic law according

(01:53:28):
to their interpretation and the Ginguweek they actually have as
a stated goal in Sudan to kill off the black Africans,
who they call Zurga in Arabic, it means blue. They're
referring to the super black skinned Africans. So Zerga is

(01:53:50):
like the just like calling somebody a dirty and then
the inward. This is how they see them. So they
the Gingerwheats, they consider themselves to be Arab, to be Arab. Now,
if you look at some of them Musa bellaw uh uh.

(01:54:12):
If you look at people like Musa allow, Yes, he
looks just like you know, a light skinned Arab person.
But then you have people among the Gingerweat.

Speaker 5 (01:54:25):
These are I mean in.

Speaker 9 (01:54:26):
Every physical aspect, these are Africoid people, but they identify
as being Arab. Some are mixed, some are very light
skinned Arabs, but they all consider themselves to be Arab,
no matter how black and their skin color, no matter
how they look as people with an African or black

(01:54:47):
African physical appearance or their pheno type is Africoid, it
doesn't matter. They identify as Gingerwee. And they have a
lot of young, ignorant and very ignorant. They don't don't read.
Their whole goal is to literally, as they stay, to
wipe out and kill kill off the Zurga. And so

(01:55:08):
these groups in the western part of Sudan are attacking
the mass elite and other indigenous Black Africans to kill
them off and take their land and then claim that
they were the original inhabitants. So these are our ignorant
folks that had had no land because the Arabs are

(01:55:30):
people who are the nomadic in origin. So their whole
goal is to literally kill off all the males and
then to kill some women, but also rape a number
of them so that the next generation, that the next
generation are also the Gingerweat. And this is their stated goal.

(01:55:52):
This is what they do. This is why there's no
problem for the gingerwek to kill off as many people
in a village that they can can that they can,
because that's what their goal is. But they've gone in
and just mastercre people in villages, in homes and hospitals.
So and this is happening in the western part of
the country. But the Gingerweak are killers. And when they

(01:56:17):
get caught, when they're in Khartoon, the capital city, more
in the central part of the country, the people don't
even ask questions about the Gingerweat and hold them as prisoners.
They killed them. They killed them, and you look at
a lot of them. You can see a lot of
video footage. A lot of them are very young. They

(01:56:38):
look just as African as anybody else. But they're ignorant
and they do not read They're very ignorant. They don't
read Arabic or any they don't read the Koran. They're
just told they So these people are given the smallest
amount of money as mercenaries to go fight and many
of them die and lose their life, but this is
in the interests of taking land and from the Africans.

(01:57:00):
As a matter of fact, this is a bigger issue
even before the war, because there are people that identify
as Arab that have lied and try to rewrite the
history of the region and say that they were the
original landowners and that the Nubians are the ones who
are modern, who came late and who are on their land.

(01:57:23):
So they actually are trying to rewrite the history of
the region. So when we look at the great Nubian
culture of ancient and modern times, these people say, no,
that's not reality at all, and that we are the
landowners and they are trying to take the land by
killing off people in that I have more than one

(01:57:45):
hundred and twenty people in my adopted family in Sudan
who have been displaced. They're in Egypt, they're in Saudi
Arabian now, they're in the UAE, they're in Germany, They're
in different places because of the millions of people that
have been displaced, and then so many other thousands that
have been killed by the Gingerwee. They're so ignorant, they

(01:58:08):
have no link to the distant past in Sudan. As
a matter of fact, these are the people who are
directly and deliberately destroying the ancient Cushite artifacts and ancient
Nubian artifacts. They've ransacked the National Museum in Khartom, so
we don't know what the extent of the damage is.
You can see damage to the building and there's some

(01:58:30):
videos here and there about what they've done inside. So
when they were accused of destroying so called mummies, destroying
African ancestors, they claim, oh no, it wasn't us, and
they showed some short video that didn't show one thing
or another to try to claim to know, we didn't
destroy or damage any actual people who are in the

(01:58:55):
museum as ancestors who have been mummified. But these people
are very ignorant. They don't really relate to the distant past,
but they do shoot off the rhetoric that they are
somehow indigenous when they're not. Who's supporting the Gingerweek? The
United Arab Emirates. Why are they supporting the Ginger Weeek
with weapons with secret shipments being sent in these these

(01:59:19):
shipments that are being flown in, these are not for
the refugees. This is not for people who need medical supplies.
These are weapons being shipped in. Why because the United
Arab Emirates, the UAE, they are extracting oil and gold,

(01:59:39):
so that that's so that's the trade off. We want
your resources. The Russians were part of this, extracting gold,
the UAE extracting gold, extracting oil in areas that the
gingerweak control. So why is it the worst humanitarian crisis?
Because it's not just taking the land. It is to
wipe out all all of the people in the area

(02:00:01):
and replace them with a new genetic stock. This is
not secret. They state this goal and this is why
the people call the call them Gingerwee. And they are
truly devils on horseback, and they're not the rapid.

Speaker 6 (02:00:14):
Support for us.

Speaker 9 (02:00:15):
And by the way, the people don't really support the
suiting these military. They don't support either group, but they
hate they literally hate the Gingerwee. Now they want the
military to defeat the Ginguwee. But as I mentioned earlier,
the military took over the People's revolution in twenty nineteen.

(02:00:35):
That culminated in the twenty eighteen with Sorry twenty nineteen
with the overthrow of the government. So that's what we're
dealing with today, is to take it in the land
and kill it the people and to try to genetically
replace the people that they derogatorily called the Zerga who
are nothing with black Africans.

Speaker 1 (02:00:53):
Hold that thought right there. We got to step aside
a fee and so we come back. It's just the
Kashiba's backs and asked a question for you, but explain,
is it Arabs against Africans? Because that's what I'm trying
to figure out, cipher what's going on with these different groups.
I'll let you explain that when we get back. Family,
you two can join our conversation with Professor may new Mpin.
Reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy sixty. We'll taket phone calls next

(02:01:16):
and Grand Rising family, thanks us starting your week with us.
Eighteen minutes away from the top of the hot with
our guest, the Professing May new Mpin. As I mentioned,
he teaches a contracrost the college in Northern California. Discussion
what's going on in Nigeria and also what's going on
in the Sedan.

Speaker 4 (02:01:29):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
You can hit us up at eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six before we go back
to Professor m. Pima, and'll just remind you. Coming up
later this week you hear from chemautologist Tony Browner, also
holistic healer Queen A. Foog is going to be with us,
and also civil Rights act Recht doctor Paul Smith, he
Maunch along with Andy Young and Martin Luther King as well.
So he's going to give us his thoughts about what's

(02:01:50):
going on this election week. Anyway, family, keep a note
of that and keep your radar tuned to ten ten
WLB if you are in Baltimore, if you're in the DMV.
Though around fourteen fifty l Professor mp as I mentioned
sister Kashiba had a questions. She's calling from Silver Springs.
She's online two grant rising, Sister Kashiba, you only, Professor MPa.

Speaker 12 (02:02:10):
Thank you, Carl, excellent show as usual. There are a
couple of points I want to mention here. I'm sorry
my phone dropped, so I have to circle back a
little bit. Regarding Nigeria. That president is a CIA asset.
I want you, you and your audience to study his background.

(02:02:33):
He has spent time in the US. Yes, he is
a CIA asset. Now, the US wants to control Nigeria,
especially since it borders on Oli, it borders on Burkina,
Fosso and nazir H. Those are our revolutionary brothers who

(02:02:54):
are trying to bring their country up. Now, it's the
way if they if they can occupy the northern part
of Nigeria, they can get right into the hill. So
one has to be very careful. And thanks again man
U and Pim for bringing this to light. All your

(02:03:15):
information is so important because the US does not cover
these points, especially the situation into Sudan. And I'm I'm
so unhappy about our black commentators, those who have websites
who hardly ever mentioned the Sudan. There's one person I

(02:03:36):
want to mention who's I think secretly hiding here in
the United States. His name is David Handilan. He's on
Trio black dot com. He was on he was interviewed
last week on Trio g R I L L B
L A c K dot com. He's a Nigerian. He

(02:04:00):
has a lot of information about the Nigerian country itself
and certainly the presidency. But thank you so much for
all the information that you're providing today. Nigeria, yes, is
in the bullseye and that president is very suspicious. Thank

(02:04:25):
you very much.

Speaker 4 (02:04:27):
All right, thank you, professor.

Speaker 9 (02:04:32):
Yeah, I appreciate the comments for sure. Yeah, we definitely
have to look at it in the regions. And because
the borders, as I'm permitting of the listeners know, the
borders or modern borders that are being created at the
Berlin Conference of eighteen eighty four eighteen eighty five, so
that it's an artificial map of the African country in

(02:04:52):
the African political states, and so one country is not
outulated by it. Tough, we have to look at at
not the borders in particular countries, but regions. This is
what Soci's completely right about how the US would like
to go after Betina far Soul, but it's not so
easy to do that. So the destabilize the country is

(02:05:14):
certainly a part of the agenda. In fact, and tifting
to the eastern part of the country. Sudan is in
the crisis, that is, that is in and it wouldn't
be as easy for the Islamists to try to take
over the land if it wasn't for them using Eastern
Chad as a launching pad and also it's important to

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know that the newest country in the world is South Sudan,
not Sudan, but South tou Dan. Through in twenty eleven,
the South Sudanese voted for independence and they broke off
from Sudan because Bashia wanted to impose Syria or Islamic law,
and the African said, no, that's not going to happen

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at all. So I spend time on a lot of
time in South Sudan and it's amazing to meet a
lot of the great people in the country. And the
large percentages of the folks are military or former military,
and so as a country, they have the great respect
for those that have fought for and maintain their independence.

(02:06:21):
This is important to know because again at the center of.

Speaker 6 (02:06:24):
This you have.

Speaker 9 (02:06:26):
Islamic chaos in the north. In fact, that people of Sudan,
who even the people that I trust and know very well,
they told me that not to go to South Sudan
because if I went to South Sutan, if I went
to the capital of Juba, that they would kill me.
They killed me for what what did I do? They
don't like us, they will kill us. So that they

(02:06:47):
said that it's impossible for main new incomes to go
to South Sudan or they will kill me. I said,
this doesn't make sense whether they killed someone just visiting
the country, but this is the kind of propaganda. And
by the way, the people in South so then they
they practice traditional African culture and and and uh and
and their religion is traditional. Many are Christians, but it's

(02:07:10):
not just Christians. For them is to maintain their independence.
This is why they support my the research so so
much because they know that I'm independently researching about the
ancient history of Kush and the modern groups that still
practice the old cultural rituals from course and speak a
Christritic language. So we do have to look at multiple

(02:07:33):
countries in the same region to understand what the agenda
is of the US and what the agenda is of
some of the groups that have a a political agenda
that may have some religious propagandam mixed in it. But
it's not just religion and it never will just be that,
but it's economic. It's also political as well, So having

(02:07:53):
a regional view is very important and thrill bract for
thorough Black brother out of the UK. I've been a
guest on this program. He focuses a lot on African
civilizations as well, so people can look at his YouTube
channel and see the work that he's doing. So I
have no doubt. I didn't see the interview that the
sisters referring to, but I have no doubt that the

(02:08:15):
brother is with us for us, and so if he
has guests on, I'm sure he has vetted them to
make sure that he's providing the best information to the community.

Speaker 1 (02:08:26):
All right, ten away from the top, and my question
is he just basically you go Are you still there?

Speaker 12 (02:08:31):
I'm sorry, go ahead, yeah, could I just want to
say one thing. The Arab and the Europeans have done
the most damage to the African continent and we need
to be aware of that. Crying over all these Arabs
and their problems is not what we should be doing.
We need to be focusing on Africa, our motherland Palestine. Yes,

(02:08:55):
I'm sorry that things are happening over there, but the
Arab and the European have ought so much horror to
our motherland.

Speaker 9 (02:09:04):
Thank you, all right, and that's the question.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
I'm glad you mentioned that. This is a question I
was going to ask a professor on PIMP. Is it
just basically Arabs versus Africans in that region and also
in northern Nigeria.

Speaker 9 (02:09:15):
Okay, you know this is a great question. And when
I first visited to Dan in two thousand and seven,
I was there because I heard about the Marrowway Dam,
this big damn project that was near completion, and I
went in two thousand and seven so I can record
and document what I could in the Marrolway damn area,

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this is in the northern part of Sudan near the
Fourth Cataract, because I understood it was one of the
greatest archaeological regions in the world. And the dam actually
displaced fifty to seventy thousand people and flooded and destroyed
twenty five hundred previously unknown ancient Kushite archaeological sites. And

(02:10:04):
so but when I when I first went, I had
been hearing about an Arab African conflict, and I was
puzzled because I spent a lot of time in the country,
and I continued to go back with my colleague and
his family's adopted me and I've adopted his family. But
he kept talking about the Arabs, and as we traveled

(02:10:25):
around to these various locations, I couldn't find the Arabs.
I was looking for an Arab that looks like Omar Shariff,
the famous actor, or Zahi ha was the Indiana Jones,
the type guy, you know, the light skinned Arab that
we see a lot of the listeners have gone to
kim It. That's what I was looking for, and I

(02:10:46):
didn't see him. So then I finally recognized that when
my colleague and others were talking about Arab they didn't
mean the physical appearance of Arabs. They meant and I
finally figured this out. They meant Arab in the same
way that many people in the culture community will say
that somebody's a Negro. So when they say somebody is

(02:11:08):
a Negro, they mean his mentality. They mean her mentality
the way they think. They're not talking about their ethnicity,
their race. They're talking about how they think and see things.
So when people are saying Arab, this is what they mean.
They mean that this person has a mentality of an Arab.
And some of these people in Sudan, they will make

(02:11:28):
up a fake background, a fake family history, of fake
pedigree in order to get Brownie point that they are
an Arab. Yes we know that you speak Arabic, Yes
we know that you practice Islam, but you're a damn lie.
You're a damn lie. Your family is not Arabic by bloodline,
but it's not Arab by blood line. But some of

(02:11:49):
them make this up, including Omar Bahshir, the former president
and dictators. His mother is from Dongola. They're in Sudan,
clearly black African, but he's claiming Arab descent for because
the British set this up. The British are the ones
when they colonized the area in Egypt and then they
were looking to control Sudan. They made Cartoon the capital,

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and then they elevated anybody through governance and high status
if they took on the Arab identity. Just like people
here could relate to anybody that was light skin and
white skin enough in this country that were passing so
that they could be a part of white society. Well
in Sudan, for someone to be of prominence, they thought

(02:12:32):
that they had to identify as Arab. So that's what
people typically mean. But then it wasn't until later I
started to look more deeply into this Arab thing, and
some like most of allow and others, these are Arab types,
no question whatsoever. And what Bashir was doing was giving
away land after displacing people because of dams and the

(02:12:57):
war against them, and displacing people through replaced them literally
with Arabs who had never been there before. They have
no lineage, no connection to the country, but then coming
in taking land so that they can become farmers and
then pretend like they had been the indigenous people all along.
This is why the most the Nubian brothers and sisters,

(02:13:20):
they don't trust them. They know what's happening and they
know what's going on, and this is why they protected
defend their history inheritance, not only against the likes of
Omar Baishir who would build dams, lying saying that this
was to create hydro electricity to help the local people.
Not at all. The dams hydro electric dams like the
Merriway Dam and others, were to generate energy for the

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purpose of generating money to export the energy, because the
local people were never part of of any of these
projects in terms of conceiving them, agreeing to them, working
on them, or even benefiting from them, for example the monaster.
These are indigenous Africans there in Sudan. They were protesting

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because when the Merraway Dam displaced them, and I was
among the monaster I know exactly what happened with them.
But they were protesting because they never received any compensation,
never received any money, no Suitingese pounds, nothing for being
displaced from the land. So this was all a lie
for Basher and its cronies to simply make money. And besides,

(02:14:29):
the area is in a desert. You can create energy
from solar or wind, turbine or what's even very common
in the world of generating energy is micro hydro. How
Come these methods of generating energy are not used because
they're not as lucrative as the hydro electric dams. Regardless

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of hownting people are displaced. That was their method. So
the Arab, the so called Arab people, should un they're
not Arab, most of them, many of them, in fact,
most of them are not most for sure. They're not
Arab by phenotype or physical appearance. They're Arab by mentality.

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And this is why it's it's confused a lot of times. Yes,
you do have now Arabs that have been brought in
to steal the land, but this is not the largest
number of them. These are black folks who are ignorant,
they're dumb, they don't read well. Professor many knew.

Speaker 5 (02:15:34):
How do you know?

Speaker 9 (02:15:35):
You could see all of them Gingerweat who are captured
and killed. These are Take a look at them. Any
reasonable person can see that these are black folks who
are ignorant, who are dumb, who are poor, who identify
with these killers such as the Gingerweat, to kill off
the Africans that they want to steal the land from

(02:15:56):
and impose Islam. It's not going to happen. People are
all Africans have demonstrated one thing. They're not going to
allow anyone to impose their religious dogma on them. And
one of the things that we can say is a
great contribution by Africans is that indigenous Africans, original Africans,
the small stature of Africans, who are the Imbhuti, the Ephe,

(02:16:20):
the son, the Aka, the Baca, those that are four
foot eight, four foot ten. We don't want to call
them pigmies, because that's the European derogatory description, but they've
never fought any wars period, and Africans don't fight wars.
Indigenous Africans with indigenous values, indigenous practices don't fight wars

(02:16:40):
over ideology and religion. Nope, that's the Christians, the Muslims
and Jews they are those are the ones that fight
over dogma and religious doctrine. That's not a part of
the show.

Speaker 1 (02:16:52):
The Professor we that step aside for a few moments.
When come back, I'll let you finish you thought in
April and Baltimore. Once you join the discussion family, you
two can get in on this conversation. Reach out to
us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six.
I mus you're gonna step aside so our stations can
identify themselves down the line. We're back with their phone
calls and Professor ampin next and Grand Rising family, thanks

(02:17:12):
for starting your week with us, and I guess Professor
many New and Pinn from Contra Costa College out in
northern California giving us an update or some background on
what's going on in northern Nigeria. Also, the Sudan, I
think it's just called Sudan right now. They used to
like the Sedan like the Bronx. It's just just Sudan
right now.

Speaker 4 (02:17:29):
I think they change that.

Speaker 1 (02:17:30):
But anyway, what are your thoughts eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six. I mentioned before we
left in April's waiting for us in Baltimore Online three
wants to join the discussion Grand Rising in April on
with Professor MPa.

Speaker 13 (02:17:44):
Then how are you today? Just wanted to return to
a part of the discussion around Nigeria and Sudan and
call Sudan. I think one of the things that people
need to think about is the oil and the fact
that oil might be factor in all of the saber
rat wing associated with the United States. Nigeria is one

(02:18:05):
of the top produces in the world of oil, and
Dan and South Sudan are both part of a new
alliance called Apex Plus. It was developed to rival Opex
also in oil production. And I think this is something
that we have to consider that when our president is

(02:18:27):
making pre textual threats against Venezuela, Canada, China, Nigeria, Brazil,
other countries in the global South, that there is a
usual monetary purpose behind them, and I would miss this
to it.

Speaker 6 (02:18:42):
Will all right?

Speaker 4 (02:18:46):
Thank you, April, Professor MPIM you want to respond to anything.

Speaker 9 (02:18:48):
She said, Yeah, Well, she's right. In Sudan, however, it's
important to know that before uh the most recent conflict,
there was literally a gold rush. So when we were
traveling my colleagues and I'm into remote areas in Sudan

(02:19:12):
going to remote archaeological sites, we would be driving in
the desert. There's no asphalt, no road. I mean, it's
just desert or just untold number of kilometers or miles,
and then all of a sudden you see some lights
or and it always looks like a village or town,

(02:19:34):
but when you get close, this is a mining operation.
So the area is known for gold. So like even
the root word or the etymology of the word Nubia,
history of the word Nubia, nub or nob means gold.
So it's always considered the land of gold. And there
was a gold rush. In fact, on one of my colleagues,

(02:19:56):
he was trying to convince me to go in on
some equipment to help mine for gold because rumors were
out that there was a gold rush and people were
striking it rich. And I told them, I said, look,
I'm in California and there was a major gold rush
here in gold was discovered in eighteen forty eight, but
the rush started in eighteen forty nine, and it was
more stories of people striking it rich than reality. So

(02:20:21):
a lot of the people that migrated to California to
strike it rich ended up remaining here because they never
found any gold and had to end up staying. But nevertheless,
it's been a gold production and gold distribution reasion for
a while and that is the main thing. Yes, there's oil,
but the main thing that the non Arab Emirates and

(02:20:41):
Russia have been concerned about is extracting and stealing the gold,
and that has been the number one commodity, and of
course oil was there, but the bottom line is natural
resources that they're after and doesn't mind. It doesn't matter
to these criminals that villagers and people are being slaughtered.

(02:21:01):
That's not their issue. Their issue is to continue to
bring in tons of money. And Sudan is one of
those regions where gold in antiquity and gold today, it's
still been something that's attracted people to the area. And
when you look at the ancient art, what were people trading.
They're trading in gold, and a lot of times I'll

(02:21:23):
point out to folks, so you take a look at
some of those beautiful images. Not only are the images
of these Africans beautiful, but look at what they're trading.
And one of the things is that you'll see rings
of gold, and anytime you see three, it's plural. So
a lot of times with the ancient art going back
thousands of Yere's, you'll see not only three rings of gold,
but three and another three to indicate literally tons of

(02:21:44):
gold being traded in the area. And this is what
attracts these criminals who are investing in the war in
places like Sudan.

Speaker 1 (02:21:54):
Gotcha six after the top of our brother and Cosey's
checking in from Chicago. He's online too, Grant Brothers, Grand Rising.

Speaker 5 (02:22:04):
And Jumbo my brothers. Professor m. Pim, you're one of
my favorite people on this line. I took the heart
what you said about etymology. I was big on it already,
but I explored new depths with your encouragement. From what
you just said about the ginger viv or ginger vites

(02:22:28):
or whatever they are, I derived that this is a
continuation of the invasion by the Hiksos described by Doctor
Chancellor Williams in the Destruction of our Civilization that invaded
the north part of Africa and took it over. That's
why we have places like Egypt now and the Gingervites

(02:22:52):
and United Arab Emirates and Cut are all parts of
the same movement extended into the future.

Speaker 3 (02:23:00):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:23:01):
I agree with the sister about the oil. UH. China
has recently had restrictions and probably still are continueing them
on rare earth minerals UH being exported to the United States,
which I used for military reasons. H Apple hand bombs.

(02:23:23):
UH everything down to a telephone. And I think I
remember reading about a lot of rare earth minerals being
untapped around the areas of Nigeria and Sudan. If this
is true, with would this be another reason why uh?
The Arab United Arab Emirated and Cut and all of them,

(02:23:47):
UH and everybody else is trying to take over their land.

Speaker 9 (02:23:59):
But they brother and cosey. Yeah, taking over land is
definitely a fundamental goal because by origin, Arab means desert dweller,
literally desert dweller. So these are lot of people of
settled areas if you go back far enough, and so

(02:24:20):
coming in to take over viable land for farming and production.
This has been something that's been happening for quite some time.
So yes, a lot of the folks or groups in
that region have been a part of that. So the
Hickshos are really a not so well known group. But

(02:24:41):
we certainly know about the Assyrians. The Assyrians from current
day Iraq. They were one of the invading groups that
came in and very brutal, very brutal culture where you
see them for sport just killing lions. You can see
this very clearly in their own art. I mean, who
does that just to kill off lions? And for it

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is a blood sport, a spectator sport, a blood sport.
And after killing the lions through torture similar to bull fighting,
then they would dedicate the killed and tortured lion to
their deities. But these are the people that Africans had
to fight off in the northeast African region, the Assyrians,
and then the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, and now
you have the modern invaders. That the Arabs are not

(02:25:25):
bringing Islam into the seventh century of the Common Era,
so this was thousands, you know, over a thousand years later,
but they certainly have brought a lot of havoc. And
now let's also say this, and you mentioned a great doctor,
Chancell Williams, who did research in twenty six countries and
among one hundred and five different African language groups in

(02:25:47):
the nineteen fifties. One of the things that chance To
Williams points out is that there is too much division
and tribalism among Africans internally. It has nothing to do
with anybody else, and so this is also part of
the issue. So one of the things that keeps the
group uniting internally among themselves and keeps their culture stable

(02:26:09):
over generations and century and millennias, over thousands of years
is their internal unity. But they're so fixated on their
own groups that that brings them sometimes in conflict with
other groups. I see it all the time when I travel.
I see it when I travel in South Sudan. There's
nothing to do with outsiders. I see it when I
travel in Ethiopia, has nothing to do with outsiders. So

(02:26:32):
on the one hand, the internal unity is great. It
allows for the culture to continue over long periods of time.
African stability is a result of that. But then it
also brings them in conflict with other groups. And then
if you add the outsiders who have an agenda to
extract and steel resources, then it complicates the situation. Where

(02:26:55):
what we now see today you have the kind of
conflict that continues because you have the outside groups coming
to take land and then you have the international criminals
that are helping to aid and fund this. So so
thank you for that point, my brother. But certainly we
have to be aware of the historical background. Is also
the contemporary issues because Africa has some hotspots that don't

(02:27:21):
get covered in the regular media.

Speaker 3 (02:27:25):
Too.

Speaker 4 (02:27:25):
John Natter, thank you and Cozy twelve af the Top.

Speaker 1 (02:27:30):
Yeah, with our guests Professor Manu and Pen discussion what's
going on in Nigeria, Northern Nigeria and so Dan you
can reach us an eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six. Reggis in Maryland. He wants
to get join the discussion. He's online three Grand Rising, Reggie,
you're on my professor Impen.

Speaker 14 (02:27:47):
Grand Rising, brother Quasi and to the guests, uh and
happy birthday to Colin Kaepernick today, Sir, I'm still doing
a lot of research on this, trying to follow behind
these criminals. So I want to make a comment and
can you fill in the blanks. There was two CI

(02:28:10):
agents caught in Trinidad trying to sink American ship that
they had close there to be able to strike Venezuela
to steal an oil. That's what it's about. And those
two CI agents were caught in by the authorities and

(02:28:33):
they admitted to sinking the ship and they were going
to blame it on America. They were going to blame
it on the Venezuela's as a reason to go in.
That's number one. The CIA puppet leader of Nigeria that
was put in place by America. He's not willing to

(02:28:55):
go along and saying it's a lie that Christians are
being killed in Nigerias so they can go in and
take the oil there. So between those two what I
just talked about, could you fill in the blanks of
what just happened.

Speaker 9 (02:29:14):
Okay, Yeah, So with Venezuela, Hugo Chavez was somebody that
was elected by the people and the the indigenous people
in every independent organization in the world said there were
free and fair elections. But Hugo Chavez was on the

(02:29:37):
US enemy list because of the fact that he was
not going to give up the oil and let the
government exploit the oil. So the the United States government
literally because when after he took power at the end
of last century. About two decades ago, they started calling

(02:29:57):
him a dictator and called for him. It's not just Oulster,
but for his assassination publicly. The issue is that, well,
these are free and fair elections. Doesn't matter what someone
else thinks about it. These were open elections and he
got more of the popular voting than any US president
has in decades and decades. So it was to villainize

(02:30:18):
Chavez and his government in the fact that he was
using the resources to help the people, and that's been
pretty well documented. The man was elected not once but
even twice. But you know, the issue is there's no
evidence that there's any particular targeting of any one group
in Nigeria. So that country has certainly had problems as

(02:30:39):
other countries have, and so why are they now trying
to pinpoint a specific group is not accurate. There are
people who are of different Muslim divisions that are also
the target of vocal haram and insurgency groups. You always
have insurgency groups when there is instability or perceive instability

(02:31:02):
in any government. So we have, you know, these destabilization
of leadership in these different countries, whether it's Venezuela or
Nigeria or other countries that we should be aware of.
And what I do I read alternative media. It's very important.
I mean, what does the international media say. Matter of fact,

(02:31:23):
even as Bias says the BBC, the British Broadcasting Corporation
is in its light years ahead of seeing IT and
other legacy networks. But these legacy networks has lost a
large percentage of its viewership because people know that they're
full of it and they recognize it was full of
it with the last election because they knew that there

(02:31:44):
was no way that Kamalin Harris had any real chance
to win. But they continue to milk the donors and
lie so that they can give all of those millions,
thinking that their money would make a difference and it didn't.
So anyway, you know, looking at international those sources is
really important. That's what I do on a regular basis
if I'm not traveling directly to those countries. But if

(02:32:07):
we look specifically at Africa, you know, it's really important
that we look at As we said earlier, regional issues
in Nigeria is just one of those places that concerns
the US. But what about the Alliance of Saihel states,
This is what they're mainly concerned about. But they can't
get at for Kena Farsoul because they know that there
would be massive resistance. In fact, the Alliance of Saihels

(02:32:30):
States Mali for Kina Farsaul Niger, they have a mutual
defense pack, so it's not so easy for the US
just to go in there directly. So they're looking at
regional instability, and even if they have puppets, it's still
not going to be that easy. It will never be
that easy to just go in and take what they
want because you know, unless they have to go in

(02:32:54):
with boots on the ground. So let's see what happens.
But I do know that this recent series of tweets
by this guy in dc UH and being supported by
media sources or something that we definitely we definitely should
look at. But clearly West Africa is ready and this
is why they formed a new alliance because ECHOAS and
some of the other bodies, even the African Union, they

(02:33:16):
don't do any back from the African Union having taken
a position. A lot of things that are happening because
there's a weak and ineffective you know right there, we got.

Speaker 1 (02:33:25):
To take a short break here eighteen minutes. At the
top of that, thank you for your call, Reggie eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixth are
discussing what's going on in NIGERA, what's going on in Sudan?
What are your thoughts? Reach out to us and we
take your phone calls. Next for for the seven main
new MPM and Grand Rising family, thanks to staying with
us on this Monday morning here the first Monday in November.
I guess it's a professor main New mpment teachers a

(02:33:47):
contract cost the college in Northern California discussing what's going
on in Nigeria Northern night yea to be exact, and
also what's going on in Sudan? What are your thoughts?
Eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six? First,
I MT you fel should thought that where tweet? I
wanted to know if you could give us a brief
history of what is an Arab? Where did they come from?

Speaker 5 (02:34:08):
Okay?

Speaker 9 (02:34:09):
So just the last thought with the with the brother's
question is that we have to look at several factors
with a lot of the interests that the US have
as they're promoting UH destabilizing different areas in different countries,
that there's there's there's economic issues, there's ideological issues and interests,
and there's also foreign interest and there's not just one thing.

(02:34:31):
And we have to look at at these UH at
these different sources and really be as diverse as possible
when looking at where do we get our information UH
from Thudan for example, A lot of the information from
my own personal experience. But one of the CNN journalists
who was from Sudan, Niba Elberger, they did a secret

(02:34:51):
investigation with hidden cameras and and over a year or
so ago to go into the network of what was
happening with the gingerweat and the lies that were being
told by the UAE. So this is our we're able
to see exactly what their goal is, even though they've
stated the goal to kill off Africans, but exactly how
they're going about getting in the weapons. So the Arabs,

(02:35:15):
they are promoting Islam, and there's nothing wrong with Islam.
I know people who are Muslims that you wouldn't even
know they're Muslims unless you saw the way they pray
or something like that. But they are as balanced as
anybody but then you have a lot of people who
are extremists. There's Christian extremists, Jewish extremists, but these Islamic extremists,

(02:35:39):
a lot of them. These are just die hard, just
propagandists who are not going to think for themselves. They
are afraid to even question anything in the Quran. That
they're not to question it because then they might start doubting.
So they're taught to conform a conform in totality. So

(02:36:03):
when the Arabs in the seventh century of the Common Era,
around six forty or so of the Common Era, so
called AD, we don't use AD anymore because that means
Anti Domini in the year of our Lord. And for
the last couple of decades, historians don't use any things
like that that would refer to a particular religion because

(02:36:24):
most people in the world are not Christians, so we
tell the history of the world in a more neutral way.
So instead of Anti Domini or AD, we use Common
Era because there's different calendars by different groups around the world,
and they don't subscribe to the Christian calendar. But anyway,
the Arabs come in in six' forty or The Common,
era they come in To, kimmic and not Just, kimmic

(02:36:46):
but they spread throughout The North african. Area and they're
not just coming, in they're coming in as. Invaders they're
coming in spreading their, culture their, language and definitely their.
Religion and so this was not people coming in under
kind and friendly, terms but under terms of aggression and

(02:37:07):
warfare and imposition of their cultural. Ideas and this is
what we found now is that with that, happening now
you have conflict over ideas and. Religion this has never
been the case in Traditional africa at. All if there was,
conflict it's over border, disputes you, know because people have
cattle In East, africa for, example and the cattle needs

(02:37:28):
a lot of land to. Graze but they don't fight over.
Ideas but now with the imposition Of, islam this is
certainly the. Case so The, arabs they are by deaf by,
origin they are desert dwellers that come from the. East
they don't have settled agricultural, lands so these are desert.

(02:37:49):
Dwellers that's what An arab's origin. Is and these desert
dwellers start to move in from The east and to
confiscate a takeover land and great conflict because Obviously africans
and no one else is just going to give up
their land to some foreign. Group so in that, area,
now whether it's In egypt Or, sudan you know they're

(02:38:12):
mainly most of the There's christians In, egypt but more
of them are Are muslim people In sudan most Of.
Muslim and you look across From Algeria, morocco these are
people that have lineage to Those arab groups that come
in at the in the seventh century of The Common,
era and they also went Into West africa as well

(02:38:35):
and started to convert the. Leadership so The Great kingdoms Of, Ghana, Mali,
song the early early civilization Of, ghana these were leaders
that were still connected through their traditional. Culture In mali
people were the leaders were converting To, islam even though
they were still connected to Traditional african spiritual. Systems but

(02:38:56):
the leadership was. Changing and then by the time Of
songhai in the fourteen hundreds and fifteen, hundreds they more
and more had converted To. Islam but it's not Just
islam causing. Problems the same thing With. Christianity many people
are familiar with Genoah chebe and his Book Themes Fall

(02:39:17):
apart all of us said in the historically black. COLLEGES
i was At Morgan State. University we all had to
read things fall apart and at least one of Our english,
classes and he perfectly lays out how the foreigners they
bring In christianity and eventually convert the entire. Society but
that was not without. Conflict so we have these groups

(02:39:38):
coming in to convert and change and destroy if people don't.
Agree and by the, way this still continues today because
When i'm in remote, AREAS i mean very remote areas
Of ethiopia AS i do my field research in the,
region like in The Omo valley and the southern part Of,
ethiopia there are group and also the northern part Of

(02:40:00):
kenya there are also these groups like The Joshua project
and other outrageous. Groups they're going in some of the
same communities not to help preserve the cultural traditions and
support the. People know The Joshua project is in there
to convert them and make Them, christians and that is
their stated. Goal so outsiders are bringing in religion that

(02:40:23):
is simply extreme ideology that does not help the. People
it rids them of their cultural tradition and they are
no better off than after these groups come, In so
they're not helping them in any kind of, way but
they certainly are spreading their propaganda and anybody that resists
that imposition against their traditional, culture then this creates the.

(02:40:44):
Conflict and of course you have a lot of resources
in those. Regions so this is when outside foreign interests
come into, play when they can see how to exploit
the region for the resources and if that requires continuing,
conflict groups are, divided and that's exactly what they will.
Do and that's what we see in the areas that

(02:41:04):
we're talking about, today whether It's nigeria on the west
coast Or sudan in the eastern. Area so this is
part of what we have to look at in our
analysis of current Day.

Speaker 1 (02:41:14):
Africa, Gotcha i've got a bunch of folks want to
talk to, You PROFESSOR mpm at thirty minutes after the
top of our, family we're discussing what's going on In
nigeria And northern Night era' to be, exact and also
The sudan eight four five zero seventy eight seventy Six
allen's callings From San diego's online Four Grand. Rising, Allen
you're on with PROFESSOR Mpm.

Speaker 9 (02:41:34):
Hi how you?

Speaker 3 (02:41:34):
Doing how you?

Speaker 15 (02:41:35):
Doing a professor and Mister, nelson, LISTEN i have a
comment AND i have a. QUESTION i remember about twenty
five years, AGO i heard that around The sudan area
they had like an issue with, slavery, okay UNTIL i
was watching the show that was ON cnbc with this

(02:41:58):
Is phil Down hill And Volam posner pointing out that
the issue wasn't, slavery but it was oil because he,
said look at those to Dan is To Saudi. Arabia he,
said they're trying to get that. Oil that's what they
started trying to. Do and they were so right about.
That and another thing, too is that that damn that you.

(02:42:19):
MENTIONED i saw that video about the dam that they,
made and that dam is submerging a lot of history
of The nubians and now it's hard to get to
those those ancient ruins now because of the water that's down.
There but also, too and this is the, QUESTION i

(02:42:42):
know this, man he's From West, Africa West african, country
and he was showing me a video of them decapitating
people From, cameroon and this is about ten twelve years,
ago and he was saying that they have. Killed these
are other black. People now they were. Killing they killed

(02:43:05):
about about six hundred Thousands Cameroonians uh down there AND
uh AND i was, ASKING i, said, well how come
you don't show, This, uh there's this video and he
said that he will get in, trouble you. Know SO
i just want to know if you heard anything about,
that and also to that that what you but also
to agree with about what's going on In. Sadan But,

(02:43:27):
uh and that come to In. Sadan you have north
North North sudan in Southern sadan because The Northern sadan
IS uh is taking her that they took over by
this Racist arab guy From Saudi. Arabia SO i said
back and, listen all.

Speaker 9 (02:43:43):
Right Thanks, allen, Professor, okay, YEAH i appreciate uh the.
Comments and well In, sudan if we look at if
you look At, sudan then, yeah there's definitely all going
conflict Between sudan and the newest country that broke, away
which Is South. Sudan they broke away and formed their

(02:44:06):
own country in twenty. Eleven there was definitely. Slavery there
was definitely slavery that was being denied by some of The.
Muslims in our own. Community they were denying the obvious.
Reality they were even denying that dams are being. Built
AND i have photos and videos WHEN i was, there
the document that of course dams are being built and people.

(02:44:29):
Displaced but people were openly lying about that and openly
lying about that there was no. Slavery but they were
these folks in the Current sudan and they were, enslaving
literally Enslaving, africans Killing africans in the four area in the,
west and Also africans to the. South about two years,

(02:44:50):
ago for, EXAMPLE i was In South, sudan and because
of my field work on ancient kush and the modern
groups that still practiced the Ancient cushitic rituals and ceremonies
and cultural, LIFEWAYS i met with eleven, chiefs Eleven dinka.
Chiefs and WHEN i met with these chiefs In, jubi

(02:45:14):
the capitalist was. Historic no one had ever gathered together
that many legitimate, chiefs and so we. Met and one
of the things that these chiefs, said which WERE i
was trying to feel why were they saying, This but
one of the things that they emphasized is that we're
not just. Slaves and a couple of the chiefs had mentioned,

(02:45:36):
this and THEN i. Recognized THEN i, remember, okay, well
they're talking about the old, days and people still see The,
dinka who as a group are the tallest people in the,
world they still see them as nothing but slaves or
descendants of. Slaves because slavery was as a big issue
in student up until around two thousand and. FIVE i

(02:45:57):
told the transporter would tell the chiefs THAT i hear.
Them in, fact we black folks in THE us are
not simply descendants of. SLAVES i respect the, ancestors but
you can't start your history in slavery because as the
Great kwameteruria would always tell, us if you start your
history as, slavery the best you can be is a good.
Slave SO i told the trance to tell the chiefs
that we're not just slaves in THE us. Either so

(02:46:19):
we have that in, common that our history or, culture
our value is much larger than.

Speaker 3 (02:46:24):
That so we have that in.

Speaker 9 (02:46:25):
Common but some groups were certainly denying slavery In sudan
because of the fact that they were the ones who
were either Protecting, islam which is, absurd or the. Beneficiaries
and there's many, videos there's many, people many groups that
actually went in To sudan to quote unquote buy and
Enslaved africans in order to document exactly how they're treated

(02:46:47):
and how they are in fact in slave victims to.
Show so this was pretty well. Documented but, anyway but
that's How africans looked at, it and they still looked
at like that today By eric foreigners who were really
called them blue black or. Zurga it's totally, disrespectful but
this is how they present. Them And i'm SAY i

(02:47:09):
lost another part of your. Point but the bottom line
is that we should look into this and certainly in
different parts of the. Continent you can find problems In
cameroons in other. Areas, Yes i'm not surprised because in
The French west Area West africa, area a lot of
brutality took. Place The french were brutal when they Created
French West africa after this Infamous berlin conference in eighteen

(02:47:34):
eighty four eighteen eighty. Five so a lot of The
french areas you see atrocities That french helped. Create and
this is why you Have Berquino faso in other Countries
Beijir mali that are rising up in that same region
to kick out The french foreigners And french, Troup french
interests in order to get back to a stable environment

(02:47:55):
and get back To africa of the past when we
were at the apex of. Humanity SO i would never
be surprised at any of these kind of atrocities with
the different factors that we've been discussing outside economic, influence religious,
influence and foreign interests coming in causing outrageous. Chaos and
you Got africans that have lost their their, mind as

(02:48:17):
they are no different than any other slaughterers or. Killers
they just happened, to you, know to have black skin and,
africanheritance but the mentality is not any. DIFFERENT i would
say THIS i have heard in the remote areas In
ethiopia WHEN i go to these areas like among The,
console for, example in The Oma valley, region one of

(02:48:39):
the guys was telling me when he was really, young Brother.
Danote he's passed, now but Brother danote a few years
ago was telling me that he was young he had
Heard oh, no, sorry he didn't.

Speaker 6 (02:48:49):
Hear he.

Speaker 9 (02:48:49):
Saw he actually saw.

Speaker 3 (02:48:51):
That it was.

Speaker 9 (02:48:53):
Said there was no. Court it was said that some
one of the guys in The console village had assaulted
a woman and he was buried, alive so so you
do have justice in that. Way in, fact The dinker
chiefs told me very directly in various situations that they
don't play that if someone wants to violate their traditional,

(02:49:15):
ways then they will be. Killed and that's the bottom.
Line so you, know what was the context of this
is WHAT i would be. Asking but it's not the
doubt that it didn't. Happen but, sometimes you, know you
have to protect your. Community and The dinker, said you
know what if some young man comes in and violates
the ethics and morality and values and want to have

(02:49:36):
secret relations with secret relations with the young girl by
sneaking into the village and sneaking into the, compound If
cokey will be. Killed. Period that's. It that's the end
of it.

Speaker 3 (02:49:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:49:48):
There professor got to step aside for a few moments
to finish your. Thought when you come, back still got
a bunch of folks got questions for, you so you
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question or your comment From professor Am Pint.

Speaker 10 (02:50:52):
Yes, sir blessed love. FAMILY i love the theme of
this station where information is, power AND i love the
doctor who shares information with this UH i like.

Speaker 3 (02:51:01):
It AXT a couple of.

Speaker 10 (02:51:02):
Things, one how you talk about Regional how is the
battle difficulty In sudan Affecting South?

Speaker 3 (02:51:10):
Sudan and in.

Speaker 10 (02:51:11):
Terms of information is the term that we use quite
often Anti? Semitic can you talk about? Who what Anti semitic?
Is who are The semitic? People and the last one
is we talk About Pan africanism and most people think
of that as the continent Of. Africa should we think
of ourselves more as a Global african people who are.

Speaker 3 (02:51:33):
All over this?

Speaker 9 (02:51:34):
World, okay thank you, BROTHER i appreciate it. Well the
first is that the conflict In sudan is not really
Affecting South. Sudan South sudan has his own problems With
dinka and. Thewar the two largest group In South groups
And South. Sudan you, know they're they're distant, cousins but

(02:51:57):
they've had ongoing different is in conflict even though they're.
Related but what's happening In South sudani is really not
affected by what's happening In. Sudan keep in mind And
South sudan broke away From sudan and and those relations
haven't really. JAILED i mean there's been overthrowed The sudanese

(02:52:17):
government and and so, anyway but it doesn't directly affect
it at. All this term Anti semitic is. PROPAGANDA i,
mean The arabs Are, semitics so how can they be
how can they be Anti? Semitic you, know The semites
are supposed to be a group that's kind of. Mixed,
really it means a mixed group mixed mainly Between african And.

(02:52:39):
European they're in What Sei Kanta diaz would call a
zone of, confluence where there's a mixture of culture and.
People but this Anti, semitic as you probably, know is
just raised all the time so that nobody can criticize
The zionists In israel come in to kill people and
take their. Land plus they're not the ancient people there.

(02:53:01):
Anyway these people have come in long after the culture
and the region has been. Established so it's just propaganda
to say at, least, yes of, course we're global. People
it's difficult on The african continent because you have groups
that are link to their own group and they don't
see regional unity too. Often so when we look at

(02:53:21):
the alliance Of Sihl states With mali this year And Bekinna,
farsoul this was a great. Model but generally in these
different countries there are, differences and these differences keeps groups.
DIVIDED i see it all the. Time In. Ethiopia there's
conflict that you may not even know. About but When
i'm traveling in certain areas THAT i can't go, to

(02:53:44):
OR i certainly can't take the group even IF i,
went because these are conflict, areas AND i know some
of the people involved in these. Areas and this is
not just, religious it's ethnic differences In ethiopia and in
other places THAT i Mentioned South, sudance these are things
that we should be aware.

Speaker 5 (02:54:00):
Of.

Speaker 6 (02:54:02):
All.

Speaker 4 (02:54:02):
Right and they talked About Pan. Africanism did you cover, That,
oh you.

Speaker 9 (02:54:07):
Know certainly that that should be that should be no. Negotiable,
yeah that should be non negotiable Pan africanism, worldwide for.
Sure we always talk About garvey And. Garbyism we look
at the growth Of Pan, africanism whether it's the voice
or the re emergence Of Pan africanism in the sixties and.

(02:54:28):
Seventies so we have to keep that in the forefront as,
well to say the, least because what affects one of
us affects all of. Us So Pan africanism should be
the main focus of any of us who are concerned
about our, welfare whether it's here in THE, us The african,
continent or anywhere. Else so this is a fundamental ideological

(02:54:48):
position that people should take if they want to Bring
africa And african people together back together and help us
rise up to the apex position that we were in
in the past when we were making a major impact
to bring the world to a whole other level of.
Development ah say.

Speaker 1 (02:55:07):
That thirteen away from the top, Day let's go To
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Speaker 16 (02:55:13):
Pim grand rising to both of, you and thank you so,
much professor for all that you have been saying in
reference to The. JUAJUIN i know you shared earlier your
thoughts that the, weapons the high tech weapons that The
arabs are supplying The juajuins are coming Through, china even

(02:55:36):
Though china is there in all different areas as, humanitarians
they have ulterior motive because they want. Resources and then
my thought, too is all of this is coming into play.
Now it might sound fast, etched but do you think
this is setting up so that people that are watching
ON tv seeing blacks against blacks killing each, other so

(02:55:57):
that now we can have justification the administration here in
The United states to make sure we put down any
unrest that black people might try to, do because look
what they did In, Africa we're not gonna have it.
Here so now they can control us as a people
because it has been stated that the administration wants to
put at least five hundred troops in each state to

(02:56:19):
put down any. Unrest AND i just the last thought
IS i wish we as a people have leveraged like
what is It Vanguard, State Street, Rocks, blackstone that we
could come in to help our brothers and sisters In,
africa because, yes knowledge is, powerful but now how can

(02:56:42):
we apply the knowledge to help our brothers and sister
Like Abraham tarre is doing In it became no. Fossil
BUT i just want to thank you and your thoughts
please That i'm SORRY i rambled all over the.

Speaker 9 (02:56:55):
PLACE i appreciate the. Comments, well you, know In, sudan
The chinese are, there there's no question The chinese are.
There it's not all, bad it's, good but it's certainly
some bad as. Well the problem with The chinese did
they come in with help with projects of, development whether it's, roads, bridges.

(02:57:18):
Dams the problem is that they don't have any moral.
Compass they will invest in any project regardless of the
damage they may call to the local. People for, example In,
sudan in The Third cataract area in the northern part Of,
sudan near the Cash bar area WHERE i spent, time
The chinese were working with The sudanese, government and when

(02:57:43):
they were working with The sudanese, government the goal was
to clear out the area to make to build the
Cash bar. Dam AND i just AND i learned being
there that The chinese working with The sudanese government had
dug up one hundred and sixty one One nubian, ancestors
just dug them, up desecrated a burial area so that

(02:58:06):
they could make room to build the. Dam so that's the,
problem is that they're in there for a construction project
with no moral. Compass The, chinese, however on the other,
hand there's some things that they've done that are APPLAUDIBLE
i mean to build a road that links towns or,
cities or rather than a five hour, journey it's only

(02:58:28):
an hour and a. Half that makes a. Difference The
chinese are not trying to Tell african governments how they
should organize their, government how they should organize their. Economy
they're not doing, that but they are benefiting in terms
of giving the loans and bringing construction companies and workers.
In The chinese correctly point out that The, west that

(02:58:50):
THE us government has some nerve to Criticize china when
THE us goes in under The International Monetary fund or THE.
Imf and by the, way the boys on the corner
would have a different name for WHAT mf. Means but
THE imf and The World bank come, in they won't
give alan until they read direct reorganize the, economy and

(02:59:11):
dictate what happens in the. Country The chinese are not doing.
That so it was actually he was good and bad,
There but AND i see what The chinese are, doing
and a lot of bad, things but some things that
are good because The africans need their, help and a
lot of The african foreign ministers and leaders are not all.
Puppets these are very sharp, individuals and they are agents

(02:59:31):
of the kind of outside help they need as long
as they're in. Control but in terms Of, sudan The
United arab immigrants are shipping weapons of destruction directly to
the western part Of. Sudan so it's not going Through
china or any other. Place it's direct shipments of killing
and murder because they know they can extract the. Gold

(02:59:53):
so that's what's that's what's happening. There and so, anyway
so thank you for your. COMMENTS i just wanted to
mention though those important items as.

Speaker 1 (03:00:01):
Well all, right d away from the top of Our
Brother colus is. Next he's calling From. Waldorf he's. Online
five grand Rising Brother, Colus PROFESSOR mpm Rising.

Speaker 17 (03:00:12):
Colin and and my dear, Professor i'll make this real.
Quick uh. Uh the religion has been used as they
two by four against us throughout the, centuries Uh John
Henry clark and. Uh but the other, professor one of
the other, professors says that it has been used as

(03:00:34):
a as a. Glorification religion has been used as a
glorification or deification for people's cultural values and uh their political.
Intent and SO i want one of you to expound on.
That and also the second part real quickly would be
this so called lost tribes Of. Israel Uh i've read

(03:00:56):
books that they are in fact In africa as, such
deep In. Africa so could you expound on, that And
i'll take Myself, aaron thank you very.

Speaker 9 (03:01:06):
Much we thank, you Brother, carls appreciate it. Well really, briefly,
Yes so religion has been used as a two by
four Against. Africas there's no question whatsoever this continues to
be an. Issue doctor the, great great Doctor John Henry
cark is totally correct that religion is the deification of a.
Culture this is why In islam a lot of The

(03:01:28):
africans are against their own cultural traditions because this is
what they're, taught that anything that is Pre muhammad is
not only, insignificant but this it should be. Dismissed so
people dismiss their own history and. Heritage and we've had
places like In mali with The Great Timbuck two. Manuscripts
you have these mad men going in to destroy and

(03:01:49):
burn anything that they don't. Understand most of them are,
illiterate they don't, read and so they're using their religious
ideology to destroy their own cultural. Traditions so we found
that that is, uh that's a regular ongoing issue because
it's you, know it is about the dentification of a particular.
Culture so people can Speak arabic Practice islam and they

(03:02:11):
didn't have to and didn't go To mecca every. Year
what about the holy sites in their own? Land so
we should look at this and it's It's christians doing
the same thing As muslims doing. That that's why they
fight everywhere in the. World and this is not a
part Of african traditional. Culture but this is what we're
stuck with. Today so we do have to look at
these political and economic and religious dynamics because they certainly

(03:02:34):
Have africa And african people. Divided so but thank you
for those. Comments brother All.

Speaker 1 (03:02:39):
Right sticks away from The top tweeted into the. STUDIO
i want to, know Is africa the reason Why trump
is removing the top black, brass the top military man
from or is it something?

Speaker 9 (03:02:49):
Else i'm not, sure but BUT i know this is.
That WHAT i would add to the analysis Is trump
is no different than Genocide Joe. Biden there's never a
war That biden and The democrats don't like or. Love
they'll kill civilians in a minute if they can help will.

(03:03:12):
Power So i'm not familiar with all of what this
mad man is doing, today but certainly he's not isolated at.
All america Deserves trump and so he's not an aberration
in any. Way you look at Genocide joe and his
career of warmongering and killing innocent victims around the. World

(03:03:32):
but this is. Tradition as a matter of. Fact let's
take a look at The congo and you look and
see how THE us has destabilized The, congo which is
another area in conflict now as. Well patrice La, mumba
why was he assassinated in nineteen sixty. One, oh he
was assassinated just Before kennedy took. Office THE us gave

(03:03:56):
the hit that, look we don't want this conflict In
sudan to spill over to The kennedy. Administration so he's, assassinated,
uh the great Leader lumumba just, before just weeks Before
kennedy took. Office and so THE us has always been
involved regardless of the. Administration Democrat, republican doesn't make any.

(03:04:20):
Difference it's the same agenda to wield influence in the
world and steal resources and kill off whoever doesn't.

Speaker 1 (03:04:27):
Like it all, right they stay on code Quickly, Nick
nick And minaja Praising trump for going into going into
the that and then going Into. Nigeria she confused the
your thoughts real.

Speaker 9 (03:04:38):
Quick she's, confused she said she. Was she said that
she received a deep sense of gratitude when she read
About trump's threat to go Into. Nigeria so she's. CONFUSED i,
mean look at her, attire look at the woman's. Career,
uh she certainly nobody to uh to listen to seriously
or even look at seriously as a. Woman where's the dignity?

(03:05:01):
There so this is just somebody responding to AN x
or a tweet that's absolutely. Silly with, that we got to.

Speaker 1 (03:05:09):
Step aside and close the classroom before we, go professor.
Humping how can folks keep up with?

Speaker 9 (03:05:14):
You, yes Brother carr. Appreciated So I'm professor May NEW,
mpm and you can reach me at my email ADDRESS
MAYU mpm at gmail and THAT'S M a N u
and THEN MPM A M P I. M also go
to my website at vanting theresearch dot org to see

(03:05:34):
my ongoing. Work and please folks reach. Out you can
help us with our documentary on. Cush So i'm working
on a documentary on ancient and modern cush and so
we need as much support as. Possible also find me
on social media go to my YouTube Channel professor Main NEW,
mpm and also On. Facebook so thank you very. MUCH

(03:05:55):
i appreciate.

Speaker 4 (03:05:55):
It all, right thank, You.

Speaker 1 (03:05:56):
Professor that's. Said family classes. Dismissed stay, strong stay. Positt
we'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (03:06:01):
Morning

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