August 4, 2026 • 19 mins
What Dov Hikind told me about his mother, Auschwitz and the true meaning of “Never Again” left me fighting back tears.
Dov Hikind spent 36 years in the New York State Assembly as a Democrat. Now, he is going absolutely ballistic over the direction of the Democratic Party—and specifically the silence of Chuck Schumer and other prominent Jewish leaders as antisemitism escalates.
In this raw and deeply emotional conversation, Dov reveals the concrete action he and former New York Governor David Paterson have taken by asking the Department of Justice to examine what they describe as incitement surrounding Zohran Mamdani’s rhetoric.
He also unloads on Chuck Schumer, Bernie Sanders and Democratic moderates; explains why he believes New York’s Jewish leadership has failed to confront this moment; and reveals his plan to help create a new Jewish defense organization in America.
But the conversation takes an intensely personal turn when Dov recounts how his mother survived Auschwitz while the rest of her family was murdered—and delivers a devastating message to everyone who continues saying “Never Again” without being prepared to act.
Watch until the end, then tell me in the comments: Has “Never Again” become an empty slogan?
Please LIKE this video, SUBSCRIBE to The Erin Molan Show and SHARE this interview with someone who needs to hear Dov Hikind’s warning.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 The warning that left Erin in tears
00:40 Dov Hikind joins The Erin Molan Show
02:03 Taking concrete action against Mamdani
03:51 “Some of our worst enemies are within”
04:55 Why Jewish leaders embracing Mamdani matters
06:11 Dov’s mother, Auschwitz and October 7
08:47 Erin fights back tears
11:03 “Stop saying ‘Never Again’”
11:23 Dov goes ballistic on Chuck Schumer
13:15 Why the Democrats keep winning
14:01 Bernie Sanders and Jewish Democrats
15:55 Dov’s plan for a Jewish defense group
16:54 Could Bruce Blakeman win New York?
18:02 “You need to deserve the miracle”
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
So we call out mum Dani a lot on this show.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Of course, I refer to the New York City mayor,
the man who has a real soft spot for terror,
Dove Hikened. He's doing more than just calling him out.
He's a former talk show, radio host, politician from New
York activist. He's actually doing something concrete and it involves
(00:37):
the Department of Justice.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
This could be huge. You want to know how to
stop these people? Watch this.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Dove Hikened, thank you so so much for joining me
here on the Aaron Mullin Show.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
It's such a pleasure to have you.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
It's a pleasure to be with you. You have been
an individual with amazing courage in a world where there's
very little of it. So it is really an honor
and a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Bless you, and do you know what, the more I
exist in this space, the more lonely I feel sometimes,
so voices like yours I am immensely grateful for.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Because it's not just the obvious to speak.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
If you are Jewish, we see a lot of silence
within your community as well, and I understand it, but gosh,
it makes it easier when people speak.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And you are doing that.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
You're doing more than that, and that is one of
the reasons I wanted to get you on you're speaking
to the Department of Justice regarding me or Mum Danny.
I would love the day when I don't have to
say his name anymore. And incitement, it's obvious to blind
Freddy that he incites day in day out, and we're
seeing the results of that on the streets.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What are you doing actually about it?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, so former Governor David Patterson and myself wrote a
letter to the Justice Department, to the Attorney General asking
them to look into the issue of incitement. It's so
obvious what this mayor is doing. Mamdanie obsessed. He's obsessed
with Israel, He's obsessed with bb Natignot. He's entitled to
(02:17):
his point of view, but obsession is not healthy. And
what he has been doing, literally on a daily basis,
is creating a situation we call incitement, which he doesn't
take the knife and stick it into anybody, but he is.
Rhetoric is hateful. Rhetoric is responsible violating the civil rights
(02:38):
of the New Yorkers of Americans. So we got to
do something concrete. You know, it's not about you know
Jewish leaders. Well, I'm sorry, I call them leaders. I
don't think there are leaders around too many. You know,
the mayor needs to tone down. What does that mean?
Tone down? B fifty as athetic forty percent, It's totally ridiculous.
(03:00):
So I had a lengthy conversation a couple of days
ago with her Meet Dylan, the head of the Civil
Rights Division at the Justice Department. I can only tell
you that they are taking it seriously. They are looking
at this in a way that hopefully we're going to
get action on the part of the Justice Department. But
(03:24):
you know, and beyond that, we need to be tough,
we need to be strong, We need to be prepared
to defend ourselves as well. Unfortunately, you know, we have
our enemies, and I get that, but some of our
worst enemies are within the Jewish community, unfortunately. So and
(03:45):
that's a real, real problem. And again I'm not depressed.
It's part of Jewish history. You know, throughout Jewish history,
nothing changes, you know, the hate blaming Jews for everything,
your job, your rent, whatever. It is the easiest thing
to do is just blame the Jews because the Jews
are responsible for everything. Right fifteen million of us in
(04:09):
the entire world, so many Jews not supporting the Jewish causes,
but Jews are responsible for everything. So you know, that's
the reality. We live with it. But again, we need
to organize, we need to learn to defend ourselves, and
we need to learn that while you need to deal,
(04:31):
for instance, with Mayor Mondanni in New York, you don't
need to hug him. You don't need to go to
Gracie mansion and have cheese danishes when he invites you.
You know, come on, a little pride would go a
long way.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Something that you've really touched on here. And it's such
a great point. I feel like, especially when people who
are not Jewish speak out, and every single non Jewish
person should speak out, it makes our job a hell
of a lot harder when someone comes back at me
and says, yeah, but this Jewish person in New York
(05:08):
had Shabbat with the mayor and look at them laughing
and cuddling and oh they're so close, and he said this,
So he can't be antisemitic because this, this, this, this, this,
this jew said this that was positive or that, you know,
reaffirmed that he and I just think God, come on,
like I know that not every Jew will be the same.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And of course not.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That's ridiculous and they should have a million different opposing
political beliefs. This is not a political belief, it's your survival.
This bloke, and I don't care what other people say.
Sid Rosenberg was right. His wife, the woman he loves
and married, liked and celebrated the slaughter of Jews. This
(05:50):
man ain't fighting for your survival or trying to protect you,
in fact, the complete opposite.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It should be a no brainer.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Right, and nonetheless it isn't. Seven October seventh happened. I
went to Israel from America. Two days later, I walked
in Far Asa. Stay wrote, I saw the blood on
the floor of those who were murdered in those houses,
the horrors that were committed. But nobody cares. Nobody wants
(06:22):
to hear about the Holocaust, six million Jews being murdered, men,
women and children. Just to share with you, this runs
in my blood stream. My mother went to Auschwitz in
nineteen forty four with her mother, brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces.
Except for my mother, they all went to the gas
chamber the day they arrived. Does everybody hear that gas chamber.
(06:46):
The crime they committed was that they were Jews. That's it.
They were Jews, and therefore they deserved to be eradicated.
And what we are faced today, not only whether it's Australia,
whether it's fran England, all of Europe. Something is going on.
It's like, and you know, it's something that should concern
(07:09):
everyone in the most serious way. But honestly, I don't
see it yet. I don't see you know where, Yeah,
we got a problem, we got anti Semitism, But I
don't see the wake up call. I don't see the plan.
Does anybody have a plan? Does any Jewish organization have
(07:29):
a plan for the situation as it exists now, which
is different from anything we've ever witnessed. Honestly. I mean
anti Semitism, We've always had that, that's not the issue,
but it's a it's at a level that we have
never experienced before. And I got to tell you that
here in places like in New York and America, Jews
(07:52):
actually talk about whether there's the future in America. It
hurts my heart to hear people say that, because America
is the greatest country on the face of the earth.
The United States and for people to say quietly at
home when they discuss it, you know, we got to
think of getting out of here. By the way, it
is hell happening in Belgium, it's happening in England, and
(08:15):
it's happening in other countries that we have to leave.
These are democracies, mind you. I mean, these are great
nations of Europe and we're back to where we were.
And this is what people say to me. It's like
pre Nazi Germany, now is it? Is it not? But
it's pretty I'm bad, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
See I can't even hear you say the words sent
to a guest chamber. And I have these images in
my head from when I was in year three and I.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Studied the Holocaust.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And again people ask me all the time, why do
you speak out? And again, I'm a human being with
a brain for starters, But I was so disturbed by it,
and the images never left my mind as a young
girl learning about it. And I remember learning about those
(09:10):
majority of rich and whom were silent, and I could
not fathom. And that's the bit that I could never
compute about it was the evil was there and that
was so hard to understand. But what I found harder
to understand was why normal people didn't speak up or
stop it. You know, evil will always exist. And when
you say that and it's people think it like a
(09:32):
throwaway line. People use it like, oh, like I just
that makes me feel physically ill, And I don't understand
how it doesn't elicit the same reaction in every other
human being, a part of course, from those ideologically driven
to destroy not just Jews, but all of us in
the West, all of us. So thank you for sharing that.
(09:54):
Thank you, And you're right, you're waiting for this, this moment.
How many more people in New York City need to
be stabbed for New Yorkers to say, wait a minute.
There was an Asian man with him as well, we're
not safe. We're not Jewish, but we're not safe either.
It's the same as Bondi Beach. When an isis inspired,
gunman is shooting, he's not looking down his lens. Yes,
he targets a Jewish event, but he's not checking whether
(10:17):
you're wearing a cross or a star. He wants to
kill and destroy, and he kills Muslims too. It doesn't
they want to destroy it or what more does it
take I kept thinking, we need an event and then
people will wake up, and that makes me feel physically ill.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
It's made no difference.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
We are worse in Australia now than we were before
the Bondai terror attack with anti Semitism.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
You're absolutely right. I've spent my entire life. I go
back to the days I was in elective office for
thirty six years as a member of the New York
State Assembly. But prior to that, I was involved in
something called the Jewish Defense League, which was fighting and
standing up and going out into the streets and getting
(10:59):
arrested doing all kinds of things to say wake up.
You know, we say never again. Does anybody believe that
anyone means that anymore? Never again? Please stop using the
freaking term because you don't mean it. It's and look
what's happening here now, Yeah, and look what's happening in
America with the Democratic Party. We talked before about our
(11:22):
ultimately our most dangerous enemies. You have people like the
majority leader of the United States Senate minority leader, one
of the most powerful people in the United States, a
guy by the name of Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I just wanted to say the biggest Thank you to
all of those who have supported Meer Panim since we
started talking about the incredible work that they are doing.
Over six hundred and fifty thousand warm meals they provide
each year. Nothing works the way it used to in Israel.
A lot of people are struggling financially, a lot of
businesses have shut down in the aftermath. Kids are having
(11:55):
to go off and join the idea. Families are mourning
and grieving. Some kind of even afford to feare their kids.
That is heartbreaking looking at your child's eyes and knowing
they're hungry and not being able to do a thing.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And this is what Meer Pinim does.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I've also received some screenshots from some of you showing
me that you've been giving. It makes me really emotional.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. You guys are incredible.
I love to know that we're helping make a difference.
So if you are able to give, it doesn't matter
whether it's big or small.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Every little bit helps.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Let me know, send me a direct message again. Just
wanted to say a massive thank you to everyone.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Okay who in his entire life I have watched them
talk about do you know what my name means? Schumer Showmer,
I am the watcher of the Jewish people. Have you
heard Schumer around? Is Schuber still? There? Is he? Where
is he? I vacation on the moon? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
For the other team.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
You know, it's like miss you know he wrote a book.
I have it right here in my collection, and anti Semitism.
Chuck Schumer wrote a book and anti Semitism. You know
what I feel like doing? Burning it for God's sake?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
But you look at every issue that these democratic socialists
of communists, nutcase insane people who don't understand history, or
if they do, my lord, they have a death wish.
It hasn't worked anywhere the stuff they want to do,
and we don't have Where are your normal democrats that
are not insane? Where are those who we need a
(13:23):
strong Democratic party in the US. There needs to be
two strong parties going at it. These democrats are silent
in the face of people who want to get into
essentially focus entirely on killing Jews.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
How does that happen in America? You're right, you need
a plan B. And that is.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Heartbreaking, right right.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And because they're not.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Just by the way, sorry dog, they're not just out
there spouting this information on social media. Americans are putting
them in office, They're putting them in positions of power.
That's what I can't grasp. Yes, people are going to
say it and believe it. They're actually winning exactly, They
are winning.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You're You're absolutely correct, And part of the reason is
a lack of courage on our side. We don't have
the people like yourself who went out there and did
something that wasn't pleasant and you're still paying a price
for it. But you know what, God is proud of you,
and in the end you will win. We will win.
(14:24):
I have no doubt about that. It's only a question
of how much difficulty, uh we will have to go through.
But courage Democratic Party in America. It's the moderates that
are trying to figure out, Okay, what where should I be,
what should I say? What should I not say? You know,
Bertie's Bertie Sanders, the jew for God's say, right. I mean,
(14:46):
I'd rather have people with crosses, you know, all over
their body representing me than a guy who says I'm Jewish,
like who gives a darn, who gives a crap? For
God's say, he.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Is your enemy? He is your enemy.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
He is, and he has a lot of company. And
he has a lot of company in the Democratic Party.
The worst thing I hate to say it when you're
tell me, oh, he's a Jew, a senator or a
member of the House, I get very nervous.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, rather than be confident, as they say, dove, the
right side of history can be a very lonely place.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You know that. I know that.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
But my lord, there is nowhere else I would rather be.
There is nowhere else I would be capable of being.
And I would rather endure and suffer the rest of
my life than ever join the disgusting hate field death
wish mob.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well, well, God bless you. And like I said before,
it's not easy. It's tough watching how things are unfolding
Democratic Socialism of America. I mean, tell me, we're in
the world history. Has it worked nowhere? What is it
you want to go about? Stalin? That worked? That was beautiful?
(16:08):
Oh yeah, you know, I'm trying to figure out who
we orded more people, Stalin or Hitler?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I know, like, but this is their gauge, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But but again, and we look at at influences that
have come in and the Muslim brotherhood and the like,
and we are the architects of our own demise. Look
at Spain, look at the UK, and I don't see
any change in trajectory.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Don't finish me off with a message of strength and
hope because you are awesome.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Well, well, thank you. I can say to you that, look,
I am looking at bringing back a Jewish defense group
here in America. We need to create a situation, not
to have confrontation. We're not interested in that. The haters
can take their positions of heye, that's this is America.
(17:00):
Freedom of speech not a problem. But if you're going
to come into a Jewish neighborhood with your flags of
Iran and his ballah in Chamas, if you are going
to terrorize people in Jewish community, we're going to be
there waiting for you to deal with We need to
have a different approach. It is an approach of pride,
(17:23):
strength and being prepared to do what needs to be done.
And that is not what we have now, But that's
where we need to go. Everyone agrees with me, by
the way, we just got to make it happen and
be too stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Well, I did say last question, I'm going to throw
one more in something that might help to make that happen.
In fact, I don't even know your relationship with him.
But Bruce Blakeman going for governor, what are your thoughts
on him? They're saying four points. I saw that last week.
This could happen.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Well, Bruce is a very good friend. We're almost neighbors
in Long Island of New York. He's a great guy.
I wish to God that Bruce Blakeman could possibly win
the four points. It's gonna be very tough. You want
me to be honest with you. We are developing. This
is our first date. We're developing that relationship, and I'm
(18:16):
always gonna be honest with you and straight. If everyone
goes out and votes, and in a way that Democrats
very often vote, I mean everybody, there's an opportunity. It's
not easy. This is New York, okay. And so look,
the four points excited people. Well, we got a long
(18:37):
long way to go, and I hope to God that
that happens.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
But meanwhile, miracles, husham. I always get told that.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, why can I tell
you something? You need to deserve the miracle?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Ah, you get the society you deserve.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You are You and I are on the same page.
You got it, this servian. Oh God help me, God, Like,
what are you doing? What have you done? Tell me?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I love that nap spot on. You are amazing, Dove.
Thank you so much for your time and for joining
me here on the Aaron Mullin Show.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Thank you for having me. You're fabulous.
So we call out mum Dani a lot on this show.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Of course, I refer to the New York City mayor,
the man who has a real soft spot for terror,
Dove Hikened. He's doing more than just calling him out.
He's a former talk show, radio host, politician from New
York activist. He's actually doing something concrete and it involves
(00:37):
the Department of Justice.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
This could be huge. You want to know how to
stop these people? Watch this.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Dove Hikened, thank you so so much for joining me
here on the Aaron Mullin Show.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
It's such a pleasure to have you.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
It's a pleasure to be with you. You have been
an individual with amazing courage in a world where there's
very little of it. So it is really an honor
and a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Bless you, and do you know what, the more I
exist in this space, the more lonely I feel sometimes,
so voices like yours I am immensely grateful for.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Because it's not just the obvious to speak.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
If you are Jewish, we see a lot of silence
within your community as well, and I understand it, but gosh,
it makes it easier when people speak.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And you are doing that.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
You're doing more than that, and that is one of
the reasons I wanted to get you on you're speaking
to the Department of Justice regarding me or Mum Danny.
I would love the day when I don't have to
say his name anymore. And incitement, it's obvious to blind
Freddy that he incites day in day out, and we're
seeing the results of that on the streets.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What are you doing actually about it?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, so former Governor David Patterson and myself wrote a
letter to the Justice Department, to the Attorney General asking
them to look into the issue of incitement. It's so
obvious what this mayor is doing. Mamdanie obsessed. He's obsessed
with Israel, He's obsessed with bb Natignot. He's entitled to
(02:17):
his point of view, but obsession is not healthy. And
what he has been doing, literally on a daily basis,
is creating a situation we call incitement, which he doesn't
take the knife and stick it into anybody, but he is.
Rhetoric is hateful. Rhetoric is responsible violating the civil rights
(02:38):
of the New Yorkers of Americans. So we got to
do something concrete. You know, it's not about you know
Jewish leaders. Well, I'm sorry, I call them leaders. I
don't think there are leaders around too many. You know,
the mayor needs to tone down. What does that mean?
Tone down? B fifty as athetic forty percent, It's totally ridiculous.
(03:00):
So I had a lengthy conversation a couple of days
ago with her Meet Dylan, the head of the Civil
Rights Division at the Justice Department. I can only tell
you that they are taking it seriously. They are looking
at this in a way that hopefully we're going to
get action on the part of the Justice Department. But
(03:24):
you know, and beyond that, we need to be tough,
we need to be strong, We need to be prepared
to defend ourselves as well. Unfortunately, you know, we have
our enemies, and I get that, but some of our
worst enemies are within the Jewish community, unfortunately. So and
(03:45):
that's a real, real problem. And again I'm not depressed.
It's part of Jewish history. You know, throughout Jewish history,
nothing changes, you know, the hate blaming Jews for everything,
your job, your rent, whatever. It is the easiest thing
to do is just blame the Jews because the Jews
are responsible for everything. Right fifteen million of us in
(04:09):
the entire world, so many Jews not supporting the Jewish causes,
but Jews are responsible for everything. So you know, that's
the reality. We live with it. But again, we need
to organize, we need to learn to defend ourselves, and
we need to learn that while you need to deal,
(04:31):
for instance, with Mayor Mondanni in New York, you don't
need to hug him. You don't need to go to
Gracie mansion and have cheese danishes when he invites you.
You know, come on, a little pride would go a
long way.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Something that you've really touched on here. And it's such
a great point. I feel like, especially when people who
are not Jewish speak out, and every single non Jewish
person should speak out, it makes our job a hell
of a lot harder when someone comes back at me
and says, yeah, but this Jewish person in New York
(05:08):
had Shabbat with the mayor and look at them laughing
and cuddling and oh they're so close, and he said this,
So he can't be antisemitic because this, this, this, this, this,
this jew said this that was positive or that, you know,
reaffirmed that he and I just think God, come on,
like I know that not every Jew will be the same.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And of course not.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That's ridiculous and they should have a million different opposing
political beliefs. This is not a political belief, it's your survival.
This bloke, and I don't care what other people say.
Sid Rosenberg was right. His wife, the woman he loves
and married, liked and celebrated the slaughter of Jews. This
(05:50):
man ain't fighting for your survival or trying to protect you,
in fact, the complete opposite.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It should be a no brainer.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Right, and nonetheless it isn't. Seven October seventh happened. I
went to Israel from America. Two days later, I walked
in Far Asa. Stay wrote, I saw the blood on
the floor of those who were murdered in those houses,
the horrors that were committed. But nobody cares. Nobody wants
(06:22):
to hear about the Holocaust, six million Jews being murdered, men,
women and children. Just to share with you, this runs
in my blood stream. My mother went to Auschwitz in
nineteen forty four with her mother, brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces.
Except for my mother, they all went to the gas
chamber the day they arrived. Does everybody hear that gas chamber.
(06:46):
The crime they committed was that they were Jews. That's it.
They were Jews, and therefore they deserved to be eradicated.
And what we are faced today, not only whether it's Australia,
whether it's fran England, all of Europe. Something is going on.
It's like, and you know, it's something that should concern
(07:09):
everyone in the most serious way. But honestly, I don't
see it yet. I don't see you know where, Yeah,
we got a problem, we got anti Semitism, But I
don't see the wake up call. I don't see the plan.
Does anybody have a plan? Does any Jewish organization have
(07:29):
a plan for the situation as it exists now, which
is different from anything we've ever witnessed. Honestly. I mean
anti Semitism, We've always had that, that's not the issue,
but it's a it's at a level that we have
never experienced before. And I got to tell you that
here in places like in New York and America, Jews
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actually talk about whether there's the future in America. It
hurts my heart to hear people say that, because America
is the greatest country on the face of the earth.
The United States and for people to say quietly at
home when they discuss it, you know, we got to
think of getting out of here. By the way, it
is hell happening in Belgium, it's happening in England, and
(08:15):
it's happening in other countries that we have to leave.
These are democracies, mind you. I mean, these are great
nations of Europe and we're back to where we were.
And this is what people say to me. It's like
pre Nazi Germany, now is it? Is it not? But
it's pretty I'm bad, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
See I can't even hear you say the words sent
to a guest chamber. And I have these images in
my head from when I was in year three and I.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Studied the Holocaust.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And again people ask me all the time, why do
you speak out? And again, I'm a human being with
a brain for starters, But I was so disturbed by it,
and the images never left my mind as a young
girl learning about it. And I remember learning about those
(09:10):
majority of rich and whom were silent, and I could
not fathom. And that's the bit that I could never
compute about it was the evil was there and that
was so hard to understand. But what I found harder
to understand was why normal people didn't speak up or
stop it. You know, evil will always exist. And when
you say that and it's people think it like a
(09:32):
throwaway line. People use it like, oh, like I just
that makes me feel physically ill, And I don't understand
how it doesn't elicit the same reaction in every other
human being, a part of course, from those ideologically driven
to destroy not just Jews, but all of us in
the West, all of us. So thank you for sharing that.
(09:54):
Thank you, And you're right, you're waiting for this, this moment.
How many more people in New York City need to
be stabbed for New Yorkers to say, wait a minute.
There was an Asian man with him as well, we're
not safe. We're not Jewish, but we're not safe either.
It's the same as Bondi Beach. When an isis inspired,
gunman is shooting, he's not looking down his lens. Yes,
he targets a Jewish event, but he's not checking whether
(10:17):
you're wearing a cross or a star. He wants to
kill and destroy, and he kills Muslims too. It doesn't
they want to destroy it or what more does it
take I kept thinking, we need an event and then
people will wake up, and that makes me feel physically ill.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
It's made no difference.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
We are worse in Australia now than we were before
the Bondai terror attack with anti Semitism.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
You're absolutely right. I've spent my entire life. I go
back to the days I was in elective office for
thirty six years as a member of the New York
State Assembly. But prior to that, I was involved in
something called the Jewish Defense League, which was fighting and
standing up and going out into the streets and getting
(10:59):
arrested doing all kinds of things to say wake up.
You know, we say never again. Does anybody believe that
anyone means that anymore? Never again? Please stop using the
freaking term because you don't mean it. It's and look
what's happening here now, Yeah, and look what's happening in
America with the Democratic Party. We talked before about our
(11:22):
ultimately our most dangerous enemies. You have people like the
majority leader of the United States Senate minority leader, one
of the most powerful people in the United States, a
guy by the name of Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I just wanted to say the biggest Thank you to
all of those who have supported Meer Panim since we
started talking about the incredible work that they are doing.
Over six hundred and fifty thousand warm meals they provide
each year. Nothing works the way it used to in Israel.
A lot of people are struggling financially, a lot of
businesses have shut down in the aftermath. Kids are having
(11:55):
to go off and join the idea. Families are mourning
and grieving. Some kind of even afford to feare their kids.
That is heartbreaking looking at your child's eyes and knowing
they're hungry and not being able to do a thing.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And this is what Meer Pinim does.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I've also received some screenshots from some of you showing
me that you've been giving. It makes me really emotional.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. You guys are incredible.
I love to know that we're helping make a difference.
So if you are able to give, it doesn't matter
whether it's big or small.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Every little bit helps.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Let me know, send me a direct message again. Just
wanted to say a massive thank you to everyone.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Okay who in his entire life I have watched them
talk about do you know what my name means? Schumer Showmer,
I am the watcher of the Jewish people. Have you
heard Schumer around? Is Schuber still? There? Is he? Where
is he? I vacation on the moon? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
For the other team.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
You know, it's like miss you know he wrote a book.
I have it right here in my collection, and anti Semitism.
Chuck Schumer wrote a book and anti Semitism. You know
what I feel like doing? Burning it for God's sake?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
But you look at every issue that these democratic socialists
of communists, nutcase insane people who don't understand history, or
if they do, my lord, they have a death wish.
It hasn't worked anywhere the stuff they want to do,
and we don't have Where are your normal democrats that
are not insane? Where are those who we need a
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strong Democratic party in the US. There needs to be
two strong parties going at it. These democrats are silent
in the face of people who want to get into
essentially focus entirely on killing Jews.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
How does that happen in America? You're right, you need
a plan B. And that is.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Heartbreaking, right right.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And because they're not.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Just by the way, sorry dog, they're not just out
there spouting this information on social media. Americans are putting
them in office, They're putting them in positions of power.
That's what I can't grasp. Yes, people are going to
say it and believe it. They're actually winning exactly, They
are winning.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You're You're absolutely correct, And part of the reason is
a lack of courage on our side. We don't have
the people like yourself who went out there and did
something that wasn't pleasant and you're still paying a price
for it. But you know what, God is proud of you,
and in the end you will win. We will win.
(14:24):
I have no doubt about that. It's only a question
of how much difficulty, uh we will have to go through.
But courage Democratic Party in America. It's the moderates that
are trying to figure out, Okay, what where should I be,
what should I say? What should I not say? You know,
Bertie's Bertie Sanders, the jew for God's say, right. I mean,
(14:46):
I'd rather have people with crosses, you know, all over
their body representing me than a guy who says I'm Jewish,
like who gives a darn, who gives a crap? For
God's say, he.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Is your enemy? He is your enemy.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
He is, and he has a lot of company. And
he has a lot of company in the Democratic Party.
The worst thing I hate to say it when you're
tell me, oh, he's a Jew, a senator or a
member of the House, I get very nervous.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, rather than be confident, as they say, dove, the
right side of history can be a very lonely place.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You know that. I know that.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
But my lord, there is nowhere else I would rather be.
There is nowhere else I would be capable of being.
And I would rather endure and suffer the rest of
my life than ever join the disgusting hate field death
wish mob.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well, well, God bless you. And like I said before,
it's not easy. It's tough watching how things are unfolding
Democratic Socialism of America. I mean, tell me, we're in
the world history. Has it worked nowhere? What is it
you want to go about? Stalin? That worked? That was beautiful?
(16:08):
Oh yeah, you know, I'm trying to figure out who
we orded more people, Stalin or Hitler?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I know, like, but this is their gauge, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But but again, and we look at at influences that
have come in and the Muslim brotherhood and the like,
and we are the architects of our own demise. Look
at Spain, look at the UK, and I don't see
any change in trajectory.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Don't finish me off with a message of strength and
hope because you are awesome.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Well, well, thank you. I can say to you that, look,
I am looking at bringing back a Jewish defense group
here in America. We need to create a situation, not
to have confrontation. We're not interested in that. The haters
can take their positions of heye, that's this is America.
(17:00):
Freedom of speech not a problem. But if you're going
to come into a Jewish neighborhood with your flags of
Iran and his ballah in Chamas, if you are going
to terrorize people in Jewish community, we're going to be
there waiting for you to deal with We need to
have a different approach. It is an approach of pride,
(17:23):
strength and being prepared to do what needs to be done.
And that is not what we have now, But that's
where we need to go. Everyone agrees with me, by
the way, we just got to make it happen and
be too stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Well, I did say last question, I'm going to throw
one more in something that might help to make that happen.
In fact, I don't even know your relationship with him.
But Bruce Blakeman going for governor, what are your thoughts
on him? They're saying four points. I saw that last week.
This could happen.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Well, Bruce is a very good friend. We're almost neighbors
in Long Island of New York. He's a great guy.
I wish to God that Bruce Blakeman could possibly win
the four points. It's gonna be very tough. You want
me to be honest with you. We are developing. This
is our first date. We're developing that relationship, and I'm
(18:16):
always gonna be honest with you and straight. If everyone
goes out and votes, and in a way that Democrats
very often vote, I mean everybody, there's an opportunity. It's
not easy. This is New York, okay. And so look,
the four points excited people. Well, we got a long
(18:37):
long way to go, and I hope to God that
that happens.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
But meanwhile, miracles, husham. I always get told that.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, why can I tell
you something? You need to deserve the miracle?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Ah, you get the society you deserve.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You are You and I are on the same page.
You got it, this servian. Oh God help me, God, Like,
what are you doing? What have you done? Tell me?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I love that nap spot on. You are amazing, Dove.
Thank you so much for your time and for joining
me here on the Aaron Mullin Show.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Thank you for having me. You're fabulous.
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