The True Love Story Behind Jesus Revolution | Encore Greg & Cathe Laurie Open Up - The Greg Laurie Show

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Life audio.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
As I was laughing this very dark moment where I'm
laughing at what they're saying and I'm laughing at them,
a thought occurred to me, almost like a lightning bolt,
and this thought came to me, and it was, you
are on your way to hell, and what they're saying
is holly and true, and you need to listen to them.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Hey, Greg Glory here, welcome to my podcast. I have
a very special guest today, my wife, Catherine Beatrice Lori there'
she is Beatrice spelled.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
With a Z, with a z pronounced be a face
in Spanish.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Wow, there you go. And my name is pronounced Greg.
There's nothing special.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Gregory, Gregory Mitchell Mitchell, Laurie. Your mom had a thing
for movie stars.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, I was, I think named after Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Reepat not a bad.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, but you know my nickname was in life though.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh yes, I do know what Pogo?

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yes, and you know why.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Because you looked like the character in the cartoon strip
there was is Pogo stillana, No, he's gone, he's retired.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
He had little Kurt. He was a cartoon character, Pogo
the Possum. And some aunt saw me and said, he
looks like Pogo the possum.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
You do not? You didn't as a kid either.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well, I don't even know where that came. And I
was called that for many years and I never liked it.
But I just revealed it, so maybe I'll be called
it again. Okay. So we were blessed to have a
movie made about our life and about the last great
spiritual awakening, the Jesus Movement, and so it's a love
story where Greg and Kathy meet. Greg played by Joel Courtney,

(02:03):
Kathy played by Anna Grace Barlowe. I thought they both
did an amazing job, and so people often ask me,
is that how it really happens? So let's do scene
from Jesus Revolution. Is this the way it really happened.
Let's start with Greg and Kathy meeting on the high
school campus. Greg is looking to the defence. He's got

(02:24):
his camera, and here's that scene. Then we'll talk about it.
Come here, I.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Think there's a guy who wants to meet you.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Okay, hey square, I am not a square? Sorry, sor
are you dressed like one?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
This is Greg and he's going to be coming to
school here.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Actually I can't come to school here. Yeah, you can
do whatever you want you know that right?

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Maybe you can't actually.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
What this No, no, no, no, no no, this is not
my idea.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
This is my mom's idea. He thinks the academy will
expand my opportunities.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
See, I would rather expand my mind. Give me a break.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
You're in high school. All they teach is propaganda and lines.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay, what if there is no truth? What if it's
all just different points of view?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Did you just.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Quote Alan Ginsburg?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah? What ureak?

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah? Some?

Speaker 5 (03:34):
But you know what, I actually disagree with him on
that some things are absolutely true?

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, like what, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
I haven't found the yet, or at least now we're
asking the right questions.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Okay, So, Kathy, is this the way that I actually
met you?

Speaker 1 (03:50):
No, that is Hollywood fiction. Now.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Actually, the first time I saw you was we were
both already Christians and you were teaching a Bible study
in a little coffeehouse in Long Beach, California.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Remember my leg was shaking the whole time.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, like you nervous energy. You would sit on a
stool and.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
You would have your feet up on the little pole there,
and your knees would both be bouncing up and down,
up and down.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
So I looked down. I was single at the time, obviously,
and I was probably nineteen, and I saw you and
your two sisters. It was Dody and Mary. You went
everywhere together. You were like inseparable always, the three of you.
So I looked out and I saw Mary, and I
saw Dody, and I saw Kathy. And I remember that

(04:35):
there was a light coming down on you and it
was Dody holding a flushland over your head. No, not really,
so I thought I want to meet these girls, but
in particular I wanted to meet you. And do you
remember what I said to you?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Are you coming back?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Or what did you say? I remember you said coming
next Well, there was things happening almost every night of
the week back in those days, and different teachers, and
you were teaching, I think you were teaching on a
Monday night, and you said, are you going to come
back next week?

Speaker 1 (05:02):
And I said, well, I don't really know.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Because I might come on with it's kind of sad.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
So it was sort of a rejection of my sermon
and me at the same time.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
No, I thought you were hilarious and very entertaining. Thank you,
and I came back.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
You did, and then so I would say after church,
I'd see you. Hey, you guys want to go get
some dessert after church. That's back in the day, So
we'd eat dessert after church. I wouldn't do that. And coffee, Yeah, coffee,
I wouldn't do that either. I'd be up all night.
So we went out, we had fun together, and then
the next I think maybe the next Monday, I asked
again and we all went out, and then maybe the
third Monday or so, I said, hey, you want to

(05:37):
go ahead and get some coffee and dessert? Yeah, let
me get my sisters. And I said I don't want
your sisters. I didn't say it quite that ominously.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Do you have to bring your sister?

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah? I did it as no more diplomatic. So we
went out, and that's when we first kind of started
not quite dating. It was like predating.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, No, it was just getting to know each other,
getting to know acquainted.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
When did you think I could end up marrying this guy?
You know, it's so funny because kids now wait so
long to get married. They're still even with their parents
in their fifties. And Beck, when we were kids, we
got married young. I mean because when got married, you
were eighteen and I was twenty one and you just
turned eighteen, and so we were so young. But did

(06:23):
it occur to you in the that time area.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Like at fourteen, I was not thinking marriage. That would
have been a little premature.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah. I just thought, well, you were older than fourteen
because I was nineteen.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Fun and he loves Jesus.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
If you were fifteen sixteen cent, No, sixteen, you would
have been sixteen, because we're three years apart, and I
was nineteen.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
No, I was younger than that.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Maybe not fourteen. It might have been fifteen. Wow much,
But we got married. We got married the day after
I turned eighteen.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
And why did we do that?

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Well, because in the movie this part was right.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yes, you did want to ask my dad if you
could marry me, and you did go outside and take
a walk by the swimming pool, and you did say
I would like to marry your daughter.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
And my dad said that's not going to.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Happen, yes, because mom was a Catholic and you came
from a family of seven divorces. And dad thought, there's
no way this hippie preacher will ever be able to
support my daughter. And so he said no, yes, and
you said, well, she's going to be eighteen in January

(07:39):
and we are going to get married.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, here's this scene from the movie so they can
see what happened.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
Look, mister Martin, I know that you may not approve
of everything that Kathy and I are doing, but I
just think that it may be because you don't understand
it really And what I want you to know is
that it's real. It really is. And I've got plans
for my life, sir, and I just I want Kathy.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
To be part of that. Greg, I don't understand it,
and I don't need to, so long as you understand
that you are never going to marry my daughter.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Sure, I think that you're prematurely judging me.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Just listen to the answer is no, and the sooner
you accept that, the better.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Okay, Okay, Now, let's go to the last scene in
the movie where I officially proposed to you. And you
remember this scene and a lot of people say this
is their favorite scene. And Greg and Kathy a broken
up at this point, and Greg's come to his senses

(08:42):
and realizes he wants to marry Kathy. So he goes
to your house and he walks in and then he
proposed us so before we see this scene, is this
true or false?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
It is not quite accurate though, No.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
But I wanted to ask you if you still mean
what you said the other day, but what you.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Want with others?

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Because I got really big plans, kathy, hopes and dreams.
I've got goals, and I want to do it with
you together, you and I because I get you, I
need you, I want you.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
And I love you.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yeah, like a lot.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
And so what what what is this? Is this your
way of proposing to me?

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Uh m hmm.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
What would you say if it was now? I would
say that if you ever get.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
In the way of me and God between us.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
So it's your way of saying yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I didn't really go to your house and do it. No.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
We were driving home from we had gone to a
summer camp, a family camp that Calvery Chapel used to
do in the summer up a night a while, and
everybody would get food poisoning.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Because food was terrible. But we had a lot of fun, which.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Is a good way to lose weight. Though I wouldn't
do it intentionally, but.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
We didn't need food poisoning.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
You'll lose a little weight maybe, so.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
It's ill yeah, but I don't think you did not
need to lose weight.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
That was very skinny.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Back then, you had a very flat stomach. Yeah, I
was jealous.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Notice that's past tense. Had it could have been to
have but you said had past tense. I don't have
a flat stomach anymore.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Well, I don't have a lot of things I have
back then either, as you were back then.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
No, no, dot, Like, here's a picture of you when
I first met you, and here you are now. You
don't look that different. However, look at this, here's what
I look like, and now here I am now Okay,
So it's like Franklin Graham said, what happened to you
and Kathy? It's like he went under a power pole
and she got frozen in time and you're aging accelerated.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
That's Franklin, dear dear friend Franklin.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
He just doesn't keep those inside thoughts inside.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
So we were we were at summer camp, and we
had broken up and gotten back together again in no
time times.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, it was a two and a half or so
year courtship and a lot of big time breakups. I
don't want to see your face again. Don't call me anymore. So,
but after that third time, it was it was getting
more and more apparent to me. At that point, I thought,
you know what, there is something here and we cannot

(12:10):
live without each other. We got to figure out how
to live with each other. But so we're driving home
from camp and I remember you saying, So, what did
you say?

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Tell them?

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Well, I guess we're going to get married?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Well, I didn't propose properly. I didn't get done on
one knee. I didn't even I don't think I even
had the ring. I just said, well, I guess you're
going to get married someday.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, back in those days, I don't see. I look
at the way kids do it today, and I look
at how much focus there is on planning the perfect
destination wedding, and it is a fortune. They spend so
much money on the wedding, and I don't think they
spend enough time thinking about what is going to be

(13:01):
like being married.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
After the wedding, you know, two hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
It was a kiftie one. It was nothing. Everything was
free and it was you know, but it was cool.
It was just a classic wedding of that time. So
we got married, and do you remember what happened on
our wedding day? Were standing in front of pastor Chuck Smith.
I wish they'd put this scene in the movie because
I think it's a classic scene. You know, there's been

(13:29):
some talk of a potential sequel to Jesus Revolution, and
if there is, I hope this scene is in it.
And basically what happened is we're standing there, Chuck is
taking us to the vows. And first I need to
preface this by saying, people to this day will come
up to you and call you Laurie, not Kathy. Oh hi, Laurie,
because your last name is Laurie. Your first name is Kathy.

(13:51):
And so Chuck had done then in the past, called
you Lauri instead of Kathy. So the wedding is completed,
he's not going to pronounce us, you know, man and wife,
and he says, I now pronounced that Greg and Laurie
are men and wife. And I left so hard.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Absolutely, and you cut my veil didn't come off, but almost.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, I know you I slap my names.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, why do you slap your knee when you're left?
That's real. But so here's the secret to marriage. We've
been married fifty years. Marry yourself. That's what I.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Did, Greg, No married You married the opposite than yourself.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
You are the opposite.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
I am the like opposite to you.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
In every way to this day. We have irreconcilable differences.
We have had irreconcilable differences for fifty years. So when
I hear people say, oh, we can't stay together, we
have a reconcilable difference. As I think every I have
many irreconcilable differences. You're always on time, usually early. I'm

(14:54):
always late.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Oh that's not the way it is, Greg, You have
no idea how close to on time I am. Compared
to some girls, I'm pretty good. I'm not early, but
most of the time I am on time.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Sometimes have to time. Kitty were leaving in an hour, Kathy,
were leaving in forty minutes. We're leaving in thirty minutes,
twelve minutes, ten minutes. And then you were late one day.
I go, why weren't you in time? You said you
didn't killt me. Now I have to count you down.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yes, you do, okay.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Like the chefs and when they're preparing food, they say
time time.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
You think for a moment about somebody watching this. Let's
say a young lady in particular is watching this and
she's thinking, I want to get married one day. What
advice would you give her?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
So first and foremost, at least in my mind, and
it's worked out pretty well, I would say, find somebody
who loves Jesus as much, if not more, than you do,
because we do have so many differences. We disagree about
a lot of things. You like watching the same TV

(16:02):
shows and the same music, and I'm completely and I
like it, yes, and I know what those things are.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
But differences. We have those differences.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
But the one thing that we have that has held
us together is we have a focus on wanting to
know and to please Jesus with everything that we are.
And someone once said way back when, it's kind of
like being at the three points of a triangle that
here you are and here I am, but we're both

(16:35):
pulling towards Jesus, and that keeps us coming back together
again and again and again.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
So your advice is find a person more godly than you,
and then anything else, or or someone who their opposite
to you. They don't have to be you don't have
to agree on everything, but on the main things that
that's I think the reason it's so important to find
someone who shares your faith because realistically marriage is hard enough.

(17:03):
So and you are going to have disagreements. But what's
important is we agree with what the Bible says. So
this is how we'll make our decision. Ultimately, God says this,
and that's what we're going to do. If you know,
one person is of a different faith, and you know
that's going to create a lot of more or no
faith at all, no faith at.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
All, you know, And then you think down the road,
if you have children, who's going to be training those children,
and what is the right way to believe, and whether
to believe in God or not to believe in God,
whether church is a priority. And community is going to
be what you know, the people you hang out with
at work or at the gym, I mean, you know,

(17:41):
our community that has been there for us.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Nowadays, people are so much online. They're not even communicating anymore.
They don't even know how to have a conversation. Everything
is texting. They didn't want to call on the phone.
They actually I'll just text.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
You, you know well, And I think part of the
problem too today is that people are putting off marriage.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Always we sound like old people the problem today I
remember in the old day. Yeah, a lot of that,
But it's true.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I think the expectation to try to find the perfect person.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Is impossible because I'm taken now. Next subject. No, yeah,
there is no perfect person, and you change. I've jokingly said,
you know, I've been married to seven different women. People
are usually shocked when I say that, And funny enough,
they've all been named Kathy, and even more interesting, they
all spell their name the same way because you're spelling
into usual c atch e kat he.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
But because you're not this caty, I've never heard that.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Some people call me kithe because you know.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
But my point is you're not the same person I'm married,
and I'm not the same person you married.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Well, you are kind of. You have often said people change,
but not all that much. That's true, and I've.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Also said people become a more exaggerated version of themselves.
It's true.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
I think God brings us together. He says that Eve
would be his help meet, and we're alike and we're opposite,
and that's necessary to help one another to grow and
to become more christ Like. And so I think the
purpose of marriage is to you cannot see yourself as

(19:26):
you really are.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
You need somebody with a different vantage point to help
you see yourself and help you see.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
The things about yourself that need to get changed a
little bit fixed.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
A girl that says, you know, this guy is really
rough around the edges, I'm going to fix him.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Well, that's not necessarily your primary role. It's God's role
to fix him, but you are definitely going to play
a part in helping him.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
That's what helped me.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Means you know that I've come alongside you and you
have come alongside me. I mean, we have found that
to be extremely important that even in the rough times,
the times where we couldn't agree, that the Bible gave
us a structure and an order in which I was
to follow you, follow your.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Lead, trust you. I think so many times now.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
You're actually saying the husband is to be the primary
leader in the marriage. That's very controversial.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
That's a heavy responsibility. It's very true a spiritual leader
of the family to take responsibility as provider and protector. Yes,
and that I am to come alongside you in every
way that I can, and that I am there also
to contribute, but not primarily to provide and protect, but

(20:45):
to build a home and a nest and a family.
And you know, someone has to plan the birthday parties
and someone has to, you know, plan the meals, and
someone has to And I absolutely love that role. And
I know there are a lot of women who do
work and have careers outside the home. But when you
look at how family is structured and how it flourished,

(21:05):
best is when the husband is taking his role as
spiritual leader seriously and the wife is cheering him on
and encouraging him to take that lead. If you're always
there criticizing and correcting and usurping that authority, he may
never grow into the leader that God wants him to be.
And on top of that, he may withdraw all together,

(21:28):
and then you're left with running the show yourself, which
is really a bad situation as well.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Very interesting, the Bible specifically says to the wife. Wives,
It does say you should love your husband, but it
also says respect your husband. And then the Bible specifically
says to husband's husbands, love your wives. It's not to
say that wives should not love their husbands and husbands
should not respect their wives, but it is to say

(21:53):
the Bible uses specific words, and I think sometimes we're
kind of reading each other's mail. Hey, the Bible says
you should do this, where we should really read our
own mail. And I think that men do need respect,
you know, men, I think in general, I'm going to
speak for all men now on earth, but I think
I can speak someone generally and say, you know, men

(22:15):
don't need that much. They actually just need to be affirmed.
They need to know their valued, that what they do
is noticed and instead of always because if you're always
telling a guy what he's doing wrong and you never
tell him what he does right, that's bad. But then
coming to the guys towards the girls, love your wives.

(22:37):
A woman needs love, a woman needs to be affirmed,
and so these are things that we need to focus
on doing and constantly focused.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, I think the greatest thing a husband can do
for a wife is to let her know that she
is number one in his heart and that she has
his devotion and affection.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I think for men, receive you are number.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
One in my heart and you have my affection.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
And you know what, Greg, you have proved that to
me over the decades, fifty years and counting, you have
shown me that I am the highest human priority in
your life.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Thank you. Let's just end the podcast. Now.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
One thing that Greg, I think really we did right,
and that is despite the fact that we were from
very different backgrounds, very different upbringing, very different social standing.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
I had no I don't know manners.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
I was.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
I feel like I was raised by wild wolves. And
I went to your house and you know, everything is
so orderly and the way the meal is served and
you know that, and I'm just sort of there. It
was very different.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
It was very different. But one thing that.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
After coming to Christ, we took the Bible at face
value and that that was God's instruction for us. And
so it never would have occurred to us as Christians
to ever live together before we were married, to to

(24:18):
live and conduct our lives the way that the whole
culture was moving even at that time. I mean, we've
reaped the whirlwind of that. But what we've seen in
culture today and even in the Church today is more
and more Christian couples that have decided, for economic reasons,
tax reasons, whatever it is, they have decided that living

(24:44):
together is an okay thing without being in the bonds
and commitment of marriage.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
What do you think about that.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
I think it's I think it's a big mistake. And
you know, the Bible says, you know, for this causual
im and leave his father and mother, be joined his wife,
and the two will become one flesh. It's your and
making a public commitment to a man to a woman
for life. Wedlock should be a padlock. And living together

(25:15):
is a great way to sabotage your marriage instead of
having a trial run. You know. Some might think or oh,
it's like test driving a car. No, it isn't, because,
first of all, if you're having sexual relations, which most
likely would be happening if you're living together, you are
committing fornication. That is a sin. And the Bible is
very clear about this. It's on multiple occasions says that

(25:39):
is a sin. Okay, so you're committing continuous sin before
you're married. I've read actually studies that have been done
that have revealed that people that live together have a
far higher divorce rate than those that wait until marriage
and just get married. So, you know, because it's kind
of like, you know, you can bail at any time, right,

(26:01):
Oh well, you know, if I'm kind of tired of
this and they just walk away, and people do it
all the time and they have children and you know,
and listen, I live this. I live this in real
time with my mother. I think one of the good
things that came out of my childhood was I didn't
want to live that life. And I saw what divorce
did to my mother. I saw what divorce did to

(26:21):
me as a child, and you know, and my mom
married a divorced guy, She lived with guys, she did
like everything you shouldn't do, and so in a way,
it was sort of like, don't do this. But just
to kind of put a bow on it, it's outside
of God's order. It's never acceptable. I don't care if
there's financial benefits or whatever other justification you come up with.

(26:46):
If you are two people in a home having sexual
relations and you're not married, you're living in sin and
God will not bless that period. And not only that,
as I said already, you're actually sabotaging a marriage in
the future. So it's like the worst thing you could do.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, because and not only that, but if you think
that living together is a child run, it is not
the same as once you have made that firm commitment
and made a covenant before God and before your family
and legally that you are going to stay together. You
are making these vows to one another, and just living
together is not the same experience. And you're right that

(27:28):
the statistics show that most couples that live together do
not end up staying together.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
That's right, Okay, So let's shift cares and explore your
very interesting childhood. So we met in Long Beach, California
when I was speaking at the Little Bible Study. As
you mentioned, interestingly, we were both born in Lung Beach, California,
and yet but you went all around the world and
I went all around the United States in between those times.

(27:55):
So how did that happen? Why?

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Well, my father, after he got out of the service
back in World War two, bavy, he graduated from USC
and took a job with Standard Oil and I think
it was called Standard Vacuum at that time, and they
were hiring single men to go work in the Far East,
and he had spent time in the South Pacific in
the Navy and decided that that he would like to

(28:19):
do that. So he ended up going to the Philippines
and he.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Was is that where he met your mother, That's where
he met my mom. Your mother Pilar my mother.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Pilar Pilar Gonzales Lao.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
So my mother is Spanish descent and half Spanish, born
and raised in the Philippines, and she met my dad
and they got married and we lived there well ever
since I was born. So I was born in Long Beach,
but we were taking a little side trip to the
US and that's when I was born. But we went
back to the Philippines and I lived there until I
was seven years old, and then a very strict Roman

(28:56):
Catholic upbringing. My dad was not a Roman Catholic, but
we did attend church every Sunday and did all the
all the things.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
That we were supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
And then at seven we moved to Thailand and lived
in Thailand in Bangkok for a number of years, and
then we moved from there. We came to the US
and we lived in Princeton, New Jersey. My dad worked
in New York City and he would take a train
in every day, and so I experienced a little bit
of what it was like to live in the US.

(29:28):
And then from there my dad returned to the Far
East and worked in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia, and it
was there that that was about sixth grade, seventh grade,
right around the time that the whole cultural revolution took place,
and it so it hits you over there, it reached
us over there.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yeah, and so you were Okay, so you have three
sisters and one brother, and so you were in the
middle and you were being.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Influenced by my two older sisters Marian Dooti.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah, saying too, that were with you at that little
Bible step.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, my oldest sisters began to experiment with drugs when
we were living in Southeast Asia.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
And old were they when that happened.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
My oldest sister was finishing high school.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Okay, And how were you when you first started experimenting
with drugs? Fourteen? Wow? I just talked to a young
man the other day. And you know, the culture of today,
what kids are dealing with. The drugs are more potent,
they're more readily available, and then you have the weird

(30:41):
phenomena of social media that amplifies everything. And it's sort
of like we've taken a lot of the things that
we did back in those days and you've like amplified
it and you just see the devastating effect, devastating effect
it has on kids today. But so you guys were
going down the wrong roads together. So you're fourteen years old,

(31:05):
you're using drugs. These sweet little girls that were all
dressed alike when you would go in flights together and
so mannerly, raised so well by your mom and dad,
are now beginning to rebel, like your parents don't even
know where you're going at what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
The whole drug culture was really.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
It was mind blowing, seriously, you know, for having been
raised and very conservative and very structured upbringing, going to
church every Sunday many times, to the Latin Mass.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Never really you want to be a nun at some point.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, but I was kind of obsessed with the TV
show The Flying Nun. Yes, the Flying Nuns, and I think,
you know, yeah, anyway, I like their little veils.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Well she had that cool thing and she'd fly literally.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Well anyhow, never having experienced anything spiritual, I was just
kind of going through the motions. I made my first
Holy communion, I did my first confess. I went to
church every Sundy.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
My mom was very.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Very strict, so but outside of doing things on Sunday morning,
I just felt like.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Well, if Jesus is who he.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Said he was, and maybe it was, you know, more
than a historical figure. And maybe he did do miracles,
and maybe people did hear God speak to them personally
and audibly.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
I certainly have never met anyone who has.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
And so when the drug culture came, there was this
promise of enlightenment and almost an experience with God. And
I think there's a little bit of a difference. We were
getting high to necessarily party and escape. We were getting
high because we thought there was some deeper truth, some
deeper experience, and you know, we're following the Beatles and

(32:53):
we're following all this stuff, and so there was there
were those experiences, but they were always tied to the drugs,
and you'd come down, you'd come off the drugs, and
then you're back to your ordinary life, and that was that.
And so there was a great deal of even after
having just done that for a year. So there was

(33:14):
a great deal of emptiness that I had experienced.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
And so then.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
One spring day we moved back to California. My dad
finished his career with Standard Oil and he was going
to be transitioning to a different career. I was at
a high college campus with my sister Mary, who had
started college at that time, and we were getting high
on the lawn thinking we were going to go in
and see a rock concert at the student lounge. So

(33:45):
of course we're sitting on the front lawn, the five
of us girls, waiting for the concert to start, and
we were smoking pot and these guys came walking up
to us. And it was pretty typical in those days
that when someone would approach you and you're getting high,
it's just like everybody shared everything. So I was expecting

(34:06):
them to just sit down in the circle and get
high with us, but they didn't. They stood outside the
circle and they said, we said, do you want to
get high? And they said, no, we don't do that anymore.
And then I said, well, why don't you do that anymore?
And they said because we found something better. And I said, well,
oh yeah. So I'm sitting there standing and I'm looking

(34:28):
up at these hippie guys and I'm saying, oh yeah, well,
what was it that you found that was better? And
they said, a relationship with God through Jesus Christ? And
I was like, Jesus Christ, are you serious, the historical
Jesus you have a relationship with him? And this connection
with God, I mean, that's not I never met anybody

(34:51):
in my entire life that ever said anything like that
to me. So I was intrigued. But at the same time,
I was skeptical, and I had pretty much never had
a sense of a connection with God or spirituality. I mean,
I had heard the stories of saints and miracles and
all of that. And that's the one thing the Catholic

(35:12):
Church does teach that I'm grateful for, is that Jesus
really was God, come to earth in flesh, died on
the cross, and rose from the dead. And so I thought,
you know, maybe back then two thousand years ago, but
not today, And you're telling me you know this today.
And then I started to laugh, and I think that

(35:34):
the reaction was.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
A strange kind of laughter.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
I have to be totally honest with you that as
I started to laugh, I put my hands over my face.
And now, when you're high, you get silly and you
start laughing, And there was an aspect of that that
was going on. But there was another thing that happened
to me. As I had my hands over my face
and I was laughing, a thought occurred to me. And

(36:01):
it was the first time in my life I had
ever had any sense of eternity.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Or something spiritual.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
And I had really tried getting high meditating. I had
heard people have out of body experiences and all of
that kind of spiritual stuff going on, and I tried,
but it never had happened for me. But at that moment,
as I was laughing, this very dark moment where I'm

(36:30):
laughing at what they're saying and I'm laughing at them,
a thought occurred to me, almost like a lightning bolt,
And this thought came to me, and it was, you
are on your way to hell, and what they're saying
is holy and true, and you need to listen to them.
And I'm telling you talk about like sobering up. And

(36:51):
all of a sudden, it was like I put my
hands down and I looked up and said, okay, so
what do.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
I need to do?

Speaker 5 (36:58):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (36:58):
And they told me.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
It was And I will say I had girlfriends we
do something naughty, and they'd say, oh, let's go pray
before the crucifix and asked Jesus to forgive us of
our saying sum. And I would stand back and I
would watch and I would just think, why are you
doing that? It's just a cross on my wall that
my mom put there and they had some conviction of
their sin. I never had a sense of that ever

(37:23):
in my life until.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
That moment, and that's when I gave my life to christ.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Turned out that rock concert was a Christian rock concert.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I think it was a Christian band called a Gape.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
It was a.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Hard rock, very hard rock band, Yeah, that played in
the student lounge at Long Beach City, which was a very.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Cool thing of that era where there was this thinking,
let's go out everywhere and engage people with the gospel,
and you were reached on a campus, a college campus.
I was reached on a high school campus. And I
think we need to see more of that today, people
going out where people are in evangelizing them and not.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Ever underestimating the power of the Holy Spirit to bring
to life a dead conscience, you know, and and have
an encounter with the supernatural. I think that all of
our college campuses today, and you hear about it more
and more frequently, is a fascination with the occult and

(38:25):
people looking for a connection with something supernatural, and you know,
there I heard someone say that the whole New atheist
movement is dying and death on college campuses, that most
people if they're at all not Christian and following Jesus.

(38:46):
They are playing and toying around with the occult, whether
it's Buiji boards, or whether it's seances, whether it's the
astrology charts and all of that. Yeah, tyrole cards, that
kind of thing that people are really hungry and thirsty for.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Someday as I will.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Side a warning to stay away from those things. Oh
I read my astrology, call him every morning, or I
like to play with the terror cards or you know,
Auegi board or whatever. These are dangerous things. These are
doorways to darkness and the you know you don't want
to go down these roads. These are not little toys

(39:25):
to play with. Their deceptions from Satan, who is described
in the Bible as an angel of light. He doesn't
always come in as degravity. He comes oh with this
enlightening thing, or this is going to help you be
a better person or be really pleasurable. And he's just
a liar. He's the father of lies. The Bible says,

(39:45):
So let's shift gears now, So you've come to Christ.
That I've come to Christ. We get married, I marry myself,
and so we have our first son, Christopher, and were
you prepared to be a mother at the age of nineteen.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
I was probably the least prepared person in the world
because I was raised by nannies my mom. My mom
didn't even nurture and feed us and bade us when
we were little. We had nannies that took care of us.
And so, you know, when we when we got married,
and here's another thing, it's like culture today is putting

(40:23):
off having children. It's like, you know, let's let's wait
until we're more financially stable.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Let's wait until we were far from financially.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
We were at poverty level actually starting the church. Yeah,
but we made it work.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
And so.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
After we'd been married for six months, it was like, well,
let's have a baby. You know what's next. And so, yeah,
we did have Christopher, and I remember.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
It was a very ounces yeah. Yeah, yeah, I remember
when after he was born, I was all excited and
we went home and I sat down and thought, I
don't know the first thing about being a father because I'd.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Never had a father, And say that to me. I
was like, because I felt the same way. We went
from the hospital to my mom's house and the nanny
that took care of me actually was still living with
my mom and dad, and I've sort of reverted back
to being a child again, and someone else is taking

(41:30):
care of the baby now. But three days later, you
said we need to go home, and so we packed.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Up with your parents again.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
It was very secure compared to the crazy world we
were living in. But we drove from Long Beach back
to Riverside and I remember listening to John Denver in
his music and I cried the whole way. I knew
I was going through a little bit of postpartum depression,

(42:01):
and I had worked for an obgyn for a little
period of time as a back office nurse, so I
had a sense of what was happening to me hormonally
and so forth, but nothing really prepared me for the
way I felt just completely at sea, you know, overwhelmed
with the thought and the responsibility of a little one.

(42:24):
And no, you were you were great. I would be
crying all day long, but you were great.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
I thought, You're like this.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I wasn't having that postpartum.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
We managed, We managed.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
You know, three well. I think not having a father
it made me. It's funny because you know, instead of
wanting to just well, I don't know what I'm doing whatever.
I really began to read, you know, get great Christian
books like books by James Dobson and others. How to
be a parent. I talked to people who are parents
to ask them out of questions, and I actually wanted

(42:54):
to be the best father possible I did. Speaking of Dobson,
I did hear him say once every parent owes their
first child in apology, and I thought, that's kind of funny,
because you know, when you're doing it for the first time,
you probably overdo everything a little bit. And I know
that I did tend to spoil Christopher. I think I

(43:16):
wanted to give him the child good I did not
have right. One time we went to a toy store.
I go, Christopher, let's go to a toy store. And
we're at Star Wars without the first time, so this
is early seventies, and I said, pick up for yourself
a figure, a Star Wars figure. So he's looking at
you know, Luke Skywalker and Han Solo and Boba Fett

(43:38):
and all these characters, and he goes then I picked
it out, and he picks out Han Solo, and then
I said, how about this to go with it? And
I got the Millennium falcon off the top shelf, which
was giant, and we came home with all of these toys,
and You're just like, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I know, because although we had money growing up, we
never got toys like that.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Now and I really couldn't even afford it. But I
just wanted to give him these things, you know, because
I guess I didn't have those things. And I wanted
him to know he had a father, yeah, who loved him.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Well, he did. He had a great dad.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
And you provided not just toys, you provided guidance and teaching,
and you brought him up in the way of the Lord.
And he was a very very happy little boy, and
he loved you, as does our other son, Jonathan. And
I think that was the one thing that my mom
saw because they were very concerned, just like in the movie.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
They did not want me to marry you.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
They were very concerned about your background, that you know,
what kind of a husband, what kind of a father
were you going to be, having had no great examples
growing up. And my mom told me that the first
time she realized that you were different was when Christopher
was born in the hospital and she watched the way
you looked at me when I was in labor, and

(44:59):
how much you loved me, and how much you loved
that little boy. And so yeah, that was the beginning
of a huge shift in my mom and they both
came to absolutely love and appreciate you. And my mom
said a thousand times to me, I so misjudged Greg. Well,
well you are a changed person, you know, And you know,

(45:21):
God can take people out of really rough circumstances. You
may not have had a great example at home, you
may not have had a great father, but God is
a great father, yes, and the scriptures give us a
lot of guidance, and if we will come with our
broken lives, he begins to put us back together again
in the.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Best possible way.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
I think. If you know, sometimes people will excuse their
behavior because they say, well that that's the way it
is in my family, you know, word all this way,
or alcoholism runs in our family, divorce runs in our family,
et cetera. Well maybe it does, but you know, well
it's a generational curse. There's no generational curses, but there

(46:02):
can be repeated behavior. The Bible says the sins of
the peer parents can be visited on the children that
doesn't mean it's some nebulous curse on your family. You
have nothing to say about. What it means is if
you keep doing the bad things that were done to you, yeah,
that can be passed on. But the good news is
righteousness can be passed on. Now, we each have to

(46:22):
make our own commitment to Christ. But you can pass
on righteous principles and say, no, this is the way
we do it in our family now, because if any
men be in Christ is an altogether different kind of person.
All things that passed away behold, God says, and make
everything fresh and news. So you know, I think he
can break the cycle of absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
And I heard it once said that there are three
things that make us who we are. There's our genetics,
there's our environment. But this one, very wise doctor A. E.
Wilder Smith, he said this, and I've never forgotten it.
There's a third component, and that is the power of
the Holy Spirit that makes us who we are. And
that you know, he, like you said, in Christ, all

(47:07):
things pass away and all things become new. You don't
have to be the person that perhaps your father was,
or your mother was, or your environment brought you up
in you know, you can make a break and the
power of the Holy Spirit is there to help you
do that.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
You need to just ask, you.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Know, and then look at the things that the Scripture
lays out. I mean, God gives us his guide book
for living. He didn't leave us without instructions. And you know,
we all, Oh, I can't read the Bible. It's too complicated.
Let me tell you. Okay, fine. There may be passages
and portions of the Scripture that are difficult to understand,
especially when you get to apocalyptic literature. Maybe leave that

(47:44):
for when you get a little more mature in the Lord.
But there is so much there that is on the
surface that is clear and understandable that you can take
and build your life and your family, your marriage, all
of these things, all of society and culture would benefit
if people would read their Bibles and apply the things
that God tells us to do.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
With them, right, I think, you know, like it's sort
of like at first you build the walls of your marriage,
and that builds the walls of the culture and ultimately
the nation. Are you can almost trace every problem in
America today to the breakdown of the family and specifically
the absence of fathers. Let's talk for a moment about

(48:26):
masculinity and femininity, and since you're a woman, tell us
what femininity is and what a girl should aspire to
because they're getting a lot of false information fed to them,
you know, And so what is the model they should

(48:46):
aspire to?

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Well, again, I go right back to the scripture.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
I mean, what I think and what my opinions are,
and my experiences may have some value or may have
no value. What I found to be absolute bedrock truth
that I have proven and tested in my own life
is that what God's instructions are for women and his
definition of what is a woman. Going all the way

(49:12):
back to the book of Genesis, we see how woman
was created in a different way than men were. Adam
was created out of the dust of the ground. He
was created out of the field. God formed him and
breathed into him and gave him the breath of life.
And through that whole creation narrative in Genesis, we see

(49:36):
that Adam was alone. Everyone else, every other creature that
God made had a partner and a counterpart. And Adam
was alone. And God said, it is not good that
man should be alone. So he put Adam to sleep
for a minute, and he created Eve out of his rib,
out of his side. So men are different. They are

(50:00):
created from dirt, from dust. Look at a boy, get
most boys and you will see this is there's a
roughnesses round as they were created in a different way.
Eve was created within the confines of the garden. She
was created from his side. She is there as a

(50:22):
part of who he is. And God was the one
who brought the woman to the man.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
First of all, were different, male and female different.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
So this whole idea will not interchange.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I'm a woman trapped in a man's body, vice versa.
I'm going to go have this surgery and I'm going
to become a woman. A man says, or or the
woman says, I'm going to become a man. This is
just such just I mean, even where we're having the
discussion about what a woman is what a man is,
it's so obvious.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
And they're introducing that it is what you want it
to be, that you can define that all the way
in kindergarten, these children are being introduced this idea. And
I don't know about you, Greg, but there were many
times as an adolescent girl that I felt like this

(51:18):
is so bizarre. I don't like, what's happening to me?
I don't like this, especially for a female. I mean,
boys that go through puberty, they come out on the
other side and it's a pretty steady line after that.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Girls.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Again, our bodies are so different than yours. We are
so much more complex, I like to think of it.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
We are more finely tuned.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
We go through a lot and during that period of adolescence,
I mean that is, your emotions and your thoughts can
be so scrambled, and to introduce to a child that
those feelings should be trusted, that you could take surgical
action based on what you might feeling, and you know,
you just want to say to parents and to kids,

(52:08):
that is not going to help you if you and
the science is proving it. And the outcome of these
kids that have gone through these surgical transitions, they are
just as suicidal.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
I feel sometimes this is the parents. The parents. I
don't know why they would do this, but it's interesting
when you look in Hollywood and see how many children
of celebrities are identifying as trans Why such a high percentage,
And I think one of the reasons is it's almost
a form of virtue sigling. Look at how open I are.

(52:41):
I am, you know how liberated I am that. Oh
I'm not gonna you know, I'm gonna let my boy
dress up like a girl or vice versa, maybe even
encourage that, and then to actually have a parent, you know, okay,
and go along with a surgery, a life altering surgery.
We watched it documentary the other day which showed what

(53:03):
happens when they do the surgery, and I before like.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
A horror show.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
It was horrifying, and you'd think to mutilate a child
who doesn't know any better, who's looking to the parent
to guide them, that these difficult rough waters abouto lessons
and then they have this permanent surgery and then deliver
with that the rest of their lives. It's to me,
these parents, how irresponsible even evil it is?

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Well, I think that's the I think that's the word evil,
because I mean, when you really stop and look at
these things that are going on that have never gone
on at any other time.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
A phenomena, a recent phenomena.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
All I can think of is what what we are
told in scripture, and that in the last days there
would be satanically energized times, there will be phenomena that
we've never seen before, and deceptions and delusions that are
being spread. You know, we're told that the devil comes

(54:03):
to he lies.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
He steals, he kills, he destroys.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
And what better way to destroy God's beautiful creation and
plan of redemption for mankind than to begin to introduce
the lie that that we can decide for ourselves. Just
like Eve was tempted in the garden, you will be
as God's knowing, making your own definitions of good and evil.
But Greg, I mean, so many of these things that

(54:30):
are happening that are just absolutely unheard of in history.
Don't you think that we are living truly in the
last days? And these kids and even you know how
how these the confusion and the message is being propagated
on our phones on self contagion, but they the depression

(54:54):
among young girls that are on social media too much
or looking at you know, all this stuff that goes on,
all the bullying that goes on the side rate among
young people is unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
And I was so excited when the first iPhone came out,
But boy, I tell you now, when I look at
what it's a portal.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
To so many things, it is truly Pandora's Box.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
If there would be a way to raise a teenager
without a cell phone, it could be a game changer.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I think it was Steve Jobs who didn't even allow
his children to have cell phones.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Yeah, makes sense. Okay, so let's put a bow on it. Okay,
we're talking about women, we're talking about femininity, and you're
talking about the unique way that women were created in
contrast to men, who you described as being created out
of dirt and they like to play in dirt. Now,
so a young girl's listening to this right now, and

(55:53):
she's getting all this information from everything from TikTok to
teen Vogue to this to that to her peers, and
most of it false information, like you need to be
highly sexualized to be appealing to a guy. And then
you have platforms like only Fans where girls are monetizing, uh,

(56:13):
the their bodies and being exploited so often. And so
let's give them a good biblical girls, this is what
you should aspire to tell them, Kathy Lourie, because you
are that person.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Well, it's really amazing how the scriptures say the older
women are to teach the older women to be chased,
to be modest, to be keepers at home, to love
their husbands.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Chase their children.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
What does chase mean?

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Chase means not chased as someone's chasing you, chased as
in living.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
A life that is morally upright, that goes in alignment.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
And those morals come from.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Where the scripture obviously.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Okay, when the Bible uses the word modest, does that
mean okay, young girls who wants to be fashionable? All
the girls that wear in this certain outfit? Uh can she?
Does she have to be? Oh? I can't wear anything fashionable,
like just sackcloth and ashes. That's a look. Now.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I think it's understanding too, how men's minds work. That
men are it does we come from dirty? It's what
they see with their eyes that can actually cause them
to be tempted to stand. Now, some guys, their minds
are in the gutter, and there's nothing you're going to
be able to do to.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Fix with lust after a tree.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
But the last thing in the world you want to
do is to be a stumbling block or cause some
young man to.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Lust after you.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
So dressing modestly and obviously culturally these things have shifted.
Once upon a time a woman would never show their ankles.
You know, so we know that there are some cultural
adjustments that can be made. But I think we all
know what is sort of the middle ground, the safe
ground that we are to occupy as women in society,

(57:56):
and that is to not put our bodies on display
to cause people to tempt them to sand to be
attractive is fine, you know, I mean we do want
people have to look at the outside of you.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Yeah, let's kind of take the opposite end of that now, okay,
Because when you look at the virtuous woman the problem
thirty one, you know, she's an entrepreneur, she buys a field.
You know, she's a physically active woman. Because there might
be some girls that would say, well, you know what,
that's worldly to be attractive, and bodily exercise doesn't profit

(58:29):
that much, the Bible says, and so they don't do
anything to make themselves attractive. And sometimes this might happen
after a marriage. And that's an extreme.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Too, isn't it. Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (58:42):
And you know, just because you're married doesn't mean that
you don't want to be attractive for your husband. You know,
you want to do the best that you can with
what you've got, you know, make the best of it.
So there's a balance to all of these things. And
the balance is often found in scripture, but also in
real life modeling of that. And that's why within the

(59:05):
church church and within our church, we have systems in
place and connections in place between older women and younger
women to help teach them and train them and to
guide them through these things. Because you know, when you're young,
you don't know, and neither do your friends. You know,
you're all in the same boat together. So find somebody

(59:25):
who's a little further down the road than you are
and is living the life that you think is admirable
and that is leading to a fulfilled and happy life,
and find that person and pattern yourself after that. You know,
just find find that place and learn to understand that

(59:45):
God's plans for us are so much better than our
plans for ourselves. If if God says don't do something,
it's for our own good.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
No good thing, We'll he withhold from those that walk uprightly.
So if God says no, that's not a good thing,
So it's good that he said no.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Those and walls of protection are important, that's right, And
so for women to know what those things are, what
God values most meek and quiet spirit that you know,
that heart that is devoted to him and loves and
serves is such a beautiful thing and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
The most important thing to realize.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
And the one thing I would like to say to
young girls now is when you're looking for that the
right guy, you know you're never going to find the
perfect guy. Find a godly man and don't think he's
ever going to be perfect. You're never going to be
perfect either, But find a godly man who's following after
the Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
And then don't delay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Getting married because you need to finish your college education,
or you want to have the big career, be in
the corporate world, or whatever you want to do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Don't put that off. I think one of the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Biggest lies that the feminist movement sold to my generation
was that put off having children, put off marrying, get
your career, get your education first, and then have that
come later. But unfortunately, what they aren't telling you is
the truth of the matter is your body is designed
to reproduce and have children ideally between the ages of

(01:01:25):
you know, twenty to maybe mid thirties, and then after
that you become what they call a geriatric pregnancy with
higher risks. So if you're thinking well, I'll just put
this off. Well, who knows how much longer you're going
to wait in order to have children. And we are
seeing a decline in population in this country, a decline
in population in the West in particular. And you know what,

(01:01:48):
there isn't going to be much of a world to
live in if we stop having marriages and stop having children.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
This is going to all fall apart pretty fast.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
And is that not also again part of the big
agenda that the enemy of our souls would like to perpetrate,
the lies that he would like to to propagate, especially
on young women and young men. And I think when
women begin to live as women ought to live, respecting
and allowing men to be men and to lead as men,

(01:02:22):
then we're going to start seeing guys be who they
are designed to be and stepping out. But as long
as we're standing over them, I'm smarter than you are.
I can do the job better than you can putting
them down, critiquing them. You know what is that doing
but emasculating what it is that God has created men
to be. And young boys need to cure this from

(01:02:43):
their mothers and from their father to be in courage
to be men.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
To go out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
I mean when they boys want it, why do they
fight with each other, Why do they get so physical?

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Because ultimately God wants boys to be able to protect
a home, to protect a family, to build and use
those skills in the right way. Now, we're not supposed
to them to go out and be bullies and beat
up on each other for no reason. But you know,
when they see injustice, if they want to step up
and say, no, this is wrong, I'm going to do

(01:03:14):
something about it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
We should encourage that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Be a man and do those manly things, and women
do the womanly things, do the right things, and let
society and marriages and families be put together the way
God designed.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Just look at our bodies.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
For crying out loud, women, you are not stronger than
a guy. He has designed men to be the ones
who go out and fight and protect and provide, go
out into the world, have their life in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
The field, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
You live your life in the beauty of a home
and in the confines of the creating. To me, the
love I love the aspect of seeing a woman who
who makes and cherishes family, builds traditions.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
She's the one who plans.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
The birthday parties, the celebrations remembers everybody's you know, anniversaries,
and that's you know that those are gifts that God
has given women and all of us benefit as a
result of it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
You should write a book about this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
I think I've said everything I want to say.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
No, that sounds to me like a book outline.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
What are the practical things that ay as your wife
can do that make you feel loved and respected and
like you're the most important, well human person in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
You know. There's a scene from Fiddler on the Roof
or Tea and I think his wife was Golden having
a discussion. Yeah, and there's that song do you love Me?
You know, and he's talking about how much he loves.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
And she says, do I love you?

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
Yea?

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
For thirty one years, I've cooked your food, I've cleaned
your clothes, I've kept your ouse.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
That's right, you say, do I love you? Exactly? And
so I think that's a really good point. And the
point of it is is that there's things that we
say and there's things that we do. And I know
that you love me because of all that you do
for me every day, and I'm dependent on you like
if you didn't feed me, I would just starve. I

(01:05:26):
would just sit and starve. I'd probably go and buy
some food somewhere. I would I like Taco bell, Oh
it's really good, but there's too many things on the
menu now and it's too complicated. But I go always
to fall back, Oh, being brito in Toco. But they
have all these things, new things. No, but I think

(01:05:48):
it's just doing those things. And like I said earlier,
I don't think guys need a lot, but they need some.
And it's easy, I think, to take a guy for granted.
So just to say periodically, thank you for what you do,
thank you for for being the man, you know, because
you want to be encouraged to be a man. And look,

(01:06:09):
I heard, you know about a conversation with a man
and a woman how we think differently. And the woman says,
why don't you stop and ask for directions when they
get lost? And the man hears her say, you're not
a man, you know. And then the woman says, let's
spend a lot of money, or let's redecorate the house,
and he hears her say, let's take a bunch of

(01:06:30):
money and plush it down the toilet or she says,
you need to get more in touch with your feelings,
and then he hears her say blah blah blah blah blah.
And then she says, are you listening to what I'm saying?
And he hears her say blah blah blah. So we
communicate differently, but I do think that you know, we
just need to be affirmed again. Wise, respect your husband,

(01:06:52):
and so I think the very fact that you asked
me talk about my weaknesses, no, I would not do that.
And here's why, because I'm there to protect you, and
if I see a weakness in you, I will tell
you you that personally, but I will not say that
publicly to anybody because I protect you. You know you're
under my protection, and I will only speak of you

(01:07:16):
in a positive way because that's loving as Christ loves
the church. And that's why I think when we have conflicts,
you know, you should never do it in front of people,
Never in front of the kids. The worst thing you
can do is argue in front of your children, and
even worse than that is ask them to take sites
Who's right? Mom or dad? Don't do that to a

(01:07:36):
poor child. But so work out your differences and you're
going to have differences, and that's okay. There's nothing wrong
with disagreeing, and there's not always not everything is right
and wrong. I mean, the Bible does number versa on
should you paint the house, you know, light blue or tan?
I mean in our home, I default to you. I say, look,

(01:07:58):
this is your home. I have an opinion. I think this,
but I let you make the decision for anything regarding
the home. And I say, but if it's anything involving
electronics or gadgetary, that's my domain. If we're going to
put a TV in, I will decide that I want to.
I'm interested in the tech, you know, but I let
you know. So I think you have to say this

(01:08:19):
is her domain, this is my domain, and we do
our job. I'm there as a protector, literally a protector.
If anyone would want to bring harm in my family,
I'm there to protect him, put my life on the
line if necessary. I'm there to be a provider. I
you know, the Bible believer in says that a man
does not provide for his home, he's worse than a

(01:08:39):
non believer. So my job is to always provide, but
not just provide physically and have food on the table
for you to cook so wonderfully as you do, but
to provide spiritual guidance, to provide the encouragement and divide
all the things that a man should do. And I
think that we just if we could just do what

(01:09:01):
God has designed is to do and stop listening to
the lies of this stupid culture. What does this culture
know about anything? You know? With marriages unraveling and culture unraveling,
and crime growing and all the things that are going wrong,
why would I ever listen to that for my advice?

(01:09:22):
Or Oh, let's look at that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
You better off doing whatever culture says, do the exact opposite.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Literally in many cases that would be true. Like so
and so many of us we look for cultural cues,
Oh this movie this, or I saw this on TikTok. Hey, listen,
a lot of these people just flat out have it wrong.
So we have an absolute source of truth, the Bible.
So that brings our podcast to a conclusion, Kathy, because

(01:09:48):
we've filled an hour and more, and I think we'll
do a part two and a part three, and we
have a lot more to talk about to share with folks,
But today this will be the end. So I'll give
you the closing word. What do you have to say
to all these people that were name.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Today, Well, don't give up, don't give up, be hopeful
with God. You can change slowly and sometimes it's hard,
but you can change, and you can see your marriage change.
Greg was we were talking about marriages. I just thought

(01:10:27):
of several marriages that are of dear friends that I
have who I think outsiders would have said you should leave,
you should just just bail on this, but they didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
You marry and George, Oh we shouldn't say that publicly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
There there is no marry in George.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
But people you know that that she could.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Have together and have lived to see children and grandchildren
and have come through on the other side. You know,
I heard the statistics are if you're planning to get
divorced and you will wait five years. Yes, and this
isn't even just for Christian couple, just wait five years.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Most of the time those things get resolved.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Yeah, it's we live in such instant gratification right now
that we want to see instant transformation and change.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
So you know, for all the.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Couples and all the ladies and guys and ones who
want to be married one ones who want to have
children and raise families and all of that. You'll be patient,
pray and ask God to bring that right person.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Let's just kind of I know we're closing, but let
me just ask this. Let's talk to a single guy
or a single girl, so God can call you the singleness.
Like Paul said, he that is married cares for the
things of his wife. That's not a criticism. It's an
observation and an accurate one. Obviously, Hey, you have to
care about your family. I can't just say, Kathy, I'm

(01:11:58):
going to you know, leave for three months and go
back back through Europe. No, No, I have responsibilities. Corey
tin Boom never got married, and she was greatly used
by God. And we could cite many examples of wonderful
people that God has used in special ways. So what
about a person who maybe is single and maybe they're
going to remain single. What about their life? Because we've

(01:12:19):
talked so much, right that find the person get married,
have children? Okay? What about someone that's not called of that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Jesus was the perfect human, yes, and he was never married.
And what I would say is that use your freedom, yes,
to pursue the things of the Lord and to serve
the Lord. My sister is single, and I look at
her life and how free she is, yes to serve

(01:12:49):
Jesus on so many levels.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
You secretly admire that, don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
I'm so grateful for her in my life and I
have seen how it's just she's living the most beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Fulfilled and happy life right now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
But another tip for those of you who are single
but would.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Like to be married, I would say the same thing.
Serve the Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Some of the best marriages that I've seen are two
people serving side by side that have fallen in love
with each other as they serve the Lord together.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
And I mean not even started with an attraction.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Yeah, you know, you go to the singles club or
the singles fellowship or whatever, and everybody's looking at each other,
and I think that's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Part of the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
But if you're serving Jesus, find a serve team at
the church, find a place to be useful, and as
you're serving, maybe there's somebody standing right next to you
who's serving Jesus in the same way that single and
that would be just such a beautiful thing to end
up doing that together, you know, helping each other to
go even further in your service and love for Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
That's right, okay, Well, thanks for joining us, and next
time we'll talk about more aspects of relationships and family
and a lot more. So thanks for watching or listening
however you took this podcast in and God bless you. Hey,
thanks for watching. Subscribe to my YouTube channel, follow me
on social media, and make sure you download the Harvest

(01:14:18):
Plus app because there you will find so much information
that we have for you that you'll love. So thanks
for watching.

All Episodes

The True Love Story Behind Jesus Revolution | Encore Greg & Cathe Laurie Open Up

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Crime Junkie

Dateline NBC

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}The True Love Story Behind Jesus Revolution | Encore Greg & Cathe Laurie Open Up