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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We got to talk some college football with Chipatterson of
cbssports dot com, CBS Sports Network on your televisions and
the Cover three Pod, the best college football podcast in
the land. We got Chip Patterson joining us fresh off
a whole bunch of breaking news in a crazy week.
Chip Patterson, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah, one heck of a week. I appreciate your flexibility
as always. Yeah, we were we were trying to figure
out man.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
It had not been finalized, but it got the point
where all this Matt Campbell conversation, you know, we just
we owed the Cover three audience at least to check
in so to react to the news and make sure
that they didn't go on into their weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So I appreciate your flexibility.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
We were live on YouTube YouTube dot com slash Cover
three talking about a fifty four day search coming to
an end.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So I mean again, school still needs to put out
a press release here. But Matt Campbell, I do think
is at least Penn.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
State landing in a decent spot, even if it took
them way longer than it should have, in a way
more complicated and embarrassing process than it should have to
get there.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I agree. I'm Also, if I'm Matt Campbell, I'm asking
for an extra year on my contract because you took
so long and it's now past the early signing day
that I think it knocks them back a year, puts
them in a hole in recruiting in a big way.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, that might be honestly why we don't have everything finalized.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It's just those last little leverage points.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Other things that have been brought up to me are
just sort of as the Big twelve and Iowa State
in particular are starting to see the rest of the
sport pull away. And I think there's Tom Fernelli on
the Cover three podcast with me earlier while we were live,
mentioned something that I.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Wasn't aware of, which I think the school is facing some.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Pretty significant budget deficit issues. Their nil head just stepped
away or retired from the athletic department. I mean, it's
just there were a lot of things to say that
if you were Matt Campbell, that this point to have
Penn State pull up and open the door and say
do you want to get in?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Given how successful he's been.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
There, unquestionably Iowa State's most impact full football coach in
the whole program's history. So I think for Matt Campbell,
a decent opportunity for him to be able to level
up into the Big Ten. You are one hundred percent
right that with zero signing class and a flood of transfers,
he is dealing with a very different, you know, Penn
(02:17):
State situation than if you had been hired it maybe
a month earlier. But I still think that for Campbell,
you're still getting a good coach. He's going to have
a certain style, recruit a certain type of player. It's
going to take maybe a little ramp up.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But we were looking at the schedule.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
They got a very manageable non con Next year. Once again,
you can clip a couple of Big Ten teams, then
they can be a Bowl.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Team and use that at the year one to build on.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
All Right, there's so much coaching news I want to
ask you about, but we don't have time for it all.
So I'm going to prioritize the big ticket items and
we'll see what else we can squeeze in the back half.
I had Manny Diaz on the show yesterday. He gave
me the same pitch that he's given everybody else about
why Duke deserves to be in the playoff if they
win the ACC title tomorrow. We know a seven and
five team being in the ACC title game is not
(03:02):
a great look. It's a very convoluted tiebreaker that helped
get them there. We were just looking up by the
way at ESPN. They've got Duke at a less than
one percent chance to make the playoff even if they win.
I think we all agree with that. What is the
best case, absolute best case scenario for the ACC this weekend?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You're I think you're missing something in Kyle. I'll come
around on this.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I two things.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Number One, this has got to be the most flexible.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Committee that we've seen in college.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Football playoff history, right yeah, I mean, just it's so
impressive their agility to go from one opinion to another.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
To value some wins and some losses that.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Varying degrees of importance, to celebrate that Alabama got out
to a seventeen to nothing lead against five and seven
Auburn and thinks that that was more impressive than going
on the road and beating a Pitt team that they
had ranked number twenty two.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Leave Miami steady, but move on balla Bama.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I mean, it's just remarkable the flexibility of these guys.
So that's number one too important on the mount rushmore
of playoff committees. This has got to be up there,
maybe with with fourteen and with twenty three. So they
could do whatever they want if Duke wins this football
game against Virginia, because here's the argument, you're ready because
(04:20):
Jim Phillips has been feeded to him. Duke would have
seven wins against Power conference teams. James Madison would have zero.
That Duke would have, yes, a seven to five record,
but it would also be out there having tested itself
against some of the best.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It's strength.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
The schedule would be inside of the top forty and
James Madison would not be able to compare with any
of these and certainly not change it by beating Troy.
And do you know what the tell was? The tell
was Iowa.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
They put Iowa in two spots.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Ahead of James Madison.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Not really, you know, inocuous, right, But Iowa's got an
eight and four record. So if they can.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Put Iowa with only eight wins two spots ahead of
James Madison, which has eleven, that they absolutely could start
to argue for an eight and five ACC champion. Duke
with a win against top twenty Virginia. I mean, stack
up the wins. Duke would have the better what four
five wins than James Madison. Yeah, just saying I have
(05:24):
come around on this, and maybe this is the insanity
that the College Football Playoff drives us to. But Kyle,
I'm just telling you, if Duke wins that game against
Virginia and I am asked to predict, which I'm sure
I might on Sunday morning, I will predict the Duke
is in the playoff, and I predict that it will
be strength to schedule number of wins against quality opponents
(05:45):
and that Duke has better wins.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Brother, It's crazy because you know, Manny has said multiple times.
The first time I heard him say it was on
the Arian and Andy podcast where he kept repeating an
ACC champion will never be left out of the playoff,
like he's certain of it in the way that he
says it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I mean, that's that's where you get into CFP and
on and conspiracy theory. And I just think a committee
that is as impressive as this one, with their flexibility,
you know, we can't we can't pin them down, you know,
to even think that they could just be stuck with
the same conspiracy in one season. I don't think it
could be carried out. They moved too much.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I love the way that you've handled this conversation, very
complimentary of the committee's flexibility, as you put a great
choice of word, Chip Patterson hanging out with us here
on a Friday. Other games we got, of course Ohio
State Indiana just a heavyweight matchup to twelve and OHO teams.
Georgia Alabama's a massive one. What do you think about
by the way, Georgia Bama both the game itself, but
also of course Bama jumping Notre Dame in the rankings
(06:44):
and everybody clamoring that the committee just said Alabama and
the SEC up for a mulligan.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, one hundred percent. It was. It was protect themselves
from BYU beating Texas Tech. BYU beats Texas Tech. BYU
is the big thief for this year in the College
Football Player Off, even though they are right on the
outside of the bracket, they would get bumped up. That
would bump whoever is in the ten spot out. So
they could not have Alabama in the ten spot. Can't
(07:10):
You can't have a team lose and move.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Up, especially at that point of the rank.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
It's just that is not going to be something they
could defend. So by moving Alabama up, they then put
Notre Dame on the chopping block, at which point that
really is some of the intrigues going into championship weekends.
If BYU wins, Notre Dame is out. I know there's
a lot of talk about, well, what if BYU drops
based on a blowout win. Now we're doing the Miami
Notre Dame thing. Not to me, it's very simple. If
(07:36):
BYU wins, Notre Dame is out. If BYU loses, Notre
Dame is in. That is my expectation in terms of
that seating. And for Alabama, I'm also looking at the
other side, what is their ceiling because if they beat Georgia,
you could put build an argument for a logical ranking
that would have zero SEC teams getting buys in bracket,
(08:01):
and I don't think that'll happen. I think that the
committee would deem Alabama's win over Georgia so impressive and
that they got revenge.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
No excuse me that they.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Beat Georgia twice, you know, they just they would jump
up to four. So I think Alabama protected even in
a loss from dropping out and if they win, I
think their stealing is four. I think Indiana Ohio State loser,
no chance they drop out of the top four. And
then from there now we're just seeing where does Texas,
tech Land, who who end up by getting shuffled around
(08:33):
in terms of Ole Miss and Oregon with the matchups,
and then also does that Oklahoma end up falling down
to being a visitor? You know? Then we get into
the you know who's the who's at home and who's
on the road in the first round, with obviously eleven
and twelve being spoken for by teams that will be
double digit underdogs in the first round.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Chi Patterson CBS sports dot com the Cover three podcast
with us here for his Friday conversation, let me step
away from the playoff for a second, bring it back local.
Which fan base should be more optimistic about their head
coach returning in twenty twenty six Carolina and Bill Belichick
or NC State and Dave Dorn.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Optimistic?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I think optimistic is NC State and Dave Dorian because
of something that our friend Joe Ovius I think explained.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I mean, I know this is a stunner, Kyle, but
I happen.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
To think Joovis and Joe Gillio have a pretty interesting
and like informative viewpoint on such things. I liked how
Joe Ovias said, it's like the Dave Dorn experience. You're
gonna have a couple wins a year that make you go,
hell yeah, brother, and you're gonna have a couple games
a year where you're like, what was that? And you
never know which games it's gonna be, But like that's
(09:43):
the Dave Dorn experience, and so Dave dorran back for
year fourteen is another year that Dave Dorn experience.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And as long as it's including.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
What has happened each of the last five years, and
that's beaten North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I think that, you know, you are.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
More optimistic than whatever the bleak outlook you you are
with the tar Heels where you're gonna have waves of
contributors leaving to go to the transfer portal.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You know, thirty some odd true.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Freshmen joining from the recruiting class, many of whom I mean,
I don't know how many of them are going to start,
but you've got to think that based on the caliber
of the class, that a lot of them are going
to be given an opportunity to really be rotation players
at a minimum, throw in whatever they pick.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Up in the transfer portal to phill holes. I mean,
they really are.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Just they're not starting over from where they started last year,
because Kyle, where they started last year was like a
negative one. It wasn't even a year zero, it was
a year negative one. So now we're up to year zero.
But you were really starting to hit the reboot button
on that one. And I think that that reboot button
is going to retain a little bit of the positives
from the twenty twenty five season, of.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Which there were definitely some. But man, it's a.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Lot of reboot to be optimistic that you're not just
going to really struggle except to try and win at
the margin.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
All right, last thing, real quick, more likely to bounce
in twenty twenty six. Dabo and Clemson or Shane Biemer
and the game Cocks.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Uh Na, I I'm gonna say they could be somewhat
close in the win.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
No, they couldn't.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Now I'm gonna go with Clemson. Yeah, I think it's
gonna be Clemson. And let me just put it fail.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
You about my hesitation of South Carolina. I think that
South Carolina undergoing like another round of staff changes and
just continuing to see some of these like that was
just such just starting to stand out more and more.
That team last season was a really special collection of talent,
just kind of top to bottom, one of those their
(11:41):
year kind of seasons. And my mistake, and I think
a mistake of a lot of others too, is that
we thought that was like a first step of building
towards something, a lot of it having to do, of
course with Leonora Sellers as a quarterback. But I think
that this is a little bit more of a Okay,
that was a spike year, and now we've fallen back
to the average, which leads to Shane Diemer and you've.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Been here that long.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
If this is your average, is that acceptable? I don't know.
That's the conversation for South Carolina to me. I think
that Clemson, by at the end of this thing, this
is gonna really be like when they beat Kentucky in
that Gator Bowl and led everyone to believe they're like
the greatest nine win team of all time. I mean,
Clemson strung together a couple wins, you know, they beat Louisville,
(12:23):
they beat Florida State. I mean, I know everyone's ready
to bury them and call them for dead, but you
beat South Carolina at the end of the year. Go
let the Tigers win their bowl game.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
They will be They'll still be.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Talking big going into next season. So I think Clemson
will feel again the emotion part, feel better about getting
a bounce back.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Hey, buddy, I know it's been a busy day. Thanks
as always for the time. Have a great weekend, enjoy
these games. We'll talk to you next Friday.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Sound good, y'all. Be well.
We got to talk some college football with Chipatterson of
cbssports dot com, CBS Sports Network on your televisions and
the Cover three Pod, the best college football podcast in
the land. We got Chip Patterson joining us fresh off
a whole bunch of breaking news in a crazy week.
Chip Patterson, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah, one heck of a week. I appreciate your flexibility
as always. Yeah, we were we were trying to figure
out man.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
It had not been finalized, but it got the point
where all this Matt Campbell conversation, you know, we just
we owed the Cover three audience at least to check
in so to react to the news and make sure
that they didn't go on into their weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So I appreciate your flexibility.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
We were live on YouTube YouTube dot com slash Cover
three talking about a fifty four day search coming to
an end.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So I mean again, school still needs to put out
a press release here. But Matt Campbell, I do think
is at least Penn.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
State landing in a decent spot, even if it took
them way longer than it should have, in a way
more complicated and embarrassing process than it should have to
get there.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I agree. I'm Also, if I'm Matt Campbell, I'm asking
for an extra year on my contract because you took
so long and it's now past the early signing day
that I think it knocks them back a year, puts
them in a hole in recruiting in a big way.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, that might be honestly why we don't have everything finalized.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It's just those last little leverage points.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Other things that have been brought up to me are
just sort of as the Big twelve and Iowa State
in particular are starting to see the rest of the
sport pull away. And I think there's Tom Fernelli on
the Cover three podcast with me earlier while we were live,
mentioned something that I.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Wasn't aware of, which I think the school is facing some.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Pretty significant budget deficit issues. Their nil head just stepped
away or retired from the athletic department. I mean, it's
just there were a lot of things to say that
if you were Matt Campbell, that this point to have
Penn State pull up and open the door and say
do you want to get in?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Given how successful he's been.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
There, unquestionably Iowa State's most impact full football coach in
the whole program's history. So I think for Matt Campbell,
a decent opportunity for him to be able to level
up into the Big Ten. You are one hundred percent
right that with zero signing class and a flood of transfers,
he is dealing with a very different, you know, Penn
(02:17):
State situation than if you had been hired it maybe
a month earlier. But I still think that for Campbell,
you're still getting a good coach. He's going to have
a certain style, recruit a certain type of player. It's
going to take maybe a little ramp up.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But we were looking at the schedule.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
They got a very manageable non con Next year. Once again,
you can clip a couple of Big Ten teams, then
they can be a Bowl.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Team and use that at the year one to build on.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
All Right, there's so much coaching news I want to
ask you about, but we don't have time for it all.
So I'm going to prioritize the big ticket items and
we'll see what else we can squeeze in the back half.
I had Manny Diaz on the show yesterday. He gave
me the same pitch that he's given everybody else about
why Duke deserves to be in the playoff if they
win the ACC title tomorrow. We know a seven and
five team being in the ACC title game is not
(03:02):
a great look. It's a very convoluted tiebreaker that helped
get them there. We were just looking up by the
way at ESPN. They've got Duke at a less than
one percent chance to make the playoff even if they win.
I think we all agree with that. What is the
best case, absolute best case scenario for the ACC this weekend?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You're I think you're missing something in Kyle. I'll come
around on this.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I two things.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Number One, this has got to be the most flexible.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Committee that we've seen in college.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Football playoff history, right yeah, I mean, just it's so
impressive their agility to go from one opinion to another.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
To value some wins and some losses that.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Varying degrees of importance, to celebrate that Alabama got out
to a seventeen to nothing lead against five and seven
Auburn and thinks that that was more impressive than going
on the road and beating a Pitt team that they
had ranked number twenty two.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Leave Miami steady, but move on balla Bama.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I mean, it's just remarkable the flexibility of these guys.
So that's number one too important on the mount rushmore
of playoff committees. This has got to be up there,
maybe with with fourteen and with twenty three. So they
could do whatever they want if Duke wins this football
game against Virginia, because here's the argument, you're ready because
(04:20):
Jim Phillips has been feeded to him. Duke would have
seven wins against Power conference teams. James Madison would have zero.
That Duke would have, yes, a seven to five record,
but it would also be out there having tested itself
against some of the best.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It's strength.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
The schedule would be inside of the top forty and
James Madison would not be able to compare with any
of these and certainly not change it by beating Troy.
And do you know what the tell was? The tell
was Iowa.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
They put Iowa in two spots.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Ahead of James Madison.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Not really, you know, inocuous, right, But Iowa's got an
eight and four record. So if they can.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Put Iowa with only eight wins two spots ahead of
James Madison, which has eleven, that they absolutely could start
to argue for an eight and five ACC champion. Duke
with a win against top twenty Virginia. I mean, stack
up the wins. Duke would have the better what four
five wins than James Madison. Yeah, just saying I have
(05:24):
come around on this, and maybe this is the insanity
that the College Football Playoff drives us to. But Kyle,
I'm just telling you, if Duke wins that game against
Virginia and I am asked to predict, which I'm sure
I might on Sunday morning, I will predict the Duke
is in the playoff, and I predict that it will
be strength to schedule number of wins against quality opponents
(05:45):
and that Duke has better wins.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Brother, It's crazy because you know, Manny has said multiple times.
The first time I heard him say it was on
the Arian and Andy podcast where he kept repeating an
ACC champion will never be left out of the playoff,
like he's certain of it in the way that he
says it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I mean, that's that's where you get into CFP and
on and conspiracy theory. And I just think a committee
that is as impressive as this one, with their flexibility,
you know, we can't we can't pin them down, you know,
to even think that they could just be stuck with
the same conspiracy in one season. I don't think it
could be carried out. They moved too much.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I love the way that you've handled this conversation, very
complimentary of the committee's flexibility, as you put a great
choice of word, Chip Patterson hanging out with us here
on a Friday. Other games we got, of course Ohio
State Indiana just a heavyweight matchup to twelve and OHO teams.
Georgia Alabama's a massive one. What do you think about
by the way, Georgia Bama both the game itself, but
also of course Bama jumping Notre Dame in the rankings
(06:44):
and everybody clamoring that the committee just said Alabama and
the SEC up for a mulligan.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, one hundred percent. It was. It was protect themselves
from BYU beating Texas Tech. BYU beats Texas Tech. BYU
is the big thief for this year in the College
Football Player Off, even though they are right on the
outside of the bracket, they would get bumped up. That
would bump whoever is in the ten spot out. So
they could not have Alabama in the ten spot. Can't
(07:10):
You can't have a team lose and move.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Up, especially at that point of the rank.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
It's just that is not going to be something they
could defend. So by moving Alabama up, they then put
Notre Dame on the chopping block, at which point that
really is some of the intrigues going into championship weekends.
If BYU wins, Notre Dame is out. I know there's
a lot of talk about, well, what if BYU drops
based on a blowout win. Now we're doing the Miami
Notre Dame thing. Not to me, it's very simple. If
(07:36):
BYU wins, Notre Dame is out. If BYU loses, Notre
Dame is in. That is my expectation in terms of
that seating. And for Alabama, I'm also looking at the
other side, what is their ceiling because if they beat Georgia,
you could put build an argument for a logical ranking
that would have zero SEC teams getting buys in bracket,
(08:01):
and I don't think that'll happen. I think that the
committee would deem Alabama's win over Georgia so impressive and
that they got revenge.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
No excuse me that they.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Beat Georgia twice, you know, they just they would jump
up to four. So I think Alabama protected even in
a loss from dropping out and if they win, I
think their stealing is four. I think Indiana Ohio State loser,
no chance they drop out of the top four. And
then from there now we're just seeing where does Texas,
tech Land, who who end up by getting shuffled around
(08:33):
in terms of Ole Miss and Oregon with the matchups,
and then also does that Oklahoma end up falling down
to being a visitor? You know? Then we get into
the you know who's the who's at home and who's
on the road in the first round, with obviously eleven
and twelve being spoken for by teams that will be
double digit underdogs in the first round.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Chi Patterson CBS sports dot com the Cover three podcast
with us here for his Friday conversation, let me step
away from the playoff for a second, bring it back local.
Which fan base should be more optimistic about their head
coach returning in twenty twenty six Carolina and Bill Belichick
or NC State and Dave Dorn.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Optimistic?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I think optimistic is NC State and Dave Dorian because
of something that our friend Joe Ovius I think explained.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I mean, I know this is a stunner, Kyle, but
I happen.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
To think Joovis and Joe Gillio have a pretty interesting
and like informative viewpoint on such things. I liked how
Joe Ovias said, it's like the Dave Dorn experience. You're
gonna have a couple wins a year that make you go,
hell yeah, brother, and you're gonna have a couple games
a year where you're like, what was that? And you
never know which games it's gonna be, But like that's
(09:43):
the Dave Dorn experience, and so Dave dorran back for
year fourteen is another year that Dave Dorn experience.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And as long as it's including.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
What has happened each of the last five years, and
that's beaten North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I think that, you know, you are.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
More optimistic than whatever the bleak outlook you you are
with the tar Heels where you're gonna have waves of
contributors leaving to go to the transfer portal.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You know, thirty some odd true.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Freshmen joining from the recruiting class, many of whom I mean,
I don't know how many of them are going to start,
but you've got to think that based on the caliber
of the class, that a lot of them are going
to be given an opportunity to really be rotation players
at a minimum, throw in whatever they pick.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Up in the transfer portal to phill holes. I mean,
they really are.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Just they're not starting over from where they started last year,
because Kyle, where they started last year was like a
negative one. It wasn't even a year zero, it was
a year negative one. So now we're up to year zero.
But you were really starting to hit the reboot button
on that one. And I think that that reboot button
is going to retain a little bit of the positives
from the twenty twenty five season, of.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Which there were definitely some. But man, it's a.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Lot of reboot to be optimistic that you're not just
going to really struggle except to try and win at
the margin.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
All right, last thing, real quick, more likely to bounce
in twenty twenty six. Dabo and Clemson or Shane Biemer
and the game Cocks.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Uh Na, I I'm gonna say they could be somewhat
close in the win.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
No, they couldn't.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Now I'm gonna go with Clemson. Yeah, I think it's
gonna be Clemson. And let me just put it fail.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
You about my hesitation of South Carolina. I think that
South Carolina undergoing like another round of staff changes and
just continuing to see some of these like that was
just such just starting to stand out more and more.
That team last season was a really special collection of talent,
just kind of top to bottom, one of those their
(11:41):
year kind of seasons. And my mistake, and I think
a mistake of a lot of others too, is that
we thought that was like a first step of building
towards something, a lot of it having to do, of
course with Leonora Sellers as a quarterback. But I think
that this is a little bit more of a Okay,
that was a spike year, and now we've fallen back
to the average, which leads to Shane Diemer and you've.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Been here that long.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
If this is your average, is that acceptable? I don't know.
That's the conversation for South Carolina to me. I think
that Clemson, by at the end of this thing, this
is gonna really be like when they beat Kentucky in
that Gator Bowl and led everyone to believe they're like
the greatest nine win team of all time. I mean,
Clemson strung together a couple wins, you know, they beat Louisville,
(12:23):
they beat Florida State. I mean, I know everyone's ready
to bury them and call them for dead, but you
beat South Carolina at the end of the year. Go
let the Tigers win their bowl game.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
They will be They'll still be.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Talking big going into next season. So I think Clemson
will feel again the emotion part, feel better about getting
a bounce back.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Hey, buddy, I know it's been a busy day. Thanks
as always for the time. Have a great weekend, enjoy
these games. We'll talk to you next Friday.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Sound good, y'all. Be well.
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