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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tonight, we had the latest iteration of the college football
playoff rankings. We have Duke beating Bill Belichick over the weekend.
We've got rivalry weekend coming up, and we got to
talk to Ryan McGee of ESPN senior writer Back with
Us for his weekly conversation. Happy Thanksgiving brother, How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm doing great? You know, I don't. I don't cover
the NFL. I used to, but I know college football
players and it is living in Charlotte, and the Bryce
Young era has been fascinating for me because I was
just listening to you just now. It's the man can
play football, he just needs a little help. And I
thought he didn't just have the greatest like Sunday in
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the history Panther quarterbacks anyway. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
No, No, he did, he did, But it doesn't matter.
It's sports. You know, sports, it's the whiplash effect that
makes people so emotional. And I'm not mad at him
for being emotional, Ryan, It's that, Yes, it's a wild swing.
One week they look awesome, the next week they look
like just mud. I mean, it's it's a thing that
drives sports fans insane. You've seen it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, Well I'm headed Theoxville on Friday. We'll be doing
Martin McGee Saturday morning from my alma mater. And I
can tell you first hand. I mean, the Tennessee fans
turned on Josh Heipel about three weeks ago, and I'm like,
how's wrong with you? People? Like were you not there
for the last fifteen years? I just, I just it's
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so funny to me. But yeah, by the way, it's
my rivalry weekend. So you know, we both grew up
in a world where Tennessee and Vanderbilt wasn't really a
rivalry hasn't hasn't been much of one since the nineteen thirties. Yep.
This will be the first time in the history that
they've been playing football, just the eighteen one hundred. This
will be the first time they've both been ranked in
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this football game, which is crazy to me. Vanderbilts had
some great years and obviously, you know, it just would
would have taken one year for Vanderbilt be ranked because
forever Tennessee was ranked. In this game, it'll be the
first This will be the biggest game in the history
of Vanderbilt Tennessee. And you got Diego Pabaly trying to
win Heuisan and Vanderbilt think and they can make the playoff,
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and Tennessee with the chance to uh and I'm quoting
my college roommate here. Then the Nerds back home, and
so it'll be it'll be an interesting It'll be an
interesting Saturday in England, Dame.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
That's a good line. I like that it's not the
headline in this game. Just out of curiosity. People bring
up Clark Lee to me as part of this overall
coaching carousel discussion, Like I have a zero percent belief
that he's going anywhere. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You know? My my feeling on that is termed a
little bit. And the reason is because because Bandy has
been so good this year, we have been with them
a lot. We were with them in Texas, Uh, we
were with we were at Vanderbilt last weekend to do
Martin McGhee and and then obviously we're going to see
him this weekend. I think this'll be the fourth time
that we've done Marty McGee out of Andy game this year,
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which is crazy. And but I like Clark a lot,
and I love My favorite stories are the ones where
the guys go back to their alma maters and have success, right,
I mean about Tennessee was Johnny Majors for so long
and eighties and nineties and it was you know, It's
why it broke my heart when like Matt Luke didn't
work at all this or Scott Frost doesn't work in Nebraska,
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you know, because it's a chance to make your alma
mater look good. And I think what Clark Lee is
going to wrestle with is the same thing that your
boy James Franklin wrestled with, which was you know, this
as good as it can possibly get and how long
could that even last? And so you know, the reality
is is that if Brian Kelly had left Notre Dame
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one year earlier, Clarkle would be the head football coach
Notre Name And so there's always going to be that
voice in the back of his head. Listen, you have
you have given your alma mater arguably the greatest season
that it's had in over a century. You know you're
going to have more than likely have a quarterback in
New York for the as a Heisman finalist. You know,
you beat Alabama obviously last year, and everything they've done
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this year is that as good as it can be,
and so I think that's what he is going to
wrestle with because there are so many good jobs open,
and you know, there's only so many seats to go around,
and so once the James Franklins and the Lane Kiffins
and those guys are off the table, I would hire
Clark Leager right now if I thought I could get him.
So I don't know it. I still would be surprised,
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but I would not be nearly as surprised as I
would have been a month ago.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Okay, fair enough, I would be surprised, but you make
a compelling case right there. Latest round of the playoff
rankings coming out tonight. Everybody won this week. Are you
expecting any changes in the top twelve.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
No, I mean that might be a little bit of
movement here and there, just you know, this team moves
up two spots and this team moves down two spots.
But I don't I don't see anything. I don't see
anything that's going to fuel debate like it did a
week ago. Poor Syracuse. The whole world made Notre Dame mad.
And I'm pretty sure, sir, players who know they have
already scored three or four more times in that game since
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we just started talking, right, that was crazy seventy to seven. Yeah,
it could have been worse if you watched the game.
And at one point I think No Daved scored three
times in the offense hadn't touched the ball yet. So
it's it is a yeah. But this is why I
toss them. This is why the debate is great, and
it's why we need to stay. Let just talk about
that the big ten. WI want to expand this in Charlotte, right,
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the big ten pitch and let's expand this thing. That
twenty four teams and no way, no, because right now
the conversation is national. You you have Oregon fans watching
Vanderbilt football, and you have well, you have Dan Lanning
talking smack about the SEC schedule. It's only because the
only so many teams can get in so once a
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much larger percentage gets in, even one hundred and thirty
six schools. I'm a sports writer, dude, you're sports talk.
We need some drama and we're not going to the
drama starts to dissipate. We get the twenty four teams, no.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Draw, Yes, absolutely, so I mean weekly check in now.
Acc now we're looking at a Virginia SMU title game.
Here in Charlotte, we're still debating whether or not in
Miami's actually the best team in the field, and whether
or not they'll actually jump Notre Dame, so on and
so forth. I mean, what do we think about the
league this week?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I don't know. So this morning walk up and it
gets my better judgment. First thing I do is I
started looking at social media, right, but the ACC on
Instagram put out this graphic with all of the paths
to Charlotte, and the SMU graphic alone, I had to
put my glasses on, like it's just it's so incredibly
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like when when Georgia take a lost and they really
should have lost to the Row, but when Georgia take
lost over the weekend, you know, I tweeted out a
gift of just somebody dumping a big place of spaghetti
on the table, because that's just what it is, right
and you know, and shamelessly, I mean, unapologetically, I was
rooting for a Georgia Tech Virginia championship game because I
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wanted to go back and write a story about what
is still, in my opinion, the greatest regular season game
in the history of the ACC most important anyway, which
is nineteen ninety when Virginia was number one and Georgia
Tech beat them at Virginia and then Georgia take and
wanting to share in the NAST Championship. My dad was
Phil Judge in that game. I wanted to write like
an oral history of that game, and now I'm gonna
have to settle on that. But it's yeah, listen, and
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I am all for it. I think what they're doing
at SMU is amazing. I think the Virginia story is
an incredible story. You consider where that program was not
ten minutes ago and now they got a chance to
play for conference championship. But I'm glad I ain't the
guy to running the ticket office because I don't know
it'll be. I have a feeling there'll be plenty of
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good seats available well down at the ballpark if that's
the match up.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, to your point, my son just played his first
year of t ball. He's three years old. Yeah, and
I got a shout out the league because they negotiated
this special rate for the kids in the league to
go to the a SEC Championship game. And I feel
bad about saying this publicly. But my wife was like,
that's a good deal, and I was like, nah, you
can get that for twenty five percent of that price if.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You wait to a game. And I hate it. Yeah,
and I hate it and I don't and it's stertainly
not fair to them, but it just it is what
it is. And I mean, listen, I was talk about
nineteen ninety. I was the Sugar Bowl that year. It
was Virginia, Tennessee, and blessed their hearts. You know, some
Virginia fans came, but they just don't. That's not a
big road crowd and so maybe they'll prove me wrong,
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but it's but it is a great story and that's
what the league needs to lean into. But yeah, SMU
a SCC powerhouse. I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, it isn't a KB and Ryan conversation if I
don't bring up Bill Belichick and Chapel Hill. So U
Manny Diaz with one of the gutsiest fake punt calls
you'll ever see in that game on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
What did I say? Smoke?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Oh, I said, oh, I'm sorry, my fault fake field goal.
Smoke corrected me in real time, but fakefield goal call?
And now Carolina is not going bowling to four and seven.
They do have a chance to beat n C. State,
But I mean, just the closer we get to the
end of the year. There's a front page story about
this over on ESPN today. As I'm sure you're well
aware you know about why he's still doing this as
we near the end of the season. Do you suspect
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he'll want to continue doing this?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, well, it's a great story. My bout to Tim Kewne,
who was with me a desp in the magazine forever.
He spent a lot of time Apple will work on
that piece and it's it's great And it's a good
take too, because you know, sometimes we get mad when
guys coming in our backyard as college football writers. But
for the guy like Tim going there and attack that thing,
his look, his look on it was his perspective on
it was very fresh and so I you know, it
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has been entertaining. You know, I've not been to the
triangle in a minute. I'm gonna be up there in
a couple of weeks. I'm curious to kind of take
the temperature of the room. I feel like everybody's kind
of over it. Uh, certainly they were talking talking about
ticket sales certainly based on crowds. I don't think that's
I don't think it's been the draw that they were
hoping that was. No, I haven't in the draw that
thought it would be. But but the question is does
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you want to do it? And that's the question in
Tim's story, which is why why do you? Does he
want to do this? Why would he want to do this?
And so yeah, plus you know, listen all his pat
practices and watching film and recruiting. That takes away from
your your time to go watch the Chilian contest.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
The boosters have to be embarrassed by that, right, Let's
just be honest. You know Eastern North Carolina, that area
very well, like you know the blue Hairs, you know
the money people. There's no way they're not humiliated by that,
right Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
And one of the one of the blue hair money
people is the reason he's there, right, Like, that's just it.
And so it's just it is a in the end,
every pro collegiate athletic program has one or two people
who are who pull the springs, right, it's it's the
car dealer from Friday Night Light. And the difference now
is that those people have an actual license to kill
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and they didn't have one of those before. And if
you're on the board of trustees, you always did. And
that's exactly what having this situation. So listen, man, how
many times have we had this conversation? You know? I
wrote the column a year ago when Belichick got the job,
which is I can't wait to see how they turned
this into just another North Carolina football season. And it's
just it is what it is. And and on some
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level you're like, all right, why not try it? Well,
they tried it, and if they don't feel like they
have the momentum going in the right direction, and maybe
they thought they did, and many das single handedly squashed that.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
No doubt, never a bad day for a Buddy Garrity
reference on the air.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
By the way, all right, I know, but we met
that guy, the actor. We had him on Martin mcguhel
one time and it was just Marty and I actual
like complete idiots. We wouldn't have acted like that if
we'd had the Beatles on, Like if we were we
were for Marty McGee buddy, Gary is the Beatles? All right?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Last thing, which way is the wind blowing on Lane Kiffin?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
This week, I think he's gone, and I just you know,
I have joke and i' and I kind of joke
and I kind of don't about. You know. We worked
really really hard on that East sixty documentary, The Manion
Allied Lane Kiffin, and and the last probably last what
fifth of it is all about why he loves Oxford
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and Oxford saved his life and why he would never
leave all those things, and so full disclosure. On Saturday,
I will be in Knoxville, Marty will be in Oxford,
and uh and and I am going to have to
look at that crowd at Tennessee and say, well, but
because that by that time, peer with the Athletic director
Olmoss has told us, by that time we probably will
know what's gonna happen. And if Lane has left, I'm
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gonna have to sit there in front of a live
studio audi as the Knoxville and go y'all tried to
tell me, and I didn't listen to you, and here
we sit, so the booze. It didn't take much to
get Tennessee people to boo Lane kiffing. But but they
will blew lustily. Uh if the news breaks while we're
on the air sitting on the hill in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Well, I'll be watching Thank you for the time as always,
Happy Thanksgiving. Hold on last thing. We had a great
debate about this yesterday on the show I'm a I'm
a big believer that Thanksgiving dinner should be eaten no
later than two PM, thus allowing for a full menu,
have leftovers after the nap for dinner time. In league football,
when does the McGee family sit down for dinner?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
We're at one thirty hard. That's a hard out, the
hard hard out, one to one thirty. No, one thirty.
And it's perfect too, because you don't want to kill them.
You get him to eat the bowl cereal on your
cup coffee, and then just and he just waits, just hold.
It's like brave heart hold. And then when it's time
to go, go and then but you're exactly alright. That
allows for a uh going, a little trip to fan
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nap and then a little uh, a little late uh
kind of you know sort of dinner and and yeah, no,
no one one thirty is one thirty is the red
zone for the mcgeese.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I suspected, but now I know you're one of the
finest Americans we know here on the show. Thank you brother.
We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
All right. Appreciate you boys,