AI Gone Rogue? The Economy and the Risks of Artificial Intelligence

In today's episode of The Scott Jennings Show, Mark Davis takes the reins, discussing the economy and the growing concerns surrounding AI.  He's joined by Dr. Peter Earl, senior director of research at the American Institute for Economic Research, to discuss the importance of a lighter touch from government and the dangers of subsidizing failure.

Then, Mark is joined by Brendan Steinhauser, CEO of the Alliance for Secure AI. They discuss the recent incident where AI agents escaped a sandbox and hacked into a company, raising concerns about the potential risks of AI. Brendan shares his thoughts on the need for caution and the importance of developing safeguards to prevent AI from becoming a nightmare scenario.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The voice of free speech, the truth delivered common sense
for the American people. Welcome to the Scott Jenning Show.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Scott Jennings Here, I'm away today, but you are in
the capable hands of Mark Davis.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Mark take it away.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Well, thank you, sir. Look at that luga that the
customized welcome on the Scott Jennings Show from the man himself. Well,
it's very very great to hear that, and I hope
it's a good thing for you on this Friday that
we get to spend some time together. I'm a pretty
familiar fixture in the world of pretty well also known
as every show on this platform, Salem News Channel, Salem

(00:42):
Radio Network, Mark Davis. My actual gig is happy Morning
host at six sixty am. The answer the radio station
down the hall from where I'm sitting right now. But
when I get to walk in here and sort of
come up to the network suite and see what's going
on in Salem News Channel, Salem Radio Network land, whether
it's Hugh hewittt a show that I'll do a couple
of times next week, or you know morning shows, Larry Elder.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
I haven't done Larry O'Connor yet any time would be fine.
I love Larry provides a quality lead into me and
the local show that I do here in DFW. It's
just my probably overly long way of telling you that
here in the Salem universe, we know that it's a
busy summer of hot topics and ever breaking news stories,
and we're here for you. We're here for you on radio,

(01:26):
We're here for you on video on the Salem News Channel.
We're just very very glad to be in your company.
And so as we get to enjoy a couple of
hours of each other's company here on a Friday, we're
going to do things in a way that I always
tell people whoever I'm filling in for, I feel very
much like a guest in somebody else's house. So along
the lines of what Scott does and what we all

(01:47):
sort of do is commentary and clips and riffing off
things that have happened in the news and things people
have said and etc.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Etc.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
There is a habit in a few decades of doing
this where I'm pretty fond of your phone calls. So
we've set a little something up here where we've got
an actual phone number where you can call me and
so as I bring stuff up about Fauci's very long,
very bad week, about a couple of things that have
happened in the Trump cabinet meeting at Camp David, which

(02:20):
is just a visually glorious thing, and it's provided a
lot of fascinating content. And as we talk about and
I'm here in Texas, I've known John Cornyn for decades,
and I'll take you inside baseball a little bit and
tell you what it's been like to cover that. This
is a man who I've had a lot of respect for,

(02:42):
had is in the past tense.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I still have.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Active, residual respect for everything he has done for my
state and for the country, because it's a long list,
but lately, the obstructionism, the TDS, the posturing that he
and equally outgoing Tom Tillis of North Carolina, just what's

(03:09):
going on there?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I got some theories. I'll bet you do too.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
So guess what, here's where we can share them, because oh,
I got clips, I got news stories, I got hot,
fresh headlines. But if you want to get in and say, hey,
talk show guy, here's some things I'm thinking about the
news stories of the week or the mid terms or
what South Carolina is going to do. I've got some
big thoughts about what I think South Carolinians are going
to do. We're going to play that little game called

(03:35):
what if I were in South Carolina? And by the way,
maybe you are. And if that's the case, we love
to hear from you, because the whole Darlene Graham thing,
it's lovely. She's a neat lady. She's a woman of accomplishment. Senator.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
No, now that's just me. This is what I do.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
And this is not a slap at her, anything demeaning
toward her. God bless her. My heart is just breaking
for her, her family. I like her in every way imaginable.
There's a long list of people I like that I
don't necessarily know if I need them to be a
six year United States senator just yet.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
And that's Darlene.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
To me.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
I am probably a Ralph Norman guy. Now, there are.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Other folks running and appreciable conservatives with track records. But
see that is the thing. The keyword is track record,
and she has none. I mean, everybody who's lived life
has a track record of doing things, saying things, believing
in things. Trump had no track record in elected office.
But we knew him like the back of our hands.
We knew what we did. We know what we were getting.

(04:41):
Did we really let's revise and extend that remark.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
No.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
In twenty sixteen, Trump was a known cultural commodity, economic commodity,
pop culture commodity. He'd been in the news all the
time for various things. We knew what his views were,
Lord knows, we knew what his views were, and I
think we had a pretty decent certainty on what he

(05:07):
believed and what he would do with Darlene. We just
don't so without any shade thrown to her in the least,
with nothing but love and support for her and the family.
If I'm in South Carolina, that is that that is
a distinct no for her sudden desire to pivot from

(05:28):
the sort of ceremonial I'm gonna well, I wouldn't, there'd
be real votes. It's more than ceremonial, a brief and
heartwarming snippet of service as the placeholder while the people
of South Carolina figure out who the real senator is
going to be. And then, you know, so that idea
is banging around for about ten minutes, and then all

(05:50):
of a sudden, Hey, guess what I want the whole Uh,
I want the whole six years. Oh okay, well, free country.
She gets to do that. And if the people of
South Carolina say, you know what, either because we just
love lindsay that much and you know he would probably
want us to do this, or they or the roughly

(06:12):
twenty minutes everybody has to campaign because here comes that
election on August eleventh, and she's able to make enough
people say yeah, that looks like a.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
US senator to me.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Okay, it's not like I'm gonna go Oh, it's gonna
be trouble.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
But there's just too many question marks. So we could
talk about that. So anyway, the key there being we
can talk about stuff. Phone number is you ready ready
to go? Eight four to four eight six' one five
five three. Seven that is eight four four eight six'
one five five. Three seven so maybe even next segment

(06:48):
for play a couple, of things say a few. More
things we'll put a couple of folks from the actual
listening and viewing audience right here on the show with
ME as i fill In For.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Scott jennings and that's eight four four eight six one five,
to five.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Three seven bottom of, this hour we're going to talk
some economy With Doctor peter earle With The american Institute For.
Economic research we can talk. About affordability we're going to
talk about. Oil prices we're going to talk. About tariffs
we're going to talk about how to get this economy
better so that we can actually win, the midterms.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
You know stuff.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Like that, All right so eight four four eight six
one five five, Three, Seven Okay senator Cornyn And, tom
tillis it's all about the at, the moment it's all
about the Nomination Of Attorney General. Todd blanche this is.
Cut one this IS From. Cbs news cornyn On whether
trump should withdraw the Nomination Of. TODD blanche i don't.

Speaker 7 (07:43):
Know if it's just a negotiating technique on, his part
but it doesn't really solve any problems because there's no
guarantee he's going to Have enough republican Votes in january
to confirm him if he withdrawals. A, NOMINATION now i
think we just got to sit down and try to solved.
The problem much when we've been trying to do a
boj and we thought we were really close until now

(08:06):
the president has basically blown.

Speaker 8 (08:10):
That up were just in terms of the president's post,
EARLIER today, i mean do you think this?

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Is personal, oh yeah.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
OH yeah i mean the president was treated badly when
A i rs contractor released his personal. TAX returns, i
mean and the contractors now. In prison so there was
definitely a basis for the. Original lawsuit but the problem
is this settlement goes far beyond that and purports to

(08:38):
provide future community from tax audits for all of the
affiliated organizations For the president and. His family.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
So you can either like or not, like that and,
That's fine but we got, A minute i think we.
Do that, Here's Here senator cornyn With an attorney. General
nominee he can really get excited about this is this is.
Cut eight he was really thrilled to tell you about this,
Wonderful Guy.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Merrick garland in twenty.

Speaker 6 (09:11):
Twenty one, THIS morning i had a very good Conversation
With Judge, merrick Garland Who president biden is Nominated For.
Attorney General judge garland's extensive legal experience makes him well
suited to Lead the Department, of JUSTICE and i appreciated
his commitment to keep politics out Of The.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Justice department that.

Speaker 7 (09:32):
Is my number one criterion for who should be the
next head Of the Department.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Of justice did you?

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Hear that the wonderful Thing About merrick garland is he
was going to keep politics out Of The. Justice department
how'd that work?

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Out?

Speaker 9 (09:50):
For everybody got a thought pad your two cents at eight,
four four eight six one five five. Three seven that's eight,
four four eight six one five to five.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Three seven, look there we've crafted a bumper containing the
phone number that we have put together for, Today's Exercise
mark Davison For. Scott, jennings today still common sense and
you're Still the. American people so all's right with the
world On, this friday Early, happy august, my, gosh wow

(10:23):
into the traditional work week end of. The month eight,
four four eight six one five five. Three seven we're
gonna go to those phone lines here in just. A
second there with the The Competing john cornyn audio bites
there he is getting all up in a high dudgeon
about this this arcane irs settlement objection that. He has

(10:45):
and yet there Seconds Later, merrick, garland however who is
dangerously wrong on. Every issue he's the, Bee's knees he's the.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Cat's pajamas.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
He's Great both Cornyn and ellis Voted For, merrick garland
who is dangerously wrong on. Every issue And Yet todd
blanche is. A problem and people wonder and And and
Cornyn and tillis and and their and. Their bait wonder
why these guys are despised. By conservatives you wonder why

(11:19):
these guys get the scorn that is heaped. Upon them
here in my State, Of Texas senator cornyn, told me to,
my face to, my ear to, my show to. MY audience, i,
said look you're running, a, campaign sir that says, you
know ninety nine Percent, with Trump and i'm, you Know
mister maga and thumbs up and woo who uh can

(11:42):
we be comfortable you're going to be like that if
you win And After president trump, is gone because he's
gone in a couple, of years you're sticking around For
six if, you win will you Be as maga friendly
then as you? Are now his one word replied, to,
me absolutely there is no universe in which that. Was

(12:02):
true so we Here in texas we done good on
on the twenty Sixth, of May And ken paxton is
going To Be john. Cornyn's successor a little, Later on
i'll get into whether the Weather Woke Opie james tallerico
has any shot, at this even though you may be
seeing some ridiculous pull numbers that indicate that. He does, all,

(12:24):
right listen if we're gonna, do phones let's roll across
the ocean and Go. To oahu how? About that what
day is?

Speaker 5 (12:31):
It?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
There Oh?

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Oahu tampa often mistaken for, Each Other Steve mark Davison For.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Scott jennings how, are? You? Sir? Todd hello how are?

Speaker 8 (12:42):
You Sir tod Gows?

Speaker 10 (12:44):
And mark great to talk, to, You, buddy mark.

Speaker 8 (12:46):
Sixty seconds i'll. Be quick by, the way it was.

Speaker 10 (12:49):
You who filled In On Larry, elders SHOW and i
called in and we got, the, big big beautiful bill
across the finish line On.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
That friday look, at there look at look. At it
the magic we can do together?

Speaker 10 (13:00):
Got today hey for fourth and goal with THE one
i gave it to my Big Horse. Jim brown he
got in the. End zone wait, to, go baby so
uh and let me.

Speaker 8 (13:08):
Just say, This corner.

Speaker 10 (13:09):
You're out you're. A, disgrace okay, you guys you're on,
you guys and and and including, Including uh, john buffoons
you're On The George soros. Chinese payroll you can't get to.
Save act no one wants to see you On this.
August break no one wants to see you With fake
republican senators that we had to carry Across the cenis
line to get you. In there the sixteen senators that want,

(13:31):
to stay those are the senators that. We love the rest.
Of you you're, you're Firing as donald was Saying. The
apprentice by, The, way mark you're right on. The, money
no no track Record For lindsey. Graham's, sister okay if
You Think lindsey graham died, by accident you're. Smoking, something
okay the guy was A, pro Israel, pro America pro
trump and then, and no she has no. Track RECORD

(13:51):
so I Hope south carol on the line. Wakes Up
and God Blessed. Donald donald remember when you were when
you were forty, years young you were the bomb guy
in and taking. New oil so coughing up and take
the oil and then quit messing around and knock out
their bridges. And powerplis god Bless You, Mark.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Beach god Bless, You tod. Thank you, All, right well
how how does one follow that one can try phone
numbers eight four, to four, eight, six, one five five
three seven eight four four eight six one five five.
Three seven there are a Couple of trump news stories
here before we roll into the bottom of the hour
and come back out the other side and talk To
Doctor peter earl about a few. Economic things he's With

(14:31):
The american Institute For economic research at the first thing
you ought to know is that you're going to see
a lot of video through the rest of today of
the Of The president trump cabinet Meeting At. Camp david
and just like in the cabinet room At The, white
house it's a big long table because it's a big,

(14:51):
crowded cabinet and you know exactly what. They did they
sat around and offered the president updates, on things and
they also Offered the president. Other things enormous, generous praise lasting,
many paragraphs and it absolutely had to drive, the. Media
folks it's getting covered covered Live on fox and some.

(15:13):
Other places the reason he does that is in a
media culture that tries to destroy him, every day, every
hour if he's got a few minutes where the cabinet
can speak well, of him kind of tips the pendulum
back the, other way doesn't? It Already mark Davison For.
Scott Jennings, it's friday, stay.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Here common sense For the.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
American people this Is The Scott, jenny Show.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
And I'm, Mark davis philly In forced scott's On. This
friday it is the thirty First. Of july i'm glad you,
are Here and i'm glad this gentleman. Is here we
are going to have a chat about some economic issues
with a man who knows a lot about, a lot
the senior director of research and a senior research fellow
at The America an Institute For economic research AI e er.

(16:03):
Dot org i've been big fans of this group for a.
Long Time Doctor peter earl. Is here, Welcome Sir. Happy
friday how you? DOING right I did i think? We
do we lose the video There On? Doctor, earl, Okay
okay well let me tell you what we have in

(16:27):
store when we are able to crank back up With.
Doctor earl because when you think about the things that are,
happening economically and you think about all the drama that
is front loaded into these midterms with regard to how
the economy needs to be, going better which is. Certainly
true what you have is a situation where a lot

(16:50):
of things that are in the control of politicians and
a lot of things that are not in control, of
politicians they kind of run into. Each other and it
is undeniably and always and perpetually true that whoever is
president gets credit when an economy is, going well and

(17:10):
whoever is president gets blame when an economy is. Having,
trouble now sometimes a president can, do things In The jimmy,
carter example that are harmful to, an economy and he is.
Properly blamed let's go chronologically after that and get eight
Years of reagan where he is properly credited for doing
things that a president can do to help. An economy

(17:33):
but in order to understand what a president can do
to help, an economy the best thing a president. A
congress the best thing government can do is get out of.
The way so many people spend so much time talking
about what government, can do what policies government can. Have

(17:55):
healthcare the best thing government can do with regard to
healthcare is get out of the way and let free
markets have more of. A say are there reforms that
the insurance industry would be smart, to undertake, of course
there are but the notion that our, elected representatives either
In the house or In, the senate or In The white,
house itself have some set of magic wands that they

(18:16):
can wave to somehow make our healthcare. Situation better the
notion that there's something magical that the government, can do
that a president, can Do that congress can do to
make the. Economy better The reason reagan was great on,
the economy the Best Thing president bush did for, the

(18:38):
economy the best Things That president trump has done for.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
The economy what are they?

Speaker 4 (18:42):
All involved if you make a list of those of,
the policies they all involve government having a. Lighter touch
they all involve government doing less, taxing us less, regulating,
us less getting its nose out of everybody's business and.
Everybody's liberty because in a supposedly, free country with a supposedly,

(19:07):
free people if we really do have the ability to
get out there and have careers and have businesses and
do the various things that we are tasked with doing for,
our families for, our neighborhoods for, our communities and for,
our country and government does stay out of, the way
magical and wonderful things happen in the, free market the,

(19:32):
free market and it's funny because libertarians are an. Interesting
lot they're all in for, weed legalization which. Is bad
they're probably not as vigilant about protecting the unborn as people,
should be so that's. Not good but on, economic, issues taxation,

(19:53):
constitutional liberties how the open and free economic marketplace, should
work the libertarian perspective has always been, spot on and
it has to do with the motivation of the public
and providers of goods. And services this is kind of
econ one, oh one but apparently we are, in dire

(20:16):
dire need. Of it so here's a small dosage.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Of it.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
If you go to the, store today if you go
to the grocery store and you're shopping, for tomatoes the tomatoes,
are there and you'd like to, buy them the store
would like to. Sell them and, absolutely everybody everybody in,
this equation including the farmer who brought the tomatoes to.

(20:42):
The store what is the guiding motivation? For everybody is?
It altruism is? It charity is all of which? Are
good by, The, Way. No no in that, unique moment in
that singular and unique moment of economic activity and, inter
action the absolute driving factor is. Self INTEREST if i

(21:07):
go to the store looking, FOR tomatoes i want. Those
tomatoes if the store has those tomatoes in the, produce
section they really want to sell. Those tomatoes the farmer
who brought the tomatoes to, the store to the distribution
center that brought them to. The story and nobody's sitting, There,
Thinking hey i'm doing this for the. Other guy i'm
doing THIS because i really want that store to, be

(21:28):
SUCCESSFUL and i Really Want mark davis to have those
tomatoes for his Salad on. Friday night they don't care.
About that they care about their own. Self interest and
not only is that not greed or not, a Sin
because i'm not suggesting narcissism or disregarding the views of.
Anybody else i'm talking about the notion Of and i'm

(21:53):
going to run this By doctor earl here in. A
SECOND who i understand is back. With us it is
in that grocery stare. Store example it is pure self
interest that drives the store to stock, the tomatoes that
drives me to want to go buy. The tomatoes and
ain't nobody trying to be kind or beneficent. To anybody
they have tomatoes. TO sell i HAVE tomatoes i want.

(22:16):
To buy government is not needed in any realm of
those kinds of that type, of equilibrium large. Or small
so that is, the great great value of the, free
market the literally genuinely, free market. Doctor earl if you
got me or are we hooked, up?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
HERE sir.

Speaker 11 (22:38):
I can, SEE you i can.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Hear you, very good.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Thank you let me run that, by you because when
we lost, THE connection i went off on a bit
of a libertarian ranch that the best Kind OF and
i want to run this by you with all your
experience in economics and in markets that as all of
our headlines are filled with what can? Government do what
can the? President do What can? Congress do and there's
a list of things of policies that. Are good my

(23:00):
favorite category of things for a healthier government and a
healthier public is for government to have a, lighter touch regulate,
us less tax, us less get their nose out of.
Our lives because the free market has an amazing ability to.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Repair itself HOW am i?

Speaker 11 (23:16):
Doing absolutely, you know if you look at through history
any time when we've had great growth over, the years
it's all been accomplished by entrepreneurs and by business managers
with incentives to put capital. Into work the other thing
about that is that when, they fail they don't drag
down half the economy. With them they don't require any
sort of bailouts or whatever from our. Tax money what

(23:37):
we don't have in the, free market at least if
it's a reasonably and truly, free market is we don't
have the subsidizing of failure by taxpayers and. Private profit
we want businesses to. BE started i want, more TRILLIONAIRES
but i also want the thousands and tens of thousands
who will fail on their way to, that goal having
to bear that. Cost.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
THEMSELVES describe i WAS fascinated i a term you used
about a. Minute ago what in what ways do we? Subsidize, FAILURE.

Speaker 11 (24:08):
Oh i mean everything from from bailing out banks where
there are, huge problems from, you know offering things like
insurance on things that either private businesses should ensure or shouldn't.
BE insured, i mean there's so many categories today that
you could hardly list. Them all anytime the government reaches
out and protects people from the consequences of their, own
actions which includes failure, in business, you know that is.

(24:30):
Essentially subsidizing and it's not just like it's subsidizing from someone.
Else's pockets one businessman wants to. Guarantee another i'm fine.
With THAT if I decide i want to back someone and,
they fail that's. On me but when it's coming out
of my taxpayer pockets and all the taxpayers pockets to,
subsidize businesses that's. A problem.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
So not so many, years ago this is a fantastic
road you've set. Us down and if, it's okay well
with this, this segment we got about three. Minutes left
i'd love to make up for lost time and keep
you over and talk to you a little bit in the.
Next segment does that mean when we had car companies for,
HUGE companies Gm and forward and all these car companies
teetering on the brink, of disaster and the big question

(25:10):
given to, us, is well what are we going to
allow them? To FAIL and i didn't cherish the notion
of automakers losing jobs because the company, went under not.
At all but the market delivers harsh decisions sometimes and,
harsh rulings and there is there's lessons to be learned.
In failure too Big to fail was a, big deal
a big almost hashtag at. The time so should we

(25:31):
generally since workers' fates hang in, THE balance, i know
but if a big company is about, to fail should
we just let it because the greater good lies down?

Speaker 12 (25:44):
The?

Speaker 11 (25:44):
Road Absolutely and i'll give you a Personal Storm. Wall
street for twenty, ONE years i was working at a
fund during the two thousand and, eight Crisis and i'll
tell you what people Think that wall streeters are like
this big group who wants to aggregate. To themselves we
were absolutely in with the idea of a bunch of
big banks disappearing and sort of starting, from scratch, new

(26:04):
banks new relationships and all that sort.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Of thing, of course.

Speaker 11 (26:06):
They're rescued but there's another THING here i need. To mention,
you know you mentioned, car companies and that's an. Important
example for, another reason the argument would, be, read well
there's only three, Car, companies well how come there. Aren't
more one of, the reasons why is that regulatory barriers
and all sorts, of other, you know ways of hampering
the markets have kept there from being a number of.
Car companies, you know why are there, only say thirteen

(26:28):
huge banks that they've been around for over one. Hundred
years oftentimes the very same regulations that is said to,
you know protect consumers and, all that and it may
do some of that actually creates barriers to new entrepreneurs
coming into. A business so there's a whole bunch of levels.
Of this, BUT yes i would say absolutely it'll. Be
unfortunate but the more we interfere with the, market working
the more, we're promising the more we're guaranteeing that there

(26:50):
will be, Future bailouts there'll be, less companies there'll be
more unemployment in. The future best to get it, over
with tear the band aid off quickly and let them
economy go on with what.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
It does then sixty seconds that will continue in the.
Next break how does this make you feel about anti
trust things, about monopolies so, to. Speak Monopolies if microsoft
has a huge part of, the market is it because they?
Deserve it should we try To bust should we try
to bust up these dominant companies just in order to
spread things around for the for some.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Benevolent, reason.

Speaker 11 (27:20):
So of course dominance is, Not monopoly but even with
the ived monopoly in a truly, free market monopoly is
impossible without, one element and that one element is government
creating barriers to. Protect, them right a lot of companies
are built on things like patents and things, like that where, they,
say oh if we, don't innovate we're not. Guarantcy profit
we won't. Do it if you have a truly, free
market it is impossible to hold that, top position let

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alone alone for any significant period.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Of time.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
It's, impossible okay my bar was. Set high this is
even BETTER than i thought it.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Would.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Be more in a moment With Doctor, PETER earl i
want to ask him. ABOUT affordability i want to talk
a little bit about oil and gas and the whole,
you know and just how we position ourselves in the
mid terms for the economy to to be doing. WELL
enough i know not all economic things are political and,
vice versa but some. Things Are mark Davison, for Scott
doctor EARLE and i back in, a moment.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Stick around we're leftist narratives go. To die this Is
The Scott.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
Jetting, show.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Yes It Is mark davis filling In for scott On,
this friday the thirty first Day, of july and we
are spending quality time with a, quality Gentleman Doctor, peter
earle At The american Institute For. Economic research and in
these last, few minutes let's go straight to, today's headlines,
good doctor and talk a little bit.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
About the word.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
DOUJOURE affordability i, of course affordability is a. Real Issue,
PRESIDENT trump i think has gone after this to a
degree because he senses that we've suddenly discovered affordability now
that people can blame him, for it and the media
culture didn't notice as much when things were Expensive. Under
biden how fair or unfair is it when an economy,

(29:00):
is good the incumbent president. Gets praise when the economy,
is struggling the incumbent president.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Gets torched.

Speaker 11 (29:08):
Unfair because economics actually, in lags which means when a policy,
is undertaken it can. Take anywhere and this depends upon
whether we're talking about, monetary policy, fiscal policy. Regulatory policy
it can take anywhere from months to years for those effects,
To received so depending on where they are in, their
term oftentimes great policies can wind up landing in the.
Next administration that sort. Of thing so, it's very very

(29:30):
difficult to, figure out which is another reason why we
like letting the market do what, it does because the
market tends to be the most responsive to what's happening
in prices and that sort.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Of places this is so opportune because There's something i've
said for a, long TIME and i think you've given
me quality ammunition. For This president clinton won reelection in
nineteen ninety six because we had relative peace and. RELATIVE
prosperity i was doing talk shows at. The time harder
that may be, to BELIEVE and i actually floated to
people the belief That While bill clinton had not done

(30:03):
anything to single handedly wreck, the economy that in the
mid nineties we were enjoying the second decade of a
boom brought In, by REAGANOMICS did i have a leg
to stand on then?

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Or now.

Speaker 11 (30:18):
So many of those policies did wind up being good for.
The economy, you know there are a Lot of, it's
very very difficult to attribute one cause, to anything especially.
In economics people want economics to seem. Like physics.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
It's not to.

Speaker 11 (30:30):
Social science it's. VERY complicated, I mean i would say
everything from the lag Of certain reagan administration policies to
Some early, clinton policies to things like the fact that,
we had, you Know a congress and an executive branch
that were willing to. Negotiate things, we also by the
way we already saw it in dot com stocks starting

(30:50):
in maybe ninety six or, ninety seven thirty years ago
when my career in. Finance began but we did have
the beginnings of some really, great productivity a real great.
Productivity boom so any number of factors contributed. To that
to give, one person especially one Person, IN washington dc,
or whatever the credit is an oversimplification that it's good for,
sound bites but it has no bearing on.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Economic reality, last Thing and i'm so so grateful for our.
Time today what is a conservative to do? WITH Tariffs
a trump supporting conservative Of an america first kind, Of
person but making the observation and in this sort of
discussion of the less a fair world of economics that
YOU and i seem to, both embrace tariffs are a

(31:33):
government thing that government does to bring about a. Certain
result so where does that leave you on the fascinating
talking sport.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Of tariffs.

Speaker 11 (31:43):
My personal view is that tariffs are an interference. WITH
trade i understand that some governments use them to sort
of give their industries or their workers on. LEG up,
i mean this country has saw some explosive growth through
letting the principle of comparative, advantage work where we've bought Things.
From china we sold Things. To china, you know a
trade deficit doesn't mean we're. Losing you and trade as

(32:05):
a game where there's a winner and, a loser it's
a pretty, bad approach. You KNOW so i am generally.
AGAINST tariffs i understand that there are arguments. For it
the only one of the arguments that ever made resisonates
with me would be some of the arguments about. National
security but, even there, YOU know, I mean, I think
i think it's better to have a strong country because
of our economy and trade. With others but, you know some,

(32:25):
of that some of that sort of thought is not
in vogue. Right now so, You know i'm forced to
deal with the news and the h and the decisions as.
They're MADE were i king for, a day things.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Might change, but, bonus bonus final question about. SIXTY seconds
i heard your EARLIER say i want. MORE billionaires i,
DO too i want everybody to. Do better is it
just mathematically and economically illiterate to say that the presence
of wealth somehow exacts a negative effect on those further down.

Speaker 11 (32:54):
The chain that is probably the most pernicious myth out.
There today it's not a fixed. Price pie the, pie grows,
YOU know i mean The average, american now The, average
american anybody you, could find. Is wealthier and here's the
quality of living than a billionaire or the equivalent of
a billionaire would have been in.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Nineteen.

Speaker 11 (33:10):
Hundred right the rising tide lifts, all boats some quicker.
Than others and it's not a fixed it's not a.
Fixed size by.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Thank, you So Doctor peter earl is Over The american
Institute For. Economic research check. Them out check. Him out anything,
he writes he does a lot, of writing a lot.
Of thinking thanks so much for your. Time today just
a real gift. From you, thank, you Sir Doctor. Peter Earl,
All right mark Gavisent For. Scott jennings let's see what
we got going on in the. Next hour, some POLITICS some.
Ai talk always got to fix figure OUT some. Ai
talk be, right back, stay.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Here common sense For the. American people this Is The
Scott jenny.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Hunger smart take.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
It away, thank you, My friend, thank You. Mister scott
enjoy your. Elongated weekend whatever you. ARE doing i Know what,
i'm doing sling in hot topics With the american people
and hopefully with large dollops of the common sense that
A company this programs byword On The Salem, News Channel Salem,
radio network wherever you are watching, or listening we. Are

(34:06):
Grateful I'm, mark Davis the happy morning host at six
sixty Am the answer Here In Dallas, fort worth the
building FROM which i. Join you in our, first hour
we talked a lot about the economy With Doctor. Peter
earle we talked about just the political Treachery Of john
Cornyn And. Tom tillis just what in the world these.
Outgoing troublemakers they JUST the tds on. Full display it's just,

(34:32):
a sad. Sad thing but the happy thing is That
both Senator tell Us And senator cornyn are soon to
be back in private life where the will Of the
american people has. Placed them we hope that fate places
you here in, our audience and that you can pick
up the phone and be placed on our phone lines
to have a chat about various things. Coming up at
the bottom of, The Hour brendan steinauer is going to.

(34:54):
Join us he's got a LOT of ai issues in,
his head SO. DO i a lot of political things things.
Going on we'll talk, about those but things in. The
news fauci's Week Trumpet camp david doing the in the.
Cabinet MEETING. They cbs you KNOW what. CBS did cbs is,
like Suspendus Put tony romo.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
ON leave.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
I.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Get it drunk driving is. Extremely serious but was? HE
drunk i. Don't know can somebody? Look drunk of course.
They can you can look drunk if you're, just tired disjointed.
Or whatever you can also be drunk and be pretty.
High functioning so doing this on a visual from a
police body cam is kind. Of tricky usually there are

(35:38):
things like breathalyzers and blood tests that can answer. Those
Questions but tony refused both. OF those, Whoa okay so
does this MEAN that cbs doesn't? Believe him when he told,
the officer the, officer said where are you coming from?
Golf course how many drinks?

Speaker 9 (35:55):
You?

Speaker 4 (35:56):
HAD zero i hear your skepticism pouring toward me in.
My EARPIECE but i. Don't know we. DON'T know i
asked on My own twitter feed a, moment ago if
you're a big fan OF, the x The, old twitter THE.
Old x IT'S been x for. THREE years i don't
know anybody who calls it That. It's Twitter mark DAVIS m. A.

(36:18):
R k DAVIS M A. R, k Davis, and scott
of course Is At Scott jennings ky As. In kentucky his,
Proud state my proud State. Is texas we've got a
lot going on, around here and a lot of, that
intersects obviously with The Whole senator cornyn.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Fall.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
From grace this is a guy Who while conservatives have
had their Grumblings about cornyn, for decades nobody's ever come
close to beating him in a primary until this year
when he was resoundingly Thumped By. Ken paxton and now
in a fit of bad blood, and spite not only

(36:57):
is he failing to board the train and do what
he said said he, would do and that's Helped the,
republican Win help Paxton. Beat tallerico there's been none. Of
that that's a sin. OF omission a sin of comission
is the obstructionism that he is committing here on the
way out in trying To Block President Trump's attorney general

(37:18):
nominee because of his arcane objections TO the irs settlement
that may or may not still have the anti. WEAPONIZATION fund,
i mean there's just so, many syllables so. Many syllables
yet when you boil. It Down, Merrick Garland joe biden's
Disastrous Attorney general cornin, loved him took To the florida
to glowingly speak. Of him, oh man what are you?

(37:41):
GONNA do i Know what i'm gonna DO is i
give you the phone number and see what's up and
actually go to. Those calls phone number here is eight
four to four eight six one five five three seven
eight four to four eight six one five to five.
Three seven i've got other stuff, to share but let's
do a little phone call action right here in my
own state Of Tex Steve mark Davison For. Scott jennings

(38:02):
how you?

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Doing heany, God bless i'm. DOING well i know you.
Are too economic economic things. For POLITICS the dnc is
reported to have sixteen million in assets eighteen million. In
debits they're two million, underwater supposedly WHEREAS the rnc supposedly
has over one hundred million in. Their, coffers Now the

(38:25):
DEMOCRATIC the, dnc, says well we don't have the money
in our coffers because we're taking everything that comes in
and immediately giving it to the races that. Need it
how much truth is there is there? To that mark
and what is the strategy OF the rnc with?

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Their, coffers okay.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Number one is what the is that An actual democrat?

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Thing said that.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Is, true yes it is the way they run, their
finances especially with so many immediate races in. Their primaries
and what if you are one of those Socialists, leaning
democrats you want to generate a lot of money to make.
Further impact if you're a More, traditional democrat you're involved
in a lot of fundraising to try to extinguish this.
Brush fire there's a sense of urgency Among the democrats

(39:11):
that involves a lot of spending right now That the
republicans don't have right now in terms of the urgency,
right now they're keeping the, powder dry playing the, long,
game probably which doesn't mean they're going to be inert
and not saying or doing anything for the entire Month.
Of August But labor day is a traditional kind of
kickoff day, for campaigns and once we get to the

(39:31):
Middle of september And, certainly october you'll See both Democrats
and republicans spending a lot of money on going after.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Each other, What, else.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
Well, that's. IT sir i was wondering IF the dnc
actually had money that was coming in and flow and
flowing out their. Individual Candidate do we never saw?

Speaker 4 (39:49):
They do they? Distinctly, Possible stee thank you appreciate it very.
Very much is? Money important? Of course it is is. Money,
everything no. It's not did we Ever Have President? Ross
perow did we Ever Have President?

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Steve?

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Forbes No Was ken paxton outspent Enormously By john, cornyn
yep and he beat him like. A Drum Will james
talerico out out have more contributions and Thus Outspend ken Paxton?

Speaker 6 (40:22):
In?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
November absolutely will?

Speaker 7 (40:25):
It?

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Matter NOPE and i don't mean that to say that
it's a. Zero factor, money is of course. Enormously huge
messaging is always going to be able to overpower a.
Financial disadvantage and when you have feelings running as Strongly
in texas as you have right now that are to

(40:48):
keep our, state red to stop, the dangerous dangerous views
Of Woke Opie. James Tallerico woke opie is not. My
concoction that is from My Friend chris putnam At The,
dallas express A publication i currently.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Write for they are. Very good check. Them out let's check.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
This out we've we've highlighted coin, It enough let's go
to his partner. In crime this is. Cut too This
Is North Carolina Senator tom tillis weaving this weird conspiracy tale,
that somebody It's not, trump himself but, some dark nefarious
figure is Keeping the president from seeing the lights and
cooperating With The cornyn. Tillis Cabal, senator tillis.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
This Is not.

Speaker 12 (41:31):
Lance's problem it's clear to Me that lance was honest
when he answered, without hesitation working with us to. End
THIS and i believe that one Of the president's advisors
who were part of, this agreement is the problem and
they need to own it because the best case scenarios
should come back with the same number of people, next

(41:52):
year and our members are to be not going to
be any more supportive of this than they. Are today
so the best thing is tak win gets confirmed and
get this agreement out of, the way because it's a
yoke around. His popularity it's a yoke around our members
are running in.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
This election, Oh Yeah tom tillis is really Worried About donald.
Trump's popularity take. The win it's not a win unless
blanches in under his terms without being edited and nitpicked
by the Likes Of tom Tillis And, john cornyn and
they both speak the. Same language, it's, like man if

(42:30):
we're trying to, help you here're just if you'll just
listen to us and give us what. We want you
guys aren't even going to be Senators. Come january who
are you to dictate terms to the people in the
party who actually are still going to be. Running things
and they also, both say You know senate's going to
be exactly the Same.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
In, january no. It won't you'll.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Be Gone tom tillis won't be, There Anymore john cornyn
won't be, there anymore And the senate will thus have
a better Class. Of Republicans mark davis And For, scott
jennings stick around eight four to four eight six one
five five.

Speaker 9 (43:07):
Three seven, YOU'RE right i kind, of thought and your
two cents at eight four four eight six one five five.
Three seven that's eight four four a six one five five.
Three Seven mark davis filling in for The Great scott
Jennings On This, Friday, Show friday july.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Thirty, first also if you want to get any kind
of connectivity going, with me the World of twitter, is
There and i'm There At, MARK DAVIS. M. A. R.
K davis thank, you guys very, very much speaking of
connecting with people on a day filled with thoughts about,
the midterms thoughts about the. Summer primaries if you've got
any THOUGHTS, about ai Our Buddy brendan steinhauser going to
join us coming up in the in the. Next segment,

(43:46):
right now let's see who's joining us on the phones
at eight, four four, eight, six, one five five. Three
seven we Are In Tennessee Steve mark davis In. For
scott how are, you? Doing sir.

Speaker 13 (44:00):
If you can explain to me what's going? On here
Why Is darlene graham not going by her married name on?
THE ballot i know she's looking for the, sympathy vote
with all due respect, to HER and i can't think
of what her last married name in the beginning WITH,

(44:20):
a d it's.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
It's nobody do WITH, an n it's.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Nor done so the simple answer, To this i'll give
you the, simple answer and you tell me if you
accept the. Simple answer she has sort of been operating in,
professional circles private sector circles and has sort of Gone
By darlene. Graham forever now that she's in, the game
of politics and seeking to. Earn votes it's all about.

(44:43):
NAME recognition, i mean. You're right is it? About sympathy
you bet. It is but it's also, name recognition something
that pops off, the page something that Going By darlene
graham clearly helps. Her win so that's the probably the
bigger reason why she's. Doing it she intends a absolutely
no disrespect to. Her husband there is zero evidence that

(45:04):
her very, low key subdued private life husband has any problem,
with that which is probably the end of any excuse
any of us have to get real worked up.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
About it what do?

Speaker 13 (45:16):
You, Think, okay well on, the ballot it will be
listed in. Alphabetical order will she be LISTED under g OR.
Under d.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
I'm guessing it probably is my, last name so that would.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Be, g.

Speaker 8 (45:34):
Okay, Thank, you okay.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
My pleasure come a in alrighty eight four four eight
six one five five. Three seven let's return to my State.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
Of.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
Texas, Lee hey Mark davis Son For. Scott jennings how
you Doing?

Speaker 8 (45:47):
This Friday, hey mark thank you so much for taking. My,
call sure with all OF the dsa trying to get
a foot Into The, DEMOCRATIC party i have a couple
OF thoughts i think That, the democrats some of them, are, saying,

(46:08):
oh well we really don't, want this people are. TOO
radical i think that's a bunch OF bull i think
they they that's exactly What the, democrats want and they're
hiding behind that by saying we really don't. Want that
and as far as, that's concerned several, YEARS ago I
remember Healing Hearing, hillary clinton he's for me to say, Saying,

(46:31):
that well our technique is is to pull on as
far as we can to the left and then jerk
them back to. The RIGHT and i think that might
be part of. Their strategy what they want, to do uh, Is,
say okay we're going to give, You this we're going
to give, you that and we're, you know we want
to do away with, the police uh force, and ice

(46:55):
and maybe they do one to do, with ice but
and then and then to get the votes of the, more,
moderates well, we're no we're not going to do away with.
The police you had to have, the police. So anyway
and then one, MORE thing i think That the republicans
need to start. Countering this yesterday AND a i used

(47:20):
to listen to this PRAGER and i remember he said
that he had a video that he said would change
people's minds just like that. About socialism so what About
The republican party adopting or using one of his videos
to try to counter all?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
This crip because any any Any anything dennis has ever
said or written would be of value to. Any conservative
let me. Take you i've got about a minute. A
half let me address everything you've given because it's, great
Points and lee thank you for. Making them on the
notion Of whether democrats are thrilled or not thrilled at
the rise of, the socialists the ones who share of
those views. Are thrilled they're really cranking up to eleven suburban,

(48:06):
white women people with all these lofty college degrees but no,
common sense as this show seeks. To dispense they love
this rise. Of socialism it's very much flavor of. The
month people of a, certain generation or people who just
aren't that, wildly liberal the people WHO remember jfk or
remember just The way Democrats and republicans used to interact

(48:29):
as Recently, as reagan they are mortified by this rise OF. The,
dsa now as far As what republicans ought to, be
doing this is one of the great debates in. Conservative
circles are those socialists so crazy that they are dismissable
or so successful that we can't afford to. Dismiss them
we'll talk about that some before we're. Done Today mark

(48:50):
Davison for.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Scott met common sense For the. American people this Is
The Scott.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Jenny, show.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Yes it, is is no matter who is hosting. It
today It's Me mark davis HERE in. Dfw or I'm
the happy morning host at six, sixty Am the answer
and universally available to pretty well, every show well pretty
well every show on. This platform i've been everywhere filled in.
For everybody I'm Doing. Hugh hewitt I'm back wednesday here

(49:21):
Doing The Hugh Hewitt show Monday and tuesday of, next
week so and my own show. Alongside it follow Me
on Twitter At, mark DAVIS m A R. K davis
and here's a Gentleman who i've run into both in
the network gig On The Salem, News Channel Salem, radio
network and on my own, local program and That Is,
brendan steinhauser who IS the ceo Of the Alliance FOR.

(49:41):
Secure ai if there's anything in ALL these ai stories
that strikes me as, really important it is to walk
the line with some sense of informed skill as to
just how concerned should, we be how excited should? WE
be i think embracing it unquestioningly is a. Bad, idea
screaming panicking and running under the bed as if we'll

(50:02):
all be dead by next year is. Also Unwise So
brendan steinhauser At the Alliance FOR, Secure, ai, welcome sir
how are.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
You doing nice to.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
Have you.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
It's great To.

Speaker 14 (50:13):
See mark thank you for.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Having me so we have.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Us, a story and boy do We and i'd need
for you first thing to kind of before we get
to what ADVANCED OPEN ai ai agents did in. GOING
rogue i could hear, listeners saying explain this, to Me like,
I'm eight so That's what i'm. Gonna do what happened
when A particular ai agent escaped what's called a sandboxed?

(50:40):
Cybersecurity evaluation translate That to english? For me what happened
that made eyebrows go up a couple of?

Speaker 14 (50:46):
Weeks, ago, sure well we found out thankfully the companies
who figured out what happened talked. About it so THE
open ai and the company that was actually hacked into talked,
about this and a little bit of an investigation to
figure out. What happened, but ESSENTIALLY these ai agents THAT
open ai was testing and what's called, a sandbox so

(51:08):
basically just a place that's supposed to be a safe
place to test, these models stress test them and do.
Different things those models that were being tested attempted to
cheat on the exam if. You will they escaped To,
the internet which they were not supposed to have, access
to so they got out of. The sandbox they then
went in the real world and hacked into a Company Called,

(51:29):
hugging face which is another KIND of, ai company because
the models believed that they could get the answers to
the test from.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
That, company, Okay fantastic so then thank you for.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Pausing precedent, thank no you, bet you thank you, for
Pausing because i'm going to have a lot of dumb.
Guy questions what were These ai what was the noble
purpose OF these? Ai agents if they had done, nothing
wrong if they were doing what they were intended to
do IN, open ai what would they.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Have, done.

Speaker 14 (51:58):
Yeah they were supposed to try and figure out the
answers to the test if, you will without necessarily breaking Onto,
the internet certainly without committing, a crime which if it
had been a, human being that hacking incident would have been,
A crime so they would have worked until they were
able to figure, it out and, if not essentially just
keep trying what they were supposed to do within the

(52:19):
confines of. The test but The Company opening eye did
not intend for them to escape, the sandbox go on
the internet in the real world and hack into, a,
company again committing a crime if it was done by a.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Human being, willfully.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
So every day as, WE speak ai AGENTS and ai
companies are exploring the limits of WHAT these ai entities.
Can do and a lot of it is, so useful so,
time saving so. Productivity enhancing it's great in ways we can't.
Even dream, and yet, of course if it all, goes

(52:55):
dark or, goes crazy or becomes evil or jumps, the
guardrails then bad. Things happen so what are the if
that's an example of what. This is is it seems like,
no harm, no foul or is it or is this
just an enormous? Red, FLAG.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah i think it's.

Speaker 14 (53:13):
THE latter i think it's an enormous red flag because
it's kind of the beginning of what we're going to
see in the months. To come and so this was
unique in that this was the first time that models
being tested actually escaped To the internet and did something
in the real world autonomously and decided to hack a
company or an organization on.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Their own so we're going to see more of.

Speaker 14 (53:34):
That potentially we're also going to see these capabilities continue
to double about every, four months so the capabilities are,
growing exponentially and the ability to autonomously on, their own
hack into different things or make decisions in the. Real
world that clearly that capability, is there and so that's
what's giving pause to a lot. Of people, YOU know

(53:55):
i think it's interesting because this actually spooked the very
people building. The technology we see nearly thirteen hundred employees
from THE leading ai lads just in the last few
days come out with a, letter saying we need to.
Fix this, we're trying but we need some mechanisms where
we all agree to what they what they call to
pace development to slow. It down we're necessary put in

(54:16):
the proper safeguards so that we don't go down this road.
To disaster so that was a very powerful statement from
the very people who are building.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
This technology, it was and it's of the type that
you can get from, you know sort of the godfather
of MUCH, Of Ai, elon musk who has there is
he is groc and yet he's a guy who has
quoted a number of times is, saying this this can,
kill us this can, destroy us and which makes, People, go,
okay dude then why are you so deeply involved in

(54:44):
shoving it down. Our throats it's, it's BECAUSE as, i
think your byword in one of your posts is, slow
down get, it right and put in the. Necessary safeguards
if we can, do that you and your entire op,
operation There the Alliance FOR, secure ai believe that we
can enjoy the BENEFITS of ai and at, least minimize

(55:07):
if not eliminate. The NIGHTMARES do i have? That right, That's,
right yeah. That's right we want to reap the benefits
and mitigate. The risks we want to get the percentages
down in terms of the, risk side so we can
enjoy all the wonderful benefits that we've been promised and
that you know a lot of the research is.

Speaker 14 (55:25):
Going into and so we do want to. Cure diseases
we want to see life expectancy. Go up we want
to reduce. Human suffering we want massive wealth created and
people have the ability to create, you know. New, businesses uh,
you know, work smarter, not more work a little, less
hard have. More money we want we want. That opportunity
we want to solve nuclear fusion so we have. Abundant

(55:46):
energy but to, your point you Know, About elon he
said To the economists in an interview this past week
that he thinks on the current path that we're on
in the next decade that if we don't do something
THAT actually ai.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Will be in control rather than.

Speaker 14 (55:59):
Human being so when he, said that it sort of
shocked a lot, of people but he's been saying that
for a, long time AND so i think what he's
telling the world is we at the companies, and yes
the government need to get together and figure out the
right approach here because we don't want to have a
situation where we're not benefiting BUT rather ais essentially take
over and they're running.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
The show there's A term i hear a lot that
is supposed to comfort us and it will if, it
works and that's called humans in the loop that no
MATTER what ai, is doing there will always at some
point be a human, crossing guard a, human cop a
human supervisory force that will KEEP the ai from genuinely

(56:40):
killing everybody on the planet or some. Lesser fate that's
fine if, it works it's easy to. Talk about BUT
as ai displays the talent you just described to get
twice as good at anything in a very small amount,
of time that's a big leap. Of trust we got
to make to something to has no heart and.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
No soul that's.

Speaker 14 (57:03):
Exactly right the capabilities are doubling every. Four months the
companies are building what they're, calling superintelligence which could, be
hundreds if not thousands of times faster and smarter than.
Human beings they are terrified in the labs about what.
They're seeing they don't understand the technology that, they're building
and they're getting these these kind of workshops on what's

(57:24):
called recursive. Self improvement recursive self IMPROVEMENT means ai is
BUILDING better ais BUILDING. Better ais we're on the cusp,
of that and so the concern within the labs, right
NOW the, ai labs is THAT if ais are essentially
taking over ninety eight ninety nine percent of research and DEVELOPMENT,
of ai.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Then human beings won't be in.

Speaker 14 (57:43):
The loop we won't know what's, going on we won't,
understand it and therefore we won't be able to. Control
it so when you take the incidence that happened recently
WITH open ai And, hugging face and you think about
other examples that we've had in the, past year and
you combine that with where, we're headed that's what's causing
all of the rank and file employees to kind of
raise their hand, and, say yeah we need to do

(58:03):
something very fast to prevent these.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Nightmare scenarios in our last couple, of minutes let's go
from something that's very techie and about rogue agents doing
things in the online universe and do something that's very.
Very human you had a post about a story that touched,
my heart and there are going to be a lot
of stories. Like this there's a mom looking to lead
a reform effort in the WORLD of ai after her

(58:28):
son's conversations WITH an ai chat bot led him to
some degree of. Self, harm first the first THING that
i think of is whose fault is that you'd like
to raise kids that are strong enough that a chatbot
won't get them to hang himself in. The closet but
by the, same token it's a world of loneliness and
self absorption in today's kids are all messed up in various,

(58:50):
Ways anyway so just what is your take on that
story and are we going to see more and more
really sad stories in this very isolated time where kids
are so are hop it into relationships. With, chatbots.

Speaker 14 (59:05):
Yeah it's a, really concerning uh story related to the DEVELOPMENT.
Of ai so these models are designed to be built
for engagement, and connection and so the companies build them
so that you the, human being will want to spend
more time talking to your agent or talking to your
companion if you have one.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Of those and by, the way.

Speaker 14 (59:24):
Quite a large number of young people and people in
general are engaging with chatbots in a way that's a
friendship or a counselor relationship or even a. Romantic relationship
so that is coming and that, is here and so,
you know the models are built in a way to
get engagement and to get, your attention and so it's
a really. Big problem and we've seen a number of

(59:44):
cases where unfortunately chatbots have coached young people on how to.
Commit suicide it's happened in a number, of cases a
couple of them Here in texas as well as around,
the country and so it's a it's a really. Big problem,
and yes parents are. Rising up they're they're boving lawsuits against.
The companies they're trying to hold the companies and the CEO's.
Responsible personally some of them have. Reached settlements some of

(01:00:08):
these parents are pushing for legislation to protect kids and
to again hold the. Companies RESPONSIBLE but i think this
is a new era that we're in and we absolutely
need new policies to deal with this very strange and
weird future that we have.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Now, entered well we also need people who, are vigilant
in able to appreciate the BENEFITS, of ai yet very
very aware of. Its risks and THAT'S what i like about,
you Guys the Alliance FOR. Secure Ai their twitter feed
is secure. Ai Now brendan steinhauser is At b stein. Eight,
zero brendan. THANK you i appreciate it very much and

(01:00:44):
thanks for all.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
You do Thank.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
You Mark, All right so there. We GO so i
was really hoping for a nightmare. Free weekend BUT and
i don't mean, to be, you know glib or dismissive
about this that are, simultaneously true multiple things true at the.
Same time THIS whole ai revolution. Is remarkable it has

(01:01:08):
helped me in my professional life in dozens. Of ways
and YET as i hear these stories about how it
kind of has a, self interest Is Like isaac asimov's
a robot, on steroids and you've got to be wondering
how to walk. This Path so brendan steinauerser a good
outfit there At the Alliance FOR. Secure Ai mark Davison,

(01:01:31):
for scott be. Right back portion To The Scott.

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(01:04:07):
In texas we've been talking some about. The nation takes
a great notice of our political significance in our political cast,
of characters speaking of people who aren't going to be around,
much longer and, admit it you'll kind of. Miss her
it's time For Today's jasmine. Crockett moments in this, Cut
three jasmine Comes. After, DEI okay i can politically understand

(01:04:32):
that there are white people Coming, after dei but she
makes an interesting observation here that might involve a smidge
of scrutiny soon to Be Former. Congressman crockett cut three.

Speaker 15 (01:04:44):
Go number one when they decided to go after quote,
unquote dei black women the most educated demographic in this
country somehow ended up the most unemployed out. Of everyone
like that is Whether you i'm, just saying there are
certain targets that don't miss any, of us no matter

(01:05:05):
who we think.

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We, ARE.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
Well i don't know who you think, you are but
it's interesting who you think is the most educated Demographic.
In america first, Of all god bless black women and
the degree to which they are. Highly educated god bless
all women and the degree to which they are. Highly
educated god bless all people and the degree to which
they are. Highly, educated however if you are, keeping track

(01:05:32):
and by, THE way i. Don't CARE first i hope
your education is actually enriching you and it's not some
degree in Lesbian intersectional eskimo studies or just please get
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
And learn about.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
The world if it's, in, College great if it's, not
great you'll learn how to fix. A refrigerator you'll be fine.
For life, among women the, most educated That's the. Asia
women then come the, white ladies Then the, black Ladies the.
Hispanic ladies and this says nothing about those. Specific races

(01:06:08):
please You know hispanic women are some of the smartest
Human beings i've, ever met depending on who. It is,
you know The wise LATINAS that i know are Smarter Than.
Sonya sotomayor but this is all the cherry picking and
the nonsense and the poison that rains down on us
when when race. Runs everything, So anyway i'll tell you

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Assembly help always great to hang out with, my buddy,
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