Sec. Doug Collins is Taking Care of America's Heroes

On today’s edition of The Scott Jennings Show, Scott examines the latest developments involving Iran, the congressional vote to hold Dr. Anthony Fauci in contempt, and the political fallout from Michigan’s primary elections. Scott also takes a look at the growing influence of Abdul El-Sayed within the Democratic Party and the latest headlines surrounding Rep. Max Miller. Secretary Doug Collins joined the show to discuss accomplishments at the Department of Veterans Affairs and current priorities for serving veterans, while constitutional scholar Jed Rubenfeld analyzed the Fauci controversy and what legal and political developments could come next. Later, former Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker discussed the rise of socialism, the political climate on college campuses, and Wisconsin’s gubernatorial race, while Jason Roe broke down Michigan’s primary results and the outlook for the general election.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The voice of free speech, the truth delivered common sense
for the American people. Welcome to the Scott Jenning Show.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Today we dive into the Michigan Senate race Abdul l
Sayid versus Mike Rogers. Already l Sayed is threatening Rogers' safety.
It's a campaign of anger and hate from the radical left,
and we'll discuss it throughout the show. Today, Doctor Anthony
Fauci faces contempt charges from the US Senate Committee that

(00:34):
he stonewalled last week. Details ahead, and the Department of Veterans'
Affairs continues to hum along in quiet competence, and the
secretary running the show, Doug Collins, is here to tell
us about it. Today is Thursday, August the sixth. I'm
Scott Jennings, broadcasting for Salem, and we're coming to you
live from Louisville, Kentucky. Today, back in the studio after

(00:56):
a few days off and seeing some beautiful country out with.
If you haven't seen the Grand Tetons or the majesty
of Yellowstone National Park, all I can say is get
there as soon as you can. On this day, nineteen
forty five, the world changed because an American president made

(01:16):
a decision to understand it, you have to go back
one hundred and sixteen days. Franklin Roosevelt was dead, and
suddenly his vice president, Harry Truman, a former haberdasher from Independence, Missouri,
was President of the United States, and he was about
to learn a national security secret that would eventually lead
to one of the most important decisions in world history.

(01:40):
Until he took the oath of office, nobody had told
mister Truman that the United States was secretly building the
most powerful weapon in human history. But the day after
taking over, Truman was finally briefed, and soon the decision
was his. The war in Europe was over, but Japan
fought on Oknow in fact, had cost America more than

(02:02):
twelve thousand dead soldiers, and military planners were preparing for
an invasion of the Japanese home Islands, a battle that
everyone expected to exact a horrific cost in American blood.
But Truman had the other secret option, a secret held
so close that almost nobody in Washington knew that it existed,

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and Truman chose to use it. At eight fifteen on
the morning of August the sixth, they be twenty nine
bomber called the Anola Gay name for the pilot's mother,
released an atomic bomb over Hiroshima. The city disappeared, tens
of thousands died, but still Japan refused to quit, and

(02:46):
three days later Truman authorized the same for Nagasaki, and
after those two cities were destroyed, on August the fifteenth,
Japan announced its surrender. The debate over Truman's decision has
never ended. Good Japan have been forced to surrender another way?
Or did Truman's decision prevent an invasion that would have

(03:07):
killed hundreds of thousands Americans and Japanese alike. Truman himself
never publicly wavered. He believed his duty was to end
the war and bring American soldiers home, and eighty one
years ago today, Harry Truman made one of the most
consequential decisions that any president has ever made. August sixth,

(03:27):
nineteen forty five. In today's News of War and Peace,
Iran and Oman are said to be on the brink
of a deal to open the Strait of Hormuz for
commercial shipping. The two countries sit on either side of
the waterway. Still seems to be some haggling over tolls
and fees. Oil still hovering in the mid seventies per barrel.

(03:47):
Today average gas price in America four dollars and six cents,
three fifty four in Indiana, five sixty two in California.
Capitol Hill. This morning, the Senate Committee on Homeland Security
Governmental Affairs voted to hold doctor Anthony Fauci in contempt
for refusing to answer questions last week at a hearing

(04:08):
on what happened during COVID. Fauci invoked his Fifth Amendment
rights over one hundred times during that hearing, despite having
already received a blanket pardon from former President Joe Biden.
Kentucky Senator Ran Paul chairs the committee. He had this
to say before the eight to seven vote cut eight.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
We are voting on weather or witness who has received
the benefit of a sweeping federal pardon can be ordered
by this committee to answer questions and then defy that
order without consequence. This committee and the American people have
a right to know why doctor Fauci's agency funded dangerous
research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and what role
he played in approving and overseeing it.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
So now we expect this to be referred to the
Department of Justice for action. We'll talk with professor of
Constitutional law at Yale, Jed Rubinfield about it later this hour.
Up in Michigan, a monumental week in that state's politics,
as the Democrats on Tuesday nominated Abdul el Sayed, a socialist,

(05:10):
an acolyte of Bernie Sanders, and a clear anti Semite,
to carry its Parti's banner in the US Senate race
this fall. If Mom Donnie is the smiling face of
the socialist movement in America, El Sayed is the snarling, angry,
condescending other side of the coin. In his post primary

(05:32):
press conference, l Sayed is already threatening the safety of
his Republican opponent, Republican Mike Rogers, take a listen to
cut six.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Because at the time we're done, you are not going
to have safe quarter from people holding you accountable to
what you've done for them here in Michigan.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
We will send you back to Florida, where you belong.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
No safe quarter, l Sayid says, Now, lest you think
this is some overheated political rhetoric, understand what's happening in
Michigan right now. The state has a Democratic Attorney general
named Dana Nessel. She's Jewish, She says she cannot go
to the state Democratic Party convention because she won't be

(06:14):
physically safe from the rabid anti Israel crowd that will
be in attendance. Now you need to think about that
for a moment. The top law enforcement officer in the
state of Michigan isn't safe at a political party meeting. Specifically,
she's not safe because of the hateful supporters of Abdul
l Sayed, who's also now threatening the safety of his

(06:38):
own Republican opponent. Violence, intimidation, and a hate These are
the tools of the radical Islamists and the socialists who
seek to overthrow America as we know it. El Sayed's
best friend is a man named Hassan Piker. He's a
streamer popular among younger audiencesmpaigned in Michigan for l Sied repeatedly,

(07:03):
and you need to hear what he thinks of your country.
Cut fourteen. Yeah, kill them the street, let the streets,
Let the streets soak in their red capitalist bloods America
deserved nine to eleven.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Dude, you are all unbelievably islamophobic pieces issue.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Day after day after day. The LSIED campaign is projecting
a culture of violence and intimidation against the people of Michigan,
and every question he has asked is met with some
form of attacking Israel or simply the Jews. And it's
also met with some deep, deep dishonesty. Last night, l

(07:48):
Saied appeared on CNN and was asked about iron Dome
funding for Israel. That's their defensive missile shield. Take a
listen cut four. Some people might hear that and say, well,
does he support, you know, funding defensive systems like the
iron Dome in Israel?

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Do you.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
I don't believe that there's really a difference between offensive
or defensive weapons. And I also don't believe it's my
responsibility to buy defensive weapons for a foreign government when
our kids are defenseless against schools that have been underfunded
for a very, very long time. My responsibility is the
next senator from Michigan, is children in Michigan, rather than

(08:26):
thinking about what's in the interest of a foreign government.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
According to abdul l said, if we only allow more
Jews to be obliterated by Iranian missiles, we could have
good schools in America. That's the answer to every question.
All good things are prevented by the existence of the Jews.
Of course, the facts here make l Sayed look like
a fool. We spend about one trillion dollars a year

(08:51):
on public education in this country, and last year we
spent about one hundred and ten million on the Iron
Dome Missile defense program. And it protects every Israeli, every Arab,
and every American who finds him or herself underneath it.
Take it from me. I've stood under and watched it
defeat Iranian missiles firsthand. Recall that Abdul l Sayed didn't

(09:14):
want to make any statements about the Ayatola's death because
he didn't want to offend his campaign supporters. It's hard
to escape the idea that this man is a sympathizer
of the Iranian terrorist regime. Strange times. Will the people
of Michigan stand for this? El Sayed nearly lost the
primary Tuesday because working class Democrats voted against him, white

(09:35):
and black. I might add, his revolution is one of
over educated, privileged white college kids, along with the Arab
population of Michigan that is motivated by its hatred of
Israel and the Jewish people. It's an interesting race We'll
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After this, got to talk about Congressman Max Miller in
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All Right, Thursday, August sixth, It is the Scott Jennings
Show here on Salem. Wanted to talk for a moment
about this issue in Ohio. If you're following congressional politics

(12:48):
in Washington, you may have heard recently about a congressman
from Ohio's seventh district named Max Miller. Max Miller is
a young guy. I've been in office a short period
of time. He is facing mounting calls to both resign
his house seat and to abandon his reelection campaign over

(13:13):
allegations of domestic abuse. Miller denies the allegations, and I
want to say up front before we do our commentary
that he says and has said in his interviews that
every allegation you've heard about from his current wife, from
his ex girlfriends, and so on, it's all false. At

(13:33):
least three women have made accusations against Miller, he says,
and I want to be clear about this, none of
it is true. However, one of the strongest voices in
this entire saga has been the senior senator from Ohio,

(13:54):
Bernie Marino. Bernie is a friend of the show, and
he's a friend of mine. And it is his daughter
who was married to Max Miller. They're now divorced. Who
is in the middle of this. Bertie Marino says today
that his family and his daughter are so fearful of

(14:18):
their safety from Max Miller that he has sent them
out of the state to live elsewhere while all of
this is getting sorted out. It is quite a drama
and quite a saga going on in Ohio. Also at
the center of this as a little girl two and
a half years old who is constantly being spoken of

(14:41):
on television by her father, including in an interview with
Jake Tapper on CNN just the other day. Let's hear
that and cut thirteen.

Speaker 8 (14:51):
Now, your ex wife stated to police that your child
told her in the days leading up to the discovery
of the injury quote, daddy kill you and your xif
I've also said your child had said daddy angry and
Daddy's house is scary you. Now, according to your wife,
your daughter articulated these statements to Children and Family Services.

Speaker 9 (15:10):
Jake, I wish you could talk to my beautiful baby girl.
She can't string together sentences like that. She's two and
a half years old. She doesn't have the ability to
articulate any of what you just said. That is an
entire fabrication of the truth.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Now, Miller, in that thirty minute interview with Jake Tapper,
contradicted himself a lot and frankly exhibited behavior that tells me,
regardless of what you think of the allegations, that he
needs to be doing anything other than running for Congress
right now, this man needs to take stock of his

(15:50):
life and take stock of what his responsibilities are as
a father. It's not good to have this kind of
thing for a child playing out in the national media
the way it is. Politically, it's obvious what a Republican
Party ought to do here, and that's to convince Miller
to drop President Trump has expressed to Miller that is

(16:12):
going to be tough. He has not publicly called on
him to drop out. There's just a few days to
go before anything could be done about this. We'll see
what happens, but I hope mister Miller looks at this
rationally and steps aside for someone who can put their
full attention into the job. Secretary Doug Collins. After this,
stay with the one man.

Speaker 7 (16:31):
I'm standing tall against the leftist mob. Here's Scott Jennings.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
It is Thursday, August to sixth, common sense for the
American people. Scott Jennings is here. I know in our
audience we have a lot of veterans, and we have
a lot of family members who are helping take care
of veterans who are in their family. And so if
you're in that crowd, you know about the Department of

(16:57):
Veterans Affairs. It is a cabinet level department in our
executive branch of the federal government that provides lifelong healthcare,
disability compensation, education assistance, home loans, and burial benefits to
eligible military veterans and their qualified family members. It is
a large agency. It is a big bureaucracy. It takes

(17:19):
a good manager to make this run well. And under
Secretary Doug Collins, appointed by President Trump, it cannot be
argued otherwise, this is one of the best run agencies
of the federal government or of government at any level,
and joining us to discuss that is Secretary Doug Collins,

(17:40):
welcome into the show, Sirus, there'll be ready. Well, thank
you for taking the time to talk to us today.
I've been keeping an eye on what's going on over
at the VA, and you have such a record of
accomplishment here a year and a half into your service.
I want to start here. This just came out the
day day you have all this casework to do at

(18:03):
the Department of Veterans Affairs. You have significantly reduced the
disabilities claims backlog. It's now below seventy thousand cases for
the first time since twenty twenty, and average processing times
have been cut to seventy eight days. It was one
hundred and forty days when you took over this job.

(18:24):
Let's start there.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
How did you do it well, this guy, that's a
great question because but really was one of focus, and
what we tried to do from day one was put
the VA back with one focus, in one focus only.
We're probably the only retail if you would cabinet agency.
In other words, if we don't have a veterans show up,
we don't have a job. And I've reminded all of
our employees that that they have a job to do
and to take care of veterans. And one of the

(18:46):
areas was this slowness of getting We just got lethargic.
I mean, one hundred and twenty five days was considered backlog,
and we were well over that number. And so I said,
what we do is we're gonna put overtime to it,
We're gonna put people to it. We're gonna say this
is not acceptable. And so we just knocking it down.
That number goes lower a good bit. And we're also
taking the steps to say with work with DW and

(19:07):
Pete and I've agreed on this. If we get to
file quicker from DW, which is just right now, I'll
hold up. It's something that's just been endemic for a while.
We can actually get those numbers closed claims between thirty
and forty days. But it's just about putting veterans first,
and that's what the President told me to do, and
so we're doing that. So it's like I got a
lot of great folks who work at the VA. They've

(19:27):
taken you know, the BA has taken a lot of
you know, flack over the years, a lot of it deserved,
a lot of it wasn't deserve. But I put them
back on the barns and saying, look, you're the largest
healthcare agency in the country, the largest disability. It's time
we act like it. And so I'm encouraging them to
be the you know, the people they should be, and
they's showing up for our veterans.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
A lot of the results that you've gotten, it seems
to me, have flowed out of this organizational restructuring that
you did. You eliminated a lot of the bureaucracy. Has
that been the key to getting these weight times down
into uncovering fraud and so on?

Speaker 6 (20:01):
It has? I think one of the things is the
VA Healthcare in particular was set up on the nineteen
nineties model. And that's being generous. And you know, over
the time, we went from you know, taking care of
you know, a few million investors over nine million veterans
going from me really a workforce of two hundred thousands,
almost a workforce of four hundred and fifty thousand. And
you can't do the same thing the same way. And

(20:22):
what had happened was we were the absolute if you
looked up Webster Dictionary in a bureaucracy, all they had
to do was put the vah picture. We were terrible.
And so I said, look, I said when I started
going out and I visited over thirty six states so far,
almost half or more of our hospitals, which we have
one hundred and seventy. And the one thing I kept
asking was what are we doing that stupid? And they

(20:44):
began to tell me, and they began to say, look,
we asked for help, but we goes up to the
higher ups and we never hear from it. So we
said we got way too much middle upper management away
from the hospitals. So we just divided things up. We
put policy under one, we put business line under another,
and we put a medical center operations to our undersecretary.
So it has been amazing what happens when you give
the people the tools they need to get direct answers,

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which in turn says the wait times come down, we're
getting better results, our care is getting better. And you
know that's the kind of stuff that they can look
at you making sure that we're doing what we're supposed
to be doing. But it's been a real huge break
for them.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
That voice you're hearing is Doug Collins. He is former
congressman from Georgia. He's now the Solitary of Veterans' Affairs
and Secretary of Collins. I've noted on the White House
website they've unveiled a website today detailing all of the
efforts to stop fraud in the federal government. You've been
part of that over at the VA. According to the
numbers I'm looking at at the VA, you've uncovered one

(21:42):
hundred and thirty five million dollars in fraudulent activity. You've stopped,
on an annualized basis, two billion dollars in fraud, and
you've enforced six hundred and seven million dollars in fraud.
It's a lot, obviously, when you have a big bureaucracy,
that's where you're going to find fraud. You've been very
successful at uncovering it. Talk to us about those efforts,

(22:06):
the general push to get fraud rooted out of our
federal government.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
Yeah, I mean it is, and bus resident's been working
on us side of the direction of the President and
for us look at that, I mean those numbers and
let's let's understand something, you know, the disability benefits. What
what our veterans have earned, they have earned. It's not
fraudulent that they've earned it. But what we do have
is we have you know, sometimes we have actors out
there that you know from education side or from uh

(22:31):
you know, outside doctors and bills that are coming in
that may be getting double bill, that kind of stuff.
So we just simply again, I can't emphasize to you enough.
I'm a sexary this shor short straight shooter. We wasn't
doing some things very good. Accounting wasn't very good. We
wasn't We were sort of just reconciling things. Towards the end.
We've put in a whole new management system in our

(22:51):
operation you know are uh for for operations management from
budget standpoint that now we actually see months to month
what we're doing. We actually see, you know, what we're spending,
what we're not spending, how we can save money, how
we can spend more money for vesters if we need
to in other areas. So this has led us to
having a clear eyed look at what we do. I
have to tell you funny story. When I first got
this job last February They couldn't tell me how many

(23:14):
employees I had.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
That's how that's how out of control the bureaucracy was.
We don't know how many people work here.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
We don't And we had four and fifty doos. And
then later in the year what I've got to find
out on this reorganization part was I also, you know,
I'm a military guy. I just retired from the Air Force.
We had a billet and a place for everybody where
everybody sat. Well, I didn't have that to the A
and now we do. So now I can tell you
how many doctors we have, how many nurses we have,
I tell you where they're located, how many you are
in a certain facility. We didn't have a basic management

(23:44):
tools at a facility that large. We didn't have. We
have it now that lets us look at things like fraud.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Well, the fight against fraud I think has captivated the
American people because everybody has a sense that there is
fraud in government, but they also have sinse that nobody
ever does anything about it. And I think this Fraud
Task Force reaching into every agency is making a difference
and it's convincing people that yes, if you just try
a little bit you can find these things, and I
think it's politically it's good for the president, but I

(24:14):
just think for overall government operations getting rid of the fraud,
it makes your cabinet obviously run better. I want to
talk to you about three initiatives that you've got going
on that I think are really aimed at making a
better quality of life for veterans. First of all, fighting
veterans suicide. I know you're passionate about this. I think
the most recent data shows there's about seventeen and a

(24:35):
half deaths per day veterans who die by suicide. You
have revamped how the department has approached fighting this epidemic
of veterans suicide. Talk to us about that.

Speaker 6 (24:47):
Yeah, we have, Scott. This is one of my ways
in my heart all the time because I see the
reports every day and the same thing. Have is probably
a low number. There's probably run fortunate. There's probably more
depends on how a lot of these times these are classified.
But for me, one is too many, and we're going
to continue to fight to do that. But what I
got when I got to the VA, what I found
was is we were sort of gotten into the old
Baptist preacher and me said, we're preaching to the choir.

(25:10):
We were sort of aiming our discussion in people who
were coming to the VA already or people that would listen.
And what we found was is out of those folks
who were doing choosing death by suicide, uh, sixty percent
had no contact with the VA. So we were not
even reaching the people we should be reaching. So I said, look,
we're gonna we're gonna redo the whole department. I got
rid of the you know, the leadership, change the manu

(25:33):
the way that we do be able to change the manuals,
so to speak. And now we're reaching out to where
our especially our newer veterans are. We're going to podcasts,
We're going to radio shows like yours. We're going to
I mean, I've been all over you know, I got
to hunting podcast. I'll go to we We worked with
Major League Baseball, we worked with you know, UFC, because
this is where my veterans are. And if we're not
spending money where our veterans are, to let them know

(25:55):
that they're not alone. And if you have a veteran
on this that's listening to their radio right now, they
hear your voice and there may be they're struggling. Hear
my voice. There's somebody who loves you and wants to
help you. Go to any VA facility, walkome and say hey,
I need to talk to somebody. You will be seen,
You will be somebody for you, and we're going to
continue to push that as long as I'm there.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
What is the phone number that a veteran should call
if they want to get in touch with the VA
and they're having these feelings and they just heard your message,
what should they call?

Speaker 6 (26:25):
Yeah, the biggest thing is down nine eight eight and
that's all they needed. That nine eight eight hit one ninety.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Al Right, fantastic. Doug Collins is the Secretary of Veterans Affairs.
We're talking about some programming to improve the quality of
life for our nation's veterans. The second one I wanted
to mention to you, and I thought this was fascinating.
Oftentimes veterans are facing and combating drug addiction. You're involved
in a study right now testing GLP ones. So these

(26:53):
are the shots that people have been using for diabetes
and to control their weight, but you're testing out whether
these drugs might be able to reduce substance abuse and addiction.
Talk to us about this when could we expect some
results from that?

Speaker 6 (27:08):
Well, that's great, I've done something to share and this
is a good story most of it. Don't realize this.
Did you know that g l P one was developed
by the BA the folks that GLP one, the GLP
one series of drugs was developed by the up in
the box in the VA and uh, we should getting
patented it got it got out into the town to
the community. But it's it's a basically it controls impulses.

(27:32):
So I mean, yes, a lot of people use it
for food or you know, the weight loss and diabetes
I think, but we're experimenting to see, hey for and
I'm going back to our suicide issue, for depression and
other things. Can we help people who are on who
are alcoholics suppress that urge, suppress that need along with
counseling to get them off of being addicted to alcohol.
And there's a lot of areas that this may be

(27:53):
the first place that we look. But you know, we're
looking at doing six hundred folks all over the country
to say, hey, is this a possibility? If it worked? Then,
as I was asked yesterday, maybe this could work with smoking.
Maybe this could have worked with other things because of
the way the drug works, it suppresses in you know,
those kind of urges. So look, I'm very proud of
what we do at the VA, and I think this
is just another step out to say, hey, how can

(28:14):
we help veterans because that's our only job.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Final topic I wanted to hit and we've got about
thirty seconds here, Doug, is this Freedom Haulers Initiative. You're
trying to get veterans matched up with trucking companies. Tell
us about that.

Speaker 6 (28:27):
Oh, this is a great president. And along with me
and Sean Duffy, we said, hey, look, we want to
get veterans on job. We want to get illegals out
of the driver's seat killing people across country because they
can't read signs. What better way than to take, you know,
our veterans who are in military driving big trucks, and
now put them on the big rigs across country. Ten
percent of all truck drivers right now already veterans. We're
just going to add to that. I think it's a

(28:48):
great win for not only veterans, it's a great win
for safety, it's a great win for America. I mean
freedom haulers. I mean, you can't think of a better
name than that.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Well, you're doing a great job at the Veterans Affairs Administration, Doug,
and I also want to congratulate you. I know you
and your wife recently welcome your first grandchild, Theodor, So
congrats on that addition to your family. Congratulations on doing
a good job for our veterans. We'll keep checking in
with you as we move along here. Really doing a
terrific job for a population that in that bureaucracy needs

(29:18):
to work for our veterans. These people deserve the best
possible services in Doug Collins is giving it to them.
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Speaker 7 (30:16):
More after this, David the voice of reason, common sense
for the American people.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
This is the Scott Jennings Show. Major news out of Washington,
DC this morning. A committee in the United States Senate
has voted eight to seven to hold Anthony Fauci in contempt.
You probably know that Fauci appeared before this committee last
week and took the fifth pled the fifth over one
hundred times, refusing to answer questions about COVID, and so

(30:46):
that led to today's committee vote. The legal issues here
are interesting, and I've invited on Jed Rubinfel, professor of
constitutional law at Yale Law School, to discuss this with us.
Professor Rubinfel for being with us. One of the questions
that everybody has is that if Anthony Fauci already had

(31:06):
a blanket pardon for whatever he might have done during
COVID from Joe Biden, was it proper for him to
take the fifth Amendment in front of this committee? That
seems to be at the heart of today's contempt vote.
Tell us about it.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
Oh, yeah, that is at the heart.

Speaker 10 (31:20):
Well, it's really it's kind of an interesting issue, but
there's some stuff people are just totally missing there, just
not seeing it.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
So here's how it works.

Speaker 10 (31:30):
The pardon covers Fauci for everything he did from twenty
fourteen to two thousand and twenty five, when January twenty
twenty five, when the pardon was issued. It does not
cover him for anything he might do after January.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
Twenty twenty five.

Speaker 10 (31:43):
So if Fauci had committed perjury at last week's hearing,
he could be prosecuted for that. And that's what everybody
is saying. That's what Fauci's defenders are saying. He could
have been prosecuted for perjury despite the pardon, So he
had a right to plead the fifth because the defenders
say it was a perjury trap. Whole thing was a
perjury trap. Now maybe it was a perjury trap. But

(32:05):
here's the thing. What his lawyers don't seem to know
what everybody talking about. This doesn't seem to know, the
law is crystal clear on this point. A person cannot
plead the fifth because he fears he'll be prosecuted for
perjury for what he's about to say. I just that
was a quote from a legal case, and it could
not be clear. You are not allowed to plead the

(32:25):
fifth to avoid a perjury trap. Even if it is
a perjury shop. You can't plead the fifth for that reason.
So everybody's gotten this wrong so far, and that's a
big deal.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
So that was Fauci's whole strategy, though, right, was to
show up and say, well, these committee, you know Rand Paul,
he doesn't like me, he's out to get me, and
they're gonna say I committed perjury no matter what. But
you're saying you just simply can't do that. So is
is that what makes the contempt today pretty rock solid?
And I want to talk about the contempt vote today.

(32:57):
Typically this thing would go to the full Senate. Does
it have to or can it be directly transmitted to
the Department of Justice?

Speaker 5 (33:05):
Okay, it's another great question. So here's how it works.

Speaker 10 (33:08):
Contempt of Congress is a criminal offense, okay, and you
can go to jail from up to twelve months for that.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Just ask Steve Bannon. He served four months for this.

Speaker 10 (33:16):
But the fact that the committee holds him in contempt,
that doesn't mean he's guilty. Congress has to refer charges
to the Department of Justice. DOJ has to prosecute him,
and a jury eventually decides that he'd commit contempt or not.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
Now here's the thing.

Speaker 10 (33:31):
Normally standard, you know, congressional protocol is the full Senate
would take a vote on this. By the way, that
would probably take sixty votes because the filibuster. Probably sixty
senators aren't going to vote vote a contempt against Fauci.
But the statute that governs this here, here's the amazing part.
The statute says, if the Senate is not in session,

(33:55):
the President of the Senate, the President of the Senate
can himself refer charge just to the Department of Justice.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
Well, who's the president of the Senate. That's the Vice
President of the United States. And guess what.

Speaker 10 (34:07):
The Senate is about to go out of session, scheduled
to go out of session.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Tomorrow the seventh. They won't be in session.

Speaker 10 (34:13):
Under the statute, it looks like Vice President jd Vance
or maybe Chuck Gratschley, President pro Tempore can himself refer
the charges to the DOJ next week.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
And that is as simple as them just sending a
letter saying this happened in committee under my authority as
the President of the Senate. Here you go.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
Yeah, that's exactly more or less how it works.

Speaker 10 (34:35):
The Senator Paul's committee has to issue a report. They
got to issue a report that says, look, here's what happened.
Our witness, doctor Fauci, pleaded the fifth you know, one
hundred times. He wouldn't answer any questions. That's contempt. It
happened on such and such a day. And they, you know,
maybe include the transcript that's the report. Then the President

(34:55):
of the Senate looks at that report and he has
to make a decision, does that, you know, in his opinion,
show contempt or not. He gets to actually make a
decision about that. And if he, in his judgment, thinks
that's worthy of a referral of charges to the DOJ,
he can send it straight to the DOJ.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
All right, we've got about thirty seconds. I'm going to
ask you a very short question. Do you think they
will actually do it? Will vance or grassly send this
over to the DOJ Yes or no.

Speaker 10 (35:24):
Scott, I wish I had an answer to that question.
I'm so sorry. I don't know what you know. Washington politics.
You know what a million times better than I do.
I can't call it.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well. You've laid out a compelling case about what they
should do. I think Fauci made a terrible mistake for
his own reputation. Sounds like he made a terrible mistake
by the law as well. Jed Rubinfeld, Professor of law
at Yale, thanks for laying this out for us today.
We take a break. More after this on the Scott
Jenny Shows. David quick check of the headlines here on Thursday,
August the sixth. The White House leaning into its crackdown

(35:58):
on fraud and they want the American people to see it.
They've launched a new website today detailing what they've found
and what they've done about it. You can check it
out white house dot gov slash fraud. A lot of
information in there. One of the worst Democrats running for
office this year, James Tallerico, has caught in another massive lie.

(36:19):
Tallerrico's campaign now admitting to The New York Times that
he started dating his current girlfriend, Brianna Minard, when she
was still on his payroll as his chief of staff.
She was his staffer when they started dating, something he
has denied for months. Massive conflict of interest in something

(36:39):
Democrats in Congress have actually had to deal with recently
with other members. Right now in Washington, DC, and important
conferences going on. The National Conservative Student Conference. It is
the largest annual conference of the Young America Foundation. This
is the forty eighth year. Tonight is the main event.
There's a rally at Mount headlined by our friend Ben Shapiro,

(37:03):
by former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Andrew claven is
there and more joining me to discuss all of this.
The head of YAF and the former governor of Wisconsin,
Scott Walker, is here. Governor Walker, thanks for joining us
and thanks for your stewardship of the YAF. It's an
important organization.

Speaker 11 (37:22):
Oh my pleasure. Thanks for joining us on Saturday. The
students always love hearing from you.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I love coming to the YAF events. Always meet a
lot of great kids there. You've got a great conference
going on. Talk to us about tonight's event out at
Mount Vernon. What an inspired idea to do a big
event at George Washington's home during America two fifty right.

Speaker 11 (37:43):
This is part of our Freedom at two fifties series.
We started out at the Country Music Hall of Fame,
filled it up earlier. This year. We've doubled the size
of all of our major conferences, from Ronald Reagan's ranch
out in California to the Boy at Home just last
month at Dixon, Illinois in the heartland of America, to
this event. We thought, what better way than doing it
at George Washington's home to think of our founders and

(38:05):
think about it. I will point this out to the
kids tonight. You know, on July fourth, seventeen seventy six,
James Monroe was eighteen, Alexander Hamilton was twenty one, James Madison,
the primary author of the US Constitution, was twenty five.
He'd merely be able to rent a car these days.
And even Thomas Jefferson was a mere thirty three years old.
So I say that not only for the kids, but

(38:26):
everybody listening. He's saying, you're never too young to fight
for freedom. And I know our military families know that
as well as anyone. So we wanted to be at
Washington's home to talk about the struggle that our founders
went through to found this great republic and to reinforce
to young people here and across the country why it's
so important that we continue to fight for and defend
those freedoms.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Today, you're in touch with all these conservative students from
around the country, and I am sure you're hearing them
and their thoughts on this unfolding conversation about socialism and
capitalism and you know the nature of American government right now,
and they're being bombarded on their campuses by people who

(39:07):
are trying to teach them to hate America and to
tell them that America and the founding is rotten at
the core. What are you hearing from these kids about
all of that? How are they processing this debate that's
going to come to a head this November. Well, there's been.

Speaker 11 (39:20):
A clear awakening with the students we work with others
like them, with other groups, colleged Republicans, turning point, you
name it. So many of our students are involved in
all of those and more because they feel outnumbered and intimidated.
But I think in the last year, in particular, we've
seen this awakening to push back. We saw it in
the twenty twenty four election, where young men went from
four years earlier being plus fifteen for Biden to plus

(39:43):
fourteen for President Trump in the twenty four cycle.

Speaker 5 (39:46):
But that's still not enough.

Speaker 11 (39:47):
As you mentioned, Democratic Socialist winning in Michigan this week,
likely to win a primary in my home of Wisconsin
next week. We have to push back, and it's why
some of our most important speakers that these two bring
to campus, and again they'll be over a thousand people
there tonight. We bring on campus more speakers in another
group of America, not only for our chapters, but even

(40:09):
for college Republicans and others. One of the most popular
ones is a guy named Daniel di Martino who talks
about not just economics. He's got a PhDs. He's not
even thirty years old, he's already got a PhD. But
more importantly, he talks about his story coming from Venezuela,
where Democratic socialists freely elected, just like they're talking about here.

(40:29):
Democratic Socialists ruined that country, imprison their political opponents, shut
down parts of the media outlets, and worst of all,
has tried to centralize the government, taking over core industries,
just like these Democratic Socialists and America talking about it
ruined Venezuela. It will ruin this country if we don't
put a halt to it. And that's what these young

(40:50):
conservatives are talking about.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Governor Walker, you live through some of the most intense
political battles in modern American political history during your campaigns
for governor in Wisconsin. But I feel like the Democrats
that you faced back in those days, as nasty as
they were, pale in comparison to these socialists, these radicals,

(41:14):
these people with violent tendencies like al saied to these
lunatics like this Democrat that's about to win the nomination
in Wisconsin. What do you see out of today's Democratic Party?
Why have they folded to these anti American socialist radicals
who clearly have nothing but contempt for our country and
their heart.

Speaker 11 (41:33):
Well years ago we called it Walker derangement system. It's
gotten even worse with TDS Trump derangement system, and you've
seen in the past decade. You're absolutely right. The data
shows us that overwhelmingly primary voters for Democrats in key
states like Wisconsin and Michigan have moved radically.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
To the left.

Speaker 11 (41:52):
There are far, if any far but few so called
moderate to even centrist thinking Democrats in their party these days,
they are almost all extreme. They're angry and Francisco Home,
the woman you alluded to, who is very likely to
win going away the primary for the nomination for governor
Wisconsin on the Democrat side next Tuesday. This is a

(42:13):
woman whose social media feed is filled with abolish the police,
defund the police, talking about eighty six, seing Donald Trump,
talking about wanting to cancel Thanksgiving, hating Christmas heck in Wisconsin.
Maybe the worst thing she said is she thought Culver's
cheese curds were mediocre. I mean, this is someone who's
just violently out of touch with where the mainstream is at.

(42:37):
Yet in today's Democratic Party, this is what constitutes a
primary winner, and it shows you just how far left
they've gone. But we can't take anything for granted. Just
because she and others on the Democratic Socialist side appear
to be a lunatic, we can assume, particularly with younger voters,
that just saying that's going to be enough. We got
to point back to why these ideas don't work.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Governor Scott Walker for Wisconsin is our guest. He's head
of the YAF. They have their big conference going on
in Washington, DC, and Governor thanks again for inviting me.
I'll be up there on Saturday night for a speech.
As you all close out, let me ask you about
the state of the conservative movement right now. You've been
involved for a very long time, successful governor, ran for president,

(43:19):
running this large conservative organization. You're in touch with the
youth of America. We've got different wings of the conservative
movement of the Republican Party that have largely been unified
under President Trump. He can't run again in twenty twenty eight.
It feels like Vice President Vance, if he wants to
be the nominee, is going to be the nominee. But
holding this coalition together in the face of this socialist uprising,

(43:44):
to me is critical. Can the Republican Party do it?
Or do you feel like there's a splintering going on
out there among the factions as we move towards the
end of the Trump era.

Speaker 11 (43:55):
I think we can. Obviously, I'm an optimist. I've always
been one. I think it was inspired by run Regan
as a kid, instill them today in love what President
Trump is doing on so many levels. But I'd say
the future of the party to me is look less
at Washington and more at the states. When you look
at the work of governors across the country, I think
of Ron DeSantis, I think of Ken Reynolds, I think

(44:16):
of all these great you look at Kelly Ayott in
New Hampshire. I mean, there's just so many great Republican
leaders in the state houses, governors that are getting the
job done. Remember in twenty twenty two, four years ago,
we thought there'd be a red wave, and it was
kind of a red fizzle. The exception to that was
every Republican governor standing for election, even in a tough

(44:37):
state like Georgia, one overwhelmingly strong re election battles. That's
because they were doers. They were conservatives who took the
issues on head on, and particularly when young people cost
of living. You know, the media loves to talk about
abortion and climate change. Young people today, like so many
other Americans, aren't concerned about those issues as much as

(44:59):
they are out cost of living. Governors are getting the
job done. The folks in Washington and seeking the run
for office should take a look at our success for
Republican governors to bring that coalition back in the tack.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
The voice you're hearing Governor Scott Walker from Wisconsin. He's
head of the Young America's Foundation. Big national conference going
on right now in Washington, DC. Huge event tonight at
Mount Vernon and Governor will look forward to seeing you Saturday.
Thanks for joining us on the show today.

Speaker 11 (45:25):
Thank you my pleasure to folks are interested WHYAF dot
org not just for these conferences, but if you're under attack,
we got you back.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
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Speaker 7 (46:27):
Straight talking, without the bluster, when you've positively need the truth.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
This is where you come out.

Speaker 12 (46:33):
Discutch any show headline out of Missouri this week, Chris
Stigall wins Republican primary for Missouri's sixth congressional district.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
It was a five way primary, Stigall getting forty four
percent of the vote, beating his nearest rival by twelve
percentage points. You know this name, Salem family. Chris Stagall
was our morning host here for quite a while and
he decided to give up radio and get into public service,
and that decision is paying off for him and paying

(47:07):
off for the people of Missouri. Chris de gaul joins
US Live. Chris, welcome into the Scott Jennings Show, and
congratulations great victory in your primary.

Speaker 13 (47:16):
Scott, It's an honor to be with you, and you
were one of the first people I was so honored,
really and flattered. You were one of the first people
to reach out to me to say congratulations and encourage
me in this race, and it was just a thrill
to have your support. So thank you.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Well, I knew you were going to be a great candidate,
and you work really hard and it was you know,
it's a primary, and there's a lot of people involved
and a lot of issues involved, and you kind of
had to gut it out, but you won by twelve
points in a five way primary. Tell us how you
did it? I mean, this year, first coming out of
radio going into politics, what did you learn? What worked
for you to get the word out and to collect

(47:54):
this kind of organization that you did.

Speaker 13 (47:57):
You know, what I think summarizes it best is a
bit that I just saw you post on X yesterday
and I shared, You've got to be blunt, You've got
to be bold. It's Reagan right. It's no pale pastels,
because you got to know what time it is in
this country. And right now, what we understand is there's
something radical this country has never faced before actually winning elections. Scott,

(48:20):
you know it better than anybody. You talk about it
here all the time. It's a time for very serious
people to take very seriously what the American left wants
to do to this country. And so it's not a
time to flirt with the left. It's a time to
defeat the left. And I think that's what people are
hungry for people telling that truth.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Yeah, I really agree with you. I just think you
can't really beat around the bush right now. I mean, look, voters,
they're looking for people who will draw bright lines. They're
looking for people who can deliver them clear, concise, factual,
reality based messages. And I think that's what you did
in your campaign. You've gone through this primary, you're going

(49:01):
to be congressman. Now as we get past the November election,
what's on your mind when you think about getting to
Washington in January. What are the kinds of things you
want to work on.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
First?

Speaker 13 (49:13):
You know, you probably have traveled the country enough to know.
I don't know if you've been to North Missouri. By
the way, I've got to invite you here because I've
got a lot of folks that would love to meet you.
So maybe we'll have you here as we ground out
this campaign through November. But North Missourians are some of
the best people. They're industrious, they're humble, they're smart. Many
of them are farmers. The number one business in North

(49:35):
Missouri's agriculture. Of course, my first item of business is
to get on the Agriculture Committee in the House Representatives
because Our farmers need some certainty right now. Input costs
through the roof, as you know, with fertilizer and the like.
So we've got some work to do for our farmers
to give them the certainty that they need. Rural hospitals, Scott,
are another big thing. These small communities throughout rural America

(49:57):
and certainly North Missouri, seeing a lot of uncertainty right now.
They love where they live, but they want to make
sure that they've got the infrastructure that they need, chiefly
medical needs. Rural hospitals are being supported. We've seen the fraud,
the theft, the waste, the abuse in Medicare and Medicaid.
I've pledged that I want to join Vice President Vance

(50:18):
and congressional leadership on the House side in rooting out,
finding and most of all, holding people accountable for the
billions of theft of our Medicare and Medicaid dollars.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Scott, let me ask you a final question. Obviously, you
were engaged in your own primary, but I know you've
been keeping an eye on the Democratic primaries that have
been going on around the country and the lurch to
the radical socialist left of the Democratic Party. When you
get to Washington, I expect you're going to be facing
off against some of these other new Democrats who come

(50:50):
to town who, frankly, Chris I think want to tear
the country out, root and branch and do something else.
How do you plan to fight them? And how important
is it for Republicans to wake up to this existential
battle that's coming.

Speaker 13 (51:03):
It's everything. The Republican Party cannot rest on simply saying
they're crazy. The Republican Party must define who they are
and explain their designs and their desires. Because look, we
are an economy right now where people are battling, they're struggling,
they're trying to get their bills paid. We had an
inflation and just a radical agenda in terms of spending
that caused the economy to go bonkers. I mean, it's

(51:25):
been short circuited. And what often happens is the American
left sabotage is things in order to come in and
pretend like they're the answer to fixing them. We have
to explain, particularly to America's young people, that that is
a clap trap that has never worked anywhere in the world.
Socialism is the biggest lie. Communism that command and control,
top down authoritarian thing leads to nothing but abuse and

(51:50):
misery for everyone. And young people are being wooed in
certain parts of this country to believe that's the fix.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, they're being lied to, they're being taught to hate America,
and we have to have leaders who can clearly communicate. Chris,
I predict you're going to be one of the best
communicators for the conference when you get to Washington. Congrats
on your big win. We take a break. We talked Michigan.
After this, stay with us. If the leftists haven't had
enough yet, there's more. This is the Scott Jenny Show,

(52:19):
common since for the American people. Thursday, August six, Scott
Jennings back in the saddle here after a few days
off traveling out west Whitewater, rafting down the Snake River
in Wyoming, riding horses in the Bridger Teton National Forest,

(52:40):
I come back to you refreshed and ready for the
fight ahead. And the fight is going to be located
largely in the state of Michigan. The Democrats and Republicans
held their primary on Tuesday. Boy did we learn some
things about Democrats in Michigan. This week They've nominated medical

(53:00):
socialists for the United States Senate named Abdul l Sayed.
The National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee is out with its
opening salvo in the race to define El sayed, let's
hear that cut number nine Duerman.

Speaker 14 (53:16):
Mohammed L Sayeed the most radical Senate candidate in America.
El Sayette pledged support for the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood,
a designated foreign terrorist group. He wants to hike taxes
on Michigan waitresses, delivery drivers, and seniors. On social security,
he joined a sex offender and a murderer to demand
the mass release of dangerous prisoners. And when his ally
claimed America deserved nine eleven.

Speaker 12 (53:37):
American deserved nine to eleven, Dude.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
El Sayed refused to disavow.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
I'm not here to disavow.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Abdul el sayed. Too radical, too dangerous. Wrong for Michigan
to discuss this race and everything else going on in Michigan.
There's a lot of races going on up. There's our
friend in Michigan, political expert Jason Rowe. Jason, thanks for
coming back on the Scott Jennings Show's start with the
Senate race. This was closer than people thought it was

(54:04):
going to be. The latest polling for the last couple
of weeks had Abdul l saied with a massive lead
over the congresswoman Haley Stevens. But it was a nail
bider on Tuesday night. Why was that?

Speaker 15 (54:18):
I think there was a few reasons, and one of
them and you know, this is somebody that's done a
lot of campaigns.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
That's how you close.

Speaker 15 (54:25):
And Abdul Lsi ed spent the last week of the
campaign parading the state as if he'd already won the campaign.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
He was, you know, at.

Speaker 15 (54:34):
Pool parties with Hassan Piker, he was doing social media
posts and he exuded kind of an arrogance that this
thing was already over. And frankly, Haley Stevens was still
grinding it out all the way to the end. So
I think that's a big part of it. The other
part of it is, you know, who tends to turn
out in primary elections. Now Democrats did turn out at

(54:57):
a pretty high clip, but you know, the black vote
in Detroit is very significant. It can be you know,
more than twenty percent of the primary vote in the
state of Michigan. And Elsayed did not do well in
the black community, and Hailey Stevens did. She did very well.
I think she beat him something like two to one
in the black vote, and I think she got something

(55:20):
like sixty percent city of Detroit, So that was a
big part of it. And then when you look at
the pockets around the state where he won, it was
in counties that had colleges or universities almost to the county,
So you had a lot of the young progressives and
they don't always, you know, vote at the same clip.
But you also have a lot of college educated white people.

(55:41):
In fact, if you look at any video clips of
El Sayed's rally, it's mostly older white people and college
students that are at these things.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah, the coalition here is interesting because Al Saied and
the rest of these socialist candidates, they present these campaigns
though they're being run on behalf of the working class,
but the working class of Michigan, at least the Democrat
working class, white and black, broke heavily for Haley Stevens.

(56:11):
The only people who were falling for Lsied were the
Muslim populations around Dearborn, these young college educated or college
campus located sort of downwardly mobile privileged white kids. And
then these boomers who were into socialism all of a sudden.
But the working class of Michigan, they're not into this.

(56:32):
So I'm wondering Jason, as a campaign strategist, can Mike
Rogers the Republican get some of these working class Democrats
who clearly know they're being sold to bill of goods
on socialism? Can they be drawn into the Republican tent
in November?

Speaker 15 (56:48):
I think there's a huge opportunity, and particularly in the
black community. And let's not forget we also have as
our nominee for governor at Michigan John James, a black
congressman right who's well known the state, So that creates
an opportunity. The one demographic group that has moved more
towards President Trump since the twenty twenty four election is

(57:09):
the black community, and it's Black men by something more
than twenty percent. I talked to two prominent Democrats, one
an elected Democrat and one a very high ranking party official,
both black, and I was asking them about how El
Sayed's dynamics in the black community, particularly in the city

(57:31):
of Detroit, where both of these women live, and they
both told me very similar representations of how the black
community feels towards Elsaia. First of all, you have a
lot of friction in Detroit between the Arab community and
the Black community. As the Arab community gets larger in
Detroit and owns a lot of the businesses, particularly gas

(57:54):
stations and things like that, there's some friction where the
Black community feels like their neighborhoods are being taken over.
And you know, whether that's legit or not, I don't know.
I don't live there, but you know, this is what's
represented to me. The other thing is a lot of
hostility on the uncommitted movement here in Michigan. We had
a pretty prominent uncommitted movement to not vote for Kamala

(58:14):
Harris and outside that was one of the leaders. And
you know, the one party official I talked to yesterday said,
I know Democrats who will never vote for Elsiah because
they believe he cost Kamala Harris the state of Michigan
in the election. Now that margin was much bigger than that,
but there's a lot of hostility towards him. Mike Rodgers

(58:37):
went to a Democratic councilwoman from Detroit's Big Seniors Breakfast
the other day. He got great reception there, So I
think there's huge opportunities in the city of Detroit, where,
to be honest, you know, we get maybe ten percent
of the vote out of the city of Detroit, almost nothing,
so Republicans don't campaign there. If we can get to
twenty percent in Detroit, there's hardly any math that Democrats

(58:59):
can win statewide, and so I think LSIED opens the door.

Speaker 13 (59:03):
For us there.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Let's talk about some other races in Michigan, because I
think what happens with l Sied is going to trickle
down to the other races. You do have a couple
of house races that are very important, including what I
think at the beginning of the cycle was fairly being
portrayed is perhaps the most targeted Republican in the country,
Congressman Tom Barrett. But he wound up with a socialist

(59:26):
Democrat out of that primary named William Lawrence. That's the
seventh district in Michigan. How does the Barrett campaign feel
now having gotten you know, a fairly radical sort of
weirdo as an opponent, as opposed to somebody who might
have been a little bit more middle of the road
in kind of a purple district.

Speaker 15 (59:44):
Well, William Lawrence born and raised in the district. The
other two candidates, one backed by Senator Elissa Slot and
the other by the Democratic establishment in the state or carpetbaggers,
one had neither had ever lived in the district.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
One of the.

Speaker 15 (59:59):
Bridget br who was Biden's ambassador to Ukraine, moved into
Lansing and six months later announced for Congress, not having
lived in the state of Michigan more than three decades.
The other candidate, Matt Masdam, who carried the nuclear football
for Obama, lives in ann Arbor, not even in the district,
and so they had no relationship. But Lawrence, not just

(01:00:22):
being a local, is a professional progressive organizer. He has
worked in progressive politics. He's founded a couple of the
advocacy groups. He's a very talented grassroots organizer, and he
ran circles around them. And he got outspent heavily. The
Congressional Black Caucus out of Washington spent a million dollars
trying to take him down, and he's still won by

(01:00:44):
I think fifteen points over his next closest competitor. But
if you think Elsayed has an opposition research file worth
flipping through, you've seen nothing yet. William Lawrence is a
radical socialist. He embarrassed himself the other night in an
interview with Caitlyn Collins on CNN. I'm sorry, Manu Raju,

(01:01:06):
in which he said he was no longer a socialist.
And Manu Raju asked him when he left the DSA,
and he said, well, I let my membership last laps
within the last month.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
I saw that he led his membership la CREDI I
doubt he let his views laps though, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 15 (01:01:26):
Yeah, so and and he and Alsaia had cross endorsed
each other during the primary. Bernie Sanders came in and
campaigned Forum, AOC came in and campaigned Forum. So this
is one of the true socialists running in a very
purple seat, which which Congressman Barrett won by three point
six points last time around. And he's sitting on He's
already raised close to seven million dollars. And you know,

(01:01:48):
we're early ninety days away. So I'd say the Barrett
campaign feels very bullish about their prospects.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Governor's race. You mentioned it. John James is the Republican nominee.
Joscelyn Benson is the day Democrat. Now, this one used
to have a third candidate a third lane as an independent,
but that person dropped out, so it's head to head.
How do you feel about Republicans' chances of the governor's race.

Speaker 15 (01:02:10):
Well, I tell you, no matter how complicated the political
environment is nationally, when you look at Michigan and look
at who the Democrats have nominated for the statewide offices,
and we've got an open Senate seat and an open
governor's seat. That rarely happens in any state. I can't
remember the last time it happened to Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
But you also have.

Speaker 15 (01:02:26):
Attorney General and Secretary of State on the ballot. All
of these are open seats. They have nominated far left
progressive activists in all of these races, and each of them,
unto themselves, is incredibly beatable. We have nominated incredibly qualified, likable, competent,

(01:02:47):
normal people, and I think the contrast to Michigan between
the weirdos that the Democrats have chosen and the very normal, competent,
qualified people that we've chosen couldn't be starker. And I think,
no matter what's happening on the national level, that ticket
is just too far out of the mainstream for Michigan values.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
We are not Illinois, we are not.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
New York, we are not California, Oregon.

Speaker 15 (01:03:12):
And I just don't see a state that is a
working class state, you know, relying on the automobile industry
and manufacturing to embrace the socialism that these four will
be perpetuating.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Jason, We've got about a minute Togo. One of the
craziest things I've read in the last several months is
that the Attorney General of Michigan, Dana Nessel, who is
a Democrat, is saying that she cannot go to the
Democrat nominating convention in August because she won't be safe.

(01:03:47):
She's Jewish. She has made it clear if she goes there,
she will be personally in danger from the anti Semites
and the anti Israel crowd that flocks around a dual
l sayed. I honestly, if shoes were on other feet,
this would be twenty four hour cable news coverage of
it all day every day. I don't think this is

(01:04:08):
getting the attention it deserves. This top law enforcement officer
of Michigan can't go to a party meeting because she
won't be safe from the violent anti Semites who have
taken over the party. What do you make of that?
Give you the last word? Well, you know, for your listeners.

Speaker 15 (01:04:26):
A couple months ago, the Democrats had a convention nearly
seven thousand people and it was hijacked by Elsaied and
his supporters, and so you had a lot of people
there over the Palestinian issue. One Democratic operative called me
on their way home from that Sunday convention and said,
I just attended my last Nazi convention. They quit the party.
They could not believe what they had witnessed. So, yeah,

(01:04:49):
Dana Nessel, a Jewish attorney general, very liberal, openly gay,
you know, kind of the darling of the left in
the state up until this last few months when the
Socialists hijacked the party. For her to say that's extraordinary.
But it's not just her. The Oakland County Prosecutor Karen MacDonald,
who ran for attorney general in the nomination at that
convention a couple months ago, has just this week also

(01:05:12):
said there is an anti Semite problem in the Democratic
Party and there's times it's time that somebody does something
about it. So it is really a cauldron of hatred,
and I think there's about one hundred thousand Jewish votes
in the state of Michigan, and I will be very
surprised if the Democrats pick up very many of those.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Yeah, it's crazy what's going on. It's not just debates
over policy around Israel. You've got people out there who
are so violent and so threatening. The Attorney General can't
even go to a party convention. It's crazy. I know
we're going to be talking Michigan every week. Jason will
draw up on your expertise for the next few months
if you'll allow it. Thanks for coming on. We got

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Our friends at AFP, they've got a new memo out
today about the outlook for National Democrats. Caitlin, We've been
talking all day long about what's going on in Michigan
and in other races where the Democrats are being overrun

(01:07:46):
by these radical socialists. What does it say this Abdul
Lsied nomination about the future of the Democratic Party to you?

Speaker 16 (01:07:55):
Well, going into this primary, you know, we were all
waiting to see if voters chose them establishment candidate or
the DSA socialist candidate, as it would provide insight into
where the future of the party is going. As we
all know now they chose the socialist candidate, and moving forward,
our grassroots are incredibly fired up. They are ready to
hold not just him in Michigan accountable, but other candidates

(01:08:17):
who are just going lefter and lefter and aligning with
these socialist agendas.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
All right, I want to talk about what AFP is
doing in this battle. I think it's existential. The socialists
are here, the barbarians are inside the gate. We've got
a big contrast coming in November. What's AFP doing to
help voters understand the stakes of the election and the difference, right,
the big difference going on between what you get out

(01:08:44):
of Democrats if they ran the place or Republicans.

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
Well, I couldn't agree with you more.

Speaker 16 (01:08:49):
This goes against everything AFP stands for, and we are
unleashing our grassroots across the country to take this on firsthand.
We are putting them with all kinds of resource says,
whether it's to go to town halls when they're talking
with their families and friends, but mostly when they're going
and knocking on doors.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
We have been on.

Speaker 16 (01:09:07):
Doors for months and have already knocked over two million
doors already all over the country, including in Michigan. And
what we're doing is we are equipping our leaders to
talk to them and contrast the policies. So when these
candidates talk about these horrible policies like rank controls, government
run grocery stores, we talk to them about other policies,
whether it's housing reform, permitting reform, healthcare reforms, you name it,

(01:09:31):
and we let the voters understand the difference between these
policies and where they will lead if they go with
a socialist. And what we're seeing is when we walk
voters through what This looks like sixty percent of them
go alongside the Republican candidate.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
This shift in the Democratic Party is remarkable. Your memo
makes a good point, and that is it's not just
abdual Lsied, but from Papus in New Hampshire to Peltola
in Alaska, all these candidates, some of them are going
to say, well, that's not me, but they all really
need to be held to the standard, the shifting standard
of the Democratic Party, don't they.

Speaker 13 (01:10:08):
Yeah, let's call this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
What this says. This is an attemptive coup.

Speaker 16 (01:10:11):
And these candidates, you know, we need to keep in mind,
these socialist candidates do not need to win over fifty
one percent of the American population. They need to win primaries,
and they are and that is what's going to help
them have control over this Democratic establishment. And that should
be really concerning. I mean, if I'm a Democratic voter alone,
I'm asking what the heck is going on. But if
I'm a Republican voter, I want to know, and I

(01:10:34):
want to demand answers across the board, and the answers
they'll hear from Republicans are exactly what they want to hear.
They're policies that are freedom and opportunity, competition and innovation based.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Well, I think a lot of the working class democrats,
well they used to be democrats, but they're asking some
hard questions right now. They didn't like what abdul l
said was selling in Michigan. I think there's more than
a fighting chance for Republicans to pick up some of
these working class democrats. They've been moving Republicans direction anyway,
and now these socialists may make the choice very, very easy.
So to find out more about what AFP is doing

(01:11:09):
in the fall here, visit Americans for Prosperity dot org. Caitlin.
Always good to see you, always good to hear your voice.
Thanks for the partnership here with AFP. You do great
work on behalf of the American people. We are done
for the day. We'll be back tomorrow with more breaking
news and political talk and what you name it, we'll
talk about it. It's Scott Jennings. Glad to be back

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here on Salem. Thanks for listening.