#242 The Period Education We Clearly Needed - With Jackie From The Nourished Cycle - Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Mat quick question, hit me, do you know what the
follicular stage is?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Okay, yeah, I'm actually I'm really glad you've brought this up,
because I actually I do know what the fillicular stage is.
It's one of my favorite stages.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Calar is it flick?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Look, I'm going to be honest here. I think being
honest is always the best policy for it. Ash, I
don't know anything about periods. No.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
The only thing I do know is that April keeps
it in the calendar. But she doesn't write period, she
just uses the letter P And I know.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
So talking in code, I was I was doing a
little bit of research for this episode, and it was
lutell lutill, and I was like, what is this? There
is so much and look, you may look at me
and go, how the fuck do you not know this?

(01:06):
And you're right, I should know this, but it's just
one of those things that was never introduced to me.
And finally I've gotten up off my ass. Well, actually,
Vicker's booked this in she did so.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Shout out to Vic and she wanted to teach us
about the four big peas and I'm not talking about
Poob and Penis.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Which I also love I do love talking about that,
but I'm talking about periods, a man pregnancy, Oh yeah,
post natal saga brother and Perry Perry Chicken, Perry menaphorse.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
My bad, thank you Ash.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
And to teach us all about these peas is Jackie
from the Nourish Cycle. She has bravely walked into the
brand new studio. Did I mention me in the brand
new studio?

Speaker 5 (01:48):
She's that first guest in here.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
She hit she didn't run into a shelf, But I'm
not taking responsibility for that.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, I was like, we need to do any future guest
have like a waiver, like if you have an injury
whilst being in the sh it's not a responsibility. But yeah,
she is going to teach us all, and hopefully teach you.
My dream is that a lot of Dad's husbands will
listen to this episode and then be as knowledgeable as
what we are right now.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Especially if you are growing young girls, young women, if
you will, Oh no.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
Is that what happens. I'll find out after this.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
I dare say, raising, let's go growing. I know, I'm like, ma,
let's talk about periods now, let's do it. Just shut
up anyway, But we actually are talking about periods right
now with Jackie. So here is the episode.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
Enjoy.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Welcome back to two doting dads and one doting mum.

Speaker 6 (02:37):
I'm Maddie Jay and I'm Ash and I'm Jackie.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
And this is a podcast all about parenting. It is
the good, it.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Is the bad and the relatable.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
And we don't give advice, Jackie, but you must. We insist,
we insist.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
We're not allowed to, but you are.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I didn't ever think that we would be doing a
podcast episode on this topic.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
I always knew we'd get here eventually.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Day Yeah, Ashes, Ash has been pushing this narrative.

Speaker 6 (03:03):
For progressive dads right absolutely.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well said yes, I did a podcast episode with Life
on Cut and I was open about the fact that
I didn't know about, you know, tampons and how they worked,
pads I think, and I was, you know, I was
verbally abused.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
You did get I did.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
I don't check comments very often, but I was like, oh,
it's gonna be juicy, and people were like.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Then I they were like, what a fucking idiot. I
was like, okay, it was a bit mean, a little
bit mean, and so I've been I've been a bit.
I was like, I'm scared of the topic.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
We're trying to get better at it so that it
doesn't happen again.

Speaker 6 (03:42):
Yeah, so you've got me.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
As my wife said, you've got your work cut out
for you today.

Speaker 6 (03:45):
Yeah, I did laugh.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I was like, I was like, good laugh.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
We were running out the door later.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
But let's find out a little bit about you first.

Speaker 7 (03:55):
Okay, so do you recall the most amount of trouble
that you got in as a child?

Speaker 6 (04:00):
Look, I wasn't that bad as a kid, but will
be the judge of that. It wasn't close. Actually that's
it was more aggression than anything. I vividly remember. It
was back in the ms N days. You know, you'd
race home after school and real chatting to whoever the
fun were chatting to. And then the phone rang and

(04:21):
I picked it up because you know, back in the
day of home phone.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Someone didn't have dial up.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
Yeah for yeah, I thought it was also what fo.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah Thattler's over in Brisbane. We had was a rusty
wheel and a stick, really good.

Speaker 6 (04:43):
But no, I remember picking up the phone. It was
cool for my sister, my older sister got two older sisters,
and I was like fuck ran sprinted and I previously
had a fight with my sister just before this opened
the door, hiffed the phone very intentionally at my sister
ran out because I have to go back to my amicent.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
You were just annoyed that.

Speaker 6 (05:02):
I was just annoyed at her. I was annoyed at
like we had a fight, annoyed at her, grabbed the
phone and said he ran to the door, pifted the phone,
got a phone call, run off back to my MSN.
I would have been thirteen, And then next minute Mum
and my sister crying are at the door and I'm like,
what is it? Have to log off? Turn around? Big blb,

(05:23):
turn around, big swallowly piffed the phone at her face.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Split a face open, no.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
Piff pift it real hard.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
What were the repercussions of the piffing?

Speaker 6 (05:39):
I was off the MSN. It was go to your room.
It was I also bid my sister, but I was
a lot younger. Yes, that's the thing. It's more aggressive.
I'm a bit worried, but no, my I reckon. I
would have been like maybe five or six. My other sister,
middle sister, was standing in my doorway letting me in

(06:00):
my room, and so bitter arm and really successful.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Did it draw blood? I'm very unbranded.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
You remember, we're all.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
About the bleeding right as aggressive tendencies.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
I once I was like nine, I piffed my sister
in the face with my fist.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Tell you what I have?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
You're buying your sister and the opening up and you're.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Like, I tell you what a phone does that.

Speaker 7 (06:33):
I've piffed a phone at someone and put their eyebrow open,
but he deserved a good and you.

Speaker 6 (06:37):
Can judge you on me just then.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, when you're in the room, even if you're come
in with good intentions, everyone gets a bit of a
bit of bullying. Yeah, that's right, and I feel like
the ice has been broken much so. Yeah, I'll be
honest here. I'm going to be completely transparent and people
may judge me for this and that's fine, but I

(07:00):
want to say I literally know next to nothing about
periods other than there is blood and it happens once
a month.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, and it's it's.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
The egg getting out of there.

Speaker 6 (07:12):
Okay, what's what's that called again? Do we know the
embryo where the egg comes out the vagina? No, guys,
come on ovulation?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Oh technical technical? Okay, so I guess firstly, and I
feel like it's happening more and more when ballpark in
what age range does a period begin?

Speaker 6 (07:38):
Yeah, so look, it can begin early around seven eight nine,
we would consider relatively early. Yeah, no, it sounds young. Wow,
it can happen probably probably on the rear. And the
average age in austrive is about twelve and a half.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
All so soon.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, it just turns s.

Speaker 6 (07:54):
I was a ten year old. Really, I was first
day of grade five. Yep, that's first day of first day.

Speaker 7 (08:00):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
Took a sicky because I was at home and I
was like, oh and in pain. Yeah wow yeah, so
quite young right Again, varies for everybody, and there's a
few different things that can influence lifestyle, et cetera. But
that average agent is about twelve and a half.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
And so when it happened for you, had you been
given information by your parents?

Speaker 6 (08:17):
We know, so taboo was it dad? No idea? Like,
didn't even talk to dad about it, told mom, Mum
goes go to your sister.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (08:28):
So for me and Matt's got three girls, I have
one and she's nearly five. Ye when do you think
is appropriate for us to both start to have that
conversation as parents.

Speaker 6 (08:38):
Look, I don't think it needs to like with kids
so young. I think it needs to be like a
formal conversation right now or even ever potentially, but more
so normalizing in the house.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
You know, Well, Laura's got like tampons are in the
bathroom and they're like on display, and so Marley's been
inquisitive and asked about it, and so it's been a
very casual like, oh, this is what this does.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
I think that's the perfect place to start and start
with those conversations earlier. You know, I'm a mum, so
my kids always at my side, you know, I don't
know why they never followed down, but they're fow mom
into the bathroom and my daughter would go, what's that
fulling out of tampon. I'm like, Oh, it's a tampon.
This is my period. Like this helps with you know,

(09:20):
helping stop the blood come out. And she goes and
I great, that's how you guys were made.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
And she goes, oh and then just like walks off.
But to know, like just making it such a non thing,
I think that's a really good place to start, is
being open about it. It's not a taboo thing if
your wives have their period, we just go, yeah, mom's
got to go change your tampon, or here, I've bought
you some tampons. Just dropping little nuggets like that along
the way. Then when it does come to the time,

(09:49):
let's say late primary school, where somewhat prepared and understand
that what goes on?

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Do you remember could you tell that something was about
to happen when it happened for you the first time?

Speaker 6 (09:59):
Yeah. Generally, most women will experience, or young girls will
experience some kind of like spotting, which is a little bleed.
They might get a little bit of bleed on their
underwear in the days leading in the months leading up
to the months later. Yeah, so before their true first period,
most women will start to girls, I should say, we'll
start to get a little bit of spotting here or there.
So even like you know, doing washing, you guys might

(10:19):
notice it, especially if they don't want to talk about
it or a bit shy, a bit nervous, you might
notice that first.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
And so I'm sorry to like, yeah, no, guys, really,
at that point, do I start like putting tampons in
Maley's bag or yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:32):
Absolutely? I think being prepared girls, I think get to
that age and they start to know when they're aware
of it, right, and there's talk in school, there is
programs at school. Most of them don't tend to start
till late primary school, so it's a bit harder for
the girls who do get it younger. So I think,
you know, potentially even including it in the household earlier
would be a great idea, just via you know, those
little nuggets and especially with the wives getting them to

(10:54):
you know, come here a look at this if you want,
like just be super open about it. So I think
it's a good thing to be prepared. Girls generally are
aware that something is probably coming. What they're more scared
of is not being prepared for it or leaking through
their clothes.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
I imagine the anxiety around that would be really hard.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So this is where you know,
and there's a vast array of period products we could use.
I would suggest potentially pads or even period underwear places
to start with girls young because the tampon can be
a little bit invasive, which we can get into, but
they're probably generally the more safer, comfortable options to start with.

Speaker 7 (11:27):
And excuse my ignorance, a lot of my ignorance in
this episode because obviously.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
We're learning here too. Matt and I had a bit of.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
A discussion a little while ago about the cycle and
how long the cycle is. Yes, yeah, everyone's going to
be different, right, Can you give us an idea of
what that looks like?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Right?

Speaker 6 (11:43):
So, period is the beginning of your cycle?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
All right?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Okay, okay?

Speaker 5 (11:47):
Should I write this down?

Speaker 6 (11:50):
We'll try to stay as basic as podcast. All right,
So you start first day of your cycle is first
day of bleeding. Then you have your period for generally
about four to seven days is what we would consider
a healthy period.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
And does the bleeding does it start heavy and then
taper off or is it kind of.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
Most girls will get a bit of like a light
bleed which then gets into a heavy bleed. Right, So
they might get a bit of spotting, which is just
like you know, a little bit of dark brown type
blood on toilet paper. They know their periods coming, and
then their first day they get real bleed is when
what we consider day one like.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
A heavy flow.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, and sometimes like Laurel will say, oh, this is
such a heavy period, Like why sometimes they're really heavy
and sometimes they're light, or why I understand why it's
not the kind of same each time.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
Yeah, really varies, so especially as we head towards like perimenopauseias,
things can change too, Like honestly, how long is a
piece of string that can be you know, like travel
can delay things go in an aeroplane. Things happen to
the body that can delay it. Being sick can delay
it that. You know, you can have more inflammatory markers
in your body, which causes things to create a heavier bleed.
There's lots of different reasons right where I say. You know,

(12:57):
if Laura was like, God, my period is just so heavy,
and it's not it's not stopping being heavy, and that's
a change for me. Anything that's a change in a
woman that happens repetitively, I always say, go and get investigated.
But what causes it to be heavy?

Speaker 5 (13:09):
Very fact, Diet stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
Nutrition absolutely, hydration, hydration.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Have you ever been yourself been like, oh this is
kind of too heavy. I should speak to someone personally.

Speaker 6 (13:21):
No, it hasn't happened for me, but I see that
a lot in my clinic right Like girls are coming
to me because they've got suddenly heavy periods or they're
constantly anemic because their periods are so heavy.

Speaker 8 (13:31):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
Which is another thing women have to deal with is
anemia iron deficiency which can cause you know, all sorts
of feelings, emotions, energy level problems, et cetera. That another
thing that women have to deal with.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
So the first week we say is.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
It's your period period. So it comes next So day one,
first day of bleed, we divide our cycle into two sections.
We got forollicular phase, which is phase the first half,
and then we've got lou t or phase, which is
second half.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
I've heard of that one, Yes, good, he would have.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
Then we whilst we're bleeding, we're in our filicular phase.
We're already having follicools come to the surface of the ovary,
prepping to hopefully get pregnant or get fertilized. Right, So
inside each follyicool picture the ovary lack a big mine
and down the very very bodym is all the eggs
a woman will ever have. Then across months, it takes
months for a bunch of follicles to rise to the

(14:21):
surface of the ovary and get to the top of
the mind. So that will happen every single month on
both ovaries about ten to twenty follicles is generally somewhere
in there will come to.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
The surface, and that's the one that.

Speaker 6 (14:29):
They contain eggs. Each follicle contains an egg.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Right.

Speaker 6 (14:33):
Then, as we progress through our flicular phase, one of
those follicooles grows bigger and bigger and bigger, and that's
the one that we'll end up ovulating. Now, in this
filicular phase, this is where it's all about estrogen. We
get a big rise of estrogen, a big surge of estrogen,
which then triggers the brain to say, hey, brain, we're
ready to ovulate. And then the brain goes cool. Ovary
is ready, and it sends out a hormone codlutinizing hormone,

(14:55):
which if you ever trying to conceive and you're doing
an ovulation stick test, that's what that measures.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
Way I'm learning already.

Speaker 6 (15:03):
So lutinizing hormone triggers thanks to this big eastern surge,
and it's the most amount of ister and a woman
will have in her cycle.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
And is that good or bad?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
That's good?

Speaker 6 (15:11):
We want that, you got that right, So we have
that big surge and then that triggers ovulation, so that
follyicool that grew bigger and bigger and bigger. That is
the one that then ruptures and that releases an egg.
Then you've got about a twenty four hour period where
that egg can get fertilized. Now, whether a woman wants
to make a baby or not, your body is always

(15:32):
trying to make one, right, Okay, So we've now released
that egg. That egg then travels into the flupine tube
and hopefully meets the sperm, and if it doesn't mean
a sperm, it will start to travel down into the uterus. Now,
ovulation is a trigger point for the lute your face,
So where that folly cool ruptured, right, that big follicol ruptured.
The egg that overnight turns into a gland called the
corpus luteum, which is why it's called blue corpus corpus luteum,

(15:55):
corpus l cotton.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
Corpus corpus luteum.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
This is like sounds like.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
Harry Potter's hum. So that corpus of team overnight grows
up to about four centimes in size, grows its own
blood supply. Yeah, only like one of the non disease
tissues that can do that. Pretty like, this is where
women are just amazingly that's up to yeah, so it
can get pretty big, right. Then that gland is a
super energy hungry gland. It requires a lot of energy

(16:24):
to do its thing, and that is what secretes progesterone.
So then the second half of the cycle is all
about progesterone. This is where ovulation is the main event,
because if we don't ovulate, you won't make progesterone, and
that can become an issue, which we'll talk about. So
then you've ovulated, corpusly team is made. Progesterone surges right up.
We then at ovulation time you get a minor drop
in estrogen, okay, drops by about twenty five to fifty

(16:47):
percent at ovulation for short term. So some women can
also experience some problems and symptoms at mid cycle too,
which is probably something you liss just like, oh that
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
And can I just check the corpusly TM, well said,
thank you. Where is it happening in the cycle?

Speaker 6 (17:01):
So that's mid cycle? That will all right. So we're
roughly anywhere between really day ten to twenty, but a
roughly day fourteen fifteen sixteen.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
You will ovulate fortnite in a fortnight, yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:13):
Yeah, right, and at this stage a woman will also
start to see some slimy mucus in a underwear, which
we can talk about MICUs later.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Is that discharge, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
Discharge discharge, well, interchange.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
Discharge.

Speaker 6 (17:27):
So again, when ever you're doing washing with your kids
as they get older, the girls, you can even notice
discoloration on the underwear because it's acidic, and you can
get secretions or discharge which change color under a completely
normal So you've ovulated. We're now making bulk progesterone. Okay.
Progesterone is all about holding the endometrial lining in place
and transforming it to hopefully help it hold a pregnancy,

(17:50):
because remember, your body is trying to make a pregnancy
and if it doesn't then we end up with a period. Okay,
so progesterone surges, we get another mini surge of estrogen
in the second half. But it's all about progester throw really,
and if we're not getting that progesterone, all we're getting
is another second surge of estrogens. That's why ovulation is
so important. They work kind of together. They're kind of
like a in and yang hormone, all right, they sort
of level each other out. You're so many things.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Now, I'm.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
Then we get to our right before our period. We've
got progesterone up, we've got estrogen up, and then we
get a big plummet where those hormones fall away, which
then triggers the uterine lining to shed, which then triggers
the period. Now this is the time where husbands go, oh,
she's got a period. I would never be right, Yeah,

(18:41):
this is the time and you would too if you
guys lost your testosterone by about you know, eighty percent
in a weekend, in two days. The thing that makes
you strong, that makes you keeps your muscle, that keeps
you happy, that keeps you libeto up, that keeps your
energy up. Imagine if that plummeted.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Right, it would be such a whiny little bit.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
Me copper.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
As soon as they get little bit sick of money.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
But actually, in our defense, that's why it hits us
so hard because we're just not used to it. We're
not used to we're not used to the rocky road.
You know, okay, exactly a calm scene ever made a
good sailor.

Speaker 6 (19:20):
Well, you know, right the way, thank you? Sure? So
then yeah, you guys are so strong, Yeah, so strong.
That's what it is recovery, You're done. But then that drops,
and then that triggers the uterine lining to shed, okay,
which is then the period. So the period is a
big inflammatory event. All right, we have all these inflammatory

(19:41):
markers coming to that area to help remove the old
uterus lining. So basically the first half of the cycle
where we get all that estrogen that helps to build
that lining, creates a new tissue, new wall, and then
we get progesterone helps to hold it in and helps
transform it to be really healthy for a pregnancy. And
then if we don't have a fertilized egg could trigger
progesterone to keep being made. Then the uterus lining sheds away.

(20:03):
And then you've got uterus lining, you've got inflammatory fluid,
and you've got blood. So a period is actually a
combination of all three of those things.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Do you know what I thought? What I thought the
period started with the blood. I thought the cycle started
with like we'll get rid of all the old stuff.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
And start fresh.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
But it's actually the way. There you go.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
No, I didn't know.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
There you go. We're learning something every day.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
You don't start off with the blue.

Speaker 7 (20:33):
I've always said that you finished off with it wow,
and it's like starting.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
It's like a new day you dawn.

Speaker 6 (20:40):
Yeah, sorry, just trying to make it make sense in
my brain.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
And then there be like make ash.

Speaker 6 (20:50):
Make the period is the symptom of the ovulation, right,
And if we ovulate and we do have a fertilized egg,
that egg then burrows in on that uterine lining into.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
The wall and there's no agrant and.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
Then there's no period because because that burrows in, your
body goes oh yeah, it starts to send out all
these chemical messengers and then it goes cool. There's a
pregnancy here. Progesterone continues to surge, which is why pregnant
women get the pregnancy glow, because progesterone is it's the
healthy hair grow all of that, right, pedestrogesterone, progesterone an
hidin also surges too, and then their pregnancy holds in

(21:25):
place and then there's no shed because it's burrowed into
the union wall. Then your body will start to take
over that corpus luteum, which has about a ten to
sixteen day lifespan in a non pregnant cycle, so that
also dies off because that doesn't need to make progesterone anymore,
but that if there is a pregnancy that will stay
alive for the next ten to twelve weeks until the
placenta is formed, then the placenta makes all the hormones.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
This is wild, am I correct? Insane?

Speaker 5 (21:50):
Probably not?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's done well so far that you have done. My girls,
they currently in their body have all the eggs they
will ever produce in their lifetime already, So.

Speaker 6 (22:03):
That little mind down the very bottom of the ovary
has all the eggs. So really, Laura carried her grandchildren too,
so fu yep makes sense what I know. So when
Laura had your girls in her womb, your girls had
all their eggs already. Yep. They'll have the most eggs
I ever have when they're in utero and.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
You can't gain more.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
No, you are right now. We keep got what you've got, yep.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Can you imagine if we only had limited sperm, and
the more.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
You're just like, here goes here got.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
A little fella.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Gets eighteen.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
More. So yeah, and that's the thing, right, You guys
can essentially keep going with sperm, and you can also
make a baby any day you want. But a woman
could only make a baby once a month.

Speaker 7 (23:02):
And that's why a lot of people freeze their eggs,
right because you only have certain amounts?

Speaker 6 (23:05):
Yes, and so statistically by age, as you get past
thirty five, it does get harder. You know, women are
being more career driven now, the cost of living, all
that sort of stuff. They're not sure, so they're start
to freeze eggs. Freezing eggs is kind of like an
insurance policy, not a guarantee.

Speaker 7 (23:19):
And do you think as we evolve as humans that
age is getting pushed out because I mean people are
having babies later.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
Yes they are, but infertility rates are rising.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Okay, right, yeah, so it's not actually like as we evolve,
it's not.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
Actually it's not catching up. Yeah at least not yet.
That will take thousands of years. But yeah, no, so
we're not. It's yeah, there's still in fertility rates. I
think a part of the rising rates is because women
are having babies later.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Okay, So how like just so I understand because I
I don't really know how much blood would come out, Yeah,
like are we talking like like a cup.

Speaker 6 (23:51):
Or around twenty five to eighty mills. Somewhere in there
is what we would consider a healthy period, which actually
equates to double that in fluid, So that's blood. So
if you got a heavy period, let's say you've got
one hundred meals coming out, you likely have one hundred
mil of blood and two hundred mili of fluid.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
Wow, and that's over there.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
But that would be the course of the week. But
that would be a heavy period. So you know, no
woman is going and measuring what they've got. But if
you're changing your tampon a pad more than every one
to two hours, less than every three hours, if you're
changing it quite frequently, we would consider that heavy tampona pad,
you should get about sort of three to four hours
out of missing at all. That's what I mean.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
The other day you said, isn't it? Was it a
whole day?

Speaker 2 (24:34):
I don't know, because I never said that.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
Trying to make you the bad guy.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I said that in confidence.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Sorry, it was on a podcast.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
So when that happens, right, your first one and then
that's it, right, then you can't It's going to happen
every month pretty much.

Speaker 6 (24:53):
Yeah. So again when your when your girls first get out, right,
it can be inconsistent. You can have a lot of
the periods that we do. You get an ann ovulatory
meaning that no egg's released because your brain and your
ovar eas in how I said, the LH comes out
and the progester and the issue they're between brain and ovaries.
It's like a big group chat between a lot of them, right,
and then they're signaling to each other. But if yeah, msn,

(25:13):
if you will, it takes some years to develop that relationship, right,
So it takes a couple of years to really establish that.
So the first year or two can be a little
bit of regular, right, but then thereafter it's pretty good
to go.

Speaker 7 (25:24):
It's crazy, how like, by I mean my wife's still
thirty five, how in tune she is with her own
pure and it's not it's obviously like the same amongst
a lot of women. They're like, I know myself, and
it's it must take all those years obviously of really
like paying attention to your body, which is crazy because
there's no way a man could do that.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
No again, and this is where right, like, so yeah,
we're talking roughly monthly. So an average cycle is anywhere
between about twenty five to thirty five days long, So
that's period to period. Okay, twenty five to thirty five
that's quite a big Yeah. Most women will sit within
like a plus minus one to three day. So let's
say I get a thirty day cycle, I might then
get a thirty three, then a thirty two, then a

(26:05):
twenty nine, then a thirty. Can that's a healthy variance.
When we're getting huge variances, that's a bit of an issue.
We're looking at things like peacos, p moss, etcetera. Yeah,
holycystic ovarian syndrome or polycystic metabolic ovarian syndrome which is
the new name of that.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Don't make it easier.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Doubt is hard because it's.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
A lot, right, A lot can ask you a really
quick question.

Speaker 7 (26:30):
Is it an ick if your partner also follows you
tracks your period?

Speaker 6 (26:35):
No, that's a big green flat.

Speaker 8 (26:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I kind of mention his name Tom, Tom.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
Yeah, absolutely, shout out to Tom. He does not track it.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
But what if he did?

Speaker 6 (26:48):
But think he knows? I think he knows where I'm
at in each cycle. But no, you can't. So that's
the beauty of period tracking apps. Now you can actually
you yourself. Guys can log on and sink in with
your wife's app, and then you know where she's going. Yeah,
so clue and flower. I think it's the two bigger
use of friendly apps that most of them will use,
and your partner can sink him to them, so you

(27:09):
can literally look on your calendar go oh, Laura's opulating,
let's go.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
Do you think Tom tracking it makes you feel more
supportive if he's aware of where you.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
I think it depends on the woman. I'm a very
open book, and I'll say to him let's go, right. Yeah,
So I think it depends on the couple, but it's
definitely I would consider it a great thing if it
means that you're going to be supportive with it.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Imagine if there's a dad listening right now and he
puts the podcast down after it's finished, and he's left
a review and goes, hey, why don't why don't we
use this app and I can track your period? She'd
be like, what the fuck?

Speaker 6 (27:47):
I would be in love with him? Really, yeah, boy,
if you're listening.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Anyway, you're just all these other people.

Speaker 6 (27:59):
So I think that's a great thing if it means
that you are going to now be more in tune
with your wife and support her right or your partner whatever. Yeah,
I think that's the great.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Thing to do. So the beginning of the cycle, yep,
day one. That's not the ovulation phase.

Speaker 6 (28:11):
No, So day one is bleeding.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Sorry, it's bleeding at the start, so.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
Ovulation in the middle, and then a bleed is essentially
the end or the hormones drop off that triggers the end,
and the bleed starts the new cycle.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Bleed at front and back end, bleed.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
It turns into the one.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
Yeah, it turns into the one end. So the circle
of life, yeah, circle of life. Oh yeah, so it's
like the day one. Yeah, Day one of is when
you're bleeding. That's the first day of your cycle. Then
you get through middle phase, you ovulate, then you get
through the hormones drop off, and then you start bleeding
again from that one. Yeah, it flows off. But we
technically call that bleed the new cycle.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
And so your body because sometimes I'm like, wow, Laurie
is really horny.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
Yeah, because the hormone.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Because the hormone.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
Estrogen is a huge mood boosting So this is the thing, right,
Estrogen builds up the endometrial lining. However, it is all
also there as a mood booster runs like directly in
line of serotonin, you know, a happy hormone. Right, it
helps to boost your mood boost libido. Testosterone also rises
at ovulation time. Okay, so that's why increase libido. Yep,
So we're getting these mood boosting benefits. Each ofden is
also there to help support bone health, muscle mass building. Right,

(29:17):
it's a real energy building like growth type hormone. And
then he got progesterone, which is made in the second half,
helps to hold the end ofmentrial lining in place, helps
to support a pregnancy. But then it is also like
the calm.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
It really does take a village.

Speaker 6 (29:30):
Yeah, yeah, all these different things. So progesterone is the
calming hormone, right, the one that makes us feel relaxed,
level headed, anti anxiety, works on our mood. So as
much as the hormones are there to help make a
baby or not make a baby, they're also there to
do things all over the body, right, is just but yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:48):
I'm so interested.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
It is wild what a woman's body goes through.

Speaker 6 (29:52):
And that's the thing, right, So you know, every we
look at it as a month, but each week is different,
and in particular, ovulation time twenty four hours is extremely different.
Your bulk estrogen and then it drops and then you
get to progestering like it's very different.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Week to week forever.

Speaker 6 (30:08):
Yeah, yeah, until menopause.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, when you look at from from my perspective, when
I think about the concept of periods and like this
is not correct. So just before you come for me
with pitchforks, my appreciation is changing. But I was just like, oh, yeah,
it's when my bleeding when you get really moody and
really cranky.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
Delicately, that was very delicately.

Speaker 6 (30:31):
Where's that knife gone?

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah, but you're not You're not Look, I'm gonna die
on that.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Sort with you. You're not wrong?

Speaker 6 (30:37):
Well, yeah, yeah, you're not wrong, yes.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Because like how can we How can I understand like
that once you have that like the rollercoaster, like the hormones,
like the impact that it has. How did you describe
it before of the like the drop phase.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
When so right before your period you'll have both progester
and easter in the plummet right off, it's like, you know,
let's go, let's talk footy. If I send out, I said,
now my whole can I go AFL we go on rugby?

Speaker 5 (31:03):
The real sports? So rugby?

Speaker 6 (31:05):
How many on a rugby on the field eleven thirteen thirteen?
If I send out all thirteen players on field ace.
All right, we're likely to we're likely to win if
I send out two. How good is your team going
to be? All right, that's like your hormones. We're bulk,
we're great, we're going well, and then we plummet.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
What if between the quarters I go not only two
of you are going out? Everything dies down, not enough energy,
not enough time to run, can't get the ball as well. Right,
everything's going to function a lot poorer because it's not there, Okay,
And that's what happens with hormones. They plumb it off.
And that's where the moods come in.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
And is that when sometimes women will be like I
just want to eat like chocolate.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
So remember me corpus ly team.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Team Corpora guy team corps.

Speaker 6 (31:44):
Super metabolically active, meaning he requires lots of nutrients and
lots of calories, lots of energy. Right, that also secretes
progester and progester and raises the basil body temperature, meaning
that it raises our body temperature in the second half
of the cycle too. So when people are doing fertility tracking,
you'll hear about temperature tracking. We should see rise in
the second half of the cycle.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Because if you're tracking, you could be like, oh a
corporsely tm, I can here's a sandwich.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
Yeah yeah, to support.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yours really hungry.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
Good news is I've already got a sweet treat for
you right here.

Speaker 6 (32:14):
Yes, you know, if you're synced in on the app
and you come home, which kind of wife am I
coming home to today?

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (32:19):
She's luteal phase. Let's come home with the bottle line
and block a chocolate. Oh yeah, you are winning.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
I want to do.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
In terms of like, obviously your body is going through
a lot from antal perspective, but then I know that
hot water bottle with the cramps. Yeah, physically, what does
that feel like? And obviously everyone's different, but for yourself.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
With cramping in particular, let's how do we describe it?
Vic God twisting your internal organs and like a stab
of the knife at the same time, this.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Is like the the minds.

Speaker 6 (33:01):
Yes, it's getting worked on, getting chipped away.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Like when I had that parasite at that time.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
Have you ever I don't want to ask, you're on
your own. Have you eaten something bad and you get
or twisty and.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
That?

Speaker 6 (33:14):
But then like in your pelvis and it's almost like
heavy feeling, yeah, thumping, it's things I will But again,
so knowing your daughters too, a painful period is normal
to a degree, Okay, so we want to be careful
with making sure that we're getting them support if we
need to.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
As wellel, I feel bad being like and then it's
going to fucking it's gonna twist and it's.

Speaker 6 (33:38):
Going to turn.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
I'm like.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
So, a minor pain that might need an eurofern or whatever,
that is somewhat normal. But if you are stopping your day,
if you're crouching over in pain, that is not normal.
And that could be things of like signs of things
like endometriosis, which is a huge issue for a lot
of women. It takes about seventy to ten years to
get a diagnose speaking, the only way of diagnosing is
a laproscopy, so a surgery. This is where women's health

(34:04):
is so far behind.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Endometriosis is.

Speaker 6 (34:08):
So the endometrial lining is what grows inside every month
to hopefully help holder pregnancy, and then that's what sheds
right then what can happen in endometriosis is where you
get endometrial like tissue that grows outside of the uterus. Yeah,
so like another layer, not necessarily layer, but like pockets.
So it can happen on the ovar is, it can
happen in the abdomen, and then women can get lots

(34:28):
of pain. They get like a period pain up here
rather than in their So it's very painful. And remember
when I said ovulation, you get a mini short term
estrogen drop that can also trigger pain of that endometrial
like tissue during the mid cycle. So a lot of
those endometriosis sufferers, they are experiencing pain mid cycle, whole cycle.
I've seen patients that are in pain all month and

(34:50):
like it can then cause scar tissues, scar tissue, it
hears and then you know, picture me like trying to
pull gum apart, like it gets really like and then
you move and exercises a problem. Yeah, it's a very
hoverable condition.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
I'll be using my period as an excuse every other day. Sorry,
I can't record today.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
I can't imagine.

Speaker 6 (35:07):
But that's the thing though. Women have to say that
because they literally can't function in their day and then
you feel shit because then your boss is going, what hell?
But it is, it's happening, and women are getting dismissed
for it, but it's actually a real problem.

Speaker 7 (35:19):
That might lead us really nicely into some questions we got,
because that's actually one of the first questions we got
from the days we put it. We put it out there,
and we have a very strong DODA community, and we
appreciate them and appreciate you answering their questions. But that
just tickles me here because Ashley ro Dan, she said,
how hormones affect moods. My boyfriend said a period isn't
a valid reason to feel off.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Oh god, I know they're rage.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
Sorry to that man if he's listening, but oh my god,
it absolutely does. Like I said, if you guys lost
your test us to rain two low levels within a weekend,
can you imagine what would happen to you. That's the
thing that bruce your mood, builds your muscles, keeps you
from getting fat. You know that happens TOI on a
monthly basis where they have this beautiful dose of progesterone
and esygen. Like I said, they're there to help boost
your mood, help with bone health, heart health, muscle health,

(36:07):
immune health. They do things all outside of just making
or not making a baby that then they plummet off.
That causes a big.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Mood shift, and then also the pain and then the.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
Pain, and then they're trying to function in their day.
They're trying to go to work, they're trying to run
the household, whatever they're doing, still at that same capacity.
Have you guys ever like, have you ever been on
your iPhone and you're like, you're that when you're in
a low battery mode it gets to like five percent
and it gets a bit glitchy, like you're trying to
do things and it just kind of liitches out a
little bit. It's like that, like you're trying to run

(36:37):
up full capacity, but it just isn't quite right. And
then women will start to build up their estrogen again
coming out of their bleed, and then things start to
regulate it and they start to feel a bit better.
Right now again in saying that, some women can get
something called PMDD, which is post menstrual dysphoric disorder, which
can be a huge, like it's a sort of a
hormonal imbalance. So if not enough progesterone is made, we
can have issues where they get extreme moods, like quite depressive,

(37:01):
quite anxious in that weak prior to their bleed, and
then once they get their bleed, they're relieved of it.
So again that's another real condition that exists.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
I think user as an excuse because it legitimately is one.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
And if you look at those times in a woman's
life such as postpartum and menopause, perimenopause where hormones drop
quite rapidly, you see the mood changes.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
You can't deny that.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Is there anything that women can be doing to promote
healthier periods?

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Absolutely, which a.

Speaker 6 (37:31):
Lot of things we're looking at. You know, I'm always
foundations first, like healthy nutritious diet as much as possible,
high fiber, lots of protein, lots of whole foods, trying
to stay steer clear if you take away foods, you
process foods, not too much alcohol, and again everything balance.
But if you live majority of your life in a
healthy way, then you have those treats on the side.
That's really important. Sleep is another one, getting good sleep,

(37:53):
stress levels, managing stress, and then checking in on your
nutrient levels is really important too, especially you know I'm
biased here nutritionists, but checking in on those basics B
twelve iron, vitamin D which is so often so low
in a woman just topping them up. They are basic
foundational nutrients that help support our bodies processes because people
have to get like an iron infusion, yes, when it's

(38:15):
really bad, When it's.

Speaker 7 (38:16):
Really bad, is there, I mean there's obviously direct links
in there that yes, yeah, is there. I mean obviously
intaking of iron, but the iron people have to get
a fusion, Like is it just they're just lack iron.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
Or yeah, well when you're removing and not topping in
as much as you can, and that's issy deficiency. Yeah.
And then when hemoglobin, which is the oxygen carrying molecule,
when that gets really though, that's what triggers the infusion,
right mostly, But again, so yeah, eating iron rich foods
in particular, if you've got a really heavy period, there's
some things that you can focus on, we can get
really niche. But from that general point of view, foundations first, food, sleep, stress, exercise.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
See I know some women who are athletes and the
body would they would stop the period.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
Bodybuilding can't happen to me. Yes, So he stopped completely.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
So we were talking before record, and then Jackie was like, oh,
I used to do a bodybuilding we were talking.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
She was flexing, she was just squating.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
At She was like, how did that come about, that
you were missing your period?

Speaker 6 (39:15):
I was on the pill at the time. Actually I
was twenty two, so ten years ago now, and I
started this bodybuilding common Within a month of officially starting,
my period just didn't come. I would always get my
withdrawal bleed, which, by the way, when you're in the pill,
it's not a real period. It's called a withdrawal bleed.
It's probably conversation for another day. But so just didn't come.
So I had nothing there, and then I was like, oh, okay,

(39:36):
so I just stopped taking the pill and then nothing
ever came. And it was because of such a big
loss of body fat, which is protective of your organs.
Fat itself is active that sends out hormones and all
sorts of things, which is why also obesity can be
a problem because that can disrupt things too. But when
you lose so much body fat, basically your body is saying, hey,
I'm not healthy enough to hold a pregnancy. We're not

(39:56):
going to ovulate all right, And that all comes back
to the brain. The thorough communications woul between that and
the ovaries and making sure that your body is getting
enough energy to actually support a pregnancy, because remember, whether
you want a baby or not, your body always wants
you to have fun.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Right, And if the body is that we are not
in a condition where we can sustain a pregnancy, we're.

Speaker 6 (40:12):
Not going to do it. So there's low energy availability, yep.
And then that causes the brain signaling to get a
bit awry, and then we're going, now we're not having
a baby. It's a protective mechanism and going, we're not
healthy enough to house a baby right now. And look,
I totally get it, Like there's aspects of life where
that's important for that woman at that time she wants
to hit her goals to whatever sport it is. But
at the end of the day, you're not going to

(40:34):
be getting the hormones in that beautiful cyclical pattern. When
something like that's happening, tends to mean low hormones, not
enough energy.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I'm speaking of questions from dogs. I've got one here
that I would like to ask. This is from Sarah.
Thank you. Sarah. Sarah spelled essayr a hater, thank.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
God a normal spelling.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
She says, I have an eleven year old daughter, and
we have early signs of a period. Five weeks ago
she had a couple of days of light bleeding but
nothing since. Is it normal get a bit of bleeding
when you get your first period and then nothing for
a while. She's well prepared and super emotional, and we
talk about it a lot. But this is one thing
I'm not too sure on.

Speaker 6 (41:08):
Yes, so absolutely is normal. As I said, the brain
and the ovaries communication, that takes a while to get intune,
so that first year or two it can be a
bit of regular. You know, have annual villatory bleeds. So
again we're just building up estrogen, but then never getting
that dose of progesterone. So that hence the mood because
progesterone is a beautiful anti anxiety hormone, right, So then
that's happening. It's all just trying to figure itself out,
trying to figure out the lay of the land, and

(41:30):
then it will become regular. So yes, normal, don't stress.
Just be prepared more than anything, with having you know,
school bag, top dart things at home.

Speaker 7 (41:38):
I love how prepared there is congratulations being prepared and
the communication is amazing.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Do you think and everyone's different here, but when you
think back to your first period, how do you wish
your mum or your dad would have reacted and what
kind of communication would have helped you in that scenario.

Speaker 6 (41:54):
It was so taboo for me. What was that when
I was like two thousand and four, I don't know.
It was just like I was Dolly doctor, like you know,
sell the section, you peel the thing off.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I love that section.

Speaker 6 (42:07):
That and my sisters and even then my sisters and
I didn't really talk about it much. I just think,
like I said earlier, laying it in from early around sons,
around daughters periods and not a taboo topic. We talk
about it and we don't slam it either. It's oh,
Laura must be on a period. My dad used to
say that she must be on a period to me.

Speaker 7 (42:25):
And I'm like af when I hear someone say it
now these days, like in and around wherever I'm at,
it gives me the it.

Speaker 6 (42:32):
Is it's really like I can I'm here, I'm here
for the banter. But that really pisses me off when
that happens, right, because it's like, well, fuck, you lose
your hormones, you deal with it, and then and then
you tell me how you feel right, like, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
It's I don't know if I'm like and again, everyone's different,
but I kind of want to celebrate it, like, yes.

Speaker 6 (42:57):
Period party, let's do it. Yeah, we one of the
that's weird, my daughters be like get in year seven.
The girls we pretty much all had our period, and
one of the girls was late. It was like the
end of year seven's like approaching nearly fourteen. And then
she got a period and we all had a huge
party and we all gave her like he's tamp on,
here's a pad, like we're all helping her out in
the school work. And then the next then the next day,

(43:19):
bless her. Mum made muffins for every color. Let's go
with red, but we'll go with red. Yeah. So yeah,
celebrate it because it is it's like at the next
stage of life, like here we are. You know, you
celebrate when you go to school, when you get your
first goal, when you do all that. Let's celebrate this.
Why not like turn it into a thing. It's exciting
rather than oh shit, I was.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I was very late to get hit puberty, and I
was just begging for puber care.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
I was, so you know what though, that's the thing
you guys would start to know because the girls will
start that the nipples start top out first and then
the boob start to come along. You need to get
cropped offs and bras generally before the pure to come.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
So how do you have that conversation?

Speaker 6 (44:04):
I think your daughter will probably approach it or you
just sit down and say, hey, I think we should
go sports brush shopping. Don't get some new clothes and
start there, like make it again a thing, Let's go
buy some new clothes something like that.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I'm gonna I think my daughter would be like, Dad, please, like,
don't fucking come to us.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
You're going to talk about it on your podcast.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
And that's a good point though, like women don't need
things to be fixed for us when it comes to
this stuff that we need support and not turning your
nose up. I remember, so I used to use a
menstru crup and at our old house we had a
double shower. Tom and I would always double shower shower
next to each other. That was like our catch it
was our catch up time, right, And then once I
literally just in front of him, pulled my menstra cup

(44:43):
out and tipped it down the drain and he was like, oh,
and I turned around him. I said, don't fucking kill
your nose. I'm like, that's going to make us a
baby one day. And he goes, oh whatever and gets
all that about and then I'm like, yeah, no, like
I get it. It can be a bit like in your face.
But also shut up, you know I can't control what.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Do you call it? Sorry, I'm going to be stupid. Second,
not protection? What do you call utensils? What what do
you call?

Speaker 6 (45:13):
Like?

Speaker 2 (45:13):
What what items? Sanitary? I'm speaking of sanitary items. Would
you be able to run me through myself and ash
sanitary item options? Because I know, like a tampon? Yeah, sure,
I now know that a pad sticks to the underwear?

Speaker 6 (45:33):
Where did you think it's stuck?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Although, actually, can I just for a hot second, there
is actually a product I was served in ad for
it on social media. It's a waterproof swimming pad attaches
to the ad alabia.

Speaker 6 (45:44):
Oh okay, that's a newbie. So anyone who's like doing
the right thing you said.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Lay not just so if I was.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
Where is the LaBier?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
It's the adalypse.

Speaker 6 (45:56):
The adalypse. You got majora minora, the ada lipse like angels?
Yet you got the ad lips, which is like the
skin and then the lipslips.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
I'm going to the medical terms from now.

Speaker 6 (46:12):
So you find that I have Yes, clearly, I have
show and tell. Let's do this great let's quiz. I
remember one? I mean podcast. I know we've got the videos.
Long cotton fabric looking what shape rounded? What is this?
That's a pad that is well done?

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Is this?

Speaker 6 (46:32):
Now? This we pull the sticky back off and that
sticks on top of the underwear, right, all right, if
you're helping your daughters now, you want to make sure
that it's like it's like a pretty clear guess where
you put it, like right in the middle of the underwear.
You don't want to go too far forward to lake
not well, yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
That way.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
And now as you can feel that one, you can
feel that it might lose its sticky bit. That's where
I'm a big fan of these guys that we call wings.
That where that guy was, So this one is pad
with wings. All right. I'm a big fan of this
because it stops it from sliding around. So that goes

(47:10):
on top and then you curl them under the underwear
and stick them in like a sticky bit.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Thigh and you could if you're in your the phase
of cycle you're bleeding a lot, you could be going
through how many pads in a day?

Speaker 6 (47:25):
In an ideal world with a healthy bleed, we would
be changing a pad every three to four hours on
our heaviest day. However, you can get a heavier bleed
than that or a light of bleed. Okay, so some
women will need to do Some women do it hourly,
which is where we get into heavy territory where generally
something's up right right. So that's again if your daughter's
like dad, I'm going through these like every hour and
I'm linking everywhere. Help me speak to GP, Speak to

(47:48):
you GP. Go in the doctor, get some blood work done,
have a chat about the whole thing. So they're the
two ones that are really good to start with. Second
good one to start with. I mean, look these what.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Would you go there?

Speaker 6 (48:00):
Period underwear, period underwear. They've been around relatively new, yeah,
a few years now, so you can see the lining
all right, that can that will absorb the blood and
then you.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Wash it and have you tried these before.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
They are Yeah? I love these as like a fail safe.
So like you know, day one, two or three is
maybe your heaviest day. You can put your tampon in
and wear that as like a backup, especially if you've
got somewhere to go or something to do, or you
want to wear white clothing or something. They're a really
good backup.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
And these are the great option if you think you're
getting that spot bleeding with your young child.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
First, yep, April has those.

Speaker 5 (48:38):
They take forever to.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Dry after you wash them absorbed. Yes, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
Good And now look you can get that's that's one brain,
get a whole ray. You can get now some cool
like lacy ones that look a bit nice on because
they're a bit granny panty. But again, no one really cares.
They just want the company come home. Then we've got this.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Guy's on you. That is a rocket ship.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
It's a menstr cup.

Speaker 6 (49:00):
It is a menstrual cup. Well done. So what would
you call it? Conical? U shape?

Speaker 2 (49:04):
May I touch it?

Speaker 6 (49:06):
You can touch it? It's silly, can Okay? So that
like what the yep?

Speaker 3 (49:11):
This one that feel like inside you.

Speaker 6 (49:13):
When it's improperly show when it's improperly you really can't
feel it. But these guys are a bit tricky. But
if you're someone with like a heavy blee. They can
be a bit helpful because you can generally store a
bit more fluid than what say a tampon could.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
And and I'm assuming that like kind of nipple end
is to like pinch to.

Speaker 6 (49:31):
Let me show you how you do it. So this
one you generally have to do like a shit sea
shaped folds. You do that, you fold it over, create
that little sea and then stick it in. So you
see what I mean, quite invasive. So you stick it in,
then you push it up, and then you have to
make sure it pops open.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
And can I be really stupid for a second, you're
going to lub that up before you consern not necessarily No,
you can.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
Yeah, so it can be a bit dry. But again
remember you got blood and stuff going on, so it's
all so, but it is.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
You lub it up it much about Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
Maybe that goes right in up and then catches it
all okay, And then there's like you need to make
sure it pops open. You got to kind of run
your finger around it or like twist it a bit
to make sure it pops open. Bit invasive. It's probably
not the first thing to go for.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
If you are wearing that is that something you would
check on.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
You generally change it once a day. On your heavier days,
you might want to change in the middle. So that's
where they're really good, right, so eco friendly keep them.
You put them in boiling water at the end of
your bleed and that disinfects it, and then you boiling
water it again when you start your bleed, and then
put it in so I dearly like put it in
the morning, empty it at night, put it back in
for nighttime, empty it in the morning.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
And so then if you're working and you're having a
heavy bleed and you're like in wearing a menstrual carp
and you're like, oh, I've got to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 6 (50:38):
So it's a tricky point. Wow. So if you're not
like in a disabled toilet where there's a sink, So
that's again a part of the problems with these guys, right,
they're a bit inconvenient if you've got a heavy bleed
and aren't eating a change it again. You could do
this and your underwear, so you think of your period
or sanitary items like a toolkit. Generally women will use
a couple in some way, shape or form, like you
would choose you put your running shoes on, if you running,

(51:00):
tweet things and when you going down the beach. You know,
they're all for different functions. If I've got a heavy on,
my heavy bleed, got an important day, I'll probably wear
you know, a cup and my period and is just
to make sure right. But see what I mean, this
is a ship woman got to deal with. I'm just like,
on a monthly basis, I wouldn't be able to keep
up with it all if it was if I had
to do it, I'd be like, I don't.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
Know how you guys do it.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Forget your period again?

Speaker 6 (51:22):
You can forget, you can in like oh, and then
this guy everyone has forgotten and linked at least once
in her life.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
Oh yeah, I mean April.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
The other day she was her periods in our family calendar. Okay,
so I'm ware around out the time.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
But the other day she was like, oh, just leaked
to her.

Speaker 7 (51:42):
I was like, oh, obviously she was like having a
heavy flow.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
You can feel it sometimes you can literally feel like
a gush, like water bottle squeezing it. You can feel that, Wow,
you get this. And then this guy everyone knows that
one cotton a little plug tampon tampon well well done down,
So this fine doesn't just go and sit in like
that like on the edge. You have to push it
up so you again finger in your vagina and it

(52:08):
grows up in how far about like a bit of
a finger. It depends on everyone's vagina versus where the
cervix is deep you vagina? How deep?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeap? And how do you like? Is it one of
those things like you'll know when you've got the spot?

Speaker 6 (52:22):
Yeah, you can't feel it once it's in there. Put
it that way and if you're feeling it, it will
be uncomfortable, like you know, if the daughters are now trying.
You can also get tampon applicators. By the way, it's
like a big bit of plastic that goes and you
push it up so you don't have to put your
finger in.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
Yeah, quick question for you, Matt.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Do you know how big they get?

Speaker 6 (52:39):
There? We go that's probably not quite full. That will
get a little bit bigger. Whoa, yeah, So it's like
a sponge.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
My goodness.

Speaker 6 (52:45):
And so when it's full, it's full, and then when
that gets full you can lick right, So it's about
changing at the right time, and they can be if
you're on like your light a day, maybe it might
be your last day. If you bleed, that won't be
completely full, like it all swell up like that, but
you might get like only a little bit of blood
on it, and then it can be a bit paying
foot pool out because like it's dry frictioning, it's meant
to be absorbent. So that's like, oh and then one more,

(53:06):
oh more, what's that cute? That's just a liner that
yees aflash for you. Ash, Wow, this is a lineup okay,
so you can be used on like the last day.
There's just a bit of spotting which is just literally
like a fu trickles of blood. Also like mid cycle
with mucus and everything going on, discharge which can happen.
Women are meant to have discharge that can be in
there to help protect underwear and just feel a bit

(53:26):
more comfortable as well.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
It's sticky on one side.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
Yep, you same as a pad really, but just thinner.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
This is I'm excited for the future, the moment to come.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Yeah, your kids got real question.

Speaker 6 (53:39):
I got this real question is if your girls, like
any dad's listening, if your girl's got their period tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Would you know what to do, absolutely not.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
Yeah, so this is where this sort of stuff is
so important, just basic education of knowing that. Let go
to the supermarke gravit all.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Let's right.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
But I would say, you know, pads and period underwear
probably the best place to start for a new me
less invasive.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
As you can see obviously that first periods are a
little bit of regular, but so you get the spot bleeding.
You could be wearing the say because I like the
idea of the undies, yeap, you could be wearing them
for like a couple of weeks, right, because you're not
quite sure.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
Well yeah, you could just keep putting them on if
you're not sure when it's coming, or again, like you know,
when you're a couple of weeks. But you know, you
can be prepared with spare underwear as well in the
bag because yeah, they might bleed onto their underwear, yeah,
you know, or to pack an extra school dress as
well because it can link. Generally when it's earlier, it
won't be super heavy, like they'll notice spotting before it

(54:34):
gets heavy. But you never know. Everyone's different. So the
other thing too is that period undies are also great
for when you're sleeping yep. Again, you can do like
a double. You can put a tampon in if it's
heavy and do the period undies. But they're super comfy
for sleep. Just a great second option because you don't
No one wants to be waking up covered in blood.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
You wearing period undis when you were younger didn't exist?
So what would you do?

Speaker 6 (54:55):
We wearing pads pads? Yeah, and then I reckon I
got onto Tampa after a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Who ever invented the period well done?

Speaker 6 (55:01):
Yeah, real big.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Growing up? Is this field an area that you wanted
to always work in?

Speaker 6 (55:09):
No, it actually wasn't so. I actually wanted to be
a coroner one day.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
I've anyone who had what.

Speaker 6 (55:17):
A forensic pathologist? Dead bodies, figure out how they died
cutting them. Yeah, no, weirdo. I used to I've got
this real big thing for crime shows. But anyway, No,
I've always loved medicine, always love the body that I've
always known. It used to beg my mum to stay
out to watch er.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
Right, that's just George cl so handsome.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
Oh no, no, I'm not a cl fan. No, the
other dot I can't remember his name. He I used
to like him. But anyway, so I've always liked the
human body. Right then, I think a big stem for
me was probably the bodybuilding comp When I lost my period,
it irritated me that I couldn't get the help that
I wanted. And women's health is often quite neglected and

(55:53):
you're often quite dismissed or pushed off for a psychological
symptom when it's actually a physiological problem. So that definitely
stemmed it. And I went and I actually studied my
first degree in prosthetics and athotics, making pay calms and lengths.
I used to do that, Oh wow, yeah, And then
went back to you and I just didn't love it
when Bauccini studied nutritional dietetic medicine, which is where I
am now. And then I've just got a real I

(56:14):
love human biology and love the biochemistry of it all,
real big niche of mine, I find. And then it
just really drove me into women's health. I think passionately
from the bodybuilding can't losing my period that was the
real big driver, and it's just something that I just get,
like it just flows off my tongue for me.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
You know, a fridge full of old body parts to.

Speaker 8 (56:32):
You at my sister, and now we're here.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
As dads. What are some of the things that we
shouldn't say to our daughters about periods?

Speaker 6 (56:52):
Oh, she's in a period, you know, that tone, that
that dismissive, that she's clearly moody. That's not good for anybody.
We don't need to be fixing things too, right, It's
just about supporting and being there. And it's not a
taboo thing. You know, if she needs a tampon, go
and get a one. It's just about being a support system,
really and not degrading it, not believing it, not making

(57:14):
a taboo. I think that's really important more than anything.
And welcome to womanhood. No one wants to hear that,
or it's just a part of being a woman.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Dialogue, party poppers, so they're.

Speaker 6 (57:28):
Sort of the biggest things. It's just about the support
and not turning your nose up to it and not
going ill. And then sons, you know, I can only
imagine my son's only two and a half, but you know,
boys a little turns. Oh yeah, I can only imagine
him being like, eh, don't condone that behavior, all right,
you know, change that And it's about you know, healthy masculinity.
I think that's all really important too. So even you

(57:49):
know when we're educating and not to doing and you
know Law or April are like changing their tampon and
the sons around, don't not do it because he's there.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
Do it in front of him, expose them to it.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
It's my thing. It's just it's just another day. If
your sons are asking, you would just I would just
say it's a part of growing up. It's what eventuates
to you know, if you want to have children, that's
what it's there for. It's just a normal part of
your body, just like breathing, eating, sleeping. It's just another
thing that happens to women and not men because women
are the ones that make babies. Really, that's what it's for.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
It's a bit I don't know who to blame for this,
for those people out there who have started this narrative,
but like the stork brings the baby and they come
from the cabbage from.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
It's such a Disney way of saying, yeah, kids.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
Again, just be real and like you can call it.
It's I think it's also an important thing to label
your body parts appropriately, especially when it comes to the
safety of children et cetera. You know, labeling penis vagina
only eye touch it whatever. Yeah, those things are really important.
So for any dads listening today, just sitting here for
the one hour and taking this knowledge in, you're going

(58:54):
to be doing so much more than the average dad
to support your wives and daughters through really their life journey.
Women spend forty years men straining, So it's important that
we know that for our wives and daughters, the.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
Bar is low support it.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
And that's that can be so easy, right, I mean,
by just doing those things.

Speaker 6 (59:13):
Listen for an hour and your fucking don't don't slap
my bum in my little face. That's what I was
my husband, he goes, he slaps me on the ass,
and like you know, it's the beginning of my cycle. Finea, Tom,
do better, Tom better, don't touch.

Speaker 7 (59:28):
I saw a video the other day of like someone
doing that where it's like slapping the bat at the
wrong time and then it just comes up with like
his funeral memorial.

Speaker 6 (59:36):
Literally, the same act can be irritating at one point
in your cycle, and then the next point it can
be a turn on.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
So wow, having some self reflection all that time, I
almost feel this sounds really were like this little emotional
connection to like the mind of the female body producing
these eggs, and I'm like, go on, you mine, it's working.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
So it's hard, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
And then it comes to the end of its life
cycle when periods will stop. And I'm going to assume
that happens when they're another eggs left in the body.

Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
Exactly right. So as we start to age, we start
to hit our perimenopause. Use, so let's do some definitions. First,
Menopause is defined as twelve months without a period, So
it's a you kind of diagnosed after the fact, right, right,
So once you've had no period for twelve months and
you know around that late forties, early fifties age average
age of menopause in Australia is fifty one. Once you

(01:00:29):
hit that, then we're officially in menopause. But perimenopause is
the lead up to It's almost like puberty again, but
on the reverse. What happens to the body yep, So
about seven to ten years prior to actual menopause, that's
how long we can get symptoms for yep. So really
late thirties is a sign to start watching out for

(01:00:49):
things like perimenopause in saying that, make sure you get
checked up on things because it could be another condition
that we don't want to just neglect. Four perimenopause. But
it can start happening in late thirties, which is wild,
which then means women go from potentially having a baby,
all the huge rise and drop of postpartum, which is
a conversation for another day, then into perimenopause. So perimenopause

(01:01:12):
is the egg start to get less. So, as I said,
you know, you have all those follicles that come up
to the ovary, they start in the mine. It takes
a few months to get to the top of the mine,
and then rather than they're being you know, maybe fifteen,
there's now six, now five, four, and now there's only one,
and then it gets to none, exactly right. And so
during that time, women will some months have a completely

(01:01:33):
normal cycle, some months they won't ovulate, some months they'll
ovulate but have a really low progesterone level and a
really high estrogen level, which it tends to be where
it starts. So your brain is trying to signal to
the ovary and say, hey, we need more eggs, We
need more eggs. So it's trying to push these follicles
to come up, and those follicles will actually stimulate the estrogen.
So then women get a lot of easter and they

(01:01:53):
get really heavy period at the beginning and a shortened cycle.
So that's generally the first sign that a woman will
get is a heavier bleed than normal and a shortened cycle,
but only like a few days. So if I have
a thirty day cycle, I might now be getting like
a twenty five day cycle, and it's been all of
a sudden you start to notice it. Oh, and now
my mood's starting to shift a bit and my periods

(01:02:13):
are getting heavier. Then they'll switch to lighter. Se your
periods will go from really heavy to quite light because
you're potentially not ovulating. The estrogen's getting lower, and then
we get less of a build up of that lining,
which creates the lighter bleed, and then we get to
no bleed at all. And now the issue with that
is if you zoom in, your progesterone and estrogen are

(01:02:35):
roller cooaster up down, up down, up, down, updown, and
then if you zoom out, it's this like giant dive
going down. So you have such a severe shift up
and down, up and down. But really you are slowly decreasing,
well not slowly, quite quickly decreasing compared to say a
man's testosterone, which will decrease with age. But it's kind
of like this gradual, like cruisy river ride down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
I feel guilty, sorry about that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:59):
Yeah, but this is where you know, modern medicine, hormone
therapy is really fantastic in this era. That's a conversation
to have with the doctor, but that is there as
a support for women and you know some like honestly,
the perimenopause patients that I see which we do supportive
care with and we work in with the doctor and
their hormone therapy and trying to you know, negate as
much as we can. They're different women. They're like borderline divorce.

(01:03:21):
They don't know left from right, the brain fog. They're
forgetting their keys. Vaginal atrophy and dryness, meaning the vagina
is getting is shrinking and getting dryer. So you can
imagine that with then low progester and low estrogen, low testosterone,
low libido. You know how much fucking tension that will
cause in a relationship. Of course, my vagina hurts it's
getting smaller and I have no libido in me right, So,

(01:03:42):
so hormone therapy can be a huge wonder, but it's
such a volatile time for a woman and a lot
of relationships can suffer when it's unknown by the man
and when the conversation isn't had. Yeah, so again, anyone
late thirties and beyond, if the mood is is, you know,
quite cyclical, you notice it like right before you have

(01:04:03):
your period, things are getting really hectic and you can
potentially start to go, okay, maybe this is a perimenopause thing,
and just yeah, having the conversations with your partner and
going I don't feel quite right or I think I'm
going through perimenopause. I might need a bit of extra
support and for you guys to be like, okay, what
can I do for you? And you know, maybe it
means taking off some of the mental loads, not just
doing a task, but doing all the preparatory steps to

(01:04:25):
go to the task right, like oh good, and while
to go out and get the shopping. But if you
need to ask for what the list is and what
we're low on, that's another part of the problem. But
you know, there's things like that that can really support
a woman who's going through such a volatile time where
the mood boosting, the anti anxiety, the bone building hormones
are starting to deplete. This is why postmenopause women, they
increase risk of diseases, last ole diseases, cancers, heart disease,

(01:04:48):
diabetes increases after menopause because you don't have those healthy
doses of those hormones coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
It's not fair, is it? Yes? Why fair? Literally the
discrepancy between men and women.

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Wow, we get erections of random ones.

Speaker 6 (01:05:02):
At any slight movement, and guys, apparently we tuck them
under the belt.

Speaker 5 (01:05:05):
We do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Oh my god. There is so much that I don't
know about it, but I want to say thank you
so much for explaining in a way that for me
is really easy to digest. And I think there are
so many dads out there who will benefit from more
information that hasn't been as available to them as it
should be.

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
I can guarantee any dad's listening. If you've sat here
for the hour and listened, you will know that much
more than someone who hasn't. Just learning basics is so
huge because then you can know how to support it.
That bit better and just being there riding the wave
with the women alongside, because it's wild. We go from
periods to them potentially a pregnancy to postpardon which wow,

(01:05:49):
and then into perry and then menopause.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Well, you're doing great work, and you, guys go, it's
been a pleasure being on the wave for you to thank.

Speaker 6 (01:05:56):
You for having me.

Speaker 7 (01:05:57):
I'm going to my wife's cycle, yes, and I appreciate
you coming in and spend some time. So we're going
to sit down again and go through the rest of
everything else that there is because this was so much,
so much to do.

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
Yeah, thank you Jack, Thanks guys, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
We always brag Matthew about it now that we're dads
and we have toolkits. But do you have a sanitary toolkit?

Speaker 6 (01:06:18):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Do you know what I'm going to do one for
every room in the house when it's time to go
out with the girls and buy the sanitary items. To Laura, I've.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
Got this, I've got this. We know where the wings go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Now. Although I do recall one time, there was only
once or twice when Laura said, can you go out
and buy me a tampon? It's very confusing the amount
of times fun it was fun. It was like half
an aisle of the supermarket was all tampons and I
was like, there's just too much to choose from lots
of different sizes. Is there a that's like that's phase two?

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
I don't know how I googled.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
It, but a huge shout out to Jackie for teaching
us because it was it was such an important conversation
and you know what, Ash, we.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Didn't even get halfway through it, so she's gonna have
to come back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Knowledge is power, absolutely, you know what I'm saying. Brother, Please, brother, and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
If you've also enjoyed this episode, don't want to hear
more from Jackie maybe I don't know, please leave a review,
subscribe what else do we do?

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
And give us a comment your favorite sanatory item please.

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
And your size anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
I'm not laughing at that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Why too far?

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
But this is serious? Why this is like, come.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
On, there's no shame in sizes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
I just want to know. I'm curious.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
You can join us on Instagram, Facebook, shut up for YouTube,
but for.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Now, keep on cycling.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Keep on cycling, girls, we'll follow it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
Send me cycles please, bye bye?

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Can I be really quickly? I'm so sorry to be
dumb here because you the bleed at the start and
the finish. But the first bleed is eight days.

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
The first bleed who is day one? It's generally about
a four to seven day bleed, and then we go through,
we ovulate and then we make the gesterone the same thing.

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
It's like the the curtain connector.

Speaker 6 (01:08:21):
I haven't put in yet bookends copy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
That's a better analogy than the curtain connector.

Speaker 6 (01:08:29):
Yeah, we bleed that triggers day one. So there's the bleed,
the period and then the cycle is the whole length
from bleed to bleed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
But the bleed to bleed book nds the same bleed.

Speaker 6 (01:08:41):
Yes Society Yes Two.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Doting Dance Podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout
Australia and the connections to land, see and community.

Speaker 7 (01:08:53):
We pay our respects to their elders past and present
and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and torrestraight on
the people's today. This episode was recorded on gadagal Land

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