#246 First Foods & Lunchbox Hacks With Jules from The Bable

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Matt, there's one thing that really drives me wild every
weekday morning.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I know what it is? Oh, go on, probably traffic. Traffic.
You get a note of traffic that's up there. You
don't like boomers, You're very attacking of the boomers. It's
nothing to do with that, Okay.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Is it making lunch boxes for kids?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I was going to say hemorrhoids.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Well that's there too.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
What do you like with making food? How would you?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
We'll find out during this episode, I guess.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
So we are.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
We are going to actually do a little a little
test on this episode. Ash and I are going to
compete where we have we've made a lunch because we're
going to get our guests on this episode to rate
what our lunch boxes are like from a dietary perspective.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes, and good news is Matt, she's a qualified nutritionis
it's jewels from the Babel I believe it is, which
is the baby food Bible and now the lunchbox Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Look, there's a lot I don't know about food.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Look, I know where it goes, I know where it
comes out of and that's about it.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
That's about all I know. I mean, the kids, I
try and give them a vegetable here and there.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I know that my kids are talking to me about Macro's.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I'm like, what the talk about spending the first time
with April.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, let's face it, Matt, we probably most of us
need help in this department.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Speak for yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
All right, Well, let's get into it and find out.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Can't wait. Welcome back to two doting dads and one
doting mum.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I am Maddie, Jay, I'm Ash, and I'm Jewels.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
This is a podcast all about parenting.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
It is the good, it is the bad and the relatable,
and we never give advice because we're not experts.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
However, Jewels, you are the experts today.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Welcome, thank you, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Can I just double check you are? You are qualified? Nutritions?

Speaker 5 (01:55):
I am?

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I am how We'll get into it later, but just quickly.
How long do you study?

Speaker 5 (02:03):
I studied five years, but half of it was part
time because it was COVID and I was having babies.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
So that's legit. Okay, you're not one of those fake ones.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
No, no, one of those fake online ones. He just
likes food. Guilty.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'm a nutritionalist because I like to eat, but it's
more complex than that Oreos.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Oh yeah, I've had to go off the oreos. I've
told you that I didn't know for what reason. I
think I was going to shit an oreo at one point.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
How many are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Well, I sent Laura to the shops to get eight
packs of oreos.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's a problem.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
It's a problem. Hang on, I quit drinking.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
Okay, you need advice, I understand.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, I've cut back. I've had to cut back. Maybe
that's why I'm so moody.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Anyway, Well, we.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Usually start these episodes finding out a little bit about
the person that is yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Do you recall the most trouble you got into as
a child.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
I very much do recall. Okay, it's imprinted in my mind.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Oh my god, childhood trauma.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, this is what I have to talk about it.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
But it has created trauma for it for me. And
I'll tell you. I when I was sixteen, I had
a boyfriend who I'm not proud about, sorry if you're listening,
and absolutely not, and my parents were going away for
the weekend and he was absolutely not allowed to sleep
over because you know, I'm sixteen. I could even have

(03:29):
been younger, but let's not go sixteen, no, no, no, sixteen.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Is fine, and he was thirty five.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
There's a second that they left the house to go away.
I thought I was messaging him to tell him to
come over and stay the night. But of course I
messaged my mom because she was what was on my
mind at the time, like, oh my god, I'm doing this.
I'm messaging him he's coming over to sleep, and I

(03:56):
think the message went something like baby, because you're sixteen
and they've just left, come over as in sleep. It
was definitely a sleepover. And my mom messaged me called
me straight away, and when I saw the call coming in,
I was like, that's weird. Oh god, like they've just left,
Like what's happening. And then she called me and she's

(04:19):
just started like lashing out, And then I had to
pretend that it was my friend that I was messaging,
and she's like, you don't call mail baby, Oh my god,
and I just it was just an absolute disaster. I
was absolutely grounded for a month.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Did you try and get out of it?

Speaker 5 (04:36):
I did, and I said it was my friend and
she's like, I know you don't call her baby, I
know you've invited X, not saying his name over tonight.
This is absolutely unacceptable. Should we come home? Started ranting
with my dad. Should we come home?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah? Did you marry that man?

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Absolutely? And ever since then, you know, when you're writing
like a tricky message or a message maybe about someone else,
and then I'm for everything? Am I sending it to
that person?

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I think?

Speaker 5 (05:02):
So it's created this little bit of like maybe good anxiety.
Actually I think I needed that.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
We've all done it.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I think I think everyone in some capacities I have definitely.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Do you know what I actually did it to make
you feel a little bit better? I did it last week.
I did it with Nana, Oh God, and actually very
on topic because she was making chicken schnitzel and she
she cut it up and gave it to Lola for
school the next day, and my sister on that day
then picked up the kids. Both kids chicken schnitzel, not
touched and they said we didn't we didn't like it.

(05:36):
And I was speaking to my sister and then after
I was like, oh, I went to message her to say,
don't tell Nana the kids because she'll be devastated.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
And I sent that Nana and she was like.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
What I think this happens with everyone.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
We've all done it, and the feeling, it's like, it's
the feeling is pure dread.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, that's how I feel.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
I actually have a friend who did that to her boss.
I don't know if I can go into any more detail,
but she basically had to resign afterwards. I would say
that definitely trumps it. Yeah, okay, surely, Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Nan is used to like, we've given a shit about
a cooking for year, and I think she was.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
I thought this was actually the chicken schnitzer.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
That's her, like, moved on from the spaghetti.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, that's just that's the backbone. But the real hero
is the chicken schnitty.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah, but that's kids, right, We've got some. You know,
kids aren't going to enjoy everything adults enjoy. You might
be loving the shit.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
So breaker Yeah, speaking of kids, Yes, how are your two?

Speaker 5 (06:39):
They're great, They're great, They're they're full on. But you know,
I'm just learning to be that mum that has very active,
busy kids, defiant, headstrong.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I feel like they're all like that though.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
The age that my daughter's out, she's three, it's like
nothing I've ever experienced. My son was absolutely not like that.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Hang on, what do you mean?

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Because I have to also say that anytime I make
fun of little boys on this podcast, I'm very much joking.
I love all children equally in a very platonic way.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
I just think it's an age thing, but then it's
also a personality thing, Like she's just incredibly independent and headstrong,
and she has been from the very get go, and
I find it really challenging as a parent. There's a
lot of you know, like, I don't want to be
this super strict parent. My husband's very relaxed parents, so
that in itself is an interesting dynamic. But I also

(07:36):
need to hold these boundaries, and I find it really
hard when there's just you're you're on something for an
hour and you're not getting anywhere, and then you're just
kind of throwing in the towel and you're like, oh, Okay,
that was a waste of time. And I think it's
going to be for the best when she's older. I
think she's going to be an absolute But you.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Just riding through the storm right now.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's a big storm.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
But how do you compare because you got three and
a half.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
And five and a half she's three and he's five
and a half.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
How do you compare this phase to the newborn phase?

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Oh my god, I wish that I knew when I
had a newborn how easy it was. I think about,
if I'm comparing it, A lot of people say when
they have newborns, oh my god, this is so full on.
Oh but you've got two kids, and you know, I
can't imagine. But I do think when you have a newborn,
this is the first time you're a parent. It is
incredibly new and overwhelming. But in hindsight, it was so

(08:27):
much easier than having a toddler.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
They can't move you sort of you if you stick
to the routine and you I find that like, as
soon as they start to get on the move and
they can do their own thing, it does.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
It's a different level of absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
I just I wish I was a bit more maybe relaxed.
Really yeah, I found it really hard.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I did with both number one and number two.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Especially number two. I found that really tough.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
The juggle, okay, like the logistical juggle of it all.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
I guess for us, I never stopped working. I never
had Matt leave. I was always writing books and working
on recipes, and this was the business never stopped because
it was kind of in its infancy stage. So having
a second baby whilst trying to finish off a book,
whilst having a two year gap, really struggling with things
like breastfeeding throughout the whole process, like it.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Was just a lot.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
I am one of those people that if I'm going
to write an email, I need to focus on the
task at hand entirely, And if there's a toddler of
child crawling on the floor that's about to put a
fork in a power socket, thankfully, I can't concentrate.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, I find any little distraction. I find it very true.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Oh absolutely, I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Could you breastfeed with baby number one?

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Or I breastfed with both? But I struggled immensely with both.
I don't know from the get go, from the very minute,
like I had every single actation consultant in the hospitals
both times around trying to get them to latch, and
neither baby did, and I was so determin and to breastfeed.
I don't know how to explain this feeling, but like.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I just as men. Yeah, I don't think we will
ever be able.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
To truly appreciate the pressure that mums go through when
it comes to breastfeeding.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
What does that feel like?

Speaker 5 (10:13):
It's a lot I think as a nutritionus as well,
you know, knowing how beneficial it is for our babies
and they're not being able to do it is a
really hard pill to swallow.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Why does it benefit more?

Speaker 5 (10:26):
Listen, I totally understand how many people firstly can't breastfeed
or don't want to breastfeed, and absolutely no judgment. I
think for me, it was just you're setting them up
with this incredible immunity. You know, you're giving them these
antibodies that can really it's liquid gold essentially, and the
benefits of the early days of being able to give

(10:49):
that to them definitely sets them up to thrive. I'm
not saying you can't get that from formula and good
food later on, but those first six months are incredibly beneficial.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
I'm going to be, as I normally are on these
podcast episodes, a little bit stupid.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Is it colostrum?

Speaker 5 (11:06):
So when it's coming into colostrum initially I got it.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Right, Yeah, you're there, right, So you.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Express colostrum when you can do it before the baby
actually comes, and then those early days.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Can you guys give a bit more reaction for I
was going to say colostrophe, but so you've done really
well there that's the first time.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, well done.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
And that's a hard word as well, it is yeah
to interrupt. No, that's okay, and that is that liquid gold.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Then did you struggle from day dot.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Day dot with both kids?

Speaker 3 (11:37):
I know, was it latching or what like?

Speaker 5 (11:39):
Just so with my son George, it was latching, and
obviously I'd never breastfed before, so that was really hard.
I just couldn't get him latched on. And a lot
of women do struggle with this, But prior to having babies,
you don't realize how many people are struggling with it.
You just it's not something that's ever entered your sphere.
You know, you have no idea. You're like, oh, of
course I'm gonna have a baby and then I'm going

(12:01):
to breastfeed. And I think that this is a misconception.
People don't realize until they start trying how difficult it
can be, and then you start to think, why me,
why am I not able to do this? So I
remember with George, I had to use nipple shields. I
had multiple appointments.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
What's a nipple shield?

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Sorry, yes, I feel like there's a lot of this,
like a jousting stick as well.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
It's like a little thing. It's like a little piece
of silicon that you put on your nipple that is
like an extended nipple. So maybe sometimes your nipples aren't
I don't know. I guess the latch is too shallow.
They're not grabbing on. So if you're putting this silicon
which replicates a nipple, they're then sucking on that. It's
almost a bit dummy like, but it's on your nipple.

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So if you suck hard enough, the baby stuts hard enough,
they're then getting the milk out.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
I had no mean either. I thought it was just
to protection nipple.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
And no, no it's not. And it can be used
to protect your nipple. And I actually use that with
baby number two to protect my nipple as well. But
when you're trying to get a baby to latch and
you're trying to use a nipple shield and you're in
absolute ten out of ten pain, you can't just like
have a newborn and be out at the cafe and
just pop your baby on the boob. It's like really

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quite isolating. You're at home holding your breath for an
hour of the feed, crying essentially like it was. It
sounds dramatic, but it is dramatic if they're not latching,
and they're really their latch is basically giving you a
lot of pain.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, because there's also like if they're not feeding off
the breast, there's also risk of mastitis.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Yes, so I had a lot of mastitis, Like I've
had mustatis five times.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
A marstaitis is it's an infection that comes because the
milk is not coming out, so you start to get
blocked milk ducks. So it builds up and you get
this infection that often needs antibio to be able to clear.
But when you're breastfeeding, you don't really want to take
the antibiotics. Can you still breastfeed with the antibodox And

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I had to take it two out of the five
times because it was either antibiotics or you're going to hospital.
So it can get really severe and then eventually as
you go you kind of learn how to make sure
that it flows through and any early onset signs of
mastitis which is like real red marks which actually appear
on your breast. That is when you can see, okay,

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something's blocked. Let's try and get it out. So then
you'll go and have an appointment with like a woman's physio,
which I can't tell you how much money they took
of mine to help me breastfeed physias.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Problem. I'll just say it, yes.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
I guess. Bottom line, it's not. It doesn't come natural
to everyone, and it's really easy to throw in the
towel because it's a lot.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Of pain for anyone who hasn't experienced mastitis, mostly men
myself included.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Present Sho Cora. I've never had it, not yet. What
does that pain feel like?

Speaker 5 (15:04):
I thought after giving birth that I had that was it? Like?
There's no worse pain that a woman can experience. I
wouldn't say that mastatus is worse, but it's on part
like it's an infection in your boob. Even the wind
walking with wind kind of slightly moving your body or

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touching on your boob is like excruciating ten out of ten,
Like you have to walk around. I don't know if
this is a bit like graphic, but you have to
walk around holding your boobs when it gets so bad
because any movement. You're like screaming, Oh really yeah, it
can how long, well until the infection is released. So
I would spend like hours in the bath just trying

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to relieve the pain with hot water. It's a ten
out of ten pain. And I think it's really cruel
after a woman has gone through childbirth and then they're
taking care of this little baby and then wham bam,
you get my situs. It's really unfair.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Funk off, give me a break.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
I didn't know it was that painful. Like I knew
it was painful, but like far out.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
But if you get it when it's really early, then
of course it's not going to be as bad. But
if the infection really takes over your whole boob, and
I remember at once age I had it in both
boobs and then just imagine, well I don't know if
you can imagine, but then a baby trying to latch
on to your nipple with mass titus under your nipple. Nope,

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it's like you just cry while they're feeding, and then
the lead up to the feed, Okay, they're starting to cry,
they're going to need to eat now, Oh my god.
And I just remember looking at my husband he's like,
you can do it, you can do this. I don't
think I can. And my kids didn't take bottles, and
oh my god, the anxiety and the lead up and
then they'd latch and you'd just start crying. It was

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just the pain was like like nothing else, like on
par with pushing out.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Okay, I'm so sorry to any mum that is scared
of bestitis. But all I can say is look for
the early warning signs of any redness on your boob
or when you're starting to feel the pain. You've kind
of got to like squeeze it out in the shower.
But sometimes it doesn't work. Oh, this is hopeless, but
it's Yeah, if you can get it early, you should

(17:18):
be okay. But also it's unfair because the first time
mom has no idea what to look for. Yeah, like
what did I know about mustitis? And people like put
cabbage leaves on your boob, Like that does not work
if it's like a full grade infection. Yeah, caby, it
never worked for me. I tried everything.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
It was information men, probably cabbage on it.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Just someone at a fruit shop, some cabbage it's on sale.
It makes me want to almost when I'm at the
park and if a mom's breastfeeding just on the park bench, yep,
I want.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
To be like, you're so lucky.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
I feel that every time I see a new mum breastfeeding.
I was like, I wasn't at the park. I was
at home, like crying. And then my daughter, my second,
she completely broke my nipples like it was. I was
then pumping at three in the morning so that I
could then give her a bottle. But you didn't want
to take a bottle, and I was just trying to
pump to give her a break from my nipples, like

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what women go through. Like you think childbirth is enough. No, no,
then let's ruin your boobs and let's give you this
pain and then let's get mast idis.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
It's like a big pylon, isn't it really, Because I
mean there's already enough complications with the birth, and then
no matter what happens.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
There, you're regardless.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
You're in for this period of time of relentlessness.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Absolutely so, how do you get a good headspace? Then
if you're juggling the business, you're juggling little ones.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Even when you had your second, you've got two little
ones running around the house, which is difficult.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
You sleep deprived.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
You're feeling like a bit of a failure because you're
not doing what you always wanted to do, which is breastfeed.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
How do you get your headspace on the right track.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
I think it's just you just don't really have a choice,
you know, Like for me, I got through the breastfeeding journey.
I went on to breastfeed for quite a while because
it was like, I'm not giving up now, you know.
It took me three months with both kids to get
it right. But then breastfeeding actually becomes really easy once
you get it right, once they latch, it's so much
easier than bottles and formula and all the things. So

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that actually makes things easier once you get it right.
But I think you're in this fog and you don't
really You kind of have to laugh otherwise you cry
the intensity of it all. You're looking back, you kind
of laugh, like how did I do that? And people
always ask us like how did you release a book
with a newborn? And we're like, I have no idea,

(19:36):
Like I feel like I don't remember any of it.
I'm not sure what happened, and did.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
You prove read the book and go what the fuck?

Speaker 5 (19:45):
And I was actually like surprised with wow, like this
is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Was that the Lunchbox Bible?

Speaker 5 (19:50):
No, this was Baby Food Bible? Lunchbox Bible with the second.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, which I will say it's pretty thick. Yeah, And
like you did all that while having a second child,
and then you just said I don't really remember it.
It's like, well, having other kid, look at the size
of that thing.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
What was the first book?

Speaker 5 (20:05):
So we started working on Baby Food Bible when our
first babies were one, just after probably one. That's when
we were really feeding, starting solids. We'd been through the
first six months and we were really getting into our
groove and we realized like how no one knew what
they were doing. You know. For example, we were in

(20:26):
multiple mothers groups and the questions were all the same,
what are we doing? What are we feeding our baby today?
Is this good? Is that good? And as in someone
that had already studied nutrition, I was like, oh my god,
I'm overwhelmed with this because you're not the general nutrition degree.
You're not honing in on baby nutrition for longer than
I don't know, a couple of weeks. So people were

(20:47):
really confused, and we were confused, and we're like well,
we need to do something about this because there was
such a gap in the market. It's either like really
relaxed or really intense, and we didn't really like either
of those approaches. We wanted to find our own, so
laws she started studying baby nutrition. So with my nutrition

(21:08):
degree and her niche of baby nutrition together, we started
coming up with this really well rounded approach of what
we wanted to do with our babies, started sharing it
with our friends and our mother's groups, and started doing
it with our own children, and quickly realizing that we're
onto something. We're like, we've got this, we know what
we're doing now, and we're actually coming up with some

(21:29):
really cool recipes. And then, randomly on a walk one day,
because Los and I met when our babies were three
months old and we just became each other's people through
the trenches of you know, firstborn motherhood, we thought, should
we just write a book, Like, let's do a little
passion project, And we started putting all of our ideas together,

(21:51):
started coming up with all these recipes, and then we thought, well,
how are we going to sell this book? Well, like,
we should probably start an Instagram account. So of course,
we started an Instagram account and then started just sharing
all of the things we were doing and very quickly realized,
oh wow, people need this. Yeah, sure, Like this is
you've just come out of the fog six months of

(22:11):
newborn life, and now all of a sudden you've got
to start feeding this tiny human, which is very different
to how you feed yourself.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
We did a meal for Poppy. It was pretty simple.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
It was just like salt, potato, zucchini and it was
just like boiled up, blended and she fucking devoured it.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well she she is ten months.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
Oh great.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
And I did a story on Instagram being like, there's
no better feeling than when your baby eats the full bowl.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
And everyone was like, what was in that?

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Get me right now?

Speaker 5 (22:41):
They want to be told.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, I was like, whoa.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Because everyone goes through I just remember asked, we go
through that phase of let's try this, let's try that,
let's try this, which I guess works in it in
some capacity. But if you want it to be successful
and stick, I suppose you've got to have a plan, right.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Absolutely, can I ask those key timelines of I always
get surprised when you actually start.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
I was already pop, already come over here, off breast.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
When did you start?

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I think it was like six months? I think is that.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
She said that?

Speaker 5 (23:17):
That spot on in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
All right, so dad's if you're listening, that's the answer.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Write this down.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Can you give kind of key timelines? And I totally
appreciate that every child is different, but what are some
of those key milestone dates for newborns and introducing food?

Speaker 5 (23:34):
Okay, so there's a lot people might be listening and think, oh, no,
I disagree, But from our research and studies and experiences,
we believe there is no rush. So some people might
start at four months. Some pediatricians might say, oh, start
tolers at four months. Four months, they're little, they're not sitting,

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they have no head and net control. At four months old,
they're not necessarily interested in food. So those are some
real key signs you want to be looking for. And
you know, we want them to be able to sit
up on their own because we want them to be
able to digest their food accordingly as well. You know,
sitting four months, you're usually in like a little bouncer
or you're kind of reclined, and they're babies, Like, let's

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just enjoy the baby phase and the breast milk phase
or the formula phase, whatever you're choosing to do. Usually
all these readiness signs come around five to six months,
so I was very much six months on the nose
with both kids, even though one was maybe ready at
five and a half. I kind of waited because I'm like,
I'm feeding this kid for the rest of their life.

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Let's just enjoy the next few weeks of boob.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Because it's a mess, and specially it's a lot. It's
a mess, it's a lot.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
But I understand the excitement, especially as a new mum,
you get with, oh, it's time to start solids. Let's
just take a breath.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
And when they when you say, well, giving them a chop?
Yeah for six months?

Speaker 5 (24:57):
No you can what? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely. I gave my
second daughter, my second daughter. I gave my daughter to
my second child a chop a six months, so just
to suck on I guess absolutely absolutely not to start
a lamb chop. Yes, yes, we love lamb chop because
what they're doing is they're sucking out all the iron
rich juices, and iron is something is the most important

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thing we want to think about when starting solids, because
at six months, their iron stores deplete and they need
a huge amount of iron in their diet for healthy
development to thrive.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
So you're stuck on lamb chop.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
But I also know that there is a lot of
anxiety around things like giving them what we call baby
lead weating baby lead weening, which essentially is you know,
not pures. It's giving them pieces of food that they
can pick up. And there is a lot of anxiety
around that with choking, and I felt that with my first.
Of course, with my second was very different because I

(25:58):
knew a lot more than I did with my first.
But a lamb chop is probably the exception of baby
led weening in terms of that's something that's hard and
you know, especially when they're very young, that they're not
going to start taking bites out of yep. So we
kind of call it the squish test in general when
it comes to feeding kids, of if you can squish

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something between your fingers, you know that that's a safe
option to give your child.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Like a boiled characterstick.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
Yeah, exactly. So when it comes to the squish test,
you just want to make sure that the food that
you're offering can be squished in between your index and
thumb finger so if you're putting something in between your
fingers and you're not squishing it all the way down
to nothing, then I would avoid giving your child that
food whilst they're learning. I would always just make sure

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that you are choosing foods that squish down between your
index finger and your thumb so that they can then
chew it with their gums as opposed to trying to
swallow something that's hard that could get lodged. But yeah,
a lot of parents start with purets at six months,
which is a really nice, safe way to do it,
and you're giving them different pures to explore. Sometimes you

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can load up the spoon and give them the spoon
so they can practice taking it to their mouth. But
then eventually we do want to move on to baby
lead weaning for them to feed themselves, to be able
to develop those fine motor.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Skills and timing wise.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
By nine months, you really want them to be having
something baby lad weaning style in their day.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
I'm going to tell you what we're using for poppy. Yeah, great,
and you can tell me if I'm doing a stupid
thing or not.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Okay, we're just going to come out and say it.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
So nervous I.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Can't wait to hear this pasta.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Okay, spiral partner, Yeah, is that good?

Speaker 5 (27:51):
Continue spiral pasta yeah, full stop, yes, spiral yes, okay,
and she's ten months old.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yes, she loves it.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Okay, she loves it.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
That's pretty so you yeah, yeah, it's soft. Are we
talking about nutritional value? Are we talking about safety?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Wait? Did you do it el dente? Or did you
do it? Better? Be got through?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
She just devours it.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
So I'll give her some cure and that will be
some vegetables that have been boiled and blended up, and
then to finish it off, second course, I'll give her
like five little spirals of pasta and then she would
just like naur on that and really fat.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
Okay cool, yeah, no, that's absolutely fine. Can I give
you a tip please? Okay? Yeah, stop that. No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah, here's a tip. Just don't no, not at all.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
But this is what I love to do and what
we talk about a lot in our books of how
we can really amplify the nutrition when starting solid. So
a really good alternative still is spiral potentially and pasta,
but we look for like a pulse pasta. So because
they're not they haven't yet tried all these things. You're
giving them something and they're tasting it with any knowledge

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of if it tastes nice or just because you don't
like something. Don't let that be the thing that you're
kind of relaying on to them. So a pulse pasta
would be made out of legumes. So you've got a
chickpea pasta or a bean pasta or a lentil pasta
that they sell I need on spin in the major

(29:22):
like they're very accessible in the major supermarkets. Yes we
live in Sydney, but hoping that they are, they are
around a lot more than they used to be. I
think it's the most amazing food innovation. So you're still
giving them that pasta, but it's actually made out of
one hundred percent lentils or one hundred percent chickpeas. And
what is so good about that is that is rich

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in iron.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Because what's pasta got nothing?

Speaker 5 (29:45):
It's wheat, it's carbs, And that is absolutely fine if
they have a decent sized appetite and that's alongside something
that is iron rich. But whilst they're little, we don't
want to be loading them up too much on the
white refined carbohydrates because we want them to be taking
in as much iron rich food as possible.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Can I answer another question please.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
And this is not come from any research, it's kind
of just I feel like it's just a perception that
has been passed on to me that when you are
with a with like Poppy again ten months, when you're
creating these little recipes. So the one that Laura did
recently was the sweet potato potato and zucchini, I have
this feeling that you shouldn't try and do too much
sugary fruit like pear and apples, because you don't want

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them to get hooked on that sugar, the natural sugars.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
Yes, it really depends on the child's appetite. So if
they are hungry ten months old and they want all
the food, that's absolutely fine, and it is fine regardless
you're feeding your baby. But what we could do is
give them some of the more sour flavors or the
bigger flavors. For example, I'm going to use sardines as
an example. Well, my favorite.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
You went right, You're right to the end.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
Of this, okay, So do you guys like sardines?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I like sardines?

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yuck?

Speaker 5 (31:04):
So sorry, let's use let's use ash as an example.
You don't like sardines, would you then not feed your
baby sardines.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Right there, all out in the house.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
So maybe not a great example because they are quite stenchy,
but sardines is an amazing first food for babies. It's
got really big flavors. So instead of loading them up
on the you know, starchy calves or the fruit, the
sweet fruits, giving them big flavors is going to help
adapt their palette.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's either that or everything else is better than this, right,
So it's like this is the worst I'm going to eat.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Everything else is going to be much better than this.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Honestly, I projecting ash.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
That's just it works.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
Like kids, babies love sardines, and what you're getting in
that is something that's really iron rich and oily fish,
which is rich in to meg three and it's also
got the bones which are absolutely safe. They can they
passed the squish test and that's rich in calcium. So
they are like nutritional powerhouses.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Why is no one telling me.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
It's because you need a baby food Bible map there.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
It is, well, yeah, good, good.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Wowling skill set.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
But these types of foods, the big flavors, things like
sour kraut. Do you guys like sour kraut.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
On a Reuben? Yeah, well Reuben.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
So that's also another great example of a real sour flavor.
So we want it. Firstly, it's an amazing gut powerhouse
sour kraut. But it's really good to be able to
offer them these sowery foods and not just the sweet flavors.
So I think my biggest tip here is just because
you don't love a food, don't let that stop you
from giving it to your baby.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
I had this mindset of just vegetable boil blend, that's it, sunning,
that's it. I feel like I'm going to do this.
I mean to go to the show by a sardine, by
a chop, give it to probably for dinner tonight, and
Laura's gonna be like, what are you doing?

Speaker 5 (33:05):
Going to be like, oh God, Things like like tin
fish can be your best friend. Super affordable wild cought
and that's a really great baby lad weening thing as
well as you can pure it. But that's super soft
and safe for them to eat, so you just put
them on the plate. Wild caught salmon.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oysters, no honey.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
Though, no, no, honey before twelve months.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Talk to was about that, because I do remember, like
I've been WinCE, I've had a baby. Okay, so well
my wife's had a baby and I was co parenting
with it.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Well said, anyway, thank you, honey. What's the what's what's
the deal.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
Have you heard of the word botulism?

Speaker 3 (33:44):
I have? I have? So you have no botulism like
a salmonella type thing.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
Yeah, so it can be present in honey, which is
let me just preface, it is so incredibly rare. But
we don't want to take chances with our babies because
if they contracted it, they could get very sick and
it could be fatal. So we want to try and
stay away from honey before twelve months. But let me
also say that we don't really want to be giving
them added sugars before twelve months anyway. This is this

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window of opportunity where we can be giving them the
most nutritious food, big flavors, because they've never tried ice
cream before. Hopefully not.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I feel like I was stuffed up here.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
There's no stuffing up right.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Damned no one of my kids eating nothing but corn thins, Like.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
You only know what you know. So that's why we're
kind of here to try and educate because we get it.
Like if I hadn't studied, I would have no idea
if we hadn't gone down this rabbit hole. So hopefully
people listening will think, Okay, firstly we'll buy baby food
Bible and secondly.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
No, please, I'm like pitch it.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
But yeah, it's just about thinking when you are young
and a baby. The biggest tips I can give is
iron rich, don't go for the added sugars, try to
reduce those real sweet foods. Fruit is absolutely fine alongside
an iron rich diet. Fruit has so many amazing nutrients.
But I wouldn't be starting on going crazy with the fruit.
This is especially when they have tiny little appetites. They're

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tummies are tiny, so we don't want to be loading
that little tummy with things that aren't going to be
super beneficial in terms of like iron rich foods.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Just a lambshank, I I suppose they would just suck.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
On it really at the end of the day, Yeah,
absolutely so, I think. You know, sometimes I remember with
my daughter, when I saw that she started actually trying
to take pieces out of it. That's when I stopped
giving her the lamb shank, and that's when it really
takes into affect the squish test. So it's also you
have to feed your baby what you feel comfortable doing.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
What are your.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Top three foods for a baby under twelve months?

Speaker 5 (35:55):
I love egg. Egg is rich in colon, scramble anything.
Egg is super soft, so scramble it up. It takes
like one minute, or give them a little omelet cut
it up for them, and it's a really great baby
led weaning form. So egg is great, rich and colon,
great for brain development. Slow cooked meats, so if we're
talking outside of our lamb chop, which you know I love,

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slow cooked meats are great. Or bolonnaise. Bolonnaise is great
for pureeing as well as I actually used to stuff
things like bolonnaise or sour kraut or bone broth into
one of those mesh feeders and give it to my
kids so that they're practicing that hole developing their fine
motor skills. Worked really well. I love one of them.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Mesh feeder can be messy, though, but you.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Know what, like starting solids is messy, Yeah, I feel
like it's a part of the contains it's part of
the fun though.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I remember Oscar we us trying foods with him and
that was really fun. I know it was messy in
a bit of a nightmare, but if you go into
it thinking this is all like all.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
A bit of fun, then the mess isn't that.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Let's give her a lot.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
But the thing is to say to that point is
it's really important for their development and they're learning to
actually create mess and immerse their hands, their tiny little
hands in all these different textures. So don't be that parent.
And if you have been, that's absolutely okay because we've
all done things that we didn't know any better for.

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But don't have like a wipe or a rag where
every bite they take, don't clean up after them. Let
them get messy. Get yourself a catchy.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
I had a catchy actually.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
Because that actually promotes like, you know, just let it fallward,
let them throw it and kind of just you know,
I guess contained.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Catchy or a dog.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Absolutely, yep, you don't need both one or the other.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
And it is that.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
And what's the third food?

Speaker 5 (37:47):
Okay, Sardine's is my number one pick, to.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Be honest, I can't wait to see Poppy try and
I can't wait to give it one, but.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
Honestly, Sardin's tin salmon as well, things like that beautiful mackerel.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Fish longers. I'm going to come home and got fish
hanging up down the hallway. Yeah, that one's dry now,
it's poppies for later.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Let's talk about when the kids are a little bit older.
What are your kids like with food?

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Ash fussy?

Speaker 1 (38:12):
They go through both of them, yeah, but at different phases.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Like I know Macy, I was always like, she's my eater,
but now she's just trolling me.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I reckon and she's realistically not eating anything, like it's
such a struggle.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
She actually ate some curry last night when I wasn't there.
That's what makes me feel.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
Yeah, big flavors, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
But like but a chicken. What was it?

Speaker 3 (38:35):
I don't know. I think it was one of those
Marley Spoon curries. I wasn't I was absent for that one.
That's why she ate it.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
But yeah, I think both both kids are pretty fussy.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Okay, getting better now he's sort of getting older and
they do.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
They do grow out of it, and it's very normal
to have fussy eaters at some stage of their life.
Some kids hit it at eighteen months that can be
really popular to start going through. They're kind of like
they've got this newfound independence and they're like, I don't
have to have that. I'm not going to have it.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
We might be moving out if that's the case.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
So yes, from eighteen months they can have a real
fussy streak and it's really frustrating for parents. And I've
been there with one of my two children, and I've
done everything the same way as I did with with
my son with my daughter, but she's just a different
type of girl.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
She's such a dick, so give me the Saturday.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
She actually loved. Both My kids love sardines, but that's
because I've been shoving them down their throats since day
dot and I love sardines. So it's a whole nother
like run to the family. It does, But there's this
whole idea of monkey see, monkey do, because how can
we expect our kids to love this food that they're
not really seeing you enjoy? And sometimes they do, but
it's really helpful. It's a really good tip. If like

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I find when I'm eating a carrot, that's the one
time my daughter will then eat a carrot. Otherwise she's
not interested in carrots, but she wants what we have. Yeah,
so try and model that behavior.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
My kids won't eat hot chips. Oh no, yes, see
now you feel my pain.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
They call you on my level. It's like if in doubt,
give the old chip. Nope, no, no.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
They won't eat pizza, which again, bread, butter, bread sauce.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
They have veggiemi toe, they don't have butter.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
They don't have butter.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
They won't have butter, no.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Lurpack, no nutlegs, no butter, nothing.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
And it's like they want vegim child.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
They're broken.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
You're right, they're broken, but they're.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Like, you know what, they're probably like hoping for chocolate sardines.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
I reckon someone's going to have to come to your
house and.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Do it for Yeah, I'm not doing it, but my
mom's into sardines.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Yes, I'll message skips the generation I heard in my family.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
But yes, fussy eating very common.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
I don't know what your opinion on this is, but
like Lola, for example, very often she can go long periods.
She's like a bear in winter.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
She just won't eat.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
She'll have a little nibble on something for lunch, but
then dinner she'll have a mouth and go I'm not hungry.
And I know some people have the opinion that, hey,
you're going to listen to your child's cues. If they're
not wanting to eat, you don't force them. But I'm like,
then she's just not eating anything since breakfast?

Speaker 5 (41:22):
Has she had a big breakfast?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
You have a little bowl of porridge?

Speaker 5 (41:25):
Okay? And is that it?

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:27):
And then she'll have some unless she's like hiding snacks somewhere.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Probably yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
But she just so I have to then like follow
her around with the bowl and spoon to be like
just you know, And then I'm thinking of hard one.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Am I that she's got you sort of that she like?
The thing is I think she's just manipulating you now.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Yeah, because I'm like, am I setting up a really
bad system here where she's expecting shell only eat when
I'm hand feeding her?

Speaker 5 (41:53):
Yeah? A few things on that. Firstly, it's okay if
their favorite and biggest meal at the days breakfast, great.
That is like the most important for kids because that
sets them up to be able to concentrate. If you
send them off to school and they haven't eaten, Think
about us when we haven't eaten. We're hungry, so your
kids are going to be hungry. It's like filling up
a car with you know, if you've got no petrol,

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it's going to start slowing down and eventually stop. Breakfast
I think is load them up, especially if that's their
hungriest time of day. So you could do things like
load up those oats that you're giving. You could and
you're probably going to be like, oh my god, what
you could stir an egg in those oats just before
they're ready.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
You've lost your models.

Speaker 5 (42:34):
No, no, god, no, hear me out. It makes it
creamy and it adds protein.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
So just like crack the egg in the warm the
hot o don't show it.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
You're doing that like.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
A minute or two before it's ready. Crack an egg in,
stir it around, and eventually you won't even see it.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Okay, that's bold.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
It's you doing it, Maddie. Just try it before mocking it.
Because I do it with my kids all the time.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I'm going to trust you.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
Yeah. So when you're mixing an egg through the oats,
it's actually making this really yummy, creamy custard taste. It's
not tasting like eggs, especially if you're adding a little
bit of cinnamon. It is really it's actually quite sweet.
So it's a really really good way to be able
to give them eggs even if they're not actually eating
the eggs in their whole form, and adding protein and

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colleen to that bowl and then loading up that porridge.
So let's get some nut butter in there, so like
some peanut butter, for example, Let's get some hemp seeds
in there. Things that are going to actually help bulk
out that meal, add some more protein, because oats is
a source of protein, but not a strong source of protein,
So you want to start bulking that up so that

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that's going to actually last a bit longer in her stomach.
So you can just feel a little bit more at ease, like, Okay,
you've had a really awesome breakfast. That's okay if you're
maybe not hungry at lunch, but yes, that's not going
to sustain her all day. And then it's about finding
the right type of snacks throughout the day if not
a really good dinner, strong dinner that she might like.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
What are your thoughts on dessert?

Speaker 5 (44:05):
Have they eaten dinner? Are they just having dessert?

Speaker 4 (44:08):
We're pretty good, I don't know, you're like, ash, we
don't give them crazy big bowls, But if they don't
finish their if they don't have a decent attack of
the meal, we won't reward them. And people are going
to come for me because people don't reward your child
for eating the food, but I do.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
I reward myself, so like fuck, Like the poor thing's like,
you're gonna eat all that, You're not going to get anything,
and it's just gonna make it worse for me. Like
I won't say eat the whole thing. If they do,
I'm like, man, good for you, you know, like a
bit of praise. But if they don't attack it at
all in any way, shape or form, then they don't.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
They know not to even ask.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
Yeah, it's a really hard one because if I were
to say the answer based on psychology, we don't want
to be rewarding them, right, So we don't want to
say you have to eat your dinner and then you
can have dessert.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
That's exactly what I say.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
My house.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
I would say that ninety nine point nine percent of
the population would do the same thing. So I get it,
And to be honest, I would have if I hadn't
learned all these you know tips. It's not just nutrition,
it's the psychology behind feeding, and it's really quite complex.
But at the same time, whilst I say that, you
also don't want to then let them get away with

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not having dinner and their dinner is a bowl of ice.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Cream, oh, never in front of them.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
So I think dessert is okay if they are having
a decent dinner and some good nutrition throughout the day.
But if they're relying on that dessert as their dinner,
then I would say it's probably time to take that
dessert away or drop it down and slowly phase it out.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I really want to come to your house for dinner.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
By the way, what are you going to get some sardines?

Speaker 5 (45:56):
It's chaos, Like my son will sydneyat but my daughter okay,
because she doesn't sit, We struggle to sit. So it's
you know, might take her like forty five minutes to
come to the table and eat her dinner.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
So do you have the rule of like you'll let
her kind of wander around and eat a chopping hair?

Speaker 5 (46:13):
I have no choice because she is so defiant. I've
always been like, come and sit down, but she won't
listen to me, and some people be listening and be like,
come on, be stricter. Yeah, I can't with her, you know,
she's just that type of person. Yeah, So I try, guys,
I try, And let me tell you, I'm not perfect

(46:33):
one bit and I know what i should be doing.
Does that always translate? Absolutely not, because I'm just a
mom trying her best. I find it really hard to
feed her. She eats like a bird versus my son
is like this thick, chunky eater.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
I want two of those.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
So when my second came along and she's like, I
don't want to start solid six months or seven, maybe
at eight months something, you know, she's it was tough.
Every child is just completely different. Some are going to
be fussy, some aren't. But just on this whole fussy concept,
what we want to try and avoid is labeling them

(47:13):
fussy eating fussy eaters, because it's so easy to say,
and I totally get it. I've said it behind my
kids back. Of course, it's like they, Noah, my three
year old girl is a fussier eater. But the second
we start, I've seen parents saying it in front of
their kids' faces, like, oh, he's really fussy. He won't
eat that.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Oh, of course they're not going to eat it. Yeah,
they're not told them they're not going to eat it.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
You've told them they're a fussy eater. They're taking on
this persona, and then you're also going to stop offering
that food. But my biggest mantra that I would say
I repeat daily to someone what is how can we
expect our child to eat something that we're not offering.
So we might be like, Okay, our kid is eating
five foods at the moment. It's pasta, it's rice, it's toast,

(48:00):
whatever else is beige guilty, Yeah right, And I get it.
Kids can be like that. But what we want to
try and avoid is only offering those foods, because then
how can we expect them to try that broccoli again
if they're never offered it, it's not on their plate,
it's not in their world. So it's a fine line.
You know, you want to try and still offer it,

(48:21):
but alongside their safe foods, so they're safe foods might
be rice. Maybe we could add some bone broth concentrate
when we're cooking that rice, just to bulk up the
nutrients a little bit.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
So you're still like cucumber the savior of all meals.
She's like, put some cucumber on it, and then come
back and make eat the cucumber only. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
So it's you're still offering the safe foods, but you're
also giving them an opportunity to come around. So like,
for example, my fussier, I'm.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Going against ye, she's not going to listen.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
I hope she rejected broccoli for ages. And then I
kind of stopped offering it once again not perfect, I
know better, but you know, I'm still human. And then
one day I was like, oh god, I haven't offered
brocoli in months. And then part of me is like,
they're not going to eat it. But then I'm like, no,
stop stop thinking that I made broccoli. I put it down.
What happened My husband and I were sitting at the table,

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which is always super helpful. Monkey see monkey do we're
eating the broccoli it with them as much as we
can every day.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
No, I'll be honest, I don't read my book.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
It's about it's all about that.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Give a book.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
It's a book exactly about that.

Speaker 5 (49:33):
It's really helpful because they're seeing you eat and enjoy
the foods. So I was like, oh, this broccoli is
so crunchy, looks like a tree.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Very good, clever.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
What did Noah do?

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Tree?

Speaker 5 (49:46):
And she licked it and then she took a bite
and that was like the biggest win. And of course
I had a poker face and I did not say
don't say good girl, because they're like, what are you doing?
Like is this because being a good girl, I'm not
going to keep going Yes, right, So poker face all
the way and just put it there. Don't say try

(50:07):
your broccoli, just one more bite. We want to try
if we can catch ourselves before we start talking about
try it, because that's putting pressure on them. And just
leave it there. Everyone does you are like also once
again ninety nine percent of the population. But now that
we know, maybe we just put it there without pressure.
Super helpful.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
There's so much I need to try.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
And sorry, overwhelming.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
This next part of the podcast is actually making me
a little bit nervous. Oh no, if I'm being honest. Now,
Ash and myself we have children that are at school.
We both make our lunchboxes and their lunchboxes they're lunchboxes.
We have brought in our lunchboxes.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
For you to judge.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
God when you go first.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
Oh, I'm excited and nervous at the same time.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
You go first first.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
Okay, wait, how honest can I be? That's the question?

Speaker 4 (51:02):
I want you to be brutally honest. Okay, Well, because
you're with ash first, yeah, oh.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Yeah, and then on him in salt. No, you're that's okay.
This is Oscar's little Bento lunch box.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
Is that like? Wait, Oscar seven?

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (51:20):
Is that a whole day?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
This is not a whole day. This is the main lunch.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Okay, talk me through what's in there.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
We have a vegemite sandwich, no butter, okay, crusty.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
I'm ashamed. I'm ashamed of that.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
That's okay.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
We have we have a little half packet of those
mini shapes. Yeah, I may have had a feeling. And
then we've got two servings of fruit. We've got apple.
Of course it goes brown ish, but he still eats
it and strawberries.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
Okay, can I can? I start with the best tip
that will change your life. So to avoid apples going brown,
all you need to do, once you've cut your apples up,
with them in a bowl with water and salt for
ten minutes, dry them off, wash off the salt and they.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Stay, we'll be late for school if you do that,
do it the night before.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
I don't forget. Write it down.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
Well, this is for everyone else that wants to avoid
the apples going brown. It's like the best hack ever.
They just stay beautiful and pristine. Yeah that sucks, okay,
so maybe try it. So do you want me to
tell you my thoughts on the lunch box?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (52:32):
Okay. So firstly, the first thing that I'm not seeing
and here is protein. Now, protein is essential throughout the
day to help them concentrate, super important. So if we
think about how we are throughout the day without any protein,
you can start to kind of get a bit brain

(52:53):
foggy and lose your concentration. And they're supposed to sit
in a classroom all day. It's a lot of brain power.
Need to give them brain food.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Also, Oscar is very active.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
Does he like cheese? No cheese? Okay, that's absolutely fine.
To have apples and strawberries.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
No vegetables, not in this particular case.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Okay, would he eat vegetables?

Speaker 3 (53:15):
HELLI carrot, great chuck of carrot. Yeah, sometimes there's.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Some carrot and maybe in his morning tea they might
be carrots and.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Her day you do you know in there?

Speaker 5 (53:28):
But there is a lot of a lot of protein options.
Would he eat like a meat stick?

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (53:33):
Great? Add that in there? Great? Okay, add a meat
stick in there are some really good brands out there
that are like grass fed meat sticks that are actually
you will hit their protein requirements for the day. Okay,
So that would be a really great addition. There are
lots of other tips to be able to get protein
in there. But I would say if you know that
he would eat that, do you guys ever make granola
in your house?

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, he probably eat that.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
Okay. So what we do is, and that's recipes in
our book, is we blend granola with coconut oil and
it makes a really great nut free spread. So, because
of course your school probably be able to have peanut butter,
you could put like a granola butter in there. I
would just I would really like to see that being
filled out with a little bit of substance in the sandwich.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Okay, would you give him out of ten?

Speaker 5 (54:20):
I can't?

Speaker 3 (54:21):
You can and you will?

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Oh no?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Five?

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Wow? Wow? Okay, okay, five.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
Yeah, it's a pass. Yeah exactly. You're feeding your child
you're giving he'll eat.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Yeah, brutal. I know you're not going through to the
next stage.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
Five's okay, I'll take that, Honestly, I'm not because at
the end of the day, it's this whole fed is best, right,
and you've put thought into it and you can see
that it's just about trying to bolt it up a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
It's definitely eating more protein at night.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Okay, how about for breakfast.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
For breakfast he'll have I mean they have a smoothie
with mom in the morning, right which has got yogurt
and some fruit and stuff nothing, it's not crazy, and
then he might have some cereal or something or some toasts.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
On how he's feeling, okay, So if he that is okay.
If he's having good protein source at night, it is
important because he's off to school o day that he
is getting it before dinner as well, just to help
him throughout the day. And it also satiates him so
he will feel fuller for longer if there's a source
of protein in there. So if you can get that
protein into breakfast, yeah, then already that's a win. Okay,

(55:35):
all right, lots of ideas of how to get more
protein into a lunchbox and that is literally what lunchbox
Bible is.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Okay, you're up this morning.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
We got up very early because Marley has dance and
Laura was like, oh god, what's his for?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
And I was like, well, we're going to be judged
on the lunch and.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
She was like, put something else in there. And I
do want to say that I boiled the egg and
I forgot to put it in there.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Me too.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
Do you really though, because that is an amazing.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Editions such a lie?

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Can I say a lamptop?

Speaker 5 (56:15):
It's all well and good to put an egg in there,
but if your child's not going to eat it, lunchbox
is not really the time to be exploring, especially.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Beautiful lunch, massive lunch.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Okay, here we go.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
Oh wow, wow, Okay, this excites me.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
I'm sorry, fuck off, seriously, this is a g O.
What do you mean that's really that you didn't make that?

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I made that?

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Okay, so well he cheat it, so I will, Okay,
I will explain what's in here.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
We have some banana bread homemade.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
Really?

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, I feel like I've been trolls.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
But I also I also I cheat because my mum
lives with us, oh, okay, so she made and so
she she makes the banana bread and she also makes
the kishas.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Wow, it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
They're like I feel ripped off.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
And we've got some carrot and some cucumber. We've got
some grapes and some blueberries. Too many kishas with ham,
some pretzels, a meat stick.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
And I felt stuffy for sure.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
There's no way this.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
Is the meat stick I was talking about. They're really great.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Not all meat sticks, a source of protein.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
We love Koy the brand. It's delicious and it's available
the major supermarket.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
The petrol station.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Oh wow, get it from the petrol station. Ridden all
over it, but we got in there far.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
The petrol stations have come.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
We've got some pretz kids love pretzels, and I got
a ham sandwich.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
And you've got a little coja bite.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Yeah, a little love coja.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
Too good. They're amazing.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Feel stitched up? Okay, what have you done? You really
made me look bad?

Speaker 2 (58:15):
I did nothing you've done to yourself?

Speaker 5 (58:18):
Really, this is amazing. Okay, sorry, but I'm very I'm
so impressed. Can you tell me what type of bread
it is?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Helga's whole meal? Okay, whole meal.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
So I would say, okay, so let's just we've got
our protein. We've got the ham. Okay, we've got egg
as well, which is protein. We've got our fruits and
our veggies. We've got a nice little treat. Oh we've
got more protein with the meat stick. We've got banana

(58:48):
bread which is sweet. The musley bar is Really it's
a much better option if you're looking at the supermarkets,
that's the one that I would definitely buy. It's got
less sugar, but it's also got less additives, so we
want to try and reduce. There are a lot of
things that we can buy from the supermarket that are
better for you.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Don't you think it's a bit much.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
I think it's just like outstanding. Really, I'm so impressed.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Really sorry, Oh my gosh, could it be overwhelming?

Speaker 5 (59:13):
Nope, Okay, I tell you the answer to that. It
all depends if the child's going to eat it or not.
So it's this whole feedback loop. So you're going to
pack this lovely, robust lunch box, and if it's going
to come home and it's not eaten, then it doesn't
matter how beautiful it looks. It's not really doing that.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
That's why exactly why mine's like that.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
So if Marley would Marley eat everything in that or everything,
But I mean.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Depends, sometimes you will, other times changes every day.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
It's nice to have options. I guess.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
I will be honest, and I was kind of go every.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Day you're telling me that, and I'm going to get
to the bottom of this because it's very out of
very out of.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Context for your personality. Whoa every day she gets this.
I'm not attacking, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
So I forced none of it to make a caishe yesterday?

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Have you used this up for this?

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I would say the keishas aren't normally there, but the
egg would be there. If the keisha is not there.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
Okay, if my attacked me because I did, there's a
line of questioning, not on an attack. So it's not
about if the lunchbox comes home completely empty, because some
days your child's going to be hungrier than other days, right,
So what I do, For example, for my three year old,
the lunchbox comes home usually a quarter full. She doesn't
eat much at school, but then I'll re offer it

(01:00:34):
after school. Instead of her saying I'm hungry, I'm like, oh, okay,
let's have a look at your lunchbox you didn't need
anything or not much, and then more often than not,
she will eat the majority of what is in that lunchbox.
So I'm not having to firstly waste the food, which
kills my soul, and I'm not having to then go
and make a whole bunch of other food where it's
just perfectly good food sitting there. So reoffer firstly if

(01:00:58):
it's coming home full, but also if it's coming home full,
maybe it is overwhelming for them, but if they're eating majority,
then that's an amazing lunch box.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
I will also say that today's a big day for
Maley because she's a dance from seven thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
She doesn't have a lunchbox toe and so she's like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Well the fuck is yeah, So she just dances and
so she has she's a little nibble. Then before school starts.
They also then after school care until like four thirty
four to forty five, so they'll also then have like
another snack, so that that's going to last her a week.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
That's impressive.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
It was a really good effort, Maddie. That's like an
amazing but I thank you. I want to say that
some kids would never even get through all of that like,
my son would demolish that. My daughter wouldn't. It would
touch side. So you have to know your child and
kind of see what comes back every day and then
act accordingly. Right, make those changes. You don't want to
overwhelm them, so pull it back. But if they're every

(01:01:55):
day you're opening up the lunchbox at the end of
the day and it's completely empty, maybe then you need
to increase the food that's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Going to cost you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Like a great segment.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
I'm glad, you're glad, you're happy about it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
We put our lunchboxes on Instagram a lot, like on
our stories every day. Yeah too, that's what we do.
We make lunchboxes and a lot of people are like, wow,
George eats so much food. My child wouldn't eat half
of that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Honestly, he wouldn't even eat all that. I want a rating.
We already know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
We don't have to if you don't want to rate it,
but if you do, I want to say ten out
of ten, fuck off.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
There is definitely room for improvement.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
Maybe okay, maybe nine point five.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
I don't listen to ash sick with gun.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
No, that's it's an awesome effort, especially.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
If that you for cockiness.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Laura is going to be so happy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
That's that's good.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
It's the better for you snaps from the supermarket, which
I'm really big on. You know, there's a lot of
noise at the supermarket. Marketing gets people very confused. But
those two snacks, the coach of Bar and the Cooper
are really better options.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
I'm buzzing right now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
You are glowing.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
Well, Laura.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
No, I forget about Lura.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
And again, yours is a group and a team, like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
You said Feba, I know he'll at least have a
crack at that and won't be a cranky shit when
he gets time.

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
Yeah, and once again, if you give a really good breakfast,
then that is okay, and then he's got his protein
at dinner as well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
A the time he's playing soccer at lunch and never eats.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
I don't want to shit on my mum here. Actually no,
it's more my fault, I think. So when we got
to high school, that's when we had to make our
own lunch, right, And when you're asking a fourteen year
old boy, fifteen year old boy to make his own lunch,
especially a young boy like myself who's very lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I used to have just a jam roll and a
pack of chips every day pretty much from my whole
high school. I remember there was I made of mind.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
His mum was a stat home mum and she would
make this like manated chicken with semi sun dried tomatoes sandwiches,
and I'd be like, oh, it must be nice. And
I was just sitting there because my mum was a
single mom of five kids, so she'd have time to
make lunches for everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
I'm like, man, how.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
Did I you survive, Maddia.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
I survived. Yeah, honestly, did you eat it every day?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Yeah, sandwich?

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
If it makes you feel better, I absolutely was the same.
I had a white sandwich with vegi mite and an apple,
a glad rap bag or a little brown That was
the nineties or we're talking two thousands by.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
This day, late nineties, and that was just.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
That was the way. And you know, we're all okay,
but we're about like kids these days are really struggling
to sit and focus. And we also now know so
much more about nutrition, so it's like, well, we know
all these things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
I mean, there's always room for improvement.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
Because I did get the nine point five downgraded from
the ten, Ash, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Is there's going to hear the end of this? Is
there anything you think I'm missing?

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
Is?

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
What do you think I could add to really solidify
the ten out of ten?

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Probably some humbleness would be great.

Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
Well, okay, So I've got a few recipes that I
brought today that helps to pack in nutrition to recipes
that your kids will actually eat.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
I can't help it. Notice you've got some chocolate looking muffins.

Speaker 5 (01:05:12):
So what do you think of the smells good? So
I'm talking through these muffins because these are such a
winner to put in a lunch box and they go
like within a day with my whole family, my husband, myself,
and my kids.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Hand it over.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
Now there we go. Just know when you're biting into it,
we're not eating a sugar filled muffin. So what is
in this is white beans, zucchini, spinach, tahini as the
main ingredients. Do you like it? What do you think? Ash? So?

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
What iey?

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
What do you got? So? What's so good about this?
A lot of the things that we bake we try
to pack in as much nutrition as we can because
we know there are kids out there that might not
eat white beans. In a bolt, we totally get that,
or spinach or zucchini. So all the recipes that we create,
a lot of the baking, we really pack it in

(01:06:17):
so that even if ash there's no protein obvious protein
in your lunchbox. If you made these muffins and put
half of them in the freezer every morning, it is
a whip it straight out of the freezer into the
lunch box. You know that they're getting some protein because
there's white beans in there. So a lot of our
recipes actually are. We love adding legumes because you really can't.

(01:06:39):
It's not a strong taste, and legumes are a great
source of fiber and protein and even iron. So adding
it into these regular muffins, disguising it with some chocolate,
the kids will eat it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Genius.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
My kids absolutely go crazy for these.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
And these items are all in the Lunchbox Bible.

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
All in a lunchbox Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Can I ask, this is Nola's spread?

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
Yeah, So we love the Okay, So we're all about
trying to work smarter, not harder, because we're parents and
we're time poor. So we love granola and so do
our kids. So we've made what we call in the
book sprinkles. It is granola packed with seeds and oats
and coconut and all the good things. And what we

(01:07:21):
do is we add it to a blender with coconut oil.
And what you've created, please, guys, go for it. What
you've created is a nut free spread that you can
add onto a sandwich. Oh do you like it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Those fucking delic wow ash that good?

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
Okay? And if you if you need it, it's sweeter,
you can go sweeter.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
But this is got a little anzac chaughter taste.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
Yeah, because it is. It's those it's the oats, the
bakedough sorry, the roasted oats. So that's a really good
option instead of a nut butter because we can't send
it to school and potentially placing a vegemite or just
a butter sandwich. So you're getting all the goods in
that spread.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
I love it. And the last item here looked like
almost little lasagna kishas.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
Yeah, okay, they're not so esthetically pleasing, No, they're beautiful.
This is utilizing last night's leftover spaghetti and bolonnaise that
maybe you've served up to your family, mixing it with
an egg and some cheese, and then baking it into
little muffin molds. So instead of having to deal with
spaghetti bolcinnaies in a lunch box, you've got a little

(01:08:30):
muffin that a kid can eat with their hands that's
actually still ticking all the boxes. You've got your cards,
your protein, and it's rich in iron.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
And we're actually gonna we're going to make these.

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
Oh great.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
We're going to do it as a separate video, so
if you do want to jump on our socials, keep
an eye out for this recipe. What do you call
this recipe?

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
It's the pasta muffins.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Muffins. Yeah, because these are great. My kids will love these.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
And also these are really good to freeze as well,
so even when you're getting home late and you don't
have time to make this elaborate dinner, you can just
take them out of the freezer. It heat it up,
and you've got spigetti bolonnais, but in a really easy
to eat form.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
I love that we're getting fed during this as well.
It was my favorite part. Juells, thank you so much.
Hey guys, I can't wait to just like I give
my child's sudeins and chop.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
I wait for Poppy to have sardans, but.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
Just to mix up some of the items, like the
lunchbox that I give Marley and Lola that is rens
and repeat every day.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Imagine how my kids feel.

Speaker 5 (01:09:35):
But I just want to say, Maddie, that's okay. Like,
if that works, it's a great, well rounded lunch box.
It's not about trying a whole new lunch box every
day or every week. Just swapping out a few things.
Maybe you swap out the veggies you're giving them, or
the fruit you're giving them, or how you're presenting something.
You know, if something works, great, we want them to
eat it. That's the most important thing. But yeah, there's
lots of awesome ways that we can add in some

(01:09:58):
really good stuff that they might not in their whole form.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
I wish you were my mum.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
I wish I was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Thank you so much, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Thanks appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
I can't believe you. Go on, I can't believe it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:11):
Go on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
You know, there, I am getting rewarded.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
For all of my efforts this morning, for my impeccable
lunch ten out of ten And you're like, hang on
a second, No one's perfect. Maybe get a nine point five,
you prick.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Look, let's she's not here.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
You didn't make that lunch, did you?

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
It was Laura because mine was April.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Actually comment you know it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
The other week I was like, we don't get any
bloody reviews on Apple podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
It's been months.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
There must have been some kind of technical glitch because
the other morning I woke up and I had a
little skim over and it was like I just dug
in the backyard. All of a sudden, oil was spilling out.
I Struck's old ash hundreds.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
That's amazing of reviews that come through that happens. I
don't know. Apple, if you're listening, I can get your
act together so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
You're making us work for these reviews. Also, you can
join us on social media Matt.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
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the boomers and TikTok. There's also it's on YouTube on YouTube,
and if you want to get your hands on the
book that was written by Jewels, you can do that.
We'll put the details in the show notes because let's
be honest, I have learned more in this conversation than

(01:11:33):
I have in the seven years of being a parent.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Facts Goodbye Later.

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