#Ep 248 Don't Tell Him To Stop Drinking

This week the guys are going against everything they've ever promised, diving headfirst into your parenting dilemmas... with a sprinkle of advice for the Doters.

💥 Does moving away from your best mate mean the friendship is destined for the group chat graveyard?

🚸 What age should kids be allowed to walk to school on their own?

🍺 And how on earth do you tell your partner it's time to ease up on the booze... without it backfiring?

As always, Ash has some seriously good advice that every couple could take something from.

Plus, Matt shares a worrying update after Buster is rushed in for emergency surgery.

And if you're wondering why Matt's wearing a very special T-shirt, it's for Frankie, the daughter of one of our favourite guests, Jackson.

The shirts are raising money to support children living with cerebral palsy. If you'd like to help out (and score a great tee), you can grab one here.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I got a question for you. Hit me when you shower?
Exhaust fan on or off? All the time?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Always on? Always on?

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Because I didn't know this?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
What that?

Speaker 3 (00:09):
What else is there for the biggest argument in my
household is because Laura turns the water to molten lava.
And especially now because it's winter, you open the door
and you can't see anything.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's like a smoke.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
That's how I want it.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
But then the cabinet tree like absorbs. The cabinet tree
is dying.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, I was just I thought the exhaust was just
for poops only.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
What Yeah, but you're a trade you know.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm not a I'm not a plumber or an electrician
or in an.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Ash So what do you like? Who's pulled you up?
My wife?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Like you know April? April did because the ceiling was moldy.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
That's the problem. Okay, hang on.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Welcome back to two Dating Dads. I'm Maddie J And
I'm Ash And this is.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
A podcast all about parenting. It is the good, it
is the bad.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Relatable and Ash, you're trying to kill your family with
this mold.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Honestly, I didn't know it was a I had to
have it. I thought it was a choice.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
How old are you thirty six this year? So what
do you be your whole life? Yeah, only you've exclusively
used the exhaust fan for the poops.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Think of how many bathrooms I've ruined.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
I don't want to think about that.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Honestly. I was like, it's my choice, the fan horor
off should be up to me.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Do you know what I shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I shouldn't attack you for not knowing something which maybe
simple to other people.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
You know you've learned.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm not going to change, well.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
For God's sake.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
No, I still think it's got to be consensual.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's like, you know what this is. It's like, you're
a smoker, okay, and I'd.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Love to see you right now.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
And someone goes, hey, actually smoking gives your cancer every weight.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
It's not healthy like they said it was.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
And you're like, I'm not changing for anyone. You were
you're putting mold in the house of your family.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, they're cleaners, clean it right up. I just thought
it was a choice. I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, it's not a choice.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay, all right, but it's not as cozy in winter
some I couldn't care less. What do you mean I
want a nice to steam you. When I come out,
I thought this is great. But now I get out
of the show, I'm like, fucking did I even shower?
This sucks I much. We have a cold shower.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I need to speak to April. Actually speaking of bathrooms,
go on. Do you know what's just happened to me?
I went to do a week before we started recording,
and I feel like in our new office, people like
I have not really met anyone, you know, the neighbors,
the people who actually have We're actually we share a
wall with a psychologist.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
There's nothing but therapists are ount here, a lot of
therapists on our level, and it seems about right.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
And we were building the studio, they were like, I'm
in the middle of a session, could you guys not
That's the only interaction we've had. But I walked down
the hallway and a guy was in front of me
and he winked at me and he said, here going,
And I was like.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
We gotta fuck we fuck now.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
He's probably a therapist. He's like, do you know what
he's like. He's probably thinking I'm gonna wink at this
guy and then let him think about that for the
rest of the day because he's a therapist.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, I don't know it was it was something we
had a moment we're talking about it.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
He just like he just winked effortlessly.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
And you don't know what it means. So that's what
that's that's part of the trick, the therapy trick. It's
working everything your whole life.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
He must have been eating asparagus, because that you're a
all fucking start. Really, it was strong. I was like
pun cane wink, terrible piss ash housekeeping. Yes, I've got some.
It's going to start with some sad news.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Oh great, Buster is not too good. At the moment,
I thought.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
He was as dead that you can rip that off a.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
It's it's pretty bad. He's currently in that hospital.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Hope.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
You don't want to know how much money we spent
on emergency surgery.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
He had surgery.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, Sunday night just gone.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
He literally got up, had a little bit of kibble
in his bowl, came back down and he was just
like a bit uncomfortable, and then he started dry reaching
and I was thinking, fuck, is he eating something? You
know what's going on? Thanks to our last guest with
the chop with the baby lead weening. Yeah, I'm giving
Poppy lots of chops at the moment, which she's loving.

(04:31):
But then Laura was like, where'd the last chop go?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
And I was like, oh, cooked bone.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
I was like, you were feeding hers like you were.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
I gave her the chop, but then you then took
the feeding and we were like, who's fucking a fault here?
So we thought maybe, like hell yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
He was dry reaching and just like.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Like it was stuck.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
You thought maybe it was, so then we're like it
must be the chop bone, but he was shaking as well,
goes Nah, there's a place called sash.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's a twenty four hour.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
They've seen it. I've seen it on the show.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
It's fucking great.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, was it like the show?

Speaker 2 (05:07):
What show?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
And that's the veterory hospital that's on the show here
because obviously it was one novet but then he got
too big for his boots and they moved on to
it is a.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Great like the I mean, he chunds a lot of money,
so you hope to get a discout. But they're lovely.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
They're lovely, and Sunday night, nine point thirty, you go
there and they were like, fuck did a scan. He's
got a twisted stomach, needs an emergency surgery, and they
said it was amazing that you got here as you
did because the longer it's twisted, the cells vet here rash,
but the cells die. Apparently, this is what's been told.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
To me by Laura Venory Hospitals. They really got your
brother balls and there because they know you love this thing. Yes,
they're like you fucking they come, they co empty your pockets.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
There's got to be times when I mean it.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Was when you're tell them you can't afford it, so
they bring out two year togos, turn you upside down
and shake the money out of you.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Well, there must be times when people don't have insurance
where they just can't afford the bills.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
It's got to be it's gotta be fucking tough.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Unfortunately, like, yeah, it's brutal, but we don't have insurance
because Buster has got three legs.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
For him to get insurance was like two and a
half grand a year.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, even though he's less, even though he's less.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, yeah, he's got one less leg to worry about.
And they were like, jake the brons.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Up, Yeah, yeah, anything else missing?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
She had surgery. He is pretty old. He's like eleven.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I think were said eleven for three years straight.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I think so well. Laura said he was ten and
I was like.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, Squeaky's like the same.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
I don't think Laura went to him yesterday and he
was so drugged up. Didn't know what that was. But
they said dogs bigger dogs of this age.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Recovery is pretty touch and go, especially got three legs,
like he can't.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Really for him to get around because he's harder. Yeah,
it's going to be it's going to be tough.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Is it on the leg side of the opposite side?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I'm not sure they couldn't put a leg on him
while they were there, or this is my dog?

Speaker 1 (06:52):
You talk fine, going to make a full recovery, and
I can't wait to see Buster.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Barket is a time and a place to have a joke. Ash,
you can talk me. I am the most sensitive man here.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Shut up. So yeah, hopefully Buster does. Okay. Laura was
absolutely rattled.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
I bet absolutely, because they seem so so. They seem
so hopeless as well, because obviously they can't help themself.
I don't know what's going on. You don't know what's
going on.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
And also when Laura went to visit him last night,
he was a bit like, why the fuck have you
left me here again? You've done this since she was
trying to give him a little bit of food, hoping
that her being there it did help give him the chicken.
But then yeah, when she leaves, he's like, well, hang
on a second, and you're fucking leaving me again.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, just like confused.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, home, So we're gonna go after sorry, Vic, we'll
go this afternoon, have a little visit, see how he's doing,
May take him home maybe tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Right yeah, yeah, and they charge you every night.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Fuck god, I want to think about the bill. No,
that's that's future problems.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Exactly right, exactly right. Well, also noticed you wearing a
quite a very striking T shirt today.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
It's Frankie.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yes, Ash, this is the Frankie signature motto, long sleeved
T shirt. It's nice, it's feeling the thickness. Yeah, it's
a thick GSM.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
It's actually I'm going to read them. WHOA, I think
it's a GSM.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
What's GSM?

Speaker 3 (08:21):
And this is supplied by Jackson. He has his daughter
Frankie there on the podcast. Frank on the front of
it makes sense just it says a heavy weight fabric
two hundred and eighty GSM for those.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Playing a hide.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
That's some high GSM.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
I didn't know what a normal GSM is, but would
it be like a thread count. I think it's just.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
I want like spreadsheets.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
It's one hundred percent carded cotton. There you go.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I can't complain with that.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
It's a great it's great shirt if you know what
it looks like. It's on our socials and it's eighty
five bucks. But the money is all going to a
very good cause.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
So the goal is to collaborate with a group of
organizations to create something bigger and combine the fundraising efforts.
They hope collectively to donate a Trexo Robotics walker to
either a clinic or a family. So if we can
buy this shirt raise the money, those in need are
going to benefit so much.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Well, yeah, it sounds expensive that thing, so get buying them.
They look cool.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I like this.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
They're riding up the sleeve at de side of that
was that say Superstar powered by cart It's cool. I
like it.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
I am a superstar, you are, so it's very fitting
that I wear this.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yes, Matt, I was on a podcast you might have
heard of before.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Which one was it?

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Lifetime cut?

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, they're not very good average. Yeah are they still
going there?

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Look they're holding on. I mean the numbers go up
now that I've been there. They used me. I feel
used in a good way. Yeah. I liked it, but
I found out of some very important information.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Well hang on, just quickly, just quickly. How did it go?

Speaker 1 (09:54):
It was good because you were doing and asking cut, asking,
cut A couple of questions.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
What questions did you get? Give me one like, what was.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Some guy who who told his wife he's going surfing
but he just sits in his car and scrolls on
his phone. You aba wrote all the questions in there.
We talked about drinking.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Did you give serious advice or we silly? Ash was
because there's two ashes.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I was both. I got a little bit of both.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, I can change gears like that.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
It was good.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
How's Laura?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
She looked great. Yeah, she's thriving as a mum and
as a podcaster, Thank you, and as a wife. Very
kind of you to say that she didn't have a
very nice thing to say about you. What do you mean,
let you sort that out when you get home. Anyway,
throw that grenade in there. No, she loves you. It

(10:42):
was good, But I have some information. So recently you
told a story about spending more time with you mum,
which I think is amazing. They're not going to be
with us forever. What a guy? What a guy? And
that's what everyone says, what a guy? And the options
were to you started watching a documentary with it a
specifically a World War II documentary, because you and your
mum are quite into that sort of stuff, and you

(11:05):
actually chose to watch that over having sexual intercourse with
your wife.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
I mean, we all would have made the same decision, right, Yes,
you had some what do they call it rustered romance
that you denied, deny, denied in favor of Tom Hanks
in World War Two.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yes, so Tom Hanks a twenty part series.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Any man in my position would have done the same thing.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
But someone else in your house has taken claim to
being a World War two fan. It's not you or
your mum. Go on, Can I please have the audio
from said life on cut? Just a small podcast that's
up and coming.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Good luck to them, good luck the.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Most comprehensive World War Two, and I've watched a lot
of World War Two stuff in the last couple of
years since living with Ellie.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
It's the most comprehensive.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
But because it's narrated by Tom Hanks and it's been
done with a real not I don't want to say
it's got the Hollywood effect because it certainly doesn't have
that more palatable Maybe it's just it's done in a
way that I find is not too dry, and it's very,
very interesting.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I am not a history person.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
I am not someone who would normally sit through that
much World War content, and I have found it thoroughly
like it's been for me. It's probably the first time
where I've actually watched that type of history content and
being like, I have thoroughly enjoyed this, And I don't
know if war content is something you can say you
thoroughly enjoy. And I love Tom Haiks.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
So I was like, love sounds like it would make
me better at my trivia game. It truly was.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
One of those ones where I was like, he could
talk about anything.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Box of chocolates, Tom has got options at your house.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
The whole time she's on her phone, she wasn't watching.
I was like, I was like, can you believe that
they're trying to invade staling Grad right now?

Speaker 1 (12:38):
The sixth Army, the old invasion of Stalin staling Grad
or Starling stelling Grad?

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Who is And she's on her phone. She needs to
stop pretending she's fake, Laura, She's not.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
I was shocked.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
My mum was like, and Laura, can you believe that
it took three attempts for Germany to invade Russia and
on the third attempt is what stopped them? And then
they had the Western Front start after that, which Germany
would never recover from. And Laura's just like, yeah, that's
that's pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, and then gets to it gets to her place
of work. I really love this documentary.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Tom has What a guy. It's such an interesting topic, Hilaura.
He could say anything, I could say anything. She doesn't
value the war like I did.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
No, exactly right. There's a character on a TV show
called peep Show who he's obsessed with Stalin and all
of that sort of stuff like that, and you just
sounded exactly.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Like he's just like, yeah, I've got ten episodes left.
Oh yeah, and my mom is still like, we finished
dinner and she's like, should we watch one?

Speaker 1 (13:41):
And then?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
And then we'll watch one? And she's like, can we
do another one? How long can we do one? More
like fifty minutes?

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Three hours of World War? Are you starting to dream
in World War two? Now?

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I think about it a lot.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's where keeps riding home?

Speaker 2 (13:55):
So close, so close to Hitler winning the war. It's
it's scary to think about it win.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I don't know much about war.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
My fucking god, did he win? Ash?

Speaker 1 (14:04):
I wish to ask Laura because she would know.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
First it's event in the bathroom. Yeah, now it's World
War two.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I have a lot to educate you on.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Thank you. I better come over and watch this, watch this,
this documentary said thank you. I wouldn't. I couldn't sit
through it. I could barely sit through that sentence. My sentence,
not yours.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
I just want to find someone out there, he's not
my own mother, who appreciates World War Two like I do.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
If there's anyone out there who does, please speak to me.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I do have a friend who really loves World War
He's spoke for you can't have him as well.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Hey, how's the book going?

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well? We had a bit of a what I thought
was a technical difficulty on the presale on the Big
W website because it was showing sold out of a presale.
But apparently they have sold out of pre allocated books.
How's that secret ingredient? Fuck knows they have, but they
have allegedly, So I mean, good news, I guess.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
But so will there be more pre sale books available?

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Well?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
As of tomorrow it's actually available in store. Oh yeah,
So the twenty ninth is the actual official launch. Whether
they turned up or not and on the shelf or
not will depend on who's work and the shift that day.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, how do you trying to figure out how you
sell out or something that's not there?

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Well, I don't know. I don't know either. I don't
know much. So yeah, that's Hitler.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
The book industry, it's a wild Beast's a wild how
they work.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
So it'll be available in Big W as of the
twenty ninth. Give it a week just in case.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Are you doing a book signing? No, you're not doing
a book.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
I'll go through that again.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Jesus, I'm going to go to a dimics book store.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
No, they make you do it. Thank god. People thought
we were go.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
For anyone who's confused. Ash And when we read our book,
people kept thinking that we were too gay dads, and
we're brave.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
And we did a signing and a middle aged woman
came out to us to go. My kids were practically
raised by the gays, and Matt said, those heteros you
gonna look out for, and they were kissed.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
I don't know what I think.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
We're gay.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
You'll be in a bookstore. Let us know when when
it happens.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
If if I'm not doing that, I'm not doing that.
Make you if you want to sign copy, just message me.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
That would If I had to do that on my own,
the anxiety be too much.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I'd come with you. Just sit there in the corner.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
We should dress you up as me and see if
anyone knows I just.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
I would just I'd be like the proud boyfriend in
the corner.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
You get the money.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Hey, we've got a message from Lauren and Lauren Mitchell.
If you are listening right now, well played. You told
me that if anyone wants a shout out, we have
to say is that I've been a dotas since day one,
and you got me.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
We're just doing it. Don't say that and the whole
ep we'll have to do a shout out episode.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's fine every two weeks.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
She messaged in on the DMS to two doting ads
Instagram and said, hey guys, I'm a recent dodor and
loving Oh wait recent dota next.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
What I just read what I wanted to hear you?

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yes, just done it for life?

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Okay, sorry for now you're in it. Wow.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
But she said that maybe because she gave us a compliment,
she said, laugh out loud, relatable parenting content. And she's
been making away through all of the episodes. While she's
on Matt Lee with the newborn and a toddler, congratulations,
and she goes, I wanted to share with you my
husband's podcast as I thought it might interest you, as
NRL fans called the Big Hits podcast. Yes, it does,
like a deep analytical dive into like NRL topics.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
It's different some point of different.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
And so, Lauren, because you messaged me and buttered me up,
there is your plug for you and your husband.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
That's all you gotta do, is buttery. What's it called again?

Speaker 3 (17:48):
The Big Hit, The Big Hits, The Big Hits, The
Big Hits, podcast.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, I'm sure you can search it on Instagram for
the wives and the mums out there when you send
this to your husband, sending that one too, But make
sure you listen to us first, us first, then get
the analytical dad to.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Be like, Okay, what have we got here? Got parenting
podcast or NURL podcast?

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Actually forget said that, Matt. We have a hack. I
showed you a hack from a teacher who can have
the dirtiest wet wipe essentially help the class clean up,
which I thought was genius.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Chlorox. They call it chlorox over there. I think chlorox
is the spray and wipe.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Spray and wipe is such a nicer name.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Spray and wipe it chloro It's like you're gonna kill
someone like chloroform.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Or yeah, there's always called chloroform. I think it's lazy
that people just put a chemical in a bottle and
be like in staid of naming it was just call
it the chemical. Call it something fun, yeah, like spray
and wipe, spray and wipe and don't get it in your.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Eyes something like that does suck in the eyes.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yes, anyway, So this was off the back of that.
It's from a teacher. Nay Nne Nyna has another cleaning.
She's got a recommendation. It's called a hack. Another one
is secret rubbish for those extra messy days where there
is paper, pencils, et cetera laying all over the floor.
Declare that there is a secret piece of rubbish in

(19:06):
the room and that you will look to see who
finds it as they clean and tidy.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
That is very clever, very conniving, except Okay, my question
to you, Nina, what if they find it, Well.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Then you've got so many I guess teachers. They're going
to behave for the for the teachers, because if I
do it with my kids, unless everyone wins, we have.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
A game where I just yell at them to put
it away, and they put it away. That's the game.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
Work.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
I'm like, I told her to put it away.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
The spinning wheel gymnastics fucking hell, I thought we were
good last night, picked the kids up fucking Shazzy pants.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
One Chas wins everything.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Chazzy is my niece, and the wheel is what you
spin at the end of every gymnastics class to see
if you win a toy.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I don't think it's necessary though, is it?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
No?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
No, no, it is not truly setting this up.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
It's like ushies, I forget on the next episode.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
All right, we'll talk about that, and we'll talk about
it on when stay on the line until Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
And it's spinning with like Wheel of Fortune type wheel
and the thing the little was like on the nail
and was like oh, and the lady was like, you
can have it, Lola Boom nails it Marley, and I'm like,
I just know that she's not going to get it.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Marley doesn't get it. And then Marley's like, can I
go again? And I'm like, no respect the wheel?

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Do you think they asked on Wheel of Fortune?

Speaker 6 (20:28):
No?

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Also, they should bring back Wheel of Fortune.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I love that show.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I miss it.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
And then the lady's like the rules that are loose,
Like the lady on Reception, she's got a big bucket
of toys, like two cent toys and she's just like
that serious, I can get out of here, Charlotte. And
then Marley was like, can I still have a toy?
And the lady was about to reach in and I was.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Like she must learn wow.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
I was I'm building resilience and I'm like, remember, Marley,
you didn't win okay on this Occasian you're a loser.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh my god, okay, Chassy Pants and Lola win it.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Chazy Jasey Jersey.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
And Marley just was like she was She was like
millimeters away from the toy bucket and I was.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Like, we're going out of here, and she just flipped out.
And then I.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Wonder why thing, You're just like, I'm building resilience.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
I'm teaching lessons fair, fair, I'm teaching lessons fair.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Did you yell do that?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
No?

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Never yell, but I did the old like she's kicking
and screaming, and I was just like ylk oh okay,
and then the dragout and I'm like, because we're leaving
as another class is starting, so all the parents are
looking at me with the happy kids going into classes.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I'm like like.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Looks like I'm abducting a child. And I'm like, she's more,
don't worried.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
She just didn't win on the wheel. They're like, oh god,
I get it, totally get it. One of these days
she's gonna win. Hopefully feel it.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh no, I'm an idiot, guys, Lola is going to
be pissed off with me.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
We got one hundred days of KINDI coming up and
at our school, you have the option to dress up
as something to do with one hundred Yeah, what is
that other than one hundred one?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Dumbation?

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Last night? She's in the World World War. Should be
able to tell you something that's one hundred years old?

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Who ye, Salon.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
So we're doing a dress up and I was like, look,
you have a look online.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
You can pick a costume. Pick something.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
You're going to love it. She was like, great, so
she picked this. She had little dress that.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
She can wear.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
She's going as a hundred year old.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yes, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Except she was hell bent, hell bent on the walking stick.
The most important part of that costume is the walking stick.
She was like, that's what I need. The walking stick
is like most important?

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, it was a must have. No, yeah, the must
have was the walking stick. Right.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Can you see anything in particular about the walking stick,
anything that you notice? It's not a not a legit
walking stick. It is a to blow up.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
It's a fucking blow up. Okay, these motherfuckers.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
I put a fucking photo of a walking stick on
the online listing.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
They even did one of them leaning on it, leaning
on it. How sturdy is that blue?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
That's very deceiving, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
And so the box came. The guy like, here you go,
here's your little Amazon box and I was like yeah.
I was like where does the stick like an extend?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
And so this afternoon, like Lola was like, she's very
particular about like, so when does it come today?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Is it tomorrow? Is it the next day?

Speaker 3 (23:35):
I said, no, it's coming today, So when you come
home from school it'll be there. She was like, when
I come home from school, it's there, not the next
day today. And I'm like, yes, today. So I'm going
to pick her up and I'm going.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
To have to tell her that the walking stick is inflatable.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Oh, you're gonna have to stop it like a.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Medical center or like I'm going to have to just
want an old person.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Don't pass an old person home and just yoink one. Yeah,
they won't be able to catch you because they won't
be able to walk.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Oh you get a piece of timber.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm like, will she accept the inflatable walking stick?

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Probably not. You could probably use it for other things
like hitting people. I don't know, but like you.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
Need it safer for school, I guess.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, that's true. Actually, you make that's why we have
a mummy.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
I was going to say the teachers said you couldn't
have a real walking stick, but then I know there's
going to be some fuckers out there at school who
do have the real walking stick.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
And then I was like I was down here like
a fucking loser with an inflatable walking stick. And then
Frankie's over there with a bloody mahogany stick.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, he's got like tazzy oak. Yeah, stained it up.
He's like polishing, polishing it. Just go, honestly, go to
like a two dollar shop and buy one. They would
have like a cheap little ship one in there, but
they don't know how to take it at school.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
I was that was my that was my like fallback
lie bloody hundred days, but also at our hundred days
that don't allow the parents.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
To come to school.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Why what do you want to go for?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Do I have to come? Thank you the costume and
person to put it on that before she leaves the house.
Then I want to see it.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I want to see it amongst her peers.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
Yeah, okay, can I tell you what we had to
do for our hundred days this yesterday, every kid had
to bring in one hundred items of something like.

Speaker 7 (25:13):
That's so mean, skittles, Like, what do you go for?
We went for cheesels and then I was like, it's a.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Lot of cheesels.

Speaker 7 (25:20):
Though I know I bought three packs.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Isn't it.

Speaker 6 (25:24):
It's actually only one pack and a little bit extra
that we had to count them out.

Speaker 7 (25:30):
Hundred you get eighty six cheesels per pack.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
They just in the corner salivating.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
Yes, we ate them.

Speaker 6 (25:37):
But I asked Louis when he came home and he's like, oh, yeah,
we didn't even do them because apparently they were too messy.

Speaker 7 (25:42):
I was like, what, I went to the shops before school.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Hundred of that's just so ridiculous, I know.

Speaker 7 (25:50):
But they got to wear just colored clothes.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
That's great.

Speaker 7 (25:53):
Yeah, which is easier.

Speaker 6 (25:55):
I know a lot of schools do the costumes and
everyone goes as grannies.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
We've already got book week.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Can I have a business idea? Go?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Okay, So we need to find a factory somewhere in Asia,
and we needed to make as many like old lady
wigs and walking sticks as possible because we'd clean up.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Dude, we clean up real real walking stick, real white.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
What's the cheap wood babboo?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
You just getting Sean Kenny down? What's that just downing?

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Oh there you go, Thank you very much. We can
sell that. We co the schools.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Does it seem like a big hassle? Yes? Is it
worth it?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (26:28):
You could also chuck in some book week costumes.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Oh yeah, write it down. I haven't said it in
a while. Write it down, put.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
It on, sir. Everyones buy them last minute and you're.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Like, yeah. The thing is.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Though, people paying thirty bucks for a bloody wig and
a pair of spectacles, And there's so like book Week.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
You've got book Week and everything else in school? Did
Marlin you have school discos?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
We haven't a disco yet.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
What they're missing out on it? It's like a rave?
Are you going I drop them off? But I'm like
that's right in the car.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's like yeah, I'm.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Like, get me out of here. Players's too many kids,
too much florial for me.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
But it's like, are the raves drop and go?

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Who plays?

Speaker 1 (27:08):
I think it's just one of the teachers the DJ now,
But they fully set.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
It up old schools.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
With a horn. That's got a theme, so there's no God,
it's just we.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
Also have the Commonwealth Games Day this week.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Can I just say credit to any athlete representing Australia
right now in the Cornwealth Game But does anyone give
a fuck?

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Not really? And it's it's and do you know what
it's because of the ex Melbourne premiere. That's why. Because
he committed got scale back and then they because it
got scaled back, so many athletes right now, No, no to
the athletes, their sports got cut. So those people who
had been training for those years for their chance to
go to the Cornwealth Games all of a sudden had

(27:52):
to be like, you don't have a purpose.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Now what was it like badminton diving or big loss?

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Joking joking on badmington plays diving diving, Sam Fricker sand
Frica not going to see his cock on TV.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
No, that's a real loss.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
He's a grower anyway, so you're not missing.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Actually I have. There were a couple of interviews on
the news for the swimmers in DTS and this is
going to sound weird. I don't want to sexualize the athletes.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Were they males?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, go ahead, but okay, when you're wearing DT's ash.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Do you like rest your cock up or down?

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Why is yours going up?

Speaker 2 (28:27):
No, the mine's down and this guy's cock was up.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
It might be better for the engineering of the water
to go the flow.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
It was like his cock was like oh instead of
like down.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, okay, it was up.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
And he's being interviewed. He's like, well, you know my
breash stroke and my pet event, and I was like,
watch your cocks like.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
It's probably going to be one of those things where
it's like I'm missing out by two hundreds of a second.
It's like, tucky cockback cut, tucky cock back down. It's
better for water flowing streamline. It's a concave.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Those are athletes should not be wearing dts outside of
the pool. It's like if your post swim.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Sure, I get it, but you shouldn't be like at
a press conference with your bloody cock resting upwards.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I know someone's got to tell his athletes.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Someone's going to be like, I can see the imprint
of it. Please don't know what it's called. It's called
catching print. Let me just the science of catching print. Okay, okay,
we all know what campbeltos are. Sorry, we shut up.
We all know what cameltoes are, yes, yes, okay, right,
but this is a man version. It's not a moose knuckle.
It's a catching catching print. Okay, so it's it's actually

(29:35):
coined by women, okay. Where it's like, oh I can
see the outline of his cock catching print, catching print, right,
I never heard that. There you go can look at it.
It was a big thing on TikTok with the youth,
with the youth anyway, but.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Big shout out to all the athletes over in Glasgow
doing their best to Glasgow. Yeah, Glasgow, Yeah, Glassgow. Know. Yeah.
Matt Shervington's speaking big cocks.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
He won the three legged race.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I messaged him. I messaged him to come on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Do you bring your cock on it?

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Right back? And then I put on the TV and
then I was like, oh, he's hosting the comic game.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Because whenever we do see him, he's like, how are
you fellas? I'll bring my cock. He creagon. He's the
reason for a lot of babies born after that the
nine months after those races.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
And also if Matt Shervington is listening.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
He does like the podcast, nice cock, he won't come on.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Now we have some doted dilemmas.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Okay, now you need.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
Us more than ever, know that we still have each other.
You can say sure doting dilemma. You can sure doting dilemma.
Ella e.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Ash this first one. I'm not going to say her name.
As much as they do want to give her a
shout out. I think it's best if I keep it anonymous.
But she says, my best thing and I now live
two and a half hours away from each other, and
I'm wondering if it's time to let.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
The friendship go.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
It's a bit drastic.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Hang on like you sure do it?

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Oky do it?

Speaker 2 (31:10):
You won't.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Their kid is a little bit any social and never
plays with mine when we finally do meet. Her kid
is four, mine is three, and her kid naps are
always prioritized over my kids' naps too, So I do
all the travel if we're going to meet somewhere. And
in addition to this, she has the attitude that parenthood
is absolute sunshine and roses all the time and never

(31:34):
talks about the irritating stuff that bonds us.

Speaker 6 (31:37):
All.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Wouldn't what that's like? What would you do?

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I wouldn't say, I wouldn't letting it go is a
bit drastic obviously, like parenting changes people right for the
good and for the worst in some instances. But like,
I think it's more like, Okay, well I don't.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Think that I would do it's not working out.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
I'm like, fine, move on, never contact me again. It's
sort of like, I mean, everyone's going to have to
live their own lives. But then it doesn't mean that
you're not friends. It means that, like you've just got
different expectations of parenting and different scenarios, which is so
true because every kid's different. If it's Sunshina rainbows, good
for her, and if that irritates you that she's not well,

(32:17):
then maybe find some people that you're happy to bitch
about your kids with it like I have, and then
still have that friend as still your friend, because I
don't think you should throw away friendship just because at
that time your lives aren't lining up.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Not saying that this is the case with your relationship,
anonymous listener, but look, the reality is, like you said,
people change post parenthood and some relationships won't last.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, Or it's like you come back and revisit it late.
Like my sister, she had a really good best friend
for years, and I remember there was it wasn't a
falling out of similar their interests change, and then I
was like literally like six or seven years or something,
and then she was at my sister's wedding and my

(33:03):
sister was like, we just felt like we were such
good friends. And we reconnected again and we're at different
stages now, but cycles yeah, we're at different we live
in different states even but now that we've reconnected, there's
so much for us to catch up on and they're
still much friend.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
But I do think as well, up until like six
or seven months, if you're it's like, let's say you've
had a nice berth and let's say baby's pretty easy,
they can sleep anywhere. Like we were of the opinion
that like, oh yeah, they'll you know, they'll sleep in
the prem it's easy to catch up. But then I
think from ten months onwards up until three or four
that's it's tricky.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
You trap your nap trapped.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
You do get nap trapped. I love being nat trapp
because I wouldn'tap too, But like you divide your days
into two parts or three parts, depending on where the
naps are.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
And if you weren't on the same page. It's like
when the kids were post one o'clock, we were like, no,
twelve o'clock. We got to be we got to be
at home in a dark room with the selling machine on,
and I want my kid to sleep otherwise are going
to turn fair And.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Other people were just like, oh, I can sleep in
the gutter.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
We were the same. It's like I wanted those naps
to be good because that would knock on effect would
be that it'd be better later on. Yeah, and she
might have a kid that's a great sleeper, great, and
that's amazing and it's good for her. You're you're maybe
a little bit more into a fussy sleeper or eat
or whatever it might be. But yeah, I wouldn't say
let go. I would just say they're still your friend.

(34:26):
It might you might just be on different paths at
the moment, but the paths come back.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
I remember being a kid growing up and they were
like some of my mom's really good friends. I won't
send any names, but they had kids who were similar
age to me.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
But I was like, oh, I hate that kid.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I play with him. He's fucking weird, Mom, He's weird, weird,
the weirdo. I don't want to go, and it's so
much harder I do it now, was like, come on,
like it's weird.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
He tried to talk to me. I hated it.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
But when the kids don't get along, it does make
it so much harder. But it just means it might
be best for you guys to hang out without the kid. Yeah,
you guys can still see each other. If you can
have time away from your child and just see them,
that might be the best way for you guys to
still socialize.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
I think as well, though two and a half hours away,
you might not need to throw away the relationship. It
might just be a stepping away from it for a while.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Very good as an easy fade out.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
It's always awkward when they live down the road and
you keep bumping into them, like where are you off
to the park?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Me too?

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Fuck, You're like, oh shit, all right. This one's from
Sarah Jane. I have a dota dilemma which my husband
and I can't seem to agree on. I should note
we were brought up very differently. He could do basically
what he wanted and I was very overprotected. And he
is the eldest of three boys, and I'm the youngest

(35:45):
and only girl. Okay with you? That is opposite. At
what age did you let your kids start to do
things on their own, like walk home from school, go
for bike rides with their friends, etc. My son is
nine in year four and we have just relocated a
five minute walk from the new school. A lot of
kids walk home, and he'd like to start to do
that on his own. The local shops are also a

(36:07):
one minute walk, and my husband thinks we should be
starting to let him do that on his own. Two
I know it's just a matter of time before he
wanted to go for a bike rides with his new friends.
I'm really struggling with the thought of not being there
to protect him if something was to happen. The other
issue is my middle child is in kindergarten and if
he's walking home, she's going to want to do it

(36:28):
with him fair enough, which I'm absolutely not okay with.
So may as well just walk all together. Not asking
for you to make the decision for me. Oh just
wanted to know what others have done, as it makes
me very anxious. I used to walk to school every
morning from the age of seven.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
I always have to hike up a mountain.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, ask girl parents. What did they do? Well, it
was a rail road. There was a rail road. I
remember that week, just through the mountain. Once we got
to the railroad, they said, I'll follow it until you
hit the sun.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
We'd swimmer kilometer yeah yeah, shark infested water, we'd get
that by winter. Yeah yeah, we'd have to build an
igloo camp over night. We would then start school.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
How old were you when you walked to school? Yeah?
Seven seven on the Gold Coast.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
No, no, no, I went to primary school in Sydney.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Okay. We were with your older sister though. Yeah, so
my sister was two years old and death is very responsible.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
She's brainwashed everyone, I reckon anyway, that's yeah anyway, Ah, No,
she was. She was. She was a very protecting, biggest
big sister for me, which I am very appreciated of
and we have a great relationship now. But it's like,
can you just leave that first part in no, Like
I think people often say to me, like I go

(37:45):
to gigs with my sister, I do just one on one.
So but I remember we used to walk to school together. Yeah,
really early doors because it was so normal.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Did you ever have any run ins with would you
say any like stranger danger back in the day, any
any thing where you were like, I think we should
go this way and get that candy from the man
in the van and she's like, no, Ash.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
He's got puppies. No, nothing like that. I think we
Where we went to school, there was a lot of
like bush tracks to get to the entrance. Like there
wasn't school's a much more fenced off now, Okay, I
remember there was all these different entrances to the school
from bush tracks. It was quite a bushy area, and
everyone would have their own way of getting into the school.
I remember a group of us.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Would all imagine this like ants coming into it.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
That's what it was like, because I mean we would
mind we'd all walk to school together, me, my neighbors
and all this sort of stuff, like different ages all
down the same bush track and then onwards. The only
thing we did come across was there was a storm
water drain through this bush track, like you could see
the exit or the entry whatever one end of it,
and kids thought it'd be funny to crawl up the
fucking thing. And then one of the kids got stuck

(38:48):
pretty much, so we had to like look somehow. Look,
we didn't get stuck. He got halfway, got scared and
frozen stiff. So we'd have to be like, get parents
to come and help us out. And then it would
be like, don't.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Go down there. Those one kid, it ruins it for everyone.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah, but my parents always lived and went to school
on hills, okay, and my mum was like, no one,
no one of danger could be bothered walking up that
fucking hill.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
You guys all have great calves, right, thank you. It's
myself because of the hills.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, so we're like it just felt safe because.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Because of the hill.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Because of the hill.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Criminals are lazy.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
And then when I moved to high school, we would
walk all the way to the bus stop, which was
like down the hill, which was dangerous. You know, it
was like down on the flat with the flat people.
But yeah, but I think now it's you're going to
sound like an old person say it thanks for the Internet.
It's it's it's open too many eyes because it's like

(39:42):
everyone's so petrified, which I think there is a there
is a certain degree.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Of healthy to have a bit of anxiety regarding it,
but then knowing any minor incident that is then put
front and center on the news, and it's on social media,
and you know.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Every every single thing that could go wrong, it does.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Go wrong, You're like, holy fuck, I'm going to wrap
my child in bubble wrap for as long.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
As I can.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
And the problem but the problem with that, I like,
I'm thankful that I was given autonomy around that sort
of stuff really early on. So in terms of April,
not so much. So here's a good example. When I
started seeing April, her mom still used to make her sandwiches,
but it was like when we traveled, she would highly
rely on me in terms of navigate everything. And she'll

(40:24):
tell you that because she would get dropped off to
school picked up, she didn't have the street smarts. I
remember my mum would always say I wanted us to
do that stuff alone so that when we did get older,
we were traveled enough we would know what to do
in a situation. And it worked out because both my
sister and I are very individual and very autonomous and

(40:44):
have been since that, and we weren't helicopter parent.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
You, your streets smarts would be the highest of anyone
that I know.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Really, Oh yeah, shut up, yeah, yeh, yeah, you're welcome.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, But my issue is with my kids, Like, as
an example, the one rule that we have that I'm
trying to implementing their head is you're going across the road,
you gotta look left, right, and then left again then
you cross, and they're like got it. And then I'm like, okay,
I'm just going to be over here. You can cross
when you want.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
And they're just like yep, and I'm like wow, and
you've got to look first, and like got it.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Do they know the reality of what would happen if
they got hit by a car.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I was literally explaining to them. I was like, if
you get hit by a car, you will end up
in hospital with broken bones, mate, And they're like, is
that lad? Would it hurt their TVs in hospital? Yeah?
But it's not the point screens.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
I said to April April Oscar. I was like, you
get hit by a car, splat, It's like what. I'm like,
You'll be all over the road, mate, There'll be nothing
left to you.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
But I my kids still won't look left and right
and crossing the road if they're on a scooter in
front of me and I'm like stop, stop at the
last second, and.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, they're like, oh, what for. I'm like, you didn't
you didn't look and they're like, what for for the
fucking cars look right now? And they're like, well, you
didn't tell me what age? You guys fucking understand to
look left and right.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Jesus Christ, I know we implemented whenever they look left
or right, they go right. So if they look right,
they go they have to say no cars left, no cars,
And now Macy's just like no cars.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
If I'm on the bike, I sometimes a're on the
back and I'm like, Okay, who's going to be my
eyes for me?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Can you check? Is it clear? And they're like go ahead?
Fucking buses like and I'm like, you didn't look at
you right before? What's what's the problem?

Speaker 1 (42:32):
You guys suck that?

Speaker 8 (42:33):
Yeh.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
I think like the kids being out and about on
their own, it's that. I think that scares me more
than anything else. I think like letting go he didn't
get hit by car. But I think like you've got
to give you got to do it though, You've got
to give your kids some eyes, some autonomus.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I think I think at the age of like three,
so it's of like eight or nine, I.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Should get a job.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
They should be out there sweeping chimneys.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I think if it's a five minute war from home,
I think it's okay.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah with it. I'm still nervous with a buddy.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Like with a buddy, like if you want to pick
someone kidder's nearby, you guys can all come together, and
I think it's fine. Like I know my sister will
go pick up the youngest is in kindie. George, who
is the eldest will walk home by himself with the mate,
or like they'll ride bikes by themselves, smoke and and
then yeah he.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Probably is, isn't he?

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah I was?

Speaker 3 (43:24):
And then shaggy pants will get taken home by mum m.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
It definitely scares me, but I think like it also depends,
like how big the distance is, Like we were pretty
close to school and then there was a group of it.
A group is always good because it's like they can't
take all of it.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
From the age of nine, I'm allowing a kilometer.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Okay, yeah right, and then every age above that, every
year the radius increases is by another kilometer.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, my name's eighty nine. She can only drive like
five ks. So it comes full circle.

Speaker 6 (43:55):
One little hack I saw from a few mums about
if you are sort of testing the waters with your
kids coming home and stuff, get an air tag and
chuck it in your kids shoe. They don't know it's there,
and you can keep track of where they're going, what
path they're taking, that sort of thing.

Speaker 7 (44:08):
When they get a bit older.

Speaker 6 (44:09):
Life three sixty app is like amazing for keeping track
of where they're going.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Is that through their phone? You track their phone.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
They need to have the app as well, whether it's
on a watch or on a phone yet so generally
high school students, but my nephew loves mountain bike riding
and so it was a really great way to make
sure that he was still constantly moving and moving around safely.

Speaker 7 (44:31):
Yeah, if he stopped.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Where do you put the air tag on the shoe?

Speaker 6 (44:37):
Apparently you can cut like a little hole, put it
in like under the sole, cut a hole out.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
That's Real's get I think, Yeah, I like.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
It, cut it out, put it in, and then super
glue it back in. So basically, if they lose their shoe,
it's the only way to come out.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
My kids always lose their shoes. Am I wear are
your shoes? How are we going to track these people.
Remember Whipper did that for the city to serf He
tagged his kids without telling them because obviously it's a
massive crowd and they were all doing it together as
a family. But like, can I just.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Say I'm not opposed to putting in micro chips and
my kids?

Speaker 7 (45:14):
Is that a thing?

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Can you do that?

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I'll find out what's wrong with that.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
I don't want to be that close to.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Them, just for like these early years and then when
they're an adult and they're like, what's this weird lump
on my wrist?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Like, ask your.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Mother who is It's like a microchip like a dog.

Speaker 7 (45:32):
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if we're not far off
from that.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
We're not far off from that. I don't think.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Ash.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
This one is for you. If I may ask you
a question you well, it's not you, but I'm asking
on behalf of anonymous.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
That's a strange name. Research it's French. Oh well, that's
that's a bit of Japanese as well.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Your French in Japanese are always intertwined.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I've always said that.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
She says, my partner has an alcohol dependency, and whenever
I bring it up, he gets upset because we've had
the conversation so many times, but he hasn't been able
to stop drinking, despite claiming that he wants to. He
knows it's bad and doesn't seem to be able to stop,
even for the sake of our one year old. Hearing
Ash's story gives me some hope, but I don't know
how to be more supportive. But I don't know how

(46:21):
to be a more supportive partner when I can't bring
this up without him getting upset. We will be bringing
April on the podcast to talk about this. But when
you think about your situation and your decision to stop drinking,
do you think there's anything that April could have done
or said or behaved in a way that would have
encouraged you to give up sooner?

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Probably not. I actually do get this message a little
bit here and there from people, and it's fairly common
where it's like my husband or my wife, you know,
and they are torn on what to do because you
love this person so much at the same time, you
don't want to rock the boat to a point that
makes them get their neck up or because ultimately, and

(47:02):
I always say this, the end decision is down to him, right.
I think April was really good at not confronting me
about it. It was sort of like him where I
knew the damage it was doing. I knew that I
wanted to one day be alcohol free. And I always
say that Pi seads daydream about being sober or every

(47:24):
piece said you asked them, I'm like, do you ever
think about being sober? And they're probably yeah, all the time.
It's just one of those things. But like in her instance,
I think like you've already got a couple of things
going for you. He knows that it's bad for him.
I think for her it's to be patient and not
to push it.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Is there any situation where you can think of where
you know, we talk about like we coached him, right,
and he's all about rewarding the good behavior, and jen
Ewi says that a lot as well. Was it any
times where you were behaving in a certain way, and like,
tell me if this is not the case, but if you,
like on a Saturday night, I'm assuming that would be
a night you would most commonly drink, or Friday night

(48:02):
every night. Yeah, so one if there was a night
where you didn't drink, If April was to say like, hey, like,
really good job.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
You know, like I'm really proud of it if you're
not drinking? Did that help it all?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
What did help? Was noticed? I noticed when I had
consciously decided not to drink on certain days. I noticed
that we would do think more like, we would do
more together. We were much more a happy couple. It's
really tricky because I think anyone, no one wants to
be told they've got a problem right straight away, whether

(48:37):
you've got an addiction or not. If you're told that
you're doing something that someone else doesn't agree with, all
of a sudden, you're going to get your neck up,
unless like you're of the opinion that okay, I want
to I just need some support. I think what's probably
really healthy and would be if she doesn't make it
about him. She makes it about them. So like I

(48:57):
remember April saying to me once and I sort of
took the hint. She was like, hey, do you know
what my purpose? She sort of said what her perfect
night was, and it was like, do you know what
perfect night is? That we get to eat together, we
get to lay in bed and watch TV together. And
then it was sort of like and who knows you know,
and I kind of took that and I was like, okay,
well it was not It wasn't just about me. It

(49:18):
was about what her perfect night is and what we
could do together. So I don't know, if it's like
you might have your own health goals, this person who's
worried about a husband, why not come up with a
health goal together? And it might actually just askew some
of the thought around thinking about drinking all the time.
Because I guarantee you if it's a dependency, he thinks
about it all the time. But why don't you try
and shift that to thinking about us and not about that.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
And then do you think it's better instead of trying
to attack it from like we've got to stop drinking
like every night. It's a case of trying to break
it down, so it wakes it down. So one night,
you guys, you know, if it's it's a Thursday night,
is like when the drinking starts. As an example, just
not drinking every night. Do you try and attack it
from like that one night? We just focused on that

(50:00):
one night itself and then grow from there if you can.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah, because you could easily if like I said, if
he already knows that he wants to stop. We'll say, hey,
don't we on well, why don't we on Wednesday night?
Why don't we do something together every Wednesday night to
give you that break in the middle of the week,
so you can see how you feel the back end
of the week, Because.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Do you find it hard if you're at home in
that environment where you would have a drink in hand?
Do you find it hard to be in that same
environment without the bottle? Is it easier to be out
of the house in the evenings?

Speaker 1 (50:30):
I don't want to leave the house anymore.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
It's when you first stopped drinking.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
When I first stopped drinking, I would It's about distraction, right,
I think all the things that you would do that
involve alcohol, which the thing is, it bleeds into every
part of your life. Okay, so it's like all of
a sudden, you become a parent, right, and then alcohol
bleeds into that world. Instead of you being like I
want to separate alcohol use around my family, but I

(50:56):
think there's obviously things that they do together they both
enjoy and it's like, okay, well, maybe instead of having
our normal shake your routine up a bit in the
middle of the week and go Okay, well I've noticed
that you do you want to have a night off
having a drink if you feel like you have to
do it, what can we do together or I remember,
I do remember recall when I've said to Abel, I
want to have a good cracket at this time, she

(51:17):
would say, she would say, hey, go and see your mate,
or go and do something that will make you feel
like you don't need to do it. It's really really hard.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Not about one he likes a drink.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, yeah, well that's it, Like you're going to go
through a time of some isolation, but it's worth it
in the end. And I think I think as soon
as she starts talking about it that it's his problem.
Is when you're gonna have we're gonna have bigger problem.
It's more like, make it seem like his idea. If
that helps. Anyone says yeah, Everyone always says I want

(51:47):
to talk to me about him, Like yeah, but talk
to me about it and see how that goes, and
then maybe really think about it. But I would say,
make it about you guys as a whole, as a unit,
and maybe do something with the whole family at those
trigger points throughout the day where it's like four o'clock
in the afternoon. You trigger point, we go, right, everyone up,
let's go, you know what I mean. And it's like,
can I take a drink? No? No, no, come on,
let's go. You're gonna drink me. We get back, shake

(52:09):
that up a little bit, yeah, because then he'll be like, oh, okay,
because I remember, like the most uncomfortable times were when
you're not doing the regular thing, which is like drinking.
But then it would be like then I would start
to think about it a little bit more and maybe
push myself to maybe not drink tomorrow and night. That
was great, you know, but like everyone's gonna be different,
but it's ultimately up to him.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Last question, when you were stopping drinking, did you remove
alcohol from the fridge? Nah, because that I imagine that
must be hard, is if you're at home and the
fridge has got cold beers in it.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah, I got two cases in the laundry, I've got
I've got bottles of alcohol in the laundry I had,
I've got a bar fridge. Thankfully, Mike drank all that
because I contemplated at the time. I was like, that's
not a trigger for me, seeing it is not a trigger.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Right, but at the same time, biggest trigger.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
I think the kids were a big one.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Having a stressful day.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
I just felt like it just became so part of
my life that it was like the only way I
would feel comfortable is if I had it. But like
when I did quit and it was in the fridge,
it made it a little bit like it's in there,
I'm not going here. It was I kind of felt
a little bit proud about that.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, that in front.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah, but again it was it was my decision, and
April never ever gave me an ultimatum. She never ever got.
It would have been way worse, I thought I would have.
Think I was already at a point it was like
life is so fucking exhausting just being me. Imagine having
someone else coming over the top of you to tell
you doing the wrong thing as well. Yeah, it's so
much pressure. And you know, like I said, she's got

(53:42):
a couple of things already going for that.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
He knows.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
I would say, be patient and just try and do
some things for you both that can disrupt the routine
a little bit. And then yeah, a little bit of
praise here and there is definitely really helped me. But
I think, Yeah, he's got to make that decision on
his own. I love that to her luck yeah, and
be patient with him because it's so much harder than
people think it is. Like I always joke about how

(54:07):
people say, just have one. Oh fuck, you've solved all
of my problems.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Oh you thought about that.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
I never thought about just having one. I've only ever
had fifteen at a time. And it's like, it's so
much harder than people think it is, because it becomes
it consumes you. Like I still, Like I said to
Laura and Britt on Life on Car, I said, there's
not a day or a moment where I don't think
about it. Not a moment where I don't think about it.
But I know that I'm better off without it, and

(54:34):
I know that everyone else around me is better off
without it.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
So great advice, Thank you very much, Thank you Wicklesworth.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Wicklesworth.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
If you've enjoed this episode, what do you do? Ash?

Speaker 1 (54:44):
What do you You can leave a review, You can
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Speaker 2 (54:52):
Very important. We have had a great influx of new listeners.
We might just.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Say, if you haven't listened to an episode we did
a couple of weeks ago with Jackie from the Nourish
Cycle educating us about periods. That is been going gangbusters.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Two men talking about periods.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Who would have thought?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Who would have actually learned so much? I remember I
think I did ask that question where it was like
is it attractive if I follow along my wife's cycles?
Are you yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Are you yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Well so I already kind of was because it was
in the calendar, but like we doesnt want me to.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I'm always like, it is it happening? Where are we at?
We're wearing the cycle? And she's like, shut up.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
It might be worried you're going to use it in
instam someone said.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Someone said on comments, if men were smart, they would
find out when their partners are ovulating, because that's when
the best chance of having sex.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Men are so dark alert. Yeah, I getting alert, Like, sorry, God,
it's gotta go right.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
For so long we've been just flying blind.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Oh yeah, there's so like if you understand the menstrual
cycle as a man, you have a leg up on
everyone else.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Right, So just a little little hint, this is that episode.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Imagine dating someone new, a woman you and then you're
getting familiar with each other in terms of like each
other's personalities, and then you have information and you understand
the female body.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
The biggest green flag you'll ever get in your ownire understanding.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah.

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