July 27, 2026 • 30 mins
Are America’s political divisions becoming something far more dangerous?
Joe Pags sits down with Kay Hill to examine the forces she believes are deliberately destabilizing the country—from political violence and media manipulation to cultural breakdown, foreign influence, open-border policies and growing distrust of America’s institutions.
Hill argues that a modern “civil war” may not look like armies facing each other on a battlefield. Instead, she says the conflict is already playing out through propaganda, social division and Americans being encouraged to turn against one another.
They also discuss Trump, Charlie Kirk, USAID, China, the media and the political forces shaping the country’s increasingly hostile divide.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fill me in on what you see the left doing
that suggests they want another civil war.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well, I think the first thing is like they keep
trying to kill the president, and they murdered Charlie Kirk. Yeah,
so I mean there's like big obvious things like that
Joe that I think have been So what's the word
I'm looking for. I want to say normalized, because I
don't think they are normalized. I think these are you know,
there's still so many questions about both or all of
(00:27):
Trump's worts, say like three now assassination attempts.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Right, five of your accounting the one that went tomorrow, lgo,
if you count the one that they tried to do
with the UFC, it's five.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Literally, jeez, I forgot about the UFC. Yeah, so there's
a lot. So maybe normalized is like once we see
more than three, then yeah, for sure becomes a bit
of a pattern. My sort of analysis of the situation
is not necessarily along the same sort of traditional lines
(00:57):
as like modern warfare or even like older warfare. The
way that I look at the Civil War in the
United States has a domestic obvious obviously has kind of
a domestic series of sources, and then I also kind
of look at it from a position of outside actors.
So if we're looking inside and just looking at the
(01:21):
movement that's happening here in the US, I think some
of the biggest things that stick out to me are
the obvious policies designed to degradate our sociology. So what
am I talking about here? I'm talking about things like
normalizing and accepting quote homelessness as just a normal issue
(01:43):
that every single pretty much blue city. But it happens
in every city now, but most blue cities have this issue,
right Like, they call it the homeless crisis, but that
is fundamentally not what it is. It is normalized warfare
against people with drug addictions. It's very pro crime. You
sort of take all of the worst aspects of society
(02:07):
as a whole and you lump it under this one
idea of homelessness, which is an aspect of this issue.
But we have these policies that, you know, sound really
good on the surface, like, oh, you know, we shouldn't
be criminalizing people for sleeping in the streets, things like that,
but it completely circumvents what the actual issue is and
(02:29):
it manipulates a lot of people into thinking that it
is literally a homeless crisis. So I know that that's
kind of a lot, that's a little bit of a mouthful,
but that is just one example of how I see
this civil war kind of all fitting together, and one
factor that I see coming directly exclusively from the left
(02:50):
that is designed to completely destabilize the country. And I mean,
we can get into like the fensannel crisis, opio crisis,
all these other different things.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But I'm glad you brought that up today. July twentieth,
in New York City, you had somebody show up with gasoline,
dump a bunch of gasoline out in front of a
federal building and light it on fire. So if I
were to say, kay, is the war underway? Now? Are
they trying to start a war? You would say what?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I would say, what, It's been underway for quite a while.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Actually, yeah, Wait, when do you suppose it started when
Trump won in sixteen, when they did some funny business
in the twenty twenty election. When did it start? Do
you think?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
For me and the way that I'm kind of analyzing it,
I would say that it probably started two When every
time I want to pick, every every time that I
want to pick, I go back to the origin of
that time. So I was going to say like around
two thousand and eight, but really the issues that led
to two thousand and eight were happening way before. And
(03:52):
I guess the big thing that I need to include,
Yo Joe, that I probably should have started with, is
that this isn't a traditional civil war of like leftist
is right. It looks like versus right, but what it
actually is is the elites, if you want to call
them there. I think it's just this like political class
of the country versus everyone else. And the easiest way
(04:12):
to sort of get what they want, which is this
very uh sep separated sociology and economy and all those
sorts of things where you've got very very wealthy people,
very very poor people. The easiest way to get to
that is by letting us destroy each other. But they've
definitely done things on the macro level that have helped
(04:33):
destroy us as well, And I think that everything that
led up to two thousand and eight was really the
start of that. We're actually living through a very similar
situation to two thousand and eight right now. It just
hasn't really hit the kind of it hasn't snowballed. I
guess yet to becoming a mainstream issue, but we're definitely
(04:53):
back on the way there.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Well, they're getting closer and closure though, I mean they
really are. They're getting closer and closure. You've got the
mayor of the biggest city in the country saying he
wants to arrest the leader of Israel should he come
to New York. I mean, we're there, We're on the
precipice of something really big happening. Of course, he would
be arrested if he tried to arrest inn Yahoo for kidnapping.
But having said that, let's talk more about the globalist stuff,
(05:15):
the global elites, which I think you were alluding to
a minute ago. USAID that was a big player that
wasn't really helping out, you know, the people with AIDS
in Africa. The USAID was a covert operation to arm
and militarize people that don't like us. It feels like,
did I get that right?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah? And I mean it goes way deeper and darker
than that, actually, Joe. Kind of one of the scariest
things when you look at USAID, they were also controlling
or Okay, I can't say definitively. They were because you know,
but there are certain little bits of evidence, shall we say,
(05:57):
that suggests that USAID was also controlling pop culture in
a very meaningful way, to the point.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Where it was it more than a suggestion that you're
being careful. There's more than a suggestion. I mean, these
people are taking our money to inject anti American propaganda,
right yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And it's anti American, but it's also broke down into
like different demographics within America and it targeted them in
such a way to normalize societ or decline behavior. So
like one of the top examples of this is that
like a lot of rap music is not charting right
now since you know, usage was shut down and there
(06:36):
is you know, again, I have to be careful about
it because I can't say definitively that that is the case.
But whether smoke, that's fire. And when you look at
any investigation from you know, the sort of deep scientific
staff that I used to write when I was still
working with PhD candidates, all the way through to people
who research this on the streets right now. Like I'm
a big fan of Tommy g On, like his YouTube
(06:58):
show where he goes out and interviews people who are
part of that kind of culture, and you see this
constant relationship between rap music that really pushes awful stuff
like bad treatment of women, you know, glamorizing wealth and
shooting people over you know, being decent human beings. Like
(07:21):
there is such a direct correlation between where pop culture goes,
so too does the actual society. And so I think
it's like super interesting that USAID has now you know,
gone away people like Bad Bunny, Like I think there's
even conspiracy theories. I guess online that he was being
backed by USAID and his album sales were, you know,
(07:43):
because like this is that music, Joe. It's absolutely crap,
Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Anyone, like there was somebody, there was somebody who took
the actual backbeat away from it. And you just hear him.
He's like, oh, that's like what he's It's like what
he's doing, you know what I mean. I'm like, really,
I far it sounded better than earlier. So so your
suggestion and it's a I think it's a good one.
You aren't around when rap started. The first rap song
(08:08):
that went mainstream was Rapper's Delight, and that was just
about eating dinner at your friend's house. You know what
I mean. It was about talking about macaroni and cheese.
It wasn't about you know, be move that back, let
me let me hit this, you know, let me shoot
this guy, let me sell some crack. It wasn't any
of that. So your suggestion actually does ring true in
that if there was some money or some guidance being
(08:31):
put in by USA Idea or some other entity to say, look,
go really negative on on on the family unit, go
really negative on women, make them lascivious, go really negative
on the man having to have any responsibility, and then
suddenly it starts happening. I mean, I'm getting what you're
laying down. But that's it, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
That's exactly. And it's it's tragic, Joe, because I know
that a lot of people watching this might be like, oh,
that's just like such a crazy conspiracy theory. The Southern
Paul Law Center was funding Nazis. I'm not crazy. Where
there's smoke, there's fire. Literally, So when we get to
(09:10):
you know, again, there are so many examples like this
of these far leftist groups doing things to destabilize our
society in not the kind of like you know, like
a lot of people look at Steve Bannon, say, for example,
and his like precinct strategy where he really did basically
(09:30):
what George Soros did and just targeted local level politicians
and like political group school boards things like that to
kind of push the MAGA agenda. George Soros did the
same thing with the kind of far leftist agenda. The
issue is that the far leftist agenda seems to get
most of its funding either from crazy far leftists within
our government or from foreign sources, whereas the sort of
(09:54):
mega agenda. Unfortunately, if you are anti MAGA, I'm sorry,
but like when again you look at the kind of
like science on it, the MAGA agenda actually promotes societal rebuild,
so predominantly positive things that help us maintain our civilization.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And so that's why there's such a pushback against Mega.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, basically, and most if it takes it, if Magat
takes off, let me just throw this in there, If
Magat takes off and the family unit becomes important again,
then having less reliance on government becomes important again.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
If I'm less reliant on you, you're less powerful, right.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, exactly, And that's obviously the not the end goal
of the kind of If you want to call them
like globalist leads the far left out here in the UK,
in the US, sorry, but oh and in the UK, really,
let's be honest. We throw around the word communist, we
throw at the word Marxist, socialist, but all of the
(10:53):
ideals that those kind of groups, the kind of blanket
thing that defines that kind kind of social political economic
mindset is two very separate groups, with one with a
lot of money, one completely dependent on the people with
a lot of money who exist to serve those people
with money. And so when you look at the far
(11:16):
leftist approach, we've got, you know, what I would call
in war terms, a genocide against America's mentally ill that
has been completely propped up by far leftist propaganda on
what the homeless crisis is. The open borders that I
think is actually more of a like Stalinist approach to
civil war, which is when you flood a country with
(11:39):
people who don't assimilate to local culture, use those people
that you've imported legally or illegally in most cases, use
those people to push your political end goals, and then
let the people on both sides kind of fight it
out amongst themselves. We're also seeing the same kind of
fight it out amongst themselves between sort of broader left
(12:02):
and right wing factions, and that is being pushed predominantly
by the media who are for you know, like you
just scratch the surface just a little bit. The media,
the loudest media is backed by extremist leftists who are
part of that list elite and Joe Again. People might
(12:22):
think I'm crazy, but when you look at just what's
happened in the last week with what was ABC and
NBC refusing to carry President Trump's speech, Yes, I'm sorry,
but you're just being too obvious. Now, guys like you
want us to infight amongst each other. You're manipulating the
rhetoric to make sure that you've got one group who
are supremely naive because they're not being told half of
(12:45):
what's going on. They're just being told what to think
about what they think about's going on. And then you've
got the other group of us who go, nah, I
don't like that, Like you're lying to us. We can
prove your lying to us. Why do you keep lying
to us? Do you really think we're that stupid?
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Speaker 2 (14:01):
Then they turn around and call. It's dangerous for calling them,
you know, calling them out on their behavior.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
It is okay, Hill, Kay, I appreciate. Let's let's dive
even deeper. I'm not gonna give CBS a pass because
they ran the speech. Here's why. When when Martha Brennan,
I think that's what her name is, that the woman
who does face to face or whatever. On the weekend,
she when she was asked about about the speech, she
was questioning somebody in the administration and said, we contacted China.
(14:27):
They said they didn't do it. Now, Kay, maybe I'm stupid,
but if you're China and you jumped in and tried
all you could to affect the outcome of that day
in November back in twenty twenty, are you gonna talk
to Martha Brennan over it, I think that's her name
over at CBS and say you got me. Trump said it,
and it's absolutely true. She's using the conversation with somebody
(14:49):
from China as if it's somehow true. And that's the
way you push back against with President Trump, the CIA,
the NSA, the d and I, the FBI, they all
say does a matter China said they didn't do it.
Is that part of this whole thing you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I mean, one has to question why she would say
something that stupid, like that is mentally stupid thing to say,
Like is she just that dumb that she believes that
that's how China operates?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
No, no, no, I don't think she is. No, no,
let me let me jump. I think she's doing it
because of those who are watching her. She's not dumb
enough to think China is gonna admit it. If they did,
it would be like saying, hey, dude, did you just
rob the bank? And you got him on video robbing
the bank? He said, I didn't rob any bank. What
are you talking about it? Why would I rob the bank?
So I don't think she believes it. I think this
plays into what you were talking about. It's the propaganda
(15:41):
from the inside. It's the lack of carrying the speech
from the inside. It's the outside actors like Russia and
China and Iran that would like to affect change in
this country. It's change actors like mom Donnie who are
saying and doing ridiculous things in New York. But when
it comes to this specific case, there's no way she
believes China. I don't even know she contacted China. She
(16:02):
wants those who are consuming what she's laying down to believe, well,
like checked with China, they didn't do it, So Trump's
a liar.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
It. Here's the thing that gets me, Joe, and I
think maybe this will also kind of answer the question
you asked earlier, like when did this really start? I
think a lot of this may have started really with
the complete degradation of the education system. Because there shouldn't
(16:30):
be anyone on the planet who hears someone like, yeah,
I think it's Margaret Brennan say something like oh, we
asked China and they said that they've never done anything wrong.
There shouldn't be anyone on the planet who hears that
and believes it. Everyone should sit back and go that's
(16:52):
the stupidest thing I've ever heard. But they want to
believe stand human behavior that way.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
The reason she does it is because she knows people
have TDS and they hate Trump. Listen when I posted
my interview at the CIA whistleblower, who are actually uncovered
all this stuff? In twenty twenty. When I posted that,
a response I got from somebody very quickly was well,
who was in charge of the alphabet agencies in that year,
who was in charge of the intelligence back then. So,
(17:18):
in other words, this person, instead of watching the video
learning what the whistleblower said, believes that Trump somehow purposely
had his own intellcommunity, his own ic intelligence community, somehow
helped Joe Biden in twenty twenty. That's okay. They're looking
for something they could hang their head on. Trump said it.
(17:40):
But look at this. Did you notice this? And I
mean it works on some how do we break through that?
Can we?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I think it comes from education. And I think again
that's part of this, like civil war narrative, right, if
you really want to create the best soldiers, you have
to get inside their heads. Like you can have people
who are strong, you can have people who are fast,
but really the best soldiers are the ones who think
(18:07):
how you need them to think, because then you can
kind of trust them to just go off on their
own terms and do your bidding for you, and have
them think that that was their original thought, their original purpose,
that is what they live for. Actually, it's kind of crazy.
There was a show that came out in twenty twenty.
It was really badly timed. It was called Utopia, and
(18:28):
part of the plotline in this show. Joe was this
very evil man who would raise children that he had
adopted to believe that they had this purpose in life
that they were constantly searching for. But that purpose led
to mass psychological manipulation, like children would be used essentially
(18:55):
as puppets in the media, but also in you know,
like I don't want to get into the weeds of it,
but it was this idea that all of these children,
almost like suicide bombers, if you will, were willing to
do the craziest, most awful things to themselves and to
others because they truly believed it was their purpose. And
(19:15):
that kind of psychological warfare I think really does start
in the classroom. I don't think. I know, Like again,
most people are probably going to go, oh, yeah, it's
the trans stuff, it's the gender stuff, like, yes, that's
part of it. But honestly, when you see the level
of education being provided to children in this country, in
the public education system, in the college system, it is
(19:39):
I mean, I've literally laughed at it. And this is
no offense to people who were raised in that system.
There's still a lot of people who were raised in
that system who don't think and feel that way. Usually
it's people who come from better family units, people who
maybe a little bit more well read, who are good listeners,
who are open. But there's still a huge faction of
(20:03):
people raised in the public education system who are either
so disengaged that they will just believe that everything that
they're told. Because when you're raised in an education system
that just tells you stuff, and that you have to
prove your worth by reiterating that stuff back to you know, school,
like your local school board, through exams, what have you.
(20:23):
You know, the one plus one is five. If they
wanted to push that, then it would just be anyone
that says like one plus one doesn't equal five doesn't
get to pass the exam. Right, that's how you normalize
that kind of indoctrination, that level of stupidity. I'm sorry,
there's no other word for it. Like I've seen what
they give, like so called gifted kids in the public
(20:45):
education system in terms of their curriculum, and it just
doesn't like the rest of the Western world is doing
better in terms of raising their kids. I don't want
to look at the ka and we girlp on a
whole tigent about that because like the same manipulation is OK, right.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Now, UK is really messed up. Let me let me,
let let me interject this. Who is behind the DSA?
Do you know the so called Democrat Socialists of America?
I'm glad that they're out there in the four because
they're saying the really dumb thing out loud. Like there
was one idiot on Fox this weekend and he was
asked about, well, I heard that you want to get
rid of the Senate. He's like, yeah, we believe that
(21:25):
we should get rid of the Senate. And then AOC
was asked about the Senate. She said, yeah, well, the
Senate is built on Jim Crow. The Senate was invented.
Article one was invented in eighteen eighty seven, and Jim
Crow wasn't for seventy years after that. I don't know
what the hell she's talking about. So they're wrong about it,
but they're saying this quiet part out loud. So A,
do you know who's supporting inspired? It must be Soros?
(21:47):
Ad guess maybe you know better? And B are you
as glad as I am that they're saying out loud
what it is they want to do, because then then
I think we can shut them down.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Uh so A, I think definitely Soros obviously is one
of them. But Joe, isn't it scarier to realize that
we don't actually know who funds a lot of it? Yeah,
you can go on Open Secrets and you can look
up a bunch of names and you can see the X,
Y and Z blah blah blah blah blah. We don't
actually know where that money comes from. Like people, it
(22:17):
is so easy to manipulate finances, So we don't actually
know where any of those pennies are coming from, like
not a single one. We have a rough guestimation from
a website that you know is a brilliant resource, but
again can be mass manipulated just like every other human.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Let's say, I mean we want to get rid of
the Senate. Okay, no, you know what I mean. It
just seems really idiotic to tell us.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
But again, like within the idiocracy, there's always going to
be a grain of truth. And so the kind of
drip feeding these kind of like the sort of linguistic
patterning then if you will, of the day democrats, they
drip feed really well. And so when you drip feed
a population a consistent rhetoric, again, creates those perfect soldiers,
(23:08):
the people who think, you know, oh, I you know,
I would love to get rid of the Senate because
it's the only way that we can save democracy. Like
they might start now saying stupid stuff like this, and
everyone calls it out as stupid, but give it five
years and people will believe that they've always felt that
we should get rid of a Senate. And like we've
seen that consistently. We've seen that throughout the sort of
(23:30):
coastal regions in California. We've seen that kind of drip
feeding effect. Yeah, like New York just elected as socialist
and again go back to that like arresting Benjamin Nett
and Yahoo thing. I want to be really careful when
like most of what I'm describing today is just stuff
(23:50):
that's happening domestically. I think the DSA definitely has a
lot of foreign interference in terms of funding and contry,
But there's a big difference between like the actual what's
happening here on the ground right now on what outside
actors are doing. Because I would classify I don't think
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i'd want to classify what's happening a civil war if
we're going to include everything that's coming in from foreign actors.
And I think we talked about it as well, like
last week with the death of Lindsay Graham, so the
rumor going round that he was actually killed in Ukraine
(24:31):
and it was a Russian operation. That would turn anything
that's happening here in the US like and anything that
continues to happen into a full on world war. But
right now there's still so many actors within the US
that are just within the US that are sort of
causing the complete societal breakdown to the point where we
(24:53):
do see normalized violence from the left doesn't come from
the right. Again, SPLC literally funding Nazis out there, et cetera,
et cetera.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
But for those who don't know, the SBLC is alleged
to a funded the Charlottesville protest pretending to be right
wing white supremacists when they're in fact getting paid for
and organized by the SPLC. That's a really big deal.
But we become very naive to it. I know that
you've got you've got a bit on here, and we've
only got two or three minutes left. What is this
normalization of naivete? What is that? Are we are we
(25:26):
purposely walking around with blinders on. Has that been forced
upon us?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah? And I think that comes from, you know, again,
degradation of the education system. I think consistent media and
social media rhetoric that goes towards those sort of very
extreme leftist end goals. Mass psychological warfare. I would say
that this civil war is almost more psychological than it
is physical. But the only reason I'm saying that is
(25:51):
because again USAID disappeared. What have we not had this year?
Loads of screaming, violent process We've had some, you know,
we've had the sum like the ones outside of the
illegal immigration detention centers, things like that, but not run scale.
I didn't think of running.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I had no idea. I mean, you're right, you just
nailed it. I mean, we are not seeing the mass
protest that we were seeing, and I mean your suggestion
is that it makes me sick to my stomach, like
I want to want to vomit. They were taking our
money and funding a lot of these protests. It looks
like legedly could be. I think my opinion is if
they were doing that with our tax dollars, shutting down
(26:32):
USA idea was one of the biggest things that we
possibly could have done for the for the betterment of
this country.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yep. And I think it'll probably go down in all
the history textbooks as a horrible attack by Donald Trump
on regular working people. Yeah, exactly. So, Again, like you said,
we can't prove the USAID was necessarily going towards all
those protests and all the violence that we've seen over
the last few years. But I do think it's kind
(27:00):
of telling. Again, there's patterns here, and they keep adding up,
and so yeah, ultimately, I think that the naivety comes
from people who think that, you know, oh, homelessness is
so compassionate, Oh the you know, the black community is
completely downtrodden and you know, can't do anything for themselves,
(27:25):
which we fundamentally know is like not true, right. I
think that they're a you know, the education system being
torn down. I mean, the education system was run by
a woman who didn't have kids for like the longest time, right,
you know, we could go on. There's just so many
of these different things that I think people have just
allowed to happen because they're told that that's how it
(27:48):
should be by a massively controlled media. It starts when
they're young, during childhood, and if you can't break the
cycle and go out and learn and think for yourself,
or you know, engage in discourse with people that maybe
you don't agree with. You're just going to get stuck
in those echo chambers and you're going to think that you're,
you know, an absolute hero and a warrior and a
(28:11):
good soldier for trying to assassinate the president. And it's
just Yeah, the civil war is psychological for sure. And
I don't know what happens next, but we've won a
couple of battles recently, I think, with shutting down USAID
potentially being one of them. So yeah, I guess we'll
see it.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Is k Hill go and follow everywhere Casemithill dot com.
You can go online and go follow O K. Hill everywhere.
See her on Newsmax as well. I'll finish with this.
China and Russia and Iran love this, but they're not
sitting back in the wings. Is there evidence that they
financially are supporting the the inner implosion or the attempt
at inner implosion of this country?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Oh yeah, particularly China Russia. I don't know as much
on but China. Look, we know that China sends spy here.
They don't shy away from that. We know that China
is fueling the fentanyl crisis. We know that China has
normalized consumerism in America to the point where we could
do a whole episode Joe on just how consumerism has
(29:15):
made us the most unstable civilization ever, because there are
a majority of people where if they can't get their
Amazon delivery, or if they can't pop down to the
shops and get what they need immediately, their entire lives
would fall apart. We are nine meals away from complete
societal collapse at any given time because of consumerism. And
(29:38):
that is all been championed by China. And you know
the sweatshop churn out of just stuff and things. So
I think in a broader sense, China is responsible for
a huge amount of our issues financially. Politically, I mean,
(30:00):
so many leftists have been links. Sorry, I don't know
why I'm laughing. I think it's just because it's like
so insane, Like how many leftist politicians, progressive politicians have
been linked to Chinese spies and just China in general. Again,
I don't know as much about the rusher of it,
but China for sure is definitely involved.
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Fill me in on what you see the left doing
that suggests they want another civil war.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well, I think the first thing is like they keep
trying to kill the president, and they murdered Charlie Kirk. Yeah,
so I mean there's like big obvious things like that
Joe that I think have been So what's the word
I'm looking for. I want to say normalized, because I
don't think they are normalized. I think these are you know,
there's still so many questions about both or all of
(00:27):
Trump's worts, say like three now assassination attempts.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Right, five of your accounting the one that went tomorrow, lgo,
if you count the one that they tried to do
with the UFC, it's five.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Literally, jeez, I forgot about the UFC. Yeah, so there's
a lot. So maybe normalized is like once we see
more than three, then yeah, for sure becomes a bit
of a pattern. My sort of analysis of the situation
is not necessarily along the same sort of traditional lines
(00:57):
as like modern warfare or even like older warfare. The
way that I look at the Civil War in the
United States has a domestic obvious obviously has kind of
a domestic series of sources, and then I also kind
of look at it from a position of outside actors.
So if we're looking inside and just looking at the
(01:21):
movement that's happening here in the US, I think some
of the biggest things that stick out to me are
the obvious policies designed to degradate our sociology. So what
am I talking about here? I'm talking about things like
normalizing and accepting quote homelessness as just a normal issue
(01:43):
that every single pretty much blue city. But it happens
in every city now, but most blue cities have this issue,
right Like, they call it the homeless crisis, but that
is fundamentally not what it is. It is normalized warfare
against people with drug addictions. It's very pro crime. You
sort of take all of the worst aspects of society
(02:07):
as a whole and you lump it under this one
idea of homelessness, which is an aspect of this issue.
But we have these policies that, you know, sound really
good on the surface, like, oh, you know, we shouldn't
be criminalizing people for sleeping in the streets, things like that,
but it completely circumvents what the actual issue is and
(02:29):
it manipulates a lot of people into thinking that it
is literally a homeless crisis. So I know that that's
kind of a lot, that's a little bit of a mouthful,
but that is just one example of how I see
this civil war kind of all fitting together, and one
factor that I see coming directly exclusively from the left
(02:50):
that is designed to completely destabilize the country. And I mean,
we can get into like the fensannel crisis, opio crisis,
all these other different things.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But I'm glad you brought that up today. July twentieth,
in New York City, you had somebody show up with gasoline,
dump a bunch of gasoline out in front of a
federal building and light it on fire. So if I
were to say, kay, is the war underway? Now? Are
they trying to start a war? You would say what?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I would say, what, It's been underway for quite a while.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Actually, yeah, Wait, when do you suppose it started when
Trump won in sixteen, when they did some funny business
in the twenty twenty election. When did it start? Do
you think?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
For me and the way that I'm kind of analyzing it,
I would say that it probably started two When every
time I want to pick, every every time that I
want to pick, I go back to the origin of
that time. So I was going to say like around
two thousand and eight, but really the issues that led
to two thousand and eight were happening way before. And
(03:52):
I guess the big thing that I need to include,
Yo Joe, that I probably should have started with, is
that this isn't a traditional civil war of like leftist
is right. It looks like versus right, but what it
actually is is the elites, if you want to call
them there. I think it's just this like political class
of the country versus everyone else. And the easiest way
(04:12):
to sort of get what they want, which is this
very uh sep separated sociology and economy and all those
sorts of things where you've got very very wealthy people,
very very poor people. The easiest way to get to
that is by letting us destroy each other. But they've
definitely done things on the macro level that have helped
(04:33):
destroy us as well, And I think that everything that
led up to two thousand and eight was really the
start of that. We're actually living through a very similar
situation to two thousand and eight right now. It just
hasn't really hit the kind of it hasn't snowballed. I
guess yet to becoming a mainstream issue, but we're definitely
(04:53):
back on the way there.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Well, they're getting closer and closure though, I mean they
really are. They're getting closer and closure. You've got the
mayor of the biggest city in the country saying he
wants to arrest the leader of Israel should he come
to New York. I mean, we're there, We're on the
precipice of something really big happening. Of course, he would
be arrested if he tried to arrest inn Yahoo for kidnapping.
But having said that, let's talk more about the globalist stuff,
(05:15):
the global elites, which I think you were alluding to
a minute ago. USAID that was a big player that
wasn't really helping out, you know, the people with AIDS
in Africa. The USAID was a covert operation to arm
and militarize people that don't like us. It feels like,
did I get that right?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah? And I mean it goes way deeper and darker
than that, actually, Joe. Kind of one of the scariest
things when you look at USAID, they were also controlling
or Okay, I can't say definitively. They were because you know,
but there are certain little bits of evidence, shall we say,
(05:57):
that suggests that USAID was also controlling pop culture in
a very meaningful way, to the point.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Where it was it more than a suggestion that you're
being careful. There's more than a suggestion. I mean, these
people are taking our money to inject anti American propaganda,
right yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And it's anti American, but it's also broke down into
like different demographics within America and it targeted them in
such a way to normalize societ or decline behavior. So
like one of the top examples of this is that
like a lot of rap music is not charting right
now since you know, usage was shut down and there
(06:36):
is you know, again, I have to be careful about
it because I can't say definitively that that is the case.
But whether smoke, that's fire. And when you look at
any investigation from you know, the sort of deep scientific
staff that I used to write when I was still
working with PhD candidates, all the way through to people
who research this on the streets right now. Like I'm
a big fan of Tommy g On, like his YouTube
(06:58):
show where he goes out and interviews people who are
part of that kind of culture, and you see this
constant relationship between rap music that really pushes awful stuff
like bad treatment of women, you know, glamorizing wealth and
shooting people over you know, being decent human beings. Like
(07:21):
there is such a direct correlation between where pop culture goes,
so too does the actual society. And so I think
it's like super interesting that USAID has now you know,
gone away people like Bad Bunny, Like I think there's
even conspiracy theories. I guess online that he was being
backed by USAID and his album sales were, you know,
(07:43):
because like this is that music, Joe. It's absolutely crap,
Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Anyone, like there was somebody, there was somebody who took
the actual backbeat away from it. And you just hear him.
He's like, oh, that's like what he's It's like what
he's doing, you know what I mean. I'm like, really,
I far it sounded better than earlier. So so your
suggestion and it's a I think it's a good one.
You aren't around when rap started. The first rap song
(08:08):
that went mainstream was Rapper's Delight, and that was just
about eating dinner at your friend's house. You know what
I mean. It was about talking about macaroni and cheese.
It wasn't about you know, be move that back, let
me let me hit this, you know, let me shoot
this guy, let me sell some crack. It wasn't any
of that. So your suggestion actually does ring true in
that if there was some money or some guidance being
(08:31):
put in by USA Idea or some other entity to say, look,
go really negative on on on the family unit, go
really negative on women, make them lascivious, go really negative
on the man having to have any responsibility, and then
suddenly it starts happening. I mean, I'm getting what you're
laying down. But that's it, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
That's exactly. And it's it's tragic, Joe, because I know
that a lot of people watching this might be like, oh,
that's just like such a crazy conspiracy theory. The Southern
Paul Law Center was funding Nazis. I'm not crazy. Where
there's smoke, there's fire. Literally, So when we get to
(09:10):
you know, again, there are so many examples like this
of these far leftist groups doing things to destabilize our
society in not the kind of like you know, like
a lot of people look at Steve Bannon, say, for example,
and his like precinct strategy where he really did basically
(09:30):
what George Soros did and just targeted local level politicians
and like political group school boards things like that to
kind of push the MAGA agenda. George Soros did the
same thing with the kind of far leftist agenda. The
issue is that the far leftist agenda seems to get
most of its funding either from crazy far leftists within
our government or from foreign sources, whereas the sort of
(09:54):
mega agenda. Unfortunately, if you are anti MAGA, I'm sorry,
but like when again you look at the kind of
like science on it, the MAGA agenda actually promotes societal rebuild,
so predominantly positive things that help us maintain our civilization.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And so that's why there's such a pushback against Mega.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, basically, and most if it takes it, if Magat
takes off, let me just throw this in there, If
Magat takes off and the family unit becomes important again,
then having less reliance on government becomes important again.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
If I'm less reliant on you, you're less powerful, right.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, exactly, And that's obviously the not the end goal
of the kind of If you want to call them
like globalist leads the far left out here in the UK,
in the US, sorry, but oh and in the UK, really,
let's be honest. We throw around the word communist, we
throw at the word Marxist, socialist, but all of the
(10:53):
ideals that those kind of groups, the kind of blanket
thing that defines that kind kind of social political economic
mindset is two very separate groups, with one with a
lot of money, one completely dependent on the people with
a lot of money who exist to serve those people
with money. And so when you look at the far
(11:16):
leftist approach, we've got, you know, what I would call
in war terms, a genocide against America's mentally ill that
has been completely propped up by far leftist propaganda on
what the homeless crisis is. The open borders that I
think is actually more of a like Stalinist approach to
civil war, which is when you flood a country with
(11:39):
people who don't assimilate to local culture, use those people
that you've imported legally or illegally in most cases, use
those people to push your political end goals, and then
let the people on both sides kind of fight it
out amongst themselves. We're also seeing the same kind of
fight it out amongst themselves between sort of broader left
(12:02):
and right wing factions, and that is being pushed predominantly
by the media who are for you know, like you
just scratch the surface just a little bit. The media,
the loudest media is backed by extremist leftists who are
part of that list elite and Joe Again. People might
(12:22):
think I'm crazy, but when you look at just what's
happened in the last week with what was ABC and
NBC refusing to carry President Trump's speech, Yes, I'm sorry,
but you're just being too obvious. Now, guys like you
want us to infight amongst each other. You're manipulating the
rhetoric to make sure that you've got one group who
are supremely naive because they're not being told half of
(12:45):
what's going on. They're just being told what to think
about what they think about's going on. And then you've
got the other group of us who go, nah, I
don't like that, Like you're lying to us. We can
prove your lying to us. Why do you keep lying
to us? Do you really think we're that stupid?
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Speaker 2 (14:01):
Then they turn around and call. It's dangerous for calling them,
you know, calling them out on their behavior.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
It is okay, Hill, Kay, I appreciate. Let's let's dive
even deeper. I'm not gonna give CBS a pass because
they ran the speech. Here's why. When when Martha Brennan,
I think that's what her name is, that the woman
who does face to face or whatever. On the weekend,
she when she was asked about about the speech, she
was questioning somebody in the administration and said, we contacted China.
(14:27):
They said they didn't do it. Now, Kay, maybe I'm stupid,
but if you're China and you jumped in and tried
all you could to affect the outcome of that day
in November back in twenty twenty, are you gonna talk
to Martha Brennan over it, I think that's her name
over at CBS and say you got me. Trump said it,
and it's absolutely true. She's using the conversation with somebody
(14:49):
from China as if it's somehow true. And that's the
way you push back against with President Trump, the CIA,
the NSA, the d and I, the FBI, they all
say does a matter China said they didn't do it.
Is that part of this whole thing you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I mean, one has to question why she would say
something that stupid, like that is mentally stupid thing to say,
Like is she just that dumb that she believes that
that's how China operates?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
No, no, no, I don't think she is. No, no,
let me let me jump. I think she's doing it
because of those who are watching her. She's not dumb
enough to think China is gonna admit it. If they did,
it would be like saying, hey, dude, did you just
rob the bank? And you got him on video robbing
the bank? He said, I didn't rob any bank. What
are you talking about it? Why would I rob the bank?
So I don't think she believes it. I think this
plays into what you were talking about. It's the propaganda
(15:41):
from the inside. It's the lack of carrying the speech
from the inside. It's the outside actors like Russia and
China and Iran that would like to affect change in
this country. It's change actors like mom Donnie who are
saying and doing ridiculous things in New York. But when
it comes to this specific case, there's no way she
believes China. I don't even know she contacted China. She
(16:02):
wants those who are consuming what she's laying down to believe, well,
like checked with China, they didn't do it, So Trump's
a liar.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
It. Here's the thing that gets me, Joe, and I
think maybe this will also kind of answer the question
you asked earlier, like when did this really start? I
think a lot of this may have started really with
the complete degradation of the education system. Because there shouldn't
(16:30):
be anyone on the planet who hears someone like, yeah,
I think it's Margaret Brennan say something like oh, we
asked China and they said that they've never done anything wrong.
There shouldn't be anyone on the planet who hears that
and believes it. Everyone should sit back and go that's
(16:52):
the stupidest thing I've ever heard. But they want to
believe stand human behavior that way.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
The reason she does it is because she knows people
have TDS and they hate Trump. Listen when I posted
my interview at the CIA whistleblower, who are actually uncovered
all this stuff? In twenty twenty. When I posted that,
a response I got from somebody very quickly was well,
who was in charge of the alphabet agencies in that year,
who was in charge of the intelligence back then. So,
(17:18):
in other words, this person, instead of watching the video
learning what the whistleblower said, believes that Trump somehow purposely
had his own intellcommunity, his own ic intelligence community, somehow
helped Joe Biden in twenty twenty. That's okay. They're looking
for something they could hang their head on. Trump said it.
(17:40):
But look at this. Did you notice this? And I
mean it works on some how do we break through that?
Can we?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I think it comes from education. And I think again
that's part of this, like civil war narrative, right, if
you really want to create the best soldiers, you have
to get inside their heads. Like you can have people
who are strong, you can have people who are fast,
but really the best soldiers are the ones who think
(18:07):
how you need them to think, because then you can
kind of trust them to just go off on their
own terms and do your bidding for you, and have
them think that that was their original thought, their original purpose,
that is what they live for. Actually, it's kind of crazy.
There was a show that came out in twenty twenty.
It was really badly timed. It was called Utopia, and
(18:28):
part of the plotline in this show. Joe was this
very evil man who would raise children that he had
adopted to believe that they had this purpose in life
that they were constantly searching for. But that purpose led
to mass psychological manipulation, like children would be used essentially
(18:55):
as puppets in the media, but also in you know,
like I don't want to get into the weeds of it,
but it was this idea that all of these children,
almost like suicide bombers, if you will, were willing to
do the craziest, most awful things to themselves and to
others because they truly believed it was their purpose. And
(19:15):
that kind of psychological warfare I think really does start
in the classroom. I don't think. I know, Like again,
most people are probably going to go, oh, yeah, it's
the trans stuff, it's the gender stuff, like, yes, that's
part of it. But honestly, when you see the level
of education being provided to children in this country, in
the public education system, in the college system, it is
(19:39):
I mean, I've literally laughed at it. And this is
no offense to people who were raised in that system.
There's still a lot of people who were raised in
that system who don't think and feel that way. Usually
it's people who come from better family units, people who
maybe a little bit more well read, who are good listeners,
who are open. But there's still a huge faction of
(20:03):
people raised in the public education system who are either
so disengaged that they will just believe that everything that
they're told. Because when you're raised in an education system
that just tells you stuff, and that you have to
prove your worth by reiterating that stuff back to you know, school,
like your local school board, through exams, what have you.
(20:23):
You know, the one plus one is five. If they
wanted to push that, then it would just be anyone
that says like one plus one doesn't equal five doesn't
get to pass the exam. Right, that's how you normalize
that kind of indoctrination, that level of stupidity. I'm sorry,
there's no other word for it. Like I've seen what
they give, like so called gifted kids in the public
(20:45):
education system in terms of their curriculum, and it just
doesn't like the rest of the Western world is doing
better in terms of raising their kids. I don't want
to look at the ka and we girlp on a
whole tigent about that because like the same manipulation is OK, right.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Now, UK is really messed up. Let me let me,
let let me interject this. Who is behind the DSA?
Do you know the so called Democrat Socialists of America?
I'm glad that they're out there in the four because
they're saying the really dumb thing out loud. Like there
was one idiot on Fox this weekend and he was
asked about, well, I heard that you want to get
rid of the Senate. He's like, yeah, we believe that
(21:25):
we should get rid of the Senate. And then AOC
was asked about the Senate. She said, yeah, well, the
Senate is built on Jim Crow. The Senate was invented.
Article one was invented in eighteen eighty seven, and Jim
Crow wasn't for seventy years after that. I don't know
what the hell she's talking about. So they're wrong about it,
but they're saying this quiet part out loud. So A,
do you know who's supporting inspired? It must be Soros?
(21:47):
Ad guess maybe you know better? And B are you
as glad as I am that they're saying out loud
what it is they want to do, because then then
I think we can shut them down.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Uh so A, I think definitely Soros obviously is one
of them. But Joe, isn't it scarier to realize that
we don't actually know who funds a lot of it? Yeah,
you can go on Open Secrets and you can look
up a bunch of names and you can see the X,
Y and Z blah blah blah blah blah. We don't
actually know where that money comes from. Like people, it
(22:17):
is so easy to manipulate finances, So we don't actually
know where any of those pennies are coming from, like
not a single one. We have a rough guestimation from
a website that you know is a brilliant resource, but
again can be mass manipulated just like every other human.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Let's say, I mean we want to get rid of
the Senate. Okay, no, you know what I mean. It
just seems really idiotic to tell us.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
But again, like within the idiocracy, there's always going to
be a grain of truth. And so the kind of
drip feeding these kind of like the sort of linguistic
patterning then if you will, of the day democrats, they
drip feed really well. And so when you drip feed
a population a consistent rhetoric, again, creates those perfect soldiers,
(23:08):
the people who think, you know, oh, I you know,
I would love to get rid of the Senate because
it's the only way that we can save democracy. Like
they might start now saying stupid stuff like this, and
everyone calls it out as stupid, but give it five
years and people will believe that they've always felt that
we should get rid of a Senate. And like we've
seen that consistently. We've seen that throughout the sort of
(23:30):
coastal regions in California. We've seen that kind of drip
feeding effect. Yeah, like New York just elected as socialist
and again go back to that like arresting Benjamin Nett
and Yahoo thing. I want to be really careful when
like most of what I'm describing today is just stuff
(23:50):
that's happening domestically. I think the DSA definitely has a
lot of foreign interference in terms of funding and contry,
But there's a big difference between like the actual what's
happening here on the ground right now on what outside
actors are doing. Because I would classify I don't think
(24:10):
i'd want to classify what's happening a civil war if
we're going to include everything that's coming in from foreign actors.
And I think we talked about it as well, like
last week with the death of Lindsay Graham, so the
rumor going round that he was actually killed in Ukraine
(24:31):
and it was a Russian operation. That would turn anything
that's happening here in the US like and anything that
continues to happen into a full on world war. But
right now there's still so many actors within the US
that are just within the US that are sort of
causing the complete societal breakdown to the point where we
(24:53):
do see normalized violence from the left doesn't come from
the right. Again, SPLC literally funding Nazis out there, et cetera,
et cetera.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
But for those who don't know, the SBLC is alleged
to a funded the Charlottesville protest pretending to be right
wing white supremacists when they're in fact getting paid for
and organized by the SPLC. That's a really big deal.
But we become very naive to it. I know that
you've got you've got a bit on here, and we've
only got two or three minutes left. What is this
normalization of naivete? What is that? Are we are we
(25:26):
purposely walking around with blinders on. Has that been forced
upon us?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah? And I think that comes from, you know, again,
degradation of the education system. I think consistent media and
social media rhetoric that goes towards those sort of very
extreme leftist end goals. Mass psychological warfare. I would say
that this civil war is almost more psychological than it
is physical. But the only reason I'm saying that is
(25:51):
because again USAID disappeared. What have we not had this year?
Loads of screaming, violent process We've had some, you know,
we've had the sum like the ones outside of the
illegal immigration detention centers, things like that, but not run scale.
I didn't think of running.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I had no idea. I mean, you're right, you just
nailed it. I mean, we are not seeing the mass
protest that we were seeing, and I mean your suggestion
is that it makes me sick to my stomach, like
I want to want to vomit. They were taking our
money and funding a lot of these protests. It looks
like legedly could be. I think my opinion is if
they were doing that with our tax dollars, shutting down
(26:32):
USA idea was one of the biggest things that we
possibly could have done for the for the betterment of
this country.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yep. And I think it'll probably go down in all
the history textbooks as a horrible attack by Donald Trump
on regular working people. Yeah, exactly. So, Again, like you said,
we can't prove the USAID was necessarily going towards all
those protests and all the violence that we've seen over
the last few years. But I do think it's kind
(27:00):
of telling. Again, there's patterns here, and they keep adding up,
and so yeah, ultimately, I think that the naivety comes
from people who think that, you know, oh, homelessness is
so compassionate, Oh the you know, the black community is
completely downtrodden and you know, can't do anything for themselves,
(27:25):
which we fundamentally know is like not true, right. I
think that they're a you know, the education system being
torn down. I mean, the education system was run by
a woman who didn't have kids for like the longest time, right,
you know, we could go on. There's just so many
of these different things that I think people have just
allowed to happen because they're told that that's how it
(27:48):
should be by a massively controlled media. It starts when
they're young, during childhood, and if you can't break the
cycle and go out and learn and think for yourself,
or you know, engage in discourse with people that maybe
you don't agree with. You're just going to get stuck
in those echo chambers and you're going to think that you're,
you know, an absolute hero and a warrior and a
(28:11):
good soldier for trying to assassinate the president. And it's
just Yeah, the civil war is psychological for sure. And
I don't know what happens next, but we've won a
couple of battles recently, I think, with shutting down USAID
potentially being one of them. So yeah, I guess we'll
see it.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Is k Hill go and follow everywhere Casemithill dot com.
You can go online and go follow O K. Hill everywhere.
See her on Newsmax as well. I'll finish with this.
China and Russia and Iran love this, but they're not
sitting back in the wings. Is there evidence that they
financially are supporting the the inner implosion or the attempt
at inner implosion of this country?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Oh yeah, particularly China Russia. I don't know as much
on but China. Look, we know that China sends spy here.
They don't shy away from that. We know that China
is fueling the fentanyl crisis. We know that China has
normalized consumerism in America to the point where we could
do a whole episode Joe on just how consumerism has
(29:15):
made us the most unstable civilization ever, because there are
a majority of people where if they can't get their
Amazon delivery, or if they can't pop down to the
shops and get what they need immediately, their entire lives
would fall apart. We are nine meals away from complete
societal collapse at any given time because of consumerism. And
(29:38):
that is all been championed by China. And you know
the sweatshop churn out of just stuff and things. So
I think in a broader sense, China is responsible for
a huge amount of our issues financially. Politically, I mean,
(30:00):
so many leftists have been links. Sorry, I don't know
why I'm laughing. I think it's just because it's like
so insane, Like how many leftist politicians, progressive politicians have
been linked to Chinese spies and just China in general. Again,
I don't know as much about the rusher of it,
but China for sure is definitely involved.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
It is Kay Hill. We always appreciate you coming on
K every Monday. Make sure you check it out and
make sure that you subscribe. Click that subscribe button. Every
money you're getting K. She's breaking down stuff. I asked
her to research stuff. She offers up to different topics
and one of the best researchers on the planet. Plus
she's awesome. Kay, Thank you so much, Thank you Joe.
That's it for und Shaking un Afraid this time. Make
sure you subscribe. Another one to drop very soon.
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