August 2, 2026 • 30 mins
Former SEAL Team 6 operator Rob O'Neill joins Joe Pags for an unfiltered breakdown of the most critical issues facing our nation—from corporate cover-ups in veteran healthcare to the dangerous reality of foreign policy and military preparedness.
In this explosive conversation, Rob reveals what really happened when he met with Donald Trump regarding breakthrough veteran health treatments, why pharmaceutical interests continue to block life-saving cures, and the truth about U.S. military stockpiles, intelligence failures, and growing tensions in the Middle East.
🔥 Key Topics Covered
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The Veteran Health Cover-Up: Rob O’Neill’s direct meeting with Donald Trump regarding Ibogaine and why pharmaceutical hurdles stand between veterans and recovery.
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Iran & Geopolitical Tensions: Boots on the ground vs. strategic strikes, backdoor diplomacy, and the reality of regional proxy wars.
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U.S. Military Readiness: Analyzing munitions stockpiles, defense leadership, and the role of modern intelligence and AI on the battlefield.
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Israel & Intelligence Strategy: Deconstructing military intelligence, regional alliances, and strategic decision-making.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Because right now we have to go to Mexico because
(00:01):
Big Pharma won't let it here because it's a cure
and they don't want a cure.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
There's no money in the cure. There's a lot of
money in the treatment for stuff. And you heard him right,
that's the man that got been laden and Rob O'Neil.
He says big Pharma is blocking a cure that could
save our veterans. We get into that in Earnest a
little bit later in the interview. Don't miss that part.
We start though, with this expert analysis on what's going
on in Iran. You gotta see this. So let's talk
about what we're seeing in the Middle East right now.
(00:25):
You and I have talked about this extensively for years now,
that Iran is the financier of all the bad stuff
going on in that region. Iran is doing it its
level best to push its form of Sharia Islam on
the entire region. Kill the Jews, take out America, and
now we're taking action against them. First of all, are
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you for what we're doing in Iran right now?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Well, it's I mean to say, if I'm for it
is a difficult one because I'm for the for our
obviously the United States, Yes, for a Western ideology. I
don't want to see sure real law anywhere. It's difficult
me to say. I this administration is really really good
at keeping it its cards near near its chest.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
They're not saying much.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
The issue that I have is they want to do
with an air campaign and an air campaign only, and
I don't think I don't think that's possible. And I've
said that before. If if we can hit hard and
back off, that would be great. But the problem is
all Iran needs to do is wait it out. They
they the populace doesn't have really any weapons. If we
arm him where it was, damn if we do, Damn
if we don't. So they need to sit there and
(01:33):
let the left wing media all over the world just
destroy the administration. All they got to do is wait
it out and try to keep the straights horm moves
in conflict. And they're they're gonna win if they just
hold it out.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
And then the problem with US is you need boots
on the ground. And I ran twice the size of Iraq.
I mean, this is a typical case of them not
listening to the people on the ground. It's all, it's
it's I and Iraq. In two thousand and three, it
was what the SHEI are gonna rise up and they're
going to, uh, you know, rise up against the dam
because he's just so.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
And people on the.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Ground like me were like, what if they don't, But
the GENII in Congress will they will?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, but what if they don't, well they will same
thing with they run.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
And you know, it's convenient both both countries have been
two weeks away from weapons of mass destruction for past
twenty five, thirty forty years, you know, stuff like that.
It's like how many times a're you gonna do something
before you realize it's not working.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yes, I wanted to succeed.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yes, I believe the people administration want a better planet
for their families. But at some point, if you keep
doing the same thing over and over and it doesn't
work and then he gets sucked into a war, somewhere,
insanity is defined.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, I think that you and I are on the
same page. I was not for us going in. I
was fine with us taking out the nuclear facilities last year.
I thought that was enough to stop them from doing
whatever we were told they were doing. I was not
for us going in, But you, like me, want us
to win. If you're gonna go in, be victorious. If
you're gonna go in, make them surrender. If you're going
to go in, have an absolute decisive victory. But instead
we've got this MoU that's now dead that the number
(02:54):
six gives them three hundred billion dollars. Number seven says
going to lift all the sanctions, and their pr guy
came out the next and said, we just defeated two
nuclear powers. I guess we are a superpower now.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You can't negotiate with these people, can you.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
No, you can't. And all they're doing when they give
us a minor seat.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
The reason we're targeting excavators now is because they're getting
a month long ceasefire. All the stuff we bomb, they're
moving it out of the way, the cave enters, they're
bringing the missiles out, fire them and put them back
in there. I mean, in a nutshell, they're doing that.
They're not getting to negotiate me. You hear people in
the administration who are rational say, well, we're dealing with
crazy people. You're not dealing with crazy people. You're dealing
with twelve vers. You're dealing with ideologues.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yes, these are people as much as I believe in Jesus.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
They know the twelfth the mom is here in a
format where he's waiting for end of time, he's bringing it.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
They know this. Why do you think these people love death?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's not like people that go over there and see
this part of the world and come back and say
we're different.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
We're not lying to you.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And they honestly believe this more than your crazy aunt
a Thanksgiving who tells you how she's worried about your salvation.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
They know if they.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Destroy the world, they're going to their version of paradise.
Their version of paradise happens to be a brothel. And
the more head did you cut off of the infidel
you get there? Which how you can't see what kind
of a religion or just the death cult that is.
But again talking in circles, I did it before before
nine to eleven. I've done an after nine to eleven.
I did it before the invasion of Iraq, after we
pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I'm doing it now is we Invandi run?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So it's like, I mean, what you know, patterns seem
to if you don't warn from history, you repeat it,
repeating it again.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
There is no thirst in this country for any ground
troops from US. If Israel wants to put in ground troops,
go ahead. But I don't want to I don't want
to see that. I don't think you want to see that.
The people watching listening don't want to see that either.
No American ground troops. We saw Afghanistan, we saw Iraq.
What a mess. So how do you defeat them and
make them surrender, make them understand they're not going to
win without putting in ground troops, can you?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well, that's the good news, because Donald Trump master of
the art of the deal there.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
If you don't think there's.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Not backdoor deals going on right now, everything to include
personal wealth and power and what happens when the new
regime rises up, that's going on in the back. There's
there's a reason we hit the drug boards boats before
we put into Venezuela and took Padua. Probably a backdoor
deal with him too, to get that supply of the
heavy crew that we're going in there.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I mean, we're obviously dealing with Israel, we're also dealing.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
With Egypt and cutter in Pakistan countries who are friendly
with Iran, but sort of friendly with us as well.
There's backdoor deal's on right now. As long as they
can keep good guys like you and me yelling, not yell,
but yelling with each other and people are arguing, the
backdoor deals are going to be a lot smoother. You
might have noticed too that everything that comes out in
the media is not necessarily the truth. A lot of
counter of intelligence going on too. I'm hopeful at that too.
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I mean it's hopefully in a couple of years it'll
be one of those things we barely noticed as slight
spike and oil prices and we have here wrong. We
do now hopefully. I've been optimistic about a lot of things.
Some come true, some don't, so we're kind of batting.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Not Neil maybe decent for the miners.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
The operator Go and check out his podcast. It is,
of course Robert jay O'Neil, Rob Do we have special
operators in there now?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Do you think I would say? So?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
There's stuff that goes on that isn't necessarily We get
pilots shot down and then we have a couple of
seed one thirties go in to rescue him.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Takes a weekend. Stuff like that I'm not saying.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know, I know some of my guys from my
former squads, and we're in there shooting it out, and
I've heard some some pretty good stories even though even
they're close hold, close, closely held.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Stuff is going on in there.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, I mean, we've always had boots on the ground
and there, whether it's our intel or whether it's our
allies intel or some of the stuff that other people have,
but a full I mean, we if it comes to
I hate the term boots on the ground because we're
broad just you know, we're painting it a broadbrush stroke.
Whatever I'm trying to say here as I talk and
I think fast, but don't talk fast enough.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Now you do.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You've got to keep it on the island and on
the coast.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
We got to hit the drone factory stuff like that,
and just get to get a foothold there.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I don't want to see troops on the ground probably
having short answered yes.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I mean, and when we think troops on the ground,
were thinking battalions of infantry and that's not happening right now.
But there are Americans on the ground there. How do
you how do you defeat a country that that has
a theocracy that thinks it's in charge, well you and
I know the ira GC really is in charge. And
even with the so called ceasefire with the MoU, the
ira GC said, screw you, We're still going to blow
up some ships in the in the strait. How do
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you deal with that when you've got two alleged leaderships.
I don't think they're agreeing with each other all the time.
In one country.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, they respond to forcing that part of the world
really really well. That you can see the dictators do work.
But the ones who are in charge, just because they
have the guns, you can hit their purse strings. Even
though even some of the most religious Zelots do understand,
they still.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Want to keep their house in Dubai. So you start
choking them.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Off with the with the the interest that we had
on funds withheld instead of giving it back to him,
we start paying off the ships that are getting hurt and.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Just start bleeding dry.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
It's they're down a couple hundred million a month just
based on stuff like that. So just got to keep
bleeding them. And I mean you do have to play
a little bit of the long game. We you know,
we right now with our phones on our face we
want immediate satisfaction. I want the answers, but I want
it easy because I'm also a victim. So it's I mean,
we're juggling stuff right now, especially with AI lying to
us disinformation on our phones at the blink of an eye.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I mean, it's I'm just happy.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I'm not in the trenches fight right now, because you know,
before you get time to handwrite a letter home, you
get hit with this drone from behind.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
It's madness out there, right, it is Robert J.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
O'Neil. Go and check out the Operator podcast. You still
can go watch The Operator over on Netflix too, right.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, we just on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
We just had a manhunt Osama bin Lad and I
think it's called I was on there with Admiral Bill
mccrave and he was the commander of the mission who
sold the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Netflix did a really good job based on that's ones,
based on the intelligence folks who found bin Laden and
more on the pilots, which I think people really should know.
Any knucklehead like making carry a sledge hammer in a
gun and get point of the right direction, go with
you know, twenty two of your best friends who are
all braver than you, are as easy. But the finer point,
that's what else too. You know, I can get on
here and tell you what we should and shouldn't be doing.
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There are people a lot smarter than me who are
making decisions behind the scenes and putting the spider webs together.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
We're gonna win this thing.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
It's just as a matter how much how much tilt
will we take at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It is Robert j O'Neill. Rob you're very smart guy.
Don't denigrate your intelligence. But having said all of that,
Joe Kent is out there, and I like Joe Kent.
He was on my show several times. I think that
I was, you know, instrumental in helping him run for
office in Washington State. But he's out there and he's
talking to anybody and everybody now saying that Israel made
us join them going into Iran. Now, I know that
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I'm stupid, not anywhere near as smart as you, and
not as smart as the Intel guys. But I know
that we're the big Satan and they're the little Satan.
Can the little can our little brother in the Middle East?
Israel really make us do something?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It's going into this I I'd like to take it line
by line. With my experience being so many different places,
working with and against so many foreign entities, you got
to realize everybody down to the individual, has their own
personal interests in mind. Israel definitely has an interest in
destroying Iran. They're they're they're responsible financially for all the
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crap going.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
On around him basically.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So I mean, yeah, there, I think, yeah, they're gonna
skew a little bit of their intel geared towards us,
hitting them with them, or even for them.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, but there's other sides of it too.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But you know, Pakistan hit Osama bin Lan from its
people do all over the place. I would honestly, line
by line, possibly, would we alter stuff in our best interests? Yeah,
we do all the time. So you know everybody does
that too, pound for pound. You know how my hedging,
I bet my bet is with Israel the way I
look at it, like the way I look at Donald Trump.
He wants a better world for his grandchildren's great grandchildren.
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When I hedge my bet, do I want to live
with Israel or under Syria? I'm going with Israel. But
it's not every I'm going to agree sometimes vehemently on
a lot of their stuff. But at the end of
the day, when it comes down to three of us
have a gun, which two are on which side?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And that's It's a great perspective. But people want to
split the right in this country, conservatism in this country,
where you're the pro Israel or against Israel, pro a
pack or against a pack. I don't play that game. Listen.
Israel to me is the promised land offered to the
chosen people to be on that land. You know how
I found out. My grandfather told me. And my grandfather
came straight from Italy. He came from the Holy Area.
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So I have no disdain for Israel having a Jewish state.
Having said that, I can criticize Natya who all I want,
But I'm full through and through love America, guy, Rob,
And there's no way I think America can be tricked
to go in. But I love how you just said it.
Israel's gonna be pro Israel, and they're gonna get make
sure the intel looks like pro Israel and anti Iran.
(11:18):
And then but then we get to make the decision. Natanya,
who can't force Trump to do anything? Right?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I know, I don't think so I mean there are
bad apples in Israel. There are bad apples in the
Democrat Party. They are bad apples the Republican Party and
even trying to split it up, like saying, well, the
left of the right. You know, if we got rid
of the left and the right, that would be fantastic too.
I wouldn't mind not having all the lobbyists like a pack,
just to seriously line by line in a crazy government
where there are representatives from different districts that have their
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best interests in mind. That would be nuts, you know,
instead of like national election for senators and things like that.
I mean, if we did a clean sweep through Washington
and just started over, that would be ideal. But yeah,
it would be Yeah, you gotta dance with the girl
you brought. So that's what we're kind of doing right now.
Just I mean, it's a matter of whether or not
we can get on the treadmill to drop a few
lb before we take the picture.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Robert J O'Neil dot com Robert J O'Neil dot com,
go check out the Operator podcast. Follow him Mickhuyah it's
mc h o o y a h on all the
social media. He's a great follow let's get into what
we've learned about this about our military from this conflict,
and what I mean is how are stockpiles, how are
we performing? How about the inclusion of AI. I guess
(12:23):
Grock helped to pinpoint where these these bad guys were,
the Ayatolas and the next people in line. How would
you rate what we're finding out about our military in
this in this conflict.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I mean, the good news about the military is I
don't think we're ever going to run out of munitions
and tanks and planes and ships, because at some point
someone has a buddy who makes that sort of stuff
and he works in the government, so they have the
contracts and they are going to keep those contracts, either
being at war or fear of being at war, which
is how the military industrial complished wheas. That's why Eisenhower
warn us about it in his last speech.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
So that's gonna be there. We're not gonna run out.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And when you hear we're running out, that's so you'll vote,
Oh my god, we need more. Let's get more funding,
like we just I mean, we're funding this war now.
We just were refunding and we're not running out. So
there were good morales high. I mean, look, Pete Hegseth.
As far as I can tell, sorry, Secretary of Hexith
is the most popular Secretary of Defense, Secretary of war
we've ever had. He's probably the first to go out
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there and peet with the troops, knock out you know,
bench press three hundred pounds like this.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
This is cool, Morales high. They're going to keep the funding.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And you know, literally the marines on the ground, the army,
the soldiers on the ground, the sailor's, the pilots, they
all love the raw ross stuff. It's you know, they'd
rather that than have the you know, I was raised
fighting with two moms crap like that, so that's good.
Whenever going out of bonds, will always be able to fight.
I just you know, it's you know, I'm fifty now,
so I'm questioning morality at some points because when I
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was young and the Seal fight in the war, I
was so happy. The history books were just written by
the good guys and they always won. Now it's like,
let's take a let's take a pause and realize that
most people in combat zones are just trying to get
on with their lives and just try to help them
instead of always, you know, treating him as the enemy.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I want to go from what you just said to this,
because it's an actual segue. I think you and I
talked either the last time or the time before, and
you said that you were in a state of mind
where you had to go make a trip pretty soon
and go get some stuff that would help you through that.
I know that our government is looking into what you
were talking to me about right now. Is Doug Collins
is the VA. Is the President opening that door enough
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for you to wear veterans who need some help, you know,
getting getting their head back together after going and serving
so valiantly. Is that door open enough? Are we getting
the stuff that you were telling me about last time.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yes, I was able to get into the White House,
actually the all the office with President Trump back in April.
I actually left a vacation off the Gulf coast of Florida,
which is my favorite, flew up there to talk about
IVE again. We had myself, Marcus and Morgan Latrell, Marcus Capone,
Navy Seals, and then some of the doctors up there
executive order to get IB again into the VA and
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into the United States, because right now we have to
go to Mexico because big farmer won't let it here
because it's a cure and they don't want to cure.
There's no money in the cure. There's a lot of
money in the treatment for stuff especially. But I begain
A is a plant based medicine. It's thousands of years
old from gabone, a root of the boga tree in Africa.
And when you take the medicine go on the journey.
(15:15):
It just opened your mind to look at itself and
the way the reader's digest when we back, when we
read books, it shakes everything you have loosed. You can't
get away from it because you can't lie to yourself.
Then we do a session of five DMT, which is
the God molecule, where it cleans everything out and basically
what it did for me because you know we can
now I can agree today that I sometimes I'm not
as smart as I want to be. But it got
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rid of the crazy because what I began does is
it says you need to learn how to forgive yourself
to the point of embarrassment, because there are certain things,
even in confession you may not say you know what
they are.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Don't be embarrassed. The forgiveness is here. Now do it
for yourself.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And that's that's really veterans that I know that especially
some of the staunch combat guys said that everything got
better when they learned to love themselves. And that's all
ibagame does with You'll hear the naysayers say it's club drug.
The last thing you the last thing you want to
do taking out again is even stand up.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
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Speaker 1 (17:19):
You need to be laying down with the medical team
and they administer it to you. That's how we take
in Mexico, and hopefully now with President Trump signing that
order an executive order a few months ago, we're able
to ramp it up for everybody, not just for veterans.
We all have trauma. Everyone's had a childhood something's gone wrong.
This is a part of the healing process.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
My father was in the Air Force. I was not
in the military. I don't have that firsthand experience. Your
job was to go and kill the bad guys. So
you've just said something that I had I'd never even considered.
You said that it teaches you how to forgive yourself.
Is there some inherent guilt in a war fighter after
doing what it is that you're charged with doing, because
as you're doing it, you're focused on it. Later, Is
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there this cascade of feelings, emotions and guilt because what
it is that you were charged with doing.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, usually a survivor's guilt, and that would be something
as simple as well, the guy in front of me
chose to go left, so I went right and he
didn't make it, or I tried to get on that
helicopter but couldn't. Then they were shot down and they
all died, or even with me, it's been certain.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I'm convinced that everyone I killed, and it was a lot,
we're all bad guys that would do ill to myself,
to you, to my family. But there are moments where
I realized, if I had taken a second, maybe I
didn't need to do it.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Maybe I could have met this dude in a different
part of the world.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Maybe he had a joke, because right now, in the moment,
I decided to kill him.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Everything this thirty year old man ever.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Cared about I'm taking away, including his soul now, and
you just you do wonder about that and then, and
that's even part of the medicine, where so you think
of people like that when you're on your journey. It's
not a psychedelic trip. It's a journey through your own mind.
And it's the guys that I've seen. It was never
a he forgives me or I forgive you nonsense.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
It's more of a we were.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Supposed to meet stuff like that. And it again, it's
not closure, it's just healing, and it's it's so hard
to describe it. I've never heard anyone quite describe it.
But for me, it's almost like you go to judgment
and they sort of say it's on you.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You need to forgive yourself.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I've had PTSD explain to me. I never realized it
until somebody called my show about fifteen years ago and said,
you have to understand, we're not just having flashbacks. We
are now back in the moment PTSD is I am
doing it all over again and I'm in that same
situation and reality is what I'm seeing in my brain.
Does this albigane stuff? Does it take care of that too?
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Does it work on that too?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah? It kind of clears everything for me.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I was working on anger and alcohol and I managed
to quit alcohol, all tobacco.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I quit smoking. I didn't even mean to. I've done.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I began three times, but the first time I went,
I didn't. I didn't really want people to know I went.
So I went to one of their houses for more
of a detox, and there was a married couple there
addicted to heroin.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I saw them both get cured overnight.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
When they woke up the next Yeah, when they woke
up the next day. The woman, I mean, I'm talking
addicts that were this is their last chance. She the
woman was upset at first. She's like, I didn't have
any any visions, I didn't see anything. And the doctor said,
are you do you want heroin? And she almost gags.
She goes, no, it's disgusting. He goes, so you're not
dope sick and she said no, and he goes, well,
you got twelve hours of sleep and now you're cured,
and it was unbelievable. That was That was my first experience.
(20:16):
Then I started talking to more veterans about it. Marcus
the Trail's done it a couple of times. All Dakota
Myers done it, Marcus Cappone, all the guys I mentioned,
they've all done. And you know what's crazy, most of them,
like me, complete completely quit drinking to the point where
it doesn't even make sense. But most of them, including me,
find Jesus. Uh literally go back into the church and
now just the hunger to find out more. It's it's
(20:38):
it's it's a it's almost it's so fulfilling. I don't
even want to preach to people. I'm willing to answer questions,
but just knowing that I found what I need to find.
And it's not my job to judge you, but it's
gonna happen eventually. So uh, it pays to be a
good person too.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
No, I'm with you. It is Rob O'Neil. Make sure
you go check them out Mick huya over on the
social media, check out the Operator podcast. Go to Robert J.
O'Neil dot com and go check that out. Let's talk
about Ukraine. We're finding out something about drone fighting that
I don't think we knew before Ukraine. What specifically is
it that we're seeing and how does that change the
war theater going forward?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, well, I mean with the drones that they're changing
as fast as AI and I mean we're seeing we
personally have drones that are flying drone bombers that have
drone fighters inside of them, and then we all this
is happening. We have an F sixteen that we sold,
your crane shoot down a Russian fighter and those are
two men fighting and out.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
We think.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
The I mean the drone stuff right now, it just
it makes the World War one trenches better because at
least there you could duck for a minute. The drones
they're now flying them, they've can fly them through doors
and houses. They look for you, and it's so bad
and they're so numb to it, like they taunt people
before they kill them. This is again, like I'm someone
(21:47):
to say, if you can, if you can talk to
your talk to your phone and a voice responds, you're
talking to a demon. That's what these drones are doing too.
You gotta be very very careful again with your spirituality.
But there are a lot of things you can do,
but should you.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Rob, how does that conflict end Russia? It will not
lose through attrition. Ukraine doesn't have the military might to
actually have a victory that we would consider, you know,
in a war sense. But we don't want Russia to
take any Dunbass that it wants any time it won
So how does that end? This has been going on
for more than four years now, Well.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
It's been going on a long yeah, a long long time,
and I mean we haven't even been getting the truth
since the beginning. Obviously, you know, I went The first
time I went to Ukraine was in nineteen ninety eight
as a young navy c obviously pre nine to eleven.
And even then I recognize how corrupt Ukraine was. Seeing
some and don't get me wrong, especially as a young
enlisted sailor, it is awesome to work for a corrupt government.
But you can just see all the all the shady
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stuff going in.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
And out of there. And then it never became a
part of NATO.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But everyone's got investments there, I mean the obvious stuff
with the bidens and yeah, yeah, the Vladimir Putin's playing
the part where they make the native tongue of Russian
illegal in don Bassen, they're being persecuted. And then just
that there's a vast history there too, before World War two,
before World War One of what's going on. So a
lot of history, a lot of death on both sides.
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I wish, I mean, an end would be for everyone
to stop killing each other, but thank goodness, we have
money and power, so that will never happen.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Well, we have entire generations of young men dead. They're gone.
In Ukraine. I hear what you're laying down, and it's
important that people understand that this isn't just putin trying
to take land. There's something deeper than that. It does
go back to World War One. Ukraine was on the
side of the Nazis. In World War Two. We know
that we don't know who Zelensky really is other than
an actor that was placed there, probably by us. And
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then the oligarch stuff with the Bidens and well beyond,
we're not getting the inside scoop on that either. So
the over the overriding feeder that we're told about this
whole thing is that Russia just wants to re establish
the Soviet Union. Do you think that's what they're trying to.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Do, I mean sort of, but they're they're trying to
rebuild their futures in their legacy because don't think for
a second we've gotten the truth about everything either. I mean,
you even know that how George Patton died and the
rumors are he was coming back saying that we fought
on the wrong side and again with the.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Then suddenly a car crash and he's dead, right, well.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
He's dead when he yeah, he didn't die in a
car crash. He died like Princess Diana when he's getting
fixed in the hospital and all of a sudden, you know,
and why is ann hesh uh fighting for a life
before fireman for some reason put her in the back
of an ambulance.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That doesn't happen either.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
By the way, right, there's there's weird stuff that we
don't get to, I mean, are the biggest problem we
have is we believe everything on television we have since inception,
and it's it's you know, it's it's one of those
things where when I start having the internal dialogue inside
my own brain where I'm asking myself a question, knowing
the truth is a short answer.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I'd much rather be one of those people.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Who doesn't have an internal dialogue and just walks to
work every day and comes home at five it has
dinner show and does the same thing every day, because
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
It all comes down to it.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You know, water and food is free on this planet,
but somehow we started selling it to each other. So
that's where man comes in corruption everything with our books,
in our commerce. So I mean, I don't even know
where I'm going with this, but I take it line
by line, and I'm at a point in life where
what I say is what I think is the truth.
If I'm wrong, I'll accept it if it's If it's not.
If someone was offended, that's their problem, that's it.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, what's also good is that you don't just say
what you think is the truth. You researched it and
you have a reason why you say it's the truth.
It's the same model that I live by. I mean,
if you don't have that creed, then then who are you?
But you're right? On social media, on TV, on fill
in the blank, every single day there's a different person
with a different take and they really are convinced that
they're right. Do you think we'll ever find out really
(25:24):
what's going on with Ukraine. I believe a lot of
what we're told about about Iran. It certainly is the
funder and the financier of the bad guys around the world.
They certainly have killed an American every six days on
average through terrorism. But when it comes to Russia and Ukraine,
I mean, Vladimir Putin is a bad guy in my opinion.
But having said that, he also really believed Bill Clinton
(25:44):
when Clinton acted like he was going to enter him
into into Nado, and he really did feel like he
was going to be part of that world community. What
he'd been a good part. Probably not, he probably would
have been a bad part. But there are promises and
things that the world community has said to all these
different players that never ever was true. So how do
you how do you sip through that and and figure
out how do you stop the killing in Ukraine? I
(26:05):
don't even know how you do that?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Well.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I mean, so Vladimir Putin grew up in a part
of Russia where for fun they would chase rat as
kids chase rats with sticks, and he learned, uh, vicious animals,
A cornered rat. I mean, that's that's the kind of
guy he is. Also he's KGB, so yeah, he's a
bad person. Probably the richest man in the world too,
when we wouldn't come down to brass ash. But yeah,
it's when we get a little bit of honesty, is
(26:28):
when we can find a result, when we get an
unredacted Epstein report. Yeah, we'll start getting to the bottom
of stuff because it's all buried to crap like that.
I mean, people say stuff on television because they're being
blackmail people do stuff in Congress because they're being blackmailed.
It's the classic honeypot. It's it's a lot more. Uh,
it happens all the time.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
It Yeah, on once we find out who the.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Real power guys are, who the real investors are, the
real bankers are, who's pulling the strings and like the
private clubs and stuff like that, we'll get the truth.
But you know, they're feeding us garbage, taxing us more,
and then they're taking our taxes for corrupt one hundred percent.
Like it's it's it's very very shady by right, like
they have us so backwards.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
We actually believe we're in a free country.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Like look a look at your bills, look at the taxes,
whether you pay for when you die, you get taxed.
The property you only get tax I don't want to
talk about taxes, but it's uh, yeah, we're not.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
They're just they're bs and us. And then we have
the TV on.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Well, you're one hundred percent right. I mean, I don't
know my property because of all the taxes I have
to pay. If I don't pay it, they could take it.
And certainly you can't not pay the IRS. Although they
promised it would never be over seven percent, you know
now it's up at forty percent or thirty five percent,
wherever the hell it is. You're right, we're being lied to.
We're not as free as we think we are, and
all of that needs to to. We have to have
a come to Jesus moment in this in this country
that said, do you think Epstein was a Masad or Cia?
(27:39):
He couldn't. He couldn't just have been some guy that
invited people to uh to an island and blackmailed the moment.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You get to a certain level, the Massad the Cia
are the same people.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Okay, but yeah he was both.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I mean, I wasn't there again too, I do I
have proof, Noah, But I'm a I'm a fifty year
old man with a ton of combat experience. I've been
to a lot of countries, talk to a lot of people,
been around the world at least twice. I'm a golden
shell black, which is to say, uh, which why I
crossed the primary and the equator at the same time,
allegedly because we live on a globe. We don't even
know that anymore according to the Internet. So what I'm
saying right now again, at face value, I'm going to
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tell you what I think. And you can usually tell
the person telling the truth because blah blah boom. You
can tell the person lying ah no no because of this,
and it could do that, and we get do this,
we did the thought blah blah blah blah blah blah.
I mean like for some reason Utah's coming to mind.
Just you just when you need to keep when you
need to keep enforcing the truth, it might not be
the truth.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
It's like to.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Say, it's the same way a politician talks and then applaud.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
They're all doing that, they're all doing anything.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Just think, think outside the box and pretend that maybe
your party's lying to you.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Maybe you shouldn't be voting for a party.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But yeah, I mean we're the Epstein list is a
prime you know, even with this administration.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, we're gonna know you're not.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, three three million redacted files have been released, and
allegedly there are a lot more. Why can't we know
all of it? Was Trump and informant back in the day.
Is you afraid to release that guesse? He definitely was,
you know, calling the authorities about Epstein. We need to
know exactly I feel what that was. I don't know
if it's ever going to happen. Let me finish with
this row because I love your knowledge and love I
love spending time with you. China. As we're focused on Iran,
(29:08):
as we're focused on Malle, it looks like we might
be Molly whatever the hell that is, might be doing
military action there. As we're focused on Venezuela, as we're
taking a look at Cuba, what's China doing.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
China's lying about how many people they have and their
economy is going to collapse. That's pretty much at the
one child rule rule really affected them poorly, and that
we the way that we hit Iran and Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
All of it's a squeeze on on them.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
It's a squeeze on their energy, and that they don't
have energy, they can't invade Taiwan. And that's what a
lot of this is about. It's about the Western hemisphere
and our way of life. And so I don't I
think if I mean China cares about China and no,
that doesn't evenan they care about the Chinese people.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Incredible insight from Rob O'Neil. I always love sitting down
with the man that God, Bin Laden. Check out whose
podcast called The Operator. Get his book by the same name.
Check out the mini series on Netflix. That's it for
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Because right now we have to go to Mexico because
(00:01):
Big Pharma won't let it here because it's a cure
and they don't want a cure.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
There's no money in the cure. There's a lot of
money in the treatment for stuff. And you heard him right,
that's the man that got been laden and Rob O'Neil.
He says big Pharma is blocking a cure that could
save our veterans. We get into that in Earnest a
little bit later in the interview. Don't miss that part.
We start though, with this expert analysis on what's going
on in Iran. You gotta see this. So let's talk
about what we're seeing in the Middle East right now.
(00:25):
You and I have talked about this extensively for years now,
that Iran is the financier of all the bad stuff
going on in that region. Iran is doing it its
level best to push its form of Sharia Islam on
the entire region. Kill the Jews, take out America, and
now we're taking action against them. First of all, are
(00:46):
you for what we're doing in Iran right now?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Well, it's I mean to say, if I'm for it
is a difficult one because I'm for the for our
obviously the United States, Yes, for a Western ideology. I
don't want to see sure real law anywhere. It's difficult
me to say. I this administration is really really good
at keeping it its cards near near its chest.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
They're not saying much.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
The issue that I have is they want to do
with an air campaign and an air campaign only, and
I don't think I don't think that's possible. And I've
said that before. If if we can hit hard and
back off, that would be great. But the problem is
all Iran needs to do is wait it out. They
they the populace doesn't have really any weapons. If we
arm him where it was, damn if we do, Damn
if we don't. So they need to sit there and
(01:33):
let the left wing media all over the world just
destroy the administration. All they got to do is wait
it out and try to keep the straights horm moves
in conflict. And they're they're gonna win if they just
hold it out.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
And then the problem with US is you need boots
on the ground. And I ran twice the size of Iraq.
I mean, this is a typical case of them not
listening to the people on the ground. It's all, it's
it's I and Iraq. In two thousand and three, it
was what the SHEI are gonna rise up and they're
going to, uh, you know, rise up against the dam
because he's just so.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
And people on the.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Ground like me were like, what if they don't, But
the GENII in Congress will they will?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, but what if they don't, well they will same
thing with they run.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
And you know, it's convenient both both countries have been
two weeks away from weapons of mass destruction for past
twenty five, thirty forty years, you know, stuff like that.
It's like how many times a're you gonna do something
before you realize it's not working.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yes, I wanted to succeed.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yes, I believe the people administration want a better planet
for their families. But at some point, if you keep
doing the same thing over and over and it doesn't
work and then he gets sucked into a war, somewhere,
insanity is defined.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, I think that you and I are on the
same page. I was not for us going in. I
was fine with us taking out the nuclear facilities last year.
I thought that was enough to stop them from doing
whatever we were told they were doing. I was not
for us going in, But you, like me, want us
to win. If you're gonna go in, be victorious. If
you're gonna go in, make them surrender. If you're going
to go in, have an absolute decisive victory. But instead
we've got this MoU that's now dead that the number
(02:54):
six gives them three hundred billion dollars. Number seven says
going to lift all the sanctions, and their pr guy
came out the next and said, we just defeated two
nuclear powers. I guess we are a superpower now.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You can't negotiate with these people, can you.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
No, you can't. And all they're doing when they give
us a minor seat.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
The reason we're targeting excavators now is because they're getting
a month long ceasefire. All the stuff we bomb, they're
moving it out of the way, the cave enters, they're
bringing the missiles out, fire them and put them back
in there. I mean, in a nutshell, they're doing that.
They're not getting to negotiate me. You hear people in
the administration who are rational say, well, we're dealing with
crazy people. You're not dealing with crazy people. You're dealing
with twelve vers. You're dealing with ideologues.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yes, these are people as much as I believe in Jesus.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
They know the twelfth the mom is here in a
format where he's waiting for end of time, he's bringing it.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
They know this. Why do you think these people love death?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's not like people that go over there and see
this part of the world and come back and say
we're different.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
We're not lying to you.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And they honestly believe this more than your crazy aunt
a Thanksgiving who tells you how she's worried about your salvation.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
They know if they.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Destroy the world, they're going to their version of paradise.
Their version of paradise happens to be a brothel. And
the more head did you cut off of the infidel
you get there? Which how you can't see what kind
of a religion or just the death cult that is.
But again talking in circles, I did it before before
nine to eleven. I've done an after nine to eleven.
I did it before the invasion of Iraq, after we
pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I'm doing it now is we Invandi run?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So it's like, I mean, what you know, patterns seem
to if you don't warn from history, you repeat it,
repeating it again.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
There is no thirst in this country for any ground
troops from US. If Israel wants to put in ground troops,
go ahead. But I don't want to I don't want
to see that. I don't think you want to see that.
The people watching listening don't want to see that either.
No American ground troops. We saw Afghanistan, we saw Iraq.
What a mess. So how do you defeat them and
make them surrender, make them understand they're not going to
win without putting in ground troops, can you?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well, that's the good news, because Donald Trump master of
the art of the deal there.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
If you don't think there's.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Not backdoor deals going on right now, everything to include
personal wealth and power and what happens when the new
regime rises up, that's going on in the back. There's
there's a reason we hit the drug boards boats before
we put into Venezuela and took Padua. Probably a backdoor
deal with him too, to get that supply of the
heavy crew that we're going in there.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I mean, we're obviously dealing with Israel, we're also dealing.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
With Egypt and cutter in Pakistan countries who are friendly
with Iran, but sort of friendly with us as well.
There's backdoor deal's on right now. As long as they
can keep good guys like you and me yelling, not yell,
but yelling with each other and people are arguing, the
backdoor deals are going to be a lot smoother. You
might have noticed too that everything that comes out in
the media is not necessarily the truth. A lot of
counter of intelligence going on too. I'm hopeful at that too.
(05:26):
I mean it's hopefully in a couple of years it'll
be one of those things we barely noticed as slight
spike and oil prices and we have here wrong. We
do now hopefully. I've been optimistic about a lot of things.
Some come true, some don't, so we're kind of batting.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Not Neil maybe decent for the miners.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
The operator Go and check out his podcast. It is,
of course Robert jay O'Neil, Rob Do we have special
operators in there now?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Do you think I would say? So?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
There's stuff that goes on that isn't necessarily We get
pilots shot down and then we have a couple of
seed one thirties go in to rescue him.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Takes a weekend. Stuff like that I'm not saying.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know, I know some of my guys from my
former squads, and we're in there shooting it out, and
I've heard some some pretty good stories even though even
they're close hold, close, closely held.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Stuff is going on in there.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, I mean, we've always had boots on the ground
and there, whether it's our intel or whether it's our
allies intel or some of the stuff that other people have,
but a full I mean, we if it comes to
I hate the term boots on the ground because we're
broad just you know, we're painting it a broadbrush stroke.
Whatever I'm trying to say here as I talk and
I think fast, but don't talk fast enough.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Now you do.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You've got to keep it on the island and on
the coast.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
We got to hit the drone factory stuff like that,
and just get to get a foothold there.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I don't want to see troops on the ground probably
having short answered yes.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I mean, and when we think troops on the ground,
were thinking battalions of infantry and that's not happening right now.
But there are Americans on the ground there. How do
you how do you defeat a country that that has
a theocracy that thinks it's in charge, well you and
I know the ira GC really is in charge. And
even with the so called ceasefire with the MoU, the
ira GC said, screw you, We're still going to blow
up some ships in the in the strait. How do
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you deal with that when you've got two alleged leaderships.
I don't think they're agreeing with each other all the time.
In one country.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, they respond to forcing that part of the world
really really well. That you can see the dictators do work.
But the ones who are in charge, just because they
have the guns, you can hit their purse strings. Even
though even some of the most religious Zelots do understand,
they still.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Want to keep their house in Dubai. So you start
choking them.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Off with the with the the interest that we had
on funds withheld instead of giving it back to him,
we start paying off the ships that are getting hurt and.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Just start bleeding dry.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
It's they're down a couple hundred million a month just
based on stuff like that. So just got to keep
bleeding them. And I mean you do have to play
a little bit of the long game. We you know,
we right now with our phones on our face we
want immediate satisfaction. I want the answers, but I want
it easy because I'm also a victim. So it's I mean,
we're juggling stuff right now, especially with AI lying to
us disinformation on our phones at the blink of an eye.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I mean, it's I'm just happy.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I'm not in the trenches fight right now, because you know,
before you get time to handwrite a letter home, you
get hit with this drone from behind.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
It's madness out there, right, it is Robert J.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
O'Neil. Go and check out the Operator podcast. You still
can go watch The Operator over on Netflix too, right.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, we just on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
We just had a manhunt Osama bin Lad and I
think it's called I was on there with Admiral Bill
mccrave and he was the commander of the mission who
sold the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Netflix did a really good job based on that's ones,
based on the intelligence folks who found bin Laden and
more on the pilots, which I think people really should know.
Any knucklehead like making carry a sledge hammer in a
gun and get point of the right direction, go with
you know, twenty two of your best friends who are
all braver than you, are as easy. But the finer point,
that's what else too. You know, I can get on
here and tell you what we should and shouldn't be doing.
(08:39):
There are people a lot smarter than me who are
making decisions behind the scenes and putting the spider webs together.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
We're gonna win this thing.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
It's just as a matter how much how much tilt
will we take at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It is Robert j O'Neill. Rob you're very smart guy.
Don't denigrate your intelligence. But having said all of that,
Joe Kent is out there, and I like Joe Kent.
He was on my show several times. I think that
I was, you know, instrumental in helping him run for
office in Washington State. But he's out there and he's
talking to anybody and everybody now saying that Israel made
us join them going into Iran. Now, I know that
(09:14):
I'm stupid, not anywhere near as smart as you, and
not as smart as the Intel guys. But I know
that we're the big Satan and they're the little Satan.
Can the little can our little brother in the Middle East?
Israel really make us do something?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It's going into this I I'd like to take it line
by line. With my experience being so many different places,
working with and against so many foreign entities, you got
to realize everybody down to the individual, has their own
personal interests in mind. Israel definitely has an interest in
destroying Iran. They're they're they're responsible financially for all the
(09:47):
crap going.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
On around him basically.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So I mean, yeah, there, I think, yeah, they're gonna
skew a little bit of their intel geared towards us,
hitting them with them, or even for them.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, but there's other sides of it too.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But you know, Pakistan hit Osama bin Lan from its
people do all over the place. I would honestly, line
by line, possibly, would we alter stuff in our best interests? Yeah,
we do all the time. So you know everybody does
that too, pound for pound. You know how my hedging,
I bet my bet is with Israel the way I
look at it, like the way I look at Donald Trump.
He wants a better world for his grandchildren's great grandchildren.
(10:21):
When I hedge my bet, do I want to live
with Israel or under Syria? I'm going with Israel. But
it's not every I'm going to agree sometimes vehemently on
a lot of their stuff. But at the end of
the day, when it comes down to three of us
have a gun, which two are on which side?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And that's It's a great perspective. But people want to
split the right in this country, conservatism in this country,
where you're the pro Israel or against Israel, pro a
pack or against a pack. I don't play that game. Listen.
Israel to me is the promised land offered to the
chosen people to be on that land. You know how
I found out. My grandfather told me. And my grandfather
came straight from Italy. He came from the Holy Area.
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So I have no disdain for Israel having a Jewish state.
Having said that, I can criticize Natya who all I want,
But I'm full through and through love America, guy, Rob,
And there's no way I think America can be tricked
to go in. But I love how you just said it.
Israel's gonna be pro Israel, and they're gonna get make
sure the intel looks like pro Israel and anti Iran.
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And then but then we get to make the decision. Natanya,
who can't force Trump to do anything? Right?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I know, I don't think so I mean there are
bad apples in Israel. There are bad apples in the
Democrat Party. They are bad apples the Republican Party and
even trying to split it up, like saying, well, the
left of the right. You know, if we got rid
of the left and the right, that would be fantastic too.
I wouldn't mind not having all the lobbyists like a pack,
just to seriously line by line in a crazy government
where there are representatives from different districts that have their
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best interests in mind. That would be nuts, you know,
instead of like national election for senators and things like that.
I mean, if we did a clean sweep through Washington
and just started over, that would be ideal. But yeah,
it would be Yeah, you gotta dance with the girl
you brought. So that's what we're kind of doing right now.
Just I mean, it's a matter of whether or not
we can get on the treadmill to drop a few
lb before we take the picture.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Robert J O'Neil dot com Robert J O'Neil dot com,
go check out the Operator podcast. Follow him Mickhuyah it's
mc h o o y a h on all the
social media. He's a great follow let's get into what
we've learned about this about our military from this conflict,
and what I mean is how are stockpiles, how are
we performing? How about the inclusion of AI. I guess
(12:23):
Grock helped to pinpoint where these these bad guys were,
the Ayatolas and the next people in line. How would
you rate what we're finding out about our military in
this in this conflict.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I mean, the good news about the military is I
don't think we're ever going to run out of munitions
and tanks and planes and ships, because at some point
someone has a buddy who makes that sort of stuff
and he works in the government, so they have the
contracts and they are going to keep those contracts, either
being at war or fear of being at war, which
is how the military industrial complished wheas. That's why Eisenhower
warn us about it in his last speech.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
So that's gonna be there. We're not gonna run out.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And when you hear we're running out, that's so you'll vote,
Oh my god, we need more. Let's get more funding,
like we just I mean, we're funding this war now.
We just were refunding and we're not running out. So
there were good morales high. I mean, look, Pete Hegseth.
As far as I can tell, sorry, Secretary of Hexith
is the most popular Secretary of Defense, Secretary of war
we've ever had. He's probably the first to go out
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there and peet with the troops, knock out you know,
bench press three hundred pounds like this.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
This is cool, Morales high. They're going to keep the funding.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And you know, literally the marines on the ground, the army,
the soldiers on the ground, the sailor's, the pilots, they
all love the raw ross stuff. It's you know, they'd
rather that than have the you know, I was raised
fighting with two moms crap like that, so that's good.
Whenever going out of bonds, will always be able to fight.
I just you know, it's you know, I'm fifty now,
so I'm questioning morality at some points because when I
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was young and the Seal fight in the war, I
was so happy. The history books were just written by
the good guys and they always won. Now it's like,
let's take a let's take a pause and realize that
most people in combat zones are just trying to get
on with their lives and just try to help them
instead of always, you know, treating him as the enemy.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I want to go from what you just said to this,
because it's an actual segue. I think you and I
talked either the last time or the time before, and
you said that you were in a state of mind
where you had to go make a trip pretty soon
and go get some stuff that would help you through that.
I know that our government is looking into what you
were talking to me about right now. Is Doug Collins
is the VA. Is the President opening that door enough
(14:21):
for you to wear veterans who need some help, you know,
getting getting their head back together after going and serving
so valiantly. Is that door open enough? Are we getting
the stuff that you were telling me about last time.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yes, I was able to get into the White House,
actually the all the office with President Trump back in April.
I actually left a vacation off the Gulf coast of Florida,
which is my favorite, flew up there to talk about
IVE again. We had myself, Marcus and Morgan Latrell, Marcus Capone,
Navy Seals, and then some of the doctors up there
executive order to get IB again into the VA and
(14:55):
into the United States, because right now we have to
go to Mexico because big farmer won't let it here
because it's a cure and they don't want to cure.
There's no money in the cure. There's a lot of
money in the treatment for stuff especially. But I begain
A is a plant based medicine. It's thousands of years
old from gabone, a root of the boga tree in Africa.
And when you take the medicine go on the journey.
(15:15):
It just opened your mind to look at itself and
the way the reader's digest when we back, when we
read books, it shakes everything you have loosed. You can't
get away from it because you can't lie to yourself.
Then we do a session of five DMT, which is
the God molecule, where it cleans everything out and basically
what it did for me because you know we can
now I can agree today that I sometimes I'm not
as smart as I want to be. But it got
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rid of the crazy because what I began does is
it says you need to learn how to forgive yourself
to the point of embarrassment, because there are certain things,
even in confession you may not say you know what
they are.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Don't be embarrassed. The forgiveness is here. Now do it
for yourself.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And that's that's really veterans that I know that especially
some of the staunch combat guys said that everything got
better when they learned to love themselves. And that's all
ibagame does with You'll hear the naysayers say it's club drug.
The last thing you the last thing you want to
do taking out again is even stand up.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
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(16:25):
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And one caller was scared about a worst case scenario,
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His Chapter advisor walked him through everything and his actual
(16:46):
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Not a guess, not a maybe, just real relief. And
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That's real money that you can save. And if you're
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(17:07):
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Speaker 1 (17:19):
You need to be laying down with the medical team
and they administer it to you. That's how we take
in Mexico, and hopefully now with President Trump signing that
order an executive order a few months ago, we're able
to ramp it up for everybody, not just for veterans.
We all have trauma. Everyone's had a childhood something's gone wrong.
This is a part of the healing process.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
My father was in the Air Force. I was not
in the military. I don't have that firsthand experience. Your
job was to go and kill the bad guys. So
you've just said something that I had I'd never even considered.
You said that it teaches you how to forgive yourself.
Is there some inherent guilt in a war fighter after
doing what it is that you're charged with doing, because
as you're doing it, you're focused on it. Later, Is
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there this cascade of feelings, emotions and guilt because what
it is that you were charged with doing.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, usually a survivor's guilt, and that would be something
as simple as well, the guy in front of me
chose to go left, so I went right and he
didn't make it, or I tried to get on that
helicopter but couldn't. Then they were shot down and they
all died, or even with me, it's been certain.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I'm convinced that everyone I killed, and it was a lot,
we're all bad guys that would do ill to myself,
to you, to my family. But there are moments where
I realized, if I had taken a second, maybe I
didn't need to do it.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Maybe I could have met this dude in a different
part of the world.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Maybe he had a joke, because right now, in the moment,
I decided to kill him.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Everything this thirty year old man ever.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Cared about I'm taking away, including his soul now, and
you just you do wonder about that and then, and
that's even part of the medicine, where so you think
of people like that when you're on your journey. It's
not a psychedelic trip. It's a journey through your own mind.
And it's the guys that I've seen. It was never
a he forgives me or I forgive you nonsense.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
It's more of a we were.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Supposed to meet stuff like that. And it again, it's
not closure, it's just healing, and it's it's so hard
to describe it. I've never heard anyone quite describe it.
But for me, it's almost like you go to judgment
and they sort of say it's on you.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You need to forgive yourself.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I've had PTSD explain to me. I never realized it
until somebody called my show about fifteen years ago and said,
you have to understand, we're not just having flashbacks. We
are now back in the moment PTSD is I am
doing it all over again and I'm in that same
situation and reality is what I'm seeing in my brain.
Does this albigane stuff? Does it take care of that too?
(19:30):
Does it work on that too?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah? It kind of clears everything for me.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I was working on anger and alcohol and I managed
to quit alcohol, all tobacco.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I quit smoking. I didn't even mean to. I've done.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I began three times, but the first time I went,
I didn't. I didn't really want people to know I went.
So I went to one of their houses for more
of a detox, and there was a married couple there
addicted to heroin.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I saw them both get cured overnight.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
When they woke up the next Yeah, when they woke
up the next day. The woman, I mean, I'm talking
addicts that were this is their last chance. She the
woman was upset at first. She's like, I didn't have
any any visions, I didn't see anything. And the doctor said,
are you do you want heroin? And she almost gags.
She goes, no, it's disgusting. He goes, so you're not
dope sick and she said no, and he goes, well,
you got twelve hours of sleep and now you're cured,
and it was unbelievable. That was That was my first experience.
(20:16):
Then I started talking to more veterans about it. Marcus
the Trail's done it a couple of times. All Dakota
Myers done it, Marcus Cappone, all the guys I mentioned,
they've all done. And you know what's crazy, most of them,
like me, complete completely quit drinking to the point where
it doesn't even make sense. But most of them, including me,
find Jesus. Uh literally go back into the church and
now just the hunger to find out more. It's it's
(20:38):
it's it's a it's almost it's so fulfilling. I don't
even want to preach to people. I'm willing to answer questions,
but just knowing that I found what I need to find.
And it's not my job to judge you, but it's
gonna happen eventually. So uh, it pays to be a
good person too.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
No, I'm with you. It is Rob O'Neil. Make sure
you go check them out Mick huya over on the
social media, check out the Operator podcast. Go to Robert J.
O'Neil dot com and go check that out. Let's talk
about Ukraine. We're finding out something about drone fighting that
I don't think we knew before Ukraine. What specifically is
it that we're seeing and how does that change the
war theater going forward?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, well, I mean with the drones that they're changing
as fast as AI and I mean we're seeing we
personally have drones that are flying drone bombers that have
drone fighters inside of them, and then we all this
is happening. We have an F sixteen that we sold,
your crane shoot down a Russian fighter and those are
two men fighting and out.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
We think.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
The I mean the drone stuff right now, it just
it makes the World War one trenches better because at
least there you could duck for a minute. The drones
they're now flying them, they've can fly them through doors
and houses. They look for you, and it's so bad
and they're so numb to it, like they taunt people
before they kill them. This is again, like I'm someone
(21:47):
to say, if you can, if you can talk to
your talk to your phone and a voice responds, you're
talking to a demon. That's what these drones are doing too.
You gotta be very very careful again with your spirituality.
But there are a lot of things you can do,
but should you.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Rob, how does that conflict end Russia? It will not
lose through attrition. Ukraine doesn't have the military might to
actually have a victory that we would consider, you know,
in a war sense. But we don't want Russia to
take any Dunbass that it wants any time it won
So how does that end? This has been going on
for more than four years now, Well.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
It's been going on a long yeah, a long long time,
and I mean we haven't even been getting the truth
since the beginning. Obviously, you know, I went The first
time I went to Ukraine was in nineteen ninety eight
as a young navy c obviously pre nine to eleven.
And even then I recognize how corrupt Ukraine was. Seeing
some and don't get me wrong, especially as a young
enlisted sailor, it is awesome to work for a corrupt government.
But you can just see all the all the shady
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stuff going in.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
And out of there. And then it never became a
part of NATO.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But everyone's got investments there, I mean the obvious stuff
with the bidens and yeah, yeah, the Vladimir Putin's playing
the part where they make the native tongue of Russian
illegal in don Bassen, they're being persecuted. And then just
that there's a vast history there too, before World War two,
before World War One of what's going on. So a
lot of history, a lot of death on both sides.
(23:03):
I wish, I mean, an end would be for everyone
to stop killing each other, but thank goodness, we have
money and power, so that will never happen.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Well, we have entire generations of young men dead. They're gone.
In Ukraine. I hear what you're laying down, and it's
important that people understand that this isn't just putin trying
to take land. There's something deeper than that. It does
go back to World War One. Ukraine was on the
side of the Nazis. In World War Two. We know
that we don't know who Zelensky really is other than
an actor that was placed there, probably by us. And
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then the oligarch stuff with the Bidens and well beyond,
we're not getting the inside scoop on that either. So
the over the overriding feeder that we're told about this
whole thing is that Russia just wants to re establish
the Soviet Union. Do you think that's what they're trying to.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Do, I mean sort of, but they're they're trying to
rebuild their futures in their legacy because don't think for
a second we've gotten the truth about everything either. I mean,
you even know that how George Patton died and the
rumors are he was coming back saying that we fought
on the wrong side and again with the.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Then suddenly a car crash and he's dead, right, well.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
He's dead when he yeah, he didn't die in a
car crash. He died like Princess Diana when he's getting
fixed in the hospital and all of a sudden, you know,
and why is ann hesh uh fighting for a life
before fireman for some reason put her in the back
of an ambulance.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That doesn't happen either.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
By the way, right, there's there's weird stuff that we
don't get to, I mean, are the biggest problem we
have is we believe everything on television we have since inception,
and it's it's you know, it's it's one of those
things where when I start having the internal dialogue inside
my own brain where I'm asking myself a question, knowing
the truth is a short answer.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I'd much rather be one of those people.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Who doesn't have an internal dialogue and just walks to
work every day and comes home at five it has
dinner show and does the same thing every day, because
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
It all comes down to it.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You know, water and food is free on this planet,
but somehow we started selling it to each other. So
that's where man comes in corruption everything with our books,
in our commerce. So I mean, I don't even know
where I'm going with this, but I take it line
by line, and I'm at a point in life where
what I say is what I think is the truth.
If I'm wrong, I'll accept it if it's If it's not.
If someone was offended, that's their problem, that's it.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, what's also good is that you don't just say
what you think is the truth. You researched it and
you have a reason why you say it's the truth.
It's the same model that I live by. I mean,
if you don't have that creed, then then who are you?
But you're right? On social media, on TV, on fill
in the blank, every single day there's a different person
with a different take and they really are convinced that
they're right. Do you think we'll ever find out really
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what's going on with Ukraine. I believe a lot of
what we're told about about Iran. It certainly is the
funder and the financier of the bad guys around the world.
They certainly have killed an American every six days on
average through terrorism. But when it comes to Russia and Ukraine,
I mean, Vladimir Putin is a bad guy in my opinion.
But having said that, he also really believed Bill Clinton
(25:44):
when Clinton acted like he was going to enter him
into into Nado, and he really did feel like he
was going to be part of that world community. What
he'd been a good part. Probably not, he probably would
have been a bad part. But there are promises and
things that the world community has said to all these
different players that never ever was true. So how do
you how do you sip through that and and figure
out how do you stop the killing in Ukraine? I
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don't even know how you do that?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Well.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I mean, so Vladimir Putin grew up in a part
of Russia where for fun they would chase rat as
kids chase rats with sticks, and he learned, uh, vicious animals,
A cornered rat. I mean, that's that's the kind of
guy he is. Also he's KGB, so yeah, he's a
bad person. Probably the richest man in the world too,
when we wouldn't come down to brass ash. But yeah,
it's when we get a little bit of honesty, is
(26:28):
when we can find a result, when we get an
unredacted Epstein report. Yeah, we'll start getting to the bottom
of stuff because it's all buried to crap like that.
I mean, people say stuff on television because they're being
blackmail people do stuff in Congress because they're being blackmailed.
It's the classic honeypot. It's it's a lot more. Uh,
it happens all the time.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
It Yeah, on once we find out who the.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Real power guys are, who the real investors are, the
real bankers are, who's pulling the strings and like the
private clubs and stuff like that, we'll get the truth.
But you know, they're feeding us garbage, taxing us more,
and then they're taking our taxes for corrupt one hundred percent.
Like it's it's it's very very shady by right, like
they have us so backwards.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
We actually believe we're in a free country.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Like look a look at your bills, look at the taxes,
whether you pay for when you die, you get taxed.
The property you only get tax I don't want to
talk about taxes, but it's uh, yeah, we're not.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
They're just they're bs and us. And then we have
the TV on.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Well, you're one hundred percent right. I mean, I don't
know my property because of all the taxes I have
to pay. If I don't pay it, they could take it.
And certainly you can't not pay the IRS. Although they
promised it would never be over seven percent, you know
now it's up at forty percent or thirty five percent,
wherever the hell it is. You're right, we're being lied to.
We're not as free as we think we are, and
all of that needs to to. We have to have
a come to Jesus moment in this in this country
that said, do you think Epstein was a Masad or Cia?
(27:39):
He couldn't. He couldn't just have been some guy that
invited people to uh to an island and blackmailed the moment.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You get to a certain level, the Massad the Cia
are the same people.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Okay, but yeah he was both.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I mean, I wasn't there again too, I do I
have proof, Noah, But I'm a I'm a fifty year
old man with a ton of combat experience. I've been
to a lot of countries, talk to a lot of people,
been around the world at least twice. I'm a golden
shell black, which is to say, uh, which why I
crossed the primary and the equator at the same time,
allegedly because we live on a globe. We don't even
know that anymore according to the Internet. So what I'm
saying right now again, at face value, I'm going to
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tell you what I think. And you can usually tell
the person telling the truth because blah blah boom. You
can tell the person lying ah no no because of this,
and it could do that, and we get do this,
we did the thought blah blah blah blah blah blah.
I mean like for some reason Utah's coming to mind.
Just you just when you need to keep when you
need to keep enforcing the truth, it might not be
the truth.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
It's like to.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Say, it's the same way a politician talks and then applaud.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
They're all doing that, they're all doing anything.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Just think, think outside the box and pretend that maybe
your party's lying to you.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Maybe you shouldn't be voting for a party.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But yeah, I mean we're the Epstein list is a
prime you know, even with this administration.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, we're gonna know you're not.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, three three million redacted files have been released, and
allegedly there are a lot more. Why can't we know
all of it? Was Trump and informant back in the day.
Is you afraid to release that guesse? He definitely was,
you know, calling the authorities about Epstein. We need to
know exactly I feel what that was. I don't know
if it's ever going to happen. Let me finish with
this row because I love your knowledge and love I
love spending time with you. China. As we're focused on Iran,
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as we're focused on Malle, it looks like we might
be Molly whatever the hell that is, might be doing
military action there. As we're focused on Venezuela, as we're
taking a look at Cuba, what's China doing.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
China's lying about how many people they have and their
economy is going to collapse. That's pretty much at the
one child rule rule really affected them poorly, and that
we the way that we hit Iran and Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
All of it's a squeeze on on them.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
It's a squeeze on their energy, and that they don't
have energy, they can't invade Taiwan. And that's what a
lot of this is about. It's about the Western hemisphere
and our way of life. And so I don't I
think if I mean China cares about China and no,
that doesn't evenan they care about the Chinese people.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Incredible insight from Rob O'Neil. I always love sitting down
with the man that God, Bin Laden. Check out whose
podcast called The Operator. Get his book by the same name.
Check out the mini series on Netflix. That's it for
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