June 17, 2026 • 31 mins
Biden pardoned Anthony Fauci on his way out the door — but that pardon doesn't close every door. Senator Ron Johnson joins Joe Pags to explain the path that's still wide open to hold Fauci accountable, and exposes the lies we were told for years.
Johnson breaks down the March 2021 warning that was ignored, the 25 safety signals that got buried, and the 21,000 deaths the American people were never told about. He walks through why a federal pardon doesn't shield against every charge — and what a sitting U.S. Senator believes comes next.
This is the conversation the mainstream media refused to cover.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yes, Fauci can be charged. I know the auto panner
Joe Biden did pardon him, but that was for potential
federal offenses or federal charges. Senator Ron Johnson says there
is still a way to prosecute him if there's a necessity.
So can he be charged? Can he be prosecuted? He's
going to spell out why the answer is yes, and
he's going to expose the lies that we've all been
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facing now for five or six years. And he's also
going to tell us why the big media refuses to
have him on, to tell everybody and anybody exactly what
we were told and why it was all bs. And
after the interview, make sure you stick around. I'm going
to take down Senator John Thune because I don't think
this guy should be the majority leader when he refuses
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to do the simple things like make sure our elections
are secure. But first, Senator Ron Johnson. Ron, we see
people like Scott Pelly crying in interviews about how he
got fired from CBS. We're seeing ABC get sued and
lose fifteen million dollars for slander or defamation on the president.
We see so called news and information organizations that we
(01:02):
used to trust falling by the wayside, and they could
all rejuvenate themselves, they could all revitalize their careers. That
they just cover the actual news. Why aren't they covering
the report that you have showing what was going on
with the FDA back in the.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Day, Because there are radical left fellow travelers and they're
all part of the cabal. But no, this is I'm
difficult guy to shock, but to me, this is shocking.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
On April twenty ninth.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
We held here and released a report that just detailed
because of the Bobby Kennedy's radical transparency, we got eleven
million documents, and in those documents we found the needles
in the haystack showing that Peter Marx, who was head
of SIEBER, the Center for Biologic Evaluation Review, that's the
group within FDA that approves vaccines and then as supposed
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to surveil the results for safety signals, right, well, he was.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Warned on March first, twenty twenty one, less than.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Three months into the administration of these injections, that their
algorithm they were using to analyze the veyor system, the
vaccine Adverse Event Reporting system, was going to.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Hide safety signals.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Twenty six days later, using a different algorithm that unmasked
those safety signals that he was shown that there were
forty nine extreme case of masking the old system, and
now twenty five safety signals showing with the new algorithm,
including sudden cardiac death, pulmonary farnction, bells, polls, the different
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types of strokes.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
And they buried it. They decided to keep.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Using the old algorithm with the excuse, oh, we have
to be consistent and then lie to the American people,
but we're just not seeing safety signals.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Even though from the start of.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Ayors in nineteen ninety through the beginning of the pandemic,
on average, there about two hundred and eighty deaths per
year report to AYORS associated the vaccine, athletic shock, that
type of things. Twenty twenty one, there were twenty one
thousand deaths reported. And I didn't need a sophisticated safety
signals or algorithm to say these safety signals were screaming
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at them. But they were able to hide behind that
algorithm and lie to the American people saying we're just
not seeing them. And Joe, we see that time time again.
We had a hearing last week. They had the President
of a cancer society, right. The Democrats did to refute
my witnesses and say they are seeing signals the plausible mechanism,
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potentially these injections causing cancer. And of course the dem
witness goes, there's no proof that the injections caused cancer.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, there's not proof if you don't look for it.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
There's no proof if when it's right in front of
your eyes you close your eyes. And by the way,
there's no such thing as definitive proof. When it comes
to what causes cancer. You have to look at, you know,
plausible mechanisms, you have to look at clinical observations, all
of a sudden cases coming into on collegists, exploding with
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young people and stuff. But again they put their heads
in the sand. They deny this. They can continue to
deny this. And the reason I call this the biggest
scandal government scandal in my lifetime is because of their lives.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Because this cover.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Up, millions of people experienced adverse events, some of them
crippling permanent disabilities. Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of
thousands of people died currently on the Veyor system, it's
about one point seven million adverse events thirty nine thousand
deaths associated with the.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Code vaccine worldwide.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
But we know from a CDC commissioned study at Harvard
University about one percent of average events are actually reported
to veyors. So take those numbers I just gave you,
multiply them by as much as one hundred.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I mean, the.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Damn the harm is devastating. It could have all or
most of it could have been prevented, or at least
people would have been informed to make that decision of
risk benefit going. Yeah, I'm old, I've got cord morbiddies,
I think I'll take a chance of these adverse events
because I'm really afraid of covid O.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
That would have been a legitimate thing for the FDA
to do, but they didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They live say, oh, these things are safe and effective,
and if we see average events, they're rare, and mild
sudden cardiac death is not mild.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I couldn't agree with you more at Senator Ron Johnson.
You know, the Verius system is interesting because you're right,
very very few of the adverse effects were even reported.
So if you take the multiple of one hundred that
you talked about, it's in the millions of people who
potentially died because of the vaccine. Why can't we know that?
And again, the various system is something that's voluntary. They
made it correct, even wrong ron, but I'm pretty sure
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they made it so cumbersome when COVID was happening that
it would take a medical professional twenty five minutes to
thirty five minutes just to put in a report. And
they started saying that I'm not gonna put the report
in because they didn't have the time. They were dealing
with all these INFLUXI patients. So why can't we know
what exactly go ahead?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Go ahead?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
So Sourveyor's always was time consuming, which is why only
one percent of average Evanski's reported. So they didn't change that.
It's just always been time consuming. But again, the reason
we couldn't know this is they didn't want to create
vaccine Hesnancy Fauxi was bemoaning in October twenty nineteen that
we don't have a universal vaccination plan. The flu vaccine
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just wasn't accomplishing, that we would.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Need a pandemic.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, twenty twenty got his pandemic, and this was his
opportunity to force a universal vaccine program on the globe
and they did it with Gusto obviously lined MODERNA in
Pfeizer's pockets billions of dollars worth. And they just wanted
this mRNA platform, which which never succeeded. It always failed
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in cast trials because they couldn't control it. We were
lied to that it was going to stay in the arm. No,
they knew it was going to buio distribute. We relied
to that this was mRNA, true mRNA that degrades rapidly. No,
this was modified, a pseudo urity to make sure it
wouldn't degrade. We've had studies with this RNA is secretly
in the body seven hundred days and then they cut
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off the study.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
So again this is this is a This was a disaster.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And they're still covering up because the people who approve
these things, a lot of them, a lot of them
who were supposedly surveilling for safety.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Some of those people are still there.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
They're still frustrating and sabotaging UH Secretary Kennedy's effort to
be radically transparent.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
But again, we got eleven million pages. We were able
to pick these needles out of the haystack.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Again, they didn't, they didn't help us find this this
is something we had to do. But the agencies are
still not coming clean. They're not admitting what needs to
be admitted. And why is this important, Joe, Because I'm
dealing with the injection injured community.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
When Facebook shut down.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Their their support groups early in the pandemic, people committed suicide.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
They no longer have that support group.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Now they're committing suicide because they've been battling to be seen, heard,
and belief so they can get TREE for five years
and it's not happening.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Doctors aren't admitting it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
They don't have an ICD code for doctors to diagnose
and then be able to build the patients for trying
to treat the injection injury. So they're at a low points.
Suicide rates are increasing. They need to be seen, heard, believe.
They need these injection injuries to be acknowledged. Here's another
nasty fact. Also in March of twenty twenty one, the
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same month where Peter Marx has shown that they're going
to hide safety signals and he's showing the safety signals.
NIH was diagnosing and treating people for.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
These injection injuries and know what they found.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
The first thing early intervention was crucial you had to
get to these people early. They told those people to
stay silent. Let's not jump the gun, let's not provide
false information, wait for us to do the treatment, gather information,
issue a study so doctors know how to treat this.
They only issue that study in twenty twenty two under
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tremendous pressure of the injection injured, and they only they.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Quietly put it on a prepense server.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
They didn't announce this to the world that they didn't
really let medical professors know the way they should have.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
So all these people there were injection.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Injured that needed treatment, and they needed treatment fast.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They still haven't gotten it. Ron.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
What they did was criminal. It was very criminal. We
actually have a Pfizer vice president on tape over in
somewhere in Europe saying that they never said that it
would stop the spread. We literally had our government agency saying,
if you take the shot, it's going to stop COVID
from being spread to anybody else. That was a lie,
a bottom line lie. You can't go after Fauci because
of the pardon, but who do you go after. People
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in this country and around the globe want somebody to
pay the price for the lies they told us. To
our faces. We know that masks didn't work. That was
a lie. We know the six foot distancing was a
lie they just made up. We know that it didn't
stop the spread, and that there were all sorts of
adverse effects. What these that people were forced to take.
If you want to be in the military, you want
to be a doctor, you want to go to a
show in New York City, you had to take a vaccine.
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I didn't take it. I know a lot of people
that didn't take it. But there are eighty percent, according
to the doctor Peter McCullough, that have taken it. Who
is going to pay the price run because it seems
like they're all getting away with it.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So the problem is government protects itself, Government protects its employees,
the people that carry out its devious deeds. And government
has protected the evil doers, the wrongdoers, from being held
accountable by Congress by not turning over documents. Again, I've
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written over seventy oversight letters to the Biden HHS.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Give me the big middle finger. I didn't get anything.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
It wasn't ntil Bobby Kennedy finally forced them turn me
over eleven million pages of documents. So we found these
needs in Haystack. So now we know who the players were.
Now we're starting to conduct transcribe the interviews. We're going
to find out more about this or our investigation is
really only begun. And what I can do is I
can expose this. I can reveal the American public.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
These are the people tell telling you. Peter Marks, he
was warned, he covered it up.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
He's now working at Eli Lilly making millions of dollars.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I'm sure, but we'll talk to him.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Well, I'm glad you let me stop you because I'm
glad you went there. I was going to ask you
about the news media giving you a complete blackout on
this story. And the next question was going to be
this newscast brought to you by Eli Lilly, this newscast
brought to you by Pfizer, this newscast brought to you
by Maderna. Should these companies that have a stake in
what's being said on the news have the ability to
sponsor and therefore, I would think have some pressure to
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put on news organizations.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And we are one.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I think of only two nations that allow television advertising
for pharmaceutical drugs, and it is allowed them to capture
in their area. They buy the influence in medical colleges,
in medical journals, they spend billions of dollars in as
so they quash any kind of serious investigation in terms
of harms on drugs or vaccines. They've obviously captured and
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corrupted the federal health agencies as well. So no, that
level of corruption has to end, and we need the
news media to start covering the story. Not one major
network has carried this other CBS major Garrett did an
online streaming interview with me. But that's it. I haven't
got CBS to cover this story. Fox and Fox Business
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has covered it. Programs like yours is covering it. So
a growing number Americans is understanding this. But and tell
us all Americans understand the story, understand the depravity, the corruption,
the lives that were destroyed because the FD officials.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Did not do their job. Let me add again, I.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Think most of us when we hear safety surveillance assume
I mean that they're they're looking for their needles in
the haystack. They're looking for small little signals to really
be on the lookout, to further invest, to warn doctors
to be on the lookout for things.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
That's how what they did.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
They basically before they made any announcements whatsoever, like on
myocarditis or a schemic stroke in people over sixty five,
that by the way, they were showing.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Safety signals, even using the invalid algorithm. They was fighting them.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
They were basically requiring definitive proof, you know, kind of
like that Democrat witness that came and said there's no
proof that these injections caused cancer. Well, again, you'll never
say there's proof. Even though we've got on collegists that
are you know, eminently qualified and coologists that are layout
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the posible mechanism that are telling what they're seeing in
the clinic. That's not good enough. That's evidence, it's not proof.
So again the standard change from the FDA saying no,
that you've got to be looking for the small little
signals to warn doctors too. We're not going to say
a word because we don't want to create vaccine hessancy.
We want to make sure that Peiser Marderni can line
their pockets with billions and we have this universal vaccine
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program finally, so we're gonna keep our mouths shut and
let all this damage occur.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And they knew it. They knew it, which they had.
They had to be shaking their boots.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
They approved the emergency use authorization, they knew their contractors
hiring more people to input all the reports deluging theyers
that they had to.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Be shaking their boots.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
But then when they saw that their algorithm is gonna
hide these safety signals, they had to know.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Thank you Lord, we can, we can, we can cling
to this claim.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
We're we have to be consistent, and we can go
to the American public and live ball. They saying, we're
just not seeing safety signals. That's what they've done. They're
doing it to this day.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
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They just were handed a plan and they were told
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It's a US Senator around Johnson, Republican Grace THEATA Wisconsin
Goddy Johnson dot Senate dot gov. You probably can't get
them to stop advertising on news shows. I would like
to see us try, but they'll claim First Amendment and
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probably win. But Ron. You can governmentally say you can't
go from government to big Pharma, back to government to
big farm. If this is a revolving door, you can
say if you leave government, you can't take a job
with one of these companies for fifteen years. If you want,
you guys can try to pass something like that. Why
not do that? Because how many people, just since you've
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been in the Senate, which has not been forever, have
you seen go from the board of directors to somebody
in the House of Representatives are working for nih or something.
It happens all the time. Why don't we stop it?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
First of all, it's not unconstitutional to not allow certain
products to be advertised on TV.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Don't allow tobacco anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
We didn't allow pharmaceuticals till nineteen ninety seven and then
Bill Clinton change yet based on regulation.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Right, Well, again, that is the first their claim. I
think that'll be their claim. First amendment will be their claim.
But you're right, you certainly we have said you can't
physically drink a beer in a commercial, you can't have
a cigarette commercial. You're right. I mean what you just
said is correct. I'm saying their argument, their big dollar
lawyers are going to say it's the first Amendment issue
that might make it a problem. But what about the
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revolving door.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, I think we can certainly climb down that as well.
And and part of it is again, expose these people
for what they've done. You know, Fauci, I mean, that
is a bad human being right there. Okay, And you know,
Bobby Can'ty did a good job of exposing how bad
he is in the Real Anthony Faucie book.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I recommend to your to your listeners to read that book.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
But again, now we know that that he was lined
to Congress about funding gain a function. Uh, we're seeing
more examples of custom Borab Show picked up a couple
of people that used to work with Fauci's smuggling in
monkey pocks.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Come on, basically, yeah, I reported function research. This is
all about bioweapons.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Well, and again you said he predicted it. We needed
a pandemic. We got the same guy from you know,
twenty years ago saying, if you have it, that's the
best kind of immunity. Natural immunity is the best kind
of immunity. And then he completely switched sides. In this
day and age, so people watching and listening or yelling
at their TVs or they're yelling at their radios.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Run.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Can you undo the pardon that was done by the
auto pen for Fauci? I mean, please say that there's
something that can be done. The guy should at least
be in front.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Of a jury. He was a horrible It was a horrible.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Thing that he did. Can you undo that pardon? Are
you guys still even looking into that oversight? Courts might
be able to undo that. Again, that would be something
for your judicial system. States do not have a pardon, okay,
I don't apply to federal.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Question right, So that's a smart movie, right A case there. Again,
we've got to prove things. I think Santor Paul is
going to actually interview Fauci. I don't know what documents
since Sator Paul has. I mean before I interview people,
I like to have documents so they don't run circles
around me. So that's why we haven't interviewed these people
just have had anything to really ask him, and they'll
just you know, squirm and wiggle out of any kind
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of question.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
But now we've got hard proof.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Explain this, yeah, explain why you told this woman to
cease and desist? As opposed to pin a medal on
her chest and say thank you for showing a flaw
in our system here so that we can warn doctors
and in forming the American public.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
How do you explain yourself there?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I will tell you they're pretty impervious to those kinds
of questions. Though these guys are brazen.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It is a US Senator Ron Johnson, Great State of Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Ron.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Back to the first point that you made, and I'm
glad that we spent the entire time on this because
this is so important to everybody watching and listening. I
just flew from from from Texas to New York and
back and people are still wearing masks. I mean, there
are people out there that have no information whatsoever. So,
circling back to your first point, how do we break
through that major Garrett good Enough reporter? Why is it
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only online? Why are we seeing Scott Pelly everywhere? But
we're not seeing this story that affected everybody? Can you
break through with the Big Three? Is there any movement
at all? Because remember when you and I talked about
January sixth, all of them jumped on your back, all
of them said you said the wrong thing about January
sixth and you didn't. They took it out of context,
and all of them had no problem running with it.
So it's not about Ron Johnson. It's about showing some
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sort of shade or actually showing some light on a
story that was in the shade and hidden and cloaked
from us for so long, so long. Question short, Can
we break through that barrier that's being put up by
the so called free media.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well, normally I don't ask to be on people's shows
they invite beyond and I agree, Yes, come on, we
are bugging the you know what out of all these programs,
which again just shows you how dedicated they are to
not covering this story. So I will continue to bug them.
I will continue to shame them publicly. I'm doing it
right now. Come on ABC, come on NBC, come on PBS,
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come on CNN, you know, put me on. Let me
tell this story so the American people understand the corruption
of these eight that needs to be ended.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's Senator Ron Johns. I'm gonna post that all over
my social media, which is pretty substantial, and they will
see you saying that I'm gonna have that plea right
there that you just said. Because the people that watch me,
the people who know you, the people who want the truth,
are going to push this and spread this. We will
guilt them into doing it.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
We will.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
We will make sure that they get notification of that.
Ron I don't have a ton of more time, and
you gave me a bunch of time already. I'd be
remissive I didn't say, hey, you guys are doing oversight
on all the major agencies, the dj the FBI, the HHS.
Are you getting cooperation now to where you didn't get
any cooperation at all under Biden?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, we got zero from Biden. Yeah we're getting some.
But again, no matter who's in charge of those agency,
no matter who's president, these agencies are powers under themselves
that they don't a lot of these people don't really
believe in democracy. You're certainly not accountability to Congress. You know,
you got you know people, see I really think that
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they don't.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Really they're not really accountable to the people. They're going
to run their own show.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Okay, So that is a problem that the permanent bureaucracy,
the deep state exists is pervasive. Unfortunately, it is primarily
populated by leftists, which eventually destroy this country.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Take away our freedom. So no, it's a challenge.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
It's not that body candy, it's not the cash Fortael's
not that Todd Blanche aren't trying.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
They are just and less.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
If you're a bureaucrat, there's sixteen ways on Sunday you
can make an excuse.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Oh, I just can't find that in some of those documents.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
We finally got a top or cash Fortel phone in
a burn bag in a skiff. He didn't even know
about in a burn bag. So they just need to
get around to burning it before they left the door.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Ron as a former business owner and somebody who is very,
very successful. If I were in your employe and you said, Joe,
go and get me that report, and I said back,
I can't find it, you'd say you're fired. Let me
find somebod who can find it. Bob, you go and
get me the report, and Bob can't do you find?
Can we not fire these people? Can we not show
them the door? Why do they think that they have
the right to just stay in the job and deny
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doing anything that you guys are asking for.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Well, this gets We've given a lot of protections to
government employees, and again you don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
So, I mean, I'm sure these a lot of these
people are really.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Smooth and they believe they you know, they give the
secretary's confidence that I can trust this person right where
they're stabbing him in the back. So again, it's a nasty,
nasty business when you're talking about power. As Lord Acton said,
power corrupts absolute, power corrupts absolutely.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
These people in these agencies are powerful, and they do
corrupt the process.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And again, regardless of the tension of a President Trump
or the people he's put in these agencies politically that
the permity Broxi can frustrate them.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Sixteen when we heys on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Let's finish with this, it's Senator Ron Johnson, Great State
of Wisconsin. When it comes it's circling back to COVID.
When it comes to COVID, you and I have spent
a dozen or so interviews talking about the increase in
spending just for the pandemic. Pandemic has been over for
five years now, four or five years now. Why exactly
haven't we rolled back the one point seven trillion, the
two trillion that was added. Why is that still in there?
(24:11):
Why are we still overspending when those programs were meant
specifically to help Americans harmed by COVID.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Because spending is absolutely a bipartisan problem. You know when
people ask, why can't you guys do things in a
by parson basis, why can't you compromise? Oh, trust me
when it comes to spending money. We don't have mortgage
our kids future. There's a lot of by parson cooperations.
So and again the public lights they're free, free government
money right right now.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
They're looking the other way.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
This massive amount of fraud that's being uncovered by people
like Nick Sorter.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Doctor ozis came to lunch. He's doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Here's an example that there were a third of all
hospice centers are in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
A third. That's enough within the country, so obviously there's
something going on there.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
So doctor Oz stopped sending money to four hundred of them.
Nobody complained, Well there you go, I mean via legitimate
hospa center. And also you need the money, you'd complain.
But if you're a fraudster, you just move on in price,
start up hospa center someplace else.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
When we hear about all the fraud are we rolling
it back. Are we keeping the money or is that
money going to better use elsewhere? Because again we hear
about it's in between nine and eighteen billion just in Minnesota.
In California might be over one hundred billion dollars in Ohio.
They're uncovering all sorts of fraud and it's happening everywhere
red and blue state. Are we rolling the money back?
Are we lowering the deficit with the money? I want
to feel like our money is being used for the
(25:37):
right things.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So the estimate of fraud range somewe between two hundred
fifty billion two a trillion.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Dollars a year early mackerel. The DOJ is.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Proscuting about four point seven billion. Now, so now you're
not going to be able to prosecute and recovered. Yeah,
it's prosecute, but that's not the You had to prevent
it from ever going, which is exactly what DoD Drows
is doing. He identifies these hospice centers, they're making them
re certify. He stops funding and that's the way to
do it. You have to do it in the front end.
You can never let the dollars out the door. But
(26:05):
Unforcning Democrats, love government, they love making people dependent on it,
and they could care less about fraud.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
So we have no willing partners in Congress to clamp
down these things.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
But again, doctor oz this administration is dedicated to doing it.
They're trying to stop it on the front end. So
the dollars don't even go out the door, because once
they're gone, almost impossible to get most of it back.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, I hed doctor Ozon a week and a half ago.
He's doing a great job with that. Let's finish with this.
When it comes to this fraud going on run, Is
there any way that the governor of a state, the
lieutenant governor, the attorney general doesn't know it's going on?
Are they incompetent or is your possible collusion?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well, I think personally there's you know, with the walls
and a g Ellison, my guess, total collusion.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
My guess is total awareness.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I hope there's some kind of crime they can be
indicted on, because no, they just let this go on
right beneath their nose. If they weren't complicit in it.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
It's Senator Ron Johnson, thanks for all the time, Ron.
As usual, Well, we're going to make sure we get
the word out there about the media, forcing the media's
hand to cover this story, which is by far one
of the biggest stories in a generation or two. Thanks
for the time, Thanks for the hard work, Appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Thanks for having me on take Care.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
All right, somebody stupid said something stupid. That's one of
the things that I like doing. I think I've built
my social media's outlining that and I got to put
it out there. And those of you who are in
South Dakota, I apologize upfront, but I find your senator
be an absolute dork. This guy, John Thune should not
be the Senate Majority leader. And every single time he
has an opportunity to put the same America Act as
(27:34):
part of a piece of legislation, he refuses, just doesn't
seem to do it. I don't know why, keeps on
making excuses, why I just don't have the votes. Well,
get the votes. What is the job as the majority leader?
If you can't bring legislation to the floor. You can't
bring legislation to a vote. If you can't rally your troops.
You've got fifty three Republicans in there to forty seven Democrats.
(27:55):
You can't make that happen. Really, why.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
It's a well known fact around here, sometimes perhaps not
fully grasp around the country, but anybody who follows this
process closely knows that we don't have the votes and
the only way that you could figure out a way
to get the votes. And even in that case, to say,
if America Act didn't even get fifty votes last week
(28:18):
on the floor of the Senate, but even if you
confine it to what is.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
He talking about now? This is, I guess in response
to the President saying it's time to go and get
this done. And I'm actually going to start it again,
but pause it because on the screen it actually shows
a truth from President Donald Trump. A few Democrats are
against PISA, with or without Bill POULTI going to d
and I as acting. What kind of a deal is that? Besides,
(28:44):
I'm against PISA if it doesn't come with a Save
America Act full version firmly attached to it, make America
great again. Thank you for your attention of this matter,
President Donald J. Trump, and the guy who has chosen
as the Senate majority leader just says, look, we don't
have the votes. And again it's my question is simple,
who was supposed to get the votes? It's you, and
(29:06):
then he says, like it's a matter of fact, Look,
we couldn't even get fifty votes last week. When it
came to the same Megan, why not you got fifty
three Republicans? Why couldn't you get fifty what's the issue?
It's on you, dude.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
It's a well known fact around here, sometimes perhaps not
fully grasp around the country, but anybody who follows this
process closely knows that we don't have the votes. And
the only way that you could figure out a way
to get the votes. And even in that case, the say,
if America Act didn't even get fifty votes last week
(29:39):
on the floor of the Senate, but even if you confine.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
It to why not, why don't you have the votes?
Because the follow up question from whomever it is that's
asking him the question should have been, well why not
why don't you have him? What's the question? What exactly
is that that's holding things back? Who's the majority leader?
And actually make him answer that, well, why can't you
(30:02):
get the fifty three on your side? Because you know,
damn well, if it were fifty one, hell, they didn't
need fifty one. When it was fifty to fifty, they
still got everything done they wanted to get done because
you had fifty Democrats voting for it, fifty Republicans voting
voting against it, and Kamala Harris would come in to
save the day and be the deciding vote as the
(30:24):
President of the Senate. This guy isn't even getting you
fifty to fifty, so JD Vans can break the tie?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And nobody seems to want to ask him that question.
I haven't had them on. I don't think they'll come on.
I've been an open critic of his on X. I
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Yes, Fauci can be charged. I know the auto panner
Joe Biden did pardon him, but that was for potential
federal offenses or federal charges. Senator Ron Johnson says there
is still a way to prosecute him if there's a necessity.
So can he be charged? Can he be prosecuted? He's
going to spell out why the answer is yes, and
he's going to expose the lies that we've all been
(00:21):
facing now for five or six years. And he's also
going to tell us why the big media refuses to
have him on, to tell everybody and anybody exactly what
we were told and why it was all bs. And
after the interview, make sure you stick around. I'm going
to take down Senator John Thune because I don't think
this guy should be the majority leader when he refuses
(00:42):
to do the simple things like make sure our elections
are secure. But first, Senator Ron Johnson. Ron, we see
people like Scott Pelly crying in interviews about how he
got fired from CBS. We're seeing ABC get sued and
lose fifteen million dollars for slander or defamation on the president.
We see so called news and information organizations that we
(01:02):
used to trust falling by the wayside, and they could
all rejuvenate themselves, they could all revitalize their careers. That
they just cover the actual news. Why aren't they covering
the report that you have showing what was going on
with the FDA back in the.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Day, Because there are radical left fellow travelers and they're
all part of the cabal. But no, this is I'm
difficult guy to shock, but to me, this is shocking.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
On April twenty ninth.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
We held here and released a report that just detailed
because of the Bobby Kennedy's radical transparency, we got eleven
million documents, and in those documents we found the needles
in the haystack showing that Peter Marx, who was head
of SIEBER, the Center for Biologic Evaluation Review, that's the
group within FDA that approves vaccines and then as supposed
(01:50):
to surveil the results for safety signals, right, well, he was.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Warned on March first, twenty twenty one, less than.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Three months into the administration of these injections, that their
algorithm they were using to analyze the veyor system, the
vaccine Adverse Event Reporting system, was going to.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Hide safety signals.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Twenty six days later, using a different algorithm that unmasked
those safety signals that he was shown that there were
forty nine extreme case of masking the old system, and
now twenty five safety signals showing with the new algorithm,
including sudden cardiac death, pulmonary farnction, bells, polls, the different
(02:31):
types of strokes.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
And they buried it. They decided to keep.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Using the old algorithm with the excuse, oh, we have
to be consistent and then lie to the American people,
but we're just not seeing safety signals.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Even though from the start of.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Ayors in nineteen ninety through the beginning of the pandemic,
on average, there about two hundred and eighty deaths per
year report to AYORS associated the vaccine, athletic shock, that
type of things. Twenty twenty one, there were twenty one
thousand deaths reported. And I didn't need a sophisticated safety
signals or algorithm to say these safety signals were screaming
(03:07):
at them. But they were able to hide behind that
algorithm and lie to the American people saying we're just
not seeing them. And Joe, we see that time time again.
We had a hearing last week. They had the President
of a cancer society, right. The Democrats did to refute
my witnesses and say they are seeing signals the plausible mechanism,
(03:29):
potentially these injections causing cancer. And of course the dem
witness goes, there's no proof that the injections caused cancer.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, there's not proof if you don't look for it.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
There's no proof if when it's right in front of
your eyes you close your eyes. And by the way,
there's no such thing as definitive proof. When it comes
to what causes cancer. You have to look at, you know,
plausible mechanisms, you have to look at clinical observations, all
of a sudden cases coming into on collegists, exploding with
(04:01):
young people and stuff. But again they put their heads
in the sand. They deny this. They can continue to
deny this. And the reason I call this the biggest
scandal government scandal in my lifetime is because of their lives.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Because this cover.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Up, millions of people experienced adverse events, some of them
crippling permanent disabilities. Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of
thousands of people died currently on the Veyor system, it's
about one point seven million adverse events thirty nine thousand
deaths associated with the.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Code vaccine worldwide.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
But we know from a CDC commissioned study at Harvard
University about one percent of average events are actually reported
to veyors. So take those numbers I just gave you,
multiply them by as much as one hundred.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I mean, the.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Damn the harm is devastating. It could have all or
most of it could have been prevented, or at least
people would have been informed to make that decision of
risk benefit going. Yeah, I'm old, I've got cord morbiddies,
I think I'll take a chance of these adverse events
because I'm really afraid of covid O.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
That would have been a legitimate thing for the FDA
to do, but they didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They live say, oh, these things are safe and effective,
and if we see average events, they're rare, and mild
sudden cardiac death is not mild.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I couldn't agree with you more at Senator Ron Johnson.
You know, the Verius system is interesting because you're right,
very very few of the adverse effects were even reported.
So if you take the multiple of one hundred that
you talked about, it's in the millions of people who
potentially died because of the vaccine. Why can't we know that?
And again, the various system is something that's voluntary. They
made it correct, even wrong ron, but I'm pretty sure
(05:41):
they made it so cumbersome when COVID was happening that
it would take a medical professional twenty five minutes to
thirty five minutes just to put in a report. And
they started saying that I'm not gonna put the report
in because they didn't have the time. They were dealing
with all these INFLUXI patients. So why can't we know
what exactly go ahead?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Go ahead?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
So Sourveyor's always was time consuming, which is why only
one percent of average Evanski's reported. So they didn't change that.
It's just always been time consuming. But again, the reason
we couldn't know this is they didn't want to create
vaccine Hesnancy Fauxi was bemoaning in October twenty nineteen that
we don't have a universal vaccination plan. The flu vaccine
(06:19):
just wasn't accomplishing, that we would.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Need a pandemic.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, twenty twenty got his pandemic, and this was his
opportunity to force a universal vaccine program on the globe
and they did it with Gusto obviously lined MODERNA in
Pfeizer's pockets billions of dollars worth. And they just wanted
this mRNA platform, which which never succeeded. It always failed
(06:42):
in cast trials because they couldn't control it. We were
lied to that it was going to stay in the arm. No,
they knew it was going to buio distribute. We relied
to that this was mRNA, true mRNA that degrades rapidly. No,
this was modified, a pseudo urity to make sure it
wouldn't degrade. We've had studies with this RNA is secretly
in the body seven hundred days and then they cut
(07:03):
off the study.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
So again this is this is a This was a disaster.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And they're still covering up because the people who approve
these things, a lot of them, a lot of them
who were supposedly surveilling for safety.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Some of those people are still there.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
They're still frustrating and sabotaging UH Secretary Kennedy's effort to
be radically transparent.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
But again, we got eleven million pages. We were able
to pick these needles out of the haystack.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Again, they didn't, they didn't help us find this this
is something we had to do. But the agencies are
still not coming clean. They're not admitting what needs to
be admitted. And why is this important, Joe, Because I'm
dealing with the injection injured community.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
When Facebook shut down.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Their their support groups early in the pandemic, people committed suicide.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
They no longer have that support group.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Now they're committing suicide because they've been battling to be seen, heard,
and belief so they can get TREE for five years
and it's not happening.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Doctors aren't admitting it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
They don't have an ICD code for doctors to diagnose
and then be able to build the patients for trying
to treat the injection injury. So they're at a low points.
Suicide rates are increasing. They need to be seen, heard, believe.
They need these injection injuries to be acknowledged. Here's another
nasty fact. Also in March of twenty twenty one, the
(08:25):
same month where Peter Marx has shown that they're going
to hide safety signals and he's showing the safety signals.
NIH was diagnosing and treating people for.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
These injection injuries and know what they found.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
The first thing early intervention was crucial you had to
get to these people early. They told those people to
stay silent. Let's not jump the gun, let's not provide
false information, wait for us to do the treatment, gather information,
issue a study so doctors know how to treat this.
They only issue that study in twenty twenty two under
(09:00):
tremendous pressure of the injection injured, and they only they.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Quietly put it on a prepense server.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
They didn't announce this to the world that they didn't
really let medical professors know the way they should have.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
So all these people there were injection.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Injured that needed treatment, and they needed treatment fast.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They still haven't gotten it. Ron.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
What they did was criminal. It was very criminal. We
actually have a Pfizer vice president on tape over in
somewhere in Europe saying that they never said that it
would stop the spread. We literally had our government agency saying,
if you take the shot, it's going to stop COVID
from being spread to anybody else. That was a lie,
a bottom line lie. You can't go after Fauci because
of the pardon, but who do you go after. People
(09:44):
in this country and around the globe want somebody to
pay the price for the lies they told us. To
our faces. We know that masks didn't work. That was
a lie. We know the six foot distancing was a
lie they just made up. We know that it didn't
stop the spread, and that there were all sorts of
adverse effects. What these that people were forced to take.
If you want to be in the military, you want
to be a doctor, you want to go to a
show in New York City, you had to take a vaccine.
(10:06):
I didn't take it. I know a lot of people
that didn't take it. But there are eighty percent, according
to the doctor Peter McCullough, that have taken it. Who
is going to pay the price run because it seems
like they're all getting away with it.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So the problem is government protects itself, Government protects its employees,
the people that carry out its devious deeds. And government
has protected the evil doers, the wrongdoers, from being held
accountable by Congress by not turning over documents. Again, I've
(10:36):
written over seventy oversight letters to the Biden HHS.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Give me the big middle finger. I didn't get anything.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
It wasn't ntil Bobby Kennedy finally forced them turn me
over eleven million pages of documents. So we found these
needs in Haystack. So now we know who the players were.
Now we're starting to conduct transcribe the interviews. We're going
to find out more about this or our investigation is
really only begun. And what I can do is I
can expose this. I can reveal the American public.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
These are the people tell telling you. Peter Marks, he
was warned, he covered it up.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
He's now working at Eli Lilly making millions of dollars.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I'm sure, but we'll talk to him.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Well, I'm glad you let me stop you because I'm
glad you went there. I was going to ask you
about the news media giving you a complete blackout on
this story. And the next question was going to be
this newscast brought to you by Eli Lilly, this newscast
brought to you by Pfizer, this newscast brought to you
by Maderna. Should these companies that have a stake in
what's being said on the news have the ability to
sponsor and therefore, I would think have some pressure to
(11:41):
put on news organizations.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And we are one.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I think of only two nations that allow television advertising
for pharmaceutical drugs, and it is allowed them to capture
in their area. They buy the influence in medical colleges,
in medical journals, they spend billions of dollars in as
so they quash any kind of serious investigation in terms
of harms on drugs or vaccines. They've obviously captured and
(12:07):
corrupted the federal health agencies as well. So no, that
level of corruption has to end, and we need the
news media to start covering the story. Not one major
network has carried this other CBS major Garrett did an
online streaming interview with me. But that's it. I haven't
got CBS to cover this story. Fox and Fox Business
(12:28):
has covered it. Programs like yours is covering it. So
a growing number Americans is understanding this. But and tell
us all Americans understand the story, understand the depravity, the corruption,
the lives that were destroyed because the FD officials.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Did not do their job. Let me add again, I.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Think most of us when we hear safety surveillance assume
I mean that they're they're looking for their needles in
the haystack. They're looking for small little signals to really
be on the lookout, to further invest, to warn doctors
to be on the lookout for things.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
That's how what they did.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
They basically before they made any announcements whatsoever, like on
myocarditis or a schemic stroke in people over sixty five,
that by the way, they were showing.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Safety signals, even using the invalid algorithm. They was fighting them.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
They were basically requiring definitive proof, you know, kind of
like that Democrat witness that came and said there's no
proof that these injections caused cancer. Well, again, you'll never
say there's proof. Even though we've got on collegists that
are you know, eminently qualified and coologists that are layout
(13:39):
the posible mechanism that are telling what they're seeing in
the clinic. That's not good enough. That's evidence, it's not proof.
So again the standard change from the FDA saying no,
that you've got to be looking for the small little
signals to warn doctors too. We're not going to say
a word because we don't want to create vaccine hessancy.
We want to make sure that Peiser Marderni can line
their pockets with billions and we have this universal vaccine
(14:02):
program finally, so we're gonna keep our mouths shut and
let all this damage occur.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And they knew it. They knew it, which they had.
They had to be shaking their boots.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
They approved the emergency use authorization, they knew their contractors
hiring more people to input all the reports deluging theyers
that they had to.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Be shaking their boots.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
But then when they saw that their algorithm is gonna
hide these safety signals, they had to know.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Thank you Lord, we can, we can, we can cling
to this claim.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
We're we have to be consistent, and we can go
to the American public and live ball. They saying, we're
just not seeing safety signals. That's what they've done. They're
doing it to this day.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Here's what gets me. There are a lot of people
listening to the show right now we're watching, and they're
on a Medicare plan. It cost them more than it should.
They just were handed a plan and they were told
this is the one. A better option has been sitting
right there the whole time. Potentially they just never knew
about it. They never saw it, Nobody ever informed them.
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(15:05):
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It's a US Senator around Johnson, Republican Grace THEATA Wisconsin
Goddy Johnson dot Senate dot gov. You probably can't get
them to stop advertising on news shows. I would like
to see us try, but they'll claim First Amendment and
(16:10):
probably win. But Ron. You can governmentally say you can't
go from government to big Pharma, back to government to
big farm. If this is a revolving door, you can
say if you leave government, you can't take a job
with one of these companies for fifteen years. If you want,
you guys can try to pass something like that. Why
not do that? Because how many people, just since you've
(16:32):
been in the Senate, which has not been forever, have
you seen go from the board of directors to somebody
in the House of Representatives are working for nih or something.
It happens all the time. Why don't we stop it?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
First of all, it's not unconstitutional to not allow certain
products to be advertised on TV.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Don't allow tobacco anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
We didn't allow pharmaceuticals till nineteen ninety seven and then
Bill Clinton change yet based on regulation.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Right, Well, again, that is the first their claim. I
think that'll be their claim. First amendment will be their claim.
But you're right, you certainly we have said you can't
physically drink a beer in a commercial, you can't have
a cigarette commercial. You're right. I mean what you just
said is correct. I'm saying their argument, their big dollar
lawyers are going to say it's the first Amendment issue
that might make it a problem. But what about the
(17:18):
revolving door.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, I think we can certainly climb down that as well.
And and part of it is again, expose these people
for what they've done. You know, Fauci, I mean, that
is a bad human being right there. Okay, And you know,
Bobby Can'ty did a good job of exposing how bad
he is in the Real Anthony Faucie book.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I recommend to your to your listeners to read that book.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
But again, now we know that that he was lined
to Congress about funding gain a function. Uh, we're seeing
more examples of custom Borab Show picked up a couple
of people that used to work with Fauci's smuggling in
monkey pocks.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Come on, basically, yeah, I reported function research. This is
all about bioweapons.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Well, and again you said he predicted it. We needed
a pandemic. We got the same guy from you know,
twenty years ago saying, if you have it, that's the
best kind of immunity. Natural immunity is the best kind
of immunity. And then he completely switched sides. In this
day and age, so people watching and listening or yelling
at their TVs or they're yelling at their radios.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Run.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Can you undo the pardon that was done by the
auto pen for Fauci? I mean, please say that there's
something that can be done. The guy should at least
be in front.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Of a jury. He was a horrible It was a horrible.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Thing that he did. Can you undo that pardon? Are
you guys still even looking into that oversight? Courts might
be able to undo that. Again, that would be something
for your judicial system. States do not have a pardon, okay,
I don't apply to federal.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Question right, So that's a smart movie, right A case there. Again,
we've got to prove things. I think Santor Paul is
going to actually interview Fauci. I don't know what documents
since Sator Paul has. I mean before I interview people,
I like to have documents so they don't run circles
around me. So that's why we haven't interviewed these people
just have had anything to really ask him, and they'll
just you know, squirm and wiggle out of any kind
(19:03):
of question.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
But now we've got hard proof.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Explain this, yeah, explain why you told this woman to
cease and desist? As opposed to pin a medal on
her chest and say thank you for showing a flaw
in our system here so that we can warn doctors
and in forming the American public.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
How do you explain yourself there?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I will tell you they're pretty impervious to those kinds
of questions. Though these guys are brazen.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It is a US Senator Ron Johnson, Great State of Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Ron.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Back to the first point that you made, and I'm
glad that we spent the entire time on this because
this is so important to everybody watching and listening. I
just flew from from from Texas to New York and
back and people are still wearing masks. I mean, there
are people out there that have no information whatsoever. So,
circling back to your first point, how do we break
through that major Garrett good Enough reporter? Why is it
(19:53):
only online? Why are we seeing Scott Pelly everywhere? But
we're not seeing this story that affected everybody? Can you
break through with the Big Three? Is there any movement
at all? Because remember when you and I talked about
January sixth, all of them jumped on your back, all
of them said you said the wrong thing about January
sixth and you didn't. They took it out of context,
and all of them had no problem running with it.
So it's not about Ron Johnson. It's about showing some
(20:16):
sort of shade or actually showing some light on a
story that was in the shade and hidden and cloaked
from us for so long, so long. Question short, Can
we break through that barrier that's being put up by
the so called free media.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well, normally I don't ask to be on people's shows
they invite beyond and I agree, Yes, come on, we
are bugging the you know what out of all these programs,
which again just shows you how dedicated they are to
not covering this story. So I will continue to bug them.
I will continue to shame them publicly. I'm doing it
right now. Come on ABC, come on NBC, come on PBS,
(20:51):
come on CNN, you know, put me on. Let me
tell this story so the American people understand the corruption
of these eight that needs to be ended.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's Senator Ron Johns. I'm gonna post that all over
my social media, which is pretty substantial, and they will
see you saying that I'm gonna have that plea right
there that you just said. Because the people that watch me,
the people who know you, the people who want the truth,
are going to push this and spread this. We will
guilt them into doing it.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
We will.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
We will make sure that they get notification of that.
Ron I don't have a ton of more time, and
you gave me a bunch of time already. I'd be
remissive I didn't say, hey, you guys are doing oversight
on all the major agencies, the dj the FBI, the HHS.
Are you getting cooperation now to where you didn't get
any cooperation at all under Biden?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, we got zero from Biden. Yeah we're getting some.
But again, no matter who's in charge of those agency,
no matter who's president, these agencies are powers under themselves
that they don't a lot of these people don't really
believe in democracy. You're certainly not accountability to Congress. You know,
you got you know people, see I really think that
(21:57):
they don't.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Really they're not really accountable to the people. They're going
to run their own show.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Okay, So that is a problem that the permanent bureaucracy,
the deep state exists is pervasive. Unfortunately, it is primarily
populated by leftists, which eventually destroy this country.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Take away our freedom. So no, it's a challenge.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
It's not that body candy, it's not the cash Fortael's
not that Todd Blanche aren't trying.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
They are just and less.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
If you're a bureaucrat, there's sixteen ways on Sunday you
can make an excuse.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Oh, I just can't find that in some of those documents.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
We finally got a top or cash Fortel phone in
a burn bag in a skiff. He didn't even know
about in a burn bag. So they just need to
get around to burning it before they left the door.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Ron as a former business owner and somebody who is very,
very successful. If I were in your employe and you said, Joe,
go and get me that report, and I said back,
I can't find it, you'd say you're fired. Let me
find somebod who can find it. Bob, you go and
get me the report, and Bob can't do you find?
Can we not fire these people? Can we not show
them the door? Why do they think that they have
the right to just stay in the job and deny
(23:02):
doing anything that you guys are asking for.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Well, this gets We've given a lot of protections to
government employees, and again you don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
So, I mean, I'm sure these a lot of these
people are really.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Smooth and they believe they you know, they give the
secretary's confidence that I can trust this person right where
they're stabbing him in the back. So again, it's a nasty,
nasty business when you're talking about power. As Lord Acton said,
power corrupts absolute, power corrupts absolutely.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
These people in these agencies are powerful, and they do
corrupt the process.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And again, regardless of the tension of a President Trump
or the people he's put in these agencies politically that
the permity Broxi can frustrate them.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Sixteen when we heys on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Let's finish with this, it's Senator Ron Johnson, Great State
of Wisconsin. When it comes it's circling back to COVID.
When it comes to COVID, you and I have spent
a dozen or so interviews talking about the increase in
spending just for the pandemic. Pandemic has been over for
five years now, four or five years now. Why exactly
haven't we rolled back the one point seven trillion, the
two trillion that was added. Why is that still in there?
(24:11):
Why are we still overspending when those programs were meant
specifically to help Americans harmed by COVID.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Because spending is absolutely a bipartisan problem. You know when
people ask, why can't you guys do things in a
by parson basis, why can't you compromise? Oh, trust me
when it comes to spending money. We don't have mortgage
our kids future. There's a lot of by parson cooperations.
So and again the public lights they're free, free government
money right right now.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
They're looking the other way.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
This massive amount of fraud that's being uncovered by people
like Nick Sorter.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Doctor ozis came to lunch. He's doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Here's an example that there were a third of all
hospice centers are in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
A third. That's enough within the country, so obviously there's
something going on there.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
So doctor Oz stopped sending money to four hundred of them.
Nobody complained, Well there you go, I mean via legitimate
hospa center. And also you need the money, you'd complain.
But if you're a fraudster, you just move on in price,
start up hospa center someplace else.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
When we hear about all the fraud are we rolling
it back. Are we keeping the money or is that
money going to better use elsewhere? Because again we hear
about it's in between nine and eighteen billion just in Minnesota.
In California might be over one hundred billion dollars in Ohio.
They're uncovering all sorts of fraud and it's happening everywhere
red and blue state. Are we rolling the money back?
Are we lowering the deficit with the money? I want
to feel like our money is being used for the
(25:37):
right things.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So the estimate of fraud range somewe between two hundred
fifty billion two a trillion.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Dollars a year early mackerel. The DOJ is.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Proscuting about four point seven billion. Now, so now you're
not going to be able to prosecute and recovered. Yeah,
it's prosecute, but that's not the You had to prevent
it from ever going, which is exactly what DoD Drows
is doing. He identifies these hospice centers, they're making them
re certify. He stops funding and that's the way to
do it. You have to do it in the front end.
You can never let the dollars out the door. But
(26:05):
Unforcning Democrats, love government, they love making people dependent on it,
and they could care less about fraud.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
So we have no willing partners in Congress to clamp
down these things.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
But again, doctor oz this administration is dedicated to doing it.
They're trying to stop it on the front end. So
the dollars don't even go out the door, because once
they're gone, almost impossible to get most of it back.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, I hed doctor Ozon a week and a half ago.
He's doing a great job with that. Let's finish with this.
When it comes to this fraud going on run, Is
there any way that the governor of a state, the
lieutenant governor, the attorney general doesn't know it's going on?
Are they incompetent or is your possible collusion?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well, I think personally there's you know, with the walls
and a g Ellison, my guess, total collusion.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
My guess is total awareness.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I hope there's some kind of crime they can be
indicted on, because no, they just let this go on
right beneath their nose. If they weren't complicit in it.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
It's Senator Ron Johnson, thanks for all the time, Ron.
As usual, Well, we're going to make sure we get
the word out there about the media, forcing the media's
hand to cover this story, which is by far one
of the biggest stories in a generation or two. Thanks
for the time, Thanks for the hard work, Appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Thanks for having me on take Care.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
All right, somebody stupid said something stupid. That's one of
the things that I like doing. I think I've built
my social media's outlining that and I got to put
it out there. And those of you who are in
South Dakota, I apologize upfront, but I find your senator
be an absolute dork. This guy, John Thune should not
be the Senate Majority leader. And every single time he
has an opportunity to put the same America Act as
(27:34):
part of a piece of legislation, he refuses, just doesn't
seem to do it. I don't know why, keeps on
making excuses, why I just don't have the votes. Well,
get the votes. What is the job as the majority leader?
If you can't bring legislation to the floor. You can't
bring legislation to a vote. If you can't rally your troops.
You've got fifty three Republicans in there to forty seven Democrats.
(27:55):
You can't make that happen. Really, why.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
It's a well known fact around here, sometimes perhaps not
fully grasp around the country, but anybody who follows this
process closely knows that we don't have the votes and
the only way that you could figure out a way
to get the votes. And even in that case, to say,
if America Act didn't even get fifty votes last week
(28:18):
on the floor of the Senate, but even if you
confine it to what is.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
He talking about now? This is, I guess in response
to the President saying it's time to go and get
this done. And I'm actually going to start it again,
but pause it because on the screen it actually shows
a truth from President Donald Trump. A few Democrats are
against PISA, with or without Bill POULTI going to d
and I as acting. What kind of a deal is that? Besides,
(28:44):
I'm against PISA if it doesn't come with a Save
America Act full version firmly attached to it, make America
great again. Thank you for your attention of this matter,
President Donald J. Trump, and the guy who has chosen
as the Senate majority leader just says, look, we don't
have the votes. And again it's my question is simple,
who was supposed to get the votes? It's you, and
(29:06):
then he says, like it's a matter of fact, Look,
we couldn't even get fifty votes last week. When it
came to the same Megan, why not you got fifty
three Republicans? Why couldn't you get fifty what's the issue?
It's on you, dude.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
It's a well known fact around here, sometimes perhaps not
fully grasp around the country, but anybody who follows this
process closely knows that we don't have the votes. And
the only way that you could figure out a way
to get the votes. And even in that case, the say,
if America Act didn't even get fifty votes last week
(29:39):
on the floor of the Senate, but even if you confine.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
It to why not, why don't you have the votes?
Because the follow up question from whomever it is that's
asking him the question should have been, well why not
why don't you have him? What's the question? What exactly
is that that's holding things back? Who's the majority leader?
And actually make him answer that, well, why can't you
(30:02):
get the fifty three on your side? Because you know,
damn well, if it were fifty one, hell, they didn't
need fifty one. When it was fifty to fifty, they
still got everything done they wanted to get done because
you had fifty Democrats voting for it, fifty Republicans voting
voting against it, and Kamala Harris would come in to
save the day and be the deciding vote as the
(30:24):
President of the Senate. This guy isn't even getting you
fifty to fifty, so JD Vans can break the tie?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And nobody seems to want to ask him that question.
I haven't had them on. I don't think they'll come on.
I've been an open critic of his on X. I
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