June 24, 2026 • 30 mins
Former Pinal County Sheriff Mark Lamb is running for Congress in Arizona's District 5 — and someone doesn't want him to make it. Lamb joins Joe Pags to expose what insiders are calling a "Democrat plant" in his own Republican primary: an opponent funded by dark money whose sole mission is to destroy Lamb's reputation and hand the seat to a Democrat.
But that's just the beginning.
Lamb breaks down why Arizona voters rank border security as their #1 issue, why he says election integrity is "impossible" as long as mail-in ballots exist in Maricopa County, and why he would have arrested the Newark protesters on Day One — no questions asked.
Plus: the warning every conservative in Arizona needs to hear — "If you don't show up and vote, you'll end up just like California."
Topics covered:
- The "Democrat Plant" targeting Lamb's congressional race
- Border security: what Arizona voters actually want
- Election integrity and the Maricopa County problem
- How bad leadership is driving cops out of blue cities
- Why gun owners and hunters MUST vote in 2026
- The fight to take the "boot of government off the throat of the American people"
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
They never talk about the job that I did. They
only talk about personal things, personal lies and attacks. They
don't talk about the job that I did and what
the people of Arizona want and Americans want. They're sick
and tired of negative politics. They want candidates to focus
on the issues.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I don't like what I'm seeing out of this race.
And I'm going to say that knowing how popular you
are in so much of Arizona, knowing that you've gotten
the endorsement of President Trump, but to me, a favor
in comparing contrast running for county sheriff with running for
a US House of Representative seat, is it different?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's been very different. Look, I enjoyed being the sheriff.
I have a tough race.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I had some real nasty guy run against me when
I was running for sheriff the second time. The Senate
race was far less nasty than this congressional race. To me,
it is really it's really surprising that somebody would not
only put up a ton of their money, which we
may maybe dark money, but that they would try to
destroy the character and the family of another person only
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because they want a political office. And that's what I've
run into in this congressional race. I have a candidate
that's running against me in the Republican primary that has
no shot of winning.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
We have the redone polling, we're still plotting them.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But she has taken this opportunity to fuel fire with
the media and then taken that and he's actually gone
out and not done anything to promote his own campaign,
but just to tear me and my family down and
all the good work that I've done over the last
eight years as a sheriff. But here's the thing, Joe.
They never talk about the job that I did. They
only talk about personal things, personal lies and attacks. They
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don't talk about the job that I did and what
the people of Arizona want and Americans want. They're sick
and tired of negative politics. They want candidates to focus
on the issues and actually do what's right for Americans.
So I think people are afraid, are sick and tired
of it. But this is exactly why good people don't run,
and it's also why Republicans they're losing elections.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's a former sheriff of Mark Lampanel Kenny, Arizona, running
for District five Republican Great State of Arizona. What's interesting
to me is that I'm seeing a lot of this
in similar races. Mark, I think there's a so called
Republican that jumps in to water somebody like you down,
to attack you, because the real motivation here is to
have a Democrat get a seat that a Democrat didn't
have before. Andy Biggs is the sitting representative in that seat,
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and he's done a good job. You are the obvious candidate,
the obvious choice to take his place as he runs
for governor of the state of Arizona. So do you
think there's anything to what I just said that this
could be? You said dark money quickly? Could this be
a Democrat operation to let water down Lamb and make
him look as bad as possible, maybe we grab that seat.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Absolutely, We're hearing from a lot of people that the
opponent I have is probably a Democrat plan. We've heard
from the White House and other places too that they're
seeing this all across this country. President Trump has been
winning the people that he's been endorsing or winning their primaries,
their elections, and now you start to see it here
at Arizona. We're a late primary, and all of a sudden,
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now we're getting attacked, and the attacks are actually coming
worse from within within the own party, and so we
have to We've gotten a lot of information that this
is probably a Democrat plant.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
The dark money.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I think outside of thirty thousand dollars, every bit of
one point five million, I think that they've raised has
been just a big chunk from the actual candidate.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
So you have to question where that money came from.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's Sheriff Mark Lamb running for District five. And again,
if you're in District five and you guys listen to
me every night, this is the guy for you. He's
Trump endorsed and you know the job that he's done
as Paneal County sheriff. Can you describe District five? Is
Panal County in District five? Is it any border county?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
So?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Panal County is part of District five, so it's part
of Maricopa County. So this could be Southeast Valley of
the Phoenix area. It's gonna be South Chandler, Gilbert, Queen Creek,
Santam Valley, East Mesa, and Apache Junction is the district.
It's a very strong red district. It's a great district.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
A lot of great.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Middle probably a middle class to slow high income, very
religious folks. This is a great district and that's why
it's consistently been one of the best districts in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
And I'm honored to be able to run for the seat.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Are the people in Arizona ready for the border to
be as secure as you and I want it to be.
And I'm not asking a sort of a general question.
I mean specifically as a purplish state, we're told is
that state done with illegal immigration coming and causing mayhem,
causing crime? Are they more in support with how you
enforced the border as the Pinal County sheriff and those
who are wondering geographic, it's not a border county. It
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is because you, guys, border the Indian Reservation, and the
reservation borders the border, or it straddles the border. Right,
So are they ready as a state or actually that
district which is more important. Are they ready for the
border to be secure, really closed and get back to
to having a good life, not worrying about who's coming across.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Well, they are.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
And to get to your point, the budget just was released,
and the budget contains a lot of money that's going
to go towards making sure that we continue to secure
the border. President Trump has come in and done a
really great job the executive orders that this is the issue.
We're working on executive orders, and those could go away
overnight if we got the wrong administration back in there
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like we had with Biden. So we've got to make
sure we get people that understand the border back to Washington. Now,
you might be saying, if you're listening somewhere in the country, thinking,
how how's the border still the number one? You know,
it's still a top issue. We just did polling last week, which,
by the way, shows were really strong and winning by
a large, large margin in this primary. But it also
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told us that the number one issue was still border
and immigration. Number two was the economy, and number three
was election integrity right here in this district. And so
it is still one of the top issues, and Arizona's
have an appetite because we've seen it firsthand of fixing
this immigration problem and the border security problem long term
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HR two. They're trying to get that through right now.
They did it a few years ago. Senate surprise, surprise,
didn't pick it up.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
And run it through.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Now we're doing it again. So let's hope that HR
two gets through the House again onto the Senate, and
let's hope the Senate actually do what does what's right
for the American people.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
It's a sheriff, Mark Lamb. Go to is it America's
Sheriff dot com? Is it still still up and running
or is it aflame dot com?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
You can go to Marklamb dot us.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
All right now, Mark Lamb dot us, and I would
love any support you can get on this campaign. We're
trying to close out this fundraising site this quarter by
the end of the month, So if you want to
donate a few bucks, doesn't matter where you're from in
this country. The decisions and the votes that we that
I make in Arizona will affect you just as much
as if you live in Indiana or our Michigan or
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any one of those states you know in this where
every vote from every congressman affects every state.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Marklam dot us, M A R K l A MB
dot us, go and support his candidacy. Well, when it
comes to what you're running for, a lot of people
can get lost in the noise, and there's a lot
of noise you're attacking you, your family, your value system,
which is stupid. I've known you a long time. Your
values are top notch. I don't understand why they're doing it,
but they're doing it, and people have a very short
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attention span. Are you fearful that people will buy the
narrative that they're trying to hang around your neck?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Well?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Sure, Look, I mean there's got to be some people
that are gonna I don't know. Republicans don't ever. We
don't believe the fake media, but all of a sudden,
if you write something about somebody who's a high profile,
there's going to be a certain percentage of people. The
majority of the people, like I said, are tired of
this negative politics. The majority of the people know these
are lies. They have seen the body of my work.
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Like the scriptures say, by their fruits you shall know them.
I've got in just I'm not Johnny cum Lately. I've
been in this political field, and I've been on an
a national level, and I've been fighting for border security,
I've been fighting against COVID. I have taken a national
stance on many issues. And this is what happens. You know,
you get in the crosshairs of people that don't want
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you in Washington, d C. But the fact that the
paper is attacked me should tell every Republican I'm exactly
who they want in Congress because they clearly don't want
me there, and honestly, Washington, d C. This is why
they're trying so hard to keep a guy like myself
out of there, is because they know that I represent
the people.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Marklamb dot Us Marklamb dot Us at Sheriff of Mark
Lamb retired Panel County, Arizona, running for District five Republican
Grace State of Arizona. Let me finish with this. I
don't know how it works in Arizona. Here in Texas,
you get one Republican, you get one Democrat. They run
against each other in the general. In California, the top
two vote getters doesn't matter what party they're in, they
run for the general. Is it a Republican versus a
Democrat in November?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, thankfully, we don't have rank choice voting. We have
straight up voting.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So we're gonna have one Republican and one Democrat. And
if you have independence, which we don't in this race,
you could potentially have an independent as well. But we're
gonna have one Republican, one Democrat, and this, like I said,
is a very strong red district.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Is it a runoff system? Where here in Texas you've
got to have fifty percent plus one to win the
actual primary. If not, you've got to do a runoff
like here in this state, we just had Senator John
Cornyn do a runoff against Ken Paxton. Paxton beat him.
Is there a runoff system or just the top vote
get her wins?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
The top vote we get her wins? Is how it
should be? You know, the winner, the guy who gets
the most votes to move on. This whole is expensive
to run elections, so when you do these as the runoffs,
it's ridiculous. She gets some of the wins, then it
goes to a runoff, and you're waste some more money.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
It should just be whoever wins goes off to the
general election.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You and I cannot agree more. Should you get to
Congress next January? What's job one?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Job one? I think is we have to secure the
border and fix immigrations. That job one.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Job two is start to figure out how many how
we can peel back the government overreach that we have
in our lives. Start peeling back all these restrict restrictions,
all these requirements, all these fees, and everything that the
government is imposed on the American people. We got to
take the boot of government off the throat of the
American people and let the American businesses, the American economy
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drive itself forward. But as long as government continues to
get in the way, we're going to have a problem.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
So I'd love to be that guy that stands there
and says we don't.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Need more government. We need to be more efficient with
the people's tax dollars. And so there's a lot of
work to do there. I think long we got some
long term stuff and we had to work on IRS
is out of control.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Taxes are out of control.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
People are restrictions on our constitutional rights, including our Second Amendment.
That's got to get back to where the founding fathers intended.
There's a lot of work that needs to be done,
and we need real patriots in Washington to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I know how much people in the Sheriff's department loved
working for you. I know Frank very well. I know
a couple of other deputies in Panel County as well,
just from lipd and from other stuff. I know that
you did it right as the leader of the police.
The reason I bring this up is policing in America
really depends on what county, what city, what area, what
state you're in. In Minnesota, in Minneapol, they cut the
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budget and then complained that there wasn't enough law enforcement.
In New York, you've got a police force fifty sixty
thousand large that don't want to work from Umdani. I
know the deputies wanted to work for you. If you
had the button where you could fix policing and the
relationship between those police work for and the job they're doing.
How do you fix it. There's such a diversity and
how police officers or sheriff deputies are treated in this country.
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I'd like to see it fix. Can it be.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Well?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
First of all, if you try to fix it by
throwing a blanket over nationally, each district, each area has
its different problems. However, leadership and good leadership is consistent.
What you need is you don't need mayors and city
councils telling police chiefs or sheriffs.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Sheriffs. They can't tell us what to do anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I think this is the beauty of the Office of
sheriff is that we at work for the people, not
for some mayor not for some city council. That's why
you see the problems that you're seeing in Minneapolis or California.
You have these local politicians that have determined that they
want to create laws that make it impossible for local
law enforcement to work with our federal partners. And so
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what I would like to see on a whole is
more law enforcement leadership with a backbone, with a set
of you know, with a pair to be able to
go in and actually stand up for what's right and
do the hard work that's necessary to protect our communities
from the bad guys and frankly from government overreach as well.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
How does a frontline police officer, or sheriff's deputy or
state police officer, how do they react when you've got
somebody like mum Donnie who says, I don't think people
should be in Rikers Island. I think that people should
be let out of no cash bail. Says Alvin Bragg
in New York. I mean, how do you even do
the job knowing that you could die tonight on the
job that you've decided to do, and the city hall
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doesn't have your back. The prosecutor doesn't have your back,
the governor doesn't have your back. That's got I mean,
the morale's got to suck in places like that.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Well, it's kind of a lot like running for Congress.
When Congress has a nine percent approval rating.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You know, you think, well, I got to go back
there and work with these other people. But the reality is,
I'm still willing to go back because I have a
love for this country. I the love for freedom. I
have a servant's heart, and I want to make sure
that other people receive that good service. That's what you
see in a lot of the law enforcement men and
women who still go out and do their job.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
It's because they love this country and they want to
protect those who they serve.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Now, there are a lot of them that are just
gonna say, well, I'm just not going to do anything.
I'm just gonna sit here and respond to calls after
the smoke is cleared, and we'll just pick up the pieces.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
And that's not good for society.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
But that starts when you get bad leadership on a
government level, locally or statewide or even federally. And it's
even worse when you get it within the agencies, and
they just are so concerned about protecting their huge salaries
that they don't actually go out and do the right
job and protect their people. So yeah, this is a
problem that we're seeing on industry wide, and the way
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we fix it is with real leadership. And I'm afraid
that sometimes it's not always easy to find in this profession.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Mark lamb dot us is the website. Let me show
it to you, Mark lamb Us. He's running for US
Congress District five, Republican Great State of Arizona, and he's
the man I mean you. I've known you a long time.
You've always been the man I thought you were. Sometimes
when you meet people that you really like, sometimes when
you meet your heroes, they're not they who they look
to be. You are exactly who you appear to be.
And I want you to be in Congress. I want
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you to make that happen when it comes to and again,
I want to keep going back to policing. There's such
a diversity. Are we seeing a migration from cops in
Boston and New York going to Arizona, going to Texas,
going to Florida, going and finding a job where they
can't actually get the support that they deserve from either
city hall or the sheriff himself or herself, or from
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the governor of the state. I gather that we're seeing
some of that mark.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Do you see that too, You are seeing a migration.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Here's the problem, though, cities pay a lot, you know,
you go to New California and some of those agencies
pay so much money that the change the jump is
too big of a jump for a lot of these folks,
and they just can't make it. But there are a
lot of people. What's even more concerning, Joe is there's
a lot of them that are retiring. Guys who still
have a good ten years left in their career have
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decided to just hang it up because the leadership isn't right,
or the leadership of the politicians in the city are
not right.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
And that is even more concerning because.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
All the guys who know how to do the job
really well are walking away from it, whether they leave
their state or retire. And then what we're left with
is a lot of the product that has been the
product of this new generation. Maybe they don't work as hard,
maybe they're not treating this like a career and more
like just a temporary job.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
That is the challenges we face in this profession now.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And unfortunately, those old salty Sea dogs that have really
been good for the industry are being really kind of
pushed out and really walking out on their own because
they're sick and tired of the nonsense.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
What is the status of Arizona? Mark, And what I
mean is politically, I said purple earlier, I think you
could probably make a good argument that it's a red state.
I think you're voting is screwed up in that state.
Has that been remedied? Has that been fixed? Not doing
the Save America Act in the Senate, It's ridiculous. They
should do the Save America Act and then we won't
have to worry about Americapa County taking too long to
vote or having the wrong size ballots, or Pinal County
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not having enough Republican ballots but plenty of Democrat ballots.
What's the status of if you had to tell me
politically it's a red state or a blue state? Is
it really purplish or is it more red than we think?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
It's a red state?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
But here's the problem is Republicans, just like in my race, now,
I got a theoretical Republican candidate or opponent who's doing
all the Democrats work like he's going out and trashing me,
and ultimately we're going to win the primary, but it's
going to be making this race a lot harder in
the general election. We're seeing that on the government or
to race instead of focusing on the Democrats, and they
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are horrific policies and the socialist agenda that they're pushing
in this country. We're busy fighting with each other because
we're so desperate to win a political position.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
I would never, actually.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I would never spend a dime going after a Republican
for the sake of just winning to political office.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
My honor means more than that to me. I would
rather win with honor or lose with honor.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I know I've discussed my having a Republican opponent who's
doing this type of work, but you haven't noticed. I
haven't mentioned any names, and I won't because what I
think we've got to do better is we've got to
stay more unified and really focus on who the thread
is and the.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Threat in this country are those who are pushing a
socialist's agenda, and that has become the Democrat Party.
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And in Arizona we missed the mark on that and
we tend to do all the dirty work for the
Democrats flaw before we get to the general. And the
other piece is I'm very active nationally in something called
Vote for America, where we're actually trying to make sure
that people get out and vote Arizona in each election,
we're about one hundred and fifty thousand hunters and gun
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owners and people that just want to be left alone
and live the American dream. They're not showing up to vote,
and that has a huge impact as well. So this
is a call to all Americans out there. You may
be disenchanted with both parties and where the what's going
on in Washington or at a state level, but not
voting is not going to help. You've got to show
up and vote or we're going to end up in
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Arizona like they are in California.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
So I think we are a red state. But we
have got to.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Get off this whole beating each other up and we've
got to get back to focusing on the issues and
focusing on the issues, the Democrat issues which are hurting
this country. That's what our focus should be. That's why
I say Arizona's red state. We just got to get
it right. We're not doing it right right now, and
we got to be better.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
It is a shrif Mark lam retire Panel County Arizona
running for District's five Republican Great State of Arizona, go
to Mark Lamb dot us. Mark Lamb dot Us. I
didn't realize that there was a hunter apathy problem when
it came to voting until I talked to my friend
Ted Nugent and he said that he signed up hundreds
of thousands of hunters that warn't taking part. Whatsoever, I
wonder are the hunters and areas I didn't realize there
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are that many that weren't voting. Are the hunters in
Arizona turned off by the fact that they know that
there were questions about the voting machines, They know there
are questions about the ballot, the ballots that weren't being
counted in Americopa County and the lack of a chain
of custody on those ballots that were all thrown into
a garbage bag. And taking somewhere else and allegedly counted.
I mean, hunters aren't stupid, they're smart. Maybe they don't
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think their vote will count. Can you convince them that
it will was done?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Well?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
First of all, I think the hunters are disenchanted with
the direction of government in general, Republicans and Democrats number two. Yes,
the elections. They think, well, what doesn't matter, my vote
doesn't matter. But I think even bigger than that, Joe,
is the accountability issue. You know, we continue to see
we just saw more information come out about FAUCI, about
COVID and the damage it did to this country and
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the globe, and we're just going to have people walk
away scott free, not be held accountable, the auto pen,
all of these issues. You know, there's a lot of
people angry about Epstein's stuff. This is a lot of
things that have built and these people that are gun
owners and this want to be left alone. They accountability
is a big issue for them. And so as long
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as we continue to fail to hold people accountable, they're
going to say to themselves, what does it matter? Why
should I even waste my time going and voting If they're.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Not going to do anything.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It is Sheriff Mark Lamb, retired Banal County, Arizona, running
for District five Republican. Go and check them out, Mark
Lamb dot us, Marklamb dot us, this is the website.
Go and support as candidacy. You don't have to be
in Arizona to support as candidacy. And I'll bet that
the other people running for that race are not getting
a lot of support from Arizona. They're getting a lot
of support from outside. Let me finish with this. If
you were the county sheriff where Delaney Hall is in NewYork,
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New Jersey, how would you handle that ridiculous protest that
they're allowing to happen, Burning fires, getting in people's faces,
yelling on megaphones, putting all sorts of debris in the streets,
hoping to harm the ice and the CBP vehicles. How
would you shut that down? Because what they're doing is
not legal under the First Amendment. And I don't think
that you would take it very long.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
No, we wouldn't take it at all.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
We would have arrested them the first day they started
this behavior, and we would have assisted our federal partners
in protecting that place.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Look, they're trying to do a job.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
The job is to remove people that are in this
country illegally, and especially the types of criminals that they're removing.
They need local law enforcement to help when people do
what they're doing in New Jersey, which is breaking the law.
People don't understand the First Amendment has nothing about rioting.
It says that you have the right to assemble peaceably
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and then that you also have the right to petition
your government for a redress of grievances. Standing outside of
an ice facility checks neither one of those boxes, especially
when you're not doing it peaceably. If you have an
issue with government, go to where your senator's office or
your congressman's officer. Local elected officials don't go to obstruct
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law enforcement. Here's the law on a federal basis, just
and there's state laws too.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Thirteen twenty four USC. Thirteen twenty four says you cannot conceal,
harbor or shield. I mean, if this is if you're
out there getting in the way, are you not shielding
our federal partners from being able to do their job.
And I think that goes as far as to these
sanctuary cities too. I think that they should hold some
of these people accountable because they're breaking federal law. So
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what we need is local law enforcement to show up
and put some people in cuffs and take them to jail,
and some prosecutors to hold them accountable.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
And I promise you you'll solve that problem right away.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Why can't you be sheriff of America. I think that'd
be good. I think you would solve a lot of
problems very very quickly. It is a sheriff Mark Lamb
retired Pennel Kenny, Arizona. Let me finish with one last question.
How big an abject failure has Katie Hobbs been and
is that expeeriment over? Will you get a Republican in
there next time for governor?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I do think.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I think Andy Biggs is going to easily win the primary,
and I think Andy Biggs is going to do well
in the general election as well. I think a lot
of it depends where we're at nationally, and I think
now we're starting to pull and trend back really well.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
The economy, the Iran thing, all of these things.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I think we're starting to trend in the right direction,
and that's good timing so that we get into the
I think a lot of it's going to depend on
the national temperature.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
We do need to get some changes in this state.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You know, we've got two Democrat governor, a Democrat governor,
two Democrat senators, and we are better. You know, we
can do better than that. And I think that Andy's
going to do well in this election. And then Andy's
what he said is one of the first things he's
going to do is fix elections here in the state
of Arizona. And I think that should start with by
stop sending out mail out ballots. You cannot expect to
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have a fair election as long as you're sending ballots
out through the mail.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
That is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
If you can't, as a citizen show up to vote
every couple of years, I mean, that's like that does
like the lowest bar of citizenship. Yet we've made it
so so convoluted and so rot with potential fraud, and
I think Andy Biggs will get that back under control
here in the state of Arizona.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
He's a good man. Sheriff Mark Lamb retired now panel Keny, Arizona.
Go to Mark Lamb dot us support is candidacy right
now running for District five Republican, Great State of Arizona. Mark,
thanks for the time. As always, I wish you nothing
but the best in the primary and let's take this
thing home. Thanks for the time today.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Thank you, Joe. I always appreciate you and coming on
your show, so thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Before we go, make sure you subscribe. We're building subscribers
here and dropping five to seven, sometimes ten videos a week.
But I also want to give you a story that
we did on the show about a couple that did
IVF and got the wrong baby. You got to see this.
I want to get something off the off the beaten
path that Polo has sent my way, and this one's weird,
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completely off the newspath. I just want to know if
you would do what this couple did IVF in vitro fertilization.
They were able to conceive, had the fertilized egg implanted,
went through the process of having the child, and the
child isn't theirs. Let me give you the story from
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TMZ couple keeping baby that isn't genetically theirs, written by
TMZ staff. And there's the couple. It's a white couple.
I don't think I'm crossing any boundaries by saying the
baby is at least brown. In the story, it probably
will say the ethnicity of the baby. It's clear this
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is not this couple's child. A Florida couple who gave
birth to IVF were shocked to learn the baby isn't
genetically theirs, but they still want to be her mother
and father, and they've struck a deal with biological parents.
Here's the deal. Tiffany Score and Stephen Bills are suing
Fertility Center of Orlando for allegedly implanting the wrong embryo.
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Tiffany gave birth to Shay Score Mills, who doesn't look
like her Stephen, to say the least. I added Tiffany
and Stephen, who have finally reached a custody agreement with
her daughter's biological parents, according to the court documents obtained
by People, six months after Tiffany gave birth, the filing
says Tiffany and Stephen retained their rights to continue as
Shay's permanent custodial parents. I mean, if I can describe it,
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she's blonde hair, blue eyed, whiter than I could ever be,
and the baby is black or Indian or something, and
the lady's very happy. I mean, God, bless him for
wanting to keep the child. I'm just wondering, would you
want to keep the child? I think the child should
go to her biological parents, probably, but I don't. I'm
a man, I don't carry children. I'll ask CJ in
a minute what she would do. Tiffany and Steve announced
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in April that they've tracked down Shay's parents through genetic testing.
A representative for the couple told people Tiffany and Steve
recognized the public interest in the deed tales of their
IVF experience, and they appreciate the role the news media
has played in bringing them and Shay to the point
where Shae's genetic parents were able to be identified and
fears about Shay's future have been settled. The rep continue
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Tivity and Steve are committed to respect their privacy concerns
of Shae's genetic parents, with whom they have begun to
and intend to continue to foster a relationship of friendship
and trust. They're also committed to protecting Shae from harmful
intrusion on her privacy. Tiffany and Steve have produced and
stored three viable embryos or Fertility Center of Orlando and
are now transporting their remaining embryo to another facility. According
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to the court, Ducks Fertility Center of Orlando announced in
April that it will close down and be replaced by
another facility. Well, I would think, so make a mistake
like that. So you go through the process. You can't
do it the usual way, the natural way. You get IVF,
which I am all for. You have the fertilized egg
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implanted in the mother's uterus, assume that it's from the
man and the woman who are having the baby. Baby
comes out ain't their baby, but they want to keep
it aapola. Were a couple of dudes, what would you
do in this situation, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
That's tough because did they mention what happened to their baby?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
No, they just never implanted it. They implanted the wrong
fertilized egg. They never implanted their their egg.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
I mean, I guess because they've already gone through that
nine month period of expecting the baby and getting close
to what they thought was their baby, right, I guess
at that point it becomes their baby.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I mean, but I mean the parents of the child,
the literal parents, genetic parents exist. Yeah, but clearly they
were going they're going through IVF as well because they
had an egg there.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Yeah, and it sounds like they got paid off or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Oh yeah, they've come to an understanding and agreement means
they got paid off. I would say, right right, all right,
see you're the mom here on the on the staff,
fill me in, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I absolutely would keep the baby really fourished and grew
inside of me for nine months? Yeah, I mean, yeah,
that's my baby. That would make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
But you know the parents wanted a baby, and the
parents do exist, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I mean if I'm the one who you know, nourished
it and made it grow, basically, yeah, that would be
my baby.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
This is exactly why men can't have babies, because I
cannot relate. I'd be like, yeah, that's not a baby,
you know what I mean. But you're saying without a
doubt because your body goes through all this stuff. Then
of course you're like, I did the work, Why am
I not getting the baby? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I would have a very hard time letting go of
that child.
They never talk about the job that I did. They
only talk about personal things, personal lies and attacks. They
don't talk about the job that I did and what
the people of Arizona want and Americans want. They're sick
and tired of negative politics. They want candidates to focus
on the issues.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I don't like what I'm seeing out of this race.
And I'm going to say that knowing how popular you
are in so much of Arizona, knowing that you've gotten
the endorsement of President Trump, but to me, a favor
in comparing contrast running for county sheriff with running for
a US House of Representative seat, is it different?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's been very different. Look, I enjoyed being the sheriff.
I have a tough race.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I had some real nasty guy run against me when
I was running for sheriff the second time. The Senate
race was far less nasty than this congressional race. To me,
it is really it's really surprising that somebody would not
only put up a ton of their money, which we
may maybe dark money, but that they would try to
destroy the character and the family of another person only
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because they want a political office. And that's what I've
run into in this congressional race. I have a candidate
that's running against me in the Republican primary that has
no shot of winning.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
We have the redone polling, we're still plotting them.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But she has taken this opportunity to fuel fire with
the media and then taken that and he's actually gone
out and not done anything to promote his own campaign,
but just to tear me and my family down and
all the good work that I've done over the last
eight years as a sheriff. But here's the thing, Joe.
They never talk about the job that I did. They
only talk about personal things, personal lies and attacks. They
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don't talk about the job that I did and what
the people of Arizona want and Americans want. They're sick
and tired of negative politics. They want candidates to focus
on the issues and actually do what's right for Americans.
So I think people are afraid, are sick and tired
of it. But this is exactly why good people don't run,
and it's also why Republicans they're losing elections.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's a former sheriff of Mark Lampanel Kenny, Arizona, running
for District five Republican Great State of Arizona. What's interesting
to me is that I'm seeing a lot of this
in similar races. Mark, I think there's a so called
Republican that jumps in to water somebody like you down,
to attack you, because the real motivation here is to
have a Democrat get a seat that a Democrat didn't
have before. Andy Biggs is the sitting representative in that seat,
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and he's done a good job. You are the obvious candidate,
the obvious choice to take his place as he runs
for governor of the state of Arizona. So do you
think there's anything to what I just said that this
could be? You said dark money quickly? Could this be
a Democrat operation to let water down Lamb and make
him look as bad as possible, maybe we grab that seat.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Absolutely, We're hearing from a lot of people that the
opponent I have is probably a Democrat plan. We've heard
from the White House and other places too that they're
seeing this all across this country. President Trump has been
winning the people that he's been endorsing or winning their primaries,
their elections, and now you start to see it here
at Arizona. We're a late primary, and all of a sudden,
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now we're getting attacked, and the attacks are actually coming
worse from within within the own party, and so we
have to We've gotten a lot of information that this
is probably a Democrat plant.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
The dark money.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I think outside of thirty thousand dollars, every bit of
one point five million, I think that they've raised has
been just a big chunk from the actual candidate.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
So you have to question where that money came from.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's Sheriff Mark Lamb running for District five. And again,
if you're in District five and you guys listen to
me every night, this is the guy for you. He's
Trump endorsed and you know the job that he's done
as Paneal County sheriff. Can you describe District five? Is
Panal County in District five? Is it any border county?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
So?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Panal County is part of District five, so it's part
of Maricopa County. So this could be Southeast Valley of
the Phoenix area. It's gonna be South Chandler, Gilbert, Queen Creek,
Santam Valley, East Mesa, and Apache Junction is the district.
It's a very strong red district. It's a great district.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
A lot of great.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Middle probably a middle class to slow high income, very
religious folks. This is a great district and that's why
it's consistently been one of the best districts in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
And I'm honored to be able to run for the seat.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Are the people in Arizona ready for the border to
be as secure as you and I want it to be.
And I'm not asking a sort of a general question.
I mean specifically as a purplish state, we're told is
that state done with illegal immigration coming and causing mayhem,
causing crime? Are they more in support with how you
enforced the border as the Pinal County sheriff and those
who are wondering geographic, it's not a border county. It
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is because you, guys, border the Indian Reservation, and the
reservation borders the border, or it straddles the border. Right,
So are they ready as a state or actually that
district which is more important. Are they ready for the
border to be secure, really closed and get back to
to having a good life, not worrying about who's coming across.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Well, they are.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
And to get to your point, the budget just was released,
and the budget contains a lot of money that's going
to go towards making sure that we continue to secure
the border. President Trump has come in and done a
really great job the executive orders that this is the issue.
We're working on executive orders, and those could go away
overnight if we got the wrong administration back in there
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like we had with Biden. So we've got to make
sure we get people that understand the border back to Washington. Now,
you might be saying, if you're listening somewhere in the country, thinking,
how how's the border still the number one? You know,
it's still a top issue. We just did polling last week, which,
by the way, shows were really strong and winning by
a large, large margin in this primary. But it also
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told us that the number one issue was still border
and immigration. Number two was the economy, and number three
was election integrity right here in this district. And so
it is still one of the top issues, and Arizona's
have an appetite because we've seen it firsthand of fixing
this immigration problem and the border security problem long term
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HR two. They're trying to get that through right now.
They did it a few years ago. Senate surprise, surprise,
didn't pick it up.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
And run it through.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Now we're doing it again. So let's hope that HR
two gets through the House again onto the Senate, and
let's hope the Senate actually do what does what's right
for the American people.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
It's a sheriff, Mark Lamb. Go to is it America's
Sheriff dot com? Is it still still up and running
or is it aflame dot com?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
You can go to Marklamb dot us.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
All right now, Mark Lamb dot us, and I would
love any support you can get on this campaign. We're
trying to close out this fundraising site this quarter by
the end of the month, So if you want to
donate a few bucks, doesn't matter where you're from in
this country. The decisions and the votes that we that
I make in Arizona will affect you just as much
as if you live in Indiana or our Michigan or
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any one of those states you know in this where
every vote from every congressman affects every state.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Marklam dot us, M A R K l A MB
dot us, go and support his candidacy. Well, when it
comes to what you're running for, a lot of people
can get lost in the noise, and there's a lot
of noise you're attacking you, your family, your value system,
which is stupid. I've known you a long time. Your
values are top notch. I don't understand why they're doing it,
but they're doing it, and people have a very short
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attention span. Are you fearful that people will buy the
narrative that they're trying to hang around your neck?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Well?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Sure, Look, I mean there's got to be some people
that are gonna I don't know. Republicans don't ever. We
don't believe the fake media, but all of a sudden,
if you write something about somebody who's a high profile,
there's going to be a certain percentage of people. The
majority of the people, like I said, are tired of
this negative politics. The majority of the people know these
are lies. They have seen the body of my work.
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Like the scriptures say, by their fruits you shall know them.
I've got in just I'm not Johnny cum Lately. I've
been in this political field, and I've been on an
a national level, and I've been fighting for border security,
I've been fighting against COVID. I have taken a national
stance on many issues. And this is what happens. You know,
you get in the crosshairs of people that don't want
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you in Washington, d C. But the fact that the
paper is attacked me should tell every Republican I'm exactly
who they want in Congress because they clearly don't want
me there, and honestly, Washington, d C. This is why
they're trying so hard to keep a guy like myself
out of there, is because they know that I represent
the people.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Marklamb dot Us Marklamb dot Us at Sheriff of Mark
Lamb retired Panel County, Arizona, running for District five Republican
Grace State of Arizona. Let me finish with this. I
don't know how it works in Arizona. Here in Texas,
you get one Republican, you get one Democrat. They run
against each other in the general. In California, the top
two vote getters doesn't matter what party they're in, they
run for the general. Is it a Republican versus a
Democrat in November?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, thankfully, we don't have rank choice voting. We have
straight up voting.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So we're gonna have one Republican and one Democrat. And
if you have independence, which we don't in this race,
you could potentially have an independent as well. But we're
gonna have one Republican, one Democrat, and this, like I said,
is a very strong red district.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Is it a runoff system? Where here in Texas you've
got to have fifty percent plus one to win the
actual primary. If not, you've got to do a runoff
like here in this state, we just had Senator John
Cornyn do a runoff against Ken Paxton. Paxton beat him.
Is there a runoff system or just the top vote
get her wins?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
The top vote we get her wins? Is how it
should be? You know, the winner, the guy who gets
the most votes to move on. This whole is expensive
to run elections, so when you do these as the runoffs,
it's ridiculous. She gets some of the wins, then it
goes to a runoff, and you're waste some more money.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
It should just be whoever wins goes off to the
general election.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You and I cannot agree more. Should you get to
Congress next January? What's job one?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Job one? I think is we have to secure the
border and fix immigrations. That job one.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Job two is start to figure out how many how
we can peel back the government overreach that we have
in our lives. Start peeling back all these restrict restrictions,
all these requirements, all these fees, and everything that the
government is imposed on the American people. We got to
take the boot of government off the throat of the
American people and let the American businesses, the American economy
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drive itself forward. But as long as government continues to
get in the way, we're going to have a problem.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
So I'd love to be that guy that stands there
and says we don't.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Need more government. We need to be more efficient with
the people's tax dollars. And so there's a lot of
work to do there. I think long we got some
long term stuff and we had to work on IRS
is out of control.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Taxes are out of control.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
People are restrictions on our constitutional rights, including our Second Amendment.
That's got to get back to where the founding fathers intended.
There's a lot of work that needs to be done,
and we need real patriots in Washington to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I know how much people in the Sheriff's department loved
working for you. I know Frank very well. I know
a couple of other deputies in Panel County as well,
just from lipd and from other stuff. I know that
you did it right as the leader of the police.
The reason I bring this up is policing in America
really depends on what county, what city, what area, what
state you're in. In Minnesota, in Minneapol, they cut the
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budget and then complained that there wasn't enough law enforcement.
In New York, you've got a police force fifty sixty
thousand large that don't want to work from Umdani. I
know the deputies wanted to work for you. If you
had the button where you could fix policing and the
relationship between those police work for and the job they're doing.
How do you fix it. There's such a diversity and
how police officers or sheriff deputies are treated in this country.
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I'd like to see it fix. Can it be.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Well?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
First of all, if you try to fix it by
throwing a blanket over nationally, each district, each area has
its different problems. However, leadership and good leadership is consistent.
What you need is you don't need mayors and city
councils telling police chiefs or sheriffs.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Sheriffs. They can't tell us what to do anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I think this is the beauty of the Office of
sheriff is that we at work for the people, not
for some mayor not for some city council. That's why
you see the problems that you're seeing in Minneapolis or California.
You have these local politicians that have determined that they
want to create laws that make it impossible for local
law enforcement to work with our federal partners. And so
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what I would like to see on a whole is
more law enforcement leadership with a backbone, with a set
of you know, with a pair to be able to
go in and actually stand up for what's right and
do the hard work that's necessary to protect our communities
from the bad guys and frankly from government overreach as well.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
How does a frontline police officer, or sheriff's deputy or
state police officer, how do they react when you've got
somebody like mum Donnie who says, I don't think people
should be in Rikers Island. I think that people should
be let out of no cash bail. Says Alvin Bragg
in New York. I mean, how do you even do
the job knowing that you could die tonight on the
job that you've decided to do, and the city hall
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doesn't have your back. The prosecutor doesn't have your back,
the governor doesn't have your back. That's got I mean,
the morale's got to suck in places like that.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Well, it's kind of a lot like running for Congress.
When Congress has a nine percent approval rating.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You know, you think, well, I got to go back
there and work with these other people. But the reality is,
I'm still willing to go back because I have a
love for this country. I the love for freedom. I
have a servant's heart, and I want to make sure
that other people receive that good service. That's what you
see in a lot of the law enforcement men and
women who still go out and do their job.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
It's because they love this country and they want to
protect those who they serve.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Now, there are a lot of them that are just
gonna say, well, I'm just not going to do anything.
I'm just gonna sit here and respond to calls after
the smoke is cleared, and we'll just pick up the pieces.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
And that's not good for society.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
But that starts when you get bad leadership on a
government level, locally or statewide or even federally. And it's
even worse when you get it within the agencies, and
they just are so concerned about protecting their huge salaries
that they don't actually go out and do the right
job and protect their people. So yeah, this is a
problem that we're seeing on industry wide, and the way
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we fix it is with real leadership. And I'm afraid
that sometimes it's not always easy to find in this profession.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Mark lamb dot us is the website. Let me show
it to you, Mark lamb Us. He's running for US
Congress District five, Republican Great State of Arizona, and he's
the man I mean you. I've known you a long time.
You've always been the man I thought you were. Sometimes
when you meet people that you really like, sometimes when
you meet your heroes, they're not they who they look
to be. You are exactly who you appear to be.
And I want you to be in Congress. I want
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you to make that happen when it comes to and again,
I want to keep going back to policing. There's such
a diversity. Are we seeing a migration from cops in
Boston and New York going to Arizona, going to Texas,
going to Florida, going and finding a job where they
can't actually get the support that they deserve from either
city hall or the sheriff himself or herself, or from
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the governor of the state. I gather that we're seeing
some of that mark.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Do you see that too, You are seeing a migration.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Here's the problem, though, cities pay a lot, you know,
you go to New California and some of those agencies
pay so much money that the change the jump is
too big of a jump for a lot of these folks,
and they just can't make it. But there are a
lot of people. What's even more concerning, Joe is there's
a lot of them that are retiring. Guys who still
have a good ten years left in their career have
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decided to just hang it up because the leadership isn't right,
or the leadership of the politicians in the city are
not right.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
And that is even more concerning because.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
All the guys who know how to do the job
really well are walking away from it, whether they leave
their state or retire. And then what we're left with
is a lot of the product that has been the
product of this new generation. Maybe they don't work as hard,
maybe they're not treating this like a career and more
like just a temporary job.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
That is the challenges we face in this profession now.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And unfortunately, those old salty Sea dogs that have really
been good for the industry are being really kind of
pushed out and really walking out on their own because
they're sick and tired of the nonsense.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
What is the status of Arizona? Mark, And what I
mean is politically, I said purple earlier, I think you
could probably make a good argument that it's a red state.
I think you're voting is screwed up in that state.
Has that been remedied? Has that been fixed? Not doing
the Save America Act in the Senate, It's ridiculous. They
should do the Save America Act and then we won't
have to worry about Americapa County taking too long to
vote or having the wrong size ballots, or Pinal County
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not having enough Republican ballots but plenty of Democrat ballots.
What's the status of if you had to tell me
politically it's a red state or a blue state? Is
it really purplish or is it more red than we think?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
It's a red state?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
But here's the problem is Republicans, just like in my race, now,
I got a theoretical Republican candidate or opponent who's doing
all the Democrats work like he's going out and trashing me,
and ultimately we're going to win the primary, but it's
going to be making this race a lot harder in
the general election. We're seeing that on the government or
to race instead of focusing on the Democrats, and they
(16:54):
are horrific policies and the socialist agenda that they're pushing
in this country. We're busy fighting with each other because
we're so desperate to win a political position.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
I would never, actually.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I would never spend a dime going after a Republican
for the sake of just winning to political office.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
My honor means more than that to me. I would
rather win with honor or lose with honor.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I know I've discussed my having a Republican opponent who's
doing this type of work, but you haven't noticed. I
haven't mentioned any names, and I won't because what I
think we've got to do better is we've got to
stay more unified and really focus on who the thread
is and the.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Threat in this country are those who are pushing a
socialist's agenda, and that has become the Democrat Party.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
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Speaker 4 (18:43):
Washington, and so we should be focused more on that.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And in Arizona we missed the mark on that and
we tend to do all the dirty work for the
Democrats flaw before we get to the general. And the
other piece is I'm very active nationally in something called
Vote for America, where we're actually trying to make sure
that people get out and vote Arizona in each election,
we're about one hundred and fifty thousand hunters and gun
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owners and people that just want to be left alone
and live the American dream. They're not showing up to vote,
and that has a huge impact as well. So this
is a call to all Americans out there. You may
be disenchanted with both parties and where the what's going
on in Washington or at a state level, but not
voting is not going to help. You've got to show
up and vote or we're going to end up in
(19:36):
Arizona like they are in California.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
So I think we are a red state. But we
have got to.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Get off this whole beating each other up and we've
got to get back to focusing on the issues and
focusing on the issues, the Democrat issues which are hurting
this country. That's what our focus should be. That's why
I say Arizona's red state. We just got to get
it right. We're not doing it right right now, and
we got to be better.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
It is a shrif Mark lam retire Panel County Arizona
running for District's five Republican Great State of Arizona, go
to Mark Lamb dot us. Mark Lamb dot Us. I
didn't realize that there was a hunter apathy problem when
it came to voting until I talked to my friend
Ted Nugent and he said that he signed up hundreds
of thousands of hunters that warn't taking part. Whatsoever, I
wonder are the hunters and areas I didn't realize there
(20:19):
are that many that weren't voting. Are the hunters in
Arizona turned off by the fact that they know that
there were questions about the voting machines, They know there
are questions about the ballot, the ballots that weren't being
counted in Americopa County and the lack of a chain
of custody on those ballots that were all thrown into
a garbage bag. And taking somewhere else and allegedly counted.
I mean, hunters aren't stupid, they're smart. Maybe they don't
(20:41):
think their vote will count. Can you convince them that
it will was done?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Well?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
First of all, I think the hunters are disenchanted with
the direction of government in general, Republicans and Democrats number two. Yes,
the elections. They think, well, what doesn't matter, my vote
doesn't matter. But I think even bigger than that, Joe,
is the accountability issue. You know, we continue to see
we just saw more information come out about FAUCI, about
COVID and the damage it did to this country and
(21:07):
the globe, and we're just going to have people walk
away scott free, not be held accountable, the auto pen,
all of these issues. You know, there's a lot of
people angry about Epstein's stuff. This is a lot of
things that have built and these people that are gun
owners and this want to be left alone. They accountability
is a big issue for them. And so as long
(21:27):
as we continue to fail to hold people accountable, they're
going to say to themselves, what does it matter? Why
should I even waste my time going and voting If they're.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Not going to do anything.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It is Sheriff Mark Lamb, retired Banal County, Arizona, running
for District five Republican. Go and check them out, Mark
Lamb dot us, Marklamb dot us, this is the website.
Go and support as candidacy. You don't have to be
in Arizona to support as candidacy. And I'll bet that
the other people running for that race are not getting
a lot of support from Arizona. They're getting a lot
of support from outside. Let me finish with this. If
you were the county sheriff where Delaney Hall is in NewYork,
(21:59):
New Jersey, how would you handle that ridiculous protest that
they're allowing to happen, Burning fires, getting in people's faces,
yelling on megaphones, putting all sorts of debris in the streets,
hoping to harm the ice and the CBP vehicles. How
would you shut that down? Because what they're doing is
not legal under the First Amendment. And I don't think
that you would take it very long.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
No, we wouldn't take it at all.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
We would have arrested them the first day they started
this behavior, and we would have assisted our federal partners
in protecting that place.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Look, they're trying to do a job.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
The job is to remove people that are in this
country illegally, and especially the types of criminals that they're removing.
They need local law enforcement to help when people do
what they're doing in New Jersey, which is breaking the law.
People don't understand the First Amendment has nothing about rioting.
It says that you have the right to assemble peaceably
(22:48):
and then that you also have the right to petition
your government for a redress of grievances. Standing outside of
an ice facility checks neither one of those boxes, especially
when you're not doing it peaceably. If you have an
issue with government, go to where your senator's office or
your congressman's officer. Local elected officials don't go to obstruct
(23:10):
law enforcement. Here's the law on a federal basis, just
and there's state laws too.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Thirteen twenty four USC. Thirteen twenty four says you cannot conceal,
harbor or shield. I mean, if this is if you're
out there getting in the way, are you not shielding
our federal partners from being able to do their job.
And I think that goes as far as to these
sanctuary cities too. I think that they should hold some
of these people accountable because they're breaking federal law. So
(23:36):
what we need is local law enforcement to show up
and put some people in cuffs and take them to jail,
and some prosecutors to hold them accountable.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
And I promise you you'll solve that problem right away.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Why can't you be sheriff of America. I think that'd
be good. I think you would solve a lot of
problems very very quickly. It is a sheriff Mark Lamb
retired Pennel Kenny, Arizona. Let me finish with one last question.
How big an abject failure has Katie Hobbs been and
is that expeeriment over? Will you get a Republican in
there next time for governor?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I do think.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I think Andy Biggs is going to easily win the primary,
and I think Andy Biggs is going to do well
in the general election as well. I think a lot
of it depends where we're at nationally, and I think
now we're starting to pull and trend back really well.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
The economy, the Iran thing, all of these things.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I think we're starting to trend in the right direction,
and that's good timing so that we get into the
I think a lot of it's going to depend on
the national temperature.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
We do need to get some changes in this state.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You know, we've got two Democrat governor, a Democrat governor,
two Democrat senators, and we are better. You know, we
can do better than that. And I think that Andy's
going to do well in this election. And then Andy's
what he said is one of the first things he's
going to do is fix elections here in the state
of Arizona. And I think that should start with by
stop sending out mail out ballots. You cannot expect to
(24:55):
have a fair election as long as you're sending ballots
out through the mail.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
That is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
If you can't, as a citizen show up to vote
every couple of years, I mean, that's like that does
like the lowest bar of citizenship. Yet we've made it
so so convoluted and so rot with potential fraud, and
I think Andy Biggs will get that back under control
here in the state of Arizona.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
He's a good man. Sheriff Mark Lamb retired now panel Keny, Arizona.
Go to Mark Lamb dot us support is candidacy right
now running for District five Republican, Great State of Arizona. Mark,
thanks for the time. As always, I wish you nothing
but the best in the primary and let's take this
thing home. Thanks for the time today.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Thank you, Joe. I always appreciate you and coming on
your show, so thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
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But I also want to give you a story that
we did on the show about a couple that did
IVF and got the wrong baby. You got to see this.
I want to get something off the off the beaten
path that Polo has sent my way, and this one's weird,
(26:00):
completely off the newspath. I just want to know if
you would do what this couple did IVF in vitro fertilization.
They were able to conceive, had the fertilized egg implanted,
went through the process of having the child, and the
child isn't theirs. Let me give you the story from
(26:21):
TMZ couple keeping baby that isn't genetically theirs, written by
TMZ staff. And there's the couple. It's a white couple.
I don't think I'm crossing any boundaries by saying the
baby is at least brown. In the story, it probably
will say the ethnicity of the baby. It's clear this
(26:44):
is not this couple's child. A Florida couple who gave
birth to IVF were shocked to learn the baby isn't
genetically theirs, but they still want to be her mother
and father, and they've struck a deal with biological parents.
Here's the deal. Tiffany Score and Stephen Bills are suing
Fertility Center of Orlando for allegedly implanting the wrong embryo.
(27:05):
Tiffany gave birth to Shay Score Mills, who doesn't look
like her Stephen, to say the least. I added Tiffany
and Stephen, who have finally reached a custody agreement with
her daughter's biological parents, according to the court documents obtained
by People, six months after Tiffany gave birth, the filing
says Tiffany and Stephen retained their rights to continue as
Shay's permanent custodial parents. I mean, if I can describe it,
(27:30):
she's blonde hair, blue eyed, whiter than I could ever be,
and the baby is black or Indian or something, and
the lady's very happy. I mean, God, bless him for
wanting to keep the child. I'm just wondering, would you
want to keep the child? I think the child should
go to her biological parents, probably, but I don't. I'm
a man, I don't carry children. I'll ask CJ in
a minute what she would do. Tiffany and Steve announced
(27:52):
in April that they've tracked down Shay's parents through genetic testing.
A representative for the couple told people Tiffany and Steve
recognized the public interest in the deed tales of their
IVF experience, and they appreciate the role the news media
has played in bringing them and Shay to the point
where Shae's genetic parents were able to be identified and
fears about Shay's future have been settled. The rep continue
(28:14):
Tivity and Steve are committed to respect their privacy concerns
of Shae's genetic parents, with whom they have begun to
and intend to continue to foster a relationship of friendship
and trust. They're also committed to protecting Shae from harmful
intrusion on her privacy. Tiffany and Steve have produced and
stored three viable embryos or Fertility Center of Orlando and
are now transporting their remaining embryo to another facility. According
(28:36):
to the court, Ducks Fertility Center of Orlando announced in
April that it will close down and be replaced by
another facility. Well, I would think, so make a mistake
like that. So you go through the process. You can't
do it the usual way, the natural way. You get IVF,
which I am all for. You have the fertilized egg
(28:57):
implanted in the mother's uterus, assume that it's from the
man and the woman who are having the baby. Baby
comes out ain't their baby, but they want to keep
it aapola. Were a couple of dudes, what would you
do in this situation, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
That's tough because did they mention what happened to their baby?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
No, they just never implanted it. They implanted the wrong
fertilized egg. They never implanted their their egg.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
I mean, I guess because they've already gone through that
nine month period of expecting the baby and getting close
to what they thought was their baby, right, I guess
at that point it becomes their baby.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I mean, but I mean the parents of the child,
the literal parents, genetic parents exist. Yeah, but clearly they
were going they're going through IVF as well because they
had an egg there.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Yeah, and it sounds like they got paid off or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Oh yeah, they've come to an understanding and agreement means
they got paid off. I would say, right right, all right,
see you're the mom here on the on the staff,
fill me in, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I absolutely would keep the baby really fourished and grew
inside of me for nine months? Yeah, I mean, yeah,
that's my baby. That would make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
But you know the parents wanted a baby, and the
parents do exist, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I mean if I'm the one who you know, nourished
it and made it grow, basically, yeah, that would be
my baby.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
This is exactly why men can't have babies, because I
cannot relate. I'd be like, yeah, that's not a baby,
you know what I mean. But you're saying without a
doubt because your body goes through all this stuff. Then
of course you're like, I did the work, Why am
I not getting the baby? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I would have a very hard time letting go of
that child.
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