July 30, 2026 • 34 mins
Author Ralph Pezzullo joins Joe Pags to break down newly declassified intelligence documents and what they expose about foreign cyber threats, system vulnerabilities, and national security risks.
Drawing from research highlighted in his latest book—based on findings by former CIA officer Gary Berntsen—Pezzullo walks through critical details in the declassified release, explaining who had access, how these systems operate, and what it means for the future of national security.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The President walked out and he says, I've got proof,
and then he presented the proof and he put it
on White House dot gov. Everybody went there, flooded the
website and now we know that in twenty and maybe
in a lot of other times, we went and pulled
the lever. There were problems, problems by outside actors. I
want to get with Ralph Pezzulo. When you saw the
president walk out, were you cheering we were you pumping
(00:21):
your fist, going yes, finally, But what were your thoughts then?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I was very excited, and I was curious in terms
of the extent that he would he would go in
revealing things, but it was definitely a great start.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Were there any surprises in what he said?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I was a little surprised that he focused so much
on China, But I understand why was.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
There a reason to not mention Venezuela early.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Do you think, yes? I believe so. I think Venezuela
is more complicated because of the fact that when they
went in last November of last year and they arrested
Maduro and his wife, they didn't take down the Cartel
del Solis, which is really the criminal regime of Venezuela,
(01:13):
and they left it in place with the with the
elevation of Delci Rodriguez as president, and unfortunately, Delci Rodriguez
is just as evil as Nicholas Maduro. She is a
top official in the Cartel del Solis, as is her
brother Jorge Rodriguez.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I feel I feel as now the president think he's
got control of her. Do you think he does?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I don't know if he does or not. But the
point is is that whether or not we're going to
if we're going to get to the bottom of this,
and if we're going to uh free the regime, free
the Venezuelan people from the oppressive regime in Venezuela that
has been doing us all kinds of harm in terms
of drug dealing and other things which we'll talk about.
(02:03):
They have to get rid of the Cartel del Solis.
I think they thought initially that this would be sort
of a step in removing them, but they haven't moved forward,
and right now because of the earthquakes and the tragic
earthquakes in Venezuela of last month, it is a pressing
(02:28):
problem because the Venezuelan people who have been waiting for
the US to move against the cartel, and we're so
ecstatic in November. Are now in a terrible crisis and
their government is not helping them. We're hearing that as
many as fifty thousand people are buried under the rubble. Yeah,
(02:49):
it's awful. And the popular leader of Venezuela, Maria Carina Machado,
is trying to return to Venezuela, which is creating another
problem for both the Trump administration and the and Delsi Rodriguez,
who is the the the you know, the president who
was installed because they're afraid that once she, once she
(03:13):
lands in Caracas, there'll be a popular uprising and that
might very well happen.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Ralph Pozzulo, author dot com is the website. Is this
book available on Amazon? Can people go and buy it there?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yes? It is, Yes, all right.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
The book is called Tonal Elections to take Down of
Democracies Worldwide. Go and get it right now. Let's talk
about about specifically Venezuela. I know the technology was I
guess these people were very very smart. They went to
universities like MIT, extremely smart technical people, engineers. They did
this starting with Venezuela. But there's inclusion from Iran. There's
(03:47):
inclusion from Italy. On some level, there's inclusion from from China.
What did Venezuela do. Did they gather our adversaries and say,
guess what, we can screw with their elections and we
can actually choose the leader. Does a conversation like that happen.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
They've always been sympathetic Iran and the regime of Cesser Chavis.
He was always very close to Cuba, which was sort
of the center of anti American policy, and Fidel Castro
was a big supporter of Hugo Chavis and Hugo Javis
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when he was he was elected in nineteen ninety nine,
and when he faced a referendum in two thousand and three,
Fidel Castro went to him and said, hey, you go,
you're going to lose the referendum. Our polling showing that
you're behind unless you do something about it. And that's
when the Venezuelans created this system of software, and it
(04:53):
was so effective they used it in other countries in
Latin America and the Chinese and the Iranians, who were
also interested, always interested in destabilizing the United States. They
became very interested and Iran pumped in their own computer
engineers to help bolster the system, and the Chinese pitched
(05:17):
in with hundreds of millions of.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Dollars the first time they do this, Ralph, Yes, they
do it in Venezuela. Did the Venezuelan people say, like
we said in twenty we went what he got? Eighty
one million votes? What are you crazy?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Did the Venezuelan people say there's no way because originally
Maduro lost sixty forty, right, and then he ended up
winning sixty forty because of the game was on. Did
the people of Venezuela rise up and say this can't
happen or was it so close that they said, oh,
I guess the guy won.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
No? No, no, They were shocked by the result and
they marched in the streets and they made a lot
of noise. The problem was is that the Carter Center
at that time was in Venezuela monitoring the election, and
President Carter had a press conference where he famously said,
you know, this was the most secure election I've ever seen.
(06:09):
What he didn't but at that point nobody understood the
machines and software and how they could be manipulated. So
it was we faced the same problem here, which dated
back to two thousand with with the election of George Bush,
(06:30):
when we had the hanging chad problem in Florida, and
everybody decided that, you know, paper ballots were a thing
of the past, and we had to we had to modernize,
and so everybody the hate that have an Act was
passed by Congress in two thousand and three, and they
(06:50):
poured millions into modernizing systems in the United States, and
the counties all over the country adapted electronic machines without
understanding the dangers, and those were only pointed out later
when people realize that with an electronic system that there's
(07:12):
there's no paper record there often is none at all,
or that it's not a complete paper record that you
can follow, because once it goes into the machine, it
goes into the software and it's pretty much invisible. And
very few people in election and districts and and counties
and so on and so forth are are computer experts
(07:34):
that understand all the intricacies of this software.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
So the Carter Center gets a readout from the software
that says, hey look fair, free and wonderful election, and
Carter goes, hey, fair free and wonderful. Let's get those
machines here in the United States.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
What jumps out at me is I always thought, listen,
when I was a kid, if I lost something, I
would say, I'm going to be able to find it
because they can find it, like the government, And if
they came in to find it, they could, so I
should be able to find it myself. I always thought
there was a check in balance. Why would we ever
let a machine come in from Venezuela that wasn't a
(08:09):
friend of ours, or had connections to wh Ron, or
had connections to Italy that were not sure about half
the time. Why would we accept the machinery and not
have our own engineers go through it? Or did we
have our own engineers go through it? Because again I
believe that the government that we paid for somehow can
solve any problem. I guess they can't.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, Joe, it did happened. I mean, the Venezuelans were
very clever and they established a company, an American company
called Smartmatic in Boca Raton, Florida, and they started they
disguised the ownership of the software which was always which
has always been Venezuela and still is, And they also
(08:48):
disguised the ownership. So one of the problems that they
faced when they when they started coming under review in
certain states is that they they were hiding the owner
ship of the company and they wouldn't reveal it. They
purposely incorporated in in Aruba in the Netherlands because ownership
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corporate ownership laws are very lax. That they were very
clever about the whole process. And it was Carolyn Mahoney
who was a Republican Democratic congresswoman from New York who
first called out the company Smartmatic, saying, you know, this
company is very suspicious. It's it's suddenly petitioning for to
(09:34):
win voter contracts in different states. And you know where
did it come from? And who owns it? Who owns
the software? There was a this This sparked an investigation
by CISA by the Treasury Department, and the Treasury Department
(09:55):
rejected Smartmatic. But what they did is they changed. They
bought a an American company here in the United States,
a small company out in California called Sequoia Voting Systems,
and they transferred the software to this American company. They
went then they went to California and they petitioned to
(10:16):
run the elections in California and the Secretary of state
at the time did a review that that was an
independent review conducted by at computer experts from Berkeley MIT,
you know, the top experts in the country, and when
they looked at the software, they came to the conclusion
(10:36):
they said, well, this software looks like it was designed
to steal elections, not to secure them.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I'm sorry, they said that after they looked through it.
Why was it still play?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Then they did, well, well, California, the Secretary of State
at the time rejected Smart Sequoia from running elections in California.
But now here we are in twenty twenty six and
smart Matto, the same company, the same software won the
contract in La County, which is the largest count which
(11:09):
is the largest county in the United States, to run
the elections.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And yeah, well we see what's going on in the
election there. I mean, it took a month to count
the votes, and suddenly the guy who was in second place,
he is no longer in the second place, and the
lady who conceded is somehow in second place. It's Ralph Pezzulo,
got a Ralph Pezzulo author dot com. It's pezz Ullo
is his last name. Incredible information. When I was getting
banned and getting strikes on social media like crazy, because
(11:36):
I was calling out what happened in twenty twenty. I
had Mike Lindell on he was talking about China, had
Rudy Giuliani on, he was talking about this. Sixty one cases,
sixty two cases that all had great evidence that they
kept throwing him out of court, that they didn't have standing.
We never actually, you know, prosecuted any of these cases.
The one thing that jumped out of me is there
was a video either from Sequoia or Smartmatic or Dominion
that it was a training video that literally said you
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can connect to the land, and the land can connect
to the Internet, and yes, you can work on these
machines remotely. And then they lied when it came to
what was coming out on the surface, they said there
was no connectivity. Ral can we just put that to bed.
There was connectivity obviously.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Right, absolutely. Of course, all these machines are connected to
servers overseas. They also use virtual VPNs, which are you know,
cloud servers where you can do all your manipulation on
a website in the ether and then being back up
(12:35):
a result and then you know close that cloud that
we have.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
No idea where it came from. You can actually change address.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
There's nothing that's right. The other the other problem, Joe,
is that a lot of the software of these companies
is proprietary. So when they when they write a contract
with it with a county or an election district, they
they you know, they have they hold all this information.
They get the the contract to run an election, completely
(13:06):
run it in a district, so that means they run,
they own the pole data, they get everything and the
But the software and the machines are proprietary, so the
county officials are not allowed to look into that. Uh
they're and they and it's protected in court. So a
(13:28):
lot of people will defending the system will go, oh, well,
the you know, we've looked at the machines and we
can't find anything. Well, you can't find anything if you
look at the machines. You have to you have to
get inside the software.
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Speaker 2 (14:48):
And the brilliance of what Gary and Martin did in
their investigation, because they are very experienced criminal investigators, and
the brilliance of what they did is that they hired
they started to look for and hire engineers, Venezuelan engineers
(15:08):
who had actually created this software, and they found fifteen
of them over the years, and they were able to
understand because of these engineers, exactly how the system works,
what there are fourteen back doors, the fourteen back doors
that are built into the system, and how they stole
(15:31):
they stole particular elections, and it's really the system. I mean,
you could call it brilliant or diabolical, but the system
was created in a way to hide the steal, to
hide any evidence that votes were manipulated. And they have
(15:52):
the full toolbox because they have the poll books, they
count the mail in ballots, they mail out them, and ballots,
they run the whole system. And so therefore, you know,
we're at their mercy in a way. And Dominion, which
was another company that the Venezuelan spot, they currently and
(16:14):
then they changed it to Victory Vote after the twenty
twenty four election. But it's still the same software, it's
still the same system. And they play this game where they,
you know, whenever the heat is on them, they pretend
that they've changed their name, or that they've moved their headquarters,
or that they're you know, the ownership is different. But
(16:38):
the point is that the source code, the key to
the whole system all this time, is still owned by Venezuela,
by the Consejo Nacional Electoral. They created it in two
thousand and three, in two thousand and four to steal
that initial referendum for Hugo Javis.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Believable. It is Ralph Pazzula. Go to Ralphazzulo author dot
com get. His book is called Stolen Elections to take
down of democracies worldwide in actual process and the the
action of it. If they just took a million votes
from Trump and gave it to Biden, that wouldn't work.
We'd all see that. Were they doing a few votes here,
a few votes there? Just enough in this one.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
That the engineer when we when we when Uh, Gary,
Uh and Martin put all these engineers together. They had
to take care of their families. It was a very
difficult process and it was helped a lot by by
Patrick Byrne, who put up the money. They actually create
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They had to move them out of the country because
they were they were afraid these these people were in danger.
And they set up a computer lab in in Switzerland
where these engineers were able to show Gary and Martin
how they how they manipulated the vote in a particular
district in the United States. And they would they would
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take a county like uh mesa county in Colorado which
had always been vote, which had always been voted Republican
except in the twenty twenty election, and uh and and
and and they were, and they were like, well, most
of the counties and most of the districts in Masa
County are Republican. And these guys showed that, Well, we
(18:29):
didn't go after the Republican districts. We shaved votes. No,
we didn't go after the what you would think we would,
we would steal add votes in the Democratic districts right cities.
But we didn't do that. We shaved votes from Trump
a little bit here, a little bit per per district,
per district, until we got the count down to a
(18:50):
manageable figure that we could fill in with mail in
ballots and so on, and stip and tip the scales
to Joe Biden, so he.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Would still win Mason County. In other words, but he
wouldn't buy buy a smaller margin than he would have.
That's right, That's right, and then who's going to question
that he's still one, that's right.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So they have fourteen, like I said, they have fourteen
back doors that they can use, so they can use
in one district they can use one and twelve, and
another they use two and and and eleven. They change
it up every time. And the whole design of the
system is to overcome an audit. And and without a
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paper record, it's very hard to do a real audit,
right because you all you have to work with is
the record of the machine, and if the machine has
already altered the.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Vote, it's going to make its own record.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, you're just looking at the tabulation. You're just looking
at how the different counties were counted and how the
total was arrived. At the other point is that these machines,
uh they were there can acted to the internet. So
for the twenty twenty election, they were connected to servers
in Serbia that are run by China, that are owned
(20:09):
by Huawei and Garytans.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
What did Serbia have to do with anything? This is
just like out of the China said, let me go
in contract in Serbia.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, because they had a relationship with the Serbian government,
they were able to set up a big, a huge
network there with hundreds of Venezuelan, Chinese, and Iranian engineers,
and so all the counties, all these machines were connected
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to these servers in Serbia and that's where they came
up with the final tabulations of the votes, and they
could you know, that they could do whatever they wanted.
Then the results were being back to the United States,
but at that point they had already been changed.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So yeah, you've got the Biden administration for four years.
All of this information is available, but they benefited from it.
They're not going to investigate it, so they put it
off for four years. Trump wins in twenty four somehow,
and I believe that either you or somebody else told
me a one because the hackers got ahead of it
and stopped this deal in twenty four So Trump wins
and then he starts that he starts investigating. So for
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those four years, yeah, they benefited. But Ralph, does the
research done by Martin and by Gary and what you've
written about in Stolen Elections, does it show that they
were complicit? Was the Biden administration in his inner circle.
I'm sure they are okay with it because he ends
up winning. But were they complicit?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, here's the problem, Joe, A lot of people were complicit.
Right when Gary and Martin first arrived at their ended up,
you know, arrived at the conclusions of their investigation, right,
they tried to present them to people on the Hill,
and nobody wanted to talk to them, Nobody in the
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Republican Party or the Democratic Party because everybody was everybody
was using this system. The only Senator who looked took
this information seriously was Mark Wayne Mullins from Oklahoma. Now,
very fortunately he is now the Director of Homeland Homeland Security,
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and he's he is behind this effort of the Trump
administration to make a lot of this information public because
a lot of it is held in you know. What
was also found by Gary and Martin is that our
intelligence services were working with the Venezuelans at a certain
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point during the Biden administration because they saw the benefits
of using the system themselves to manipulate the results of
elections in other countries. And when the Trump administration came
into power in twenty twenty five and they started doze
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with Elon musket in charge. One of the things that
they found when they looked at the AID budget was
a billions of dollars of grants to an organization called STEPS,
which is the Consortium for Election and Political Process Strengthening,
and a lot of these grants were going to Smartmatic
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and they were being used to market the Smartmatic software
to other countries overseas through our embassies. And we know
this now because we've spoken to people in countries like
Guatemala and Honduras and Slovenia and so on, and they've
talked about how they were pressured by State Department officials
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working at US embassies to adapt to use this software themselves,
that this was a very safe system. Well, you know,
it was a system that that our intelligence services were
using to manipulate elections in other countries. And that's why this,
this whole all of this information is so sensitive and
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why President Trump on Thursday talked about the process that
was going to unfold and has started to unfold of
declassifying so many intelligence documents that hid this process from
the American people. And because of the process of declassifying,
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it allows the prosecutors from the Justice Department to use
this information in cases that they're that they've been building
and want to file against people who have been who
have been you know, working against the interests of the
American people, who have been uh, you know, taking away
(24:58):
the power of people's votes. They want to decide what
the direction of our country is and steadying instead of
allowing people, the people to do that, which is the
way our system was designed to work. It's supposed to
be a government of the people by the people. But
there are people who represent powerful interests and sometimes are
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working or influenced by countries who are our enemies, to
determine the direction of the country themselves.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I think that we're I think we're on the road
to prosecutions. I do think we'll get some purple walks.
We want to see people in shackles and handcuffs. You
want them in front of judges, want them to be
to pay the penalty. This at the very least is
sedition if they did what it is that's alleged that
they did. But all that said, people want to make
sure their vote counts, just like you were just talking about.
So Yes, I believe Mark Waynemullen will do the right thing.
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I think President Trump is trying to get the DOJ
to do the right thing. I think that the alphabet
agencies are scrambling right now trying to save their own assets.
They've been running the Star Chamber for a long time.
But the question becomes, why are we still using these machines.
When I had Gary on the other day, he said
there's something called PPD twenty one that should allow the
President to just by directive to say you can't use
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the machines anymore. I don't know if that if that
can be used or not. When we come down to it,
usually the legislative branch has to make law that says
you can't do something, or you have to do something.
Does the legislature have to tap to write a bill quickly?
And not just to Save America Act? I mean something
that says you may not use these machines anymore. Period
got to be paper ballots or else we're not doing elections.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well. I think where we're headed is that there are
going to be there going to be indictments, There's going
to be a lot more information that is released, and
at a certain point the President will make a national
security assessment and by executive orders say that these machines
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are not safe. They are a threat to the national
security of the United States. Now, it's interesting that on Thursday,
one of the first documents that they released was an
assessment by the CIA from Oh it goes way back,
I think the date is two thousand and six. It
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was an NSC assessment and it said that Smartmatic was
a mild They called it a mild national security threat
back then. So they have been watching. They've been aware
of this system for a long time. It's been on
their radar. But there were people in the United States,
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for various reasons, that didn't want to disrupt this system.
They were using it for their own purposes and hiding
and making a lot of effort blocking lawsuits, blocking investigations, uh,
using a lot of energy, devoting a lot of energy
to trying to block any investigation into this. But like
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I said before, what Gary and Martin did was brilliant
and it sort of foiled them because they were able
to recruit people from within the system and come up
with the evidence that shows. Now I should point out
to your listeners that all of all of the information
in my book and all the information that Gary and
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Martin have gathered has was turned over to the Justice
Department back in January of two thousand and five. Wow,
so they've had this information. They have for twenty twenty five,
twenty five. I'm sorry, Okay, okay, okay, I'm gonna say
two thousand and five. You guys repressioned, Yeah, all right,
So they have it. So at the President may have
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based what a lot of what he said on what
you guys have exactly. It's just been he's he's basically
from from what I understand and from talking to different people,
is that he has basically been in a battle with
the Intelligence Department because departments because they don't want this
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information to come out because it makes them look bad.
It makes them look as though they were working against
the American the interests of the American people, and that
they were also stealing elections overseas, and it uh sort
of one of the one of the one evidence of
this is what happened in in uh Venezuela in November
(29:39):
of last year. President Trump sent in Delta Force another
you know, our military to arrest Nicholas Maduro to dictate
who had been who is under indictment, along with another
a number of other Venezuelan officials. In the United States
arrested him and his wife, but on the advice of
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his intelligence service, did not remove the Cartel Del Solis,
the leaders of the cartel place because they they they
told the president that it would be you know, that
it would be such a huge military action to try
to remove these people. They are a criminal cartel that's
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worth into the trillions of dollars and control all drug
trafficking in the Western hemisphere. They are the largest transnational
criminal organization the world has ever seen. It's basically a
government of drug dealers. It's not like you know, Mexico
or other countries where the government is trying to you know, defense,
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you know, curtail these people and fighting. They are they
say they are, but it's a back and forth battle.
You know. Sometimes they're the successful against one cartel and
they're corrupted by another and so on. It's not perfect,
but it is not a government that's actually run by
a drug cartel.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
It is Ralph Pazzulo. I want to give the website again,
Ralph Pazulo, author dot com. Ralph. I'm just about out
of time. Let me ask you one last question that
we've got to do this again soon. I appreciate all
the knowledge. I appreciate what you doing for the country.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Thank you. Well.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Are the people in La County scared right now? Because
President Trump came out and said what he said, Is
there the ability of the DOJ now to say, hey,
you're using the machines we're talking about, we get to
come in and see if you're using that software. Are
they Are they scared right now in La County?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well? Here, here's part of the problem, Joe, is that
a lot of people are still not aware of the
background of this of this fraud that is being carried
out on the American people that they have they have
been lied to, they have been brainwashed, and so part
(31:57):
of this process is just building public awareness. I noticed
it was very unfortunate that most the major networks except
for Fox News didn't even carry the President's address on
Thursday night. So there's a huge, you know problem, a
gap of public awareness, which thankfully for shows like Yourself,
(32:21):
people are starting to hear the truth La County. I
live in La County, and people are you know, they're
not aware. I am trying to and others now we're
trying to organize an effort to make people aware that
here's a company Smartmatic, that was banned from running elections
(32:43):
in La County in Los Angeles in the state of
California back in two thousand and six, and here it
is back running La County, which is the largest county
in the United States, at the same time that they're
under indictment in Florida for election.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's that's that's that's legitially nuts that we have. We
have to not be schizophrenic about our voting in this country.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I would think that's right. It's too important. I mean,
it's vital to to to any representative government that that
people's votes, people's will is accurately represented. You know what.
The President has tried to pass the Save Act to
restore paper ballots. Paper ballots are used in most countries
(33:30):
around the world. There are dozens of countries that that
went into electronic voting machines when we did and have
since switched back to paper ballots because they understand the
problems that the idea of IDs. I mean, every almost
every country in the world, including countries in you know, Africa,
(33:52):
they require identification before you vote. It's common sense exactly,
it is. And the fact that people still resist it,
and people on the hill still resist it. You know,
their loyalties to this country needs to be questioned at.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
The huntred percent, and we questioned him every day, Ralph.
Trust me, Ralph Pezzulo, author dot com. Go and get
his book called Stolen Elections to take down of democracies worldwide.
Frankly at a time, brother, thanks for making the time today.
Thank you for doing what you're doing for all of us.
And let's talk again soon.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Thank you for what you do, Joe, It's very important.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I appreciate you, brother. Thank you very much for that.
That's going to do it for this one. We're back
with another Unshaking and un Afraid with Joe. PAGs coming
up very soon. Make sure you subscribe.
The President walked out and he says, I've got proof,
and then he presented the proof and he put it
on White House dot gov. Everybody went there, flooded the
website and now we know that in twenty and maybe
in a lot of other times, we went and pulled
the lever. There were problems, problems by outside actors. I
want to get with Ralph Pezzulo. When you saw the
president walk out, were you cheering we were you pumping
(00:21):
your fist, going yes, finally, But what were your thoughts then?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I was very excited, and I was curious in terms
of the extent that he would he would go in
revealing things, but it was definitely a great start.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Were there any surprises in what he said?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I was a little surprised that he focused so much
on China, But I understand why was.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
There a reason to not mention Venezuela early.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Do you think, yes? I believe so. I think Venezuela
is more complicated because of the fact that when they
went in last November of last year and they arrested
Maduro and his wife, they didn't take down the Cartel
del Solis, which is really the criminal regime of Venezuela,
(01:13):
and they left it in place with the with the
elevation of Delci Rodriguez as president, and unfortunately, Delci Rodriguez
is just as evil as Nicholas Maduro. She is a
top official in the Cartel del Solis, as is her
brother Jorge Rodriguez.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I feel I feel as now the president think he's
got control of her. Do you think he does?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I don't know if he does or not. But the
point is is that whether or not we're going to
if we're going to get to the bottom of this,
and if we're going to uh free the regime, free
the Venezuelan people from the oppressive regime in Venezuela that
has been doing us all kinds of harm in terms
of drug dealing and other things which we'll talk about.
(02:03):
They have to get rid of the Cartel del Solis.
I think they thought initially that this would be sort
of a step in removing them, but they haven't moved forward,
and right now because of the earthquakes and the tragic
earthquakes in Venezuela of last month, it is a pressing
(02:28):
problem because the Venezuelan people who have been waiting for
the US to move against the cartel, and we're so
ecstatic in November. Are now in a terrible crisis and
their government is not helping them. We're hearing that as
many as fifty thousand people are buried under the rubble. Yeah,
(02:49):
it's awful. And the popular leader of Venezuela, Maria Carina Machado,
is trying to return to Venezuela, which is creating another
problem for both the Trump administration and the and Delsi Rodriguez,
who is the the the you know, the president who
was installed because they're afraid that once she, once she
(03:13):
lands in Caracas, there'll be a popular uprising and that
might very well happen.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Ralph Pozzulo, author dot com is the website. Is this
book available on Amazon? Can people go and buy it there?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yes? It is, Yes, all right.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
The book is called Tonal Elections to take Down of
Democracies Worldwide. Go and get it right now. Let's talk
about about specifically Venezuela. I know the technology was I
guess these people were very very smart. They went to
universities like MIT, extremely smart technical people, engineers. They did
this starting with Venezuela. But there's inclusion from Iran. There's
(03:47):
inclusion from Italy. On some level, there's inclusion from from China.
What did Venezuela do. Did they gather our adversaries and say,
guess what, we can screw with their elections and we
can actually choose the leader. Does a conversation like that happen.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
They've always been sympathetic Iran and the regime of Cesser Chavis.
He was always very close to Cuba, which was sort
of the center of anti American policy, and Fidel Castro
was a big supporter of Hugo Chavis and Hugo Javis
(04:27):
when he was he was elected in nineteen ninety nine,
and when he faced a referendum in two thousand and three,
Fidel Castro went to him and said, hey, you go,
you're going to lose the referendum. Our polling showing that
you're behind unless you do something about it. And that's
when the Venezuelans created this system of software, and it
(04:53):
was so effective they used it in other countries in
Latin America and the Chinese and the Iranians, who were
also interested, always interested in destabilizing the United States. They
became very interested and Iran pumped in their own computer
engineers to help bolster the system, and the Chinese pitched
(05:17):
in with hundreds of millions of.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Dollars the first time they do this, Ralph, Yes, they
do it in Venezuela. Did the Venezuelan people say, like
we said in twenty we went what he got? Eighty
one million votes? What are you crazy?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Did the Venezuelan people say there's no way because originally
Maduro lost sixty forty, right, and then he ended up
winning sixty forty because of the game was on. Did
the people of Venezuela rise up and say this can't
happen or was it so close that they said, oh,
I guess the guy won.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
No? No, no, They were shocked by the result and
they marched in the streets and they made a lot
of noise. The problem was is that the Carter Center
at that time was in Venezuela monitoring the election, and
President Carter had a press conference where he famously said,
you know, this was the most secure election I've ever seen.
(06:09):
What he didn't but at that point nobody understood the
machines and software and how they could be manipulated. So
it was we faced the same problem here, which dated
back to two thousand with with the election of George Bush,
(06:30):
when we had the hanging chad problem in Florida, and
everybody decided that, you know, paper ballots were a thing
of the past, and we had to we had to modernize,
and so everybody the hate that have an Act was
passed by Congress in two thousand and three, and they
(06:50):
poured millions into modernizing systems in the United States, and
the counties all over the country adapted electronic machines without
understanding the dangers, and those were only pointed out later
when people realize that with an electronic system that there's
(07:12):
there's no paper record there often is none at all,
or that it's not a complete paper record that you
can follow, because once it goes into the machine, it
goes into the software and it's pretty much invisible. And
very few people in election and districts and and counties
and so on and so forth are are computer experts
(07:34):
that understand all the intricacies of this software.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
So the Carter Center gets a readout from the software
that says, hey look fair, free and wonderful election, and
Carter goes, hey, fair free and wonderful. Let's get those
machines here in the United States.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
What jumps out at me is I always thought, listen,
when I was a kid, if I lost something, I
would say, I'm going to be able to find it
because they can find it, like the government, And if
they came in to find it, they could, so I
should be able to find it myself. I always thought
there was a check in balance. Why would we ever
let a machine come in from Venezuela that wasn't a
(08:09):
friend of ours, or had connections to wh Ron, or
had connections to Italy that were not sure about half
the time. Why would we accept the machinery and not
have our own engineers go through it? Or did we
have our own engineers go through it? Because again I
believe that the government that we paid for somehow can
solve any problem. I guess they can't.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, Joe, it did happened. I mean, the Venezuelans were
very clever and they established a company, an American company
called Smartmatic in Boca Raton, Florida, and they started they
disguised the ownership of the software which was always which
has always been Venezuela and still is, And they also
(08:48):
disguised the ownership. So one of the problems that they
faced when they when they started coming under review in
certain states is that they they were hiding the owner
ship of the company and they wouldn't reveal it. They
purposely incorporated in in Aruba in the Netherlands because ownership
(09:11):
corporate ownership laws are very lax. That they were very
clever about the whole process. And it was Carolyn Mahoney
who was a Republican Democratic congresswoman from New York who
first called out the company Smartmatic, saying, you know, this
company is very suspicious. It's it's suddenly petitioning for to
(09:34):
win voter contracts in different states. And you know where
did it come from? And who owns it? Who owns
the software? There was a this This sparked an investigation
by CISA by the Treasury Department, and the Treasury Department
(09:55):
rejected Smartmatic. But what they did is they changed. They
bought a an American company here in the United States,
a small company out in California called Sequoia Voting Systems,
and they transferred the software to this American company. They
went then they went to California and they petitioned to
(10:16):
run the elections in California and the Secretary of state
at the time did a review that that was an
independent review conducted by at computer experts from Berkeley MIT,
you know, the top experts in the country, and when
they looked at the software, they came to the conclusion
(10:36):
they said, well, this software looks like it was designed
to steal elections, not to secure them.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I'm sorry, they said that after they looked through it.
Why was it still play?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Then they did, well, well, California, the Secretary of State
at the time rejected Smart Sequoia from running elections in California.
But now here we are in twenty twenty six and
smart Matto, the same company, the same software won the
contract in La County, which is the largest count which
(11:09):
is the largest county in the United States, to run
the elections.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And yeah, well we see what's going on in the
election there. I mean, it took a month to count
the votes, and suddenly the guy who was in second place,
he is no longer in the second place, and the
lady who conceded is somehow in second place. It's Ralph Pezzulo,
got a Ralph Pezzulo author dot com. It's pezz Ullo
is his last name. Incredible information. When I was getting
banned and getting strikes on social media like crazy, because
(11:36):
I was calling out what happened in twenty twenty. I
had Mike Lindell on he was talking about China, had
Rudy Giuliani on, he was talking about this. Sixty one cases,
sixty two cases that all had great evidence that they
kept throwing him out of court, that they didn't have standing.
We never actually, you know, prosecuted any of these cases.
The one thing that jumped out of me is there
was a video either from Sequoia or Smartmatic or Dominion
that it was a training video that literally said you
(11:59):
can connect to the land, and the land can connect
to the Internet, and yes, you can work on these
machines remotely. And then they lied when it came to
what was coming out on the surface, they said there
was no connectivity. Ral can we just put that to bed.
There was connectivity obviously.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Right, absolutely. Of course, all these machines are connected to
servers overseas. They also use virtual VPNs, which are you know,
cloud servers where you can do all your manipulation on
a website in the ether and then being back up
(12:35):
a result and then you know close that cloud that
we have.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
No idea where it came from. You can actually change address.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
There's nothing that's right. The other the other problem, Joe,
is that a lot of the software of these companies
is proprietary. So when they when they write a contract
with it with a county or an election district, they
they you know, they have they hold all this information.
They get the the contract to run an election, completely
(13:06):
run it in a district, so that means they run,
they own the pole data, they get everything and the
But the software and the machines are proprietary, so the
county officials are not allowed to look into that. Uh
they're and they and it's protected in court. So a
(13:28):
lot of people will defending the system will go, oh, well,
the you know, we've looked at the machines and we
can't find anything. Well, you can't find anything if you
look at the machines. You have to you have to
get inside the software.
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Speaker 2 (14:48):
And the brilliance of what Gary and Martin did in
their investigation, because they are very experienced criminal investigators, and
the brilliance of what they did is that they hired
they started to look for and hire engineers, Venezuelan engineers
(15:08):
who had actually created this software, and they found fifteen
of them over the years, and they were able to
understand because of these engineers, exactly how the system works,
what there are fourteen back doors, the fourteen back doors
that are built into the system, and how they stole
(15:31):
they stole particular elections, and it's really the system. I mean,
you could call it brilliant or diabolical, but the system
was created in a way to hide the steal, to
hide any evidence that votes were manipulated. And they have
(15:52):
the full toolbox because they have the poll books, they
count the mail in ballots, they mail out them, and ballots,
they run the whole system. And so therefore, you know,
we're at their mercy in a way. And Dominion, which
was another company that the Venezuelan spot, they currently and
(16:14):
then they changed it to Victory Vote after the twenty
twenty four election. But it's still the same software, it's
still the same system. And they play this game where they,
you know, whenever the heat is on them, they pretend
that they've changed their name, or that they've moved their headquarters,
or that they're you know, the ownership is different. But
(16:38):
the point is that the source code, the key to
the whole system all this time, is still owned by Venezuela,
by the Consejo Nacional Electoral. They created it in two
thousand and three, in two thousand and four to steal
that initial referendum for Hugo Javis.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Believable. It is Ralph Pazzula. Go to Ralphazzulo author dot
com get. His book is called Stolen Elections to take
down of democracies worldwide in actual process and the the
action of it. If they just took a million votes
from Trump and gave it to Biden, that wouldn't work.
We'd all see that. Were they doing a few votes here,
a few votes there? Just enough in this one.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
That the engineer when we when we when Uh, Gary,
Uh and Martin put all these engineers together. They had
to take care of their families. It was a very
difficult process and it was helped a lot by by
Patrick Byrne, who put up the money. They actually create
(17:43):
They had to move them out of the country because
they were they were afraid these these people were in danger.
And they set up a computer lab in in Switzerland
where these engineers were able to show Gary and Martin
how they how they manipulated the vote in a particular
district in the United States. And they would they would
(18:06):
take a county like uh mesa county in Colorado which
had always been vote, which had always been voted Republican
except in the twenty twenty election, and uh and and
and and they were, and they were like, well, most
of the counties and most of the districts in Masa
County are Republican. And these guys showed that, Well, we
(18:29):
didn't go after the Republican districts. We shaved votes. No,
we didn't go after the what you would think we would,
we would steal add votes in the Democratic districts right cities.
But we didn't do that. We shaved votes from Trump
a little bit here, a little bit per per district,
per district, until we got the count down to a
(18:50):
manageable figure that we could fill in with mail in
ballots and so on, and stip and tip the scales
to Joe Biden, so he.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Would still win Mason County. In other words, but he
wouldn't buy buy a smaller margin than he would have.
That's right, That's right, and then who's going to question
that he's still one, that's right.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So they have fourteen, like I said, they have fourteen
back doors that they can use, so they can use
in one district they can use one and twelve, and
another they use two and and and eleven. They change
it up every time. And the whole design of the
system is to overcome an audit. And and without a
(19:32):
paper record, it's very hard to do a real audit,
right because you all you have to work with is
the record of the machine, and if the machine has
already altered the.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Vote, it's going to make its own record.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, you're just looking at the tabulation. You're just looking
at how the different counties were counted and how the
total was arrived. At the other point is that these machines,
uh they were there can acted to the internet. So
for the twenty twenty election, they were connected to servers
in Serbia that are run by China, that are owned
(20:09):
by Huawei and Garytans.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
What did Serbia have to do with anything? This is
just like out of the China said, let me go
in contract in Serbia.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, because they had a relationship with the Serbian government,
they were able to set up a big, a huge
network there with hundreds of Venezuelan, Chinese, and Iranian engineers,
and so all the counties, all these machines were connected
(20:40):
to these servers in Serbia and that's where they came
up with the final tabulations of the votes, and they
could you know, that they could do whatever they wanted.
Then the results were being back to the United States,
but at that point they had already been changed.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So yeah, you've got the Biden administration for four years.
All of this information is available, but they benefited from it.
They're not going to investigate it, so they put it
off for four years. Trump wins in twenty four somehow,
and I believe that either you or somebody else told
me a one because the hackers got ahead of it
and stopped this deal in twenty four So Trump wins
and then he starts that he starts investigating. So for
(21:19):
those four years, yeah, they benefited. But Ralph, does the
research done by Martin and by Gary and what you've
written about in Stolen Elections, does it show that they
were complicit? Was the Biden administration in his inner circle.
I'm sure they are okay with it because he ends
up winning. But were they complicit?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, here's the problem, Joe, A lot of people were complicit.
Right when Gary and Martin first arrived at their ended up,
you know, arrived at the conclusions of their investigation, right,
they tried to present them to people on the Hill,
and nobody wanted to talk to them, Nobody in the
(21:56):
Republican Party or the Democratic Party because everybody was everybody
was using this system. The only Senator who looked took
this information seriously was Mark Wayne Mullins from Oklahoma. Now,
very fortunately he is now the Director of Homeland Homeland Security,
(22:20):
and he's he is behind this effort of the Trump
administration to make a lot of this information public because
a lot of it is held in you know. What
was also found by Gary and Martin is that our
intelligence services were working with the Venezuelans at a certain
(22:40):
point during the Biden administration because they saw the benefits
of using the system themselves to manipulate the results of
elections in other countries. And when the Trump administration came
into power in twenty twenty five and they started doze
(23:01):
with Elon musket in charge. One of the things that
they found when they looked at the AID budget was
a billions of dollars of grants to an organization called STEPS,
which is the Consortium for Election and Political Process Strengthening,
and a lot of these grants were going to Smartmatic
(23:25):
and they were being used to market the Smartmatic software
to other countries overseas through our embassies. And we know
this now because we've spoken to people in countries like
Guatemala and Honduras and Slovenia and so on, and they've
talked about how they were pressured by State Department officials
(23:50):
working at US embassies to adapt to use this software themselves,
that this was a very safe system. Well, you know,
it was a system that that our intelligence services were
using to manipulate elections in other countries. And that's why this,
this whole all of this information is so sensitive and
(24:13):
why President Trump on Thursday talked about the process that
was going to unfold and has started to unfold of
declassifying so many intelligence documents that hid this process from
the American people. And because of the process of declassifying,
(24:35):
it allows the prosecutors from the Justice Department to use
this information in cases that they're that they've been building
and want to file against people who have been who
have been you know, working against the interests of the
American people, who have been uh, you know, taking away
(24:58):
the power of people's votes. They want to decide what
the direction of our country is and steadying instead of
allowing people, the people to do that, which is the
way our system was designed to work. It's supposed to
be a government of the people by the people. But
there are people who represent powerful interests and sometimes are
(25:24):
working or influenced by countries who are our enemies, to
determine the direction of the country themselves.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I think that we're I think we're on the road
to prosecutions. I do think we'll get some purple walks.
We want to see people in shackles and handcuffs. You
want them in front of judges, want them to be
to pay the penalty. This at the very least is
sedition if they did what it is that's alleged that
they did. But all that said, people want to make
sure their vote counts, just like you were just talking about.
So Yes, I believe Mark Waynemullen will do the right thing.
(25:57):
I think President Trump is trying to get the DOJ
to do the right thing. I think that the alphabet
agencies are scrambling right now trying to save their own assets.
They've been running the Star Chamber for a long time.
But the question becomes, why are we still using these machines.
When I had Gary on the other day, he said
there's something called PPD twenty one that should allow the
President to just by directive to say you can't use
(26:19):
the machines anymore. I don't know if that if that
can be used or not. When we come down to it,
usually the legislative branch has to make law that says
you can't do something, or you have to do something.
Does the legislature have to tap to write a bill quickly?
And not just to Save America Act? I mean something
that says you may not use these machines anymore. Period
got to be paper ballots or else we're not doing elections.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well. I think where we're headed is that there are
going to be there going to be indictments, There's going
to be a lot more information that is released, and
at a certain point the President will make a national
security assessment and by executive orders say that these machines
(27:02):
are not safe. They are a threat to the national
security of the United States. Now, it's interesting that on Thursday,
one of the first documents that they released was an
assessment by the CIA from Oh it goes way back,
I think the date is two thousand and six. It
(27:23):
was an NSC assessment and it said that Smartmatic was
a mild They called it a mild national security threat
back then. So they have been watching. They've been aware
of this system for a long time. It's been on
their radar. But there were people in the United States,
(27:46):
for various reasons, that didn't want to disrupt this system.
They were using it for their own purposes and hiding
and making a lot of effort blocking lawsuits, blocking investigations, uh,
using a lot of energy, devoting a lot of energy
to trying to block any investigation into this. But like
(28:09):
I said before, what Gary and Martin did was brilliant
and it sort of foiled them because they were able
to recruit people from within the system and come up
with the evidence that shows. Now I should point out
to your listeners that all of all of the information
in my book and all the information that Gary and
(28:30):
Martin have gathered has was turned over to the Justice
Department back in January of two thousand and five. Wow,
so they've had this information. They have for twenty twenty five,
twenty five. I'm sorry, Okay, okay, okay, I'm gonna say
two thousand and five. You guys repressioned, Yeah, all right,
So they have it. So at the President may have
(28:53):
based what a lot of what he said on what
you guys have exactly. It's just been he's he's basically
from from what I understand and from talking to different people,
is that he has basically been in a battle with
the Intelligence Department because departments because they don't want this
(29:14):
information to come out because it makes them look bad.
It makes them look as though they were working against
the American the interests of the American people, and that
they were also stealing elections overseas, and it uh sort
of one of the one of the one evidence of
this is what happened in in uh Venezuela in November
(29:39):
of last year. President Trump sent in Delta Force another
you know, our military to arrest Nicholas Maduro to dictate
who had been who is under indictment, along with another
a number of other Venezuelan officials. In the United States
arrested him and his wife, but on the advice of
(30:01):
his intelligence service, did not remove the Cartel Del Solis,
the leaders of the cartel place because they they they
told the president that it would be you know, that
it would be such a huge military action to try
to remove these people. They are a criminal cartel that's
(30:25):
worth into the trillions of dollars and control all drug
trafficking in the Western hemisphere. They are the largest transnational
criminal organization the world has ever seen. It's basically a
government of drug dealers. It's not like you know, Mexico
or other countries where the government is trying to you know, defense,
(30:50):
you know, curtail these people and fighting. They are they
say they are, but it's a back and forth battle.
You know. Sometimes they're the successful against one cartel and
they're corrupted by another and so on. It's not perfect,
but it is not a government that's actually run by
a drug cartel.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
It is Ralph Pazzulo. I want to give the website again,
Ralph Pazulo, author dot com. Ralph. I'm just about out
of time. Let me ask you one last question that
we've got to do this again soon. I appreciate all
the knowledge. I appreciate what you doing for the country.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Thank you. Well.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Are the people in La County scared right now? Because
President Trump came out and said what he said, Is
there the ability of the DOJ now to say, hey,
you're using the machines we're talking about, we get to
come in and see if you're using that software. Are
they Are they scared right now in La County?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well? Here, here's part of the problem, Joe, is that
a lot of people are still not aware of the
background of this of this fraud that is being carried
out on the American people that they have they have
been lied to, they have been brainwashed, and so part
(31:57):
of this process is just building public awareness. I noticed
it was very unfortunate that most the major networks except
for Fox News didn't even carry the President's address on
Thursday night. So there's a huge, you know problem, a
gap of public awareness, which thankfully for shows like Yourself,
(32:21):
people are starting to hear the truth La County. I
live in La County, and people are you know, they're
not aware. I am trying to and others now we're
trying to organize an effort to make people aware that
here's a company Smartmatic, that was banned from running elections
(32:43):
in La County in Los Angeles in the state of
California back in two thousand and six, and here it
is back running La County, which is the largest county
in the United States, at the same time that they're
under indictment in Florida for election.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's that's that's that's legitially nuts that we have. We
have to not be schizophrenic about our voting in this country.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I would think that's right. It's too important. I mean,
it's vital to to to any representative government that that
people's votes, people's will is accurately represented. You know what.
The President has tried to pass the Save Act to
restore paper ballots. Paper ballots are used in most countries
(33:30):
around the world. There are dozens of countries that that
went into electronic voting machines when we did and have
since switched back to paper ballots because they understand the
problems that the idea of IDs. I mean, every almost
every country in the world, including countries in you know, Africa,
(33:52):
they require identification before you vote. It's common sense exactly,
it is. And the fact that people still resist it,
and people on the hill still resist it. You know,
their loyalties to this country needs to be questioned at.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
The huntred percent, and we questioned him every day, Ralph.
Trust me, Ralph Pezzulo, author dot com. Go and get
his book called Stolen Elections to take down of democracies worldwide.
Frankly at a time, brother, thanks for making the time today.
Thank you for doing what you're doing for all of us.
And let's talk again soon.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Thank you for what you do, Joe, It's very important.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I appreciate you, brother. Thank you very much for that.
That's going to do it for this one. We're back
with another Unshaking and un Afraid with Joe. PAGs coming
up very soon. Make sure you subscribe.
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