November 28, 2025 • 17 mins
Goldendoodles, bernedoodles, labradoodles, cockapoos, everywhere you look, it seems like doodles — those fluffy, adorable poodle mixes — are taking over sidewalks, cafes and TikTok feeds. But the ubiquity of the muppet-like canines has also come with some doggy drama.
On today’s Big Take podcast, host Sarah Holder and producer David Fox head to New Jersey to meet a breeder who’s been navigating the doodle’s rise to fame. And writer Allie Conti examines the discourse around the industry: from its loudest critics to its devoted diehards.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hi, I'm so nice to meet you and you're Sarah.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
A few days ago, our producer David Fox and I
drove to the suburbs of New Jersey to meet Lauren
Houston and her dogs.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
This is Skyle, she turned eleven in September. And this
is Vippy. Here. Vippy is VIP, which stands for a
very Important puppy. She was my is my first reading
mama in the program and she just had her retirement litter.
This is Gavin. He is one of my stud dogs.
(00:54):
He just started reading. And then Navy.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Vippy and Skye and and Navy aren't just any old ducks.
They're labradoodles. Labradoodles are a mix between a Labrador Retriever
and a poodle. They're just one branch of the doodle
family tree. And Lauren is a labradoodle breeder. In twenty
(01:21):
twenty one, she started a company called Sunny Heart Doodles.
Now she breeds and raises doodle puppies out of her home.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
I breed exclusively many multi generational Australian labradoodles who are
health tested and have lineage dating back to the original
lines of Australian labradoodles.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Since the first labradoodle was born in Australia in nineteen
eighty nine, doodles of all kinds have exploded in popularity,
but Lauren was an early adopter. She got a couple
cockapoos in the late nineties that's a cocker spaniel poodle
mix for the uninitiated. And then in the early two thousands,
when Lauren was looking for a new dog to take in,
(02:04):
she discovered the world of labradoodles.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I wound up connecting with a bunch of these different
doodle clubs, and I thought, Okay, I've met like thirty
forty of these dogs and they've all been amazing. I
would love any one of them.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
What was special about them?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
I think they're muppet like, bouncy, flouncy, happy, go luckiness.
I naturally gravitate towards them. They're just so humanesque in
their expressions and even in their eyes. They're just kind
of captivating.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Fast forward to twenty twenty five and Lauren has raised
dozens of doodle puppies for other families to adopt. Meanwhile,
people around the country have fallen in love with the
dogs too.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Look how cute they are. You cannot find a coat
anywhere like this in the animal kingdom.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It's a live human, a live teddy bear.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
They're sweet, they're smart, they're cudly, and you'll never go
to the bathroom alone. Doodles have become a big business,
one that could be worth more than a billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I'll be walking my dogs down the street and like downtown,
and somebody from across the street will be like, doodle,
and I'll be like, yeah, doodle, and you know, it's
kind of like, you know, thumbs up, because they have
a doodle too.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
But the ubiquity of these muppet like hoodle mixes has
also come with some puppy drama.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I think it's fair to say that there is a
little bit of disagreement between sort of like the institutional
gatekeepers and who have four centuries had the final say
over what is considered and is not considered a dog.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
That's Ali Conti, a journalist who recently wrote a story
about doodles for Bloomberg BusinessWeek.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And then these women who have you know, started their
own small businesses sort of breeding dogs, saying you know, wait,
I don't need your permission to say that I've created
a dog.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
So will these pups stay on top? Or has America
reached peak doodle? Sarah Holder And this is the big
take from Bloomberg News today. On the show Welcome to
doodle Mania, we go inside the biology and the business
behind the doodles rise to fame. I'm gonna give you
(04:16):
thirty seconds and you need to or you you are
welcome to name as many doodle breeds as you can.
Are you down?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yes? I think I might embarrass myself, but let's go
for it. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Okay, stop watch and putting thirty seconds in the clock.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Ready go well? Golden Doodle, burn a doodle, Labordoodle. That's
like the Holy Trinity, so to speak. She poo multi
poo ca a poo shnoodle U Golden Mountain Doodle, double doodle,
(04:56):
great noodle. That was the one that I love. I'm
glad I got that in before the clock.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
How many of those doodles did you know about before reporting?
Speaker 5 (05:06):
This?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
People? One? Which one? The Golden doodle, the ubiquitous one.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Back in twenty twenty four, reporter Ali Conti started looking
into a strange phenomenon why doodles seemed to be everywhere
on sidewalks with their owners, in cafes, breweries, on TikTok
in her editor's neighborhood in New Jersey. Ali set out
to find out just how big the doodle biz had gotten.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
This is like super back in the Nappian. But I
think it is just north of a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And what goes into that calculation the number of dogs,
then the mouth that they cost, and then how much
it costs to maintain them. So like golden doodles, for instance,
actually costs more to maintain than other dogs because they
need more grooming, so that factors in as well. But
it's just just north of a billion.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
There are no official doodle population figure, but for the
past several years, the PetCare site rover dot com has
found that doodles are among the most popular dogs on
their platform. The Pet Insurance division of Nationwide has reported
that from twenty thirteen to twenty twenty one, the number
of doodles they were ensuring had increased one hundred and
(06:18):
sixty percent. Each of these dogs can cost thousands of
dollars a year. Doodle breeders charge an average of two
thousand dollars per dog and there are higher end options too.
A company called Pride and Prejudoodles asks for more than
fifteen thousand dollars for a fully trained dog. Then there's
about three thousand dollars a year in maintenance costs think grooming, feeding,
(06:42):
and healthcare.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It adds up.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So how did the doodle market get so big? To
understand that, you have to begin far away from New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So the doodle origin story is that in nineteen eighty nine,
a man named Wally Conran in Australia bred this dog
that was supposed to be for this blind woman with
an allergic partner. So he combined a lab and a
poodle and you know, after like I think it was
like thirty three different trial runs of this, he found
(07:17):
like the magic sort of combination of dogs that could
like you know, be like the seeing eye dog for
this person. So you know, obviously very intelligent and you know,
listens to people and can be taught, and then also
didn't trigger the partner's allergies. So that was sort of
how this started. It was to fill a very specific need, ironically,
and now the dog has become like the dog of
(07:38):
choice for all different kinds of people.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
The doodle began to take off in the US in
the late nineties when a couple of American breeders started
marketing them widely.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And then once one person got one, they would tell
their friends, and then you know, the friends would want
the sibling dog, and then that kind of grew from there.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
That word of mouth reached Lauren Houston. She got her
f doodles straight from Australia in two thousand and four
and joined a passionate and growing community of doodle lovers.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
While I was waiting for this puppy, I was on
the breeder's chat page like every day, looking at photos
and connecting with people. So when I got Reagan, I
felt like I kind of knew this whole group of
people and it was pretty It was a pretty extensive network, actually,
I have to say. So we would do plate eights,
(08:28):
birthday parties for the dogs and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And as labradoodles became more and more popular, breeders tried
to ride the wave and come up with new variations.
They were making all kinds of poodle mixes, cockapoos, multipoos,
golden doodles, miniature golden doodles. The dog's popularity grew to
the point that by the end of the decade, a
doodle nearly reached the highest office in the land.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
So another inflection point would be two thousand and nine
Obama famously I say famously, but like it's only because
I know, sorry, it's when Obama famously was like considering
getting a doodle.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
It was a milestone that caught the attention of the
American Kennel Club, a group founded in the nineteenth century
that registers purebred dogs and advocates for dog health.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And the AKC like released a statement being like, oh, well,
he should really think twice about this. You never know
what you're getting into. Like they clearly had like this
like pr crisis, where like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Like and is that why he went with the Portuguese
water dog.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I would imagine that it probably gave him pause or
you know, we've all seen deep I feel like there
was a conversation.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
The doodle may have come short of being America's first pup,
but people like Lauren were already hooked. In twenty fourteen,
Lauren got another pet doodle named Skylee. She made her
an Instagram account. Within a year, it had twenty five
thousand followers. In twenty sixteen, Lauren started working for Skye's breeder,
(09:59):
running their social media accounts. Then COVID hit and doodle
demand reached new heights.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
People were home and everybody was getting puppies. But for
our program anyway, or their program, it was explosive.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Lauren decided to go solo. She launched her own breeding
program in twenty twenty one. Since then, she's sold eighty
three puppies. Her website says each puppy currently costs thirty
four hundred dollars plus tax, and on Instagram and Facebook,
her doodle related accounts have a following of more than
one hundred and forty thousand.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
I'll just say it, I'm a beast. Like when I
have puppies on the ground, I'm posting a minimum of
like forty stories a day. It's all day long. There
will never be a family that can say I don't
know what's happening over at Sunny Heart. Doodles like no,
they see everything.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
But the rise of the doodle has raised some concerns
from purebred enthusiasts and some of the most powerful gatekeepers
in the The doodle drama That's After the Break as
(11:16):
part of her reporting on the doodle business for BusinessWeek,
Ali Conti also wanted to understand another aspect of the
doodle boom it's critics. Online, you'll find a lot of
vitriol directed at doodle breeders and a fierce debate over
whether they're breeding practices are ethical.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So if you talk to people who breed doodles, they
will often talk about like doodle hate and how they
get a lot of hate mail and people commenting on
their Facebook pages from people who are into purebred dogs,
essentially saying these dogs are bred and ethically they're not healthy,
spreading messaging about like you never know what you're gonna
get when you get a doodle.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
And Ali says you can find some of the loudest
doodle opponents at events put on by the American Kennel Club,
the nonprofit registry that is final say on what is
and isn't considered an official breed in the US. The
organization's stamp of approval is the best way for an
emerging dog breed to become popular with the public, and
the AKAC doesn't recognize doodles. An AKC spokesperson told Ali
(12:20):
that no doodles have applied to be recognized. Earlier this year,
Ali went to the Clubs Meet the Breed's event in
New York.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That's where people go and like basically proselytize about their
favorite breed. And it's like funn you get to go
pet a bunch of dogs. But people have these like
antidoodle like buttons on what does an antidoodle button look like?
You know, make sure of a doodle. It's so cute.
It just says doodle with the line through it.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
The AKAC makes the majority of its one hundred million
dollars in annual revenue from registering purebread dogs and selling
tracking chips to owners. But since doodles hit the scene,
the AKAC has seen purebread poodle registrations declined. In nineteen ninety,
they were just under seventy two thousand registered poodles. By
(13:07):
two thousand and eight, that number had dropped to just
under twenty two thousand. They haven't released dog registration data
since then.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
So it's kind of like the AKC is rapidly losing
its it's relevance. Like people are not super hung up
on having a pure red dog anymore. I mean, this
is their livelihood, right and the rise of the doodle
has absolutely cut into their market share. You know, they
always say, like, this is about the health of the dogs,
and there are backyard breeders who are doing unethical things
(13:37):
for sure, but there are also ethical breeders. So it's
not really fair to say if you get a golden doodle,
it's gonna have health problems, you know, it's going to
be from an unethical breeding situation. Like that's not true
at all, but that is sort of the line. Through
A spokesperson, the AKAC told us in an email that quote,
we are not anti mixed breed or antidoodle, nor do
(13:58):
we see these dogs as a threat to the organization
in any financial or organizational way. The spokesperson also said
they don't consider financial factors when considering whether to recognize
a breed. When asked whether doodles were cutting into their
market share, the spokesperson said no, that there was no
way for them to track that. She said the organization
includes doodles in quote many of the AKC sanctioned sports
(14:21):
and activities, and that they value the enthusiasm, athleticism, and
joy that they bring to their events and to the
dog community as a whole, and how has the doodle
community responded. Well, if you ask anyone who's like an
ethical breeder in the doodle world, they will say, well,
we want nothing to do with AKAC. And it's hard
to know if they don't really care about getting this
(14:43):
recognition from the AKAC because they just don't need it,
or if it's in a reaction to like how they've
been treated by these these purebred breeders. So it's hard
to know.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
The AKC spokesperson said in an email quote. Rather than
centering the conversation on claims about profits or competition, which
do nothing to improve outcomes for dogs, we should be
working together to support and protect responsible breeders so they
can continue doing what is best for the dogs in
their care.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Unquote.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
As a doodle breeder, Lauren Houston says she's learned to
live with a discourse. She just cares about her dogs.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
In my personal life, like everybody loves my dogs. Everybody
just adores them. In the public space, it's a little
more critical because there are many people who hate breeders
and who hate doodles. I don't care who adopts what
or who buys what pure bread. I don't think that
there are a whole lot of people out there who
are going to be able to convince people who love
(15:40):
doodles to not get doodles.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Allie, When you think about the future of the doodle industry,
have we hit peak doodle or could their popularity rise
even more?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I think the popularity could rise even more. You know,
like there is still a bit of a stigma around
doodle ownership, in part due to day CAC's messaging and
the messaging of some of these individual purebred readers, and
if that were to disappear, then I think there would
be absolutely no barrier to doodles completely overtaking every dog
(16:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hi, I'm so nice to meet you and you're Sarah.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
A few days ago, our producer David Fox and I
drove to the suburbs of New Jersey to meet Lauren
Houston and her dogs.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
This is Skyle, she turned eleven in September. And this
is Vippy. Here. Vippy is VIP, which stands for a
very Important puppy. She was my is my first reading
mama in the program and she just had her retirement litter.
This is Gavin. He is one of my stud dogs.
(00:54):
He just started reading. And then Navy.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Vippy and Skye and and Navy aren't just any old ducks.
They're labradoodles. Labradoodles are a mix between a Labrador Retriever
and a poodle. They're just one branch of the doodle
family tree. And Lauren is a labradoodle breeder. In twenty
(01:21):
twenty one, she started a company called Sunny Heart Doodles.
Now she breeds and raises doodle puppies out of her home.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
I breed exclusively many multi generational Australian labradoodles who are
health tested and have lineage dating back to the original
lines of Australian labradoodles.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Since the first labradoodle was born in Australia in nineteen
eighty nine, doodles of all kinds have exploded in popularity,
but Lauren was an early adopter. She got a couple
cockapoos in the late nineties that's a cocker spaniel poodle
mix for the uninitiated. And then in the early two thousands,
when Lauren was looking for a new dog to take in,
(02:04):
she discovered the world of labradoodles.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I wound up connecting with a bunch of these different
doodle clubs, and I thought, Okay, I've met like thirty
forty of these dogs and they've all been amazing. I
would love any one of them.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
What was special about them?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
I think they're muppet like, bouncy, flouncy, happy, go luckiness.
I naturally gravitate towards them. They're just so humanesque in
their expressions and even in their eyes. They're just kind
of captivating.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Fast forward to twenty twenty five and Lauren has raised
dozens of doodle puppies for other families to adopt. Meanwhile,
people around the country have fallen in love with the
dogs too.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Look how cute they are. You cannot find a coat
anywhere like this in the animal kingdom.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It's a live human, a live teddy bear.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
They're sweet, they're smart, they're cudly, and you'll never go
to the bathroom alone. Doodles have become a big business,
one that could be worth more than a billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I'll be walking my dogs down the street and like downtown,
and somebody from across the street will be like, doodle,
and I'll be like, yeah, doodle, and you know, it's
kind of like, you know, thumbs up, because they have
a doodle too.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
But the ubiquity of these muppet like hoodle mixes has
also come with some puppy drama.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I think it's fair to say that there is a
little bit of disagreement between sort of like the institutional
gatekeepers and who have four centuries had the final say
over what is considered and is not considered a dog.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
That's Ali Conti, a journalist who recently wrote a story
about doodles for Bloomberg BusinessWeek.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And then these women who have you know, started their
own small businesses sort of breeding dogs, saying you know, wait,
I don't need your permission to say that I've created
a dog.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
So will these pups stay on top? Or has America
reached peak doodle? Sarah Holder And this is the big
take from Bloomberg News today. On the show Welcome to
doodle Mania, we go inside the biology and the business
behind the doodles rise to fame. I'm gonna give you
(04:16):
thirty seconds and you need to or you you are
welcome to name as many doodle breeds as you can.
Are you down?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yes? I think I might embarrass myself, but let's go
for it. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Okay, stop watch and putting thirty seconds in the clock.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Ready go well? Golden Doodle, burn a doodle, Labordoodle. That's
like the Holy Trinity, so to speak. She poo multi
poo ca a poo shnoodle U Golden Mountain Doodle, double doodle,
(04:56):
great noodle. That was the one that I love. I'm
glad I got that in before the clock.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
How many of those doodles did you know about before reporting?
Speaker 5 (05:06):
This?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
People? One? Which one? The Golden doodle, the ubiquitous one.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Back in twenty twenty four, reporter Ali Conti started looking
into a strange phenomenon why doodles seemed to be everywhere
on sidewalks with their owners, in cafes, breweries, on TikTok
in her editor's neighborhood in New Jersey. Ali set out
to find out just how big the doodle biz had gotten.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
This is like super back in the Nappian. But I
think it is just north of a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And what goes into that calculation the number of dogs,
then the mouth that they cost, and then how much
it costs to maintain them. So like golden doodles, for instance,
actually costs more to maintain than other dogs because they
need more grooming, so that factors in as well. But
it's just just north of a billion.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
There are no official doodle population figure, but for the
past several years, the PetCare site rover dot com has
found that doodles are among the most popular dogs on
their platform. The Pet Insurance division of Nationwide has reported
that from twenty thirteen to twenty twenty one, the number
of doodles they were ensuring had increased one hundred and
(06:18):
sixty percent. Each of these dogs can cost thousands of
dollars a year. Doodle breeders charge an average of two
thousand dollars per dog and there are higher end options too.
A company called Pride and Prejudoodles asks for more than
fifteen thousand dollars for a fully trained dog. Then there's
about three thousand dollars a year in maintenance costs think grooming, feeding,
(06:42):
and healthcare.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It adds up.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So how did the doodle market get so big? To
understand that, you have to begin far away from New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So the doodle origin story is that in nineteen eighty nine,
a man named Wally Conran in Australia bred this dog
that was supposed to be for this blind woman with
an allergic partner. So he combined a lab and a
poodle and you know, after like I think it was
like thirty three different trial runs of this, he found
(07:17):
like the magic sort of combination of dogs that could
like you know, be like the seeing eye dog for
this person. So you know, obviously very intelligent and you know,
listens to people and can be taught, and then also
didn't trigger the partner's allergies. So that was sort of
how this started. It was to fill a very specific need, ironically,
and now the dog has become like the dog of
(07:38):
choice for all different kinds of people.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
The doodle began to take off in the US in
the late nineties when a couple of American breeders started
marketing them widely.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And then once one person got one, they would tell
their friends, and then you know, the friends would want
the sibling dog, and then that kind of grew from there.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
That word of mouth reached Lauren Houston. She got her
f doodles straight from Australia in two thousand and four
and joined a passionate and growing community of doodle lovers.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
While I was waiting for this puppy, I was on
the breeder's chat page like every day, looking at photos
and connecting with people. So when I got Reagan, I
felt like I kind of knew this whole group of
people and it was pretty It was a pretty extensive network, actually,
I have to say. So we would do plate eights,
(08:28):
birthday parties for the dogs and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And as labradoodles became more and more popular, breeders tried
to ride the wave and come up with new variations.
They were making all kinds of poodle mixes, cockapoos, multipoos,
golden doodles, miniature golden doodles. The dog's popularity grew to
the point that by the end of the decade, a
doodle nearly reached the highest office in the land.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
So another inflection point would be two thousand and nine
Obama famously I say famously, but like it's only because
I know, sorry, it's when Obama famously was like considering
getting a doodle.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
It was a milestone that caught the attention of the
American Kennel Club, a group founded in the nineteenth century
that registers purebred dogs and advocates for dog health.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And the AKC like released a statement being like, oh, well,
he should really think twice about this. You never know
what you're getting into. Like they clearly had like this
like pr crisis, where like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Like and is that why he went with the Portuguese
water dog.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I would imagine that it probably gave him pause or
you know, we've all seen deep I feel like there
was a conversation.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
The doodle may have come short of being America's first pup,
but people like Lauren were already hooked. In twenty fourteen,
Lauren got another pet doodle named Skylee. She made her
an Instagram account. Within a year, it had twenty five
thousand followers. In twenty sixteen, Lauren started working for Skye's breeder,
(09:59):
running their social media accounts. Then COVID hit and doodle
demand reached new heights.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
People were home and everybody was getting puppies. But for
our program anyway, or their program, it was explosive.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Lauren decided to go solo. She launched her own breeding
program in twenty twenty one. Since then, she's sold eighty
three puppies. Her website says each puppy currently costs thirty
four hundred dollars plus tax, and on Instagram and Facebook,
her doodle related accounts have a following of more than
one hundred and forty thousand.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
I'll just say it, I'm a beast. Like when I
have puppies on the ground, I'm posting a minimum of
like forty stories a day. It's all day long. There
will never be a family that can say I don't
know what's happening over at Sunny Heart. Doodles like no,
they see everything.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
But the rise of the doodle has raised some concerns
from purebred enthusiasts and some of the most powerful gatekeepers
in the The doodle drama That's After the Break as
(11:16):
part of her reporting on the doodle business for BusinessWeek,
Ali Conti also wanted to understand another aspect of the
doodle boom it's critics. Online, you'll find a lot of
vitriol directed at doodle breeders and a fierce debate over
whether they're breeding practices are ethical.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So if you talk to people who breed doodles, they
will often talk about like doodle hate and how they
get a lot of hate mail and people commenting on
their Facebook pages from people who are into purebred dogs,
essentially saying these dogs are bred and ethically they're not healthy,
spreading messaging about like you never know what you're gonna
get when you get a doodle.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
And Ali says you can find some of the loudest
doodle opponents at events put on by the American Kennel Club,
the nonprofit registry that is final say on what is
and isn't considered an official breed in the US. The
organization's stamp of approval is the best way for an
emerging dog breed to become popular with the public, and
the AKAC doesn't recognize doodles. An AKC spokesperson told Ali
(12:20):
that no doodles have applied to be recognized. Earlier this year,
Ali went to the Clubs Meet the Breed's event in
New York.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That's where people go and like basically proselytize about their
favorite breed. And it's like funn you get to go
pet a bunch of dogs. But people have these like
antidoodle like buttons on what does an antidoodle button look like?
You know, make sure of a doodle. It's so cute.
It just says doodle with the line through it.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
The AKAC makes the majority of its one hundred million
dollars in annual revenue from registering purebread dogs and selling
tracking chips to owners. But since doodles hit the scene,
the AKAC has seen purebread poodle registrations declined. In nineteen ninety,
they were just under seventy two thousand registered poodles. By
(13:07):
two thousand and eight, that number had dropped to just
under twenty two thousand. They haven't released dog registration data
since then.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
So it's kind of like the AKC is rapidly losing
its it's relevance. Like people are not super hung up
on having a pure red dog anymore. I mean, this
is their livelihood, right and the rise of the doodle
has absolutely cut into their market share. You know, they
always say, like, this is about the health of the dogs,
and there are backyard breeders who are doing unethical things
(13:37):
for sure, but there are also ethical breeders. So it's
not really fair to say if you get a golden doodle,
it's gonna have health problems, you know, it's going to
be from an unethical breeding situation. Like that's not true
at all, but that is sort of the line. Through
A spokesperson, the AKAC told us in an email that quote,
we are not anti mixed breed or antidoodle, nor do
(13:58):
we see these dogs as a threat to the organization
in any financial or organizational way. The spokesperson also said
they don't consider financial factors when considering whether to recognize
a breed. When asked whether doodles were cutting into their
market share, the spokesperson said no, that there was no
way for them to track that. She said the organization
includes doodles in quote many of the AKC sanctioned sports
(14:21):
and activities, and that they value the enthusiasm, athleticism, and
joy that they bring to their events and to the
dog community as a whole, and how has the doodle
community responded. Well, if you ask anyone who's like an
ethical breeder in the doodle world, they will say, well,
we want nothing to do with AKAC. And it's hard
to know if they don't really care about getting this
(14:43):
recognition from the AKAC because they just don't need it,
or if it's in a reaction to like how they've
been treated by these these purebred breeders. So it's hard
to know.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
The AKC spokesperson said in an email quote. Rather than
centering the conversation on claims about profits or competition, which
do nothing to improve outcomes for dogs, we should be
working together to support and protect responsible breeders so they
can continue doing what is best for the dogs in
their care.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Unquote.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
As a doodle breeder, Lauren Houston says she's learned to
live with a discourse. She just cares about her dogs.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
In my personal life, like everybody loves my dogs. Everybody
just adores them. In the public space, it's a little
more critical because there are many people who hate breeders
and who hate doodles. I don't care who adopts what
or who buys what pure bread. I don't think that
there are a whole lot of people out there who
are going to be able to convince people who love
(15:40):
doodles to not get doodles.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Allie, When you think about the future of the doodle industry,
have we hit peak doodle or could their popularity rise
even more?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I think the popularity could rise even more. You know,
like there is still a bit of a stigma around
doodle ownership, in part due to day CAC's messaging and
the messaging of some of these individual purebred readers, and
if that were to disappear, then I think there would
be absolutely no barrier to doodles completely overtaking every dog
(16:13):
park in America.
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