6 Years of Weekly Spooky: Building a Horror Podcast Powerhouse

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, folks, you're listening to Andrew Schuer, arts and culture
reporter for USA Today, and I'm here with my friend
Enrique Kuto, and today we're going to be talking about
his show Weekly Spooky. Welcome, Enrique, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I guess it's technically my show, but I like being
welcomed anyway.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
You know what I'm do.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
You know the treat yourself my friend. So throughout October,
if I'm not mistaken, you released an episode a day
of this show.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Right, yes, sir, And it ended up it ended up
being I'm always I'm the consummate overachiever. So there were
actually thirty two releases in thirty one days because I
ended up having one extra, like I bake too many cookies.
So there was one day that we dropped two shows
in that single day.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I hear you, well, I'm a FAMILYSS show in addition
to being a friend of yours. But as is the
case throughout the time that you've been doing this, and
even when you would send me screenplays or new movies
that you've made, You're like, can you check this out?
And I'm like, what do I always say?

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Not at night?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah? No, I mean I'm I can't tell you how
many times. I mean, I just finished recording are we
just as of us recording this? We just released episode
three hundred and sixty five of the main Weekly Spooky show,
and I still I record them in a dark room,
just me, a microphone and a computer screen.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
The goal is really to creep myself out. It's not
even a side effect. I'm I try to sit alone
in the room and like, because you know, you hear
yourself in the headphones everything. I'm trying to like work
myself up the way I would work a single person
sitting in front of me in a dark room up
if I was trying to scare them.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Okay, That's that's.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
What I try to go for, although you know it,
some days it translates different. I mean, you know, we
have so many different kinds of stories that it's hard
to really do that exact thing every time. Some of
them are very conversational, some of them are very third
person stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Well, so yeah, I'm familiar with all the different ones
because I, of course am a subscriber to the show.
But I wanted to before we go into this interview,
as far as it relates directly to Weekly Spooky I
want to ask you, how close are you to the
twentieth anniversary of your podcasting career?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Oh my gosh, that is that would probably be next year, okay,
because that was my memory that the first time I
had even I had heard of podcasting, that I just
thought it was something you needed an iPod for.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
But you were the first person I knew that was
actually doing it. Can you just kind of talk about
like what it was like in the beginning, Sure, this
is kind of how it's changed for you now and
what's made you stay with it.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's funny because I had a podcast and was listening
to podcasts so early in the cycle. I think the
first podcast I downloaded it was probably two thousand and five,
and I believe podcasts started No. Four and back then
you couldn't click subscribe. You had to go to a

(03:36):
web page, copy an XML file or which is an
RSS feed file. You had to copy it and paste
it into like a drop down in iTunes, and RSS
feeds were invented for news gathering. RSS feeds would be
what would feed like a aggregate blog or something like that,

(03:58):
So you'd go to some news website and it would
keep updating every time a story was published. And that
was what made this really special for podcasting was it
was like, okay, it's a on demand internet radio show,
but it updates itself into your listening you know environment,
so you know, you'd hit subscribe and then you'd know

(04:21):
that like when you woke up in the morning, the
new one would be waiting for you. And back then
when iPods were becoming all the rage, if you had
it synced directly to your iPod, then that meant that
every day, when you took your iPod, unplugged it from
your computer and headed out for your day, all of
your podcasts would already be loaded and ready for you
to listen to. It took a lot of effort to

(04:43):
get to that point. You had to have an iPod,
which were pretty expensive early on, and also just the
technology was so new it weirded people out. You had
to have iTunes and be a power user of iTunes
in order to I remember the day it was in
two thousand and six when they introduced a button that

(05:03):
if you clicked it or a link, and if you
clicked it, it would open up your iTunes and subscribe
them like all in one go. And how insane that
was because before we were having to share like wiki
how articles like subscribe to my podcast. So I had
started a podcast in like yeah, early two thousand and

(05:25):
six called The Freak Forum, and it was just a
you know, just a running my mouth podcast, and I
mean I had a lot of fun with it. I
did over one hundred episodes of it, and I try
I had dabbled in live streaming. I dabbled in all
those things, which is funny because like that stuff caught
on like three or four years later, like really caught on.

(05:47):
So it's funny when you said, because like to me,
I was hardcore into podcasting for about three years and
then I took a pretty long sabbatical of just kind
of like you know, being near and around podcasting. I
had had a lot of friends start podcasts kind of
with my guidance or help or whatever, including yourself obviously,

(06:09):
so there was always like an air of podcasting around.
And I had also become obsessed with and I've always been.
But I know you have two with with you know,
literal storytelling, because my main job is you know, visual
storytelling movies, et cetera, television shows. But I've always loved
the spoken word storytelling thing. It's just I've always thought

(06:33):
that that was the coolest thing. I remember being in
my early twenties and a lot of my friends in
that age range being like, you really want to just
like shut off all the lights in this hotel room
and tell scary stories? And I was like, yes, why not?
What could be cooler? You know? It turned out a
lot of things according to them, but but you know,

(06:54):
that was something I'd always loved. And then in I
think it was twenty ten or eleven, when I was
like dipping my toe into a lot of musical stuff,
I did a CD called Don't Listen in the Dark,
and it had four very short scary stories. I think
they reached like eight minutes long that I had written,

(07:16):
and the first one had a cover of Monster Mash
on it. It was just like a fun, silly thing
for Halloween time, and I did that. I did another
one the next year, and it was really fun. I
remember enjoying the hell out of the experience of recording
these little audio books. And I'd always been told like
I had a voice for audio books, so gosh. Then

(07:37):
like a few more years ago, well that was like
a year or two go by, and I got contacted
by this guy named Greg I believe it's Craig koshek
is how you say his name, and he is the
founder of actually one of the biggest horror podcasts there is,
which is called Chilling Tales for Dark Nights. And at
the time he was starting out as a YouTube channel

(07:58):
and he had heard one of my narrations and literally
just said like, hey, if I send you an ed
garlid post story, will you just will you read it
and let me put it on my channel. I said, okay,
So he took it and like put music to it
and all this stuff, and it was really it sounded awesome.
We did a couple more like that. I know Craig
is a very busy guy, but I'm still I'm a

(08:20):
little salty. He never really answers my emails. Like when
I launched Weekly Spooky, I was like, we should do
some kind of cross promotions since I was like one
of like the first six narrators you used, and he
was just kind of like yeah, and then didn't really
get back to me, because I mean he's like literally
one of the like maybe in the top ten in
this in this genre. Is his podcast? Well right now, well, yeah,

(08:42):
he's he's been up there for a good while. But
I mean, there, I just did the podcast. Ecosystem is
something I'm still kind of learning about. I've started to
make more friends in that space. Darren Marlar from Weird Darkness,
which is a really awesome daily podcast. He's like the
nicest human being in the world, and he would with
with zero you know, consternation, be like, I would be

(09:04):
happy to promote your show. You know, he was the
nicest dude, still is. But anyway, so a few more
years go by, and then I had been and I'm
sure you remember me talking about it forever. I'd been like,
I just want to do a podcast, but it has
to be sustainable, Yeah, because doing like the Freak Forum,
it was it was tough, especially like, you know, I

(09:25):
was working a job. I was very young, so it
was very like I didn't really have that much to
say just yet. I had some stuff to say, but
like I wasn't there yet, and the big problem was
I couldn't find someone to bounce off of consistently. And
then it hit me like a sack of bricks. I
was like, what if it was a scary story podcast?
Because I loved the idea of reading scary stories so much,

(09:48):
and I, through the help of several friends, authors and such,
I could find enough stories to publish one a week.
So that was like the Eureka but also dumb moment
of like, oh, I should do that. And the craziest
thing about Weekly Spooky's launch was that I think I
came up with that idea in July or August and

(10:12):
it launched on Halloween Day like from there. So we
pulled it together really really fast, and a lot of
that was myself and my producer, Dan Wilder on the show. Dan,
especially in the first like two years, he was scouring
the internet for authors that would want to be involved.
He was also writing stories for the show, so he

(10:35):
was very instrumental in getting the show to really happen.
And there were a few weeks every now and then
where I was sweating because I was like, uh, we
need a story and it's Monday, and like, we publish
on Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
So what year was that, man?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
That was twenty nineteen. Okay, Yeah, it feels weird because
starting in the second half of the year, I keep
feeling like it started twenty twenty, but in reality, it started,
you know, four months out or whatever, So three months out.
So but yeah, so that was like the big Eureka
moment of like, I love podcasting. I've been an avid
podcast listener for forever, it feels like, and I wanted

(11:17):
to come up with something I could consistently, you know,
be proud of and feel like delivers a ton of
value to the listener as long as they're a total
you know, spooky nerd just like me.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, well, now you've got you said, three hundred and
sixty five episodes, and that's of the main show, the
main show. So what's like the most popular episode?

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Man, that's that's hard. That's really hard to uh to
gather and I'll tell you why because the the performance
metrics reset after two years.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Ah okay, So is there one that you just maybe
got a lot of feedback on most more so than
others or.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, there were a couple of favorites, uh, personal favorites.
That's tough because you know that's like making your favorite child,
which like obviously you have one, but you're not supposed
to say no, no, but no. Ones that have stuck
out a ton were stories like Charles Campbell's first I
think it was his first story on our podcast feed

(12:15):
Charles Campbell, great author based out of South Carolina. He
did a story called Pumpkin Spice and Nothing Nice and
that I want to say that was either twenty twenty
one or two. I think it was twenty twenty one's
Halloween season. We started with Pumpkin Spice and Nothing Nice.
And I got so much feedback about that, so many

(12:37):
people saying that was their first episode they ever heard,
and then they got really into the show because it
published like on the twenty ninth of September, right when
the Halloween you know, flood of listenership was coming to
Weekly Spooky and I was still at that point learning
how to kind of harness that that massive audience shift.

(13:00):
That's what I hear about all the time. Oh No,
that's just that's the one I've heard about a lot.
I get a lot about Rob Field's stories because they're
they're kind of a disparate universe where they're all, you know,
kind of in the same world. A lot of people
talk a lot about the Angel of Death character Reagan
Devereaux from from the earlier Strickfield stories. That's another one

(13:25):
that I hear a lot of people saying, like we
want more rage. We want more rage, and we're gonna
give you a little more rage. We we wrapped her
storyline up for the most part, but every now and
then she pops back up for a minute.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
So you mentioned a couple of people's names. I wanted
to make sure that I that I touched on this
because you don't like write every single episode. You've got
a few different authors, and because you know someone will
look at this podcast and hear your voice and might
wrongly assume like he's responsible for all of this content.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Which would be incredible if I could, if I could
write that consistently and that diversely. I try. I try
to spotlight the authors as much as I can. We
you know, we traditionally start every story with you know,
the title and buy and their name to try to
like make sure that comes across. And and my favorite

(14:19):
thing about this show is that we have so many
interesting authors that have so many different styles. They're so
different from each other, and you can really tune in
one week and maybe not love the episode, and the
next week be totally engrossed with it because you you know,
one week you could have a horror comedy. The next
week you'd have body horror. The next week after that,

(14:41):
you could have a taught thriller. The week after that,
you could have something that's appropriate for kids. It bounces
a ton because Spooky is a very broad spectrum. Yeah,
but as far as you know the authors go. I mean,
our first story ever was Mischief Night by Shane Migley Avaka,
and Shane is a writer in upstate New York who

(15:03):
I love his work so much, and he's written every
story we've aired on Halloween Day since that first year.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Are these curated by you or is there a way
to submit?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
So we do take submissions. It's one of those things
I should really plug it a little bit more because
we've had a few incredible submissions, including one of my
favorites was a writer who wrote in and said, I
don't listen to your podcast, but my wife does, and
if you could read my story and if you like it,
read it on your show, it would really like blow

(15:38):
her mind. And we ended up doing that and I
give a little shout out to his wife at the
beginning of it. It was a good story. But yeah,
we accept submissions at Weekly Spooky at gmail dot com.
The way it generally works is you send a story
in I read it, producer Dan reads it, and if
we both like it, then it goes on the air.

(15:58):
And once you've had a couple of stories past scrutiny
with Dan and I, you kind of end up in
the inner circle to where really just send a story
and it'll air like eventually. And we have a you know,
a big crowdy of Rob Fields, Shanemglivaka, Joe Solmo, Charles Campbell,
David O'Hanlon, who wrote the Babysitter Massacre novelizations you know ed,

(16:22):
Dan Wilder of course, and a bunch more authors that
I'm I will always forget somebody, but we have a
lot of Bruce Haney who's started writing like a ton
of really interesting stuff. And Bruce Haney started out as
a listener who was a nonfiction writer, and he submitted
some fiction that he had never really gotten a chance to,
you know, submit anywhere before. So we definitely love getting submissions.

(16:45):
We love taking a look and potentially featuring it on
the show. Also, something I didn't realize until doing this
podcast is authors have like no venue for short stories.
There's like nowhere other than just like dumping it on a.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Blog, Huh.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's what I've always been told because so many of
these authors, when they'd start submitting lots and lots of stuff,
I would just be like, wow, that's a lot of stuff.
They're like, well, you know, this ended up in some
compilation nobody bought, or this ended up, you know, on
my website, and I don't think anybody's ever seen it.
Because it's easier to market a book than it is
to get people to read a short story. So a

(17:25):
lot of authors were like thankful for a place to
get their short stories heard and have an audience kind
of developed from it, which is something I was not
prepared for. I did not expect that to be a
byproduct of doing the show.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Wow, that's wild.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
When I was an avid fiction reader, I always enjoyed
and preferred magazines full of short stories and short story
compilation books and anthologies to like straight up novels. And
that really kind of leads into my next question, which is,

(18:02):
you know your podcast isn't just these spooky stories. You've
also got a few other type of episodes that are
in here, and I was wondering if you can kind
of talk about when you started to do those and
why I'm a I'm a big fan of the terrifying
and true.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Is that what it's called the Yeah? Yeah, Because I'm
not a.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
True crime person, but I do want to hear you
talk about these famous stories, and so I listened to
those as well. But also, you know you've also got
the well talk about some of the other shows. Sure.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Sure, So what happened was? I think it was? I
want to say it was in twenty twenty two, we
had our biggest Halloween season ever and it was insane.
I mean the amount of listenership. I think it went
up by like fifteen or twenty times what it normally was,
and then it didn't drop all the way back down.
We had a lot of people hang out and I

(18:58):
had just at that point partnered with iHeartMedia because that's
how the show is supported. The show is entirely ad supported.
We have a Patreon for bonus episodes and stuff, but
overall it's advertising that drives the show. Whenever anybody says, like,
you know, there's too many ads, it's like, I don't
know what to tell you. It's either that or there's
no show. Like I can either give you a free

(19:20):
audiobook or I cannot because you know, we've done shows
where like it's a three hour free audiobook, so either
there's gonna be commercials or it's just not going to exist.
But when that happened, it started to make the show
a bit more viable, but also it became a machine
where the people downloading were hungry for more content. So

(19:41):
the first show I dip my toe in was was
Terrifying and True, which is true crime and folklore and
urban legends, which I'm not the biggest true crime person
in the world, although I do find them fascinating, but
I am a just obsessive folklore and urban legends person,
and that's been one of the most fun elements of
that show has been doing these pieces that dive super,

(20:06):
super meticulously deep into things like Resurrection Mary in Chicago
or the Maurice Celeste Ship where everybody vanished. I mean,
we've done a little over I think we've done one
hundred and fifteen episodes of Terrifying and True. Now, yeah,
I've I've.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
You know, I'm more of a consider because I'm a
writer of nonfiction, so I've been more of a nonfiction
reader in my adult life. But I have to say
even some of those episodes have and The Weekly Spooky.
When it started, I was like, Henrique, I loved this show,
but man, I am agatting creeped out, Like I'm really
susceptible to the like campfire story kind of thing. Even

(20:46):
though it was a Friday thirteenth two that starts outing
about Jason. That is the scariest scene to me in
any of those movies. It's just I am creeped out
by that and the Terrifying and True. I'm like, it's like,
I'm curious. I'm curious, but I can't listen to these
at night because you still read them in that same

(21:06):
the Weekly Spooky.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Police and anything.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yes, it's good, but folks.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Who are listening this is being recorded at like noon.
Yes for that, but uh, I wanted to ask click
who does the research and the writing for for those episodes,
because you also have a new feature that you did
that you're doing uh this week in Horror right.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, Uh, we have freelancers that do Terrifying and True
because that's a lot less I guess the best way
to put it would be it's a lot more technical
and a lot less fun than fiction. So nobody's pounding
down the door to you know, research and write. But
what's what's talking.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
About my my entire career with.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Well you get yeah, and you don't do it for free, right,
absolutely not. But with Terrifying and True. The thing that's
really benefited the show is as the technology has grown,
you can now do a lot of the research very
efficiently and quickly using chat ept and Google, Gemini and

(22:15):
things like that. So it's gotten to a point where
it costs way less money to create a much longer program.
That's why a lot of the episodes now are in
the forty minute range. Is the cost per word to
get these research pieces done has dropped a ton, so
so a lot of that is done through yeah, research freelancers,

(22:38):
and just the technological advancements have helped a ton. So
that's for the most part how we're able to pop
out so many terrifying and truths. And with with this
Week in Horror History, which I just just launched this week,
that one is just hell of fun and it really

(23:00):
is as simple as like the research for that can
be done in a matter of minutes. Now I can
I can do a a annotated chatchy BT scrape of
the Internet of like you know, what things in horror
happened November third through ninth, and it'll give me a
bunch and I can kind of punch through it and
dig around and and try to, you know, find the

(23:22):
gold in there. So and it used to be that
that would have been super hard, you know, it would
have been very very hard to pull together. And now
it's it's bizarrely simple, and I'm hoping people like that show.
That's what I'm experimenting with. It's it's very different from
it's it's you know, it's not as different from it's
like I'm trying thing the words. It's like a merge

(23:44):
between what I'm doing with Cutting Deep into Horror, the
movie review show, and Monthly Spooky, which is like the
month end talk show. But it kind of combines those
with like terrifying and true because I have a script
and I have information I'm getting across. But I tried
to be a little bit more in the moment and
have fun with it because I'm talking about old horror

(24:05):
movies and TV shows and I generally have an opinion
about all of those and a lot of nerding out
to do as well. Well.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
That was something that I just wanted to personally ask
about first, I want to say that more than anything
that you've created for Weekly Spooky, it is that show,
the one that debuted this week.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Say the name of it again.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
This week in horror history industry.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Okay, that one has has like that is like seems
like tailored for me because I am, like, I love trivia,
and things like trivia will spark me to like I
texted you after I had listened to it, I went
and rewatched The Prowler, and when I was listening to
your description of it, I was in the car, which

(24:52):
is mostly where I listened to it. I I you
even like I was thinking about it, going like, okay,
I know that Tom Savini was a combat fittigrapher and
it formed his ability to represent really like anatomically correct
gore on screen, and that was kind of the hallmark
of one of the things.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
That made him very unique.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
And then like maybe a beat or two later there
you mention it, you know, and I was like, that's it.
I'm watching the Prowler, you know, so if you want
to know how it goes over for just somebody like me,
that's the perfect combination right there.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I'm hopeful that it'll be I mean, it's a really
fun show to do and to get into the nuts
and bolts. It's so helpful that it can be recorded
ahead because you know, the Week in Horror History doesn't
change like the calendars set, so I can very easily
sit down and record a month's worth of them in

(25:51):
one go if necessary, so that I can have a life.
Because with the introduction of this Week in Horror History,
Weekly Spooky is now publishing an average of five days
a week. Yeah, so that's almost going to be Daily
Spooky by by podcasting standards, it is daily once you
break four, once you're beyond four episodes a week considered daily.

(26:16):
And that's been a really a cool experience. I mean,
I love publishing all the time. I love the fact
that the audience can come and go as they please.
They know that if they come on Wednesday, they get
a scary story. They know if they come on Friday
they're going to get a surprise. It could be cutting
deep into a horror episode about a movie. It could
be a compilation of some of the best you know,

(26:38):
scary stories. That's been something that's been super fun to do.
By the way, is doing like the you know seven
Stories of Ghostly Murder or you know, five Tales of
Dastardly Drinks. Because we have, you know, over three hundred
episodes to choose from, we can put these little compilations together.
And I had wondered when we first started doing the

(27:00):
compilations if people will be like, oh, these are just
reruns and all the comments are positive. They're either people
who'd never heard the show. Where people are like, man,
it's been so long since I heard that one. It
was cool to hear it again, and I'm like, good,
I'm glad you're enjoying it. And then Sundays are unknown
broadcast and I don't know what the hell's going on
with that. I'm gonna stay in character on that one.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Speaking of character, I have to ask when did you
find this voice? Because I know you personally, and I
think people that have followed you, you know, as a podcaster,
you know, you were like, you're pretty much you. But
for for the Spook, the purposes of Weekly Spooky and
these other shows too, for this Week in Horror History,

(27:43):
it's a lot more You're a lot more loose with it,
and there's a little bit more of your personality in there.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
But yeah, I wanted.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
I wanted to know when you found the voice, because
it's a little Shatner, but not like it's like spooky Shatner.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
How do you like?

Speaker 3 (28:00):
How long did it take you to come up with
that cadence?

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Very long actually, probably three years to kind of find
a tone that was consistent. The problem is, I'm a
by nature a very fast talker and a very fast reader.
If I sit down and actually do it, r like

(28:24):
the challenge with reading. Imagine that to find out I
of adhd You know, twenty years later, I could never
sit down and read to save my life. That was
actually one of the funniest things about doing weekly Spooky
is it was like, oh, I'll have to sit down
and read every week. Whoo. That's a dream that I
have failed to accomplish for a long time. But but
like what happened was the more I worked on it,

(28:46):
the more I would notice, like when I would flob
a line it was because I was rushing. And the
more I would work on it and work on it,
the more I would realize, like, I need a consistent
cadence that allows me the time to prepare to pronounce
the word ahead of me. That kind of thing and

(29:06):
then and then from there also like the more I
would listen back to them, like on Weekly Spooky. It
really depends on the story, you know, if it's a
if it's a first person narrative, unless the main character
is particularly devious, i'm gonna be talking somewhat like this,
maybe a little bit uh, you know, more dulcet, a
little bit calmer to make it soothing, because I know

(29:28):
that a lot of people listen to talk to relax.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, occasionally, you know, well one of the fiction ones, definitely,
you'll occasionally throw in some some like emphasis with the
person's voice if it's.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Oh yes, and characters are always fun too, you know,
things like that. But then if it's a third person story,
I'm going to lean more into the up close to
the microphone. And then he opened the door and what
he saw he wished never you know, like that kind
of thing.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, I can imagine with a flashlight on your Oh yeah,
that's the goal.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
And with terrifying and true that's most of the cadence
for that, because that's what I mean, I'm reading information
that is creepy. So it's a lot of that nice
slow delivery to make sure you catch everything, and that
I don't stumble over my words. So but it took
me a really long time and I still struggle with it.

(30:23):
The worst is when I have a crazy deadline, which
I had an entire month of crazy deadlines, and this
month is going to be Okay, it's November, but December
is going to be crazy. I don't have account yet,
but it's probably gonna be twenty five shows in December.
We have a ton of Christmas themed everything we have Christmas.
We have a few Christmas theme terrifying and truths I'm

(30:46):
really excited about, including the horrible truth behind a Victorian Christmas,
about how like everything you celebrated Christmas with during the
Victorian era would kill you, Like everything was made of
lead or like DC current flowing through it and was
on top of dry, brittle trees. It's a really, really

(31:06):
fascinating deep dive. Oh I kill oh next week. I'm
actually finishing it up right now. Next week we published
The Dark the Dark Realities of the Pilgrims and the Indians.
And it's not the one you're thinking of. You know,
everybody thinks about everybody. Whenever people want to get they
want to get all high and mighty about Thanksgiving and

(31:26):
the Pilgrims and the Indians. They start talking about the
massive Wars, but that was like sixty years later. That
was not during the actual Pilgrims in Indian Indians time,
but the time period that the Pilgrims were at Plymouth
and they were making peace treaties with the Indians. It
was really really a terrifying time to be alive. The

(31:48):
Wampanoagg people who had made a peace treaty with the Pilgrims,
they had just been through an epidemic and lost nearly
all of their tribe. They were desperate and scared, and
the Pilgrims had lost half of their people from the
first winter when they landed on Plymouth. So it's it's
a really cool, like different lens to look at history.

(32:10):
And that's been also keeping me very excited as reading
these papers, you know, reading these research papers about all
these things I don't know, like I love to learn,
So I love that that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, I you know, you and I've been friends for
well last year we hit twenty years and have always
known you as like a skeptic and a bit of
an almost contrarian.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
And then I listened to.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
These shows that you're doing, and I kind of like, man,
I wish Enrique will break and just make an aside
about some of this stuff.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Like how how has this?

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Like how are you I guess juggling those two things
because you've got you know, you've got the work that
needs to be done, but you've also got your personal
feelings about or opinions, uh going on at the same time.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Well, it's a fine line when a when a program
is presented at is a interpretation of folklore, for instance,
then there's no real need to put a counterpoint because
we already know these are these are tall tales stories
that some people.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
I know that, but yeah, your own inner thing, your
your natural like, uh, I guess do you just you
just tend to it's been a great pleasure as being
your friend over the years. Just hear your your takes
and opinions.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oh sure. Well, and and like where it gets into
tricky territory is like we did the the biggest episode
of Terrifying and True ever, which was the Ed and
Lorraine Warren deep Dive take Down whatever you want to
call it, because that was like almost three hours of
information and we did literally the first half with almost
no skeptical commentary, and then the second half is only

(33:49):
skeptical commentary, Arry tearing down a lot of their their
lies and things like that. I tried to be as
fair as I could because to a lot of people
they did a lot of good and I don't want
to disrespect that, and to a lot of people they're
very heroic. But you know, there's clearly a lot of
questions about like Ed and Lorraine Warren, so I debated

(34:10):
that a lot. It's funny when it comes to like
ghost stories and things like that on terrifying and true
I don't feel the need to be very skeptical anymore
because I feel like it's kind of obvious that you're
hearing a ghost story, so it very well could not
be at all true. It's actually when I'm reading true
crime that sometimes I have to sit as I'm reading

(34:33):
and go, do I make a comment about how stupid
I think the death penalty is, or do I make
a comment about how this how the law they passed
to help with whatever is actually not going to help
at all. Because that stuff I still get. I still
get very frustrated about very easily. Like I, like I said,

(34:54):
try not to go too crazy. But there was one
one story a few years back about a trigger treater
that got shot. They were on the they were on
a porch, they thought they were and they were a
foreign exchange student and they thought they were at a
different house than they were, and they were pounding on
the door and they got shot. And I tried not

(35:14):
to like get too frustrated, but like, it's a terrible
thing that happened. But then the research we did was
like all about all the politicians who had looked into,
you know, all of these background check laws and everything
on guns, and I couldn't help but mention like, as
an aside, none of those laws would have prevented this death,
because this death has nothing to do with any of

(35:36):
those elements of gun ownership. The person legally owned the gun,
was legally in their house, and they demanded the person
go away. But unfortunately, like I said, a foreign exchange
student didn't have a good command of English, so it
was really just a total, you know, tragedy of errors.
But but yeah, so those drive me crazy more than anything.

(35:58):
Sometimes off to sit down and annotate the script and
be like, do I want to put my personal flare
in there because I would never say anything. I don't
stand by sure, but you know, throwing out that stuff,
you know, can be tricky. Now. On the other hand,
Monthly Spooky I skewer ghost claims that UFO claims like

(36:20):
there's no tomorrow. Yeah, Michelle and I both will will
really tear down if it's clear somebody as a charlatan,
we we go frigging hard on them on Monthly Spooky.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Well, I have to say I and I do have
a couple of really important things that I want to
ask about the show itself, but I also don't want
to forget to just mention. I told you that the
melon Heads episode is probably my favorite that has I
had a favorite before that, but this is my new
favorite because I'm telling you, I went through every emotion

(36:57):
while listening to that. I am, I'm I'm also a skeptic,
and I'm also you know, I'm dealing facts and research
just you know, as a career, and so you know,
my first instinct is to laugh at I was thinking
about Lemonhead's the candy Oh yeah, yeah, and and and
not Melonhead, you know what I mean. I was like, oh,

(37:17):
this is like Lemonhead the candy. So I'm laughing at it,
not taking it seriously. But then the more it gets
into the story, I'm like, oh, this is awful. And
then as it gets more and I was like, oh, no,
I know like two people who have hydrosophalic children, and
I was like, oh god, I'm a jerk, but this
is also you know what I mean? So I went
through I went through all these things. While listening to it,

(37:40):
I was like, what just happened. That's the joy of
folklore and urban legends too. I mean like, no, I'm
I'm that makes that makes me happy too, because I
had such a bad experience getting that story written.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
An Ohio story right, Uh yeah, Ohio, Michigan. And there
are also lemon so you got me doing it right,
melon heads stories I think through Pennsylvania and Connecticut as well.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, you mentioned a couple of different cities on there.
But I think what made me want to check that
one out was just because I didn't know about This
wasn't a story I'd ever heard before.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, and that's been really the fun The funnest part
of doing Terrifying and True is finding stories and folklore
because now it's I have a notepad in my phone
and I will be like watching TV or something and
I'll hear, you know, a story about like around the
same time John Wilkes Booth's corpse was being was supposedly

(38:39):
being toured for money and blah blah blah, and I'll
jot down, like John Wilkes Booth Corpse tour, like, you know,
maybe that should be a terrifying and true episode, Like.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, which what bands were opening?

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (38:56):
I I do want to ask though, and I think
a lot of people are curious about this. Can you
make a living as a podcaster? And if so, what
are some of the things that one would definitely have
to do in order to do that?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Whoof I mean that is that is the you know,
the the eighty dollars question. I was gonna say a
million dollar questions. I was like, yeah, not a fat
chances on that one.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I mean, for me, Weekly Spooky has as of this
year has started to pull its weight substantially to the
point where it's about half of my income has become
has become the podcast, and I'm I'm very happy about that.
I'm shocked, but I'm very happy that that's happened. But

(39:38):
as far as you know, podcasting, it's like anything else.
You need to dedicate a certain amount of time knowing
nothing may come back and be okay with that, and
then you need to constantly be obsessing over what is

(39:59):
the audience I'm I'm serving, what is the niche I'm filling?
Who is this for? That's a real big challenge, both
in podcasts and in movies. I can't tell you how
many times someone's asked me like, how do I, you know,
distribute my movie? And I'm like, well, who's it? Four? Right?
And they don't have an answer, and it's like, well,
then you got to come up with an answer. And

(40:20):
then when they do have the answer, I'm like, the
problem is you should have came up with an answer
before you made the movie.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
So it's very similar with podcasts, you know, and there
are a lot of different methods to monetizing podcasts. Like
I'm one of the few podcasters I know that is
mostly supported by ads. Most of the folks I know
who do well in podcasting, it's all Patreon and memberships.
That's where they make their living. But for me, Patreon,

(40:48):
we have a few supporters that I really appreciate and
I'm happy to provide them bonus stories and things like
that to enjoy, but that's a very small portion of
the audience and the support that the show gets. We
mostly are AD supported. So when you're ad supported, you
have a larger but slightly less intense audience, as opposed

(41:11):
to having a small but very intense audience. Who would
all you know support you on Patreon or become a
member and pay you every month or what have you.
So there there are a lot of ways. It's never
been easier and it's never been harder at the same time,
and that's so classic in any kind of show business space.
But it's never been easier to get a good microphone,

(41:33):
to get yourself sounding good, to publish, it's never been easier,
which means it's never been harder to get noticed because
there's so many shows going and going. So yeah, Like, honestly,
a lot of my my planning when I started Weekly
Spooky failed, Like I was like, we're going to we're

(41:55):
going to do cross promotion with you know these podcasts
because I know them, I've been fans of them for
a long time. None of that happened at all. I
didn't I didn't get a single like cross promo podcast
thing at all for like the first two or three
years of Weekly Spooky at least, Wow, So it ended
up being like all about consistency and finding the audience.

(42:19):
And it took a really long time when I when
I sat down and said I'm gonna do Weekly Spooky,
I said I would do one hundred episodes before I
would even consider quitting, right, and no joke. We had
like sixty downloads an episode until like episode ninety three, like,

(42:39):
and then all of a sudden we started having a
lot more listeners, so and that just put the spring
of my step to keep going. So really, the big
thing with a podcast especially is be consistent. If you
say you're gonna do it every week, do it every week.
I have not missed a week ever, only Weekly Spooky. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Sometimes to a destriman, I can. I can, definitely. I
don't think you mind me saying that.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
No, No, it's it's been. It's been incredibly exhausting at
certain times. And I'm I'm just now six years in
starting to really learn how to schedule my time right
and how to get the shows ready in a more
efficient way. Like this October, I was so organized that

(43:23):
that things went well even I mean, like, for as
crazy as that month was, there was only one day
in the entire month that I was recording the next
day's show. Everything else had been I had had like
a buffer. Things were planned way out in advance. And
that's what I'm trying to, you know, get ready with
for for December. So it Yeah, it's it's a lot,

(43:47):
but yeah, I never missed a Wednesday. I did have
one time the show came out like seven hours late
and I had I had COVID, like literally the show
is me with a raspbee boy, Like I did it anyway.
I remember that, and in hindsight, I should have just
taken the day off, But you know, it is what

(44:08):
it is. So yeah, be consistent, feed the audience that
you want to and and then most importantly, pick something
that you believe you can do every week that you
won't hate doing it eventually or get really sick of it.
That's the big one. Like I love scary stories, and

(44:30):
no matter what my mood is, if I can pull
myself into the story i'm reading, i am all in.
I am fully excited. That's how I feel about the
terrifying and truths I love to learn. Sometimes I can
be squeamished, So sometimes the true crime ones will depress
the hell out of me when they're over.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah, the Donner Party one, which was that was recently. Yeah,
I can remember going like, Oh, everybody's for a dinner party.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
I know, do I know?

Speaker 2 (44:57):
That's why I wanted to do it. I was, yeah,
I had that. I was like, oh yeah, I know
about wait do I Right?

Speaker 1 (45:04):
At a point I was just like, oh, man, don't
like it.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
It's it's a it's a harrowing and tragic story, but
but there's also like some incredible heroicism that got those
people out that had survived out of the situation. So
it's and that's the other thing too, is I love
I love diving deep because you get you under things
that you never would have learned from a conversation or
a you know, twelve minute YouTube documentary or or whatever.

(45:34):
That's the other thing is that as time has gone on,
the audience has made it clear that they like long programming.
So we can do an hour about the Donner Party,
we can do an hour scary story. We can do
a two hour cutting deep into horror. We can do
a two and a half hour Monthly Spooky. They seem
to really get a kick out of it.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yeah, and on a long drive that means you don't
have to find something else to listen to and just
you know, hit.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
It and go exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
So, this is the last question I'll have and then
I'll then I'll open it up to whatever whatever I missed,
and you can help me with that part. I wanted
to know if, well, you know, if a producer were
to call, and this could be a producer of movies,
of television or anything, if someone were to just call
it an open purse, what was What's something you would
love to be able to do with Weekly Spooky?

Speaker 3 (46:20):
What would your answer be?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Man, that's tough, yeah, because like I don't know. I mean,
I would love to I would love to have more
intensive production. You know, as it stands right now, when
I do the shows, any music cues or sound effects
you hear, I mean, I'm doing that myself, you know,

(46:44):
I'm sitting down and doing that. And some weeks there
is not as much time as others to do that stuff.
But also some stories I find creepier when it's just
a voice in you. And then some of them I'm like, oh,
but if I lay in, you know, crickets chirping right here,
it might it might really put it over the edge.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
It does.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Sometimes that's the best because then you'll be like, are there, like,
I'm wearing noise canceling headphones? Why am I hearing the
night around them? Oh?

Speaker 3 (47:08):
God, I hate it?

Speaker 1 (47:09):
I mean I love it, but I uh, I gotta
tell you that it's effective.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
But so if we had, if we had, like, you know,
some kind of you know, big budget version of the
weekly spooky podcast, I guess it would really it'd mostly
be in production, and it would be nice to, uh
to have a a set schedule with you know, authors
writing specific things and a little bit less slap dash,
although that could kill the uh, the fun of the show.

(47:36):
So maybe not that one, but I would definitely love
for it to have you know, more production, music cues,
sound effects, things like that that I think that would
be really really cool. Although I do get emails from
people who say that they appreciate the modestness of the
sound effects because they have trouble concentrating.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Oh yeah, no, it's it's just right, man, Enrique. I
was I was thinking of you, going like, oh, if
shutter will partner with me on this Week in Horror
History and let me do like a you know, a
series on their shows are their channel or something like that.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Oh, I mean, well, I mean if you mean like
beyond the realm of podcasting, I mean.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I'm just saying money is no object in this this
uh this hypothetical scenario.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Well, you know me, the only thing I turned down
is my collar on my home. But uh, I mean,
I would love I would love to have more partnership
with with brands. I would love to have something like
a like a show about horror movies or about horror genre,

(48:41):
horror media or whatever on like a shutter or a
screen box or or something like that would be really
really fun. I I can't name the I can't say
the name of the network, but there was a small,
well not small, a large independent TV network that we
were talking very briefly about trying to bring some form
of weekly spooky content to one of their channels. And

(49:04):
I was really excited about it. I was I was
willing to do it for free. As long as I
could promote the brand on the show, I would be happy.
So you know, that's the kind of thing that would
definitely be a lot of fun. Would be just to
to get people excited about horror media in a way
that's not snarky or negative. That's something really important and

(49:28):
I don't want to even crap on the people who do,
you know, be a little snarky or be a little negative.
It's hard to make content all the time that's interesting
and that engages people. Engagement is everything, and unfortunately that makes,
you know, that makes for a very strained society. Sometimes
it feels, yeah that it's like, well, you're not winning

(49:50):
unless somebody's yelling at you. Great.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, that's the mark for things that are gonna you know,
stand the test of time.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, well it tells advertisers they're paying attention, you know.
So sure. It's so when I sit and talk about
a horror movie I love, or a or you know,
horror history and a movie like They Live, Pops Up
or Go Jira, movies that I have a massive soft
spot for, I just want to say, like, I love this.
I'm happy to own that I'm a dork and a

(50:18):
nerd and and that I you know, sit and watch
my four k if they Live and go Wow, you
can really see the details in the faces that's just
who I am. And if you're at all like me,
then you're in the right place. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
No, absolutely, has it affected your ability to watch like
horror just now being so familiar with so many scary
stories and tropes and cliches as it? Or are you
still pretty much feel like that? That's a whole separate
part of your brain.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
You know. I'm thinking about it because I hadn't really
thought about that. I don't think it's affected me much.
I'm a I just love to be scared. I love
to be entertained. I love for a film too. Just
take me somewhere else and show me something interesting. And
you know, my expectations are that I don't need the

(51:08):
wheel reinvented every single day. I don't need, you know,
That's that always fascinate People are like it was fine.
I'm like, dude, fine is awesome. Like, yes, your car
did a fine job of getting you to work today,
you know, and you're very happy with that. Imagine how
mad you are when it doesn't get you to work.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
So I just yeah, I will say that I think
a lot about about the storytelling aspect, as far as
like beat structure and endings. I think a lot about
endings after doing three hundred sum endings on weekend spooky
endings definitely definitely pull me in. But uh, one of

(51:48):
my favorite movies do you ever see Scare Me? Yeah?
Scare Me so good. It's literally a movie of two
people trying to scare each other, telling them the stories
each other stories in a cabin. It's so good.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Yeah, yeah, no, you trust me.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
I'm on letterbox and I all the time think of
making like just the best two handers or even like
single person horror, you know, cause I've there's so many
that I'll cash and I'll go like you know how
it goes.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Man, You just go like, okay, what about this?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
And then suddenly you're like, holy crap, Like I'm almost
angry that I didn't think of it.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah, no, same big, same huge, same All right.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Well that is that's all I had for you. You
and I could make this two hours if we wanted to,
but I wanted to open it up to you in
case there's anything that I didn't touch on that you
want to make sure that people listening to this understand no,
or just just make clear anything else that you'd want

(52:46):
to do with it.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Well, I'll share something related to what you mentioned earlier
when you were talking about getting across more of my personality,
because after doing eighty or so episodes of Weekly Spooky,
I did fall into like a really dark headspace for
a minute of believing it was just not going to
click or be successful, and no joke, one of the

(53:08):
thoughts I had for how to fix the show was
to remove myself as like the host in quotes, you know,
to to just have the stories be the entire thing,
not do the intro, not talk to the audience at all,
just a story and then it's over. And I really
got it in my head for a minute that like

(53:29):
if I wasn't an active part talking to the audience,
that the show would do better, that I was the problem.
Oh my god, I know, you know how it is
to be a creative person, Like sometimes you just you
just think.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
But anyone listening to this is going to be like
you for not doing well.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
And that's the thing, is the what at the at
the heart of it. Weekly Spooky is my love letter
to Tales from the Crypt and Tales from the Dark
Side and Twilight Zone. I love I love the idea, like, ah,
sit down, we have another one for you. Ah, you know,
come here, relax, here's another one for you. I love

(54:08):
that concept. So I got I got goosebumps, like thinking
about all those times that you've returned to your TV
and it was like you'd never left. Here's another, you know,
story for you to to, you know, think about. Alfred
Hitchcock Presents was the other big one for me.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Monsters I loved, and the Friday the thirteenth the series.
I mean, there's are all getting miss Ray Bradbury Theater.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Sure, but you you did the heavy hitters right off
the top.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Oh yeah. And and I mean our theme song is
very inspired by Tales from the Crypt. And I loved
the idea of you know, we open it with you know, hey,
this story is gonna be interesting, you know, like whatever,
you know. I love doing the intros. But after the
after we started to really catch on, I I actually
had the opposite thought. I was like, I wish there

(54:56):
was more of me in the opening and closing. But
I don't want the opening and closing to be so
long that you're like, when is the story starting? Yeah? So,
and there's only so much information can get across in
like two and a half minutes So that was the
birth of Monthly Spooky. This idea that at the end
of the month, if you're so inclined, you could tune
in and it's a talk show with me and my

(55:18):
buddy Michelle, but we talk about the spooky things that
we love. We talk about, you know, weird news stories,
and there's usually some topic will deep dive into together
and react to it together. And I wanted to mention
that because I really proved myself wrong. That ended up

(55:38):
becoming very popular and I got a lot more, for
lack of a better term, intimate with my audience. A
lot more. My audience speaks to me directly now and
they kind of know what I'm about. So I'm really
glad I put myself out there like that. And it's
funny though, because like a year earlier, I was like,
maybe I'm the only problem with this show, and then

(56:01):
the year later, I'm like, I'm going all in on me.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Well, yeah, you were.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
A brand before Weekly Spooky.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
I know.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
You know that, and people absolutely love you. And Michelle
is my favorite person that you play off of out
of this, you know, coming in on two decades of
your podcasting, you know, I love Michelle Michelle. What the
two of you have as personalities just goes together so
so well.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
But I'm yeah, I'm a I made a fan and
a supporter. And thanks for not asking me.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Whether you should take yourself out of the show.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah, I know what you would have said, which would
be reason.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
So I'm just kind of just like that. I'm always
good for that.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
But no, no, And thank you man for sitting down
with me, because honestly, I wanted to give the audience
a little that wanted a little bit of an opportunity
to see like behind the curtain of what what we do,
how the sausage is made a little bit, And you're
the best person I could think of to ask like
questions people would actually want to know the answers to,

(57:03):
because if I sit down, I'll be like, uh.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
No, I mean trust me, That's that's part of what
I do is I'm just driven by curiosity as you are,
and so thank you for choosing me. I'm a badly
a fan, but I'm also just a longtime supporter of
what it is that you do. And I've found all
the different phases interesting, but I'm I'm happy to see
you doing something where it is not only thriving, but

(57:30):
also like is something you're happy to continue to return
to and something that's a core that you've struck with
a large audience.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
I can't tell you how wild and wonderful it has
been and how good it's felt. About halfway through October,
when I was just I was just like tired every
day because I mean to feed the beast. I was
up at eight and done working at eight every day
eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight. It was

(58:00):
just the only way to get everything done. But when
when I would be like out doing something and a friend,
I'd run into somebody I knew and they'd ask things,
I would start telling them about why I was exhausted,
and you know, I wasn't trying to be negative, but
I wasn't being very positive. And I realized about the
third time I was going through that with somebody, I
was like, you know what, I'm just the king of

(58:20):
good problems to have.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
From the most part. Sure, you're not complaining, it's just life.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, it's like I've got to record somebody podcasts because
people will listen to them. Oh, I've got it, like
I So, you know, at the end of the day,
I just I wake up every day and go, hell yeah,
let's get some spooky going. Yeah. Man.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
It's like if you work in a bakery, they're like, man,
you always smell like cake.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Uh jealous.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Yeah, you're welcome.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
I don't know what to say to that.

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