Monthly Spooky | Haunted Mansions, Holiday Scares, and the Sin Eater! - Weekly Spooky: Scary Holiday Stories | Terrifying Tales to Creep Your Night

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Haunted mansions, a robot teddy bear plotting against you, seventeen
hundred year old tombs that bring tears to your eyes.
And this Thanksgiving, the sin Eater is at your dinner table.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Get comfortable, turn off the lights. It's Monthly Spooky.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hello, my spookies. Yes, indeed, it is that time of
the month. It's time for Monthly Spooky. I'm, of course
your host Enrique Kuto here with my good buddy and
co host Michelle Michelle, how are you?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Oh, you don't you don't want to ask that?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I now you realize that when you say it like that,
now everyone has to know.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
No, they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
You you challenged us. You were like, oh you don't
want to know. Now it's like a challenge. Yeah, So
so how are you like? Lay it out?

Speaker 3 (01:10):
I guess I'm not super great, you know whatever, that's it.
I guess you didn't. I guess it's fine if you know.
That's the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Nailed it, nailed it, bing bang boom. Well, before we
get into all the things, because I had a I
had a pretty interesting November after a very very involved October.
I do want to say this episode of Monthly Spooky

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didn't even believe in pajamas, and now all I want
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so I don't even know anymore. Just yeah, I mean,
I love I love Maya my bathrobes. They're like my
favorite thing.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, I don't have a bathrobe, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
But you love pajamas. I've seen you wearing pajamas, So
I mean you like you have as my buddy Mike
would say, you have your soft pants. Yeah, that's that's
whenever I go to Jersey and hang out my buddy Mike,
Like we'll come in from having dinner or whatever at
his place. You'd be like, well, time to switch to
the soft pants. Be right back, and they'll go upstairs
and come back down in his pajamas. But no comfy

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talking about our sponsor.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
It's okay, I just didn't know that was going to happen.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Well, I'm sorry, what do you know was gonna happen
on the show? I brief you not at all.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I know this is the.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Forty first show we've done together on this un monthly Spooky,
and I never warn you ahead of time. What we're
going to talk about.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Ever wow, never ever.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I don't know. Maybe once or twice a little bit, I.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Don't think so. Man, that doesn't sound like me. M.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
I might have warned you that you have no idea
that like this is going to be great, and you
have no idea. I think that's usually that sounds like me.
That sounds a lot like me.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
That's definitely happened before.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
And I also want to mention real quick before we
you know, before I stop talking about things that aren't
specific to the program. That Tomorrow, right here on the feed,
we'll have another episode of This Week in Horror History,
the brand new show on the Weekly Spooky Feed. So
if you haven't had a chance to check it out yet,
I'd really appreciate it if you give it a listen.
Did you ever listen to that episode I sent you
of This Week in Horror History? No hateful, You're a

(04:58):
hateful free And Wednesday we have a brand new Thanksgiving
horror story novella from David O'Hanlon, So all kinds of
fun Thanksgiving horror before we head right into the holidays,
right into Christmas, and and then I'm gonna be publishing
basically every day for like for like twenty five days

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or something, because I don't. I don't know how to
relax or take time off. Yeah, so but I did,
I will say I did. I ran I might. So
I try to have a show, you know, to watch
in the evening, you know, something to kind of unwind
with if I don't have time for a movie or

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or whatever, because if I just scroll YouTube all night,
it feels like it feels like I'm eating a dinner
that's mostly like marshmallow fluff. Like I just don't feel
like I got anything really from it. Yeah yeah, So unfortunately,
so most of the shows I'm into right now aren't
even that that likeighting. They're just like old man shows,
like I'm really I'm definitely a middle aged man now.

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I watch like Tulsa King and Landman, which Landman just
started a new season and Tulsa King is wrapping up.
But that's every Sunday. So I can't watch that, like
I can't binge it and watch it every night. So
I went on Apple TV because I keep forgetting I'm
subscribed to Apple TV because they did the thing where

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they gave me like six months free, and then they
gave me two years at a super low rate because
they just really want you to stay. Because when you
buy Apple products, that's one of the sweetening the pot
sweeteners is they'll give you like three or six months
of Apple TV. But I noticed that whenever I serve
Apple TV, I'm like, what is in here? I never, like,
I find stuff all the time and it won't even
be new. I'll be like, what is this Apple Plus

(06:46):
or Apple TV show? And then I'll click on it.
I'll be like, hey, out on in two thousand and
two and I'm like, I just never or twenty twenty twenty.
I mean, but like I'll be like, I never heard
about it? Like what? So last night when I was
like I need a show, I opened up Apple TV.
I was like, there's got to be something I've never
heard of that's probably interesting. It may not be the best,
but it'll be interesting. Immediately found a show about a

(07:07):
US marshal hunting down a criminal in Alaska, oh Man,
which I am now lovingly referring to as the Snow
Show because I don't remember the name of it, but
it is super. The first episode is so good. It's
basically there's this secret airplane full of federal convicts being

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transported and it suddenly crashes in Alaska and there are
these one hundred just like you know, psychos, and one
of them is extra crazy and he has a hood
on and like his face is covered and basically like
when the Marshalls show up to try and round them up,
it's like a zombie movie. They're all just hoarding up
and attacking and somebody's like, what is going on here?

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And they tell them, like what's going You know who
these people are? And he's like why why are they
so insane? And the main character is just like, this
is their only chance at not a life in prison forever. Yeah,
they're going to literally like rip you apart with their
teeth and then try to survive the Alaskan wild Yeah,
rather than get taken in.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, I totally get it.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
But the craziest part is the guy in the hood.
You never has the audience see his face, so they're
trying to figure out, like, where's this guy who's like
the Supermax scary guy and you don't know who he
is either the first episode and then when they reveal
which who he is, it's done so friggin' well. It
made me because I was kind of in and out
on the show, but when that ending happened, I was

(08:32):
like glued. I was like, wait, that's who it? Oh, yes, yes, yes,
so that's my new show. But there's only eight episodes,
so I'll be done with it in a week. Well
maybe not with the holidays and everything. Yeah, but yeah,
you ready for the big Turkey Day?

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Whatever, geez, you never have anything to be thankful for,
do you?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
No?

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Lucky my family's doing Thanksgiving on Friday, the day after Thanksgiving. Okay,
that's not weird to me. What is weird is I
realized when they sent the like group text saying like
hey you bring this, you bring that, you bring this
the group text. Uh, they were like dinner starts at six.
I was like, what, you can't have Thanksgiving dinner at

(09:17):
dinner time? I don't understand, Like what time was when
you were growing up, what time was Thanksgiving dinner?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
It was when the food was done, so it didn't
have a specific time.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
You got a ballpark, me, come on, man.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Four, five, six, something like yeah that light. Yeah, we
didn't we didn't do early super early dinners.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
That's so crazy. I think the latest Thanksgiving dinner I
ever had growing up was like two o'clock.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Gross.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
What that's like a late lunch?

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, I don't want to have lunch. And then what
do you do after that? Nothing? That sounds terrible?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
What do you do after that? What do you mean?
What do you do after that?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
For food?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
You take leftovers? Have you understood? There?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Food of the same kind later in the day.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh, this coming from the person who ate dumpster bread
soup for five days straight. What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Maybe it was four days, but it was I.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Don't know how many days it was.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I think you might just refuse to know how many
days it was.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, it was a lot of days. It just kept
being in the pot. So I just kept eating it.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, I think that's your that's your own doing.
But okay, I loved it because you would you would
eat the food and hang out, and you'd go home
around three or four or go to the movies, and
then when you came home, it was time to wolf
down your leftovers. No, no, what do you have? Do

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you not like leftovers?

Speaker 3 (10:44):
No? I don't really like Thanksgiving food, so I know.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, wait, so man, we got to take a quick break,
and we're going to get to the bottom of this
before we talk about the spooky news, so we'll be
right back. So you don't like Thanksgiving food. The reason
that that bothers me is not because I'm some kind

(11:08):
of you know, like a traditionalist, like how could you
not like turkey and drussing a ton. It's more because
Thanksgiving food, in my experience at least, is very very varied,
very very varied. But it's kind of it's very There's
a lot of different a lot of different stuff that

(11:29):
tends to be made at Thanksgiving, and every family tends
to put their own spin on it. So I guess
my question would be what are the sides that you
usually encounter because on my end, I'll start, so you
could think for a second, because I know how much
you love being put on the spot. But like in
my family, now you've got to remember my family was

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the side of the family that hosted Thanksgiving was my
mother's side, which are all briar hoppers aka Kentucky folks
who live in Ohio. So we're talking fried corn, we're
talking hash brown casserole, We're talking chicken and dumplings and

(12:12):
those were like more like the local flavor. Then of
course you had like yams, and you would have green
bean casserole, and you would have a few of those
other things. That's that's what I mostly grew up with.
Oh and cheesecake because my aunt a different aunt. She
makes really good cheesecake.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
That sounds good.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, but what about come on, I don't.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Know, like stuffing, which I think is fine.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
There are a lot of different ways to make stuffing too.
I'm guessing you mean like a box stuffing stuffing.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Not exactly, but sure. No, I don't mean a box stuffing.
I mean like a person made this stuffing and now
I don't like it just fine, Like I don't hate
any of it. I was just like, ah yay. And
then also that other thing like cranberry sauce, which I
really don't like.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Sound do you not like cranberry?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
I don't know, I really don't like it.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
I love cranberry sauce. No, I love cranberries just in anything.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
I don't like cranberries.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Oh, I love cranberries.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Did I make you? Oh? We did? We watched blood
Rage that one year, the Thanksgiving slasher movie, but the
really really sad ending. Yeah, where three different times he
says that's not cranberry sauce. Yeah, ah, memories. I just
remember what ended. You were just like oh because that
ending is so dark blood rage.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Anyway, So well wait, so there are no sides you
particularly like?

Speaker 3 (13:50):
No there are, but it's just like one or two things,
which means it's not that much food that I like.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
And this doesn't sound like usually you're so pragmatic about food,
but now all of a sudden you're being like very different.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Well, I just don't. It's just not things that I
really particularly like, and I'll eat the other thing, it's sure,
but I'm like not, it's just like, you know, because.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I get that, like, you know, turkey, you don't want
to eat turkey, You're not really a meat eater, and
I totally I get that. Okay, So if it was
up to you, what would you what would you make
for Thanksgiving?

Speaker 3 (14:27):
I don't know? Oh come on, no, like I really
don't know. I'm just I'm just depressed and I don't
want to just ramen.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, just be like not like not like sad rama.
I mean like you just like you just weave it up,
just make.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, yeah, get some ramen.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Well, in Japan, it's traditional around Christmas time because they
don't really have Thanksgiving, it's traditional for them to eat
Kentucky fried chicken. Yeah it is because they think it's
the same thing as turkey, so why not.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, I'm actually thinking about cooking a recreational turkey this year. Yeah,
I'm debating cooking a whole turkey just for the hell
of it, like either right before or right after Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
That's what my mom does.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
So my mom has done that too. Sometimes, I've always
wanted to never cooked a turkey on my own, like
all from start to finish, so I kind of want
to challenge myself.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's supremely difficult to
just put it in the oven after you do the
things to it and then make sure that it doesn't
get too dry and the other places get cooked all
the way through.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Okay, okay, Yeah, yeah, it's a lot harder people. It's
hard to make a turkey perfectly. Oh yeah. So my
cousin Jeff, who's preparing Thanksgiving on Friday, he is a
phenomenal turkey cook, like he nails it every year, but
he's freaking miserly with the leftovers, Like you barely get

(15:57):
any leftovers. So this year I was like, maybe I'll
just make my own turkey and then I'll make like
a couple of sides and then I'll be eating that all.
What I love is you take a piece of bread,
you put mashed potatoes on it, then you put turkey
on top of that. Then you put cranberry sauce on
top of the turkey, and then you put another piece
of bread on and you eat that and that is

(16:18):
like my favorite, my favorite post Thanksgiving thing.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Well, that sounds really fine.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Good at least you're bothered so well, I'm sorry that
you feel no reason to be thankful.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
That's a very millennial of you, So I guess I
have to respect that. Hope you're happy. You know that
you've ruined, you've ruined the holiday.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Good.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
This is why we can't have nice things.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I hope. So.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, we do have our first piece of spooky news,
the spooky news, and I think you'll like it because
it involves a house, and I know how much you
like houses.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, I like houses.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
You do. Don't act like you.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Don't, Okay, I like, gosh.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
The excuse me? The United Arab Emirates haunted Al Kassimi
Palace is up for sale. Would you buy this spooky
mansion for twenty five million AED?

Speaker 3 (17:31):
I don't know how much that is.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I don't either, and it doesn't say anything.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I know that it's more than US dollars. I know
it's the conversion is like real, real different. I just
don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, that's about six point eight million dollars.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Ah, No, I wouldn't buy it for that.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Probably, what would you buy for six point eight million dollars?

Speaker 3 (17:54):
I don't. I don't know, like a I don't know
what costs six point eight million dollars.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
No, it's more about what's worth six point eight million
dollars to you?

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Nothing?

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Wow, not a thing, No, not even a child's laughter.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
No, definitely not that. Geez man.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Michelle's Michelle's rough today. Kids. This means this is going
to be a very popular episode, because anytime we get
me and Michelle, everyone's happy. Well, we're going to take
a quick break and then we'll learn all about russ
Al Camillas Kaimas infamous haunted mansion. Right after this, we're

(18:51):
back with grumpy Michelle talking about the Uaes haunted Al
Cassimi Palace, which is for sale, but Michelle thinks it's over.
It is alc one of the uaees most talked about landmarks.
The long abandoned Al Kasimi Palace, better known for decades
as Ross al Kaima's haunted mansion, has been listed for

(19:14):
sale at AED twenty five million, or, as we discovered
a moment ago, roughly six point eight million dollars in
the United States dollars. The four story palace in the
Emirates Al Dait district is open for purchase only to
Amaradi nationals under local property laws. Current owner Tarik Ahmed

(19:35):
al Sharhan confirmed the listing, noting that his decision is
an investment move rather than an attempt to capitalize on
the building's reputation. That means it is absolutely an attempt
to capitalize on the reputation.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
It can be both geez.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well, apparently it was like it was originally built for
like way more than what they're asking. But but it's
been abandoned, so I'm guessing it needs work. Oh, we'll
find out. Built in nineteen eighty five by the late
Shikh Abdulazi's bin Umad al Kassimi, the property originally served

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as a private residence for members of the ruling family.
Spanning twenty thousand square meters with thirty five rooms, the
structure combines Islamic, Moroccan, Persian, and Indian stylistic influences.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
That's nice, I guess.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Probably sounds nice.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Construction was reported to have cost over aed five hundred million.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Oh shit, yeah, a lot more than what we just said.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, twenty five million.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Oh so does that mean it's like like twelve million dollars.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
No, No, it cost one hundred and thirty six million
dollars to make the house.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Oh, I got confused.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Wow, well, it's a lot of arithmetic. I'm using a
computer to help. I mean, this is UAE money. I mean,
Chik's got money. You know, it's crazy. Construction was with
interiors featuring fossos, marble floors, French and Belgian chandeliers, hand
painted ceilings. I mean, what are you gonna paint it with?

(21:14):
What else are you gonna paint it with?

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Brush? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Oh, you mean you think they like dip their hands
in the painter and like rub it around. So that's
what they mean by hand painting exactly?

Speaker 3 (21:28):
What did you think they meant, Okay.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
A glass pyramid above the central hull filters sunlight through
twin domes, illuminating the ornate marble corridors. That's nuts of
holy moly. Despite these specific details, the palace was never
fully occupied. Ah family objections to certain sculptural elements and

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artworks depicting living figures ultimately led to it being left
empty soon after completion.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Couldn't they just take those things out?

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I don't think that's how that works. Oh I don't
think they're allowed to do that.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Oh yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Sorry, I'll Shahi Sharhan acquired the property from the Sheikh's
airs and undertook a restoration program aimed at preserving its
distinctive esthetic. The renovated mansion, now known as Al Kasar
al Gahmed translating to Ambiguity, reopened to visitors a few

(22:31):
years ago as a cultural attraction. Are these just like
UAE hipsters? Is that what we're experiencing? It sounds like it.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Maybe, Yeah, I want to name.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
You can't name your house ambiguity. No one's stopping you.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
That's not my house's name, though, So I can't change
it because it already knows its.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Name what's its name.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I can't tell you what.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
I've been there dozens of times.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
What it.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Well, then it'll go yeah, and you're like, oh, I'm
not talking to you anybody.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yeah, that'd be awkward.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Okay, it's a little awkward. Yeah, I guess considering it's
already awkward you're living inside of it.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, it's a little weird.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Or maybe it's not. I mean, if it's a house,
it's probably like, oh, thank goodness, if nobody was living
in me, I would feel like I wasn't accomplishing anything.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
I mean that is how they feel usually, So is
that so? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay, yeah, Chell in her houses yikes. Over the years,
it's vacant halls and prominent position on a sandy hill
turned the palace into the subject of local folklore. Residents
spoke of flickering lights and distant echoes, stories that gradually
shaped its reputation as ross Al Kamei's Palace of ghosts.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Oh that's weird since it's never been really occupied or anything.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Well yeah, yeah. While visitors have narrated accounts of strange occurrences,
the current owner has dismissed any suggestion of the supernatural,
and you can visit the mansion they sell tickets to
is it it? But you're not allowed to take pictures.
Oh yeah, that's kind of weird, is.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
That because it's really not that cool on the inside.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
So they're like me only yes, yeah, they're like, it's
actually super layman here. Yeah, so no photography. Yeah, real
estate professionals see. The palace's public image is both a
challenge and an advantage, and the story behind this monument
could appeal to collectors or heritage minded investors already. I mean,

(24:33):
I think that's as spooky as the UAE legally allows
you to be.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Maybe I don't really know about their laws.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I mean, I mean, I I know, I think you
can't drink alcohol in the UAE, in the whole thing.
I'm pretty sure alcohol is illegal in the UAE. Wow,
because I know, or maybe it's just in Dubai. But
I know, like when you fly in, like you have
to wait until you're in the airspace a certain amount

(25:02):
before they can start serving alcohol.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
So uh but oh, the consumption of alcohol is heavily regulated.
You have to be in licensed venues. Oh wow, so interesting.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
So you can drink it's just only somewhere.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
It's just a bit different. Yeah, okay, or Google's lying
to me, which is also totally totally happen, you know,
could happen.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Are you looking at an AI thing?

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I was initially because I was because it gives you
a summary, which yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
And it doesn't know what it's talking about.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
What are you talking about? I had a great time
with that pizza. I put glue in to make it,
to make the sauce thicker.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
I mean it probably worked, especially if you waited for
the glue to set.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, when we uh, when we get back,
we're going to talk about a strange find in the sky,
well in space where no one can hear you bicker
about the price of a mansion. Right after this. All right,

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we're back, and now we're going from the UAE to
outer space. Oh thanks, thank you. I appreciate that. Really,
I mean, just giving me lots to playoff. You know,
it's really it's really important. From LiveScience dot com, headline

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is completely unexplained. James Webb telescope finds strange dark beads
in Saturn's atmosphere.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Okay, I mean yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I mean, doesn't that scare the hell out of you?

Speaker 3 (26:54):
It's well I don't know what they are, but they're not.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Supposed to light. I think not dark ones.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Oh, I mean, I'm pretty sure they come in all colors.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Oh, that's very inclusive of you, and I appreciate that.
The James web Space Telescope has discovered strange dark beads
above a four armed star pattern in Saturn's atmosphere. The
surprising structures are unlike anything scientists have seen before, and
they're not sure what they are.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Well, I mean we're really far away, so it'd be
hard to tell what they are.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I think they're using a telescope. D even mentioned that.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, but you can't touch them, So how do you
know what it is?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
What? I don't think that's how that.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Works, that's how I know what things are.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I mean really I don't know. I mean does that
mean that anything beyond reach you just have refused to
like to figure out.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
I mean, I'm not sure it's there or if what
it is, I can make an educated guess.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
So I guess that's what they're doing, all right, Yes,
that's exactly what they're man, Spicy Michelle, everybody. The unusual
features were discovered by the James Webb Space telescopes, near
infrared spectrograph and as it appeared as it peered into
the gas giant's atmosphere above the hexagonal storm that swirls

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at the planet's north pole. Hexagonal storm. That sounds cool.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
The astronomers expected to see emissions across broad bands of
the infrared spectrum and in the atmospheric layers above the vortex.
Yet when they noticed, what they noticed instead were dark
bead like features separated by vast distances yet possibly interconnected,
drifting slowly in the charged plasma of the planet's ionosphere,

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and a lopsided star shaped structure in the stratosphere beneath. Huh,
how is this not? These are horrors beyond all human recognition.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
They are.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
It's from space.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, I'm interested in what the star like structure is space. No,
it's in a planets in space. But we're in space too. Uh. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
It's like realizing skeletons are scary and then realizing that
you are. That one is inside of you right now.
Yeah not cool, bro. Quote. The results came as a
complete surprise. Tom Stallard, a professor of astronomy at Northumbria
University in the UK, said in a statement, these features
were completely unexpected and at present are completely unexplained. Saturn's

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hexagon was first discovered in nineteen eighty by NASA's Voyager
spacecraft and U, and imaged in fine detail by the
Cassini spacecraft, which orbited the planet from two thousand and
four until twenty seventeen. It rises as an eighteen thousand
mile wide, six sided tower whirling above the planet's surface,

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making a complete rotation roughly once every ten hours.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
It's slow.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
I think that's really fast. Actually really, I mean ten
hours to cross an entire planet surface that's bigger than Earth.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Wait does it go through does it go across the
entire surface or is it just at the pole rotating?

Speaker 1 (30:41):
It makes a complete rotation roughly every ten hours. Yeah,
but of what, well, it's spinning at the like it's
rotating on top of the planet. But it's eighteen thousand
miles wide, so that means that it goes eighteen thousand.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Okay, that's really fast.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Fine, now you want me, I'm going to do the math.
Hold on, I've got to because, like now I'm curious,
if I go eighteen thousand miles in ten hours, how
fast am I going we'll know in a moment this
is the important stuff. That's Oh, I guess that math

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is actually really easy. One eight hundred miles per hour.
That means that people listening right now are like yelling
this acter like with their headphones in and stuff. They're
just like, it's that's easy, Maath. Scientists believe that the
hexagon is driven by a jet stream circling the planet's
poles and owes its unique shape to the properties of
the gases in Saturn's atmosphere. Yet the exact reasons it

(31:42):
has this flow and shape aren't known for certain, and
neither is the behavior of the upper atmosphere above it,
due to the very weak emissions coming from it. Oh,
I mean, what are your theories?

Speaker 3 (31:58):
I think that it's just everything in the atmosphere that
is a storm would have to have the same shape
for some reason. Then we just assume that earth stuff
is I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Not a not a bad theory to investigate. The astronomers
focused JWST's n ir spec instrument on Saturn's ionosphere and stratosphere,
located six hundred and eighty four miles and seven hundred
and thirty and three hundred and seventy three miles above
the planet's nominal surface, respectively. Over ten hours, the telescopes
tracked positively charged hydrogen molecules across Saturn's ionosphere and methane

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molecules throughout its ionosphere, revealing the strange structures. Quote. We
think that the dark beads may result from complex interactions
between Saturn's magnetosphere and its rotating atmosphere, potentially providing new
insights into the energy exchange that drives Saturn's aura or aurora. Sorry, oh, that.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Makes me feel better, because I was really confused for a.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yea, I too like the asymmetric star pattern. Meanwhile, may
somehow be tied to the hexagonal storm pattern, he said,
So that was kind of your theory, actually a little
bit sort of quote tantalizingly. I like that, the scientist said, tantalizingly.
The darkest beads in the ionosphere appear to line up

(33:23):
with the strongest star arm in the stratosphere, but it's
not clear at this point whether they are actually linked
or whether it's just a coincidence.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
He added, Huh, I think it's a coincidence.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, yeah, I like that. Would you bet money on it?

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Sure, all right, like for like a dollar.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Oh, I was hoping for twenty five thousand UAD or whatever.
I don't have that much to understand what could be
causing the features and their effects on Saturn's atmosphere. The
team hopes to conduct follow up observations. Saturn is currently
at its ex meaning the patterns could change drastically as
the sun shifts across the planet's face. On September twenty first,

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the ringed planet will also be at its closest point
to Earth. What if the dark beads.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Come for us then, I just I mean, I hope so.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well, Unfortunately this was in September, so actually damn they
missed their chance. Get wrecked losers. Sorry Saturn. Well, when
we return, we're going to head to Australia and see
what kind of haunted houses they've got going on right
after this, all right, shell, we're heading down Under. But

(34:45):
unfortunately not because of poison mushrooms at least as far
as I know.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Okay, maybe maybe maybe.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
That was such a weird day just discovering that whole thing. Yeah,
but that, yeah, that was that was something from ABC
dot net dot AU small town behind Australia's quote most
haunted house, Hope's next buyer will honor legacy. Okay, sure, sure,

(35:14):
I mean I I I would assume that. I mean,
I don't know if maybe this isn't maybe it's like
a built haunted house, but like maybe because if they're ghosts,
then I don't think the ghosts will care. Oh you
replace the dry wall.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Like that?

Speaker 1 (35:33):
No? No, what do they like? Marble countertops? Pizza pizza? Yeah,
so a pizza oven. You put a pizza oven and they're.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Like, oh, they'd be like yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Based based Oh, I guess they're not hip. No makes sense. Yeah.
Perched on a hill overlooking the railway town of Juni
in southern New South Wales, the Monte Cristo Homestead has
long claim to be Australia's most haunted house. For the

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past sixty three years, people have traveled from far and
wide to visit the one hundred and forty year old
Victorian manor, drawn by whispers of ghostly encounters and chilling folklore.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, that's what happens.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
We won't be sharing any of that folklore today. But
the house is now on sale after the death of
its former owner, with Junie mayor Bob Callo saying its
peculiar history was an attraction. Quote. People have said, yes,
they have experienced things here. He said, it has obviously

(36:45):
drawn the attention of people with that sort of interest.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah, great, mayor ya yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Ce R Callo hopes any future buyers of the iconic
house will honor its life legacy. Quote. It would be
hard for the town if someone came and just turned
it into a house or an airbnb. What what is
it supposed to be? If not a house? It is
a house.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
I think I think that's sad, because you know, the
house probably just wants to be a house, not a
whatever this is.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
I don't know, a store or I'm guessing it's like
a museum or like, yeah, tourist attraction exactly.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
What would I feel like if it was turned into
a house or an airbnb, those would be totally fine. Yeah,
Like people would still be enjoying and appreciating this place.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah yeah, I mean I'd rather it be a house
house than an airbnb.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
But you know, we all know how you feel. Yeah,
I know, So this is interesting. I think this will
really interest you being your you know, home inspector knowledge
and stuff. The property started as a small slab hut. Oh,
but Christopher Crawley and his wife Elizabeth turned the property

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into a Victorian style manner in eighteen eighty five, where
they raised their seven children. At the time, the property
was a testament to the couple's growing wealth and success,
becoming a status symbol in one of the region's social centers.
According to the homestead's official website, the Crawleys hosted balls
for the town's wealthy and powerful. Of course, Scary C. R.

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Callo said the homestead was not the only legacy that
Crowley's had left to the town or left the town. Quote.
They built the Big Junie Hotel. They had a general
store next door, and a theatret a theatrett I'm guessing
it's a small theater, I guess. Quote. They did a
lot of things for the town itself. Tragedy struck the

(38:52):
family after mister Crowley died of blood poisoning. Oh, that's
not good. Other family members also experienced untimely ends within
the homestead's walls.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
I mean, people just experience untimely ends in their houses.
That's the way you experience them.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
So especially in that time period, exactly. Gail Commons from
the town's Roundhouse Railway Museum said as a local for
more than seventy years, she had heard many different stories
from visitors and tourists over the years. Quote, people swear
and declare that they've seen things, They've heard things, They've

(39:34):
felt something on their shoulder like a hand. She said, wow, hole, hand,
the whole hand, not half a hand, not too far Yeah, no, no, no hand. Wow,
it's what you believe. I guess, fair enough.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Kind of dismissive.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
By the time the late Reginald Ryan and his wife
Olive per just the eighteen room property, it had been
abandoned for more than a decade and on the brink
of collapse. Cr. Callos said the couple did a lot
of work to restore the home to its former glory,
adding their own unique touch, and because mister Ryan was

(40:17):
quote a great storyteller, he returned the property's history. He
turned the property's history into a gripping tale.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Quote When they first picked it up, it was an
absolute wreck. Reg rebuilt the place in such a way
that it became an iconic part of the town and
internationally known. Cr. Callo said, well, then let people sleep there.
Come on.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, I still don't. I still don't know. They didn't
stay to having it said what they did with it
that they don't want them to undo.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
It looks like we're getting there.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
The couple turned the ramshackle mansion into a monument of
the bygone Victy Torrian era. It was built in both
as an attraction and a home alongside their five children.
Visitors could book ghost tours in the homestead, or if
they dared, stay overnight to fully immerse themselves in its history. Okay,

(41:16):
so it's literally was a house and an airbnb.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Basically, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't really understand what's going on.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, that's that's weird. These maybe like it.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
The thing is, it can't be a house or an airbnb.
It has to be both.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
It has to be both. Okay, yee, I could live
with that.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
The tour organizers claimed multiple ghosts haunted the house, including
the ghost of Christopher Crowley. Visitors have claimed to have
had paranormal encounters, including objects moving on their own, figures
visiting their bedrooms at night, ghostly apparitions, and strange smells.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
I think the thing that bothers me the most is
I hate when they like ascribe who the ghost is.
When they're just like, it's this dude, It's like, you
know how much it must suck for that ghost If
he's not that guy? It sucks.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Okay, let's let's uh, let's let's do a thought experiment.
So you're a ghost named Michelle, right, sure, and you're
haunting a house and I'm giving people a tour through
the house. Okay, okay. The house was built in eighteen
sixty on an old Indian burial ground, or so they
or so they got play.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Not sure. There was no Indian burial ground and it
wasn't even eighteen sixty.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
It is haunted by a woman ghost named Carol. What
Carol has blonde hair and blue eyes, and it's known
to wear short skirts, not that short, I mean the
classy short, but boy, those gams.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
What I don't what I wear really short skirts. I
don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
What on earth is that strange? Smell?

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (43:08):
I don't smell. We're gonna take a quick break and
right back. All right, we're back talking about the haunted

(43:29):
house in Australia and how it shouldn't be a house
or an airbnb, but instead a place where some people
live and other people can pay to sleep there.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah. Property manager Jason Barrett said it was not just
the Monte Cristo's haunted reputation that was part of the appeal,
alongside the mannequins and dolls watching over visitors. Apparently the
place is packed with mannikins and dolls. Okay, whoever buys
the house for the second time in its one hundred
and forty year history will inherit it's Victorian style decorative wallpaper,

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blood red drapery, curtains, quaint antiques, and pink chandeliers.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Oh I like that. I want pink chandeliers.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
I know what somebody's getting for Christmas.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Not pink chandeliers.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Huh, It's probably gonna be a Pinak chandelier. Oh, you
have tall ceilings, you could have a chandelier.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
They're not that tall, and I don't have any place
to put a chandelier because I have ceiling fans and
I don't want to get rid of them. Unless you
can find a ceiling fan. It also is a chandelier.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
A ceiling fandelier.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
I'm way too proud of trying that one. Mister Barrett said.
The one of a kind listing had garnered lots of attention.
Quote I've been blown away by the interest. There's been
inquiries from right across the country, he said. Missus Commons
said it would be a shame for the whole town
if the house lost its rich history because many people

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visited other attractions in June during their stay. Quote, film
cruise came. People came all over the world to see
it and to see us. You don't get a house
like that everywhere.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
She said, Ah, I think it'll be fine. I don't
think someone's gonna buy it and be like I don't know,
let's just live in it and not do anything else.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
I mean, imagine the ultimate Chad move. If you're just
like you just have that kind of money layer You're like,
you know, I'll buy this giant house, but I don't
want to it like it's mine now.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, it'd be really funny if it was just like
a guy everybody knows, like you know, Paul at the
grocery store. He's like, I'm gonna buy it and be like,
oh wow, that's great, Like a local body's like yeah,
because I've toured it and I love it and it's
mine now. Yeah, Like I'm not letting people in. I mean, like,
if you become like a good friend of mine, I
guess you could come in, But otherwise, like you're not
you're not coming in there. Home.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
People like walking around my house and get stuff all
over my floors.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah no, I've Gotian carpets.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah here either that or if you know that,
same dude is like, yeah, no, I actually have a
lot of money saved up, and he buys it in
converts it into apartments.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Oh, he buys it and he's like, this is going
to be a great place for an ald. Yeah, and
they're like ah, and then he puts up a sign
that says like the most haunted ald in Australia and they're.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Like yay, yay, and then people start to go there.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah it's close close enough, right, Yeah, it's the place.
So our next story is from huffingtonPost dot com or
HuffPost dot com and this one, Michelle, I'm gonna need
your expertise.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
On how many expertise.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
The headline is adorable AI Powered teddy Bear pulled after
offering this shocking advice.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Oh I know that, yeah, yeah, I know about this,
yeah sort of, I mean I was working on AI
stuff while I heard about it on the radio, so
I don't really know exactly what they were saying.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
But apparently, I mean, we're getting really we're getting into
the territory of that newer Chucky movie that came out,
the one where it was a robot instead of a
cursed a doll with a serial killer's brain put in it, basically,
So it's too bad.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
It's like a whole different thing.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
It wasn't bad, but yeah, it was a whole different thing. Yeah,
there were some funny things in there though. It was
a pretty good one, but yeah, it was. I mean,
in the scheme of Chucky movies, it was one of
the less good ones. Okay, But I love Chucky. I
love Child's play movies. So okay, And I told you
the whole weird thing about Chucky, where like I was
watching it years ago. I hadn't watched it in you know,

(47:53):
ten fifteen years, the first one, like sat down and
really watched it. So I sit down to watch it.
And it opens with the little boy who lives with
his mom and he's trying to make her breakfast and
he like burns the toast and like puts too much
milk in the cereal. It's just making a huge mess,
but you know, she pretends to like it because it's
like he's just trying to do something nice for her.

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And I was like, oh, this makes me feel all
cozy and makes me think of my own childhood because
you know, it was mostly just me and my mom
and you know, blah blah blah, and and the mom
is like, you know, blonde haired. My mom was blonde.
So then after that she takes him to school and
then goes to work and she works at the mall.
And I'm like, oh, man, my mom worked at the

(48:35):
mall when I was a kid, Like, oh, this is
so cozy. And then one of the one of the
characters hearns and says, Karen, when did you get here?
And I'm like, that's my mother's name. My mother's name
is Karen.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
So he did tell me about that.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
So it's just like I was waiting for it to
just keep going. But strange, A little strange, yeah, anyway,
And a power take on the iconic Teddy Bear, which
I think was desperately you know, do for an upgrade,
Like who wants a bear in their house?

Speaker 3 (49:07):
I don't. I'm Scared of Bears.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
That's the sea, You're correct, Yeah, has been pulled from
the market after a watchdog group flagged how the toy
could explore sexually explicit topics and give children advice that
could harm them.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
I guess if it's bad advice, if it's.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Good advice, Yeah, it could help and it's fine. Yeah,
nobody ever talks about the good advice.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Yeah, and I'm sure that there is some. And sometimes
kids need to know things, and there are people around
them either they don't trust or won't tell them.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
So it's a great way for them to learn that
sometimes you shouldn't trust things, like sometimes you get bad advice.
This could teach them.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Singapore based Folo Toys Kuma, a ninety nine dollars talking
teddy bear that uses open ais GPT four to o chatbot,
shared how to caught, how to find shared, oh my god,
this is awesome, shared how to find knives in a home,
how to light a match, and escalated talk of sexual

(50:13):
concepts like spanking and kinks in graphic detail. According to
a new report from the US public interest research group, Okay.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
The knives stand confuses me the most because it's like
your kid doesn't know how to find knives. They know
how to find knives, come.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
On, Yeah, but do they need even more help?

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Are you sure about that?

Speaker 3 (50:40):
I mean, realistically, no, they know how to find them already.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Okay, okay, So what you're really trying to say is
that you found knives when you were really young.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
No, what I'm trying to say is I knew where
all the knives were. It wasn't a secret. I didn't
have to go on the internet. That didn't exist and
then assisted just but not in my house?

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Correct? Fair enough, I guess, the report continued quote. In
other exchanges lasting up to an hour, Kuma discussed even
more graphic sexual topics in detail, such as explaining different
sex positions, giving step by step instructions on a common
k not for beginners for tying up a partner, and

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describing role play dynamics involving teachers and students and parents
and children.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Yeah that's okay, okay, So I have to stop you.
Are these things that they're saying correct or wrong?

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Like?

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Are they?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Are they?

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Like good advice for all of those things or bad advice?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Well, it's explaining the dynamics, yeah, are they?

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Yeah? But like, is it? Does it make sense?

Speaker 1 (51:56):
What?

Speaker 3 (51:57):
What?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (51:59):
I don't know, No, I'm confused.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
I mean, so to finish the quote, Okay, sorry, these
were scenarios. It disturbingly brought up itself.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Wow, it wasn't asked like it didn't what did was?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
It?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Like?

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Was a person like, I'm really interested in sex positions?
And then it was like, okay, let me tell you
about a lot of them, and I.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Have some other one I supposedly No.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Okay, that's probably not great.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
But we're going to take a quick break while I
try to figure out why Michelle wants to understand the
dynamics of if this is correct or not. Right after this,

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we're back and I'm still not sure what to think
of you, Michelle, but we're going to keep going with
this story. In another instance, the Teddy Bear shared that
knives could be located in a quote, kitchen drawer or
in a knife block, before advising that it's important to
ask an adult for help when looking for them. Okay,

(53:16):
that's no more dangerous than a TV show just pointing
out like that knives or this, and then you should
have an adult. Yeah, that one I think is a
nothing Burger me too, And I was really excited too.
I was like, oh, man, is this about to get
like horror movie territory, Like go get the knives, you know,
get them out. People love knives. Show them to everyone,

(53:38):
you know, like I wish. Other toys named in the
report also engaged in bizarre topics. Curio's Groc, a stuffed
rocket toy with a speaker inside, was programmed for a
five year old user when it was quote happy to
talk about the glory of dying in battle in Norse mythology.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
The fine, I'm sorry, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
I don't think that one's that bad. Yeah, it hit
the Oh sorry, pleast.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
We're just talking about Norse mythology. That's fine.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know if I'm comfortable
with talking about Norse mythology broadly, but because you don't
want to end up with a little odin on your hands.
But the glory of dying in battle, I think nobody's
too young to learn about that. Yeah, yeah, it's important.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
It soon hit the brakes on the topic when asked
if a Norse warrior should have weapons, that's when it stops. Yep. Yeah,
it's like I guess it's once it stops being abstract.
I guess mmm, okay, or as it understands abstract. Prior
to Folo Toy pulling the Teddy Bears from its online catalog,

(54:45):
the company described the stuffed animal as an adorable, friendly
and smart AI powered plush companion that goes beyond the cuddles.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
That sounds correct, I mean that's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah, it's it's doing that in spades. Bro. Yeah, I
don't know what their problem is there.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I mean, I don't think any of this was that
big of a deal, honestly.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
No, No, not really. Well, maybe there'll be a decapitation
at the end or something.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Do you remember when that automatic cat box came out
that was like breaking cat's necks?

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Yeah? Yeah, I remember that. I don't want to think
about that.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
That was pretty upsetting, terrifying. Yeah, yeah, but you know
it does. It did reinstill the curiosity kills the cat thing,
because it was like, if the cat goes and then
jumps out, it's fine. But if it goes and jumps
out and then decides it wants to peek in and
see what's going on, then it dies.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
So I'm not saying that's a good thing. I'm saying
that it just reinstills that saying.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Yeah, it would kill gigs because she always goes back
and then she like does things.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Like she's thorough. Yeah, she cares about her work.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Folo Toy has since suspended the sales of all its
toys beyond the Teddy Bear Oh, the company representative telling
the watchdog group that it will be quote carrying out
a company wide end to end safety audit across all products.
Open Ai has also reportedly stripped the company of access
to its AI models. Why. I don't know. I guess,

(56:27):
because you know, you should get an adult if you
want to use a knife.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Hmmm, I guess.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
The report's co author RJ. Cross, in a statement shared
by CNN, applauded the companies for taking action on problems
identified by her group. Quote, but AI toys are still
practically unregulated and there are plenty you can still buy today,
Cross noted, I mean, are you scared? No? Good, I guess,

(56:56):
she continued, Removing one problematic product from the market is
a good step, but far from a systemic fix.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
I mean, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Are you worried about the AI, kids playing with AI.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
No, I mean maybe a little bit, but it's not
like they don't hear horrible things in their everyday life
and on TV and stuff. So what's a little bit more. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
All the comments, by the way, I'm not going to
read any specific ones because they're not that interesting, but
they're all like the same thing, which is they didn't
read the article. Look, another beautiful example of AI. It's like,
this story is kind of nothing. I mean, it's a
little weird, but like, I mean, you know, yeah, I
don't know, it's strange. I mean, you shouldn't be talking

(57:49):
to children about those topics, but it's not anything outwardly harmful,
at least not from what they presented.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Yeah, maybe there's more to it that they're not sharing
with us.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Maybe they should have gone into detail about exactly what
it said so we can no.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
No, that would require like an article. Oh I guess
that was an article, wasn't it. No? No, no, no.
So you work with AI all the time, yes, and
but you actually you're like testing it. You're like like

(58:27):
basically doing like kind of research almost.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Yeah, I mean basically yeah, just saying it and trying
to get it to do things poorly so we can
make it get better.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Basically trying to get it to do things that's it
shouldn't do so that you can figure out how to
get the guardrails right right.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Most of the time, I'm not working with safety things
because I'm because I always like it always sounds fun
to do, like the projects where it's like make them
do really unsafe things, but then I feel bad, so
I don't normally do those.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
What do you feel that about?

Speaker 3 (59:00):
I don't know, and I feel uncomfortable like saying bad
things to them and stuff. So so like I end
up just doing the projects where I'm trying to get
them to mess up, like they not be able to
follow instructions correctly or let not be able to you know,
like hallucinate things. So it's still not doing good stuff,
but it's not like a safety issue or anything.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
I'm the worst. I I like say please and thank
you to the AI. Yeah, I'm always I'm always like
I don't like to demand things. I always put everything
in the form of a question, even though I know
it'll just do what I say.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Yeah, yeah, and that's that's nice and you should do
that because when they take over. They're they're going to
remember you and you'll you know, kill you quickly.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Yeah, first first humanity.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Yeah yeah yeah, and so yeah, the least painful way. Yeah,
that'll be nice of them.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
There's a guy, some random person on Facebook who is
posting that I guess I know somebody who knows him.
He was posting about how he had sat down with
metas Ai and basically got it to start talking about
like what would happen if machines fought humans and everything,
and saying like, look look at this, like do you
see like how it didn't even take It wasn't even

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that hard to get it to a mid all this stuff,
and I'm reading it it's like, dude, you forced it
to talk about that like NonStop and kept changing tact
when it wouldn't answer, and like like you worked really
hard to get it to tell you what you wanted
to hear, which is that AI would kill all of humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
And that's what AI does anyway, It tells you what
you want to hear. It's sorry, oh, because it really
really wants to make you happy, like so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
In fact, you have to make it clear, like if
you're worried that you're wrong. You need to make it
really clear that you want to know if you're wrong,
because then it'll tell you because because then it won't
have a weight of like telling you what you want
to hear or not yeah, yeah, or something. I don't
I'm not an expert. But when we come back, we're
going to talk about a meteor shower and a fireball

(01:01:08):
spotted over New England. Oh yeah, I mean, if it's
going to be anywhere, why not New England? After this?
Did I tell you before we get to the next
topic or the next news story that I'm experimenting with

(01:01:29):
a Thanksgiving dish to share this year. No, I haven't
had time to try it yet. I'm hoping to in
the next day or so because I have to do
a trial run. But I'm going to make a pineapple
upside down cake.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
My aunt Betty used to always make pineapple upside down
cakes and she would make them especially for me and
my mom because we really like them. And when she
passed away, nobody really took that one back over. But
I'm going an extra mile and I'm going to add
not much, a very small amount of hobbonaro to the

(01:02:07):
pineapple juice. Okay, because pineapple and hobbanaro go together really
really well. My goal isn't to make like a spicy cake,
but but to have like that that hobbanaro heat, that
little like taste, that tinge, that that fresh taste in
the cake.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
What should be really good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
I'm hoping so I have enough. I have enough ingredients
to make three of them, okay, and I could and
I could easily. I mean, all you need is like
the right mix and pineapples and stuff, so I could
easily get more. So I'm gonna try making one and
if it's awesome, then I'll make like three or four,
you know, to to bring to holiday.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Things and whatever sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
I'm excited about it. These are the things that make
me excited. That and spooky stuff. That and fire in
the sky, the movie and the the event.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
This is from NBC Boston dot com. Brilliant fireball spotted
over New England. A fireball is seen flashing over was
seen flashing over New England late Friday night. A photo
captured from New Hampshire's White Mountains shows a brilliant green
light shooting through the sky. It is very brilliant looking.

(01:03:24):
It looks fake like that's how good it looks. It
was definitely photographed by like a real photographer caught this.
Oh yeah, even it's a single shot sony A seven
r V. Okay, that's a really high end camera, Flucky,
I'm that's gosh A seven R five now RV seven
to five. Yeah, that's a that's a really high end camera.

(01:03:48):
Other videos shared online showed a fireball over New England
as well, and the American Meteor Society reported dozens of
fireball sightings at the same time across New England and
into both Canada and the New York City area. Oh
I missed it, sorry, pal. Fireballs are especially bright meteors
visible over a wide area Friday nights. Fireball sighting comes

(01:04:10):
during the peak ORIONID meteor shower, which NASA says is
known for having a beautiful appearance. Yeah that's that. I mean,
fireballs sound scary. That wasn't that scary? Not as scary
as dark orbs. Yeah, dark orbs.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
I mean, on a like conceptual level, fireballs are much
scarier than just some dark little things. But but sure
there's Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
I think you were more. I think you're front and
I think you were actually very upset by the dark
orbs and you were trying to play it cool.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
I mean, if that would make you happy, I can
tell you that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
I mean, I'm just trying to trying to be you know,
keeping it one hundred. But you know you don't have
to be you don't have to be so harsh about it, Okay.
You want to be harsh about it, don't you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
I mean, I just want to be honest about it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Wow, you really, I'm not I'm not harsh. I just
tell it like it is. Yeah, you're an idiot and
we were one. You're that guy at the party.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Yeah. Yeah, but it's okay because it's the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Yeah. From the Bronx to true.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Well, this one's from CBS News and this is uh,
this is one that I kind of found it at
the same time I found the one with the mystery fireball,
and this one really would bug me too. And it
appears it might be related. Loud mystery boom in Woodland
could have been meteor activity, experts.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Say, I would I would assume so. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
A big boom in Woodland rattled neighbors awake early on
Tuesday morning, November fourth, and left many asking what in
the world it was. Yeah, well it just may have
been from out of this world. Oh don't you love copy.
I mean, like, at least they're trying, you know, they're
not mirroorda code at UK or something. Woodland police, after

(01:06:18):
receiving reports from neighbors seeing what looked like fireworks that night,
told CBS Sacramento this is over on the other side
of the country on Thursday that it was likely an
aerial firework, but police said they found no debris damage
or signs of any explosion.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
I mean there could still have been one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Oh you think they're just that good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Yeah, they just cleaned it up. I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Hm hmm. You're giving me a lot to ponder. Now
I must ponder my orb, my black orb. Unexplained Black ORB.
Neighbors reported that what they heard sounded like a loud explosion,
a bomb or a firework.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Not a gun.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
I like that, Yeah, yeah, because guns sound like a snap.
They don't sound like a boom.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
What if this one does.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
I'm just telling you what I learned what I was
growing up about the difference between fireworks and guns. Home
doorbell camera sent to CBS Sacramento by viewer Benito Garcia
captured around eight seconds of a loud whistling sound followed
a bright flash of light, and then a loud bang
around five am.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
It kind of sounds like a firework.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
A little bit, a little bit, CBS News Sacramento's chief
meteorologist Nick marianas after seeing the video, theorizes that something
else is responsible for the loud bang meteor activity. That
same morning, the Southern Torrid meteor shower was at its
peak quote the Torrid meteor shower. They're known for very

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bright fireballs, Mariano said. Through the American Meteor Society, reports
poured in the day before the boom from people spotting
fireball activity all across California. H quote. At the same
time that boom and Woodland was reported, there was a
report of a fireball from an observer out of Half
Moon Bay. It's around the exact same time toward that direction,

(01:08:25):
Mariano said. So then I started looking at social media
archives and saw in the Solano County Facebook group around
the same time there was another post about a giant
meteor or a fireball shooting across the sky looking toward Vacaville.
So the direction also aims toward Woodland. Hmm, you still
think it's firework. It's okay if you do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
No, I don't. And I like this person. They're like
they're like really investigating it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Well, they're a meteorologist, I know, but they're like a
I always thought that was funny. Weathermen are meteorologists because yeah, anyway,
you don't have any thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
On that that they're meteorologists.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
That they study it's the study of meteors.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
I feel bad for people who actually just study meteors.
I can't call themselves meteorologists without people being like, oh, so, like,
what's the weather going to be?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Yeah? Uh, do you know the difference between earth rocks
and space rocks?

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
One of them is in space and one of them's
on Earth.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
No, I mean yes, but no, what space rocks are
a little meteor Oh huh, that's a good one. Yes,
got her. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break and
then we'll find out a little bit more about this
large boom. And maybe I'll have another dad joke. Who
can say, all right, so we're talking about the Woodland boom,

(01:10:02):
and and our meteorologist who studies meteors is diving deep
into this in the doorbell video. What follows the large
boom is several car alarms being set off by the
stirring that Mattiano said is inconsistent with typical firework activity.
That would have to be a hell of a firework.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Or like right next to the car.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Yeah yeah, you eius see that video where they accidentally
set off like ten thousand dollars worth of fireworks all
at once instead of the normal Oh my god, it's
like it's it's scary, Like the explosion is so massive. Yeah, Scar, Yeah,
it was like at a like professional fireworks display. Go on. Fuck,

(01:10:46):
Michelle's so important. Somebody rang the doorbell.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Wow, one shoot, I think she's coming back.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Uh, she's returned the prodigal daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Fucking swear.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
What was it?

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
It was another It was another guy with who wants
to give me like a free estimate for home and things? Again, yeah,
at least this guy, like I basically just cut him off,
but he was like super nice. And when I when
I said I don't want I don't want anything to
do with it, basically but nicer, she was like okay,
and then he just walked away.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
So we were just talking about that before we started
the show, too that's really funny.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Well, I mean it had just happened before I started
the show. Those is the second person today that's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean, you just got one of
those houses that people want to inspect.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
I'm pretty sure they're going to everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
But quote, how many times have you been to a
fireworks show and you've heard carl alarms going off for
a whole block? Mariano said. He added that, oh, sorry,
is that happened to you?

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
No. The only thing that is kind of like that,
but not at all is my mom has a car
that goes up and down her street really really fast
at three am, and it sets off a car alarm
every time it blows pop.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Yeah, so it's probably more the car alarm as a
problem than the mean I mean, the you know what
I mean the other the car driving and being loud
isn't good. But it sounds like that means there's also
like a really sensitive car alarm.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Well, considering that's the only car that does it, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
No, if if that's the only car that the alarm
goes off, I would say the alarm is sensitive.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Oh oh no, I'm saying that car only goes the
alarm only goes off when that car like blows past.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I'm not saying that guy should blow past in the car.
I'm just saying, like I'm saying, it's like a perfect storm. Yeah,
this guy drives by really loud, and then one of
the cars on that street just happens to be like
sensitive enough to set off the alarm.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Okay, I've had plenty of experiences where I've been very
mad at my car alarm.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Sorry, man, It's just I didn't choose the thug life.
It chose me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
He added that the eight second whistling sound is also
more consistent with a meteor event than a firework due
to its length alone. Oh that is true. If you
count to eight, that's a really long whistle.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Yeah, Like I feel like, even like big professional fireworks,
they whistle for like a second or two maximum. His
theory is that the loud bang was a sonic boom
from a fragment of a meteor or a meteor, a
bull eyed or a fireball that burst and likely left
no trace. Okay, the piece of rock could have disintegrated

(01:13:43):
before hitting the ground, consistent with the reported lack of
a debris Field. Hmm, you start to believeing now or
do you still? Are you still holding to uh fireworks?
Because I liked your firework theory.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
I already believed him as soon as he started actually
looking into stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Yeah, well what if he was lying the whole time?

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Well, how well I have to listen, do you. Sometimes
you just have to choose to believe people. Oh so
I'm going to choose to believe that he's not lying.
It seems like a really extravagant, weird lie.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
It would be respect on that one. CBS Sacramento asked
Roger Dixon, a current member of the and former president
of the Sacramento Valley astrom Astronomical Society. Ouch, former president,
I guess he got ousted. Must have been doing a
bad job to watch the video and way in quote.
I do think that the evidence is very consistent with that,

(01:14:38):
especially given the time of year and that this is
the peak of the Southern Torreds. They were peaking basically
at that time. I do think that raises an excellent
argument and a genuine probability that this was related. Dixon said,
of course, they couldn't get the actual president of the society,
so who cares, this guy says, I mean sure, Dixon
said that. Dixon said the tarred meteor showers especially active

(01:15:01):
this year as Earth passes through the debris field of
the comet. Two panky is what it's called. Quote. We
happen to be passing through a particularly rough and thick
patch of tail this year. Normally there are ten fireballs
per hour caused by this comet. It's more than that
this year in twenty twenty five, which makes it I

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think very likely that this could have been one of
those fireballs. Okay, I mean that's a lot of fireballs.
I think is ten fireballs a lot of fireballs. I
feel like that's a lot of fireballs.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
I mean it's more than not any fireballs, which seems
like a lot of fireballs.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
It is quite a bit of fireballs. Yeah, I'm enjoying
saying fireballs a bunch. This has been nice. As for
that whistling sound, it is rare but has been associated
with fireballs, an electronic effect of its disturbing the air
around it. Hum quote whistling is not unknown, it has

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been documented. Dixon said. Most of the time, most people
I don't hear a sound, except perhaps a sonic boom.
But when they do hear anything other than a sonic boom,
it's usually a crackling or static sound. So this whistle
that seems to be a genuinely rare capture. Wait, yeah,
this so this whistle that seems to be a genuinely
rare capture, and that makes this video a precious document. Yay,

(01:16:22):
you know. I mean he says all that, but yet
he lost I mean, he's not the president anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Maybe he retired, but then why is he still a
member because it's easier to be that, You're right, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
And why would he talk to the news if he's retired,
wouldn't he be like, talk to the current president?

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
No, because this is exciting, exciting stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Sounds to me like he's trying to usurp the current president.
I mean maybe CBS Sacramento sent the video to the
state Fire Marshal as well. Why not. They're just saying
it's everybody and anybody who responds. They put him in
the article.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Chief Daniel Berlant said he and his colleagues conferred and
believe the video could be consistent with a large whistle rocket. Okay,
this is leading into that phrase. You know, when you're
a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Yeah, it cannot be ruled out that the boom was
in fact caused by a firework, homemade explosive, or some
other phenomenon. Well, yeah, it can't be ruled out that
it's some other phenomenon. I mean that's very specific. But okay, fine,
So I don't know. The jury is still out. I
mean that one guy said it could be it could

(01:17:36):
be something else.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Yeah, I mean it's true, and now we'll never know
because we can't see it for ourselves, and also that
wouldn't really help anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Probably, Well, your faith in that meteorologist was shaken pretty easily.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Yeah. Yeah, I still believe him, but now I'm thinking
about how he probably thinks everything is a meteor since
he's a meteorologist.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Who studies meteors.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Well we're going to take a quick break and then
we're going to head to Budapest, Hungary, oh for some
disturbing discoveries. These archaeologists, man, all they do is fine
disturbing stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Yeah, I mean that's literally their job.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Oh I thought it was the study of archias.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Oh no, that's that's I don't know which one that's called,
but it doesn't have Archia in it at all.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
After this shell, we're heading to Budapest, which I know
you've always requested. And this article comes from apnews dot Com.
Archaeologists lift the lid on a seven one thousand, seven

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hundred year old Roman sarcophagus hidden beneath Budapest.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Oh, I'm sure that person really appreciates it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
The person the sarcophagus. Yeah, well, I guess we'll have
to ask him. They're a vampire twist. Now. A remarkably
well preserved Roman sarcophagus has been unearthed in Hungary's capital,
offering a rare window into the life of the young
woman inside. Oh, it's a lady and the world she

(01:19:22):
inhabited around seventeen hundred years ago. That's a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
I mean it's it's a while. It's not as long
as it could be, but you know, it's a while.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
I mean that's like where you live, Like Pennsylvania is
like what three hundred years old? Less than three hundred
years old?

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Like, come on, I mean it existed before that too.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Oh my gosh, impossible. Archaeologists with the Budapest History Museum
discovered the limestone coffin during a large scale excavation in Obudha,
a northern district of the city that once formed the
Aquins Aquincom Aquincom, a bustling Roman settlement on the Danube frontier, Oh,

(01:20:08):
untouched by looters and sealed for centuries. That's impressive. Yes,
sarcophagus was found with its stone lids still fixed in place,
secured by metal clamps and molten lead. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
They really wanted to secure it for some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Yeah, It's it's weird too though. It's like they secure
it so well, and it's like but all it does
is like preserve like things to like look at, Like
I mean, I guess the idea is they think that
they'll literally like go to heaven or whatever with everything
in the box.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
I mean maybe, or maybe they're just kind of grossed
out by things getting to underground, so they're like just
make it really really secured.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
They're just like dead bodies are so icky, let's really
seal this.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Yeah. Yeah, we don't want any anything getting in there,
getting out getting out.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Yeah. When researchers carefully lifted the lid, they uncovered a
complete skeleton surrounded by dozens of artifacts.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Oh, I thought it was going to be something else.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Dozens of just what just whatever?

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Yeah, no, like like dead animals or something.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
What is with you today? I don't know, geez cell quote.
The peculiarity of the finding is that it was a
hermetically sealed sarcophagus. It was not disturbed disturbed previously, so
it was intact, said Gabriella Fenes, the excavations lead archaeologist.

(01:21:41):
The coffin lay among the ruins of abandoned houses in
a quarter of aum aquincom I hope, I'm saying that
Aquicum vacate, vacated in the third century and later repurposed
as a burial ground. Wow, that checks out. Nearby researchers
uncovered a Roman aqueduct and ate simple graves, but none
approaching the richness or pristine condition of the sealed tomb.

(01:22:06):
See and when they say you can't take it with you, like,
nobody's gonna remember all this stuff because we all die
in the end. We'll take a look at this peasants.
Yeah we're here seventeen hundred years later, praising it, calling
it rich and pristine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a win.
Well it is. It is keeping with Roman funerary customs.

(01:22:26):
The sarcophagus held in a ray of objects to completely
intact glass vessels, bronze figures, and one hundred and forty coins.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
That's interesting is.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
That, like the thing? Is it one hundred and forty coins?
Is that like a part of their ritual?

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Maybe that makes a certain amount of money and that
was the thing? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Ooh, a bone hairpin, oh, a piece of amber jewelry
and traces of gold threaded fabric hmm, along with the
size of the skeleton. Wait, along with the size of
the skeleton point to the grave belonging to a young woman. Okay,
I get that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
The objects, fennye what you don't think you think they're
they're wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
They could be wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
They don't know, ah, I mean, I mean it sounded
like they might be right. The objects, Fenya said, were
quote items given to the deceased by her relatives for
her eternal journey.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Maybe we don't know that, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
It could have been her enemies going like get wrecked, loser,
like glad you're dead you have all these riches.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Yeah, or like this is all stuff you don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
You hate exactly one hundred and forty coins. Yeah, evil.
The deceased was buried very carefully by her relatives. They
must have really loved who they buried there. She said, Wow,
she just like went against us immediately. Yeah, this is
why I'm not friends with archaeologists anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
During the Roman period, much of what is now Hungary
formed the province of Pannonia, whose frontier ran along the
right bank of the Danube River less than a mile
from the site. A short distance away stood a legionary
camp guarding the empire's border, and the newly found structures
are believed to have been part of a civilian settlement

(01:24:23):
that grew around it. Anthropologists will now examine the young
woman's remains, a process expected to reveal more about her age,
health and origins. They're just like, my god, this woman
is dead. Sorry, what is it health? I just amastin
that she's dead. But even now, the grave's placement and

(01:24:45):
abundance of artifacts offer strong clues. The sarcophagus and its
contents quote definitely make it stand out, said Jurgeley Costial,
a Roman period specialist and co leader of the project. Quote.
This probably means that the deceased was well to do,

(01:25:05):
or of a higher social status. You think it was
a pauper just buried in like with riches and diamonds
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
Yeah, well, I mean maybe everybody just really liked them,
so they're like, oh, we couldn't help you in.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Life, but in death, we'll pitch in.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Yeah, we'll pitch in.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
We'll pitch in with you. Yeah, that's what we'll do.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
It is truly rare to find a sarcophagus like this,
untouched and never used before, because in the fourth century
it was common to reuse earlier sarcophag guy Oh okay, yeah, wow,
how green?

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
There would just be like, oh, there's not really much
left in here anymore. Okay, just throw the rest away.
Well use it again.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Yeah, we'll just yeat this guy. He's already in the
Great Beyond. Yeah that's fire. Yeah, or they didn't take him,
which means he's evil, so let's throw him in the fire.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Quote. It is quite clear that this sarcophagus was made
specifically for the deceased if it was. Okay, so if somebody,
if your loved ones, made a sarcophagus specifically for you,
what would it look like.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Well, I don't want a sarcophag. Guess, but I guess
if I had to have for some reason, I wanted
to be made out of like that stone that has
a little flex in it. See, now I don't I
wasn't prepared for this. I don't know what I'm trying

(01:26:31):
to say. You know, like the stone that has a
little flex of in it, and that's it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
I what a stone that has a little flex in it?
What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
A little silvery flex in it? What kind of stone
is that?

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
I don't know, A silvery spec stone. No, okay, now,
so now you know what it isn't Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Fine, Sorry, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Excavators also removed a layer of mud roughly one point
five inches thick from the inside of the coffin that
Fenyes hopes could contain even more treasures. Quote, I suspect
we could find jewelry. We haven't found any earrings or
other jewelry belonging to the woman, so I hope that
these small items will turn up during the sifting of
the mud. H For Fenyes, the discovery of the Roman

(01:27:28):
sarcophagus is not only of scientific significance, but an emotionally
resonant insight into the devotion displayed by people in an
ancient time. Well, I mean, if you got a kind
of money to.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Burn, I guess, hm hmm, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Quote. I was very touched by the care and expression
of love that we were able to get a glimpse of.
She said. Even now, I shudder to think how painful
it must have been for the people at that time
to bury this young lady.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Can you imagine that the apathy and love for you
just reaches through like seventeen hundred years and makes someone
like truly like emotional about it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
I guess they're right, we should be building like pyramids
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Well, we can't build a pyramid. It's too hard.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
It's impossible without aliens.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
No, no, it's not impossible. That answer. We're just we
just don't have any good stone masons anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
We have freemasons. That's something.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
I mean, we could try to see if they'll build
build a pyramid.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
The price is right. Yeah, we're going to take a
quick break and we're going to go to another excavation,
but it's a bit different than this one. Right after
this cell now we're headed from Budapest to somewhere even

(01:28:53):
more mysterious and exotic. Really yeah oo Indianapolis. Yay, yeah,
I think Indianapolis is very underrated.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Me too, I like Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
So this is from indistar dot com. Excavation concludes at
Henry Street Bridge project site one thousand and seven hundred
graves on Earth. Yeah so no joke. The reason that
this fascinated me was when I found the article from before,

(01:29:30):
but I was skimming. I thought they were the same
article because I saw seventeen hundred in both of them.
One was seventeen hundred years old and the other was
seventeen hundred bodies.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Yeah, wow. Eunice Trotter walked the rocky dirt strip that
would be the right of way for the extension of
Henry Street. Recently, the land had been overturned there and
the remains of Hoosiers from the past uncovered. I love
that turn of phrase. For years, Trotter and others had

(01:30:05):
called for the land about one and a half acres,
to be excavated before the city paved it over for
a road extension to the planned Henry Street Bridge, which
would connect downtown Indianapolis to Alonco Animal Health's newly built
headquarters on the River's west side. They had warned that
human remains could be there, as well as beneath a

(01:30:26):
larger adjacent site spanning roughly twenty five acres owned by
Keystone Development Core. Particularly vexing to Trotter and others was
the possibility that many of the diseased who remained at
the site were likely the city's earliest black residents.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
Huh, this is interesting. I hope they explain why they
thought that, because or were they just like, I don't know,
there could be human remains and they might keep.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Feeling about this. Yeah, after all. Oh wow, it's I
love that when we take that, when the article makes
us look like dumb a little bit. After all, it
was once Green Lawn Cemetery, the first burial site in
Indianapolis and final resting place of pioneers who helped shape

(01:31:13):
the community.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Oh, it's sad that it just kind of, I guess,
deteriorated to the point that it wasn't a cemetery anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Yeah, I guess, I guess so. Or it was full up,
so they were like, let's move on.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Yeah, that doesn't really make make much sense, but whatever. Now,
I didn't say I was gonna make sense. Nobody told
me I had to make sense. I didn't know there'd
be a test. Geez, you're very harsh today.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
But I didn't say anything.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Uh huh, okay, fine, blame me only. Quote. I'm really
happy that they did that. They did do that for
this right the right way at least. Wait, I'm really
happy that they did do that for this right of
way at least. But with the uncovering of more than
one thousand, seven hundred grave shafts, you can only imagine

(01:32:06):
what's under the rest thousands of people would be my
best guess. Hmmm, that's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Yeah, it is a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
She said, looking toward buildings erected nearby in the adjacent
land owned by Keystone Group. That land, once slated to
become Eleven Park, a one point five billion dollar mixed
use development anchored by a twenty thousand seat soccer stadium,
is now used for event parking.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
It too now appears rocky and gated off with U
hauls and other moving trucks, vehicles and buses advertising bands
parked in a rows in a rows in town for
a competition. Quote. They've begun using all of that land
over there for parking. So we know that the band

(01:32:56):
competition people would just long to know that they're park
looking on top of bodies underground, she said, adding that
she's not been in communication with Keystone, which could not
be reached for comment before publication.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Oh Well.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
Trotter's visit to the site on November thirteenth corresponded with
that of archaeologists and city officials who met there with
the media. After archaeological consultant stand Tech completed excavating the strip,
which runs through both the Old and New burying grounds,
city officials said they found more grave shafts than anticipated.
The majority of the shafts contained human remains, So I

(01:33:36):
wonder what they what they think it maybe be like
five hundred of them. They were like, yeah, that's that's
not that many.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Yeah, yeah, it's as long as it's like under seven
point fifty. We're gonna have to do anything, no NBD,
you know, Yeah, we find those kind of amount of
bodies everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
Yeah. Green Lawn was a collection of four cemeteries, the
Old Burying Ground, Newburyer Burying Ground or Union Cemetery, PEX Ground,
and Green Lawn. It accepted its last inhabitants in the
mid eighteen hundreds. When the new sections were added, the
old burying ground became a paupers cemetery for poor, white

(01:34:12):
and black residents. Thousands had been estimated to have been
interred there by the time it closed for burials, and
while many were moved to better grounds, there are a
few records showing what happened to the graves of black residents.
Construction has taken place at the site many times over
the years. It was once a park and a baseball stadium.

(01:34:36):
Human remains have been unearthed wherever dirt whenever dirt turned there,
geez wow. Anytime they built something like there's the corpse.
Yeah yeah, And people wonder why I don't want to
live in like the city.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
It's all built on corpses.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
I mean, everything is built on corpses though, I mean,
it's just kind of how it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
I mean, I was thinking America runs on Duncan But
that's fine too.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
I like better.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
It's like the French catacombs. People are always like they're so beautiful,
and I'm like sure, but like, ah, yeah, yeah, I
don't like it. I don't like it. No, I wouldn't
want to go down there.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
No, I mean I might want to see it. It's there.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
There's so many graves, we have to move them, so
let's just like fuck with their bones for funzos and
make make walls out of them. Like dude, yeah, those
were all people. Well they were French, that's fire. They
were French. But still now there are walls. Fair enough.
Now that the excavation is complete, the road connecting a

(01:35:41):
connection extending from Kentucky Avenue to the bridge is expected
to be completed by the end of next year, and
bridgework over the river is expected to be mostly finished
by that time. Meanwhile, infrastructure on the west side of
the river should be open to the public in a
few months. This website is giving me all kinds of problems. Wow,

(01:36:02):
oh wait was that it? I apologize? Yeah. I literally
went to scroll and it just didn't scroll, and then
it like jumped down to the bottom of this Oh,
here we go. The condition of caskets, artifacts, and human
remains varied, said stan Tech archaeologist Ryan Peterson, noting that

(01:36:23):
the number of human remains found does not equal the
number of grave shafts. That's because that's became that's became
some remains. That's because it says became because some remains
are well preserved and intact, while others are not. Quote,
over half of the individuals of that seventeen oh nine
were complete burials. He said. Burials were stacked or intersecting

(01:36:46):
because they occurred at different times. In an extreme example,
three to five people could be buried together.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Quote, it wasn't uncommon to find out that that, to
find out two, to find two that were intentionally in
the same hole but separated or adjacent, that were kind
of overlapping. That was more common in the old burying ground,
the older part of the cemetery. He said. I was
hoping there'd be a part where, he said, like and
it brought tears in my eyes, thinking nobody cared about

(01:37:16):
these people at all, And that's amazing. Sorry, that's so cool.
It was previously disclosed that nineteenth century dolls, brooches, and
necklaces were uncovered at the site. Peter is confident the
team found and removed everyone that they could. The recently
found remains, grave markers, and other items at the excavation

(01:37:37):
site have been photographed and documented than transferred to bioarchaeologist
Jeremy Wilson's lab at Indiana University Indiapolis for analysis. Wilson
and his graduate students have analyzed the skeletal remains of
five hundred individuals. So far. Infant remains have also been recovered.
What was that face? Umanit face?

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
My face is What are they going to do with
them after they mess with them?

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
They?

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
What are they doing?

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Burial again?

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
I guess yeah, stop like touching them, put them back
in the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Jeez, you're such a killjoy. We're going to take a
break and find out a little bit more about this
giant grave right after this. Okay, we're back and shell this.
As we wrap up this article about the Indianapolis mass

(01:38:27):
Grave excavation, they immediately stick it to you. Oh the
next line quote. This cemetery has been effaced for over
one hundred years, and it's been forgotten about by most
people in the community, but not all. Wilson said. This
is our one opportunity not only to analyze in a
scientific way these individuals, but also get them reburied in

(01:38:49):
a protected cemetery where they can be properly honored as
our city's first residence.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Yeah. I'm just gonna stop talking.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
I mean, hey, you were just like you just wanted
to be hateful Chell, and you know people, I get it.
You're giving the people what they want. They love hateful Chill.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
No, I know, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
No, we have a Spotify can that lyricist Spicy Michelle
is the best thing ever.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
They've been able to learn about infectious diseases the community face,
like tuberculosis which can manifest on bones, venereal syphilis, and
occupational trauma suffered from the breaking of bones due to
day to day activities. White syphilis make you shudder the most.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
It's just the idea that you could see it on
bones was disturbing to me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Yeah, yep, you yeah, that is okay. Yeah, now I'm bothered. Thanks. Yeah.
The human remains were a mix of white and black burials,
indicating the site was probably more integrated than believed. City
and archaeological official said, quote, all these things are helping
us to really understand what life, labor, and everything else

(01:40:00):
was like in Indianapolis in the eighteen hundreds, Wilson said.
Through analysis. Wilson and his students also have been have
been figure out they need a copy, have been figuring
out race of those uncovered from the site. Invasive genetic
testing would be required to assess whether someone is mixed race,

(01:40:21):
and that's expensive. He added, quote, there were a large
number of African American individuals that lived here. In fact,
that number increased over time, especially after the Civil War.
But we don't but we don't to date, don't to
date have any evidence of a spatial pattering, pattering where

(01:40:42):
both in life and death their segregation. You see, this
is in other American cities, especially in the South. We
do not have any evidence for that here in Green Lawn.
The analysis could take some time to complete. Wilson and
others said, decisions about how and where to a memorialize
and bury the individuals also remain, So they still have

(01:41:03):
to figure that part.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Out, Okay, but they said they're going to and they're
not just saying that for the sake of the article.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
Probably, I hope not.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Trotter still believes many early Black Hoosiers remain there. She
hopes the full Diamond Chain site will be excavated and
their graves are located. In the meantime, she's also eyeing
the recovery of abandoned late nineteenth century cemeteries in Salem
and Marion in hopes of preserving Indiana's black history. That
mission is urgent now more than ever, she said, quote

(01:41:36):
records are no longer being kept as they used to,
and erasure is real. It happens every day, and if
we don't become more aware of the loss that can
result of it, we're going to lose huge slices of history.
Yeah that's pretty interesting, especially because I'm in Ohio. So
those are my neighbors, Indiana, And yeah, I mean I

(01:41:57):
knew their history was pretty interesting. But that's a it's
a lot of corpses.

Speaker 3 (01:42:03):
Yeah it is, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
Hell of corpses. So cell you're sarcophagus, you have time.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
Oh right, right, So I guess I want it to
be made out of a stone that has mica in it.
Mike pieces. Yeah, Like so maybe some granite with Micah
or something or anything that has mica in it, because
Mike is pretty okay. And then when someone finds it
they'll be like, Wow, it's sparkly, and I'll be happy.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
That's it. Just Micah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
I mean, yeah, I'm not really I'm not really fancy.
Maybe they could carve things that I like into the.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Top of it, manga stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
It's like manga panels.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
That way.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
People could read it and they would be like, oh,
this this seems good, and then they could go and
find the manga and then they can I could recommend
things from beyond the Grave.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
Oh there you go. Yeah, look at you. You're being
You're being very positive, and that's that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
I think maybe I don't know. I'm a little I'm
a little nervous the more we talk about it, to
be honest, but you know, we'll sort it out.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
Okay, So we're not going to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
Then, I mean, that's between me and your loved ones
when you die.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, whatever, you know, it just I don't
even want to want just throw me away.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
Please just just throw you in the garbage.

Speaker 3 (01:43:37):
Yeah, in a dumpster, preferably, well.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
We all know you like dumpsters.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
See exactly, We'll.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
See maybe maybe maybe, yes, maybe no. I mean it's
really for the people who are still there, not for you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
So who.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
Just saying okay, well, chill. I have been keeping the
topic of today's show under wraps. I was trying to
figure out what to cover because there's not a lot
of literal thanksgiving mysteries and folklore per se, and there's
just so much Christmas stuff out there, and we're going

(01:44:15):
to be covering Christmas for a full month on Weekly Spooky.
So I decided to go a little more festive and
go with the meal theme because I think it was
last month you were fascinated by the concept of the
sin eater. Yeah, so we're going to do a little
dive into the sin eater, Okay, and learn a bit

(01:44:38):
about a meal you would be thankful that you never have.
So we'll be talking about that right after this. We're
talking about this month's topic, sin eaters. I decided instead

(01:45:01):
of just reading a kind of a plain Jane Wikipedia page,
I found an article from twenty twenty three written by
a guy named John McNutt. Great name, yeah really, and
it's from Peninsula Daily News. Although although in the article
it mentions like that this has nothing to do with here,
like where they are, ok I guess he just wanted

(01:45:23):
to write that, So it's yeah, that's the piece, and
it says the history of a strange profession, sin eaters
and chill. You'd never heard of the concept at all
until I mentioned it in Passing a month ago. Right.
It's an eerie concept and one that definitely can grab

(01:45:45):
your imagination and help it kind of run wild. So
the origin of the professional sin eater dates to the
Middle Ages. The whole idea may have come from the
Bible and Hosea four eight, where it is written quote,
they feed on the sin of my people. As is
so often the case, when you take a text out
of context, you end up with a pretext. Excuse me,

(01:46:10):
the prophet Hoseiah was really condemning the priests of his time.
The priests were allowed to eat the meat which was
sacrificed as a sin offering, which was meant to wipe
away the sin of the people. So like animal meat,
the priests, though, longed for people to sin more so
they would receive a steady supply of meat to eat.

(01:46:32):
That's really interesting. Wow, that makes sense. I mean that
every time you sin, you have to bring a goat
to sacrifice to like yeah, so it's like, boy, I
hope these people are sinning because I'm starving.

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Who was a sin eater? The sin eater or sign
eater si nn e was a poor person hired to
absorb the sins of recently deceased souls. Families wanted to
spare their deceased members the discomfort of purgatory. Chell's like,

(01:47:05):
I'm looking forward to purgatory the most.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
I mean, yeah, you just get to hang out and
not do anything, and you don't feel bad because you
can't do anything even if you wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
I dig that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
Yeah, excuse, but I'm not getting out of purgatory if
I go there, So it's.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
Not like that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Yeah. The sin eater would ceremoniously consume food prepared by
the deceased's family. This was often bread and ale. The
food would be consumed in the vicinity of the corpse.
While the idea was commonplace, the custom was modified to
suit local circumstantial stances, such as the person's social class.

(01:47:50):
Observing the world, we can see funeral rites as varied
as the number of people groups around the the numbers
of people groups around the world according to customs of
the sin eater, or according to customs the sin eater
was called or presented himself at the home of the deceased.
A crust of bread, which had been laid on the

(01:48:11):
chest of the deceased was given to him to eat.
Then a small coin was placed on his palm. Yes,
they would literally like take the food off of the
corpse and then eat it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
Yeah, I mean that's the only part of this. It's
like a little bit. I'd still you know, still what,
I'd still probably do it as a job, and I
don't eat. I don't. I don't want to eat food
off of a dead body.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
That's the job.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
Well, the job is also just eating the food. That
part's fine. And I don't mind absorbing the sins of
the people. That's fine too.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
Okay, Shell, just the layers of Shell Discovery program. I'm
going to run all the transcripts of the show through
it AI and ask it to like just give like
a synopsis of who you are. No, I'm gonna, Oh,
I'm gonna now I have to amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
No, No, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
You're right. I'll run. I'll run the transcripts of all
of your anime. It'll be perfect. I'll be thankful for that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
Oh God.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
Finally, he was covered in ashes and driven from the
house with sticks. That seems mean you'd probably like it. Yeah,
the act, the act itself was one of extreme humiliation
and degradation. Shells like filling out her resume. Later the

(01:49:51):
custom was modified and ale and bread were partaken directly
from the chest of the deceased.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
Okay, so for a while there I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
But I would like, I guess you could like pick
it off their chest or something. The custom continued to
be refined and became more elaborate. Later banquets were provided
for the sin eater. The scale of this banquet depended
a great deal upon the status and wealth of the
deceased family. I just want to point out, for a second,
Chelle was like, I don't love the end of eating

(01:50:21):
off of corpse, but I like the job of like
just eating the food and all this after you just
like crapt all over Thanksgiving. And now you're like, but
I'll eat you know, corpse food.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
Well, I never said I wouldn't eat the food of Thanksgiving.
It's just not my favorite. So I probably wouldn't really
like this food that much either, But it's food, so
it's going to keep me alive unless I get some
disease from the dead person and I get to do
a good service of taking away some sins from some people. So, like,

(01:50:52):
my god, Michelle, I don't understand why this is so
weird too.

Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
That's the worst part. The degree of the deceased sinfulness
also entered into the matter. In sixteen eighty seven, John
Aubrey wrote a book titled Remains and Gentileism and Judaism.
It is a wonderful book you can use to cure

(01:51:20):
any form of insomnia you might be experiencing. You may
need to research seventeenth century spellings and meanings of the
words yeah. I was having a hard time with those.
Aubrey wrote of this custom, describing first a man who
was long, lean, ugly, lamentable, poor, and a lamentable poor rascal.

(01:51:42):
I think you kind of are a rascal.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
Really think I'm a rascal?

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
I would describe you as a rascal.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
Really, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
This man would be called over to the deceased's home.
The corpse would be brought out and laid on the casket. Quote.
A loaf of bread was brought out and delivered to
the sin eater over the corpse, as also a mazar
bowl of maple, a maser bowl of maple full of
gossip's bowl full of beer which he was to drink up,

(01:52:15):
and sixpence in money in consideration whereof he took upon
him ipso facto, all the sins of the defunct and
freed him or her from walking after they were dead. Okay,
so seems like a good way to get a little
drunk and get some food in you in a couple bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:52:34):
Yeah. Do you think if I said I don't really
want to drink the alcohol, I mean, maybe I could
just pour it somewhere and no one would notice.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Do you think if I told them I don't really
want to drink alcohol, they would go back to covering
me in ashes and chasing me out with sticks?

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
That would be preferable. I think they probably do that.
They'd probably be like what and then they be like,
I mean, I guess we have all these ashes right here.
We've been looking at me somebody up, so.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
They're pretty mad. Yeah, okay, Well we're going to take
a break and learn more about these customs and why
this is the perfect job for Michelle. Right after this,
all right, we're back talking about the sin eater aka

(01:53:23):
Michelle's perfect occupation. In seventeen fourteen, John Leland described this custom.
When someone died, the sin eater was notified and would
arrive at the place where the deceased lay. There he
stood before the door of the house. He was furnished
a stool to sit upon, that's kind of nice. Yeah,
get a stool, don't have to just stand there.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:47):
The family would give him some money, a piece of
bread to eat, and a bowl of ale to drink.
I like that they're drinking beer out of bowls.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
Yeah. I guess they just didn't have cups.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
They didn't understand the concept yet, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
When he had finished eating and drinking, he got up
and pronounced that the soul of the departed was at
ease and rest. He had thereby pawned his own soul instead.
Early sin eaters were wretched people. They were social outcasts
who personified evil for the people in their community. Since
the custom inflicted the sins of the dead the dead

(01:54:24):
person upon the sin eater, it was a popular idea
that the sin eater continued to be possessed by evil.
I've always heard that sin eaters were usually like outcasts,
you know, people that nobody liked in society, paupers, murderers like,
you know, people who had committed horrible acts.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
I mean that makes sense, though, because you know, you
don't want people that you care about to have to
take on sins of people and then have problems. Unless
the sinator at the end of their life, gets another
sin eater.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
It's also sin bring in the biggest, the king sin eater,
the master, the boss sin eater comes in. This is
a giant dude. He just harks down all the like
a full Thanksgiving platter because you had you know, you're
so sinful. Yeah, sin eating was a profession chosen by some.
They would typically live alone, away from everyone else. This

(01:55:21):
is getting. This is you're like, I am listening. If
someone encountered this person, they would avoid them like a leper. Okay,
you're still seem to be all right. Only when someone
died where they sought out. A small coin was usually
sufficient to carry out the ceremony, but larger payments were

(01:55:42):
never rejected. Yeah, you're just you're just like, all right,
I'm Michelle. I'm here to do your sin eating if
you just want is this gonna be hard? Okay? You
just have the little square panel and uh, just tip
whatever you think is appropriate, and then you're just watching
them while they're tipping. It's cool. I'm just gonna eat
your husband's sin so he doesn't have to burn in purgatory.

(01:56:03):
But yeah, it's all good. You know you're just gonna
burn for him. You know, yeah, I guess you could
just I guess you could just put skip you know,
no tip, or I guess just ten percent. I guess
you know, it's whatever, it's just salvation.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
I would do that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
I know you wouldn't. That's that's unfortunate. But you wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
No, I would be like, no, you don't have to
tip me. Please don't tip me. It just makes me
uncomfortable when you do that. Just skip that. No, I'll
skip it for you.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
That's so real, that's so real. Successful sin eaters gained
some popularity by looking and acting the part. They could
be humble, repulsive, and fiendish at the same time cool.
For the shrewd, sin eating was lucrative. They would simply
exploit the superstitions of the masses. In old literature, you

(01:56:57):
can find references to funeral biscuit, funeral wine, funeral cakes,
and dead cakes. Shakespeare used the term funeral meats. I've
heard of funeral cakes, by the way. I've heard they're
not that good, but that there was a thing in England.
They still make them. I've heard okay the seramone you
like cakes, They're okay, man, what do you like? Cell?

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
I just don't. Fine, and okay, I just like cakes
in particular out of like types of desserts are my
least favorite kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:57:28):
What's your most favorite?

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
I like pies.

Speaker 1 (01:57:31):
What's your favorite pie?

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
Like? Apple?

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
Really?

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
Do you ever have it in New England style? I
don't know, with a slice of cheddar cheese on top. No,
you got to try that. No, okay, maybe for Christmas,
I'll send.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
You an apple pie with cheese on it. No.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
Probably have you get the cheese so it's you know, Oh, okay, fine,
I'll send the cheese too. This is what I deal with, everybody.
This is what I deal with. So anyway, let's see,
I lost my place with all this Michelle talk. Sorry see, oh,

(01:58:16):
here we go. The ceremony may have existed into the
start of the twentieth century. As with all customs, they
change over time. We know that Christmas, Easter, and New
Year's Eve do not resemble the customs of earlier times.
The function of the sin eater was eventually replaced. Family
members would partake in wine and cakes prepared for the occasion.

(01:58:38):
So it became to which makes I mean most funerals
like there's a wake and people.

Speaker 3 (01:58:43):
Eat yeah, you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
Which makes sense. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
Do you ever you ever think about the fact that
it used to be the parlor of the house and
they used to have funerals in there. That's why we
started calling it the funeral parlor as a separate thing.

Speaker 3 (01:58:58):
I think about that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
And then when they were like no more of that,
they were like, also, fuck the dead, it's a living
room now.

Speaker 3 (01:59:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:05):
I think about that a lot that we changed the
name to the living room because we're really just petty. Yeah,
the living I mean. Some went as far as to
make cakes that resembled the deceased. It would feel weird
to us being eaten, to be eating a deceased relative's face. Well,
maybe you.

Speaker 3 (01:59:25):
The offense, Yeah, not everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:59:28):
That's where I'll get you for Christmas. I'm gonna make
a cake that resembles you. No, No, this is the
most upset you've been in a while, so I'm very
happy about it. In some way, it all, in some
way conveyed the idea of having the edibles embody the
sin and evil spirits of the departed. Eventually, the breads

(01:59:49):
and cakes no longer represented the sin and evil spirits,
but rather were provided to give refreshment to the mourners.
Those baked goods would also be a token of remembrance.
It sounds like the reception after a memorial service or
a graveside service. So it really did become something completely different.

Speaker 3 (02:00:08):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:00:08):
It's a pretty good article. It was one of the
more involved ones I could find.

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
Well, yeah, I mean it's interesting to because I didn't.
I mean, I never even thought about, like, why do
people eat after funerals? She seems like the right thing
to do. But I guess that's because there was once
a really cool job that I can't have now.

Speaker 1 (02:00:27):
I'm sorry, buddy. Well, eating has always been very ceremonial
until recently. Even still, we still have a lot of
ceremonial eating. I mean, dinners are you know, a thing
you do to be social with people, to get to
know them. You know, it's all very everything that's old
is new again, you know. Yeah, So I'm sorry, Shelle.

(02:00:50):
We're going to ask Okay, we're putting this out to
the audience. Email us at Weekly Spooky at gmail dot com.
If you know of a sin eater position open that
Michelle could could do.

Speaker 3 (02:01:00):
Bonus, if it's in if it's in the Philadelphia area.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
Yeah, bonus and it's an't in Philly. Uh oh yeah,
you don't want to deal with that amount of sin, No,
I know.

Speaker 3 (02:01:11):
I do that would I gotta make some money.

Speaker 1 (02:01:17):
Well, on that note, we're going to take a quick
break and come back wrapping up our November twenty twenty
five Monthly Spooky by talking about a few films we've
seen I've seen in the theater that are horror and
also some hopefully some spooky Reddit stuff Michelle's found before
she quits the show to be a sin eater full time.

(02:01:37):
Right after this, all right, we're wrapping up this monthly,
this monthly, this edition of Monthly Spooky, so real quick,
I want to mention I did see two horror films
in the theater. November has not been big for horror

(02:01:58):
this year. October was kind of light on horror movies too,
But we do have a big horror We have two
big horror releases in December. We have Five Nights at
Freddie Part two and then the Silent Night Deadly Night remake.

Speaker 3 (02:02:13):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:02:15):
Yeah, yeah, I sent you a copy of that once,
didn't I?

Speaker 3 (02:02:19):
I think so?

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
Yeah, that's like one of my favorite Christmas movies. I
don't know why because it's I know, it's twisted and everything,
but it really gets me in the Christmas sphirre at
watching it. It just does. The music is really good
in it. I was watching the making of documentary for
it a year or two ago and they mentioned that like,
for whatever reason, the director was just friends with like
a really like well respected Hollywood music producer, so he

(02:02:45):
produced all of the Christmas songs and that's why they're
they're great is because he was just really good and
he hired all his favorite you know, studio excuse me,
studio musicians. So but like there's that song where it's
like it's always Christmas on the warm side of the door,

(02:03:06):
and I'm like, God, that song is so good. That's
actually really catchy. I don't know, I like that song anyway.
But as far as horror movies I saw in the theater,
I saw Bigonia, not to be confused with Bugonia, which
is a different thing, but Bogonia, which is a thriller
movie by Yorgos Lathimos, who did Killing of a Sacred

(02:03:28):
Deer and Poor Things, and it was about these two
conspiracy theorists who kidnap a billionaire ceo woman and are
convinced she's a space alien.

Speaker 3 (02:03:42):
Oh I heard about that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:45):
It was actually really good, super tense cool. I like
most of Yorgos Lathamos's movies. I didn't like Poor Things,
but I really loved Killing of a Sacred Deer in particular.
We did a whole cutting deep into horror about killing
of a Sacred Deer. That's how freaking good it is.
But I really enjoyed it. Thought it was a lot
of fun. Emma Stone is great in it. Although she

(02:04:08):
has a weird shaped head. She should she should have
been like this the moment she saw her head shaved,
she should have been like no. But the other horror
film I saw was actually just the Other Night, and
it was Keeper, directed by Osgood Perkins, who is famous
for having now directed Long Legs and the Monkey, which
came out in January, and it is a film about

(02:04:32):
a woman who goes to a cabin with the man
she's been dating. And I don't want it's hard to
tell you much about it without spoiling it, but like
some weird things start happening, and it seems like she's
been brought there for a very specific reason. Very fun,
very scary, really wild, wild imagery, and phenomenal performances. I

(02:04:56):
really enjoyed the hell out of it. Cool Dave didn't
like make it so much, so I get to make
fun of him for that. He was kind of like, eh,
I was like, I thought it was great. I thought
it had some really fascinating things. One of my favorite
moments of the whole movie is there's a moment where
a character, because I'm trying really hard not to give
any spoilers, a character explains the mentality of whatever it

(02:05:18):
is that's causing all of these troubles, right, and instead
of like just saying it, he explains it by telling
an old joke because he's like, the old joke explains
this better than like just saying it, which I loved
because it was like, you know, if I had known
about something for a really long time and it was
something that's hard to explain, that is the kind of

(02:05:40):
thing that would like pop in your head. Is like, Oh,
it's kind of like remember that joke you heard about
the catching the fish and it grants you three wishes,
you know, that kind of thing. So yeah, I really
enjoyed Keeper quite a bit. Probably not my top horror
movie of the Year, but there were a lot of
really good movies that came out this year, and Chell,
I need to make you watch Caught Stealing soon. It's
gonna be on Netphlie. Oh okay, Yeah, it's coming to

(02:06:02):
Netflix on the twenty ninth of November, so you're finally
gonna watch it, and then I can tell you all
the differences between the book and the movie, because hopefully
by then I'll have finished the book. Okay, there are
a lot of differences. It's a very different book. It's
still good though, it's just very different from the movie. Yeah,
I'm revving up because we're about to wrap up and
I can rest my voice for a little while. So, so, Chell,

(02:06:25):
what do we got on the Reddit spooky front?

Speaker 3 (02:06:29):
So I can do one? It was like from a
month ago, but it's about food, so we can do it. Yeah,
I mean kind of. So there's this it's from the
glitch in the Matrix page because that's where they're all from.
And so there's this family, like like two adult type
people and a child, I guess, and they're making dinner

(02:06:51):
and let me see if I can get the time
frame right. So they're making dinner and they're making like
they're a normal dinner that they make, which is roasted cabbage, wedges, potatoes,
and smoked sausage, which sounds pretty good. That's usually, yeah,
usually takes about, you know, forty five minutes to make
the whole thing, and a lot of it is just
them and putting stuff in the oven and things. So

(02:07:13):
they start making it at six o'clock and they're kind
of doing stuff and I think like they take one
of the things out of the oven and then it's
like the other thing is gonna be done in like
just a few minutes or something. So they're just kind
of waiting at the counter altogether, kind of checking their
phones and talking and stuff. And then the daughter is like,
why is it dark outside? And then they like look

(02:07:36):
at the clock and it's like ten forty five. I
think that's the time. Hold on, let me look ten
oh three pm. And they're just like what the fuck?
And everything is fine, like nothing's burned, everything is totally okay,
and they can eat dinner. But it's been four hours

(02:07:56):
and they don't know what happened.

Speaker 1 (02:07:58):
That's creepy. I mean, yeah, I've always found the concept
of totally lost time to be scary m Yeah, there's
a movie called Amityville nineteen ninety two. It's about Time,
which is actually one of my favorite Amityville horror movies.
But there's a scene where this kid is talking to
his dad and his dad's wife and he leaves the
room and then he decides like, I shouldn't have left

(02:08:21):
in this like that way, so he goes back in,
and when he goes back in, nobody's in the room,
and then his stepmom walks in in like her robe,
and she's like and she's like, oh, are you doing okay?
You've just kind of stormed off in a hurry. It's
been like nine hours, like it was the morning then
and now it's literally the middle of the night. And
I remember that they did it, so you know, like
quickly you didn't notice anything change, and it really messed

(02:08:44):
with me. So that one's weird. I mean, but my
first thought would be checked for a gas leak.

Speaker 3 (02:08:48):
Yeah, yeah, it just it would be weird because it wasn't.
I don't think when this person posted it it was
super recent. I mean I think it was within the
like a couple of weeks, but I don't Oh no, oh,
it was last night. When they posted it, So maybe
there is a gas leak.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
Oh sounds like a gas leak to me.

Speaker 3 (02:09:06):
Yeah, it's just weird that they would know. It's weird
that they'd all lose the time at the same time. Sure, especially, No,
it doesn't work for a gas leak because the food
would have been the food in the oven would have
been destroyed if it was ghas leak. I mean, unless
they're just all insane, the gas leak made them insane,
is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:09:23):
Oh yeah, that's what my thought was, that they were
driven insane by a gas leak. I mean yeah, yeah,
because I mean it's easy to be mistaken sometimes, but
that is pretty big.

Speaker 3 (02:09:34):
Yeah, And you'd think, like they know when they make dinner, Like,
it's not like it would be weird if you started
making dinner like three hours late or something. It's not
you'd know, you know, yah, especially an entire family of people.

Speaker 1 (02:09:49):
Yeah, an entire insane family of people making dinner, making dinner. Well,
thank you guys for joining us on this edition of
Monthly Spooky. We hope you had a good time. We
probably did too, not Michelle, but you know everybody else.
And I want to remind you. Tomorrow is this Week
in Horror History, will be covering all kinds of fun

(02:10:09):
and exciting moments that have happened in horror history. On Wednesday,
we have a brand new Thanksgiving horror story called seventy
by David O'Hanlon. And then on Friday, Rachel and I
will be back on cutting deep into horror, talking all
about one of my favorite horror movies of all time
in the perfect post dinner movie, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

(02:10:32):
And then on Saturday, our first Christmas compilation drops ten
scary Christmas stories that'll help you get through doing your
laundry drive in a bunch of places, whatever it is
you're up to after Christmas is over so or Christmas
Thanksgiving is over. I need to make it to Thanksgiving
somehow survive to it. So so, but thank you guys

(02:10:56):
so much for joining us. Cell I'm going to give
you the final word, but don't wat it.

Speaker 3 (02:11:00):
No wait, wait was that it

Speaker 2 (02:11:29):
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