A Song for Charlie + Trump vs. Bibi

Are President Trump and Bibi Netanyahu having a falling-out? Axios reporter Marc Caputo discusses his bombshell report on an explosive call between the two over Lebanon and Iran. Singer Mike Cavanaugh performs a moving new song he wrote in honor of Charlie and his martyrdom. Steve Hilton joins for a push on California primary day.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 4 (01:17):
All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is
June second. I can't believe it's already June and it's
June second. We're here at the Yreefi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
How are you yet? My microphone remains flag flagless. What's
the well.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
I'm gonna call the folks at y Reef. I see
what we can get done for you, Blake. It's time
to escalate this matter. I want to get right into it.
The big story last night was that President Trump and
BB netanyahuo Prime Minister of Israel, had a very tense conversation.
That story was first reported by Axios, and one of
the reporters on that byeline is Mark Capudoh. He's joining

(01:54):
us now. Mark, Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's
good to have you.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Oh, great to be here.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Your uh, your story yesterday in Axios caused the quite
the stir. The headline is you're effing crazy Trump, Trump
fumes at net and Yahoo in call on Lebanon. The
subtitle is you'd be in prison if it weren't for me.
I'm saving your behind.

Speaker 6 (02:18):
Mark.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
This like I said, caused quite the stir yesterday. Tell
us about your reporting and do you stand by it now?

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Oh, certainly. We spoke to multiple senior administration officials with
knowledge of the call, who we have uses sources of
accurate information before. And the reason we were able to
report this first is over the weekend, my colleague Barack
Ravine and I had done a story about how Trump

(02:46):
had made an amendment change to the Iran peace plan,
you know that he's hoping to strike with the government there,
And during the reporting of that over the weekend, one
of our sources had told us that Netanyaho wanted Lebanon
to be included in the peace plan, but Trump thought

(03:07):
it was too complicated. Then the next day on Saturday,
are better set? On Sunday, the Israeli military just unleashed
Holy Hell in Lebanon. And knowing what I know of
the administration and the fact that there have been some
concerns for quite some time that Netanyah himself might not
be fully committed to the peace process the way the

(03:30):
United States was, I figured that this would greatly upset
President Trump. So we began calling based on that hunch.
Knowing what we know and Indeed, people told us that
this was the contents of the conversation. It's only just
one person we spoke to. It was two people who
are impeccably who are impeccable sources, as well as another

(03:53):
person who was briefed more on the call and didn't
have as much knowledge of it. So all of their
accounts lined up. They came in separately, and that's why
we random story.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Now, Mark, we don't always get a glimpse behind the
scenes of President Trump's negotiations with world leaders. We know
he can be a very forward, aggressive individual. So setting
the context for our viewers and listeners, is this a
significant shift in how President Trump and Bibi Netanyah, who

(04:23):
have interacted in the past. Does this seem like a
significant development or have they had some pretty fractious interactions
like this before.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
They have in the past. We've reported them at the
time that when Netanyahu had leased some strikes in Syria
last year, it really rankled President Trump, And there have
been other times, for instance, when the Gods of Peace
deal was being hammered out, Trump also had some very
frank conversations with him. They have a very long standing relationship.
They have shared political advisors.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
In the past.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
I would consider them to be sort of brothers, but
brothers who sometimes fight, not quite like kanaan Abel, but
can sometimes come to some pretty serious trading of words,
let's say. And so this was very consistent with that relationship.
So you didn't quite ask this question. But if someone
would think that there's some sort of rupture between the

(05:16):
two that would be permanent, I don't think so, all.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Right, So Mark the issue then is Lebanon. So you
mentioned that they unleashed Holy Hell on southern Lebanon. I
have two questions. It does feel reasonable to me that
if Israel's getting struck from terras cells that are supported
by Iran out of southern Lebanon, that that should be
a separate piece of the deal. Here, How is the

(05:39):
administration looking at those two pieces?

Speaker 6 (05:42):
Now?

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Israel has said that they're going to continue defending themselves
and there's been no change. Is that how you understand it?

Speaker 5 (05:48):
That's how we understand it. And let's face it, this
is a complicated dynamic chess board where the pieces checks
happen to be firing at each other with advanced weaponry.
And the complication in this tire matter is that Iran,
certainly from the perspective of the United States, is a
bad actor that is dedicated to the destruction of Israel,

(06:08):
and has Bulah is one of its long standing proxies.
And there is a belief and an understanding by Trump
himself as well as a belief in the administration that
Iran is probably stoking Hasbullah or some aspects or some
factions in Iran are stoking Hasbullah to attack Israel knowing
it's going to emote or prompt this response from that Yahoo,

(06:32):
which can then be used as an excuse to scuttle
the entire peace talks. And that is part of the
sort of complications of figuring out what's really happening in
the Middle East and how peace can happen, because the
reality is, the dysfunction is such where there are a
number of people and a number of factions in groups
that just sort of want to stay in perpetual war,

(06:53):
and that's one of the things President Trump doesn't want
to engage in. However, the reality is the United States
did launch these attacks initially on Iran, so we're sort
of in the thick of it now.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
I mean, as we often say on this show, you
can choose when to start a war, but you can't
necessarily choose.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
When to end it.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
But this this dynamic, you know, we we think of
command and control in the terms of the United States,
right where we have a president, a Secretary of war
and it flows down from there. What is your reporting
saying or showing mark on the command and control structure
of the Iranian regime at this point? Is it possible
there's rogue elements that are fueling this and the moderates

(07:31):
are trying to you know, put keep them at bay.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
Explain that dynamic mark.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
That's a good question is to like who's really in charge.
One of the problems that the United States is experiencing
is it's become a victim of its own success. One
of the reasons they launched the attack the way it was,
the reason President Trump green led it was to decapitate
a lot of the leadership in Iran that succeeded. However,

(07:56):
Iran was expecting this and has been wargaming this for
some time and has formed what's called the Mosaic doctrine.
It has a diffuse power structure that was designed to
withstand a decapitating blow. So you have sort of these
independent or quasi independent operators in different factions in the
ier GC and in the Iranian military proper, and so

(08:18):
different groups are probably acting in different ways. Some want
to have a peace deal, others don't, and those who
don't necessarily want a peace deal have a much easier
time making sure that there's war.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, this is super fascinating. So I just want to
reiterate you know this. I tweeted out your story yesterday. Mark,
I got immediate blowback from I would say, people that
want to see the regime overthrown in Iran.

Speaker 6 (08:49):
I just want to double check you stand by your reporting.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
You also broke the day before the President Trump, Okay,
one hundred percent. You also broke the day before that
President Trump was that they were getting rid of the
weaponization fund and and and that has proven to be accurate.
So you know, I've known you for a bit, Mark,
You've reported on us on Charlie. You've you've always been
pretty fact based, and so I took it pretty seriously

(09:13):
when you put this out there. So so we'll see
what happens, Mark Computer.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
You understand, my my my colleague Baraue Revide has a
very long and excellent track history and reporting both in
the United States and in the Middle East on these matters.

Speaker 8 (09:29):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
I felt a little more nervous about putting out what
turned out to be the accurate report about Trump scrapping
the weaponization Fund than I did about this report about
the Trump BB phone call. That is, the report that
wound up being confirmed is true. I initially had more
concerns about it, whether it was true or not. But
that was true, and I'm very confident that my sources

(09:50):
here are not lying to me.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, well, Mark, thanks for making the time. I know
you're traveling. Thanks for calling in.

Speaker 9 (09:56):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
We will watch this situation closely in any new reporting
we have on. But you know, first, first blush. You know,
when I saw it, Marks, like, oh, you know, President
Trump swearing on a phone call to a world leader
doesn't strike me as extraordinarily, you know, groundbreaking. But man,
Oman did it cause a stir So Thank thank you, Mark.
We'll talk to you soon, Yes, sir, thank you.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
I hope to talk to you soon.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Fuck all right, So I want to get into this
story a little bit. So we just had Mark Caputo on,
who was one of the reporters that broke that story.

Speaker 6 (10:27):
Blake and instantly.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
I mean, I put it out there because I thought
it was noteworthy, and I saw Mark's name on it.
I know Mark to be a pretty legit reporter. He's
by the way, just so you know a little bit
of Mark's backstory, he was working at NBC and he
wasn't given into the woke crap. He's not he's not
a jew hater, and they fired him. So he's a
He's a great intrepid old school journalist who just tell

(10:50):
he just gets scoops. That's his thing. He just gets scoops.
There's no there's no like it's like Mark Alpern. He's yeah,
he's not trying to get the admin. He's not trying
to get Beebie. I found it very interesting. And I
will tell you as somebody that we talk to a
lot of students. We have a lot of students on
this show. We're gonna be doing a special from our
CLS event with all our students. We're gonna interview a

(11:10):
bunch of them, have them on the show and get
their thoughts. Again, it's so important that this audience is
in tune with what young Americans are thinking, and they're
telling us at Turning point when they're tabling on campus.
They don't know how to defend two things. Two things,
and they have people come up and they challenge their
ideas and want to debate them. Those two things are
Epstein and pedophiles and Israel and Iran.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Right, and those attacks are It's one thing, it's inevitable
people are going to complain about the war with Iran.
There are people who dislike it, there are people who
think we shouldn't be having it. But there's another dimension
of these attacks which is very crass, and they'll just say, oh,
Trump is Benjamin Netyahu's puppet, He's Bibby's puppet. And those

(11:56):
people are often they tie it together, yea, with the
Epstein thing, where they'll say President Trump protects pedophiles.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
And well, and so when you see a story like
this where it's so clearly it exposes the lie at
the root that Trump is not Bebe's puppet. Bib and
Trump often are of one mind when it comes to things,
and when that happens, you will see them take collective action.
But there is a very serious flaw in the theory

(12:26):
that President Trump's just getting dog walked into things. Trump
went okay, So we go back to the New York
Times report. Everybody's in the situation room, bib Net Yahoo,
which you know, like Benny Johnson said, Bobe shouldn't have
been in the situation I'm actually sympathetic to that. It
does seem odd that a foreign leader would be in there,
but nevertheless he was a guest of the presidents. So

(12:46):
they're in there and they give an assessment, an intel
assessment of what's going to happen if you strike a run,
and guys like JD. Vance are publicly on the record
saying I think this is a dumb idea. Marco Rubio said, listen,
if your your goal is to take out the nukes
and the missiles, sure, but if your goal is to
regime change, this is stupid. This is a garbage report.

(13:08):
President Trump liked what he saw because he's always wanted
to take out a wrong He's always wanted to take
out Iranian nuclear capabilities. Okay, so there is a misconception
that Trump is getting dog walked into something. When Trump
sees intel that confirms what he wants already to do,
which has already been his stated goal and purpose, then
sure he's going to find common cause. But when it

(13:29):
comes to the fact that Israel is not playing ball
in Lebanon and he wants to see that conflict simmer down.
So it doesn't it doesn't rock the boat with the
Iranian peace negotiations, something he's very committed to. Then they
are at different ends of the policy, so he's going
to exert his position.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
President Trump likes to get what he wants. Shockingly, yeah,
it doesn't. That's that's why he's been president twice, in
part because they almost they said he couldn't do it,
and similar there's a lot of things he does because
people say it can't be done or other people have
failed to do it. He's that kind of He's a winner.
He likes to get wins that he thinks nobody else

(14:08):
has been able to do.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
And he doesn't fall back on common misconceptions or the
foreign policy establishment, you know, perception or conclusion that X
Y Z can't be done. He's like, I can force
this through by my sheer will and my my force
of person.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
President Trump's self conception of himself is winner. He is
a winner who gets wins. That's whether you agree or not.
That is how he sees himself. That is how he
wants to define his legacy. Now, Like we said, some
people think the Iran War is a mistake. I think
starting the Iran War was a mistake on balance, but
it is something President Trump chose to do. And I

(14:45):
don't think he chose to do it because he has
some guy in Tel Aviv or in Jerusalem dog walking
him the whole time and calling him and saying do this,
and he's like, yes, yes, master, which is the line
that crazies are putting on there.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
So let me just play this clip. So this is
I consider Megan Kelly a friend. I don't know Sean Ryan.
Obviously there's been a lot of controversy around Megan with
some of her Israel commentary and another thing she's she's
on the other side of President Trump right now. But
they did a podcast where they talk about what MAGA
is and I'm gonna I'm playing this clip because I
think they recorded this before this Axio story broke.

Speaker 6 (15:18):
But this is the misconception.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
This is this is the messaging that's going out there
to so many people. It's top thirty one, It's core MAGA.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
Now, I have no idea.

Speaker 10 (15:28):
I think I know Trump has said from the beginning
in his.

Speaker 8 (15:31):
File supporting Israeli lobby.

Speaker 11 (15:34):
I have no idea you need.

Speaker 10 (15:35):
A different acronym. But Trump has said from the beginning
that he defines what maga is. Maga is what I
say it is, he has said, and he's not wrong.
It's his moniker, it's his campaign slogan, and all along
he's defined what is and is not maga. And he
told me personally, maga will feel the way I want
them to feel. I'll tell them how to feel about this,

(15:57):
that or the other thing, and they will. And he
has been totally right on that. The problem for Trump
now is that he has defined maga literally to those
who agree with Mark Levin. If you don't agree with
Mark Levin, you're not maga, which means you must be
a neo khan whose main issue is what's in the

(16:19):
best interests of Israel.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
So I play that clip for you to explain how
deep this narrative goes within like the Internet circles and
the dark wet like if you support President Trump. They
are trying to basically say, not just necessarily Megan or
but Sean seems to say it pretty directly right there,
that you are a neokhn that you are a pedo protector,
that you are an Israel firster, whatever sort of pejorative

(16:43):
they're slinging at you, when the truth is probably much
more closely aligned with the fact that President Trump wants
what's best in the interest of America and he has
made the decision to attack Iron. He made that decision himself.
Now you can disagree with it. Blake and I been
skeptical about this Iran war from the jump. I think
Charlie was very skeptical about going into Iran. But Charlie

(17:08):
also understood that we elected President Trump to make hard decisions,
and he has proven not to get us into endless quagmires.
Now Iran is the greatest challenge yet and he's trying
to get out, and he wants peace, and he's gonna
tell everybody in his way to get the heck out.
And that's what you're seeing in this Axio story reveal.
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we have a very special segment. Many of you in
the audience are going to know that we had a
guest I guess about a month ago. Just let me
on fire. I couldn't believe it. The teachers unions are
running amuck. They're basically a super pack for the Democrat
Party and they're they're protecting child abusers, They're doing all
kinds of terrible things. And the way you break the
back of the teachers unions in this country is something

(19:17):
called school choice. It's very simple and parents love it,
students thrive on it, and the Democrats and the progressive
seem to hate it for some reason. But we have
two amazing guests here in studio that are gonna help
us under unpack this and what you can do in
the audience to take advantage of something that was inside
the one big beautiful bill, and that is Norton Rainy,
CEO of A Scholarships and Natasha Harris, co founder of

(19:40):
Colorado Christian Academy.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
Welcome to you both. Thank you, Norton.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
I've known you for a while now. It's good to
see you, sir too. All right, so I want to
make sure I got my facts straight. There's something called
the Education Freedom Tax Credit. Okay, Norton, I'm gonna start
with you. What is the education Education fore them tax credit?
And how do people watching here, whether their grandparents, parents,

(20:05):
or their students and so, how do they take advantage
of this?

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Well, first of all, what an honor it is to
be on the Charlie Kirk Show. Actually a big fan
of you. Thank you so much for just this flame,
this light that you keep going in our country. The
Education Freedom Tax Credit is truly an exciting opportunity for
our country. It's actually a groundbreaking opportunity passed into law
last year in the big beautiful Bill. President Trump signed
this in where every single state in America has the

(20:31):
ability now and every person in America to claim a
seventeen hundred dollars federal tax credit when they donate money
to a program like ACE Scholarships or a scholarship Granton organization.
And what that now means is that Americans have the
ability to give money receive a credit so kids can
go to a great private school, they can homeschool their kids,
and even children that are in a public school have

(20:54):
the ability to use this money for before and after
school programs. So this is a all encompassing program that
is good for America. And the reason why it's so
critical to your point about the Union stronghold we have
in America, is that we have a crisis in America.
We have kids right now that are being left behind.
It's a two party systems so to speak. You've got

(21:15):
the haves and they have notnch. You've got those with
money and those with money they put their kid into
a private school or live in a neighborhood where a
good public school exists. But if you're poor, you're oftentimes
trapped in a school in a zip code that's not
performing well for you. So what the Education Freedom Tax
Credit will do. It will level the playing field now

(21:37):
so that we can actually live the American dream for
our children where they can be educated, they can graduate,
they can go to college, the trades, the military, but
most importantly, whatever they decide to do, they are educated
and they have a foundation that now prepares them for life.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
I totally agree, and by the way, I just want
people to understand.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
I met Norton through Charlie.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
You know, Charlie challenge Norton to grow ace because Charlie
identified this problem long ago. He was ahead of the
curve naturally. And so I mean, you guys have been
around for what twenty six years, one hundred and twenty
one thousand scholarships of like four hundred million dollars delivered
in scholarship, So you got to proven track record. And
now this EFTC, this Education Freedom Tax Credit comes along.

(22:23):
And so if I'm a parent and you guys have
seized the opportunity, I think it's so great because it's
so important. So if I'm a parent and I've got
my kid in a failing public school, I now my
state has opted into this. By the way, Arizona's not
opting in because we have Katie Hobbs.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
Another reason.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
We need to get Andy Biggs elected here.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
So the state opts in.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
That then makes me eligible to take my kid out
of a failing public school. Can the money that I
paid for tuition I then get a tax credit on?

Speaker 6 (22:54):
Is that how it works?

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Or maybe I can't afford it, but my parents want
to chip in and help my kids.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Well, the way you leverage the tax credit is that
you give the seventeen hundred and then when you file
your taxes the next year, that's where you receive a
refund on your money when you follow those taxes. Thirty
states to date have opted in the program, and so
that's the first thing that must happen. A governor have
to says, yes, we want this program in our state.
And to the credit of a couple Democratic governors, we

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have New York and also Colorado, where our home state
where Ace was found. That Governor Jared Polis was one
of the first people to opt in this program because
he saw the value in education even in a state
that tends to be blue. So when the governor opts in,
beginning in January twenty twenty seven, what we will start,
what we'll start doing today is collecting donations of seventeen

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hundred and then the next year when they file their taxes,
they get that money back. What this will do is
that we're going to go from a program that currently
is serving sixteen thousand kids per year to hundreds of
thousands of kids, to unlocking possibilities for kids to go
to the school of their choice, to feel seats in
private schools. And what we really love is competition in America.

(24:05):
We think competition makes everyone better. And through this program,
now what's going to happen is that all boats will rise,
including even public schools.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
That's totally I totally agree with that. Yeah, go ahead, Blake.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Well yeah, it's like a lot of these unions that
we've grappled with, they hate the idea of competition because
as long as they have everyone stuck going with what
they had to offer, they have no expectations. It's a monopoly.
And what can monopolies do. They can jack up the prices,
effectively taxes their own pay. They don't need to deliver

(24:38):
a high quality product. The pressure is very low on them.
I mean, look what happened during COVID, where teachers could say,
we demand you shut down schools and we don't want
to go back because we feel it's unsafe for whatever,
and you're gonna learn through a laptop.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
This is a great transition, Natasha. So you have a
massive background in private school So I have what Blake
just described. During COVID, the public schools where I was at,
we're all closed down, but we were sending our kids
to a Christian private school, and they just got creative.
They took everything outside. You know, this is early days.
We didn't you know, so they were trying to be cautious,

(25:12):
but all the education happened outside. None of the kids
wore a mask. Our kids had no idea cow it
was even happening because the Christian school got creative and
they decided locally, Hey, we're going to keep learning, We're
going to keep meeting in person. And it benefited and
blessed my children tremendously. You have this background, you understand
the power of private school, of private education, Christian education.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
So explain that to the audience.

Speaker 8 (25:37):
Yeah, thank you for that. I think it goes back
to the family, right, It goes back to the parents
who knows their children most deeply. They know their strengths,
their weaknesses, right, their hopes, their dreams. And so when
you look at our education system and you say, we
live in the land of the free, but education we

(25:57):
don't have that choice most times, right, financial barriers to
making that choice for our kids to be able to
go to private schools or another public school right that
suits their kids' needs. And so this really I'm excited
about it because no different than COVID right where you
have innovation that comes into play to really serve the child.
That's what we should be doing an education. Come where

(26:18):
they are and what their needs are, and what their
hopes and dreams and academic goals are and meet them
where they're at.

Speaker 12 (26:25):
Right.

Speaker 8 (26:26):
We can do that with this freedom tax credit because
we put the money back in the hands of the parents,
and the parents can make that decision of what school
best suits their family and aligns with their value.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
I love that, and gosh it, I can just tell
you I've lived it. And Arizona they're trying to claw
back the school choice that Governor Doucy. By the way,
people disagree, love Doucy, hate Doocy, whatever. Deucey is a
freaking hero in my book, because Arizona is leading the
pack when it comes to school choice. You get a
seventy five hundred dollars credit every year to send your

(26:56):
kids wherever you want, and the public teachers unions hate it.
But what has happened in Arizona. You have this thriving
entrepreneurial spirit around education. You know where my kids go,
They've got like a eight hundred person waiting list the
school was only formed a couple of years ago. It's
and it's thriving, and the kids are thriving because they're
doing things a different way. They're getting back to classical education,

(27:18):
they're inspiring entrepreneurship.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
All this thing.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
The public schools are trapped in like a hell of
their own making. But then they control all this political power,
and when you break the back of that, you unleash
the American spirit in this way, right, I mean, that's
what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
But it's such a huge win. Just you think of
where if you have a child, where are they going
to spend most of their like more hours than anywhere
else in the first eighteen years of their life. It's
going to be in schools. And you concede that to
the state, to actors like unionized teachers that we know
are ideologically left wing. We know what they love to

(27:53):
push and for. As you say, I think Governor Doucy
has to be considered a hero because he is freeing
up what is by far the most important thing that
your child is going to do.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I go ahead, Oh, I was just going to say
to your point about the K through twelve system, a
child will be in school for ten thousand hours from
kindergarten through twelfth grade. And when you think about that
the book Good to Great he talks about in that
book excellence, he actually is achieved by ten thousand hours
of doing something really well.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Well.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
The same is true. If you're in a school system
for ten thousand hours and you're not being educated and
you're in the wrong place, that's not good for you. You're
going to have an opposite effect and that child will
not do well. Depression, anxiety, and suicide are greater than
ever before. But the beauty is we know that there
is a choice, there is a hope right now where
you can do something so that every child can be educated.

(28:42):
What Arizona's done is remarkable. What thirty plus states around
the country have done already opting in this program is
awesome because that's good for children and it's good for America.
It now is going to enable people to be educated,
and that's good economically for our country so that children
are not relying on the government for their.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Give us a story Norton to bring this home of
how this actually is impacting lives well.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Number One, the results are undeniable. We have so many
data points about how well our kids are doing. But
like you said, it really comes down to the stories
of our kids and our parents and how they're being
benefited by school choice. And about three months ago, the
President reached out to us and said that we're going
to do a feature on school choice for Black History Month,
and we won a story. And so I had the
honor of going to the White House with a lady

(29:27):
named Greta Alexander who's a mother of a beautiful girl
named Miracle in Dallas, Texas. And her story is heartbreaking
and it's also remarkable. At the same time, she had
an older son and he was subjected to a school
that wasn't working for him. He got involved in the
wrong audience and crowd and sadly, he committed suicide.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
He lost his life.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
And she said, I made a promise to make sure
that my younger daughter, Miracle would be educated and that
she would be in an environment that was positive and
affirming for who she is. And because of a scholarships,
her daughter, Miracle was able to go to to a
great private school in Dallas, and she truly is a miracle.
She turned her life around. She's graduating from high school
this year and when Greta stood on the stage with

(30:08):
the President next to them and said, mister President, what
you have done by signing this piece of legislation, the
Education Freedom Tax Credit, is not just going to benefit me.
It's going to benefit the hundreds of thousands of moms
just like me who are looking for hope, who are
looking for a school, but right now are subjected to
a school that's not working for our children. So you

(30:31):
are literally saving lives, not just academically, but also you
are changing lives for people now have the ability to thrive.
These stories are real. We see right now once again depression, anxiety,
and suicide greater than ever. But conversely, like you mentioned
with your kids and how they're thriving, children who are
in the right environment, they smile, they're happy, and they're

(30:52):
also optimistic about their life. And that's what we see
today with the more than one hundred and twenty one
thousand students who've been served in our close to one
hundred percent who graduate. These are real lives of kids
who now have a chance to make it in this world,
and that's a power school choice.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Our country stronger for it. Maybe Natasha talk about what
this means to some of these private schools too, right,
I mean, what a massive boon for them as well.

Speaker 8 (31:17):
Right, Yeah, it's an absolute game changer. I mean, this
is exponentially going to change the landscape of education in
the United States. You know, taking individual credit programs like essays.
I know that Arizona has that program, and we have
each of these individual states with these programs. But at
a national level, now we're going to see the opportunity

(31:39):
for hundreds of thousands of scholarships. So let's say that
ten percent of taxpayers that have a seventeen hundred dollars
tax liability participate, that's almost ten billion dollars that's going
to flow into private scholarships.

Speaker 6 (31:52):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
If you realize how big this problem is and what
that can mean to change the landscape of education in
this country. And listen, at turning point, we're so focused
on the next generation, you realize in a very innate
way how young they're getting the kids with in these
adoctrination factories and the just the dead end education. So
to hear, potentially ten billion dollars maybe more, right, I mean,

(32:14):
it's just the more people that take advantage of this,
the more money is going to flow into private education,
classical education, hybrid education. The opportunity is immense. And you
think about this kind of what Trump accounts, you know,
like thinking about this next generation. Some of the stuff
in the big beautiful bill is truly revolutionary for our
country in the best of ways. Okay, so we have
to get down to it. I like, you gotta talk Norton.

(32:37):
There's people in the audience that probably don't even really
understand what the tax credit is, how to take advantage
of it, Like the whole point of this. I want
you and the audience to feel empowered with your kid's education,
your grandkid's education, whatever that is. You have to know
what you're talking about. So break it down in layman's terms,
like what's a tax credit? How do they take advantage

(32:57):
of it? When can they take advantage of it?

Speaker 2 (32:59):
How to do it well?

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Number one is that most families in America will qualify.
The qualifying metric is three hundred percent of your meeting
income in your neighborhood, and that means a lot of
families who make four hundred thousand dollars unless per year
will qualify. So that means most Americans will have access.
This is not only for certain people. It is basically
for everyone. Secondly is that your state has to opt in.
When they opt in, that means you now have the power.

(33:22):
So if you are a parent, encourage your governor to
opt in this program and the beginning in January twenty
twenty seven, you can actually make a seventeen hundred dollars
gift to a program like a scholarships. You can make
that a one time gift. You can do multiple payments
over the year to make it easier and spread those payments.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Sound so it's just you max out per person per
taxpayer at seventeen hundred though, right, that's right, Okay, So
but I can use your feature at a scholarships.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
To do it, right, that's right?

Speaker 6 (33:50):
Good. What's the website?

Speaker 4 (33:51):
What's the what's the website that you that they should
go to.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
It's Educationfreedom tax Credit dot org. And at that point,
we will put you on our list and well inform
you and we will coach you how to make sure
that you can take advantage of this beginning in January
twenty twenty seven. It is a no brainer. It's not
like a traditional tax deduction for a charity. You truly
do receive this money back it costs you nothing, and
that means you're radically transforming America's kids will not have

(34:16):
hope in their families and you personally may also benefit
not just financially but also with your kids receiving money
as well.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
That's excellent. I mean, so your promise to this audience
is that through that website, Educationfreedom, Tax Credit dot Org, you.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Make it super simple.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Absolutely so like that person out there that hates paperwork
and all that stuff, you make it.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
This will be a seamless process. And we're so proud
we've developed a technology product which is like an HSA
program that will make it a end to end product
which is going to be seamless for you as a donor,
a parent, and a school. Also if you're a school
sign up as well. We can serve you and take
care of the administrative support and then the air thing too,
which is really important for people to understand because this

(34:59):
is really critical that when you invest in education, you're
investing in America, you're investing in a better country, and
without education, people don't have a chance for in a
level of playing field.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
This has been really informative, guys. I hope that you
and the audience realize that you are empowered now to
bless your kids, your grandkids in ways that you have
not been able to do before. And you get seventeen
hundred dollars back. There's ten billion dollars injected into the
private school ecosystem in this country. Help make it better,

(35:31):
make it great again. We're seeing in Arizona. I'm telling
you it is a breakthrough. You can break the backs
of the unions and you can ensure that the next
generation has the proper education that they need.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
So thank you guys for coming.

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Thank you.

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Join ADF dot com slash Charlie. Our stay eight to
the west. You might have heard of it. It's called California.
They got a big election today and listen, we're pulling
out all the stops for the next governor of the
great state of California. And that's Steve Hilton, who joins
us now. Steve, welcome back.

Speaker 6 (37:16):
Hey guys, great to be with you.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yeah, well, listen, you've got a lot going on today,
so thank you for making the time.

Speaker 6 (37:22):
Give us the state of play.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
I'm seeing and I don't like it, Steve, I'm seeing
polls with a certain former cabinet official of the Biden
years up at the top.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
And I don't like that at all. What is the
state of play?

Speaker 13 (37:39):
So I think that the accurate way to say it
is that we're now in a three horse race in
California for two spots. We have this insane system the
top two. That means you could have two Democrats because
the other two are Democrats.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
You've got Biden's useless form.

Speaker 13 (37:55):
HHS secretary, have you, Ebisara, And you've got the billionaire
climate fanatic Tom Star, who's spent now two hundred million
dollars more than that two hundred and twenty million dollars
if he is trying to buy this election.

Speaker 6 (38:07):
Now, here's what we're.

Speaker 13 (38:08):
Looking at with the polls. In the last week, we've
had a huge number of polls. Most of them have
shown me in the top two, some of them leading,
some of them second. One of them showed me actually third,
one point behind Tom Steier. And the truth is, when
we look at these polls, they're all telling the same stories.

(38:29):
Is getting tighter at the top because the Democrats are consolidating,
so some of their lower cat You see it right there,
Katie Porter. She was on twelve or thirteen points about
two weeks ago. Now she's right down in single digits.
So that's what's going on. The most important thing to
bear in mind, though, is that when we look at
our internal polls and some of the polls that have
been out there run by campaigns, including a poll from

(38:52):
well respected Democrat polls the last Friday that had me
leading at twenty seven, for Sarah at twenty six, Styre
at twenty two. Here's the important point. It had Chad Bianco,
the other Republican, at nine. And so the first point
to make is that in this if this was a
regular primary, as we have in most other states, then
I'll have won the Republican primary by landslide. In these polls,

(39:15):
we're doubling We're doubling Chad Bianco's vote.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Vote in all the poles.

Speaker 13 (39:20):
And that's the really important point here that I want
to emphasize to everyone who's listening and watching in California.
We've got an amazing actually outside of California wants to
help turn our state around because it's so important for America.
We've got a really important opportunity this year. It's a
golden opportunity because you can see it in the energy
around Spencer Pratt's campaign in LA. You can see it

(39:41):
on the road when we're going up and down the state,
the crowds that are coming to our events. There is
real hunger for change in California this year. That's not
just hyperbole. You can see it in the numbers. There's
an every pole, a majority, a clear majority, sometimes as
high as sixty percent say that the state is going
in the wrong direction. In other words, in the general
election in November, I truly believe we can win because

(40:03):
the level of anger at what's gone on with the homelessness,
the crime, the chaos, gas prices, housing costs, the taxes,
the fraud, the level of anger is off the charts,
and so we really can win this year, especially because
the other Democrats, these Democrat candidates are so bad.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
They've got nothing positive to offer.

Speaker 13 (40:21):
They've got offering no change only that won't happen unless
you get me in the top two. So actually, in
some ways, I think the general election is going to
be easier to navigate than this primary today. The most
important point people have to bear in mind if you're
a voter in California and you're thinking, Steve looks like

(40:41):
he's got this in most of the Polsi's in the
top two. Let's try and get Chad Bianco in the
top two and vote for him. That is a disastrous mistake.
He's too far behind, it's not going to happen. Every
vote for him or for any other candidate than me,
actually makes it more likely we'll get two Democrats, which
is a disaster.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
So please take that very seriously.

Speaker 13 (41:03):
Make sure you vote today and for the only candidate
who can realistically get in the top two, and that's me.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Yeah, and I saw you were on Laura Ingram show
yesterday last evening you called directly? Are you and Laura
sort of collectively called for Chad Bianco to drop out?
I got nothing against Chad Bianco per se, but like
he's got no chance here. Okay, So have you been
in contact is he? Is he signaling anything like throw

(41:29):
your weight behind Steve?

Speaker 6 (41:30):
And have we gotten any follow through here?

Speaker 4 (41:32):
No?

Speaker 13 (41:32):
We've tried, believe me. I mean weeks ago, I tried.
Many others have tried as well. I think we've got
to the point where it's clear that he's not going
to do that. So I'm really appealing directly to his supporters,
and I make the same point as you. Nothing personal.
I have the highest respect for the campaign he's run,
for the service he's given in law enforcement for many, many,
many decades. We agree on pretty much every policy era.

(41:56):
That was very evident during the TV debates. You have
a good relationship.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
You know.

Speaker 13 (42:00):
It's nothing personal.

Speaker 6 (42:01):
It really isn't.

Speaker 13 (42:02):
And in fact, I've said very clearly I would love
to have Chad on the team. Let's work together to
save California and whatever role he would like. But that
hasn't unlocked the path to a conversation, I'm afraid, And
so I'm just appealing directly to chad supporters, and again
I want to say very clearly, I respect that.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
I don't want to.

Speaker 13 (42:22):
Talk you out of that, except to say this, we
all want the same thing to save California Chad does.
That's why he's put himself out there this year. Everyone
who's supporting him, and right now, it's not about the
personalities or even the policies. It's actually just about the math.
It's very I hate that that's the case with this system,
but it is. And so let's not throw.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Away this chance.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Yeah, I agree, I have to play this. I don't
want to. I don't want to discourage anybody from voting.
So if you have a ballot, or if you don't
and you want to go vote, go vote in California today,
Go vote in person, drop your ballot off, whatever you
got to do. I don't care which way you do, Steve.
I don't know if you have direct action out of
how you prefer people doing this. But this story came

(43:04):
out yesterday. I just want to get your quick it's
a quick clip, get your reaction to it, and encourage
voters despite it to get out.

Speaker 12 (43:11):
Twenty seven vote by mail ballots were found burned inside
a ballot box in Los Angeles, just two days before
the California primaries. Election officials discovered the damaged ballots and
they filed a report with the police department. They say
a separate voting center was also vandalized.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Okay again, I only bring it up because I want
you to address those people in the audience, Steve that
are thinking, ah, why it doesn't matter or anything like that.
Tell them to give them the marching orders right now.

Speaker 6 (43:42):
Steve.

Speaker 13 (43:43):
Yeah, thank you. And look, there's so much wrong with
the election system here. This insane sending out ballots to
everybody when we know that the voter roles are so wrong.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
But here's the and these drop. The whole thing is ridiculous.

Speaker 13 (43:56):
But of course we can only change it if we
actually get elected. And that's why the most important message
here is the president's words in twenty twenty.

Speaker 6 (44:04):
Four make it too big to rig.

Speaker 13 (44:06):
That's the most important thing to bear in mind. Every
single vote counts, every single one. The other thing I'd
just say is actually, even here in California, we're seeing
some progress thanks to the Trump administration and in fact
my running mate Attorney General, which is that we've actually,
because of lawsuits filed by the federal government, the cleanup

(44:26):
of the voter rolls is really happening in California. Millions
of millions of incorrect names have been removed from the
voter rolls just in the last year. That's real progress.
The second thing that's a big deal is that this
insanity that we have in California, which is they count
the votes even if they arrive seven up to seven

(44:48):
days after election day. And there's been so many reports
of Shenanigan's ad around that people writing the date on
the ballot that's actually cast after election day and pretending
it was sent in before. Well, the Supreme Court is
now looking at a case we expect a ruling could
be any day that will make that illegal nationwide. Election

(45:08):
day is election day, and that's it that I'm sure
will be in effect for our general election in November
in California.

Speaker 6 (45:14):
And so the system is getting better.

Speaker 13 (45:17):
But the only way to be sure we can get
in a position to change it is to go vote
today if you haven't already.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Yeah, and guys, I just thank you for that, Steve.
The systems getting better. There are changes, the voter rolls
have been cleaned up. Some still work to do, but
these are all wind in our sales right here to
get Steve over the finish line and get him in
the top two.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
So do not lose faith.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
The worst thing you could do, whether you're a big
Pratt supporter, you're a big Steve Hilton supporter in California,
is to give in denihilism into doomerism. Just get out
and get it done today. Get your ballot in the box,
go in person, hand it off in person. Whatever it
is you gotta do, tell your boss you got to
take a long lunch, whatever, get your ballot in today,

(45:58):
get behind Steve Hilton. We have to have a viable
Republican candidate in the state of California. That is step one,
step two, Steve. And you know this well, We've got
voter ID on the ballot in November. That's gonna be
more wind in our sales. The base is going to
be motivated to get out in California needs to change desperately.
Steve Hilton. We got your back. Vote Steve Hilton today,

(46:19):
do it, do it now. Do it for California, do
it for the country. Steve, we got your back. We're
praying for a great result tonight.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Thank you, guys, appreciate it very much.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
Thanks all right.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
I want to get into something because I've been texting
back and forth with Rich Barris, who we have on
the show a lot. He's upholster and he keeps sending
me these like signals. He's like, Andrew, you don't understand.
They're getting more and more radical. The Democrat Party of
the last generation is dead. They are behold into the
activist base and slowly are being transformed into DSA. Most

(46:54):
Democrats essentially ascribed to socialism, so they're not like you know,
capitalists that like to distribute the wealth. No, they're actually
legitimately socialists. Now, so when you get blackpilled on President Trump,
if you're tempted to give into nihilism or duomerism, do

(47:15):
you not understand that what we're up against is a
socialist behemoth that is growing in size, in they're becoming
more and more radicalized.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
I mean, if you want to come a tremendous a
tremendous crisis, because yeah, we we but we lucked out
in America frankly that the Democrat Party has always been
left wing, but we dodged having this very large socialist,
overtly Marxist party. The way is very common in Europe,
it's very common throughout the Third World. Unfortunately, we have

(47:46):
imported the Third World to America, and we've imported Third
World ideologies, and that means we have young people, the
Hassan Piker followers of this world, the AOC followers of
this world, the as we're about to see Bernie Sanders
followers of this world who actually just embrace socialism, government
ownership of the means of production, and abolishing private ownership

(48:07):
of things, abolishing private property.

Speaker 6 (48:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
So let's just go ahead and play this. This is
Bernie Sanders. This is big new idea, millions of engagements.
It's not a new idea. This is as old as
Marxism itself, but nevertheless he's presenting it as a new idea.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
Thirty two.

Speaker 9 (48:23):
In the coming weeks, I will introduce the American AI
Sovereign Wealth Fund Act. This legislation would give the public
a direct ownership stake in the largest AI companies in
America through a one time fifty percent tax, not on profits,

(48:43):
but on stock. It would guarantee that the trillions potentially
created by AI are used to improve the lives of
all of us, not simply to make the richest people
on earth even richer.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
So, Blake, you're a scholarly man, and you know the Constitution.
Where in the Constitution does it say you can just
seize the means of production?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Well, so you Actually the sad thing is is you could.
You would just have to compensate them for it. Although
that's why he's clearly framing it as a tax. If
he says, if I frame it as a tax, then
it's not a Taking's the way it usually would be.
If the government's going to seize your house, then they
have to pay.

Speaker 6 (49:24):
You for the house or things like inminute domain.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, exactly, do they have to pay you for the
house for public purpose? But if he's framing it as
a tax, clearly his gambit is we can just take
fifty percent of your company and it's a tax, it's
not a taking. You don't have to pay them five
hundred billion dollars or whatever it would be for it.
And it's also, besides being a scholar of the constitution,
scholar of history, it's a very sinister thing that he's

(49:47):
doing because if you want to look, it's very easy
to spin this. Some people, oh, hey, I it's big,
it's rich, we're taking it for the public good. But
so many countries declines begin when you decide to have
the government take over what is a thriving private sector endeavor.

Speaker 6 (50:02):
Britain.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Britain used to be as rich as the United States.
Britain used to be the world's most powerful empire. They
did it on the backs of free enterprise. They were
the Silicon Valley of their day was Central England, and
then they nationalized everything. After World War Two they went
in a very socialist direction. Britain's never been the same
since they did that. And you can just say America,

(50:24):
there's a reason America generated all these big AI companies that,
however you feel about them, have been tremendously successful and innovative.
And they're not coming up out of Latin America, they're
not coming out of Europe. Those are countries that don't
have our successful private sector exactly.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
So America legitimately has all these advantages that are baked
into the cake that we fail to understand and appreciate.
Now and then these new wave of DSA, Democrats, socialists
or whatever, which is just code for basically socialists to communists,
they're somewhere on the spectrum is they are misrepresenting our history.

(51:00):
They don't appreciate the capital markets and the way they
move with such ease and fluidity, and how massive a
boon that is to entrepreneurs and guys like mom, Donnie.
You know, Bernie Sanders was the forerunner of a lot
of this stuff. I mean, he vacationed, he honeymooned in Russia. Okay,
let's just put Bernie Sanders in a certain and by
the way, you think Russia is all this great, like, listen,

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Russia is Putin's right about some things.

Speaker 6 (51:22):
Okay, that does not mean that Russia.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Is honeymoon in Russia in the Soviet Social.

Speaker 6 (51:27):
Union, fair enough.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
But here's this is why it's nerve wracking to me.
It is because you got mom Donnie saying the same things.
Bernie is top thirty three.

Speaker 7 (51:35):
We have to continue to elect more socialists, and we
have to ensure that we are unapologetic about our socialism.
There are also other issues that we firmly believe it,
whether it's BDS right or whether it's the end goal
of season, the means of production, where we do not
have the same level of support at this very moment.

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And what I want to say is that it is
critical the way that we organizes, the way that we
set up our set up our work and our priorities,
that we do not leave any one issue for the other,
that we do not meet a moment and only look
at what people are ready for, but that we are
doing both of these things in tandem.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
It's not as sexy to talk about free markets and
why it's important compared to the past, even on the
American right, but it's still incredibly important. Go look at
average incomes in the United States since the Great Recession
in two thousand and eight versus how it's gone in Europe.
Europe used to be pretty comparable to US and incomes.
Now we're lapping them. And the reason we're lapping them
is we have a more free market system. They have stagnated.

(52:39):
We have grown and we frankly should not abandon that.
And another thing to highlight, especially with AI. You think
a government that owns fifty percent of AI and then
we might have a Democrat administration again, eventually, inevitably we
will because we have elections. Everything is subordinate to leftism.
For the left, you think they're gonna maybe demand, oh
your AI model, what sort of world do we want

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Speaker 6 (53:01):
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Speaker 2 (53:02):
How much hate speech do you allowed. Let's make sure
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in motion. Go to Andrewantodd dot com Today, without further ado,
I will introduce our guests in studio, and that's Mike
Cavanaugh to Welcome to the studio.

Speaker 14 (54:27):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Yeah, so I first connected with you just like on Twitter.
DM Actually and I noticed you you had written a
song after Charlie was assassinated, and I thought it was
so beautiful, and I could tell that your heart was
just so in this, like in the right space, and
your heart was to tell Charlie's story and to lift

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up a great man in a world that is unaccustomed
to doing so. But that was my perception. Why did
you write a tribute song to Charlie Kirkmike?

Speaker 14 (54:56):
Yeah, Well, the day it happens, like many of I
was at a lot of emotions. Anger was one of them.
And you know, I didn't consider it right away writing
a song. I actually a friend of mine had written
a song about Charlie Kirk and I happened to see
it on X and I commented on it. I said,
like a good job with song, and then he said

(55:18):
your turn, and that put the idea in my head.
And then.

Speaker 15 (55:22):
Everything was still very raw.

Speaker 14 (55:23):
I mean, I think it was only a few days
after it happened, so my emotions were still very raw.
And I remember picking up the guitar and you know,
thinking all right, maybe I do have something to say,
and about ten fifteen minutes of like strumming around, I
remember just like saying out loud, I don't really have
a song today, and then I said, well, that could
be the line of a song, and I kind of

(55:45):
went from there.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
Yeah. Yeah, isn't that interesting kind of when you get
stripped bare of like what you think you're supposed to say,
and you just say what you actually that's right, mean
and feel what's real? How you kind of end up
arriving at a deeper truth. I've seen this song everywhere
now on x it's really blown up and one of
the you know, people that have been promoting it is

(56:08):
our friend Tommy Robinson over in the UK. You went
over to the UK to sing this song live in
front of like tens of thousands of people.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
What was that like?

Speaker 4 (56:17):
It's incredible, very and how did you get connected with Tommy?

Speaker 14 (56:20):
Yeah? Same thing on xx as it can be an
amazing place. It can be a crazy place too, but yeah,
I know he heard my music and say.

Speaker 15 (56:28):
Mate, you gotta come over and sing it. Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 14 (56:30):
Really do, And so yeah, we connected and yeah he's like,
we're doing a Charlie Kirk tribute. We love you to
sing the song and the rest of his history.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yeah, it's incredible, It really speaks to just what what
a figure he was around the world that we saw.
We saw memorials in in Britain, we saw them in Serbia,
we saw them in Japan and Korea, and even in
groups you wouldn't expect. I remember a religious service in
Charlie's honor was at a I'm not sure what they
call it, but like a Sikh temple, they had a service.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
I heard stories out of Iran, believe it or not,
of like missionaries in Iran. These Iranian kids are getting converted,
and when Charlie was killed, they were just filled with
the Holy Spirit and they went out proclaiming the Gospel.
And they said, if Charlie was courageous enough to do this,
you know, we want to be courageous like Charlie.

Speaker 14 (57:18):
I just say, I've never seen that many people be
silent before too. During the tribute footage. I mean, it
was really something. I do believe God was honored in that.
I know it, I know it.

Speaker 6 (57:30):
It's this.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
One of our friends said, the Holy Spirit was humming
like a tuning folk in that memorial.

Speaker 6 (57:37):
Why don't we play the song?

Speaker 4 (57:40):
And uh, this is tell us the name and and
all of that.

Speaker 14 (57:45):
Yeah, the name of the song is called the Voice
of the Age. You can find it on iTunes if
you enjoy it, and it is a tribute to Charlie crew.

Speaker 16 (58:06):
I don't have a song today. I can't seem to
find the right words to say. I remember time when.

Speaker 15 (58:23):
Freedom we rad.

Speaker 16 (58:28):
I'm talking to Anne ready to say now we lost
the voice of the A gotten down and immers rage.

Speaker 15 (58:53):
I don't want a civil war. No, only God knows.
That's what it's for, though, Gonna says name Jolly Kirk
dda mar not babe. Mm hmm. Now, Lord, bring revival

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to the man.

Speaker 16 (59:29):
Christ is Lord on the lips of every woman, man,
widow Christ out, I forgive you now, man, let's go free.

Speaker 15 (59:45):
Gonna say his name, Charlie Kirk dieda mar not bad.

Speaker 11 (01:00:06):
Gonna says.

Speaker 15 (01:00:11):
Jolly Kirk.

Speaker 11 (01:00:13):
Nothing, Gunna says.

Speaker 15 (01:00:33):
Jolly Kirk.

Speaker 16 (01:00:34):
Got more.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Excellent. Yeah, that's that chorus, Man, Charlie Kirk died a
mart or, not in vain.

Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
Amen.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
I wish he was here with us, but only God knows. Right. Yeah,
that was beautiful, man, Thank you so much. We played
some of the clips that you put together. Studio did
a great job actually syncing it up. With your your lyrics,
A good job studio.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
What is.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
What has it been like writing this song and the
reaction from people, and you know, in a bigger question,
what does Charlie sort of mean? Do you think as
you've toured this song around and you've seen people's reaction.

Speaker 14 (01:01:34):
Yeah, that's a great question.

Speaker 15 (01:01:37):
Yeah, Charlie.

Speaker 14 (01:01:38):
I mean he was obviously so gifted and intelligent and
charismatic and all these things, but I really think the
biggest thing about him was his courage. And I think
that that's what resonates with people. It's certainly what resonated
with me, because I think the thing about courage is
you don't you don't need to have all those gifted

(01:01:59):
You don't need to be gifted like Charlie to have courage.
You can have The ordinary person can have courage. And
so to see a Christian man who had courage, the
courage of his convictions, and I think that's what's residence
was resonated with me. That's what I think resonating with
other people with the song.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
He he said he wanted to be remembered for courage
for his faith, and he always talked about courage and
said the crazy good thing about courage is that you
don't need to be skilled to have it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:29):
It's a choice.

Speaker 14 (01:02:31):
And I think I ripped him off with Mike quotes.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
Yeah, yeah, he didn't know it's fair though. I mean
he would tell that to people. It's like, Okay, you
don't have a degree. Okay, you don't have any special
skills at least not yet. Do you have courage? You
can choose to have courage. And I think like when
I first met Charlie, that was the thing that stood
out to me too, was that how boldly he said things.
He didn't couch things and sort of I think or

(01:02:54):
I believe, or you might disagree or what like, he
just said it.

Speaker 14 (01:02:58):
Yeah, I think too my self, just self reflection after
the song. After Charlie died, I had realized, like in
my own life, I hadn't shown a whole lot of courage,
and I think when he died something did change within me.
And I said, you know, because I think if if
more of us were courageous and speaking the truth, Blie,
it wouldn't have had to have happened, you know. And

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so I felt partly like, man, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Deep part of it. Yeah, So that's really I mean,
that's quite a thing you just said. Yeah, that's an encouragement,
I guess to me and to blake to all of us,
to everybody watching listening. If more of us were courageous,
you know, people like Charlie wouldn't have to live in fear.

(01:03:45):
That's some crazy person you know, could do something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
If all of us were courageous, I don't think the
entire world couldn't stop. Yeah, the Gospel of the movement.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
We just got a live studio performance from Mike Cavana,
who just wrote a beautiful tribute song to Charlie Kirk. Mike,
how long have you been? By the way, it's called
the Voice of the Age. I want to make sure
everybody isn't the name go do iTunes by it today?

Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
We want to chart.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
I wanted to go off the charts and support Mike
because he's just telling the truth, which is a rarity
in the art artistry world these days.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
It seems how long you've.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
Been playing music and what's your background and tell us
a little bit about yourself.

Speaker 14 (01:04:28):
Yeah, I've been playing music my whole life. My parents
started me on the piano when I was five. I'm
from Boston, Massachusetts, originally living in North Carolina now, But yeah,
I started early. I like most young boys, I was
more interested in basketball than I was a piano when
I was younger. But when I was older, I started
to get into it more and started writing my own stuff.

(01:04:51):
And so I've been doing it for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Is that your full time gig? And like, are you
kind of mix and match.

Speaker 14 (01:04:56):
Or trying to?

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Yeah, yeah, so we need to support my he can
do this full time and write more beautiful music like this. So,
you know, politics, especially for an artist, it can be tricky,
obviously when you put your name to something like this
with Charlie, there are ramifications, right, especially in music because

(01:05:18):
you know you've seen it with the America two fifty,
all the artists dropping out. We should get you to
go sing a song. We honestly, that's not a terrible idea,
and he should sing the song at America two fifty.

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
We'll put a word in.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
But I mean, you know, explain that that dynamic like
you know it we put on concerts at turning point.
It's hard, like a lot of artists are scared of that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
What's it like for you?

Speaker 14 (01:05:43):
Yeah? Sort of around the time I wrote this song
is in a four or five month period. There is
really the when I started experimenting putting my toe on
the water and writing songs that were about the issues
of the day more specifically. And it's been sort of
like this polarization of some people are just like, that's great,

(01:06:05):
and then some of the worst hate you can imagine
as you guys, I'm sure understand. But yeah, I think,
like you know that Charlie helped push me into that
because I what I realized is like, nobody cares if
you're just I mean, as a Christian, like I sing
about sin, I sing, I use the words sin, I
use the word and everyone's kind of like, that's great,

(01:06:28):
good for you. Once you start naming the actual sins
of the age, that's when you know it pricks everybody.
And but in order for the Holy Spirit to convict
a person, they can't just be understand that there's sin
in general. You have to understand what the sin is
in order to turn and be and be saved. So
I I kind of like that just kind of clicked

(01:06:50):
with me somewhat recently. God kind of showed that to
me and and so, but like all of these issues
are wrapped up in politics, but they're also all just
biblical issues. They're not there's not this separate category of politics.
In this other category is like God's stuff, like God's
all truth, is God's truth. God cares about all these things,

(01:07:11):
and we should be talking about that, and that's what
you guys do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
That's I'm glad you said that because that actually it's
so similar to what Charlie would talk about that you
can't separate the two because everything relates to the Gospel,
everything relates to questions of sin and moral righteousness, and
also I think getting back to courage. That's what made
Charlie such an icon. He was an icon to young

(01:07:36):
people even though he was routinely going on campuses, going
on TikTok, going on x and saying, here's all these
things I know all of you love to do. All
of them are bad. You should stop doing them. You
should just get married, you should have kids.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Yeah, no premarital sex, no drugs, no you know, no
debacher it like we call it licentiousness. Our founders called
it licentiousness.

Speaker 6 (01:07:57):
He named it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
He preached a gospel against this time, and yet he
was loved by millions of people who many of them
didn't necessarily follow him, many of them, if they did,
it very imperfectly so, but they recognized how tremendous he
was and that he one hundred percent lived what he
preached him believed.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
We are temples of the Holy Spirit, and we are
designed to recognize truth when we hear it, it resonates
in our spirit.

Speaker 14 (01:08:22):
And music is very powerful for that purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
Can It's been used for powerfully for the wrong ends
so much, and I just I when I get to Heaven,
God willing, I'm going to ask the Lord why music
has been so bastardized, by incorrupted and used for such
I mean, I think it's because it is so powerful,
and the enemy of goodness understands the power of music.

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So when somebody chooses to use that art form in
a powerful way just to sing truth, to speak truth,
it's it's incredibly powerful. And I think that's ultimately why
some of the memorial people remember it. It was exposing
millions of people to actual worship, and it's like prostrated worship.

Speaker 14 (01:09:10):
It was amazing. Yeah, that event, Yeah, incredible.

Speaker 6 (01:09:12):
Did you watch it?

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Yeah? I mean being in the room. Yeah, And there's
some some be roll of it. It was profound because
you know, we all go to not we all, but
those of us who go to church on Sundays and
we worship, like sometimes your heads in and sometimes you're not.
And in this moment, it was like we were all
so gutted and so traumatized by what had just happened.

Speaker 6 (01:09:34):
So to be in that room.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Like the Lord had our full attention, and it really
truly was a powerful, powerful moment.

Speaker 14 (01:09:45):
You see so many prominent people and government other places
get up in the mic and proclaim the Gospel was
I never thought I would see, even like five or
six years ago, You'd never thought I would see something
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
And you could see that they were moved by the
Holy Spirit as well. Like I've told this story before,
but you know, jd. Vance, I'm in the I'm backstage.
I'm watching his speech because they had it. You know,
it's on the teleprompters, and he ad lived the best
line out of his speech, which is said, I've talked
about Jesus Christ more in the last two weeks, and
I have in my entire political career, by public life.

Speaker 6 (01:10:15):
And that wasn't on the script.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
He just it came to him and he proclaimed Jesus's
name loudly and without shame or embarrassment, and that was powerful.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
It was powerful for our nation.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
And one of the reasons I love having you here
is because there's been some debate about whether the revival
has been blunted or it's been hijacked, and I say no,
because I believe what God has unleashed man cannot stop.
And you are living proof of that, and that this
song is gaining traction and gaining attention from guys like
Tommy Robinson in the UK and Real America's voice is

(01:10:46):
now getting behind what you're doing as well, and we
want this thing to chart. So if you want to
see God's Revival continue, if you want to see Charlie's
legacy continue to spread and become more and more important,
back this song, back Mike Cavanaugh and the truth that
he's singing in it, go to iTunes pick it up.
The Voice of the Age. I love that title, by

(01:11:07):
the way, thanks man.

Speaker 14 (01:11:09):
It took a while to come up with.

Speaker 6 (01:11:10):
It's it really it's so apropos for Charlie.

Speaker 14 (01:11:13):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
Final thirty seconds to you, Mike, what do you what
do you want people to take away? From this, and
what's your encouragement for them?

Speaker 14 (01:11:20):
Yeah, I mean as much as I want to honor
Charlie and the song, I want to honor our Lord
and Savior Jesus Christ above all. And so I would
just want to say, if you don't know the Lord,
repent of your sins and believe in him and you
can have eternal salvation, because that really is the message,
and that is what the truth of everything that Charlie spoke,

(01:11:41):
the truth all pointed was going toward that, and I
was I know what he wanted the most, and that's
what and that's what I want the.

Speaker 11 (01:11:48):
Most as well.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
Yeah, it's it's not necessarily popular to say, but it's
the most powerful thing you can say, Repent and be saved,
turn to Jesus.

Speaker 6 (01:11:56):
Thank you, Mike, Yeah, thank you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
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