Graham Platner, Democrat Standardbearer

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Speaker 3 (01:17):
All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's Monday,
June first, which you know, of course means heterosexual awareness.
Heterosexual awareness has begun. We will hopefully not have to
get into that. I've seen that the MLB has already
stepped in it, so we might have to cover this
in some detail at some point, but I am holding

(01:38):
out hope that we've returned to our senses. The golden
ears upon us for June being reclaimed by saying people,
but we will see.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
We also have the hearing in the Tyler Robinson case
that has just begun in Utah. We are monitoring that,
we have the feed live. We're looking for decisions from
Judge graft On basically two main things. One will one
of the members of the prosecution be held in contempt. He,

(02:06):
as you might remember, made some comments, very subtle comments.
They weren't he wasn't being bombastic in any way, shape
or form. But following that Daily Mail headline that we
made much noise about on this show saying the bullet
didn't match the gun. That was fake news, clickbait, and
they made a comment this prosecutor made a comment to
the media clarifying the record the defense wants him held

(02:30):
in contempt. The judge's going to make a decision on
that today. Secondly, there are some issues involving video, whether
the media will have access to the video.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
They already ruled that the trial itself will have cameras. Yes,
this is specifically on the preliminary hearing, which we've had
a year of song and dance about getting to the
preliminary here. And there's essentially two main videos that are
in question that are of the incident. I'm told the
prosecution gave a bit of a lukewarm defense of these

(03:01):
videos apparently are already public. I'm I feel mixed.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
I don't want any blocking of any media access to anything.
But on the one hand, this is to Blake's point
in the preliminary hearing, these are videos of the incident.
I don't want to see those. I don't think it
is edifying in any way to sort of reshow those
those videos, So that possibility would be with the media
cameras be able to be locked on. Judge graf as

(03:28):
opposed to showing the videos themselves, and I guess you
would just see his reaction to watching the videos. So,
and there's a couple other videos that are less noteworthy
that are in question with that ruling, So you might
get a split ruling where he allows some of them
to be covered by the media, some of them not to. Again,
these are videos that are in the public domain already.

(03:49):
And anyway, so we're we're oh, we have news. They
found this prosecutor in contempt. I don't believe that that
will mean that he'll be removed from the case, but
he has been found in contempt for violating said gag order.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
And so we'll get that.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Clip in just a second to see if we can
get details on that. So hang tight right there, more coming.
We're gonna have details in just a second. So that's
the first breaking held in contempt. But we're getting those
clips right now. So a lot's happening today. Obviously there's
a Ran and then there's Platner, there's Delaney Hall. We're

(04:28):
gonna have Rachel Campos Duffy join us at the half
hour here. She's got a great new book out about
celebrating America's two fiftieth Erica Kirk wrote the forwards, and
we want to celebrate that book. It's apparently flying off
the shelves doing very well, and we're going to talk
about some other things.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Delaney Hall.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
We've got our front Lines TPOSA front lines journalists that
have been covering it all weekend joining us tell us
their first hand experience.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
We tell them what Delaney Hall is. This is an
ice facility in New Jersey. It's become one of the
latest thing that the left has. One of those long
running sieges of fast Nation with some of those things
about the left. They can fixate on something, have kind
of jobless goons show up from around the country and
just permanently fixate.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
On it in a way that the right doesn't really do.
For things. Well, it's one of their biggest strategic assets.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, they've got foot soldiers and there his complaints about
the food and you know, all this kind of stuff.
By the way, they did publish a menu that is
available for detainees at the ice facility, and it's like omelets.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
It's so ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
And you just know that if they have their way
in five years, ten years, really for decades on end,
they'll turn this into some sort of all time or atrocity.

Speaker 6 (05:44):
It'll be it'll be like it'll.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
Be it'll literally be like Auschwitz and then delayny haul.
That's the mythology they want to create. A lot of
the left's ideology is endlessly attempting, frankly, endlessly attempting to
recreate the Nazis everything. They They have no morality other
than fighting Nazis. They have no moral conceptions other than
make sure World War two in the Holocaust doesn't happen again.

(06:08):
It's a very childish and immature morality, but it's one
that they've gotten a lot of mileage out of.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Well.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
And so while we're sort of waiting for those clips
from the hearing, we are going to be talking a
little bit about Graham Plattner, because this race I don't
believe we've given enough attention to. But he's of course
running to be the next senator from the state of Maine.
He's going up against Susan Collins, who is Yeah, she's

(06:34):
a Republican, she's a moderate, she votes with us, votes
against us. But in Charlie's words, we always graded Susan
Collins on a scale, on a sliding scale, because she
was always there when we needed her, whether that be justices, judges,
there's a lot of vote trading that goes on, and
if that makes her electable in the state of Maine,
a blue state where we're not going to get anybody better,
I'm here for it. We lay off Susan Collins, even

(06:57):
though it can be frustrating a ton.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
But the big news over.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
The weekend was that Graham Plattner, this guy who used
to have a Nazi tattoo on his chest, he got
it removed.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
He said he didn't know what it was.

Speaker 6 (07:06):
He didn't even remove it, covered it up.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
And then he's also made comments about military vets purple
heart heart recipients, saying they didn't deserve to live. The
guy's a total creep and a scumbag in basically every
conceivable way. But he's kind of going the John Fetterman
route where he doesn't wear a suit and tie. He
just wears like a sweatshirt. He's an oyster farmer. He's
one of us, he's one of the man of the people.
But it's worse than that. He's actually just a scumbag.

(07:32):
He's a really nasty guy that go you know that
essentially every form of degeneracy you can imagine, he's engaging it.
Right So now we find out that he's got profiles
on these really salacious dating apps, will call him dating
apps to be generous, but some have accused this specific app,
called the kick app, to be essentially a sexual exploitation app.

(07:53):
He's quoted as saying he's got really loose morals when
it comes to this type of thing. It's very flexible
about it. But he is married. And what's interesting now
is that his wife. This has become a big controversy,
but his wife has now come out and basically defended him,
so we'll give her her due.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Stop thirty.

Speaker 7 (08:12):
I find it really shameful that there's a group of
media outlets and people who are willing to spread gossip
instead of talking about real issues that Graham is running on.
I just really wanted to make sure that everyone knows

(08:36):
that Graham and I have a great marriage. Being married
is hard. Our marriage counselor helps, My personal counselor helps,
Graham's personal counselor helps, and we work on our mental
health every day. No marriage is perfect, so when there

(09:00):
are news articles about our marriage, it's just extra.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
City what that's just absolutely wacky us.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Just so you know, there's not one counselor that's dealing
with their mental health. There's not two counselors that are
dealing with the mental health, there's three. They have a
personal for each, and then they got a marriage counselor.
That's an extraordinary amount of mental health work that's being
done just to keep a run of the middle marriage together.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
You'd be the judge. More on that in just a second.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I also want to give a shout out to Tina
Peters in Colorado. Congratulation, congratulations to Tina Peters.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
On being released.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
She was on war Room earlier this morning, so we
just want to say a quick word to her. Governor
Polis actually commuted her sentence with a lot of pressure
from President Trump, So God bless Tina Peters.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
I want to hit an update.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
We have several updates on the unfolding Tyler Robinson hearing
that's going on. First of all, it's actually it's not
quite the case that they've been found in contempt yep.
The judge instead he granted a defense motion for an
order to show cause. Basically, they had claimed there's contempt
issues because members of the prosecutor had spoken to media outlets,
and now the judge has set an evidentiary hearing for

(10:08):
that for June twelfth. Basically, each side is going to
present ninety minutes of evidence and then that will determine
then the judge we should determination on the contempt issues.
So not a ruling, basically just said it merits a hearing,
we have another hearing. And then in addition, they apparently
the judge has ruled just now that media and the

(10:30):
public will have access to the preliminary hearing which was
also being contested. And I don't know if there's final
rulings on the specific everything.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Everything is public what.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
I'm hearing, so I'm not mad at that.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Again, there's some of those videos, like you know, I
actually would think it would be appropriate to sort of
probably take the camera off those videos or not show
those videos.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
It is what it is.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's very clear to me that Judge Graph is being
very deliberate, very careful. And again we've laid this out
on this show before, We've talked with experts about this.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
This whole trial.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
There is such a mountain of evidence against Tyler Robinson
that you're already kind of you know, and we've had
this explain to us.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
These the growth the prosecution and the defense.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Are playing for appeals. They're playing for future appeals. They
want the defense wants to screw up the judge wants
to screw up the prosecution. Make them do silly things,
unwise things, be rushing, anything that they could get this
case to be overturned on appeal. The defense is going
to be pursuing right, So Judge Grapp being very deliberate,

(11:39):
it seems to be he's very cognizant of what the
strategy from the defense is.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
So it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
So we've got yet accordingly that this is a quote
from Judge Graft. The Court grants defendant's motion for order
to show cause. The issuance of this order reflex the
determination the defendant has made a sufficient preliminary showing under
UTAH a lot of warrant further proceedings and does not
constitute a finding of contempt.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Does not.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
So that's Judge graph on cameras. The Court, however, acknowledges
defendants pending motion in the mind to preclude eleven oh
two evidence and reserving ruling that on that issue until
the matter has been fully briefed and heard. To Blake's
earlier point, it's all going to be public though. That's
that's where this is. This is the order of the court,

(12:29):
which it overall the way we want to. As you said,
it's unpleasant if they literally are showing the video, but
one I suspect a lot of news outlets just won't
do that because they usually avoid that sort of thing.
And seconds they're all public anyway.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
So yeah, these videos are public.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
I just can't help but think about Erica and you know,
in moments like this, and you know, I'm not again,
I think it's good to be more public than not.
Let's put it that way. I'm glad that there was
a bent towards you know, being everything being public and known.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
So it's just that particular the incident I don't think
anybody ever needs to see again, you know, that's my
personal feeling on the matter. We ended the last segment, however,
talking about Graham Plattner and they have. It was revealed
that they have three not just one, not two, but
three counselors.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
Three counselors, the marriage counselor.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
I mean, it looked like a hostage video practically, the
way she was describing it.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
It seemed very detached.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
It was not.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
You certainly didn't get the sense of overflowing love and
joy coming out of it, which I can't really blame her.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
It's an embarrassing story. Had the pressure she had to go.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
And find she had to go and find the text messages,
and then she'd reported them to basically she reported them
to the campaign that she'd found these things, so they're
aware of this, and then this is now trickled out
about a year or later. So it's very it's very
humiliating and embarrassing. And there's a lot of these things
with Graham Platner because we basically have photos of him

(14:08):
on the dating app where it's very clear he seems
to be angling to cover up his tattoo that he
says he did not know was a Nazi tattoo when
he got it, probably, which means yeah, he means.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
He probably did.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
And on top of that, it's just there's so many
things with him, and yeah, we can show the video.

Speaker 6 (14:25):
Yeah, let's let's show that.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Well, there's this video of Ai reading his Reddit comments.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Oh, which, yeah, let's go for it. Let's do that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Twenty two and now for a dramatic greeting of Graham
Platner's Reddit comments, Holy.

Speaker 8 (14:39):
How about people just take some responsibility for himself and
not get soked up they wind up having sex with
someone they don't mean to. Rape is a real thing.
If you're so worried about it to buy kevlar underwear
you think you might not get blacked out up around
people you aren't comfortable with. Why don't black people tip?
I work as a bartender, and it always amazes me
how solid this stereotype living in white rural America. I'm

(15:03):
afraid to tell you they actually are. I got older
and became a communist, still got the guns, though I
don't trust the fascists to act politely.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Oh great, so we have basically have an adulteress. We
have an adulterous Nazi tattoo redditor. Not very pleasant. But
I think there's something important to note here, which is
this stuff has been trickling out for him for months,
about a year now, and people don't care. His campaign
has only gained momentum. The sitting governor of Maine, Janet Mills,
dropped out of the race because she was basically going

(15:35):
to get mascued by him and didn't want to get
humiliated going all the way to the primary.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
He's only gained momentum.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
There are polls that show him actually leading the incumbent
Republican Senator Susan Collins.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
Now that doesn't mean we're going to lose.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
Susan Collins trailed every poll the last time that she
ran and actually won easily. She does seem to have
special poll defying powers. But there's real reasons for concern
in this race, and I think it signals something worrisome
are important, which is Democrats. They've internalized some of the
logic of Donald Trump himself, which is just steamroll through everything,

(16:13):
apologize for nothing, and at least among Democrats, you can
get away with a lot now because everything is secondary
to just get the win, take down the Republicans, and
they'll pick whoever they want.

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Rachel Campos Duffy, one of our friends and favorites, author
of All American Patriotism, new book out, and she's also
the co host of Fox and Friends Weekend. Rachel, good

(17:53):
to see you.

Speaker 9 (17:54):
It's so good to be on with you guys. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Well, it's an honor to have you.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
We wanted to celebrate this book book because obviously it's
an amazing book and it's part of our two fifty.
There it is, there's the beautiful cover. But Erica Kirk
also wrote the forward to this, which was a great honor,
and I know that that was something you worked hard
on getting and we were honored to have her be

(18:19):
a part of this project.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
So tell us about the project.

Speaker 9 (18:21):
Well, first of all, let me.

Speaker 10 (18:22):
Give you a little announcement, which is that it just
said the New York Times bestseller List.

Speaker 9 (18:26):
It's number three right now.

Speaker 10 (18:27):
So we're really excited about it. I know people are
really really responding to it. I think that there's a
desire to return to the way, frankly, the way we
Gen xers were raised.

Speaker 9 (18:41):
You know, we were just raised to love this country.

Speaker 10 (18:44):
And when we talked about wanting to fix America or
change something a policy, or make it better or restore it,
it was through this prism of love. It's that we
loved America so much that we wanted to make her
even better. It wasn't that we were trying to tear
America down, tear down its statues, tear down its founders,

(19:07):
fundamentally transform it.

Speaker 9 (19:08):
It was through this prism of love. And I think
over the last.

Speaker 10 (19:12):
Couple generations, because of Howard's inn and this sort of
Marxist perspective that has been foisted on America's youth k
through college, they're getting it. It's really the primary source
of history that's being taught right now. We're just seeing
kids being very ambivalent about America, very you know, almost

(19:35):
embarrassed or.

Speaker 9 (19:35):
A shame of our history and our founding.

Speaker 10 (19:40):
And so this book is really about turning the page
on that, especially with this incredible two hundred and fiftieth
anniversary that we're about to celebrate, and saying it's time
to embrace America, to love her again, to be proud
of her, to go out and see her on a.

Speaker 9 (19:57):
Road trip with your friends, go out or your.

Speaker 10 (20:00):
Family, and really start to reconnect with with.

Speaker 9 (20:05):
With each other. And so each each chapter.

Speaker 10 (20:08):
Andrew Is is an essay. So I asked my favorite
friends at Fox, different hosts from different places and regions
in America, just write an essay. Why do you love America?
What does it mean to you? Why are you so
patriotic and each of them did. I wrote an introduction
to each of those chapters. I wrote my own chapter,

(20:29):
and I wrote it. I wrote an introduction to the book,
and that's sort of how the book is is put together.

Speaker 9 (20:34):
And yes, I asked Erica to to.

Speaker 10 (20:37):
Do the forward because I was wanting to ask Charlie
to do it, because, you know, next to President Trump,
who else represents, you know, being the ultimate cheerleader for America.
No one you know publicly pronounced their love for America
more than Charlie Kirk and President Donald Trump. And Charlie

(20:58):
Kirk had such a connection to you young people, and
I wanted young people.

Speaker 9 (21:01):
To read this book.

Speaker 10 (21:03):
And the feedback I'm getting about it from young people
is they are sort of I'm not going to say jealous,
but they pined for the way.

Speaker 9 (21:12):
I was raised, which was, you know, as I.

Speaker 10 (21:15):
Said to just, we were just raised to love America
and not to be ashamed of it, in fact, to
proclaim how exceptional it was all the time.

Speaker 9 (21:23):
And I think they want that.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
I might be putting you on the spot a little bit,
but I'm looking here. You got your different stories and
it mentions of course, your husband, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy.
He looks back on your family road trip right here
to Arizona, to the Grand Canyon, and I was wondering
if you could tell Charlie loved the Grand Canyon.

Speaker 10 (21:44):
He did love the Grand Cans, so our family took
a road trip this year. But that chapter is about
his trip to the Grand Canyon with his mom and
his brother and his sister. And that's that's that's what
that chapter is about.

Speaker 9 (21:58):
And it was interesting.

Speaker 10 (22:00):
A lot of people's chapters or essays, you know, this
is a collection of essays were about road trips, and
even Erica talked about the road trips that her and
Charlie took in the forward. I just want to read
you really quick, just the first couple lines of the
forward written by Erica. She said, Charlie never got to
see America turn two fifty, and some days that thought

(22:23):
still settles heavy in my heart.

Speaker 9 (22:25):
He would have loved it because he loved the visible.

Speaker 10 (22:27):
Reminders of who we are in America and as a country.
He believed America was meant to be seen and celebrated
out loud, not quietly tucked.

Speaker 9 (22:38):
Away or spoken of with hesitation. And then she goes on,
it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, and I got a chance to read that, you
know before, I guess once they submitted it to you guys.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
And I just thought she did a great job celebrating
the country.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
It's a really beautiful thing, and she took it so seriously,
by the way, I remember.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Because it was a little delayed. She's like, no, it
has to be just right.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
So you talk about road trips, So I'd be remiss
if I didn't bring up the controversy over the Great
American road Trip, which you know your husband is is
you know, celebrating really And I remember thin get like
you you and I talked about this briefly when I
was I was like, wait, there's a controversy over there.
Why is there a controversy over a road? Like what

(23:24):
is more American than the all American? Like a Great
American road trip? Like and by the way, it's kind
of part of Sean's story, Like there's just so many
great tides here.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
What is it? And like what like why are people
like being weird about it? I don't even understand it,
to be perfectly honest.

Speaker 10 (23:42):
So Sean talked about his road trip to the Grand
Canyon when.

Speaker 9 (23:46):
He was a kid in his book, and.

Speaker 10 (23:48):
I talked in my chapter in nineteen seventy six.

Speaker 9 (23:52):
So the two hundredth anniversary, I believe it or not,
I was, I was alive. I don't believe it.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
I don't believe it.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
But then I see, you're like a grandma now.

Speaker 9 (24:06):
Going on here?

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, exactly how many kids do you guys have? Again,
I always forget the exact number.

Speaker 10 (24:10):
We have nine kids, and this is our second grandkid,
and we're going to have a third grand kid on the.

Speaker 9 (24:17):
Way around Christmas time, so bless so. Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 10 (24:21):
So when I was a little girl in nineteen seventy six,
my parents, my father was a and I will get
to the controversy, but I want to set this up first.
My father is a first generation Mexican American born here
in Arizona, and my mother met him when he was
stationed abroad in Spain, and she's from Spain, and she
became a citizen when I was in kindergarten. And it

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was around that time that you know, America turned two
hundred and my parents loaded up the four of us
kids into a station wagon, a brown station wagon, and
we drove to Philadelphia, across the country to see the
Liberty Bell and to go to Independence Hall, and I remember.

Speaker 9 (25:01):
Just thinking this place must be really important.

Speaker 10 (25:03):
Our parents brought us all the way here to see this,
and it was very formative for us. And I think
a lot of road trips are they're bonding and they're wonderful.
And so when President Trump said, listen to the cabinet,
you're gonna you know, we're gonna celebrate two hundred and
fifty years while I am in office, and so I
want every department to come up with a way to
celebrate America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. And Seawan, of course,

(25:27):
is this Secretary of Transportation. He's charged not just with
transportation and safety, but also with promoting infrastructure and trackful
and so he said, let's bring back the great American
road trip.

Speaker 9 (25:40):
I don't think people are taking road trips the way
they used to.

Speaker 10 (25:43):
When Seawan and I were kids, it was very unusual
to jump on an airplane. For example, you know, everybody,
the only time I got on an airplane, you guys,
was when my dad was moving to a different base,
usually overseas, and the government paid for the airplane ride
for all of us to go. But if we were
going anywhere, we were jumping in the car because that
was just what people did back then. And so he's like,

(26:05):
let's forget back. And so bonding is a family. You
do these awesome stops at diners, you go see the parks.
We have the most amazing you know, landscape and geography
here in America. And so he said, let's let's bring
back the Great American Road Trip. And America two fifty,
as you know, has all these corporate sponsors. So there
was a nonprofit that was set up and, uh, these

(26:28):
these different corporations are you know, wrapping there. They're spending
money through this nonprofit to wrap up airplanes and buses
and America two fifty logos. And this idea of bringing
back the road trip was brought up, and we.

Speaker 9 (26:41):
Said, let's let's do Let's.

Speaker 10 (26:42):
Hit a couple you know, sides the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Philadelphia, Florida,
South Carolina. And so we did that and and and
so when it came out and we decided how we're
going to do it, we were first going to do
it a little TikTok vide and then I said, you know.

Speaker 9 (27:02):
What our roots are in reality TV.

Speaker 10 (27:04):
We've been asked for you know, people don't know I
was on the Real World and season three and Sean
was on season five, and we're we met through reality TV.
We've been asked for the last twenty years to to
actually participate in Real by probably you know, twelve different
production companies, including the one that did The Kardashians and

(27:26):
Real World. And so then we said, you know what,
if we're gonna do it, let's just do like a
little limited five episode, you know, we're going across the country.

Speaker 9 (27:35):
And that's what we did, and people freaked out.

Speaker 10 (27:38):
And because we filmed it over the course of seven months,
which means Sean took like two days a month to
do this. So we did these really quick stints because
obviously I'm busy with my job and Shawn's busy with
his and but then the left said that we took
seven months off, because I think they're really sensitive because

(28:01):
she just took four months off, so they want to
make it sound like the Duffies seven months off.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
I mean, I think it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
I think it's great, and I love celebrating the great
American road trip. There is nothing more American, and it's iconic,
and we should celebrate it, and who better than you
guys and the Secretary of Transportation anyway, So you know,
I saw this clip and I should have pulled it,
but it may I'm thinking about it right now, you know,
because we see these these images of Columbus, the Columbus

(28:32):
Square monument or whatever, and and so many of the beautification.
There's a Lincoln Memorial, the reflecting Pool. And I saw
this clip this morning of Rachel Welch Welsh Welch. I
didn't even hear about her until like Trump got re elected. Anyway,
she's a former housewife of something or other, one of those,
so she and she just spouts off all the time,
and she's basically like, we're gonna work. I want to

(28:54):
pave over the Lincoln Memorial. I want to I want
to return it back to this and I want the
Trump's name off the Kennedy Center and the two hundred
fifty dollars bill, if you know, burn all those two
hundred and fifty dollars bill. I mean, she's basically saying
she wants to go back to the way DC was before.
It doesn't matter if he's made it better, if Trump's
like it feels like we are back to this moment

(29:16):
where the left is unified over one thing. We were
talking about this grand Platiner character in Maine, how the
sexteing and the like crazy Reddit comments, and he calls
himself a communist. It doesn't seem to matter as long
as you are aligned against Trump. It doesn't matter that
things are more beautiful and safer in DC. It just

(29:36):
matters that you hate Trump. How did we get here
when you reflect on nineteen seventy six and then we
fast forward to twenty twenty six, what explains it Trump?

Speaker 9 (29:48):
I mean, it's just tens. It truly is. It's so bad.
I mean I even thought.

Speaker 10 (29:54):
About the concert, remember the President Trump in Celebration America
two fifty to do the Great American Fair, which was
a great concept right on the mall in Washington, d C.
And then of course have a concert like every fair does.
And you know, again we were back to where the artists,
the Hollywood artists, you know, music artists were not either

(30:17):
didn't want to or were too scared of being canceled
if they participated in this.

Speaker 9 (30:23):
And so there were just a lot of i.

Speaker 10 (30:25):
Mean, let's be ranked dlisters, dlisters that were there, and
with the time. I mean, flow Rd I love him,
so I don't know. And by the way, he's one
of the few who said no matter what, he's going
to do it.

Speaker 9 (30:38):
But there were a lot of them that said yes
that then backed out. And I thought, you know what,
it would be.

Speaker 10 (30:44):
So amazing if Hollywood and the music industry they could
have led the way on uniting us and saying, hey,
enough of this, we can all unite, because you know
at Floribus Una, you know, out of many, we are one.

Speaker 9 (31:00):
We can unite around the flag. We can unite around
two fifty.

Speaker 10 (31:04):
And yet they couldn't even for America's two hundred and
fiftieth birthday.

Speaker 9 (31:08):
The people, the group of people.

Speaker 10 (31:10):
Who have probably benefited the most financially and otherwise from
the American dream couldn't put down their petty politics to
do a concert for America. It was so sad and
so yeah, I mean, and with the beautification, you're right,
I mean, my husband broke ground or cut a ribbon,

(31:31):
I should say, cut a ribbon just last week with
Secretary Berghon at the in front of Union Station. I mean,
that place was nasty. It was the inside of the
terminal of Union Station was filled with homeless people and
the plaza outside had tents. It was just disgusting. I

(31:52):
remember arriving there last year around the time my husband
first took office as Secretary Transpirtation, and there was a
shooting there and everyone had to be cleared out.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
I mean, look at that before and after Rachel, I
mean exactly twenty twenty two versus twenty twenty six Trump.

Speaker 6 (32:11):
I never recall that fountain being a normal fountain.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
No, it's beautiful. It looks like a Trevy fountain. Now,
like they hate it.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
They hate ith.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
It's it's like a int.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, they can't stand that, like it's beautiful now because
Trump did it, they hate it, and and that that
I think is really sad. And we had a whole
segment on our Thought Crime Show, which is our Thursday
night streaming show at Jack Pasobic and Blake and I
and Tyler and a whole cast of characters, and we're
just reflecting on the fact that the bi centennial versus
the two fifty, the the just the unity of the

(32:48):
country has been so chipped away at that we can't
even have a concert with a bunch of has beens.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Even they're giving us giving us.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
The attitude and my whole reaction to it is like,
you know what, screw them, were like, I don't even
care actually, like you're all losers. I'm not a huge
boycott guy, but I will use.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Them when needed.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
I will never they mean nothing to me now because
to your point, it's like you can't even come around
celebrating all fifty states and the territories. And it was
supposed to be a bipartisan commission. The bipartisan Commission didn't
do anything. And I will say a lot of people
have been asking, like turning point to get involved because
we do these events, and we do the action, and
we do it really well. I'll just say, listen, as

(33:34):
somebody who's seen the inside or workings of this, it's hard.
It's very hard to pull off these events. We make
it look really easy, but it's really hard, especially when
you're on the conservative side of the ledger and there's
so much pressure on these Hollywood folks and the entertainment
folks not to get involved. And it's a real tragedy
though for our country because this is supposed to be bipartisan.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
This was not a Trump event.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Now Trump's gonna come in and speak and do the
thing and listen, God best the president for doing be
willing to do that to salvage and event I think
it'll be great. And you said, there's still gonna be
some acts performing, but it shouldn't have to be this way.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
We have so much great music. We have so many
great artists.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
We have some like bluegrass jazz, all these like Americana.

Speaker 9 (34:11):
Where's Nashville, Yeah, where's Nashville is?

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Martinez.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
McBride said, well, I didn't know what was going to
be like this, and anyways, she's an old old husband
as well, but there's got to be.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Tons of it.

Speaker 9 (34:22):
But she was willing to do it, Andrew and Blake.

Speaker 10 (34:25):
She was willing to do it, supposedly according to her,
according to her statement, until she realized that, what like
for ten years, the planning of this was basically going
to be like a woke apologize for America thing.

Speaker 9 (34:41):
Then Trump gets elected and they're like, no.

Speaker 10 (34:44):
Let's go big, let's you know, really celebrate America. And
then they're like no, now it's political. And by the way,
everybody should be giving the president credit for trying to
make our capital worthy of our country. Every born visitor comes,
you know, to the capital dignitaries.

Speaker 9 (35:02):
It was embarrassing what we were presenting. What he is
doing is such a service to our country.

Speaker 10 (35:09):
I cannot and we should be blessed that we have
a build for as a president.

Speaker 9 (35:13):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
You grew up, you grew up speaking Spanish, so you're
supposed to hate America.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
I'm so confused, right, yeah, you know it's.

Speaker 11 (35:22):
You know what?

Speaker 9 (35:23):
Do you know what I talk about in this book.

Speaker 10 (35:25):
My mom and dad made sure that I learned English
first in the nineteen seventies when.

Speaker 9 (35:32):
They were when they and I talked about this in
the book, when.

Speaker 10 (35:34):
They were experimenting. Let it be said, my mom pulled
me out of bilingual education because she wanted me to
be an American first.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Rachel Campo, stuffie. Everybody check out the book.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
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Speaker 9 (35:48):
Thank you.

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gonna get into the Delaney Hall fiasco, which is another
mess that the Left is trying to stir up around

(37:25):
Ice and their anti ice protests. They think they're gonna
get the big ROI that they got out of Minnesota.
I'm not so sure on this one. Here to help
us unpack this ordeal, our two Frontlines GPUSA Frontlines journalists.
That's Gabrielle Victel and Bo Alford. Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
You guys were on the ground covering the protests and
the mayhem from Wednesday through Saturday. My goodness, you guys
are brave. First of all, thank you for doing it. Bo,
Let's just start with you. Why did this happen, Why
did this even pop up off in the first place,
and what did you see on the ground.

Speaker 12 (38:03):
Yeah, absolutely their reasoning was due to inhumane conditions, But
as DHS is reporting today, there are no inhumane conditions
they were even saying that these prisoners are getting better
healthcare than they've received in years. Probably, this truly is
just an excuse to riot. I wouldn't even call these

(38:25):
people protesters or agitators or leftists. These are people that
truly just want to burn down the country and start over.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, Gabe, what'd you see on the ground there? Yeah?

Speaker 11 (38:38):
I saw mayhem that was probably at least on on
Friday night. And also a lot of videos that have
been coming out since that was like the closest thing
that I have ever seen that's as close to war,
you know, like it was a war zone out there.
It was lawlessness. These these protesters, they were just rioting.

(38:59):
They were they were trying to find any reason to
be mad at anyone.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
You know, they.

Speaker 11 (39:05):
Attacked reporters, as a lot of people have seen, and
you know, these these people have just had madness be
the forefront of their their movement.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
So apparently this whole thing started with a hunger strike
that was embarked upon by the detainees at Delaney Hall.
A reminder, these are criminals. They broke into our country.
They don't belong here. A lot of them are violent,
a lot of them are actual sort of what the
left would define as criminals. I defend define all of
them as criminals because they broke into our country and

(39:37):
we don't want them here.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
But and by the way, you should.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Pull up those details on the the the White pill
on how average time and country that most of these
detainees have been here. But anyways, the DHS published a
menu of food that they're getting served. Oatmeal, pancakes, scrambled eggs,
grilled potatoes, chicken, breakfast meat, cream of rice, dry cereal milk, coffee.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
For lunch.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
They eat better than I do. Chicken leg quarter, turkey, stirfry,
beef and bean burrito, vegetarian beans. They even have a
vegetarian option for a bunch of mostly Hispanics.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
It's interesting.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Chicken faheta meat with a tortilla, Spanish rice fedeo with
meat sauce, chicken fried steak, fortified sugar free tea dinner,
john balaya, meat and vegetable stew, tuna salad, salisburry patty
with gravy, enchilada casserole, chili mac potato, wedges, mixed vegetables,
fortified sugar free beverage. All right, so and they're getting

(40:35):
medical care and they're getting a bed, showers, all this stuff,
Yet they have the gall to go on a hunger strike.
So then all the activists from all over the country
come over all. And by the way, this is not
like that widespread. They want you to think that this
is like the entire Democrat base is like protesting and

(40:56):
going on ships here. No, these are like Antifa guys.
And the thing that concerned me what looking at some
of the videos, and I want to know if you
guys saw this as well, was they had gas masks,
They had really well equipped almost tactical gear that had
to have cost tens and tens of thousands of dollars.
What did you guys see just as far as an

(41:17):
organizational and sophistication level on the ground, bo are Gabe,
I don't know who's who wants to take this surf.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Go ahead, bo, I'll start.

Speaker 12 (41:25):
It's a very good point that you bring up, because
Nick Shorter even reported this that when people were donating,
they weren't asking for water or food, they were asking
for rioting material. They were getting these masks shipped over
to them, and everyone on the ground had these masks,

(41:45):
had goggles on because they were prepared for war.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
These weren't people that.

Speaker 12 (41:51):
Were needing food for extra time. These were simply people
that were prepared for war with our country.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yeah, Gabe, did you see the same? I mean, I mean,
these are sophisticated ops that are being run and then
the media covers them like it's just a bunch of
concerned citizens really upset about the illegals held at Delaney Hall.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (42:09):
No, I think that these people are definitely prepared to
go out there and be fighting, be violent. I mean,
you know, you could attribute it a bit to probably
our education system at some point. You know, these people
think that they are like the Founding Fathers, you know,
they think that they are fighting for something greater than them,
which you know, they're completely misguided. You can see in

(42:31):
the videos all these people are basically fighting to protect
criminals firstly, but secondly they are you know, attacking agents,
you know, people who work for this country who are
just trying to keep the community safer, and they believe
that they are all, you know, evil Nazi types according
to them.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
You know, So, Blake, you had an insight over the weekend,
I actually retweeted Blake, I do that often. Actually, it's
not like a rarity, but on the average of how
long these illegals, Well, it's one of the reasons they're
so upset right now.

Speaker 6 (43:05):
Yeah, no, that's a big part of it.

Speaker 5 (43:07):
So this is I believe the Washington Post was just
analyzing the average the media number of days that a
person getting removed from the United States had been in
the United States, and for a very long time, including
even in President Trump's first term. The average was a
person had been in this on average in the US
a few days, a few weeks. So that mostly captures

(43:29):
people who cross the border, get caught, get sent back out.
That's the average deported person. Now we've crashed deport border
crossings down so much, and we're still setting people out,
so the average has gone up from a few dozen
days to over a thousand days. Is the median number
of days someone has been in the United States before
the league, which means if it's about three years, and

(43:50):
so the typical person getting sent out is someone who's
been in the United States a long time. When previously
it was widely known if you could get into the
United States, get past the first wave of defense, sanctuary cities,
ice priorities, and all these other things would conspire to
basically mean you'd never get sent home. And that's finally
getting broken up by this administration.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Is why I think they're so upset. But like, I
can't get over the fact that if there are signal
chats being exposed right now, I am being told from
sources at DHS and Treasury these are being sussed out,
so just be patient. And there are arrests being made.
There's been threats on the lives of ice officers. Mikey

(44:31):
Cheryl is defending this. The politicians are getting behind this lawlessness.
It's an absolute failure of leadership from New Jersey government officials.
And it's shameless because these people are absolute agents of chaos,
agents of violence, and they're they're going to war with
federal law enforcement. Am I am I mischaracterizing this from
what you guys saw, No, not at all. And what

(44:54):
what's the posture to to of the state that you.

Speaker 11 (44:57):
Can that you can tell on the ground, I mean
the state of just the area in general. It's yeah,
I mean, you know, around where the protests were happening
or the riots were happening, a lot of the people
were seemed to be in support of these protests. You know,
you would talk to other people outside of it, and

(45:18):
they want this stuff to happen. So it seems like
it's all complete chaos. I mean, you know Blue States,
so I don't know if you can expect anything else.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
It's so depressing.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
I mean, how anybody could support such lawlessness and such chaos. Well,
Alfred Gabriel Victor, thank you so much for covering it
on the ground and doing it on behalf of TPOSA frontlines.
We have your back. Thank you for your courage. God
bless you both. Thank you, thank you, Hey, thank you guys.

(45:48):
So we have to do it. I'm hoping it wasn't
going to get to this bad. I was hoping we
weren't gonna have to do this, Blake, But it's June,
and unfortunately June has been co opted by people that
I disagree with, this month of the seven Deadly one
of the seven Deadly sins, the month that's turned into
like celebration of degeneracy. Okay, if you want to go
do your thing in private and not involve me or

(46:11):
my kids or my country and just leave me alone,
I'm not gonna cause you a problem. I'm not gonna
say anything. I don't even care. Okay, genuinely, what you
do is what you do. What I do is what
I do. I just don't want to have it stuffed
down in my face and down my throat. Okay, So
here's Good Morning America opening their segment today. This comes

(46:31):
by way of the Media Research Council. They flagged it,
so it's got their logo on it.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Hat tip to them.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
They started off with gay salsa dancing on Disney's owned
ABC Good Morning America to thirty eight.

Speaker 6 (47:06):
Okay, I don't know if they could hear that. We
were begging for it.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Seconds. I was like, okay, we get the idea.

Speaker 12 (47:11):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Meanwhile, the MLB is just gonna full full pride. You
could just throw a smattering of these images up. It
really breaks my heart because I'm a huge baseball fan
and they don't need to look at you got the
the the the flag, the the rainbow flag incorporated into
the MLB logo. The Dodgers are doing it, Minor League

(47:36):
Baseball's doing it, the Minnesota Twins, which no nobody's surprised by.

Speaker 9 (47:41):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
And then you've got like a bunch of the football
teams going on social media. The Eagles, the Buffalo Bills,
the Dolphins, the Washington Commanders, Washington Redskins, what is this?
The Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
I have checked. I have a good I have good news.
I have checked. The Texas Rangers have still never done
a Pride Night.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
Every year people flip out and they say they're the
only MLB team without one, And I just checked and
I don't see one on the schedule for this year.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
So listen, say no, this is how you lose a
country when you start celebrating the wrong things, when you
start lifting up as the ideal something that's outside of
God's design. Okay, but again, I'm a bit libertarian on
this in general. If you keep it to yourselves, I'm
not gonna this is a free country. I don't think

(48:32):
it's right. I don't. I actually don't. Okay, if you
keep it to yourselves, I'm not gonna say anything. When
you start promoting it everywhere and you try and propagandaize
me and my children, I'm gonna have an issue. I'm
sick of June being co opted. Why is it a
whole month? My goodness, it doesn't need to be a
whole month. That's where you know it was a total
op from the beginning, a whole month dedicated to just

(48:54):
like weakness and feminize men. I'm not into it, Blake,
save me from myself.

Speaker 6 (49:00):
I mean, it's just it's become I just like I.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
I go back to the fact pride is one of
the seven Deadly sins. I think you can tell the
fact that it started as it started as gay pride.
But it's not just become generalized pride. And it's the
way they eagerly add every new thing to it. And
so it's not even specifically about being gay.

Speaker 6 (49:25):
It's it's almost.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
Just if you ggbt and you know, to spirit and
missing and murdering.

Speaker 6 (49:31):
You know what was that mm I wp am I
whatever the thing from Canada.

Speaker 5 (49:36):
It's really you can add any identity to it, almost
as long as it's against the setup that we know
has worked for thousands of years to keep civilization going.
So and and people respond to this. We have people
desperately trying to create new fake sexual orientations for themselves,
as people who said they were sapyo sexuals or whatever.

Speaker 6 (49:58):
People will make things up. And if you if you make.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
It desirable to be a weirdo, if you make it
desirable to be not normal. People are going to pursue that,
and you'll have a fertility rate at one point one
and your society is going to disintegrate.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Yeah, and here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
I I'm just so sick of it.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
I'm just so I'm exhausted by it. Just stop.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
You do not need a month for this garbage. And
it's a reminder, sadly that we've made a lot of
strides against pride. But I mean, they're not going away,
and so we've got to keep the pressure up. And
that's why I decided we should devote a segment to this,
because look at this is MLB. It's as American as

(50:44):
apple pie and hot dogs and hamburger and they're going
all in. And that makes me truly, truly remorseful for
the state of our country because it's bad for everybody.
You don't want to celebrate this. You want to celebrate
a nuclear family. You want to celebrate couples getting married,
buying homes, having kids.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
You don't want to.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Celebrate all the exceptions to the rule. When did we
become a country that only celebrates the exceptions to the rule?
And I get like this when it comes to immigration,
how many times have you had the proud, noble immigrant
rising from the bottom story. Why don't we ever tell
the story about an American kid who was born in

(51:26):
a single family home, that did all the right things,
went to school, got a good job, married his wife,
had some kids. Why don't we celebrate that story, because
that's actually what we're trying to create, you know. And
I'm reminded of the fact that Charlie said, if he
was ever in political office, what he would do is
devote himself to the restoration of the American family. And
here we have a whole month that basically is working

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But let me set the premise of this and why.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
We've invited Rob back on.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
By the way, Rob was one of Charlie's last long
form A really really smart guy.

Speaker 6 (54:37):
I interviewed him a week before. I think it hadn't
even come out.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
Yeah, when everything happened.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
I think that's right. Rob, welcome back to the show.
It's good to see you, my friend, and thanks for
making the time. You are one of the most prolific
followed substack writers. Rob Henderson's newsletters. Everybody check that out,
author of Troubled Rob. I wanted to have you on
because there's been a series of I would them great
debates on x on social media about a couple of

(55:04):
things revolving around conservative versus liberal parenting, fertility rates, there's
been the gender gap in the higher education, how many
getting degrees, and it's just it's now I think the
number is now sixty two percent of degrees are awarded
to women. And we've had authors like Helen Anderson on

(55:25):
the show who's talked about this and talked about the
great feminization of culture, and so there's really limitless places
we could start to have this discussion. But the macro
data is emerging, and it feels like we're still talking
and raging against the patriarchy.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
But it's like that that era is gone.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
It seems like, you know, here, I'll just start with
one one graph, Rob and then i'll give it to you.
More parents among conservatives. This is a wild one. Seventy
one percent of conservatives are having a child versus forty
seven percent of liberals. There's the graph right there. So
that's that's quite interesting. Tell us your thoughts on all

(56:10):
of these big debates that we're having now they're merging
on X.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (56:14):
Well, it's fascinating there because if you go back to
the beginning of when those yeah, yeah, when those charts
were yeah, in the nineteen eighties, right, so for women,
you know, they're almost identical, sixty five percent for conservatives
versus sixty percent for liberal women, and then this has
just grown over time. You know, people talk about polarization
and how we're growing further apart along political lines. I

(56:36):
think this is just more evidence of that. It's not
just in terms of opinion now where we're becoming polarized,
but in terms of action, family formation, marriage, child rearing,
and you know, you're you're completely right. I think that
increasingly you have to set out to make a plan
to have a family. I think in the past, because

(56:59):
we had these culture guardrails in place, you had this
kind of life script that was widely known and taught
throughout the culture, parenting schools, families and so on, that
this is kind of the sequence of your life. You
go to school, you go to college, you get a job,
and then you kind of find a partner, settle down
and have some kids. And it's becoming harder. Our culture

(57:19):
doesn't really cultivate that anymore. It doesn't really directly or
indirectly tell young people this is kind of what you know,
what the milestones of life are, and you have to
try really hard.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Now, I've spoken with very smart guys.

Speaker 13 (57:35):
Most of my friends are guys, and they're educated, they're smart,
they're successful in their careers, and they tell me that
they literally have to treat it as a second job
to find a suitable partner, where they put in you know,
they basically put their careers temporarily on pause to prioritize
how do I find a suitable spouse? How you know,
do I screen for someone who shares the same values

(57:56):
as me and settle down and have a relationship and
then get married and then have kids. You didn't used
to have to do that. You know, those the mechanisms
were already in place where young people would come together
and find a spouse organically. And you know, not many
people are in a position to put in that much
effort to finding someone. And it shouldn't be this hard.
This is one of the problems in our culture. It

(58:16):
shouldn't be this hard to find someone. This used to
be kind of a natural course of life events. And
your point earlier about you know, do we live in
a patriarchy? Well, you know, sixty two percent of the
bachelor's degrees are awarded to women. You see kind of
identical divides for master's degrees and PhDs, professional degrees and

(58:38):
so on, and what Sometimes you know, in response to this,
people say, well, okay, yes, it's the case that early
on in education you're seeing these gaps. But what about
at the top. You know, most of the senior academics,
the senior executive, senior politicians, it's still male skewed. But
that's that's only because this is a legacy of when
the culture was you know, arguably a bit more patriot

(58:59):
or patriarchal. But as we move forward in time, you know,
as fewer young men go through the sequence of higher education,
You're going to see few of those senior positions occupied
by men. And so, you know, this is this is
going to be difficult, I think for women. I'm not

(59:19):
the first to point this out that generally women like
men who are at least as well educated as themselves,
at least as you know, in terms of income, equal
to themselves in terms of occupational prestige and success. But
if women are outperforming men on all of these metrics,
they are not going to be satisfied with the pool

(59:39):
of possible male partners that are available to them. And so,
on the one hand, you know, fine, you know we
should have you know, and you mentioned Helen Andrews earlier.
You know, one thing she points out is that, you know,
one way to you know, kind of repair this, this
increasing lopsidedness of women succeeding more than men is to
just stop putting the thumb on this scale for women.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Where you know, on the one hand, a.

Speaker 13 (01:00:04):
Lot of progressives say, you know, they like this slogan
the future is female. We need to have all these
programs in place to ensure that women succeed. But then
when they come out on the other end of that,
you know, what's what's the next thing they often want
is a partner that they're attracted to and that they
want to have a family with. But if we have
you know, these slogans and these programs in place that
increasingly hobble men from attaining success, then these women aren't

(01:00:26):
going to be happy either. No one really wins as
a result of this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
It would be.

Speaker 13 (01:00:31):
Helpful to go back to a more meritocratic system where
people are judged on the merits of their abilities rather
than you know, their their gender. And this too, I
think is fueling a lot of the political anger that
we're seeing. There was that recent New Statesman pull that
came out a few weeks ago which showed I mean,
it was it was it was very interesting that you know,

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something like only it was in the single digits. I
believe it was seven percent of young men said they
held a negative view of young women. You know, so
despite all the talk about you know, toxic masculinity and
you know, all of these toxic figures online that young
men are supposedly listening to, generally speaking, young men still

(01:01:13):
like young women. But when they ask young women, how
do you feel about young men. You know, it was
something like twenty plus percent of young women said they
held a negative view of young men, much more likely
to say they held a negative view of the opposite
sex than young men did. And so, you know, where
are these women absorbing this information? A lot of that
is from social media as well.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
So, Rob, do you think this is a we'll call
it a societal crisis. You've mentioned we could take our
thumb off the scale, But is this something we can
change our laws to get out of, or do you
think it's such a product of modernity it's really only
going to be able to solve itself in the sense
that women and men who hate each other are just
not going to reproduce, and the only people who will

(01:01:56):
be around in eighty years are going to be the
children of people who got through.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
Let's call it an evolutionary event.

Speaker 13 (01:02:02):
The future belongs to show up for it, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
the the evolutionary bottleneck.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:02:09):
You know, you know I mentioned that slogan the future
is female. You know, maybe the future is conservative female
in the sense that conservative women are having more children
than liberal women, and you know they're passing on You
know that there is a kind of a heritable component
to political orientation. And so you conservatives tend to have
conservative kids in part because they teach them conservative values,

(01:02:31):
but also there is this kind of heritable genetic component
to it as well, and so if conservative parents are
having conservative kids, then they have kids and so on.
Then you know, this this may be a self correcting issue.
Sometimes I'll say that I'm short term pessimistic and kind
of medium to long term optimistic in the sense that,
you know, short term pessimistic because you know, a lot
of the trends that we're seeing are alarming with creating

(01:02:53):
marriage rates, creator earning fertility, and so on. But in
the long run, you know, people are still having kids kids,
but the ones who are doing it are doing it
in a kind of deliberate way. People who are more
temperamentally conservative, who still value family and marriage and you
know this traditional virtues as well. But the you know,

(01:03:16):
the the duration between now and that point where things
start to become more self correcting, you know, things might
look kind of ugly in the interim.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Well, and let me just throw up this graph right here.
This is young women have become much more liberal, young
men not so much. And this shows from you know,
roughly late nineties up to twenty twenty three, and you
see that growing gap that has grown between women and men.

(01:03:46):
All right, let's start with a clip of Charlie as
we continue our segment with Rob Henderson talking about root
causes of the gender war that is forming in this
country top forty two.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
That's going on with women and not want to prioritize family. Yeah,
this is a pattern that I've seen time and time
in these college campuses where young men are ordering their
life correctly. They want to first and foremost have children,
get married, and then have a nice job or to
be able to travel. If you look deeper into this data,
it's completely consistent with other data we've seen the last

(01:04:20):
couple of years. Young women they don't value having children,
and this is one of the reasons why we are
seeing a fertility collapse in the West. If you play
out the liberal worldview, the Kamala Harris worldview to its
furthest possible logical point, you have a country with literally
no future. When you play out the logical endpoint of
President Trump's agenda of where young men voted for him,

(01:04:42):
you have one of lots of children, increasing communities and
you also have a need then for mass immigration.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Yeah, well, said Charlie, we'd completely agree.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
So Rob, I want to talk about root causes though.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Right you mentioned that, you know, what women are getting
is apparently what they want that said they wanted. They
won't degrees, they want careers, they want all these things.
But then that creates this problem when it comes to
finding a spouse, because they want men to be higher earners,
more prestigious, career that sort of thing, or at least
on par But we're I mean, this is not going

(01:05:16):
to end in a good place.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
But let's talk about where it started.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Why are we experiencing all of this, this disconnect, this asymmetry.

Speaker 13 (01:05:24):
Well it's a good question. I think one important reason here, Well,
you know, people ask, well, why aren't women having as
many children as they used to have, or why is
the fertility rate declining? Sometimes it's helpful to reverse a question,
which is, you know, why would women want children in
the first place? Why have the historically had children? And

(01:05:45):
I think part of it was that they had a
culture in place that valorized motherhood. That you know, in
many cultures, you were not considered a full fledged, contributing
member of that community as a woman until you had children,
and this was celebrated motherhood, whereas now we live in
a society where, you know, one one way to look
at it, we're egalitarian, where you know, whether you want

(01:06:07):
to have children, if you don't want to have children,
those are equally valid options. You know, another way to
look at it is that you know, we're actively punishing motherhood,
that not having children is valorized, that prioritizing your career
or being a girl boss or something like that is
the more celebrated option. And when you know young people,

(01:06:29):
young women, hear a message like that, you know they
absorb it and you know, decide to delay and maybe
even decide not to have children at all. And then
it's you know, having children is difficult, right Like, it
requires a lot of work, a lot of effort. They're
sort of economically costly, but also sort of personally, socially,
emotionally costly as well. But then a way to sort

(01:06:52):
of compensate for those short term burdens was historically to say, Okay,
your life is a little bit more difficult now, but
we're going to treat you with a certain amount of
fact and esteem and admiration for doing this for yourself
or the community. You're making these sacrifices, but if you
are not receiving those rewards to compensate for those short
term burdens, then you know, perhaps it's unsurprising that people

(01:07:13):
would would forego, you know, doing something like this and
all of the kind of associated costs that go along
with it. And then you know there's a long term
benefit to having children too. Where As you age, what
do you have in your life? You know, your career
is not going to sustain and satisfy you forever. You're
going to want to have a spouse, You're going to
want to have kids and grandkids. You're going to want
to have people around who care about you. But you know,

(01:07:36):
if you're kind of young and hedonistic and you've been
trained by culture to only value sort of short term, fleeting,
enjoyable pursuits, you know, you're not thinking decades down.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
The line in that way.

Speaker 13 (01:07:48):
We don't really, you know, we're not really taught to
think about, you know, what life is like in the future,
what it's like to grow old alone. We're not really
hearing stories like that. Had a conversation recently with an oncologist,
a cancer doctor who tells me. You know, he'll have
these elderly, you know, elderly male patients and they'll come

(01:08:08):
in with a woman who seems to be you know,
the guy's wife, and the woman will pull the doctor
aside and say, just so, you know, like we got
divorced years ago, but I'm the only person he has.
I'm the only person in his life. So he asked
me to come to the hospital with him, and you know,
he's telling me these stories are heartbreaking. You know, these
old guys who have noah and accept their ex wife
who only kind of begrudgingly tag along to these hospital visits.

(01:08:30):
But in the future, you can imagine, you know, these
are divorced couples. Now, people aren't getting married at all.
They're not even going to have a divorce spouse who
will support them as they grow old and ill and
so on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Yeah, I mean that's really depressing actually, you know, but
I think of feminism in general, has it really feels
like it's running up. I mean, I think of it
as one of the three big scourges affecting America nowadays.
And again we reference Helen and Andrews before and she
charts it the rise of feminism and the rise of

(01:09:02):
female representation in the workplace and different institutions with essentially
the rise of wokeness, which.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
Says wokeness basically is just feminine ways of doing things,
which is, you know, you prioritize consensus, you prioritize feelings,
you like to avoid conflict. Yet it's often like slow
level conflict within all institutions.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Yeah, and again, so I'm thinking root causes and it
seems like, you know, you see as for example, I
saw this video out of the UK from the nineteen
seventies and it was talking about should women work, you know,
women work, and it was like the women were like, well,
I don't think they should have a full time job.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
They got to be home with the kids.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
And you go from nineteen seventies in Great Britain to
twenty twenty six across the West and that attitude is
completely shifted, and you know, you have women freezing their
eggs trying to you know, work their way up through
minute middle management to become a vice president of some
shoe company or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
And I just it breaks my.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Heart because I'm just I'm looking at the future for
them that they will they refuse to apparently look at
and the study after study shows that married women with
children on the aggregate are happier, They're more satisfied, more fulfilled.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
I just I don't know how you turn it around.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
But I don't know if the men have to, you know,
link arms in this giant uprising and take take back
some ground here or what's going to ultimately give way
because it's unsustainable on some level.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
I was.

Speaker 13 (01:10:34):
I was in the lobby of this aparming complex recently,
Andrew and I saw this nanny and she had two
children with her.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
This nanny, so she had there was.

Speaker 13 (01:10:41):
An infant and a stroller, and then in her lap
was a toddler, probably two or three years old. And
this three year old toddler kept saying Mommy, Mommy, I
want mommy. This was eleven am on a Monday. And
then nanny kept saying, you know, mommy's not here. You'll
see mommy later. You'll see mommy later. But all this
kid would say is mommy, that's it. And then nanny
doing everything. You know, here's an iPad, here's a toy,

(01:11:02):
here's a snack, And all the kid said was mommy.
That's the only word. She would say, and I'm looking
at this and thinking like, this is a heartbreaking scene
because no one here is happy. Obviously, the kids aren't
happy because they want their mom. The nanny isn't happy
because she's put in this awkward position of trying to
entertain these kids who you know, they you know, she's
seemed like a nice lady, but that's not their mom.
And then the mom's probably unhappy too because she's at work.

(01:11:23):
And you know, I know nothing about her, but I
would assume she'd rather be with her kids than in
whatever job she has.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
And so you know, nobody wins, you know.

Speaker 13 (01:11:32):
I you know, I don't. I don't want to sound
like a Marxist here. Maybe maybe capitalism is winning from
this arrangement, but you know, and I'm generally a fan
of capitalism, but in this case, you know, someone has
to take care of kids, and if it's not going
to be the mother, it's going.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
To be you know, nannies and other women.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
What you just said is like so heartbreaking. And you know,
and there's this question that women are often presented. We're
about to have our Women's Leadership Summit actually in Texas
this weekend. Without fail, the most most controversial element that
will come out of this women's conference is some student
will get up to the mic and ask one of

(01:12:07):
these successful women, you know that they've followed on social
media or whatever, and they'll say, can can you have
it all?

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Can you have it all?

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
And without fail, one of the women will say, yes,
you can, I'm prove of it or something like that,
and then it'll get clipped up and it'll be like, oh,
this is turning points perspective on it, and that's not
at all actually, I think what our perspective.

Speaker 6 (01:12:29):
Charlie was very critical of that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
Charlie would say that a woman can maybe have it all,
but not all at the same time.

Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
Ye was how he would like to phrase.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Exactly and candidly.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
I mean, we were all about, you know, encouraging marriage,
encouraging family formation, encouraging having children because the culture had
become so lopsided in the opposite direction. It's not that
that's the only route for people. It's not that the
only option. This is a free country. You can do
what you want. You cannot pursue children and family or
you can. But here's a big warning sign flashing red lights.

(01:13:02):
If you do what the culture is telling you to do,
you will probably be miserable and look back with regret.
At some point you'll wake up and be thirty seven
having to like, you know, pursue fertility treatments for this
guy that you probably settled on because you couldn't find
anybody else that was actually like ten out of ten
for you, so you settled. You're trying to rush family
formation at late stages when you have covered up fertility

(01:13:24):
problems with the pill for years and you didn't even
know about. There's all these these horror stories that you
hear about, and so we're trying to push this, you know,
as you mentioned, celebrating the more traditional method because it
becomes so villainized in our culture, and I'm becoming I think,
like I said, there's a four horsemen of the apocalypse

(01:13:44):
in America.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
I usually name.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Three, but there's probably like five actually. But it's like
the Islamification. You don't have to agree rob By the
way on any of this, but this is my perspective,
the Islamification of the West, wokeness feminism, which really is
probably just one, and then the the you know, Marxist
sort of takeover of our institutions. That's the way I'm
looking at it is a red green alliance. You could

(01:14:07):
look at it that, but feminism is kind of connected
to all of them actually, because I think it is
so unhealthy for a culture to kind of lose sight
of its traditional norms and customs and the way that
the sexes interact. And I just see it causing such
a such a huge path of devastation in its wake
that I'm really worried. I'm genuinely worried about the future

(01:14:30):
of the West. By the way, it's not just America.
This is happening throughout Europe. This is why we can't
deal with the biggest problems that we face because anytime
somebody with a little bit of like testosterone comes and
tries to do something you know, aggressive or courageous, they
get absolutely clobbered by like you know, the mainstream news media.
Look at with Spencer Pratt. They're calling it a dark

(01:14:51):
campaign in Los Angeles, and the guy's just calling out homelessness.
He's just calling out like rafts from the NGOs. His
house got burned down, and it's ar and divisive. Anyways,
that's my ran reflect.

Speaker 13 (01:15:03):
As you will, well, well you know the feminins and
piece as you were outlining those you know, those four challenges.
You know, what occurred to me is, you know, feminism
can be to some extent folded into kind of wokeness
and Marxism. But what's interesting here is that even the
Marxists and Communists themselves kind of speak out of both
sides of their mouth with regard to equal rights for women.

(01:15:26):
So there was so Mao Zedong famously said women hold
up half the sky, and he said, you know, things
like this in order to get the support of women
who you know, okay they were oppressed and so on
before the Communists took over China, women hold up half
the sky. And then later famously he had this meeting
with Henry Kissinger where he offered Henry Kissinger to offload

(01:15:47):
ten million Chinese women to the United States and he
said that these women are causing chaos in our country, like,
can we give you ten million of our women? And
Kissinger it quietly responded with something like that's an interesting proposal,
will have to consider it later. And then I think
they never returned to that, to that topic. But you know,
here's now saying, oh, women are so wonderful, and then
privately he's like, can we kind of give you some

(01:16:08):
of these people who are causing problems. But anyway, but
people don't know that part of the story. They only
know the hole top half, the skuy quote, you know,
the the Marxists who quote him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
But you know, it's it is a serious problem.

Speaker 13 (01:16:20):
And people say, oh, well, immigration is going to fix
the fertility crisis. Oh, we'll just bring in more immigrants
and they'll do you know, they'll they'll sort of compensate
for the fertility shortfalls. But then when you look if
this is a band aid, because.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
When you look at the.

Speaker 13 (01:16:33):
Fertility patterns for immigrants and their children and then their
grandchildren and so on, like they basically start to converge
with the native population over time, and they also have
fewer children. There's something about Western culture, you know. I'm
sure technology and so one has something to do with it,
but I think there's something inherent to the culture now
that is suppressing fertility, not just for native born people,

(01:16:54):
but for immigrants and their children and grandchildren too. And
so this is not going to be a long term fix.
We're going to need something like, you know, getting people
to start having babies, and the economic incentives.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Are yeah, I totally agree. I think the economic incentives.
I mean, basically, there was a tweet this week and
I totally agree to it was like in this clown economy,
you know, like anybody having kids are essentially heroes now,
you know, because they're doing the work of civilization.

Speaker 5 (01:17:22):
It's sort of It's interesting though, because you can say
we're doing the work of heroes.

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
But that actually gets at a bit of the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
I think, I totally What I've seen pointed out is
society feels a lot more passively anti children to some extent,
because it used to be basically everyone got married, and
the assumption was you get married and then you would
inevitably have kids, really unless there was a biological impediment
to doing so, just organically happened. Now everything about it

(01:17:51):
is a choice, which means fewer people do it. But
also there's there's almost this call it innate libertarianism, even
pops up on the right, that well, you chose to
have kids, so any issues with your kids are your problem.
It's your job to take care of them, it's not
society's job to make it easier for you. And I
think that certainly drives probably the fewer people having kids

(01:18:14):
having them later the sense that they're not prepared to
do it. Nobody was prepared to have kids in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
It just happened.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
And by the way that tweet I was referencing was
in response to the increasing number of restaurant goers are
demanding child free Yes, areas of the restaurant exactly, And
it's you know, and like everything in culture basically will
get better if you if everybody's having kids, you'll strut
because when you have kids, you think about the safety
of your park, you think about the safety of your school,

(01:18:41):
you think about the kind of content they're consuming. But
if you're not, you're completely disconnected from that. You're selfishly
sort of assuming your own viewpoint in every different context
of society. And the parents are left holding the bag,
trying to like carve out a safe and productive and
atying existence for their children in an increasingly more hostile environment.

(01:19:03):
So it just the odds just continue stacking against it.
So again, I don't know exactly if there's a finale
or conclusion we can reach here, rob, but the data
let alone, it's concerning I guess.

Speaker 13 (01:19:17):
Yeah, no, no, no, you're saying it reminds me I had
this conversation. This was a married couple. They're a middle
aged couple. They chose not to have kids, and you
spentioned Spencer Pratt earlier. They live in California, and they
were telling me how their neighborhood has changed where now
you know, when they put their garbage bins out at curbside,
you know they'll they'll have like drug addicts and weirdos
sort of rifling through their trash now. And they said

(01:19:37):
this wasn't happening six or seven years ago. And I asked,
you know, do you call the cops, Like what do
you do when you see people rifling through your trash?
And say, Oh, it's no big deal. They're not hurting anyone.
You know, maybe they could find something if they need it,
that's fine. And then I asked them, what if you
guys had kids at home, would you guys still be
okay with it? And then the tune change. They said, well,
that's different. You know, I would be concerned for the
kid and so on. But then I asked, there are

(01:19:57):
probably kids in that neighborhood, you know, like you two,
I don't have kids, but there may be, you know,
And like you're saying, it gets you to start thinking
in terms of a community, in terms of a society,
in terms of your neighbors and so on, instead of
just selfishly well we're too adults, and you know, if
something bad happens, it's fine, and yeah it's I think
that that sort of turning your attention outward instead of

(01:20:18):
this selfish looking inward of well, how is this affecting
me directly? Or should I How much do I personally
need to care versus you know, the next generation, or
you know, at least your neighbors and those around.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
You, Rob, I would be remiss if we didn't shout out,
of course, your sub stack, Rob Henderson's newsletter. It's one
of the most successful sub stacks. I was just opening
and it says it is number one rising in science.
So you've been crushing it very well. I encourage people
to check it out. And this is a little off topic,
but I see it if you could just give a

(01:20:47):
minute here because the question fascinates me. Your most recent
post is why some smart people never get anywhere? Why
do some smart people never get anywhere?

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
Rob?

Speaker 13 (01:20:57):
Yeah, well, you know it's uh. The main point of
that post was I was elaborating on the personality traite
of conscientiousness, which is, you know, simplified someone, but basically
the willingness to work hard and to be diligent and
orderly and organized in your life.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
And look, you.

Speaker 13 (01:21:14):
Can have ten people who have high IQs, very smart,
very academically inclined, and you will have incredibly wide variations.
Some of those ten people will be successful and some
of them will be unsuccessful.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
They're all smart.

Speaker 13 (01:21:26):
What explains this, and a good portion of this is
are you conscientious?

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Do you work hard? Do you prioritize? Do you sacrifice?

Speaker 13 (01:21:33):
And so this this willingness to exert effort even if
you aren't especially smart. I know people who aren't you know,
you know, they don't like classroom kind of learning, they're
not bookish people, but they work really hard and they
earn a lot of money and they're very successful. And
so the whole point of that was like, yeah, I
think we, especially smart people, overvalue smart and undervalue the
importance of work ethic.

Speaker 6 (01:21:53):
That is an answer Charlie would certainly love, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Because you know, you can't choose how smart you are.
Necessarily you're your raw horsepower IQ. It's something you're born with.
Maybe you cultivate somewhat, but you can choose two things.
You can choose to work harder than everybody else, and
you can choose to be courageous. Those are choices that
are up to every individual, and that's ultimately a really
freeing concept to internalize. Rob Henderson, thank you so much.

(01:22:18):
Thank you for saying a little bit longer for a
podcast exclusive here. Yeah, fascinating conversation. I don't think we've
cracked the nut completely, but all of culture would be
better if more people got married and had kids. Just
the bottom line, it's America. You have the freedom to
do it or not do it. But man, I hope
we can start celebrating it more and get back to

(01:22:39):
some an era where we didn't have a war of
the sexes at least so anyways, check out his newsletter
and substack.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
Congratulations on all the success, Robin, thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
For joining us. Thanks Andrew Thinkslake.

Speaker 6 (01:22:55):
For more on many of these stories and news you
can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.

Speaker 10 (01:23:00):
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