Iran: Peace At Last?

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Speaker 2 (01:17):
All Right, Happy Tuesday, everybody. I hope you had a
nice Memorial Day weekend. We are back. This is the
Charlie Kirk Show. It is May twenty sixth I had
a great Memorial Day week and Blake had a great Momoris.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
It was awesome. Although if you're watching live, I'm wearing
a hat because I went to Monument Valley and got
scorched across the entire top of.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Mine, which is amazing. Actually, Monument Valley is a total
treasure in this country, up near the Four Corners area,
very remote, but you gotta wear that five hour drive.
We got to get right into it here because it's
a huge day. The grassroots is rising up, the base
is rising up in Texas, and it is the last
day to vote in the runoff between Attorney General Ken

(01:58):
Paxton and incumbent Establishment John Cornyn. And here to help
us out is Ken Paxson himself, mister Attorney General. Welcome
back to the show, sir.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Hey, so good to be back on a very important
day for Texas and I think for the entire nation
to send the right message for Washington, which is, hey,
we're done with the establishment.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Telling us that we're gonna keep a guy.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
That doesn't do the things that Texans care about and
does exactly what Washington wants them to do.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, exactly, so exactly, sir. So first of all, let's
get into the mechanics. Okay, today is the last day
to vote. What are their action steps? You know you
are turning point action endorsed, your president Trump endorsed. You
are the movement conservative in the race. You are the
base and the grassroots conservative. You're the fighter. Where do

(02:48):
people listening right now in the state of Texas? What
are their marching orders?

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Very simple? We have till seven o'clock today. I wouldn't
push it till the end because the line will be longer.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
At the end of the day.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
It's, you know, just after eleven o'clock in Texas, so
you have what eight hours to go vote. I would
really encourage people to get out vote today. Take a friend,
take a family member, call a couple of friends, because
voter turnout for a runoff is going to be relatively low.
I think for the primary round ten or twelve percent.
For the runoff, it's probably eighty five or six percent,

(03:19):
maybe seven. So your vote is leveraged twenty or twenty
five times. If you're voting and if you're bringing friends,
we're going to win the selection.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
That that's a really important point. So turnout is going
to be on the lower side. That's just what happens here,
which makes you and this audience, especially if you're in
Texas right now, have an outsized impact. Okay, so you
need to get up, make a plan, go vote today.
We need to absolutely, once and for all, put an
end to the establishments hostile takeover of the base and

(03:52):
of Texas. I mean, this is let's just give the
audience a little bit of an understanding here, mister General,
how much money has been spent against you at this
point and who's interests are vested in?

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Senator Cornyn, this is almost This is a very high
percentage of money. It's probably close to one hundred and
fifty million at this point. We won't really know until
it sells out, but it was about one hundred million
during the original primary. In the last three months, they're
probably in the forty to fifty range. So lots of
money coming from d C for the most part, and
the idea that they're used to being successful and if

(04:29):
you look at the last forty or fifty years.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Other than Bill Cassidy, there's.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Only been two other incumbents that I know that have
lost from the US Senate during the prime of it
was Richard Luger in twenty twelve because it was a
small state and it was self funder who beat in
Richard Murdoch. And then Mike Lee in a convention state
U talk where money didn't matter, he was able to win.
So it's been very unusual because there's so much money
coming in and they try to convince you from DC

(04:53):
that your guy is just what you want. John Cornyn
loves Donald Trump. John Corn's for the border wall, John
the guy that he's running it.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
This is terrible.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
This is what they do with their one hundred fifty
million and voters go, well, you know, maybe this is
all true and that isn't going to.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Work this time.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah. Well listen, he's been out all over Fox News
this morning. I saw you were on Fox as well.
This is not a you know, but candidly, that's one
of the few places that'll have him right now. And
by the way, we do Fox and there's nothing there.
I'm just saying, this is one of the few places
that'll hear him out right now because base conservative movement

(05:28):
shows like ours, like war Room, It's not gonna happen here.
Check this out. This is him on Fox smearing you
and saying that he can help the president. This is
his final message to the voters. It's not twenty three.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
I know the president cares a lot about the congressional
races that are right below the Senate race. And I
won by ten points in twenty twenty, so I think
I could be the most help to the President and
his agenda in the last two years of his term
of office and all the down ballot races, and Ken
Paxton will be in albatross, could well lose, but even
if he doesn't lose, he will win by such a

(06:04):
razors thin margin that it's likely to have a negative
drag on the down ballot races in Texas.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
So this is his new talking point today, sir, that
you are in albatross. Your response, do.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
You know who he said that about?

Speaker 4 (06:18):
He said that about Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, said
Donald Trump is an albatross around the Republican's deck. So
this is a talking point that he's been using against
Donald Trump, and now he's pulled it out for the
race against me.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
And by the way, he didn't tell you that I.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Won my last race by about ten points. And so
what he's talking about is he's got this narrative going
because he knows he doesn't have anything good to present
to the voters.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
And so he says, look, I didn't do anything in
my forty two years in office.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
I'm an accomplished one good thing, and no one's ever
been able to tell me, by the way, in this entire.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Campaign, the one good thing he did.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
And I've been asking that question since I got in
the race fourteen months ago, and now they and I've
asked it at every meeting, one person thousand what And
so he doesn't have a good, good talking point, So
what does he do? He says, Look, I didn't do
I didn't have to say it this way, but I
didn't do anything good for the voters. I don't take
care of him. I vote against him a lot, I
said with Joe Biden a lot. I'm not for President Trump,

(07:15):
but I can win the election. Vote for me, even
though it's not true, it's not any different than me
running that the numbers don't indicate that he'll do any better.
Matter of fact, some pulls out me doing better than him.
So this is just a made up talking point, and
that's part of how he's used his money to try
to convince voters that of something that's not true.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
This is a ken. I was looking up here since
he said he said the same thing in twenty sixteen.
I thought, oh, let's check that if that was a paraphrase. No, literally, verbatim.
This is CNN. In February twenty sixteen, Majority with John
Cornyn raised serious concerns about Donald Trump's surging presidential bid. Quote,
we can't have a nominee be in albatross around the
down ballot races, Cornyn told CNN when asked if he

(07:54):
had concerns, that is a concern of mine. Unquote. That
is remarkable.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
That is a and totally was he was John. It
was John Forrren right about that.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
I mean, look, he he didn't come back and admit
that he was completely wrong on Donald Trump. As a
matter of fact, he doubled down in twenty twenty four
and said, guess what President Trump's.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
Day is over. His day is over, and I'm we.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Need another nominee that can that can leave the party
and do better in the general election.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Listen, he didn't he didn't use the Alba Truss word,
but he said his day is done. And what I'm
saying today is no, John, President Trump's day is not done.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
Your day is done.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, it's it's obscene too. I mean, he's he's been
weak on immigration, he's been weak on MAGA America. First,
he's a total established mccrony. One hundred and fifty million
dollars poured into this race that should have been used
on other races. Targeting you, smearing you is absolute proof
in the putting that we need to get these guys
out of DC once and for all. They are not
the right fit for Texas. John Corny's got to go.

(08:55):
This is not in the bag though. People need to
show up today. Go to and you you were tweeting
this at this link. Out vote Texas DOTUV, find a
polling place, get behind Attorney General Packson is your next
senator from the great state of Texas. Senator uh mister
Attorney General. Final fifteen seconds to you, sir.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Look, we have a chance to send a message. It's
one of two.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
The first message is we're gonna we're gonna accept what
they tell us in Washington. We're gonna keep their guy
second message. No, we're gonna start shaking things up. We're
gonna send somebody to Washington.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Let you do something good to the state of Texas
and for this country.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Guys, this the Steaks could not be bigger in this race.
This is a giant middle finger to you. The one
hundred and fifty million dollars they pumped into this race
that should have been spent in North Carolina, Georgia, should
have been spent in Michigan. Instead, they're trying to take
out a good man that the grassroots loves, the base loves.
So go to we gotta have your back, we gotta

(09:51):
get a let's let's let's go big. I want to
see a decisive victory defeating John Cornyon today in the
state of Texas. I believe that tech since can do this.
God bless you, sir. We got your back one hundred
percent to President Trump indoors Turning Point Action endorsed, and
you know, I think more importantly than anything, Grassroots endorsed.

(10:11):
They got your back. You got to show up at
the polls. It's a low turnout race. Your vote means
more now than it ever has in Texas. So if
you're listening in Texas, get out, make a plan, and
bring your friends with them. Thank you, sir, We'll talk
to you soon on the other side of hopefully a
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a huge day in many respects. We just spoke with
Attorney General Kem Pax in the State of Texas, who

(12:22):
is He's taken down a goliath. This is a David
versus Goliad one hundred and fifty million bucks spent on
that primary, not even to beat a Democrat, to beat
a Republican, a good Republican who has President Trump's endorsement,
who has turningboyne actions endorsement.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
You just think about the conversations they might have after this,
because they probably told some people, you know, you're expected
to pony up for this sure thing one percent, and
it's going to be a very awkward phone call.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah the next day.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
I mean, so you set one hundred and fifty million
on fire for a primary that you lost.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Just think about what we could have done with that.
But this is such an important moment in our politics
because these guys keep trying to claw their way back in. Okay,
the Neo khn wing of the party is gone and
needs to be in the dustbin of history. This this
is a party we are. President Trump was elected on peace.
That's why we got to get peace and Iran. We

(13:16):
gotta get this war, this conflict settled. He was he
was elected on the border. John Cornan's week on that
on that topic extraordinarily, So he's a he's a total softy.
Everything in John Cornan's being has been despite his voters.
He doesn't care about what real Texans want, real base conservatives,
grassroots conservatives wants, and he's doing the same old tired

(13:39):
line from the establishment that are always unelectable. He's a
all albatrosse. No, you know who the albatross is. It's
John Cornyan. In a mid term election, it's a base
turnout election. That means, if you get rid of the
guy that gives the base enthusiasm they actually want to
get behind, you're gonna be in albatross to the rest
of the down ballot elections. And that's that's absolutely true.

(14:01):
So he's got it completely inverted. Meanwhile, this weekend, President
Trump's skipping Don Junior's wedding, where everybody's going back to DC.
We're all speculating that there's going to be a more
kinetic warfare in Iran, that the war was going to
restart in a really aggressive way, more fighting. It was
terrified of it. Actually, we were debating We're going to

(14:23):
come in on a Memorial Day weekend because a new
strike had been set up. And no, ultimately that's not
what happened. We got news instead that there was a
pending potential peace deal being negotiated and that it was serious.
Now I was able to be a part of a
on background call with a bunch of different people in

(14:43):
the media. Wasn't like special or something, but I was
grateful to be invited to it and it was really telling.
So let me explain what I learned. I learned that
this expression no dust, no dollars. Okay, what does that mean?
It means a step by step process where if iron
makes good on something, then there will be a carrot

(15:03):
as opposed to a stick and if they restart. We
saw this weekend that we did strike some of these
small boats trying to lay minds in the strait. Now,
what you need to understand is that we have a
growing appreciation, understanding, confidence in the leadership structure that has
emerged after our strikes and taking the head of the

(15:24):
snake operations that happened in Iran. So we know kind
of more now than we did before about who we're
dealing with, who the hardliners are, who the moderates are,
and what we're trying to do is empower the moderates
over the hard line. That war has not been won internally,
but it does appear that the moderates are ascended. So
that's one thing you need to keep in mind here.

(15:44):
But something like the straight of Hormon's mind land, that
could be hardliners that still have power, still have some
authority over some soldiers, dispatching them and going rogue and
intentionally trying to blow up a peace deal. We have
our own hardliners in America that are trying to blow
up the peace. And that's the key here, Blake. We
need to empower and celebrate people that are actually trying

(16:05):
to drive peace. Because listen, if you get the Straight
open and gas prices go below three, if you can
get the nuclear dust, then we've accomplished our missions that
we set up. And again it's a there's no pal
to cash. They wanted to make that extremely clear. This
is not Obama two point zero. This is we will
give you a modicum of sanctions relief if you make

(16:25):
good on allowing us to destroy the nuclear materials. We
will give you more if you open the Straight and
keep it open. And so the more good faith that
you operate in around, the more relief you will get
on the sanctions. This would be a slam dunk, not
only for President Trump, but it would be a slam
dunk for the country and looking towards the midterms, peace

(16:49):
will win.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I think it would. I think we've seen there's been
a lot of controversy over this. There's been a lot
of anger over this. I think I go back to
you know, I go back to what I said when
this first broke out. I was talking about how Charlie
felt about these things. And I think the best way
you can sell this to the public is if this

(17:11):
is the last war we have to fight in the
Middle East, if we can say we can come home,
We're like, we don't have this Iran thing hanging over
our heads forever. We don't need to have tens of
thousands of US troops hanging around in the Middle East
all the time, because this could blow up at any point.
If President Trump is able to get a deal where
he can say this looks like a durable, long term piece.

(17:34):
You know, we can have a few jets there, but
we don't need this huge outlays. We don't need to
be spending billions and billions of dollars every time some
radical decides to go off and start a fuss there.
I think he can present that as a long term
win to the American people and then that can even
hopefully win over the people who feel betrayed by the
war breaking out in the first place.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, well, and that's the thing. I mean, listen, if
you can get that nuclear material actually off the table,
you can reopen the straight I mean, those are our
actual core objectives here. We did not set out necessarily
to get regime change. I think that was a mistake
by some of the hardliners on our side thinking that
that was gonna be automatic. Okay, we knew that it

(18:15):
wasn't going to be automatic. That regime is deeply entrenched.
But if you can empower the moderates, if you can
get the nuclear material, and this was the big breakthrough.
This is why this big breakthrough is for the first
time Iranian officials are seriously talking in depth about how
to get that out of their country. Whether it's China
that helps, whether it's America, whether it's some third party,

(18:37):
they're actually understand that they need to give on that
crucial topic. And that's the breakthrough. If it comes true,
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(19:46):
we're gonna bring in the great Senator Bernie Murreno. Uh, senator,
welcome back to the show. It's good to have you.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
No, thank you for having me, and thank you for
all you're doing well.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Thank you, sir, so I wanted to have you on
because I saw you over the week weekend and I
thought you were hitting just the perfect note on X.
You said, President Trump just delivered another historic win for
America and the world after showing unmatched strength against Iran.
He's now securing a major deal to open up the
Strait of hermod, stabilize energy markets, and prevent around from

(20:16):
having a nuclear weapon. Now, since you have put that
out there on socials, there has been some back and forth.
Right we see that there was a skirmish in the
Strait that we actually struck some boats that were apparently
attempting to lay some more minds. But we can't let
that derail this overarching, this bigger project of getting peace

(20:38):
with Iran. Sir lay out the stakes for our audience here,
how important is this? And I mean I feel like
we are on the precipice. There was a background call
with administration officials that I was on and they said,
we're ninety ninety five percent ironed out here. What do
you want to see happen next?

Speaker 8 (20:55):
Well, first of all, I think it's important, especially for
your listeners, and that people really care about the America
First movement.

Speaker 7 (21:02):
This is America First in action.

Speaker 8 (21:04):
This is about putting the interest of the American people
above all else. This is not an endless war, This
is not foreign interventionism. This is about a simple fact.
Iran can never have a nuclear weapon because they'll use it.
They will attack us with a nuclear weapon. President Trump
had the courage to actually go in there and absolutely

(21:25):
hammer them, destroy their navy, destroy their air force, destroy
their industrial capacity.

Speaker 7 (21:31):
But of course there's pieces left to do.

Speaker 8 (21:34):
Which is open the straight get that trade flowing back up,
and collect all of their nuclear dust. Now we'll use
a tool that allows us to release the frozen assets
of Iran as they deliver that uranium dust back to us.
But we're going to do this on our terms. President
Trump doesn't believe in deals that are in any way

(21:57):
other than.

Speaker 7 (21:58):
To the benefit of the United State.

Speaker 8 (22:00):
Dates So what we got to do is not buy
into the talking points to the left, because look, the
Democrats are cheering, actively cheering for our country to fail,
for our military to fail, for a rand to succeed.
They have no idea what the deal is, and yet
they comment about it. This is going to be a strong,
great deal for the US.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, what your point is really well made there, especially
with people commenting on the deal when they don't know
the specifics of it. You know, that was happening even
before this kind of background call that I was on,
and you know, people trying to clear it up. I mean,
nobody has seen the actual deal points. And by the way,
nothing there's no final deal, so things are still in flux.
And one of the things that people in the audience

(22:42):
really need to understand is that getting these final points
over the finish line is extremely difficult because they're trying
to hide the location of this you know, the sun
the new Ayahtola, if you will. So they I mean,
they're basically using carrier pigeons to get this stuff to him,
and because they're so worried and rightly so, that he'll
be taken out. So but this dynamic Senator, there are hardliners,

(23:08):
even on the right, if you will, the neo con faction,
that before this has even been made public, they're already screaming,
They're wailing. They want us to pursue regime change, they
want us to re engage kinetic warfare. I'm like, no,
first of all, if we can get the dust, if
we can reopen the straight of horror mooves this is

(23:28):
an absolute slam dunk for the American people. You're going
to see gas prices fall below three dollars a gallon
heading into the midterm. Sir, That to me is a huge,
huge piece of this. What do you say to those
hardline factions that want to see regime change.

Speaker 8 (23:43):
Look, we're going to get our mission accomplished. We're not
going to go into an endless conflict. Our mission was
to make certain that they don't have any clear weapon.
If we accomplish that and we have the free flow
of oil and the straight over moose, we're done.

Speaker 7 (23:54):
Now.

Speaker 8 (23:55):
The other pieces that's extremely important is we're going to
turn the Abraham Courts, as say say wee by the way,
President Trump is going to turn the Abraham Accords into
a security military cooperation that spans the entirety of the Midist.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
Countries, and by the way, that may include Iran.

Speaker 8 (24:12):
I think I think some of these guys that have
been knocking the deal, I think they live in a
decade that's long passed.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
We want peace and prosperity in the Middle East.

Speaker 8 (24:23):
We want to make certain that we pay attention to
our own neighborhood, our own needs, domestically and not get
entangled there forever on some sort of social experiment.

Speaker 7 (24:31):
We saw that with an Iraq and Afghanistan. And President
Trump's not gonna do that.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, And I think this is You're making an extraordinarily
important point here, Senator, because a lot of people they
do this to Trump, they do this to Charlie. They
want President Trump to be the image in their head
that he that he is, right. They sort of project
onto him what they most like about, you know, his
campaign or whatever. And they missed the fact that he's
been calling for Iran not to have a nuclear weapon,

(24:56):
you know, basically since the eighties. And you know, and Charlie,
they do the same thing with Charlie. I'm gonna play
this clip because Charlie understood the President, what makes him tick,
his instincts politically better than most, if not all. And
this was just before midnight Hammer, I believe, or it
could have been right after, but this was Charlie on
with Jesse Waters right in that moment and explaining President

(25:20):
Trump's actual military philosophy. UT five.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
President Trump understands his base extraordinarily well. He knows that
his base does not want another Iraq, he does not
want Libya does not want a civil war or bedlam
where the United States is left carrying the bag. But
also President Trump has been morally clear for a decade
Aaran should not have a nuclear weapon, and President Trump
has the talent, the expertise to be able to thread

(25:46):
that needle. President Trump can get that deal done while
fulfilling the mandate that the voters gave him.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
So that is like the Charlie doctrine on the Trump doctrine.
He understands his base. He doesn't want to forever war.
He doesn't want a quagmire. So we can declare victory
if we get that dust and the strait is open,
even without regime change, even without you know, sort of
like you know, settling the Iran issue forever, we still

(26:13):
get what we want. We achieve our objectives in a
very powerful, positive way, and we don't have to put
pot s boots on the ground. We get to go
focus domestically. Am I missing something here, sir?

Speaker 7 (26:26):
You're exactly right.

Speaker 8 (26:27):
And by the way, he's also President Trump able to
envision the world in which I ran as part of
a security and trade agreement in the middle of the
least some of these guys, again, they can't fathom.

Speaker 7 (26:39):
That because they have a very black and white view
of the world. Look, our objective is simple.

Speaker 8 (26:45):
Ran will never have a nuclear weapon, the strait is open,
and we get gas prices down where they were historic lows.
By the way, and then, by the way, also very important,
if Kamala Harris had been elected president, we'd be talking
about ten dollars gallic. They were cheering for gas prices
that go up. We've got to keep that in mind.
But President Trump's accomplishing historic things. He's not going to

(27:08):
be pushed into a bad deal unlike Obama. This is
a very very pro America process here.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Well, when this started, I think a good perspective to have.
We've talked Charlie didn't like the idea of regime change
with Iran. He expressed a lot of worry about this.
But we also thought the best outcome that we could
have out of this is if President Trump is able
to come home from negotiations and say this was not
another Middle East war. This was the last Middle East

(27:37):
war that America has Well, and.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Listen, if you could deal with the nuclear problem, then
that very well could be right, because that's the overarching threat.
The missiles the munition base that they had been stockpiling.
I think the point is this would be historic. And
the hardliners that are pushing this to be some sort
of ground invasion or you know, gonna we're gonna restart

(28:01):
kinetic activities instead of pursuing peace, I think is totally insane.
The President's instinct here are absolutely spot on. He will
be celebrated wildly by this show if he can achieve peace,
and I know the same is true for you, Senator
uh one. We just have about ninety seconds left here,
Senator uh.

Speaker 7 (28:19):
Adult life, Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 8 (28:21):
I was gonna say, my entire adult life, we've been
dealing with a threat from Iran in the Middle East.
Imagine I look, I have a four year old grand
baby and two two year old grand babies.

Speaker 7 (28:30):
Imagine they live in America. That there is no.

Speaker 8 (28:33):
More threat for the Middle East and we have peace
and prosperity there. That's an incredible historic accomplishment from President Trump.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah. Well absolutely, And Senator just one word here. The
last few moments we've got with you, We've got you
know you, Senate, what is it eleven days of work
you guys accomplished in May? Is what you're gonna is
what it's gonna tally up to. The heck is going on?
Can we get to save America app Act pass?

Speaker 5 (28:56):
Like?

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Is there any hope? What's the next step? Sir?

Speaker 8 (28:59):
Well, look, we don't have the votes to do it.
We have we need some personnel change in the Senate.
We need to get more America First patriots in the Senate.
That's what I'm hyper focused on. But right now we
just don't have the votes to get it done.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Well, all eyes are on Texas today with Senator hopefully
the future Senator Ken Paxton, current Attorney General. So this
last date to vote in the runoff there, so we're
behind them. So thank you for being an America First fighter.
Thank you for pushing and fighting for peace. Piece is
the future. Pieces is what this movement is really all about.

(29:34):
So thank you, sir for being one of the leaders
in that. God bless you. Thank you great conversation with
Senator Bernie Moreno there. Pray for peace and pray for Paxton.
Those are your two items on the docket today and
the I wanted just one note of warning caution to

(29:54):
the audience. You're going to be seeing a lot of
propaganda flying back and forth about the details of the
piece arrangement, potential piece deals, the way it's structured. Please
take everything with a huge grain of salt, all right,
Take everything with a huge grain of salt. So you know,
I'm looking at the headlines. You know, the Iran is

(30:17):
saying they need twelve billion dollars you know, basically that's
you know, been tied up via sanctions. They want that
upon signing the deal, and then sixty days later they
want the second half release. Here's what you need to know.
There will be no money, no sanctions relief for Iran

(30:40):
without actionable items that they have met, right, so that
they have obligations based on the framework of this deal,
they must meet them before any of this sanctions relief
is going to happen. That much, I know, I was
on a background call. Like I said, that much was
extraordinarily clear. They have to work and do something first

(31:03):
for any relief. Then they do something else in good faith,
there will be more potential relieve. All right. You also
have to be I just want to say this, Listen,
we don't necessarily get everything that we want in this
deal all the time. That's not the way deals work. Okay,
you got to give something to get something. Often otherwise
we're just gonna be stuck in a situation where we're bombing,

(31:24):
you know, in perpetuity.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
That's how we've gotten into other conflicts that we apport.
So if you want an example, how did the Ukraine
War explode with Russia. Well, one of the things was
Russia was actually coming out and saying, we would like
to negotiate on some of these points, expansion of NATO,
where you guys are putting missiles. We are like, here,
we have a proposed framework deal that we could use
as a starting point for negotiations. And our attitude was

(31:48):
never you know, it wasn't we basically refuse to talk.
We just said here's what you're going to do, and
you're going to accept it or are tough. And then
Russia decided to invade Ukraine and we were suddenly just
now we're on the hook. We're spending hundreds of billions
of dollars on a war that could have been avoided.
And I think there's lessons in that if we had
been willing to, if we'd treated Russia seriously, even if

(32:10):
we said we don't like a lot of what you
do a lot of what you do is bad, but
we don't want a giant war either. That all could
have been avoided. And I think similarly with Iran, we
can concede. This is a backwards regime, it's a stupid regime.
It's a regime that seems to despise its own people.
But we also it's not a country that we want
to have one hundred thousand US troops occupying. It's not

(32:32):
a country that we want to spend another twenty five
years trying to remake into a Western style democracy. So
if we're going to be stuck living with them, how
can we live with them?

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah? No, I totally agree. Ultimately, it gets to a
point where we've done what we can do. That's essentially
the easy part. None of it's easy, per se. But yeah,
you can drop bombs and strike their manufacturing facilities, you
can take out their military, you can put their navy
at the bottom of the sea. But what can they do.
They can cling onto power their people are not armed.

(33:05):
They can intimidate, assault, murder their own people to the
point where they're not willing to come out in the
streets and overthrow them. And they can cause a lot
of problems in the Strait. They can charge tolls, they
can lay minds, they could essentially keep the world's energy
supply hostage. Okay, so those are the dividing lines. If

(33:26):
you are going to overthrow the regime. To Blake's point,
you're committing to tens of thousands of US troops being involved.
You're committing to a ground force that will take out
the regime. You're committing to funding and arming. Here's the
real truth of militants.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
You don't know what you're committing to because it's another
open ended conflict. And if you had gone to people
in two thousand and two and said, this is what
your involvement in Afghanistan is going to entail when you
send troops there. If you had gone to Bush in
two thousand and three and said this is what your
commitment going into entail, would you take it? I think
they would say no, because it's very easy to tell

(34:04):
people before you go in, this will be easy, it'll
be in and out in a few months. And once
you're in, as we've already seen, it's difficult to back out.
And the same people who told you it'll be easy
will tell you the next step will be really easy. Well,
they weren't right the first time.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, I mean, listen, and you're absolutely spot on to
look at the Russia deal. Listen, both sides get a
say in a war. All right. There was a possibility
that when we started striking around that the regime was
going to be toppled instantly. That has proven to be untrue.
They are more entrenched than we maybe hoped, all right,

(34:38):
they were more able to cling to power. Then, for example,
Israel told the president and his advisors, all right, Israel
painted a very rosy picture about what it would take
to topple this regime. Well, that hasn't happened. Okay. So
when you see that that has not happened, and you
go back and you say, hey, let's redo our calculus. Here,

(34:59):
what's possible, it's not. What are we willing to do?
What are we not willing to do? Then the math changes.
The math right now is that they are going to
cling to power one way or than the other. For
right now. Now, we might get to the end of this,
We might sign this deal and you get a little
modicum of peace for a few weeks, a few months,
and the people rise up and they take back their government.
That could happen. Is it America's obligation beyond the nuclear

(35:23):
weapon which President Trump has made it his prerogative to take,
make sure that they do not have a nuclear weapon,
they do not have nuclear material, They are not enriching.
If you can take that off the table and that
straight can be open, this is a good deal. We
should take it, which declare victory. We should say our
our strategic objectives have been achieved, and we are going
home to focus domestically because our nation needs that type

(35:47):
of investment. Our people need that type of creativity and
focus here domestically. If we have any hope in the
midterms of fighting off a historical trend where the incumbent
power loses during the midterms, we need to be focused here.
We need three dollars gas, We need two fifty guests,
all right. Affordability must be addressed, home ownership must be addressed.
Getting the next generation to believe in America must be addressed.

(36:10):
These are the issues family formation, making it affordable for families,
unleashing the prosperity of this country for the next generation.
That's how you win long term. That's how you deliver
long term gains. Politically, you can't be distracted in quagmires
in the Middle East. So cut your losses, accept your victories,

(36:30):
declare victory, and get what you can and get out
and let the Iranium people deal with the regime. That
should be the focus. Agree, I think so, I think
we can.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
We've seen we're living out a lot of the warnings
of people who said that we just need to get
out of the Middle East because it's a very thankless area.
It's a place where there's a lot of there's a
lot of people invested in just endless conflict.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
There.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
There's a lot of people who will always see this
big victory just over that next hill, just over the
next bombing run, and a lot of them are very
persuasive people, but you just have to say no, this
has not been working out for the US, and America's
gotten weaker every time we've done this. Twenty years ago,
we could go to war with Iraq and it just

(37:17):
felt we're so strong, we can dominate everyone. We have
unlimited resources. We did that with Afghanistan as well, and
every time we've done this, we've gotten a little weaker.
And now we just have to confront the fact America
is not this all conquering superclass.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
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the ages have found invading a you know, huge country
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And what better way as we come off Memorial Day
weekend honoring our fallen heroes that have made this country
great and possible, and as we move into the two
hundred and fiftieth celebration in through the summer and July fourth,
then do celebrate July fourth with Steve Days, who's a
great American and he's got a new book out why
Independence Day America is great because God is good. Steve,

(40:26):
welcome back to the show, my friend.

Speaker 9 (40:28):
Good to see you, guys.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
How are you Congratulations on the book. This is the
third in a trilogy of kids' books, which you know,
it's like, listen, we have these really prestigious you know,
academics on that have these really serious books. This to
me is even more important because we got to teach
the next generation about why they should love America, why

(40:51):
they should have faith in America. It's more important than
ever Steve, Why did you write this book? And what's
it about?

Speaker 10 (40:58):
So my publisher came to me a few years ago
and said, hey, you know after Russia's passing, you know,
he had these Rush Revere books that were very successful.
Would you be willing to step into that space? And
I'm like, listen, man, I can't shake the dust off
of Russia's sandals.

Speaker 9 (41:14):
But then I got to thinking.

Speaker 10 (41:15):
About it over the next day or two and I thought, well,
what if we did something even more unique? What if
we looked at America's Christian heritage for children? And I
propose that as a trilogy. The publisher loved it. We
launched the first one, Why Thanksgiving in twenty twenty two.
It was a national bestseller. We had Why Easter in
twenty twenty four, and then the finale was always going
to be for America's two hundred and fiftieth Why Independence Day,

(41:38):
And then it's just a matter of what the subtitle
was going to be, and so we decided to go
with America is Great because God is good, and you
just see his providence, his hand of providence all throughout
our history. You see our founders refer to it. It's
mentioned several times moments and events that just could not
have happened without the hand of God intervening in human history.
And we wanted to tell this story for our kids.

(41:59):
I mean, really, the American story, the two hundred and
fiftieth Birthday of America. Guys, it's an event three thousand
years in the making. Charlie used to point out Deuteronomy
was quoted more than any other book by our founding fathers,
and so we go into all of that, from Moses
at Mount Sinai, through Christ, through the Reformation, and all
of this history that eventually led to this place, this

(42:19):
special place now we're fighting to preserve called America.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, you know. And I'm looking at the book because
you sent a little advance copy to me, so the PDFs.
I'm looking at it right now, Steve, and the illustrations
are great. I have little kids, so I can't wait
to read them this and it really helps you make
the through line very directly and very obviously for the
mind of a child, explaining God's providential hand, And how

(42:46):
like you said, this started three thousand years ago, This
started with God setting apart a people in a nation.
How the you know, the pilgrims came to spread the gospel.
Really you have a refuge here to freely rest their
Christian faith. And how that built the building blocks, the
foundation of the providential hand of God being so visible

(43:10):
in our country. And I think it's beautiful. I can't
wait to read it to my own kids, and I
hope people at home understand the power of that. Why
that's so important, Because maybe Steve, this can be a
question for you explaining all that we're up against. You've
got foreign influence campaigns, You've got a hold half of
the part of the country that seems to hate this place.

(43:32):
It seems to hate what it's about, what it was
founded upon, and it hates the men who founded it
and the ideas that founded it. Why now, why is
this more important than ever?

Speaker 9 (43:41):
Because of everything you just said.

Speaker 10 (43:43):
And we are at a generational nice edge right now,
and we are either going to pass these things on
to the next generation or they're going to be lost
in this next generation.

Speaker 9 (43:55):
And if you just look at our history, there.

Speaker 10 (43:57):
Are events that are just mathematically incalculable, the the odds
that the the the Puritans would would go here across
the channel and land in a place where it just
so happened that they run into a guy named Squanto
who's an Indian who was taught the Bible by English
speaking Uh, you know, settlers over in over in, over

(44:19):
in in in the the old Land, the old country,
and he just happens to be there within close proximity
to Massachusetts Bay Colony. Pardon me, to help them understand
this new world they were in, and the tribes and
and and the and and and all the customs they
were landing into. The odds of that are incalculable.

Speaker 7 (44:39):
Guys.

Speaker 10 (44:39):
You see this all throughout our history, and it's why
one of the terms our founders used the most was
this term providence, which literally just means supernatural acts of
God that are otherwise inexplicable.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, and and I'm just pulling some images here for
the team so they can put them up here. I
just love the way this thing is animated and in
I mean, you know, and you give little Bible lessons here,
which I love. You're talking about the founding of the country,
something we actually talked about yesterday on our Memorial Day
special A Lot with the Boys of seventy six and

(45:14):
seventy seven and O'Donnell historian, great conversation we had with him,
so please check that out. But you know you're saying,
since we have God's spirit in us now to teach
us right from wrong, we don't need government rules as
much as we used to. Sure, we still need things
like the police to protect us, because there are still
bad people doing bad things, but we don't need a
king to act like he's got he's a God when

(45:36):
we already know the one true God. I'm just I'm
flipping through the pages here, and these are the type
of lessons like you're explaining that we the people are sovereign.
You're explaining why how God set up those structures of government,
how they're sort of well they not sort of, they
are God breathed, they are illuminated in the pages of scripture.
And America is special because our form of government reflects

(46:00):
Gods designed for his people.

Speaker 10 (46:02):
It's beautiful, corrective, correct, Well, thank you very much, appreciate that.
And you know, when I was watching I've you guys
seen the new movie A Great Awakening about George Whitfield.
If you has seen that yet, it's very well done.
And one of the things that Ben Franklin says to
the British ambassador, and it's funny. I thought that's a
line right out of the children's book that I have
coming out. When I saw this about a month and

(46:23):
a half ago, is he says to the British ambassador
in a scene, Well, they think now that they have
God in their lives and we've had awakenings spiritually, that
they don't need a dreaded sovereign anymore.

Speaker 9 (46:35):
They don't need a king.

Speaker 10 (46:36):
They think that Jesus is King, Christ is King and
they're fine just you know, living individually with Him in charge.
And I set up in my seat, guys when I
saw that in the theater, because again, that's right out
of the page of my book that you just shared there, Andrew,
and I think this is key to the understanding of
how we came about as a people.

Speaker 9 (46:56):
This line's been attributed to many folks.

Speaker 10 (46:58):
I think it originated with William pay that if men
were angels, they wouldn't need government. So we do need government.
We're not angels, right, we are sinners, but we need
government that is limited. Why do we need a government
that is limited? Because the people working in the government
are sinners too.

Speaker 7 (47:14):
That's why.

Speaker 9 (47:15):
That's why God is not a respector of persons.

Speaker 10 (47:17):
We're the people working in that Both the governed and
the government are full of sinners.

Speaker 9 (47:22):
So we need just.

Speaker 10 (47:23):
Enough to restrain the sinful acts of the people and
to provide justice when they do sin. This is what
Paul means in Romans thirteen, to be an avenging angel
against the evil do or. That's the purpose of government,
but not so much now that you use your sinfulness
to go back to the original sin and say I
am God, and government then becomes a god. It's the
old Chesterton line. When government removes the god, the government

(47:45):
becomes the God.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah. We see that completely on the progressive left, and
we see it's sometimes little elements of it on the right. Steve,
this is why getting back to foundational principles is so
important right now. I mean, there's a point to being
pragmatic in politics. I totally agree we can be over ideological.
But if you don't have these basics and these understanding,

(48:09):
and you don't instill them in your children at a
very young age, this country is going to be in
a world of hurt. We will not pass this great
blessing that is America on to the next generation. You know,
let's talk about so your book, I mean really under
girding that your entire premise for writing it is we
lost a great man in rush Limbah too soon died

(48:31):
of cancer and it was heartbreaking. I know, it broke
Charlie's heart. And then we lost Charlie another great man,
and we lost them too soon, such a powerful voice
for young people. And there is this sense you know,
I you know a lot of people given to dooming
and black pilling because we lost these two great men
and we needed them. It feels like we needed them.

(48:54):
But you're one of those guys that is stepping into
that and doing the piece that you can. And that's
all we're trying to do here by keeping the Charlie
Kirk Show alive, is doing our peace and doing what
we can through turning point and maybe reflect on that,
just that dynamic, because there is a lot of people
that see what's happened that you know, see what happened

(49:15):
in the movement, the fracturing the frame at the eight edges,
this foreign influence whatever it is, why are you stepping
into the void?

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Steve?

Speaker 10 (49:24):
I think that number one. If your worldview begins with
the assertion that God supernaturally intervened his hand into human
history to raise his dead son to life, and that
the last enemy death has been conquered, then I don't
think you're permitted a despair driven worldview. Despair is a

(49:46):
dialect of hell. I don't think you're permitted nihilism. Listen,
we love Gallows humor. On our show, we kid about
being vant to black, but it's clearly to our audience
a joke, Okay. I mean, ultimately, if you believe resurrection
comes after Good Friday, then there's always hope. You think

(50:07):
the world's dark, now, how about Hey, we killed God. Guys,
it's pretty dark world. It's as dark as it gets.
It's been a lot darker than this. I mean the
story of the people that founded the country, the Puritans,
who were they fleeing. They were not fleeting Islamic infiltration
like we're seeing in the West.

Speaker 9 (50:22):
They weren't fleeing.

Speaker 10 (50:23):
You know, Pagan communists didn't even exist yet during the
post Reformation era, where Catholic monarchs would persecute Protestants and
Protestant monarchs would persecute Catholics. They weren't even fleeing a
Catholic monarch. They were fleeing a Protestant king who wanted
to tell them what exactly they could and could not preach,
and what they could and could not say. John Bunyan wrote,
you know Pilgrim's progress. He was in prison for over

(50:45):
a decade by a Protestant king because he didn't want to.

Speaker 9 (50:48):
Have his sermons checklisted and approved.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
By the crown.

Speaker 9 (50:52):
It can get a lot.

Speaker 10 (50:53):
Darker than things currently are. And so to me, there's
always hope, and I'm not you know, it's funny. I
think I'm getting more offers and opportunities to do things
because of the giant void that Charlie's murder left and
others that I'm speaking to too, and we're all saying
the same things to each other, like there's like fifteen

(51:15):
of us that are getting asked to fill some of
this space here.

Speaker 9 (51:18):
How does this one guy do all of this?

Speaker 10 (51:21):
We all still have our old jobs, We've got to
do all the other stuff we were doing. I'd this
guy go do all this stuff that the fifteen of
us are now trying to all figure out amongst ourselves.
But one of those things I just got invited to do.
One of those things was was to do it a
heritage tour with Speaker Mike Johnson and last week in DC,
And I have to tell you it's rare to say

(51:43):
anything out of DC is inspiring. But going there and
seeing a lot of this history, to be in that
prayer room that is halfway between the offices of the
Majority Leader and the Speaker, to see these marble statues,
to see these paintings that I shared a lot of
them with our audience today. It refilled my tank. It
reminded me of what it is that we're really fighting
for here, that this really is the last best hope

(52:05):
this nation is, as far as we know anyway, the
last best hope for this planet before Christ returns. And
so I'm as fired up as i've as I've been
in a long time just by getting that personal reminder
of the stakes here and why it is, why it
is so volatile. It's because of what this country stands
for and what happens to the rest of this planet

(52:26):
if this country goes away.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah, that's beautifully said. And you know, and JD. Van
said the same thing in the aftermath of when we
lost Charlie, is like, we all just have to do
the little piece that we can, because Charlie was a
giant and he did so much and he was tireless.
He just had this engine where he just wouldn't stop going.
He was always trying to squeeze out thirty more minutes

(52:49):
of his day, squeeze out five percent more productivity, again
and again and again over years. And that's how you
get a Charlie Curkr.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
It was so it's so incredible to remark upon just
because he even could fit in. He did even fit
in the leisure so he had his he had his
sabbath that he would do on Saturdays. He still managed
to watch the Cubs, watch the Ducks. And yet he's
still off maximizing his work time so effectively, always always
organizing something, always planning the next thing, always, He's just

(53:20):
such a model of high effectiveness across one's life. Yeah,
and I think I'm glad we'll always have that.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah. Well, and he I think you're doing a great
job too, Steve, of just being courageous as well. And
I think this time really calls for a lot of
courage to call it out. There's a lot of voices,
and we'll just keep it vague for now because it's
Tuesday after Memorial. Dan. I want to feel the unifying
spirit of it, but you know, there's a lot of
question of whether or not they're actually being effective. And

(53:48):
I think they're being somewhat effective of discouraging us, of
getting us divided, but I don't think they're nearly as
effective as people are concerned that they are. And I
know that you agree with this on some level. Maybe
spend the last minute of our talk remarking on that.

Speaker 10 (54:06):
One of the things I think we're going to find
in this era is that you can build an audience
that is a mile wide but an inch deep, and
that that audience and influence are not necessarily the same thing,
meaning that where are the people you are reaching?

Speaker 7 (54:19):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Where?

Speaker 9 (54:19):
Where can you create a critical mass?

Speaker 10 (54:22):
And ultimately, you know, metrics can be faked, numbers can
be faked. Ultimately you are the merchandise you can move
and the people you can mobilize, because that's those are constants.
Everything else is a variable, and those are constants. And
to me, I think that a great tell if you're
listening to the right content is does it bring you

(54:44):
closer to God's word and make you want to be
more christ Like? And if the answer to that question
is yes, then then get then hug that content even closer.
And if the answer to that question is no, then
run away from it as fast as you can.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
That's a great way to end it. Steve Days, congratulations
on your book. Thank you for your contribution and your courage.
Let's stay the course. Pray for peace, Pray for Paxxton
in Texas. We've got things to do. Steve Days, be well,
my friend. I'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 9 (55:13):
God bless.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Charlie used to talk a lot about Angel Studios and
what they were building, and as you know, I've been
a longtime fan of it for the same reason. So
I want to share some of my favorite films and
shows on Angel and I put them all into one
easy to use watch list. This is content that's actually
worth your time, not just noise or recycled talking points,
but stories that go a level deeper and ask better questions.

(55:37):
That's what stands out about Angel to me. They're willing
to put out films and documentaries that don't just follow
the usual script, especially when it comes to politics, culture,
and the bigger conversations you and I should be having.
So on my watch list you'll find picks that lean
into those topics, but there are also solid options for
family or just something meaningful to watch at the end
of a stressful day. If you want to check it out,

(55:58):
go to angel dot com slash Charlie and take a
look at the watch list I put together.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Our next guest we're having on Noah Rothman. He's a
senior writer at National Review, and he's the author of
Blood and Progress, a history of left wing violence in America.
It's brand new and obviously on a topic you and
I both care a great deal about. Noah, Are you there,
I'm here, Welcome to the show. So I should just

(56:28):
say the first seven pages of this are a retelling
of an experience. We all are going to remember the
rest of our lives what happened with Charlie, and in particular,
something about it that should never be memory hold, and
people are doing their best to do it, which is
the wave of I'll just say, insane lies afterwards, trying

(56:49):
to spin what happened as an act of far right
wing violence against Charlie from Lawrence Tribe, a former professor
at Harvard, tried to argue that it was right wing violence.
Heather Cox Richardson, one of the most popular substackers, She
just said, oh, this is this is Greiper type violence
that did this when we saw very quickly that all

(57:10):
of the evidence rests with this being left wing transmotivated violence.
But as your book gets into, Noah, this is part
of a very long term pattern on the left that
there's sort of been a for lack of a better word,
a conspiracy to suppress that this is going on. Can
you elaborate on that thesis.

Speaker 11 (57:29):
Yeah, I think a conspiracy is a great word for it.
And it's not as though there's a coordinated effort here.
It's an unspoken set of interests that end up making
mainstream media professionals and otherwise responsible communicators just subordinate everything
they know about copycat violence, about responsible reporting to an ideological,
motivated desire to convince the rest of the American people

(57:53):
that the right, the American right, is uniquely violent and
always responsible for big episodes of political violence this country.
We hear about it all the time. We heard about
it after Charlie Kirk We heard about it after the
assassination of Brian Thompson, United Healthcare CEO. We hear about
it whenever there's an attack on an ice facility three
times last year, including one that involves sophisticated ambush tactics.
We hear about it after the president is almost assassinated,

(58:15):
not once, not twice, but thrice. Eventually, you have to
wonder if this line has any substance, any merit to it.
And that's what I investigate in this book. Not only that,
but Blood in Progress, A Century of left Wing Violence
in America exposes the degree to which very recent scholarship
has only begun to explore the recent the waves of
left wing political violence in this country in the nineteen twenties,

(58:37):
nineteen tens, nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties, and today, and you
begin to see a lot of similarities across these violent movements,
where individuals who engage in perhaps deluted thinking, but deluted
thinking that is encouraged by influential people in the orbit
of very responsible institutional figures in this country that encourage

(58:58):
this sort of thing and refuse to look it squarely
in the face, telling themselves that, oh, we don't have
a violence problem. It's largely a myth the right is
the real problem in this country.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
And we have a clip that I just have to play.
This is from CNN saying exactly that it's not twenty five.

Speaker 12 (59:14):
While America's roots are soaked in bloodshed. Violence in the
country today is mostly from right wing extremism, from Oklahoma
City to Charlottesville to January sixth. There is simply no
equivalent on the left.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
No disagree. How would you reply to that.

Speaker 11 (59:36):
Well, it's a refrain, and it's a refrain that serves
not really to explore the issue, but to excuse ignoring it. Increasingly,
I feel like that's the only logic associated with issuing
that that reflexive reaction whenever there's an episode of left
wing violence in this country, obviously conclusively demonstrated by investigators

(59:57):
and a law enforcement and it's a supported by some
dubious statistical statistical games that I think are being played
with some of these databases that are used to justify
this claim. The adled Anti Defamation League has won, University
of Cincinnati has another, and they're cited repeatedly, and if
you explore them, the statistical breakdowns of right wing violence

(01:00:18):
include prison violence, gang violence, intra family violence, sometimes somebody
who spray paints the side of a church, right wing violence,
a homeless man who starts hurling racial slurs in a
hotel yay and attacks them right wing violence. That the
data begins to look kind of corrupted the more you
look into it. And then there's this report authored for
the Department of Homeland Security in twenty twenty one that
alleges that left wing violence is not well studied because

(01:00:41):
there are intimidation campaigns marshaled against people who study it,
reputational damage, the threat of physical harm for doing that
kind of work, and as well the fact that people
who are participants in these often violent left wing movements
are themselves the authors of studies exploring the phenomenon. So
it is a fatally subjective enterprise if it's not hopelessly corrupted.

(01:01:03):
And by telling these stories, and I don't break it
down into statistics, I'm not This book does not contend
that right wing violence does not exist. That would be
a child's argument, which I encounter all the time. But
it does complicate the argument that is issued by the
left and left wing institutions like the Southern Poverty Law Center,
which maintains left wing violence is a quote unquote myth,
and confronts them with the fact that the evidence they're

(01:01:24):
relying on to make that claim is deficient, if not corrupted.
I hope that this book leedd in Progress, A Century
of left Wing Violence in America, gets its hands into
the right audiences, because, if anything, I just want them
to confront the fact that they have been banding about
this notion, not in order to correct the record, but
to avoid looking at the whole spectrum of political violence

(01:01:47):
in this country. And until we get our hands around
the whole problem, we're never going to solve it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
You mentioned that there's commonalities that there was lefting violence
in the tens and twenties, we saw another in the
sixties and seventies, and you could say we've seen another
surge of it, certainly since about twenty nineteen, twenty twenty
or so in the US with BLM. Yeah, mostly peaceful stuff.
You mentioned there's commonalities between them. Are what are the
common threads of a surge of left wing violence?

Speaker 11 (01:02:15):
So if you go back to the nineteen tens, nineteen twenties,
which is where I start, the anarchist, socialistic wave of
terror bombings, which only the recent scholarship into it only
in this century. All of the people who explore this
phenomenon note that it's forgotten in much the same way
that the nationalist movements that tried to assassinate Harry Truman
and shot up Congress and the nineteen fifties were forgotten

(01:02:37):
orre the Marxist terror cells of the seventies were forgotten.
But across the spectrum you see some similarities, like what
they used to call propaganda of the deed, which is
today more likely to be referred to as direct action.
These are spectacular attacks that are designed in the minds
of their perpetrators to galvanize a broader audience and ignite
broader violence that will beget the revolution. A lot of

(01:02:58):
this is very revolution in nature and Marxian in nature.
Small cell, leaderless organizations. Again, when that ice terrorst cell attacks,
including one that involved about ten members using fireworks to
lure out their targets and overlapping fields of fire. Again
very sophisticated attack on law enforcement. But you usually see
attacks on law enforcement when these waves of left wing

(01:03:21):
violence begin, because they regard the state as much as
an enemy and in league with the American right as
they do the right wing adversaries who they typically organize against.
And lastly, the intellectual notion that systemic oppression licenses extra
legal violence, however they define it. It is the sort
of permission structure they give themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
No that reminds me when you say it like that
of you know, Hassan Piker who went on with the
New York Times and talking about social murder, right that,
you know, Brian Thompson was guilty of all this social murders,
so he had it coming. And then you saw those
nitwits outside of the Mamdani press conference or whatever where
they you know, I forget the two ladies' names, with
their you know, media credentialed, and they're literally two weeks

(01:04:05):
later they're talking about social murder, social murder. All it
is is this elaborate philosophy that they've baked up to
justify murder, to justify violence, to justify extra you know
sort of means proactive means. You see this of the
Antifa handbook right doctor intifat Rutgers University, where the whole
thing is a handbook of how do you preemptively attack

(01:04:26):
people you politically disagree with. This is fundamental to their worldview.

Speaker 11 (01:04:30):
Yeah, and it's it's meeting out real violence, real bloodshed
in response to a highly theoretical metaphorical violence. That again
that they talk themselves into. Those two ladies, three ladies,
one of them was less talkative than the others. We're
very illustrative of this phenomenon, right. It was a ghoulish display.
They competed with one another to be more offensive, to

(01:04:51):
be more inhuman and literally I use that word because
they were utterly devoid of human empathy and compassion. And
then what is the point of this whole thing? It
was Lean Weiss brought was her name, who said, listen,
we're the most subservient count population, and in the history
of this planet, we would have had a revolution by
now if you shared my apprehensions and my anxieties. And

(01:05:12):
I'm sure she's right. The thing is most people don't,
so in the leftist mind, they have to invent these
causes and then meet out real, vicious violence in order
to demonstrate to you that the God can bleed, that
we can destroy this holy immoral system if we just
all take a sledgehammer to its foundations. It's what they want,
and this book elaborates on why.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Well, let's play a clip of Charlie saying exactly that
its top twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
This is all they have is violence. At the core
of the left. At the core of a liberal is
someone that would use the sword if they had it.
They are very violent people at their core. They always
have it. They can't debate, they can have conversation, so
they'll resort to these tactics.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Charlie always underst did the left fundamentally, and you make
an argument in your book that they're willing to endure
a certain amount of this violence. I want to show
you this new poll that poster Rich Barris sent me
over the weekend. He's doing some polling about the left,
and he was freaked out. He's like, man, they're getting

(01:06:21):
more radical. So you could see this. Fifty nine point
four percent of those polled basically say they're democratic socialists,
twenty one percent say unsure, twelve percent say traditional liberal,
and six point two just say we're socialists. So the
question then becomes, is the Democrat Party becomes more radical? Noah,

(01:06:41):
should we just sort of anticipate that they are comfortable
with more and more violence, because I don't want to
over prescribe and say they're all comfortable with assassination. I
know that's not true, but there's certainly some that are,
and there's even more that are comfortable with overt acts
of disruption, chaos, political violence, vandalism. That seems to be

(01:07:03):
pretty darn mainstream on the left. Now, how much are
they like right now, if you took a snapshot of
the Democrat Party or the progressive movement in the United States,
how much violence are they comfortable with?

Speaker 11 (01:07:15):
Well, I go into the polling in the book, and
it depends obviously on the survey and the sample and
the time that the survey has taken. But there are
trends that indicate that increasing numbers of Democrat affiliating voters
in this country tell pollsters, not just to themselves, are
willing to tell pollsters that they do support some level
of violence in order to suppress speech they don't like,

(01:07:38):
for example, or to forget positive social change as they
see it. I think the vast majority of responsible Democrats
do not support violence in the streets. That said, there
is an element within the Democratic Party that is attracted
to people power. When they see people on the street, mobs,
vast numbers of protesters. They see in that a reflection

(01:07:59):
of what they regard as romantic zeal enthusiasm for their
political project, and then they subordinate all they know, all
the caution just goes out the window in order to
embrace those groups and channel and harness that energy into
what they believe will be positive social change. So they
did that with Occupy Wall Street. Even if you ask
any member of Occupy Wall Street if they had any

(01:08:20):
use for Democrats, they would tell you throw them all
into the East River. We don't need them. Didn't matter
even if they were engaged in lawless acts of violence,
attacking federal facilities, attacking law enforcement, shielding perpetrators of violence
and rape from law enforcement, all that was just pushed
aside in order to try to harness this energy. They
did the exact same thing ten years later with the

(01:08:42):
George Floyd protests, seeing in that some measure of political
enthusiasm that could get them over the hump, get them
past the election with Trump, and to a certain extent, succeeded,
but also traded in a lot of responsible governance to
ingratiate themselves with a movement that anybody should have known
at the time was potentially violent and certainly not sympathetic

(01:09:04):
to the broadest number of Americans. But they just have
this attachment to the enthusiasm in the streets that can
that can be harnessed and controlled by the worst demagogues
in this country. Well, they just subordinate everything they know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
That sounds like they're just willing to sell their soul
to the devil if they can think they can win
an election.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
And it's so infuriating, Noah, that I just I think
of like the double thing that must go on where
a lot of these people can hear a report on
CNN or you know, whatever they call MS now or
whatever that'll say violent. We've checked the numbers, and political
violence is overwhelmingly a right wing phenomenon. And yet at
the same time, you know, I know, I think everybody knows,

(01:09:42):
even members of the left will sometimes essentially gloat about
this that it's never an event on a campus is
never going to be canceled because of right wing violence,
But it will because left and violence. They barricade the building,
they set things on fire, they terrorize people, and as
we know, they are capable of committing murder. Similarly, with
after the George Floyd stuff. No one's ever worried an

(01:10:04):
entire neighborhood is going to get torched by right wing violence.
But it's happened with left wing violence. We've never had
an urban takeover. We had a left wing radicals took
over downtown Seattle for what a month.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
And summer of love.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Yeah, exactly, the chaz chop, whatever you want to call it.
It's one thing after another. And I guess, how does
this double thing work? Are they just yeah, compartmentalizing? This
is not real violence. And I should also mention the
courthouse siege in Portland. You can have left wing agitators
basically besiege a federal building for weeks on end, and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
There's politicians defended.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
There's no equivalent of this on the right in America.

Speaker 11 (01:10:43):
It happens all the time. We've gotten almost used to it.
The violence in Portland and places in Los Angeles, for example,
descends almost nightly on these cities. It's kind of regarded
as like a quirky feature of the urban scene. And
it is just the decay of modern social life. It's
the breakdown of elementary governance. And yes, you're right, there

(01:11:03):
is no equivalent when it comes to the threat environment.
The threat environment is so pronounced that proactive action like
shutting down events has become common currency. And it's not
something that has an equivalency on the right, but there is.
You know, there's a taboo here that I can work
with when the left says, well, the right is uniquely
violence implicit in violent implicit in that is the notion

(01:11:25):
that political violence is bad, right, because they wouldn't be
accusing you of it if it was good. So there's
an element there that reasonably understands that the American people
writ large are not attracted to political violence. Abhorror political
violence regarded as a threat to the social fabric. That's good,
that's social Stigma's valuable. I want to encourage that, but

(01:11:45):
I want to encourage it by also taking a look
at what rightling violence looks like these days, the degree
to which it mirrors some of the black block tactics
that we see again nightly displayed in cities in which demonstrators,
professional agitators and organizers who dress on uniform somehow have
respirators and gas masks delivered to them by shady shady

(01:12:07):
actors just pop up out of nowhere and get unloaded
out of a u haul. This happens with disturbing frequency.
And by putting this all these events together in this book,
Bled and Progress, I hope that we can create a
portrait that compels the American left to look at this
phenomenon because it has been delineated and such as in
this fashion they get away with it by analyzing each

(01:12:29):
event of left wing political violence in isolation, never drawing
the threads are that any logical inference would allow them
to draw, and then telling themselves that the right wing
has a monopoly on political violence in this country. By
establishing the timeline as I have, I hope, and with
eighty pages of notes, I dare you defy you to
go check my work. I hope someone does. I'm creating

(01:12:53):
a roadmap here for individuals who want to confront the
left with their tacit and complicit except of a rising
tide of political violence on their side, with everything they
have allowed to flourish. It's when it's put all together
like that, it's a pretty damning portrait.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
I think I think it is. And I, by the way,
I love the title of your book because it's sort
of a play on the lefts and the SPLC is
their favorite sort of boogeyman blood and soil, and you're like,
how about blood and progress? Because now you guys have
to own it. And I think it was really important
timing with this book. No so thank you for writing it,

(01:13:30):
and thank you for putting together the thesis statement that
they're going to have to contend with now that the
left is a movement very priory, especially in our moment
and throughout history to political violence. Thank you, Noah, God
bless me. Thank you guys. It's an honor to be here.

Speaker 7 (01:13:44):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
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