The False Christianity of Tofu Talarico

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Speaker 4 (01:17):
All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is
May twenty seventh. Man, this month is flown by. We're
here at the y REFI Studios. How we doing, Blake,
We're We're doing great.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
It was a somewhat uh, somewhat boring evening last night.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yeah, well, you know that's what happens when we are
proven correct. I mean not to toot our own horn
too much here, but it's a base turnout operation. That
is what the midterms are. President Trump got behind the
bases candidate and grassroots candidate. Turning Point Action was one
of the first groups to endorse Ken Paxton, and it

(01:51):
was a complete Maga landslide. It really was so happy
third anniversary of his impeachment to Ken Paxton. Total vindication.
I mean, what was the final tally here? It ended up.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
I mean, what's incredible. John Cornan did a lot worse
in round two than he did in round one. In
round one, he won the first round forty two percent overall,
but he needed fifty so it went to a run off,
and in that runoff he only got thirty six percent.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Of the vote. It was a thirty point win. Basically. Yeah,
it was like twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Sixty three point eight to thirty six point two. That
is that is getting routed. It looks like Cornan won
exactly two counties in the whole state.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, and it was Austin. They thought he was gonna
win Dallas, but he didn't, and then they thought Austin
ended up holding on. And then there was one tiny
little county, one of the one of the Border area,
reported like fourteen votes.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Yeah, yeah, it was pretty It was a it's a
very heavily democratic registered.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Count an absolute route. And again, on the third anniversary
of being impeached, Ken Paxton experiences total vindication in this
runoff with Cornyn. But here's the interesting part. Blake and
I were observing that there was over two million votes
cast in the original primary. In the runoff, it was
one point three. Yeah. I mean, if it was extremely

(03:13):
low turnout, which is what we said was gonna happen,
so your vote in the base had a much bigger impact.
Now why is that important, Because, as I said, this
is a base turnout operations. The midterms. You're not gonna
have President Trump on the ballot, so you gotta get
your diehards out. You gotta give him a reason to
get to the polls. That reason is Ken Paxton. Now

(03:36):
why do I bring up the impeachment because that is
already We saw it from Cornan and now we see
it from tallar Rico. Tofu talar Rico as he will
forever be known on this show. There's a lot of
great nicknames being floated around, by the way, Talfreco soy boy,
But I like Tofu Talerico maybe like twenty genders. Tallarico.

(03:59):
I think he's a six gender guy.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
I think he said there's like an infinite number of
sexes or something like that, some some very large, non.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
And not everything in between. Okay, so here here's what
we're We're already seeing the attack lines drawn. It is
pretty obvious. But the I will tell you the rop
up Reublicans have a ton of ammunition against this guy.
Let's just see. This is a taste a first attack
ad going against Tofu Talerico's top seventeen for Matty.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
Voices like Jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness,
my own masculinity, and it's a painful process. Sex is
a is a spectrum and oftentimes it can be very ambiguous.
God is both masculine and feminine.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
And everything in between.

Speaker 6 (04:42):
God is non binary.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
Straight from revelations in the Woke James Bible.

Speaker 6 (04:47):
I want to be aware of that there are many
more than.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Two biological sexes.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
In fact, there are six now existential. That we try
to reduce our meat consumption. That's the right thing to
do and the moral thing to do.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Eleventh Commandment thou shout not smoke brisk at.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
I am proud to say that our campaign has officially
become a non meat cantacn. They're gonna call me a
radical leftist on Texan, un American and bar.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
None the weirdest candidate for Simmitt that Loan Star State
has ever seen.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
I wonder what narrator they got for that. It makes
me think of when I was a kid in the
nineties they'd have these kids movies and the narrator sounds
almost exactly the same.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
It's pretty fun. I mean, it's a pretty spot on ad.
I just have to say, like, the guy is objectively
very weird, and even Democrats are acknowledging this, Like we're
seeing CNN, you know, commentators say he's vulnerable because this
I mean, listen, Texas is not what it once was.
Admittedly there's been a lot of you know, people flooding

(05:50):
into the state, but there's still a lot of fight
in that dog. And I mean, you know, thou shalt
not smoke brisket. That's a good life, that's yeah, because
you don't mess with Texans and their meat. You just don't.
But and the guy is wearing a mask at every
other clip, and he's.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
A lot We should not be arrogant because we've been
through a few races where they've said, oh, this state
will never elect X Y Z. And we kind of
lucked out with Pennsylvania where we said they'd never elect
Federman and they did and Fetterman ended up not being
so bad.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Got a stroke and then he got better. Yeah exactly.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
But you know, Tallerriico seems like a young guy. I
don't He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy
who will get elected.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
And then suddenly Jerico is the manifestation of what happens
to it otherwise, like kind of normal guy. When he
goes through the woken doctrination regimen that the Left wants
for all American males, you come out spineless. Your masculinity
is shriveled on the vine. Like you can't fight anybody,

(06:50):
you couldn't defend a home. You end up twisting yourself
into ideological knots to justify the most heinous things, including abortion,
the transing of kids, all of this stuff. And this,
to me is the heart of the argument, because you've
got David French here, We've got this, this tweet. He said,
can we be done with the pretense that Republican primary

(07:12):
voters vote for MAGA candidates in spite of their apostasy
and corruption. Obviously he's talking about Ken Paxton. The transgressions
is a feature, not a bug. It tells voters they
don't care about law or morality, only power. So here's
my question for you, David French. If I, as a voter,

(07:33):
am confronted with a binary choice between Ken Paxton, who
supports my values, supports a closed border, who's tough on
crime and all those things, supports traditional values and will
vote to support those, but he has, let's just say
a few bumps along the road. Morally, I'm not even

(07:53):
making a values judgment on that necessarily, or saying it's
right or wrong or saying that it's true or false.
I'm just saying, let's assume it is for a second.
And my other choice is Cornyn who wants to flood
the country, who is pro amnesty, or tall Rico, who
wants to trans kids, wants to justify abortion, who wants
to make a third world hell hole out of Dallas

(08:15):
Fort Worth Metroplex. Which is the moral judgment that I
am forced to make if you're going to tell me
that Ken Paxson is somehow morally untoward, but taal Rico
because he says it in a calm beta male.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Let's remember David French basically called James Tallerco. I believe
that the truest Christian in American politics right now?

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, well, and that is Frenchian. That is a way
to do it.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
And it's it's very revolting. It's very disturbing because it's
not like like tall Erico really has made the whole
I am super Christian aspiring minister sort of persona a
big part of his appeal, and the Bible has some
very explicit words about what should happen to those who
want to harm children, which he wants to. He's the

(09:01):
guy who goes on podcasts and says, what do I
love most trans children? That's what I love. Yeah, Bible
has very specific words for that sort of person.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
I mean, this is just wild, like he I mean,
we're running out of time here, but this is.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Placeot twenty something that you love that's not family or friends.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
I love. I'm just saying this because it's on my mind.
The trans children who showed up yesterday at the state
capitol to advocate for their humanity. They shouldn't have to,
but it was an inspiration to watch.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
The first thing he said personally loves is transgenderal. Okay,
he's just strange, you know. And you might think that
this sounds mean, and I don't mean to be mean,
but I just mean to be honest with you. And
I think that's what the audience needs. They need to understand.
I'm not trying to be, you know, sling pejoratives at him.
It's just it needs to be said. I am say, well, Blake,

(10:01):
Blake has his own approach here, but let's just play
like this is him justifying the murder of babies. This
is serious stuff. It's not nineteen.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
But I say all this in terms in context. Of abortion,
because before God comes over Mary and we have the incarnation,
God asks for Mary's consent and she says, if it
is God's will, let it be done, let it be
let it happen. So to me, that is an affirmation

(10:30):
in one of our most central stories that creation has
to be done with consent. You cannot force someone to create.
Creation is one of the most sacred acts that that
we engage in as human beings. But that has to
be done with consent, it has to be done with freedom.
And so that's why that's how I come down on
that side of the issue.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
You see, this just is vastly more bothersome than if
you just have some atheist Marxists come out and they
say we love abortion because we're materialists and all that.
Very evil, very wrong. But you kind of know what
you're getting with the territory. This is a person who
is lying about what Christianity teaches, what Christianity has always

(11:10):
taught the earliest Christians. If you go read the Di
Dakee from the first century, where Christians are telling each other,
here's what we believe. They condemn abortion, and he comes
in and he tells this lines that actually Christians should
support abortion. That is a monstrous evil.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah, it's twisting scripture to suit your itching ears and
whatever you want to hear. And the other thing to
your point, Blake, you're right about the Roman Empire. They
was infanticide was rampant within the Roman Empire. Why did
that stop? It was because Christians stopped it. They used
to just leave babies out to exposure, to kill babies,
and the Christians stopped it. They would save these babies

(11:47):
and ultimately the Christianization of the Roman Empire. The practice
Roman man.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Would not have a child. He would accept a child
that his wife would give birth to it. And he
had the choice. He could say kill it right now,
or we can and that was the choice he was
allowed to make one hundred percent legal.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Well, and he's even chipping away at the exclusivity claims
of Jesus Christ. I am the way the truth in
the life. No one will come to the Father except
through me. Well that we have in scripture, right, But
James tal Rico doesn't believe that. Here's him talking about
all the religions of love lead to truth eighteen.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
Leave Christianity points to the truth. I also think other
religions of love point to the same truth. I think
of different religious traditions as different languages. So you and
I could sit here and debate what to call this cup,
and you could call it a cup in English, you'd
call it something else in Spanish and French. But we
are all talking about the same reality. I believe Jesus
Christ reveals that reality to us, but I also think

(12:43):
that other traditions reveal that reality in their own ways,
with their own symbol structures. And I've learned more about
my tradition by learning more about Buddhism and Hinduism and
Islam and Judaism, and so I see these beautiful faith
traditions as circling the same truth about the universe, about
the cosmos, and that truth is inherently a mystery.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
I do not consider Islam a religion of love. I
believe it's a conquering political ideology that has a backdrop
and an foundation that is considered a religion, But I
don't believe it's true. I don't believe it points to
the truth. The fact that he does is extraordinarily troublesome,

(13:25):
and I would agree with Blake that it's evil to
be twisting scriptures like this, let's just keep going. Here's
him given a sermon about abortion again, and really love
he's got to really like you know, in trance. He's
really obsessed with these two topics. It's not twenty four.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
Before we go further, I want to acknowledge that our
trans community needs abortion care too. Defending trans Texas is
something we have to do every day at the state Capitol,
and you better believe I'll be getting sermons on that too.
So when I use the word woman, it should not
be understood as an exhaustive term, but rather as a

(14:03):
as a lens through which to understand, examine, and interrogate patriarchy.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Frans community needs abortion characters.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, and do you hear that at that other part?
Like I sort of skimmed over, But it's like, you
should not hear women as an exhaustive terms. It's a lens. Women.
Do you feel like you're a lens through which to
view your existence through? Or are you just a woman?
Are you an x X? Did God make you a
woman or a man? Like? This is terrifying stuff. This

(14:33):
is what I mean when I say he is a
manifestation of everything the left wants. Indoctrinated in one brain
of an otherwise normal person.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
This man fears a mob of people on blue sky
vastly more than he fears God.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
M that's well said. Yeah, it keeps going, folks, We've
got more. There's so many clips of James tall Rico
basically mascot off, even though he loves wearing a mask
telling you exactly who he is. And I've said it
before and I'll say it again, when somebody shows you
who they are, believe them. It's not twenty five.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
I often think when reclaiming symbols, I think about the
American flag. I think the Confederate flag is a symbol
of treeson and terrorism. But the American flag is such
a complicated symbol for most of us, and in many ways,
like Jesus, like the Cross, it's been co opted and
in some ways it's true meeting has been betrayed.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Okay, So the flag's a problem too, okay, gotcha. And
also he has to reckon with his own whiteness twenty nine.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
For me, prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me reckon
with my own whiteness, my own masculinity, my own certainty,
my own ego. It's a never ending process, and it's
a painful process.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
And then there's back to the gender thing. How many
gender are there, James, He's not sure, or maybe he
is top thirty.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
I want us all to be aware of is that
that modern science obviously recognized as that there are many
more than two biological sexes.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
In fact, there are six. Oh there's six. Why stop
at six.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
We can laugh at this guy all we want, but
we should have You know, this guy is every time,
it seems every cycle, there's someone running in Texas and
Democrats make him the mascot of their entire campaign. That year,
they got really into Bato o'rourk. In twenty eighteen, they
were really obsessed with what's her name, the woman who
ran for governor because she stood up for abortion rights

(16:38):
for six hours straight or whatever it was forgot her
name because she ran and she got killed, which was good.
But they're going to invest a huge amount of money
in this. They know that this is an opportunity to
for then pick it up. Texas is a red state.
It's consistently voted Republican, but it's one of the shakiest
red states overall. President Trump it big in this last election,

(17:01):
but he won it by less than twenty twenty and
twenty sixteen. They will spend tens hundreds of millions of
dollars on this race. They would love to humiliate us,
so we should laugh at him because he is a
laughable and pathetic figure. But we do have to take
this very seriously.

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and make sense of what happened in Texas last night
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Good to see you. Tell us what you make of
it of that absolute route in the Senate. But there's
other races we want to talk about as well.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
Yeah, I mean last night was a phenomenal night for
patriots who are looking to take their country back. I mean,
I think that that Ken Paxton result where he won
by twenty eight points, it's been a very clear message
the Washington which is that the people of Texas, and
I think the people across the country are looking for
somebody who's going to fight for him, who's going to

(19:48):
stand up for him, who wants secure borders, who's going
to fight to actually get the Save America Act across
the finish line. And that's exactly what they're going to
get with Ken Paxton. It's also a clear repudiation, I think,
in many ways of amnesty. That was a big issue
in this primary cycle, and GOP voter said very clearly

(20:11):
we will not tolerate amnesty, and I think that's something
we had to remember going forward.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah. Completely. You know what was interesting about it as
well is that, you know, you could see that Senator
Cornyn was starting to experience you know he could sense
where the wind was blowing and he ends up putting
out ads about Islam, which was new for him. I'm
curious just the feel on the ground in Texas. How
big of an issue is the Islam topic.

Speaker 7 (20:37):
I mean, this is one of the top issues that
I hear on the ground from from my constituents all
the time. Every time I do an event where I
meet and take questions from constituents, which is pretty often,
I get a question on Islam and it's usually one
of the first ones. The reality is, especially in the
DFW Metroplex, which is near where my district is, is

(20:58):
You've got entire city, the entire communities that are being
transformed by mass Islamic migration. You've got mosques being that
are popping up all over the Metroplex, and the and
the people of Texas are tired of it. They're tired
of seeing their hometowns being culturally transformed, and they want
somebody who's going to stand up to it.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
And there's also, especially in the Metroplex, the tons of
Indian immigrants as well. Is that also a topic top
of mind?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (21:30):
I hear about h one B's all the time, and
it's a similar issue where you see our communities are
being fundamentally transformed. I had a mayor in my district
and I won't I won't say which town or which
mayor who told me that he's had a massive influx
of people coming in on H one B Visas and

(21:51):
he said, in one of the neighborhoods there, they typically
have a Christmas tree where they celebrate Christmas, you know,
as sort of a neighborhood, as a community. And so
many of these people came into that community, they became
a majority, and they went up to him and they said,
we're we're not celebrating Christmas here. We're doing Dwali, but
we're not doing Christmas. And he said, we've done Christmas

(22:12):
every single year. We want to continue this tradition of
the town. And they said, well, there's more of us
than there are of you, and we don't want Christmas anymore.
And that's the kind of thing that really moves people,
that people say, my community, my country is being taken
away from me, and they're again, they're stick of it.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
So I want to address this issue, and you can
already see taal Rico saying it's the people versus Ken Paxton.
You know you saw the corn and smears attacking his character, corruption, whatever,
moral failures or whatever. What is your reaction, David French,
We showed his tweet earlier talking about, you know, essentially,

(22:53):
can we just get rid of the pretense that we
care about somebody's morality, like the corruption is a feature,
not above. What do you say to those people that
are attacking Ken Paxton's character like this?

Speaker 7 (23:05):
I would say, I'd like to better understand how you
can possibly look at somebody who is so obsessed with
transgender children, who will take scripture and contort it in
the most demonic and perverse ways to suggest that the
Bible is somehow a pro abortion document, that Mary actually
gave consent to have to birth the son of God,

(23:28):
and how that is evidence that the Bible supports abortion
in his pro choice. I mean, that is so far
out there. I'd like to hear them explain what the
type of integrity or lack of integrity that's needed to
have those sorts of views. You know, you can look
at this and you can say, well, we're tired of scandals,

(23:50):
We're tired of this. Well, I'm tired of having teachers
tell young children that they're born in the wrong body.
I'm tired of having politicians like James town Talerico who
say that our southern border should have a welcome matt
on it. I'm tired of freaks and lunatics like tall
Ico who are trying to tell us that there are
six different sexes, which he said, and I'd love to

(24:12):
hear him explain, by the way, what the other four
sexes are. I think the people of Texas would like
to hear too. I integrity means also having not contorting
scripture and living in reality, and tall Rico certainly does not.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
So I want to go to I completely agree, by
the way, and I think that was really well said.
You know, we uh been longtime friends with Chip Roy.
Chip Roy lost last night to mas Middleton. What's the
what's the takeaway from that race?

Speaker 7 (24:45):
Well, you know, Chip, both Chip and Maze are a
good friends mine and they're they're both very conservative and
I think, you know, whenever I looked at that race,
you know, my big takeaway was we've done pretty well
in the GOP, at least in this race to have
two phenomen candidates there to choose from. But the reality,
I would say is that President Trump is the leader

(25:07):
of the party, his endorsement means more than anything else.
But also, the people of Texas are looking for somebody
who they can really believe is going to be with
the President all the time, and that was a key
issue in that race. So listen again, I think that
both of those candidates are really good. I have an
enormous amount of respect for Chip Roy. He's somebody who

(25:29):
has fought very hard in Congress for conservative values. And
he's somebody, by the way, who doesn't just fight in
front of the camera, but who goes to the mat
whenever the cameras are all gone, behind the scenes, whenever
nobody can see it. And he is somebody who I
think is going to be doing is going to stick around,

(25:50):
and we'll probably hear a lot more from it, and
I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Yeah, I think that's a good thing as well. I
think Chip's a man of integrity, and I think ultimately,
you know, he had some dust ups with the President
and the PA and that was used against him. But
I mean, you know that Chip's a great guy and
we wish him well, and I hope you're right. I
hope we get to see more chip in the future
because he is a fighter and he's a man of integrity.
So I think one of the risks here is that

(26:15):
one we take tall Rico too softly because he's so
weird to us, right, But there's a lot of normies
out there that just look at him and his Gollie
g shucks kind of persona.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
People we were laughing at Ausoff when he first came
on the political scene, and now he's a senator from Georgia.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
And he's, you know, favored to retain his seat. I
hope that's wrong. I would also say that the other
you know, I actually believe that Paxson would have won
without Trump's endorsement. So I think while the Trump endorsement
is powerful, there's no doubt I think that that just
that's what led to this landslide, right, It just kind
of it kind of pushed it way over the edge here.

(26:53):
But I think there's a critical component here if you
look at South Carolina. I'm not asking you to delve
into controversial topics. So Lindsey Graham, he's got the Trump endorsement,
but man, if I'm Lindsay Graham, I am in the
words of Jeremy Carl Sweat and bullets today because the
base has an instinct of who actually represents the America

(27:14):
first principles that we all ascribe to an espouse, and
they can smell a fraud, right, So I think we
could take the takeaways in the wrong direction here. Yes,
the Trump endorsement is powerful, but I mean Paxon and
Cornyn there was really no choice for a base conservative right,
and the base will come out if you give him

(27:35):
a reason to in midterms. So the question that to you, Congressman,
is what are the key takeaways here? You mentioned amnesty?
What else?

Speaker 7 (27:44):
I think somebody who does the same thing behind closed
doors that they talk about publicly. I'll give you an
example is the Save America Act, sort of related to
the immigration debate, but this is something that we've known
for a very long time. The only way realistically to
get the Save America Act across the finish line is

(28:04):
for the Senate to utilize a talking filibuster. And if
you're going to support the Save America Act but not
support a talking filibuster both publicly and behind closed doors,
that's not good enough anymore. And I don't think that
the people of Texas are looking for that type of leadership.
They want somebody who's going to get it done. And
that was a big issue in this election cycle. In fact,

(28:26):
I think at one point Ken Paxton had mentioned he
would drop out of the race. The Senate leadership would
get the Senate would get the Save America Act passed,
and that's something that voters look to, and they said,
that is leadership. That's somebody who's fighting for me, and
that's what they're drawn towards. So I think it's an amnesty,
it's the Save America Act. And it's also people just

(28:50):
recognizing and feeling comfortable that the representative that they're sending
to Washington is somebody who's looking out for them and
not looking out for Washington, DC or Warners or anybody else.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yeah, well, and they make a you know, and I actually,
you know, I might take some heat for this, but
I don't think Cornyn is a bad guy. I think
he just has bad ideas and I think, you know,
he's just out of step with where the base is
at and where the party is a fossil.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
He mattered he was with the party twenty years ago. Well, yeah,
it's twenty years later.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, it is Congressman, you are with the party where
it's at now, and you know we have your back
and we expect and hope for great things from you.
And so thank you for making the time and coming
in and chiming in. It's important that we take the
right lessons out of last night. But either way you
slice it, it was a magnificent result. So God bless you, man.

(29:41):
We'll see you soon.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Awesome.

Speaker 7 (29:43):
Thanks for having me.

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So President Trump is holding a cabinet meeting right now
at the White House. Lots of clips coming through that. Basically,
fraud is on the top of this administration's to do
list and the top of their mind, which I love.

(31:16):
So we'll get some clips on that. Also, AOC is
wearing a job in front of Mom Donnie, which is
that was that was yesterday? But yeah, I just saw yes.
But I want to I want to zero in on
this fraud thing because I think it's one of the
best things this administration is doing, especially when you talk
about you know, there's people in the base or in

(31:37):
the movement that are frustrated about Iran or what have you. Remember,
there is a lot of firepower being aimed right here
at dressing issues right here at home, like fraud, And
this clip ended up kind of making the rounds yesterday
I posted it as well. This is Stephen Miller talking
about just how widespread the fraud really is. Pay attention

(31:57):
to everything he says here, because if it's even somewhat true,
fifty percent true, the opportunity is extraordinary. Top three.

Speaker 8 (32:06):
Fraud is every bit as bad as President Trump said
it was, and even worse. All of the systems in
our country were set up based on the honor system.
They're set up based on the idea that you could
trust the average person, through their own morality, to abide
by the rules and.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Comply with the law.

Speaker 8 (32:23):
We became a society, as we've seen with the Somali
refugee problem in Minnesota, where you have a large number
of people that are not following the honor system. They're
not playing by the rules, they're not abiding by our laws.
And the amount that has been fleeced from us is
in the hundreds of billions of dollars. I believe based
on what I've seen and what I've heard is that

(32:44):
we could balance the federal budget if the only dollars
that went out of the treasury went to individuals who
were properly, lawfully, correctly eligible to receive them.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
So, just making sure you heard that last line again,
that was certain yesterday. It's not the cabinet meeting, but
he said that he believes from what he's seen and
what he's heard, that we could balance the federal budget
if the only dollars that went out of the treasury
went to individuals who properly, lawfully and correctly eligible to
receive them. Now, I don't know that if that's one

(33:16):
hundred percent true, but it's directionally true, and that means
that we owe it to American taxpayers to make sure
that we are being extraordinarily detailed and precise and holding
accountable to fraudsters, but also making sure the dollars that
leave the treasury are going to people that actually deserve

(33:36):
them and are eligible for them, because if you can
come close to balancing the federal budget, that would be
an extraordinary achievement. Now we're not nearly there yet, we're
at the tip of the iceberg stage, but they are
taking this issue extraordinarily seriously, and I think one of
the reasons is because it's extraordinarily politically popular, and it
should be. This is not one of those issues that

(33:59):
you know, we're to vice presidents getting these pet projects
borders are Kamala Harris and doing absolutely nothing with them. Instead,
the vice president is on this like White on Rice,
and I'm here for it. Yesterday he announced this bipartisan
effort working with state ags and he even had the
ags of Oregon in Connecticut. President, it's a good sign.

(34:21):
That's a good sign. It's not ten.

Speaker 9 (34:23):
One of the things we've realized in combating fraud is
that the resources of the federal government, while vast, can
be supplemented and aided by a lot of the people
who know the best what's happening in their states, which
is the Attorney's General represented here today, and they have
a lot of legal resources, they have a lot of
prosecual resources, and of course they have the desire to
prevent fraud as much as we do. And so I
appreciate these leaders from being here because we're going to

(34:45):
work together state and federal government to try.

Speaker 10 (34:47):
To combat fraud.

Speaker 9 (34:48):
I'm particularly gratified here that this is not a partisan effort.
I believe we have a couple of representatives from the
attorney generals in Connecticut and organ and as I've said repeatedly,
this is not ne to be This should not be
a part of an effort. Everybody should care about fraud.
Everybody should care about rooting out fraud. Everybody should care
about saving the American taxpayers money.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
He's very charitable because I'm not sure that if you
go to California that they do care that much about
rooting out fraud. I think they've created very successful systems
of will look the other way on fraud, and in return,
you keep getting your for example, your union voters electing
us you can definitely, or your community members voting to

(35:30):
elect us in blocks. You can very much get a
self sustaining system. And especially with something like medicaid, most
of the money is federal dollars, so you just have
its classic moral hazard where if the state is overseeing
the program but it's federal money that's actually paying for it,
they're just naturally not going to care about it nearly
as much. And we really need to restore that aspect

(35:51):
of it, because it's a lot more than just the
raw dollar amounts here, well, the raw dollar amounts are vast.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Those matter.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
But on top of that, this is this is driving
so much illegal immigration because they say, come here, we'll
have a whole racket set up where you can set
up this business. We'll get a ton of money. In fact,
the more people we bring in, the more money we
can get. So it's driving a ton of the immigration.
It's driving I think the general For example, we've talked
about the bad vibes over America where young people are dispirited.

(36:21):
They feel this way because they can see these newly
arrived immigrant groups scamming the system, getting away with it,
going almost totally unpunished, and they think the system is rigged.
It's rigged against me. I'm being denied opportunities so scammers
can get this. And if you visibly smash these people
the bits, send them to prison for a decade, two decades,

(36:42):
just and de them and deport them, revoke their citizenship
if you can, they will feel much better about their country.
They'll feel like they have a country and a government
that looks out for them, which we used to have
in America. Americas used to think their government was competent,
and cared about them, and they don't think that anymore,
and they think that for a very good reason.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yep, here's JD talking about how big the problem he
thinks is Pot thirty four.

Speaker 10 (37:05):
We expect that there are tens of thousands of people
who are collecting fraudulent money to take care of people,
and they're not actually taking care of them or of
course going to get to the root of as much
of it as we can.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
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in chief of Breitbart and also host of The Alex

(38:42):
Marlowe Show. Alex, welcome back, my friend. Good to see you.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Great day to be on Andrew, Thank you, Blake, nice
to see you.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
It was a Maga landslide. I think it's safe to
say that sometimes you can make too much of the
Maga versus America. First of it all, it was a
maga landslide last night. We've got a lot to get
into with you, Alex, but gotta start there because it's
the number one story in the country. Today, what are
the right takeaways from last night and what would be

(39:10):
the wrong takeaways from last night?

Speaker 11 (39:13):
So I think the right one is what you said,
Trump's in command of the party. The Trump endorsement certainly
sealed the deal, but I think looking at the margin,
there are people who are asking me who are pretty
knowledgeable Andrew, they pay attention to this stuff. They were
asking me pretty late in the day yesterday, does corn
And actually have a chance. I said, hell no, he
absolutely does not. He's gonna lose my lot. And I
think part of it is because the base is so

(39:34):
much smarter than people give them credit for. And this
is something that I learned very early at Brightbart News.
I remember I started Bright part first employee, so almost
eighteen years ago. It's the audience is super smart. They
know who's real and who's fake. I think we saw
that last week with Massey. Too many people started to
think he was fake. People know Ken Paxson is the
real deal and John Cornan is not. Ken Paxson is

(39:55):
a fighter, he is pursued, he has pushed the agenda.
He's a thermostat, not a thermometer. He is someone who
adjusts the temperature. Gone after Netflix, Gone after Meda, gone after, Google,
gone after Pharma. A great guy on the border, great
guy and guns. But he's a really savvy politician. And
we talked about this, I think last time we were on.
But the way he got Trump's endorsement by backing Corner

(40:17):
into a corner saying, you get the Save Act done
and I'll drop out. Corner couldn't pull that off. That
got the Trump endorsement.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Totally genius. He's gonna crush Tallarico and we're gonna be
celebrating in November.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
So Tall Rico, we had a lot of fun destroying him. Honestly.
You know, he is a heretic actually, which I don't lightly,
but he I mean, I just don't I've been wrestling
with you know, Okay, put it this way. I don't
like to, I don't know, basically, ascribe motive to certain things.

(40:50):
I don't like to ascribe malice to certain things. If
I don't know for sure, I cannot watch those clips
in quick succession like we did an hour one and
conclude fundamentally that he is a heretic. Do you agree?
Am I being too harsh? No?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
I think you're being right. And I found a new
data point.

Speaker 11 (41:09):
While I was going through my show earlier today, because
I was playing, of course, the clip that we've all
played before of him using the Bible and the story
that Virgin Mary in particular to justify abortion, which already
is pretty demonic in and of itself.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
But there was another thing where he was talking about.

Speaker 11 (41:23):
His vegan campaign, and he was saying he doesn't want
a vegan campaign, not because he doesn't believe in animal cruelty,
but because he believes climate change. And I was just
starting to think about it, like, wait a minute, there
was actually a chance for him to maybe draw on
biblical principles to try to force some sort of strain
left wing agenda, and he really made it about the climate.

(41:43):
He made about the false pagan god of climate change,
and it makes you think that he really, truly is
just a manipulator. And I don't think Texans are going
to have any tolerance for this stuff. A guy who
thumps the Bible to push a left wing agenda but
then doesn't seem to actually understand the key tenants of
Christianity itself. I think this is really gonna come out

(42:03):
of the next few months.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Yeah, I completely agree, and He's just such a beta.
Can we do we have that that side by side
between Beto and Tall Rico? We have that, right, guys,
there it is. He's even doing the standpos doing the
like same post. But I think Beto was a better candidate. Honestly,
he had like a something like I'll give him that right,

(42:26):
he was the fake, Hispanic irishman named Beto.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
It was just so perfect that we have this Anglo
background guy Robert Francis goes by Beto running against you know,
Raphael Cruise that goes by Ted. I just think that
perfectly captures the two parties.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Yeah, so, you know, I see a lot of people
I'm gonna ask you the same question I asked Brandon
gillen Our one.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
So a lot has been made about the moral quote
unquote moral failings of Ken Paxton, and you know, you
got David French excoriating him and saying, you know, conservatives
don't care about the morality of their elected leaders. What
do you make with those attacks? Because that's the same
attack line that John Cornon took, It's going to be

(43:09):
the same attack line that Tall Rico takes. What's your
answer to that?

Speaker 9 (43:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (43:15):
I think there's probably some stuff if you really want
to parse through Paxson's history, that's imperfect. But you can
do the same with so many people, Donald Trump being
one of them. And I think ultimately a lot of
people who are going to be voting, they're gonna be
looking at the future, and do you want to have
a guy who.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Is this beta?

Speaker 11 (43:31):
At Breitbart this is I don't think I've ever said
this specifically, but we've stylized it now. My newsroom has
permission not to capitalize the T in tall rico. It
can be low T all the time. They can always
use low T. They're free to do that. That is
site style. So the news here on the show that
you guys can hear about, it's the I think that
people are willing to forgive Paxton for any passage, which

(43:52):
I gotta be honest with you, I haven't gone through
them to the extent where I know if the court
of public opinion has been accurate in them convicting him
this stuff. But I do think that when he gets
to Washington, he's going.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
To be a leader.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
He's going to fight the bad guys.

Speaker 11 (44:04):
He's going to fight the corporations, he's going to fight
the establishment, and I just think the voter base of
Texas is going to be very excited for that by November.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
I mean, I believe that Paxton would have won without
Trump's endorsement. I really I believe that. Do you agree?
And what does that mean? If true?

Speaker 11 (44:22):
I think he probably would have if Trump did not endorse.
And I got to think a little harder about it.
If Trump chose to endorse Cornan, could he have overcome it?
And I do think there is a possibility, which is
why your question is so interesting, because again, I think
that people are so fed up with the fact that
Cornan twenty four years in the Senate and can't point
to a single accomplishment.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
And none of you can't. There's none of you in
the audience who can think of one thing.

Speaker 11 (44:46):
Please look me up and askally everything app dm me
if there's something that corn.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Did, I get one that?

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
He raised four hundred million dollars for the Senate. He
spent one hundred and fifty on his own race. Yeah,
and it's on fire.

Speaker 11 (45:05):
You one knows, I mean, Andrew, I bet you. John
Cornan knows that.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
I bet you.

Speaker 11 (45:08):
If you asked John Cornan what's your favorite thing? He
probably said, yeah, I probably could have done more my
time quarters. So it's the if you've paid, like in private,
and I think that's the main thing that it work here.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
I think the audience gets it.

Speaker 11 (45:23):
People are dialed in now, People are smart, people pay attention,
and I think they understand that. So I do think
Trump's values are in command, and I think that's very good.
I think Trump's mosaic where he pitched and chooses the
best ideas from Democrats of yesteryear, from populous and even
occasionally the establishment. He seemed to take everyone's best ideas.
I think that's the ascend in political worldview right now

(45:44):
on the right.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
So I want to flag something that Talla Rico he said.
I want to thank he said this last night as
the results came in. I want to thank Senator John
Cornyn for his years representing our state. We don't agree
on everything, but we still believe in public service. To
Senator Cordon, supporters, you have a place in our campaign.
Is this going to work on anyone?

Speaker 4 (46:06):
That's who are these? I don't think so.

Speaker 11 (46:07):
I think Cornyn already said he's going to support the
Republican ticket. I think that's what corn. So it's the
So it's just so lame. It's and again Talarico doesn't
stand for anything. What does he stand for? This is
the whole point. This is the Democrat, the elf in
the room. They've got the weirdest people imaginable. They've got
a son Piker, Graham Plattner, James Tallerco. That's the face
of the party. And what do they stand for? Calling

(46:28):
people like me and you racist? They can't disavow their
streak of political violence. It is really going to be
a tough slog for them. They've got a map that
could maybe save them, and maybe some of Trump's policies
are not totally popular yet, but overall, they were really
putting together a pre lame slate for a midtermiyear.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Don't don't forget that. James tall Rico was front and
center when all the Democrats fled Texas to avoid getting arrested.
I mean he was he was like there, they're they're
you know, he was out front. I mean he was
leading that charge and it was total lawless now in chaos.
So Alex, something near and dear to our heart here
on the show, because it was close to Charlie's heart

(47:07):
is higher education, and we got to destroy and crush
the college cabal. Make it better, actually right, We want
we actually love learning here. We don't like wokeness. We
don't like exorbitant costs that push off family formation and
home buying and the American dream. But two interesting stories
that I just happened to notice, and they seem connected.

(47:28):
One is at Harvard University, the faculty is demanding a
return to A. I guess courses will limit A grades
to only twenty percent of enrollment. So over the last
two decades, Alex, at Harvard, A grades had ballooned to
about sixty percent of students they were getting a's total

(47:48):
grade inflation. Twenty years ago, it was only twenty five percent.
Now they're demanding it go back to twenty percent. Meanwhile,
in California, near and dear to your heart, Alex, the
the you see faculty is demanding a return to standardized
test scores because it has become so bad, especially in
STEM fields, that they are having to return to teaching

(48:11):
middle school math to some of the enrollees.

Speaker 11 (48:15):
Your take, Yeah, I think this all starts with the teachers' unions.
This has been the original stand of America's failing education system,
which are essentially just vehicles for Democrat left wing politics,
try to woke fire schools. They've ruined our primary and
secondary schools, and I think that's part of the problem
that gets up to the universities. Federal government, of course,
has ruined the universities in many ways by allowing these

(48:35):
loans which have just been slush funds for the universities,
so students borrow on the cheap and it just all
goes to these universities, makes them all fat and happy.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
There's no diversity there.

Speaker 11 (48:45):
So, as Charlie wrote better than anyone, I mean, this
is a completely broken system, and there's really not a
lot of hope that things could fix it. This is
probably good starts, but they're not going to call out
the real problems. They're not going to say the unions
need to get out of the way. In the public schools,
we need to start having excellence. We need to start
demanding parents step up and work more with their kids.
Their students show that there's a higher demand and excellence

(49:07):
at a younger age. None of that stuff's going to
make it all the way down to the families and
the communities. But it is at least nice to acknowledge
that perhaps, with under left wing guidance, our schools have
just failed, they just crashed.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
Well, it's just we basically did three decades worth of
institutional destruction in the course of one or two years.
Circa twenty twenty. We had the abolished the police virus,
which a lot of people remember, which manifested not just
in terms of cutting police officers, but making it harder
for them to do their job, telling them don't enforce

(49:42):
certain laws. And so we had a surge of murders,
a surge of fefts, a surge of car crashes that's underappreciated.
And the school version of this is in a matter
of weeks you just had this cascade of school saying
we're going to get rid of not just standardized tests,
but a lot of them gutted. The integrity of their
class is where you can get infinite accommodations for your finals,

(50:04):
you maybe don't need to take a final at all.
You can retake assignments over and over again. And this
also infests lower levels of school And we've just totally
gotten away from what is frankly an obvious fact, which
is you can't measure any form of ability or knowledge
acquisition unless it's possible to fail. And if there's a
real expectation that you need to show mastery, and if

(50:27):
we don't have that, why do we even why are
we spending billions of dollars on the school system at all?
Just set up a bunch of daycares because that's all
they are.

Speaker 11 (50:34):
Yeah, that's what they are at So it's really when
we got away from any sort of a standard, when
we got away from we're trying to.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Have it be a meritocratic education system.

Speaker 11 (50:43):
Once we open that up, once it became a slippery
slope that was inevitably we were going to prioritize things
like diversity and wokeness and the priorities of the people
who funnel the most money into the system, like the universities.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
And that's just what it became.

Speaker 11 (50:58):
Just these schools just incubators the dumbest ideas on the planet,
as Charlie often would point out, And they're not really
if they're not even a semblance of what they could
have been.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Should we start valuing Mirrort again?

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Well, you know it's interesting here. I actually look at
this as like a broader cultural trend. And so I'll
direct my remarks to the accelerationists. They burn it all down. People.
Let's just let democrats take control so we can create
a Republican party more in our image. Okay, this is
all about a concept of headship. Okay, when at the
top of your culture, your family, your business, your country,

(51:35):
you have a strong leader that demands change and transformation
and getting back to things like meritocracy, the abolishment of DEI.
That tends to filter down even when they fight you. Right,
So they've got lawsuits against Harvard, You've got lawsuits against Columbia,
you got lawsuits against California schools. Eventually that headship starts
to filter down throughout the rest of your culture. And

(51:57):
you're seeing that in higher education. As the vibe shift happens,
as the feelings towards meritocracy shift, and as we sort
of get past some of these dumber ideas of the woke,
you're seeing this transformation which can ultimately have a profound
transformational effect on your entire culture. You're seeing this at
higher education. Now. If you go back to the nineteen thirties,
for example, there's a little known story about the NYPD

(52:21):
where they had they had standardized civic service exams. Blake
might know this.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
Oh yeah, this is the infamous the test where they
just say it was a great depression. Yeah, and they
just said, well, we need to hire some people. Just
give a test basically just an IQ test. Hire the
best performers, only the best, no other rules, no other standards.
And of course this was the greatest hiring class in NYV.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
The greatest hiring class that they called a class of geniuses.
And these people were all promoted to higher ranks. Crime
drop like a rock. It was absolute pure meritocracy distilled
down at the most basic local civic level. And guess
what the results were magnificent. We could see that across
the country if we just got back to super simple

(53:03):
standard things like oh, standardized test scores at higher education.
We see this again, and Alex, I'm trying to bring
in California for you because I know it's near and
dear to you. You see this with what's happening in
the Spencer Pratt campaign, and I believe this fundamentally the
reason that he's having success. Yes he's a great campaigner,

(53:25):
but it's not ideological. It's about competence, at the local level,
being a mayor is can you be the most communist
mayor in the planet, Mayor Mom, Donnie or Karen Bass.
It's can you balance the books? Can you clean up
the potholes and the graffiti and the homelessness. And that's
why he's having such residents, I think in the city
of Los Angeles. But before I get ahead of myself, Alex,

(53:46):
you know the city, Well, does Spencer Pratt have any
chance of actually pulling this off?

Speaker 11 (53:53):
I really make a point not to be a total bummer,
So I'm not going to give you so no my
taking out of context answer, but I will tell you this.
I love everything he's talking about, to the point that
he's demanding competence from our leadership, and we need that.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Well, my biggest fear is first.

Speaker 11 (54:09):
Of all, the unions yet again, or Democrat political arms.
They run the city, and wherever the unions go, if
they're in lockstep behind a certain candidate, that candidate always wins.
And he's going to have to He's going to have
to break that mold, and he's going to have to
do it by getting liberal Democrats to vote for him
because all the Republicans have left, like for me. For example,
I live in La County. I live just north of

(54:30):
the city of La. I can't even go vote for him,
which I would love to do, because I live by
five miles.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
I don't live in the city technically.

Speaker 11 (54:36):
So he's going to get actual liberal Democrats to show
up and vote for him, and maybe he can do it,
because again, he's so non partisan. He's only talking about
competence and I love it. But I got the proofs
in the pudding.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
What about Steve Hilton.

Speaker 11 (54:48):
A better chance in the sense that the Democrats blew
up their own spot with their ridiculous jungle primary system.
But that's the path is much easier if Hilton en
Bianco are the top two vote getters in the primary,
which seems far far fatch.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Still, we can hope. Alex Marlow, host of The Alex
Marlow Show and editor in chief of bright Bart, Thank you,
my friend. We'll see you soon.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Thanks. Guys.

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Headed Libertarian.

Speaker 7 (56:37):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
She is the host of The Josie Soul Show. She
is a Timcast contributor, and you might know her online
is the red Headed Libertarian. I guess small L, right, Josie,
not big L. I got that right, small. I know
that's very very important distinction. So Josie, so good to
have you. You are one of my favorite follows on X.
I think you are smart. I think you are the

(57:00):
opposite of cringe, whatever that is. You just you tell
it like it is, and you're very insightful and just
great analysis. And I wanted to have you on because
I got myself into a little bit of a back
and forth with Thomas Massey accidentally. I did my best, Josie,
to try and stay out of that race. I really did,
because two things can be true at once, and that

(57:21):
is that that Charlie had great respect for Thomas Massey
and he also had great respect for the president. And
I also, like I said, I did try and say it.
I didn't make any comments about it before the election
before the Tuesday, last Tuesday election, but we were we
had a caller call in on Friday, so it was
after the election results were already end that he had
lost he'd conceded, and they asked about it, and I

(57:44):
explained that, yeah, I did have a private conversation with
Charlie after the Big Beautiful Bill where he expressed frustration. Okay,
so then mister Thomas Massey, somebody clipped it and Thomas
Massey sort of alleged that I was or this show
was just distributed by Israel or something, which is not
at all true. We're here on real America's voice. Israel

(58:05):
does not control us, We're not beholden to Israel. All
that is true as well, but in general terms, in
broader terms, besides that little scuffle, I'm not an enemy
to libertarians. I don't agree with libertarianism and a lot
of things, but I also understand that we make better
friends than enemies. And I want to make sure that

(58:25):
we're paying heed to this because if you look at
the generational breakdown of that race, that is the thing
that gives me most pause. It was the sixty five
and over that went really hard for gall Rain anybody
under sixty five. However, Josie was big for MASSI and
Massie is not my enemy. We did not get involved
in that I want to make sure that we are

(58:48):
uniting the clans, not dividing them. And so I guess
the question to you, Josie is what right now is
inside the libertarian mind and thinking what are the problem spots?
What do we need to be aware of them? I
want to talk about solutions because we need to grow
the coalition, not shrinking. And I'm afraid that after the
Massi loss, there's a lot of libertarians that are feeling

(59:08):
betrayed by.

Speaker 12 (59:10):
Maga's That's a really great way to put it. So
it wasn't just MAGA that got Trump elected. It was
a coalition. As you said, it was Maha, those Moha moms,
it was the libertarians, it was disaffected liberals, and they
all came together on a common platform. We don't want war,
we want healthier food, we want the spending to go down,

(59:31):
we want less debt. You know, it was all things
that are very universal, and Trump came with this platform
that promised all of these things, and so we all
united behind him. And when it comes to libertarians, I mean,
I'm a small el libertarian, so there's there's I do
want to explain this, so small libertarians and electarians, so

(59:53):
smaller libertarians. I'm very constitutional, very bill of rights, very
sort of founding father. That's what a smaller libertarian is.
And that's like Rand, Paul, Thomas, Massey, Mike Lee, they're
all smaller libertarians as well. When it comes to big
L libertarians, those are the people in the party who
might you know, take their clothes off and stand on
stage and say that we should sell crack to babies.

(01:00:17):
Those are big old libertarians. So there are two very
very different things. So even in my title on X,
I'm the redheaded libertarian. I have a small L and
that drives people crazy, but it's very important distinction.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Make sure we get that distinction on the lower third. Therefore,
can we change that to the redheaded small L Libertarian? Okay? Continue?

Speaker 12 (01:00:35):
All right? So when it came to and that's split
so all I like Angela mccardeal, did a lot of
work between the Libertarian Party and MAGA while we were
helping to try to get Trump into office. Because there
was a coalition, there were common goals. And you know

(01:00:55):
what sucks is we don't have libertarians. Small el libertarians
don't have very much representation. We don't have very much
representation and was it. Twenty five million dollars was put
into getting rid of our representation, and that's going to
be really hard for the small libertarians to come back from. Now,
smaller libertarians don't we don't go to the Democrat side, Okay,

(01:01:19):
We just like what Thomas Massey had said probably a
few years ago, he said, you know, there's a reason
why all the small Libertarians in Congress have an R
by their name, because that's that's how we get that representation.
So we're not going to go become democrats. We're not
going to go vote for democrats. What happens is we
were excited to vote for Trump. We were really excited,
we really believed in his message, and now we're demoralized.

(01:01:45):
Now there's a demoralization, and demoralized people don't vote. You know,
they're like, all right, whatever, you know, we were portrayed ones,
why would we ever wherever we ever trust this again.
So that's that's going to be the issue with getting
the small libertarians back on board, is the demoralization. How Ever,
the way that we should go forward with this is
there is a post Trump future. There is going to

(01:02:07):
be a time where he's no longer in office. And
there's never going to be a populist like him again.
So when it comes to that, that's what small libertarians
need to figure out, how to vote, how to get
behind that message, and how to kind of get the
message of the constitution and in that back into back
into the agenda.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Well, because oh go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
Well, I was just thinking, like, what what does stand
out for that libertarian faction, because it stands out with me.
With Massey, for example, he was is famous as one
of the more libertarian members of Congress, but his branding
over the past year is not on what I would
say is a particularly libertarian issue. I don't know that
there's a specific libertarian nexus to Epstein's stuff, But what

(01:02:54):
are the issues that stand out the most too small
l libertarians in your view?

Speaker 12 (01:02:59):
Spending abiding by the Constitution. So one thing that Thomas
Massey does is he is rigidly for the Constitution. And
that's okay, that's how we're supposed to be. Once you
make one compromise, that leads to another compromise, which leads
to another, and where do you draw the line? So
he doesn't ever bend against that. Everything he's done is

(01:03:19):
for the Constitution, for the country, for what our founders
envisioned every single thing, So we would like to hold
as close to that as possible, because you know, compromises
lead to more compromises. And at what point do you
draw the line, what point do you say, Okay, no
more compromises. We shouldn't compromise the constitution at all.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
It's the law of the land, yess Josie. I actually
I want to keep taking our medicine here because I
think it's important we add another segment with you and
we can focus on the future there. But I want
to make sure we learn the lesson of the present
right now. So for example, I will give Thomas Massey
credit with the big beautiful bill for example, like he
stripped some things out of that, ultimately got some stuff accomplished,

(01:03:57):
then still didn't vote for the final bill, but I
think that was still productive, right And I love him
on Maha, I love him on spending, I love him
on war. The question is, right now, where are small
l libertarians feeling most betrayed. I understand the race with
Massy is demoralizing and a lot might stay home, and

(01:04:17):
I think that's a problem. But what other issues is it?
The war? Is it Israel. Is it sense of corruption
or you know, spending too much? Like what are the
key say that?

Speaker 12 (01:04:30):
Again, it's the wars, it's the foreign aid, it's those
are the things trying. So when Trump came to the
Libertarian convention to you know, to talk to the libertarians,
he made us, he made the country twenty promises. He
made us about thirty two different promises sort of statement
promises and then implied promises, so you know, he said,

(01:04:52):
I'm the anti war president and what are we supposed
to think from that?

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
You know?

Speaker 12 (01:04:56):
And then about cutting made he promised to get the
neo cons of the establishment and drain it of the
globalists and drain it of the communists. And I feel
like he's got Lindsay Graham standing next to him on
every take endorsing this war with Iran.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
And that's that's yeah against. And one thing that I've
heard more than anything is when when President Trump encouraged
people to listen to Mark Levin and Mark Tisen that
I have heard that so many times, being like people
just being like, what what are we doing here? Because
that did feel, i think, especially to a small l libertarian,

(01:05:33):
like a betrayal of maybe the things he said, uh,
to the convention, but continue, Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:05:38):
So it's the foreign aid.

Speaker 12 (01:05:41):
The big beautiful Bill, for instance, had hundreds of millions
of dollars going to like Egypt. That's not a kitchen
table issue to me. You know, hundreds of like going.
Then we had Israel. There were actually two different, two
different sets of money that were going to Israel. So
it's all this foreigny. Then there was there's nothing about
the Save Act wasn't put into the big full bill.
There was things that were sort of promised to go

(01:06:02):
into it that weren't into it because Thomas Massey couldn't
get them in. And there's a deep state that's still
there no matter what we want to think. That's preventing
a lot of the stuff that needed to go into
the bill to not go into the bill. So there
was still a tremendous amount of spending. We were still
going to have a deficit problem. And Thomas Massey has
always voted against spending. The one time he didn't vote
against spending, it was one time, and that was because

(01:06:23):
he was told that or into the bill was written
that there would be a one percent cut in spending
every single year. And so he's like well, I'll vote
for that because that's a cut in spending. So and
then right after that it was stripped from the bill.

Speaker 6 (01:06:38):
You can look this up.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Wow. Okay, I got a note from somebody that's watching
the show right now, and they totally disagreed with my take,
and they said, what pissed people off is his words
is the grand standing on Epstein and Israel. He went
from being principled to searching for clicks. Now, that's not

(01:07:00):
my words. I'm just somebody's getting mad at me. And
that's the perception of Thomas Massey. Maybe address that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Well.

Speaker 12 (01:07:06):
He ran on the platform that Trump ran on before
he got elected, was I'm going to reveal the Epstein files.
And I mean I've only read them because of him.
I've been through them. I've read well as many as
I could. You know, there are three million of them.
But we only know what happened because of them. We
know Lex Wexner was very involved, We know Howard Lutnik

(01:07:32):
lied to Congress. We know all of this now. So
there were Trump's friends that were getting embarrassed when this happened.
And I mean then there was a ton of money
that came after him for that. It wasn't him searching
for clicks. It was him running on Trump's platform because
that's what his constituents voted for and that's what they
were promised, and that was him trying to fulfill that.

(01:07:52):
And I know it might feel like clicks, like trying
to get clicks, but if you know who Thomas Massey's
he's very principled.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
No, I listen, And that has long been the way
people perceived him. He was. He was just this like
mit guy that you know, I think, doesn't he do
like raw milk and all that stuff? He does that?

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Yeah, he's and very principled and he there's a lot
of stuff to really admire about him. I certainly agree.
But you know, I think what this is getting at
is when it was like, you know, the ro Kanna
and the you know, calling Republicans the Pedo Protection Party
and things like that, I think, you know, eventually you're
gonna make some enemies when you do that sort of thing.

(01:08:34):
So I listen, I understand both sides of the argument.
I was gonna be willing to live with whatever the
results were, but again, learning our lessons here because I
want to make sure that we don't alienate the small libertarians.
I think it's really important to build the coalition as
big as we can. Politics is about addition, not subtraction. Okay,
so how big of a deal and is there any

(01:08:55):
coming back? Because you mentioned the Iran war, you know,
we've got this potential peace deal on the table right
now that I'm hoping gets over the over the finish line.
I'm certainly praying for peace. I want us to focus domestically.
I want us to get rid of Lindsay Graham. I
want the warmongers out. I want to stop it. Peace
is the future. I really believe that. Can we overcome

(01:09:17):
the Massy loss, the demoralization. Will the peace deal make
a significant improvement in that? Or is it too little
too late?

Speaker 12 (01:09:27):
The peace deal will be very helpful. Massy filed paperwork
to run for something in twenty twenty eight, and that's
going to give smaller libertarians some degree of hope. Whether
it's to get his seat back from edgel Rain, I
don't know if they're going to put another twenty five
million dollars to take the seat away. I don't know.

(01:09:49):
Trump will be on his way out the door at
that point, so that'll give smaller libertarian something to rally behind.
But aside from that, it's the spending, and it's the
war and the those are the really big things. Massey
was the one who went on the floor and he
demanded a quorum. He demanded that people for the Cares
Act didn't stay home, and that the that the Congress

(01:10:12):
went to work and they voted so that the House
wouldn't or that the country wouldn't die in an empty chamber.
It's a very famous speech that never would have happened
if we didn't have a principled constitutionalist in Congress. Uh So,
so it's really hard that we're not going to have
that anymore for another two years, and just the things
that that could happen, the things that won't be exposed
because of that. But Trump can trump. And it's not

(01:10:37):
just the small libertarians. It's the young people. I mean,
it's the people Tusa.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Sir no I told you this is why I'm having
this conversation, Josie, because you're right, it's not just a
small So the extent that young people are engaged in politics,
a lot of it is tinged with the smaller libertarian
I mean a lot of young people just think that
way intuitively, And I think that's that's great and fine,
because it again this adherence to the Constitution, these foundational principles.

(01:11:04):
I think it's really important. And you're and this is
why I took such note of the Massy races, because
I saw the demographic breakdown. So if you are not
sixty five plus you were voting for Thomas Massey, it
is in some ways the future. Now, some of those
people might shift their voting patterns as they get older.
I don't know. But the point is, this is really
important that we deal with this because a lot of

(01:11:25):
these kids are going to stay home. A lot of
these kids they don't know how to defend what's happening
in Iran. They don't know how know how to defend
any tinge of censorship. Right, So these are these big
overarching issues and basic principles that we need to adhere
to if we're going to have any hope. The question,
I guess is it's and I'm kind of getting at
different angles of this, but it is hope lost or

(01:11:48):
can we recruit these people back to show up? Maybe
not for the midterms, but twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 12 (01:11:53):
Trump needs to leave Thomas Massey alone. Forever, like he
needs to drop it with that, because every single time
he says he is anything against Thomas Massey, he loses more,
he loses more. And he doesn't just lose the small Libertarians,
he loses the young people. And so that's got to stop.
And I know he's he doesn't have Charlie as his
advisor anymore. He has Mark Levin. So that vacuum, that

(01:12:15):
void that Charlie when he left us, that was opened
up to forces that are not for what he believed in,
and they slid in and now they're in his ear.
And so if somebody else could could sort of get
in there and talk to him, or if Mark Levin

(01:12:35):
can get out of there, that would be would be
the best thing for the country. And when it comes
to the young people, people always say our country was
founded by a bunch of old white guys. No, it
was founded by guys in their twenties and thirties. Thomas
Jefferson was like, thirty three these this is the age.
This is the age of the Enlightenment. This is the
age that builds revolutions. And that's why it's so appealing

(01:12:59):
to Running Point USA and to you know, the small
libertarians who aren't that young anymore but are but are
still feeling that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
Well. I know, Josie that I can't remember the context
of it, but some sort of controversy, little dust up
on Twitter or something happened and Charlie reached out to you,
and I know it meant a lot to you, where
he said, well, we'll keep you, Josie with a smiley face,
and you put it up. I didn't realize you told
me that story, but you I didn't realize you had

(01:13:28):
it on your Twitter profile. And I feel the same
about you, Josie, We'll keep you. I think you're truly
one of the good ones and your heart is completely
in the right place. Even if we disagree about certain things,
I know that you're always down to have a conversation
and to talk it out, and some people aren't and
that's that's great about you. And so anyways, I think
this I hope people understood the heart of this conversation

(01:13:52):
is that, like, we need to keep the bridge with
smaller libertarianism, Like, even if you disagree with a bunch
of of the policies, you can understand that we need
to grow the coalition and keep the coalition together, and
you know, we need to keep young people engaged and
give them hope. And a lot of young people are
very idealistic and when they see hypocrisy or the things

(01:14:13):
that don't make sense, they tend to give into nihilism.
We can't let that happen either, So, Josie the Redheaded
Libertarian small l thank you for joining us today and
for coming on.

Speaker 8 (01:14:23):
Thanks.

Speaker 7 (01:14:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:14:28):
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