THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 128 — Pizza Hut Nationalism? America 250? Call Her Mommy? - The Charlie Kirk Show

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Speaker 2 (01:17):
These days, we seem to spend so much of our
time and energy surviving and reacting to the unhappy events
and the strife and the conflict in our overcrowded world.
But the vice centennials seem to awaken a certain feeling
of a rather dormant spirit that too often seems to
be missing from our modern life.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Call it patriotism, call it a rebirth of pride.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Call it whatever you will.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
But if you mingled with the crowds, watched up sale
and the fireworks yesterday, or came down for a last
fleeing like these people at the South Street Seaport this afternoon,
you might have felt what we did, a great sense
of joy and well being. For the first time in
many years, New Yorkers of all ages and backgrounds out
in force, celebrating together. It reminded you of a small
town celebration of the Fourth of July and idealized Rockwell tableau.

(02:01):
Only it wasn't a small town scene, not with these
hundreds of thousands out to see the ships. Young families,
older people, in many cases grandparents, parents, children celebrating together,
and if you talk to them, you found they articulated
what your eyes were seeing. A patriotic euphoria, bitter, angry, controversial,
years forgotten at least for this moment, unity, reborn pride.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
Are you a patriotic nut?

Speaker 6 (02:26):
No, not at all.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Then what happened to you? We just got caught up.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
In the feeling. I didn't think I was going to care,
and then when.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
The day came there we were.

Speaker 7 (02:36):
Just felt great.

Speaker 8 (02:36):
Everybody's in the spirit of the birthday move. Yesterday morning
on the train, when lady came in and.

Speaker 7 (02:41):
Said Happy Birthday, everybody, and everybody chimed and singing Happy
Birthday America.

Speaker 8 (02:46):
It was a beautiful spirit.

Speaker 6 (02:48):
I think people are closer together than they have ever
been in a long time. I saw us pulling apart
ten years ago and maybe people becoming very antagonistic. I
think this weekend showed us that's what we're really like.
We're really one.

Speaker 9 (03:02):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome on board to this week's edition
of thought Crime.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Thursday, we just watched there.

Speaker 9 (03:09):
It was video I believe, out of Boston of the
tall ships and the bi centennial.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Okay, it was new actually New York. They're telling me
it's New York.

Speaker 9 (03:18):
I know, The tall ships were in New York and
Boston from nineteen seventy six nineteen seventy six. The bi
centennial was the bi centennial a little bit bigger than
the two fiftieth. And why does it seem that way?
We are going to talk about it, We're going to
commit a lot of thought crimes while we do it.
But let's check who do we have with us today?

(03:40):
Oh my gosh, it's the original for up up thought crime.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
What's up, guys?

Speaker 8 (03:48):
How you doing? Jack?

Speaker 10 (03:49):
What did you just I just want to remind everybody
that that video might seem nice and and nice, but
then they marched down to the polling boost and they
elected Jimmy Carter right after that.

Speaker 8 (04:00):
So that's a good point. You know what it struck me.

Speaker 9 (04:04):
I know, that's because one of the major reasons that
Ford was that Ford lost in nineteen seventy six was
that America still believed the lie that, uh, you know,
that Nixon was worthy of impeachment and that Ford had
pardoned Nixon, and so they were sort of just mad

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at Ford over that.

Speaker 10 (04:26):
But my point is is the way that we can
be better than in the two fifty celebration is to
make this two fifty celebrations so big and so impactful
that we win midterms.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Are we going to make it big enough? It seems
it seems pretty muted.

Speaker 8 (04:41):
I mean, we're five as j five fourth, when it's gonna.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
July fourth will be. But they had stuff throughout the year.

Speaker 8 (04:48):
And just to rededicate to fifty guys.

Speaker 10 (04:51):
Trump's building an arch in, He's repaving the reflecting pool. Like,
there's so much stuff happening, so.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
So so yeah, I've been talking about this on X
like all day.

Speaker 9 (05:04):
And this all started actually with my mom, believe it
or not, because she wrote an op ed and she was,
you know, talking about this to me the other day
because she went to Valley Forge for the two fiftieth
or excuse me, the two hundredth, the bi centennial in
nineteen seventy six and rode horses in the end of
the wagon train there when Gerald Ford came and that's

(05:25):
when Valley Forge Park was It had been a state
park for its entire history up until nineteen seventy six,
and Ford came and designated a federal park. So this
year will be the fiftieth anniversary of it becoming a
federal park and it's kind of wild that it wasn't
a national park part of that, but anyway, and she
just always told all these stories about how it was
so big, how it was such a huge deal that

(05:45):
they were covered wagons from all fifty of the fifty states.
They have no idea how they got Alaska and Hawaii,
but that's what she said, and she was surprised at
how this year it seems kind of muted.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
And what she was saying is it wasn't so.

Speaker 9 (06:00):
Much about that the president, you know, isn't doing anything
there and there aren't you know, these events going on,
but just that the general mood of the country doesn't
seem to be as swept up in the anniversary as
it was fifty years ago. And that's kind of what
I wanted to get into. So it's not a knock
on anything the president's doing. It's just that in nineteen

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seventy six you saw this massive grassroots outpouring of love
and national pride for the country at you know, after time,
as we just said, you know, we saw a president resign,
we saw the Vietnam War had you know, it was
just kind of coming to an end back then, so
there was a lot of tumultuous activity going on in
the country.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
But there was something.

Speaker 9 (06:43):
About that that spirit to seventy six that really took
off in the bi centennial that we're just we're just
kind of not seeing this time around. It's more it
feels like it's more top down.

Speaker 11 (06:52):
Well, I think a big reason it would have felt different.
I'm looking at the numbers over time, and this is
something that's been pointed out a lot. The percentage of
Americans who were born abroad in nineteen seventy six was
almost the lowest it had ever been in American history.
I'm looking it's by decade here, So in nineteen seventy

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only four point seven percent of Americans were born abroad
four point seven percent in nineteen seventy So a few
years later that had gone up because we'd started doing immigration,
but that's still the lowest.

Speaker 8 (07:24):
Side it was.

Speaker 10 (07:25):
So that was the most American America. Because so Jack,
that explains why the seventy six was because everybody actually
looked from those.

Speaker 8 (07:37):
Videos and my thought was, wow, we used to have
a white country.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Yeah that too, but it's yeah, so we.

Speaker 8 (07:43):
Had sorry, white people are more into like the patriotism things,
and also.

Speaker 10 (07:46):
Also an American country were also.

Speaker 8 (07:48):
Black Americans American It was just to be clear Black Americans.
I disagree with them politically mostly, but I could. I mean, listen,
you cannot tell the American story if you just tell
the white story. You have to tell the black story too.
As much as it's been absolutely bastardized in the Duskegee
Airmen were like, not you know at all as you know,

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talented fighters as the movies. It doesn't matter to me.
You cannot tell the American story without telling the white
and the black story. Okay, there are as much Americans
as we are, so it doesn't surprise me that you'd
see them also being, you know, supporting.

Speaker 9 (08:27):
Zuzu's Nest was always like eighty five fifteen ninety ten
kind of kind of around there. It's always been that
traditional mix Zuzu's pedals.

Speaker 11 (08:36):
Ask in the comments, what was the percentage of non
Americans in America in seventeen seventy six?

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Really high?

Speaker 11 (08:41):
We actually crazy enough, We had very high. We had
like very high immigration. Even during the revolution. People just
kept pouring in. Thomas Paine. That's one of my favorite facts.
Thomas Paine was an immigrant who basically showed up and
wrote common sense and then fled the country.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
To go to France. But uh, yeah, no, so that was.

Speaker 11 (08:58):
Yeah, nineteen seventy six is one of the most American
generations because we had high immigration until the twenties. We
cut it off, and then that generation of immigrants got
heavily assimilated by World War one.

Speaker 8 (09:10):
We'll say War two or two. You got to remember
what's World War two? Right, So my dad is in
his early twenties in nineteen seventy six. He was raised,
going you know, to high school, the elementary school. All
his teachers were World War two vets. His college professors
were World War two vets. There was nothing. I think

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those of us who didn't live through it, I think
we failed to probably understand just how unifying winning World
War Two was for the body, politic, for the culture.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
How good for the country. It's so interesting.

Speaker 11 (09:44):
So, for example, you know what caused the baby boom,
pretty much like before the Great Depress. Before World War Two,
the US birth rate was actually only about what it
is today.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
It was really low.

Speaker 11 (09:54):
And then World War two happens, we win, and we think, oh,
we have all these veterans.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
How do we celebrate these veterans. Let's pass the GI.

Speaker 11 (10:01):
Bill and help a bunch of them go to college
and get jobs, and let's create all these veteran preferences.
So male status for all these World War two winning
veterans goes way up. So the marriage rate goes way up.
This is their wages go way up, the birth rate goes.

Speaker 8 (10:13):
Way Seeing the graphs right where it was like status
education like male to female. It turns out when you're male,
the males in your culture status wise, earnings wise, education
wise is higher than the females. You get a crap
ton of babies, and so.

Speaker 11 (10:29):
Many other things like I think one reason a whole
generation you had all these guys who's served in the military,
they got useful even stuff like for example, if you
watch old Star Trek, this is a funny thing.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Go on.

Speaker 11 (10:40):
Star Trek is made by this huge lib Jean Roddenberry,
And yet if you watch it, it just it feels
vaguely it's like you're watching actual US military propaganda.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
In some ways.

Speaker 11 (10:51):
Starfleet is this super effective organization. I know, it's highly
competent men, and it's because all the guys who made
it had served in the military in World War two.

Speaker 9 (10:58):
And it's like even even like when they go on
missions and the way they talk to each other, it's
you can tell it's written by and it's in a
lot of media from that timeframe.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
But that's a great example. Yeah, you can tell that it's.

Speaker 9 (11:11):
Written by people who are actually drawing on their own experiences.
I think I think Kurt Vonnegut was actually in like
the bombing of Dresden, and you know there's a ton
of just authors and writers who reached back to orwell,
of course was well that was the Spanish Civil War,
but you know who drawing on their own experiences that

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led to that.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
And so it was this massive you know forged you
know nation forging.

Speaker 9 (11:39):
Events like World War two and creates that shared identity.
And this that's a picture of Valley Forge right there.
You actually see a Confederate flag in that photo, which
is kind of interesting that like that was an event
that the president was going to and nobody had a
problem with the Confederate flag being there. In this image,
you can actually see Gerald Ford in one of the

(12:00):
stoical wagons that image. Hold this for a second that
if you look the the so the woman on the
very far right here that's my mom in the brown,
the one in the pink is my mom's cousin.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
They're on together.

Speaker 9 (12:12):
And the woman with the cowboy hat cowgirl hat is
my grandma.

Speaker 8 (12:17):
Very good. That's great. There's just yeah, there you go.
It's a huge crowd.

Speaker 11 (12:23):
So for the two hundred and fiftieth, we have a
few interesting celebrations that are very near and dear to
the President's heart. I only learned this today. I knew
about the UFC fight that we're doing. That's gonna be fun,
but I didn't know apparently we're doing an indie car
race through the streets of DC. Yeah, yeah, that's gonna
be that's gonna be something.

Speaker 8 (12:41):
I like that. I like that, like wait till the
summer kicks into full gear. We might have a total
different perspective of this, but I think the larger point
that you're making Jack, that we are more divided, We're
more ethnically divided. We have way more foreigners in their
children here that have no idea, no loyalty, many of them,
some have them, okay, and then we don't have this galvanizing,

(13:04):
victorious triumphant event just twenty five years in our past,
namely world War two where we defeated the Nazis and
tyranny and the Japanese. Instead, we've got you know, our boomers,
our Vietnam VET eras right, right, so they summer of
love Vietnam VET. We've got many costly wars and the
price of living, the cost of living is through the roof.

(13:26):
And there's all of these you know, there's a sense
of national decline, whether it's warranted or not, there is
a sense of national decline that is pervasive. And so
all of these things mix into this goo, this soup,
and I do think it's going to be muted. The
other thing that I would just like to add is that,
you know, back in the day, when we had a

(13:48):
president that wasn't the party that you were ready. So
if we had a Democrat, you were registered Republican, there
was still a sense that he's your president. Now we
do this game, he's not my president. So half the
country is instantly turned off to the two fifty because
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Speaker 11 (16:49):
True enough and it shows the greater obsession with politics,
because it's not like nineteen seventy six had no political split.
The splits in the sixties were incredibly bad. The rioting
was a lot worse than when we just come out
of Watergate. Watergate was psychologically devastating for America. In some ways,
we've never recovered from what happened in Watergate.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
If you look at the.

Speaker 11 (17:09):
General respect and status of the president in the fifties
and sixties, and it's just it's.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
Lost after Watergate.

Speaker 11 (17:17):
After that's when we get all the cynical political stuff.
It's when we get, frankly, a big increase in like
conspiracy theories involving the president. There's just a lot more
sense that you can't trust the government. I think Congress
has basically been stuck at twenty percent or below approval
rating ever since Watergate happened.

Speaker 8 (17:34):
Did Nixon do the wrong thing? Had taken the fall?

Speaker 11 (17:37):
I think Nixon did the wrong thing in not having
a blood bath of his staff immediately after the break
in happened.

Speaker 10 (17:47):
The wrong thing.

Speaker 8 (17:49):
But just to be clear what we're talking about, Jack,
you should probably just do the primer here because there's
probably some people that haven't got this full story. But
Nixon took the fall for the sake of the nation
when it came to Watergate.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Big time.

Speaker 9 (18:02):
And and by the way, I just before we go
down too much, too far down the rabbit hole. So
this this had just taken place. Nixon resigns in seventy four.
So those those images you're looking at with Gerald Ford there,
he's already pretty unpopular as a president in this in
those images of Ford speaking at Valley Forge, and he
would go on, I pulled it up. He you know,

(18:24):
he loses to ninety seven to forty later that same year,
so he loses the presidential election. He wins a fair
amount of states, actually wins.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
More states than than harder.

Speaker 9 (18:37):
He actually loses Pennsylvania, which is the state that he's
campaigning in right there. But yeah, that's a losing president
in you know, the course, the president that no one
ever elected. But again to Blake's broader point, the idea
was that, you know, he was still the president. It
wasn't It wasn't like, oh, I'm going to go see
that Republican Gerald Ford. It's like I'm going to go
see the president. And you know, so that was sort

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of seen as separate. The role itself was seen as
separate from the person. Does that makes sense, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (19:06):
Of course no. I think that's the larger point. The
Americans could still put their nation above politics, and we've
lost that ability. I think we lost that ability starting
with you know, probably a rock, honestly, and it accelerated
under Obama, and this continued to accelerate under Trump. Sadly,
Biden certainly didn't help, calling MAGA conservatives the greatest danger

(19:30):
and existential danger to the to the country, and you know,
and the and then and then the villainization of white America,
the white supremacy. They still go on about how we're
the greatest threat to the country. That's the most retarded
thing I've heard in a long time. I really came
to this conclusion. Like I've known it's dumb, but the
villainization of white America by the progressive left is literally

(19:53):
one of the most retarded things. It doesn't help hold
up statistically, it doesn't hold up anecdotally, it doesn't hold
up economically, it doesn't hold up in any way, shape
or form. Actually, white Americans tend to be pretty darn
good citizens, and the country is lucky to have like
a vibrant, you know, robust white you know population.

Speaker 9 (20:15):
So go look at I was gonna say, go look
at go look at those images. Go look at the
images again. There's you know, does does that look like
a problem?

Speaker 7 (20:22):
Right?

Speaker 4 (20:23):
Right? There's always so much lying.

Speaker 9 (20:24):
About the left where they say like, oh, people weren't
patriotic in the past. There was no Norman Rockwell America.
That was all just made up. And it's like this
is something where there are people who I'm sure there
are people watching the show, there are people who remember
it that have living memory of this America and being
this patriotic and having American bi centennial fever just took

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over and I was taking and I'd love to throw
out to the chat you know, do you guys, if
you can remember it, do you what do you remember
about the bi centennial?

Speaker 4 (20:53):
The Quarters were a big part of that.

Speaker 9 (20:54):
I remember growing up with like bi Centennial Quarters was
a big deal they made.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
That was like the first special edition of the Quarter
that was made.

Speaker 9 (21:01):
Now they kind of do it like every year had
no offense secretary vest and but you know, it's just
it's just not as cool because it's like the first
one that the first time happened, like every every company
was doing something literally every company, you know, Patriotic Zippo lighters, Patriot.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
And they which were made in the USA. I don't
know if they're still made in the USA.

Speaker 9 (21:20):
But it's it's just on and on and on, Whereas
today it's sort of like, you know, I think Coke
is doing cups, you know, That's that's one thing I've
seen it like my kid's Little league games. But other
than that, it's it just yet feels very top down.

Speaker 8 (21:34):
Well, we've had we've had some hits to the brand.
You know, that's just you know, that's the bottom line.
America's had some hits to the brand. Uh and the
hits keep saying saying, hits keep coming unfortunately.

Speaker 9 (21:46):
But I Tyler, you always talk about how a lot
of this goes back to Obama and we just we
sort of, you know, give him a pass on it,
but it really does.

Speaker 10 (21:55):
It's all Obama, the whole thing.

Speaker 8 (21:58):
It's not all Obama.

Speaker 10 (21:59):
It's all Obama.

Speaker 8 (22:00):
It's a lot Obama. I all agree with you. It
was a lot.

Speaker 10 (22:02):
It's one hundred percent of Obama.

Speaker 8 (22:03):
Can I make your kids the shift?

Speaker 10 (22:05):
The shift happened during the It's very.

Speaker 8 (22:08):
Clear started apologizing for America, I mean everything. That's when
you also saw a lot arise in the publications, you know,
New York Times, Washington Post, use of the word race.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yeah, that all blew up. That all starts to go
up a lot.

Speaker 11 (22:20):
And I want to say, two thousand and nine, twenty ten, uh,
it goes really really up in if.

Speaker 10 (22:25):
You just look at the graphs that that Blake had
just up. I mean, America was pretty consistent with uh,
its foreign born population and then obviously hit a huge
spike in the Reagan decision.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
And then nineteen ninety people the next people look, everybody
goes to heart cellar, which was big, but nineteen ninety
might have been like just fundamentally bigger because we went
from five hundred thousand green cards a year to one
point two million. Yeah, and we've just been going on that.

Speaker 10 (22:57):
Race and then it's just been it's just been increasing
ever since during the Obama years. I mean, obviously the
Democrats figured out during the Obama years that eight years
was so devastating for America because they figured out all
the things that they could do within the framework of
the Constitution to fundamentally change America. And that goes to

(23:18):
packing the Supreme Court. This idea didn't pop up until,
you know, basically starting with Holder and co. H the
redistricting games. You know, part of the everybody's like you
ask any old person, be like, hey, did you ever
even when we're even aware about redistricting? Nobody was aware
of redistricting? This is this is there, These are now
games gamesmanship that was basically conducted again, Eric Holder and

(23:42):
co initiated this entire process. Uh, the concept of flooding
the country with illegals, you know, to change how redistricting
is impacted is the primary I believe the primary reason
why we have such increase in foreign born said, you know,

(24:03):
foreign born nationals that are coming to the country. You
have a huge amount of things that have now changed
that now you talk about your California the top two
primary system, you talk about rank choice voting. I mean, again,
we lived two hundred and fifty years in this country.
Most of these ideas have sprung up in the last

(24:25):
fifteen and really.

Speaker 8 (24:27):
They get Dudicial activism is another thing. And they really
got the national injunctions, the law fair.

Speaker 10 (24:34):
And they got their legs again under Eric Holder and
code they they like everything got, it's got changed during
the Obama administration. So I mean, if you don't like
the direction of America is going, and lots of people,
I've heard lots of people complain, They're like, well, I
don't like that Republicans are engaging in the ree districting
fights or you know, you know, I don't even know

(24:56):
why we're talking about X, Y and Z. It's like, well,
because all of this was brought to the forefront because democrats,
really bad democrats, radical democrats who want to hijack the
government were put into positions of power during the Obama administration.

Speaker 8 (25:10):
So I'm gonna we're hitting back. We've taken some hits
to the brand, but we're hitting back, and I want
to I don't want to like people get like bummed
out about everything. This is a big white pill moment.
So the day we're recording this, if you're listening on
podcasts on Saturday, but we're recording this right now live
on Thursday. So there's this big autopsy, right, Throw this

(25:31):
graph up if you would, Jack. I don't know if
you saw this or not, but look at the gains
that conservatives have had since the Obama mania of two
thousand and eight. Look at that. So in two thousand
and nine, it was sixty Democrat senators yep, to forty.
Now we're at fifty three Republicans to forty seven. That's

(25:51):
at R plus thirteen. Congress, we're R plus forty one. Governors,
we're R plus five. State legislators were our plus nearly
a thousand. So can I follow up state trifectas where
we have both houses and the governorship R plus thirteen.

Speaker 10 (26:05):
So my follow up to that is that some of
these ideas and the people who are implementing them are
highly unpopular. Right, so the Democrats shift this radicalism to
basically take over the government is I think organically I
don't think there's been like an actual great national narrative
that's talked about this, but I think that people in general,

(26:28):
Americans in general, have rejected that. I mean, the reality
is that Democrats worked harder to hijack the country and
they've lost ground to this point.

Speaker 8 (26:37):
Yeah, yeah, they tried. I mean the question ultimately, and
I know Jack and I have ruminated about this before,
is you have to sort of ask yourself how much
virtue is left in the body politic, how much Americana
is still coursing through our veins, how much patriotism, Like
that's a big question, especially when you've had the largest

(26:59):
movement of humanity move in to our country in the
last four years.

Speaker 11 (27:03):
We have fifty million people who were born outside America.
But on top of that, all their kids, I mean, yeah,
all their kids.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
And and I'd say it also matters that I.

Speaker 11 (27:12):
Think they come from overall more alien cultures. And it's
a lot easier to avoid assimilating today because you can
if you're if you move here now from let's say India,
now you can be on social media from India. You
can easily fly back.

Speaker 8 (27:27):
To India or India continent.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
Yeah, exactly, you can.

Speaker 11 (27:30):
You basically can and live in your Indi neighborhood and
basically live in a little India in the US, and
it's just dude, Yeah, and you have fewer vectors that
would cause you to assimilate, because if you're an immigrant
here one hundred years ago, it's going to be aggressively
pushed that you need no English. But also you'll probably
be Christian, so you'll probably be involved in US Christian churches,

(27:52):
whereas if you're Hindu, there are not really any American
Hindus other than Tulsi Gabbard.

Speaker 8 (27:57):
But you've made this point. I forget what the article was,
but it was brilliant, but it made the case.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
And maybe no I remember that.

Speaker 8 (28:07):
So you talk about how alien a culture is and
somehow we need to systematize our thinking on this because
they if you go back far enough, let's let's take
our brains back to eighteen eighty, right, you still have
a majority Anglo America America, and they were freaking out

(28:28):
about Italians and Polish and they were they were freaking
out about the Irish. They thought that those cultures were
going to be impossible to assimilate. But you had aggressive
assimilation pressures from native born Americans from the economy, from jobs,
from churches, from civic society and the and it really
didn't work for a long time, and a lot of

(28:51):
those populations cause massive problems. What happened. You had the
Great Depression, and you had World War Two that galvanized
the nation and reform orged a national identity. But the
big problem was is that it created this myth. The
myth was we're a nation of immigrants, and that myth
has blown open the doors to this even more alien

(29:13):
cultures from the American core culture. And the question is,
can you assimilate cultures that are so alien, that don't
share your religion, that don't share a love of Western
civilization or inherent understanding of it. That's the open question.

Speaker 9 (29:26):
I mean, I didn't say this when we were having
this conversation earlier, because I brought this up on my
show on Human Events, but you know, and I hate
doing the whole like.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Oh, well, my wife, but.

Speaker 9 (29:41):
So, you know, speaking as a guy who does live
with a you know, in a family where I have
a wife who's an immigrant and has children whose mother
is an immigrant, and I know she listens to the
show every week.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
It's it. I just got to say it.

Speaker 9 (29:59):
Though you know, she loves this country. She is totally
assimilated to this country, not just patriotically though, but also
culturally and in terms of her background.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
And for our kids, when they're.

Speaker 9 (30:13):
Going around, you know, playing Little League or whatever, they
have no problem whatsoever fitting in, even though they are
in a sense first generation immigrants, and they don't run
into that experience that many of the people who you know,
cite issues of alienation and isolation run into as first

(30:33):
generation immigrants, because just because she's from Europe, and because
the majority of people in America are from Europe, and
Andrew to your point that it's actually okay to say that,
and it's actually okay to have immigration from Europe. And
yet for some strange reason, all of the Heartseller and

(30:55):
nineteen nineties and other immigration policies have always attempted to
dilute at the level of that population. Yet I just
know from again anecdotal personal experience, that when you know,
and someone comes over from Europe and wants to settle
down here and have a family, it's seamless.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
It's just seamless.

Speaker 8 (31:17):
Charlie used to talk a lot about Angel Studios and
what they were building, and as you know I've been
a longtime fan of it for the same reason, so
I wanted to share some of my favorite films and
shows on Angel, and I put them all into one
easy to use watch list. This is content that's actually
worth your time, not just noise or recycled talking points,
but stories that go a level deeper and ask better questions.

(31:38):
That's what stands out about Angel to me. They're willing
to put out films and documentaries that don't just follow
the usual script, especially when it comes to politics, culture,
and the bigger conversations you and I should be having.
So on my watch list you'll find picks that lean
into those topics, but there are also solid options for
family or just something meaningful to watch at the end
of a stressful day. If you want to check it out,

(31:59):
go to Angel dot com slash Charlie and take a
look at the watch list I put together. Not all
immigration is bad, even though I'm very much pro net
zero immigration morator, because at this point we can't get
what we want, Like it's you can't you can't get
cultures that are easily assimilable, assimilatable because you know the Democrat.

Speaker 9 (32:23):
Being Blake Blake craps on on Eastern European food.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
He's just he's just completely wrong. It's so good.

Speaker 8 (32:28):
Wait, I don't even know what Eastern Europe.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
If you want to have some.

Speaker 8 (32:33):
List, I was gonna say, like if all if all
it is.

Speaker 11 (32:36):
Is like, boy, you guys, have you mean your culture
has meat surrounded by some dough.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
That's such a unique.

Speaker 10 (32:43):
Cultural First of all American it's Peter ghee and Russian.

Speaker 8 (32:50):
Look at Jack space you're we are I've seen is.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Something wrong with them?

Speaker 6 (32:56):
Like?

Speaker 4 (32:56):
What's wrong with that? I think a lot of cultures
have you know, mea with that? Nothing.

Speaker 10 (33:05):
They're incredible.

Speaker 8 (33:07):
I think it's been Blake has been on.

Speaker 9 (33:09):
A jihas Eastern European food, Slavic food forever.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
And is it poor people food? You bet it is.
It's definitely poor people.

Speaker 11 (33:17):
I don't even dump on it that hard. One of
my favorite restaurants is I was in when I was
in Poland and Goadansk. I went to a baked potato
themed restaurant, Bar pod Riba bar under the fish Yeah, man,
it's under the fish Man and it's got eighty different
types of baked potato.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
I had, Oh, I see that we're being asked. We're
being asked to segue.

Speaker 9 (33:37):
And I believe our next topic does actually have something
to do with food as well.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
That I did not intend this, this was this was unintentional.

Speaker 8 (33:48):
Okay, let's do it. Okay, Jack, let me do this one. Okay,
so many many moons ago many A Polish American not
not hyphenated an American of Polish descent, Jack Pasoviek lamented
repeatedly online about the fall of a once great American institution,

(34:11):
and that institution used to be the gathering point of
American families, rich and poor, black and white, rural and urban.
And that institution, of course, was none other than the
Great Pizza Hut. Now, unfortunately, like many institutions in American life,

(34:31):
it fell upon hard times, It forgot itself, it forgot
what made it great. But out of the ashes arose
one who remembered its former greatness and called upon it
to rise once more, to reclaim its throne as America's
gathering place where families could feel safe and play bad
video games and put quarters in to beat their old

(34:53):
records and their personal best and have those plastic cups
that were red and sort of sort of see through
and get the crushed ice. That's right, Pizza Hut is
rising once more, and Jack Pasobic deserves to take a
very very well deserved bow, because I'm pretty sure this

(35:14):
started with your Twitter account and an entrepreneur took hold
of the vision that you set forth, Jack, and it's
making Pizza Hut great again.

Speaker 10 (35:23):
Yes, I mean.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
So so. I mean it's just one of those things. Look,
thank you. Look, it's just one of those things.

Speaker 9 (35:31):
Where it's like credit where it's due, you know, during COVID.
I'll never forget this.

Speaker 7 (35:37):
Man.

Speaker 9 (35:37):
I have my kids and I was just like, let's
go out to you know, get something, get some food.
And I was like, you know, I haven't been to
Pizza Hut in forever, and gosh, I had so many
great memories of We had one within walking distance of
my house where I grew up, and I was like,

(35:58):
I was like, you know, this is something I should
repeat with my kids. So I go in and it
was a former classic Pizza Hut and it had like
boxes everywhere. It was clearly operating as just a door
dash kind of place. It was I'm gonna say it
was dirty. There was like just junk all over the place,
and I went in and said, hey, can we can

(36:19):
we sit and eat here with my son?

Speaker 4 (36:21):
And I think Tany had because.

Speaker 9 (36:22):
Our other on was was was really little and I'm like,
what's going on? And they didn't even think that people
could eat inside, and it went crazy viral. I think
Elon engaged with it and some other stuff. And for
years I've been talking about pizza hut nationalism, about how
we just used to have these pizza huts that were

(36:43):
centered around families and pizza huts that were centered around
people getting together and having a good time. And if
everyone remembers, I think I think before it was the
Old Land before Time VHS video and the Turtles VHS
video that and you would get them they would have
a pizza hut like a long form ad that was,

(37:05):
you know from the ads we have there.

Speaker 10 (37:08):
No for kids in the late eighties early nineties in particular,
it was like if your parents took you to pizza hut,
you were extraordinarily wealthy and you were like really well liked,
you did something really great in school. It was the
book remember the book thing too? What was it?

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yea pizza don't we have it?

Speaker 11 (37:29):
Like, guys, let's show some of these ads. So let's
do it. Let's do the book at promo first, Let's
do SOP five.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
Teaching a child to read is a gift. The Book
It program from Pizza Hut encourages kids to read by
giving them their favorite food, pizza, and since nineteen eighty five,
we've held.

Speaker 12 (37:51):
Over two hundred million children.

Speaker 7 (37:53):
Discuff are the joints of reading, because reading is a
gift that everyone should share.

Speaker 11 (38:05):
Pretty recent that doesn't even look like an eighties dude.

Speaker 10 (38:10):
That that like the feeling of like getting to go
to like because there was one thing, there's there's two differences.
There was getting pizza delivered to your house, which was special,
that was cool, That was it. But getting to go
to actual the actual Pizza Hut and like walk up
to that salad bar and like get like sit down

(38:30):
and you get the full pizza and like the full
pizza experience with that look like there's nothing else. There's
nothing better than that.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Let's show a few of the other I want to go.

Speaker 9 (38:39):
I want to play that ad because like as cool
as it is, right, it's it's jumping bigger than Pizza Hut.
It's always been a bigger thing because you're you're trying
to harken back to that by centennial Americanism, that that
classic Americanism. Family friendly, a community get together. And the
minute you turn on one.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Of those ads, you just get that feeling.

Speaker 9 (39:02):
It hits you right in the fields and U and
I think there's there's none more. And I know you
guys like to do it because it always gets me.
But now I actually get to be happy because it's happening.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
It's finally happening. Let's roll it.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Off in the distance.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
The game's dragging on, there's strikes all the batter some
runners are on.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
But suddenly everyone's looking at me.

Speaker 9 (39:37):
My mind has been wondering what could it be?

Speaker 5 (39:42):
They bought in the sky and I look.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Up above and a baseball falls into my glove.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
A play right feel, it's important and now you.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Gotta know how to You gotta know how to throw.

Speaker 8 (40:02):
That's why I'm playing right.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
Field, way out where the Dan the Lion.

Speaker 12 (40:08):
Screw was a proud sponsor of Little League Baseball Pizza
Hut welcomes all the kids who make it great.

Speaker 10 (40:16):
Is that Goldberg from the Mighty Duck?

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Yeah, it's Goldberg.

Speaker 10 (40:19):
That's Goldberg. Wait wait wait, wait, hold on the Catcher
is literally Goldberg, like the most iconic fat Kid from
Fat Kid eighties and nineties movies.

Speaker 11 (40:32):
I feel they need to point out that, like, does
do kids in your little league have uniforms that nice?
In my league, we just kind of had crappy sponsored
T shirts that say like beersch Bock equipment and supply
on it. I think that was actually who sponsored us.
We didn't win any games, unfortunately.

Speaker 8 (40:48):
But I love it all. I just I'm getting emotional
because now I got kids, and I want to think
about Little League and Okay, we used to have a country, guys.

Speaker 11 (40:58):
Okay, but we used to have a country. This show
what called thought. So I'm going to provoke all three
of you guys right now. I have a few things. One,
I feel like a lot of the stuff. Even if
it went away from Pizza Hut for a while, it
didn't go away from America. You can still find these things.
There are still there are still pizza buffets all over.

Speaker 10 (41:18):
Yeah. But the point is that there was an iconic
We had a monoculture environment that was built by Pizza
Hut that every kid yearned for, Like if you were
a normal kid in again, the late eighties, early nineties,
you wanted two things, a Nintendo and you wanted to

(41:40):
go to Pizza Hut as regularly as possible, And if
your parents took you, you were like, oh my gosh,
my parents love me. The same way that if your
parents under the Christmas tree put like a Nintendo or
Super Nintendo, you were like, my parents love me.

Speaker 11 (41:53):
Well, okay, that's cool and all. But there are restaurants
people like today as well. There are food, yeah, but
there's not like a and here's there.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
There are no facts.

Speaker 9 (42:02):
People are saying like there's no literally, it literally doesn't exist.

Speaker 10 (42:06):
If you would have told children in nineteen ninety two,
like where would they go? Like where would they like
basically kill to go or have your parents take them?
Most of them, like would have said, it would have
been an overwhelming majority would have been like pizza, It's so
cool because of this whole book Itt thing, like everything.
Kids did not love pizza because of book it. I'm

(42:27):
I'm telling you people like to book It because of pizza.
How did I like, how do we just like all
know about it?

Speaker 7 (42:32):
Then?

Speaker 11 (42:33):
So I'll be honest, I only the cultural spillover. I
only think I think only went to pizza Hut a
couple of times.

Speaker 8 (42:38):
No, I like, I love.

Speaker 9 (42:39):
Getting happy meal and I love here's to suggest that
it's you know that there might be, you know, some
regional differences where people weren't as into it.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Sure that's fine, but yeah, I mean like total nobody
had everywhere, but like everywhere.

Speaker 10 (42:52):
The reality is that like in normal suburbia in America,
there was like you were like blessed to get a
happy meal. That was cool. But what's really interesting about
this cultural iconic scene at Pizza Hut is that kids
were getting toys and stuff. You were just going to
eat pizza as a family.

Speaker 11 (43:13):
Okay, you can still go get pizza. You going to
to get pizza family. This is but you have always
been able to do.

Speaker 10 (43:23):
Like I didn't even like.

Speaker 9 (43:24):
I feel like you missed the first part of this
where like I tried to do that and I couldn't
and then I couldn't find a place that was even
like the original Pizza Hut.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Like that's what actually started all.

Speaker 10 (43:35):
Of this And now it's back, okay.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Right, and now we're bringing it back.

Speaker 8 (43:40):
Go to a pizza right.

Speaker 10 (43:42):
Well, Blake, Like here's the deal. We're going to get
you hooked up you're gonna have kids and you're gonna
take them to these re and.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
I'll go to Peter Parks or whatever we call it,
Peter Piper Pizza and something like that. That's a pizza buffet
here and POENI Peter.

Speaker 10 (43:53):
Piper Pizza feels like autism in real life.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
I think don't even know that. That's hilarious, Tyler.

Speaker 10 (44:01):
Like it feels like physical autism around, like if you're
in like like inside the body of autism, like that,
like that is that's what you There was a commun
am I right about this, Jack, the commune.

Speaker 9 (44:14):
Experience everything you're saying Tyler and Tyler, I'm group on
the opposite ends of the country. So I mean, like,
what you're talking about is exactly the same thing I
experienced on the on the East coast. You grew up
in Arizona, and yet it's the exact same feeling, the
exact same childhood and you know, at least experience in

(44:35):
terms of this, and Pizza Hut was able to take that.
And I'm not saying there aren't other regional brands that
have done this.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
I could think of a.

Speaker 9 (44:42):
Couple on the East Coast that that do kind of
get there, but there's there's there. There's nothing as nationally
iconic as the Pizza Hut. And my point is is
that in Pizza Hut is national chain. You can actually
see the slip between a place that was a family
restaurant in its heyday that moved to the sort of

(45:03):
like go go hey, just pick up your pizza and
leave sort of plays as McDonald's, by the way, has
you know if you were, and fewer playgrounds as is
another sort of example of what we're talking about here, because.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Because they're just not designed for families anymore.

Speaker 8 (45:19):
No, but the average American family doesn't feel safe in them.
You have a bunch of weirdos hanging out at McDonald's now.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
Probably insurance stuff with McDonald.

Speaker 10 (45:27):
But that's the point. Like McDonald's, like again, it was
like exciting to go. Playplace was dirty and grimy. It
was disgusting, like there's like loose diapers.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
You always got hurt on the metal bars.

Speaker 10 (45:37):
It's just disgusting, like and you gotta go like get
a happy meal whatever, like and as a toy and
like that way can we get a.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Picture of like the old McDonald's playground.

Speaker 10 (45:46):
The really special part about pizza hut. That was interesting
was that to this point was that there was nothing flashy.
It wasn't like cheap dopamine stuff. It was it was you.
You went and it was the family experience, and it
was like you got to hold a play as a kid,
walk up to the salad bar, get what kind of

(46:08):
whatever you wanted, You sat down, they brought you the
pizzas a family. You're there and it's this calming vibe
and it was like you spent time there, like it
wasn't like you're in and out rushing in and out.

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I mean, but how much of this is legitimately back
to our first conversation, like immigration, Like I'll just thought

(47:53):
crime it okay? So, an average white family in nineteen
eighty would go to a ninety percent white neighborhood. Uh
McDonald old's poor people, rich people, but they shared the
same culture. Yeah, And they would go in and it
felt like you were next to your neighbor and now
you go there and it's like you've got people you
don't relate to, they don't share culture. Some of them

(48:14):
are like make you feel unsafe, and it just kind
of loses its bluster. You see this with public.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
This is what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 11 (48:20):
I think I think some of this is I'll be
I'll put it be honest. I think it's on white
people because, first of all, you say it feels unsafe.
America's way more unsafe in the eighties, nineteen eighties. That
like the period we're remembering is peak murder wave America.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
America now is super sill. Yeah, that's how you feel.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
But you feel, you know, like, okay, what else says
feel that way? Let's assume concede me.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
The I think a lot of people.

Speaker 11 (48:42):
I think a lot of people are I think we
have helicopter parody.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
I think a lot of people are paranoid. I think
they've trained themselves.

Speaker 8 (48:49):
To be paranoid social and to.

Speaker 11 (48:52):
Be downbea And I also think a lot of this
is also I think white people have elevated their expectations
for food, so they feel irresponsible taking their kids to
a bunch of junk food. You know, a giant junk
food buffet, like, oh, should I actually feed my kids
a ton of pizza out of buffet?

Speaker 8 (49:11):
We take our kids like parties all the time at
like these trampoline.

Speaker 9 (49:14):
But that's also the whole Maha movement is about that,
which which is alterally the whole Moha moviment does.

Speaker 10 (49:19):
Trampline parks is a.

Speaker 9 (49:20):
Massive political movement, like literally dedicated to this question.

Speaker 10 (49:23):
The real life autism thing, though, is like what's your
trampoline parks feel?

Speaker 7 (49:27):
Like?

Speaker 5 (49:28):
What do you mean by real life autism?

Speaker 10 (49:30):
Everything's like all the sensory stuff. It's like overload. It's
like kids everywhere it smells like it's disgusting, like it's
a dirty.

Speaker 8 (49:39):
My kids love it because they're no.

Speaker 11 (49:41):
I know, like the same smell play that dirty Pizza
Hut had, like you know, like no garbage or like
dirt and grime everywhere in the eighties.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
Eighties was a pretty dirty, grimy time.

Speaker 10 (49:53):
But the point is is, like I just threw in
the chat, It's like there was a totally different vibe
to this. The point is the kids like this, and
I was just that you yourself were no. Eight thousands,
thousands of people there's probably a little bit of both going.
But point my point is is like the kids still
like the sensory overload stuff that still exists. It just
looks different now like you have Like what I.

Speaker 8 (50:14):
Was gonna say is we would we do pizza party?
So when we do a birthday party at a trampoline park, right,
they have a venue where like a person comes in,
they light a cake, they cut the cake, they serve
the cake to the kids, and then when they have
usually serve pizza. So it's not pizza hut, but.

Speaker 10 (50:30):
But the pizza hut of the nineties was like again,
it was the vibe, it was different, like kids wanted it.
But the it's weird kids.

Speaker 8 (50:39):
We don't have to play this whole thing. But I
feel like we're missing a big chunk of this conversation
because this is what the guy did to fulfill Jack's
vision classic. Maybe we don't have it loaded yet. Do
we have it loaded? But this I wanted to make
sure we actually played the story because this guy's been
putting this out there. I think he's at like eighty
locations these pizza huts. Again, is it is it loaded? Guys?

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I'm sorry if it's not. I have a second video
I just dropped into loaded. Okay, thirty seven you can
play it. You don't have to play the whole thing,
but go ahead, thirty seven.

Speaker 10 (51:13):
You miss it.

Speaker 12 (51:13):
At night, Pennsylvania, a familiar red roof catches the eye inside,
the vinyl boots, Tiffany style lamps, and yes, the salad
bar you may remember from decades ago.

Speaker 13 (51:26):
I mean, it's amazing the comments we have about they
have the red cups. Yes we do.

Speaker 12 (51:32):
Tim Sparks got his start working at a pizza Hut
that looked like this. He's now president of Daylin Corporation,
which owns this franchise and more than eighty others around
the country. They've redecorated many restaurants to rewind the clock.
It looks exactly like the one that I remember from when.

Speaker 10 (51:48):
I was a kid.

Speaker 8 (51:49):
Yeah, that's what we.

Speaker 12 (51:50):
Were after some pizza hut classics are now top performing locations.
Customers show up for a piece of their childhood.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
It's a great like memories.

Speaker 12 (51:59):
To share with their own kids.

Speaker 9 (52:00):
When you finally find something that tastes how you genuinely
remember it tasting like, you can't let.

Speaker 13 (52:07):
It get People come from two to three hours. Wait,
I'm not making that up.

Speaker 12 (52:11):
More restaurants are serving up nostalgia. Franchises like Burger King
and KFC returned to old school logos and packaging in
recent years. At Pizza Hut, they even brought back pac Man.
But for Sparks, Ah, this is much more than a game.
It's a mission to rebuild places where families can connect.

Speaker 13 (52:30):
And if we can get them in here as a family,
they do tend to put their phones down. They actually
have conversations and speak with each other. I'm not going
to tell you I know how to fix the world,
but I do think that family is a good place
to start.

Speaker 12 (52:42):
He hopes to renovate more of his restaurants as long
as he can find enough of those lamps.

Speaker 10 (52:47):
They're hard to get.

Speaker 13 (52:48):
Yeah, they're almost impossible.

Speaker 12 (52:50):
To get a familiar taste. Well, chairs bringing people together,
just like I remember anyone again Bradley Blackburn's CBS New
Us to Pennsylvania.

Speaker 11 (53:03):
That's that's like lost technology, Like, oh, we can't we
can't make we probably would.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
You probably would have to go to China to make
them from scratch.

Speaker 8 (53:10):
But I love that guy's whole vibe. He's like, I
don't know much and I don't know how to fix everything, but.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
I like it.

Speaker 11 (53:16):
But because people they show, they're saying, oh, it's a
piece of my childhood.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
I want to revisit that I was.

Speaker 10 (53:24):
Okay, that's cool, but you know what's wait time out?
These are in Pennsylvania to Jack, you get to go
to these?

Speaker 8 (53:29):
Yeah? Have you been to one? Jack?

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (53:33):
They are not in my corner of Pennsylvania. These are
like Central Pa. So we haven't been to one yet.

Speaker 10 (53:40):
What are you waiting one? Let's hold on.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Where you know, because it's it's I would have to
be one of those.

Speaker 11 (53:45):
Far away three hours tongue canic. Okay, you have to
drive three hours. Okay, so it's like normal but like, okay,
so I'm a Dodger fan. Everybody hates on me whatever,
you know what upsets me though? And they talked about this,
how like Burger King's going back to old logos.

Speaker 8 (53:59):
Can he's going back to old logos for the love
of god, Baseball stop doing this like University of Oregon garbage,
where you're like changing up your jersey all the time.
Give me the iconic, like the old school. You know
you saw it with the Little League thing. They were
the old school baseball jerseys.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
They look you know, the Eagles and the Phillies have
been doing it.

Speaker 9 (54:19):
The Eagles and Phillies have been bringing back the classic
jerseys and it's amazing.

Speaker 8 (54:24):
It's so good, so much better.

Speaker 10 (54:27):
Anyways, that's just like I think we have thirty seven
just shows you, shows you the walk through the pizza class.

Speaker 8 (54:33):
Right wait, I thought you wanted the playgrounds from McDonald's.

Speaker 10 (54:37):
Oh no, is thirty seven. Yeah, this is the walk through.
This is the guy yeah, I mean guys. And again
night time. It's a totally different vibe, like the lamp,
those lamps and night Oh.

Speaker 8 (54:49):
Yeah, caboose is just like nostalgia bating everybody.

Speaker 9 (54:54):
Like It's true, I was, I was joking when I
put this up the first time. I even pointed out
that they should they should really nostalgibate these for like
elder millennial gen y parents, but even like you know,
working in for like the TikTok generation. So you should
set up like old TVs and have like the land
before time playing and stuff like that throughout the theater,

(55:16):
throughout the places.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
It's so funny about this.

Speaker 9 (55:19):
You know, just like go lean in and absolutely embrace
all of it.

Speaker 11 (55:24):
What's funny about this is, in some sense, it's actually
the opposite of making it more I don't want to
say the opposite, but it's not. It's not quite related
to making it more pro family, because if you're deliberately
nostalgia bating millennials, you're basically saying we're aiming this kind
of a You're actually kind of saying, I'm aiming this
at childless millennials in their thirties and forties, because parents

(55:48):
go where their parents go, where their.

Speaker 8 (55:50):
Kids want to go.

Speaker 10 (55:51):
No, no, no parents.

Speaker 11 (55:52):
Pizza Hut in the eighties was signed to appeal to
children in the eighties. Now it's designed to appeal to
people who were children.

Speaker 10 (56:01):
Parents have a combination of their children. But if you
don't have kids, no, but appeasing your children with what
they want and then showing kids what you like parents parents.
Part of the reason why I totally agree there's a
totally weird, you know, Disney adult thing that exists. Then

(56:21):
there's a certain and there's people who will show up
to this because of that. But there's also a huge
base of consumers that want to show their kids like
their experiences. But a big portion I think that an
underrepresented portion of Disneyland is parents forcing their kids to
go on rides they liked when they were a kid young, Like,

(56:43):
I make my kids go to the Tiki Room every time?
Is it the most Is it one of the most
boring things at Disneyland?

Speaker 8 (56:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (56:50):
But I like the Troo because my dad liked the
teak in.

Speaker 9 (56:54):
Like, my dad, do you like going in the Tiki room.

Speaker 10 (57:00):
Them every time? So without a doubt, you do not.
You do not go to Disney that without going on
the boring old rides.

Speaker 8 (57:06):
This like every time. The historically my kids have been like,
my kids have been like, we want to go to
I Hop I Hop. It's the strangest thing. And I'm like,
why do you want to go? No, we can't go
to I Hop. It's you know, it's eight at night.
We're not going out. And they're like, they'ren with the
idea that something is open twenty for seven. That's all
it is.

Speaker 10 (57:24):
They don't like we lost a.

Speaker 9 (57:25):
Lot of that during COVID, We lost a lot of
twenty four seven operations.

Speaker 8 (57:28):
That's true. Here play the play the you Asked for
a Jack? They put it together, the playground at McDonald's,
the Old School, playground.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
So play some I just wanted a picture.

Speaker 8 (57:37):
Well they got they put together the whole b roll
thing of it.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
That's not the old one. That's the old one.

Speaker 8 (57:42):
That's old. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Yeah, with the with the hamburglar jail.

Speaker 9 (57:46):
Yeah that was like I remember rolling around in that thing.

Speaker 11 (57:51):
Another thing I'll say, one reason some of the stuff
has gone intocline is there's like cooler versions of it,
Like we have that like that Andretti Adventure stuff or
whatever on the fringes of town here, like you can
go to. Yeah, it's like big deluxe go karting and
virtual reality stuff like that stuff is way cooler.

Speaker 8 (58:10):
Yeah, it is actually like.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
It used to be cool actual reality.

Speaker 8 (58:15):
No no, no, these are actual go carts that you're
racing and they're like e carts now, so they're not
even loud and they're go really fast. So we did
one of those. Uh Trampoline parks are also, like I said,
there's a place called Slick City in town that's like
these like a new thing that wasn't around, but you
get on a mat and you go down these really
cool uh slides that's legitimately cooler than what we had. Yeah,

(58:38):
So there is a point I think, I.

Speaker 11 (58:39):
Think people I get why people miss this sort of thing.
It's a lot a lot of us miss things from
our childhood. What I will note is you can tell
this is a somewhat universal thing because I am now
seeing young millennials, old gen z who have nostalgia for
things from the early two thousands that I know were terrible.

Speaker 8 (58:58):
So, but what is nostalgia, that's the question.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
That's I think that's I think it's a natural feeling.

Speaker 9 (59:04):
It's the same thing as the bicentennial versus two fiftieth's.
I think people missing when they were exact dynamic.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
I think in fact, in.

Speaker 11 (59:12):
Fact, and interesting thing is it varies over time too.
I have strong memories of like when I was in
my early twenties, just out of college, I would experience
nostalgia feelings all.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
The time for stuff from my childhood.

Speaker 11 (59:26):
And I think it's like it's probably mingled with maybe
the amount of change that comes from living independently for
the first time.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
You've moved out of home.

Speaker 11 (59:35):
You're experiencing life in a new way for the first time.
It's mildly depressing to do this. You might be homesick
if you've moved across the country. All of this comes
together and this manifested in weird ways. Like I was
collecting Super Nintendo games because I had nostalgia for that
sort of thing. And what I will note is I
don't dislike those things from my childhood, but I don't
have nearly as much nostalgia for them either where because

(59:57):
you know, nostalgia, it's mingled with depression.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
That's what you know.

Speaker 11 (59:59):
We're would say we used to have a country. Everyone's
sad about not having this thing anymore. And I think
that's even what the word itself comes from. It's like
a combination of like memory and sorrow something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
And I just think you actually, as you age, you
do you do age out.

Speaker 11 (01:00:15):
Of these things or you out you hopefully outgrow these things,
and you can love things from your past but also
love things from the present and have have.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
More perspective on stuff. And I say that all because
I could spend.

Speaker 9 (01:00:26):
On that a little bit, because you because you do
also have such a thing as tradition, right, And this
is where like like Lindy Man comes in and the
concept of Lindy that's some things are fads to be sure, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
Like I don't.

Speaker 9 (01:00:38):
I don't have nostalgia for like POGs, you know, or
like alf Or you know, uh was that one that
one showed like the Herman and the and the like
the alien thing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Tiny was into that.

Speaker 9 (01:00:54):
But but there are certain things that do become traditions,
and traditions do become something that you can hand down.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
And you know, baseball, no, no, no, it wasn't alf It
it was a different one.

Speaker 9 (01:01:07):
And so like little League baseball is a huge one
of those where you know, I haven't really been following
baseball for years, but now my kids are into it
and they love playing little League baseball and it's like, oh,
so we're we're a baseball family, you know, all over again.
And they're like begging me to take them the games
and you know, all sorts of things, and it's like that,

(01:01:27):
I don't just have nostalgia for, you know, my memories
of it. It's like that's a tradition that I had,
that my dad had, and now my kids have.

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Speaker 10 (01:02:55):
So, uh, one thing I wanted to bring up was
this commercial. Do we have it ready? Do we have
it now yet? Okay? All right?

Speaker 11 (01:03:06):
And we have other we have other pizza hut well,
and I do want to getzah like we had like
eight you.

Speaker 9 (01:03:13):
Guys, wait, can I can I throw another piece on
this just just to just to talk about that?

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
So so another slice?

Speaker 9 (01:03:19):
Yeah, so another topic maybe, and that if there were
you know, if there wasn't a market for this, people
wouldn't be putting all this money into it. That's for sure.
It's a huge gamble. And you know it's it's it
seems to be popular right now. We will see if
it goes well. I certainly think it will. If there
were other places that people could go to get the
same experience, then they wouldn't be making all of these

(01:03:43):
pizza huts the pizza hut classics again, because that shows
that you know, there isn't an alternative. But also like
when you go to countries in Eastern Europe like Hungary,
like Poland, and even just European airports in general, you
find them to be very very much more family friendly
and family oriented. There's kids stuff everywhere. There's so many

(01:04:06):
outlets for like kids. You need to go to a
nice restaurant in Poland and they have a kid's area
right at the front and they say, hey, drop your
kids off here, mom and dad.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
You can go and sit down like that and have
a nice dinner and will.

Speaker 8 (01:04:18):
That so So. For example, I went from La to
Santa Barbara. La was terrible for kids, just terrible. Santa
Barbara much better, much more kid friendly. And then we
were from Santa Barbara to Phoenix, and I would say
Phoenix is even better. Still. There's tons of kids options
in Phoenix for like all this stuff. You can go
to a gym and they have but did child care.
You can go to a restaurant, but.

Speaker 10 (01:04:38):
Did you have kid options? Like clip forty.

Speaker 8 (01:04:45):
Swim here.

Speaker 11 (01:04:47):
I don't think so here.

Speaker 8 (01:04:53):
I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
To stop me so, but I can cut DZs made
just for me.

Speaker 7 (01:05:03):
The place where I can really cut loose, it's all
here jumping.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
I do think too.

Speaker 10 (01:05:13):
D kids want to be so by the way, hold
on hold, those.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
Places are coming back.

Speaker 9 (01:05:19):
There's a bunch of jeans that are very similar to
Discovery Zone.

Speaker 10 (01:05:23):
Now, Discovery Zone was a kingdom and it was the
only thing that existed, and you got in there and
there was endless tunnel. How long do you th McDonald's
were like small cheaper versions in How.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Long do you think Discovery Zone existed?

Speaker 10 (01:05:36):
Like five years?

Speaker 11 (01:05:37):
Actually it was ten years, but yeah, it was. It
was like it was Also there's a lot of and
a prominent investor was Actually, this is an amazing way
to segue to our next topic, because a prominent investor
was tennis star Billy Jean King, because she is a
feminist icon for her fake tennis match against that one

(01:05:57):
drunk male tennis player that she beat, and it proved
that women could be as good as men if you
ignore the fact that she was the number one tennis
player in the world and the guy was like the
four hundredth best tennis player in the world and was
smoking and drinking and was also basically paid to throw
the match.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
Anyway, was he really? Yeah, And that we.

Speaker 11 (01:06:14):
Had a real match between Venus and Serena Williams and
male tennis player who was actually trying, who was ranked
like two hundredth and he absolutely annihilated them.

Speaker 8 (01:06:24):
Of course, true story.

Speaker 11 (01:06:25):
But anyway, that all brings us in toon Alex Cooper.
So you're gonna have to explain who Alex Cooper is
for those of us who she's a podcaster, She's a provocateur.

Speaker 8 (01:06:35):
She says raunchy things. She has a body count that
would make Ganghis Khan jealous. Whoa she is Alex Cooper,
host of Daddy her Daddy podcast, which, like Kamala Harris, I.

Speaker 10 (01:06:51):
Just want to I just want to correct the record.
I googled it. She allegedly said that her body cans
only eight so not Genghis Khan allegedly.

Speaker 8 (01:07:00):
Yeah, she's pregnant expecting first base Taylor Swift kaplan daddy
is it?

Speaker 11 (01:07:05):
Why are we calling someone's day? Is it her daddy
that worked on her podcast?

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
But what does that mean?

Speaker 11 (01:07:10):
Call her daddy? Do you call someone's dad in the podcast?
Why did she name her podcast car?

Speaker 10 (01:07:16):
She was a She started on YouTube. She had a
really popular YouTube that took off. Dave Portnoy found her
that he basically gave her the opportunity to launch her
podcast career on oh My Gosh on his network, and
they had a falling out, so she had a co

(01:07:37):
host that was on there. They had a huge following
out and she went and launched her own podcast on
her apparently, and she has made a zillion dollars.

Speaker 11 (01:07:49):
It's apparently called call her Daddy because it comes from
the OKAPG thirteen warning here that men will say call
me daddy to assert dominance over women, and it flips
the dynamics. So there's a trans subplot to this. The
idea is that we have to call her the woman
daddy because she is the one in control of her relationships.

Speaker 9 (01:08:09):
Right, So it's so it's it's right there like a
female dominance kind of mindset and and funny enough to
to what Tyler is saying. I think it was the
original co host that came up with the with the
phrasing of that, whereas Alex Cooper wanted it to say
call him daddy. Hmm okay, uh, it's just girl bossing.

Speaker 8 (01:08:32):
So basically, it's like, you know, I think there's like
the the you know, the three headed Horsemen or whatever
to what is it, what's the three Horsemen of the Apocalypse,
So we're gonna talk about We're gonna talk about like
the three Horsemen of the Apocalypse or a four horsemen
though four horsemen there, it's even better because I'm always
struggling to get three four Horsemen of the Apocalypse it's
like wokeism, mass immigration, feminism is definitely on there, and

(01:08:57):
now weve got the Islamification of America. Those are my
four you could have. You could you could substitute one
of those. I feel really strongly about feminism being one
of the truly corrosive elements that exist and are propagated
and celebrated in Western civilization, Western culture, especially in America.
So this is a fun topic for me because I

(01:09:17):
find her particularly galling. But now she's pregnant.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
Yes, she's pregnant and married.

Speaker 8 (01:09:22):
Yeah, so what do we do with that? Do we
celebrate it? Do we? I don't know. I tend to
like I'm listen, A lot of people are like, well,
this is perfect for you know, high status women because
they get to go have their raunchy podcast and lead
everybody austraya and then they get to hold out even
as they get into older years. I don't know how

(01:09:42):
old she is. She in her early thirties, I would
presume something like that. And they get to like have
their cake and eat it too while they let all
their you know, peons astray telling them to girl Boss.
And so some people are upset about this. Some people
are celebrating it. I like to think Charlie would probably
celebrate it because he did that with Taylor Swift. He's like, God,

(01:10:03):
bless you, Taylor. I hope that your marriage to Travis
Kelcey makes you happy and more conservative.

Speaker 11 (01:10:09):
Well so, the reason people are worried about this and
it's getting discussed is that she has definitely she's definitely
pushed this big female empowerment narrative, and I think that
is actually what does make her a little difference from
Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift she was actually kind of even
though she had a large number of famous boyfriends, she
was kind of trad in her orientation. She makes songs about,

(01:10:32):
you know, falling in love forever and wanting to be
with someone forever, and you know, she's always been chasing
that and finally got it, whereas Cooper is, it's often
a run podcast that it's like about it's about sex stuff,
it's about you know, jumping from relationship to relationship. And
the idea is is that she is pulling the successful

(01:10:53):
Houdini act of being allegedly you know, you thought she
had a Genghis Khan like number throughout her twenty and
then she hits she hits thirty, she's thirty one right now,
she hits thirty and then suddenly says, oh, well, I
want to settle down immediately. Does land high Quality know
relatively appealing, attractive husband, has kids, and that this is
going to lead a large number of women astray to

(01:11:16):
think I can copy this same life script and if
you're not carrying a you know, sixty million dollars Spotify deal,
it's less likely to work out for you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
It's a total rug pull.

Speaker 9 (01:11:28):
It's a total rug pull to her audience, the same
way as if she had done like one of those
meme coin scams. Right, she runs this podcast all about,
you know, have free sex and go do whatever, and
let's talk about all the.

Speaker 8 (01:11:41):
Sex she had. Are you calling this the pump and dump?

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
I am. It's a total pump and dump.

Speaker 9 (01:11:46):
It's an Alex Cooper pump and dump where she's come
in and she's she's making money and it's consistently rated,
I think, one of the highest podcasts out there. And
she presented by Sparkling Ice and it's like, you know,
got mainstream you know backing, because we just put we
just put lust and fornication everywhere these days, and yet

(01:12:08):
she doesn't actually do it herself. So she's preaching this
to everybody while also you know, not following the lifestyle
that she is popularizing. And that's why it's a scam.
And that's why I think it's.

Speaker 8 (01:12:20):
Just practice what she preached.

Speaker 10 (01:12:23):
I just want to say, I just want to insert
this call. Her Daddy was ranked the second most popular
podcast in Spotify from twenty one to twenty four.

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
It's pretty big behind Rogan.

Speaker 8 (01:12:32):
Of course, did she or did she not? I don't
follow her. I feel did she? Did she say like,
you can only get married if the guy submits to you,
and is it a nine or a ten or above
and has his own career? And so I'm just asking
the question, did she rug pulled? Did she pump and dump?
Or is this like well so and.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
This here's the thought crime.

Speaker 9 (01:12:53):
Here's the thought crime, right, And I saw some people
I forget the original post was when we were chatting
about it, American find it. But the original one was
saying that here's the issue is that this advice works
if you are a nine or a ten, but if
you're like a five or a six, if you're a mid,
then this is actually like the worst possible advice for you,

(01:13:15):
and you're just leading all these people astray. And here
they are listening to your podcast thinking that it's going
to work. But those are the ones who are going
to find themselves hitting you know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
Mid thirties to late thirties to forties.

Speaker 9 (01:13:28):
Saying hey, wait a minute, you know, why isn't anyone
calling me daddy? And suddenly the guys in their peer
you know, you know, her age range, are all going
to be going for zoomers. They're going to be dating
girls that are like in their twenties because they're not interested.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
So it doesn't actually work.

Speaker 9 (01:13:45):
And yes, actually, like we were talking about, you know,
male status earlier, female status does exist.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
Pretty privilege is real. It's just real. And that is
the thought crying ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 8 (01:13:58):
So I'm looking it up Jack, it says, so, I
just asked AI's and it says yes. Alex Cooper has
frequently downplayed or expressed ambivalence about marriage and children in
the past, particularly in her twenties and early podcast years,
heavily well heavily promoting hookup culture, casual sex, and prioritizing
career fun over traditional milestones.

Speaker 11 (01:14:18):
Well I'm gonna want I'm gonna want citations though, because.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
They haven't right Geno magazine.

Speaker 9 (01:14:24):
Jena Florio had the original one, by the way, her
Instagram her tictafo.

Speaker 10 (01:14:28):
She she she commonly said online that she would never
get married. So part of the reason why people have
lost their minds on this is she had said numerous
times that she would never get married and then now
feels yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:14:44):
She said she couldn't fathom motherhood in her twenties. This
is this is what Jack's point might maybe is like
more hinging on. She said her podcast built a brand
around uh, sexually explicit content, advice like use him before
he uses you, don't catch feelings, embracing casual hookups, and
viewing relationship as a chaotic roller coaster quote unquote without

(01:15:07):
long term commitments. This resonated with and influenced many young
female listeners in their teens and twenties. Then she talked
about shifting views later yeah, for example, developing baby fever
in recent years after meeting her husband, Matt Kaplan, and
episodes where she discuss discusses timelines for marriage and kids

(01:15:28):
with him, but early content leading heavily into anti settling
down vibes. So they got married in twenty twenty four
around age twenty nine or thirty, can't decide, and recently
announced their first pregnancy as of May.

Speaker 11 (01:15:41):
Yeah, I really don't think this is a rug pull.
I think this is actually the peak of feminist propaganda,
radical femas propaganda, because it's totally that it's always her
maximum autonomy. She can be against it in her twenties,
and then she can just change her mind later in
her life and she's able to again pull the Houdini
act of gets married, has kids and can pivot in

(01:16:04):
her life trajectory and in real life as we know,
because I mean Charlie talked about this all the time
going on campus in real life. For a lot of people,
if you want to get married, especially as a woman,
it has to be a priority early on. You have
to build and take steps towards that right away. And
if you think I'm going to build my career until
my early thirties and then start focusing on this, there's

(01:16:26):
example after example where it's gone really badly.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
They've been unable to find someone.

Speaker 9 (01:16:32):
Yeah, exactly, Charlie too late the line it was a
you know you shouldn't you more more, women should shouldn't
be pursuing their PhD.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
They should be pursuing their mrs.

Speaker 8 (01:16:43):
He was a big, big believer in the MRS degree.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
The MRS degree.

Speaker 8 (01:16:47):
Yeah, yeah, such a good line, you know, speaking of
which that is interesting because there is a stat that
says that sixty two percent of all degrees now are
going to women.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
Uh which sixty two percent percent two thirds?

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Speaker 11 (01:19:22):
Before we jump into this, we got two donation messages
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said Christian families need to be having lots of children
and teaching them the values and blessings of the Bible.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
That is how we combat these insanities. And zu Zu
chimed in again and she.

Speaker 11 (01:19:36):
Said Alex Cooper should bring her husband and kids to
Pizza Hut.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
Well, here exactly, that.

Speaker 10 (01:19:41):
Is a good point, zu Zoo. I'm gonna say I
say this. The most famous marriages, like people who are famous,
they're largely business relationships. And again, I know a lot
of people say that whatever, Like people have made that
And I'm not saying that I don't hope that she's
not in love and that she doesn't have kids and

(01:20:02):
like yeah, slows down and like wants to just like
spend time with their kids and all that. I hope
that that's the case with Alex Cooper. The reality is
that I actually feel bad for a lot of these
famous couples because their kids usually take the brunt of it.
And this is why I think a lot of kids
like that come from famous couples end up so screwed up.
And you'll see this, some famous people will take a

(01:20:24):
step back from the spotlight and they'll raise their kids,
and they'll stop and they'll slow down, and they'll like
focus on you know, motherhood or fatherhood or whatever. Right,
sometimes that's not the case. I just don't know. I mean,
we'll see, like what happens with Alex Cooper. But I
think the point is is, like she's not living on
the same planet that most of us are.

Speaker 8 (01:20:44):
So Jack's point is I think pretty well made where
he said this script, this life script will work for
nines and tens, maybe sevens and eighths too, But if
you are maybe not so attractive, and you get into
your thirties and you're not so rich and successful. I
don't think you have nearly as many options as Alex Cooper.
And so she is selling a bad vision of a

(01:21:05):
reality of what's lived, reality and experience. But the upside here,
if we're like my glass can be half full, I
can be honest about the fact that I think this
is a terrible life script to sell to young women.
But she's got this huge audience by you know, being
authentic and being raunchy and being real and saying it
out loud, saying it like it really is or whatever. Well,

(01:21:26):
they're also hearing her go through this evolution of getting
baby fever getting married, and so she you know, the
upshot is maybe she's got millions of fans that are like, oh,
now I want to get married too, So okay, all right,
hopefully they can skip the premarital sex stuff. I agree
with our our listener that was like, we need Christians
need to have lots of babies. Completely agree with that.
We're going to outbreed them folks. That's that's part of

(01:21:48):
the strategy. So I've played this, but I played this
clip before to tie in this sixty two percent of
all degrees. But I think it's so important. This is
Rachel Wilson, a cult feminism author, and she's talking about
why women are so unhappy. So keep in mind, now
sixty two percent of all college degrees are going to women,

(01:22:08):
and now think about why they're unhappy. Cut forty one and.

Speaker 7 (01:22:13):
Women just overall reporting dissatisfaction on happiness, a feeling of
being really torn, trying to have it all, trying to
have a career and be a career woman and also
have a family and do all of that. Women don't
know what to do with relationships because on the one hand,
they want men who make more than they do. They

(01:22:33):
want men who are higher achieving than they are. Yet
this creates a paradox whereas women have become the number
one earners of college degrees, they have now got salaries
that compete with men, and they've got more equality than
ever before, they're finding that the men are not suitable
to marry. They're finding that they just can't find a

(01:22:55):
guy who's on their level or higher, which is what
they really want.

Speaker 8 (01:22:59):
So now, thing back to the baby boom, where you
have the GI bill and the status of men from earnings,
college degrees and all these things. Job opportunities was here
and women were down here, and you had this huge
baby boom as a result. Now that script is flipped
and we have a fertility crisis. We're losing our freaking
playgrounds at McDonald's. We got we got all kinds of

(01:23:19):
societal problems. The men and the women do. They don't
like each other. The expectations of the relationships are off.
You talk to any of our turning point kids, by
the way, it's that number one thing they'll talk to
you about. Dating sucks. It's awful. You got a few
that have found somebody or whatever. But it's like things
are out of whack. And I think I love that
Rachel Wilson clip because she talks about this this driving

(01:23:41):
force of feminism. We want a quality now. Okay, you
got it. You got beyond equality. You got sixty two
percent of all the college degrees, and you're unhappier than
you've ever been. Maybe people like Alex Cooper need to
rethink the script that they're selling, That's all I'd say.

Speaker 9 (01:23:55):
Maybe maybe our traditions have been traditions that have been
handed down from generation on generation for a reason. Maybe
there's a reason that all of civilization was built certain ways,
and successful civilizations have maintained those traditions, and maybe we
shouldn't screw around with them.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
I mean, you go to bring a.

Speaker 9 (01:24:14):
Full circle, Like you look at where the society was
in the nineteen seventies and nineteen seventy six, and I
think we can all look at that and say, you know,
that just looks like a better time.

Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
Just it just looks like a better time.

Speaker 8 (01:24:29):
Well, Jack, I have to say it. I have to
say it because the Bible says it, you know, say
not why were the former days better than these? For
it's not from wisdom that you asked this, but I
would agree there's certain parts about its No.

Speaker 9 (01:24:42):
But that's what I'm saying is is I don't you know,
I'm not some curmudget who just sits there and says, oh,
you know, oh the past was better. I look at
those things and I say, hey, can we bring any
of this forward? What can we do to make our
material conditions today better? To make the streets better?

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
And and I just bought breck freaking pizza hut.

Speaker 8 (01:25:02):
Okay, yeah, you did a good thing, you know what,
I miss, Jack? I missed the monoculture, Like, like, we're
all old enough to remember America that had a monoculture,
and it was it was cool. It was great to
note that, Like it didn't matter who I was walking
down on the street that they were going to be doing.
They were going to be watching the same shows and
reacting to the same news. There's benefits of having bifurcated

(01:25:25):
culture or you know, siloed cultures. You get maybe more
it's maybe more individually satisfying. But there's something beautiful about
having a culture that's all singing from the same hymnal
if you would like. For example, Matt Walsh made this
point and I thought it was spot on. There. I'm
watching a show that he happens to be watching. So
I read the tweet and it was about Widow's Bay,
which is on Apple's It's excellent. It's so good. It's

(01:25:52):
so funny and it's like actually scary. It's like a
comedy horror, and but like a show that good deserves
to be like monoculture good, but it's not. It's probably
got like one thirtieth of the culture. Wise.

Speaker 11 (01:26:05):
I'll bring it up though, how many shows from monoculture
for television. Do people still watch how many shows from
when we still had a monoculture? Do people still.

Speaker 8 (01:26:15):
Watch Seinfeld still?

Speaker 5 (01:26:17):
Seinfeld is from the nineties.

Speaker 11 (01:26:18):
Actually that's when the actually but then culture was but
Blade the blake.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Those shows are consistent compared to wait wait, wait minute,
but I can answer this question.

Speaker 9 (01:26:28):
Those shows are consistently like the number one shows on
streaming Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
I think we were talking about this at one point.

Speaker 9 (01:26:34):
That like Friends reruns when they go up on Netflix
or you know what, we're all super popular.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
Friends was terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
It's literally like number one every single time.

Speaker 11 (01:26:43):
Friends is not funny, Okay, it is a good thing that.

Speaker 9 (01:26:48):
The monoculture Friends in any way, I'm not a Friends guy.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
Seinfeld is good. Seinfeld is a good show.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
But it is extremely popular. I think people, including.

Speaker 11 (01:26:59):
Internationally people are say they're depressed that the monoculture went away.

Speaker 8 (01:27:02):
But again, I'm depressed. I just missed it all.

Speaker 11 (01:27:04):
I think personally, I think it's actually pretty good that
there's a wider variety of cultural material that is available
and you can still if you want to get a
community people that's into it, you can still find these things.
You can find them online for starters and yeah, do
you lose the fact that you can't go into work
and say, hey, what did you guys think of TV

(01:27:26):
show number seven last night? And everyone's like, I love
TV show number seven. So personally I like that I
don't have to watch TV show number seven necessarily.

Speaker 8 (01:27:35):
Okay, I think I think these things could be matters
of degrees. I think monoculture is probably if I had
to just approximate seventy percent, good thirty percent. And maybe
it's better that you have and like you're pointing out
you're being contrarian here, but it's like, I still think
it's better for culture to all be sharing, have have

(01:27:55):
shared experiences because it brings us together in small ways
that are important. Right. So the last sort of cultural
moment that we have altogether is a super Bowl. Right
when people talk about this, that's a valuable thing. I
don't know, I just it makes America feel like America.

Speaker 9 (01:28:12):
I think if my neighbor feels and Andrew, I think,
if you were back, it's them screwing around with the
super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
That led us to be able to do.

Speaker 8 (01:28:21):
But I'm this, I will be the first to say
that I don't want that, but I actually would prefer
they don't screw it up because I wanted it.

Speaker 11 (01:28:29):
Do you think America had more of a monoculture that
was our goal? Do you think America more of a
monoculture back in nineteen ninety or in nineteen thirty.

Speaker 8 (01:28:41):
I would think nineteen ninety probably definitely.

Speaker 11 (01:28:43):
So, like what I would say is if you went back,
if you went back fifty years, the complaint from conservatives
like us would be about the loss of any regional
identity in the United States. We've lost regional accents. I
like regional culture. It used to be country music, for example,
totally a regional I could see this point.

Speaker 8 (01:28:59):
I told I wasn't thinking about it like that, and
I actually totally agree with it. I would say, okay,
so from nineteen thirties, right, we had more regional culture,
and there was also like a huge ethnic boom of
immigration that we were absorbing stuff. And then it stopped
the Great Depression through the end of World War two.
Basically okay, so you had about fifteen years of it

(01:29:22):
was just like zero immigrations.

Speaker 11 (01:29:23):
The Great Depression, like nineteen thirty to nineteen thirty to
nineteen eighty ninety or so is probably the peak in
world history for creating national monocultures because you're able to
have mass communication, but it's still resource intensity to generate those.

Speaker 8 (01:29:41):
So you have world though, because we're like a lot
of this media driven. Yeah, I was gonna say we're
getting the worst of both worlds though, because we're eroding
regional culture because as you said earlier, Indians in you know,
outside of Dallas are still watching, like, you know, India
play the music, Yeah, excited, play cue the music. They're

(01:30:02):
still watching the content from their home country, right, But
so they're not really Texas. You don't get the charm
of a text in their you know, their brisket. You're
getting like you're getting something totally different. Nor are they
a part of a monoculture, So nor can I share
something national with them. It's all it's all foo bar
at that point. So I mean, the point is I'd

(01:30:24):
rather have a monoculture that we can all share at
least in this day and age, as opposed to just
bifurcated where regions don't even matter.

Speaker 9 (01:30:33):
So Marshall mcclewan, if you read any of his stuff,
he just just like totally in the nineteen sixties called
all of this and you know, he pointed out how
you the rise of television, to Blake's point, you know,
led to the loss.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
Of regional culture.

Speaker 9 (01:30:49):
But then he also predicted that as information became more
democratized and that the the sort of like the mechanisms
by which we create media would become easier and cheaper
to you know, the the the methods of production as
it were, means of production as it were, that we

(01:31:10):
would become bifurcated, and you know, that monoculture will be
smashed apart again. And so what we're seeing now is
we rather than have regional identity, so we have regional identity,
which still exists and you see a lot with sports.

Speaker 4 (01:31:22):
Teams more than anything else.

Speaker 9 (01:31:24):
Then we also have our general monoculture, which has taken
the biggest hit. And that's why we have the loss
of the national pride of being an American that we're
currently fighting to get back right, to get back to
that bi sentennialisms, which also coincided with the probably the
peak of that monoculture, or you know, at least proceeding

(01:31:45):
to that peak of the nineteen nineties, and then with
the rise of the Internet, and now now we are
subdividing yet again. But we're not subdividing by region. We're
subdividing also by sort of.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
Like Internet identity.

Speaker 9 (01:31:59):
So it's like it's like you're you're getting into these
trans identity that's why identify as or identify as this
crazy group that I found on TikTok and then I
go into the discord chat and nowt feminist identity and
we got feminism.

Speaker 8 (01:32:14):
So you know, uh so Angela saying we should rap
because we we we've gone over time. But this has
been a really fun conversation. Lots to think about, but
I'll put it to the to you guys the crew.
Do we want to wrap on a c K clip
talking about how feminism has failed women? Or do we
want to wrap on a Pizza Hut clip?

Speaker 5 (01:32:31):
Do we have a Charlie clip talking about pizza Hut?

Speaker 11 (01:32:34):
Charlie wasn't he said, Charlie wasn't allowed to eat pizza,
so he would un he's a kid.

Speaker 5 (01:32:39):
Well no, I'm just saying he wouldn't eat it today.

Speaker 11 (01:32:41):
He would just say that pizza was really unhealthy, and
he would probably say everyone should just eat ground beef
and let uscuse.

Speaker 9 (01:32:47):
Me, it's geez, it's bread it's meat. I mean, it's
like all the food groups right there.

Speaker 5 (01:32:52):
Bread. She think Charlie's gonna eat bread. Let's go out
on a week So.

Speaker 8 (01:32:57):
This is that. Remember, yeah, go out on Charlie. Sixty
two percent of all degrees going to women, and they're
in a happier than they've ever been. And Charlie understood
this until next Thursday. Keep committing thought crimes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Feminism is the glaring thing in front of us where
we have fertility rates down, we have marriage rates down,
we have unhappiness up. And we did something in the
nineteen sixties out of the universities of Brettyfordan and Glory
Stein and and all these feminists that basically said you're
trapped in a home, go get a job, freezer eggs,
take birth control, and all of a sudden, women are
way unhappier than they were forty years ago. And I

(01:33:30):
just have to ask the question, why is that?

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
Is it working?

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
And maybe there are biological differences between men and women
that we should respect, and that deep down a lot
of women want to get married and have children. In fact,
we should applaud it and we should support it, and
we should say it means nothing if you're going to
be a CEUO of some shoe company or be some
banker in London. What matters if you raise children and
you have something to pass down long after you're gone.

Speaker 5 (01:33:57):
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