THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 129 — Spanking Your Kids? The Death of Reading? Star Wars Boycott? - The Charlie Kirk Show

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Speaker 3 (01:17):
Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Welcome to this week's edition of thought Crime Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
We are here.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
It is an audacious week, an auspicious week. I am
in a button down, but I am not in a
jacket nor as is tradition now and comments that it
looked like you were in a jacket last week and

(01:45):
today benefited the doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
It looked like a windbreaker.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
No jack.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
Jack Andrews showed up for this show just a few
minutes ago with no shirt on and only a jacket.

Speaker 6 (01:53):
That's not true.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
That's and we were like.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Whoa dude, you got this totally wrong, this kind of
thing you're suppose us to wearing no jacket and a shirt.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
He got it backwards. He was wearing no shirt in
his jacket.

Speaker 7 (02:05):
Used I'm dyslexic, he got backwards. I did come in
with a jacket. So here's the thing. So I don't
wear jackets very often. And it's funny because I think
people just assume I do because the show. But I
come to work and I have an outfit on, and
I don't have a second outfit. I don't have like
a wardrobe. I'm not like some diva that has like

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a multiple wardrobes.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
I'll never forget it, so.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
You just deliberately always bring it in here to fly.

Speaker 7 (02:31):
I get cold because they keep this place like a
freaking ice box because all the studio equipment.

Speaker 6 (02:36):
Anyways, So yeah, I'm in my T shirt. This is
this is what I do. It's you look like.

Speaker 7 (02:42):
You got the Swingers the nineteen fifties golf shirt or something.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
This is this is just a nice specific sellwear shirt
that was on sale.

Speaker 6 (02:52):
There you go.

Speaker 7 (02:53):
I try my best, but you know it's funny when
I think you go ahead, Jack, Are you.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Seeing what the White House just did?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
No, they just announced the existence of aliens.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Oh I'm sure all right if they say so?

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Can we can we pull this up white House dot
gov slash aliens.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah that's been that's been live for a while. Yeah,
just they just sent it.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
They walk the walk among Us? Yeah, okay, wow, you
guys seeing this.

Speaker 8 (03:23):
The US government has kept a closely guarded secret that
you can tell is definitely real based on this obnoxious
website they've made aliens. Oh, this is gonna be about
illegal aliens is.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Going to be walking among us in our neighborhoods.

Speaker 9 (03:39):
They've shopped the daily lives, They've the same classes, and
they live seemingly normal human existences with one exception they
do not belong here.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Oh oh that was clever. That was clever.

Speaker 7 (03:55):
I like that millions arrived under the cover of darkness
and embedded themselves to at our society. Truth is no
counts right here. Officials knew exactly what was happening.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Three million encounters.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I wanted to know how many.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
I want to know how many real aliens are also
on governmentized.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Wait scroll down, there's like a what is it alien
arrest map live?

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Oh wow, this is actually cool.

Speaker 8 (04:25):
Okay, this is taking away too long to load. I
don't have time to read all of this.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
But speaking of.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Aliens text, there's a live map, so you scroll down
and there's a live map of like arrests. Uh oh,
I love this that have taken place and you can
zoom in anywhere in the country.

Speaker 7 (04:44):
Look at Texas. It's like pure red in Florida based man.

Speaker 8 (04:50):
You know, Speaking speaking of aliens, we have to shout
out most of thought crimes listeners for holding a line
and not going to the new Star Wars movie. Mandalorian
and Grogu which grossed to mirror about one hundred million
dollars in its first weekend, which in modern time Star.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
Wars movie, and it did the same as Solo.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, but it's been about a decade.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
No, but you have to change to inflation.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
Seven years? Uh, seven years?

Speaker 7 (05:18):
Whoa the solo was that nineteen? I think so solo?
But it was the first first release in seven years.

Speaker 8 (05:27):
First, yeah, first theatricales of anything. It barely made a
hundred million, which.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Like half, it's like half the debut of Star Wars.

Speaker 8 (05:34):
Episode three when you adjust for inflation and everything else.
But even if most of our viewers weren't holding the line,
it seems like there were a lot of defectors.

Speaker 6 (05:44):
In our own studio.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Hold on, hold on, let's let's let's let's at least
let's at least take a second to say that congratulate
and appreciate those who actually went along with the assignment
of boycotting this because Mark Hamill called for Donald Trump
to be killed and of course, by extension all conservatives.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
This of course led to a you know, we.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Saw something happen where a Star Wars super fan apparently
beat to death a Trump the guy who ran a
Trump house in San Diego.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
So I mean this was I'm gonna play both sides.
You didn't see I No, I did see that.

Speaker 8 (06:23):
I did see that guy at a Trump house and
a guy, a guy in a literal Star Wars shirt
brutally like beat him to death, eat him.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
To death on the street.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
Was he like inspired by Mark Hamill?

Speaker 8 (06:34):
I don't think he's inspired by Mark Hamill, but he
was probably inspired by being a Star Wars fan.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
He's probably inspired by. I mean, it's it's.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Pretty pretty one to one, like Mark Hamill says, go
kill Trump, and he goes and finds like a guy
who runs a Trump house and beats him to death.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Look, I'm gonna play both sides of this debate. I
did live by the commitment to not go see it,
and and that was a tough commitment to keep because
I am actually.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I like Star Wars and I actually.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Think so that Jack's totally wrong about Star Wars in general,
and his hatred for Star Wars is terrible and it's
anti American and so many different things.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
But here here's what I will say. No, I mean,
I'm just against finish.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Hey, So I live by it. I didn't go see
Mandalorian and Grogu. But I'm going to defend Andrew because
I'm going to defend Andrew for doing this and breaking
the creed because because there's only so much time you
have with your kids, and if that's your time that
you have was this last week, you know, I don't

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think it's up to Hollywood or Jack Pisobic to dictate
when you can use your free time with your children.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
So that's what we have to announce everyone.

Speaker 8 (07:52):
Andrew the Mandalorian, he he went to like the special
sit down dine in theater.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
He says he was telling us it might be his
favorite movie ever made.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
That is not true.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Are you sure?

Speaker 6 (08:07):
I don't know what did you eat?

Speaker 1 (08:11):
What did you eat?

Speaker 6 (08:11):
I had a burger?

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Okay? Which wait? Which dining movie theater?

Speaker 6 (08:15):
Was it?

Speaker 5 (08:16):
No?

Speaker 6 (08:16):
Free it would just be will be vague. But it
was Central Phoenix.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
There so here Central Phoenix. You went to the bluest
part of the state too.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
I mean, it is what it is.

Speaker 8 (08:28):
We went to the bluest part of the state to
view basically Republicans.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
How did you feel during the scene or the Mandalorian?

Speaker 8 (08:37):
How did you feel about the scene where the Mandalorian
turns to the camera and he says, we need to
work together to win back the White House.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
In twenty twenty eight, this is Maga Country.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, yeah, I like the bad guy that.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
I will say this, the Mandalorian and Grogu made a
huge mistake and I don't really understand why they made
this mistake.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
I don't like the graphic of the title.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
So in recent in recent years.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
The Star Wars, the only thing that's really been successful
in the Star Wars play has been them reintroducing hating
Christiansen into the into like different parts of the IP
and people love that because he was hated and now.

Speaker 7 (09:16):
He's like loved, but now he's loved. He was the
worst actor.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
Now, like reintroducing Darth Vader and stuff into stuff has
been has been like super super successful. And and again
I'm gonna I'm gonna use the Spider Man. When they teased,
like intentionally made it, try to make it secret that
they were going to do the multiverse thing and all
the two previous Spider Men were going to show up
in the movie, and then it got leaked and all

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that it like hyped up the movie so much that
like so many like you had to go see even
if you were Jack, you would have and you were
anti that you would have had to go see it
and be part of that. There was no hype for
this movie, so there was nothing exciting. There was no
like special think they got leaked, There was nothing. It
was just like the this is just like an extended
episode of The Mandalorian.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
Yeah, so let me explain what happened.

Speaker 7 (10:04):
So my and I don't even feel like defending myself
that much because I had a great time with my
son and it was awesome, and so like, you know,
come at me. My son had a birthday, he turned six,
and he got We had a little party for him.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
He got presents.

Speaker 7 (10:20):
Some of those presents people got him expecting him to
like the Mandalorian because that's just what people presume. So
he gets called Mandalorian figurine that he freaking loves. He
won't leave this sing alone. He takes it all over
the house. When he's out in the yard, he's got
it in his hand. So he starts like inventing all
this stuff about Mandalorian. He finds out there's a movie

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coming out, and he's like, can we go, please, please,
please please, and so anyways, I show him like the
trailer and he's freaking out. So they begged me all
Memorial Day weekend to take them to the movie. I
find a little pocket a time, and I was like,
you know what I'm gonna take.

Speaker 6 (10:58):
I'm gonna take my son and my daughter to go
see the Mandalorian.

Speaker 7 (11:01):
He was sitting so the din in theaters to have
these big seats you can like recline or whatever.

Speaker 6 (11:07):
He's at.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
He's at the front edge of his seat the whole time,
and he's like he's like swinging his arms like get him,
get him, have.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
It a blast.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
I loved every minute of it with my son, and
so it's great.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
I mean, that's Jackson Household the Children.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
You know.

Speaker 7 (11:23):
I think you asked me if the movie was any good.
Jack was like, I honestly couldn't tell you if it
was that good. My son loved it and I had
so much fun watching time.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Let me defend jack'son hypocrite, and you know why because
he totally yeah, he totally.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Took his kids to Disney Did I think it did?
Was Disney World? This is fake. He's totally got us
for a long time.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Tyler, No, that was.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
The Disney boycott that was prior to the Disney boycott,
and Tanya posted the picture late.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Hey Jack, I remember Jack, Jack, Sanya.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Put us to the picture late after the Disney boycott began.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
There's only one person. There's only like five.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
There's only like five people in America who lead boycott's
and you're one of them. So you're saying you you
didn't have the gumption to lead the boycott and then
took your kids to Disney World.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
No boycott. This is a pre boycott. You took your
family to Disney World and then the boycott. This is
like it was a pre boycott photo. This is like
insider this will Disney.

Speaker 10 (12:28):
This is basically inside boycott is now the guy who
runs boycotts took his family to Disney World and then
led the boycott after it was that he was going
to boycott's and the and then just the ruven and
all our faces post the.

Speaker 11 (12:41):
Pictures like this, which is really which is hilarious because
this is from like what four or five years ago
where there was this.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Whole media like freak out on me because of this
because I was like leading a Disney boycott over.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Gosh, I'm crazy.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, one of like the LGBT they were doing, but
it was like the first one and I called for
Disney boycott. But then Tanya, of course, like not paying
attention to what I'm doing on Twitter, decides to post
our Disney photos from like a month before, like at
the same time. So they're like, what so because at Disney,

(13:27):
I call it a boycott at Disney.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Actually, funny enough, I can remember.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
I think I remember the actual day we were there
because it was like, randomly enough, it was the day
that the Ukraine War started in twenty twenty two, so
I think I think that's like the very day that
we went there. It was like that day or the
day after was was when we were there, and I
remember noticing that like everybody's still at Disney, and like
nobody's yeah, everybody seems to be.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Really thought Jack.

Speaker 8 (14:00):
So the woman his situation, child power, you got a
stern conversation.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Children run his household.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
It's very clear, Listen, I had a great time with myself.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Children of so by the way, my kids, my kids
know how to make fun of the kids who like
Star Wars, like we mock them in our household, We
ride them, we talk about how inferior they are.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
We talk about how their parents don't.

Speaker 8 (14:27):
Have to talk about the Star Wars stuff before the boycott.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
My kids do that with Lord of the Ring.

Speaker 7 (14:33):
I see, I never ascribed to the boycott. First of all,
I don't think I was on that episode of Dot Crime,
and I was not. I was so I I listen.
Here's the other thing I would say. This has been
a ten plus year long John Favreau uh directed this,
and I thought he did a pretty good for the Mandalorian.
And it's not like woosy stuff. He's like a masculine

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director who actually understands.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Really like, can we show the picture of Pedro Pascal
when he was on Stephen Colbert?

Speaker 1 (15:00):
I mean Mascal drug. We should show a picture of John.

Speaker 8 (15:01):
I always want to say it Farvo because it's spelled
exactly like swingers.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
Baby, Come on, swing baby.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I don't I've never heard of this movie, actually, but
I've always said swings.

Speaker 6 (15:12):
You've never heard of Swingers?

Speaker 1 (15:13):
No? What?

Speaker 6 (15:15):
Well, first you've heard of Swingers?

Speaker 8 (15:16):
Okay, well you're mad. I haven't heard of this movie
that grows six watching power.

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Speaker 6 (16:28):
Anyways, well, anyway, I've.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Never heard of this. Anyway.

Speaker 8 (16:31):
I actually also saw Star Wars, but not the Mandalorian.
I saw the Return of the Jedi at the Phoenix
Symphony Orchestra with a live symphony, which I will say excellent.
I will say I went on Friday night this time.
I'd gone to the prior to original movies on Saturday

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and Sunday, and you could definitely tell there was a
different crowd at the opening performance of this.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
It was a slightly wait what did you see?

Speaker 8 (17:00):
Definitely saw more people in costumes. The funniest thing I
saw there was a woman with her.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
Jack wants to know what you're what you're talking about
right now?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (17:06):
I saw, I saw a return of the Jedi. And no,
you said, but you saw other original movies? What what original?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
So?

Speaker 1 (17:12):
No original?

Speaker 10 (17:13):
This?

Speaker 1 (17:13):
So I saw Empire strikes Back and a new hope
they've done each of.

Speaker 7 (17:16):
The is like almost impossible to find the original original.

Speaker 8 (17:22):
Oh yeah, and that was part of it. And yes
this one had that. I had the terrible Yeah, I
had the terrible pop star that's.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Singing, you know, I hate that. Yeah, they kept that.

Speaker 8 (17:32):
It was unfortunately the full George Lucas but make money off.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
True story, true story because I don't know why they
Why don't they fix that now?

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Because CG is so much better. Now, It's like, why
can't they just make that better?

Speaker 8 (17:44):
Now, let's just not let's just undo all this, undo
all of this. But since it was opening night, there
were more people in costumes, more people in strange T shirts,
more people who were of various spherical death star shapes.
I saw a mom of her daughter, and I'm not
making this up. She was basically in blackface because she

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was dressed. She was costplaying as an Ewok, and so
she had the Ewok hat, which is kind of orange
that the wicket is the name of the e Wok character.
But then she she painted her whole face dark brown,
and it was basically, yeah, it was yeah, it was
basically it was basically blackface. And I got a big
kick out of it. I don't think it was offended.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
So I apologize Jack, but worth it. So it's how
I didn't get him a bud light or something.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna say right now, I'm gonna
go watch the movie with my kids.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
But I it's.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Literally it's literally the bud Light of movies.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
I know, but this is this is the thing is
like I've heard it's terrible. Actually it's no, I've heard
it's like.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Why see Michael. But here's the the Favreau the argument.
I'm just kidding. I saw Michael. I saw Michael take
the one who was falsely accused. My take on my
on the mic.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
I still don't know what I think about that, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
My uh.

Speaker 8 (19:05):
My.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
My take on on the Michael movie was that wasn't
as good as everyone said it was, but that it.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Was well made. It was well made, but I thought
I thought so.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
But anyways, going back, I still think with the Favrea thing,
like he was like executive producer, I think I'm like
like a ton of Marvel like good movies that like
every single one of those movies had like a major
hook into it that had like like it was just
chock full of what do they call them when it's

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like a.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Like a.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
Just like a special thing that happens and like that
people that's unexpected what they call it whist Now Ah,
I'm scared they had a bunch of a bunch of
things in it and that this movie has none of that.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
It's just very like straightforward. It's like an action straightforward.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
There's nothing that's like the Star Wars cinematic the universe
that Star Wars is in has so many different things
in it now that it's actually criminal to me to
not have any like secret things that pop up in
it that aren't That's why there was like no Easter
eggs in this movie.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
Yeah, well I would tell you that.

Speaker 7 (20:23):
You know, me and Foz were having this conversation because
it's like a lot of people like to crap on
the movie it's not good or whatever.

Speaker 6 (20:29):
It's like, well, okay, but imagine kids.

Speaker 7 (20:32):
It's a movie that kids would really get into, and
I had so much fun with my kids, so I
appreciate it for that. I'm not like gonna do the
full movie critic thing on it. I don't you know,
it's an action film in the Star Wars universe, and test,
I know, how about we do this? Is it gonna
break even? That's a question, Jack that you might appreciate.

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It probably still was successful. So here's a quick clip
of Matt Damon discussing I think it is actually how
much a movie needs to make clip thirteen or clip three, sorry,
clip three.

Speaker 12 (21:06):
To publicize, Like you're trying to get everybody spending about
what the budget was to make it to advertise because
you have fifty percent of the theatre because.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
You split it with the movie house. Right through the exhibit.

Speaker 12 (21:16):
Twenty five million dollar movie to break even, gotta make
a hundred million dollars.

Speaker 8 (21:19):
So that movie, that movie Mandalorian, costs about one hundred
and eighty million dollars. To say that would mean, wait,
that costs one hundred and eighty million dollars to make
that movie.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
But and it's you have to double that because of
pan six.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
That's why, that's why it's four times three.

Speaker 7 (21:34):
Sixty, which means you need to you need to make
three sixty times.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Two seven hundred and twenty million dollars to break even.
Seven don't think this is.

Speaker 8 (21:43):
Gonna make seven hundred and twenty million dollars unless China
just goes gaga for Baby Yoda.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Which is it three sixty times two or is it
to break even?

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Or is it three six? We were taking three sixty
times too, because one.

Speaker 7 (21:56):
With the movie houses. So if you bring in seven
hundred and because even for the million, you take half
of that as profit. The movie houses take the other half.
So if you're gonna break even, you need that much.
So I mean, and there's no like DVD sales.

Speaker 8 (22:13):
Anymore there's no DVD, there's no television, right, so you
could put them on streaming platforms, but that's not.

Speaker 7 (22:18):
You could get it off of merch, like a lot
of Mandaloris Baby Baby.

Speaker 8 (22:22):
But do they do they get new merch shot of this? Really,
they already had Baby Yoda came out.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
That's what I'm saying. The merch already existed for this, but.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
It would it would. It doesn't have to be new
merch has to be new sales.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, but think about think about my son.

Speaker 7 (22:35):
Got an action figure for his birthday party because somebody
bought it.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Listen, listen, I could.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
See my, my, my, my people in in my our
area know not to bring that crap into my household.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
I could be better than a favor at this than
he is right now. Like, think about if they would
have introduced another another Baby Yoda or a child.

Speaker 6 (22:59):
Did you know grou is not Baby Yoda.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
No, I know it's not, but we call him. I
really don't care. I don't know the lawd I just
don't care.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
No, But but imagine a sibling to Baby Yoda. Like,
think about think about when Guardians of the Galaxy came
out and they cut down group and then he turned
into Baby Group and it was a regular group and
there was.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Baby Group.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
Characters in the story.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
How do you run a billion dollar, multi billion dollar
franchise and nobody thinks about the merch and like they
produced no, Like your point is a really good point.
It's like they produced nothing in this movie that could
be its own merch. When Baby Yoda was introduced in
the Mandalorian that produced like the biggest boom and merch Star.

Speaker 7 (23:45):
Wars was kind of cool? Was that job of the huts?
Like what, I don't know, It's like his son is
in this and he's like he's like a he's like
a gladiator.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
No one's buying job. It's just really stupid.

Speaker 6 (23:59):
Yeah, it was like it was kind of stupid. Let's
take a character.

Speaker 8 (24:02):
Who's famously a slug that just sits there and is
like lazy and has everyone else, and now we have Jacked,
you know, Squat's five hundred Yeah.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
No, like five thousand.

Speaker 7 (24:13):
But yeah, so wait, okay, Jack, Just so I'm clear,
if you just take the nine movies in the series,
right from the original four, then the four, five, six, one, two, three,
and then seven eight nine, which is your favorite of
that or do you just like you're so boycott that

(24:33):
you don't care, or.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
I mean, I mean I will send you, I will
tell you that.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
I just texted you the link to watch all the
de specialized uh Star Wars editions from the originals, so
you can.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
You know, if you really want to, you can watch it.

Speaker 7 (24:50):
Genuinely, the most important thing to me. I cannot stand
the like booboo CGI from like what was it like
nineteenteen ninety eight?

Speaker 1 (24:56):
I think because but with the did this is a
fan a fan project and you can find it on archive.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
So what what the fans did was they went in
and they like upscaled, you know, to like, I think
it's this is seven twenty K or seven twenty p rather,
you know, to make it look crisp, you know, on
a on a modern screen, but also preserving the original
of the original series. Which yeah, so they're like, if

(25:25):
I were still watching Star Wars, I would watch the
original originals.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
I would not be watching which one of those?

Speaker 4 (25:31):
I would not be watching the Lucas edited editions with
like the Ewok Eyelids or Hunt Shooting Second or any
other in.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
The question here, what's your favorite?

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Yeah, I just said that no, no, your favorite film
like these, these are the ones i'd be watching if
I were watching.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
Which one of these three?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Which?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Oh, which one of these three? I don't know, I never.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Thought of it. I guess probably Jedi. I would have
to say Jedi.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
That's my favorite journey.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
I'm I'm an absolutist.

Speaker 8 (26:05):
The original Star Wars film is the best one, and
it's actually I would say a New Hope, but I'm
just I just called Star Wars most of the time
because I think that's the only one that's actually a
transcendently great film. I think that is a genuinely great
film start to finish. Every scene is good, amazingly edited,
amazing the best standalone.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
I like the I just just to to give the answer.
I like the on Jedi. I like the the story
of redemption, the story of like atonement, redemption.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
You know, a lot of a lot of Christian themes
like that.

Speaker 8 (26:35):
Gonna push back on that, I think the story of
redemption in Star Wars is actually kind of bad. It's
it's bad in the sense it's presented in this bizarre,
fasctile way that almost doesn't make sense. So, first of all,
all we've known of Vader is that he goes and
he commits genocide and does insanely evil things and chokes people,
and then you show up in a Return of the Jedi

(26:55):
and Luke just says, I know you're still good, father,
I know they're still good in you.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
What why where is there any evidence that there's good
in him? There's been nuts, but there's there's just been
no actual external evidence of this.

Speaker 8 (27:06):
And then it's becoming a good person. He just is
watching his son get tortured to death, and then he
goes like no, and then he grabs the Emperor and
throws him down the elevator shaft spoilers forever, and then
like he's now good and he's on the light side again.
I think a lot of bad art has come out
of that, like the presentation of good and evil almost

(27:28):
like a light switch out. You're on the light side
one moment, Bam, you switch to the dark side, and
then you could switch back again.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Comic books do this.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
He didn't just bam, switch back when no, You're like,
you're just like leaving out.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
A lot of the plot of the movie.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
What happened? What does doing that movie that's that's good
other than other than.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
He delivers his son to be tortured by the Emperor.
The Emperor starts torturing him. It's through that torture that
he starts remembering what his son says, and then he
goes and kills the emperor.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Okay, so it's actually like a light switch suddenly just
is it just a good guy again?

Speaker 8 (28:03):
I guess he just all that and then and then
we're treated this as his great redemption.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
I don't think that.

Speaker 8 (28:08):
I think if I think, if I think if like
Hitler had a son, I think if like if I
think if some guy like worked for Hitler and saw
Hitler torturing his son and then suddenly threw Hitler down
an elevator shaft, but that guy had otherwise run Auschwitz,
I don't think we would say that undid running Auschwitz.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
I totally disagree.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
You're totally skipping over in Empire when the interactions that
they had together that led him to the moment of
him like recognizing and reconnecting with his son and identifying
I mean, the most the most famous line in Star
Wars history is not in a New Hope.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
And that's also bad.

Speaker 8 (28:48):
I think that that is everyone remembers that, and yet
that's also a sign of not just decline in Star Wars,
but decline in our pop culture as well, which is,
let's make an out of nowhere plot twist. That's kind
of a out of nowhere. They only made it up
for the second movie, it wasn't in the first movie.
George Lucas goes back and says, oh, I totally had
it planned from beginning.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
George Lucas is full of crap. George Lucas is making
that up.

Speaker 8 (29:11):
George Lucas is making it up as he goes throughout
the entire trilogy.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
I totally think that that plot twist on the way
that they were able to keep it under wraps for
so long, what is like one of the greatest parts,
it's one of the greatest moments in American cinematic history,
is that they were able to keep that completely secret.
And again, you talk about twists, that's like what made

(29:38):
Star Wars like a long lasting franchise. It wasn't a
new hope that was good and that made everyone go bonkers.
It was the fact that they followed it up with
such a crazy plot twist that it basically forced America
to like Star Wars unlike Jack, like real Americans, like
Star Wars. You have to like Star Wars if you

(29:59):
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Speaker 8 (30:00):
And also it took us down the dark path, which
we remain on today. You have this giant universe where
anything can happen, and there's quadrillions of people in infinity planets,
and actually everything is just the family drama of one
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That's actually like real life, though no, it's not. In
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Not everything is a family drama with one family, or
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There's only so many families that people care about.

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Speaker 4 (31:42):
Tyler Tyler's dumping on me, so I want to dump
on him and his like his like weakness in not
being able to actually like hold onto a boycott because
like it's not hard.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
You just don't give money to people you hate who hate.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
You, actually if you already gave money to them right
before it ounce in the PA.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Hey I showed up today so that you could convince
me to not follow the path of the dark Side
with Andrew and and go watch this movie.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, I held out hard to do anything.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
In fact, you're not watching it right now, like you're
you're you're actively not watching it.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
There's nothing that's been said so far that actually makes
me not want to watch this movie.

Speaker 6 (32:21):
So here's here's.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
It promotes homosexuality, it promotes.

Speaker 7 (32:27):
So subtle hints, what's the game still had good in him?
In a New Hope they show hit that one scene.
There is one the Human Vulnerability where they reveal Vader's
scarred face in the meditation shape.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
That is they believe it's not in the second that's.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
A New Hope they showed like that's movie.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
That's definitely the second movie, Bro, Definitely second movie.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
Okay, this right up says it's in the first one.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Is your right up.

Speaker 8 (32:52):
Generally by a robot on the internet. I got to
watch The Robots City Duel. Vader dominates but doesn't kill Luke.
It's also a second movie. I'm saying that for a
second movie, I'm saying the first movie. This is why
my argument was Empire. The Empire is the.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
It's not for the second movie.

Speaker 7 (33:08):
So so that, Luke, you can destroy the emperor. This
is from Empire strikes back. You can destroy the emperor.
He has foreseen this. It is your destiny, joined me
and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son. Yes,
all right, so so protective but hesitant actions. He wants
Luke to turn, but stop short of lethal force A
key points. Okay, but episode so that so he's he's

(33:29):
trying to bring him in.

Speaker 6 (33:30):
Okay, episode this is weak? Why generated that argument? This
is all good?

Speaker 7 (33:37):
Like and then Luke, this is the stuff you're talking about.
Luke says, I can tell there's good in you. Search
your feelings, father, you can do this. I feel the
conflicts within you. Let go of your hate. Batter denies it,
but hesitation proves Luke right.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
So episode five is the best because because again it
solidifies episode four as a if there's only two movies
that ever get created, it would be four and five.
Five was a great follow up to a great movie,
which I agree is standalone is the best movies four,
But if it's not, we're not talking stand alone. We're

(34:10):
talking about a lot of different movies. Five starts to
show the cracks, Invader's.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Sifness or whatever.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
Right, and and then six it is just kind of
like you expected that to happen.

Speaker 8 (34:28):
Even six, they're making it up, like the whole like
Les Lucia made up.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
You know, this is like going into watch six again.
I'm putting myself in the eighties. I'm going in to
watch episode six in theaters.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Six it's called Return of the Jedi.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Yeah, return the Jedi in the eighties, right, the third,
the third in the trilogy. You are expecting that Vader
turns in that movie.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Are you not? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
I didn't Okay, So what's the most exciting movie? The
most exciting movie is Empire, where it's like you were
blown away, your socks were knocked off. You loved one
to blew your your mind with that.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
He's his dad.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
You're dying to go to episode or to the third
installment of the trilogy, and the trilogy delivers exactly what
you expected it to do.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
So, and and then, by the way, the most the
next most exciting moment in cinematic history in the Star
Wars Realm was then episode one, and the poor guy
that played jar Jar Binks got hated his entire life
for something that he had to do like without jar
Jar binks, you do not have the positives in that

(35:42):
movie and it and it at the time, I remember
going into that because.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
You guys are really making a hard cell here.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
I'm just saying, if there's if there's three movies in
a row to like, I agree, four and five, but
four or five are a package duo. You have to
like them one and two or two or one like
like that has to be your either the fifth episode
Empire has to be your number one, and New Hope
has to be number two or vice versa. But my

(36:09):
argument would be the next best the next best moment
actually comes in episode three, not because the movie, because
the movie sucks except for the impart. The last five
minutes of that movie, like it doesn't leave you.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
You know.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
It's really funny actually, just to talk about like how
media is consumed differently today than when we were kids.
I I don't think I when I was a kid,
I'd only ever seen you know, Star Wars and Jedi.
I never saw an Empire until I was in like

(36:44):
high school really, and yeah, because I used to just
like not you know, rented or was it because Jedi
was on TV all the time.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Dude. I remember Jedi being like.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Or something, and I would see it and like just
the way that the way that you would interact with
media was so different, because like you would turn it
on and be like, oh, yeah, I'm go to watch
the Star Wars for a while, and then you'd watch
this other one and then for whatever reason, I just
never watched Empire probably until like ninety eight or so.
Oh you know what it was when they when they
released the special editions, which is right before the prequels

(37:18):
came out, so I guess there was.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
Like the twenty years in the theaters.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
I remember I watched the re releases in the theaters
because they had to reallype about it, like, yeah, Lucas
re releases the originals in the theaters with all this
new CGI, and I thought, Okay, here we go. And
I don't think at the time I had the lens
to see how bad it was. But if you watch
them back now, it's like terrible, It's awful. What can
you imagine only watching Star Wars but only watching the dialogue?

Speaker 6 (37:45):
Jack, only, what.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Are you talking about? That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
The movie is basically not only Star Wars but all media, like,
could you do something like that?

Speaker 7 (37:56):
That is an interesting segue, then Jack, because that's our
next time. Yes, the trend of reading dialogue instead of
an entire novel.

Speaker 8 (38:06):
All right, yes, I really like it. So this came
out in a recent discovery. This was a tweet, I believe,
so throw up.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Number four on screen.

Speaker 8 (38:18):
But this was someone remarking on X the other day
finding someone says, can we please normalize achievable? Reading girls
thirty or more books a year is not common? And
then this other person ali Be replied finding out that
people on book talk that is TikTok book readers. They
skip everything but dialogue, which makes reading thirty plus a

(38:38):
year books make a lot more sense. And let's see,
I think they said another thing. And then someone goes,
but this is smart. I hate all of the descriptions,
like I can't even envision it, and it is boring.
Although when I write, I feel like I need to
add stuff like that in to make a good book.
Crying face, and then Oliv says that is not reading

(38:59):
or writing. The descriptions are the book, and the person replies,
I prioritize character development and plot, others prioritize pros. Declaring
one real over the other is such a weird form
of literary gatekeeping. Yeah, it's literary gatekeeping if you want
people to read the whole book.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
And not just just makes so much sense.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
And it's really deeply revealing, like you.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Know, this explains, like, dude, this explains so much about
what I've experienced dealing, you know, doing like this kind
of stuff and media commentary whatever on on content over
the last funny enough, So today, I guess is my
Twitter anniversary, my extiversary.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
I've been on Twitter for fourteen years as of today.
And and.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
You know, people who know the backstory know that I
originally got on to crap on the HBO's Game of
Thrones from the perspective of a book reader who was
very upset about it. And long story short, we're here now.
And what's what's hilarious is that I used to encounter
people like this all the time, who were just filthy

(40:15):
casuals who clearly like they would these we used to
call them sjw's back in the day, but they were
like these supporters of the characters, like oh, I'm a
Deenari supporter or like, oh, I could never be friends
with the Stantus supporter.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
I'm like, what are you talking about? Like just just watch.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
The show or like read the book, Like why do
you have to like be on a side of a
character or something like do you like it or not?
And I came to find that these people like saw
themselves or saw characters as themselves rather than as their own,
you know, a character that was objectively a separate individual.

(40:55):
And so this makes so much sense to me because
we're dealing with people now, and book talk is huge,
by the way, It's all over the place.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
You see it, you see it everywhere.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
When I talked about that that one show or that
that one book series that got turned into a movie
with Sidney Sweeney about killing your husband called The Handmaiden
or excuse me, the Housemaiden, you know it hous How's made?

Speaker 3 (41:17):
How's made?

Speaker 6 (41:18):
That?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Like it?

Speaker 4 (41:19):
It was a you know, really rode the you know,
the book talk carousel, if you will.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
And that's what's going on.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
They're not actually reading these things. They're not meant to
be fully read. It's just like a oh, here's what
to be like if you killed your husband, La la
La La, and then women go out and like start
thinking that way and start like hating it. I think
there's a lot that has read this is this is
so revealing to me, like Blake.

Speaker 8 (41:45):
But you read a lot of histories, I know, and
so it fluctuates a lot, certainly in the number I
can read. So like this year, I think I probably
read like eleven or twelve books this year, but they
are pretty hefty.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I'm getting through. I'm reading Imperial China by FW Mote
hw Mo.

Speaker 7 (42:02):
But what I'm saying is that is distinct from a fiction.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
True, true.

Speaker 8 (42:08):
I I fluctuate a lot and how much fiction I
read I've read, because when you're reading it, you kind
of go on a streak and read a lot by
one author in one series I haven't read.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
I read uh C Lewis. I read C. S. Lewis
this year.

Speaker 8 (42:25):
I read that Hideous Strength in Perilandra. So the later
parts of his Space trilogy, those are all right, I read.
I'm reading a big, long novel about ancient Rome, which
is like, okay, I'd say it's.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
The Masters of Rome series. They've ever heard of that one.

Speaker 8 (42:38):
Colleen McCullough just wrote, went and wrote seven thousand page
long books about ancient Rome. But they're all right, they're
all right.

Speaker 7 (42:45):
Yeah, But could you imagine reading fiction and only reading
the dialogue?

Speaker 6 (42:50):
What would you miss?

Speaker 8 (42:51):
I feel like you'd miss a lot, among other things,
you probably miss what's actually happening. Miss Like sometimes sometimes
in a book they'll describe major events in the plot
that are not dialogue.

Speaker 6 (43:01):
I love that.

Speaker 7 (43:01):
Like the first tweet that you guys sent in the
chat about this one was like, what is happening?

Speaker 8 (43:06):
What?

Speaker 1 (43:07):
What?

Speaker 6 (43:07):
What?

Speaker 7 (43:07):
Yeah, like somebody's freaking out. Were discovering that. This is
like a trend.

Speaker 6 (43:12):
And by the way, I feel like this is keeping up.

Speaker 7 (43:15):
With the Joneses energy, Like they want to be able
to say, oh, I read all these books, but you
actually didn't read the books.

Speaker 6 (43:21):
It's like you.

Speaker 7 (43:22):
Didn't actually do a thing and you want to claim
credit for it. And that, to me is the most
defensive part about this. It's, yeah, you're missing the art,
you're missing everything. But it's this weird drive to sort
of say like I read fourteen books or.

Speaker 8 (43:34):
And that gets into another part. Someone pointed out that,
in addition to people just skipping large chunks of the book,
the way a lot of these books are consumed. Is
they'll just take an audio book of it and they'll
run it at one and a half two times three
times speed as like constant background track of their life, and.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
You miss all the joy of a book.

Speaker 7 (43:55):
Like the only reason I like to read is because
it's like I put the kids down and I say
it there with a book, and I'm fully consumed.

Speaker 8 (44:03):
Yeah, and I really don't think anything can be read
any other way. We don't count children's book a book quickly.
It's kind of a book not read at all.

Speaker 7 (44:12):
If it's of any to count my book total in
my Andrews.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Book, I'm engrossed in this really big series. It's called
c Spot Run. This is amazing.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Just he just this dog just he just can't stop me.

Speaker 7 (44:26):
If I could count books in my book, my book
total in a year, it would literally it would be
in the hundredths.

Speaker 8 (44:32):
Right. Well, that's the funny thing is to so many
of these books they're reading even frankly, even if.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
They have graphic sacs or like whatever stuff.

Speaker 8 (44:39):
Is that a lot of them are still effectively children's books.
They are written at a child's reading level.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
That's really depressing, very that's actually a really good point too,
because if you I did read Housemaid and then it
was very very juvenile writing, very amateur. It's it's kind
of like I guess it started with, was that your
fifty Shades of Gray where it was like a fan
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movie series in its own right where you just get
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you know, like grade school level writing.

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It's a big concern because are we just becoming dumber
as a culture. And I think like the answer is
undoubtedly yes, which is troublesome.

Speaker 6 (47:46):
It's problematic.

Speaker 7 (47:48):
I want to We played one of these Matt Damon clips,
and so I'm gonna play another one because I think
it's really telling.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
Clip seven Netflix.

Speaker 12 (47:56):
You know, standard way to make an action movie that
we earned was you know, you usually have like three
set pieces, one in the first act one and the
second one and the third and you know you kind
of they kind of ramp up and the big one
with all the explosions, and you spend most of your
money on that one in the third act. That's your
kind of finale. And now they're you know, they're like,
can we get a big one in the first five
minutes to get somebody? You know, we want people to

(48:18):
stay yeah, tuned in and can And you know, it
wouldn't be terrible if you reiterated the plot three or
four times in the dialogue, because people are on their
phones while they're.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Watching, you know what I mean. It's it's really bad.
This is this is how I watch movies though bad.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
This is how you do the show.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
This is this is the fall.

Speaker 8 (48:39):
This is the fall of civilization in a nutshell, and
and you see it everywhere, and I think we.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
Would be see this is this is how we This
is how you plan the show for me? Is you
get me drawn in the first part and then I
and then I sleep through Blake's part in the middle,
and then I show up for the air.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Oh okay, that's all it's going to be.

Speaker 6 (48:54):
Well's just thrown out.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Well, this is this is the fall. This is the
fall civilization. Though this is as simple as that.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
I totally just I totally think that this is fine.
This is fine.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
It's fine that we can't follow a plot or a
book and people are life is different. No, it's not
about that, it's about attention. Life is worse. Yeah, life
is worse and going back and that is the fall
of civilization. And it's not going back. It's like, like,
we're not gonna get rid of cell phones. We're not gonna, like,
I know, eventually everyone will just implode. We're not able
to achieve great things anymore. No, I mean like it's

(49:29):
gonna get worse.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Yeah, we can achieve great things though, because the movie
Michael is right there for all of us to see,
and it's amazing and everyone should go see it.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Why so what if?

Speaker 8 (49:38):
Okay, I can understand not thinking Michael. Are you investing, Yeah,
you seem really invested. Are you invested financially?

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Are you financially tied to the success of Michael.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Look at you, conspiracy theorists, Like you're just trying to
take away my joy. You're just trying to take away
my joy of loving Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
What are your top thirty favorite Michael Jackson songs? No,
who cared about that thirty? I don't know about No,
you have a list in your head.

Speaker 6 (50:06):
I can tell top five.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
So I could here's here's Here's the thing though, is
my kids will get home and then jack Jack will
be liked. Be like, daddy, can you put on thriller?
And I'll put on thriller and he starts like moonwalking
throughout the living room, or you.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Know, he'll put on We'll put on beat It, We'll
put on bad.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
We'll put on whatever, you know, and he or Billy
Jean obviously like uh man in the middle, black and white,
Black or white.

Speaker 8 (50:30):
You've already named more Michael Jackson songs than I could name.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
We'll put on No.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I mean he's legitim media. I've always been a Michael
Jackson fan.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
You think you think and Michael was like a ten
out of ten movie.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
No, Uh well, it's it's it depends on what you're
you're you're going for. Like the experience that we had
was ten out of ten.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yes, if you want to.

Speaker 7 (50:54):
Judge it as like a like Mandalorian Gros film critic
had on Like, I don't know if I'd go all
that way all the in.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
I just know that like in my family and Cernovich
was saying the same thing. By the way, that it's
totally infected his household do and so like we're now
both living like the Michael Jackson life, where like it's
like the music's on.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
All the time, the kids love it, we love it.
You know, it's just just a good time.

Speaker 6 (51:16):
Yeah, no, that's cool.

Speaker 7 (51:16):
But see I support that if that's your Like, can.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
I tell I, can I say this about the Michael movie.
I thought the Michael moves, I learned a couple of things,
Like generally most Americans know like way too much about
Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Then the you do learn some stuff, I think, But.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
Yeah, I didn't realize how they had like a I
learned about and and by the way, I thought it
was really cool how the family came together to really
honor Michael to make that movie and do all that.
And for the rest, I thought that was really tasteful.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
It's his nephew. Yeah, and it's his nephew, and that's
that was really cool. Oh that plays him, Yeah, it's
is It is.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
His actual that's not c g I, that's his actual nephew.
I mean yeah, I think I'm sure he uses like
a little bit of makeup or something.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Who is it? That's it's Germaine? Is it Germaine's son?

Speaker 7 (52:04):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Shoot, I think.

Speaker 7 (52:07):
Straight out of Compton where it was actually ice cube
son who played ice Cube.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, that's cool. Like I think it's cool.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Like it tells a story about a family and there's
a lot of heartache that's involved with their family, like
and that that's cool, and like everybody clearly disliked the
dad and like they wanted to get that point across
and like kind of sucks if your dad, but the
dad's up such a jerk, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
But like, like I.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
Mean, don't be a bad dad is kind of a
theme that comes out of that. I thought it was
really interesting that I didn't realize they had so many
exotic animals just running around.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
I didn't know that's either.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Yeah, it wasn't just a monkey, No.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
They're like giraffes and all sorts of stuff, Like like
that's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
That's kind of that was the kind.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Of when we have it on my my AJ will
be like we'll be like daddy, Daddy, get to the
snake part.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
I want to see the snake part.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Well for me, Like actually, like one of the things
I pulled away from it and maybe this is subconsciously
for America hopefully.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
It was that like how cool is that?

Speaker 5 (53:04):
Like one of the themes that was in it too,
was that a family went from basically nothing you know,
to like living like quite literally the American dream and
nobody nobody's like nobody like like psycho psycho leftists came
out of that. How dare they have safari safari animals
like living on their property and that, Like, but I

(53:26):
thought that was pretty cool and I think that's a
cool thing.

Speaker 7 (53:31):
It was obviously the American dream. It's going to be
through like you're gonna be a rapper or an NBA.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
No, but it played it, but it played into this
whole thing of like clearly Michael Jackson, like part one
of the themes too in that movie was like he
never like he never progressed or grew up, like he
was kind of trapped.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
He kind of was.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
Trapped that he was like And I think that actually
gave a lot more insight to a lot of the
misnomers that people took that kind of claim that he
was like this this terrible person, but he was like
really like what they were saying is like this this
guy was a kid since the time because the dad
made it like kept him in this kid zone that

(54:10):
he never got to experiences.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (54:12):
I'm not saying we're done with this topic, but I
do think this is a weird intro, Like we haven't
this other topic talking about millennials and gens.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
No, it's an interesting segue. Yeah, it's really interesting. We
got to dive into.

Speaker 7 (54:22):
Michael Jackson's dad definitely believed in corporate punishment.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Well, and then and then's Andrew. You haven't seen the film, right.

Speaker 6 (54:29):
No, I haven't, and they blame it.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
So this is a huge.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Scene in the movie, and you know, spoiler or whatever,
but there's a huge scene, you know, pretty early on
where he he you know, Michael doesn't want to perform properly.
And this is back when he's like Jackson five. Michael
Jackson like really young, and before they've even taken off
and his dad, he like talks back to his dad

(54:54):
and he's like, you're going to show me respect and
just pulls the belt off and just starts whipping him
and they show it on screen and he's like freaking out.
He's crying, and that's that's what Tyler's referring to when
he says it kind of you know, it kind of
shows you, you know, perhaps some of those uh forces
and family dynamics that maybe you know made multiple kind

(55:17):
of child like have this like childlike you know, personality
even as he grew up kind of I think culturally
psychologically frozen there we.

Speaker 7 (55:25):
Heard these stories, you know, like and then I think
as a culture, we got away from spanking. And apparently,
according to new study or new reporting, I guess gen
Z is returning to this. Apparently, can we see number
nine put it on the screen. Shocking number of millennial

(55:47):
and gen Z parents spank their kids. Study says necessary
to raise a child properly. So go around the court,
go around the horn. I believe in spanking. I don't
do it very often, but I'm not opposed to doing it.

Speaker 10 (56:00):
It.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
Uh, you believe it.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
I've seen no reason to oppose it.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
H Tyler, No, I don't oppose it. I think it's
I think it. I think there's like anything limits.

Speaker 7 (56:13):
Yeah, I don't believe in like just taking off your
belt and whipping the crap out of your kid for like.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
I think there's people that probably take like it's a
it's as close to like getting to child abuse, like
from a physical standpoint, like.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
You shouldn't you shouldn't.

Speaker 7 (56:29):
Well, you can't do it in angry kids angry if
you're gonna if you're gonna, uh spend your child, you
need to be controlled. You need to have your emotions
like in check it. You can't be going like I'm
gonna get you like that's you could do some damage
there actually psychologically. But if you do it and be
like listen, I told you I'm gonna, like so we
do a thing in our house, like I'm gonna move
your body. If you refuse to like come to me

(56:50):
when we're asking, I'm gonna physically move you, you have
one more option, one more.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
Chance, and then they either come or they don't.

Speaker 7 (56:56):
And then if it escalates like well listen, like you know,
so we'll do like soap the mouth.

Speaker 6 (57:00):
We actually do that.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Oh wow, okay, I never had into that one.

Speaker 7 (57:03):
They hate it or put like a little like a
little like tabasco on their tongue. They can't stand that.
It's like I think you know, but but like so
there's other ways.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
To do it.

Speaker 7 (57:13):
So we don't really spank that often, but we do
find ways to just like, you know, make make it
so that they don't want to experience the accountability Jack,
are you pro against.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah, I think I'm more in your like the camp
that you're saying there.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
We're like, we don't like spank, but there are lots
of things that we do in terms of discipline.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I haven't I haven't ever done the tabasco thing.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
And it's like, I almost don't want to say this
out loud, but I just want to say.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
That we I remember my parents doing that.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Because I had a.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Bit of a mouth when I was a kid and
still do and definitely remember the basket on the tongue.
And uh, I will just say I have not encountered
a situation that necessity it yet and you know, praise
God and hopefully we won't have to, but you know,
that's certainly on the on the list. One thing that
we do though is uh, you know, we definitely do

(58:10):
push ups. We definitely, you know, you do something wrong,
it's like dropping any ten and if you're not well,
and it's like and if they don't, it's more push
up than plank. But it's like if you don't go
down far enough, then Daddy gets out the fist and
you have to like go down and you have to
get to daddy, like come all the way down.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
You know.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
We do you know, timeouts obviously, like that's a big one.
Just a variety of things and and depriving you know,
kids of things. I think I think there's there's a
lot you can do. I'm not sold on this science.
I mean there's plenty of studies that are you know,
the show that that spanking is is like like really
bad and then you know, leads to like Michael Jackson's

(58:50):
style issues and you got to do it.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
I think there's other ways to control.

Speaker 7 (58:54):
But I don't think I I and to be fair,
I think some parents probably can't control themselves and do
it and like kind of a passionate way. And I
hate to say spare the rod child, So spare the rod,
spoiled the child. But we're assuming that's a physical rod.
It doesn't have to be. It could be Dabasco could
be so up in the mouth. But the point is
you got to discipline your kids, Like the Bible says

(59:14):
that God disciplines his children.

Speaker 6 (59:16):
I love them.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
I think it's if it's gonna happen.

Speaker 8 (59:18):
I don't think I I think if you're using it right,
it doesn't have to be done often.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
But I think a child.

Speaker 8 (59:25):
Benefits from the awareness that their parents are capable of
hurting them if they need to.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
Yeah, I think it's important for kids to have a
little bit of fear, Like I I think I got
I think I got belted one time when I was
a kid.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Yeah, And I.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
Don't think my parents, I mean my parents were young
are old gen xers, And so I think gen X
is kind of like known as like.

Speaker 7 (59:48):
Gen X admitted to spanking their children, and how much
of millennials like the weakest. So it's like the research
revealed that when this demographic of parents was asked whether
they had ever spanked their child or children with their hand,
about twenty percent said yes.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
So millennials is twenty Like boomers were probably like ninety percent.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, and excuse me, and didn't have boomers in there,
And no, I just had gen X.

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
I've had boomers, Like legitimately, it's like, well over eighty
percent spanker kid.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
It's just it's I think, so it's gone down like
better behaves than they were. No, they're worse.

Speaker 8 (01:00:21):
Yeah, they're like worse. And also just it's I'll just
say it this way. It's an overly it's like longhoused
and overly feminized, and I think that actually undermines the
authority of parents a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
You know, let me say this without exposing Like my family,
but I'm the oldest in my family and I have
four brothers and sisters, three brothers, one sister, and I
definitely got I got got belted at least one time,
maybe two like not like, but it was memorable enough
where it like I never wanted it to happen again.

(01:00:54):
But the kids in my family definitely didn't get Like
as time went on, my parents got softer, softer and
they did it.

Speaker 7 (01:01:03):
And I also think parents get better, like I've become
a better parent as i've my kids have gotten older.
And I think actually, in truth, i've used spanking way
I think like my daughter probably was the only one.

Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
I actually think about it. I think my daughter's the
only one I've spanked.

Speaker 7 (01:01:19):
Is I got I got better at being a parent
and using other tools and understanding like how to avoid
even having to get to that point.

Speaker 6 (01:01:28):
So I think there's some of that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
I think there's an element how you get softer.

Speaker 6 (01:01:31):
You might just get better.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
But I was just I was gonna say, this is
the point I was gonna make, was that if the
kids are close enough together and they observe the corporal punishment.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Of like the one older, then you don't need to. Yeah,
So like I think that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
I mean, I was like for sure, like definitely instilled
in like my younger sib is, like, you don't want
to get spanked. So the threat actually became real because
like they they knew that I was serious about it,
because it was like the look they could see my
eyes of like, oh, yeah, you don't want that to
happen to you, and so you don't have to use it.
But if you if you don't do it at least once, right, like,

(01:02:09):
there's no threat.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
I think I think I spanked my son once strength.

Speaker 8 (01:02:14):
I think I think my dad maybe did it once
or twice and it was that yeah level.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
So it's a.

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
Period you don't like doing it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:21):
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Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Yeah, so here's here's the way to put it together,
because you know, I'm still kind of like, you know,
you look, I mean, you could see all the studies
out there, let's say that's banking in general, like is
not is not good for cognitive development, but it's but
what you know at this university of Texas that no.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Lives ut Austin. Okay, that the the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
A lot of it is like lack of creativity.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
But but the problem though, though, I think though, is
that people saw that stuff and they thought like, oh,
we have to go full in on like the therapy style,
like I'm gonna be my kid's best friend and I'm
gonna do this and this whole like non confrontational parenting.
We're like i want my kid to trust me, or
I'm one of them, I'm one of the buds, like
I'm a cool parent, and you know, like I'm gonna

(01:04:14):
give you a sip of beer, I'm gonna give you
smoke a cigarette or whatever. Like it's it's it's really stupid.
And the and the issue that's now created with the
unruly kids is that it's been too permissive and the
kids don't actually have any boundaries when they're in that situation,
and so like you do need to you do need
to drive back. So I think if anything with what

(01:04:37):
they're saying about the shocking rise is that I think
that perhaps like some millennial and Gen Z parents are like, okay,
you know, the whole like talk therapy version of parenting
is stupid, so I'm going to move in the opposite direction,
but then they go too far in the opposite.

Speaker 7 (01:04:50):
Direction, and then you create terrible kids. So yeah, I
mean I agree. I think actually, like if you're reading.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
And then your kids actually beat you, yeah, exactly, but
like you're.

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
You're I think the article is like saying, it's shocking,
still how many parents do this? I think it's actually
like to Tyler's point is if there isn't an an
actual threat of it being real, then it kind of
loses its effectiveness, Like it is like peace through strength parenting.
But yeah, if you enforce authority and you firmly established

(01:05:25):
that they need to answer to you and that you're
in charge at a very young age, I do think
that you can tend to keep those boundaries more established.
But there are there are gonna be times where kids
try and like defy the parents, you know, Like, and
I would say to your point on the oldest, like.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
My my daughter was.

Speaker 7 (01:05:42):
She's great now, she's like our easiest kid now, but
when she was kind of like spreading her wings and
trying to establish kind of the boundary lines with us, she.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
Was the hardest that we've had.

Speaker 7 (01:05:54):
And so you know there needed to be a little
bit of like set the pace here, that's in theory, like,
but maybe I just was is good of a parent
either because what the other ones have so many more
tools in the toolbox to kind of establish you know, order.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
That can I can I can I introduce crimacle. So
here's my thought crime on this is and and it's
something that I just don't see addressed in any parenting
literature at all, is that I think I think that
IQ plays a role in this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
I think if you have kids.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Who are you know, people who are lower IQ, then perhaps,
you know, perhaps this might be more effective. And we
certainly have talked about that in the legal process and
the judicial process, and you know the Lee Kwan yu
sort of version of corporal punishment for adults, and I

(01:06:47):
think with kids it's the same way. Like if you've
got if you've got smarter kids, if you've got kids
that are more cognitively aware, then the threat works better
than the actual thing. But if they don't see to
have that you know, ability to put that all together,
then perhaps it is those ones that are lower IQ
where this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Is more effective.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
Because I, like, I have people texting me right now
who are watching the show saying like, oh, you know,
I tried that and it didn't work. Like my kid
just just kept you know, was like outsmarted me or
not out smarter, but was smarter than the punishment and
was like just kept going. So you know, you you've
got to find something that meets the kid. But that's
the thought crime is that you know, it's not a

(01:07:29):
one size fits all strategy.

Speaker 7 (01:07:30):
Well, I thought that I experienced that with my daughter.
I got I basically became convinced that it was the
it was not the most effective discipline that we could,
you know, meet out. So here's this ut, I guess.
Ut Austin study in the US, seventy six percent of
men and sixty five percent of women agree that it

(01:07:51):
is sometimes necessary to discipline a child with a good
hard spanking. Uh. Seventy percent of mothers of two year
olds reports spanking their children by the time they reach
but just interesting by the way, So seventy percent of moms,
but only sixty five percent of women, agree that it's
sometimes necessary.

Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
By the time they reach fifth grade.

Speaker 7 (01:08:07):
Eighty percent of American children report that they haven't spanked
by their parents. I don't know if I believe that.
I think a lot of children like are like, yeah,
me too. Anyways, but according to Units have, sixty percent
of children around the world experience physical punishment from their parents.

Speaker 6 (01:08:20):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:08:20):
This study basically I think agrees with you, Jack that
it's probably not the most effective.

Speaker 6 (01:08:28):
You know, it's spanking, does not.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Yeah, I think I think the answer is in between.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
And let's remember I just don't buy these things.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
That phrase isn't actually in the Bible of spare the rods,
world the child.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
That's not what the Bible says.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
No, right, it says he spares the rod, hates his child,
he who loves his son, he who loves his son disciplined.

Speaker 6 (01:08:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Yeah, so it's about.

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
Says not just about like your child the raw. The
Bible says, do not.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
It doesn't say you have to spank them.

Speaker 7 (01:08:56):
Yeah, but the Bible says, do not exasperate your children.
Which is another thing which like as a parent that
has come into focus a lot, because you can feel
when you're if you're trying to like drive home a point,
you can feel when they've kind of had enough, and
like sometimes you need to pivot to a softer approach.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
But anyways, I just.

Speaker 8 (01:09:12):
Think I think people who go out and they'll I
bet people can generate studies that will tell you that
any form of punishment is actually bad because a lot
of people they like the anarchy of there being no authority.
And something that's pointed out that I think is useful
is any law we have if we wanted to exist,
it does ultimately need to be backed up by force.

(01:09:33):
It comes up when the you know, the police end
up you know, choking or accit or shooting someone you know,
they're trying to enforce the law. The guy decides to
resist arrest and they end up shooting the guy, and
everyone says like, why do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
You get shot over a loose cigarette? Why do you
get shot over cartex?

Speaker 8 (01:09:47):
Well, in the end, you have to over and if
you don't obey the police, something bad will happen to you.
And I think spanking is the micro version of that
for a parent, that a parent ultimately they have to
have authority over their child and to be their ultimate
apex of that is is if you do not listen
to what I always say, I will use physical force

(01:10:07):
on you. And I think we have to have it
be acceptable for a parent to do that. And I
think ideally it's actually quite rare. I think all of
us who have said it's okay have said we ourselves
experienced it maybe once, and so among other things. I
don't imagine any of these studies they're they're doing are
very good at capturing the value that comes from a
parent who spanks their child literally once. Ever, while they're

(01:10:29):
growing up. I think that's difficult to capture, but I
think the value is real.

Speaker 7 (01:10:33):
Did you guys, ever experience any physical punishment when you
became like teenagers?

Speaker 8 (01:10:37):
My dad the longest thing he would do, and this
is going to sound extremely funny today, but I did
once possess hair toop my head, and if my dad
thought I was giving him lip or being sassy, he
would grab me by the back, by the short hairs
in the back right here.

Speaker 6 (01:10:52):
Once you still have to be clear, well, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Really have them there anymore. He couldn't, He couldn't grab
them anymore, for sure us.

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
My mom used to do that when I was a kid,
But now I.

Speaker 7 (01:11:01):
Was one time when I was I must have been
like fourteen or fifteen, and I remember, I sort of
vaguely remember it. I actually look back just to be
in my dad's defense. I look back and I'm like,
totally respect it. But I'm I got really mouthy, like
really mouthy, said some like really like nasty things, and

(01:11:21):
I think he slapped me, you know, not very hard,
but he slapped me, and he said you will respect me,
you will respect me, and and I like, I remember
in the moment, I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Was so shocked. I can't believe me.

Speaker 6 (01:11:34):
Seriously, that was that was basically the general energy.

Speaker 7 (01:11:37):
And then it like it like dawned on me when
I was like twenty five, I was like, I like
had this like grudging respect for my old man. I
was like, yeah, he put me in my place, like
good for him, actually, because I was I really deserved it.
And now you know, now as I get older, as
now as I get older, I like, I don't grudgingly
respect it.

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
I'm like that was that was rad Like good for you.

Speaker 8 (01:11:57):
Now I'm just thinking on the other I remember freak
out so they can from punishments, so we reflect on spanking.
But I wonder if the experts would now say, like
taking your child's phone away for a prolonged period. And
I am thinking, I'm sorry, I'm gonna drag my one
of my sisters here for a bit. I remember one
time my parents grounded my sister by taking her phone
away for I believe one or two days, and I

(01:12:19):
remember her literally screaming, you.

Speaker 6 (01:12:21):
Have ridded my life.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Maybe we did, I don't know how we're gones.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
As a teenager, I got my dad to use the
F word one time. Sorry, Dad, I don't exposed you.
That was like the only time my dad never cussed.
My dad's like really slow to angry. He's like really chill,
and he never got gets angry.

Speaker 6 (01:12:38):
He always I pushed enough.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
Buds where he like dropped a f bobby and I
started laughing because I was like I was like shocked
and nervous all at the same time, but I was
just like I laughing, but it left like an air
pressure with me. I was like, I actually felt bad
that I made my dad so mad that it probably
so much situation where it's like like I made I
felt bad that I made my dad so mad that

(01:13:03):
he did that, And I know he was like disappointed
in himself afterwards that I got.

Speaker 6 (01:13:07):
An jack anything for you when you got older and
got at.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
The one thing that I just have to reflect on
is this is going back, like you know, I guess
seven seven, six or seven years now? Is that you know,
just over the six or seven years that I've dealt
with Andrew Colebat. I mean, I'm right there with his dad.
I totally get it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
I do that one time when you slapped Andrew in
the office.

Speaker 7 (01:13:33):
That was weird, Jake, I thought, yeah, I mean, listen,
I maybe I was just a bad teenager.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:13:42):
I was actually a pretty good kid in general, but
I definitely had that coming like I.

Speaker 6 (01:13:46):
Would, I would.

Speaker 7 (01:13:47):
I went through this phase where I would say like
out of line things, you know, like trying to get
a shock out of I think out.

Speaker 6 (01:13:53):
Of my parents.

Speaker 7 (01:13:54):
Anyways, Faz says, when I was five, all the kids
would talk about spankings, and I was curious and the
jealous and jealous that I never got spanked since my
parents were against it. So I kept doing things that
were naughty to try and get spanked, and then it
finally happened, and I didn't love it never happened again.

Speaker 6 (01:14:10):
I'd say it, there you go.

Speaker 7 (01:14:11):
If I's a good kid, I was still a good man.
So I don't know, I'm kind of with you, Blake.
My instincts say that this is woke garbage, and it's
probably okay. Sometimes you have to do it dispassionately. You
can't be like doing it in anger and freaking the
kids out. You can't be like beaten with a belt
for forty minutes. Like you have to have it has
to have boundaries and limitations. But if you don't have
that as an option on the table, it's kind of like,

(01:14:34):
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
Well, and there's a lot of other things I was
going to bring up that are non physical, but it's
the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
If if it's just a.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
Threat and you never do it, then it then there
are no tea to.

Speaker 7 (01:14:46):
Hold your word. You were not your kid's friends.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
I mean there's two things. One thing my dad. I know,
we got to go back. I can't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
My dad did one thing, not to me, but to
my brother. He had his car and he threatened like, hey,
if you do I can't remember what he did, something
like goof to off or broke curfew or did something.
It's like I'm gonna take away your car. And my
dad did take away my brother's car without him knowing
he had an extra key to it and then parked

(01:15:14):
it in a storage locker, like it fit perfectly in
the storage locker, closed the door, and gave the storage
locker key to my brother, but didn't tell him which
storage locker isn't where it was at, right, so he
had to live with like, Hey, if you lose this,
now you're responsible for the storage locker key. And if
you lose the storage locker key, right, you're never getting

(01:15:35):
your car back because I'm not gonna tell you where
it is, like it's gone, and so you have to
be responsible enough to like keep the storage locker key
for as long and then when I decided to really.

Speaker 8 (01:15:45):
Funny to put it in like one of the extremely
large storage locker complexes we have in Phoenix and just say,
like it's one of them, just make him do every
lock all right, Animal Farm Jack, take us home on it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, I do have to report back that
I did finally get to a chance to sit down
and watch the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
New Animal Farm.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
I think I was actually like live commenting on it
in you know, in our group chat while I was
watching it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
And uh, yeah, I just totally agree with Blake.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
I mean within like the like the first twenty five
minutes or so are kind of it's pretty much like
beat for beat, the same story as like the book,
and then it just takes a wild turn becomes extremely
anti capitalist.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
It just it just is.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
It was literally like the villain having a cyber truck
by the way, and it's and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
It's also just not a good story.

Speaker 7 (01:16:36):
I was I was surprised because I was watching your
your Live commentary. You're like, it's not that bad. It's
pretty whatever right now. And then and then.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Yeah, like the first third was like kind of the same,
and then it just goes off the rails completely.

Speaker 7 (01:16:49):
All right, Well, it's been a fun episode of very
culture culture like media culture.

Speaker 8 (01:16:55):
Star Wars, Wars, trashy books, animal bad novel adaptation.

Speaker 6 (01:17:00):
We should get back into the thought crimey stuff next week.

Speaker 7 (01:17:02):
I think we gotta we gotta like be tempted to
say things right, we don't want, but.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
We got a bail, So thank you everyone, take us home.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Jack, Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and
commit more thought crime.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
For more on many of these stories and news you
can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.

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