Will Britain Awaken? Can the West Save Itself?

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Speaker 4 (01:17):
All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. It
is June third, and what a June third. We had
a great night last night. We're here at the yree
Fi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
How we doing, Blake, Oh, we're doing splendid.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
We're doing splendid around here. We're gonna start off the
show right here. We're gonna welcome in two guests, not one,
but two. We've got Tyler Boyer, COO of Turning Point Action,
who's been the architect of a lot of turning points
political strategies. And we have the next governor from the
great state of Iowa, Zach Lane, joined us, who had
a huge primary victory last night in Iowa.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
Welcome to you both, gentlemen.

Speaker 6 (01:54):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Wonderful Tyler, since you have been behind so much of this,
why don't you set the stage for mister Lane here
and what happened last night?

Speaker 7 (02:04):
Now, man, what a huge victory Zach. We're just so
we're so incredibly proud to see what can happen when
you have people listen to the voters, actually represent the voters.

Speaker 8 (02:18):
How are you feeling today? Following this massive win.

Speaker 6 (02:22):
Overwhelmed, great, thankful, grateful. It's just, you know, we felt
good coming in. We could feel the energy on the ground.
I'm sure you heard it from your people that are
out here. They're working very hard to assume every event
we're doing, they're out there, and we could just feel it.
We felt a movement growing, I would say, at all
my events, and and it came through the people.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
The people won, Amen Zach.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
So last night defied a lot of political odds, a
little pagnosticators. They didn't see this coming, you know, and
we got to sort of deal with the elephant in
the room here. First, your opponent was endorsed, I believe
sort of last minute by President Trump. We had endorsed you.
Some people might see that as a disconnect.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Actually, I believe that President Trump and RFK Junior they
started the MAGA Maha partnership and this is a continuation
of this, explained to the audience who maybe is still
getting to know you nationally, you know, kind of your
stance as a farmer in Iowa and about pesticides glifasse.

(03:26):
It's so much that has animated people like Alex Clark
on our team and explain how that resonated with voters.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
Yeah, you know, I think a lot of what I
talk about is facing down these long term systemic issues
we've been you know, looking at as a state, you know,
that have been going on for a very long time
in politicians from both sides as have not been addressing.
You know, one of the keys that you're mentioning there
is Iowa has the fastest rate of new cancer anywhere.

Speaker 8 (03:48):
In the history of the world.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
You know, we are I said last night, We're going
to funerals with people who are dying at sixty whose
parents lived to be eighty. We're losing the wisdom of.

Speaker 8 (03:57):
An entire generation.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
So but there's other things too that are really resonating
with people. You know, I was losing our kids faster
than forty six other states. And you know, I was
one of those kids. I thought I had to leave
Iowa to find something better, end up coming back home.
But I'm really fighting to try to make life more affordable,
to help kids by be able to buy their first homes,
grow big families. But that's really a lot of what

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our campaign's been about. And I think that there's this
there's this message of sort of economic populism mixed mixed
with the MAHA agenda. That is a winning message across
the country. I truly believe that, and we're trying to
weld those two things together because I truly believe them.
And you know, I think you guys might know this,
but Charlie and I first met in twenty eleven. He

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was seventeen, and we spoke at the same event together
and it was in you can still find in the article,
and I think callispell Montana, and I thought, who the
heck is this guy? Like all this energy has and
he had the poster big government sucks. But I followed
you guys in him for a long time and I've
watched I watched him talk about those same issues. We
have to take care of the next generation. That's what

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election's about. So that's really what our campaign's been about.
It's four key issues, keeping Iowa's kids in Iowa, saving
our family farms, making our education system number one in
the nation again, and stopping the cancer crisis.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
So if anybody is out there is wondering why we
endorsed this guy for governor in Iowa, he sounds I mean,
everything you just said Zach sounds so reminiscent of what
we heard Charlie say day and day out on this
show on college campuses, affordability, taking care of the next generation,
making sure that they get to inherit the American dream,

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buy a home, start a family, and obviously taking care
of this cancer crisis in Iowa, which is a local issue,
but it's a national issue. You guys maybe have it
a little bit in greater measure because of all the farming.
Perhaps that's it. I want to dive into the issue
that you talked about, though, glyphasate. That's something that you
know Alex Clark I mentioned her before. She's very, very

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passionate about this. What would you like to see happen?
Because you know, you hear voices like RFK Junior that
echo what you're saying, but they also understand there's an
economic reality and you have to off ramp over time, right,
you can't rug pool the entire you know, agricultural business.
What are you saying to voters in Iowa about this issue?

Speaker 6 (06:18):
Well, first, you have to look at this from two
different standpoints.

Speaker 8 (06:20):
One is the economic issue we have.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
When I was growing up in Iowa, we've had about
three hundred seed input and fertilizer companies selling products to
our farmers. Now three companies control eighty five percent of
the market. They need to be broken up through anti
trust suits. It's far past monopoly and so the farmers
see they're being extorted on prices there. And so what
I've really made the case of is the same companies
that are extorting on prices are also lying to you

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about the safety.

Speaker 8 (06:43):
Of the products.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
And so the state I've watched is Rondo Santrans has
done this in Florida. We need to be doing independent
research on the safety of products. We need to incentivize
off ramps for farmers to different types of farming, just
like we do on our farm today. I run a
regenerative farm. Most of its organic. The rest is being
transitioned in. And part of the reason I do that
is because on a parak or basis, we can make

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more money. And that's a big part of my goal
is you know, right now, young people can't afford to
get on farms, and so I want to restore that
heritage of my state. My goal has been very clear.
I want farmers to make more money, live longer, healthier lives,
and pass something down.

Speaker 8 (07:20):
To their kids. That's my whole goal.

Speaker 6 (07:22):
And I think that the reliance on some of these
big agg groups that are creating products and then not
telling the truth about their safety is a bad thing.
So one of the key things I'm i am pushing for,
which Alex and the MOHA movement I've been pushing for,
is no immunity from liability for pesticide companies. If your
product harmed somebody, they deserve to have recourse. It's a
part of the free market to do that.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Wow, man, music to my ears. Yes, Tyler, please please
chime in here.

Speaker 7 (07:48):
One of the exciting parts I think for us, especially
from turning point, is I mean, you becoming governor of
Iowa would make you one of the youngest governors, if
not the youngest governor in the Republican Party. I mean,
that's that's a big deal. That's a huge deal for millennials.
I mean, what's your what's your what's your take, and
what's what's the community. I mean there's some the largest

(08:09):
voting block.

Speaker 8 (08:10):
Now is millennials in America. Yeah, what's your message specifically
to millennials? In addition to the MAHA message.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
I think the big thing is like get ready to
come to Iowa. Truly, I want to make this a
place they want to live and grow a family. We
have an amazing quality of life here. There's things, there's
big problems we need to solve, but ultimately that's my goal. Like, look,
under the tenth Amendment, we are supposed to be competing
to be the best state. And that's what I'm trying
to do is figure out how do we compete to
be better? And I'm even calling for things like income

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tax abatements that would go towards a down payment on
a home if you're willing to move back to Iowa,
if you graduate from high school here, and it would
go into an account to help you afford a home. And
you know, for every kid that leaves our state, we
lose four hundred and fifty thousand dollars in tax revenue.
And I'm more concerned to the culture and the heritage
and the family traditions. That's my bigger concern. But economic

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doesn't make sense. We can give these abatements and still
be in the black and help it be an affordable
place to raise a family.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Wow, Tyler, people don't understand what Turning Point Action is doing.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
In Iowa.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Zach mentioned it before he saw our team out there everywhere.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Just please give a little primer on that.

Speaker 8 (09:17):
Yeah, I mean, this is we view this.

Speaker 7 (09:19):
Everyone's so excited about Zach, about Lane for governor obviously,
but I mean this is a broader thing. Iowa was
one of the most critical states in the nation. Twenty
twenty eight is going to be fast upon us. We
have a presidential election. Iowa, everyone knows is the first
place that all presidential campaigns start. And so this is

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just the beginning of a whole lot of Iowa talk,
which is, you know, we got to get Governor Lane
elected and then from there we have almost immediately a
presidential race that's happening, and so turning point action is dedicated.
We've launched Iowa ninety nine at Iowa ninety nine dot com,
where we have leaders every single county across all all

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ninety nine counties in Iowa. And so we're wanting to
establish a long term base of activism that's not just
going to be able to make sure that the agenda
that Governor Laying will well institute will happen. But we
have a great outcome for twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
All Right, guys, this was fantastic. The future governor of Iowa,
thank you for joining us. Congratulations on a magnificent win
last night.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
We are behind you very much.

Speaker 6 (10:27):
Thank you to the Turning Point warriors on the ground
and Iowa, thank you.

Speaker 8 (10:30):
Thank you, God bless you.

Speaker 7 (10:31):
Zach.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
All right, Tyler, we're going to go around the horn.
I asked you which state did you want to start with,
and you said South Dakota, So tell us it's Blank's
home state.

Speaker 9 (10:42):
So he was very They had quite the primary. It
was a four way race where basically anyone could have won.
So and you you will, needed thirty five percent to
avoid a runoff, and I don't think that anyone got
that high, right Tyler.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
Yeah, that's right, So it's going to end up in
a runoff. The in typical fact, a sitting governor really
has no problem whatsoever making it through a primary. In
this case, we have a governor who was on the
ballot and he came in second place. And it was,
like Blake mentioned, very easily he could have come in

(11:16):
fourth place. Because all four of them were relatively close,
none of them broke the threshold necessary to win.

Speaker 8 (11:26):
So it's going to a runoff. But Toby Dodan came
in first.

Speaker 7 (11:30):
He's a MAGA style candidate, big supporter of the president.
At turning point, actions endorsed Toby. He's a conservative. He
won out the day. There was another good, great candidate,
John Hanson, who was in the race, who's the Speaker
of the House there. Blake's actually good good friends with
him as well, just barely came in fourth place.

Speaker 8 (11:52):
Like we mentioned, it was really close.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
But the story of the of the day was that
that the governor came in second, not a not a
staunch conservative, not viewed as a as a staunch conservative,
more as an establishment candidate.

Speaker 8 (12:06):
And this is part of the reason why you know.

Speaker 7 (12:09):
He did not do very well or he lost pretty
significant margins of votes to three other candidates last night,
and Toby is kind of leaning as the front runner.
It was you know, a pretty decent a pretty decent
lead that he had over the governor coming out of
this thing into the runoff. So you're going to see
that you want to keep eye on this. This is
the reason why this matters so much is remember Senator

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Thune is from the state of South Dakota, and South
Dakota right now is getting a heavy amount of brunt
directed at it because the Save America Act is not
getting passed, and so this is this is the governor's race,
I'm reminding people is really really critical because this could
really start to impact decisions that are being made, whether

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Thune decides to run again, if someone going to challenge soon,
especially if the Same of America Act does not get done,
because it doesn't look like the President's agenda is getting
executed in the in the in the US Senate.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Well, and to underscore Tyler's point here, I mean, we've
got Bill Cassidy lost his primary, John Cornan lost his primary.
You've got Mark Lynch and Lady Graham going head to
head in South Carolina next week. I believe in the
ninth were watching that one. We're gonna have Mark Lynch
on the show again soon. And then you've got I'm
missing one, I'm missing one. Who else got primary? Anyway,
The point is the the the old Guard is getting

(13:33):
challenged in ways that they have not been challenged in
a long time. And to Tyler's point, if you think
Thune is untouchable, think again Toby's election here, are winning
this primary?

Speaker 5 (13:44):
Yeah, they're going to a runoff.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
But his victory here says that anything is possible in
South Dakota, and it shows it's a it's a temperature
check of the base voter.

Speaker 7 (13:53):
Well, Andrew, you'd be an insane person if you're thun
looking at the results from last night and thinking that
you can get away with not passing the Same America Act.
You know, So you have two things that can happen
out of this. I think one is that I mean,
there's really I mean, there's people making calls today saying
I want to run against Dune based off of the

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results of yesterday's primary. But you have a secondary issue here,
which is is he going to dig his heels in
and basically defy the president or aid the Democrats and
you know, really nasty stuff that can happen after midterms,
or is he going to get on board, look at

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his own state, his own home, and say, I can't
keep messing around anymore. I got to get this thing done.
I'm going to make sure that the Senate is called
back in and more work groups and figuring this out
until the Same America Act gets done.

Speaker 8 (14:46):
Because there's still.

Speaker 7 (14:48):
A very small window, but still a window left to
get this thing done before this election.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
That's well said, Tyler. I think Dune is definitely unnoticed.
Now I'm gonna play this hilarious clip out of l
we turn our attention to the West coast. Steve Hilton
is in first, but it's going to take two months
for them to count the votes in California, so maybe
we'll check. We'll check back in in a couple of months.
But anyways, this is a touch point outside of Spencer
Pratt's party last night thirty two.

Speaker 7 (15:15):
There are some Spencer Pratt supporters here who seem in
a very good move.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
What is it about Spencer Pratt that you just resonating
with you?

Speaker 10 (15:24):
Because he's speaking out against communism and socialism and it
is real, big problem in our cities, especially in LA
where it's turned to crap.

Speaker 8 (15:31):
It's not an accident.

Speaker 10 (15:32):
They're doing it by design. Karen Bass wants to destroy
our city, and it's nice to see someone like Spencer.

Speaker 9 (15:37):
I could simplify it because those buzzwords are like they
they melt the brains of like left you know leaning people.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
So let's just say it this way.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
He doesn't want you a human feces.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
To be a part of your life.

Speaker 10 (15:49):
He doesn't want homeless children outside.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Thank you, oh you know.

Speaker 11 (15:55):
Right away?

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Homeless Okay, well outside of the others.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Appreciate you don't appreciate.

Speaker 9 (16:05):
I got it.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
Thank you for navigating that so well. That was MS
now last night.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
God Bless America. Yeah, God Bless America. That's the la
I know and love. Anyways, listen, here's the deal. Spencer
Pratt hanging into second, but there is doubts that he's
gonna be able to hang on.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
Tyler.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I've been on more group chats with you than I
can count where people are like, what about Spencer Pratt?
Your thoughts on what we're going to see unfold as
mail in ballots continue to stream in over the next
two weeks.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:33):
Look, I mean the hope I think that we all
had was that it would be Spencer Pratt versus the
Communist and that she would take off. And I think
that that's the the commedist thought that they can turn
her into somewhat of a mom Donnie. But she didn't
take off. She she didn't have support. Karen Bass was
able to maintain her base support. And the problem that's

(16:56):
that's ahead for us now is that you know, Spencer
Pratt going to have to convince a wide variety of
people that to vote for him in a runoff, which
is going to occur on the same day as the
as the midterm election. So that's that's spells. That's difficult.
I'm gonna be very honest with the audience right now.

(17:16):
That is a difficult, tall task ahead, but it can
be done if Spencer has the right campaign.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
And Hilton looks like he's going to make it through
as well. Thank you, Tyler boy, great analysis. We'll see
you soon.

Speaker 8 (17:27):
You got it.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
All right.

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This is an issue Blake and I have been talking
about behind the scenes for the last I don't know
a couple weeks actually, and we're gonna be covering it
on this show. Here to help us do it is
Ben Leo. He is the US correspondent for gb News
out of the UK as we've got a show hold on.

(19:02):
Let me get the show. Actually, Ben, what's the name
of your show?

Speaker 12 (19:05):
I make good to see it's The channel is GB News,
the UK's number one news channel, and the show which
I host here from DC is called The Late Show Live.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Beautiful, The Late Show Live with Ben Leo. We've had
you on the show before with Charlie. It's great to
see you again. Obviously, this Henry Noak story has been
building in building and building as we found out the
details of it. Why don't you just set the stage
for our audience who maybe he doesn't know yet what

(19:33):
happened here, and then we'll get into some analysis.

Speaker 12 (19:36):
Yeah sure, well, look great to be with you. When
I had the privilege of speaking to Charlie last year
in London, he said to me that the UK needs
to get its mojo back. That was one thing I remembered,
amongst many things from my conversation with Charlie, and I
think this is going to be the tipping point Andrew
for the UK to finally pull it socks up and
get its mojo back, because what we saw with this case,
the murder of Henry Novak, it wasn't just a murder

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in the true sense. It was anti white, it was racism.
It was a dereliction of duty. What happened was long
story short. Henry young, eighteen year old lad bright future
ahead of him. He was on a night out with
friends in town. He'd had a few drinks, although he
wasn't drunk, he was below the legal drink.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Drive limit in the UK.

Speaker 12 (20:18):
He was walking back home to his house in Southampton.
At some point he came across a guy called vick
Ram Digwa, who was a twenty three year old. He's
a Sikh Indian chap also lived in Southampton, where Henry
was from, and at some point there was an exchange
of words late at night. Henry filmed Digwa on his

(20:38):
phone on Snapchat that he was saying that you're a
bad man, aren't You're a bad man. There was some
exchange of words and at some point after that, in
the minutes that followed, it ended up with poor Henry,
who again he's an eighteen year old boy. Somebody's mother,
somebody's son, somebody's brother. He was stabs five times by
Digwaller using his ceremonial sword, which is a kipper so

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in the United Kingdom, you're not allowed to carry a
knife anywhere. It's illegal, it's against the law. However, seeks
have a religious exemption. They're allowed to carry a knife
as part of their faith. So Henry is sliced five times,
including in the chest, he slashed around the face. He
tries to run off and scaled the fence and he's
got injuries to the back of his legs as well.

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And the police are called, not by Henry, not by witnesses,
but they're called by the killer's brother who claims that
Henry has levied racist abuse towards Digua. He tried to
throw his turban off his head and he called him
hersy racist names. So the brothers involved on the scene,
the killers still at the scene, filming Henry dying on

(21:42):
the floor. And you can see this is police body
cam footage on you. Now when the police turn up Andrew,
they instead of listening to Henry's please who is dying
on the floor. You can hear that the blood curgling
around to his mouth and lungs. He's saying, help, I've
been stabbed. I've been stabbed. I can't breathe. The police
officer because Digwa was there saying he's been racially abused.
The police officer is more concerned with the fact that

(22:04):
this guy may have been racially abused. He called a
name he wasn't by the way, it was founding caught.
Henry wasn't racist. There was a complete egregious lie. And
instead of listening to the dying last breaths of Henry
on the floor, who's saying I can't breathe I've been stabbed,
the copper says to him, I don't think you have mate,
and instead he cuffs Henry. In his dying moments you
can see on the screen now he's hand pale white,

(22:26):
and Henry's last moments on earth were being read his
rights by this police officer, saying you're under arrest. You
don't have to say anything. Anything you do say maybe
given an evidence. And those are the last words that
port what I heard on the floor. All because Andrew,
we have dangerous progressive race theory which has cut British
institutions police forces who are now more concerned about racism

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than the pleas of a dying boy on the floor
who's been slain in cold blood.

Speaker 9 (22:54):
Then it really it's been interesting to see this case
unfold because it's been happening over several weeks. The murder
happened months ago, but then the trial begins and just
the details start to trickle out, and it just feels
like at every step you almost couldn't You couldn't write
a television episode that would hit as many beats as
this does. The way he's the killer immediately knows we

(23:18):
need to create a story of racism and lie about
this in order to try to win the police over.
They literally delayed calling the police so they could work
out their story. The fact that they're caught on camera,
I believe, in the police car basically talking to each
other in Punjabi saying, yeah, I stabbed him, but we're
going to lie about this and here's our story. And

(23:39):
then the fact that he's carrying a knife. A normal
British person whose ancestors fought at the Battle of Hastings
can't carry that knife, but this immigrant group can carry
the knife that he used to kill them.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
And that was part of his defense.

Speaker 9 (23:51):
Yeah, it really feels like this is unleashed a political
movement in the UK that they're in dire need of.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Can you elaborate on that part.

Speaker 12 (23:58):
Yeah, and by the way, this was a family of
The mother came down and tried to hide the murder weapons.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
She tried to hide it.

Speaker 12 (24:03):
The brother was on the phone to the police on
nine nine nine saying they've been victim of racism. The
father then came down and man handled Henry's body and
just the way, poor Henry was dragged across the gravel
with blood filling his lungs.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
The police didn't bother to get first aid.

Speaker 12 (24:15):
And what we've seen this is a result of, as
I said, dangerous progressive race theory hampsher police. For example,
the Police Constant are re involved in this case. They
have a race action plan on their website which states,
verbasim I quote, the force will pursue offenders and deal
with offences that caused the most harm to ethnic minority communities.
So not all communities, not white communities, ethnic minority communities

(24:37):
communities specifically Essex police described white people as a non
protective group and a similar action plan. And what this
has done, as I said, this is the beginning of
the UK Geteia's mojo back. Thousands of people protesting on
the streets of Southampton last night skirmishers with police. The
anger is at tipping point. And you know what happened
when George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis. And by the way,

(24:59):
in no way of these two comparable George Floyd, a
drug addicts who held a gun up to a woman's
abdomen and a robbery Starmer, Kirs Starmer, the Prime Minister.
Everybody did who was cut took the knee. They took
the knee for George Floyd. What does Kis Starmer do today?
He gets up in Parliament and he has a go
at Nigel Farah's for who described the incident as horrific

(25:20):
and said that people should have cold rage in anger.
And Kirs Starmer took the knee for George Floyd, nothing
for Henry Novak. And he stood up today guys saying
he's focused the Prime Minister on what lessons need to
be learned. We'll let me tell you I'm tired of
hearing lessons. I said this on next earlier because they're
not learning the lessons. The government time after time is
repeating the same mistakes. We had multiple incidents in the

(25:44):
UK of recent years where police who in their bid
not to be racist or hurt people emotionally have allowed
atrocities to take place. Manstuurine, the bombing the Ariana Grande
concert where dozens of small girls were blown up by
a suicide bomber. The police officer who spotted that guy
on that incident was too afraid to approach him with

(26:06):
a dodgy looking backpack on his back because he thought
he'd be called racist. We've had the rape scandal, the
industrial rape of working class girls in Britain for decades
by Pakistani grooming gams.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Nobody got involved.

Speaker 12 (26:16):
Or stopped that because they're too scared of being called racist.
We had Valdo Kalakan, who was a mentally ill guy,
a black chap from Nottingham who went onto the street
and slaughter three people. Mental health services let him go
and allows him to commit those murders again. Two young
people slain in cold blood because they're afraid of being
called racist. Axel Ruder Bukana, the monster who went and

(26:37):
slaughtered those three girls at the Taylor Swift dance class
two years ago. He was allowed to carry on despite
warning signs because people were too afraid of being called racist.
And of course, illegal migrant boat invasion of Europe, tens
of thousands of illegals from the Third World allowed to
flood in. And you've got these lefty lunatics, the suicidal
empathy commies, and that's what they are allowing this to

(26:57):
happen and promoting it because somehow it's racist if you
want it to stop. So that's where we are. There's anger.
You can probably hear the anger in my voice. We're
sick of it and something has to be done.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
You know something that Blake said.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
You know, it's like the Brits, whose ancestors fought in
the Battle of Hastings have gotten short, short thrift in
this They've been they have been villainized, they have been
made the bad, bad guys. They are not a protected
class when the whole purpose this social compact between a
government and its people is that its citizens should come first.

(27:31):
And the UK strikes me as a case in point,
a case study of a country that has completely turned
its back on the social compact, the most fundamental duty
of a government. It has abdicated that duty. And are
we going to see accountability here?

Speaker 5 (27:46):
Ben?

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Are we going to see the police officers who failed
to administer first aid held accountable? Are we going to
see the politicians that wrote these policies in the first
place held accountability, held accountable. Are we going to see
kir Starmer held accountable?

Speaker 12 (28:00):
Well, Kiirs Starmer definitely will be held accountable at the
ballot box in a couple of years. I mean, labor
are losing in the polls, they're getting staughted. But do
you know what We've got this thing in Britain andrew
which is a shame which Charlie pointed out last year
where these tragedies happened, the Southport murders, the Manchester Arena bombing,
the seven to seven bombing, London Bridge attacks.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I was actually at London Bridge. Do you know what
we do?

Speaker 12 (28:20):
And I don't know if this is some sort of
inherent British trait where we're just trying to be nice
and polite. We mutter under our breaths, we get angry
for a few weeks and then we carry on and
then people like Kirs Starmer say, well there's lessons to
be learned. Or after the Ariana Grande suicide bombing some
years ago in Manchester, the theme was oh don't look
back in anger, don't look back in anger. Well, let
me tell you it's about the time we did look

(28:40):
back in anger and we started doing something about it.
The two the police officers involved, the one who said,
I don't think you have made there being investigated, but
they need to be prosecuted. Same with the family he
tried covering up.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, And you know there was somebody on X that
was like, well, we shouldn't politicize this, and Nigel farras
shouldn't politicize this. You're completely wrong. Actually this must be
politicized because it was politics that killed that young man.
It was politics that wrote the policies that allowed him
to be handcuffed while his murderer was given every benefit

(29:11):
of the doubt. It was politics that led to this.

Speaker 9 (29:14):
So what we want to dive into the protests which
have erupted here. So Britain, for Americans who don't understand,
Britain has a position the Home Secretary kind of the
chief cop, chief immigration enforcer, kind of a combination of
DHS and Attorney General.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I'm sure she's her name.

Speaker 9 (29:28):
This is the Labor government, Shabanha Ma Mood.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
So person is immigration.

Speaker 9 (29:34):
The person handling immigration forced me the kase named Shabana
Ma Mood. She also handles protests like this one. So
right now I want to flag she is threatening maximal
legal crackdown on the people protesting over Novak's death in
the Southampton area. And I just dug into her history
and a couple of things. First of all, last fall

(29:55):
she announced new policies that I believe have been implemented
to allow least to put conditions and restrictions on repeat protests.
So this is not violent protests, this is not in searction.
It's just protesting repeatedly. Because she says it intimidates or
spread spear among communities, I'm sure, I'm sure that will
be applied equally in this country. And in twenty twenty,

(30:18):
as a member of Parliament, she sent a letter after
George Floyd's death demanding that the British government ban exports
of riot gear cause that could be used by law enforcement,
so that it could not be used to contain riots
in the United States over George Floyd. So that's Britain's
Home Secretary right now. And the comparison I've heard, Ben

(30:39):
and you can respond to this. It feels like the
British government and British police view themselves as an occupying
foreign power handling an insurrection by a restive native population,
which is British people.

Speaker 12 (30:55):
Well, there's a long gone in conversation in the UK now,
which has been considered far right for a couple of years,
about whether you know Shabanama Mood is British. Although she's
got some controversy in my book, because although she's deemed
as the most right wing minister in the Labor Party
and the government right now, she's apparently trying to crack
down on a legal migration and so on, she's appearing

(31:16):
to do her part, she's trying to broker deals with
France and so on. I continually make the points that
Shabanama Mood some years ago was on the beaches of Lesvos,
the Greek island in eastern Europe where the legal migration
wave of Europe was starting. So all these people had
come through Turkey, through Africa, they.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Go through Lesvos.

Speaker 12 (31:37):
She was pictured on the beaches of Lesvos handing out
life jackets to illegal migrants and so on. So I
just don't see how now you can change your ideological
and even spiritual stance to such a point where on
one minute you're welcoming thousands of migrants through Europe and
the next minute you're in the UK government prancing around
trying to convince the British public that you are serious

(31:58):
about stopping illegal migration. Does stats speak for themselves. Since
labor took power, We've had seventy thousand illegal migrants flooding
through the UK's southern border. The government will keep saying
we're doing our best, We've got deportation deals, We've deported
so many people. The only people they're deporting are Vietnamese
nail bar workers, who no one really cares about, because
it's not the Vietnamese nail bar workers who are going

(32:20):
out causing jearhad and saying that they want to bring
down the West and.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
The United Kingdom.

Speaker 12 (32:24):
So I've had my concerns about Shavannah the mood for
some time, even just on the very basics politically, that
I don't know how you can change your ideology that
quickly at the click of a finger. I don't trust
her to source out the UK's migration problem, or indeed
protect the future of the UK's sovereignty and culture and identity,
which is what's under attack here is an attack on

(32:45):
British heritage, Britain in fifty years will not look anything
like it did when I was a small boy. It's
already changed exponentially in just twenty years. It will look
nothing like it did in a couple of decades if
we carry on the way we are. And I do
not trust anybody in this labor government right now. They
are social, they are at some of them commies. They
cannot be trusted to secure the future of our nation.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Ben Let's look ahead, right because obviously I agree with
you Labor as a disaster. They don't care about British heritage.
They'll give you lip service, they'll say, let's learn some
lessons here, but everything's going to continue on the way
it's been continuing on.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Basically, Let's be honest.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
We've got Reform, You've got some other conservative you know
parties that are kind of around the frame. How is
it shaping up? And who's actually do you trust to
deal with this? We we're friends with Nigel. We like Nigel.
I know he's reform is doing really really great in
the polls. But who's actually got the backbone to do

(33:43):
some deportation, some remigration because you got these Pakistani rape gangs.
These people need to go. Everybody with a brain knows this.
I'm just does the UK have that kind of spunk,
that mojo.

Speaker 12 (33:54):
Well, I've been saying for a couple of weeks now,
whoever takes the reigns of power in a couple of
years that the general election, and they'll need to look
at what's happened in the US with regards to mass deportations,
how Ice have handled it, what problems the White House
have had ie the process. The resistance Reform UK absolutely
wiping the polls. They've been leading every poll for the
past year and a half. They just won the local elections,
which are kind of like our midterms in the UK.

(34:16):
They slaughtered everybody politically. So yeah, as it stands now,
Nagel Fara's reform, they'll be taking government unless anything big
changes restore Britain. You've got Rupert Lowe who is a
former friend and MP of Nudgel Faraj. Excuse me, he's
a bit more right wing than Faraj is expected to be.
But they have said reform UK. They'll start a as
far as I remember, a UK version of ICE for

(34:38):
mass deportations, certainly at the very least of illegal migrants,
and then the other conversation is, as you mentioned, Andrew,
the Pakistani rap gangs, everybody in those communities who knew
what was going on, whether they were directly involved in
abusing white working class English girls or not, but they
knew what was going on and they said nothing. There's
an argument that even though they are British nationals, or
maybe dual nationals, they need to go as well. That's

(35:00):
where maybe it gets a little bit murky. Have we
got the spunk? I'll be completely honest with you, No,
I'm sorry. I don't think we have got the spunk.
You need something big needs to happen. Millions upon millions
need to go, and I don't think people are prepared
for it because, as you see in the United States,
you get into the weeds of it, you start doing
what needs to be done, and people bottle it.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
They get scared.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
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California and start building the future you deserve. I told
you we're going to talk a little Maha today, and
you know, I have to bring this up because it's
something that I've been thinking about for a long time,
and that is ozempic. Okay, ozepic. I know people that

(37:12):
have been on ozepic. I've known a lot of politicians
that have. I can just tell by eyesight a lot of.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
People have been. Okay.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
So as of today, over four thousand, four hundred lawsuits
have been filed in the US alone regarding what are
known as GLP one drugs like ozempic. I don't even
know how to say these other ones wigovi manjaro.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
I think that's how they're pronounced.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
As GLP one use moves from a niche treatment to
mainstream phenomenon, that number is going to explode.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
So what are these lawsuits about.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Well, they're citing a wide variety of health concerns ranging
from I kid you not, sudden vision loss, organ failure,
and even death.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
And I'm just those are some of the worst side effects.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Those are really.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Bad side effects. There are currently thirty one million Americans
taking gop one.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Medication thirty one million. Yes, like what America?

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Yeah, I don't know what you do the math Check
this out though, and and you guys will have noticed
what is now being referred to as ozempic face. Show
the graphic. Show the graphic ozempic face. There it is,
go full screen. I want to we need to see
the full glory.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
These people have it? Do we know? They're all?

Speaker 5 (38:33):
I think? So?

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, I mean I don't know. Allegedly, maybe they're just
really big gym rats. But that's essentially what it looks like,
even if they're not on ozempic themselves.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
That's what it looks like.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Okay, So here to help us discuss this issue that
is like exploding onto the American consciousness is senior health
advisor from bright Core. That's Ellie Hirsh. Welcome to the show, Ellie,
thank you, thanks for having me. So what causes uh
this and how bad are the health side effects of
GLP ones.

Speaker 13 (39:05):
Well, So, ozempic face is caused by that rapid significant
weight loss from the GOLP medications, like you said, like
ozempic and magovi and it causes the fat to vanish
so quickly from the face.

Speaker 14 (39:19):
And so this sudden depletion.

Speaker 13 (39:20):
It leaves the skin with a reduced elasticity, and then
you get the sagging and the hollow cheeks and the
sunken eyes, and your wrinkles are intensified because what happens
is the skin cannot shrink as fast as the fat disappears.
But honestly, ozempic face is probably the least of your
worries if you're taking one of these drugs. Like you said,

(39:42):
it's you know, not only causing vision loss and stomach paralysis,
complete organ failure, but now it's being linked to mood
and psychological disorders, anxiety depression, also a hair loss, especially
in women, pancreatic inflammation, and something called ozemp breath. So
I don't know if you've heard of that, but it's

(40:03):
a turn that they're using to describe this foul smelling breath,
kind of like a metallic taste, fishy smelling burps. And
you know, it's increasingly being reported these are not attractive
side effects.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Yeah no, yeah, I mean bad breath is basically like
the chief I think turn off in just normal human interaction.
But we're like, okay, so bad breath is one thing,
but the anxiety depression. That is probably the one thing
our country needs. Yeah, like another hole in the head,
pancreatic inflammation. But like that, we're having stomach paralysis. Okay,

(40:37):
so explain what like GLP ones even do. Right, there's
like I mean, basically, it is a paralysis of the stomach.
That's how it works, correct or the vowels.

Speaker 13 (40:48):
Yeah, So what happens is the GLP one drugs they
slow down your metabolism and your whole digestive process. So
that's why stomach paralysis is so common because sometimes it
slows your digestion so much it stops working completely and
then essentially forces you to go on a starvation diet,
leading to malnutrition, which, by the way, plays a big

(41:10):
part in that depression. So humans are not meant to
survive off five meals a year, right. This form of
weight loss causes you to lose more muscle than fat.
I don't know if you ever heard of skinny fat,
but that's kind of where.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
That comes from.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
This is what I've been thinking about with this for
a long time. I worry about your muscle. Your heart
is a muscle, right, A lot of muscles in your organs,
and it's causing you to lose muscle at some point.
And you mentioned osteoporosis I've seen is a big deal. Explain,
give me a case study of somebody that is dealing
with severe health side effects from GLP ones.

Speaker 13 (41:45):
Yeah, so you mentioned ozembic bones. I don't know if
you've ever seen what that actually looks like, but it is,
I mean, scroll stopping.

Speaker 14 (41:55):
Okay. Recently, a three year old woman she.

Speaker 13 (41:58):
Actually went viral because she was diagnosed with advanced oscioporosis
only after using ozepic.

Speaker 14 (42:03):
For one year.

Speaker 13 (42:05):
Right, we know that, you know, losing weight naturally it's
not easy, but diet, exercise, and something a lot of
people don't know is that there was actually a study
done that showed that people who are obese are missing
a couple of crucial probiotics within their gut that people
within a healthy weight you know, range possess and when
you have these specific strains in your gut, it can

(42:27):
make all the difference between being obese or being skinny.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
You know.

Speaker 14 (42:32):
The other thing I want to point.

Speaker 13 (42:33):
Out is just because you have a big oh there
it is, yes, so there is. That's the ozentpic bone.
I mean, look at the difference between the left and
the right. That is really scary, right, really really scary.
So that's what's happening to people. That's just one example.
People are dying and all they wanted to do was
lose weight.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
Right, So go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 14 (42:56):
Now it's okay.

Speaker 13 (42:57):
I was saying, you know, we can joke about ozepic
face and z epic breath and other things that it causes,
but when it comes to your health, these are serious,
serious issues.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
I mean, I've just always thought, like golp ones worth,
it's like it's too good to be true thing.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
And now we're starting to find out.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
And I always said, it's just a matter of time
till we find out what the side effects are. And
so what what's your recommendation for people that you know
are having some of these side effects or have tried
golp ones and then and that are no longer on them,
but they're worried about the health impacts that perhaps they experience.

Speaker 13 (43:31):
So first of all, I'd recommend going off of them,
but obviously work with your doctor and make sure you're
doing it the right way. But you don't have to
go on these glp ones at all, right, So Kimchi
Okay has those specific probat extrains that I was just
talking about. And tons of studies out there are showing
how effective eating kimchi really is.

Speaker 14 (43:52):
We know it's the king of fermented food.

Speaker 13 (43:54):
We know it has over nine hundred strains of beneficial bacteria.
If you look at Sauer Kraft for example, only twenty
eight strains. Right, it's a staple in the Korean diet.
They live six years longer, they have beautiful skin. We
know it reduces body fat by thirty one point eight percent.
There was a study about, you know, a significant reduction

(44:18):
of abdominal fat, especially in women more so and men.
And obesity is not just a sign of our health,
but it's really the totality of it. And I'm sure
you've heard about the gut microbion. It's a it's a
hot topic right now because it plays a huge part
in addressing the root cause of all of our health problems.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Well, Ellie, I brought that up with you before. There
was that article out of the Atlantic where it was like,
why can you Why could your dad in eighties eat
a big mac and not get fat?

Speaker 5 (44:47):
And you can't, And.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
It's it's literally it's the it's the gut. It's your
the health of your gut. So I'm a big believer
in this stuff. I want our audience to be healthy.
I want our audience to be understanding how to be
in charge of their own health. And honestly, modern food
has a lot of problems. You can eat healthy. It's
very expensive though, so if you're in and by the way,
when you're traveling, we travel a lot for this job.

(45:10):
I cannot control my diet when I'm on the road.
So everybody's got this challenge in America to deal with.
So we want to make sure this is available for everybody.
Put the graphic up here. This is bright Core dot
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Final twenty seconds to you sure.

Speaker 13 (45:52):
So the reason why we created kimchi one. You know,
kim she's not easy to eat, right. It has a
weird flavor, weird taste. So that's that's why the convenient
capsules we make are easy for daly use. You know,
there's virtually no sodium on store bought kimchi. We use
a cold process drawing method so it retains all the
fiber and nutrition of actual fermented kimchi one hundred percent

(46:14):
me in the USA, all natural, soy free. And I
do want to point out real quick to success stories
that we're hearing from people, and that's what we love
about it.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
I'm a huge believer in this. Please guys check it
out now. Elliot, great to see you again. We'll talk
to you soon.

Speaker 14 (46:28):
Thank you. Sounds good.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
We've got a special guest in studio and that is
doctor Joe Boot He's British. We've got two Brits on
the show and one day. I don't know if I
think that's.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Got to be careful with that. We've seen what's happening
with Brenton.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Yeah, I think that's that's against our rules here.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
But we wanted to have you on and because you
are going to be part of our Freedom Night, which
is a tradition that Charlie himself started. Now Pastor Lucas Miles,
who runs TPUSA Faith, has taken it over and he's
done amazing job. And you guys are going to be
meeting tonight having having a conversation here in Phoenix.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
So welcome to Phoenix.

Speaker 15 (47:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
It's great to be here. It's warm, it is warm, yeah,
you know, it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
It was kind of a normal temperature like up until
like three days ago, and I'm told that now now
begins the suck. Now begins, the the the the hot
months of the summer, which I actually really love. It's
great pool weather if you're into it. But a lot
of people end up leaving town for for cooler climbs.
But tell us, what are you going to talk about tonight?

Speaker 15 (47:31):
Well, I think to some degree that will be up
to Lucas directing the questions.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
Lucas ask you, But I.

Speaker 15 (47:36):
Think we'll be talking a bit about what is it
that really lies at the root of nationhood? And you know,
this whole tension we're in right now, I think both
in Europe, in Britain and in the United States around
what is it that constitutes the nation? Is there a
religious route to nationhood? Is it is it purely an

(47:58):
ethnic or a historical route? Is it merely propositional? This
is a big conversation that's going on.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
What what really makes Britain.

Speaker 15 (48:08):
Or America or what constitutes what lies at the foundation
of our unity?

Speaker 5 (48:14):
As will you believe lies the foundation?

Speaker 15 (48:17):
Well, I think biblically from a from a Christian standpoint.
I'm a Christian apologist, so I actually think that it's
God's covenant that lies at the foundation of nation that
if you want to look at what what what a
nation is? I think the best example is going to
Scripture and actually asking, well, when God constituted a nation,
how did he do it?

Speaker 5 (48:34):
Yeah, so how did he do it? Well?

Speaker 15 (48:37):
He called out a people out of Egypt, and the
scripture says they left a mixed multitude. The Hebrews left
Egypt a mixed multitude. In fact, Joseph was married to
an Egyptian, so two tribes of Israel, Ephraim and Manassa,
were half African, half African, not Hebrew. And of course

(48:57):
the people pick up along the way very various famous
gentiles like Rayhab and someone who end up in the
genealogy of Christ. So what really constituted Israel as a
people was faith and covenant, not skin tone or even
ethnic background. I mean even Abraham had eight sons, but
only one was the child of Promise. So what constituted

(49:19):
them was their religious worldview and their agreement with God,
their covenant with God, their oath in a sense, and
that's what lies at the root of the British nation.
That the Coronation Oath sixteen eighty eight, and of course
the presidential oath of office which used to be taken
on an open Bible to the Covenant in Deuteronomy twenty
seven to twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Well, it kind of reminds me of that famous line
from Ruth right where Ruth says, you know, do not
urge me to leave you or to return from following you.
For where you go, I will go, and where you large,
I will lodge. Your people should be my people, and
your God my God. And that kind of brings up
this idea of assimilation to me. Right, you see this,
we were just hacking in our one about this and

(50:00):
Renovac story.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
That's so tragic.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
You know, a British lad as you guys say, eighteen
years old, stabbed multiple times, the police cuff him, not
his murderer, And now there's a lot of tension going
on because I think a lot of Brits feel like
they've had enough of feeling like second class citizens in
their own country. So you guys got a huge assimilation issue,

(50:23):
just like we have in the United States now, and
it's getting bigger and larger and probably more problematic. So
what do you say as a Christian as an apologist?
Your book A Mission of God, by the way, it's
the subtitle I think is really apt, a manifesto of
hope for society. What's your message of hope for the
British society that's going through this ethnic racial strife right now.

Speaker 15 (50:46):
What our problem is that we've abandoned the foundation of
our nationhood, which was Christian commitment. It was there, as
you know in the UK, there's a soft establishment. The
Coronation commits the head of state to the advancement of
the law and Gospel of Christ.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
But we've the church itself.

Speaker 15 (51:05):
Not just the Church of England, but the churches across
the board have essentially abandoned the idea of a Christian nation.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Well, by the way the EU when it was Charter,
I believe there was a wrestle of whether or not
to say that Christianity or Christendom, and they opted out. Yeah,
they left it out of the EU char which to
me is just.

Speaker 15 (51:28):
It does say it all. And that's our problem with assimilation.
You see a culture that is confident and committed and
has a strong faith is able to assimilate small numbers
of people gradually. This yeah, and this is how Israel
did it. Of course, it was very small and people
had to if you look at what God's Law has
to say about all of this, they had to participate

(51:49):
in the covenantal celebrations. There was a long process to
assimilation into the community. Didn't just happen overnight. There were
certain requirements that had to be we've abandoned all of that.
It's not just illegal migration that's destroying the fabric of
the country.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
It's the mass.

Speaker 15 (52:07):
Yeah, it's the mass, legal migration from cultures that do
not share our fundamental religious commitment. Obviously, we know it's
not simply a case of skin color. Look at the
conflict between the Democrats and the Republicans. It's not a
conflict over.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Skinny and p Buddha Jeedge don't share much in common,
even though we share a skin exactly.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Yeah, I'm a little darker than him.

Speaker 15 (52:26):
But it's the religious route, it's the worldview issue, and
the multiculturalists have not understood that you cannot have more
than one god and more than one law governing a society.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Man man Okay, so Ben was talking about how maybe
the UK is going to get its mojo back, who.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
He actually wasn't that optimistic well.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
About he's not optimistic about deportations, which I genuinely think.
You know, the UK has been invaded, America has been invaded.
You know, we're arresting upwards of three thousand and thirty
five hundred illegals every day, which is a big number
when you tallied altogether. Do you think, I mean, you're
not a policy wonk. I don't want to ask you

(53:05):
about necessarily that. But the point is, you know what
must be done to correct the problem.

Speaker 15 (53:13):
Well, it's a bottom up and a top down. And
we've got it's almost like the perfect storm of difficulties.
So we've got a culture that's been abandoning the faith.
We've got families collapsing, and in Free for All, we've
got a demographic crisis, or what we would call a
demographic winter. We don't have enough children. We're not having
babies because we've destroyed the family. We've got a coalition

(53:35):
forlordability issues right well, and we've got a coalition of
the Marxist left and the Islamists who have come together
in this hostility to our culture and civilization. So there
needs to be grassroots renewal of the family at fundamentally,
which requires religious worldview renovation in a sense, and at

(53:56):
the same time that the surface level and it has
to be done. We've got, as you know, these rape
gangs running that have been you know, in major You've
got ten mayors of major cities on Muslim in the UK,
so you know there's this kind of suicide and mom Donnie.
So yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
So if you want to hear more from doctor Job,
but I mean we could talk for an hour. It's
already apparent to me founder and president the EZRA Institute
and EZRA Institute dot com. If you want to check
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with Pastor Lucas Miles, we'll be streaming that everywhere. Please guys,
check this out. This is going to be a really

(54:33):
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Second brit against our Rules. Looking the show's improving.

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(56:20):
Oran McIntyre Show. You can check him out on Exit.
Orn McIntyre, Oran, welcome back to the show. It's good
to have you.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
Thanks for having guys.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
So there's so many ways we could directions we could
go with you, Oran, because you do think about the
big issues of the day, and I guess, like, if
I had to sum it all up, we had these
primaries last night. We had a great result in Iowa,
a turning point action endorsed gy. We had at the
top of the show Zach Lane, who's talking about affordability.

(56:50):
He's talking about MAHA and MAGA like keeping it together.
He's talking about homes for for Iowa kids that have
been forced to leave in generations past, about cancer rates.
And then we see what's happening in New Jersey where
we have this basic militant force that's fighting us at
every turn to get basic enforcement of immigration laws back

(57:11):
on the table. You have Henry Novac in the UK.
All of these forces, they feel like civilizational defining forces
that are clashing and colliding all the time. And the
question I sort of have right now is do we
have the coalition that can save the West?

Speaker 5 (57:28):
And if we don't, it's too late.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Why don't we because the forces arrayed against us are
so vast and so demonic that we need to stick together.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
So it's a big question.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
I'm sorry to throw it at you like that, or
but do we have what it takes to fight back,
and if we don't, what's standing in our way and
how do we get there?

Speaker 11 (57:48):
I think what is ultimately standing in our way is
the definition of the civilization that we want, what we're
actually fighting for. I think before we knew that we
didn't want what the left was offering. They don't want
men and women's sports. We don't want people mutilating children.
We don't want you know, these different degenerate forces, you know,
force down on us. We don't want the open borders,

(58:09):
the immigration that has been crushing our nation, but we
didn't really have an understanding of where we wanted the
country to go. I think a lot of people looked
at Trump as a general attack on a system that
was not doing its job. And when we look at
what's happening in the UK and what's happening here, we
can recognize the system that has failed its population entirely

(58:30):
and doesn't seem very worried about that. So we recognize
Trump as that actor that wants to smash through those
barriers and make America great again, restore it to something
we know that we've lost the problem is, I think
we have a difficulty in knowing exactly what we lost
because of all the different types of propaganda and discussions
and everything else that has happened around American identity. What

(58:52):
makes America? Is it just some set of ideas? Is
it just a geographic boundary? Is an economic system?

Speaker 7 (58:57):
Is it?

Speaker 11 (58:58):
Heritage?

Speaker 7 (58:58):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (58:59):
Faith?

Speaker 8 (58:59):
Is it t tradition?

Speaker 13 (59:00):
Is it?

Speaker 11 (59:01):
All of these things to some extent? And because we
haven't done very much work on that, and I think
our enemies have done a great job at dismantling that
we're in this constant situation where we're pushing back against them,
but we're also kind of internally struggling to figure out
where we're going.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
I think that's really smart. And you know, you think
about Trump. I like to describe Trump as like this
guy that came on the scene. Remember when he came
down the Golden Escalator. What was he like, sixty eight
sixty nine something like that. He was young enough to
still have the vitality to fight the fight, and he
was old enough to remember an America that was significantly better.

(59:36):
It was significantly more unified, significantly stronger in basically every
conceivable way.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
You know.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
But he's also reverting. He remembers a greatness of a
country that no longer exists. Demographically, we are wildly different.
From a religious standpoint, we're wildly different. From a debt standpoint,
we're wildly different. The geopolitical order is in a different place.
So it's it's sort of how do you translate that

(01:00:03):
memory of what we were? You think about nineteen seventy six,
the bi centennial, how do you translate that to the
two fifty And that is a really interesting conundrum a question,
and so I guess, like, you know, what do where
if you had to define it, or where are we going?
Where should we be going? What is the north star?

Speaker 11 (01:00:22):
I think the trick is remembering that all traditions have
to be living traditions. There's a mistake that conservatives make
where they want to freeze the past in place and
return to that spot, be it the nineteen fifties or
the nineteen nineties, or whatever past moment they thought America
was at its apex.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
I'm guilty at the same in both of those decades.

Speaker 11 (01:00:42):
Yeah, it's very it's very normal, and there are great
things to notice about those decades. Are But the trick
is a tradition is lived, it is continuing forward, and
so you have to integrate what America was with what
America is and what it will be, And so we
can reckonize greatness in the nineteen fifties or the nineteen nineties,

(01:01:03):
but also recognize that America is going somewhere, and that
if we want to go the correct direction, we have
to steward that legacy. We have to take the best
of the past, but we also need to address the issues.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Of the present.

Speaker 11 (01:01:15):
So in ways that we can look back, we can
see that in the nineteen fifties, perhaps there was a
stronger family culture, there was a stronger desire for people
to have families, to grow families. What creates that, well,
it's in many ways the prosperity after World War Two.
So when we talk about that affordability, when we talk
about that, we can't just say, oh, well, we want

(01:01:36):
the nineteen fifties back. We have to recognize what made
the nineteen fifties possible. Manufacturing booms, the ability of the
average man to get a job and care for a
family on one income.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
These are things that the.

Speaker 11 (01:01:48):
GOP would never have touched a decade or two ago,
and now they are more and more at the center
of discussions.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
I think that's a good start.

Speaker 11 (01:01:55):
In getting us back on the track of recognizing how
to weave the past into our future.

Speaker 9 (01:02:00):
Well, so now Urn, we've got going the other direction.
Stuff the party used to touch but is now apparently
not touchable.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
So you've been tweeting quite a bit.

Speaker 9 (01:02:10):
We're in the Month of Pride, as we are every
year in June, and there's been a lot going on.
And yesterday Representative Andy Ogles, who's been a friend of
this program, he had a tweet where he said, very bluntly,
homosexuality has no place in America. Happy Nuclear Family Month.
But then a few hours later the tweet was deleted.

(01:02:33):
He made a post saying basically just saying it was
a subordinate who made this tweet, definitely not me. He's
been reprimanded and it was stupid, and some other Republicans
were even coming out and kind of dunking on him
and saying, I'm libertarian. I actually, you know, we've always
had this in America and it totally has a place
in America.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
And your tweet is great.

Speaker 9 (01:02:55):
Yeah, your response where you just say, where where's the employee?
Can we vote for that guy? But more generally, can
you unpack first of all, how should we approach this
Pride Month issue and LGBT stuff LGBT stuff generally, And
is this a worrisome sign that I think we might
be having Republicans forget the lesson of Trump, which is
kind of don't apologize for being based.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Basically this is true.

Speaker 11 (01:03:18):
However, of course, Donald Trump was the guy who carried
the gay price flag on to the stage, you know,
so true. Trump is in some ways a first mover
in this problem. But yeah, ultimately I think that a
lot of Republicans are still operating in this idea that
we've kind of declared this neutral space when it comes
to discussing any form of sexual morality or family formation

(01:03:38):
or any of these things. We know we don't want
men and women's sports, but generally we should just leave
people alone. The truth is that, as you say, the
Republican Party used to be much better on this because
it actually directly contradicts the Christian religion, which we should
all be upholding, and so we shouldn't be scared to
say that this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Is not a good lifestyle.

Speaker 11 (01:03:57):
Now, that doesn't mean we have to run around and
arrest everybody who ends up dating another man or something.
But ultimately, this should not be encouraged, and I should
be something that's normalized. It's not healthy, it's not good
for people. It is also just morally incorrect, and so
these should be things that we are allowed to push
back against, we shouldn't be ashamed against. And it's very

(01:04:17):
disappointing to see a representative that otherwise has had a
pretty promising career, promising future lots of good rhetoric back
away on something like this, because it shows weakness when
you really look at what happened. There was a point
at which there it did seem like homosexuality was being
normalized on the right, but that has fallen off. We
are seeing that more and more Republicans, conservatives, and even

(01:04:39):
the newer generation are looking at homosexuality and saying, maybe
we should not have gone this far with the acceptance
of this. So I think it's a bad read of
the direction that the base is going, and even the
general population is going. There are going to be more
and more gender radicals, but I think there are more
and more people recognizing that that came from somewhere, and
it was the acceptance of the initial homosexual push.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Yeah, and I one note here on Andy Ogle's he's
he is super based, he's really good on immigration.

Speaker 9 (01:05:06):
The only Camp member of Congress I've ever heard use
the word libtard and he said it on this show.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Yeah, and he wants an immigration moratorium. He wants to
roll back the hard seller like he's a good I
think why they deleted it, and this is what I
want to say, is because he said it has no
place in America. And I think one of the things
that I've noticed, especially in like the trans issue, if
you start pushing back on trans, they think like.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
Oh, it's an existential cry. You want to eliminate me
or lock me up.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
And it's like, I think, what's helpful here is just
to explain to people I agree with everything you said,
or by the way, just for the record, but it's like,
we're not trying to like Handmaid's Tail, everybody okay, or
you know, pushing a Chastis bill or locking in a
cage if you happen to be gay.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
That's not what I say.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Mixed it with three words. If he'd said the promotion
of yes.

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
And this is the key.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
The issue is it went from tolerance you must tolerate it,
you must accept it. Now you must celebrate it, and
guess what, now your kids must participate in it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
That's the line.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
We're not promoting it, we're not celebrating it, we're not
participating in it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
But you are free to do your own.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Degeneracy if you want, as long as you don't bring
it into my house or my neighborhood or with my kid.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
And that's I think that's an important.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Distinction that we need to make in this conversation, because
you know, it becomes this they think you're gonna like
lock them all up or something, so orin.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
Let's take stop.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
There's a lot of black pilling out there. There is nihilism.
There is and by the way, I'm gonna rip you
off on this, but I'm gonna give you an attribution
when appropriate, and this will be one of those types.
But the taxonomy of the right, Okay, I added a fifth.
You put four, but I added a fifth. You've got

(01:06:48):
the neo cons You've got the trust the planners, You've
got the dissidents. Those are people that will not vote Democrat, right,
but they'll hold the feet to the fire of the
politicians in charge, including President Trump. Then you got the
small l libertarians, and that came to the flour with
the Massy fight in Kentucky. Right, A lot of them
are demoralized and they don't They probably aren't going to

(01:07:09):
show up unless something changes. And then you got the accelerationists.
That's the Vote DEM because we need to burn it
all down. We don't like what happened in Iran. Okay,
Vote DEM will remake the party in our image. Okay,
So I add five groups to the makeup of the
composition of the right, be honest, the grading of President Trump,

(01:07:33):
and the right. What needs to happen, how's it going,
and what needs to happen ahead of the midterms.

Speaker 11 (01:07:38):
Well, I think we saw an awesome beginning from the
Trump administration. Trump Trump turned two looked absolutely insane, better
than anything I could have expected when we first saw
that action take and the executive orders were coming in
fast and hard. And this is what Machiavelli actually says
about the conquering prince. He should constantly keep his enemy

(01:08:00):
in awe.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
He should be.

Speaker 11 (01:08:01):
Constantly moving, constantly doing impressive things, keeping them on their
back feet, so there's absolutely nothing they can do. And
I think that's what the Trump administration looked like at first.
I think they had a great plan when it came
to the executive orders. It became very clear, however, that
they did not have a plan to deal with the
Republican Congress. Our greatest stumbling block is the fact that
we owned theoretically all of the necessary parts of government

(01:08:23):
and still could not move the ball sufficiently. Some of
that is on the Trump administration, some of us is
on the Republican Party. The point is, either way, it
did not get done. And then when we didn't seem
to beginning as much done domestically, we had obviously the
tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk. We had the start of
all of the different protests that came with ice and everything,

(01:08:45):
the bad optics that came with the different shootings that
occurred there. Then we had the Iran War, and it
has been a number of distractions that pulled us away
from that moment where Trump was just running over everything,
leaving the Democrats no quarter.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
And I think we need to.

Speaker 11 (01:09:02):
See a return to that energy. I think it's very
clear the Trump administration is doing its best to get
itself out of a very difficult situation in Iran. I
think if they're able to do that in a short
amount of time. That will give them the ability to
refocus and control the narrative because the.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Trump administration is still doing good things.

Speaker 11 (01:09:19):
We are still seeing improvements when it comes to immigration,
when it comes to what refugees are allowed in the
United States, how many H one.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
B's are issued.

Speaker 11 (01:09:27):
There are victories occurring, but they're hard to see through
all of the difficulties, the Epstein files, everything that was
kind of mishandled in that interim, and so you need
to see a refocus on the domestic agenda. We need
to stop getting sound bites about how Donald Trump doesn't
care about the price of gasoline or the price of housing.
He has to care. Sorry, I don't care what's happening Iran.

(01:09:48):
I care what's happening to the people here in the
United States, and he has to make it clear he
does too. I think if we can get those domestic
priorities back and get those winning storylines back, because they
are still occurring, that will be a big show.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
But that's the big if.

Speaker 9 (01:10:02):
And it feels like such a struggle where how do
you overcome the It feels like a psychological block where
we can recite the domestic wins until we're blue in
the face and it feels like there's a large blob
of people.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
And they're just pissed.

Speaker 9 (01:10:15):
They want to be mad, they want to be black pilled,
they want to say, that's all all irrelevant. I actually
only care about this foreign policy stuff. And frankly, in
some cases it seems they actually only care about dumping
on the United States the way a left winger would,
where they'll say, the US is the problem with this world.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
We need an alliance with third world Islamists or whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:10:38):
We know there's people out there, and how do you
bring those people, if not back on side, at least
stop them from actively aligning with people who hate us.

Speaker 11 (01:10:47):
Well, I don't think you have to stop every one
of these people. Look, I'm sorry, I'll just invoke the name.
I don't think Nick Fuint is going to be on
side anytime soon, so you can just kind of lose
the notion that that's going to happen. I think what
you really need ultimately is to overwhelm them with success.
We can talk about these incremental wins, and they are
important and they matter, and I think that they should
get more publicity.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Than they do.

Speaker 11 (01:11:08):
But ultimately you need to give that feeling of momentum.
Your winds have to be so overwhelming that no one
can help. But notice, I think that was the case
early on with the Trump administration, but again, due to
the failure of certain procedural mechanisms, we've gotten bogged back down.
It looks like the Trump administration went from having a
small revolution inside the government, destroying the deep state, going

(01:11:31):
after the bad actors, to trying to just govern the
apparatus that was there. And I think people felt that shift,
along with, of course all the other things that the
Trump administration couldn't control that ultimately did you add to
this problem. So I think that you have to regain
that momentum. You have to stop worrying about trying to
discipline every single actor. They'll like you when you win,

(01:11:54):
When you win overwhelmingly where it's no longer something they
can deny, they will then be on yourself because they
were bandwagon in the first place, and believe, back on
the bandwagon. When it's rolling, you can control the bandwagon.
So get it moving.

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
I think that's smart.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
You know, we had a guest in studio yesterday and
after the show I started listing off all the domestic wins,
and it was kind of like WHOA, Like, why don't
we talk about that more? I was like, you know,
murder rate lowest has been since nineteen hundred. We got
three thousand arrests in the interior every day, maybe thirty
five hundred on some days. We've got you know, tariffs
that are bringing back manufacturing directly. We're we're actually got

(01:12:31):
a closed border. DEI is out of the government. We've
cut more jobs in the federal government three hundred and
fifty three hundred and sixty six thousand, the lowest federal
employment since nineteen sixty six.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
These are big, big wins, and we.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
Need to go harder, but we need to also talk
about them a lot more and not give into the
doomerism or McIntyre.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
You're the man.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
We love having you on, great thinking, great analysis. As always,
we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 8 (01:12:53):
Thanks a good guys.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
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