What if courage doesn’t begin with trying harder—but with remembering who you are?
In this episode of Called Beyond, Tim is joined by Jamie Winship and Norris Williams for a conversation rooted in Romans 8:15–17 and centered around on one critical question for all of us to consider:
What are you afraid of right now?
Together, Jamie and Norris explore the difference between living from fear and living from the freedom of our identity as sons and daughters of God. They unpack how fear fuels performance, self-protection, and false identity—and how the Spirit of adoption invites us into a different way of living marked by truth, humility, freedom, and courage.
This conversation is for anyone who feels stuck in striving, weary from performing, or unsure how to hear God’s voice in the middle of ordinary life. If fear has been shaping your decisions more than you’d like to admit, this episode offers a better starting point: not proving yourself to God, but receiving from the Father who already calls you his own.
In this episodeFear closes us off to God, to others, and even to ourselves. But the Spirit of adoption tells a different story. When we live from our true identity as sons and daughters of God, we no longer have to perform, protect, or prove ourselves. Courage grows as we receive what is true and trust that God is with us.
Featured GuestsJamie Winship has spent decades helping people discover their true identity, overcome fear, and navigate conflict with wisdom and courage. A former law enforcement officer, his work has taken him from local communities to some of the world’s most challenging conflict regions. Today, Jamie coaches leaders across business, government, education, sports, and ministry. He is the author of Living Fearless and The War of Worldviews, and co-founded Identity Exchange with his wife, Donna.
Norris Williams has spent more than five decades helping people discover their true identity and live with greater freedom, courage, and purpose. As part of Novo’s global partner team, he works alongside national leaders around the world, helping identify, develop, and support disciple-making movements. With experience spanning agriculture, professional sports, ranching, biblical studies, and mentorship, Norris brings a rare blend of wisdom, humility, and practical insight to his work.
Related ResourcesTo learn more about Novo and our work to spark and sustain movements of the gospel among the nations, visit our website. You can also follow us on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube.
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