Most cybersecurity conversations obsess over tools, threats, and tech. But what if the real evolution is happening in the human layer, a shift most in the industry aren’t used to seeing?
In this episode, BISO and industry voice Olivia Phillips join Nate and Lior to redefine what effective security leadership looks like in the age of AI. Olivia shares insights from behavioral science, organizational psychology, and decades of cyber experience, revealing why influence without authority, real transparency, and emotional intelligence are now core cybersecurity capabilities. She also discusses the future impact of quantum, the shift toward value-driven security investments, and why trust is earned, not given.
Impactful Moments: 00:00 — Introduction 01:00 — What is a BISO 03:00 — AI, quantum, and the next era 05:30 — Building influence without authority 09:00 — Security ROI: “Show me the value” 11:00 — Ego, communication, and human dynamics 14:00 — Trust: hard to earn, easy to lose 17:00 — How real AI adoption happens 22:00 — If Olivia got 25% of her time back 29:00 — Transparency, feedback, and leadership growth 34:00 — Chaos, creativity, and the “cyber misfit” mindset
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