Ep.20 - Ray Lugo - Shit My Dad Taught Me

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Fired up. Let's go.
Here we go. Shit my dad taught me.
Shit, my dad taught me. We are in studio today with Ray
Lugo. Welcome, Ray.
Thank you, Chris. Thanks, Jamie.
Thanks for coming buddy. So happy to have you, man.
We have a tradition where we started off with a ChatGPT
intro, OK? It's our way of phoning it in,
but still looking like we prepared for the day.
So ChatGPT says about you, Ray. It says Ray Lugo is the founder

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of The Journey of the Crow, a transformative of mind body
experience that weaves together breathwork, elemental rhythm,
ice baths and sound therapy. With a calm, grounded energy,
Ray guides individuals into deeper self-awareness and
emotional release through practices that are as ancient as
they are effective. Wow.
So far so good. So.

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Far so good. Known for holding powerful, safe
space, Ray's sessions are about reconnection to self, to
stillness, and to strength. Whether you're battling stress,
grief, burnout, or simply seeking A deeper sense of
clarity, Ray creates a setting where breath becomes medicine,
the body becomes teacher, and transformation becomes
inevitable. Bingo.

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No jail time, no criminal record.
What, that? This is kind of boring.
That's pretty good. Pretty clean.
Tell us about what you do right so.
I'm right now focused on breath work.
That's kind of like my main thing.
It's trying to bring all the elements of resetting the
nervous system and trying to offer people that safe space
where they can come and release.A lot of the emotions are always

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trapped, trapped in the body, trapped in the fascia, and then
also trapped in our subconscious.
So through breath work, through ice bath and through music, we
can realign and reconnect with that sense of of of belonging,
of being and understanding that we are loved above everything
else. That we have to focus on self
love, which has nothing to do with narcissist traits right

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now. We have to separate that self
love is understanding that we need sometimes to sit with the
emotions. We need to release the emotions
that we have, but we have to sitwith them first, analyze them,
let them be with us, right? So grief, happiness, excitement,
anxiety, everything so and through breath we regulate,
right? If if you see the the ancient

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connection of words with breath and in Greek, the same word for
breath is the same word word forspirit, which is pneuma, right?
So it means that we breathe in spirit.
That's that our connection to tothe oneness of God, right?
So basically it's that it's allowing people to be in power
to show them that you don't needanybody else to heal you but
yourself. What is the journey of the Crow?

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So the journey of the Crow is isme.
It's kind of my story how everything begins.
Probably around 4 years ago I had a near death experience.
I was a family trip during COVIDin Tobermory, pretty cold.
We went with some friends and wewere going to be there for four
or five days, so we decided to go to the grotto.

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Kind of typical plan, everybody sitting out, spread out, and a
friend of mine goes in, he goes for a swim, He swims all the way
to the grotto. He comes back and he says, hey
guys, you got to go check out The Cave.
It's a pretty cool space. So his wife and I are like, OK,
let's swim, let's do it. I haven't, you know, done
anything in a while. And she's like, I'm every day at
6:00 in the morning doing my calisthenics.
I'm ready for this. OK, let's go.

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So before that the sun, like theday was sunny, like sunshine,
beautiful. The water is crystal clear,
pretty cold. And it was like a nice
environment, all flat plateaued.So OK, nice, nice, nice
opportunity to go for a swim. So we go in, jump in and then we
see him like to a first stage where there's like a little
entrance, like a like a first cave kind of thing.

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We take a breath, we go up, we start checking out all these
things. And by that time I was working
in the bank. I was like a nine to five guy.
I had all this completely detachment of what you would say
the spiritual world, right? Or being in touch with myself.
So we start swimming, we do this, we take a break, we
breathe. And then when we're going to
jump back in to go around the grotto into The Cave, it's like

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the sudden perfect storm align, right?
The day got Gray. The waves, like the lake started
to have waves, which I hadn't seen in my life before.
And I used to surf, you know, back in South America before
moving to Canada. And I've never seen the behavior
of water in this way. So I'm swimming, trying to go.
I'm OK. I'm starting to feel numb out.
My body's trying to get, you know, a little bit of warmth,

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but I can't. And then I see my friend's wife
coming back with her goggles, you know, all flipped up because
of the water chopping. And she's like, I can't, I can't
swim. I can't feel my body.
And I'm like, OK, if she comes to me right now, we're both
going to drown. So I tell her to start going
towards the rock, right, and go over there and I'll try to see
if I can get some help. At this point, I'm thinking I
still have energy and I'm going to save the damsel in distress,

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whatever. So I start to float right at the
at that same spot and I start towave to people that are jumping
from the Cliff and they don't hear me.
Like this is weird. Then I turn around and there's a
boat where the divers that go underneath the the grotto with
with the scuba tanks are also kind of like giving the rules
and, you know, checking their tanks and I'm trying to yell at

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them, but the waves keep on getting higher and higher and
higher. At this point, I'm already kind
of gassed out. I have screamed like for help,
like, I don't know, more than 10times and I have no air left and
suddenly my body just crashes. Like I just feel my hand trying
to move it as fast as I can and I see it move in slow mode
underwater like, OK, this is bad.
I can't move. I can't feel my body and I can't

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breathe because I'm feeling out of breath right now.
I'm gassed out completely. At that point.
It just felt like the the currents underneath started to
pull. And that's the moment where I
just kind of panic. I'm like, OK, I'm going to
drown. I'm going to die here right now
in the middle of, you know, a family trip, you know, and all
these things start to happen andpop through my mind at that last
moment. It was just like, I need to give

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up because I can't swim anymore,right?
It's one of those things where you're like, you come to the
realization that you're going todie.
Like I'm not ready for this. I'm not ready to let go of life.
So at that .2 waves hit me. And then I just decide like, I
just go underneath, go under. And then the struggle begins,
right? Like while I'm coughing, water
comes in back and forth. I'm trying to swim, moving my

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legs inside. Nobody hears.
I can't scream at that point because everything that I do is
just swallowing, swallowing water.
And there was a moment where I was like, you know what, Just
let the fear go away. And if it's going to happen,
it's going to happen. Just kind of, you know, it
reminded me of those decisions you used to take when you were a
child that you're like, OK, let's, let's, let's go ahead and
jump from the Cliff or do these things and you're like, ah, you

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get that courage to just do it. So there was like a courage to
just surrender, to just let things happen.
And if it's going to happen, it happens.
So I think my friend's wife, thelast thing she sees when she
makes it to the rocks, as she turns around and she just sees
my hand going under the water and that's it.
Once I was underneath, that's the battle.
I could just start to hold your breath as much as you can, but

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then there's a point you can just lose it, right?
Breathe, You try to breathe in and then just water comes in.
So that was like, for a short second, a battle there, I don't
know, 10 seconds after that, it was like a complete silence.
Like I just surrendered to everything.
It was a way of even before going underwater, my last words
were I'm sorry. And that was it.
I don't know why, but it was something like just looking up

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and trying to not drown and I'm sorry.
And then I just went down and it's like, OK, I'm going to die.
So during that process, it's like time became still.
There was no, no noise, literally the same sensation of
being underwater, but it was deeper than that.
And there was just like a pause and there was no pain.

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I suddenly stopped feeling everything, like I didn't feel
my body anymore. I didn't feel cold.
I didn't feel anything was just like a stillness of a moment
where mirrors just started to flash.
Like moments of my life right now, like being with my family
when I was a kid, parents like friends at school, university,
like everything was just poppingup.
And it was a feeling that suddenly I was just overwhelmed

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with the feeling of love that I felt that everything was going
to be OK, everything was going to be fine.
And I wasn't there. It was somewhere else, right?
And in that, somewhere else I kind of received, it's like you
don't hear things, but you just feel them, right?
In a way I don't like. It's hard to explain it.
And, and, and I felt that there was something greater that we're
here to fulfill the purpose, right?

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And it's like, if you're not doing what you're supposed to be
doing, then why are you here? And then suddenly it was like a
very, very subtle voice that just whispered swim.
And then I felt the pull coming out of my like something just
kind of allowed me to feel body again, which was really painful.
And that kind of pulled me out of the water and pushed me all

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the way to allow me to swim again to like at the rocks where
I could. I barely make it get up there.
And then I kind of passed out throwing up water for a while.
And people came with like a big thing.
I was purple, you know, hypothermia, everything else.
And I do remember that one of the most shocking things was to
come back to the body because I felt a pain that I haven't felt.

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It's like somebody would have shoved my soul into the, the
meat suit, right? And it was feeling so, so like
so many nerves, right? Like things that you would never
feel before coming back online. And it was horrible.
I was like, oh, no, I want to goback to that space where I was
right now, where you feel just completely like empty of
everything. You just in the moment of like,

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it's, it's like an eternal moment, something hard to, to
explain. So after that, a lot of things
started to happen in my life. I think people call it in the
spiritual community, spiritual awakening, right?
It's like becoming aware of like, what am I doing in my
life? What is this message that I
receive? What should I be doing?
And at that time, I had stopped doing everything that I did with

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music. I had stopped kind of like being
part of a groups because of the pandemic situation.
There was a lot of segregation and a lot of fighting and
division. So all that cost me to kind of
go and hide, right? Like in The Cave and just didn't
want to be with society. I was kind of affected by
everything, even family, right? Like everything was so delicate
at that time because everybody had a decision to make, right?

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It's either this or that or you believe in this or you believe
in that. It was like, so I kind of
withdrew myself from the from the equation.
And that I think was the the worst thing.
It's like once things started toflow later on, I noticed that we
all have a purpose of being here.
And that's just to be that's just to exchange energy to be

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with each other to to share our experience, right, to mirror
ourselves and to be part of that.
And if we're not doing that, then what's the purpose of being
here? Like we have something unique,
everybody. And that's what we all have to
share. It's, it's just being there.
Sometimes some people it's like,oh, we're human beings, not
human doers, right? Just by being, it's kind of like

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who your essence is and what you're supposed to be there for
the world and how you can share like the tools and the gifts
that you've been granted with right.
So a lot of things happened after that.
I thought it was a religious moment, this Holy Spirit coming
and this or that. So I, I joined like a
Pentecostal church in Christianity.
I was playing with the band and going back to music, like trying

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to find myself. Then a lot of Bible reading
scripture. That kind of was the first time
that I got into reading something that was not your
typical, your average reading, right?
And then I guess because of the different generations and like
our parents were very into the belief of things, right?

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So we always as kids want to do the opposite of what our parents
do. So I was kind of like the black
sheep of the family, rebellious,the only boy, two sisters, and I
was always doing everything against what was supposed to be
the rules. So never had any, like, I think
I was, I didn't feel attracted to reading things that were
religious because I didn't believe in that.

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But at that point a friend of mine came, he was part of the
church and this or that. And he said something that just
crossed, you know, my mind and, and, and it was intense.
And it was one of the scripturesof, of the book of John.
And I kind of planted a seed andI'm let me debate this.
So I started to read because he's like, well, if you want to
debate, debate God, right. And I'm like, Oh, you're
bringing Bible things now to, totalk.

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That was good. And that kind of opened up the
curiosity. So that opened up a Pandora's
box, which led me to not only study Scripture in the way it
was, but let's go to the origins.
Let's go to the Greek translations.
Let's go to the Aramaic where you know, whatever we can find
in the past, because there were things that sometimes you start
to feel this like this discernment, you start to build

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it and you start to kind of question also like the pastors
and people. It's like, well, but how about
this contradict this and this orthat?
And there's no they, they never want to give you an answer, like
a clear answer about things. And that that just kind of
awakens more your curiosity intogoing deeper and figuring out
like, OK, let me go to then likethe Torah and let me go to other
books that tie this to the Bible, kind of figuring that

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story. So Long story short, I ended up
kind of defying the church. I got, you know, this kind of
attitude where they're like, if you're not with us, you're
against us, right? And anything that you might
practice that doesn't align withthis, then it's doing a
witchcraft or it's, you know, it's what do you call it blasted
me if you're talking about things.

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So that was a pretty intense trip itself.
It was almost like the next eight months of of what happened
after the near death experience.And after that I just got deeper
into going into esotericism, right?
Like esoterica. Let's read things that have a
little bit more of explanations that align with what I'm
resonating with. What's what's my truth?

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What, what do I think about things like what is God for me?
What are these things? So it's like started to explore
and go deep in other things. So reading, you know, Samarian
tablets like Book of Toth, the keep, the Kevalian and all these
books that talk about, you know,the oneness, the rule of 1 and
why are we here and all these things.
And then you start seeing kind of like all the all the flaws

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that society has with religions and all these beliefs that have
been imposed to just in the end,control.
It's just control, power, control, right?
And do it if they do it through fear.
So a lot of that allowed me to start tapping into things that
you start going within, right? You start kind of meditating,
you start doing other things that bring you closer.

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So while doing that, reconnecting with music and
trying to do these things, my back gave in again.
I had 10 years ago a surgery fora herniated disc.
Then ten years later it happenedagain.
At this point, like my whole sciatic nerve was pinched, like
my leg was not working. I had constant pain, went to the

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medical system and that was my, my other rabbit hole through,
you know, the medical system, what's going to happen?
Like, can I depend on it? Can I not?
And at that time, I was still trusting a little bit certain
things, right? Like I knew because of pandemic,
there were a lot of red flags here and there on what's
happening with, with, with, withthe medical industry, with the
Pharmaceutical industry. It's like, this doesn't sound

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OK, This, this, this sounds pushed, this sounds this way.
So start doing my research, start trying to get a little bit
of clarity on who's going to do what, what doctor's going to
treat what. And then for some reason I get
lost within the whole list, right?
Like we can't see you. It's not urgent enough.
We're going to back you up. We're going to put you in the in

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the waiting list and this or that.
So time goes by, it's almost a year now.
And then I'm kind of losing everything.
My body is completely deformed, like my back is completely like
shifted to the right. And at this time, it's I had
only two sons at this time. Now I have 3.
And our second boy, our middle child, he's he's been diagnosed

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with autism. So my wife was having to deal
with her husband kind of decomposing physically and
mentally because my mental health was also getting hit with
that while, you know, she was trying to tend to our our son
who had a lot of needs at that time.
So it was like, and I was kind of like continuously being put
in a corner where I was left alone, right.

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I feel that that was kind of, I don't know if you have to call
it Spirit or God or whatever it is, but that was the process,
right? Like, and, and I always
remembered like all these scriptures, like from book of
James, it says like rejoice whenyou're going through trials and
tribulations because that means that you're kind of going
through the next evolution of your spirituality, right?
Like you're understanding, you're feeling.

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And it was really hard to understand it at that moment
because I was going through the whole process.
But there was a point where I was, I touched rock bottom,
right? Everybody, I think has to reach
to that point until rising back again as the Phoenix.
And it was like that was like a complete depression, mental,
physical, my body was out like as a man, my, my use of

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sphincters were kind of being lost because of the pressure of
the sciatic nerve. So there was a lot of things
going with that. And then it was recent, recently
to the near death experience. So all these things were
happening in a very short amountof time and I wasn't kind of
ready for it. We were still working from home.
The bank was kind of being beingvery intense of pressuring us to

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go back to work, but I couldn't even walk.
So it was, it was a very intensemoment and, and in my life that
at that point after that, I decided to just pick up myself
and start reading on other things that would allow my body
to heal itself. And that's when I went through
all the rabbit holes. I went through the rabbit holes
of big pharma, of medical industry, of the control of this

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or that. And then I hit on the 5000 years
of ancient Eastern medicine thathas allowed people to heal
themselves. So all the holistic approach.
So I started to go down that. So Wim Hof was the first one to
to hit my, you know, my attention.
I'm like, OK, what is this guy doing?
How did he do it? He talked about his life, how
he, you know, got over the griefof his wife's suicide through

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the cold therapy. And I'm like, you know, what if
he talks about cold being something that heals or this or
that, I'm going to start doing the cold plunges just to go see
if I can reduce swelling in my back and see what happens with
the nerve. Because every time I went to the
doctor, he just wanted to pump me up with pills.
I go here you have morphine, heroin, whatever it is that
don't make you feel better. I'm like, I don't want any of
these things. I just want to try to, you know,

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feel better naturally. And they would, I did like 3
sessions of epidural injections in the back was the worst thing
that I could have done. Now I'm probably feeling the
consequences of that. And it didn't do anything like
it didn't take away the pain or whatever it was.
So starting to do the the breathing therapy, the cold
therapy. And then I started to do the
breathing that he does. And then that took me to

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understanding what is like, whatis all this behind the
breathing? Like everybody's talking about
breathing, holotropic breathing.What is it like, what's behind
it? The science, right?
So started to study on that, figure out what it was the reset
of the nervous system, parasympathetic versus
sympathetic and all these thingslike OK, and you kind of opened

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the little book of biology thereagain when?
For a guy that didn't like to read, you sure ended up reading
a lot over like 3-4 years. I know, I know.
And that's funny because I neverlike, I never wanted to read
when I was a kid, like it's justdoing this or that.
And then these were my years where I was like, OK, so now it
begins. Now I have to start really
understanding what's there. And then Internet will always
give you like, like a very shortversion of things.

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It won't give you, you know, the, the actual meet until you
go and you start looking and youstart, you know, searching and,
and and and, you know, he who seeks will find.
And that's very, very there. So I started also going back
into my South American roots andtrying to see what was calling

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me regarding plant medicine, right.
I'm OK if I need to bring my state, my mental state into a
specific, you know, place where I have to connect with something
higher. I know that I've been there when
I drowned. So can I do that again?
So breath allows you to do that and, and you can do it.
Let's say as Wim Hof says, you can get high on your own supply

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because when you breathe with these breathing techniques, what
happens to your body is that you're stimulating the cerebral
spinal fluid that goes up your spine, goes all the way to your
head and it hits your pineal gland.
When it does that for a certain amount of, you know, minutes,
it's going to start segregating what is DMT?

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Dimethyltryptyline right? Which is the same component
that. The ayahuasca has and other big
plant medicines out there have, but we have it, we produce it.
So everything that's in nature, it's in US.
And that's when you start understanding all these hermetic
laws that as above, so below, aswithin, so without is everything
is here. So DMT is what the brain kind of

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releases when we're born, when we dream, and when we die.
But you can control the production of it when you're
doing breath work, you can consciously make it while you're
breathing and you're doing theseexercises, diaphragmatic
breathing, you know, pushing your stomach to the back and
that kind of pumps the cerebral spinal fluid all the way to the
top. And that starts to segregate.
So when you get into that, let'ssay state, you're allowing the

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brain to open the subconscious or the doors to the subconscious
where you can actually see all the things that you lock up
there, which are basically trauma.
Most of it is trauma. So I started to do these
practices doing the ice pass andthen trying to figure out where
would I be able to do the plant medicine ceremonies, because
then you start to figure out, OK, there's a lot of this out

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there right now. Like everything who's the one
who's being responsible and carrying it out in the proper
way that people are not just going to go, Oh, you know, we
went to this retreat and we had all these, you know, highs and I
had a really bad trip. So all these things that you
start to listen from from everybody.
It's like, OK, let's let's startto and and, and I think it's
part of my like my personality after the the drowning, it's

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like, OK, let's do the research.So I put on the geek glasses on
and it's just like when I go down that rabbit hole, once I've
studied it and I know completely, then I'll go and
feel, you know, like, OK, I can surrender to this and I can
trust the process. So it was hard to get to that
point. And right before the like that
moment happened for some reason,like the surgery came through,

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like the doctor was like, hey, we have a spot, we could take
it. We can operate and do a small
intervention. We're not going to do fusion.
We're just going to remove the hernia from the disc and leave
as it is, right? So OK, that's fine.
That happened and it was a huge,huge relief.
But it was funny because it happened right when my like,
when my mindset had changed, right?
Like when you feel that and, andI, I see it now as I stepped

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into that timeline, I like as soon as I was ready to open
those doors, then, you know, I could walk through that and that
that happened. So that it allowed me to, you
know, to have a massive pain relief, which I had a year of
relationship with pain. And I think it's very
interesting to talk about that maybe in another podcast of how
pain drives you to do other things.

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But once I was started to the the recovery process, it was the
ice baths was the micro dosing with psilocybin that allowed me
to also go back into restoring my mental health, which was also
something like how do you start recovering everything that was
completely torn apart because itwas first your spirit is broken,
then your body, your body is broken, then your mind is

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broken. So how do you align these things
again? Like how do you make everything
right? So part of the work that I did
for the mind was all the cold plunges and that was amazing.
Like all the spikes of, you know, serotonin, like
noradrenaline, like endorphins. It was just like the rush of
happy mood hormones that I haven't had in a while.
So the first size path was amazing and it, and I cried.

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I remember I just got in the water and it just the first
thing, it was like the trauma ofthe, of the drowning again and
the cold water and everything. I'm, you know, I have to face
it. I have to go back then.
And I cried and I released and Istarted to understand.
It's like, yeah, you can cry. You can sit down.
Like as men, we're always, you know, raised in a way, like
stand up, you know, shake it off, walk it off.
You know, you're a man, you're tough and this or that, like
don't cry or I'll give you a reason to cry.

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Like you have all these things because our parents didn't know
better as well, right? So they didn't have the tools.
And it's like a whole generational process that we're
clearing karma from thousands and thousands of years.
So after that, I did the plant medicine ceremony.
And that kind of was like in, initself huge because I went back
to the place where I was when I drowned.

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And I'm like, oh, OK. And then you start understanding
how you receive messages from, from from the ether, from
spirit, like from things. It's not like I hear voices or
this or that. It's something that you feel in
your heart and then you know that it's like it's, it's, it's
gnosis, It's general knowledge that you have.
Maybe it's people say it's past lives or it's something like
that. I, I believe more of the string

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theory of everything's happeningat the same time kind of thing,
right? And you just kind of step into
the timeline that you're ready to step into.
And that allowed me to understand that my purpose was
to be part of something that that is the oneness of
everything, right? Like, what do you, what can I do
to go back into not only what I feel that society is right,

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Because I had like a like a grudge against society at that
time because of COVID, right? Like everything that happened
there was pretty traumatic, I think for everybody.
Everybody had trauma at that time.
So how do I recover and, and howdo I unlearn all the things that
I thought I knew? And then how do I learn again
how to be some like, what's the best version of myself that I

(25:26):
can become? And how can I help, You know,
everybody else is going through this because that's when I
understood is like, if I'm goingthrough this, how many people
are going through so many things?
And how can you just become a merit to them to show them that
you can do this? You don't need to depend on
anybody else. You don't need any system to
tell you what to do. You can do it all.
You can do the research for everything.

(25:48):
It's out there. It's just called like reading,
which we kind of haven't done ina while.
Everybody's like, oh, why do yousay this?
You know, because I read it hereand this is how you back it up,
right? I'm reading beyond the top line.
Like you said, you got to go digging for a lot of the right
answers. Yes, and most of the things
first. Couple scripted things that that
that it shows you. They hide them.
The algorithm hides it. Like if you go and you search

(26:08):
for something in the, the first pages are always going to give
you like mainstream media kind of things.
But if you go deeper, go other searchers or search engines or
things like that, you're going to find things that are deeper.
And of course, books, books willalways give everything away.
Like books that have been there like, oh, since, I don't know,
1920 something or 18 something. It's like encyclopedias or
things like that where other things were mentioned different

(26:30):
ways and everything starts to change.
So those are many rabbit holes. And you start figuring out who
controls McGraw Hill, who controls this, who controls
that? And then you see that it all
aligns with the narrative that we're all kind of living today.
And we have reached to that point where everybody's kind of
waking up, like the things that are happening aren't necessary
evil. Like it has to happen.
So everybody kind of, you know, is shaken, that everything is

(26:53):
kind of shaken in their tree andeverybody awakens to OK, what's
happening. And then you start questioning
things because that's the only way that you build discernment
when you question the things that are out there.
It's like, why do I have to follow the instructions of this
or that? Or who is this guy to say, you
know, what's better for me, what's best for me?
So, so I think Long story short,that's kind of the whole thing
with the journey of the crow and, and it's, it's a whole

(27:16):
story that takes me into unlearning and learning again,
like who am I as a, as a individual and who am I as part
of the collective right? And what, what comes after that?
So during the breath works, during the the plant medicine
ceremony, we did a breath work that was for me much more
transformational than the actualplant medicine.

(27:36):
And that style of breathing, it's the one that I facilitate
today that I kind of fell in love with it because as a
musician, it allowed me to connect to the rhythm of the
music and feel the like the drumbeats in the heart to a specific
BPM. And it was easier to follow the
prompts and then change the way you breathe mixed with the
elements, right? So earth, water, you know, air,

(27:59):
fire and all these things are like techniques that you do and
you mix them right. And then it allows you to
produce, you know, either more oxygen or more tolerance to, to
Co. And that is like what allowed
the DMT to be, you know, kind ofproduced or, or segregated in
the brain. So it was, I'm sorry, I'm not

(28:20):
not segregated. So released.
So it was like 3 days of having the same experience, but two
with plant ceremony and one doing but doing it by myself.
After that, I decided to go deepwith that and just become that,
you know, become that moment foreverybody.
Just be a facilitator that wouldhold a space that would go into

(28:42):
the breathing techniques, mix itwith a cold therapy, using the
music that I do to actually produce the music and make the
music of the breath workshop. So I'm at a point right now
where I'm starting to do the music live, like to do loops and
things for that with the instruments that I do to kind of
make the experience a little bitmore live, right.
But what people need sometimes is that healing of frequency,

(29:04):
like different tunings on different instruments with
different frequencies. That'll help you either balance
if it's you know, any kind of emotion or there are things,
right that you can find out withfrequency that you can, you can
even eliminate parasites that you can do things with the right
frequency. So it's a study of mixing bad

(29:25):
with the breath work, with the cold therapy and just holding
the space for people, right? Trying to be there and
understanding how the energies work.
You know, how do people have their own energies?
And how do you allow yourself toprotect the space for people,
protect yourself, and then show them how to protect themselves
from not being drained from energetical vampires, which is

(29:46):
also out there, right? Right.
Are you still doing the micro dosing with psilocybin?
I do once in a while depends. Like I don't do it on a fixed
thing. It's depending when I feel the
cycles needed, right? It's something like sometimes
when you feel that you have a calling for things right, you're
like, OK, I got to go back to doing this.
The same thing I had the callingto do with fasting recently.
So I did. I tried to do 7 days.

(30:08):
I was barely made it to 84 hoursbecause after that my glucose
crashed, not know why. Like still trying to figure out
what happened there, but it was like listening to your body,
like what, what's going on? What do you need?
So detoxing, cleansing and doingdifferent things at the same
time. But I think that's where I,
where I, where I am right now iskind of focused on those things,

(30:31):
those areas and specializing nowin the integration coaching part
of it as well. Because a lot of these like
retreats for things that people do as a group.
It's great when you're 48 hours outside the city and everything
is nice and you have cold therapy, hot therapy, you're
relaxed, you have nature and this that.
But what happens when you come back to the madness of the city
of the world? You know, you go back to, to

(30:52):
your place, the kids are going crazy.
You know, now I have a big baby,you know, my second, my middle
child, which has his, his, his sacred difference and all these
things. It's like, and then I have one
starting in teenage years. So it's like being between the
three and how do you manage and how you integrate all these
things that you're learning without just going crazy because

(31:12):
you're trying to be, you're trying to become the best
version of yourself, not only for yourself, but for the people
around you. It's like the same theory of the
airplane and the mask, right? That you need to breathe first
so you can be able to help everybody else around.
So a lot goes with that in hand.How do you talk about all this
to your kids and and do you go deep with them?

(31:33):
Well, only to the to the to my oldest child, like he's 12.
So I tried to 1st just show him things right, like so that he
can feel them so that he can understand them and see how he
deals with them. So for instance, we're now
working on box breathing, which is pretty simple.
So you breathe in for two seconds, you hold for two
seconds, then you exhale for twoseconds, and then you hold for

(31:54):
two seconds on empty right? And then you can increase the
time that you that you're holding or you're breathing.
So for him, I only do it for 2 seconds just to teach them
because of their capacity. But then he's doing that 10
minutes before sleeping every day and he's noticed the
difference. He notices how he goes to bed
more relaxed. He doesn't have issues falling
asleep. He doesn't have the anxiety that

(32:15):
he might have because next day Ihave a test or I have this or
that. So he understands the benefit
behind it. So I'd rather show him at this
stage and do the things then notexplain too much because
sometimes their capacity for understanding these things are
like you can talk to them and you see them.
They're like staring at the walland something's just going in
and out, even though it's still staying there.

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So there's like, you know, gentle ways of of approach and
he sees me doing these things. It's like if, if I'm, you know,
talking the talk I have, I have to walk in, right.
So he sees me doing the coal plunges.
They go into the coal plunge. Sometimes my middle child, he
he's fearless. That's something that I'll give
all the kids in the spectrum fearless completely.
He'll just jump into the cold plunge with me like happy and

(32:59):
laughing. The oldest one has to kind of
control his, his mind, his thoughts.
But now he found a way of doing it.
So he'll be like dad, but Judas Priest.
I'll go in and I'm like, OK, that's good.
Whatever, you know, whatever works.
And then he'll go in and he's like, and then if you have to
yell, yell and he'll, he'll, youknow, he'll yell and do all
these things. It's like just feel, allow your
body to be there and to feel theemotions.

(33:20):
And then he feels better. Like he'll say like, oh, I was
having a pain in my shoulder. I don't have any more of these
for that. So they start to like you start
to educate them by giving them the experience and allowing them
just to have their own opinion without pushing it.
Because I don't want to end up doing the things that my dad
taught me, which is you end up doing sometimes the opposite.
It's like, no, I don't want to do what my old man's doing.
I want to do my own. I want to walk my own path,

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right? So it's trying to be smart in
that way. It's like I'll show you the
techniques and then you see for yourself if it works or if it
doesn't. So I'm at that stage with him
right now, right? And then when I fall asleep with
my middle child, he just kind ofmimics my pattern of breathing.
So I start doing the box breathing and he'll just follow
imitating, you know, the exhales.
I'll do longer exhales and that he'll just fall asleep faster

(34:04):
with that also, which was a challenge in itself, like the
first. He's 6 now.
So the first four years would bevery intense, sleepless,
sleepless nights. Like, you know, parents that
have kids in the, in the spectrum understand like what it
is, It's, it's, it's you can go three nights without sleeping
and your mental, you know, health is, is pretty affected.

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So all these things happening when your body is breaking down
and it's like, it was a lot to take.
But there's a saying that's like, God will never give you
more that you can't handle. So like, OK, bring it on.
We're ready for the next step, ready for the next stage of
whatever comes. Are you doing this this
mentoring or teaching or like helping others reflect like as a
full time thing now or are you still at the bank?

(34:45):
Yes, no. So the bank laid off everybody
October 2023. And since then I've been what I
like what's called the void, right?
It's like, OK, so I've tried to go back to corporate.
Like those doors are shut for some reason.
It's like it's it just doesn't happen.
But then all a bunch of other doors are opening, right?
So I'm like, OK, so let's learn to go with the flow of whatever

(35:06):
it has to be. Like I guess I have to be where
I have to be and that's it. It's hard sometimes because
you're thinking like, OK, how I'm going to do this or how I'm
going to do that. But there's always something
that pops up. There's always like I call, like
miracles happen every day. Like it's just phone calls.
Like, hey, you want to do this, You want to do that?
And I'm like, OK, pretty cool. This aligns more to what I'm
doing now. So it's either sometimes doing
things with music, doing the breath works, like the
workshops, and then there's people that are not calling

(35:29):
like, OK, what are you doing that you have changed?
Like people that known you like have known you for years and
like, what are you doing that's working?
Because I see you a completely different person.
Like I see you all the time optimist and doing this and
doing that. I'm like, well, you should talk
to my wife. You know, it's things you do
change. You do change for the best.
You try to become more aware. Like now I feel that I catch

(35:50):
things faster, like if I'm and, and, and especially it's just
the emotions, because that's theonly thing that we can own,
right? Once we understand that the only
thing we can control is our emotions and everything else out
there is completely whatever it's going to be, then you start
understanding like how to build with and it's like, oh, OK, so I
can't control this. I can't control that.

(36:10):
I can only control how I react to things.
And that is kind of like the focus that I've tried to do now.
So every time that there's an emotional moment about this or
that, OK, have it sit with it, but become aware and how is this
impacting right? And what's, what's the long, you
know, term of what's going to happen if you continue being
feeling this emotion, right? If you continue holding to these

(36:31):
things. So he's trying to let go and
breathe. So a lot of the breathing
techniques is what has helped meto regulate nervous system.
I think that's the key. Like as soon as we understand
that we can only regulate our nervous system and that's the
only way we can help our bodies to sit with the emotions and
then alchemize them, like process them and release them,
then we can start advancing likewithin and start progressing and

(36:54):
becoming like the best versions of ourselves, you know?
So what does a workshop or or retreat or like a weekend with
you? What does it look like like for
for somebody that's like? So workshops normally are 90
minutes. People will come, I will have,
you know, always present a, a nice safe space environment.
So visually they can connect to understanding that it's going to

(37:15):
be something to relax, to go deep and to go within.
And it's always in like the person's always in control.
There's no kind of like push yourself or this or that.
It's like, no, this is try to begentle on yourself just by
trying and being present and showing up is more than enough,
right? Like it's, it's brave enough to,
to do these things because a lotof it, this somatic release that

(37:37):
happens like people sometimes are that say like like nervous
right of I don't want to sit in the space with other people and
cry. I don't want people to see me
vulnerable or weak. So it's offering the space.
People come in, everybody lays down mats at the beginning.
We have a lot of body movement shaking so that the energy kind
of, you know, is, is pumped up. Then everybody lays down and

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I'll facilitate like several rounds of breathing with
different breathing techniques that will take them to this
point where they will go deep, deep, deep and relax.
Because at that point what you're doing is you're giving
the, the, the monkey in the brain a banana.
And while people are just listening to the prompts and
following the count and the music, your brain is focused on
a task. So the doors to the subconscious

(38:21):
literally open, right. So after that, we do guided
meditation where I allow people to do the connection with
themselves, with the Ho Pono Pono, which is the thank you,
you know, I love you, I forgive you, I'm sorry, and kind of
repeat those things within and guide them to future self
meditations to see themselves. Like how do you see yourself,
you know, in any future that youwant to pick?

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Because once you understand thatwhen you're in that state, like
time is completely yours, It's it's paused so you can clear
things. You can release things that
you've been hiding that can sometimes I believe it's the the
cause of disease, right? Like that's what makes everybody
sick is the holding of things that we have in emotions.

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I'm, I'm pretty sure that that'sthe root cause of many diseases
out there. So that would be 1 experience
for retreats. I'm thinking about doing fasting
retreats, which is completely the opposite of what's out
there. I think there's too much
offering of at medicine or this or that and it's all good and
nice, but how about if you sit down with yourself and you kind

(39:26):
of silence the world outside andyou not only fast with food, but
you fast from electronics and you fast from the noise.
And it's what do you discover within yourself when you're
fasting and what's your relationship to everything, to
food, to water, to yourself and,and, and try to have, you know,

(39:47):
48 hours at least for yourself and your body to, to detox and
to restore and to feel. Because we have so many excesses
right now, even with the food, like food is medicine, but
that's a huge rabbit hole out there.
Now you have like, if it's GMO, if it's organic, the fact you
have to, you know, read organic in the supermarket makes you
think that, Oh, so everything else is fake, right?
Like if I'm buying in this little section and everything

(40:09):
else is just not real. So what's the food intake we
need? And all the, all these things,
like all these relationships that we have, but personally
the, the one that you have with yourself, like how do you go
deep with that? So retreats would be pretty much
like that. It's like, and of course, having
always a medical checkup before,like what's your, how are your

(40:30):
blood levels? You know, what supplements do
you need? Like at least magnesium, sodium
and potassium during these days?Because the water, that's
another rabbit hole like water today.
What does the water have, right?And then we have all these
filters at home because then youwant to strip away the water
from all the bad things, but it also takes away the good things.
So then you have to re mineralize again or re mineral

(40:52):
well, put minerals back in the water and then all these like
details, right? And then how are you going to do
the refeeding after that? I tried to do 7 days of the
fast. I only did it to 84, but after
that, my refeeding process was first a cleansing protocol with
something that's called a 5 by 5protocol.
It's a doctor that he's actuallyfrom Venezuela.

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He lives in Miami. He's called Ludwig Johnson and
he talks about drinking 5 carriage, five classes of carrot
juice during the day, 250 mil each.
It's just carrot juice and that's it.
And it'll flush out. It'll detox everything.
To do this, of course, you have to remove certain things before,
like no nuts, seeds, dairies or cereal.

(41:38):
Take these away. You can continue eating other
things like, you know, meat, veggies and but it's focused on
the cleansing of the carrot juice and all the benefits that
it has. So I did it but without like the
food because I was kind of doingthe refeeding process slowly.
And then I started to incorporate things like, you
know, soft boiled eggs and, you know, onions and sweet potato
and things like that. And now my diet has changed

(41:58):
completely. Right now I only do fruits,
vegetables and all animal protein, that's it.
And water, no sugar, no dairies,all these things.
If I find raw milk, I'll drink it and I'll do cheese and
everything with that. But I'm trying to like stay away
from the things that are industrial, like things that are
to control, right? So I'm, I'm in that rabbit hole
right now of the, of the feedingprocess and how to, how to eat

(42:20):
healthy, right? So how do, and, and what is
eating healthy, right? And then that's showing the kids
as well, like how do I take all this intake of sugar that, and
how do they don't like, how do you make them not feel out of
place with their friends and allthese things?
So there's a lot of, you know, challenges we're navigating, but
I think it's taking taking it one day at a time, which is
something that I've learned thanks to my middle child.

(42:40):
Like don't think about the future, just think about today
and what can you do today? Tomorrow will be tomorrow,
right? So.
Those fasts are awesome. Like Chris and I did a 90 hour
fast and it was, it was phenomenal.
Yeah. Nice.
And how did you feel when the when the state of ketosis?
Awesome. Awesome.
Yeah. Like the toughest part was like
the 1st 16 hours, once you hit that like 16 hour point, like
your energy level just like skyrocketed and almost didn't

(43:03):
feel hungry, like at all. Yeah.
And like we were super strict. It was just like water, 2 packs
of electrolytes a day and like 1cup of black coffee we were
allowed or something. Like that yeah, that was it.
I, I had like a lot of like herbal teas, right?
Like a lemon balm tree and all these things that I buy from a
lady of that local farm here. And that's the same thing like
now micro plastics. So how do I do my teas and this

(43:25):
like, OK, you boil them, you use, you know, the, the, the
steel, you know, the colanders for it and then put everything
on the herb stick. So, so everything now has just
changed, right? And how do you do these changes
without having such a big impacton everybody's life, right?
Especially the family, right? Because also my wife, just like,
I can't keep up with your changes.
I can't keep up with this or that.
And I'm like, OK, I appreciate it.

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Yeah. You know, the patience and the
love. But it is, it is a process,
right? It's a whole, it's a whole
process. It's a whole awakening, right?
It's been a lot of people want want to tie it to spirituality
or whatever. And it's like, well, yeah, we
are spirits living a human experience, right?
So it all, it's all tied to breath spirit to the pneuma of
things, to the ether. So.
Yeah, I thought the fast was dope.
I had a couple of cool experiences.

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Like we did it in January. OK, it was snowy wintry.
I got to a little bit over 48 hours and I had a moment of
clarity that I will never forget.
Like it was so cool. I was driving, it was snowing OK
and everything was dialed in. Like I I could hear the snow.
I could see it by the flake. Like I was just and I thought to

(44:30):
myself, I'm like, this has got to be some ancestral shit
because this is clearly like, OKHunter, time to go get it.
And it just, it's like I had this awesome moment of, of
clarity and perception on everything.
And I got up to 96 hours before I broke mine.
And it was just obviously I had to beat Jamie by a few hours,
goes without saying. But it was one of those things

(44:50):
where there was such peaks and valleys like, and the big one
too is just the social norm, like in the, the social pressure
because I had, I couldn't stop life for that period of time.
So I had dinners and obligationsand those kind of things.
And like, people are just like, sorry, you're doing what?
And you're like, well, yeah, just like whatever.

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And like my friend told me that that okay, well, cool.
Yeah, like this is what I'm doing.
So. But that was the hardest part.
And then I'm so social with my food.
I love to host, I love to cook. So just taking that away created
a lot of space, man. Yes, just where I'm like, huh?
What do I do with this time right?
Now with this right, and it was a neat, it was a neat mental

(45:33):
exercise. And because we did it as a small
group of us, it was pretty easy.Like we had the group chat going
and, you know, talking about hamburgers and whatever.
Each other accountable, keeping me, yeah.
That's the big one. That's.
Right. I think that's the key.
But what I've learned with coaching right now, like I was
like, I don't like coaching or this or that or whatever, but
then now I understand it's somebody holding you
accountable, right? And that is huge.

(45:54):
That is huge, having people. Have a hard time being
accountable to themselves, but they feel embarrassed if they're
not accountable to somebody else.
Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, and that's like your
analogy of, you know, we've heard it a couple times on the
show about put your mask on for your oxygen mask on 1st and you
can help other people, but you don't do that.
And I for the first 35 years of my life, that wasn't even on my

(46:14):
radar. But then you start to have the
kids and you're like, shit, gotta be there for them, the
relationships. And you're like, yeah, I gotta
show up in business. Yeah, I gotta show up.
So the more and especially this year, we're doing it more than
ever that you can educate yourself a little bit, figure
out what works. They don't just take one
person's opinion. Exactly.
Like even if they've got the white coat and 10 things hanging

(46:36):
on the wall, like, OK, cool. So I'm going to take that.
But then I am going to do a little digging.
I am going to go a little deeperand talk to people.
Like if I see a guy who's happy,healthy, what are you doing?
Yeah, that's a great question toask, right.
Doesn't mean I have to do it, you know, but but I can tell you
now having talked to some reallysmart people, there's always

(46:59):
commonalities. And like the ones that I see
coming out every single time doing something for their mental
health. And they can tell you exactly
what, whether that's talk therapy or whether that's
meditating or whether that's whatever, but something
consciously for their mental health, they're doing something
for their physical health. And those two things that seem
to be what everybody says I eat Whole Foods, you know, minimally

(47:23):
processed. And, and what I'm hearing a lot
of guys say there is I'm, I'm prioritizing protein and most
people are talking about meat protein these days, I find, but
whole minimally processed and they work out and that can be
whatever that can be walking, that can be gym, that can be
whatever, but they do that. And honestly, the other one,

(47:44):
which is nice to talk to you about is that spirituality piece
because you know, like the question I want to ask you is
we've had people come in and talk about religion.
We've had people come in and talk about spirituality.
Those are two very different things.
Yes. And I want you to take me back
to your upbringing, South America, dad being a black
sheep. Talk about how religion played

(48:05):
into that. Yeah.
So I'm, I'm originally from Venezuela, both my parents as
well, and my mom was a doctor isa doctor and my dad was a
business guy until he switched into politics because he wanted
to save the world. He's like, I'm tired of being
the one who talks bad about everything in family meetings
and doesn't do anything about it.
So I'm just going to go. And he actually did he he, he

(48:27):
won like he became Councilman and this for that.
So he did a lot of things until he stopped to do like he didn't
want to do the corrupt things. And then they kind of put him
in, in, in the back office and you know.
Can only go so far until you're a yes man.
Yes, exactly, but that's something that I I appreciate
from him teaching me his values right, like like you have to do
what's right. No lies, you know, and you you

(48:50):
own your mistakes right and apologize.
So but then their raising was very like Catholic.
My mom went to non school, my dad went to public school, but
he's still his family were 99 siblings and they were pretty
religious with everything. So they didn't want to pass that
kind of religious control unto us.
But still, we were kind of like the typical family that will go

(49:13):
to church, you know, every once in a while when they feel that
the family Easter, Christmas, your typical dates and this or
that. But there was no relationship.
And then there was a lot of fearon my mom's side of leaving us
alone with like, you know, don'tbe the choirboy, don't do this,
don't be with the priest. And you know, like there's so
many stories about this or that.So she had some kind of
resentment a little bit against it because of being a non school

(49:35):
as well. So she kind of had like at that
time they would slap and hit youand this or that.
So she didn't didn't grow up very, very fond of it, but she
did have a passion for religion,right?
She after she graduated, she went to live to Israel and then
my grandfather had to go and bring her back.
She didn't want to come back. So she was like studying, you
know, the, all, the, all the, the, the scripts and the texts

(49:55):
and this or that. But she never pushed down a
belief. She was always kind of like, OK,
whatever you want to feel, feel it.
But understand that religion, it's not spirituality, right?
Like you can't mix these things.My dad was kind of like,
whatever, you know, I'll go, if I there's a funeral or anything
he has to do, he'll just feel with it.

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I don't know how his relationship to God is, you
know, at this point, after many years, they got divorced and now
he got remarried and he lives inUtah.
So he became a Mormon. And that's another another,
another fun story, right? But is he living like the Utah
Mormon? Yes, yes, he's living the Utah
Mormon like. How many moms do you have now?
So I have, so I have, I have, I have three moms because, because

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when they got separated, it's because mom like, you know, came
out and said, well, I want to have another mom.
Like I want to have another partner.
And, you know, so it was like a big story that that also
shattered everything. At that point, I stopped being
the black sheep. Yeah.
Something else I do. I knew there was something off
of this family because that's also it.
Everybody grows up. And that's what I'm.
I'm trying to show my son now. It's like all these TV shows

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that they program you, they're showing you what families are
supposed to be. But that's not the real thing.
Families fight. Families have the quarrels
issues. They have passion, moments of
engagement. Right.
And it's OK. The important thing is to, you
know, own your mistakes, always respectful and always kind of
like put the love in front of everything else, right?
And then you work out things. So he always thinks that, you

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know, my family's weird because,you know, you guys have this
quarrels or this or that. Like everybody's family is the
same way. So my parents, like that
happened. My mom, my dad got divorced and
then, you know, she continued her life with her partner.
So I have two moms on that side.And then my dad kind of
remarried and went to Utah, became a Mormon with another.
And then I have another mother on that side.

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So interesting story as well. I have two sisters.
My oldest sister was raised to be the two goody shoes.
You know, she does everything, like straight A's and everything
that mom and dad says. And if I wouldn't do anything,
she would be the one who repeats, like mom says to stop
it, you know, like, Ray, do this.
Ray do that. OK.
And she still is the same way, right?
She hasn't changed too much. I love her and adore her, but

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she's still kind of like the oldest sister.
She has that like I have to be, you know, some kind of the image
of mom. And Dad?
Yes, yes, and then she took a really big hit when that
happened between them. So but everything is kind of
think OK now and then I have my youngest sister, she came ten
years after me. Then she was not supposed to
come. So one of those kind of like

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things. My mom at that time, I think
after my my, my birth, she she didn't like have the like they
did surgery so she couldn't havekids anymore or whatever.
And then my sister popped in. So it was fun.
I think I became a Big Brother without understanding what it
was. But I ended up raising her.

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So she has like a really cool relationship with me because she
ended up being kind of like my daughter, right?
So I was like, very much like parental with her, taking care
of her, this or that. But yeah, I was always a lot of
issues between my relationship with my parents.
They were very controlling. A lot of things like, and I
think it has to do with how theypassed on these things.
My grandmother was funny becauseshe was be she was the one who

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would say like, if you don't need the bowl of whatever, you
don't do this like the devil will come and take you.
So it was like a particular character in my life.
But she also had a big, big influence on racing me.
And then she was more of the onewho would read scripture and who
would do these things. But her origins do come from
like local Aborigines from I think it's the West End of her
country. So she would play around with

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spirits and tobacco and, you know, like the cards and spit
out and, you know, like all these entertaining things that I
was trying to run away from. Then I've learned that it always
skips a generation, right? So whatever she had, it skipped
my parents and now it landed on me.
Like it my none of my sisters took it.
So it landed on me. It's like, OK, thanks for the,
the nice trials and tribulationsthat I have to pass on, you

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know, the torch of the family. So that was interesting.
And of course, I went through a lot of addictions growing up, a
lot of abuse in the South, you can start smoking like at 12
years old, drinking, there's no laws.
It's kind of like the crazy world.
So there was a lot of going through that and I think that

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took a toll as well, right? Like that kind of made me live
different experience, be very wild.
Had a lot of bad trips in the day.
Now I understand that these bad trips that the medicines are
showing you are exactly what youneed to work on.
So sometimes it's like, Oh, I don't want to go and see the
things that the medicine will show me.
It'll grab you and it will shoveyour face into it until you kind

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of work that out. And then that's people.
So people don't understand the difference when you're doing,
you know, psychedelics for entertainment, which shouldn't
be done for that when you do it to actually as as a medicine to
clear and help you guide things that you can at the moment
because your addiction is being too strong to, to, to, you know,
to be released. So these things work for that.

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But yeah, I had a crazy life. I wanted to be a musician all
the time. My mom wanted me to be the
doctor of the house, so never took the Med test, always went
to music playing night times. They made me study business and
made me pay for my own educationwhile I was working as a
musician. So it's cool.
I ended up having a degree because of that.
So I did have my studies, but it's always rebellious, always

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against whatever they have to say.
And I'm happy, I'm happy that I was rebelled against everything
because that allowed me to become who I have become.
Like to live my own experience, to learn from my own mistakes,
to go through through all the the things that I've gone right.
And I've now learned to meet them where they are and not to
parent. The parents like to forgive

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also. That's a huge one.
Like not only surrendering, but forgiving.
I think those are ingratitude. Those are the big three words
that I've learned in these last four years of experiences.
Everyday being grateful for justbeing alive and being healthy,
not having pain, things that aresimple, that my kids are healthy
and they're they eat, you know, that we have the capacity and
the ability of, you know, makinga choice of things every day.

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So not. Everybody has to go to Toba
more, go to the grotto and almost drown to find themselves
no. No, no, no.
Everybody has their own experience, but everybody will
go through their own way or their own awakening, I think, to
the world, like, what are we doing here?
What's the purpose? And you know.
And then so you as a dad, if we had the kiddos on the mic and we

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said tell us about your dad, what do you think they'd say?
Wow, I, I, I, I guess, I don't know, I guess they would say
that's crazy. That's the first one, right?
Like that's not the typical dad.You know, that's one of the
things that my son said the other day and, you know, he was
sad about it. He was like, do you have your
hairs long and you don't have the suit and you don't work at

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the bank anymore? Like you're not like the other
dads. And they go, OK, that's cool.
And how does that make you feel?You go, I don't know.
Sometimes I'm embarrassed, but sometimes, well, sometimes it's
OK. I don't know, You know, It's
like, because then he sees me onstage and he sees me playing.
The cool dad. So it's weird, right?
And then his buddies are always like, yo, you know, Diego's dad,
tough buddies. It's like pretty cool.
But I think he would say that's crazy, but that's loving because

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he sees me doing coal plunders and these things, right?
He's like, why do you do this toyourself?
Because it's good. So it's it's he's at a point
where he's also transitioning tobecoming a teenager.
So he's questioning now. Now he's defying like he's, you
know, I'll tell him to do something, but why?
OK, cool. So OK, let's talk about it.
But why don't give me reasons, right?
Like give me, give me your, yourspeech.

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And so, but I think he would saybecause my second one is non
verbal. So but he always goes up.
He's like, you know, he does saythings, he'll say words, he uses
stalker, but then he does say I love you, which is great because
that's like one of the things that I most needed to hear from
him. So he'll, you know, he'll jump
and he'll hug me. He's like, I love you.
And that's the way of saying, you know, I want up.
So, but I think it's that it's, you know, also I'm pretty I

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shift a lot like a Libra balance, right?
I just go sometimes I could be very happy and then sometimes I
could just be like very Moody. And I think it has to do also
with the influence that we have with the astrological realm
around us and it has to do with personality as well.
So I shift, but as soon as I kind of catch the awareness of
it, that's. A thing with Libras I my wife's
a Libra. I haven't noticed that about

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Kate. But you have to see the whole
thing is in full, right? Like astrology is all in her
body, right? So you only don't have one sign,
you have all of them, but one rules you, which is your son.
But then you have to see where was your moon at the time that
you were born. So the moon rules your emotions.
So the moon shows emotions, right?
The same thing as moonstration, like the cycle of the 28 days,

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13 months. That all has to do with with the
moon and the importance that hasI always forget what's what's
the word for it? But anyways, as as a planetary
or satellite or whatever it is, because we don't know right?
Like it's always a new way that I'm always changing.
How do I refer to planets or to orbits or to satellites?

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Like what, what, what is what right?
Like there's also another way ofsaying, but I doesn't come to
mind right now, but that's it. So you have, where was your son
located? And then you have 12 houses,
right? So a lot of the Bible also talks
about astrology and in biology, there's things that you start
seeing in the patterns, right? Like each one of the apostles

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represents each Zodiac sign, right?
So it's 12 and Jesus is the sun.So he's his 13th.
So there's a lot of things that are, they're tied to that's
hidden, right? Like biology is also there like
the 33 ladders that Jacob has togo and face the Angel and
pineal, right? That's 33 vertebrae that your
cerebral spinal fluid goes up toyour pineal gland and then it's

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pineal, right? And that's where he bites the
Angel and he rips the, the, the,the, the, I think it's the rib
from him when he's trying to. So there's things that are tied
into the Bible that are really cool.
When you start seeing the astrology within it, you start
seeing the biology within it. And it's just coded.
It's coded for us to seek and find.
If you start doing those going down those rabbit holes, you'll,

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you'll see how it's all there and it aligns with us.
So, and it also represents the eras, like the era of Moses.
You can see Moses, the statues in different places and they
have horns, right? That's because it represented
Aries constellation at that time.
And then it moved into Pisces, which is the fish that represent
Jesus and all that, you know, patriarchal time of, of ruling
2000 years. And now we're moving into

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Aquarius, right? You can see it when it says
follow the lady that has, you know, the, I think it's the
wheat, wheat chapped in her hands.
And it will guide you into the man pouring the water and you'll
find it. So it has to do with the Virgo
going to like to Aquarius. So it's, it's all about
constellations. It's talking about that as well.
So we have all the Zodiac sign within us, right?

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Like it's what rules you in the sun, what rules your moon and
then how all the other ones ruling your emotions depending
on the House that you have, how many planets, right?
So in my case, I have like 5 planets in my 5th house.
So my Libra apparently and my Scorpio will rule more of my
Aries, which is my sun. That's just going to give me my
like my my Mars kind of worry character, what I want to do

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certain things, but then like the Libra is going to be out of
balance if things are not being fair or just right.
So I just get like really angry because of that, you know,
unbalanced there. And every once in awhile I'll go
into my cave like the scorpions will do just to kind of go in
and I won't come out like for a month and then I'll come out
with a bunch of plans, a bunch of things, right.
That's the way that the muse hits me.
So we all have a lot of that andwe kind of have to learn a

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little bit of astrology as well.Like if you would give me the,
the, the, the opportunity of like rewriting the school
curriculum, like breath work andastrology and other things that
have to do with biology and, andhow everything is
interconnected, right? Because that would be things
that people really need to learn, right?
Things that matter, things that are about us as as spirits

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living, like living the human experience, right?
Like religion is not spirituality.
Religion is just for me, a man made construct of man creating
God, right? Spirituality is God creating
man, right? It's different.
So it doesn't tie. But I do respect everybody's
belief and I meet them where they are, right?
I'm not going to push anything like I think everybody has their

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own, their own truth and whatever works for you.
Like the same way you were saying the diets, like whatever
you eat, whatever makes you healthy.
I don't have to do it, but I like to share the truth and I
like to listen to your truth as well to see what you're doing
and what might resonate that I might want to do as well, right?
Just test it out. So I think that's part of the
the whole collective consciousness of how we grow out
of this old world into the new world and how do we create the

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world that we want to live like Mandela used to say it, like how
do you do it by actions and by sharing the collective
information, not allowing like one voice to tell you what to
do, but question the voice and then talk around with everybody
else and what is everybody else doing?
And, and where do we all meet that certain point, right?
Yeah, we see that too, because Ithink there is, you know, the
mental health awareness piece continues to grow and out of

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that comes some pretty great conversations and emotional
intelligence and emotional Wellness comes out a bunch.
You had said it that, you know, you can catch yourself in that
emotion and you go to it. So for a guy that knows that
about himself, knows that it's turbulent, what's the best
advice he could give? Always take a minute to breathe

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like it's free. The breath is just there.
It's the tool that get that, that connects you with with life
and it allows you to to just be still, like just breathe in and
be still and breathe out and do it as many times as you can.
And always the, the, the little trick that I always do for
myself that works is twice the exhales.
If you do twice the exhalation, it'll allow you to regulate your

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nervous system faster. So if you're breathing in for
four seconds, like counting, youknow, you breathe out for eight,
try to do it all the time longer.
And when you do that, it's just the and the exhale is where you
visualize your breathing in life, your breathing in peace.
But then when you exhale, you just visualize your exhaling all
the, all the things you don't need anymore, all the things
that are just like, why am I holding on to this?

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Why is this? Is it important?
People are choking right now. They're listening to this,
trying to do it while you're talking.
They're like 5 seconds in, 10 seconds out, slow.
I saw Miles do it in the bag actually.
I'm also super fascinated with your the the challenges you've
had with, you know, parenting, the different styles, obviously

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having an autistic child. What are some tips you can give
with other parents who are raising an autistic child?
I think there's a lot out there with that.
The food is medicine is key. Like how are you feeding them is
going to allow them to clear their gut.
I've learned a lot down this rabbit hole that the gut is our
second brain and there is a lot of activity happening there that

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needs to communicate so that they can be able to develop the
areas of the brain that are not been have not been developed
because of certain things that have been in the back.
It's always, it could be food, it could be intake of, you know,
pharma or whatever it is. There's a lot of things
involved. So I would say food is the key.
Like try to do a good healthy diet for the kids if you can,

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keep them away from sugar as much as you can.
And I know it's hard dairy and all these things that have like
gluten that have like swelling and inflammation, like it'll
allow the gut to clear itself out.
Patients, I guess patients is the key.
A lot of love, a lot of tolerance.
Like there will be better days. There will be things that will
come down the pipeline that willbe OK.

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It's like it's, it's encouragingthem that I know it's hard like
every day. It's really hard to try to
balance life with all these things like sleepless nights and
things like that. But it's all worth it.
Like, you know, God has given you this child for a reason.
And there's, there's a big reason behind it, right?
Like you can you, you, you can tolerate this, you can do it.

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You can continue being the one who protects this kid and guides
him into his next stage of evolution.
Because I do see a lot of also other parents out there that
encourage me to continue on the path because I see their kids
already independent verbal and doing other things or like, you
know what, it is possible. Let's go, let's achieve it.
But I think it's a mix of, you know, a lot of harmony, a lot of

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teamwork with your partner and your wife.
Like that's key to be on the same page, right?
And a lot of self-control, self regulation, like do the things
that you feel that you need to do, like that'll make you feel
better. If it's that, like I have to go
axe throwing or I have to do, you know, test my boat or
fishing, like do whatever you have to do.
Also balance out your time with your partner.

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Give them their time and you askfor your time also, so you can
kind of release the things that you did, you feel, because all
the challenges will always buildup and we'll give you, you know,
all this extra stress of things.So just take a moment and grab
something or an activity that will allow you to to release to
be that, that, that that escape exit for for your personal, you

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know, things as long as it's always, you know, something
conscious, you know, Yeah. You talked a bit about guys
coming to you and feeling like they're stuck in the 9:00 to
5:00 or feeling like they're they're not gaining traction.
What's the best advice you can give?
At this point, I think it's alsosit with yourself and, and think

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and I and that's when I think having somebody, a coach or
somebody to question you and askthe proper questions allows you
to open up your your box of beliefs, right?
Like, like, why are you doing what you're doing?
What is happiness for you? Like how do you see happiness?
Do you find yourself happy todaydoing what you do?
And if not, what can you do to change that?

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Or what is the cost of not making a change right now?
What do you like long term for yourself?
Like how do you see things goingright?
Because one thing is I don't believe in the manifestation,
yes, out there. Like if you visualize money,
it'll come. No, I believe that that's a
wrong teaching of the law of attraction.
Like first learn to sit down with yourself and make peace

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with yourself. And then when you do that, you
figure out, you realize you don't need anything.
So you don't have to attract anything Like you have it all.
But The thing is, can you live with the fact of can you make
peace with that, that, that withyourself, knowing that you
already have it all right. And then I think things start to
flow and think that doors start to open on their own.

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And, and, and that's what I can sense of what the law of
attraction is. But there's a bunch of people
out there that can manifest, youknow, make you manifest 5010
thousand. If you, you know, if you do this
with me or sign up on my plan, it's like, I don't, I don't see
it like that. It's get more into that side of
things. And I think it, it depends on
what everybody's what happiness is, right?
Because like your, your happiness doesn't really involve

(01:08:59):
anything that, like you would have to manifest.
Where I do believe manifestationworks for the right reasons,
because there are certain thingsthat like some people need
certain things in their lives that they believe make them
happy. And it's not necessarily a money
or, you know, a new car or a newboat or something, But like
manifesting it in your brain to make yourself believe that,
that, that you deserve or that you can do that, that, that I

(01:09:22):
believe helps. And whether that's manifesting
yourself to like make the decision to like quit your job
and go do another job like you do have to manifest that to like
make that decision. Yes, yes, that's.
It doesn't have to be a monetarymanifestation.
Bingo. Yes, it has like some people
want to have a partner, like people who are single, right?
Like a lot of women. I'll listen to that lately.
Like I need a man that has this quality, this quality.

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OK, but how are you feeling withyourself?
Like are you at peace with yourself?
Are you happy with the woman youare and the choices you've made
and where you are? And then when they realize this,
like, oh, the guy will appear once your energy is radiating
your self-confidence and that you are happy and at peace with
yourself. So that's kind of like the the

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way that I see the law of attraction working.
It's like as soon as you fix yourself, your whole aura and
your whole energy is just kind of a magnet to the things that
are vibrating in your same frequency.
So if they are, you know, self like, you know, secure, like
self esteem up and everything's OK.
And so all the things that are in the same way frequency will

(01:10:23):
align that radio station with you as well.
So that that's what I mean. When, when, when I don't believe
a lot of it's I see a lot of gurus out there.
It's like, oh, you know, come tomy things in this or that and
I'll show you how to, you know, concentrate and manifest like no
one thing is to have a creative vision process, right, Like you.
OK, I want to be here in a year.I want to do these things and
you have to action these things.But, but how are you sitting

(01:10:43):
with the emotions right now to make these things happen?
So if you are at peace knowing that you already have it all and
that's basically what you're putting out there in the
universe, you're you're if, if you feel abundant, that's what
you're going to receive because you're putting out abundance.
It's kind of like an echo, like a, you know, a bat echo or
dolphin echo you're putting out there.
It's like abundance, abundance, abundance, like a ripple.

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And then it comes back abundance, abundance.
So it's part of that, right? And trusting the process
sometimes like not knowing whereyou're going means that you're
actually walking and making yourown path, right?
Like it's like you're not following somebody else's path.
Like, oh, I don't know if I'm doing what I'm, I'm doing, it's
right. Just follow your, your
instincts, right? And then what's the worst thing
that could happen? Well, like, you know, make a

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mistake. So you learn from it and then
you pick yourself up and you go again and, and, and I think
that's the whole like the beautyof life, like you can make
yourself over and over and over every day you have the chance of
doing it and doing it better andbetter and better, right?
Yeah, there isn't one path. Yes, exactly.
And then when you were drowning and you heard swim and you felt

(01:11:48):
a push, what was that? I don't know.
I can't explain it. Like it's, it's something like
it was a very, very soft whisper.
It was like in it's just like anenergy, like an energy that you
like, I felt something kind of grab and push me over, right?
And then while I was trying to move, it was kind of shifting me

(01:12:10):
through the water, right? So I'm like, there has to be
some kind of crossover between dimensions of things and you
know, spiritual guides or thingslike that.
And that's when like the the journey of the crow comes from
or the name is in, in these ceremonies, it was a constant
reminder of crows all the time, all the time, Right.
So it's like, oh, OK, so I believe that that is my spirit

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animal. And everywhere I go, like, it's
funny, like my wife at the beginning was a little bit
skeptical. Now she's thinking, oh, there's
your family all the time. Like there's always crows
around, There's always a crow around me.
And then and it always happens when I'm looking for an answer
like should I do this or should I do that?
Hey, there it goes. That's a good one.
So. You don't believe it was a big
sturgeon that just like pushed it towards the?

(01:12:53):
Rock. No, no, I don't think so.
I think it was just energy, likesome kind of.
Some Pisces out there turn out. No, no.
Yeah. Like Poseidon or something.
No, no, I don't know what it was.
I know it was a boost of energy,right?
Something that allowed me to I have like I felt warm right
during that moment was like in hypothermia.
I just numbed out. I just felt something really

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warm that kind of pushing me over, right, like just allowing
me to move right. And then it was.
Yeah, that was the most one of the most painful things that
you. Coughing out water and it was
like what's going on? Like even my sight, right?
Like I was, I would go back and forth like blackouts, like
what's happening. It's like it was really intense
to describe the emotion of what happened to the feeling, the
physical sensation. But I do know that two big

(01:13:37):
things were left. It's like the big love that I
felt and the warmth and then thehorrible feeling of coming back.
It's like, can't. I can't explain how it's like
you feel. I was almost there, yeah.
And you feel like, Oh no, this feels horrible.
I'm back into this dimension, back into this thing, almost.
In a happy place. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Highs and lows. So then the big question is why
are we all here? To be, to be ourselves, to be
authentic, to be your truth, to walk your truth.
There's no one way. It's just be yourself and that,
and that is the essence itself, right?
Like because we're never constant, we're always changing
or that's the only constant that's changed.
Like we're always changing, changing.

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It's a spiral like a spiral of evolution, right?
So just being, it's experiencing.
And then sometimes you don't know what miracle you can be to
somebody else's day by just being and doing something, even
opening the door, helping with the bag or, you know, the advice
you gave and the specific time they needed that that those are

(01:14:41):
synchronicities. That's the universe.
You know, it's like using ourselves as mirrors all the
time, because whoever you need at a certain time will, will
show up, right? It's like the, the, when the
student is ready, the the teacher will appear.
But it's the same way around, you know, when the teacher's
ready, then the student will appear.
So all these things are always mimicking back to us ourselves.

(01:15:03):
It's, it's just that it's being,being authentic and being
yourself, being true to what youbelieve.
And it doesn't mean that it has to be fixed.
Sometimes you can change the wayyou're thinking of something.
Today I can have an opinion on this.
And then tomorrow it's like, oh,OK, so now I've, I've seen this
and I've tried this and I've learned this and OK, maybe it's
like that. So it's just being open, you
know, to to the constant processof unlearning and learning,

(01:15:26):
unlearning and learning. Love that everybody's favorite
question. Yeah.
Did you bring a dad joke for us?Right.
Yes, yes. So.
Is this a you dad joke or is this a kid?
It's. A kid dad joke.
Yeah, yeah, because my kid tellsme dad jokes.
This is, that's our way of building, you know, our bond.
So I think, let me see if I can recall it correctly because I
don't want to screw the punchline.

(01:15:48):
So he says. Why did the skeleton miss the
prom? He didn't have a backbone.
Because he didn't have no body to go with.
There you go. There you go.
Kids, it's the best when they tell you the dad joke.
There's nothing better. My little 7 year old comes home

(01:16:09):
the other day and she goes, daddy, I got a dad joke for you.
I'm like, well you can bring it on kiddo.
She goes how many knees does a little boy have?
I'm like a left and a right. She goes, no, he has three a
left knee, a right knee and a weenie.
And coming out of her little frame, I'm like, OK, yes.

(01:16:32):
All right, Yeah, yeah. First off, where is this kid?
Yes. And did he show his weenie?
We gotta have a bigger a bigger talk, Ray.
Where can people connect with you man?
So Instagram, the journey of thecrow, Facebook and I recently
opened the YouTube channel cuz Iwanted to share with everybody

(01:16:53):
the the first 48 hours of the fasting experience.
So they kind of have an idea of what it was.
And probably I'll continue, you know, feeding the YouTube with a
little bit of what I was talkingabout.
Not only guided meditations and breathworks and things like
that, but also talking about random things like, OK, how do I
see the Bible tied with, you know, astrology and biology and
these things? To anybody who has, you know,

(01:17:16):
nothing else to do and wants to just listen while they're
cooking or whatever these interesting rabbit holes, then
you know, it'll, it'll, it'll fine, I think.
It'll make people think. Yeah, do it, man.
I love that kind of content. There's, there's space for that,
yeah. Yeah, awesome.
That was all about the fasting. I don't know that I could do 48
hours of not being able to like,work, see my kids like.

(01:17:36):
I don't know that I could like. Stay on my.
Phone, but I'd still want to go to work and like do my emails
and like that kind of stuff. I could give up the phone for 48
hours though. Yeah, I, I.
Had I don't know that I could sit solo for 48 hours myself.
So busy man, just the second my head went to food I'm like Nope
we're doing shit. Yeah, I almost feel like I don't
want to know who I really am for48 hours by myself.

(01:17:57):
You don't want to feast that demon.
Yeah, yes, yes. The funny thing is that I
thought I was going to have peace and surrendering and quiet
when I go. This cabin has no shades so it
was the almost moonlight like full moon and the huge pond had
like all the frogs that I haven't seen before in my life.
Or heard all night long. It was like a frog, a palooza,

(01:18:19):
like they were, I don't know, mating season, whatever it was.
And I couldn't sleep for the first two nights.
So while I was sweating out, youknow, the detox and this for
that. And I was like, like a lot of
things, you know, did cross the mind and dig the thoughts and
back and forth and the emotions and sitting down and crying and
I'm like, I can't sleep. I can't do this.
So it was it was intense. It was tough and the only thing

(01:18:40):
that I did use was my phone to record the experience, but I
didn't go like, you know, posting or this or that, like
like I have to keep myself away from the phone, right?
And then read, I was reading a pretty cool book called the The
Kundalini Serpent Rising. So talks about how to work
around the energies in your bodies, your chakras and
everything else. So it's a pretty good read that
that kind of has my eye on it for a while.

(01:19:04):
Well, interesting stuff man, cool journey.
So, so cool to talk about it, Ray.
Appreciate you making the time for us today man.
Chris. Thanks for being on the show,
but thank. You so much for the invite.
This is amazing. We'll chat soon man.

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