The Witch Movie Project Ep 3 - 'The Craft' (1996) vs 'Teen Witch' (1989) + Exclusive Interview w/ Robyn Lively! - The Witch Movie Project

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Whoa, that, the violin didn'tscare me that much, Courtney.
The witch laughing didn'tscare me that much.
You know why, though?
Because I am hyped up this weekfor the Witch Movie Project.
I know it's a couple days late,but we've got a really good reason.
to pull it back

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We
a little bit.
we've actually got interview with oneof these stars from one of these movies.
During
I never in a million yearsthought that was going to happen.
That was just total alignment ofthe universe being like, Oh, you're
going to talk about this movie?

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Well, then we're going to put thisperson right here in your lap to
actually come in physical contact with.
That's amazing.
the same week that this episode aired.
I know.
that's what I can't, I can't believe.
So that's why it's a little bit late.
Our two movies, we're not goingto tell you who the actor is that
we talked to, but our two moviesare Teen Witch and The Craft.

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To the best.
let's talk about this though, becauseOctober 26th is when this all comes
to the culmination of the big event atNovel Daybreak by Crested Communities.
Tell us about that, Courtney.
Can you wait for that?
I can't.
Oh my gosh.
It's like.
My entire life right now is leadingup to this one moment in time when

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hopefully we will have lots of peoplejoining us for our live podcast
Yes.
and movie screening ofone of these witch movies.
We're gonna have a costume contest.
We're gonna have people dress up.
It's gonna be a blast.
October 26th.
We are actually starting alittle bit early, so we said 6 p.
m.
for the movie, but I do havelike some fun things going on

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at Land of a Thousand Hills.
Coffee shop, which is right across thecourtyard from where the clubhouse is.
So we decided to do just kindof a meet and greet earlier.
So before the event starts,come to Land of a Thousand Hills
and do a little meet and greet.
They've got drinks, they've got food.
So you can, you know, get a littlerefreshment before the event starts.

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I love that.
And Land of a Thousand Hills, they'reactually sponsoring the costume contest.
So they're going to be providingcostume contest winners with prizes.
I don't know what those prizeslook like yet, but I bet it's
going to be some good stuff.
Thank you to Stacey, Pure Sweat,and Float Studio South Jordan.
And also, Cake Parties is goingto be putting on this event.

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It's going to be incredible in there.
I don't even know what we, Idon't know what to expect yet.
Like, it's going to be wild.
I just expect it to be a really good time.
Which is Night Out.
Oh
Night Out, what, what movie sofar that we've done are you hoping
to see get screened that night?
man, I didn't expect to like Suspiriaso much, but that's the one that

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keeps coming back in my head.
Suspiria has got a tight, it's,I've seen the voting on that and
Yeah, I
one that's really, really back and forth.
know, but we got some movies coming up inthe next few episodes too that are some
of my favorites, so it's hard to tell.
one of my favorites is coming up.
My pick is coming up, not in this episode,it's coming up, we'll see in a couple.

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But let's go ahead and get into this one.
This is Teen Witch versus The Craft.
Hope you enjoy it.
we've watched how manywitch movies so far?
Four?
We up to four?
Yeah, four.
And they've all been, what, horror movies?
Just straight up scareafter scare after scare.

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Because I think I'm the one thatshows off for the first ones, right?
It just
Right, yeah, we eachhad our list of picks.
I felt like we needed a palette cleanser.
What do you think?
Yeah.
episode.
Just, you, I, I know you have.
And do you want tointroduce these two movies?

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Or should I set them up and tell thepeople what we're going to dive into
without saying the names of the movies?
Even though they can see it,but I love doing it this way
because it's kind of fun.
But.
We're gonna dive into the world,wicked world and good world, of teenage
witchcraft that we did not, we didn'teven think about this when we paired

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these two movies up, but it's teenagewitchcraft, high school drama, 80s, 90s,
you got the late, late 80s, one from 89,
Yeah,
you got one from mid 90s, late 90s,
I know.
And so different.
When you look at like one from the 80s,it was like the peak of 80s hair, 80s

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clothes, 80s music style, all of that.
And then you have mid 90s andit's like peak 90s, right?
way, way not edgy.
It was, you know what?
It feels like they were made intwo totally different time periods.
Yeah, and it wasn't even that many years

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years, seven years apart is all like,that's the thing to me to think about.
Now that we put that into perspective,not only that, but there are other
similarities along with this, and itcouldn't be too, uh, More different
movies, honestly, but even the, the,the lead characters in both the Robins,
the battle of the Robins, you got Robinon one side and Robin on the other.

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all of that was unintentional.
I knew that these were both teenwitch movies, teenagers being
witches, and that's why I paired themtogether thinking that would be good.
When I watched them both back toback, I could not believe how many
things were, like, connected, oreven though they're so different,

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totally different types of movies.
One is very cheesy, one is, like, very,like, Even the people who were in it
were like, Ugh, that was terrible.
Over the top cheesy.
I think, I feel like it's on purpose.
It's gotta be on purpose.
Yeah.
For sure.
go ahead and what is that first movie?
What's the, what's the firstone we're talking about there?
Of course, the 1989 Teen Witch,

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Yes.
it was Hollywood's response to Teen Wolf,
Which,
a female
let me tell you this.
Now I'm going to, I will say, youknow, before I watched, I did dip off
into some of my medicinal cannabis.
Which leads me to putting on Teen Witchand getting about 15 to 20 minutes in

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and thinking, where is Michael J Fox?
Like that's really what I
Love to have Michael J.
Fox in this movie, by the way.
I would have loved that.
Oh, absolutely.
But tell me, what do you knowabout the, the, the, uh, the
Teen Wolf slash Teen Witch?
Yeah, so it's interesting because,um, and by the way, Mental Floss is
again coming in with all the facts.

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Super love, I mean, for some reasonthat's what always comes up when I'm
looking for cool, interesting facts.
But They had released, or they werewanting to release Teen Witch as a,
like, an offshoot of Teen Wolf andhave the same kind of font, logo,
poster, style, um, you know, maybekind of like reaching out to the female

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aud audiences, uh, for comparison.
But once they made the movie, theyrealized it kind of sits on its own.
It was its own thing, and so theydidn't end up kind of partnering them.
Well, that makes a little moresense because like you said, the
font, even the font on the, the,uh, the artwork, it's the same.

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It's, it's, it's wild how they hadthat common, they had that, uh,
crossover and then, and then cut it,I guess, somewhere in the production
Yeah, didn't end up having likeas much of a crossover, but yeah.
Yeah.
So tell us, um, the plot, likewhat's the plot of, of Teen Witch?
And,

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is what I loved.
I watched it when I was younger, sothis is me bringing it back and kind of
doing the whole watch a movie from yourchildhood and see how does it hold up?
How do I feel about it now as an adult?
And I loved like, Opening sequence,there's the whole 80s MTV music vibes with
mist and, you know, the hair is rocking.

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There's glitter, slow motionwalking, all that good stuff.
It's so 80s.
It's fantastic.
um, let's not forget that the, um,the music right here in the beginning.
Is this when we hear, what'sthe, what's the song we hear?
We hear, uh, the, the rap song herefrom, um, from the, from the boys.

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And I believe it's the high school blues.
Yeah, High School Blues, thesethree white boys rappin And, you
know what's interesting is, therewas no soundtrack to the movie.
They didn't, even though there's acouple of musical numbers, kind of.
There's cheerleaders dancingin the, um, in the locker room.

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Oh yeah.
number about boys.
I like boys, or
Yep.
This was a, it was a musical.
There was a musical going
Yeah, but they didn't make a soundtrack.
They didn't record anythingand release the soundtrack.
And so they had to redo it years laterwith some other vocalists, some other
people that redid the music, and thenthey could release those, um, they even

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did a Teen Witch, um, they tried to doa Teen Witch musical, maybe on Broadway.
Um, Will Ferrell wasinvolved, Kristen Wiig.
Some people were gonna, um, kindof revive Teen Witch as a musical.
So
I think that there's actually,uh, a teen witch live.
If it's not still there, it wasmaybe a couple of years ago at the

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Groundlings Theater in Los Angeles.
yeah.
Yeah.
Might still be there, not sure.
Um, but it's, it's, uh, very,it's very obvious to me also.
This was one of the first movies that,for the white kids, sure, we look,
now, yeah, it's, it's, it's hilarious.

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You look back at these, thesethree rappers, and here's, I got
the lyrics, here's taking ourtime when we're feeling cool.
Don't really need a bag hanging at school.
It's okay.
We got nothing to lose.
Can't you see, baby?
It's the high school blues.
Now, like,
sure, I love it.
I laughed.
I thought it was great.

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But, you know what I gotta do is givecredit here because this is one of
the first movies that I can recallthat did not stereotype whoever
was on the other side of the music.
If you would have seen a groupof white kids in another movie,
it would have been rock music.
It would have been FastTimes at Ridgemont High.
It wouldn't have been hip hop music.

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I really gotta give ashout out right there.
And give credit to whoever's decisionthat was as corny as it looks.
corny.
I, yeah,
did, I did appreciate, I hadan appreciation for that.
that's awesome.
I think I would have maybe paid money tosee you watch that for the first time.
Oh, I'm going to tell you now.

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Okay.
So we haven't told the peoplethis is, this is the first
time I have seen this movie
Okay.
was my first watch of
Love it.
Um, I will say that I had it on andmaybe I leaned over for a minute
and I was looking at something else.
And part hit and I was like,whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
And I hit, I grabbed the, I grabbedthe controller here on the Apple TV.

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And I, I had to run itback and start it over.
I mean, I pulled up thelyrics for it, Courtney.
I mean,
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
I think the music is where it's at with,
It's in my,
you.
I think you, yeah, you'llpay attention to that.
And by the way, we're talkingabout the musical numbers,
the, uh, the cheerleader dance.
I like boys.
They do in the locker room.
That is the only appearanceyou'll see of Rita Wilson, who

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was one of the dancers there.
no way.
Yeah.
So then I thought, thinking back at whenI watched this movie when I was a kid,
I was like, yeah, I remember that movie.
I only remember one person in it.
I, I thought everyone else isprobably like a no name person.
You probably, they probablyweren't in anything else.
I couldn't rememberanything about anyone else.

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The only person I remember from it was,um, see her name, Zelda Rubinstein.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cause I love the poltergeist movie.
I mean, she's infamousfor being the medium and.
This house is clear.
Yeah, yeah, oh absolutely.
Yeah, that's, maybe, I think youcould be a good remake for, if

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they remake the Poltergeist, maybeyou could step into that role.
Sign me up.
Yeah, I think that'd beyou, cause that, what, that
I love her.
what you just did there, that's,that's, Hey, that's top notch, Courtney.
That's Oscar award winning.
Yeah.
Well, she's adorable.
She's four foot three.
She's got that adorable voice and she ishilarious in this movie as Madam Serena.

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I love her.
And I remembered her being in it,but then I look at the rest of the
cast and there's Robin Lively, right?
We talked about how it's a Robin inthis movie and a Robin in The Craft.
Sorry if I spoiled it, that's theother movie we're doing today.
If they hadn't figuredit out by now, then yeah.
yeah, well, and it's interestingbecause I was like, Oh, you

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know, this girl's cute, whatever.
And I'm looking up the,you know, the details.
I'm like, Robin Livelyis Blake Lively's sister.
What?
How relevant is that right now?
She's all over the news.
Her husband, Ryan Reynolds,they're so in right now.
yeah.
Oh yeah.
And then you have, you got some otherheavy hitters in the movie as well.

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Like it's not, it doesn't, you know,there's who else, who else did you,
did you pick out before I get into
Yeah, so this is what's super interesting.
I always thought the brotherwas kind of this like creepy.
He does a really good job ofbeing this creepy, disgusting,
annoying little brother.
He was 14 at the time.
Joshua Miller plays him.
And what's so interesting about himis he is like, Um, famous family.

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I'm reading here on, um, the MentalFloss article about this movie,
but he's the son of, uh, playwrightJason Miller, who's Oscar nominated.
Um, he has a grandfather, BrunoBernard, who's one of the world's first
celebrity photographers, and he is, um,in the new movie with Russell Crowe.

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It's the exorcism.
I've seen, I saw the Exorcism movie.
Now, I don't want to get toofar off topic, but that movie.
Not too bad.
I don't know if you've seen it yet.
You should check that
No, but I mean, what a perfect movieto go right in through this genre that
we're, you know, already talking about.
He's in, he's, you know, he's rocking it.

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So, good for him.
Good for Joshua Miller.
That's all I can say about that.
right.
And what do you, who else you got there?
Who else you got?
Okay, so, uh, Louise, the maincharacter, played by Robin Lively,
she's, uh, got a famous dad.
I know when we were, like, watching,I kept thinking, he looks so familiar.
Who is he?

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And then it's funny because in thecraft to connect those movies, there's a
scene where they're watching Bewitched.
Oh, and he's, ah, I see.
Look at you making a
Dick Sargent, it plays, uh,Louise's father, he's Darren
Stevens from Bewitched.
And I know, I don't want to gettoo far off topic, but we don't
talk about Bewitched in this movie.

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Witch movie project because it's aTV show, but I will say one thing.
I watched a lot of Bewitched whenI was a kid, lots of Bewitched.
And I always felt so frustratedthat Darren would not let his
wife practice her witchcraft.
She's a witch, Darren.
Kay, you're married to a witch.
How is, how fair is that?
Just, just take advantage of the factthat you have this amazing, awesome wife

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and stop trying to harsh her vibe, right?
Right.
I mean,
That's all I have to say about that, okay?
I just had to, I justhad to rant for a second.
You can rant all you want.
it irritated me so much as a kid.
Here was little five year old Courtneywatching Nick at Night, Bewitched, and
I was like, Why is he such a jerk to his
Hold it down.

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That's just, we can get intothat about how society's been.
Know what we better not?
Yeah, well,
rant?
that's, that's, that is, there'sa lot I could say about that.
I could go on for a
yeah, so let's not do that
was in both movies, Iwanted to point that out.
But yeah, he plays her dad, sohe makes a couple of appearances
in this movie, so that's kind ofa little cameo nod to Bewitched.

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It's kind of cute.
Wow, that's a great one there.
What else you got?
Who else you got?
I like this.
Let's see what else you got.
So, I've been dying to askyou, so, In this movie, she's
finding out she turned 16.
She's getting powers for her, uh,a lot of movies about teen witches
are kind of along those lines thatthere's a theme there where it's

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like you reach a certain age, you'regoing to come into your powers.
And that's what Louise is discoveringabout herself, but she's centering
it around how much she has thiscrush on this football player boy.
He's the popular boy in schooland she wants to get him.
Did you recognize him, Brad?
I did not.

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I did not.
I, I, I, not off the top of my head.
I did not.
I
of your favorite shows, he makes a cameoappearances in one of your favorite shows.
Oh, uh,
was this the Boy Meets World?
No,
Cause I
but you are, you are onthe right, the right page.

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Okay.
So if you noticed, um, Brad,Brad's played by Dan Gothier.
Gothier?
I think I'm saying that right.
Um, he makes an appearance on acouple of episodes of Friends.
No way!
As Chip Douglas.
Chip!
Chip!

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Right?
Monica goes out on a date withChip and he used to date Rachel.
Do
I didn't
remember him?
I did not even put that together.
That's insane.
I know!
Blows your mind.
So
I can pull up one even, evencrazier here for myself, and I'm
gonna have to put this out there.
Zelda and Mandy, who plays Pollyin, in, in the movie, they were in a

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little, little lesser known spinoffof Cheers called The Tortellis.
There's only very, very fewpeople have ever seen that.
And me being
Oh my gosh!
Cheers related.
And they're in that, it'scalled the Tortellis.
And it was a spinoff ofCarla and her family.

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And it only lasted a couple episodes.
Believe me, that's, that's, that'sknowledge that I'm pulling out.
So,
I totally thought I recognized her.
Yes!
that's them.
Yeah, Polly!
The girl who plays Polly.
Mandy.
Mandy Engber.
Engber is their
Yes.
So she is, um, uh, shehas had some quotes.

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Uh, this was like, she called this herworst summer job was filming Teen Witch.
Oh, I believe it.
I believe in
so embarrassed about the, um, topthat rap that she gives in the movie.
She says, that's on the internet forever.
She will never live it down.
Right?
I hate to tell her, but there's way worsestuff out there on the internet than that.
So, she doesn't have much to worry about.

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We love it, Mandy.
That was Mandy, right?
Yeah.
I love it.
Okay, so we're, we're,the plot is super simple.
We're not really following along with themovie and that's okay because, honestly,
it's just girl comes into her powers.
This object, this necklace finds her.
She has this witchy shopthat she keeps going back to.

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Madam Serena is there to kind ofbe her guide and her mentor and
how to, um, Use these powers.
I love Madam Serena because she'sover there like, I'm going to use this
young girl's powers to get me some.
And she turns a frog into ahandsome young man for herself.
Yeah, and what did she bringin on that, on that plate?

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I saw, I saw a bong on there.
I'm like, what?
And she's like, I neverdo this for people.
And I'm like, whoa, wait a minute now.
Like 1989.
She's, she's, yeah.
What was it?
Yeah, I know.
She's pretty hip.
I gotta say.
Yeah.
I love the scene where she's, she'stalking kind of consoling Louise.
Louise is kind of, uh, you know, goingthrough a rough time and she's like,

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Pats her lap, and they, she goes tosit on her lap, but she's like, way
bigger than her, so they have toswitch places because they laugh, like,
she's gonna go sit on her lap instead.
So you gave the plot right there.
And basically if you take what yousaid and mix that in with cheesy
special effects and some catchy tunes,

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Yep.
the movie, like that's it,that's, that's what you have.
Yep.
Which is interesting because I,again, did not think about all these
parallels, but the craft, Our secondmovie, having all these little things
that kind of connect where it's likethere's a scene, quite a few scenes
actually with the kind of popularcheerleader girls in the locker room.

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You've got the witchy shop with a sort ofmentor like character that is consoling.
Robin.
Tunny, the, uh, who plays Sarah, um,when she's struggling with her powers
and what's going on in her life, she goesback to the witchy shop and gets consoled.
I mean, this is like, it's so interestingbecause you take Teen Witch, you make it

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darker and more goth and a little bit ofhorror in there and you get the craft.
exactly.
And you throw a snake inthere too, and that's it.
And that's what's always keptme from watching the craft.
I've, I've, I've watched it.
Are we, before we hop, arewe done with Teen Witch?
Do you have a final thought onthat before we get to our, to the
craft and my phobia of snakes?

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Yeah.
Okay.
So we'll, we'll, we'll let yourest for a second more, um,
Cause I'm, you
up on Teen Witch.
I had a couple of notes here.
Um, I loved, uh, when she's learninghow to use her powers and she's learning
how to use the words, the will, theway, all the things that I teach about
magic and how that actually plays out.
Um, she's calling the winds, um, you know,kind of practicing these spells, learning

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how to get a little stronger with them.
Again, she uses glamor magic likethey do in the craft where she makes
herself up to be really super popular.
Cute.
Her 80's style when she isdressing up, it's, it's, Absolutely
gorgeous 80s style outfits.
I mean, I would absolutely wear some ofthose outfits today, but Robin Lively

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said that those were some of her realoutfits that her mom dressed her in.
So she just showed up on set.
Her mom just dressed herand showed up on set.
I mean, that's
Her mom was in it.
Like her mom had it going on.
She knew exactly what to put her in.
And she had like in one scene, shehad like the one jeweled earring.
It was like just on one side.
I almost wore that todayjust for fun, but I was like,

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I'm kind of disappointed thatyou didn't put that on today.
yeah, just one earring.
Yeah, oh, just peak, peak 80s style.
Just amazing.
Um, but I wrote down, uh, thewhole thing, the whole time.
Kind of the, the theme herewas she's doing all this to get
the attention of this guy, thisfootball player, this popular guy.

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This is kind of, um, 16 Candles,uh, she's driving around in his cool
sports car that's a convertible andshe's, you know, she's trying to get
the guy Brad, but there is somethingthat just doesn't feel right.
None of it feels real.
She knows that this isn't her realself and that she's kind of getting
his attention based on, uh, Youknow, kind of false pretenses.

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And, uh, I wrote down, this is howI feel when I wear false eyelashes.
Every time I've tried to wear fakenails or fake eyelashes, I feel
like I'm walking around as a fraud.
And I have to tell everybody, Iliterally, my friends could tell you,
I go to like a party or somethingand I'm wearing like fake nails.

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They're like, Oh, I love your nails.
And I go, they're not real.
They're not real.
You just have to do it.
You just have to do that, huh?
Do not like the feeling oflike, this isn't actually me.
This isn't actually who I am.
So I get that.
And I think that's a great messageas a teen movie anyways, to be
like, Hey, you can doll yourselfup all you want, express yourself.

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Just know that when you are true toyourself, that's when it really matters.
Right.
Oh, I love that.
I love that.
That's a great message there, right?
So at the end, I mean, shekind of gives up the power.
She gives up the necklace, butshe's like, I'm just going to be me.
And I'm going to make surethat Brad likes me for me.
Um, she still gets the guy.

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She's a prom.
They get to dance.
By the way, Robin Lively, uh, saidthat she reenacted the dance scene at
the prom for Blake and Ryan's wedding.
No way.
Just a side note.
And we
a little
invited?
I know.
We'll tag them.
We'll be invited next time.

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We love Blake.
We love Ryan.
We went to Deadpool.
We love, we love all that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I gotta say for my first watch,this movie was incredible.
I'm going to definitely watch it again.
I love, I love like the,the high school stuff.
I love the high school.
Movies that it's the nostalgia.

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It's all of that.
It brings back some of your ownmemories, but at the same time you're
like, my school didn't look like that.
It didn't look perfect.
And then there's all the stuff that comesalong with the teenager, being a teenager.
And I also think it's pretty funnythat None of them kids are kids.
They're all 25 years old and more.

(26:48):
Oh yeah.
and, but they're playing it.
And I love, but I did, Ireally thought it was fun.
It was honestly just like watching somekids go to school and live life for the
first, what, 30 minutes of the movie.
Um, there's, you know, andI was just enjoying it.
I was like, ah, yeah,this is, this is my vibe.
And this is the one that's not scary.
You can put this on with the kids on.

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Like, I thought this was, Solid choice.
Oh yeah.
Worth a watch.
Worth, like, a family movienight or something like that.
And, uh, and then, as you talk abouthigh school experiences, that's where,
um, in switching to the craft, thisis where I really, uh, Resonated.

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I was like, this is takingme back to high school.
So hardcore.
And it's more realistic to me as myhigh school experience than anything
that was like Teen Witch or Saved bythe Bell or, uh, you know, this kind
of like idealistic version of like, youknow, the skater kids and the whatever.

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It was like, yeah, my high schoolexperience was a lot more like the craft.
Unfortunately, orfortunately, I'm not sure.
that's why you're here isbecause you're the expert.
You're the, you're my insideexpert on what's going on here.
But I, I gotta say that they did agreat job in the craft of capturing

(28:15):
that, that look, because I can't,we're we're children from the nineties.
We went to school in the nineties.
I mean, we're, I'm, I'ma child of the eighties.
We're not gonna sayanything else about Ms.
Courtney Pearl here.
I'm hundreds of years old.
What are you, you seven?
What?
How, how old are you?
Um,

(28:36):
so where was I going with that?
Yeah, so the 90s.
the nineties, like this,this, the look they had.
We all knew a group of these girls,I, even now in my neighborhood that
we're, we're in, I, I'll see a group ofgirls walking down the, the sidewalk.

(28:58):
Every once in a while.
I'm like, oh, there goes the craft.
You know, I , I automatically thinkbecause there's, there's just this look.
Is that what that's this is
This movie was like thebirth of goth, right?
Like that kind of look wasn't asmainstream until this movie came out.
And this became the black lipstick,the, um, oh gosh, it's, they were in

(29:24):
a Catholic school, so Catholic schooluniforms, but they each had their own
way of wearing it that was just liketo their personality a little bit.
it's almost like a fresh prince The freshprince of bel air when he had when he went
to the prep school, but he had his jacketon It was did you notice that their that
their getup what they were wearing in themovie went from kind of dull And then as

(29:49):
they got powerful powerful in the movieStarted they started getting more makeup.
They started getting did you noticethat because I picked up on yeah Yeah,
and this was not this was probablyI gotta say, and I think I already
mentioned it, but this is probably onlythe second time I've ever seen this
movie because I can't deal with snakes.
I got a huge phobia it.

(30:13):
I freeze up.
I'm literally, I'm not afraid of, Imean, sure I'm afraid of them, but it's
not a, I can't tell myself to not be.
If I see a picture ofone, I just freeze up.
Just something in my body reacts.
It's finally, I was able to powerthrough and watch the craft.
shut your eyes.

(30:33):
It's so funny that after like we talkedabout Suspiria last week and we're talking
about like the blood and gore of thatmovie was so much and then the snakes
in this movie are what does you in but
it.
That's the
totally true.
There's so much.
You just, if you have a phobia,you have a visceral reaction to it.
And there is a scene where, when they'regetting ready to call, um, invoke the

(30:54):
spirit, um, in that scene, and she's gotthe snake in her hands, and she's like,
they're very misunderstood creatures.
They deserve respect.
Um, I wrote down how, Uh, theserpent is a very feminine symbol.
It represents the goddess most often,and even in, um, Christian or in the,

(31:16):
uh, Hebrew Bible, the story of, um,the snake tempting Adam, it was, uh,
Believed to be a code or a symbolof the goddess or of maybe perhaps
Lilith, who was tempting Adam, not anEve, not just an actual literal snake.
So, the snake or serpentis a very feminine energy.

(31:38):
So you're saying, if I get this right,and maybe this explains a lot from my
own high school, is that my phobia ofsnakes means I'm just terrified of women.
Is that what it is?
Okay.
Something to explore.
That's why I was
to think about.
yeah, that's why I was so awkwardwhen I was, you know, approaching
females in, in, in my early days.

(31:59):
I mean, I asked my wife, I'mstill awkward approaching her now.
So.
Yeah, well, this, this movie, if thismovie isn't triggering to your high
school days, it definitely was for me.
Um, I took note of some moments thatwere obviously references to very, like,
sexist, misogynist, and racist comments.

(32:19):
And I thought to myself, the 90s wasreally the peak of that testosterone
energy in high school, where itwas like, Okay to treat women, you
know, use words like slut and whoretowards women to degrade them.
And, uh, some of the commentsmade to the girls when they're
being bullied by other girls.
It's just awful.

(32:40):
it is.
And I really do think you're,you're onto something there because
there were a lot of stuff said.
There was, it was awful.
The racism in the movie, honestly,after researching it, the racism had
to be written into the movie whenRachel True got cast as Rochelle.

(33:00):
Yes, and she was the firstone cast of the four girls.
Yeah, so she wasn't too excited, toothrilled about that, I don't believe,
until later on and she understood,but I'm kind of with her on that, I
don't, I'm with her but at the sametime I do see it because it was a big,

(33:21):
it's hard to say it's a bigundertone, but it was in the movie,
it was there, it was relevant,
there.
Yeah.
and it was there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was there and it was uncomfortable.
How about that?
It was uncomfortable.
That racism to me is moreuncomfortable than evil witches.
Yeah, exactly.
And I think that was kind of the point.

(33:42):
Um, it's interesting because theproducer, uh, Doug Wick said that they
forced them to have an R rating for thismovie, even though there was nothing in
it other than teens practicing magic.
They said teens practicing black magic wasthe only reason they gave it an R rating.
He said this is a modernday witch burning.

(34:02):
Ha ha ha.
you, anything with the MPAA, you might aswell throw out the fucking window outside.
I only, and I know I said F right there.
I said, fucking, because theMPAA would just censored it.
And I'm don't get me startedon FCC or MPAA for any kind of
ratings, because yeah, that's awhole crooked thing in its own, but

(34:27):
Well, in reality, this movie didrepresent and show witchcraft in
a probably more accurate light.
Um, they had, um, consultants on setthat were Wiccan to make sure that they
were respectful of the Wiccan religion.
And I do want to point out,so in the beginning you see
the pentacle symbol, right?

(34:48):
And the pentacle is the starwithout the circle around it,
um, the five pointed star.
The five pointed star with acircle around it is a pentagram.
But this is a representation, or itcomes in Christian as the five points
where Jesus is nailed to the cross,and it is a protection symbol in most,

(35:09):
um, witchcraft or Wiccan come from.
If you see it upside down withthe ram's head, that is typically
used in Satanism or by Satanists.
So when she asks them in thebeginning of the movie, when Sarah
starts, she's, uh, brought into thiscoven because they need a fourth.
They've been trying to call thefour corners and they've been

(35:31):
trying to invoke with, uh, And theyneed a fourth person to do that.
And they find out Sarahis already powerful.
And Sarah is not into all this.
Like she has never been dabbled inwitchcraft or anything like that.
So she's like, what is Manon?
And what is, is it the devil?
Or is that like God?

(35:52):
She's, you know, kind oftrying to understand like most
people who don't understandwitchcraft or, or what Wicca is.
And, um, they're like,no, it's, it's everything.
It's, it's like if God and thedevil were playing football, Manon
would be the field they play onand the sun that shines on them.
yeah.
Wow, what a beautiful image.
What a great way to describe it.

(36:12):
Although they still usethe patriarchal hymn
Yeah.
in describing the deity ofManon, but for the most part
This was 1996, so they hadn't,they hadn't crossed quite over
completely to letting women
to the goddess.
be, be, be in stuff.
Yeah.
Um, no, I, that's, I love that.

(36:33):
That's, that's, um, great, great insight.
And much of that stuff, howmuch of that was, was realistic?
Like, I guess is a
very accurate.
I mean, even to today's standards,like, so you go into one of these
like witchcraft or witchy, uh, orcrystal shops or healing shops.

(36:54):
I mean, they all kind ofoverlap in a lot of ways.
And so, You'll see a lot ofthe same stuff that you saw in
the witch shop when they go in.
Um, Bonnie picks up, played byNev Campbell, by the way, picks
up a journal that she wants, andit has a triangle symbol on it.
And, um, you know, it's justa It could be a lot of things.

(37:15):
I mean, it's just a triangle, butrepresents perfectness and unity.
It represents the element of fireand it is the, um, masculine symbol.
So, you know, there's a lot of likelittle things in the background, things
that you would see and the books thatshe hands them about invoking the

(37:36):
spirit or about using witchcraft.
It's like, you can absolutely goto witchy shops now and pick up a
lot of really great information.
So, Thierry?
that.
Now talking about the witchy shop,that's Panpipes Magical Witch Shop.
Yes.
I have been there.
It's on Santa Monica Boulevard

(37:57):
Wow.
Yeah.
lived there for a while.
Yeah, I have been, I've been, now I usedto dabble into the witch shops, not into
anything other than going in and looking,but yeah, I have been to Panpipes.
I believe it is.
And somebody, somebody from themovie actually bought that store.
Um,
Oh, yeah.
For, um, Farooza Balk, who plays Nancy,

(38:21):
that's
was not a pagan or wasn't even reallyaware of pagan things until she did
this movie and she realized this makesa lot of sense and she became a pagan
after filming this movie and she boughtthat shop to save it from going under.
it's still there.
I believe it's still there.
Um,
she's incredible, by the way.
I love
like, like, I love that.

(38:42):
I love that though.
And then Let's get to a little bit ofthe, the, the, the plot of the movie.
I mean,
it's almost the same aswe had in, in Teen Witch.
It's teenage witchcraftand kids in high school
Yeah.
fill in the
How did you like thesoundtrack to this movie?
This one was, this one wasa banger from the beginning.

(39:05):
So good.
track out of the gate was,uh, what was the, what was it?
It was, there's a
I wrote down everything that I could.
Portis head track in there.
That was that hit hard.
Jewel,
yeah, like
Juliana Hatfield, Lettersto Cleo, Space Hogs.
I was just writing themdown as they were coming up.

(39:27):
I'm like, oh, oh, that's a good one.
Oh, that's another good one.
So, I mean, if nothing else, you haven'twatched a movie yet, or this isn't
your thing, go get the soundtrack.
I think that's like Fantastic.
was even, um, John Lennonand Paul McCartney.
Like, they're even on Tomorrow,they did Tomorrow Never Knows.
Um, the entire thing was You couldactually just Yeah, you should just

(39:52):
get the soundtrack and let's do it.
This was the soundtrack of the 90s.
Um, speaking of that, the cast, um,you'll notice a lot of people were in
Scream, um, Robin Tunney that came fromEmpire Records, um, uh, some of the same
people that were in Clueless, you getkind of like all those, in fact, Alicia

(40:13):
Silverstone was, uh, Considered forthe part of Sarah before, but she was
done with Clueless and she had anotherproject or something that she was doing.
So, can you imagine?
Yeah, what would that be like?
I mean, she would've
from Clueless as Cher and thenplaying Sarah the Witch on The Craft.
let's talk more about Manning.

(40:38):
Mm hmm.
Who is Manning?
Um, well, a lot of thiscomes from the Wiccan faith.
So, like, If paganism was a indoctrinatedreligion, Wicca would probably be it.
And so a lot of people thinkwitch, they think Wicca.
And a lot of what these girls arepracticing and what, um, the rule of

(41:00):
three they talk about many times islike, if you are pointing your finger
at someone else casting spells, youhave three fingers pointed back at you.
You'll get whatever you send outinto the universe three times.
And whether that's an accuratedepiction of how energy works, um, I
go into that a little bit on my show.

(41:21):
But, uh, that's kind of likea rule, and, um, so Wiccan has
its definite, like, doctrine.
It has its books that rules tofollow, um, you know, covens that
you join, and there are leaderships.
So Manon, I think, is Um,coming from that tradition or

(41:42):
coming from that belief system.
So it's like they have theirdeity that they worship.
And when they say invokingthe spirit, um, in the movie,
they're talking about his spirit.
They're like invoking thatdeity into their body,
But Monon is not a real spiritin the, in the Wiccan world.
That's just made up for the movie, right?

(42:04):
I believe so.
But it's coming from a lot of them.
They wanted to be very respectfulof the Wiccan tradition.
So they didn't want anything to offend.
The Wiccan people.
Which, now which, which, W I C H, W H I CH, goes to when they do the spells in the,

(42:26):
in the movie, they're doing actual Wiccan,
Mhm.
casting, I guess.
Yeah.
I wrote down a lot of the chantingthat they do, and when they say, In
perfect love, in perfect trust, Andas they're joining the circle to
cast spells, Those are all usablechants and spells that are used.

(42:50):
As above, so below.
that goes to real life, because anofficial website, I don't know if
you've looked or seen any of this,but there's an official website.
For the movie.
And they talked about the crewhaving strange and mysterious
occurrences happen on set whilethey were filming these scenes,

(43:11):
Oh yeah.
what happened was there was at one time,a flock of bats was hovering over the set.
There was times when the candleswould go out automatically,
water started raising up
Yeah!
point.
Like there's only when theywould do, uh, what was the line?
Nancy says, man, and fill me right at thatexact moment is when the water started.

(43:36):
There's no way that they were,they weren't controlling the water.
They
Yes!
Yes!
Yes!
yeah, that's
They had a park ranger tell themexactly where to set up their whole
thing for the scene so that the waterwouldn't be in their way, and During
that invoking the spirit scene, theystill had the water come up, the waves
came up, and um, washed out the set.

(43:57):
I
was Andrew Fleming, the director, evensaid that every time the girls started the
ceremony and only when they would startthe ceremony, the waves would start coming
up tremendously fast, pounding heavily.
Then right when Nancy says her line,Manon, feel me right at that exact moment.
We lost power.
It was very strange.
That's, that's an exactquote from Andrew Fleming.

(44:20):
So that's.
mean,
There is something weird going on.
Like, there's, you don't mess aroundin there and do real witchcraft and
not expect, they don't know, thewitches out there don't know, right?
On the other dimension or whatever.
How is that happening?
How does that work?
Do we have to communicate and say, hey,we're going to do some chanting, we don't
mean it, just for shits and giggles.

(44:43):
Like, how do we convey thatto the other world there?
I know that there are certain, um,
recommended techniques, um, for cleansingand warding, and anytime someone is
going to cast a circle or, or, uh,perform any kind of anything, even when
I'm doing healing work, which is notnecessarily Witchcraft by any typical

(45:08):
definition, but I personally don'treally see a whole lot of division.
Anyway, um, you would want to kindof set things up with your intention
and you do warding and protecting.
Um, when I'm reading tarot, I don't justpull out my cards and just start doing it.
I usually start with some kind of awarding and protecting, a meditation,
a drumming, um, a drawing of thecircle or the calling of the corners.

(45:31):
There's a lot of different ways to do it.
Um, setting your intention forwhat you're about to do and
saying, this is what I'm doing.
This is the route, you know, I don'twant any harm to come to me or to anyone.
Um, and that kind of thing, thatwould have been a good idea.
I don't know if they had anybodydoing that on set, but it sounds like,
uh, definitely the power they wereinfluencing on what they were doing.

(45:56):
It must've had an impact.
I mean, as I said, um, the girl whoplays Nancy, She believed in it.
Once she started doing this workwith the, with the crew on this
movie, she was like, I, this is,there's something real to this.
There's something that Ireally am feeling here.
So with the heart, with the will and theway and the words all happening all at

(46:18):
once, I guess they couldn't escape thosestrange things from happening, right?
No,
on the, back to the topic of theWiccan, because we're talking about it.
Are all witches wicked?
Okay.
Okay.
yes.
I'm glad you asked that because I havea lot of people that tell me they're
like, how can you call yourself a witch?

(46:39):
Like, so you're Wiccan andI'm like, no, I'm not Wiccan.
I'm a solitary practitioner.
I'm not part of a coven.
I practice witchcraft inmy own way, in my own time.
And, um, and there are, You know,plenty of people that do that and
even being pagan doesn't necessarilymean that you're witch or I think
that there again is a lot of overlap.

(46:59):
I think there's a lot of like,
Yeah.
you know, when you're doing energywork and that kind of thing.
Uh, and energy healing.
Some people like to stay in their lane andbe like, Nope, I'm none of those things.
I'm just an energy healer orwhatever, you know, their personal
beliefs or spirituality is.
But for me, um, yeah, I followa lot of people that are

(47:22):
just solitary practitioners.
They just practice witchcraft.
So,
Now tell me which branch ofwitchcraft then does light as a
feather stiff as a board come in?
Because that scene had me shook.
Where does that
so, um, I would call that the covenof all teenage girls at a sleepover.

(47:48):
Right?
And boys, because I definitelytried light as a feather stiff as a
They do?
I never tried it.
Did it work?
that never happened.
What
No, I've heard so many stories offriends who are like, Oh my gosh,
I totally tried it and it worked.
And I'm skeptical, but alsoI'm kind of like, maybe it did.
Maybe something happened.

(48:08):
I don't know.
I personally have never tried it.
I have not delved into thekind of things that I do now,
um, until the last few years.
So I was not a teenage witch.
I, I would love if anybody out therehas done this or wants to do this.
With us.
got, we got to try this.
If you've seen it happening and really

(48:28):
all for
to hear it.
They, hit us up.
Hit us up.
I want to hear some stories on that.
Yeah.
that scene, and then when shesays, what's the line she says,
you got to try that or something?
Yeah.
Yeah, you do.
I'd love to try that.
And when she's like,guys, it's not working.
And she's this far off the ground, thatscene was that that's when it that's

(48:49):
when the movie really got fun for me.
Um, and out of the, just thehigh school part, it was like,
Oh, we're getting serious now.
Like, this is like, what's up?
Like, that's
Of all the spells you see in thismovie, I think Light is a Feather,
Stiff is a Board is the most relatable.
The most, like, oh, we've all tried that.
Like, kind of a thing.
And heard stories.

(49:10):
Like we said, it's a myth.
It's worked.
It's not worked.
It's, you know, I love that.
That's something that they broughtinto the movie, like you said, that
related to everybody, and then theygo into the deeper, darker stuff.
And why are they doing that?
What is this battle between these witches?
And so this is, again,taking you back to the 90s.

(49:32):
Those of us who remember that timeperiod and being in high school.
Um, I don't know if high schoolis still like it was in the 90s.
Uh, I would like to think we've grown.
We're in an awakened,um, era, time period.
Um, a new renaissance, if you will.
But in the 90s, there was a very Bigclass distinction between the popular

(49:53):
kids, those that belong, those thatare accepted, and those that are not.
And, um, I don't know if, you know, alot of movies in this time period came
out that were like high school things.
Um, they came out kind of with that themeof like, these are the weirdos, right?
Nancy is a self proclaimedweirdo and they're bullied.

(50:17):
they even tell, when they'reon the bus, the, she's, he
says, look out for the weirdos.
We are those weirdos.
I love that.
That hit.
I wish I had the confidence of Nancy,uh, In that, you know, when I was that
age, I wish I had the confidence tojust like have my little goth heart
be out there and, and be myself.
I was the theater kid, um, which is almostthe same kind of geek, but I was not into

(50:43):
like witchcraft and things like that yet.
But I, um, What I want to pointout with this is that witchcraft
in all of the centuries that webring it up in, it often stems from
a place of powerlessness, right?
Like, marginalized groups andsocieties, um, you know, uh, Rochelle,

(51:10):
you know, being called names, racistnames by the bully who, by the way,
was played by, uh, Christine Taylor.
She's, uh, Ben Stiller'swife, played Marsha Brady.
Love that.
look at you.
Hmm.
she is obviously bullyingand making her feel terrible.
And, um, and so what's a way tofeel like you can gain your power

(51:32):
back that you can feel like,listen, I don't have to take this.
I don't have to, um, degrade myself.
Uh, like, witchcraft was a way, and Italk about this a little bit in the first
episode of Practically Magic I decidedto do on curses, because I wanted to talk
about, well, is cursing necessarily bad?

(51:53):
Or is there a purpose for it sometimes?
And, um, and she does the spell withthe braid magic, where she takes her
hair, she braids it into her hair.
I, Love braid magic.
I participate in braid magic all the time.
It's when you're braiding your hairand you braid in weave in spells or you
chant or you put your intentions intowhat you're doing when you're braiding.

(52:16):
So I love that they showthat in the movie because
Hmm.
I got a whole head here now.
Hey, Courtney, I need my, I need some, um,
You need to start gettinginto some braid magic.
brain magic.
I like that.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Yeah, which is a lot of why like theNordic cultures and you'll see braiding
in like a lot of indigenous peoples.
Um, all over the world, not justNative American, but all over

(52:38):
the world there's braiding hair.
which can be relatedright to that braid magic.
Like you're not just braidingbecause it's cute or whatever.
You're braiding because you're puttingin a spell of protection, a spell of
empowerment, or in this case, she'scursing this girl who's bullying her.
And I think that a lot of the cursingthat starts out when they start going

(52:58):
dark, it's not necessarily dark.
It's just that these poor girlsare powerless and helpless to
these high school, you know,feelings of not belonging, right?
Yeah.
Now you, going back to Teen Witch, likeyou see the difference in the curses.
Like there's not only that, it wasa difference in the love curses.

(53:23):
Yeah.
Like there's two, there's two of thesame curses and you got different
outcomes on both sides of that, right?
On both movies.
So what you're saying right nowis, Am I gathering this correct?
Am I getting this?
That a curse isn't good or bad?
It's, it's that personwho is, who is doing it.

(53:44):
It's the intention behind it.
And that's why that, that's whywitchcraft is not necessarily, it's
not all evil and it's not all good.
It's what Nancy and them said.
It's everything.
It's this and it's that.
I get it now.
I get it.
Oh my god.
Yeah.
And the girl, um, uh, Lirio, who playsthe, uh, who's the girl in the, um, the

(54:06):
shop, um, who helps Sarah when Sarah'slike a little bit in over her head and
she's like, my friends are going crazyand people are dying and this is scary.
And she's like, she's letting herknow, like, uh, you know, true
magic is neither black nor white.
Is a quote that she says to, to the girls.
And this is something toremember when people talk about

(54:28):
dark magic or black magic.
It's like Nancy in this movie isrepresenting our shadow selves.
And we all have a shadowself, just like in astrology.
I'm a Pisces sun sign, forexample, and there's a lot of good
qualities about being a Pisces.
But when it shows up in its shadowparts, it can be like, uh, desperate,

(54:49):
needy, over emotional, um, not grounded.
Um, and these are all parts ofmyself that I can be when I'm not
really in my best, most aligned self.
And I think Every single person walkingthe planet who has a human body is
going to be experiencing both the mostenlightened version of yourself or the
most aligned with your true self and themost, um, you know, in the shadow parts.

(55:13):
They're not bad parts.
They're not parts that areneeding to be shunned or squashed.
They're parts that, uh, youneed to embrace and love.
About yourself in order forit to be integrated into you.
Right.
It's
But Nancy, you know, run offwith her ego a little bit, maybe.

(55:36):
You think that hurt her in the end?
Uh, I think that's where she went wrong.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, so.
see where she goes into her egoself as she's driving the car.
And she's starting to be like, Oh, allthese lights are going to be green.
Watch it.
And then, uh, Sarah says, one of thesetimes the lights are not going to be

(55:56):
green and that's exactly what happens.
Now is that going back to You saidlike, Wicca's got its own doctrines
and this and that and different formsof witchcraft might also, is that
like a, is that a rule somewhere?
Like, basically don't get too big foryour britches, don't get that ego, don't,

(56:19):
don't think you're the best and biggestand baddest out there, cause yeah, it's
gonna hit you, but it's still gonnaget you, is that what it is or what?
yeah, well, I mean, this is where it'sso interesting that, you know, like a,
maybe a naive Christian might think ofWiccan or witchcraft as something so

(56:42):
different or so opposite or, you know,it's the Antichrist, it's the devil,
it's the darkness, it's the evil.
Um, when in reality, almost all ofthe teachings are pretty in line
with, in different words or ways.
what they teach in Taoism or inHinduism or in Buddhist or Christian

(57:04):
or, you know, we're like, treatothers the way you want to be treated.
That's kind of the basic rule.
Don't cast a spell.
You wouldn't want tohave come back to you,
Yeah.
Yeah, I like that too.
And it's, and, and it almost, it goesback to, uh, our, an earlier episode
when we watched, uh, the Wickermanand you had, Lord Summer Isle and

(57:25):
all of his, all of his fake biologyand his fake this and fake religion.
And he looks at, uh, theother guy and he says.
Well, wasn't basically he says wasn'tJesus born of a virgin and of a
ghost in any and he's like, uh Whoa.
Yeah, so it's when youstart laying it out.

(57:48):
Yeah.
It's it's it's it's incredible.
We're all that kind of
Yeah.
And as a Christian myself, I thinkto myself, Even if it was just a
mythology, even if the whole storyof Jesus life and death was a
mythology, not real, not a real person,does it make it any less sacred?
Does it make any of this any less sacred?
Is a tree any less sacred?

(58:10):
I mean, it's just, it's justa different school of thought.
So, I mean, I think that's somethingto, um, to take away from the idea
of, of witchcraft in this movie isthat I think that, the movie probably
was portrayed in Hollywood like,Ooh, we're going to get into witches.
It's going to be scary.
People are going to love it.
And it actually ended up displayingkind of a, well, a lot of the words

(58:33):
that they speak, um, in perfect love andperfect trust to enter the circle, right?
Like, how is that evil?
How are we looking at this aslike, it's pure darkness and evil
where, you know, that's just it.
It's not it.
Nothing is nothing is purelight and nothing is pure evil.
It's.

(58:53):
all the things depending onthe intention you put into it.
So
what you said.
It's everything.
I still love that.
I think that's a key part of the movie.
That's something thatstuck out to me as well.
I mean, what in this movie?
Like, what, what have you taken part ofthat looks just like something because
this, the final scene when they go up andthey show up with their, their animals.

(59:17):
And um, is that the final scene?
Close to it.
Yeah, the climax of the movieis where the snakes come in.
By the way, there were 10,000 snakes used to film this.
000 more than I need to know about.
Like, that's,
Can you believe that?
Can you imagine what itwould be like to film that?
I don't mind snakes, but I still probablywould have had a problem with that.

(59:39):
My, my issue was more the maggotsand the toilet and all the
things, which reminded me of this.
Suspiria.
The maggots are raining from the ceilings.
I'm like, oh, no, thank you.
And the rats, the roaches, whatever itwas, like there was so much going on.
But yeah, I can't deal withsnakes, but I, yeah, I mean, yeah.

(01:00:01):
Yeah.
I don't know if you can call me awitch, uh, in, in the case of, of like
how it would show up in Halloween andstuff, because I'm like, no, thanks.
Yucky.
Did you catch the little Easter egg?
We, we see Chris early on when they'replaying football, he's playing football,
Yeah,
and I don't know if this was intentionalor not, maybe I'm way looking into

(01:00:24):
this, but he wore the number 86.
What's 86 usually mean?
You, you reject it, discard,you cancel, you throw him out.
And what happens to Chris?
That's Skeet Ulrich's character.
Yes,
He was wearing the number 86.
I don't know if that's coincidenceor if they did it on purpose, but
I didn't catch it.
That's interesting.

(01:00:44):
Yeah, he was definitely, um, yeah.
Yeah, we didn't go too
Again, the theme of when witchcraftis used to empower, this is an
example of why it's not pure evil.
I mean, this is an example of, youknow, here was this guy, obviously
in a very intense love spell.
And she was kind of like, shereally just wanted to humiliate him.

(01:01:07):
And this is just how itended up playing out.
But he's Attempting to sexually assaulther, rigor warning, sorry, it's, we're
in the movie, but she is lucky enough toget away, but it's, um, it's this, idea
like, how do I, if I can't physicallyovercome this, if I couldn't have gotten

(01:01:31):
away, he can physically overpower me.
Um, again, the witchcraft being associatedmost with women, being that women are
more of the oppressed and helpless, insituations where they need something like
witchcraft to feel more empowered, tofeel like more in control of their life.
So here's this kind of jerk.

(01:01:53):
He totally treats her horrible.
Um, tells everyone that theyhad done it since high school.
You know, they're like, everyone'ssaying, Chris is telling
everybody that you did it.
And she's like, no, he didn't.
And then he's like, I neverwant to see you again.
And he tries to discard her.
So, I mean, this is hertaking her power back.

(01:02:14):
That moment where she's like, F you.
I was like, that feeling felt so familiar.
Not that I went through that experiencein high school, but just that feeling of
like boys making fun of you, boys beingterrible to you, boys being mean to you.
That was familiar to me.
And so it feels helpless.

(01:02:35):
It feels like I don'thave a comeback for this.
I don't have anywhereto take my power back.
I just feel like I'm victimto whatever they say about me.
It's got to be, that's like anawful feeling, like that's, once
again, going back to wanting tobe a part of something, wanting to
belong, wanting to feel that way.
Yeah, because in the 90s, if you're agirl in high school, you're either a

(01:02:59):
nobody, a weirdo, a slut, like Nancyis accused of being, or a prude, which
is like kind of what Sarah was accusedof being, because she was a little bit
more buttoned up and a little bit moreConservative and, um, and you can't
win, you know, girls, they can't win.

(01:03:20):
That's how it felt to me in high school.
It was
And I believe, I believe rightthere when Chris has his, uh, issues
arise, we, without triggering toomuch, that's after that and she gets
away, that's, that's when the music,that's when Portishead, that's when
that Portishead scorn kicks in.
And to me, that was, I was like,oof, that is, that's fucking heavy.

(01:03:45):
Like it was, that was, that was, Thathad to be a tough scene to get approved
to even be in the movie, honestly.
Um, cause it was hard to watch.
It was just hard to watch.

(01:04:06):
I'll be down in a minute.
Okay.
I'm back.
I paused.
It was good.
Um, that, that part was the,that part was hard to watch.
Like that had to be hard toget across to the censors.
I don't even know how theygot that scene in the movie.
Cause it was a difficult piece to watch,but heavy, heavy fucking thing to see.

(01:04:28):
Um, I want to ask you before we getout of here, I want to ask you, What
you think about the, uh, theory, maybe.
Could be, could be accurate, butthere's a, the theory that Sarah was
the only actual witch and the restof them were actually just leeching

(01:04:48):
power off of Sarah, off of her magic.
Do you think that's the case,or do they all have their own
I think that when.
I just take into, into consideration howI feel or interact with magic in that way.
I think that it did take all fourof them to, um, participate in their

(01:05:12):
intentions together when they were allin line in like, um, cohesive, and that's
when their power was the strongest.
It wasn't until Sarah was able to overcomeher fear and be able to invoke the spirit
herself and to say, I'm gonna need this.

(01:05:32):
As long as I can keep myself in checkand not do what Nancy did with it when
she invokes the spirit and took itupon, took it into herself, she was
able to kind of be that light to Nancy'sdark if there was, you know, that.
Again, I think both have both, but itkind of then was able to, you know,

(01:05:53):
have that final battle scene betweenthe two of them because they had
really powerful powers from Manon.
And so, able to battle it out.
Um, but I think that, I think that itwas all four of them working together
when they were calling corners, whenthey were doing spells together.
Um, you know, Bonnie needed it to, uh,which by the way, I forgot to mention

(01:06:17):
this part when her back is full of scarsand she's wanting to clear that up.
Um, it was Nancy who wasdoing the hands over the back.
That's, that's Pretty much Reiki.
That's energy healing workthat she's doing there.
I mean, they don't callit that in the movie.
Um, Reiki isn't necessarilyassociated with witchcraft.
They are considered to be differentthings, but that's, that's healing

(01:06:41):
energy she's putting into her body.
And she's doing that toheal her scars on the back.
And I think, you know, during thosescenes, when they're all working
together, There is something tobe said for that collective power.
That's incredible.
I didn't even pick up on that.
So, look at you.
That's why we have you.
You're the expert.
Yeah.
Oh, it was interesting to me.
I was like, Oh, wow, look at that.

(01:07:03):
She's over there doing Reiki.
And because she is also a lightbeing herself, light and dark.
I mean, Nancy was never just evilor just, she's, she's doing that
healing work to her friend becauseshe wants her friend to feel better.
There has to be the heart inthat to be able to, Um, project
that out through her hands.

(01:07:24):
So, it worked!
Final thoughts on the craft?
Yeah.
One more.
Uh, Rachel True.
Who plays, uh, Rochelle.
Um, I know we talked about, uh, theta.
Am I always saying her name wrong?
I don't know.
Far Balk.
She's, she became a Paganafter this movie, right?
We talked about that.

(01:07:44):
But Rachel True is also dabbled inwitchcraft in her personal life.
And when I was gifted my first tarotdeck, before I was learning to read tarot
or anything like that, I was gifted.
Rachel True's tarot deck, whichis True Heart Intuitive Tarot,
Wow!
right there.

(01:08:04):
So she did, there's her name, I'mgoing to put it in the camera,
Rachel True!
right there.
So she wrote this tarot deck and did the,um, I believe the artwork for it as well.
So just a little side note there, um,the first readings that I've ever done
with tarot have been with her deck.
I love that.

(01:08:26):
This has been incredible.
Teen Witch in the craft.
Yep, you did not know we had so much totalk about with these two Teenage Witch
I didn't!
I didn't.
I'm glad we did!
. Man, Courtney, what'd you think?
two great movies, so much moresimilar than I would have thought.
Right?
Like, I still can't get over the fact ofhow different they were, but similar they

(01:08:50):
Yeah.
You would never look at the postersof both of them and be like, Oh,
these movies belong together.
Ah, never, never.
But the big news here that we teasedway back before we even started
talking about the two movies wasthe actor that we talked to and
interviewed about this movie.
Go ahead and tell them who it is.
Oh my gosh.

(01:09:11):
I started out saying I didn'treally know who the Teen Witch was.
And then when I watched it again andrealized who it was, Robin Lively.
Robin Lively.
Getting to see her in personis maybe going to be one of
the highlights of my life.
And going to play that.
Well, we're going to, we interviewed her.
We're going to play that interview here injust a minute, but that experience itself,

(01:09:33):
like really how crazy is that Courtney?
Because it was the same week thiswas to air and the, like you said,
the universe put her in our path.
She was so warm inviting to us.
We told her what we were doingwith the Wits Movie project.
She, oh, she loved that.

(01:09:53):
Like.
Oh yeah, and telling her that I wasa real witch and that the message
of the movie being to empower youngwomen to feel their own power, that
we are really actually powerfulcreatures, is really important to me.
And she was so kind, she wasright on board with that.
Isn't she,
to the interview.
Let's go check it out.
thanks.
We're here with Robin Lively.

(01:10:14):
Hi, how are you?
Now, and
I've also got a realwitch, Courtney Pearl.
Yep, real deal.
Yeah, she's gonna freak out a little bit.
Now, me and her havethe Witch Movie Project.
And, where we break down two witch movies.
And we happen to put The Craft vs.
Teen Witch.
I love it.
And which is the better one?

(01:10:34):
My picks, by the way.
I just have to say that.
She gets credit.
They were, but you know what?
We figured out.
We were like, these twomovies have nothing in common.
But we broke them down.
An hour and a half webroke these things down.
And we realized, we're like,whoa, the parallels are crazy.
There was like so much stuff that was I
love it.
But you played Louise.
I did.
Now, you've got a question.

(01:10:56):
Yes.
So, the theme of that movie,and I feel like both movies, is,
like, empowering young women.
Absolutely.
What do you have to say about that?
Oh, I love that the messagestill holds up, you know?
It's about, if you believe inyourself, anything can happen.
Yes.
And I love that.
So, yeah.
You're finding true power.
You know what?
The movie, 1989, right?

(01:11:18):
It
holds up.
Like, we literally watched it.
We watched
it last week.
Do you guys know the rap?
No.
Oh, I
tried it on the
show.
You've gotta learn it.
Do you know it?
Supersonic, idiotic,disconnected, not respected.
Who would ever reallywant to go and top that?
Okay!
Top that!
You guys are awesome.
Now, oh my gosh, I'm blownaway that she just did that.

(01:11:42):
But look,
you did say it.
This movie does hold up.
I've been up here.
I saw kids up here thatcouldn't even sit at a table.
No.
Isn't that the best?
It is.
Now we're also here with Promise to Live.
Promise to Live.
org.
Go to Promise to Live.
org and make the promise today.
You are not alone.
There's someone out there for you.
We love you.
You got this.

(01:12:03):
I think this is fantastic.
I support it 100%.
I didn't even have to ask for the message.
I love that.
Yeah, I love it.
Believe in yourself, man.
Believe in yourself.
No, I gotta ask
for her though before we get out of here.
Yep.
Can she have this amulet?
Because she's, she's beeneyeballing this amulet.
Oh,
these are, I made these.
Did you really?
Yes, yes, I designed them.
I have a sweet little message on the back.

(01:12:24):
She's gotta get one of those.
And I hand did a bunch of this.
She's
gotta have one of those.
Yes, I worked on all of attest.
What's it take?
Just a few dollars.
We got a few dollars.
We got a couple dollars.
He's infused with a lotof power, I can tell.
Oh, I love it.
Hey, thank you so much.
Thank you.
Let's
what?
isn't she fantastic?

(01:12:45):
I love her so much.
I loved her.
Uh, did you get that amulet?
I did.
Got it right here.
Yep.
You gotta see the video to see it.
It's inscribed.
She has on the back.
She said she handmade these things.
Yeah.
I, and that's, I truly believethat whether she knows it or

(01:13:07):
not, that is her creating aspell that goes out to everyone.
So she has Louise's quote onthe back, believe in yourself
and right from the movie.
And I think that her putting theseout into the world for people is,
is just like creating a spell.
It's just like making real magic.
I love it.
I can't believe theoccurrences of events here.

(01:13:32):
The way that this all, this rolled out.
Synchronicities.
one episode.
Yeah, got her autograph.
She writes, she writes to me,just to me, Courtney Pearl.
She says, to my witchy sister,top that, right there, to me.
I love this.

(01:13:52):
Thanks.
She also gave me like three hugs.
I just love her.
I could see the energy between you two.
Like, it was, it was genuine.
And I even noticed that whenthe interview was done, I saw
you two still chatting it up.
Oh yeah.
Oh, that reminds me.
I totally forgot what she saidbecause I was kind of in a fog, but
she said, you have such great energy.
And I was like, Thank you.

(01:14:16):
So did she.
Like, really,
You really did.
Yeah.
was great.
So, you know what?
So, very back early on in this episode,I said this was the Battle of the Robins.
we know which Robin won.
It's got to be Robin Lively.
We talked to her.
Robin Lavely.
Now, if the other Robin wants tocome on, though, and talk to us,
100 percent.
we could Yeah,

(01:14:37):
Welcome.
I welcome anyone fromany one of these movies.
I'll talk to any of them.
We'll see you guys next week.

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