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I think is to figure out your.
Why.
Yeah, for sure.
Why
this is world schooling q and a. I'mAstrid, creator of the wandering daughter.
As a traveling family,
we've spent four years travelingfull-time to over 18 countries and six
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continents. Wherever we go,
we try to learn as much as we can aboutthe countries and cultures we visit.
While we didn't coin the term, welike to call this world schooling,
using the world as ourclassroom. Each week,
my husband Clint and I will answer onequestion about world schooling and share
our experiences of traveling the worldwith our kids ready to get started?
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Great. Let's dive in.
So today's question is how do Ihandle the logistics of traveling
full-time as a family?
So.
This is a big topic and I think we canbreak it up into smaller topics in future
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episodes. So I feel like for this one,
let's keep it high level and talk about
the things to consider, and thenwe'll dive deeper in future episodes.
Yeah, this is a good one too. Ithink this is where we're using,
if you're a Patreon subscriberusing the office hours,
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I think we'll dive into a lotof these topics more. Yeah.
For sure, for sure.
So Ashley,
what's the first thing I think you needto consider when I guess planning for
World's schooling trip?
Well, in my opinion, and I thinkyou would agree with this too,
the very first thing,
even before picking whereyou're going to go, I think,
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is to figure out your why.
Yeah, for sure. Why.
Is it important to know your why? Because
that's going to inform thewhole theme of your trip.
It's going to affect how you guys
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interact with each other or howyou interact with the world,
and also kind of set the toneand expectations for every family
member too.
Yeah, I think for me too,
one thing I don't think Ithought enough about this,
because the thing I realizedwhen I started traveling
is that I knew I wanted to
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leave. I knew I wanted to go travel,
but I don't think I really thought aboutthe reasons why I wanted to go travel.
So then for me, it's like whenwe left and we started traveling,
there was still a little bitof not that lack of fulfillment
until I was trying to recognize thethings that I was trying to accomplish.
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So I think really spending some time withthe why and understanding why are the
reasons that you want totravel, or in my case,
why are the reasons you want to leavewhere you're currently at and really tap
into that.
The other piece about talkingabout the why is including
your kids in that conversation too,
because when this is a family decision,
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this is a big decision for your family,
and so you want to make sure your kidsare on board and your kids also have a
reason why they would want totravel. So once you figured that out,
how do you think we could breakthis out into the logistics?
How could we organize it in away that kind of makes sense?
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Yeah, I don't think we thought about thisnecessarily when we started doing the
planning, but I think in retrospect,
I think the way you couldbreak it out is pre-trip,
during trip and post trip.
Yeah, for sure. For sure.
And we say post-trip also becauseI think most world scores tend
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to go for some amount of time.
There are a few world scores out theretraveling with families that are kind of
indefinite. But I think for the mostpart, a lot of us are, it's a gap year,
or it's three years, five years.
There is going to be some timewhere you come back to quote home.
And traveling full time doesn't evenhave to be multiple years. I mean,
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you could even consider it justa few months as some of these
things,
these logistical things still need tohappen even for a multi-month trip.
So I think Astrid, for this,
let's just kind of high level go throughthese three different categories.
Just talk about or just briefly mentionthe different things. And like I said,
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we can go into this more in depthlater. So what would you say?
Well, one of the things is the budget.
I'm a numbers person and Ialways am. How we going to,
what's the budget going to be like?
But I think also figuring outhow are we going to pay for,
are you going to pay for your trip?
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Yeah.
But budget will be informeduntil you pick your destinations
too, right? You have an ideaof where you want to go.
As well. Yeah. I guess along with the why,
there's one other thing Ithink we always recommend,
and I think that's pick a date.
That's right. Yep.
Yeah, I think that's going to,so you got the why pick a date.
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So even, I guess the first thing ofyour pre-trip planning is pick a date.
That commitment to thatdate is going to set
the type of travel you're going to do,
the duration of travel and all the stuffyou need to do to build up to that.
So for example, if you're justgoing to go for, say a week or two,
there's not really a lot ofpre-planning stuff you need to do,
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but if you're going to gofor a year, a gap year.
Then.
You need to figure out a lot more aboutyour current situation if you're going
to be gone kind of indefinite. Andwhen I say indefinite three years plus,
then there is even more that youneed to consider. And those sections,
I think get bigger.
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Yeah, that's true. So creating a plan,
I think what was somethingthat was helpful for us in
terms of creating a plan.
I think, well, one,
picking the date of when we wanted to gowas super critical for us also picking
the location. But then for us,we like the project manage stuff.
So I think picking a toolthat we could organize our
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thoughts.
We also know families that have just apiece of paper and they write tasks on
it. We chose to do projectmanagement software.
We both come from kind ofcorporate project backgrounds,
so we totally geeked out on thatand wrote all our tasks and.
Project.
Management software and docheck-ins and that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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At the time, so we did
a multi-year gap year from 2018 to 2021,
or sorry, 2022. And as we were planning,
we started planning thatin at the end of 2017.
And at the time we were using Trello,
which is a great tool to use forany kind of project planning.
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But these days we use Notionwhich works kind of the same way,
and you can create what Clint said,
having due dates and settingout the tasks and stuff.
So
you've got your plan andwe've got your budget.
What are some other pre-tripthings to think about?
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Yeah, I think if you are goingto travel with your kids,
your kids are young and you areconcerned or not concerned, but
schooling is going to be part of it.
That.
Might not be the case for everyone.
But if you are planning ondoing some sort of schooling,
you need to figure outsome logistics around that.
That can be as simple as figuringout if you need textbooks,
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how are you going to manage that?
If you have some learningchallenges you need to be aware of
or that you're going to be aware of,how are you going to handle that? So.
Just.
Anything around learning the approachthat you want to try, that kind of stuff.
And then moving on to physical things,
your property or yourhome. So if you're renting,
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that's pretty easy becauseyou can just either break
your lease early or just wait until yourlease is done. But if you own a home,
then there's a few otherthings to consider.
Are you going to sell it anduse that money to travel,
or are you going to put it up forrent or are you going to do Airbnb?
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So think about those type of things too.
Yeah,
I think along those lines is alsodownsizing or at least going through your
stuff. You don't necessarily have todownsize. Highly recommend it though,
because when you travel, dependingon how long you're going to go,
so we're assuming now if you're talkingabout property, what you're going to do,
it's your property. You'relooking at a gap year longer.
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So then also you needto look at your stuff.
Are you going to throw it in storage?
In which case you're goingto have the storage costs?
Are you going to sellit all? That's great.
But if you're planning onreturning in a year or two,
you're going to have tobuy all that stuff again,
or at least buy a chunk of it again.
So those are all thingsyou need to consider.
But I think that going through theexercise of downsizing is really helpful.
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It can be cathartic, it can helpset the emotions for travel.
The other thing too is when wedownsized, we were at some point,
we got rid of a lot of our furniture,
and so we were living outof suitcases essentially.
And that really set the tone oflike, okay, we're really doing this.
Goodness. Yeah, yeah.
What's one thing, what's justa tool we used or something,
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a resource we used when we were outsizing?
Well, we liked this,
or I read this book called TheLife-Changing Magic of Tidying Up by Marie
Kondo. And I like it becauseshe has a process for
going through your things tominimize your items and really
taking every piece of articleor every piece of thing and
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asking yourself, does this spark joy?And we do that with the kids. I mean,
this is really helpful with the kidsbecause you can take a toy that they have
and say like, okay, do you want to keep,do you want to give away or throw away?
And is this going to, and ifthey say keep you ask, well,
is this going to give you thesame amount of joy or enjoyment
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now as, let me back that up again.
So you take a toy thatthey have and you ask them,
is this toy going to bring you the sameamount of joy a year from now or when we
come back from our trip versus now?
And it kind of helps 'em thinkthrough like, well, okay,
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I think I've outgrown this, or No,I think I'm really going to keep it.
And it just helps them to be mindfulof the things that they have.
It is helpful too when you have yourbackpacks or you have your luggage
and you're going through this exercise,
because that's really hard to thinkabout unless they have that limitation of
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what they can actually fit intheir bag and what they can't.
So some flexibility around that.
So let's move on to what we wouldcall during the trip type of things.
Obviously you would want to thinkabout these before your trip too,
but this is something that you're goingto constantly be thinking through as
you're traveling. Each locationis going to be different.
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So what are some considerations,like logistical considerations?
I think packing, making sure youreally think about your packing.
Think about this before you go.
We found it's hard to think about itbefore you go as much you can have your
gear and what you think you'regoing to travel with. But honestly,
every single month we traveled,
we were constantly adjusting whatwe were packing and bringing,
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because you're going to be everywhere.
You're going to be travelingthrough bus stations, airports,
walking half a mile or longer to getto a train station or something with
all your gear. If your kids areyounger, you're carrying their gear. So.
Thinking.
About what you need and not beingafraid to constantly adjust that.
What else?
And what about booking things?What is your recommendation for
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lodging or flights?
Yeah, we try to, it's a balance.The longer you book in advance,
the cheaper things are, butwhen you start traveling,
you're hanging out with otherfamilies and things like that.
Sometimes it's like, oh,
these families are going to thisdestination in a couple months,
and you kind of want to go withthem. So having some flexibility.
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If you know you're going tobe in a world's going hub
and there's other families
there, be flexible. Don'tbook stuff in advance.
But if you know that that'snot necessarily the case,
then go ahead and bookseveral months in advance.
That planning aspect is fun too. It.
Keeps.
You going. What about while you'retraveling? If you're working,
what are some considerations?
Well, internet connectivity for sure isimportant if you're going to be working
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remotely. But even just to stay connectedto friends and family back home.
We always recommend, and we'vetalked about this in a past episode,
but we always recommendhaving a backup plan.
So you can't always relyon the hotel or the Airbnb
wifi. So make sure that you can also,
you have another device thatyou can hotspot off of if
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the primary source ofwifi is not available.
What about staying connectedwith family and friends
back home?
Yeah, I think it's important.Just be intentional about that.
It's.
Really easy for you to be swept upin the experiences you're having
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while your family's back home wonderingwhere the heck in the world are you?
So just be intentionalabout connecting with them.
There's a lot of apps we can dive deeperin that in office hours or something,
but there's lots of ways to stayconnected now. It's not just Skype. Now,
there's a thousand differentways to stay connected.
And something to consider toothat you may not think about are
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the travel days downtime whileyou're waiting at the station?
Or just like how do your kids handle,
or how do you handle those traveldays where maybe you have to do
multiple connections just toget from one point to the other.
If you have to leave early in the morningor you have to leave late at night,
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or there's a longlayover an X, Y, Z place,
maybe you can either useit to rest or use it to
visit that place. So things to consider.
Let's move on in the last few minutes.
Let's move on to the post-trip stuff.
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Yeah, I think is something that a lotof world scores don't think about,
but probably should. So if you knowyou're going to end at some point,
it's worth putting some thoughtbefore the end of your trip about
what that's going to be like.
And I think the number one thing probablyis just where are you going to end up?
The cool thing about world's going isthe world is literally your oysters.
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That how la phrase goes.
The world is your oyster.
The world is your oyster. Delicious.There's going to be lots of,
you're going to gain values aboutwhat about this location that I like?
What is it about this location I like?
And then so you don't have togo back to where you're from.
You can go somewhere else.
Yeah.
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What about, what's another thing?
So the other thing to thinkabout is just giving yourself
some space and time foremotional processing.
It's going to be, even if it'snot a fully life-changing trip,
it is definitely going to besomething that is impactful,
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especially given the things thatyou experienced during the trip.
And so you want to give timeto process that and reflect,
and then think about how you can takethe lessons that you learned through your
travels and apply that in the future.
And just quickly on that too,
because this could be a wholeepisode or office hours for me,
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I went through a rollercoaster ofemotions, but the longer your trip,
the deeper those emotions are going to be.
And your emotions can be anythingfrom relief and comfort for being back
home and all the amenities thatyou get from that work. Grief,
I experienced a lot ofgrief for returning back,
so they can be all over the place.And I guess that just leads me to,
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before you come backand when you come back,
maybe even pre this one might say allthree, just reflect. Reflect a lot.
Reflect on what you'reobserving, what you're taking in.
Reflect how your emotions are, reflectjust as much as you possibly can.
Teach your kids toreflect, keep a journal,
do whatever you need tokeep track of these values,
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even down to the minutia ofright now in this moment,
I feel connected to something.
Write that stuff down.
Because when you come back andyou're processing those emotions,
it's really helpful to goback and know like, oh,
when I am in this situation,I feel really connected.
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Maybe that's a value Ineed to try to seek out.
So anything else for thosethree sections you think?
Well, no, and I thinkwhat CL mentioned earlier,
we'll cover these topics and several ofthese topics in more depth in our office
hours. So that's a perk for our Patreon
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subscribers. And then
I also cover a lot of these topicsand more in my ebook. Hey kids,
let's go travel.
So if you don't want to waitthat long for office hours,
you can certainly buy my ebook andstart diving into the logistics
of planning a full-timetravel trip with your family.
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Cool. Anything else?
That's it. Okay. Well,that's all for today.
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and Clint.
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