Big Blue Kickoff Live 8/7 | Final Preparation for Buffalo

Paul Dottino and Lance Medow discuss what was said at coach and player pressers, talk about who you could see play versus the Buffalo Bills, and take calls from fans.

:00 - Giants presser takeaways

13:20 - Preseason chat

22:50 - Calls

33:00 - OLine and RBs

42:00 - Youtube questions

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Sack Meridian Health Keep getting Better. So we're two days
away from the preseason opener, Paul and I will give
us a takeaway or two in terms of what to
look for in that game. We heard from Abdul Carter
and Jackson Dart as well as Brian Dable earlier today
and then took in some of practice. Let's start off

(01:28):
with the press conferences. Brian Dabeles spoke before practice and
he was pepper with a lot of questions about playing
time and so forth, and routine answers.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
He likes to needle the media, which is fun it Actually,
I'm not comparing it. He's got a little bit of
Tom Coughlin in him with the way he's going back
at the media. No, do you sense that a little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yes, because he likes to kind of stick them in
the side, all right. You know why John likes to
always like give it to me.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Too, a little sarcastic flavor.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Especially with his hypotheticals, and then he brings one loves
to give me horrible hypotheticals just to kind of rankle
me a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Dave likes to do that. Yeah, he got the better
of a few media members and it was all good
and fun, nothing personal. But at the root of what
actually he said that had some meeting was he did
claim and spelled it out loud and clear, that Jackson
Dart will play on Saturday, which is not necessarily a
surprising development. He also indicated that any of the players
that are dealing with injuries, and he doesn't specify at

(02:27):
this stage of the season, he doesn't foresee them being
Paul long term, which is also positive and good news.
And he was asked about really the pros and cons
of playing your starters, how you go about navigating that,
and what was interesting to hear was he said he's
been studying other teams and other coaches in recent history,

(02:48):
and the takeaway was that there really is not one
route that you need to follow for positive developments, because
he says that he's seen teams they play six as
amongst their starters and other teams they play thirty two.
And there really wasn't a dramatic difference in terms of
how the season started. Because one of the things that
he was trying to pinpoint Paul was the Giants have

(03:10):
gotten off to slow starts, and is there any correlation
between how you approach the preseason with your starters versus
how you begin the year right.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
He told us the other day he didn't think there
was a right or wrong answer to this, and he
kind of reiterated that earlier this morning by saying there's
no definitive, no definitive solution to getting off to a
good start other than playing well. It does not appear
according to the stats and analytics, that there is a

(03:40):
correct answer to this. I will say that coach McDermott
of the Buffalo Bills did announce to the Buffalo media
that outside of Josh Allen, last year's MVP, he does
expect to get his starter.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Snaps and they have some young players, specifically on the
defensive side of the ball, so I can understand that approach.
And by the way, the Giants will be featured on
hard knocks as a result of them playing the Buffalo Bills,
since Buffalo is the team that is being put onto
the microscope during the course of the summer. But getting
back to your point, no matter who's gonna be out

(04:15):
on the football field, I think the one thing also
that Dable was emphasizing, is we could sit and watch
practice till we're blue in the face, and we do that.
There is a distinct, first of all, difference in tone
and speed during even a preseason game Paul versus a practice,
and there's only so much you can simulate. And I

(04:36):
think this was something that Daves was emphasizing when he
was speaking with the media today by going through rep
after rep, because you know, defensive linemen have to stop
on a dime, they cannot hit the quarterback. And he
was talking about walking that fine line Paul, and I
thought this was interesting in the evaluation process. You know,
what do you put more emphasis in. Is it the

(04:56):
high volume of practices because there's a lot more practices,
or is it the preseason games? And he was saying,
you go back, you watch the film during practice and
you're playing the guessing game. Would it have been a sack?
Would it have not been a sack? Could he realistically
have extended the play and thrown it into the flat
to the running back, whereas in a game there's no

(05:16):
guessing because you're playing until the play is dead. Period.
There's conclusion there.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Very true, and even Jackson Darrt admitted after Dable had
spoke that with these extra extended plays that they do
at training camp and at practice, you learn positive and
negative things both ways. On one hand, you learn the
positivity of hey, if you extend a play and you're

(05:42):
running a scrabble drill, maybe you can still make something
good happen. At the same time, you also learned that
something really bad could happen as well. So he said,
every time that they run one of those extended plays
and they kind of hold the whistle a little bit,
there's something to be gained from that. And he said
doing it in game action under live bullets is certainly

(06:04):
going to be another piece of his education.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
And Dart and Abdul Carter will be exposed to at
least a game setting early on.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
But we don't know about Abdulkara for sure. We think
abdul kh is going to play, but we don't know. Well,
if Daves would only say no, Dart was.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
For sure correct. Dames did not acknowledge that. But this
is me putting two and two together. We heard from
abduall Carter. He sounded like a man, yes, that was
determined to play. I'll leave it at that. There's not
a confirmation for the coaching staff, but I'd be surprised
based on what he told reporters.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
And by the way, uh, when asked about maybe pulling
back because it's a preseason game, He's like, no, no, no, no,
you go all out. This is football.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, the specific question, I'm glad you've brought that up
was he was asked, do you not want to show
your full arsenal of moves given the fact that nobody
has seen you on film in the NFL, they've seen
you in college, you know, do you want to show
x amount the spin moves whatever? And Carter flat out said,
I'm not thinking that hard, and I'm paraphrasing. He's just

(07:05):
gonna go out and he's gonna play. He's not gonna
say to himself, well, I can't use this maneuver because
I'm worried that it'll better prepare our opponent in week
number four. And I think that's the right philosophy to have.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Sure it is. And by the way, it's also a
good idea for the Bills not to play Josh Allen
under those very circumstances. I mean, what you want I'm doing,
Carter barreling down on you like a double decker boss.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
So you're saying Mitchell Trubisky is the sacrificial lamb, then
under those circumstances, I will not worried about him.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I would hope he has an ice tub ready after
the game.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well, I'm sure both guys and both facets of each
team are saying that on the bills and the Giant
sidelines as we're gearing up for Saturday's preseason game. Dart
was also posed a variety of different questions Paul about
what he's hoping to get out of the game. Is
he looking to make a statement, is he looking for

(07:57):
a specific situation to come up, whether it be a
two minute drill, whether it be a third and long,
And he didn't hone in on a specific scenario though.
I thought one of the most interesting things that came
up in the conversation was he was asked about, well,
Josh Allen went through Dave's system, So have you had

(08:18):
a chance to speak to Josh Allen before you're going
to see him up close in personal, And he said
that he spoke to him a few days after the
draft and they actually did converse, maybe not delving much
into the scheme. He said Josh Allen's best advice was
more about leadership and how to command the huddle and
what you want to showcase to the offense, maybe more
so than the exes and ohs, and Dart was honest.

(08:41):
He was asked about how difficult this system is because
we hear a lot of offensive players who come from
other teams say, wow, you know it's a bit convoluted.
Dart said, well, I can't compare with anything else. This
is my first go around in the NFL, and there's
nothing more that he can say from that perspective. But
I think with any rookie, whether it's Carter or whether
it's Dart, you can't think too big picture. You gotta

(09:04):
really treat this as just a normal football game. You
go out, you play ball, you put the film on
the next few days, and you take the good and
the bad. The more and more I think you overanalyze
it going in and you treat it as if it's
a super Bowl. Probably in all likelihood it's going to
backfire on you.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, we know that Dard's best friend on the team
is Tommy DeVito. They're very tight, very close. They have
a terrific relationship, and he was asked, what has DeVito
told you, you know, about your first ever game, and
he said that DeVito said, just go out there and
have fun.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Just just go out and have fun and play. It's football,
and that he also said here, which was which was interesting.
You know, a lot of people would think that there's
pressure on the quote future franchise quarterback, right because you
know as well as I do, he goes out and
turns the ball over a couple of times, you know,

(09:58):
chicking little the skuy's falling outright, even though he's not
supposed to play for the first year. Anyway, that's gonna
be some of this.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
There's gonna be an overreaction good.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Of course, of course, overreaction Monday, or in this case,
overreaction Sunday, right the day after the game. He said,
flat out he is not worried about making mistakes. Flat out,
I'm going out there to have fun. I'm just gonna
play my game, and if I make any mistakes, fine,
I'll learn from him. That's it. He was very as

(10:26):
a matter of fact about it. So I don't get
the sense and maybe you felt the same. He does
not feel any pressure about playing in his first NFL game, preseason.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Or otherwise, there is a calmness and a looseness I
think to Jackson Dard when he speaks, and also just
the manner in which he approaches practice. You've seen him,
whether it be a good player a bad play, and
there's really not much of an emotional reaction, Paul, from
what I've observed. You know, he's not running down the
field high. Fine, not that that's a bad thing. So

(10:59):
I think that he understands how to turn the page,
and if you approach it that way during practice, then
it should roll over very smoothly during game. So I'm
with you. I'm on the same page. That was my
read on Dart. He's not putting the whole world on
his shoulders and acting as if he needs to just
ball out on Saturday to appease individuals who are high

(11:23):
on him or quiet the skeptics, whatever it may be.
And the truth is, whether Dart wows you or not,
it's not going to one quarter of action in the
preseason is not going to change the approach of his
coaching staff. It's not going to change the trajectory of
the team's game plan even going into the draft. So

(11:44):
no matter what is said. No matter how loud people
are going to scream it from the mountaintop. At the
end of the day, it's not going to steer or
change anything, whether it be in the short term of
the long term.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
See that's part of the beauty of taking a quarter
near the bottom of the first round. When you take
a guy at twenty five, you've got that emotional and
psychological cushion from the narratives outside the building that say, well,
if you pick a guy in the top five, you
better start in week one. There is no pressure on

(12:18):
the Giants to start Jackson dark. I mean, at least
I don't sense it. Russell Wilson was brought in here
to be the starting quarterback in twenty twenty five unless
something changes. Everybody knows that. It's one of the reasons
why you didn't just bring in Jameis Winston as a
grizzled veteran who can be a mentor. But you brought

(12:40):
in a Russell Wilson who's been to two Super Bowls,
who's been to ten Pro Bowls, who has unquestioned credentials,
unquestioned nobody can doubt his credentials. He's the guy, He's
number one.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I think that is a tremendous benefit for Jackson Dart.
It allows him to be his Lucy Goosey's self, if
you will, because nobody in this building, nobody is putting
any undue pressure on him. It's like, kid, take your
time when you're ready.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
You're ready, And that's why you brought in Russell Wilson
to remove that part of the dialogue and the conversation. Also,
Dave's has been on the record multiple times saying Russell
Wilson is his daughter's See if he maybe came out
and said, well, we'll see how the summer goes. It's
a bit of a competition. Maybe that slight door is opened.

(13:34):
The door has been closed, it's been shut, it's been
nailed into the wall.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
One hundred times. I mean, think about this. If they
didn't sign Russell Wilson, let's say they just went into
training camp with Jameis Winston, Jackson Dart, and Tommy DeVito.
I think it changes things, changes everything. The narrative outside
the building would be uh oh, definitely a competition for

(14:01):
all three spots. The starting job is open. You know,
you don't give anything to Jamis Winston, he's going to
have to fight to hold off the first round draft pick,
and that if Jackson Dart gets in the game against
Buffalo and has a couple of scoring drives, people are
gonna be screaming to make him the starter before the
second preseason game.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I also think it changes the conversation internally. I'm not
just looking externally. I think guys in the building maybe
would also look at things differently. Teammates. No, I think
Russell Wilson should never know, not taking anything.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Never know.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I'm not taking anything away from Jamis Winston, but there
is a distinct difference in terms of individual accolades and
achievements between both of those quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Russell Wilson is a future Hall of Fame quarterback. Yeah,
and I've said it about Elia thousand times. It's not
true yet, but I'm gonna say the same thing about
Russell Wilson. Who knows when he'll get in. But the
guy's credentials are as good as anybody's from the past
fifteen to twenty years.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Well, that's why his presence changes things. It does just
him being in the building.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
It was a.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Brilliant move by the Giants to bring him in That's
why I've thought all along. Once the whole Stafford thing
came out and then that fell through, there was never
a doubt in my mind that Russell Wilson was the
next guy in line. The whole Aaron Rodgers thing was
a bunch of hype coming from outside the building.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
And we've seen other teams do something similar where they
bring in a veteran so that they don't rush the
timeline for other quarterbacks. Whether it's Saron Rodgers, Philip Rivers,
Patrick Mahomes, there's several differing examples. There's no rush to
put a guy on the field.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
One other item from the pressers that I did want
to get to before you went to the questions and
our callers, Brian Dables said, and I asked him this
point blank about because you have a bunch of young
guys on this team, a bunch of rookies, a bunch
of untested fellas who were going to be in their
first NFL game on sack. I mean, some of them
are gonna play how much, we don't know, But what

(16:05):
have you said to them to alleviate their nerves, to
calm their butterflies? And he said, you know what, two
days ago. I had a bunch of veterans get up
in front of the team and talk to them and
tell them about what to expect, tell them how to act,
tell them how to deal with it. Russell Wilson was
one of those guys, and Daves felt that that was

(16:27):
important so that these guys can psychologically prepare and not
get too lost than the hepejibbis.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
You know, I was blown away by Russell Wilson's presser
the other day. Oh, he was reminiscing about his first
preseason game. I don't know if you went back. I
brought up the highlights from that game. Yeah, it's on YouTube,
because I wanted to see how close he was to recollecting.
He was, I mean pretty much spot on. He said

(16:58):
that he threw the gold ball to Braylan Edwards. It
was down the left sideline. It was perfectly thrown. He
was a little bit old.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Why wouldn't it be perfectly thrown?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
That's what he does, sure, but I mean, come on,
that is your first professional contest. And then the play
that he described where it was a handoff fake right
and then he rolled to the left and then his
teammate was up ahead in the field. Blocking. Yes, that
was pretty much accurate too. I wouldn't say that Charlie
Martin pancaked the individual that he was locking, and he

(17:31):
gave himself also seventeen additional rushing yards on the touchdown.
He said it was forty nine. It was thirty two.
But still the description though in all serious you know
what they said, the breakdown of the play.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
It's always a line drive he hit in the scorebook.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Right, Yes, I do you want to spin it that way,
But anyway, I thought it was pretty neat and you
could tell just even all these years removed the excitement
that he still remembers revolving around. He's jacked off.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, and he made it very clear to us folks.
We had this conversation the other day. He wants to play.
He thinks it's not only beneficial for him to play
in the preseason, but he thinks he can help his
teammates by being there on the field and in the
huddle during the preseason. I would just say that because
of Russell Wilson's stature and the respect that this organization

(18:22):
and this coaching staff has for him, they probably will
give those desires and wishes a bit more consideration. Than
if he was somewhat else of lesser stature.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
And that's why every team and every player and every
individual is not following the same script for that very reason.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Ja Andy Red just announced he's going to play Patrick
Mahomes for the whole first quarter of their preseason game
coming up this weekend.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
And Paul sometimes needs change from season to season. For
all we know Andy Reid and I know they made
it to the Super Bowl, they lost. There may be
something that he feels the starter need to work on,
and he wants to give Mahomes some additional work this
preseason compared to what happened in previous years. There's nothing
wrong with tweaking it. Dable says he goes through that
process pretty much religiously, year in, year out. All Right,

(19:13):
I want to get to some YouTube questions as well
as phone calls, so we're going to hit it on
both ends in terms of our technology. Let's start with
Paul some YouTube comments and questions, because they really are
twofold virtually speaking podcast rights. I definitely think they should
rest Scataboo, even if he says he's ready. I'd rather
see him healthy in the regular season. And actually Dave's

(19:34):
confirmed that they're not going to play him.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well, anybody who's been gifty and held out of practice,
he's like, well, obviously not gonna.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Play, so you don't have to worry about that.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Thomas Scataboo and Slayton were on the side today running
lightly with the trainers. I will mention that James Hudson,
the third tackle who did leave practice early yesterday, was
back in there taking some reps today, so that was
good news him.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Donald lays out goals for the Giants first preseason game.
He's got three. Number one, play the starters for just
about the first half. Number two, stay basic and play physical.
Number three limited to no injuries. Well, number three is
a no brainer. I don't think anybody going in to lose. Yeah,
I mean that's a good players, I know, going out

(20:22):
on a limb there. As far as playing the starters
for just about the first half, I don't see the
main group of eleven, granted not everybody's healthy going two
full quarters. Paul, that to me is I don't either. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
I mean, back in the semi old days, you would
see maybe two series or possibly a first quarter of
reps for the starters. Yeah, but you know, it's been
a long time, and again I gotta go way back
till you remember the days when you know Phil Simms

(20:59):
would play some times into the third and fourth The
game has changed certainly and have been a lot more
injuries too.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
So one or two series perhaps, I think is more realistic.
And as far as staying basic and playing physical. The
other thing that we shouldn't lose sight on related to
that comment is they don't game plan this early in
the preseason, no for an opponent. No, So you don't
even really have to worry about staying basic. They're gonna
run whatever the group is comfortable at this stage in

(21:32):
training camp, running, especially if it's rookies. I mean, they
can't afford to get that fancy because they're not studying
Buffalo for the last few days leading up to the game. So, Paul,
there's only so much of going in and scheming accordingly
based on the personnel matchups.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Right, and let's not forget I mean, especially in the
second half, I think it's pretty safe to say you'll
see a lot of guys deep on the depth chart
getting almost all, if not all, of the second half reps. Well,
how deep can you expect those guys to be comfortable
and no the playbook. I mean, honestly, no, you can't

(22:08):
go that deep. It's not practical to expect. Let's say
that your fifth string safety, you know, knows all the defenses.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Plus what also happens because of injuries in training camp
practices in the preseason, it could become a little bit
of a mishmash where guys who are on the second
team moved to the first team, and therefore they may
have not had as many reps with that quarterback who
normally doesn't run that defensive unit. That's the other thing
to take it to consideration, which is why you want

(22:41):
to keep things as basic as possible, because the timing
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(23:24):
York Football Giants. We open up the lines Donnie Is
and queens as he gets us going here on BBKL.
What's happened to Donnie?

Speaker 5 (23:32):
Hey, guys, it's been a while. I haven't been able
to call in too much recently actually taking my phone call.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, we hope everything's well, gad Bolt.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
We hope everything is well.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yeah, no problem. Good at two o'clock times, this isn't
as conducive.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Well, we'll talk to coach Stable for you. Try to
get back to the earlier time next next.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Okay, you're a busy man. We understand that.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
I wish you would be less coy about what he's
doing with his lineup this weekend because I'm excited for
the game. You know, I'm personally in the camp. If
they're healthy, they have to play yeah, this team has
gotten up to such dance starts, and you know, can
I prove that there's a correlation. I can't. But kind

(24:18):
of like you guys said earlier the show at Lance
mentioned it, like you just can't simulate football tackling. I
go to camp a couple times every year and I
enjoy it. I bring my nephew. It's a good way
for him to get closer to the game and pick
out players and things like that. But it's just not football.
It's as close as you can get, I guess, but

(24:39):
it's not football. And I truly believe they should give
their guys some time. And you know, I'll hang up
at this. My bt is, you know Jackson should start
if he or at least you should play with the guys.
He's taken the most stabsmen. So if that means the
second team is playing in the second quarter, that's when
I was playing with the guys that he's been out

(24:59):
there playing with is accustomed to blow into protecting his
blindside and things like that.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
So just curs what.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
You think about that. And one thing I did notice
from camp, again, you take these things with the grain
of salt, but they got to be sky on the
wave of a wire defensive tackle there, and I know
Dexter hasn't really been participating much, but not very confident
in what they've got around there. They need something a
little more stable, and even in the trademarket, if something

(25:28):
comes up, they should definite to look into it. So
I really appreciate all the covers. Just some of you
guys do a great job. I'll continue to listen and
I'll try to pop in before the season.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Thanks all right, Donnie, appreciate the foo goal. Thanks for
giving us a ring. I want to start with the
dark comment first, and then if you want to jump
in with respect to defensive tackle, I think it's a
fair point that you want Dart in, which is related
to what I was talking about earlier with some of
the guys that he's been working with during practice. But
I would say with Dart it's a little bit different.
Considering he's a rookie. I think you like to test

(25:59):
him in the circumstances and maybe put him in with
individuals that he hasn't run as many plays, because there's
going to be a point in his career where he's
going to be thrown into the fire. Whether it's in
the midst of the game, not that you ever wish anything,
and there's going to be something that perhaps he did
not simulate during practice and he's ill prepared for, and
I think you want to maybe test the waters. So

(26:21):
I don't have an issue if he gets thrown in
with maybe a unit that he doesn't have a wealth
of time thus far with.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
I don't think this is the time to do that.
I would actually take the opposite approach on this, because
if you throw him out there with third and fourth
string offensive lineman and it's total chaos, there's not much
for him to learn except on how to run for
his life. I don't think that's very productive. I think

(26:52):
you want to give him, as the caller said, the
opportunity to at least try to function under somewhat normal candition,
to see what he can do, what he can learn,
and you know, yeah, he's taken a lot of second
team reps during the course of the offseason, so I
think that's probably the most logical unit to put him with.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
And I think that will happen, but I could see
them maybe keeping him in a little bit longer, where
you start seeing some of the third stringers and the
fourth stringers. And I think a lot of that also
depends Paul on if the Bills are playing their third
and fourth stringers. I wouldn't be as concerned if you
have your third and fourth stringers and meeting. You don't
want Jackson Dart behind the third offensive linemen going up

(27:36):
against the Bills starters or their second line guys who
are probably going to make the fifty three men roster.
That's not a great development.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Am I going out on a limb by suggesting the
Bills backups might be better than the Giants. That's a
pretty good organization who's won a lot of games.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Sure, But I think once you start getting to the
third and the fourth.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Stringers, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
I wouldn't think that the disparity is a huge is
perhaps one and two? I think there's a significant difference.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
All right.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
I think we'll agree to disagree on this one. But
as far as the second point, you know, I forgot
what it was.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Well, the second point was with respect to if they
need to look at other options at defensive times.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Oh oh oh, yes, Lance brought this up earlier, And
I think this is why you should not worry as
much as you are out there because there's very little
tackling going on. In fact, there's none, even these fully
padded practices. The guys are told it's a thud practice.

(28:40):
You come up to the guy, you make initial contact,
and that's it. You can't tackle through him. So for
those folks who have been reporting to you out there, oh,
looks like the Giants rush defense isn't doing very well
because you know, Tracy and Singletary and Motor and Turbo

(29:01):
Miller are getting some gashing runs. Well, no kidding the
defensive guys, No, they can't go full force. They can't
run through a guy, and they can't plaster him to
the ground.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, they let him finish the play.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Ryan Burns told us last week, He's like, I can't
wait to get into a game because you guys have
no idea what it's like to go out there, run
a play and be told you can't tackle. That's against
every bone an ounce of blood in the body of
a defensive player in the National Football League, because not

(29:39):
only do they have to physically pull up, but they
also mentally and emotionally have to be aware, Hey, I
gotta pull up because if I plaster that running back
or that tight end or that wide receiver. Coach is
gonna reing me out something bad. So you gotta do
what's unnatural to you as a player and pull up.

(29:59):
So you know, you have to understand the full context
of what's going on here before you say, well, it
looks like they're running the ball well and the defense
really isn't stopping the run a whole lot.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
No kidding.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I mean it's like having a car without wheels. Oh,
it's really not racing down the highway very well. Uh, really,
you get it. It's what can I say? I will
tell you this, Roy Robertson Harris is a guy they
have tremendous confidence in to help the interior of that

(30:35):
defensive line. Darius Alexander right now is ahead in the
pass rush stuff. Remember he missed a lot of the
off season program. Yep, a little bit behind in the
run stopping. But again this is because they're not really
able to work on that stuff, and so when he
got caught from behind because of some dings earlier in

(30:57):
the off season, it cost him a lot of time.
So I would not be as concerned as you've been
led to believe. It may take them a little time
maybe right out of the gate, they're not gonna be,
you know, what they're supposed to be. Like we always
say with everybody, it takes about four regular season games
these days for a team to really show what it

(31:17):
is that they've got. I would call you jets a
little bit on some of the stuff that you've been told.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
And also, I know he's probably not gonna play defensive tackle,
but if we're just focusing on the guys up front,
they're gonna mix and match Chauncey Golston too. Sure, don't
dismiss his value. He's a good player, tremendous player with
a lot of experience, and I think, I mean, I
thought he was one of the most valuable additions this offseason.
I don't see why I should shy away from that,
even well before the season starts, because you need glue guys.

(31:46):
That to me is what I call him. He's a
glue guy. You know exactly what you're gonna get out
of him. It's not as if he's gonna blow you
away with you know, a ten sax season, but he's
gonna do enough things to help the guys around him,
and you know, you could plug him in about anywhere
and he'll be comfortable. And you need a lot of
those guys because I think the concern was if somebody

(32:07):
goes down via injury, how good do you feel? Especially
based on last season when Decks went down that there
was a noticeable drop off. Now you're not gonna get
another deck. Okay, let's not be naive, but you can
get at least a cluster of talent that you can
mix and match to help alleviate the gap a little bit.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
They've finally started to enhance the talent of the defensive
line after the losses of Leonard Williams in the trade
and then Ashawn Robinson who went free agent. In my mind,
they had not done a great job in replacing those
guys in terms of their presence against the run.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
And those two guys, the common element is seasoned veterans
who is h in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Big and strong too.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, that who can eat up a lot of space.
Let's head back to the phone lines. We've got a
duel in Minneapolis here with us on big blue kickoff line.
What's happening on a duel by guys?

Speaker 4 (32:58):
How you doing? I'm sorry if I'm getting a dead horse,
yere but talking about playing starts in the three seasons,
I think one of the biggest shortcomings of Brian Dable
is that his teams sometimes do not seem to come
out prepared or they start very slowly. You know. Last

(33:19):
season's opener against Minnesota was just embarrassing. They looked like
they were you know, like one team was a professional
team and the other team was not. And I think
it's kind of a larger picture with the NFL in general,
because I think Paul just said that a lot it
takes like four games at least to to start playing
really really good football, and so I think it's imperative

(33:39):
this year, especially with a new quarterback, because they don't
have a.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Lot of.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Stressful situations doing practice and stuff. Is to get these
starters as much game time as possible. So when they
play Washington and Dallas the first two weeks, we don't
start in an O two, you know, And I think
if we are serious about the season and we want
to actually compete and not, you know, get Jackson dart

(34:08):
ready yet, Russell Russell Rissel ready a comparative that they
played their players as the starters. I think every single
pieces in game, you know, a series of two and
the rampe up a little, but then you know the
last game not to But I think it's imperative more
so than any other season because of the Russell Wilson
being new that they that they play.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
I think it really depends on the team, you know.
I don't think there's a rule of thumb that applies everywhere.
And the reason why I'm saying that is, I remember
two years ago, Abdul the Giants were playing the Carolina
Panthers as Paul maneuvers his technology. If you heard that,
and if you remember Daniel Jones and company, they were
in there for the first series and they just marched

(34:48):
down the field and everybody's reaction was, Wow, this offense
could be Legit could do a lot of damage. And
then we know what happened during the rest of the season.
Now I understand there was maybe a little bit more continent,
which differs from your point. And I have no problem
throwing out the starters, especially if Russ feels he wants
a little bit more game action beforehand. I just I

(35:09):
wouldn't read so much into even if they play, regardless
of the results, that it's automatically going to carry over
to a stronger start. I guess that's what I'm doing that.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
I guess the correlation is assumed or you know, you know,
you know, but it seems logically that the more team
plays together, the the you know, the more I think they.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Are correct more and more comfortable with one another.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Yeah, you know. So, so that's like two SAIDs. I
think when it's discussed enough, we will see, you know,
comes said, because I can't wait. By the way, I might.
I'm actually camping in the north shore of Minnesota and
I signed a bar in Grammar Way to watch the game,
so I kind of nice. So uh the second point,
I really think the Giants, if possible, you should look

(35:52):
at signing wil Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
I just think that, you know, if they want to
be a great like a great team like the Eagles
would make that signing. You know, they wouldn't go into
a season with but they trying to get the best
players on the field. And Will Hernandez the past few
years was arguably one of the best guards in the league.
You know, I know he got hurt so and also

(36:16):
you know, if how much of them, if they can't
afford it, But I think they should move Mountains to
get that guy back on the on the Giants because
the interior line is the weakest part of the offenses.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
You know.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Right now we have a Greg grun roten and we're
hoping Evan Neil is good, you know. And I don't
like hoping. I like, you know, more and more definite. Uh,
you know, more more of a definite thing. So I
really I look, I see that he's been cleared to play,
and uh and again, you know, it takes two to tango.
He wants to keep, you know, he has to, you know,
want to come here and be affordable. But I think

(36:49):
the Giants can get Will Hernandez.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Uh yeah, real quick.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Third thing here with correct It's August seventh, you know,
And I'm gonna wait until this week this game, but
I think the number of reasons of the Giants are
not successful, they'll be the run game. I still don't
think they did enough in the off season to pass
the hole they had last season. I'm just not comfortable.
But I'm gonna wait until I see it before I

(37:16):
really start panicking.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
So appreciate the phone call. Yeah, I want to react
to a few things. Number one, remember there's John Runyon
on the team too. He was only focusing more on
the right side what's going on, So you still have
run you in at guard. Hernandez was just cleared because
of the significance of the injury. It took him a
very long rehab process. And there actually reports the other

(37:38):
day that he's already meeting with his former team, the Cardinals,
and that they may just simply reunite because that team
knows him better than anybody, considering that's where he played well.
So I understand the last caller was speculating, but it's
possible in a day or two he may not be
available anymore because he may just return to Arizona. And
I think from the Giants perspective, Paul and I would

(38:01):
respond to this if anybody else calls up and throws
out any other offensive lineman on the market. I think
at this stage of where you are in training camp,
you want to do everything in your power to continue
to evaluate the guys in house before you're gonna turn
to an external option. You go through the three preseason games,
the waiver wire, you're not content, Okay, then I can
understand you bring in like a Van Roden, who was

(38:24):
a late arrival outside of that, I think they're gonna
do their due diligence of what they have currently here
on the roster.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Not only do I agree with you, Lance, I also
look at Runyan, Neil and Van Roten as three guys
fighting for two starting spots. If you're going to add
somebody at this particular moment in time, you have to
be one hundred percent sure that the guy you're bringing in,
and of course you have to make an agreement with
him anyway, he's got to want to come, and the

(38:52):
money's got to be writing all that stuff. But aside
from that, philosophically, you have to be sure that that
guy you're importing is a appreciably better than the options
that you have in house. Well, I don't think that's
the case. I think Will Hernandez is a functional starting
guard in this league. I don't think he's appreciably better

(39:15):
than Runying or appleachably better than Van Roten. I mean, honestly,
I mean, if the difference is, you know, five and
a half centimeters, are you really doing yourself a service
by bringing in a guy at this point in time, No,
you're not, And.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
He's got to learn a completely new offense by the
way too.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
No question. And then of course we talk about Evan Neil,
and I'm sorry for all the people who've been down
on Evan Neil over the years. I get that. But
right now, training at Guard, they seem to believe there
is quite a lot of upside there. And certainly he's
got more upside as we sit here today, at least

(39:57):
in the Giant's eyes, than Will Hernandez, who is clearly
a known commodity. There's no more upside to Will Hernandez.
You've already seen the best he's got to.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Offer, sure, but you also need to see whether or
not he could get back to that level. And we
don't even know that either, that he's coming off of.
That's a more reason why I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I think there are a lot of reasons why the
Will Hernandez suggestion just does not make any sense.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
And as far as the run game, which is connected
to that, yeah, that's going to be a huge facet
to determine where this team goes. Now, you look at
the arrival of Scataboo and hopefully he returns to full health,
that he'll add a new dimension in terms of toughness,
in terms of catching the ball out of the backfield,
because remember the role the running backs play as receivers.

(40:39):
Out of the backfield, there's an extension of the run game.
So when people throughout the run game, it's not just
conventionally what you're gaining on the ground, it's what your
backs can do as a staple of the receiving core.
That's how you have to look at it this season two,
and I think that's the area that may improve more
so than made the pure yardage on the ground pole.

(41:02):
I look at that as helping up what your overall
rushing potential is.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
Well.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Look, overall, I think we believe that just having Russell
Wilson running the show back there is going to lift
practically every facet of this offense.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
And you know how they have to respect the quarterback
and look at him as yep, yes.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Look with all due respect and we know, you know,
I'm a big Daniel Jones guy. But with all due respect,
the way things crumbled with him last season after the
first five after the first five weeks when it started
to go downhill, defenses were not respecting the Giants offense
when they stepped on the field. There wasn't enough evidence
to make them feel that way, and so defenses were

(41:49):
clearly starting to cheat. And you know, we all know
that that's that's just an absolute recipe for poison in
the NFLS can start chitating against you. What are you
gonna do?

Speaker 1 (42:04):
I want to go back to YouTube a few question
slash comments in terms of preseason n y two, PA,
I want to see the bubble players. We need solid backups.
Then related to that, Jay fed, I'm okay playing Wilson
and the starters who are healthy for a series or two,
then the backups, bubble players. And I can assure you
you're gonna see a lot of the backups and the
bubble players because they need to evaluate to see who

(42:26):
could separate themselves from the pack. So without any hesitation
in question, you will be able to fulfill those wishes.
And then some logan van ZANDT brings up a question
about Cam Scataboo. Does Cam having a full, very heavy
load in college have any effect on the decisions with
maintaining his injury this preseason. The simplistic answer I would

(42:50):
say is no, I would not read into and remember
he was two seasons at Arizona State. Prior to that,
he was at community college, right so he had one
hundred and sixty four carries in twenty It was up
to two ninety three in twenty twenty four for a
college player. I mean that's significant. It is but Russell Wilson.
I understand he plays a different position, Paul, but Russell
Wilson has been in the NFL for over a decade

(43:13):
and he's running around right We're watching him extend plays,
and I wouldn't say that workload makes him more susceptible
to an injury. So I understand the point, and it's
fair to bring it up, but I don't think that's
the reason why he sidelined at this stage.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
If you're at all concerned about scoatabooze durability, it would
probably be more long term with the style that he
runs with. If he is going to be a really
counted on short yardage back and perhaps a goal line back,
well over the course of time, those guys do tend

(43:49):
to wear down and may have shorter careers or shorter
primes because of those combinations of factors. That to me,
is about the old only thing that I would say
about his.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Doorability Like a guy, I don't know. He just popped
into my head so I'm bringing up Mike Alstott, who
I understand was a bit of a full back too. Yes,
but you saw towards the tail end of his career
the last few years all Scott wasn't the same type
of player he was because of the physicality that he can.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
I give you two other names, even more dramatic, Yeah,
Christian o'coye, Okay, Pete Johnson, two guys who played bowling
ball physicality with the football, and they flamed out a
little quicker than I think a lot of people had hoped.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
I'm looking up all Stott because I have him up
and he certainly applies. Yeah, I'm sticking with at least
that comparison. From nineteen ninety six to two thousand and two,
he played pretty much fifteen or sixteen games every year.
Two thousand was the outlier when he had thirteen appearances,
and then two thousand and three went down to four
games four fourteen and even the volume of arts that

(45:00):
they could rely on the even forget the games because
game sometimes is misleading. The carries the workload. He went
from one hundred and forty six to twenty seven to
sixty seven to thirty four to sixty those were the
last four years. That is a noticeable well.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
That's why it's important to note that Scataboo does have
an X factor in his back pocket, and that is
he does see the whole well and he's not always
anxious to run into contact. This is a guy who
will find the scene, find the crease, and is not
afraid to run to daylight. Unlike some of the guys

(45:40):
we were just talking about who were like a collision course.
Every single time they were in the game. It would
snap after snap, pound pound pound pound. Scataboo does pound,
but he also does find ways to get to daylight
and will run through creases. He will not always run

(46:01):
his shoulder pads into a telephone pole.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Plus, the other thing is he's got Tyrone Tracy as
a teammate, and it's not as if Skataboo is coming
in and he's gonna be the guy that's gonna get
two hundred and fifty carries. They're going to playoff on
one another, assuming they're both healthy, and we'll see probably
a third back too, So that's going to alleviate the workload.
It's not going to continue the volume that he had

(46:27):
in college and roll over here, not.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
That they're the same players. But in two thousand, when
the Giants had Thunder and Lightning, Tiki Barber and Ron Dane, Okay,
those guys. It wasn't quite a fifty to fifty split,
but it was pretty close. And the idea was that
the team wanted to have an effective running game. They

(46:49):
got some pretty good efficiency out of both guys. I mean,
even Dane ran for well over seven hundred yards that year.
I know his career went downhill after that, but that
rookie season, Ron Dane is an impactful player.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Well, it's twofold, Paul to piggyback off of your point
number one. It's to keep the guys fresh over the
course of the season and a game. But there's also
something to be said. And if you speak to defensive players,
let's utilize the Giants personnel. The Giants, they throw Cam
Skataboo your way. Okay, there's that physicality. You really got
to embrace him. You got to bring him down even

(47:22):
when he catches the ball to the backfield. Okay. Then
three plays later, after you've just emphasized the physicalness of Skataboo,
now the elusiveness of Tyrone Tracy comes in, that's a
bit of a headache and a quick changing the gear
for a defensive player. So that's also why having a
one to two punch is great, especially if stylistically speaking,

(47:45):
they're not similar.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
To one another.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Well, that's also one of the reasons why I tend
to be in favor of trying to keep Dante Miller.
His speed out of the backfield is a totally different level.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah, I mean, so I know you did when.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
You were I mean, I'm sorry. As much as we
love what Tracy and Scataboo have done, and you know,
obviously Singletary is a high quality pro who's done a
lot of things in this league and for a lot
of good teams, Dante Miller has an extra gear that
nobody in that running back room has. He does provide

(48:22):
another facet of weaponry to the Giants running game. I
would love to see him stick, but I don't know.
Are they going to keep four backs?

Speaker 1 (48:31):
We just don't know. It's the numbers game. But I
think he'll have a legitimate sean if he doesn't make
it to be on the practice, I.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Think he's squad. So for the second year in a row.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Let's head back to the lines. We got Jacob in
New York here on BBKL. What's happened to Jacoby? Dude?

Speaker 6 (48:48):
Right?

Speaker 1 (48:48):
What's on your mind?

Speaker 6 (48:50):
What I'm in mind is that I love how we
as Giants fan, dire Giants fan, you love to be optimistic.
I think the best, better season, and best team if
it's really going down to it. You look at the
schedule this year, the Giants are lucky to win five games.
They're lucky maybe six games. You know, it's a very
tough schedule and a very.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Hard They're on the road a lot and in.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
The hard games, it's not an easy schedule for them.
And my thought process is on that it's the Giants
end up. Let's say, in the top ten again, do
we go and draft a quarterback the following year? Is
that the whole dark started on that we pictured in
our mind?

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Is that over with?

Speaker 6 (49:27):
Or are we going to somewhere new because like we're
going to have an earlier pick there, it could be
good quarterbacks coming out of the next draft. Quess that
we could take and now would we do it? The
h the whole Jackson Dart even if we're playing a
couple of games as average or maybe even better than
average year. So now you have a much better quarterbacks
than the top ten next year, what are you do
in that position? And that's like the I know we

(49:48):
look top mystic, but in the most realistic way, that
could be the outcome going into next season. Where now
would we do with Jackson Dart? Do we keep him
or do we That's that's what got me thinking, Hey,
here's what I'm going to tell you.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
And it's way too early to let you go on
that noe. Jacob, thanks, way too early to think about
next year's draft, Jo to tack.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
But if you wanted to line up some puzzle pieces
and some dominoes, as he has no doubt tried to do,
it's quite clear. The most logical place for the Giants
to go if they're drafting high next year, unless something
unexpected happens involving Jackson Dart, is you get yourself a
super stud offensive lineman. I think that's pretty obvious to

(50:29):
me right now that today, if I had to take
a guess, it'll be a super stud offensive lineman given
the scenario that you painted. Because look, no matter how
well they play this year, Okay, we're talking about Runyon

(50:50):
functional If JMS is functional, that's fine. But if you're
picking high and you can get a blue chip, Pro
Bowl caliber offensive line men, it'd be pretty hard to
pass up.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Well, I will say this, if we're gonna go down
the hypothetical road that no, But my response would be,
let's get to week one, I mean the finished season. No, No,
but let me I just want to respond in terms
of the hypothetical. Remember, a lot depends on who the
decision makers are. Paul okay, And once again, I'm not
speculating or in sind you anything. But if there are

(51:26):
no changes the individuals that brought in Jackson Dart, Okay,
they're gonna still support the piece that they brought in.
That's not going to change. So I find it hard
to believe that even if he plays four or five
games that the script would be flipped to now all
of a sudden, heading a different differ quarterback by giving him.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Stability and offensive lineman. Sure.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
No, well, that that's what I'm saying. No, But hypothetically speaking,
if there are changes, you know, when a new front
office comes in or whatever it may be the other way. No,
what I'm saying is they're not aligned necessarily with previous
draft picks, so you have to at least keep the
door opened that if there is a high pick and
they want to go after the quarterback, it's not crazy.

(52:08):
So you understand in order to answer that hypothetical, there's
other movable parts that are going to eloise where you
go with that, meaning it's a spider web. Thanks exactly. Okay,
we got it in, got it?

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Can I have my royalty on that.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I will think about maybe I'll get you a date
to be later named. Okay, but I had to get
that in because I thought it would fit in it
if you go to layers of the onion. Yes, well
look at this, we're just rolling the puns off the
tongue here as we near the finish line. Speaking of
nearing the finish line, Wilson is in Roxbury here on bb.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Wilson.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Yeah, my two buddies, My two buddies.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
Hey, how you guys?

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Doing buddies is used very loosely on this program, but
go ahead.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yes, I try to be your friend. I don't know
why you don't like me.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
I think you're eating too much into what I'm saying here.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
What do you got Wilson?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
What do you got I don't.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
I know, we don't have any time. So I'm gonna
go right up, Pully, yes you before I get to
my main point, because he drove me minutes, I'm gonna
tell you why we need Will hernander say, you know why,
because it's Brian Dave's bring here. The Giants are the
softest team in the NFL. They get punched in the
mouth and they don't do nothing. People the other teams
laugh about it on the other side, on the sideline,
and we don't do anything. So that alone, that alone

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is enough reason to have Will Hernandez here. Because Will
Hennands I know, you know, we know him as a rookie.
There's one thing he's not. He's not gonna put up
with any people anybody like.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
He is a scrapper.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I agree with that point, Wilson.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
He is a scrapper.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
I could I could understand that being a benefit to
any team, an offensive lineman who will.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Fight, especially the Giants, Polly, especially the Giants. But anyway, Pully,
let me ask you something because you're driving me crazy.
Last week, I told you you John, you guys didn't
sound like you're just blaming Daniel Jones for everything, and
that Russell Wilson is going to fix everything. You told me, No, Wilson,

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that's not true. We don't blame and you know, and
Russell Wilson is not gonna fix everything. If Giants fans
think that they're gonna Russell Wilson gonna fix everything, we
are for a rude awakening. Just now, Pauly, you tell
me that he's gonna elevate everybody he has.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Well, hold on Wilson, Wilson, hold on anybody. He's done
fixing everything. Wait a minute, No, no, you're making an accusation.
And let me make sure that we've got the definitions correct.
Fixing everything is not the same as elevating everything. Russell
Wilson at this stage of his career, Okay, he is
not the same guy who played with Beast Mode with

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Seattle and went to two Super Bowls. Okay, he's not
that guy.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
He is.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
He is a lesser version of that guy, which means
he's not a top six or seven quarterback anymore in
this league.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
He's not.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
He's not going to lift a team on his shoulders,
bring them out of the quicksand on his own and
just will his way to victories. He's not that guy anymore.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
He's a guy who needs he needs.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
He needs other people, right A rising tide raises all boats.
He needs other people. He needs to be an effective
play action quarterback, which means the running game is going
to have to produce early so that they can command
the respect of a defense and give him a chance
to operate out of play action. If they don't do that,

(55:41):
Russell Wilson is going to be taking a beating and
he's going to be looking uphill every week. I'm gonna
make that very clear to you right now. Okay, So
he does not automatically fix this place just by coming here.
I've just explained it to you. I hope you got
It'll take it.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
So, so you know what, Lance help me out over here. Okay,
when you bring in a supposedly Hall of Fame quarterback,
right because the quarterback that you had before you, head
coach blamed them for the foore being called in the cafeteria,
I don't care what everybody else, Brian Davis blamed Daniel
Jones for everything. That's a lot of fans like us believe.

(56:23):
But forget about that. When you bring a Hall of
Fame quarterback, right, supposedly, and it's can I hell everybody? Then,
shouldn't weach Giants fan? Shouldting Giants fan?

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Here?

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Hey, listen, man, we are gonna be a good offense.
We're going to be a good team. We're gonna strive
for the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
What what I have to hear?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
If I have to hear all the excuses I heard
with Daniel Jones? Why white brand this guy?

Speaker 4 (56:47):
What's the point? Well?

Speaker 1 (56:48):
I mean, first of all, listen, well, I'm not going
to help you out because I'm gonna try to explain things.
I disagree first of all with your generic statement that
everybody is simply accepting the fat that Russell Wilson's gonna
fix everything. I don't even think when he was first
brought in that was the generic mindset. I think there's
a belief though that his experience. He's got a lot

(57:09):
more experience than Daniel Jones. I think we can all agree.
He's playing in several offenses. He's been around a lot
of different offensive lines personnel, so you know that's different.
But he's not automatically coming in. You put the key
in the ignition and then everything else disappears and it's
all rainbows and lollipops. I disagree with that sentiment.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Chantaigne did n't thirty million dollars to leave. If they're
listening things, take a thirty million leaves. I don't need
you here.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (57:36):
But yeah, well, and then he went to Pittsburgh. Hold on,
he went to Pittsburgh, and look at what the Steelers
did last season. You're not gonna games? Well, Pittsburgh of
course didn't go on to win a Super Bowl, but
they were a playoff team? Were they not? Were they
not a playoff team? Okay? So Russ did enough to
help Pittsburgh, which also was a radic at the quarterback

(57:58):
position before Russell Wilson's rival. Okay, so you know that,
I think is actually a positive development if you're trying
to go in the opposite direction. But I want to
give you another example. When Aaron Rodgers went to the Jets. Okay,
I understand, year one, he got hurt immediately. Year two?
Did he fix everything for the Jets? Now, Aaron right,
Hall of Famer, He's going to be a Pro bowler

(58:19):
a season vet did he transform the Jets single handedly?

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Fire they head.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Coach in the middle of the season.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
But hold on, But you're bringing it. No, but you're
bringing in other factories. What do you mean I can't
give you that. I'm asking you for a yes or
no answer. This is not convoluted, Wilson. The point was,
did Aaron Rodgers, regardless of what else happened, did he
single handedly fix everything regarding the Jets that second season?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
He could have accept that they coach. They coaches alone
lost four games for the Jets last year.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
You know what, Wilson, you know what. I find this deicle.
I'm going to leave you with this and listen. I
appreciate the phone call. Okay, all the kicks in gig
aside here. You claim that everybody else is making excuses,
okay for the quarterback, for Daniel Jones, Russell Wilson. Yet
I ask you a question, you come up with every
other reason and rational thought that has nothing to do

(59:15):
with the question. I think it's time to take a
step back, look at the mirror, and prevent the art
of hypocrisy from coming to the limelight. It's fair to
say Paul Aaron Rodgers, who is in the same boat
as Russell Wilson, if not more impressive, needed help with
the Jets. Okay, he couldn't all of a sudden stir

(59:36):
the pot alone and everything else was going to correct itself.
So Russ is in the same boat here where there's
an uplifting feeling in terms of experience resume, But that
doesn't mean even if he plays decent football that everything
else around him is going to fall into place. That
to me would be a naive perspective. Whether you're a

(59:58):
diehard Giants fan or a football lover.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I've always said that the definition of an elite quarterback
to me, and they are usually only four or five
at one time in the league. Those guys can literally
will your team to win three or four games during
the season just because of their spectacular performances. They can
rise above whatever's going on and basically pull games out

(01:00:21):
of their butt. And we know who those guys are
right now. There's very few of them with Mahomes, Josh Allen.
We know who those guys are, right very very few.
Russell Wilson is not one of those guys. Russell Wilson
needs the running game to be respected so we can
use his play action. He needs an offensive line that's

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going to give him a clean front of the pocket
because he's a shorter quarterback, and if he's got to
roll out, his receivers have to be able to run
the scramble drew with him to make sure that they
give him a clean passing lane. Russell Wilson can not
raise the Titanic on his own. He's going to need

(01:01:05):
some tug boats to help him pull the ropes. We've
made that very clear. Wilson's biggest problem in life is
that he doesn't understand context. He doesn't understand perspective and
the full meaning of how things are tied together to
create a thought and a philosophy and a theory. He

(01:01:26):
just hears four or five words and he immediately clings
to that, and that's that's what he's going to attack.
It's you know, it just takes a little more thought,
that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
And there's going to be an adjustment period because Russ
does like to extend plays, even some of the offensive
line with Greg Van Rodin was asked Paul earlier this week,
what's it like blocking for us? And he said, well, Russ,
you know, is going to extend plays. So that means
that when the quarterback normally gets rid of the ball
immediately you can move on with Russ. You can't necessarily
move on, so there's a give and take with respect

(01:01:59):
to that is well, Spider, there you go. It's amazing.
They bring in the Giants a guy with the name Wilson. Okay,
and Wilson can't even get behind him under those circumstances. Whatever,
it's amazing. All right. That'll wrap up Thursday's edition of
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(01:02:20):
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Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
Have a go one