Breaking down a tough loss to the Jets - Cleveland Browns Daily - 11.10.25 - Cleveland Browns Daily

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
Let's you are live on a reaction Monday edition of
the program. Merely Bow the Great Z we got our
first snow today, Buddy. How about that fall foliage meets
ice great? So looks fantastic, beautiful, fantastic. Well, miss Kay
had to drive back.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Oh yeah, I saw I saw her today the Great
she's a great documentarian and I saw that she was
canceled and I was worried about her.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Oh yeah, she had to drive back. She ran a car.
She drove back.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Was she just like was she just like? I can
see the riding on the wall. I gotta get Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, I told her, I said, you're not going to
You're not gonna get home otherwise, Yeah, get in a car. Go.
So that's what she did. She made it back. Yeah,
God bless her. I felt for her on that. That's stinks, man,
It was tough. Honestly, it was better than she was
at Newark. Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
So that's that's a tough drive too. That's Pennsylvania Turnpike
through the mouth. Very yeah, well no, and it's the
Pennsylvania folks. They'll they'll go pedal to the medal no
matter what the driving conditions are, they will.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's that's the way that that goes. Saturday night. Though
it looked like it, it really was.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
We did the show on Friday and we said, we're
winning this game, and we should have won this game.
We they traded away their best corner, They traded way
they were the two best defensive players. They attempted eleven
passes in this game. Justin Field's completed six, including one
to us which was a seventh.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
They threw for forty two net yards, and they had
a forty two yard screen pass late in this game.
In fact, they could not complete what I would call
the forward pass in this game. As Rich Samini is detailed,
this is a game that has never been lost before.
Go ahead for the people, and given the details on it,
it was if your team has given up allows fewer

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than one hundred and seventy five yards and doesn't turn
the football over on offense. Right, you allow few than
one hundred and seventy five yards on defense, don't turn
the football over on offense. Those teams were two hundred
and twenty five and oh since nineteen fifty. I'm gonna
get it exactly for you, but I believe you have it.
It feels right. I'd like it to be. It'd make
me happy.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, I mean, it was basically in modern football what
happened yesterday had never happened.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
It was since nineteen fifty. Yep that it had happened.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
And I mean who's even keeping track of things like
this in nineteen fifty? So yeah, here it is. How
unlikely was it? Since nineteen fifty? Teams have been tutored
in twenty five and oh when holding opponents to one
hundred and seventy five yards out there, you nailed it.
And not turning the ball over got it. You nailed it.
First team to lose in that span ever, so you

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had two return touchdowns you had even with all of it,
you have opportunity in the fourth quarter to steal it
and you can't.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
And so yeah, I don't know, it's Tyler. We lost
the game in which justin fields, completed a grand total
of two two passes all day beyond the line of scrimmage,
and those two completions went for wait for it, seven yards.

(03:43):
He attempted, he attempted, attempted five passes. It's all day
beyond the line of scrimmage five and he threw one
interception to Ronnie Hickman and completed two for seven yards.
And we lost. And we lost. We lost that game.
That's a game that we lost to the New York Jets.

(04:05):
We lost it in large part, once again due to
special teams. Not in large part. I mean we had fourteen.
There are other things that could have. Sure, you could
have had other but just subtract fourteen though, like all
you had to do. All you want out of special
teams is neutral. That's all we've been saying forever. Just
try to be neutral. And if don't even want that
to be a plus, it'd be great if it was. Yeah,
but just neutral. It will take nice. We'll take neutral. Yes,

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you give up, you score, you go ninety five yards, score,
give a kick return touchdown, then you go three and out.
You punt it, punt return touchdown. At that point, they
had three yards of offense. They had fourteen points, maybe
two yards offense. I think it was three plays two

(04:50):
yards offense. Yeah, I think I mentioned I heard you
guys mentioned that on the broadcast. Not a single first down.
They have a first down for a while in this game. Yeah, yeah,
and we lost this. This is one that was as
inexplicable and as difficult to digest for everybody, for those
they're doing it, for those watching it, for those at

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home consuming it, whether it be on TV or the radio.
This was this was this is up there. I mean,
this is in the pantheon of insane Brown's losses because
those stats we gave about justin fields, there's no way
that you lose this game. You know, you look around

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the league and I was just kind of looking this
because it feels like, man, this happened to us a lot.
There have been seven punts blocked league wide. There have
been nine punt return touchdowns allowed league wide, higher than
I would have thought. Yeah, three kick return touchdowns allowed
league wide. So nineteen of those what I would call
catastrophic special teams plays. Nineteen. They're thirty two teams in

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the league. We have four of them. We've had a
punt blocked against Baltimore. We've had a punt return touchdown
in this game as well as a punt return touchdown
by Detroit, and we had a kick return touchdown in
this game as well. So four of the nineteen of
those plays in the league have come from the Cleveland Browns,
which we're not good enough on offense to overcome those things.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Oh no, no.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, because we're unfortunately we're not a great offense either.
You know, I thought that there were some things to
like in terms of, you know, got Jerry Judy going first.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Time, I'll good to see. Yeah, we've had him going,
and he got going a little bit.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, that was good. You capitalized on their turnover. You
turn that right into seven points. That sudden you take
the shot down the field and Dylan kind of underthrows it,
but in a good way for Judy to go get it.
That was good. Still really no room to run for
Quinn Shawn Judkins, which is I'm sure frustrating for him.
It's still not very good on third downs. There are
a lot of things that were very similar to play

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call on fourth and one, which was that felt just
like it's just a bizarre sequence for us. Malachi Corley
nice weapon when we hand him the football. Yeah, and
probably should have had a touchdown on the one where
we had that kind of like throwback over to him
where mailed it. If he just completes, which isn't a
hard throw, there's no pressure, there's nobody between them, you know,

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you probably that could be a touchdown or at least
a chunk that was gonna be. That was gonna be
a big one. Uh yeah, it just this was. This
is tough. It's demoralizing, and you know, forward the Browns go.
I'm a little surprised as we sit here that it's
going to be exactly this. We're going forward and no
changes whatsoever. But yeah, this was. This was a tough one.

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And what's hard about it is, you know, from a
defensive perspective and we get down to the end of
the game, the lack of discipline, unfortunately, holding penalty on
a pat No way justin field is ever going to
throw that ball. No big double coverage and gift the
jump off sides on fourth and five when it's impossible.
Everybody in the world knows they're not going to run
a play like they are not going to snap the ball. No,
they haven't let him throw the football. No, in a

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quarter like they told you. They're not doing it. They're
not going for it. They're the previous play they told you.
They told you on third and eleven, third and goal
from the eleven when they ran a designed quarterback run. Right,
he was not going to be throwing the football in
any type of meaningful situation. So you knew that. It
just lack of discipline. We had ten penalties. Well, that's

(08:18):
we've been so we're not going to That's why we're
doing seven. Yeah, we're doing seven.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
We consistently have more penalties than the opposition. We consistently
lose the special teams battle to the opposition. Like it's
when you go back to conversations we were having in
July when we had Pickett and Flacco and the two rookies,
and we talked about I mean, I remember using the
phrase a tough needle to thread to get victories that way,
But that needle to thread was going to be we

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were going to play elite defense. We needed to be
even on special teams, and we needed to grind out
wins by controlling the ball with quinch on Judkins and
play action off in it and not turning it.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Over, yep. And we didn't turn it over, by the way,
we didn't. No, but that has not But the rest
of it, here's the thing. I'm going to give you
their zessions in the first three quarters, and you tell, like,
here's the thing at the end. Could you say, yeah,
the defense that gave up you know, ten points in
the fourth quarter and couldn't get off the field, and
we did at the end of the game and all
of that, and yes, that is true. But the end

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of the day, being realistic, your defense gave up what
thirteen points, thirteen points, thirteen points. Yeah, they went three
and out two yards, three and out six yards, one
play interception. Then they go eleven plays sixty four yards
and get a field goal. So that was in the

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second quarter. Three plays and negative twelve yards, punt, three
plays negative three yards, punt, three plays, seven yards punt.
So through the first three quarters they have one drive
that nets them, that nets them eight yards, one drive
that nets some eight yards and it produces three points.

(09:56):
The game should be over by then. It should be
a blowout. It should be a an absolute blowout and
beating of their first one, two, three, four, five, six,
seven possessions six worth three and out or less because
one was a one play interception yep, and the other
netted them a field goal. That is a that that

(10:17):
game needs to be over in the third corp. That
needed to be like one of those afternoon window games
whereas one team is in the forties and the other
team is not in that area code. So it's just
there's a lot of there's a lot of bad to
go round, unfortunately, and you know, the Browns are just
not a good football team. This is this is this

(10:41):
is as bad a loss, not from an improbability standpoint,
even though we just heard it's a you know one
six right in the the one that we lost to
the Jets that second where we're up the flat going, Yeah,
that is more inexplicable in this moment. This was just
a whole slew of bad things that ended up in

(11:02):
a culmination of I mean, the way we lost was
I don't it was so I don't even know what
the right word. I don't want to there are a
lot of words coming home why I don't want to say,
but just to jump off sides on that fourth and
five just kind of was symbolic of a great many ills.
You probably weren't going to win anyway. No, but you
had a chance.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
But you had a chance and the holding call it's
third in forever and you hold on. And Devin played
so great he stayed home.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah. Yeah, he did a lot of anything, made a
lot of and it's did it have anything to do
with the play? No, they were not. They were not
throwing the ball. He could have been running. Nobody within
twenty yards. I don't think they would have thrown it.
I think the instruction of Justiny Fields was you're running
no matter what, Bud, don't put this ball in the air.
And we held it and so you got to throw

(11:54):
the flag. And so then that it's like, oh my god,
I guess I said, you're going a rollout if they
fall down, right, I think you're right. Yeah, And there's
not a defender within twenty yards of somebody, you can
throw them the ball. Otherwise you're gonna run to the
right and you're gonna slide, Yeah, in bounds no matter what. Yeah,
which Presal did actually very he did wisely on one

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play and then not as wisely on another play. Yeah.
I mean he ended up with eighty three yards.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
We had seventy plays to their forty seven, We had
two hundred and seventy eight yards to their one sixty nine.
He ended up with eighty three. How much was on
the last drop, I mean.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
All of it. They had the one where they ran
at seven plays in a row, right, and then the
screenplay right and by the way, Carson Swesinger's helmet got
ripped off on that play, which is I'm not sure
that was He played his ass off. He's a stud.
He played his rear end off. He's a stud. He is.
He's going to be the defensive rookie of the year, justifiably.
So yeah, yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
I mean, it's a defensive efforts that goes, you know,
without the rewards of it. And I think the thing offensively,
what's hard is you don't we're not seeing enough signs
of life getting Judy going helped. I mean, that's first
time that's been that case. I think he had twelve
targets yesterday, which that feels like the most he's had

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since Flacco was here.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I mean, I don't have it in front of me,
but my guess is it's the most.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
The most catches and receptions this year.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, So that was you know, he's your best weapon
on the outside.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
In the jamis I would say one of the jamous games. Yeah,
I couldn't. I didn't know Denver.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I didn't know if early this year, like if he
had one with Flacco that got to twelve.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
But that's something that there's some little you know that
you make the coordinator change. Now Tommy's calling plays and
it felt like there. Getting Judy involved seems like a positive.
He's your best weapon on the outside.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
He actually had thirteen targets, believe it or not, in
the game against Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Oh, hello, Gibbe, Thanks buddy, what's that Gibbettle?

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Little game long?

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Thanks buddy, I think we had ye. All right, double
it up. Let's go. Four sacks Will McDonald. They had
three on the season. They had eleven as a team
on the season, eleven in eight games. Yep, they had
what six five? I mean he had.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Five on his own, he had he had four, had one. Yeah,
we had six for forty seven, six of them for
loss of forty.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
He had had eleven eleven eleven eleven. It's not it's
it's not great. We averaged three point two yards an attempt passing,
they averaged three yards attempt. They just threw it a
third as many times as we did. Not great man, No,

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and it's it's tough to know, like where where to
go from here? Right? Thank god, thank god, thank god.
That's right there. It's excellence. That is that is excellence.
But I think that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I mean, you got Baltimore coming in here Sunday, and
I know we'll spend the week talking about it, but
the reality is, like I think for players, for fans,
for everybody, front office, coaches, you just needed something to
hold on to, yes, to lead you to believe that
you're headed in the right direction, and to not get
the result in a game like this, which is I mean,

(15:29):
this was a team that waved the white flag on
this season. Make no mistake, the New York just waved
the biggest white flag that they could wave. I mean,
they weren't, they would not. They weren't even attempting the
forward pass in this game. They traded away their two
best defensive players. They're on to twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
They have five draft picks. They've even said Aaron Glenn
even said this week, like this is gonna be a team.
You're gonna be proud of. I didn't say you're gonna
be proud of it now. Yeah, but it's gonna be
a team you're gonna be proud of. Well, yeah, they won,
And let me tell you something, they won in front
of nobody. There were five people at that game. The

(16:08):
entire lower bowl and club at the fifty yard lines
have different seats amongst the gray seats of that building,
which should have so much character and panashion does not.
It's not quite sterile, Yeah, emp like rose empty. Yeah,
those are the most valuable seats in their building. Like,
those are the most expensive non suites in their building.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
Empty.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, like maybe ten percent occupied?

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Do you think I was gonna you and Andrew mentioned
that on the broadcast yesterday, just how many? I think
at one point you said entire sections were empty.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
He's been to bar mitzvahs with more people that he has,
I think.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Don't you think that's Jet fans sending a message about
trading Sauce Garner and like it's kind of like we've
had enough, Like.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yes, and I'll stow go. I mean the weather wasn't
and Joyce.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
You're at a point now where you know you're going
to go to a game, you have choices to make
on how you're going to spend your time.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
And I think Jets fans sent a pretty big message
there about look not for us, not gonna.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
Ninety minutes before kick. I give it, hi, ninety minutes
before kick, I'm looking out, oh you know, I mean
the inactives are coming, Like at this point there there
should be people. We are six stories up from the field, yep.
I can hear is the girl on the field doing
news five?

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Could you could hear him doing the hit?

Speaker 5 (17:35):
I looked at him like is that. I'm like, give
me the binoculars. I'm like, can I uh huh, yep,
sure enough, word for word, six stories up, I can,
here's the girl. And I'm just saying, like that's how
few people there were.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean it wasn't a great day weatherwise.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
And doesn't sound like Sunday is going to be a
whole lot better.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Do do you have bad Sunday?

Speaker 5 (18:01):
It's not looking great.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
I was talking in Columbus this morning. I think it's
supposed to be like sixty one down there for Saturday
night for UCLA, Ohio State.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
But I have Saturday is pretty good around here. I
believe there is rain in the early forecast for Sunday.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Okay, yeah, yeah, it's tough. I the defense is really
our defense is really good. But it goes back to
so many conversations we had last off season about what
this league is, and this is a scoring league, and
your offense has to score points and it's got to

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scorm in bunches if you're going to be effective. If
you look at what happened in the late afternoon window yesterday,
you think of Seattle is up thirty five to nothing
at half cruising. You think about Detroit scoring forty four,
You think about the Rams scoring forty Like, this is
a league now, So if you can't score, you don't

(19:00):
have a chance. Hello, And there's no other way. You
can't manufacture wins. Your margin for air is gone that way,
it's just gone. You've got You said this years ago,
and you're the first person I ever had said saying
now people say it all the time. You said this
maybe four or five years ago. This was right towards
the end of Baker's run, and you said, you have
to throw the ball when they know you're going to

(19:20):
throw it. And I never heard anybody say that before,
But that truly is the NFL in this era yep
of NFL football, where quarterbacks and corners, quarterbacks and receivers
are protected the way that they are with the rules.
You have got to be able to throw the ball
when the defense knows you're throwing it, and the good
ones do it. And if you don't have the ability

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to do that, your ceiling is concrete.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
No doubt, no doubt, there's a cap. Yeah, Anya, there's
no question. It's a scoring league. It is. It's all
about scoring. It's all about scoring, it's all about weapons.
Its what's all about now that you can say, well,
in Nathan, what about the Cincinni Bengals, they're work anomaly
right now?

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Oh my god, Well, you saw the stats crazy as
our staff in nineteen fifty. They had the one last
week where like teams that has scored over thirty eight
and lost in back to back games, you gotta go
back to nineteen sixty.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
For the Giants. Yeah, and they're one in four in
those games I think over the last three years, and
the rest of the league is eighty seven and six, yes,
which means it's like that's a pretty good I'll take
my shots.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
It's the blackjack analogy that you get it. If you're
sitting on eleven, you double down. Sometimes you don't win,
but it doesn't mean your process isn't right correct, And
that's that's what it is. If you score a ton
of points, if you score, you can win.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
You can win. That's right. It's kind of that simple.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
And we really struggle to score. We struggle to protect,
we struggle to run it. We it's and it certainly
here's the thing or that you know too. You know
that offense is a problem so that everything else has
to be perfect, and defense has been pretty close to it.
I mean the last two, the two the Devin and

(20:56):
then the play with the off sides are brutal. Side
of that, the defense has given you chances. Special teams
was a disaster. Yesterday's tough.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
It is such a difficult. It's difficult. It is a
very difficult thing, you know. And the Browns there are
no were past the trade deadline. And that's another reason
to me why it needs to be back like not
this week, maybe next week, even I agree, I think,
And then teams gill like you're out, you're out. Just

(21:28):
let it go, you know, and if you're in, you know,
go ahead and be aggressive.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
But don't you think like after everybody's played eleven or
twelve games.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
That's what I said, Yeah, I said against the eighteen games.
The trade deadline should be after a week twelve, absolutely,
and everybody's you're two thirds away through. You know, if
you're in the hunt, if you're you know, if you're
a team that's on the in the Hunt graphic, you
can be like, okay, if you're a team that's in
the in the Hunt graphic because they needed one more
to make an even row, and you're like, well, maybe
I'm not really in the hunt. Okay, you're not on

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the in the Hunt graphics cell. Yeah, yeah, you have to.
And the thing is about the Jets. We'll go back
to that real quickly. The Jets said, we're willing to
part with our two best defensive players four picks. We
are not willing to trade our offense players. By the
way they won this game, Garre Wilson had same number.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Of catches as you and I zero none, yeah, hit
three targets.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
None and Tyson Campbell was in his shorts on that
one vertical where ended up getting hurt. But they won
trade Breesall either guess what Bristol From an offensive standpoint,
it was all one down in the game. Yeah, and
the fourth quarter was all Breesall. Now, it was not
enough to help Gibbet out in his lack of belief
about the Cleveland Browns and the over Unders. But that's okay.
I had that one read Price Hall all the way

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had one hundred and twenty five yards of total offense.
Not enough, sorry, one hundred and twenty by himself. What's
one hundred and twenty five plus zero? That's right? And
I seem to think that seventy plus he had. Dude,
they had I know you know this, but just for
the audience, the Jets had one hundred and sixty nine yards.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Who have got right?

Speaker 3 (23:08):
One hundred andixty nine yards of total offense and he
had one hundred and twenty five.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yes, you do have that right. And the other thing
that you would have right had you said it would
be that prior to that screen pass to Breisee Hall,
they had zero net yards of passing going into the
fourth quarter. That's impossible. And they won. They won the game.
The game should have been over before we ever even
got to the fourth quarter. Yeah over. Now you can say, look,

(23:34):
nothing's over in the NFL. We've seen what Denver did
to the Giants. Fair, We've seen what the Texans did
yesterday to the Jags. Thank you very much. Fair. But
this team was not going to be able to throw
the football. That was pretty apparent in this game. No,
so I would have felt pretty good about it.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
I don't even know that they I think they were
completely disinterested, like they were like, yeah, we can't, so
we're good. This is how we're gonna go about our business.
And somehow they won twenty seven to twenty. Those are
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Speaker 4 (25:03):
You know, obviously frustrated disappointment on that result yesterday, and
we're spending time right now watching it with the with
the players and trying to learn from that. And you know,
hard to win on the road, and certainly hard when
when you do some of the things we did in
that ball game. But we're committed to this thing and
we'll just find ways to get better in all areas

(25:23):
and we'll go from there, big division game at our
place this week. If that'll take any questions.

Speaker 6 (25:28):
Yeah, Kevin, just wondering about the fact that news just
came down that that Brian Dable got let go, uh,
just wondering. I mean, I know you know Brian, and
I know how you felt like when it happened to
Brian Callahan. My question is then, I mean, how do
you feel about it? And also, these guys are coaching

(25:49):
rookie quarterbacks.

Speaker 7 (25:50):
I mean it's a can be a tough gig, right, Yeah, obviously,
I'll you know, I've I have a personal relationship with
a lot of guys Mary Kay in this league, so
you just you don't like to see that for them,
So i'll, you know, keep that those type of things
between us.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
But yeah, it's uh, you know, you always feel for
anybody out there who's going through that type of thing.

Speaker 8 (26:13):
Thank you, Thank Kevin. It it feels like a lost
like yesterday's could be tougher to get over than some
So how do you get everybody to bounce back, especially
sitting at two and seven.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yeah, they're all hard to swallow. Scott, It's uh, you know,
it's it's this business, so you never get used to
it and it stings. Having said that, you have to
turn around and get right back at it.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
So that's what we'll do. We got to quickly learn
from it. And then, like I said, do you guys
move forward to a division game at our place and.

Speaker 8 (26:46):
When you go back and look at those two kick
returns for touchdowns, what stands out? And then what changes
can you make to special teams because it's happened before.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, obviously, uh, you know, not good enough. We're we
can be way better than that. You know, some of
these big ones you have to get the guy on
the ground and and limit uh you know what could
be a bad return for you, but get them on
the ground for a gain of twenty or whatever. It
is so frustrating for that for those balls to go
the other way on us. And we'll look at them

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and learn from them and understand how we can be
better in a technique sense, and then we'll look at
how we can move our guys around to make sure
we've got guys in the right spots and like we
always do. But yeah, that's a tough to win on
the road, tough to win a football game giving up
those two returns.

Speaker 8 (27:31):
Thanks, Keivin.

Speaker 9 (27:32):
I'm gonna ask you about those returns too. How how
do you stay confident in Bubba and thrown when it
has been a problem all year?

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah, listen, I have a ton of faith and Bubba,
I have a ton of faith in our special teams.
We we have to be better. That's that's the case. Uh,
there are ways that we can try to be better.
But it's it's it's definitely We'll continue to coach our
guys hard, We'll continue to give them the techniques to use.
But I trust our guys. I trust that we'll get

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back to work.

Speaker 9 (28:06):
You have to make changes on those coverage units.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
I think you'll throughout the game, Jeff, and throughout the season.
You're always making changes with guys and depending on who's
available to you in a given game. So we'll always
look at those things.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
Yeah, Kevin, Just.

Speaker 10 (28:23):
What progress have you seen from Dylan start one to
start five?

Speaker 2 (28:29):
What areas have you seen drastic improvement?

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Well, I think with young quarterbacks, Daryl, it's it's a
understanding that there's gonna be ups and downs. You know,
Can Dylan play better, yes he can. Can we play
better around him, yes we can. Can we coach him better,
yes we can. So I understand the question, but but
I just trust that our young players at every position,
and certainly at the quarterback position, are guys that are

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going to work their tails off to get better every
single day.

Speaker 10 (28:57):
And Jimmy Haslam said during training camp that you you
knew that seeing both young quarterbacks at some point this
season was important. So just where is shador at as
far as his development and do you have a timetable
of when you would take a look at him?

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Yeah, I don't think it's fair to speculate, Darryl are
We're committed to getting better as an offense. Dylan is
certainly committing to improving every which way you can, and
all the while, all of our players, young players are
are developing and working so hard behind the scenes to
make sure that they're getting better on a daily basis.

Speaker 11 (29:38):
Thank you, Thank you, Kevin. If you could take us
behind the curtain a little. On that fourth down with
ten minutes to go, you're in a plus territory fourth
and one now under your presence setup, you decide to
go forth, But who calls that play?

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Well, Well, let me first say this, Tony. I'm responsible
for every decision, every play call, offense, defense, special team,
so I'll own all of it, and I trust our players,
I trust our coaches. We obviously did not get the
result we wanted there, and the desire obviously on third
down and on fourth town is to get that first.

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We came up short. But bottom line is it's my responsibility.

Speaker 11 (30:24):
But I mean, since you just made the play calling,
change is fair to say that Tommy called the play
and you just agreed with the play.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
I'm not gonna go behind the curtain all the way, Tony,
just to tell you, I trust Tommy just like I
trust Jim. I always have the ability to step in
when necessary. But I'm gonna always, you know, give my
coaches who I trust. I'm gonna give them the opportunity.
Are there times that you change a call? Yeah, there are,

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But bottom line is we did not come through there.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
All right?

Speaker 12 (30:58):
Thank you, Hey, Kevin. I wanted to about Carson. I mean,
I know it sounded like his prognosis with the ankle
was always really good, Like playing was on the table
for him fairly early. It seemed like you guys knew.
But to fight through that, to work through that in
the bye week, and then to perform the way he did,
Like what does that say about him and the rookie
season that he's having.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, he has Wolverine blood, I believe is what it says.
The kids playing at an extremely high level. For him
to come back from that injury and perform like he did,
it was incredible to watch, you know, you just and
really throughout that bye week, he just kept getting better
and better and you felt like there'd be a chance
of him playing. So listen, I have not looked around

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the league at how other guys are playing and that
type of thing, but I'd be hard pressed to believe
there's a defensive player as a rookie that's playing better
than him, and then factor in what he came back from,
it's pretty remarkable.

Speaker 8 (31:54):
Thanks, Kevin.

Speaker 13 (31:55):
I wanted to ask you, I mean, with the offense,
it seems like the offense is pretty fragile and has
a tough time handling adversity. And I used the idea
they went ninety five yards, looked really good, then you
have the kick return and after that it took until
Ronnie Hickman's interception to kind of get them jump started again.

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Do you agree that they're a tough time right now
handling adversity and if they if you don't agree with it, why.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Yeah, I think our guys responded at you know, at
times in the game, Fred, did we play perfect?

Speaker 13 (32:33):
No?

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Obviously, we did not. I thought there were some missed
opportunities in the run game, there were some missed opportunities
in the past game. You're not going to get every
single one of those. But our guys they're going to
fight to the end. We didn't come through, you know,
as a football team, but the guys understand what what
an NFL game is like, and there are those ups
and downs throughout the game.

Speaker 13 (32:53):
And what about undisciplined. You kind of had ten penalties,
seventy eight yards, a lot of prets and things that
you know, even the first play of the game, Judkins
goes fifteen and gets called back. You know, how can
you adjust to those things?

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah, obviously, you know the pre snap penalties are ones
that we really can control, and post snap we can
be great with our technique. But I believe we had
three pre snap penalties on offense, which is three too
many on the road. We know the situation at the
end there. We can be better. We will be better.
Thank you, Kevin.

Speaker 14 (33:29):
Kind Of off of that, I know you want to
be better and you'll you'll preach kind of those techniques
and making sure they'll they'll clean them up. But what
does that look like? I think I've asked you about
this before. What does that look like in a week
when you're trying to ensure that disciplined you don't get
those pre snap penalties.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Well, I think you just you emphasize it every week,
like we do with the players in all meetings out
on the practice field, and we talk about, you know,
avoiding the avoidable ones, which are those pre snap penalties,
and making sure you're in the right formation, making sure
you're not jumping off sides and those type of things.
So we obviously we're not good enough in that area

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last week, and we will make sure that we emphasize
it again and make sure that it's something that's the
strength of ours and particularly it should be at home.

Speaker 14 (34:17):
And you mentioned a little earlier to just some of
those changes that happened in a game throughout a season.
Dylan Gabriel brought up the phrase, you know, if you
keep doing the same things and don't change anything, it's
the definition of insanity. Do you feel that you, as
a coach and this team has changed enough to create
actual results on the field, or is there more that

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you need to change to turn this thing around?

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Yeah, bottom line, Cam is we need to play better
football on all three sides of the ball, and we're
going to start doing that this week at home division opponent.

Speaker 15 (34:52):
Kevin, just when looking back at the film and everything,
what was your overall thoughts on how Tommy called the game?

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Yeah, I think you we'll have a chance to talk
to Tommy this week. You know, I thought we had
some opportunities there. We weren't perfect in any facets, so
certainly weren't perfect on offense, but plenty to build off of.

Speaker 15 (35:13):
And then just a dovetailing off cam and asking about
things getting fixed during the week on pre snap penalties
and stuff. When you guys have the officials in for
practices during the week, can you ramp that up with
maybe them calling things a little bit closer than what
they might normally do in terms of maybe preventing that.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yeah, I'm comfortable with how we structure that part of practice.
It's a point of emphasis for our football team and
it will continue to be a point of emphsis.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Okay, thanks Devin.

Speaker 8 (35:48):
Going back to that fourth and one, what should have
happened there or what went wrong that you weren't able
to execute?

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah, obviously, first thing I tell you, Scott is you
give them credit. You know that they did a good
job defensive call versus what we were doing. Tried to
get no different formation and go quickly, but they did
a nice job.

Speaker 8 (36:09):
And then going back to Carson, there was one pretty
big play where he wound up without a helmet on.
Should add have been a penalty on that screen for
a touchdown? What did you see when you looked at it?

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Yeah, listen, they again they made a good play call
to try to get that guy on the ground no
matter what.

Speaker 6 (36:28):
Yeah, Kevin, just wondering what does give you total faith
in Bubba and the special teams, not just after what
happened yesterday, but at various points throughout the season. There
was another part return for a touchd on some other
things that have gone on. But what what kind of
makes you feel that way?

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah? I think I get to watch our coach's coach.
I get to watch our guys work, Mary, Kay, we
need to improve. We understand that those two returns yesterday
are really disappointing, and our guys understand and you know,
everybody's role that we play in this thing, so we'll
get it fixed, can you hear me? Yep?

Speaker 11 (37:09):
My weekly question would Deshaun Watson be cleared to practice
this week.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah, I'm not sure if that's what we're doing.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
Okay, and.

Speaker 11 (37:22):
This was your first game this year not calling plays.
Did you do anything differently from last year when you
were in this position?

Speaker 4 (37:32):
No, you know, obviously, my role is to make sure
everybody's in position to succeed, and I'll continue to look
for ways to do that.

Speaker 10 (37:41):
Yeah, Kevin, I want to ask you about that fourth
and four cam getting called off sides there on TV.
It looked like you were yelling this situation not to
jump the announcers we're talking about it. Just where's your
frustration level go when it's such a critical point in
the game where you're trying to get the ball back
at the in the line minute so you at least
have a chance and a major mental mistake happens in

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such an obvious situation.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, as you know, Darryl's that's anything that happens in
the football fields my responsibility. I got to make sure
that the guys are aware of what's going on. One
plays not can be the determining factor of that ball game.
There are plenty of plays that we need to be better,
but that's my job to make sure these guys understand
those situations. Okay, thank you all right.

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in the league. Another coach firing, this one in New York.
Brian Dable is out as head coach of the New
York Giants. The decision comes after the team's fourth consecutive
to an eight start. The Giants have blown four double

(39:37):
digit leads in four road losses. They've lost Camp Scataboom
Elite neighbors for the season concussion protocol for Dart. It's
the fourth time and we said this with him, like, ye,
he can't. You cannot play quarterback. I know a lot
of I love his spirit. Everybody loves his spirit. They
love his giba dam, his heart, all of it. You
cannot put yourself in harm's way and lead with your
head the way that he does so often in this league.

(39:59):
You're just gonna get beat up up. And he's just
gotten beat up in a big, big way. Mike Kafka
will serve as the interm. I believe he was a
quarterback at Northwestern. If memory serves, he'll be the six
Giants head coach since two thousand and six.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
To remember where I knew that name.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
I think he was the Northwestern court. I think he
was with the Eagles. Mike Kafka, Yeah, I think he
was a Northwestern I from years ago. I believe you
over there, are you ready for it. Yeah, see if
I got it right, Kafk.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Yeah, yes, he was.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Sorry, I think as well. Northwestern Wildcats in his time there,
his last year throws for three one year starter only, Yeah,
two thousand and nine, throws for three thou forty three thousand,
four and thirty yards, sixteen touchdowns, twelve picks, Mike calf
gun and then he was I'm pretty sure he got
I think he got drafted. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah, he's a nice player at Northwestern. He was all
right the six Giants head coach since sixteen, McAdoo, Spagnolo, Shermer,
Judge Dable. They're keeping Joe showing did you see this?

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, which is stunning at all.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
He's apparently going to lead the coaching search that ends well,
which is wild. I just would have thought after the
hard knocks thing like once you saw that dialogue between
him and ownership on Saquon Oh. I just don't know
why unless they feel like he hit on skets.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
He also didn't want Jackson Dart because day Bol did. Yeah. There,
that's documented, and he wanted it now. And I don't
know given the injury. It's hard to say, but it
felt like pre injury. Maybe not, although Romadunze's were very good,
but he preferred Roma Dunze over neighbors, and they took neighbors. Yeah,
so yeah, it is surprising by the way Kafka spent
time started in the NFL twenty seventeen offensive quality control

(41:40):
coach with Kansas City under Andy Reid. Then he was
the quarterback coach, quarterback coach, quarterback pass game coordinator in
twenty pass game coordinator in twenty one. Has been with
the Giants as the OC since twenty two. Was the
OC assistant head coach twenty four and twenty five, and
that was the interim head coach.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah, so that's now too because Callahan out in Tennessee
and you.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Have Dable out in New York. Boggles my mind that
a year ago, not this coaching search two years ago,
the coaching search before that that led into the twenty
four season. Yep, that nobody wanted Mike Rable. It is.
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
I was talking to a buddy mine who's a diehard
Falcons fan, and he is like, how in the heck
did we not.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
Hire that guy?

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yep, And that's probably the one place he would have
really listened with all that weaponry with Cousins at that time.
I mean that was before they drafted Panix. Like he
probably would have listened to that one a lot. He
would have liked the personnel there. I mean, what he
is doing in New England. He's got one of the

(42:51):
odds on favorites for the MVP in his second year.
They still don't really have that many weapons offensively. Yesterday
they were pretty electric without Bootie that Kaishon and and
they're just winning. He's he's standing there going NFC in
the South Champs.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Did you see this? So they swept the NFC South
South Chips. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
He coaches all of it like it's just yeah. I
mean it's and they You look at them and you go, boy,
they're gonna be a contender for the next fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
With Drake May.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
They can build around him, they can draft around him.
And he was a third quarterback in that draft. It
was Caleb Jayden and then him and nobody. This is
how the how crazy this is what This speaks a
lot to Drake May. Speaks a lot to Drake May
because he was not drafted to an ideal situation at all.
They had no weapons.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
He's in his second year, they've already had a coaching change,
right and they don't.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
They're not.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
They don't have an abundanza of weapons now in the
words of you, in abundance, they don't. And yet he's
playing lights out and they look great. That that tells
you he's sp To me, that tells me he's special,
special to do that, to get to kind of.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Whether that he's done things this season that only Patrick
Mahomes did at that age when he won the MVP. Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah, like, yeah, he looks great. Yeah, the really big
win for them. We'll get to it in one thought
here shortly. Other big news in the AFC North Bengals
quarterback Joe Burrow will return to practice today. In fact,
he did return to practice. It's less than two months
removed from surgery on his turf toe injury. So now

(44:30):
correct me if I'm wrong with that would open up
his twenty one day window twenty one day window to play, yep,
so that would put him. Now here's the thing for
them because they lost the last two games. I don't
even know what good it's going to do. He was
available down in Cincinnati, uh today, but the twenty one
day window would take them theoretically, then he would play

(44:52):
at Buffalo on the seventh, or he would be in
the mix to play the seventh at Buffalo.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
So Jay Glazer is reporting last week jo me he's
returning way sooner than was expected, and gave me the
timeline of Thanksgiving ish ish.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
So that's at Ravens, right, because thanks year later this year,
Thanksgivings like the twenty wins, Thanksgiving like.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
The twenty after the Raiders twenty seventh.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Oh so they play on Thanksgiving against Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, they are the Thanksgiving game, that's correct.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
If Joe Burrow has his way, I'm sure that's what
he wants. But I mean Thanksgiving ish, I mean.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
I mean, look, if you're them, you might as well
pay him, play him, you know, why not? Why not
play him? Like, even if they're in it or not.
He's twenty eight years old by that, he'll be twenty
nine on December tenth.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
They're gonna be in it, because can they be? So
they're three and six, Ravens are four and five. You know,
how do you know how great that? Can you imagine?

Speaker 3 (45:55):
If they don't blow those two games to the Jets
and the Bears, they're in the cat bird seat in
the division. They would be five and four, five and
four with the Steelers getting Burrow back, two games they
should have won.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
All right, Bengals go their schedules. They have a big
one next week at Pittsburgh home, Patriots at Ravens at
Bill's home Ravens.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
He could lose the next five games easy. Yeah, So
even with him, they could lose the next five yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
I mean, even if they had won those two games,
they were still in a pretty but they would have
had a chance. Chance. So the Steelers, who are not
great home, Bengals at Bears home, Bills at Ravens home,
Dolphins at Lions, and then they get the Ravens in
the final week. Yeah, Ravens.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Do you remember going to win this thing? I'm asking
rhetorically because I know that you do. You remember when
Baltimore was one in five and you and I said.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
They're going to win the division. I do remember that.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
And now they've won three in a row. They're here
Sunday then Jets Bengals, Steelers all at home at Bengals,
Patriots at home at Packers at Steelers.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
Gotta make a run.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Four and five, they're gonna get they're gonna go ten
and seven.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
So the absolutely John Harbaugh this afternoon in his press conference,
we shot Bateman left yesterday with his foot in the boot,
saying there's an ankle injury, although coach did say I
think he's gonna be okay. Marlon Humphrey is weighing whether
to have finger surgery. Could miss a few weeks if

(47:31):
he has it, but also cut out to play through
the issue.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Did we get any type of We got no update
on Alex right.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
We had no update right.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Snowing baby.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Why we know that, but we just don't.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Know one more around the league.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
After random drug test two weeks ago, doctors discovered Broncos
linebacker Alex Singleton had a testicular cancerous tumor. The doctors
removed the tumor on Friday after the Broncos Thursday Night
football win. Good job on critical catch and a good
job there on that. So that's where you stand around
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Time for one thought around every NFL game from this
past weekend. Hello, gibbe, Hi, how are you? We're here?

Speaker 5 (49:38):
That's right, that's right, all right, I'm not sitting on
a plane.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Boy, it's Gibby and I did that and gid Bay
and I were on one plane. We were It was
me and Gibbe in two seats right next to it,
stacked up. How late were you guys? There was good?
It was though as a seat in front of us
was just one person for two seats, which is good
for them, good for them though, wonderful for them. That
works out quite well. I was invited up there, but
I do want to leave. Gibbe, Yeah, that's good. Would you.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Could have? I appreciate it. I don't wait. Wait where
was the extra seat on the way?

Speaker 3 (50:15):
So Gibbe me a couple of tall drinks of water,
you two right right in front of us.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
I was like, what is going on here? Yeah, dude,
So it's crazy. So I you know, we have to
be we have to be edit our at the airport
at a certain time, check in all that stuff. And
I'm like, I got to pick up Siciliano had a
rental car, so I'm like, hey, I'll just pick you

(50:44):
up the rental car place and that way. Trying to
coordinate and everything, and I'm timing it up and he's like,
don't we have to be there soon? I go Yep,
we're going to get there right before we need to
be there.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
I gotta take a page out of Nathaniel's book on that, yep,
especially when it comes to our travel.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
So we get through, we're sitting on so you go,
you check in, and then you sit on a bus
and the bus takes you out to the tarmac because
the plane. They can't bring the plane in. Yeah, the
plane's too big.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
I missed those days where it was just like the
plane would pull them. It be a jail break to
the cars.

Speaker 15 (51:18):
It is.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
So I'm sitting on the bus and normally you're just
on the bus for a couple minutes and then you
start moving like because they don't want to wait till
the bus is fully they've constantly around a shuttle when
they get to like fifteen people or so. Okay, So
it's me Siciliano.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Dom I'm already on the plane.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
Like some of the beat me onto the plane has
never happened on history. All of a sudden, like one
of there's a couple of players on our bus and
all all three players get up and they're like, all right,
we'll see you guys later. We're like, wait a minute.
Where are you guys going. They're like, oh, we got

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a text We're delayed. And I'm like, oh, hell no,
I am not going to the plane now. I'm not
sitting on that plane.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
I walk off of the plane.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
So we get we get we get the text message
a little bit after, and this is where I'm I'm
trying to coordinate, and I'm like, hey, can we leave
because I'm like, I'm just coming back here to the facility.
We'll watch college football on multiple TVs in the cafe
and then, you know, because it's only gonna be about
an hour and change. So we're doing that. I'm telling

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I'm like, can people get off the plane because now
at this point, mister Zagura has figured out that he
is going to be stuck on that plane otherwise, and
he's like, get me off of the plane. I go,
they're sending a bus right now. Now. Most of our
departments stayed on the on the plane.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah I did not not. There are good five people
that got off with me at least.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Yeah, that's it. Everybody's like. Everybody that was on that
bus was like get nope, not not a chance.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
We came back here and we went into the field house.
We had a catch. How long were you delayed? But yeah,
catch for at least an hour. Oh my gosh. They
just sat there for hours and we sat there. So
we left.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
We left four hours later than we were supposed to.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
So I'm supposed to meet my my cousin christ and
her husband Adam and their daughter release and I'd even
brought like a little gift to give to Alisa first.
I was going to meet her. DONK didn't get to
do that. Like, we got in I went straight to
into into Manhattan and we just made our dinner barely.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
I got to the hotel after we loaded at the
stadium about ten to nine wow. And then we ended
up after the game yesterday sitting on the tarmac on
the run for.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
A long two hours, two more long time.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Because there was no there were no TVs in the seats,
just sitting there in the back of the seat for
two hours.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
And then at one point they had texted something like
we're gonna move, but then we're just gonna sit there
for a while, and thirty minutes ago and we haven't
moved yet. I guess I had my earbuds in because
I was like watching something. I'm like something said we're
gonna move. Like everybody turns around, given like that was
actually pretty loud. You said that pretty loud, Like, well

(54:13):
I thought we were gonna move. Oh yeah, we're moving.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
How about that?

Speaker 2 (54:20):
So I roll real quick. If anybody's going into New
York if high recommendation for the restaurant Karima c O
R I am A. So we've been watching that knife
yeah show right, and so we're like, let's go, let's
try it Michelin Star restaurant. So we found that place

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and went in and they had like a twelve course
tasting menu which was it was like one hundred and
twenty five.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Bucks, like it was that's theft. That's Greatah, it wasn't.
It's really reasonable, man, it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Like the food was amazing. It was amazing. Like the
first three were like little little bites that came out
in like cool presentations. But the best one was it
was the collar. It was Bronzino collar. Okay, so and
it had this like chili paste on it that was

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really spicying, this almost like chimmy churry across the top
of it. And it was on a bone but you
could hold the bone and almost ate like a chicken wing,
but it was fish. It was ridiculous. It was like insane,
something like you never yeah, I've never even heard of that.
Their everything one thing was better than the next. It
was awesome. So then I got it with them, like,
oh and you can do this, we have you know,

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a pairing for it. They like, you can do you know?
We have one pairing that's got like some wineses, got
some sockey, it's got some this, some that, and it
just sounded odd to me. Yeah, and then like we
have this other one where it's kind of like a
taste of Mexico and you can taste all these different
kind of like Mexican liquurse. So like we I've heard
of mezcal, I've heard of tequila. They had like eight

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different ones that I'd never even heard of that are
just some like mezcal can only be kind of like
champagne can only be from a certain place. So there, Yeah,
there are these different names where one of them tasted
like banana, which was nuts and it was so good.
But I thought it meant that you were going to
get kind of like they were going to put together
like cocktails. Oh no, it was just like seven shots.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
With the thing.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Now, I was just like, what am I going to
taste anything ever that? So it was obviously they were
very minor pores, but and you sipped it, it wasn't
like you were taking a shot. That's basically what it was.
It was like the same effect all room temperature. Interesting
note on the rocks. And it was supposed to compliment

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the food. The smoke of this mescal is supposed to
go with this thing, and blah blah blah. I mean
the food was it was incredible, Like it was, I
highly recommend it. I would just not recommend that particular pairing,
like if you want to get a glass of mescal,
get that, and then if you want a glass of
wine letter get that on your own. But very reason
of price. Guy who was who's service, we sat at
the bar, it was it was awesome. And then every

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dish was amazing. But one thing I have to call
out because it was so They had a potatoes dish.
It was like the best potatoes I ever had in
my life. Their taco was amazing, but then they had
at the end they give you a tortilla with this
butter that they make from two different styles of butter.
That they make this kind of it's like a brown
looking butter and the tortilla is a sour dough tortilla.

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It's like their specialty of the casa and normally people
get as an app but with ours, it came kind
of like at the end with the sneak the steak
bites and they're like, don't make a brito with it.
Eat the tortilla by itself. Just in a little bit
of this butter. I could eat in a thousand of them.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
That could.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I don't even get I don't even get it. The
texture of the mouth, feel, the taste, the flavor of it.

Speaker 5 (57:49):
It was.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
It was sublime. So that was very That was very cool.
That was a very fun experience.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
So if you haven't done one of those, and not
necessarily at a Michelin Star, I mean that's its own
separate thing. But like, if you ever at a place
that is of that level, and there are quite a
bit of them, and if there are and you can
make it work the the chef course, that is such
a cool experience. Oh, every time we've done it, Aim

(58:14):
and I every time I've loved it. Yeah, it's just
it's such a cool experience.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Versus just dinner.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Yeah, yeah, because together everything's with purpose. If you get
one with wine pairing or cocktail pairing whatever.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I'd recommend they're not just a liquor pair Maybe not
the liquor pairing, but it's I mean, I've never had
one of those that I've been that was a waste
of time.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
All been great, every single one of them. Yeah, very cool.

Speaker 5 (58:37):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
So that was fun. So we enjoyed that. So I
ended up Miss k ended up flying in. She ended
up getting in hours ahead of me. For this is
our first night leaving Luca right, right, So we're gonna
have this time. We're gonna see my cousin. We're gonna
have this time in New York. You know, we should
have been in New York by five thirty. Yeah, you know,
have a couple hours in the city, walk around, do that. No,

(58:59):
I get it. And we zipped to the thing and
then basically we were there for dinner and then I'm
on a bus at nine fifteen in the morning. She's
supposed to fly out, right, not every flight from New
York to Cleveland canceled. From New York to Cleveland's canceled yesterday,
and so she ends up bringing a car, she drives something.
She beat me still, I mean she got home many hours.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
It's like eight hours, right, yeah, like seven seven plus. Yeah,
I did that from spring break once.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, I do it. It was seven ish at night,
which was brutal, but she was in the day at
least so for most of it, but most now at
the end thanks flat daylight savings.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
I swear to God, I am so backward stupid. I
am exhausted at ten o'clock. I always say up till eleven.
I'm exhausted at yeah, and I'm up at five point thirty.
Every day I'm up before the alarm.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
I can't. Yeah, I don't know one politician to get
this figured out. It just breaks me every I mean
this this year, like usually I fall in really quickly,
and I haven't. I'm exhausted by ten o'clock every night.
It's crazy, all.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
Right, kids, one thought week ten, it's a good job
there in the National Football League and we start in Berlin, Germany.
What some of the views were amazing. I can't wait
to hear the hoff. He and I were on a
text chain. His night was ending yesterday with Germans and

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Irish and I'm like, well, that's a recipe for disaster.
And then he sent me a picture of the cocktails
and I'm like, it's going to be a long flight
home for you to like a baby.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
It's going to be a contraptions.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Yeah, but if your head feels like it's going to explode,
I don't know how much of a cure you have
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:00:43):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
The Colts remain the NFL's best team at eight and two.
They take down the Gutlass Falcons thirty one to twenty five.
Falcons have now lost four in a row. Boba should
lead us off.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Look, the no brainer here is the Jonathan Taylor angle
of it. But the one thing that I would say
that I would now start to have. I would have
quite a bit of concern with Michael Pennock's quarterbacking the
Atlanta Falcons. And there were some moments when it looked
like he was coming around. But if you just look
at what he's done this year, he is completing less
than sixty percent of his pass is fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Eight point eight s hard to do in this NFL.
It is nine touchdowns, three picks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
He was twelve of twenty eight for one seventy seven
yesterday after going twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
They've lost four in a row.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
They just have way too much offensive firepower for that,
and it's just a crazy miss. It feels like it's
a crazy miss for them. I hate to condemn the
kid already's in his second year. It just doesn't look right.
And they'll probably have to make a change at coach
because they expected more this year. So they're probably gonna
have to make a change at coach. And then he's
gonna have one more chance with the new coach to

(01:01:49):
try to reinvigorate him. We'll see if he can, but
it's been a really disappointing season for him in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Yeah. So, Jonathan Taylor's leading the league in everything. He's
ever in six yards of carry right now, just ran
for two forty four and three touchdowns. Where does that
even rank? Like all time?

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Too?

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Four? That's got to be a top ten game, don't
you think? Two hundred and forty yards rushing? Two hundred
and forty four? Yeah, yeah, it's got to be way
up there. Let's say anyway, this one. I have a
couple of takeaways from this all right, single game all
time that was number oh no, that was not number ten.

(01:02:25):
That was actually number nineteen. He does have the tenth game,
which is two fifty three. Adrian Peterson to ninety six
against the San Diego Chargers in two thousand and seven.
Ye Jamal Lewis two ninety five against the Browns in
two thousand and three.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
That's a famous postgame. Well if we just stop him
on two or three plays, Yeah, but okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Jerome Harrison two and eighty six yards Cleveland Browns versus
the Chiefs. This put him on our This this was
my case for him to get on our He had
the best three games stretching franchise history in two thousand
and nine. Was that also the game that Cribs had
like a couple of kick returns. Feels like that's around
the last time that we had the kick return touchdown.

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Corey Dillon two seventy eight against the Broncos in the
year two thousand, Walter Payton two seventy five against the
Vikings in seventy seven. O. J. Simpson against the Lions
two seventy three and seventy six. Sean Alexander two sixty
six November the eleventh, two thousand and one against the
Raiders my guess that feels like that was like a
that Monday night game when he wins nuts. Jamal Charles.

(01:03:32):
I remember this was a fantasy playoff game two fifty
nine against the Denver Broncos in twenty ten, So the
top eight all happened in twenty ten or before. And
then you get number nine Sakuon Barkley last year two
fifty five against the Rams in November. And then he
had Jonathan Taylor against the Jags January third, twenty twenty one,
two fifty three.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
So that game that you speak of the Harrison games Sunday,
December twentyeth two thousand and nine. This might have This
might be one of the top five Browns games since
so he's got that, does it have the two Cribs
ones too? Forty four? I don't remember this somehow, Josh
Cribbs with a one hundred yard kickoff return and a

(01:04:12):
one hundred and three yard kickoff re pretty sure those.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Aren't those our last kick returns for a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Maybe Jerome Harrison had three touchdowns in addition to that
two fifties.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Yeah wow, think about that. To run for two eighty
six and not even get the benefit of the ball
on two possessions because of Cris's hit. Cribs yeah, return touchdowns. Yeah.
So all right, so that's where Taylor is, by the way, Yep,
we had Do I have that right?

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
I think I do?

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
We had sixty six yards passing in the winner Brady
Quinn ten of seventeen for sixty six, no touchdowns, two
INTERCEPTIONSZ wow.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
All right, So Taylor obviously spectacular. He's averaging six yards
of carry for the season, leads the league in rushing,
rushing ear. It's total yards, total touchdowns, rushing touchdowns, all
of it. I thought this was a big one for
Danny Dimes. Bloodied Beaten makes some huge throws to set
up the game tying field goal with twenty five seconds left,

(01:05:13):
then leads them down the field and they score. Now
Nathan Zieger sports Are has something he wants to say.
Go ahead. Oh boy, I know where you're going, and
I agree with you already. I don't even need to
hear the presentation. After every touchdown you get to kick
an extra point. Yep. I don't care if it happens
in overtime. And here's my solution. It's a dangerous play

(01:05:35):
and it can't possibly impact the outcome. Got it. So
what we're gonna do is we're gonna line up with
a snapper, We're gonna line up with a holder and
a kicker. No defensive line out there, but they get
to kick that extra point because there are things that
matter to certain people out there. This is a great point,
and there's no reason why you shouldn't get the opportunity
to score seven points with a touchdown. Just because you
score it in an overtime, it ends the game.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
One percent, one hundred percent. Yep, the scores agree. It's
just seriously, it's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
You can kick it off a t if you want,
but let him get kicked the extra point. Yeah, yep.
Like the only way it doesn't make sense if you
have a team with a six and a half point spread, okay,
that The only way you can win that game in
overtime when touchdowns are six plus one seven is if

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you kick a field goal first on the opening possession
and then they throw a pick six or you get
a fumble six. That's the only way to come back.
That doesn't make any sense. It makes no sense.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
Good call. Thank you to the Sunday One o'clock window.
The Bears in a snow Globe game in Chicago take
down the Giants in Brian day Ball's last game as
head coach. Giants oh and six away from the Bears
are six and three.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Don't look now, Nathan, another hook from what would been
a huge week from the scores. Oh, I know, Caleb
Williams got it done down the stretch. Right now, they're dangerous.
They're starting to get Colston Loveland involved, which I think
is good for them. You drafted him in the first round.

Speaker 13 (01:07:11):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Dj Moore, by the way, in this game held without
a catch. He had a donut four targets, no receps,
but still without but without without even on his four targets.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Nothing very strange before injury. It's just a strange season
for him, totally, not a single hundred yard game.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Very quiet.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
They made such the big deal after signing the extension
last year and Duneesa is clearly their best target and
all of that. I don't know if the Bears are
any good yet. Somehow they're six and three.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Caleb is a weird watch.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Yeah, I don't places quarterback in an odd way yep,
But they're six and three, and they're three and one
at home.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Jackson Dart now has a rushing touchdown in every single
game that he has quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Fourth time he's been examined for a concussion. Yeah, as
we say, second's unfortunately it's content. You can't It's not
that way.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
Up next, guys, Proving that the NFL continues to be drunk.
On Sundays, the Miami Dolphins hosting Buffalo take down the Bills.
Smack him around. Bill's thirty. I'm sorry, Dolphins thirty, Bill's thirteen.
The Dolphins now three and seven. I don't know what's
going on in Buffalo. Bo Bishop one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Thought, so.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
I was nervous about this one when we did it
in the scores because Miami after us, they kind of
changed their processes offensively, and they were pretty good after
losing to us. But I thought, Buffalo, you just beat
Kansas City at home, like, go handle your business.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
The division games attention. Yeah, he's in a trap.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Game and it was a beatdown, an absolute beat down.
And to see Mike McDaniel in his car like trolling
a Bill's bar in South Florida, was that an incredible
job at him?

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
What a comeback for Mike mcdande's great, he's won two
in a row. Now. Stupefying loss for Buffalo, just absolutely stupefying.
I just I don't think that way that they.

Speaker 5 (01:09:08):
Lost to the Falcons. They've lost to the Dolphins. I
mean there are other losses, obviously to the Patriots in overtime,
but like two of those three, just, I don't know
what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
It's gonna come back to Hanum at some point. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They they don't have a go to playmaker in the
passing game. Josh Allen has to do everything himself and
at some point you see all the way back around. Yeah, incredible, incredible,
It was incredible. Nuts Tua was a fishing in this one.
A chan is an he's a weapon of weapons. Yep.

(01:09:45):
So the story came out that Buffalo wanted Jalen Waddle.
Did you see this? I did? And the sticking point
was they were offering a twenty seven first round pick
and Miami said, no, it's got to be a twenty
six for strum pick, and they were unwilling to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
I think if I were Miami, I would have wanted
it in twenty seven. Same, that's when it's that draft's
gonna be no same.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
So in sead does not happen and Waddle goes for
eighty four yards and a touchdown and the Dolphins win,
and Jalen Waddle would look pretty good on that on
that team right now. So to me, that's where if
I was the Bills, I would rather give up my
twenty six. Where you're going you think you're going for
the Super Bowl right like, Yeah, I don't know. I

(01:10:30):
wonder why. I'm curious as to why that was twenty
seven has some real talent in it, not that they're
going to be near it, but I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:42):
Up next, guys, just in time to play the Cleveland
Browns is coming Sunday. The Raven's probably the hottest team
in the National Football League. They've won three in a row.
They are within a game of first place Pittsburgh in
the AFC North. The Ravens struggled early, but take down
the Vikings. Twenty have been nineteen. The final score of
Minnesota now four and five on the football season. Nathan's

(01:11:05):
Girl won.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Ravens offense is not clicking right now. For whatever reason,
it's not clicking right now. They kicked at one point
four straight field goals. This is a game where they
won the turnover battle three to zero. That should be
a boat racing for a team of their caliber. Lamar
Jackson has thrown for more than two hundred and twenty
five yards in just one game this year. Here's the

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one that's crazier to me. Lamar Jackson has rushed for
more than fifty yards in a game one time this year.
He's rushed for fifteen or fewer in two games. He
has been under forty yards rushing this year. In five
of his seven games, he has but one rushing touchdown.
And you're saying it's still like decent numbers. This is

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a guy who rushed for nine hundred and fifteen yards
the year before eight twenty one seven sixty four, seven
sixty seven, one thousand and five. His yards rushing per
game in his career have never been below forty and
in fact, since twenty nineteen it's been eighty sixty seven,
sixty four, sixty four fifty one fifty four thirty six
yards a game.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
This year he is rushing for Yeah, I got two
stats for this. One one is a stat, the other
one is a thought. JJ McCarthy went twenty of forty
two and through two picks in this game as the
Vikings quarterback. He has not looked good in really any
of his starts. Even in the game last week that
they won, he wasn't great. They're watching as Sam Darnold
is lighting the league up, and you're saying yourself, my god,
if you're crazy, you have to be going, oh no,

(01:12:30):
we blew it. Did we blue this boy? Did we
have the guy and we let him walk because we
drafted the guy?

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Should have traded McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
They should have traded McCarthy. They should have pivoted and
traded McCarthy's what they should have done in retrospect, very clearly.
The second thing I'm going to give you, and this
one is even maybe more stupefying. Yesterday, Derrick Henry put
his career rushing total to twelve one and twenty seven
yards in ten seasons. Okay, one and twenty seven. He
passed finally, after ten NFL seasons, his high school rush record.

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He ran for twelve thousand yards in four years of
high school football. It is the stupefying stat line. It's
the wilt hundred yard game. It's five hundred and eleven
wins for Cy Young. He ran for twelve thousand yards
in four years of high school football. He finally passed
it ten years in the NFL yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
That is incredible. One stat for you along the lines
of what jaj McCarthy is not doing. Justin Jefferson and
Jordan Addison in this game combined for twenty three targets,
seven catches for seventy two yards, twenty three targets. J
Jeffson's pretty good players. They're good. Those guys are all right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Kind of Hey, somebody asked where would you put where
would you rank Jeremiah Smith NFL receivers right now?

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
If you put him on an NFL roster, who would
you absolutely say is better than him? Uh No, but
I jamar Chase keV says nobody Chase Jefferson with the
two that I said immediately, I'm not sure that he's
not better.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
He's physically better.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Than that till yeah, so you see it. But yeah,
so the only I the only four people, and correct
me if I'm missing somebody, and I wrote down Chase
Jay jettas and he's very different than this next one.
But I'm on Rossaint Brown is just as productive as

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productive gets year and and year out, and so until
you can use the first team all pro. Yeah. Uh,
and then pukinakua pokinakua is as productive as it gets. Yeah,
Jysen has been great this year. JSN this year for sure,
But I don't know that's been number one this year. Yeah,
but I don't know that. I I mean Jeremiah, he's
he's right there, right there. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
Up next, how about those New England Patriots eight and
two on the season, five and oh away from Foxborough.
They go into Tampa Tempa. It's twenty eight Tampa Bay,
twenty three Buccaneers six and three. Injury bug continuing to
bite Tampa Bay bo Bishop.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Yeah, this was this was a well earned New England win.
Baker played pretty good. Twenty eight forty three, two seventy seven,
three scores, no picks.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
It was yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Uh they got a mech go on those six for
one to fifteen, like a guy named Mac Collins six
for one oh six in New England. That's when you
know you got great quarterback and the guy that we
were curious, like, what what's going on? Why are they
not playing Travion?

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
What took so long?

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Does Trevion Is he no good? Oh no, he's quite good.
He's quite good. Just fine, He's just fine. Fourteen for one,
forty seven and two scores for Trevion Henderson.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
This game was really twenty eight to sixteen with a
minute thirty to go. Yeah, we got the late touchdown
baked the Tes Johnson who scored twice in this one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
New England is just a good complete football team, bottom line,
that's just what they are, a good complete football team.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
Onward do we go? The New Orleans Saints got the
memo about Bo Bishops with his son. They take down
the Carolina Panthers seventeen to seven, Saints probably kicking themselves
for winning this. Saints are two and eight, Carolina drops
to five and five. Nathan's the girl.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Good for good for Tyler Shuck right, and he played well,
played well in this one. Good for Chris Lave who's
been playing well, and he was a subject of a
lot of trade talks and just like, all right, well
why would you get rid of him? The real story
to me, though, and this one is this is an
epic egg by the Carolina Panthers, just kind of borderline inexcusable.

(01:16:34):
How to lose this game at home when they're trying
to be a team of consequent it's good for you,
good for your pocketbook, but just this guy, it's kind
of a stupefying loss. To be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
I think the Saints look great in those uniforms. I
don't know, yaw, with the old school jerseys, they looked
really clean.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
I like that look for them.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
Rounding out the one o'clock window of the Houston Texans
beating j Jacksonville thirty six twenty nine in a matchup
between two teams that I have no idea what direction
either one of these two are going.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
I gotta say this so every day I say this,
every time you go in and out of break is
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Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
This game is a great example of it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:22):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Okay, Houston is a one and a half point favorite
in this game. I yeah, they're one and a half
point favorite in this game Jacksonville. I mean, first of all,
they're leading the whole No, he's no.

Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
That's the one you got in guests. His scores it
was I think it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Was two and have been two and a half, one
and a half, two and a half. So you're headed
from Jacksonville's perspective, they're not going to win the game.
But fine, Trevor Lawrence inexplicably waits way too long to
throw it. They can't throw it in the middle fields.
He's trying to throw it to the edge. Houston giving
him the middle of the field and guarding the edges.

(01:18:03):
He throws a pick six that goes from thirty to
twenty nine Texans to thirty six twenty nine Texans from
a win for you if you were betting responsibly on Jacksonville,
to a loss for you on a play that has
nothing to do with anything.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Yeah, So this one moved a lot. So it did
close at Jags plus Jags minus one point five. It
closed it, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
When we picked it was it was the other way,
and on Thursday it was two.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
And a half. Yepkay, And so it went to one
and a half opened it ended at Jags minus one
and a half. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
So if you needed a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
There were a lot of people though that could have
had a middle. Yes, that could have been a Minsky.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
If you needed a quarterback to win a game one
game start to finish? Is it cj or Trevor Lawrence
right now?

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Well, and it was Davis Mills playing in this one,
right It wasn't even it was Davis Mill. I don't
know whatvor. Trevor Lawrence maybe is broken beyond all repair.
I think he might just be broken. And I don't
know what happened your boy, Brian Thomas.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
He didn't play.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
He didn't even play in this game. But like all
the things we thought they would be, and yet there's
still five and four and kind of in it in
a bad division sort of. But man, yeah, he might
just be cooked.

Speaker 5 (01:19:23):
Next to the New England Patriots, maybe the hottest team
in the National Football League right now is the Seattle Seahawks.
You mentioned it. They were up thirty five to nothing
at half or late in the second quarter. I don't know.
We were on a tarmac. I'd lost track of time.
It could have been Tuesday for all I know. Seahawks

(01:19:43):
forty four, Cardinals twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Is the girl?

Speaker 5 (01:19:45):
One thought.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
This was such a beating, okay, and this game was
over after the first quarter, to the extent that when
you see forty four points, you're like, oh many US
to just let it loose. Donald must have monster. Sam
Donald was ten for twelve for one hundred and seventy
eight yards in this game, touchdown to JSN on the opener.

Speaker 5 (01:20:10):
YEP.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
After that, they basically stopped throwing the football. They ran
it twenty eight to thirty five, thirty nine, forty one,
forty five, forty eight times, and threw it twelve times
forty eight times and through it twelve times and maddening
if you're a fantasy oh somebody who lost in a
league by less than a point with Sam Donald in
a two quarterback league, I was like, it's thirty five,

(01:20:33):
then what's the point they stopped they did? They were
like no reason, Yeah, let's just resting up, let's wrap
it up. We all were on the Houston side of it,
thought that Jacoby could maybe do something there. Trey McBride,
though he continues to be incredible, Jacks Smith and Jig
by the way, had I think eighty two yards four
for eighty two in a touchdown with like six minutes
to go in the first quarter. That's right, ended with

(01:20:55):
five for ninety three and one. Yeah, they basically just chilled.
Mike McDonald can coach it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
He was defensive coordinator at Michigan in twenty twenty one,
then goes to Baltimore for two years and now there
they are set up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Think about that staff, So you had set up he
was there? Yep. When did Mintter come? Did Mintor replace him?
And when he went to when McDonald went to Baltimore
or Mintor might have been a position coach because Mincher
is now DC and for the Chargers with Harbaugh they
are and they're out. He was there. Let's see. By

(01:21:29):
the way, did anybody catch us on the broadcast last night?
They were sowing? So Mintor's dad, yes, it was a
college coach. I had just gotten home. Mintor's dad was
a college coach, Ron Minter, I want to say, I
don't remember his name. And on his staff at Cincinnati
was a young Mike Tomlin. Now the craziest part about

(01:21:52):
it is that I contend Mike Tomlin in the year
twenty twenty five looks significantly younger than Mike Tomlin, who
was the coach on Cincinnati twenty plus years ago. Ye,
significantly younger, Yeah, which I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Mintor replaced McDonald on Harbaugh's staff as defensive coordinator that's
pretty good. That's pretty good hiring for Jimbo.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
He's good. He's good, Yeah, he is, and a hell
of a staff Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
Next up, we've got to speed it along here. The no,
we're doing very well. Beat niners twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Rams or bussaw Stafford. Is Stafford's unbelievable this year. He's unbelievable.
He's it's him so worried about his back. Yeah, yeah, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
More than fine. This is a beat down.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
But one thing that jumps out to me on the
mac Jones front thirty three thirty nine for three nineteen
in this game, in that type of accuracy travels Stafford
twenty four to thirty six, two eighty four touchdowns, no.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Picks, No big deal. All right, guys, So since week four,
Week four, Matt Stafford has thrown twenty touchdowns and no picks.
Is that good? I don't know? Is that interesting? Is
that good? Last three weeks? That four, four, five, one, three, three,

(01:23:14):
no picks. On the other side, he's got a three
seventy five or three eighty nine er in there. He's
got a couple under two hundred and he's got two
eighty one, two eight. Last few weeks. He has been
spectacular and one of the things they found and it
really really uh had Tom Brady going nuts as they
played a lot of thirteen personnel and they're getting their
young tight end Terrence Ferguson involved, who was the second

(01:23:34):
round picked out of Oregon, who's a kid that can run.
He had a thirty two yard catch in this one.
They're getting Colby Parkinson, Higbee, Ferguson. Those are the three.
They've been pretty darn good. Devonte Adams now has six
touchdowns this year, receiving all of them in He has
nine on the season. He has six though inside the
opponent's five yard line. He has scored six touchdowns in

(01:23:56):
the last three games, and I believe all of them
they were saying on the broadcast all inside the opponent's
five yard by Brady. Was actually really good to listen
to for some of that game. YEA. So on the
Davante touchdown, he had pointed that out. He sees Davonte
in the slot, He's like Davante's they got a safety
on Davante. He goes, that's where it's going.

Speaker 5 (01:24:14):
And next up to round out the four o'clock windows.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
That Jones by the way.

Speaker 5 (01:24:23):
Real.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Do you hear the way Kittle talked about him after
the game, like he is real? He will be a
starting quarterback somewhere in the NFL. And I think the
Browns would be wise to be in on that, which
is it's almost like if you're a quarterback who flamed out,
you want to go play.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
For Staffs, O'Connell, McVeigh, Shannile, you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Will be reinvigorated.

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
Leons beat the beat the Commanders forty four to twenty two,
with President Trump in attendance of Bois.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Dan Campbell call him place.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
Yeah, I got this move over?

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
So what did he do? Take it over in the
middle of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
No, I think he did it like pregame from pregame, Yeah, yeah,
he took it over. They get fifteen for one from Gibbs,
fifteen for seventy one for Montgomery. Golf goes twenty five
to thirty three, three twenty three touchdowns, no picks. He
calls the play to Jamo and he fist pumps he
knows he's got it. Yeah, Jamo does a flip into

(01:25:23):
the end zone.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
The Lions, that was Washington really massively disappointing season for them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
How about how about Trump in the National Broadcast booth,
thinking that they were like the Washington home he did. Announcers,
He's like, he guys, got a great backup quarterback. You
know he like him. He's like, if your quarterback can
stay healthy, you know he'd be he'd be something. He's
a good young player. Film is doing all the six
seven stuff with him. Yeah, which was crazy great. That

(01:25:50):
was yeah, that was That was pretty surreal.

Speaker 5 (01:25:54):
Final one of the night on Sunday Night Football, if
you waited up, the Chargers take down the Squealer twenty
five to ten. It's so far quickly one thought.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Steelers aren't good. I've said it for a long time.
I know that, Yes, they beat the rounds, but they're
not good and they have no offense whatsoever. He's not
driving with DK at all. DK looks frustrated, very frustrated.
And then their d's not great. Chargers are good vandalsa
Soon who needs a Marion Hampton. That's the thing you

(01:26:27):
could You can have been rolling with vadalsa Soon all season.
Herbert is doing a Yeoman's Oh he's incredible. This is
I mean, he should be in the MVP. Like the
way he's running it and their offensive line is decimated. No,
Hampton doesn't matter. Yeah, I mean they're seven and three man,
they're handling their business. He get sacked five times in
this game and shrugged it all off and yeah, was

(01:26:50):
just fine. Yeah, we'll get your great clips.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
It's gonna be great call of in a Monday night
football score and we got a money night football.

Speaker 5 (01:26:56):
This is so much more to come. Oh it is there.

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It's going to be great call of the game. It's
brought to you by Great Clips. Here's Jerry Judy's twenty
two yard touchdown in the second quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
On the New York twenty two yard line.

Speaker 5 (01:27:49):
Another Buckeye Judkins in the backfield here browns three to
the right from under center on first Now they're down
fourteen to seven. Sudden change after the turnover playfake Gabriel throwing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Episode wants Judy, Hey, caught it. Touchdown? How about that?
There is your answer. One play touchdown, drive Gabriel to
Judy and we're an extra point away from being tied.
I love the aggressiveness Tommy Reese. First play after a
sudden change, get it to the end zone and in

(01:28:21):
this case underthrows Judy a little bit, but it allows
him to come back and make the play. Jerry Judy,
believe it or not, folks, that is his first receiving
touchdown this season, and the first touchdown from Gabriel to
a wide receiver since becoming the starting quarterback. Wow, that's
pretty wild. Yeah, that is that is that is pretty wild.

(01:28:41):
That that is a look there. I can't we can't
sugarcoat this. We did it for the first hour of
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
But the the reality of Judy getting back into the
game plan. If you're looking to have success in the
second half, that's gonna be a big part of it
is getting him unlocked.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
And they at least did that yesterday. Useful And you
went ahead and you kind of picked your eyebrows up
there at the second part I said that, believe it
or not, was the first wide receiver touchdown by a
Cleveland Brown catching the football since Week two in Baltimore,
when Ceder Tilman had a touchdown. Yeah, that's not the

(01:29:19):
modern NFL. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
it's not. What did you what was the DeVante Adams sat?
You just had. Devanta Adams has six receiving touchdowns himself
in the last three weeks, all from inside the five
yard line. Yeah, everybody's doing it. Well, maybe not to
that level that's down, but yes, people are doing it.
People are doing it and having a great time.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
All Right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
We got a little Monday nighter.

Speaker 5 (01:29:44):
This one's worth waiting out the finn one. We go
to Green Bay and lambeau Field Packers hosting the Eagles.
Eagles coming off of the bye week. Currently at six
and two. Packers, don't forget last week lost the Carolina
Preckers five two and that tie to the Dallas Cowboys.

(01:30:07):
Bo Bishop lead us off Monday Night football Eagles and Packers.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
It's two in a row where I need the Monday
Night Er to get the five hundred after the thirteen
and two week from a couple of weeks ago when
we were cruising, and then this is kind of what happens, right,
so you you revert back to the mean.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
A little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Weird weekend in the league, not just not just like
scores wise, just results wise. It is really strange.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
It's just rare.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
I think Green Bay is really good, and it's just
rare that I that it's less than a field goal
for the home team. So I'm going to go the
Packers winning this one. I think it's a really good game.
I got the Packers win in twenty seven to twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
So the line, the fact that the Packers are favored,
it gives me pause. But I like Philly coming off
of a bye. I think that they are going to
be ready to roll. I got the Eagles outright twenty
eight twenty four. I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
I think it'd be a good fun game, fun uniform wise,
It'll be fun, Lambea will be fun at night.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
I'll always be doing probably be cold too.

Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
Maybe a little weather.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
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