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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
All right, what's you live on a football Friday edition
of Cleveland Browns Daily. I am merely Bo, he is
the great Z. How you living, buddy, I'm doing well, dude,
doing well.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
I really enjoyed last night's game, which went exactly as
we said, duh, winning because that's how we do on Thursdays.
That's right, that is what we do.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
We produced straight dubs, straight dubs.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Oh wait, this was one of those interesting ones that
depending on when you ventured to the window to the scores,
this is one that everybody you could hit both. There
was a nice middle that was then it ultimately created
there was there was it happened to fall, Yeah, it did.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I think what you saw last night was when you
have a culture tornado like Mike Brabel come into a
situation where they they kind of luck into the quarterback
they just I mean, you get one, and they got one.
He was the third quarterback in that draft. Mike obviously
liked him from AFAR. That was always obviously a job

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that he was would have interest in because you knew
he wasn't gonna deal with that again where he's trying
to do piecemeal stuff with quarterbacks like gonna, I'm gonna
get a guy and it's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
A guy I like.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
And now you put Culture Tornado with franchise quarterback, and
now you have a team that's won eight in a row.
That quite honestly, it's hard for me to imagine a
situation where they are not the one seed in the AFC.
Now have you looked at their schedule? They still play Buffalo,
there's one more that they won't be that they might
be a coin flip, but Buffalo's at home. Yeah, it's

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hard for me to imagine they have it's it's hard
for me to imagine them anything worse than twelve and five, all.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Right, nine and two at Bengals home, Giants home Bills
at Ravens at Jets home Dolphins.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
So they're not losing more than four, there's no they're
not losing more than two, like three of those would
be stunning. Sure, which is still twelve and five, which
a really good chance at being the number one overall
seat with the way all the rest of this is
going to shake out.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
So yeah, that's what happens when where you go tada. Yeah,
they're quite good.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
And they also kind of had a with Travion. They've
had a you know, they didn't have to trade Carlos
Hide to get Nick Chubb going. They Remondre got hurt
and now it's like, oh, yeah, I remember I was
talking about this.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
I know you're like, he's a bust. I say, why
isn't he playing? What's going on? It doesn't make any sense. No,
it's really good, So why would they have not the thing?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Somebody said this this morning we were talking about this
doesn't make make sense. Somebody said that he put the
ball on the ground season he missed one blitz pick up,
and I don't know, feels like this upside is greater
than that.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
But you could also argue and say that level of
accountability that Mike Grabel said, I know you're a study,
you know you're a stud, but you're going to have
to get to the point where I can fully trust
you to get the opportunities.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Also seems to have worked, because it's not like they
lost a bunch of games.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Because he wasn't playing.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
They won the whole time, and now he's maybe even
more locked in than he would have been and playing
at an at a very high level. Drake May is awesome.
Those uniforms are fantastically could. I think they should be
in their closet at all times with you, I agree
with you.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
So it was hard in our game to see.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
This because he through five passes beyond the line of scrimmage.
Justice please, I mean, I don't know, it's closer.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
He's pretty close.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
I'm pretty close.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
He's probably three inches. Yeah, you're pretty pretty close. Give
I don't Yeah, you might have might have a little
mic issue there, right, Yeah, I mean I was like
something that.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Something right here?

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Yeah, he's he's at his normal was this was normal?
Very normal.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
I'm gonna get closer closer still, okay, yeah, but just
with justin fields that you couldn't see in our game
live an Yeah, you could see a little bit of
it on tape prior, but he had a much easier game,
I'd say against the Bengals because they don't rush the.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Quarterback at all. He only throws the ball one speed
and it is one hundred miles an hour. Yeah, there's
not a lot of touch.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
There's none.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
And I'll tell you what I know that we were
in on that ad and I Mitchell, we ended up
not He ended up being part of that trade. Like
that guy got open against Christian Zales three or four times.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Now he part of being a receiver. There's two parts, right, yep,
get open and then catch the ball. And he did
not catch a couple of them. But Field just throws
like rockets.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, and it's I don't know that goes he He's
one of the most puzzling prospects for me personally because
of how great he was at Ohio State for two years.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
He was great for two years.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
And coming out and he had that truncated COVID year
where the Big ten tried thrown away the season and
he went on good Warning American and saved it and
all that stuff. But he was He played one of
the best games I've ever seen a quarterback play at
Ohio State in the National semifinal against Clemson in twenty
twenty just a stupefying performance when Clemson was Clemson, and

(05:44):
I just always wondered, like was he It just was
so fragile that spot in Chicago, and they sent him
out against Miles and us here in his first start,
and it was that was malfeasance.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
And I knew it from time.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
You knew it.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
People on that Steff who were on our old staff,
and like they were it was like he was being
led to slaughter.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah, they were well aware.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Crazy absolutely nine times and it was like nine times,
and it's like now, I don't know, it's too far gone.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
I think I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
If he could, I would go McVeigh shanahan like those guys,
and you can rehabilitate.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
And I'm quite frankly, I'm going to tell you another one.
I think that might be the only chance for a
Trevor Lawrence. I think that these guys, because Trevor Lawrence
was as billed as as the most can't miss sense
Andrew luck Fair, I think that with herb that year,
all of that, and it's just such a mental game.
And then when you start to doubt yourself, or you

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start to play differently or think or tried to aim
the football, any of those things.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
It all goes.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
You know, when Justin Fields, I'm pretty sure at Ohiuse
was playing very confidently, Trevor Lawrence c Comes was playing
very confident, absolutely, And I think it just those guys
get derailed and you need somebody to build them back
up and not only build up their confidence, but rebuild
maybe their process, because my guess is you're talking about
guys Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields who have gone through how

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many different processes? Right, So you're going, I'm in Chicago,
it's not great. Then I'm going and now I'm Arthur
Smith's telling me to do it this way. Now I'm
in New York, and I'm sure they're telling them me
to do it another way. But you need somebody, As
Daniel Jones said that his time with Kevin O'Connell was invaluable,
Like I think what's crazy is you could get a
situation where the Justin Fields of the worlds. If Trevor

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Lawrence ends up not being there, of Kyler Murray, for example,
there's another one. I would if those guys are thinking
like big picture, which it's hard to do. Now, there
may be a team out there that says Okay, we're
gonna make you our starter. We're gonna pay you, you know,
the twenty plus million. Okay, fine, you do that, So
why justin fields there? But if not, I'm saying I'm
gonna go. And what I'm gonna call this is almost
like a red shirt year where the good news for
me is I'm still gonna make like three to five

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million dollars to go to quote unquote school and I'm
gonna go to let me be a backup for you.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yep, And that's all I'm asked for. San Francisco Rams, Yep,
go to one of those spots. You might be able
to go to Seattle now too.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
But like he's not going to be there.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
He won't be there, but like go to those type
of spots and go to quarterback finishing school. Yeah, is
a rehabilitation. It's kind of what it is. Yeah, I'm
I'm with you. That's I'm watching that last night and going, God,
I know he had to take it, like two years,
forty million guaranteed jets starter, all of it, but like
they should have gone the other way with it, really

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should have.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
So, yeah, it was. It's tough to watch.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
It's tough to watch how the way that he plays
quarterback now compared to what he was coming out of it.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
And I think, if you it's one of those great
one ifs. I think if he is let's say he
is drafted by Colin instead of they doing that, they
give that all up and they take justin Fields instead
of taking Trey Lance, he may be.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Playing for Super Bowls.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah. I think that the nurture, it's that, you know,
quarterback argon so massive. Yeah, And I think you know,
you look at for example, with us, with like when
you have to go with a different offensive coordinator every
year and then obviously we know some of the other
circumstances around it.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
That's really hard.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
And now he's had guys kind of cycle out in
Tampa because they played so well that you know, now
Liam Cohn's a head coach, but it's always been somebody
Dave Canalis went to before Liam Cohen went to Carolina,
and so basically it's been but it's the same system,
like the same guys from within ye are maintaining it
and he's been able to play really well. It's just
it's watching that was it was just starting and I

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felt it was almost kind of like the Patriots were.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Not toying with them.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
It was basically like, we know we're gonna win this game,
whether we're gonna you know, do we care about the
scores enough to really go out there and you know,
sure we'll go ahead and you know, do some things there.
But it just was there was never a question. They
were never gonna lose that game.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Never.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Never, you never, Like the Jets went down and had
the best drive of the game, right they score seven
nothing and you're like, okay, and then they go right
back two drives over the entire first quarter.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
YEP.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
I will say this. I got another comment from last
night because last night I was able to miss Kay
was out at the Cavs game. Oh so I after
our show at him, Jim, I got to ca him
and like really just kind of like, yeah, locking had
a leftover bowl of beef soup, lovely little glass of
wine was dialed, and like really like you know, yeah,
I was locked. This is kind of the first Thursday

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game where I've actually really kind of locked into the commentary.
And I feel like Alan Herbie like genuine like from
where they started.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
I agree they really like each.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Other now and there's like, well there's a chemistry.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
I couldn't agree more and it was like it was fun.
I enjoyed it, I think, and I know that Herbie
gets a lot of criticism and certainly got a lot
in the NFL world. When he gets there, he's a
very easy listen, totally total, and he's much better. Yeah,
he just really he knows the NFL more because he's
now in the year three of doing it, so he
knows the league more. Yeah, it's easier to do because
he's more familiar with it. And then he's just a

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very at ease broadcaster totally. And al loves it. I
mean it's yeah, no, it's good. It's it's a it's
a really nice product.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
A couple of things practicing practice, just wrapping up this
week out for Sunday, Alex Wright, your questionables are Melik
Collins coachaid Collins felt something during practice, didn't finish today.
Denzel Award coach. Award came down with illness today. Doesn't
have a good update or feel if he will go
on Sunday, I would be shocked.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
I would be shocked as well. But you still don't
like the kind of the end there, right, you don't
like the Melik Collins on a Friday and oblique. Those
are the ones that you don't like as much. Certainly,
I think with Denzel I'd feel pretty good about that.
You got to see how yeah he feels coming through.

(11:46):
It's going around for sure. But yeah, I think that
the Molik one is the one that makes you a
little bit a little nervous. He's been playing, he's playing
so great for you. Is basically your second best pass
rusher on this team. Four sacks he's done. He's done
an excellent job. So and this is a game where
you know too, Yeah, that's a bit. Yeah, that's not
insignificant in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Now second and third best defensive lineman this year, those two,
oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yes, most definitely. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
On the raven side of things, where Shard Bateman did
not practice, Marlin Humphrey either, we know all of those.
If Bateman can't go, Harbord says Devontes Walker.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Would be next man who only catches touchdown.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Soll he does, but Chris Carter he is.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Harbor also said we'll see if Mike Green can go
on Sunday the second round pick. I believe on a
Marshall so there you go on that Justice Hill, the
backup running back, was on the field for the first
time this week. So that is your injury report for
Sunday between the Browns and Ravens. So those are your
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(14:08):
great to talk to you, buddy. I just want to
start off topic quickly because you always have your your
hand on the pulse of new shows that are to
be watched. So what are you watching right now? What
has your attention right now?

Speaker 6 (14:21):
Absolutely nothing this time of year. I hate to disappoint,
but but during football season, I'm I'm an avid reader.
Guys like I will read, read, read, and for me,
this time of year is almost torture because all I'm
reading are game notes, media guys, news clips from around

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the country. Right, you know, my coaches notes that I
take her meetings, all that sort of stuff. I'm not reading.
Harlan Covid and Lisa scott Alini and Francesca Sarrattella and
all the people that I love to read, because this
time of year I can. I've got a stack of
books already next to the bed and I'm looking at
them going my last game is early January.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Go.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
So I apologize guys, because you guys know you're exactly right.
I love to watch something good, something new, and right
now it's just not the.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Time, Charles.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Do we get ready for this one? Brown's obviously you know,
we know our struggles. Ravens are surging. What are the
big storylines to you kind of in this game?

Speaker 6 (15:31):
I think for me in this game is it starts
with the Ravens because they're doing which said, they're surging,
and let's be honest about it, guys, a one in
five start is not any time that any of us
who claim to know ball would go on radio, TV,
all the platforms that we have, right and say, you know,

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this one in five team, they're still dangerous, Yeah, because
we're likely to be ushered off air and contract taken
and never again. Right. But that Ravens team allowed us
to do that because they were one in five, not
because they were playing so poorly. They were, but as
much more. You got number all stars hurt. I mean

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you look at that injury list and you're talking about
seven Pro Bowl or All Pro type players not playing
in games, including a two time league MVP who was
missing games after a hamstring. Yeah, they hit a rut
where it wasn't all injuries.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
Look, they didn't play well. I think it all really
came to a head up at Kansas City when they
went in there and guys were dropping like flies and
Kansas City was taking it to them. The man was
a double double whammy on them. But now they're gotten right,
haven't they And it should only keep getting better from
their perspective. Now, the tough part is if you're doing

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nothing but chasing all year long, it takes more out
of you than what people think. But let's be frank,
it's Pittsburgh not making it easier on them and taking
a lot of the lift off of them, because by right,
they should still be three games down and you're looking
at a bigger mountain to climb. They have a chance
at the end of this weekend to be even with Pittsburgh.

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That's a whole different that's a whole different mindset with
a lot of season left, So that's the biggest storyline
for me. When I flipped over to Cleveland. My storyline
is on youth and how youth is being served. And
there's some really good youth on this team. I don't
think we're at the stage of the old school coaches
where you know, hey, what's the best thing about your

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freshman coach is that he's going to be that he's
going to be a sophomore. Remember that one. That's not
what we're talking about. You have a lot of youngsters
who are playing in key roles and probably will be
giving bigger roles as time goes on. I like the maturity,
I like the way they're going about it. I'm still
trying to figure out what it is about the franchise

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that Kevin Stefanski has to go in and say, well,
we're the first team, you know, this year to hold
people on one hundred and seventy yards to lose both games,
and we're the first in two hundred and twenty five
games that you know, we didn't turn it over, we
held them under one hundred and seventy yards and somehow
we got beat. I mean, it just doesn't make any
sense after a while. You have to fight that with

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your players, like we've got to be cursed or something.
And that's a mindset that I know Coach Kafan's game,
the team of working on.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Charles. When you talk about the rookies, and there are
a lot of them, and we can we'll get into
Carson and Quinn Shawn and Harold Fannon, but we got
I think start with the quarterback. What have you seen
from Dylan Gabriel? What have you seen in the NFL
relative to what you thought of him? I know you're
one of the better evaluators out there, especially at that
position when he was coming out of Oregon.

Speaker 6 (18:44):
I think I've seen everything that I saw at UCF,
at Oklahoma and at Oregon. In six goes a sixty
three college starts. You see flashes of all that every weekend.
A ain. You know, you guys know him right. So
for those who have never had a chance to meet
Dylan Gabriel, the idea that he is a what twenty
three twenty four year old kid? Is that what he

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is someone in that neighborhood because of the years in
college from twenty two to twenty four. You sit down
and talk to him and you walk away and you
question your own maturity.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
You're like, he's an impressive kid.

Speaker 6 (19:19):
Yeah, right, he's a really impressive kid. And he doesn't
come across in a way where you go, oh, he's
one of those kids you know who has the maturity.
And he's speaking strict sound bites, and you know, he
has the best phrase for everything. It feels very natural,
very honest, very real. But he's absorbed lessons along the
way that most of us don't really take in and

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adopt until maybe we're in our thirties or forties. He's
already seeing the world in a different lens and living
that way and applying it. Now, let's go to on
the field. The thing that I'm seeing with him is
there's a reason the ball is going to the tight
ends a lot. Number One, you've got two really good
pass catching tight ends. Number two, your wide receivers haven't

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been consistently in the lineup that you developed a rapport.
But I do think that that has got to start
changing a little bit for him to have more success.
He's got to find more plays with Judy Cedric Tillman's
got to give him plays out wide. They've got to
develop some people out on the perimeter, because everything right now,
remember how we used to talk about football being played

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at phone booth when everybody just ran it, you know,
and the walls played between the hashes. That's where his
eyesight is right now, that's where the confidence is, that's
the easier throws for him. That's where the game's being
played for him right now, and understandably, so it's not
a criticism, it's just an observation. But until that scope
gets advanced and widens, the offense has trouble now because

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if everything's right in there until someone hurts you out wide,
why are you going to spend much time on it.
You're not as a defense, you're going to march or
your forces. And you're playing a team this week where
if you want to play down the middle, you've got
a rookie safety and experienced safety who played really well
in the back end, and a and a safety who

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is really all world whether he plays back ends, front end,
or mid level. So if you're going to play in
the middle of the field this week, you everybody better
be ready to understand what you're dealing with. You're not
dealing with this, You're not dealing with me down there,
and now I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
All right, you're not dealing.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
With me back there where you can make play after play.
You're dealing with some legit dudes. And when you go
to the next level, the underneath level, and Agent zero
is involved. Yeah, okay, who plays who plays the past?
Pretty darn well. I still remember a Miami Baltimore game
a couple of years ago from Baltimore. Still, I mean,
Miami still had to shine on them, and they were

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playing late in the season. Our crew lucky to have it,
and it was a game for positioning. Miami can improve
their seeding, right, they were going to the playoffs. Baltimore
was playing for the number one overall seeds. Is New Yar,
Kansas City beat Baltimore to go to the Super Bowl.
All right, that game was like a track meet early.
Remember how Miami used to start and just boom boom,

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boom boom. Right, you had to just to the speed
and the Miami they're just racing up and down the field.
I think it was somewhere in the neighborhood of a
fourteen fourteen, seventeen fourteen game. Whatever, Right, And Miami throws
one into the middle of the field and Roklan Smith
hit the person catching the ball. He hit him so
hard that that kid's family was like, oh, I felt that,

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And the whole game changed. And by the time it
was over, Baltimore was in the fifties and Miami was
still in the teams. And that was all she wrote.
All I'm saying is that's what you deal with with Baltimore,
and you have to be careful of that. I can't
wait to see Dylan gabriel scope widen now, but he
has got people give him a reason for it to

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widen out.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Charles, he's if you think back to the way that
this and we do this every day, but the way
that this thing was kind of put together was, and
initially it was going to be with Kenny Pickett, was
take care of the ball, don't turn it over, play
great defense, be good in special teams. We haven't been
good in special teams. We've played great defense, but the
big part of it was don't turn it over. When
when you evaluate young Core, Dylan isn't turning the ball over,

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but he's also he's also there's a risk reward thing
there right where you have to be. Right now, it
feels like our entire offense is playing in the red
zone is kind of the way that it feels watching it.
So when you're looking for a young quarterback to take
that next step, what to be someone who who is
not just a game manager to the absolute highest power,

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but also a playmaker.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
What do you look for in them?

Speaker 6 (23:48):
Make it very simple for you. You're right, he's not
turning it over, but you're turning over on downs. You
having a punt yep for the next step is three five,
three five seven times in a game. Hit that throw
that turns into a first down on third and whatever,

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right on second and whatever. Hit a shot and start
the chains again. Stay on the field on offense and
give your chance, give yourself a chance to make some
of those bigger, more explosive plays. With Miami Buffalo last
week obviously a shocker, right, No, Miami did really well
in that game that they ran the ball so effectively
and created plays on second and third down that by

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the end of the game, bigger plays occurred. Right. You
stick with it. You're out on the field longer, the
defense has to play more plays. You wear them down
a little bit, and by the end of the game,
a cham was running wild, you see, And that's what
you're trying to get to if you're Cleveland, because you
want to run the ball. That's who Cleveland is. That's
the DNA. But if you can stay on the field
more on third down and make those that opposing defense

(24:54):
play more plays, you might break some of those Judkins
might break a five yard run into some the bigger
later on. Right, if Dylan Sampson gets an opportunity, it
might break a little bit. Maybe that short passage Jerry
Judy across the middle of now break you see where
I'm going with it. But for Dylan Gabriel, so I
love is a kid got to hit some of those throws.

(25:15):
Can't be always going to the bench and punting it
away and keep putting the pressure on a terrific defense.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Charles when you talk about this Ravens defense and you
kind of highlighted what they're doing in the middle of
the field, and really over the last three weeks they
have been a much better defense than they were through
the first six games. Now, part of that could be schedule,
but at the same point they're playing. It's kind of
like last year there were a bad defense the first
half and then they became really good over the second half.
It feels like the trade for a lowie Gilman has

(25:45):
unlocked something for them. What has he done that has
made them better?

Speaker 6 (25:52):
He has allowed Malachi Starks to keep growing without as
much responsibility on the back end, and now Stark is
playing with way more confidence. Have you watched in the
last couple of ball games. That's the kid they drafted
out of Georgia, right, And now now you can take
Kyle Hamilton. And isn't it weird because last year when

(26:13):
they took off Kyle Hamilton was playing more in the
back end, yep and making plays that way. This year
they just flipped it. And now he is just a
pterodactyl coming at you from every angle possible. And guess
what you got to deal with him? He is really
really impactful. So that has changed. Here's the other part.
Their guys up front are playing much better on the defensive,

(26:35):
like Travis Jones right, Bran Urban right. Benabk has been
gone a long time. It took a little while, I
felt like to get their footing and and and and
and firm things up. But that's happened. And as we
already discussed, the injuries have healed, and when and when
Rokelin Smith is now back at full speed. Oh my, okay,

(26:56):
so that helps you in a big way. That's all
happening for them now. Wiggins has really developed at corner.
Two guys, Wiggins has really developed at corner and become
that corner they've been looking for for a while.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, Charles, we think they're going to win the division. Yeah,
we thought we were. Yeah, we were here at one
and five and I'm like, they're gonna win their last
ten eleven games, and they're gonna go ten and seven,
eleven and six, and they're gonna win the division.

Speaker 6 (27:22):
My caveat on all of that. Like, none of us
counted them out at one in five because we were
looking to see what Pittsburgh was going to do. Yeah,
and when Pittsburgh went to Cincinnati and did what they
normally do, which is drop a game they shouldn't drop early,
it's almost a lock. And they did it that Thursday
night er yep. The year before they did it with

(27:44):
you guys, but Jamis on the snowy night, Yep. They
shouldn't have lost that. That should have been their game
to win. They didn't do it. Give Cleveland credit. I've
never won to take away credit from people. I'm just
trying to be real Frank on this one, right, Yeah,
but that's what Pittsburgh does. Okay, then they get Green
Bay at home. Okay, you can kind of go well, okay, okay, Okay, Look,

(28:06):
if you're gonna be that team you want to be,
you win those games. They should have a three game
lead in the division right now, and if they did,
it could be a whole different outlook for them. Now.
I know you guys aren't living in Pittsburgh, but you
guys are aware of the league. You know what it's
like back there right now, Like we nationally look at

(28:28):
Mike Tomlin and it have nothing but admiration for him
in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yep, they're done.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
You guys know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yet, of town guys a losing season.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
And it's not really fair quote unquote. Part of the
not having a losing season has hurt the team in
terms of draft position. They've never been in a position
to go get one of those top quarterbacks to help
rebuild with. So there's all been patchworks. They drafted Picket
that didn't really work out. So you've played, they've played
with people, right, and each year this guy, Can he

(29:02):
get it for us? Can he do it for us?
And somehow they fashion together a season that gets them
to the playoffs, but then again to that first round
of playoffs and they're not just losing now, they're getting
blasted in the playoffs and that that that's just that's
just not the Pittsburgh way. But it's one of those
cycles where if you have pride, you don't play to lose,
you don't tank. But they're almost too good in that.

(29:24):
In a lot of ways, the job he's done is
really underrated. But because you're Pittsburgh and you're expected to
be there. You see where I'm going with this. They're fans.
If you want to if you want to start a real,
real conflagation, you really want to start a fight for yourself,
go to Pittsburgh and go. You know, I just really
admire coach Tom when the fact he's never had a

(29:45):
losing season. Just go and say that, and they fire
up and they go from zero to a thousand in
the anchor scale like you would not believe. So that's
just where we are. And I'm looking you guys, it'd
be a stunner Baltimore. I know you won't nor should you.
But we're at the stage now where I think we'd

(30:08):
all be surprised if Baltimore doesn't win the division. Yeah,
and I give Baltimore the credit if indeed that does happen,
But I also lay a lot of blame on Pittsburgh's
at Pittsburgh's peak. To me, it's they're own fault to
be in a position there in.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, and well listen, they fortunately we won't see them
for a little while now, Pitsburgh Steelers. But this Ravens team,
and why the reason we're all optimistic about it is
you know they're playing better. Devens talked about it. We
haven't even we did this whole thing without talking about
a guy who's leading the league in quarterback ratings, frown
fifteen touchdowns with only one interception, completing a career high
seventy percent of his passes. That's Lamar Jackson. How have

(30:46):
you seen kind of in his evolution? Because it's interesting
this year he is running fewest rushing attempts, fewest rushing
yards per game in his career. He's under pressure more
but scrambling less. I'm in your talks. Is this something
that is this by design? Are they just saying, let's wait,
he was just a little banged up. Let's wait to
unleash Lamar the runner more so. Or is this just

(31:06):
part of his evolution his efficiency as a passer makes
it not as necessary to run Nator.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
I think it's all the above, I really do. But
I think it is much more the evolution of him
as a quarterback. It's been years now since we should
have been talking about, you know, athlete quarterback passing all that.
We should be well passed all of that, and I
think we are at this stage. He is looking to
throw when he moves out of the pocket as much

(31:34):
as he's looking to run, and probably leaning more towards throwing. Sure,
there's an element of it. Hey, I'm coming off to
hand me. I don't need to be doing all this
blah blah blah. Yes, let's save it for the playoffs
when I can really sting so much. Sure, but you
also see it and just how he's throwing the football. Yep,
I mean I'm seeing big time throws. I'm not seeing
he's throwing off a play action. The guy's wide open

(31:55):
and he shouldn't miss that throw. There's a big element
of that because of the way they run it. He
is making big time throws okay, and he didn't even
have his best game left against Minnesota. And the defense
played to a level last week that they can feel
good about themselves. Now. I spent a lot of time
talking about Baltimore and praising them to the sky. This

(32:16):
is also the same team that in your first game,
Derrick Henry couldn't get activated. Lamar Jackson didn't hurt you
with his legs, Nope, minus some other plays in that
ball game. And of course that sounds ridiculous because the
plays had to happen. But the defense played fine. They
didn't play they played more than fine. The game got
away because of some other things in that game. Ye,

(32:40):
this is a Cleveland Browns team that is not Look,
I know the record is what it is, but anyone
who plays Cleveland has a full understanding that they are
good enough to win more games than what's on their schedule.
We've already been through the kind of curse part yet,
be kidna me. You guys dragged Cincinnati up on the field,

(33:01):
all right, Kyia. Heck you lose that one. Your rookie
kicker misses two right things, go go Haywire. The Jets game.
Come on, that's a time capsule game, all right, some professor.
One day. You gotta believe this kids, this team won
this game. And let me throw some stats at you.
What press is getting fired not getting tenured? No, that

(33:24):
didn't happen, prop No, seriously, it did check it out,
all right, So stuff like that. But if this game's
played on kind of even terms, unless say, Dylan Gabriel
has Cincinnati at fifty percent or better on third downs,
we got ourselves. The heck of the game comes.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
One day, yeah, which is what we all want. And listen.
One of the things that always guarantees that the Browns
defense is going to be in the mixes Miles Garrett,
and you think about everything that's going on around him.
He signs the big deal to stay here. This season
certainly hasn't gone the way that he would have wanted,
and he's tied for the league with eleven sacks. He's
leading the league in tackles for loss. I think he's

(34:03):
got seventeen of them now through nine games. Last year
he led the league with twenty two for the whole season,
and he's got seventeen. I don't know if we're out
of superlatives, But what are you seeing from Miles Garrett
who looks like he is on his way to being
a two time defensive Player of the Year.

Speaker 6 (34:18):
Yeah, we're out of superlatives, but since we have come
to praise him, let's let me leave it at this.
He's ascended to that apex level of play. It means
he is a professional through and through. You guys know
this frustration level with the record, and who wouldn't remember

(34:39):
he was talking about getting out of Cleveland and like
the plan that they presented to him, and it hasn't
taken full effect yet. But when I hear him talk
and I see different things. Yes, he's frustrated to lose it.
But to me, he's kind of gone out of his
way to point out some of the good things he's seeing.
He's seeing guys prepare the right way. He's seeing youngsters
come along and and play the game and take the

(35:01):
game seriously way it's supposed to be taken. He sees
people giving effort. He doesn't kill a teammate that jumps
off side in a critical situation. In fact, he's there
to have his back. I'm seeing a guy who's ascended
to that one hundred percent pro level, not to mention
just his playing level is just so off the charge.
The whole mix is there, and if he were a quarterback,

(35:24):
he'd be the guy the whole country and be saying, God,
he just needs one super Bowl. That guy deserves one.
And to me, that's kind of where Miles Garrett is.
And last thing I'll leave you with, Guys, all the
lamenting about this season, and rightly so, no one wants
that ptazy and you're having Since I came to CBS,
which was this is my sixth season to CBS, you've

(35:45):
been in the playoffs twice. People act like the Cleveland
like Cleveland is the dregs of everything, right, that's an
old story. There's a reason things are going on the
way they are this year. But with the talent level,
how people are being a key this is not the
Cleveland Browns where you walk out and guess what you're
going to win the game against them. It's not that

(36:08):
group that just caution anybody who deals with them, turn
on tape you'll find out. But they've been in the
playoffs twice since I came to CBS, Yeah, and both
times convincingly.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
So you're the best buddy, Yes, look forward you on
the call. Thanks for your time today, greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
Always great chatting with you guys. You take care of
yourself and thanks a lot for a fifty plus degree
day you guys.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
For you.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
You know, if the snow was here, I'd still be
in my hotel room with the temperature on belt. All right,
thanks buddy, take care of guys.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
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Speaker 7 (37:57):
Okay, obviously, great opportunity at our place division opponents. Second
time around seeing this team, and like we've talked about
all week, we have to go play our best football.
Have to do all those things in a game as
an offense, defense, special teams that give you a chance.
So I have worked very hard this week and put
in the work and then Sunday we get to go

(38:20):
do it in front of our fans. And that's the
exciting part for us. So with that, I'll take any questions.

Speaker 8 (38:25):
Benzel, did he just come down with this illness today?

Speaker 7 (38:28):
Yeah, that was today, so I don't really have an
update just yet, but that today as well. Yeah, just
felt something early in practice, so did not finish.

Speaker 9 (38:38):
Tyson, how have you seen him? Obviously, but Denzel can't play.
Tyson becomes the most experienced guy back there. Just how
how have you seen him kind of settle in over
the last few weeks.

Speaker 7 (38:50):
Since, I've been very, very impressed with Tyson both on
and off the field, just how he goes about his business,
how he works, how he fits in with his football
team off the field. Then on the field, I just
think he's played so physical, you know, plays the run game,
has made plays in the back end with the ball
in the air. So I've been very impressed with Tyson.

Speaker 10 (39:12):
Elite can't play Mike, I think only played the three
defensive snaps last game.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Wher you guys kind of up his.

Speaker 7 (39:17):
Workload, Yeah, he's He's certainly doing better and better every
single week, every day, so he's ready for a bigger
workload for sure.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
A lot of games.

Speaker 10 (39:27):
Issue where it's one score game late third quarter, really
fourth quarter, that unfortunately just kind of unravels for you
down the stretch. First Baltimore game that is a prime
example of that. What's the teaching the lesson there to
your team and just how do you get these games
across the finish line so they don't fall apart play?

Speaker 7 (39:45):
Yeah, I mean it's a sixty minute football game, so
you have to have the mentality that you have to
play your best both early and late. You're right in
the last game. We did not play well in any facet,
especially late. And that's a huge point of emphasis is
playing as a team and our offense and our defense

(40:06):
and our special teams feeding off of each other and
playing complimentary ball. It gives you a chance in those games.

Speaker 10 (40:13):
We're talking about coin shots in the patients that he's shown.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Is that something.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
You guys really identify for when he was coming out
in the draft And how have you seen h showing
up so far?

Speaker 7 (40:23):
Yeah, I think patients for a runner is so important,
but I think it's also a bit dependent on scheme.
There's certain schemes that are slower developing quote unquote, where
you have to let the blocking scheme develop. There's certain
schemes where you're really on the move and you have
a read in the zone game, if you will. So
I think it's the ability for runners to have the

(40:47):
patients when needed, have the burst when needed, you know,
burst through the hole and not to the whole type
of idea in a lot of the zone running game,
and then just being true to your read in some
of the other gap scheme runs.

Speaker 8 (41:01):
Tomy was talking about that fourth and one and yesterday
you told U see which you would run the ball.
But when you guys are going back through that stuff,
is it have harked a battle? Sometimes like maybe this
is a good call that didn't work. Orse we should
have called something different here.

Speaker 7 (41:14):
Yes, I mean it's the classic process over results. Sometimes
you have a call that maybe wasn't a very good
call and it works, you know, and then everybody say, hey,
great call. And you know sometimes a kid, a player
goes and make it, makes a great play. And trying
to separate what your process was was from the results.
So the defense is going to win reps on given plays.

(41:38):
It's just it's how it works. Now, you hope on
that on that rep that it turns into. You know,
sometimes it's first and tent and you were looking to
get this coverage. You didn't get that. Well, quarterback had
to get out of the pocket through and incompletion and
it's second and ten and that's not the ideal, that's
not what we wanted. But you got to tip your
cap and say, okay, defense made a good call there.
So there's so many times throughout that game, and throughout

(41:59):
every game, and throughout every play call that you're just
trying to think about the players and less so about
the plays and then also think about your process that
got you to that those plays and got you to
putting the game plan together.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
For you when you're not calling the plays. Is the
actual practice.

Speaker 7 (42:17):
Different No, I would not say practice is much different.
You know, I've over the years there's been practices where
I don't radio the plays into the quarterback, So that's
nothing different.

Speaker 10 (42:28):
Sean is good inside obviously, find those little seams and
just as maiving space.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
How unique is that for a young player to have
that kind of balance.

Speaker 7 (42:38):
Yeah, I'd say it's pretty unique. I think a lot
of runners tom over the years have certain schemes that
they really like and want to get back to. I
think of Adrian Peterson when I think about some of
the things at Adrian like give me, give me this again,
give me this again. And runners like to see the
same scheme and that helps them as the game goes on.
I think Q definitely has run schemes that he likes

(43:01):
a lot. But I don't think there's limitations in any
way to the type of scheme that you run with him.
So to your point, whether it's a inside zone or
a wide zone, or a gap scheme or a toss scheme.
I think he's has the ability to run all of those,
and as a young player, I think is open to
running all of those. But as he gets more reps

(43:22):
and we get more reps around him, you certainly find
the run schemes that he really wants to lean into.
And Tommy and the staff have done a nice job
already of identifying those. Okay, thanks guys.

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Speaker 4 (44:03):
Like to call the overs. I think I'm interested.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I think I'm very interested in it? Am I not?

Speaker 4 (44:08):
You did win? He but it was I didn't remember
the third.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
I know I won two of the three that we
had different did I didn't get the sweet?

Speaker 4 (44:14):
You did not get this sweet you had.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Uh you won the under on Dylan passing yards which
was one ninety five point five.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
You were correct and saying under Gibby went.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Over and I won.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
You won Judkins and Judy versus Hall and Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
He was just so projets. Well what a way to
look at it. Uh you were.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
You were a little bit projets too in the justin
fields total yards So that was two twenty five and
you went over and then Gibby went under.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Fifty, so that made it tough.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
What was I thinking?

Speaker 4 (44:45):
I don't know. Well, look, I mean he was coming
off because it was a blowout and yeah to throw
a lot.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yeah it was just pro Browns.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
Yeah, a little bit of that.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
So there you go. Uh so you went three and
to Gibbe went two and three. Okay, you only only
paid up yards or game rather, So you.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Are gibe it in half is what I would like
to say.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
That's a that's a glasses half well full way of
looking at it. You are now Gibbe is now twenty
six and nineteen on the season. Duc de Z is
twenty five and twenty on the season.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
I'll take it. I'll take it.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
I thought the damage was going to be far worse.
I could only get it was either gonna be a three.
I knew it was either I was going to gain
one or three.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Yeah, I am. I wonder.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
I like the odd number. I wonder if we should
add more to this, to the over unders, so that
there can be a wider discrepancy week to week. And
then maybe I'll enlist young Gabriel to maybe think the
over unders committee comes up with five, and then young
Gabriel has two wild cards.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Well I would look at it this way. You come
up with three, Well, no, I'll do the five. I've
always want you.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
But you have the two that are every week. No,
that's true.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
So you come up with three and the two that
every week. He comes up with two, and now it's
the best of seven. Now it's the best to seven
every week.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
I don't mind that. What do you think about that,
head honcho? I'm fine, okay, I'm good. I'm good. I
try not to make more work for everybody. Gabriel's gonna
have a way of asking questions.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
That's gonna be just delightful.

Speaker 11 (46:13):
It is gonna be a delight anything that Nathan thinks
can work into his favor.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Listen, I've won this every year. I don't need any change.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
This is.

Speaker 10 (46:20):
This is.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
You need to be up by like twelve. At this point,
you're up one. I've been up by more than twelve
and blown it.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
We're an agreement, dude.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
All right, uh so you uh, Zagura wins the week
and we head now to week.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
What are we at? Week ten?

Speaker 11 (46:40):
Week eleven, Week eleven? This is week eleven in the
National League. All right, here you go.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
You're overs and you're under Gabriel. Is young Gabriel coming
up with two on the fly. No, he doesn't need to.
We'll have we'll have week. Give him a week to
prep for it for next week.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
All right, Zagura, you go first. We're going passing completion
percentage for Dylan Gabriel. A passing completion percentage for Dylan Gabriel.
Your number to beat is sixty one and a half
percent completion percentage sixty one and a half.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Hold place. It's just some riveting radio.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
I have it in front of me. He's only been
over that number one. I was gonna say Ken he
was go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. I'm gonna go under.
Pff neat under for given what ex told me.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
He did have one hundred percent completion percentage into the
Ravens last time, three for three.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Can we add those three to the end?

Speaker 7 (47:48):
No?

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Can once this year.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
He's got tired of sitting here and doing a show
with a guy who is so down on this team.
I know it's not fun right now. I know it's
too at seven. This isn't where we want to be.
But I'll be danged if I have to sit here
and listen to give a be smirched. This organization and
a young quarterback who's playing his heart out.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
But last week, last week, I took the over on
his passing yard.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
So because you thought we were gonna be behind, then
you had you had Bryce Hall and Garrett Wilson, who
had a donut above you.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
On our quarterback last week. Because we weren't gonna have
to throw much. I think pen broke because we weren't
gonna have to throw much. Gibb. There's like some ink
going on here that I'm not well. Don't white sweat,
white hoodie not gonna be good. You already on your
sleeve there.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
It looks like you ran into a blue Jayalen Brown?

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Did he give me something? Got you? That'll be the
end of this, end of this.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
No, no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
First of all, know this can happened.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
I don't know, but it's almost like you. Well, there
were some here. Maybe you scratched a little scratch, a backscratch. Yeah, sad,
hate to see it here you need it? Do you
know I got felty? You have another Felty in here?
I think another? Where are you?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Are you over under the completion percentage of sixty one
and a half?

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Boy, I was so high on these pens too. Yeah,
this one's good.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Do you know what Theodore hurts?

Speaker 2 (49:20):
One time that I've ever had one go south, I'm
gonna have to rethink all of it. I thought I
found an improvement on the Felt ten mark felt pen market.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Maybe not?

Speaker 7 (49:27):
All right?

Speaker 4 (49:27):
What did you say? Over under? Do you know?

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Theodore Hertzel? If you will it, it is no dream over.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Next over thunder?

Speaker 4 (49:40):
All right, we're gonna go. This is a three way.
You get a three way here?

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Now?

Speaker 4 (49:44):
Yep, Chief Quinn Sean Judy over under Henry Zay Andrews
for what total yards? For what fumbles?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Well, I don't like to what are we talking total yards?
Give it total yards? Chief q Judy, Henry z Andrews,
total yards.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
I don't.

Speaker 11 (50:13):
I'm not completely sold on their defense. I'm going Browns
on that one. Over forgive it because we can stop
Derek Henry.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
We can. We did like and we we.

Speaker 11 (50:24):
Put the blueprint out. What's he done since we played him? Pffnight,
what what's he done?

Speaker 3 (50:30):
He's he's a couple of games, he's four straight of
over seventy seventy Well, one of those is well over
seventy were you I think we're gonna be so far
ahead in the fourth quarter, they're gonna have to air
it out, lots of garbage time for Andrews and z Flowers.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
We're gonna beat them down.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
We're gonna beat them down because Gabriel is gonna go
over and he was gonna be completing passes like people.
I'm gonna go with the Ravens here in chase mode.
Ravens chasing, chasing, chasing Amy. It's a great movie, great
great scenes in that ah so well written, punchy dialogue, very.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Very punchy dialogue, and affleck before the teeth implants, which
is a pretty wild thing to look back on. All right,
wall Rats over the pageous Mall Rats is better. Yes, yes,
much more fun as.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
A proprietor fashionable mail, he really was, all right, Uh,
I think those movies are extinct.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
By the way, I don't think anybody has seen any
of those in the last twenty years.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
I don't know why they're hilarious. Yeah, they're just I
don't think they get served on algorithms. I haven't seen
him on anything in forever. They should be now listening.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
They should.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Clerks, Mallrats, and Chasing Amy should all be and in
the road circulation along with the Austin Powers films.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I agree, all right, Doctor Thee this one for you,
Lamar total yards two fifty five point five h.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
That's an interesting one. We already know that he's going
to be in significant chase mode. We also know that
he's not really running as much two fifty five point
five you say, I do. The last time that he
would have accomplished that would have been against the Detroit Lions,
the Leos. The Leons didn't even accomplish it against us

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chase all you want, lamar.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
Under.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
It's a big he says, what you do, but I
love it. Give me I'm going under simply because of
the weather. Weather. A gust up to forty miles an hour,
that's great, that's fantastic.

Speaker 11 (52:37):
Yep, forty five degrees. Nothing says loving like a four
to twenty five kick.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
And I think, well, I think, hi, percentage, I need that.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
I've signed up.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
For sixty one and a half. It's not ninety like
or even seventy nine and a half.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
Sixty one We'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Committee. How many times I think.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
It's like sixty one degrees tomorrow in Columbus.

Speaker 11 (52:58):
For that way, no sixty three here tomorrow, okay, yeah,
and then tomorrow night it all goes to heck.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Yeah, all right, next over under sax and turnovers.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Give me the numbers three and a half, just under
a three unders a.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Three and a half. See your for this team is
see your balding dome.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
S dome looks great. It's a gorgeous dome. By the
way I shaved mine. I have no problem with it.
You're the one that.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
He's looking great. I think I've always had these nice
camera angle right now that glare off of the front. No, no,
you're you're seeing things the widow's peak.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Yeah, but I've always said so, always had I've always
had it, always that when I was a young man.
It was actually straight across a young man.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
I'm gonna go ahead and say over because I believe.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
By the way, speaking of believing, you can believe. You're
listening to eight fifty WK and R Cleveland, a good
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Speaker 4 (54:10):
That's amazing. What did you say over? Yeah? Okay, all right?

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Next over under.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
The actual doctor Z thirty eight and a half.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Over over.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Over all right, all right, there we go.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
So we have three differences again this week we'll see
how it all shakes out. And the next week we're
gonna throw caution to the wind and go with seven
over unders.

Speaker 11 (54:41):
Call it the dust Daniels start at three fifteen. That
way question we always prepar two k second I of
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Stefanski Show with wide receiver Gage Larvaden.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
We're very happy now to be joined by Brown's rookie
wide receiver Gage Larva Dad.

Speaker 12 (55:40):
Three towns super Bowl sho, Yes, that's right, right, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
That's right, three three time, three times, three times, Super
Bowl Champ Durro Sherry there gauges he had a spent
some time with the New England Patriots, who you may
have heard of, and of course we played against them. Gage.
I just want to ask you, you know, we taught
to you a lot obviously in the preseason and every
kind of everything you've gone through. When you finally got
into that game and made your first NFL catch, is

(56:06):
that something do you have that ball? Is that something
that you kind of like treasure? Because that's all right
now I have I have played in the NFL, I
have a stat in the NFL. I am an NFL
wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 12 (56:16):
It was a real moment. God's been good to me
my entire life. And I didn't keep the ball off.
Hopefully I for a touchdown. Touchdown, We'll get one of those,
to keep one of those for sure.

Speaker 13 (56:25):
Well, Gage, one of the things that impressed me in
training camp was just simply put your attitude your effort,
and I feel that you're bringing that in the regular
season as well.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
And taking you back to.

Speaker 13 (56:34):
That kickoff covers play in which you got the return
we did the on side kick and just your thought
process as you recover that kick where.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
You think it's sending yourself.

Speaker 12 (56:43):
At the time, I was saying, if I get this ball,
we get to stay on offense.

Speaker 5 (56:48):
I play offense, So I get to play offense.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Did you have an idea that it was going to be?
I mean, that's a it's a low percentage play. But
was there something in the look or was there something
about it that you guys had an idea that had chance?

Speaker 12 (57:00):
Yeah, I mean anytime you go out there, you feel
like you have a chance over the opponent. I did
the easy part, honestly, dra The ball hit right where
we're supposed to and it went right over there's a guy,
and I did the easy part, just caught.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
It getting involved. Now, obviously, is we get into this
regular season. You have this great preseason, right what have
you noticed, if anything is is different when now it's
you know, we're these are the regular season games. You're
gonna get a handful of snaps. You're gonna have your
kind of package of plays that you're gonna get in
there and what you've seen defenses doing to us. Because
preseason can be pretty vanilla right there, it's gonna be

(57:33):
pretty straightforward, and now there's a lot of game planning
and scheming going on.

Speaker 12 (57:38):
Yeah, I think for me personally, and it may vary
from from person to person, but I think me personally
the like the regular season, like, preparing for each game
is a little easier because for all camp and an
offseason program is the entire playbook. And so we're going
through every install which is which is a more than
when you when you look at the specific team and
what they play, and then you make plays based off

(57:59):
what they do. So it goes from let's just say
one hundred plays to maybe thirty that you're gonna run
against that Stift team.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
So in my opinion, it's a little easier for game
week now.

Speaker 13 (58:08):
I didn't get the chance to travel to London when
I was in the league. I was blessed and fortunate
obviously to play in the Super Bowls and all that,
but just being a rookie man and have a chance
to go to London and experience that, what was that.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Like for you?

Speaker 4 (58:20):
Yeah? It was cool.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
And that was my first game too, so yep, you
can't forget that one. Eventually.

Speaker 12 (58:25):
I'll go to tell my kids I played my first
NFL game in London. That was my first time traveling
overseas too, so it was a lot of excitement for sure.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
You know, when you come to the Cleveland Browns, I'm
sure you're getting doctrinated in some of the rivalries. To
get your first catch in Pittsburgh against the Steelers, was
that something that you kind of you knew that that
was a little more special.

Speaker 12 (58:45):
Yeah, I mean it's still the rivalry thing is still
kind of growing on me at this point. I'm like,
I guess I kind of catch myself on the sideline like.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
Damn Sjaron Rodgers, you know what I mean.

Speaker 12 (58:56):
Yeah, I still like even when Joe fla, I'm like
Joe Flack, go dang, Jerry Judy. So sometimes I'm like,
hold off, I'm playing against these guys we're talking about. Yeah,
we think about that after here, So I'm kind of
still and that's a real moment of like, dang. You know,
I grew up watching a lot of these players that
were going against but yeah, the robbery thing is still
growing on me for sure.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
So Minnesota, your first game in London, so you were
not you did not play in the game against the
Ravens the first time. But this is probably a new
thing for you, right, going against the team twice in
one season. You're talking about the practice squad. What is
that like? What has that been like kind of this
week getting ready for a team that you know you
already played this season.

Speaker 12 (59:32):
Yeah, like any any person in sports, they say the
hardest thing to do is to be a person or
team twice.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
So you know, just just figuring.

Speaker 12 (59:41):
Out the matchups and figuring out what we did wrong
the first time, what things need improve on, things to
get better, and and doing it.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
That's the process.

Speaker 12 (59:47):
That's that's the part that we love, that that you
love as a competitor, the process of figuring out how
to how to do something.

Speaker 13 (59:54):
Now, Nathan gave some statistics that I was fortunate to
have to play on the Super Bowl winning team three times.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Three three three times, not just three.

Speaker 13 (01:00:00):
I also have some moments where I was on some
teams weren't having as much success. And obviously right now
we're going through it. But what are you doing up
man to keep yourself motivated, to keep yourself saying, you
know what, I'm gonna stay on this grind and I'm
gonna do what's necessary to help this team win some games.

Speaker 12 (01:00:14):
Yeah, so sometimes we kind of get complacent. And one
of my teammate, I won't say his name, one of
my one of our teammates, stood in front of stood
in front of us as a group, and he kind
of explained that, you know, if you're a starter in
this league, there's only thirty two of you. There's thirty
two of you in the whole world. This is the
highest level football. You know, this is highest level football.
They don't get no better than this. So there's only
thirty two of you. There's fifty three people on each team.

(01:00:36):
I don't know the man thirty two man teams, but
we'll be fools to take you for granted, you know
what I mean. So record or statistics or anything like that.
At the end of the day, we wake up and
we we play. We play professional football for a living,
you know what I mean. There's there's people, there's single moms,
people who struggling to you know what I mean, play football, man,

(01:00:57):
do what I mean. So anybody that's unmotivated, man, shame
with you, man, right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
How what was kind of the tone coming out of
a game where we should have come out of that
game against the Jets with the win. We did not
for a variety of reasons, but kind of you know
what was kind of the tone after that one? Because
I listen for you, I would imagine in your college career,
and and for a lot of guys on this team
that they're not used to this. Yeah, you know Dylan

(01:01:22):
Gabriel and said that he's lost more games this year
than he's lost in any season at any point in
his life. Yeah, how do you guys kind of deal
with that? And especially because this is a young team,
are leading passers a rookie are leading rushers, a rookie
are leading receivers. A rookie, you're part of our leading tacklers.
A rookie like this is you're part of a rookie
class here that is prominently involved. So a lot of

(01:01:43):
you guys, this is this is totally new for all
of you kind of at the same time.

Speaker 12 (01:01:47):
Yeah, and I think that's I think that's the beauty
of it. Right You got a group of guys who
aren't used to this, So that tells you something about
you know, the the upstairs and what they're doing. They're
bringing in guys who are used to winning in. You know,
at some point something has to change, and I think
we have, you know, like you mentioned that the young
guys who who won't accept you know what's happening right now,
and that's that's kind of the frustration.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
It lingers.

Speaker 12 (01:02:09):
But like like I mentioned earlier, the process is what
is what we love the process of, you know, turn
this thing around. And then that's the beauty of it
because everyone everyone knows rookies that you mentioned every and
even though older guys, we all want to be a
part of the turnaround.

Speaker 13 (01:02:23):
And I love the process because a lot of people
would ask me, Okay, what is the process. What's the
difference between from a study standpoint college and the pro game?
And I always tell them the difference is that you
do way more studying in the pro game than you
do from a college game. Sure, and I'm pretty sure
that's your experience as well.

Speaker 12 (01:02:41):
Yeah, for sure. Just being in a room with you know,
Jerry Judy. I've watched Jerry Judy in college watching the NFL.
So I'm in the room with him and other guys
in the room. You know, you they help you grow,
They help you learn how to study, because honestly, I
used to look at film and say and just watch
myself like a highlight tape.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
I used to load.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
It's like a highlight tape, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:03:01):
Talking to those guys, you know, you started to look
at stuff differently and you and you begin.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
To grow how much different As you mentioned, you kind
of watch it as a highlight tape, but now you're
looking at the angle of their feet, the angle of
their hips, and he kind of tells you can get
for what they want to do in their coverage. And
you know you have a guy in Chad O'shay as
your wide receiver coach who has a ton of experience
in this league where you guys, you guys cross path
in New England or no, no, we did not know,

(01:03:25):
but he was.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
He's been.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
He's won Super Bowls as well with the New England Patriots.
When what's kind of that level like for you when
you're getting kind of that level of coaching in detail,
because that at the end of the day, that's what
it is. Everybody at this level can play. It's the
people who execute their techniques and the people who are
more precise that you know are going to consistently are
going to have success.

Speaker 12 (01:03:44):
Yeah, you hit it on his head. Everyone everyone in
this league is the best of the best. Like you said,
it comes down to the details. And the best thing
that coach that CEO does is he'll pull up film
in it and you could tell it's so old because
it's not even like it's not even like super clear.
How his TV right now it's yeah, and I don't man,

(01:04:04):
those guys just killing killing people in routes and stuff
like that. So you know, his experience and what he
brings to the table is great, and it's it's always
easier when you can it's always easier for someone to
listen to to follow instruction from someone who's done exactly
what we all want to do, which is when the
Super Bowl he's done that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
You've done that.

Speaker 12 (01:04:22):
So you know, it's easy for me to sit here
and be interested and want to take your advice versus
someone who's never done And it's kind of like trying
to tell me you never did it, you know what
I mean? So yeah, yeah, And I know one of
the things that I appreciate about you, particularly I said earlier,
just your attitude and just how you go about your business.
I picked up on that in training Campsel And it's
just guys that you identify as like, Okay, he wants it,

(01:04:45):
and you're still displaying those traits and far as the
season goes, what excites you with seven games remaining, knowing
that you're living out your dream.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:04:54):
So one of the first things coach told us, rookie
Minnie camp Day, want he put on he put put
on the screen.

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
He said, write this down.

Speaker 12 (01:05:00):
So it's the first thing in my notebook, first notebook
I got from the Browns first NFL notebook, It says,
make the team earn a row. I've made the team
and I think these last seven games and you know
this whole process, but you know, leading them to these
last seven games, I'm still in that earn a row
aspect and so every every day I still like making
the team was obviously it was a blessing, but for

(01:05:21):
me personally, it's not enough for me, right And like
I said, I want to be a part of turn around.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
I want to be the solution to the problem.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Gage.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
It has been great having you out here and see, yeah,
one of the great stories, like every year kind of
going to the training camp and you're like, oh man,
that's the guy we're rooting for you and Gage, you
were able to make this football team and now go
out there and good luck continuing to earn that role.
And we got to get you that first touchdown. That'll
be right, awesome moment.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
All right?

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We turn it over to Duck to Zee. Let's go.
The scores are next.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Yeah, let's get to the scores. Listen, keyser.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Simple.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
One thing that we've been doing not turning the football
over only two times in the last five games. That's good.
Keep that going. Don't turn the football over now they
have seven takeaways in the last three games. Do the
Ravens defense so that's going to be certainly something that
you've got to do again. It's kind of pull the string.
Play back what I said last few weeks. We need
to be more explosive on offense. We've got to create

(01:07:28):
some running room for Quinn Shawn Judkins. We got to
take care of the football defensively. It's kind of do
what we've been doing. I've been excellent home only eleven
points per game. Stick with it here. This is going
to be a game that hopefully we get more offensively.
But you know, last time it was just a one
possession game at the half. They only had ten points
in the first half did the Ravens, seven of which
came on a short field after a block punt, Which
brings me to the third. Special teams has got to

(01:07:50):
be clean. Got to be clean. We cannot have any
of those special teams blunders. We need to bounce back bigly.
There needs to be a net positive and if so, listen,
we've beaten the Ravens three the last.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Four hope, yep, four to five. Let's go. Can't say
we wouldn't. Can't say we wouldn't. We've done it. I
know I've seen us do it. We'll do to scores.

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Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
To the scores, to the scores.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
I need one, need a week, need a week, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
We had a chance to make a lot of hay
coming off of that thirteen and two two weeks ago,
and it's we.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Are net net. We're still forty four games over five
hundred combined.

Speaker 6 (01:09:20):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Listen and you yes, you had the thirteen and two. Yeah,
you follow that up with seven and six, so we'll
call that twenty and eight, and then a couple of
six and eight ers. So I had twelve to twenty,
at thirty two, at sixteen to eight, you're at twenty four.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
You're so it's fine. Thirty two and twenty four, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
But like there were there, I thought maybe we were
going to have it going another one of those heaters,
and it came back the last.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Couple of weeks. We need to have a good week,
all right, So yeah, we're doing our I had nine
and five last night.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
We could six and eight.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
So we're we're we're doing just fine. We're doing just fine.
Forty four games over combined, we're in a good spot.
And actually I had to just say forty six because
took care of business.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Took care business last night.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
There you go, all right, this is the Jimmy Bang
Bang Edition.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
I'll pay attention to the scores.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Let's go by the way. Somebody no joke in we
were just in where New York guy in the front
row was like that you've paid for these guys college.
Oh with the scores with his kids, He's like, yeah,
you and both tell bo.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
So there you go. It's awesome. I was like, you
made my day, thank you so much. It's fantastic. Kes
to be very happy. That's awesome.

Speaker 11 (01:10:25):
I'm very pleased. Enjoy college. Yeah, it's great, really a
good time, so much fun.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
It's a blast.

Speaker 11 (01:10:32):
Before we get going, I do want to remind you
that today is opening day for The Running Man in theaters.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Today.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
It's gonna be I'm in a half time. I'm been
overwhelmed with people telling me how it is because I
if I'm gonna sit down for ninety minutes to watch
ny Man, you know I'm gonna do. I'm gonna sit
down and I'm gonna watch The Running Man. The The
Running Man, which is, in my opinion, one of the
great movies. It holds up today. You've got everybody who
plays one of the characters is incredible. You got Jim Brown,

(01:11:05):
you got Arnold, you got Jesse the body Ventura.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
So I guess Glenn Powell was Dawson.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Richard Dawson, Richard Doson, Come on, Dick Dawson's the little
Lady Who's He's unreal?

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Ben Richards so good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
I was listening to something Glen Glen Powell did all
the media for this because obviously they're hoping that this
is a big time hit and he's become this like
he's taken eighties and he did it with Twisters and
now he's doing with this. He did it with Top Gun.
So he was saying that he had to be approved
by Stephen King to do it, to be the guy.
So that gave me some reason for optimism. It's a

(01:11:43):
sixty three on Rotten Tomatoes, so that is not it.

Speaker 11 (01:11:48):
Why I think it's just going to be a movie
just compared to the original one.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
When's the last time he watched the real one?

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
I don't know, So then what are you doing pop
that in? Yeah, watch the Running Man. You haven't seen
it in dec Maybe I want to see.

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
The new one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
I watched it because I watched it as a kid.
I didn't watch it as much as you. I was
my more beloved Schwarzenegger's were Commando and Predator.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
But when when this we tend to check check Running Man?
Bring it to me. Maybe I'm giving it back to you.
Maybe I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
When we but I rewatched it a couple of years
ago and I hadn't seen it forever, and I'm like,
it's still great.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
So great.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Really is great. Yeah, it really holds up now altering footage. Yeah,
the Butcher of Bakersfield really good. Man. Needs to see
the original Running do that? I think.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
So I was doing this with NBC where I was
rewatching like action movies, like the first movie was die Hard,
than we did Commando, and then we did First Blood.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
So we did some of those and it's it's so
fun to watch it with like someone who hasn't seen it.
Oh yeah, and they're like, god, this is great, like
all that held up.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Have you watched The Running Man with him? I've not
sub zero, more like playing zero. Yeah, but it could
get a little dark for.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Well, he's thirteen now, so he walked. I was watching
I had the Football one on the secondary TV, and
then I was The Godfather. I was watching a scene
from the Godfather while they were in commercial, and it
was when Carlo had had enough of young Sweet Connie,
and that led to I did not want to watch

(01:13:20):
this from the Blonde. And then NBC was like, oh,
that's is that what they did? And I'm like, no,
it's not. But like you just came down. You were
on your phone for the last hour, like I'm here
living my life like let me live, you know, and
so yes, there is some of that that is a
little different from those from that era.

Speaker 11 (01:13:38):
Let's get down to it. Week eleven in the National
Football League. It's time for the scores, do it. We
take you to Madrid to kick things off Sunday morning,
nine thirty a m. When the schedule came out, boy,
this looked fun. Tyreek Hill, Jane Daniels. You'll get none
of it and you will not like it. The Commedies

(01:14:01):
have lost five in a row. They take on a
three and seven Dolphins team. Bo Bishop lead us off.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Yeah, I didn't think it would go like this, but
I did think that this would be a big step
back for Washington this season. Like sometimes things just come
too quickly for you, and it felt like it did
for them. I think, honestly, like it would almost be
just fine if they just stay in this spot and
lost season. Jaden back next year, get healthy, get some

(01:14:27):
high draft picks, and away you go, hide receiver, take
care of that.

Speaker 11 (01:14:30):
Yeah, I mean yeah, Like Terry mclaurland, no.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
No, So, I think I think Miami turned the corner
a little bit. Mikey McDaniel's driving around taunt and Bills fans.
I'm gonna take the Dolphins to win at the Estadio Benabao,
and I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
Have them win, and I'm going to have them win
twenty seven to twenty one. All right, Sunday, do you
I wonder do you think.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
That we'll get this game in Banya? Yeah, wonderful. I bet.
I'm gonna call for a work a commercial in this
broadcast that features Felice Navida.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
I think it's in play.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
I think it's in play. I think we're gonna go
ahead and yeah, we're gonna wet our beak a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Did you guys see they did Real Madrid ask their
players if they could name NFL logos identify the teams by.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Loza better or worse than what happened in Nashville.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
It was it was better than that, but not a
whole lot. Really, Yeah, and you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Just realized that, Like to them, they're like, I don't know,
They're like, we're Real Madrid, Like settle down, Sure, the
Green Bay Packers are nice.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Where's green Bay? Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, we're doing find
the Madrid. Yeah, we're doing all right, We're doing all right.

Speaker 11 (01:15:48):
To the Sunday one o'clock Slate and the NFC South
and the team we're relying on this week to shut
down the Carolina Panthers and NBC's dream, the gutless Atlanta Falcons,
losers of four in a row, three and six, Atlanta
playing host to Carolina Zagora.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Also coming back from being overseas.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
They were just in beer Lyn, and I know for us,
we came back and we just had you know, they're
at home. We basically kind of were at home. We
just had a bus drive to Pittsburgh and it was
not great for us.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
At least they got a home game out of it.
It was not great for us, but they were in Berlin. Yep.
Haff had thirty six beers, which is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Just thank god he's not playing in this game, which
is just an incredible performance today. How about the Hoff
making a stirry yesterday? He sent people into an absolute
friend I saw a frenzy. I'm getting text what's happening?
Is he going to work for the Ravens?

Speaker 6 (01:16:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
So I texted him, I'm like, haf what happened? He's like,
what do you mean? So he has some app that
sends from one post from one thing to the other thing,
and somehow it got messed up because they had to
take pictures of this whatever and Reese pressed the wrong
button send it out, So it had that like kind
of cliffhanger of after and we didn't know what that meant.

(01:17:05):
And it was I think it's gonna turn out to
be a Hall of Fame Beef Cleveland specific gift box.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Nice nice, which is what's but it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Very much sounded like I love Cleveland, I love I'm
always a Cleveland or even though I'm leaving now to
go work somewhere else, is what sounded last night.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
It was like during the Coaches Show, we were like,
what what.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Is going on? Yes, I talked to him, so I said,
by the way, the new CMO of hof Beef is
young Reese, because she had more buzz than just the
straightforward post would have.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
Generation she did. Yeah, she created a talking a little
bit of a moment.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
The lebron like Hennessy thing you go that was more
poorly received than much much more poorly.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
Yes, the point that I'm making is the same one
that I'm going to make.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
I think Atlanta thirty six, Carolina thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
I just don't know how anyone who plays football professionally
is ever going to beat Carolina again. I think they're
the best team in the league. I think the average
score from here on out is gonna be like ninety
seven to two. And I think that's what I'm going
with here, Carolina ninety seven. Atlanta too.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
Worked last week, Gibbe, I can't get in your way.
Worked last week. I'm just trying to limit the damage.
I know worked last week. Let's go.

Speaker 11 (01:18:22):
Uh, this is a big one in the one o'clock window.
We'll be watching this as we get ready for our game.
Tampa Bay is four and one on the road, six
and three overall. They are at six and three Buffalo,
no Bucky Irving again, No Godwin out again now, Dalton
Kincaid out for the Bills. Bills hosters Ampa Bay.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Bo Bishop, all right, we need a ruling. We need
a ruling.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
We have a discrepancy. What do you feel this? How
I feel this? So we would want the one on this?

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Well, I yeah, just because the fact that it even
started here, and yeah they are yes, yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
Yepkay, all right, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
I think that Bacon the Bucks are going to be fine.
I think they're gonna make the postseason. I think they're
gonna win the.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Division by default.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
But with all of those things, but I think Buffalo
big bounce back after the beatdown last week. I like
the Bills at home. Comfortable, comfortable, comfortable. Thirty one twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
This is a big number for a Bills team that
just lost to the Miami Dolphins. That's right, this is
a big number.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
By the way, robust I was watching as I do in.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
The mornings with young lucas we get him ready, watching
a little Good Morning Football this morning. Yeah, And there
was an analyst on the program today who basically said,
you know, we're just waiting for Josh Allen to be
like Josh Allen again, that he's not playing with confidence

(01:19:58):
and he's not being pretty active this And I'm like,
hold on a second, wait a second, So let me
go to the.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
Let me go look what am I missing?

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Let me go to the old computer here. So Josh
Allen is completing a career high seventy point three percent
of his passes twenty one hundred and thirty nine yards,
fifteen touchdowns, five picks. He has a career high eight
point one yards per attempt. That he's averaging. His quarterback

(01:20:27):
rating this year is one oh five point seven. That's
also a career high for him. He's led two game
winning drives, has a fourth quarter comeback. They're six and three.
By the way, Oh did I mention this? Maybe I
haven't yet. He also was run for three hundred and
eleven yards and seven touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
Already, Yeah, he's fine. So I was like, what is
this about?

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Does it even matter if what you say is that
I need to see Josh Allen be you know, Josh
Allen again, that's what everybody's been waiting for in Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
I'm like, what do you know? He's fine?

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
No, I think their defense has been a bit of
a problem, but I think Josh Allen's been just fine. Nonetheless,
I had to share that long Way bill.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
It's this.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
This is one where they're saying, Hey, America, the water's.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
Warm in Tampa Bay.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
We're going to what a gas bar gas Marilla, gas Barrilla.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
It's get on the boats here.

Speaker 11 (01:21:22):
I'm about to score, buddy. We gotta get like eight
more games.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
I already said, same. Give I didn't hear that well,
I mean maybe if you heard better. Sorry, gives I
didn't either. Thank you now, Kevin, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
keV g Man heard it watching keV.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
Who side are you on?

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
I got a lot going on?

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
Back you over here? All right? Okay, Well just felt
like you're choosing a side there. No, I'm just saying
like I can only I only saw the time. I
didn't hear what you said. So I'm sorry.

Speaker 11 (01:21:57):
Well we move on, hey, ce South, we go back
the Texans, No CJ. Stroud on the road visiting nash
Tucky and the Tennessee Titans. Titans not wearing the oiler uniforms.
By the way, they are.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
One in eight. You can't use them.

Speaker 11 (01:22:13):
No, yeah, exactly, Titans hosting the Texans. Nathaniel.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
I'm this line is a little surprising to me.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
I thought it would be perhaps more robust than I
believe it probably was when we did guess the lines.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
Mmm, I don't think now it's been here.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
I definitely then I got this one wrong for sure,
would be my thought process on that. I feel good
about Texans Woody Marks, Davis Mills. It's a big win
to come from behind win. They're Philly going.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
They got a great defense.

Speaker 7 (01:22:43):
I find it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
I think they could win this one six zero and
it would still be fine for our purposes.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
You have Texans six, Titans zero. Same.

Speaker 11 (01:22:52):
We move on to the NFC North, a big one
here as the Bears, winners of two in a row,
six and three on the year, tied for first. Now
with the Leons head to School Country to take on
the four and five Minnesota Vikings. I feel like this
is a pretty important game here for the Vikings, Yeah,

(01:23:13):
who are two and oh in their division. The Bears
oh to two in the NFC North bo Bishop, Yeah,
and one of those losses to oh and two was
the opener they lost to Minnesota in Chicago, when McCarthy
wins and has a decent second half but not a
great first half.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
He's a quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Yeah, like a quarter, you're right, like the fourth quarter,
and that was kind of it. I just think there
are major red flakes for him right now. I'm not
suggesting that it's not going to be fine down the road,
but the lack of connection with those two wide receivers
is pretty stunning to me, and I think it comes
back to bite them on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:23:44):
I like the Bears outright in this one. Twenty seven
twenty one.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Help me understand why the Vikings are the favorites home.
What about them inspires any confidence in you right now?
At all? Nothing? Yeah, So therefore I just think this
one feels way too easy. I feel like this they
are setting a bear trap.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Oh baby, that's a big trap. It's like we're back
at MVD.

Speaker 5 (01:24:18):
Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Oh God, Vikings, big.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
School snow is fallen. Vikings pull this one out. Twenty
seven twenty four JJ turns into nine. Silence is the critics.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
We move on another NFC tilt in the one o'clock slate.
It is the Mike.

Speaker 11 (01:24:46):
Kafka era beginning for the g Men in New York.
Jamis Winston gets the start Giants hosting the Green Bay Packers,
who have lost two in a row. They lost to
the Eagles on Monday night the week before losing to Carolina.
I'm not sure which Packer team will show up, but
Packers in Jersey to take on the g Men.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Nathan Zeger.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Score the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Yep, Packers thirty, Giants seventeen. Oh I thought you were
going the other way there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
James Windsor's got the ball latebit locked up.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
It's all locked up.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
He's already thrown his pick siskets.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
He's gonna be delivered from him, but all he's gonna
do is go.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Giants thirty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Samesey's yep, screams it screams it it does yep.

Speaker 11 (01:25:50):
Another one we will be watching in the one o'clock
window on Sunday from Huntington Bank Field the Bengals, Joe
Flacco led for now the Bengals on the road in
Pitts Puke. By the way, what's that field gonna look
like after pitt and Notre Dame tomorrow game days? There

(01:26:11):
there's a lot going on. Yeah, that's Kukers hosting the Bengals.
Trey Hendrickson is out. I don't know if he ever
wants to play again for this that team. I wouldn't
blame him, U Bo Bishop.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
I just don't know that Pittsburgh is five plus over anybody,
and I know the Bengals can't stop anybody, but the
Steelers really struggle. I think the steel this is a
Muss must win for Cincinnati, Muss must win. I don't
know if they'll do it, but I think it's gonna
be really tight. I like the Steelers winning a gross

(01:26:43):
game six to five.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Gives me no joy to say that this game is
going to be decided on a field goal by Chris Boswell. Now,
Andrew Ciciliano's gonna be very excited about this.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
He loves renegade.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Jimmy is going to be excited about this. Pittsburgh peepod
they call him loves Cho, King of Pittsburgh sucks.

Speaker 4 (01:27:02):
Down at Primanny's.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Oh, he loves it, says, Oh the fries and the
fries fries on a sandwalk.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
Oh, the slide gives a nice little crunch freshness aoli
probably ooh more.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Their vinegar based slaw. There. Steelers win it gross twenty
seven twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
Four, by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
So they could win it twenty seven twenty one. Oh fine,
sure we'll take that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
We'll take it.

Speaker 11 (01:27:32):
I guess we'll take you final one and the one
o'clock window. And I got a feeling we're just gonna
take this fifty three keV FYI you got it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
Actually, I was just submitting a mistake. I'm sorry, guys,
you're good.

Speaker 11 (01:27:44):
The Los Angeole's Chargers have won three in a row.
There's seven and three Chargers on the road in the
armpit of America to take on the five and four
Jacksonville Jaguars, Nathan's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Sunny down there today, Chargers Huge.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
By the way, did you guys know that Justin Herbert
has a brother who plays tight end for the Chargers
and looks exactly like him and like him?

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
And how did I not know this until? Why was that? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Not told him he's at Oregon? How did we miss it?
I don't understand. No, it's crazy. It's crazy, Sames, which
helps us free fall for Jacksonville.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
Free Fall right now, free fall. All the weapons are going, now,
come on now, free fall, let's go, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
I feel like right there, I was. I sounded like
the guy I don't remember what movie I'm using it
where he goes that, he does that, he does that.
But it's the guy who was the dad in the
movie with Polly Shore where he ends up on the farm.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Oh my god, that character guy. He's also he's also
in The Distinguished Gentleman with Eddie Murphy. Yes, he's the
he's the Ways of Means Committee. Yes, yeah, that guy,
he does that, he does that. Yeah, picture, that's right,
he does That's great.

Speaker 11 (01:28:57):
To the four o'clock Slate and some good while we're
playing the rat Birds Seahawks at Rammage. Damante Adams with
the oblique expected to play Rams Seahawks seven to two
versus seven and two.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Bob Bishop, this is a great one. Oh yeah, this
is a great one. That's my other than us favorite
favorite game.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
Of the week. This on Monday nights.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Yeah, or see even Sunday by itself, although Sunday Night
is pretty good too.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
I think it's a classic.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
I do think the Rammets win it, but I think
it's by a field goal thirty one to eight.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
I couldn't agree anymore. Good. Here we go forty nine
Ers Cardinals.

Speaker 11 (01:29:44):
Brock party is back pedro not pedro go, no spamooning next.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
Niners, Monster, this is tould be a beating. Yep, it's
all un ramp in Arizona.

Speaker 11 (01:30:01):
Uh Isaiah Pacheco out for the Chiefs, Chiefs in Denver.
This is the cbs A game of the week, Bo Bishop.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
The Broncos do not beat the Chiefs when it matter.
Chiefs are up against it five and four, they get it,
and they get it just comfortable enough. Twenty I'm gonna
go twenty four to twenty, twenty four to twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Same but different.

Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
Oh no, the Chiefs do get it, but but not comfortable.
Comfortable Oh twenty four twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Oh Baby, massive difference between us on that one.

Speaker 11 (01:30:36):
Final one Sunday Night Foosball. Leon's Eagles from the City
of brother They love Nathan.

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
Quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Something's wrong with the Eagles the aj brown they keep winning,
but give me the Leons outright here, Samesey's I think
we have to do our game too, because this is
we do.

Speaker 7 (01:30:56):
Yeah, we gotta do it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Shock the world.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
Let's go. Is Ohio State cover this week?

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
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Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
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