LB Coach Jason Tarver Joins the Show - Cleveland Browns Daily - 11.13.25

On this Thursday edition of the program, Z sits down with Browns LB coach Jason Tarver for an exclusive interview (37:40) on the early success of Carson Schwesinger and more. You'll also hear from OC Tommy Rees (18:20) and DC Jim Schwartz (54:46) as you get both sides of the matchups with the Baltimore Ravens. Plus, get this week's Fantasy Minute (1:09:55) and this week's Mailbag (1:17:10)!

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Iusur live on a matchup Thursday. This should Cleveland Browns Daily.
I am merely Bo. That's the great ze. It's a
nice looking hello. Ha be something, wouldn't it. It would
be something to paratroop?

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Oh man?

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Why would I lay there?

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
So you know, just service.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
If this was in if we were doing this show
from the beaches of Maui, it would currently be what
nine in the morning, nine o'clock in the morning, We're
done by eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Oh baby, we're at the King's Club by one o'clock.
I don't know if we're gonna be a capello. I
don't know. You've seen there.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
They not, So I went King's Club. What they've let
it go? Well, so we I did not. I did
not have the big old card that we would start on.
Why you socioeconomic issues?

Speaker 6 (01:34):
So you know Maui very serious issues over there. I'm
just saying, I have a golf blogs have shared they
pulled the tournament from there because they haven't been they haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Been watering unfortunately. Yeah, so that is imagined. It means
they're dire situations.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
CAP is on the opposite side of the of the
island of of Wileya, and so what you have there
is you and that's where the great Dan fight lives.
He's in the Wilaya area.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Hey, Daddy, Dady, boy, there he is. He's right up there.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
And that's right by Lahina, which is where they had
those crazy fires. So it's it's right adjacent.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
To that as well.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
That's all in that same area. So we were Yeah,
and so I can I can see how they wouldn't
be would not.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Be a priority.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
Perhaps not probably not when you see it up. I
played there once, have you? Yeah, played there once. Yeah,
we were.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
A long time ago, lo those many years ago.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yeah, yeah, and another life it was indeed, Yeah, it
was great.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
I actually did on the there's the one part three
that kind of comes down where you like really can
look out to those Yeah, and basically and there was
like a whale that a little whale thing I realize
really appreciative of how easy that is to see them.
We did, like the catamaran thing turns out there quite
large and they're everywhere. Yeah, especially in March, they were everywhere.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:54):
When we've been in in ah Portarda, Oh yeah, see
him the humpbacks all time. And the cool thing is
we had the like the last time we did it,
and we went out there and we weren't even going.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
On a hump back watching.

Speaker 6 (03:07):
Yeah, this was just we were on the ship to
go to our like the party island for the day.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Nice, which is a great time.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
No one loses there, Nobody loses lots of winds, although
I almost lost once when I went on what was
billed as one.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
Of the tallest and fastest water slides in Mexico, and
when I made an impact with the water after coming
off of that thing, to say that it was unpleasant
would be an understatement.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Then it just also so happened to coincide with.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Microscopic jellyfish. Oh come on, So you couldn't see them,
Oh god, and they were like attacked you. So they're
like you can't see them, like tuly not. They it's
kind of like fifty to fifty if they'll wanna come
you know thingya basically, and I was just like, okay, yeah,

(04:00):
I can't see him, Like how bad this could be?

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Well, let me tell you so.

Speaker 6 (04:04):
Not only did I feel like I almost broke my
back coming off this water slide, which the next year
when we went to go there had been like a
good fifty feet lopped off of it to make it safe.
Like where I had started the year before. Now you
started like a good like fifty feet down the mountain.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
Give me the give me the flight plan of this
slide you're on.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
So they give you this like thin little raft sure
that you sit on, yeap, and it's like a mat.
Really it's a raft that's a little rubber mat, and
they're like you fold it like this, hold it. They
were like, don't sit up, don't like a done bunch
of don't do anythings. And it was basically just like
this straight down the mountain and then back up and then.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
Launch and you're launching into a pool into like a cove,
into a cove. Yeah, hence the jellyfish cove microscopic jellyfish
natural Pacific Ocean.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yes, the Bay of Bandraras. Jeez.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
Anyway, so I go in there. Yes, of course, so
this would be like if Predator was filming. If this
is the bay is this big kind of crescent moon, right,
and the town's over here, says over here, like Predator
would be here. This island's here. So I get it
in and I'm like hurting from the crash, and then

(05:20):
I go and they weren't even gonna let me go,
Like they're telling me I was too.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Old, and I'm like, listen, buddy, come on kidding.

Speaker 6 (05:25):
I'm fine, I'll be all right. So they're like asking, uh,
miss kay. They're like, so he's he's really not forty
yad ice, It's fine, So we're fine. So I guess
forty was a cup, which I found incredibly crazy, an
incredibly insulting cut off, aging nothing but number. So I
get swim over and I'm like, all right, I don't
really I've maybe I'm one of the lucky fifty.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
I get out of the water and take like two
steps and all of a sudden, the entirety of my
body is on fire.

Speaker 7 (05:59):
Oh god, dude.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
So I was sung by a bazillion of them, but
really what? So then like they see it and they
can tell, and then they just run and they just
start dumping like pictures of like room temperature water on you.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
And then it was fine, like I just needed to
like brush it all over.

Speaker 7 (06:16):
Oh my god.

Speaker 6 (06:18):
But for a second I was like, my terrifying off rif.
I do love a water slide, love a water This one.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
That's more of a launching mechanism though it seems than
even so much of water.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
And in retrospect, like when you really go over water,
so you're going that fast and you're really feeling the seams,
you're like, what was.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
This made that?

Speaker 6 (06:37):
Well?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Was this really putting together?

Speaker 8 (06:39):
This?

Speaker 3 (06:39):
This what I want to be doing?

Speaker 6 (06:42):
They just say that was a one in one in Dunskin.
I did the zip lines and I did all the
other things they had that were very fun.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
But oh my gosh, that's it is that it Yeah,
where did you pull that from?

Speaker 4 (06:53):
What?

Speaker 3 (06:54):
What a job did you find that?

Speaker 5 (06:56):
If you're on the YouTube stream right now, you can
see it so that that look at that, dude.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
It is that's like that is what you can see here.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
So it goes down and then up and then that's
the launch point.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
No saying what you get like this starts a couple
hundred feet above what you can see.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
What you can see in that mountain.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Dude, that looks like somebody put that together in a weekend.
Well it felt that way, and you're like, yeah, I'm
in yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
And then there's the zip line, so this would be
the zipline that you could also take down in the
same little cove and whatnot made dude, But I'm telling you,
it's like it's through the roof.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
It's through the roof up there where you actually started.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
And then they had to cut it off because I
think I think somebody got like my guess is somebody
got hurt.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Probably finite I think would be in play.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
You could bring. I felt like from the way.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Let's just say this right now, the sidewalls on this
aren't so high. You could easily come out of that thing. Sure,
and there's nothing but stone everywhere. Brother, No, that's right,
that's it. That is legitimate. Great find. What did you search?

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Vayarta Adventures, which is a great what was the search?

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Man?

Speaker 3 (07:59):
The AI is getting it? That was good, g man,
that's a day of bonderis water slide. Yeah, there you go,
nailed it perfect.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
This is what this is what the AI can do
look up quickly? That one very quickly, very what an
incredible mechanism for storytelling. Yeah, just have like a g
man around and so anytime you're in a story and
you're trying to describe something, within six seconds, you can
have it there.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, I like that. That's a pretty good job. There
are plenty of stories I'd love to have accompanied by
a Greade visual others I would not practice. There is practice?
Uh is uh? Where where are we at? Are we?

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Are we right?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Do we wrap up? I can't say that it wasn't
Is that accurate?

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Or we're done? We're done, We're done.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
Alex Right the only player not participating with the quad injury.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
Yeah, I think we're other than Alex Right, who I
would be. I do not expect to pull be able
to pull a Carson Swestinger. I think he'll he will
miss it will be in a big opportunity for Isam maguire.
I think that we were healthy other than that beautiful Ravens.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
To the surprise of no Ona Lamar Jackson was on
the field for practice today. Did not practice today in Baltimore,
Justice Hill, Rashad Bateman, Jay Higgins, and Marlon Humphrey. So
they're ruled out Higgins and Humphreys. What humph Humphrey's ruled out?

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yeah, Harbaugh. I'll play the audio later. He they put
pins in his finger or something. He's had a pick
week correct, but he's he was dealing with an issue
and deciding whether or not to have surgery or right.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
But he was on the injuryport with that finger a
week ago, played and had a pick, and now they're
saying he's out. So that's a big deal. And the
reason it's a big deal is if they go to Jadobe,
O Woozy A will start opposite Nate Wiggins and he's
a he's a darn good player. But when they go
to Nickel, they're gonna have to go with TJ. Say
it for me, g Man Tji who's giving up one

(10:01):
hundred and forty rating in coverage, or their rookie who
was an undrafted free agent Kean Martin. Uh. They probably
will also do a lot of three safety where they
play a lowe Gilman, Malachi Starks and Kyle Hamilton. So
my guess is they're going to try to minimize just
how much, but they play it, they live. They play
a good bit of dime, so they're going to have
to get you know, Marlin Humpy played forty five snaps

(10:21):
last week and cherobi Ouzy played thirty nine, so it's
not like he can pick up all of those extra snaps.
That's gonna have to come from Keon Martin or Papa.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
It's great, so good.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Somebody sent me. Somebody sent me.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
There's so much stuff on the Instagram about with Stevie
Janowesk because he's that agend.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
But I hadn't.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
I have not seen it like that series in a
long time, and I don't feel like I need to
because anytime I want to see something funny, it's this's there.
But there's so much stuff that I think I forgot. Well, yeah,
like I missed a I forgot a lot of this
of the high jinks that he did in when they
were in Myrtile, A lot of Yeah, that season I
don't recall as well as the Mexico season or the

(11:04):
final one where he's at the talk show host he's
a yes, yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
Hold on, I have it on my replies because I
said that it makes me, this brings me great joy.
So the guy basically said, this makes me think of
you when I see it, and it was the discussion
between of that they had about fixings and all the
I will not pick up your fixings and he's like

(11:31):
breaking Damcbrady goes, this makes me think of Nade's going.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
I said, that's a great honor. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
They sell that. They sell a Fixen's hat now a
fix AND's hat and a T shirt and all the
through like Don Gatto. Yeah, and isn't I think that
that is all from the last season, the fix and
stuff when he's running the kiosks and all that. I
think that's the last season where when Kenny's a talk.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Show hosts have a lot of different flavors and fixes. Yeah,
that's that. That's it's unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Where he's got like the dimpled chin implant and all
that other nonsense that he has in the final one.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, what a time to be all that's there.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Yeah, we got Thursday night football tonight especially so we
can get on that.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
I like watching the Patriots.

Speaker 6 (12:15):
I like watching Drake may I like watching Vrabel, I
like watching Trevion.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
I'm looking forward to seeing what those unis look like.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Yeah, I'll have it on. I don't know that it'll
be like locked in. By the way, did you see
this speaking of locked in? As has been well chronicled
here for lo these many years, I still have the
traditional cable and I still love to flip and bounce
around and do all of those things. Yes, Awful Announcing
did a story on this that just this week that

(12:44):
essentially a lot of and you would know you have
the YouTube TV right, they don't. They don't have channel
numbers on that.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
They do not no, but it kind of like goes
in an order, like if you're on the menu and
go channel up down, there's a guide.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
There's a guide, but there's no numbers. And so what
they were saying was that the thing that we kind
of all grew up doing and I still enjoy doing,
which is like the last numbers and all that.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Not numbers, but you can still do last. So if
you're on one thing, right, you.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
Can't be like, oh thirteen on one's ESPN, I'll go there,
six oh two is HBO, I'll go there. That's not
the way that it works. And their story was how
they that what is slowly happening with all these streamers,
and of course they they leverage sports of course because
sports is the reason they need that we care about
is live sports. Everything else will watch on our own
time whever we want. And basically the nuts and bolts

(13:35):
of the story is is they are conditioning us to
sit through commercials because it's too much of a pain
in the neck to bounce around to find something else.
What which I thought was an interesting I never thought
of it that way. But one of my biggest frustrations
on Amazon the Thursday nighters is I feel like I
go in that portal and I have a couple of TVs,
so it's okay, But like tonight, I'll have it on

(13:57):
secondary TV and then I'll Main TV something else so
you can just watch. But if it was like if
we were playing, or if it was like ram Seahawks
and I wanted it mainscreened, once I go into it,
I'm stuck in that portal.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
So you could do.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
They're conditioning us to get used to that.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
What they've got that's good on the YouTube is the multiview,
so you could have like red Zone and a game
there and you could go in out from You can
pick whichever one you audio you want at atime that's
just a click of whichever one and they can go
in to just the one back. We'll take you right
back there into the one back there. Back from that,
I'll take you out to whatever you want. So you

(14:31):
can have you have to like know how to work
it to get but you can't have exactly what you like.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
You can you in that box? Could you have for example,
like the showtimes are now running there like in the
middle of a Godfather thing that they're running NonStop, which
so you can create your Godfather in one of those
multiviews and have the audio from that while watching the
game on the other one.

Speaker 6 (14:53):
I think, so that would be a create your own multiview,
which they give you the opportunity to do.

Speaker 9 (14:58):
You're able to do stuff like that and even do that, yeah,
even in the morning without the ESPN stuff right now,
I mean they I mean they're the multi view that
they give you. Like the options they give you without
creating your own are just so random. Like you got
news with some sort of like kids Disney show right now,
all those or well I guess Disney.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
When I would come in the morning, you would always
have one that was pre made for me that had
good morning football, Sports Center, whatever's going on in golf
and then like either a news or a kid or
whatever that's like just like one that they just oh,
you think you like this, So they're like cultivating those things.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
But yeah, you could. You can always create your own.

Speaker 6 (15:35):
Multi year so you could have yeah, you'd have yeah,
boom boom and then do whatever you want.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a anyway. So they
find they did a story on it this week, and
I think one of the reasons for it was Ohio
State basketball played on Tuesday night. They played on Tuesday
night on Big ten Plus Okay, which is not available
on cable, it's not available on app. It is a

(16:00):
pay per view channel that you have to pay twelve
ninety nine a month for to do it. And my
argument to it was you're doing more damage by not
making this accessible to an entire generation of fans yep,
than the nickels you're getting from the people who are
paying for it ye. And so like they're they're at
this point now with these streamers where there is a

(16:21):
push the NFL doesn't have to worry about. The NFL
is its own animal, but they have basically done this
with all sports where they put this they're using fandom
as the leverage for the stream, of course, and even
on stuff that it's marginal, like it's it was I
think they played Appalachian State Tuesday, so it's not like
this was like, oh I got to see this. Yeah,
Like I mean, and I have to talk about them

(16:43):
a little bit. And Kentucky Louisville was on, and I'm like, yeah,
I'll just watch this instead and I'll get the two
minute clip in the morning, and I have a pretty.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Good idea about what happened handle on it. Yeah, you
know that that's kind of the way that it goes.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
So I think that they are over leveraging a little
bit one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
It's annoying, honestly, it is. Yeah, yeah, it very much is.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
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Speaker 2 (18:22):
Where did you see feel like really tangible prosgress was
made in the offense From maybe before the uye.

Speaker 10 (18:30):
Today, some of the things we wanted to focus on,
get Jerry going, get the battle of the perimeter. You know,
there's some other things that I would talk about, don't
want to schematically give anything away, but I felt like
there was progress there. Felt like our guys had a
really good week of prep. Really disappointed in the result,

(18:50):
you know, ultimately walking off of that field and how
the game ends, and look as a play caller, there's
always things you want back. I felt like we put
our guys in position to have success throughout the game.
And then when you do that and you don't have success,
you always look to why and what you can do
during the week to.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
Help your players have that success.

Speaker 10 (19:07):
And then you know there's gonna be a handful of
calls that you make that the defense you know, won
the rep that happens in football throughout a game, and
then there's a couple of plays there that you say,
they didn't put our guys in the right position, and
those are the ones as a play caller that eat
at you. But definitely felt like trending in the right direction.
Some of the things that we want to emphasize without
going into too much details schematically, we got done and

(19:30):
we got to build off that and and start winning
some games, not on.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
More than one What were hooping forward and then what happened.

Speaker 10 (19:37):
Yeah, well, you talk about a play call you want back.
You know, you start there, had a lot of confidence
in the call on third down that we'd pick up
the first felt like we maybe lost a yard there,
and you know, look, in hindsight, you want to you
want to execute those situations. We made an aggressive play call,
we didn't work out. They had a good call on
on defense and we just didn't execute.

Speaker 7 (19:59):
It at the end of the day. And you know,
those are ones as.

Speaker 10 (20:01):
A play caller that you want to always put your
guys in the right position. We were running it pretty
good at that point on that drive, so certainly could
have could have handled that differently and executed it differently.

Speaker 7 (20:11):
So we'll learn from it. I'll learn from it and
get better on it.

Speaker 8 (20:16):
Fourth and one, typic like Tilman was open for a
first out. Now is the reason the play You feel
the play call failed because you put the rookie quarterback
in position of having to make a play that was
not the right time.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
To do it.

Speaker 10 (20:29):
Yeah, I should have run the ball, Okay, it was open.
I don't want to get into the specifics of the
play itself. You know, you can you can freeze almost
any play right and say hey, this guy's open, this
guy's open.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
Great.

Speaker 10 (20:42):
I want want to make sure I'm putting our players
in the right spot. I made a call, an aggressive one,
it didn't work, and we got to move on to
the next.

Speaker 11 (20:49):
Like you and and Kevin have said that, you know,
you don't see like the height popping up in any way,
but it is that tied into rolling come out a
little bit more. I know other quarterbacks like twos that
I can't necessarily see exactly over the line. I have
to look into certain windows and certain you know, pockets
of the line protection.

Speaker 10 (21:05):
Yeah, Brock Purty has this quote. He was on a
podcast in the summer. I can't remember who was with.
It was a former quarterback and he talks about like
sixty percent of the passes you don't see it, you know,
and other tall quarterbacks have said the same thing. Right,
you're playing with big men out there and windows close fast,
and he said, you have to trust the look you're seeing.

(21:26):
You have to anticipate you're really throw into spots versus
different coverages, and that takes time. And I think Brock
in the quote talks about how he's a rookie and
how he's grown into that and the comfort and that
and the confident in that, and so much of our
stress right now with the young quarterbacks is hey, when
we get looks that we know we like this concept
versus you know, we got to trust in that, anticipate,

(21:49):
let it go. And then you know, part of the
job of the quarterback is, Hey, we might call something
that it's not the ideal.

Speaker 7 (21:54):
Look, how do we solve that problem.

Speaker 12 (21:57):
I was trying to get a handle on this yesterday,
and I don't know if we really got anywhere, but
in terms of just some of the throws that seemed
pretty off on the part of Dylan. Is there something
mechanical happening?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Is it just I.

Speaker 7 (22:12):
Don't know, can you Yeah?

Speaker 10 (22:13):
I think it goes back to the point I was
just a couple of points. I was just mentioning, like,
evaluate it sometimes, Hey, is there something mechanical or fundamental
we want to correct? Is there something from an understanding
during the week game plan that we.

Speaker 7 (22:29):
Want to correct?

Speaker 10 (22:31):
Sometimes quarterbacks miss sometimes you know, rain or whether it
can affect you know, all those things can affect it.
So you try to boil each play down into its
own individual play and then what caused this and then
how can we correct that. Look, I've had my finger
slip off the ball and you miss. You know, if
that's the case, great, we'll get the next one. If
there's hey, I wasn't quite sure on the coverage, then

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that's where we dig back in as coaches and talk
through the reason of why we're doing things. And you know,
all those are really important. I think for every position,
when you don't have the execution, that's what you're trying
to get after. If we miss a block, did we
understand the scheme, did we set incorrectly? Did they just win?

(23:13):
Did you step on the guard? Like there's a lot
of different things that go into every position as you
evaluated did you win at the.

Speaker 7 (23:18):
Top of a route?

Speaker 10 (23:21):
Like that's our job as coaches when you evaluate the
game and what happens, to look at the reasons why
things are happening, and then you know, there's obviously things
that are correctable, and then there's things that you say, Okay,
we're gonna move on from that and we'll get the
next one.

Speaker 9 (23:33):
Get Jerry so involved, especially early when it had been
such a struggle the first speaking, what was different?

Speaker 10 (23:41):
Yeah, those are the questions that it's hard for me
to get into the details there. You know, Jerry does
a lot of things well, and I'll just say we're
trying to put them in position to do those things.
Is in the right spots, in the right moments. And
you know we talked last week, when you get your
good players going early, usually it helps them throughout the game. So,
you know, Jerry's a very talent guy who's worked extremely hard,

(24:01):
and you know he put himself in that position to
have success.

Speaker 8 (24:06):
You at the last four games that nobody scored over nineteen. Yeah,
have they changed their defense philosophy somehow and are playing
good despite no pass rush.

Speaker 10 (24:18):
I mean they're playing really well as a whole. They
create pressure, you know, like in unique ways. You know,
obviously they made the trade four weeks ago that brought
fourteen down closer to the ball. I think that's a
big change from a couple of years back. They were
playing predominantly in that set, changed it up midway through
the year last year. You know, they have a good

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group of players that play complimentary on one another, and
like I said, they have versatility to them. They're playing
a really good brand of football right now. Whether they're
generating pressure or not. They're limited points, they're creating turnovers
their limited points. They're getting key stops when they need it,
so they're they're really playing at a high level. Have
a a lot of respect for the staff and how

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they put together their defense and the way they challenge
an offense.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
I like, Tommy, I like that a lot, a lot
of good stuff in there.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Like I would like to have that fourth and one back.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
I like it. Yeah, that was good.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
I liked everything about it.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Very good.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Let's go behind behind enemy lines now, this time to
Baltimore with Raven's head coach John Harbaugh.

Speaker 13 (25:21):
We're excited for the opportunity against a very good Cleveland team,
big rivalry. We know it's in store, and uh, we're
looking forward to it. But we've got a lot of
work to do, and that's what we started doing today.
What question do you have, No, I know it's not ideal,
but any comfort in the fact you've done this already
this season, being down multiple guys to get ready for

(25:42):
a big much worried about that?

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Really?

Speaker 13 (25:44):
I mean it's uh, it's the guys.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
This game.

Speaker 13 (25:47):
We played a game. You know, it's a physical game.
It's I think if you look around in the league,
there's gonna be guys who don't practice on Wednesday. You know,
it's part of the deal. So it's there's gonna be
there's gonna be a guy or to maybe that'll miss
the game. Uh, it's okay. You know, we've got guys
ready to back up. But it's not it's not in
the category of before you know, it's it's not in
that category. So I think this is more of a normal,

(26:10):
a normal kind of a week.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
That way, John, you had said you might know more
about Carlin's decision on the finger maybe care of Barlan had.

Speaker 13 (26:18):
The finger finger pinned, so uh he Wrolon won't be
playing in the game, but he but uh he'll be recovering.
Then hopefully the next week will be back.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I think, o Jelly, you got those face on Mcarfield
last week.

Speaker 14 (26:31):
Now clust the week facing another rookie quarterback with Bill
and Gabriel help challenge you.

Speaker 7 (26:35):
How can do that for the week?

Speaker 13 (26:38):
Uh, very challenging, you know. It's it's uh, it's you.
You gotta face the you know the people that you
play and you got the guys. He has let it
let it. He's young. We haven't seen much of them.
Uh challenging coach, did the uh.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Did the news patch guying?

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Are uh decided himself away?

Speaker 7 (26:54):
Catch you by surprise?

Speaker 13 (26:56):
Uh? Yeah, I guess so, I mean, I I think,
uh that was uh just think the world a gyre,
you know, And I know he's must you know he's
going through he's been a challenge. It's such a challenge
for him because we were with him every day in
here and he was working hard to get back, practicing
hard to get back. So you know, Uh, that's Uh.
I haven't talked to him or anything like that, so

(27:17):
I can't speak to him, but I just think the
world of him, and I know he'll he'll figure it
out for sure. Just a good person and hard working guy.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
A little bit.

Speaker 15 (27:27):
See with the Browns, it's like especially up there, going
up there, it is always kind of a grind out
head of why why did I mean you watched the
film more detail than any of us, Why why do
you think it is a lot of times up there
it's such a grinding out game.

Speaker 7 (27:39):
Against because they're really good.

Speaker 13 (27:40):
Because I mean that defense is one of the best,
if not the best defense going right now. I mean
they got they got multiple top top end players, they
got a great scheme, they play super hard, they're physical,
they do everything really well.

Speaker 12 (27:53):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (27:53):
Offensive line been around forever, big physical offensive line. They
got one of the best young backs. This guy's this
guy looks legit. Uh, they got they got tight ends.
They got athletic rookie tight end. They got a veteran
tight end who can make plays. They got one of
the top receivers in Judy. Uh, they got they got uh,
you know, they got players, you know, and they're and
they're tough, physical outfit. It's a f C North game.

(28:15):
It's gonna be one of those. It's gonna be cold,
it's gonna be rainy, it's gonna be windy, it's gonna
be on the shores of Lake Erie. You know, it's
this is We're used to this. You know, this is
Cleveland and this is how these games go. And uh
and we just have you know, the utmost respect for
what what what how they play. You know, So we've
got to we've gotta we've got to be at our best.

Speaker 16 (28:37):
Show on that defensive line obviously is kind of that
that's what leads that defense that you were just talking
about your offensive line to search up for that consistency.
How do they get that this week against that top defensive.

Speaker 13 (28:48):
Front that work really hard. They'll they'll they'll be doing
their best.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
You're asked about it Monday.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
But with Lamar just tepnically he got them all out
Sunday against the all those plits as he saw from
from Minnesota.

Speaker 13 (29:02):
What impressed you by that operation? I think he's been
playing great. I mean, he's la Mark can do a
lot of things. You know, if you if you talk
to people around the league who have to defend the Ravens,
and you know, it starts with Lamar Jackson, you know,
and and it starts to the fact that, you know,
we do so many things on offense. We we live
in so many different worlds on offense because of Lamar,
because of our quarterback. He can do so many different things.

(29:23):
And that's one of the things he can do, you know.
So it didn't surprise anything, shouldn't surprise anybody. Didn't surprise
anybody that been watching him. Player has to defend him
that he's able to get the ball out against Blitz,
you know. I mean, you guys made a big deal
about the whole thing. But it wasn't to us. You know,
he's been doing really well against that stuff, and that's
that's pretty par for the course for him. Actually.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
You know, some guys have played well without getting noticed.

Speaker 9 (29:47):
How big has Jordan Jordan Stout did for you this
year between a lot of touchbacks, you know, the.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Career high numbers.

Speaker 13 (29:54):
Yeah, that's a great, great point. I mean, you know,
I guess it's the punter and the snapper. Sometimes you don't,
you don't, you don't. If their name doesn't get called,
you know, they must be doing a good job. But
Jordan had to bang. He just blasted a couple of
punts down there deep inside to five, and he's got
numerous punts inside the five, inside to ten this year.
I thought he had a really big game. So but
it's gonna be a big challenge this week. I mean,

(30:15):
you know, you're gonna have all the conditions out there
to deal with in this game. It's a tough place
to kick, tough place to punt, tough place to field punts.
Those are gonna be things that are gonna be really
really important in this game.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
All right, there you go, time for our first matchup.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
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Speaker 3 (30:42):
Is he look at this graphics? Oh great?

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Is that.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Young Gabriel? Let the boy watch, Let him learn.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
Week two, last time the Browns played the Ravens, Joe
Flacco was your quarterback. Quinn Shawn Judkins was making his
NFL debut. Dylan Gabriel ended up making his NFL debut
and throwing his first touchdown pass to Dylan Sampson. Ceder

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Tilman had a touchdown in that game. Judy was your
leading receiver four catches fifty one yards fan and had
five catches to lead the team then that respect five
for forty eight n Joku four for forty Tilman seven targets,
two catches twenty two and touchdown. If you remember, that
was one of the most improbable touchdowns of all time.
Like yep, probably should have been something not great. Rokwan
Smith had a game for the Ages. Fifteen tackles, three

(31:44):
tackles for lost, two quarterback hits and a sixty three
yard fumble return for a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
I heard it, I did too. The Ravens had two
sacks that day.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
They did not.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
No, it's down right here.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
Low dips, Tavius Robinson and Nomdi Matabik had the seas.
Both of those guys are on ir They don't have
a single guy on their team who is healthy that
has two sacks. It's hard to believe they only have
twelve on the season now. Draymond Jones has four and

(32:20):
a half sacks on the season, but all four and
a half of those came with the Tennessee Titans. He
was just acquired last week. He did have two quarterback
hits in his debut, But Travis Jones has one and
a half sacks. Mike Green the Rockieada Marshall, he has
one and a half sacks. Kyle Van Noyu had twelve
and a half last year, just has one sack. David Ajabo,
who if you would have told me coming out prior
to his pro day, yep, I would have thought he

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was gonna be a Really he was a beast.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
That injury just completely derailed him. He's got a half
a sack. So they don't get to the quarterback much,
but they have been really good of late. In the
last three games against quarterbacks have thrown for one touchdown
and four interceptions. No quarterback has had one hundred rating

(33:07):
in the last four games against them. No running back
room has rushed for seventy five yards in four games
against this defense. They have not allowed a one hundred
yard rusher since Week three this season. That was David Montgomery,
the only one they've allowed. Wide receivers only have one
touchdown in the last four games. They have allowed three
one hundred yard receivers, most recently Jalen Naylor last week

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from Minnesota, and then the tight ends. There's only been
one tight end touchdown since Week one and only one
tight end has had sixty yards against this defense. They
are going to play a lot of man, They're going
to do a lot of disguise, and they're going to
do a lot of blitzing. They are top ten in
the league and middle of the field closed, that's single
high safety. They're top ten in the league in disguising
the middle of the field, so moving from open to

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closed most often, that's thirty four percent of the time.
They blitz thirty five percent time tenth to most. They
view all out blitz nine percent of the time. First
in the NFL. Cover one, which is man won twenty
five percent. That's eighth most in the NFL. They played
the sixth most man coverage overall. They are in nickel
tenth most. They are in dime seventh most, so basically
they live in sub package. Their base defense is thirty

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first in the NFL, just eleven percent. So this is
gonna be a single eye team. They're gonna come after you.
They're not afraid of blitz. They play a lot of man,
not afraid at all to you know, let their linebacker
Rokwan Smith and Teddy Buchanan just go ahead and be
dominant that second level. Buchanan a rookie out of Cal

(34:29):
It's got a team h sixty nine tackles. He's played
pretty well for them. And then their back end has
been good. And really what's changed with those stats. They
were terrible the first half of the season. They've been
good the second half of the season. And the biggest
change for them has been their ability with a Looie Gillman,
who they brought back. He was a former six round
pick of the Ravens out of Notre Dame. In twenty twenty,

(34:49):
they bring him back in a trade and when the
four games Baltimore two passes, defense, force fumble, fumble recovery
as well nineteen tackles. But it's allowed Kyle Hamilton to
get closer the lion of scrimmage be kind of the nickel.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
It's freed up.

Speaker 6 (35:03):
Malachi starts to just be a ballhawk. He's got two
interceptions in the four games since Colt Gilman has been here.
Nate Wiggins is playing great at one quarner. Marlin Humphrey
has been playing pretty well at the other corner, but
he will be out This we know as the because
of the finger. But it's a three to four base defense.
But like I said, they're in nickel the majority of
the time, and so it's gonna be you know, Travis
Jones plays the most up front of the big guys,

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John Jenkins, Cjkoy, A, Brent Urban, they kind of split
the other reps.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Then it's on the outside, it's Van.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
Noy, Mike Green, and then Draymond Jones now is in
the mix and he'll obviously play on that defensive line.
But I think you're gonna see a lot of a
four man front. That's Jones, Draymont Van Noy, and Mike
Green with the two linebackers and then three safeties and
two corners.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Sometimes they'll go to dime, but.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
Yeah, there there is a the last their season stats
are very deceiving because of how good they have been
lately in the season. They're not good at anything. They're
in you know, middle of the pack to twentieth or
higher and everything like, for example, they have twelve sacks.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
That is sorty. That's one thing that's been consistent.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
But they've been a good scoring defensive late, even though
there's still twenty ninth on the year. They're currently the
twentieth rush defense, twenty second against past twenty sixth overall.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
But as I said, the last three weeks they have
been much much better than that.

Speaker 6 (36:15):
They're giving up just thirteen point seven points per game
over those last three weeks.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
What was the biggest difference from your perspective from Tommy
calling the plays in Kevin.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
I just thought just the clear.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
Emphasis on getting Jerry Judy the ball, and maybe some
of those late motions and shifts for Judy to go
from being outside to inside and giving him free releases. Yeah,
that kind that was number And I thought we played
a little bit more eleven personnel last week than we
had on the season at large as well.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Nice, very good.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
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Speaker 14 (37:55):
How are you the best intro? Ever?

Speaker 3 (37:57):
There we go?

Speaker 6 (37:58):
I like, I like actual that it's a factual intro.
All right, let's talk just for a second, because I
think one of the more stupefying things that has happened
in recent memory is everybody assumed Carson Special wasn't gonna
play against the New York Jets, and then we're talking
on the bus and.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
You're like, yeah, I think he's gonna play.

Speaker 6 (38:20):
And not only does he play, he plays every snap,
leads a team in tackles, gets another half of a sack,
and looked like he was totally fine. He had a
high ankle sprain. How does this happen? Coach Savan said,
he's got wolverine blood.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
What say you?

Speaker 14 (38:38):
Carson's impressive. He sets processes and he didn't leave here.
He didn't leave here on the bye week. He stayed
in the training room. He made the trainers show up extra,
which is great. They did a great job. Our training
stef did a great job and Carson did a great job.
So he had had a high angle sprain before, and
so when you've had one, it is helpful because you

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know the process. And he said, it feels better than
the one that I had before. He's very conscious of
himself and so focused on football that he knew he
knew he had a chance, and he's like, coach, it's different.
I feel like I got a chance. I'm like, okay, good,
I'm gonna be quiet about that and just you know,
so don't get my hopes up too much. But he did.

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And then he played really well with really limited practice,
which of course for a rookie is special. He did
a really good job in that football game, getting all
the calls right. They have some complex run schemes and
we fit all but too really well, and really he
almost saved us on those, especially the one late in
the game where he timed it the blitz perfect. We
call that a total disruption. That's where you get in

(39:42):
the backfield and took the handoff. He did, and he
was totally kind. He's that coach, I just miss it
with my hand. I mean, just his rushing forward in
that game was special. His closing his space tackles were
really good. Really the ones that he missed most of
the time somebody knocked him off. Sometimes that happens, you're
in the whole ear there and then you just get
hit with something, sometimes friendly fire. But really proud of

(40:04):
the way that he approaches. Obviously, how he goes every
play is his you know, thinking next play is my
best play. But how he approaches twenty four hours of
every day to get himself ready is just really impressive.

Speaker 6 (40:17):
And then even on the play that did not go
well for us, I would argue that something illegal had
to happen for his helmet to be knocked off, but
he didn't even stop to pick up his helmet. He
went helmetless right down the field to try to make
the play.

Speaker 14 (40:32):
Oh yeah, yeah. After that yesterday I actually had practice
cars had the equipment guy's change out his chin strap
because his chin strap still had all the dried blood
in there from the game. I mean, he's a warrior.
He's bleeding off the top of his forehead and his
chin after that play. So yes, what he did is
he did a really good job of straining to get
off that bock and give us a chance. He got

(40:53):
that thing turned back and just that strain. He keeps
straining like that, he'll get rewarded.

Speaker 6 (41:00):
You have had the privileged in this league to be
around some of the greatest at that position. I think
about your time obviously with the forty nine ers, the
Pat Willis Nabarro Bowman. This Carson as a rookie, I
think right now it's hard for me to even contemplate
anybody else who's playing as well as he is in
the league. And I think certainly is a candidate, if
not the favorite, to be the defensive Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
It's one thing if like he had been a four
year starter, a three year starter, this guy started one
year in college.

Speaker 6 (41:31):
Is what he's doing right now to you and all
that you have seen, is it one of the more
impressive things?

Speaker 14 (41:38):
Yes, And it comes from the same thing, the process
and the mindset. He's special in how he can take
in a lot of information or a lot of things,
moving fast, keep it simple, and work with everybody, and
then go find the ball and then like you saw,
the helmet off is an example. His biggest strength is

(41:59):
that he runs. He doesn't worry about anything. He just
tracks the ball and then he's trained his body to
be incredibly flexible, incredibly strong, and through our work. The
biggest emphasis for Carson this year was just he wanted
to run through everything because he can, because he slips
and slides through contact really well, because he's so flexible
and hit everything with his pads. He's gotten way better

(42:20):
with his hands. You know. One of our mantras is
finish the down unblocked, and he's taken that and he
lives it. Getting people off. He's got all kinds of
examples at the end of plays, whether the ball's up
or not, just just getting rid of people so that
way it gives you the more chances to get to
the ball. His mindset play and play out is special.
How quickly he developed it, And like you said, I

(42:41):
think I think Carson, it's always nature versus nurture and
anything in life. But the fact that he had to
he got a lot of his weight later, you know,
because he played all the skill positions in high school.
His coach did a great job of getting him and
selling you so A and Chip and everybody to take him.
And then just everything he had to work through, from
playing special teams to gaining the weight, so all those

(43:04):
skills he learned that some of the smaller positions come
into play. Now at linebacker, now he's the middle sized guy,
but he's got all the skill.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
What's just amazing to me is though it's just the
fact that he did it one year in college and
you see certain looks in college, but now you think of,
for example, this game we're going to go against Roquand Smith.
Roquand Smith's seen just about everything and that allows him
to be and he's also he's got the gifts and
all of that to be one of the best ever
played the position.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Carson hasn't seen everything.

Speaker 6 (43:28):
And if you think about some of the offenses that
we've faced this year, whether it be Arthur Smith's let offense,
whether it be Kevin O'Connell, whether it be what they
do in Detroit, whether it be Miami, whether it be
the Baltimore Ravens with Todd Monk. All of these offenses
are designed to fool you eye candy that gets you off,
and you would think somebody who hasn't seen much of
it would be susceptible. And yet he's gone out there

(43:50):
and match with one of the greatest quarterback lineups that
you've seen through the first six weeks and then continued
against offenses that have been designed to make a young
player make mistakes.

Speaker 14 (44:00):
Yeah, his conscious his ability to see it on video
or in practice and take it to the game is elite.
It's it's that functional quick memory where it is it's
like a snap of your fingers and go, oh, yeah,
I remember when this is this. He can do that
sometimes without even having a practice rep. He can see

(44:21):
it and apply it, and that is special. And again
that's nature versus nurture. That's his brain power. That's also
how he thinks about it. He's intensely focused. And I
mean I come down here. We're in the linebacker meeting
room downstairs right now doing this interview. I come down
here all the time. And there he is. He's either
guy's ipattery's got the video on, he's got his his
notes out and he takes just his notes are enough

(44:45):
to get it done quickly. In other words, he's not
writing everything. He's writing action.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Things that he needs.

Speaker 14 (44:49):
Yes, his ability to sort through information and make it
applicable and then apply it to this speed and this power,
that's where he's really special. And his questions are great
because he wants to make it easy, Like there was
a blitz today and he said, now all of them
are the same because we changed the coverage just that quick,

(45:10):
and and Devin and the other guys and I all
of us went, oh, yeah, that makes it easier. Yeah,
that's why he could do it because he keeps it simple.
And we all say, you keep it simple, kiss principal,
all that everybody does, every coach says it. But this kid,
he's got that.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
He's good.

Speaker 6 (45:25):
And then you've seen next to him. I think Devin
Bush is having one of the best seasons of his career.
And he's a guy obviously was very accomplished, certainly his
rookie year there in Pittsburgh, but second year in the system,
second year with you, and you can see him just
out there thrive, and those two together have been really
one of the bright spots I think in this organization.
When you thought about all of a sudden, you know,
go back before the season started, it's like Jeremiah is

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going to be out for the year, Jordan Hicks retires,
which we was unexpected. It was gonna be our starting
mike linebacker. And yet this linebacker room has been as
good as any room on this team.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
All year long.

Speaker 14 (45:59):
I appreciate that, but we talk about in here, you
don't know when it's your turn, and we need everybody
and and through the years that I've been fortunate enough
to be in the organization, that's how we've approached it.
I mean, we look at video against against these guys
two years ago. The linebacker's totally different, completely different, one
hundred back to back to Devon really proud of how

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he has given himself to the scheme and the and
the teammates and just how he works with everybody. He's
just gotten better and better because he hadn't been in
this game where he can get on edges a little
bit more. We've blit them a little bit more. And
just how he works with people right now and his
mental recall of things that have happened and applying it
into the next game or next rep is way better.

(46:43):
And it helps that Carson's next to him, Grants next
to him, Jerome er Mood, who's ever in is next
to him, because the collective memory and the collective just
adjustments are happening faster and faster.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Does Grahat spend time in here, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
We do.

Speaker 14 (46:57):
We do some meetings with the safeties and linebackers depending
on the time.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
But because he's there with oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 (47:03):
As coach Swartz says, the linebackers in the safeties, we're
the nerve center of the defense. We got to make
we got to make the quick adjustments, and then we
got to be the director of physicality because we get
the run on hit tackles. Okay, so those are the
two things. That's our mantra from coach Schwartz of the defense,
right and really you've heard it from me before. Defensive
football is getting more positionless anyway. There's just there's there's

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the guys that rush more upfront that are bigger, there's
the guys that cover the lead athletes out the outside,
and then there's everybody else, safeties and linebackers. Hey, listen,
whoever we get matched up on, let's let's know our leverage.
If it's there's only two things they can do. They
can run or they can pass. And if we're on
the right leverage and our eyes are right, we'll see
it and RPOs both. But it has to happen fast,

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and we're all going to be in those spots. So
we train them. Hey, you're in this spot here, it
is put your eyes here, whether it's a safety or linebacker,
because we could get bumped into those same spots, so
we cross train them all the time, and by the
time it's done, I don't really care what it's about us.

Speaker 6 (48:00):
When was the last time you were a part of
a game where your defense allowed one drive with a
first down in it through three quarters?

Speaker 14 (48:10):
You know what? I don't even think about that. I'm
just like when I talk about about the guys going
to the next play, I don't even We get on
the bench and you've seen it. I get in front
of the guys and I have our screen and we
go play by play, and all we think about is
fixing anything that happens, and then what's coming next to
where we're going. I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
I don't even have after the fact, though, did you
know that? Yeah?

Speaker 14 (48:33):
After I don't know what the stats are about anything.
All I think about is are we fixing what happens
to us to help the defense win? And are we
running full speed and playing to attack the ball. And
that's all we're looking at. And if we come out
of the game, players and coaches fixing everything that happens,
then we did our job. To give us a chance

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to win. Now, we need to finish that next week.
You're talking about the good stats. We need to finish
that last quarter. We need to finish that thing. No
matter what happens, wherever they get the ball, we gotta
finish that. And that's that's what we need to do.
And we're excited to do it at home this week.
I've been home for a while.

Speaker 6 (49:06):
It's gonna be awesome. It's been a long time. Let's
turn our attention to the Ravens. When we were talking
to you and I before the first time that you
guys took on the Baltimore Ravens and by the way,
we held Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry combined to the
fewest rushing yards ever in their time together with the
Ravens by like a wide, wide margin. And you had
saidkend of one of the key was you have to
get Derek Henry. I can't remember what step you said,
but before was it the third step or fifth step?

Speaker 14 (49:28):
Fifth?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Fifth step? And we did a great job of that.

Speaker 6 (49:32):
How have you seen their offense evolve since that game,
especially now with Patrick Riccard back and what challenges does
that present to us?

Speaker 14 (49:40):
Yeah, they have their full compliment back with the quarterback
and the full back, and they've done a good job
of adjusting to what you just said. They're finding different
ways to get him on his tracks and going because
when he is, he's really good, as we know, you know,
and they are. They're big, and they do a great
job with their personnel. They mix their personnel, they use
their personnel. I mean, one of coach coach Bill Walsh's

(50:02):
phrases how he raised me was know your personnel and
use your personnel, like we said, positionless on defense. But
they do a good job of that. So we have
to make sure the formations are leveraged. We know when,
when and where our help is. And then it is
these are this is a big football team. We've got
to get on edges and get off of blocks. And

(50:22):
that's easy for me to say, but that's how you
play this team. And like you said, in the first game,
we did some of that some of the time. There
was some short fields that we need to Again, it
doesn't matter where they get the ball. We have to perform.
And again, like I said, I really don't even consider
what else is going on the game because when I

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do that, then then it helps the players do that
when we're in our spots. It helps us do that together.
But yeah, that's the key to the game is getting edges,
getting knocked back, get them off their tracks, and then
understanding like when it's what running backs in When is
the quarterback going to keep things? Obviously you don't know.

(51:06):
He's special. He's gonna make a big play once in
a while. Ye accept that, move to the next play
because he's that good. He's gonna make a big play.
Cutch Schwartz says it all the time. He's gonna make one.
All right, cool, go to the next play.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (51:16):
If you can limit those, then you got a chance.

Speaker 6 (51:18):
When you watch him in particular, talking about Lamar Jackson,
you know this year he's scrambling at the lowest rate
he ever has in his career. He has the fewest
number of carries and rushing yards per game in his
career so far this year. Are they doing something differently?
Is he just being more conservative now? They're being very effective.
He's throwing it and his efficiency as a passer right
now is as good as anybody in the league. But
have you noticed anything different? Are their fewer designed runs

(51:41):
with Lamar.

Speaker 14 (51:42):
The designed runs are still in there, but I don't
think it's I don't think they will use it when
they need it, if that makes sense. Maybe as you
get towards the red zone stuff like that. I will say,
you know, I like to talk about us. I usually
don't like to talk about opponents, you know when you
when you talk to me, because I just don't even
see it. We just talk about their number and what

(52:05):
they do. But his throwing has gotten better since he's
been in the league, I mean just significantly, yes, and
a tribute to him, he's gotten better. So that's more
of a challenge for us. But that's what you know,
That's what you do if you're gonna be at that
position in the league. You're always working on something. So
to his credit, he's gotten better at it and it's
become more and more accurate and now it's our challenge

(52:26):
to make it inaccurate. Again.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
Is this a game that you get as excited for
as anybody? Because I try to think in my mind
of you know, a team that is the biggest linebacker
game you could have, and I feel like the Ravens
are there because you've got Lamar in the ground game,
You've got Derrick Henry. You're gonna be in big formations
a lot to tight ends. They've got Ricard, They've got
Mark Andrews, who has been a thorn in our side
for a great many years. But is this is this
the kind of game that gets you excited because this

(52:49):
is one where I think the linebackers really are going
to play. They play a big role every week, but
this is when this feels like a linebacker game.

Speaker 14 (52:57):
I get excited about every game.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Sure, you get excited about it.

Speaker 14 (53:00):
And it's another round in a seventeen round boxing match
that you got to win as many as you can.
But it's at home, and it's in the division, and
we missed the dog pound. Ye, and we're ready to play.
And I'm gonna leave it at that. We're ready to play.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Coach, I love it. You get what's the juice you
get from being at home? And is a defense?

Speaker 6 (53:22):
Because our defense, Listen, there are those splits out there,
but at home we are.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
Incredible.

Speaker 14 (53:28):
Yeah. I think I think we really we really appreciate
our environment. I think we we need what we get
from the home fans, which is when they are about
to get on the ball in their huddle. We need
the noise. We need you with it. You're standing, You're
with us. We love it, and you know we we
have to harness that when we aren't at home. But

(53:50):
we get to be at home this week.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Yes we do.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Coach, thank you so much of the time. Good luck,
You're giddy.

Speaker 5 (53:54):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Let's go.

Speaker 14 (53:55):
Let's go Browns.

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Speaker 3 (54:49):
Here's your defensive coordinator, Jim.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Schwartz Beck taken. Did it feel weird?

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Just the weren't that many stabs?

Speaker 9 (54:57):
And you weren't that many passes you can just fall
into the diferent games for.

Speaker 7 (55:01):
You to call it out of field.

Speaker 17 (55:02):
Well, I mean, there weren't that many plays because like
we missed a couple series because of special team scores.
But also we were three and out, three and out,
one and out, you know, and when you have the
combination and then there's two non scores in there, basically
didn't get drives there. That's that's sort of the way
that goes. But yeah, I mean it was it was

(55:23):
a little bit different. We just really we made three
mistakes in that game. We get a holding penalty on
third and extra long, you know, when they're just trying
to keep the clock run, and then we jump all sides,
you know, cardinal sin and in four minute, really embarrassing
play for us. And the other one where you know

(55:43):
we're aggressive to try to keep them out of field
goal range. It's a tight game where we were behind
the eight ball early in the game, and you know,
we're trying to keep them at a field goal range,
so you're aggressive and you're blitzing, and they get one
block and all of a sudden they can score a touchdown.
You know, So even though and you look at a
lot of the you know, stats and things like that

(56:03):
looks good.

Speaker 7 (56:04):
It wasn't enough for a win.

Speaker 17 (56:05):
And you know, if we we either make make a
play here, or don't commit a penalty, or you know,
just make a mistake, then you know, maybe we give
us a better chance to win that game. But there
were there were a lot of things that you know,
we're proud of with the game, but we're never proud
of the loss.

Speaker 11 (56:26):
Around training camp or OTAs, you would have talked about
Ronnie Higgins's development and he said, like he's kind of
like keep putting out the fires, but now you need
him to make plays with them having interception against the
Jets to the season, just where have you seen the
growth where he's been able to make these? Uh, he's
impactful plays now.

Speaker 17 (56:42):
Yeah, Ronnie's been such a consistent player for us this
year in the back end, great communicator. The week before
against the Patriots, he had a couple of mistackles, which
was really really out of character for him. He's been
a really short tackler for us and a lot of
ours in a lot of our cleanup tackling. I would

(57:03):
say on that play, Ronnie gets the interception, but Grant.

Speaker 7 (57:07):
Delbott had a lot to do with that play.

Speaker 17 (57:09):
Grant's playing the backside doesn't really the play that The
jess Ram was a play that had gotten us early
in the year and we had worked it in our
self scout on the bye week, knowing that people would
try to copycat and say, hey, we can get this.
And Grant just did outstanding job on the backside of
that and pushed the first route off which allowed Ronnie

(57:30):
to fall into the second window and make that play.
So Ronnie gets all the attention right there, but you know,
Grant's the one that helped make that, you know, and
that's just football. I mean there's a lot of those
like Miles. Miles had a great second. I mean, you
get a sack when their quarterback's dashing the other way.
But Alex Right did a good job pulling the quarterback up.

(57:52):
Grant did a good job pulling it. Here comes Carson
pulled a quarterback and that allowed Grant. So, you know,
nobody really stands on their own and the NFL, you know,
on a on a football field, you know, there's eleven
guys and everybody has to do their job for somebody else.

Speaker 7 (58:07):
To make a play.

Speaker 17 (58:08):
I think what you saw there, But I think Ronnie's
really stepped into a leadership role for us. He's been
extremely consistent player. There's not a lot of ups and
downs in his play, and he's got some obviously got
some ballhawk in him. So it's a good sign going
forward for for us and for him.

Speaker 8 (58:27):
Venion to have uh the tune up game against Justin Fields.

Speaker 17 (58:32):
Just before this game, Yeah, I mean, you know, we
we we see a lot of mobile quarterbacks and that's
just part of the NFL now, you know. It's most
guys have the ability to scramble and make plays. Some
some teams use them a little bit more than others.
But you know, we've already played Baltimore once this year,

(58:54):
you know, but even going back to on the week before,
you know, Drake may he doesn't get the reputation for that,
but he made us pay a couple of times on
some scrambles and you know, all these all these guys
have ability to to go get first downs, go get
big plays with their legs. That's just where football has evolved.

(59:16):
And it you know, like we talked before, it it
just spread you just a little bit thinner on defense
because you have to count for the quarterback, whether it's
a quarterback scramble or it's his own read or design
quarterback run. You know, it's it's just you know, a
whisker away from playing triple option.

Speaker 11 (59:35):
Football record and likely that kind of change the complexion
of their office in terms of some of the personnel
you're expecting to see again.

Speaker 7 (59:43):
Yeah, you know they kept their package.

Speaker 17 (59:45):
I hear actually played the fullback, you know, a guy
we're very familiar with in the first game.

Speaker 7 (59:50):
So they kept it.

Speaker 17 (59:51):
But you know, getting recrd back is is big for them,
getting their two back set stuff. You know, he's a
three hundred pound guy that can you know, play with
power and that means a lot to a guy like
Derek Kennry getting him started. You know, we've done a
good job of getting Derek a lot of times before
he can get started.

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
Well, having a guy, a fullback like that.

Speaker 17 (01:00:11):
You know, can help him. So he was an important
part of the offense that they didn't have the first time.
And likely you know, all three of their tight ends
are good players. You know, Cohler really stepped into a
role and he's he's a trusted player for them. He's
made a lot of plays for the Ravens. So they
have three of them, all of them a little bit different,
but they use all three of them, and you know

(01:00:33):
that'll be that'll be a big, a big part of things.

Speaker 11 (01:00:38):
We're able to pull him to under fifty rushing yards
or your last meeting Lamar to just thirteen.

Speaker 14 (01:00:43):
How much different is it going to be a challenge
for you guys with them already having seen what you
guys were able to do in the run stopping ability
of your defense.

Speaker 17 (01:00:51):
Yeah, it's scheme wise, there's really not not a whole lot. Yeah,
it's more just attitude. I mean, I think that pretty
good idea what we were going to do in the
first game. I mean, you know, when you play Division
games like this, particularly coaching staffs that have you know,
that have been around for a few years, and players

(01:01:11):
that have been around for a few years, there's not
a whole lot of secrets this time of year, you know.
I mean it's there's probably there's very little in this
game that we're going to do that the Ravens are
going to be like, oh, well, like, where where did
that come from? Because if it was, we would have
been doing it last game, the game before that you know,
like you already sort of know, they know us, we
know them, and it's classic, classic division games, and it

(01:01:35):
comes down to, you know, to who plays physical, who
does the techniques well, who plays with the best fundamentals,
who plays with the best spirit, who makes the fewest mistakes.
It comes down to those things as opposed to you know,
a coach coming up with a with a magic scheme
or you know something like that. That's what division football
is all about. It's you know, the weather's changed, you're

(01:01:57):
into November, you have two physical teams, you know, That's
what That's what the AFC norse about.

Speaker 7 (01:02:04):
Alex.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
So I think that Isaiah would get what.

Speaker 7 (01:02:07):
Did you see from him?

Speaker 17 (01:02:08):
To see, Yeah, they had an outstanding training camp for
us and and really won the starting spot. And then
he had a little bit of, you know, a little
bit of a little step back early in the season
and just wasn't as productive as he wanted to be
and as we wanted him to be. And at the
same time, Alex was really being productive, and Alex sort

(01:02:31):
of out snapped him. We really don't have, i mean,
other than Miles, we really don't have quote starters. But
he out snapped him in there, and you know, this
is a great opportunity for Day to get that back
and you know, and to and to be the consistent
playmaker that we know he can be.

Speaker 7 (01:02:48):
Okay, all right, guys.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
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Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
Duc Dizzy, Yes it is last time. Lamar Jackson nineteen
of twenty nine two to twenty five, four touchdowns, one
hundred and twenty nine rating. He was sacked three times
by the Browns ran for just thirteen yards, and in fact,
in this game, he and Derek Henry combined for just
thirty six yards. That is the lowest combined total for
those two since Derrick Henry joined the Baltimore Ravens. Dereck

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Henry held to eleven carries for twenty three yards in
this one. Zay Flowers led the team seven catches seventy
five yards. Mark Andrews had one catch for two yards.
He's been a Browns killer eleven touchdowns in his career.
Against Cleveland, DeAndre Hopkins had two for sixty four and
a touchdown. Devontees Walker had two catches twenty six yards
and two touchdowns, and Tylan Wallace Tylan Wallace for he

(01:03:51):
had two catches twenty five yards and a touchdown. Devontees Walker,
I just want to bring this guy up. So he's
a fourth round pick of the Baltimore Ravens right in
his second season, so it's a pick.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Last year.

Speaker 6 (01:04:02):
In his NFL career, he's been targeted six times. He
has four catches for eighty one yards and three touchdowns.
This year, he's been targeted three times, two of which
were against US. Three targets, three catches, sixty yards and
two touchdowns. Like, if you're that guy, ar and you're like,
what do you have to do to play more?

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Right? Yeah? Good point.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
On six targets, the guy has eighty one yards and
three touchdowns in his NFL career. Didn't even get a
snap last week For the Browns defense, Miles led the way.
He had one and a half sacks, two tackles for lost,
two hits, and five tackles. Devin Bush had a sack,
two passes defense tackle for lost, team high eight tackles.
Camp Thomas had half of a sack. Mason Graham had
a tackle for loss, Delpit Miles Hard and ned passes defense.

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Shelby Harris knocked one down at the line as well.
Now it's a different team though Isaiah Likely is back.
He's got ten catchs for one hundred and three yards.
Patrick Ricard is back, and he's there multiple time Pro
Bowl full back, so he changes what they do on
the offensive line. Lamar this year career highs in completion percentage,
touchdown percentage, air yards per attempt and rating one hundred

(01:05:07):
and twenty seven point three. Leads the NFL in touchdown percentage,
airyards per attempt and rating seventy percent completions twelve hundred
and forty nine yards, fifteen touchdowns, one pick, one hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
And twenty seven point one rating.

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
He's run for two hundred and sixteen yards a touchdown
on six point two yards per carry, But he is
running fewest number of rushes and yards per game for
Lamar Jackson not opting to run nearly as much as
he has in the past. Derrick Henry solid season, one
hundred and forty eight yards rushing seven hundred and four
one hundred and forty eight rushes seven hundred and four yards,
four point eight to carry, six touchdowns, nine catches, fifty

(01:05:40):
five yards. He's been over seventy I think in four
straight but hasn't had hasn't been like a crazy year
for m last year, ever, six yards carry is run
completely wild. Zay Flowers is their leading receiver. He's got
fifty catches, six hundred and twenty five yards and a touchdown.
Nobody else on the team has even two hundred and
fifty yards receiving full stop Mark Andrews. He's got two
forty four and five touchdowns to lead the team in

(01:06:02):
receiving touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
But that's who they are. They're gonna line up.

Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
They'll be multiple two tight ends, three tight ends, two
tight ends in the full back, you know, and one
receiver out there. Bateman is hurt, so we'll see maybe
more DeAndre Hopkins, who's having actually a nice season. He's
got twelve catches, two hundred eight yards and two touchdowns,
averaging career high seventeen yards a catch in his thirteenth
season out of Clemson, So we'll be interesting kind of
how they approach that, what they do there. But you know,

(01:06:29):
we had a lot of success against Derrick Henry last time.
I would imagine they're gonna want to be more inclined
to get Derrick Henry going, and we'll see, certainly if
they are able to do so.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
Has he had one yet this year? That's like a
vintage Derrick Henry. I just was looking at Lamar's like
game by game. His best one was probably Buffalo in
the loss, like Lamar, was kind of a Lamar game
like fourteen to nineteen. Then he ran for another eighty.

Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
He had one sixty nine and two in the game
against Buffalo. He had one twenty two against the Rams.
He had one nineteen two weeks ago in the win
over Miami. But no, it hasn't been you know, he
had a stretch where he went twenty three against US,
fifty against UH Detroit, forty two against Kansas City, and
thirty three against Houston. But lately it's been one, twenty two,
seventy one, one, nineteen and seventy five.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
So he's been a little bit better of late.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
Yeah, now I'm reminded of this. He fumbled in the
first three games of the year. He fumbled in every
game after not fumbling hardly at.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
All, and has not fumbled since.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
Not fumbled since critical against Buffalo fumble and then critical
against Detroit. They lost both those games in partment got
in his head, yep, and it looks like it did
a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:07:34):
I think he's kind of he's he's settled out of
that now seems like it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
It seems like it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:40):
But yeah, good good matchup, I think, and certainly an
opportunity for the Browns defense again to you know, make
a little bit of a statement here and we'll see,
you know, ultimately, can you hold them down long enough.
Last time, they give up ten points in the first half,
seven of which came after a block punt deep in
our own territory. But then as the game went on,

(01:08:01):
it just kind of all unraveled and lamarn ed up
with the four touchdowns and toyed with the Browns a
little bit. So in this one, it's gonna you're gonna
need it to be, you know, you got to keep
it competitive. I think that helps our defense. Being at
home helps our defense as well. You know, you look
at the Browns home games you gave up seventeen to
the Bengals, you gave up thirt ten to the Packers,

(01:08:24):
and you gave up six to the Dolphins. So at home,
the Cleveland Browns have given up eleven points per GAMEZ.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
We've only played three home games. It's crazy, Yeah, it
really is.

Speaker 5 (01:08:35):
Here are the point totals in games Lamar has started
and completed this year for Baltimore forty in a lost
to Buffalo, forty one in a game over US thirty
against Detroit. He started the Kansas City game but did
not finish it. That's where he got hurt. He lost
thirty seven to twenty twenty eight against Miami, twenty seven
against Minnesota. So if you're gonna win defensively, they need

(01:08:58):
to be in the low twenties and they haven't been
anywhere in the vicinity of that. As long as he's
played and finished a game so far this season. We'll
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Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
All right, here we go, fantasy.

Speaker 6 (01:10:11):
You're getting close now, probably four weeks left in your
regular season. Used to be three back in the day,
Probably now four. Only two teams on a bye this week,
but important ones. Indianapolis. Anybody's got Jonathan Taylor saying, where's
he had? Danny Dimes? He's even down. Tyler Warren is down.
So there are some some players that are down this
week for you. Let's look at the quarterback way.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
CJ. Stroud out again.

Speaker 6 (01:10:35):
I saw that, Yeah, he wasn't probably getting much fantasy
concern anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Drake May.

Speaker 6 (01:10:44):
I mean, it's basically you're going with your guys right now,
but if you're looking for kind of guys that you
can get into your lineup, Flacco obviously still while he's starting,
Kleb Williams is becoming a very good fantasy quarterback. Mac
Jones or brock Perty whoever starts for the forty nine
ers Mariota in Miami into a tongue of I looa
in that same game as well, and I think Rogers
against since he should be able to have some pretty

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decent stats for you running backs, you want to monitor
what's going on. What's happening with Woody Marks against Tennessee.
I think he is a start. And then on the
other side of things, what's going on with r J.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Harvey?

Speaker 6 (01:11:20):
Is he really going to get to be the guy now?
Because is Dobbin's on irs? He just not practicing anyone
anyone anyone does anyone know the effects something oodoo economics?

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
But r J.

Speaker 6 (01:11:31):
Harvey's got an opportunity. Travion Tonight absolute must play. It's
it's you know the guys who I think Jalen Warren's
in for a nice game. Against Cincinnati's defense. I think
anybody plays against Cincinnati's defense. Yep, here's one kind of
deep if you like don't have Jonathan Taylor, you know
Mari Demurcado. If he's on the waiver wire, happy grab him.
And then Tyler Algier. They've just kind of decided. In Atlanta,
he's the goal line back. Yeah, and he gets about

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ten carries a game. They're playing Carolina, so I think
he's got a good chance to kind of be He's
touchdown dependent completely, but maybe to give you something there
wide receiver, obviously, it's everybody that you expect to be there.
Hopefully DK Metcalfe and going. Juwan Jennings is starting to
play a bigger role. I think Mac Collins tonight has
an opportunity. He's had some nice games the last couple

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of weeks. Tess Johnson has become started to become a
favorite for Baker Mayfield with all their wide receiver injuries
down there. Tes Johnson is one of those guys that, man,
I I just am surprised how late he lasted in
the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
Oregon right, Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
He's got some skills and would have been nice maybe
to pair him here. I think you went like the
fifth round. I want to say it's late fifth or sixth.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
I thought, look at that, look at you commanding the
attention of a room. That's got to be it's got
to be the golf golf outing or the golf outing.
I think, well, you're not in the golf outing shirt,
so that maybe it's training camp.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
I got papers as a couple of times.

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
Teded Johnson's seventh round to seventh round pick. Yeah, he's strange,
very strange.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Tight ends.

Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
If you're looking to replace Warren, for example, this week,
Ronde Gadson's going to go cad Atton is I think
with Tampa a nice kind of pick up and play
for you. Our guys fan in Nadjoku Najok, who's been
getting in the end zone of late Dalton Schultz against Tennessee,
Colston Lovelin's starting to play a little bit of a
bigger role. Friarmuth had a big game last time against

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the Bengals. And then defensively, I'm sure you've already kind
of made these moves, but I really like the Texans
defense against Tennessee is probably the best defense this week.
Patriots against the Jets tonight would be another one that
would be up there for you. And then I think
Falcons against Carolina is a nice little one. Also Chargers
of Jacks. Charger has been playing very good defense.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
So there you go.

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We got an official injury reports are out by the
way right now for the Browns. I'm not hold up
on it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:46):
This is not a that is not a format that
is iPhone friendly. No, it's it's not all right for
the Browns today. Jerome Baker Limited with an achilles Joel
Buttonio not injured later rest is now full today, Isaiah
Bond Limited Limited with a foot. Jack Conklin went from
not practicing to limited with a not injury related rest.
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related rest limited to full, Cornelia Slukus back limited to full,
David Djoku not injury related, rest limited to full, Carson
Sweessinger's shoulder limited limited, She's Ceder Tillman glute limited limited,
Denzel Ward not injury related rest limited to full. Alex
Wright did not practice for the second straight day. For
the Ravens, were Shod Bateman back to back d NPS.

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This is an interesting one to keep an eye on.
Their one of their best pass rushers, their second round pick,
Mike Green, added to the injury report today with an ankle.
He was limited, so we'll see. If he doesn't practice tomorrow,
that might mean he is not able to go. Their
linebacker Higgins Jay Higgins, the rookie who is likely out anyway,
did not practice with the knee. Running back Justice Hill

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DNP DMP with a toe. Marlon Humphrey we know is
out with the finger injury. Lamar Jackson practiced in full
today after not practicing. So what they just should have
put is now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
And related rest. Yeah, they should put that.

Speaker 6 (01:17:02):
Isaiah likely went from limited to full, Keaton Mitchell limited
to full, and Malachi Starts limited to full for the Ravens.

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Be careful given yep, not gonna go down that road.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
By the way, I just want to say.

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
Bernie posted another video an hour ago, said stepping out
of surgery with hope and resilience. Appreciate your support. Our
community is so strong. We love you, Bernie buddy. Hopefully
that is good news.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
Amen, Cleveland fan in Chicago. When will we get what
the people want and a cage match, no rules, gibbe z,
throwdown on the hardwood, give us what the people are
more importantly, what the burners want. Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Let's be honest.

Speaker 6 (01:17:55):
I know a second one of us are trying to
professional wrestler.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
Who is I think he's started undefeated?

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
He said the hardwood. I heard a cage match.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Yeah, he said cage match and hardwood.

Speaker 5 (01:18:07):
A cage match with no rules, throw down on the hardwood.

Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
I don't know. I think he's calling it a cage
match on a basketball court. Unprecedented, a new stipulation.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
Yeah, not a lot of bounce.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
No, there's a lot of bounce in that ring. Let
me tell you that's soft, dude, Those ropes are soft.
It's easy, easy, peasy.

Speaker 6 (01:18:26):
I think off season, we have a new off season show.
So we're going to go to the ring and you're
gonna bump and then we'll see how you feel about it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
I'm good, that's fine. You eight No, no, no, we
don't have to do anything that your comeback starts in
just eight weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
Oh, he's going to be here before you know it. Yeah,
you had to do it for the for young Luca,
but comeback the greatness of you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Be beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
Oh boy?

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Yeah, getting the body ready, Yeah, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
Elizabeth me Jason Tarbor interview should be a weekly thing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
Agreed, agreed. We love him, We love it.

Speaker 6 (01:19:09):
And what we're gonna do now is we're gonna begin
referring to him as Dennis Eckersley. And what we'll do
is I will sit down with Tarv. We will go
and at the end of it, I will say, that'll
do it for Cleveland Browns Daily, We'll see you next week.
And then that's how we're gonna do. That's gonna be

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next week.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
We'll see you next week. We'll see tomorrow tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
On a Thursday. We'll see you next week.

Speaker 6 (01:19:37):
We'll see tomorrow, We'll see tomorrow, We'll see tomorrow. But
I'll just sit down with Tarbor. It'll just be called
maybe it's like tea time with tarv and we'll just
sit down there and tea time could mean golf, it
could mean tea an.

Speaker 5 (01:19:49):
Wow, this is some pretty interesting news in the Major
League Soccer world. Did you see this story? And of
course we uh we as in we the Hasli, the
Crew Sports Group owns the owns, the Columbus Crew, and
MLS owners have officially voted to flip to a fall
to spring season, aligning with the top leagues around the world.

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The league will begin the new play in the new
format in twenty twenty seven. So instead of playing in
the summer where they counter program the NFL and all
of the other sports in this country that happen in
the winter, they're not going to go head to head
with it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
You're gonna have some major issues with weather.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
Yeah, And I would think you'd want to study the
Bundesliga model, which is probably the most similar climate where
they play in this calendar. And if memory serves, the
Hoff could correct me on this, because I think he
lived over there while it was going on. The Bundesliga
does take a big winter break, like several weeks in
December and January.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Are they used to?

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
I don't know if they still do, but that would
be because you're talking about New England, the two New York's, Chicago,
Columbus Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
Places that get substantial cold.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
And really cold.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
I know they have heated fields and all of that,
but just really, really you gotta have you got to
have people that want to.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Sit in there.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
Yeah, obviously they feel like the league's come far enough
that they can give it a shot, and it would
It is a pain in the neck for them to
go opposite the rest of the world, just in terms
of international all of that stuff that happens in the summer.
You know, they're so I understand the idea of trying

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to do it. I just think like the scheduling is
going to have to be creative with all the northern teams.

Speaker 6 (01:21:29):
I don't know enough about it, but what does were
they hoping when they went opposite.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
That that would get like.

Speaker 6 (01:21:36):
Casual fans, or that it would get premier league teams
and stuff to loan their players out kind of in
the off seas, like young players to get a more experience.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Is that what they were hoping for?

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
No, No, I think they just were hoping for to
grab a hold of American eyeballs in a time where
it's less competitive.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
Is this I was going to say, Is this have
to do with maybe a pending TV deal.

Speaker 5 (01:21:57):
They have a deal with Apple right now, So when's
this he's going to start? It would be just it
would mirror like the European leagues, like it would be
fall through spring, so it would be over by like
the Premier League starts in August and ends like around
Memorial Day, and.

Speaker 9 (01:22:11):
If you're abouts, go ahead v with the international breaks
as well, like they want all of that to time.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Up and line.

Speaker 9 (01:22:18):
Today it was announced that Apple you won't have to
have a separate subscription on Apple Plus to get them.
But what made it difficult for even the casual find
fan to get them is you had to have Apple
Plus and then get the MLS package on Apple Plus,
so oh on it. So they're making a little easier
if you're an Apple Plus subscriber, but you still have
to sub You still have to subscribe.

Speaker 7 (01:22:39):
To that to get mlskings.

Speaker 9 (01:22:40):
But should make it more open. But if you go
to this model, then yeah, there's competition and whether that's
going to make it difficult.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
Yeah, they're going to try to just they obviously feel
like they have enough fans. Now, I mean, the league's
been around since the mid nineties, I think ninety six,
so it's been around a long time and they've got
built in fans who feel they obviously you feel very comfortable.
They go head to head with the NFL and college
football and basketball and NHL and everything else, so.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
With the rest of the world.

Speaker 9 (01:23:10):
You were right about the Budhusligo break as well.

Speaker 5 (01:23:12):
That's still Yeah, that's what I thought. It's yeah, it's
six several weeks in December weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Yes, yeah, that's what I thought.

Speaker 6 (01:23:18):
So they're going to be starting in the NFL season,
Oh yeah, yeah, you're going to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Be starting You're going up against the Buckeyes.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
Well in a town like yeah, I mean they yeah,
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
I mean, they're usually the playoffs are during that time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Yeah, that's no, you can't you have.

Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
I guess what they're banking, John is Yeah, my guess
is they're banking that they have enough fans that they
don't need the casual fans as much as they used
to thirty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
That's what they're banking one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
We'll get some clarity. Yeah, uh love a dog today.
What snack do you find hard to stop eating once
you get started?

Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
Barbecue? Sunflower seeds? I love them on a road trip.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
Interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
I like them in like lacrosse season, and if I
crack a bag of them, they'll sometimes disappear.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
Makes it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
It makes a time go, like if you're It makes
how I feel about anything I buy in the airport,
if it's a bag of combos, like you can only
buy like right the bag? It is shareable, right, I
think share with myself. I'll be gone halfway through the
flight because I'm bored.

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
So I don't know if this would count as a snack.
But the one thing that I would say that I
snack on the most regularly.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
I don't really eat a lot of snacks.

Speaker 6 (01:24:40):
Is shrimp cocktail with almost cocktail sauce and a little
truff mixed in.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Still like, yeah, that's definitely not a snack kind of
Why is it not a snake bogie? That's quite boogie?

Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Is that stuff? Seventy seven sounds a pound. Please, that
shrimp you're getting.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (01:24:59):
No, I don't think it is either nineteen other places
for that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
Why is that bougie? It's getting some protein.

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
I was fine with it till you threw in the truck.
That's when it got bougie.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
That's not bougie. I think up until that point it
was fine. Shrimp cocktail fun. So let's say a bottle
of truff.

Speaker 5 (01:25:18):
Okay, yeah, that's where you're playing around.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
Why can't I elevate it? Why can't I? Why I can?

Speaker 5 (01:25:23):
Why can't I elevate My snack? No longer becomes a snack
at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Oh it's a snack. Yeah, that's an that's an opera
teeth almost.

Speaker 6 (01:25:30):
I would say, if it's fourteen bucks for a bottle
of the black Truff, which it is, I probably get.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Forty uses out of it.

Speaker 6 (01:25:40):
So now we're talking about something that is like a
thirty cent enhancement.

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
What's the price per shrimp on that wild cat?

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
I don't like that. I don't like those ones. For
some reason of late, I've gone with uh, you know,
with the other farms.

Speaker 6 (01:25:53):
Yeah, and there it's it's a it's a at a
nineteen nd sometimes get from the also from the from
a many of different markets that are wonderful and delight great,
many markets that have them.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
You chips and salsa.

Speaker 5 (01:26:08):
I think that's more in the line of what I think.

Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
That's a snap a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Yeah, but then you complain about my designer sauces.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
No, I won't, absolutely not.

Speaker 5 (01:26:18):
I do every I mean that, But there's no designer
salsa anyway, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
A designer sauce. I got a Chipotle salsa. Knock your
socks off. I'm sure it is. I'm sure it's a delight,
but i'd a delight.

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
Yeah, it's gonna run a little bit more than a
paste pecante, that's probably true. Yeah, and I like my
guak freshly made. There you go, there, you go, Well,
Clantro time.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
But what's one place you visited that you never want
to return? To?

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Indiana?

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
February? Now you're corporate Bow, Now you're there all week?

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
What a joy? I really can't stand Indiana. I really can't.
I like the Hoosiers gym, I like st Elmo's for dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Yeah, and that's it. That's the list.

Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
There's absolutely nothing I want to do in Indiana.

Speaker 6 (01:27:03):
We bird, We bird around downtown.

Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
That's more about that's more about the tomfoolery and the
brotherhood than it is about I mean, we could bird
around downtown Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
We'd have the same amount of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
Yeah, I'm trying to think the luth Minnesota. You can
sell it to Canada tomorrow and I'm fine.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
How did you end up there?

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
Family friends, They moved there. My mother and father thought
it was a great summer vacation, except like in the summer,
doesn't get hotter than like fifty three degrees. No, it's awful.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
And the mosquitos of Minnesota the size of B fifty
two's that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:27:38):
Yeah, I don't need to go back to whatever that
town I was in where we were in the emergency
room and miss case appendix was about to burst.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
In the middle of nowhere. Georgia Deliverance.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
Yeah, what's something that's not illegal that feels illegal?

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
I don't know if we want next question?

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Yeah, we're all corporate bo what's the funniest song you
know all the lyrics to.

Speaker 5 (01:28:03):
There's a cover of Gin and Juice that some jam
band made that we played on a loop in college
that I could still do with the twang right now,
zipping on gan and juice.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Yeah, that one laid.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
Bag with a mind of money and the money of
my mind.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Yeah, I know that's I still have that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:23):
I think everybody our age did. I don't know that there.
When you first discovered that song, it just defied all
logic and joy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
Oh it was great. I thought it was so fun.
It was so fun.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
Yeah, got back.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
My answer is going to be.

Speaker 6 (01:28:40):
A song called nineteen eighty five by Bo Burnham. What
a job out of you my dad in nineteen eighty five.
It's a great song. Hi, big recommendation. I don't think
we can play it on the air though, probably not.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
All right, that's today's mail back there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Kids, that's it. I had a lot of them in there.
Get Why don't we go ahead for three more minutes?

Speaker 7 (01:29:01):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
Yeah, why don't we you go three more minutes?

Speaker 8 (01:29:03):
Here?

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Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
Think you're throwing me another curveball about something like that?

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
I was going to What am I doing now?

Speaker 5 (01:30:08):
Corporate bow? All right, you're ready? We got Thursday Night.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
We do Thursday Night. Since the Nor'eastern uniforms the Pats,
they've won seven in a row. I'm sure Gronk will
be a part of this. Oh yeah, Patriots hosting the
New York Football Jets, who lucked out in a win
over US on Sunday, a girl.

Speaker 5 (01:30:26):
I can't believe that nobody circles the wagons.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
Look, the bottom line is this, like the Jets.

Speaker 6 (01:30:34):
They didn't even need the forward pass get a week ago,
and now we're just asking them to stay within two touchdowns.
Come on, please, it's too easy. They may went out
right too easy. They may It doesn't matter for our purposes.
They may may, may may not, or may may on.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
A Thursday, you never know.

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
It's all in play, kids, It's all in play, all right. Enjoy,
Enjoy you guys.

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Enjoy that. I can't wait for tonight, so I'm excited.
I can't believe you'll be there before you know it.
Let's go.

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